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Good morning, millennials.
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Welcome back to the toast. Happy 2025. Happy season eight. Welcome back. We are back after what felt like, for me, an extremely brief break, but for others, apparently felt endless.
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A
It did feel really long. It just feels so unfamiliar to be sitting here. Like, I forgot my routine. I forgot the way that things go. But welcome back, everyone. Welcome to the new year. Welcome to 2025. I literally, like, welcome to season eight.
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B
I locked myself out of the apartment. I locked myself out of the apartment. Like, that's how disoriented I was. I was like, making a TikTok. I forgot my jewelry. I'm not. Me and Ben are not struggling yet. I just forgot my jewelry because I'm so disoriented. Like, getting back into a routine workflow.
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A
No, I'm also really nervous because this studio has seen a lot of people in the last three weeks, a lot of different setups, and so I'm hoping everything is parge.
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B
Just keep your eye on all your materials throughout the show.
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A
Keeping my eye on my materials for sure. And the last person in here was Ben.
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B
You know what's so good, though? Like, while that's obviously horrible, nobody wants to ever be in a place that Ben has last been in, be it a studio, a bathroom, whatever. Just know, like, if things go wrong, which would be the worst thing ever, we have someone to blame.
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A
Scapegoat.
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B
But wait, you just reminded me of something.
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A
It's not a scapegoat if he did that shit right.
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B
No, that's just.
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A
It's just like the accountability.
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B
The offender. Wait, fuck. You know, I'm really. I'm having a lot of bad, like, memory stuff. What were you saying two seconds ago?
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A
Welcome to 2025. Welcome to season eight. New year, new us, same swirlies. Maybe we could hit that heart in the new year. Probably get it. Probably not.
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B
At the end of last year, I tried really, really hard to line up our summer, I mean, our winter break with like the new year and my new studio. Obviously, I'm still in the same old studio, but I signed a lease, so it'll be a couple of weeks. I know everyone been waiting with bated breath to see what will she do. And don't worry, Turdi found a studio on her block. Like, I can' Deal like in my current state with, like, walking multiple blocks.
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A
Also, you can't deal with the current state and the congestion.
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B
You know, I didn't know if I wanted to talk about the congestion tax today because it actually consumes.
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A
You don't want to start the new year off on a negative note. But the governor decided to. Yeah.
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B
And. And I consumed my whole evening. And Ben actually turned to me. He's like, you are really stressing out. I kept, like, finding out facts about this new congestion tax in New York.
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A
I just want. This is how it starts. Dirty local office. Mayor Turdi. I see it.
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B
You know what? Like, I'm just now sort of waiting.
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A
Take back our city.
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B
I'm waiting for, like, the documentary, whatever it is. Like, I know that there's so much nefarious behavior going on at the mta. The MTA is giving. And I was talking to Shannon about this this morning, because she spends a lot of time in London, where the congestion tax.
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A
You know what it's giving? It's giving Tammany Hall.
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B
What's that? I'm only familiar with Tamman Hall, I'm.
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A
Only familiar with Tamara Judge, and I'm.
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B
Only familiar with Aaron.
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A
But Tammany hall is actually, like, a big New York historical story of serious corruption.
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B
Yeah.
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In the New York government ever. Boss Tweed and Tammany you never heard of. No, but I'm telling you, never heard of Boss Tweed.
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B
Never in my life. I know Bo Didle.
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A
Boss Tweed does not pass muster. That's what you need to know.
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B
So actually, I have to go to the doctor today, and I will be. I will be paying the congestion to tax to go to the doctor. Is that crazy?
- [03:29]
A
Wow. No, that's so crazy. To go to the doctor.
- [03:31]
B
Yeah. And, like, I keep. I've sort of decided to take this on as my platform, and I want to be clear because mostly everyone agrees with me, and it's nice to, like, you know, not have a controversial take for once.
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A
It's giving bipartisan.
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B
And I just want to say, like, I come from a place of privilege. Like, when I take this, like, tax today, whether it's peak hours off, peak hours, like, I will survive, like, I can take the hit financially. People who are commuting every single day, like, actually can't. It's making a significant debt in their, like, salary, and it's not being covered by their jobs, whether they're traveling. Imagine traveling into the city to be a cop, to be a police officer, to be a fucking nurse or a doctor in a hospital, to be a teacher, to teach these kids. And you have to pay to go to work. Like, what is this? I can't get.
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A
For people who. So for people who don't live in the city, though, I just want to, like, explain what it is, because I don't live in the city. And you explain. Let me, let me. Because everyone's saying congestion tax. Congestion tax. Like, what does that practically mean? How do you get charged when you get charged. Oh, and what do you get charged?
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B
So all across New York and they've been putting these cameras in for a couple of years and everybody, they got sued. They spent $500 million putting in cameras all across 60th street and 60th Street. Kind of like delineates, like uptown versus downtown, you know, roughly. And now anytime you drive through the city and you cross 60th street, you will get charged the congestion tax and the camera will take a little picture of your Easy Pass. And if you don't have one, they'll send you a letter in the mail and charge you more because you don't have an Easy Pass. Even though the Easy Pass is owned by the Port Authority of New York. Yeah, I was looking into like, I'm like, wow, they're hyping up Easy Pass. If. I wonder if it's a privately owned company. No, it's not like they make money from Easy Pass and then they make money when you don't use Easy Pass.
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A
Right. So now it's like it's law that you have to have Easy Pass or else you get charged more.
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B
By the way, to be clear, it's. It is that way in most states. People were DMing me, like in Atlanta, if you don't have a peach pass, I think it's that way in New Jersey. A sun. I mean, in Florida in a sun pass. It's wrong. Like, it's classist to exclude people, first of all. And it's also, it's ageist. Do you know how hard it was for me to set up my Easy Pass? And I'm so technologically savvy.
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A
It's also jacksist. I don't have a sun pass.
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B
Well, you don't leave like your neighborhood, but fair, right?
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A
But like, so just because if I want to travel, if I want to go to Disney, I should pay more for the road.
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B
When I think about, like someone's grandmother trying to set up an Easy Pass, I want to cry. The website was so. It looks like Kindle, you know, like black and white and so old school and slow. It was hard for me. And by the way, I set it up wrong the first time.
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A
So that, that's just like, that's so wrong. Like, we talk about the tax all day, but to be charged more because you don't have the Easy Pass, which you have to Pay for and which you might not need other than this one. That's insane. But go on.
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B
So anytime you cross 60th street, depending on the time of day and what type of vehicle you're in, if you're a truck, you get charged more. Regular citizens get charged $9. Motorcycles do not get charged, which I think is really crazy. And it's all in an attempt to decrease congestion, which is a platform I'm all for, you know, the city. It's impossible to get around the city. There are so many, like, poor. What are those people called who like build cities? Like civil planners.
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City planners.
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Like whoever built this would plan this city. Like is dumb. Like it's really. There's so many things that you drive around, it's enraging. Right? Like the double parked cars. The, like the pedestrian.
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A
That's not the people who built this city. The people who built the city are actually very smart. It's the people. The. This little pedestrian squares in the middle of time center. By the way, Claudia, like, you're at the point in your life, and it was my point to when I was pregnant, that you have to watch Ken Burns New York. You have to okay for what you're talking about. And you actually need to see how brilliantly the city was planned in order to really appreciate how downhill things have gone. It's time.
- [06:52]
B
So it has been years since they actually installed those cameras and spent the $500 million. But there was so much pushback, apparently, like the Uber and Lyft lobbies lobbied for this. I don't know why they would want to charge their drivers more, but there was a lot of like, legalities. And actually as of yesterday, it officially went into effect. Everybody's talking about it in New York because kind of crazy. It's. It's an attempt to decrease congestion, which is obviously a good thing. But what it really is, upon my research last night, it is like a fundraising technique for the MTA. The MTA apparently needs like $10 billion to do what they need to do. That is, you know, to clean the air and, you know, repairs and fix everything. They say that ridership is down because of COVID and so is there budget for the crime.
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A
Wouldn't that go to the nypd?
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B
Right. So all of this is like a fundraising campaign. That's what this tax is for. And people.
- [07:50]
A
And then also would encourage people to use the mta.
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B
Right.
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A
Because they don't want to pay the congestion.
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B
So to make it more. It all goes back to drive to.
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The MTA to make it more expensive to drive.
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B
They're really trying to encourage people to use mass transit, which New York is such a mass transit city. The fact that they're experiencing such lulls in mass transit usage. Usage really speaks to how inefficient and unsafe the mass transit is. And it's just like the crazy timing of it all. Because in the last month, there has been. I mean, it's all over my tik tok. Everybody's talking about the crimes on the subway, people just getting stabbed, that woman who was burned alive. Like, it's so horrible. And it's. Now I feel like it's having such a big topic of conversation because it's really. For years, the subway has been, like, a really unsafe place, mostly for women. And now it's happening to everyone. You know, a man was pushed on the tracks, and the whole thing was caught on video. A man was stabbed. I saw a picture of his, like, big bloody arm. So it's happening to everyone. So now everyone's paying attention. And the timing for the congestion tax is like, wow, so many people are now opting who really can't afford it. They're opting not to take the subway. And you are implementing attacks that forces us back into these unsafe conditions.
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A
Right?
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B
So the timing is just so bad. Also, like, they needed 10.
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A
They need $10 billion, but they spent 500 million on cameras. How much did Uber and Lyft.
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B
I don't know.
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Campaign.
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B
But the budget. So then I started looking into the mta. I'm like, the MTA needs money. It's like, okay, broke. Who knew?
- [09:10]
A
Like, also, like, your taxes, right? Your story made me laugh. Like, get a job.
- [09:13]
B
So then I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, well, who funds the mta? I'm pretty sure it's like, taxpayer dollars, right?
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A
Plus the fares, like, they charge.
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B
So the MTA makes money from our taxes. They have federal funding.
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A
Okay.
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B
And you have to pay to get on a bus or a subway. And I know a lot of people, like, hop the turnstiles and stuff and that, like, it's claims to, like, make a huge deficit. One thing you're not going to catch me caring about is people hopping the turnstiles on the subway. Like, seriously, get a life.
- [09:38]
A
No, it's like, too many people are hopping the turnstiles. That's making it unprofitable. Make maybe fix that problem. Don't charge the people who are paying more.
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B
Not only that, like, for a taxpayer to pay for this, like, the subway should be free. We're Already paying for it. It's taxpayer funded. So the fact that like they have all these streams of revenue and they can't figure out how to operate in a positive. Jackie, their budget in 2024 was almost $20 billion. What is 10 more going to do? You obviously don't know how to manage a budget. That's your problem. Stop taxing us. Like, leave us alone. And also, when you really think about it, I was reading like so much like sort of like intellectual think pieces about this on Twitter last night. A congestion tax is really like a way of creating affluent zones, right? Because it's a way to keep desirable neighborhoods, in this case Manhattan, limited to people who live in outer boroughs. It's a way to keep really poor people out. And it's disgraceful and it's so wrong. And people keep comparing to London right there. They implemented in London. It was like a really big deal. It was really controversial. But the main difference in London is that London and Europe in general where they do this, they have like the most sophisticated public transit systems in the world. They are clean, they are safe, they are efficient, they are fast. Like, people love the Tube. The Tube, the Tube. Like everybody's taking the fucking tube. Okay, give us that. Maybe we wouldn't complain. Like, it wouldn't be a big deal. Also, they take a lot of other measures in Europe, especially London. Shannon was telling me about this, and I remember hearing about this, I think when I was in Rome a couple years ago, I was like, that's so smart because the roads are so tiny. I'm like, how do they get like big trucks in here? Like, how do they deliver to the Duane Reade in the pharmacy? And those big trucks that make huge deliveries are only allowed within like the city center, certain hours of night. Like, I think it's like midnight to 6am they're only allowed to make their deliveries. And that's helped obviously decrease a lot of congestion because in the city, like there are 18 wheelers on every block. They double park, they take up multiple lanes. Like it causes a lot of congestion, but you have to allow for it because that's how restaurants get their food. That's how, you know, stores get their stock. And so they're taking like a lot of measures in London and it's still considered really controversial. And I don't think it has actually made a huge difference except that it keeps people who can't afford to live in the city. It keeps them out. And that's wrong. Like, that's all that's New York Melting pot. It's for everyone. Like, it's wrong.
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A
No, on all counts, it's so wrong. I think it's something that everyone can unite around.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I guess the. On the opposite side, easing congestion and that's what they're trying to do would be a good thing. Sure. They also have, like, environmental concerns are in that column as well.
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B
Yes. So it's all about clean air and helping, you know, fix the air quality in New York, which is also something I'm super down for. But like, in terms of the list of priorities, like people making a living, going to and from work like that, to me, like, to worry about just air quality is such a privilege for that to be your only priority and be like, the reason you do all this, you inconvenience millions of people. And like, I don't know, that's just like, that's comes from like a really privileged point of view, I think, like to exclusively care about air quality and to inconvenience so many hard working people for that. Like, yeah, in an ideal world, we would all have clean air everywhere, all the time.
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A
No. And also, how would you go is like, fix the subway, fix the mta, and then try and push people to take it more. Because also, like, say they get their $10 billion, like, it's not going to get better. They always say whenever this happens, it will be better. Like, and it's never. It only keeps getting worse. And the people who are in charge, who are making these rules, like, have proven themselves to be bad at their job.
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B
And it's important to remember it's a mayoral, mayoral, mayoral race. Elected mayor.
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A
I thought it was the governor.
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B
It's both. It's really Kathy, the governor, she's like, all about this cath, Cath. And she just like posted a picture of herself on the subway being like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. This shit is safe. I'm like, okay, but shut up. Like, literally shut up. So just elected officials, like, I know we all were just coming off of a presidential one, so obviously it's a huge concern. But like local, state, and also like.
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A
The city is kind of its own entity.
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B
So. Yeah, it's also just kind of like lawlessness out here. Like, it's really crazy.
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A
It's a crazy place and a crazy time.
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B
But I'm so happy to be home. Like, let me tell you, New York, like, I'm always railing on New York. Like, it sucks. When I got home on Saturday, I was like, I literally felt like a girl in A movie. Like, window down. I'm crossing the bridge. Like, I see the skyline, and I'm like, home. I'm going home.
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A
Like, you're that girl on Instagram that we were talking that I. We were looking at her video who makes those. She pretends to be the girl in a movie. Delaney.
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B
We love Delaney. No, I'm literally girl in a movie in the back of a cab, like, going to the big city. I love it. I wish I didn't love it here so much, because every. When I went on my rant last night about the congestion tax, everybody's like.
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A
Florida, you need to run for local office.
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B
You know, Ben's dream is to run for local office in New York. Specifically, mayor. He's, like, actually asked me really seriously, like, over the course of the years, like, if he could run, and I said no. Like, you know, elections, they just destroy families. They dig up old dirt. Like, oh, my. Could we have more, like, to hide if we could? Like, I'm just not interested in that sort of life. And he, like, gets mad at me every time we talk about it.
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A
Well, the thing is, I feel like if he's serious, like, have him start with as a local council. Like, you don't just become mayor because you decide. So, like, do the.
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B
I don't know. It feels like everybody who's mayor just, like, decides one day to become mayor.
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A
Yes. And they have, like, yeah, like, Eric.
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B
Adams comes from law enforcement.
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A
Was a cop.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm like, Bloomberg totally just decided to be mayor one day.
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Business. But he had a business track record. And then if you run the city, like, a business. Hey, that's, like, a good angle.
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B
Look at the books. They do.
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A
Well, now, let's. Where did de Blasio come from? Where's that experience?
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B
Literally, like, he came from the sewer. Like, I don't know.
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A
He's been, like, forgotten. And I just feel like that's wrong.
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B
Us to build a Blasio. Us to build a Blasio. I want to forgive you, and I want to forget you.
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A
I know, but I just feel like for our peace, like, you have to move on.
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B
That's why, like, everybody hates on Eric Adams. And he's definitely, like, super problematic. Like, one of our worst mayors yet. Having said that, it was.
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A
You don't know where we've been.
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B
Best thing to happen to Eric Adams was coming into office after Bill de Blasio. Like, like, there has never been a politician more disliked. I never met one person, like, regardless of political affiliation, I've Never met one person who thought he did a good job with.
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A
I've never seen one de Blasio glowing review. Not one.
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B
Yeah. And remember when he then tried to run for president? Like, tell me you don't have your finger on the pulse without telling me.
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A
Oh, turdy. 2025 is so political already.
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B
I know. Also, major update in my life that I cannot wait to share with everyone. You might have noticed already I have a new laugh now. I didn't know this was a pregnancy symptom. And while I was at your house, what was I doing the whole time? Laughing. We're hilarious. I was giggling and I started to realize. I was like, oh, my God, I have a new laugh and I love it. And I was just like, oh, I must be maturing. I didn't know it was affiliated with pregnancy. And it wasn't until like, a week with my new laugh that I just mentioned it to you and you were like, yeah, that's like fully a pregnancy thing. And I have to say, I hope it doesn't go back. I hope my laugh never goes back. I was never in love with my laugh.
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A
I think it does go back, but maybe, like, your muscles have remembered because I feel like my life changed when I was pregnant and I feel like I have nodes of.
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B
Of the other pregnancy. Yeah. Yeah.
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A
It was, like, deeper and heartier and it's like, the thing is, I couldn't breathe. So, yeah, it was like. Also my. I'm a little bit lost my voice. I have a raspy voice today, so I will sing Sticky Shoes later. So if my laugh is, like, deep and hearty today, enjoy it.
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B
No, my new laugh reminds me so much. I don't know if you've noticed, like, whose laugh it sounds like.
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A
You told me that it sounds like Olivia, but I wouldn't have noticed that otherwise.
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B
No, it sounds just like our sister Olivia's laugh. And she had such a great laugh. Like, I actually remember when I was on tour, every show she would come to you and I would be able to, like, hear her laugh.
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A
She's a cackle.
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B
It's a cackle. It's a cackle. And I think that my new laugh is like a true cackle and it's a little bit more high pitched and I love it. I cannot wait for you guys to hear it. You're just. You're going to love it.
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A
That's so funny because mine was such a low register. Hello. I had a low laugh.
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B
Very Santa Claus Energy.
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A
Yeah. 100.
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B
Anything else we need to catch up on before we dive in the stories.
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A
By the way, so many things.
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B
So for those just curious about the order of things, the stories are obviously not everything that happened like yesterday, the last couple of weeks. There are stories we haven't covered on Patreon. We did do like a big update when Blake Lively sued just or filed the complaint against Justin Baldoni. And so that has been covered. But there's been a big update in the Baldoni story, of course, the Golden Globes, Paige and Craig. So we're going to be covering the last couple of weeks of big stories that weren't covered on the Patreon.
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A
Yeah, it's been like a week. Even though time is just a contract, really at this point. We did both watch the Golden Globes last night. Usually that'd be first story, but it's actually going to be third because, like, not everyone watch. And we need to talk about, like, Paige and Craig first and foremost.
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B
Like, I don't even know how long today's episode is going to be. I'm going to say two hours.
- [18:25]
A
Listen, I've got 128 gigs on the Curd.
- [18:28]
B
I'm totally fine. My doctor's appointment is until later. Like, I literally have nowhere to be but this chair on my, like on my coccydinia pillow. Speaking of my coccydinia pillow, we need to talk about Secret Santa, which is something we've started to do within our family since last year. So it's like the second year. And last year famously Ben up so badly when he got Margotre and he bought her a cameo, which is just like the worst gift ever. And he actually bought her a cameo. He must have, like, gotten confused. He bought her a cameo from Frank Catania. And when it came on the tv, she had no idea who it was.
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A
That was like, she doesn't watch Real Houses of New Jersey. Never has. And not only is it not like Teresa, I think she would recognize Theresa Giudice, but like someone's ex husband. She had no idea who this man was who's talking to her, telling her how wonderful she is.
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B
And like last year, it wasn't even last year. I would say like 18 months ago, Jackie went through like an obsession with Frank and Tanya. And by December of last year, like, the obsession was over. So when he thought when he got it for me, it was a bad gift anyway.
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A
And I do love him. Even if he got it for me, like, I wouldn't have been happy. Everyone else got, like, tangible, thoughtful gifts.
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B
Custom mugs, like, so sweet Etsy Vibes Right.
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A
So we do need to talk about this year, who Ben got. I actually got Ben.
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B
Yeah, what you got.
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A
And he did. He didn't open his gift, and he left it at my house. Oh, my God.
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B
Yeah. That's so rude.
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A
I kind of. It was hard because some people were traveling and some people were local, so I knew that, like, he might not take it home with him, which I didn't expect him to. So I was like, what's something that if he leaves here, I wouldn't mind having, but he can use while he's here?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it was a. It was like a little putting green.
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B
So cute.
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A
So cute. But now I'll just use it with the boys.
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B
Yeah, no, it's a kid's toy now. And I think there was a lot of anticipation within the family, but also within the toast community because you guys died. When we told you that Frank Itania story about, like, how Ben would make up for it this year, who was getting Ben? And I actually thought that Ben got me. And I was right because he was being so serious about it. Like, I remember last year, I kept having to remind him, like, by the way, don't forget before we leave for Utah to get your Secret Santa. And he was just, like, so, like, relaxed about it. Like, Like, I. I want him to forget. And honestly, I wish he had forgotten. That's how bad it was. So this year, he was so taking it so seriously. I was like, I gotta get my Secret Santa gift. He was like, I already got mine. I was like, oh. So then I realized, why would he be being so serious? I'm totally the person he got. And I was right. And he didn't want to, like, gossip about, like, who we thought other people had. And I was like, okay, that's lame of you. Like, you totally have me now. Let me tell you what he got me. He got me a coccydinia pillow, which sucks. First of all, who wants to get, like, a medical device for Secret Santa, let alone a medical device? I already have three of One in the car, one in the makeup chair, and one that I'm sitting on right now. And he was like, well, this one's better. I did a lot of research. It's like the.
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A
The Rolls Royce. Yeah.
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B
He said it's the Rolls Royce of coccidinia pillows. And I'm like, you couldn't have just gotten this for me like, a couple of weeks ago when you like that? I could have used it. You've just been sitting on. Literally.
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A
What's worse, what's worse. The fact that he got you like such a lackluster gift or like it's something I could have helped you and he didn't give it to you sooner.
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B
Like a life saving device. And honestly I sat on it like it wasn't that great. I happen to really like my coccydinia pillows. Like, I'm all set, by the way.
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A
Even if it was like a life saving device and coccydinia goes away when you sit on it. Like, that's not a Secret Santa present.
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B
Now I feel like maybe Ben doesn't know what secret Santa is. Like he's gotten it. Which year do you think he did worse last year?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. The first year will always be like an infamous story in the family and he will never live it down. And I'm surprised he like really dropped the ball so poorly again this year. I really hope like next, like we like, we'll just try again next year. I don't know what else there is to say.
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A
Yeah. And what I got, I keep meaning to share because I do think it's going to be a big part of my journey through life is Olivia got me a butter churner. What's the brand? It's like very legit. I feel like the hand is like.
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B
When everybody uses it. Yeah.
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A
So it's that like mason jar with the handheld turner and you can turn your own butter. So that's what I'll be doing in 2020.
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B
And a matching butter dish. So Olivia basically said, get back in the kitchen, woman.
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A
Yeah. She said you're not doing enough. Like we need more. Oh, this bread is good. But have you tried it with your own butter?
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B
Correct. I.
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A
So my next year I'll be suffering from probably arthritis from all of the.
- [22:38]
B
Churning carpal tunnel over here.
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A
I'll need a carpal tunnel pillow.
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B
I actually think I did like the best job in the family. Do you think so your husband, what did you get?
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A
Oh, you did really good.
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B
I think like it was the most thoughtful and like actually like you could applicable like you could use it in your everyday life because it wasn't just like a novelty gift. We know your husband loves going to the movies, so I got him a.
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A
She bought him season tickets a year.
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B
Long movie pass to his local theater which gives him one free ticket a month. It rolls over to the next month. So any month that he doesn't use it, he'll have like accumulated cumulative. And you get 20 off companion tickets and concessions like that. I feel like once a month, like that's probably the frequency. He goes to the movies, would you say?
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A
I'm sure he would like to go now. He wants that frequency. Yeah.
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B
And. And it's hard to give, like, because it's technically a digital gift. It's a gift card. So then I had, like, a big poster board made, like a life size check, but it was like a big movie ticket. And it says, like, here's your annual pass. And I. I just think it was, like, actually brilliant and thoughtful and like, if, like, I hope he felt, like, really seen, you know, if the.
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A
If the ticket that he hasn't used rolls over into the next month and then he has two tickets that month, then can it be free for companion?
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B
Okay, so I didn't read the bylaws.
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A
All I know is that I'll call and ask. And then I actually thought Margot did the best. And she kind of always crushes. She gets. She got Olivia, and she got her, like, a bunch of custom, like, cookware stuff from Etsy.
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B
She's really good.
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A
What did she.
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B
She is really face on it.
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A
And she did. And that. And what else? Like, tea towel stuff. Other stuff.
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B
I can't remember. Yeah, it's like monogram, like ship hero. Like, it was just, like, it was good. I don't remember. I remember we were all like, wow, good job.
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A
See, and last year, she did that too. She got stuff. She got Zach.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And she got him a mug. Like a custom dad mug. And that hat, this olive hat, which he loves.
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B
Secret Santa is so fun.
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A
It is so fun. We had so much fun.
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B
I hate that we have to wait, like, a whole year, but maybe that'll give Ben some time to think about his actions.
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A
Maybe it would.
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B
Maybe.
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A
No, but, like, he. He thought about his actions all year. It's like, I think he needs, like, a presentation. Like, what is Secret Santa?
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B
What is the goal? Somebody needs to put together, like, a YouTube tutorial about what it is.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Oh, my God. What else to discuss. I. By the way, I have so many notes for today's episode. So if you guys see me looking at my phone, she's looking at her notes, because I have, like, I wrote down some thoughts that I had at the Golden Globes, but mostly, like, my Blake Lively stuff, because a lot of people are, like, ready for Claudia and Jackie to apologize. Like, can't wait to hear them explain this. And it's like, oh, did you not read the lawsuit? Like, literally, not only am I not apologizing, not backtracking, I'm even more.
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A
You're dublaying.
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B
I'M dublaying down. Like, everybody's like, oh, my God, can you believe how much, like, his proof contradicted hers literally? Not only did it not contradict, it actually supported a lot of her claims. Like, I. The willy nilliness of the, like, literally, the Internet is just, like, supporting in this case and specifically. But there are a lot of cases like this. Like, just the last person who talks, it's like, oh, she's right. Yeah.
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A
Oh, no, he's right.
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B
Right. Like, you guys stand for fudgeing nothing, bitch. Like, at least. At least I can, like, sleep well knowing. And I've never changed my stance and be like, let's say everything Blake Lively said is a lie. And I. And I don't believe that it is. Like, I will never regret. Like, her accusations are so disgusting. Like, I will never regret believing her and taking her side.
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A
Well, so for me, like, some of the things in his counter suit, like, tell his side of, like, the two sides of what happened. And some things that, like, I'm like, oh, okay. Well, that's how Justin sees it. But I just keep coming back to the birth scene. Like him telling a woman who's given birth four times that women give birth naked. And by the way, that's the video that he made Blake watch that was considered the pornography. And so that's him countering, saying, we didn't show pornographic videos. It's my wife giving birth. It's beautiful.
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B
Supporting her claim.
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A
Yeah, yeah. But I'm like, okay, but the fact that you made her watch that to tell her how to give birth and then didn't have a closed set and wanted her to be naked, like, no here.
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B
By the way, we'll hear a lot of claims over the next couple of months, but things we need to constantly, like, buoy ourselves to the birthday.
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A
Give birth. Making. Sorry. Like, some do, some don't.
- [26:38]
B
Second, the entire cast, especially most of the women, haven't having unfollowed him during. Not even during this, like, drama during the actual filming. Nobody associating with him. And three, Jenny Slate, Brendan Skinner, all the people coming out supporting Blake Lively after her claims.
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A
Like, isn't that the same as two?
- [26:55]
B
No, because one is privately. Like, they all, like, privately and while working together, like, decided not to with him, so he's obviously being a freak. And then when it came time to, like, publicly take a stand, which is horrible. Like, it's. You're gonna get. No matter what the important. A lot of the key figures in the film, Colleen, Jenny Slate, Brendan Slynn, are like they stood with Blake. That means something to me. Yeah, it's too separate.
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A
We'll get into it. We'll get into it. So there's a lot to discuss and if your fave story didn't make the cut this today, don't worry, maybe tomorrow. But these were like the, the five that I didn't have to pick stories.
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B
They, they, they picked themselves.
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A
What I've been waiting to discuss.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So now I think without further ado, here are the fast five stories that you need to know and the best.
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Yeah, it's the first form of breast milk, but it's much, much thicker and less quantity.
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A
Like, not for me. She's paying the price. Literally. I'm so ready. First story. Paige desorbo and Craig Conover has split after three years of dating. Paige announced on her podcast giggly squad on December 30 that she and Craig have, quote, decided to no longer be together. She said, it's weird. It's very weird. I wasn't expecting this. Obviously, when we first started dating, you don't think, oh, what will happen? Will we get married? Will we not? You're just kind of like, in this relationship. She didn't reveal what caused the breakup, but hinted that there wasn't strife. She, you know, went on and on about how he's such a good person he was such a good boyfriend. Like, she has only wonderful things to say about him, but it just doesn't work out. And I think for people who have been following their relationship and watching both shows, especially this most recent episode of Southern Charm, weirdly, was very. Craig and Paige heavy. Yeah, I think it's, like, pretty clear what has happened here. Everyone was, like, waiting for them to move in together and take the next step in their relationship, but, like, their lives are just in different places, and neither one of them can or wants to budge, Move and budge and. And you can make the case for either one why Craig needs to be in Charleston and my Paige needs to be in New York. And so without that, then you can't move forward. You can't get engaged if you don't live together, and you can't live together if you can't commit to one city. So I just feel like, you know, they realize that, and also their timelines might not be exactly the same.
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B
And.
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A
And that as he gets older, like, that is probably something that he's thinking of.
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B
Yeah. Like, he has made it abundantly clear that, like, getting married, having kids is something he wants to do, like, imminently. And I think he knew that Paige was a girl he wanted to do it with, and he loved her so much, and he was willing to wait for her to be ready. And I think she, like, appreciated that space she gave him. And then it got to a point where, like, either it was, like, kind of. Or get off the pot for Craig, or she had a realization that, like, this is not how she, you know, wants to. To go out. This is not the life that she envisioned for herself. So when the news itself was so shocking, but if you've been paying attention, like, it wasn't a perfect relationship for this one kind of big reason. And it was this unsolved thing for so long, and we just. I just thought, I'm, like, they're going to figure it out. Like, they'll figure it out, the figure. And actually, they didn't. And Paige, like, spoke a lot about how, like, you know, making that decision at 32 and, like, the life that you thought you'd have for yourself with, like, marriage and kids, like, the biological clock, the societal pressures, like, she. She was sort of just like it. And I, like, I seriously am so upset. Like, I love these two.
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A
No, I know. I'm so upset. And I feel like in the beginning, I was always like, well, Paige will move to Charleston. And, like, whenever Paige is ready to do that, then they'll do that. But then, like, the last year or so, like, Craig was spending so much more time in New York. And also on Watch what Happens Live, like, people were asked, who do you think will move? And everyone was saying, like, Craig is going to move to New York. So I'm like, okay, well, Craig is going to move to New York. And I guess he just can't. And he just opened a bar. I know he's like a partner in a bar now in Charleston. Obviously, the show is in Charleston. Sewing down south is based in Charleston. Like, he really can't move. So I think, just.
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B
I think people, Paige would move because, like, her job and her life is very, like, it's what we do. You could really do it from anywhere. And obviously, being in New York, you're afforded so many opportunities. And I think she also just loves living in New York, and she shouldn't have to give that up because she doesn't want to.
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A
But.
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B
But the assumption that she would move was just because, like, between their jobs, like, she only has to be in New York technically for, like, eight weeks in the summer. Technically, yeah.
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A
But she's also expressed that she wants to be close to her family. She cried on. On Summer House. Talking about the idea of leaving her mom, like, just is so upsetting to her. But the reason why this is so shocking is because I feel like these are two people who, like, really, really not only love each other, but like each other. And, like, I feel like the absence of one another from each other's lives, like, I actually. Not to sound like I can see them getting back together, just being like, life isn't worth it, you know, like, whatever it is, they'll make it work. Because I feel like, how do you go from having, like, this best friend and, like, they liked each other. A lot of couples, like, don't even like each other. They love each other. They don't like each other. Like, they really, like, they talk all the time. Like, they were together most days of the week. They really made it work. Like, yeah, I feel like they're really going to miss each other.
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B
I hope so. That's a good perspective. Now, the Internet, like, quickly ran with rumors that, like, Paige cheated on him. They said she was spotted out on New Year's Eve celebrating with Marcello Hernandez. Like, seriously, I don't believe any of it. Like, Paige say we want about Paige, but she's actually, like, very, like, she, like, not all the time, but she's like, a deeply. She's a deep person. Right. And you don't just like, go from like a three year relationship to like out. And people like, are like, there was no proof of any of it. No pictures and nothing. People are so annoying. Like, let the girl live. And really, she's definitely like mourning this relationship now. Not to make everything about me, but, you know, like, I was kind of involved. Like, actually not at all. Like, not that's, that's an overstatement. But over the Christmas break, I was getting tagged in a million tiktoks. I'm like, what's going on? What's going on? And it was actually about Ben. So.
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A
Yes.
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B
On the last episode of the year for Good Guys. I don't know what, what they were even talking about. I don't know why Ben brought up Craig. But, you know, Ben and Craig are really good friends. Craig is an investor, like an ambassador for Spritz. So he was talking about Paige and Craig. I don't know in what capacity, in what context. And he just referred to Craig as Paige's soon to be hubby. And everybody was like, they're engaged. Oh, BSC confirmed it. Claudia's totally gonna kill Ben for spilling the secret. Like, implying that Ben had some sort of insider knowledge from Craig about these two, you know, proposing and getting engaged and he accidentally spilled the beans. And not only was that not the case, but I guess they were literally broken up. And I, I did actually like film a tick tock being like, because I felt bad. Like, I feel like Paige gets like for years they're engaged. Like all these like fake rumors about her and it's probably so annoying. And I felt really bad because Ben just talks weird. Ben just says stuff like, I can't explain it.
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A
He knew when my. When my friend is dating someone for a long time, I call them the air husband.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Then just like talks weird.
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A
I never like, I guess if I said to say it on the show with two people that people are really reading into, like, yeah, I understand how people arrived at that conclusion. But also just know, like there. It could also just be that there's nothing like there was leading in what he says.
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B
Nothing nefarious. Ben knew nothing. Ben just talks weird. Like, he just is weird. I can't explain it in any other way. And oh my God, they ran with it.
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A
Soon to be hubby.
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B
Yeah. Which literally sounds like, you know, two people got engaged. Like, it's crazy.
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A
And also it takes more breaths to say that than it is to just say Paige's hubby or Paige's boyfriend.
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B
Yeah, no, no. And when I asked him about It. He was like, like, what do you mean? Like, it's not weird. I'm like, he didn't even get it. I'm like, you're so annoying. And so I felt so bad. And I was like, it's probably the most annoying thing. This is, like, kind of plagued both Paige and Craig for years, and now this is, like, a legitimate thing people are reading into. And. And then it turns out they're literally broken up. I was shocked. And I didn't know they were broken up until I found out with everybody else. Like, I was shocked.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I also, like, love that they released, like, an audio only December 30th. Nobody releases podcast episodes after Christmas. Like, it's a kind of dead zone for media. There's no new episodes of anything. So I like that they kind of buried it. Like, seriously, like, it's probably hard.
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A
Couldn't.
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B
Of course not. Of course not. But as much as they wanted, like, could have. I think it was also a Friday.
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A
Yeah. That was like, Zach, Brian, and the election. Like, you cannot bury this.
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B
Some things are too big, right?
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A
That, like, by the. By the time, like, the new year picks up, like today, like, we would have moved on, but, like, we can't until we properly lay it to rest.
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B
Still at the restaurant.
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A
And I also feel like we will get to a place where we as people, of course, they're already there, probably where we are. Like, this was sort of the best. Like, this is what needed time. And they'll go on and do great things and hopefully find love and find joy. But until, like, there, like, today, just saying, like, sad and Southern charm. This week was so crazy because I know, like, it was a lot about, like, Craig changing Austin, being like, why don't we go to the bar, buddy? And like, like, like, classic Craig's, like, I'm almost 40. That's why Craig froze his sperm. He talks about his relationship with Paige.
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B
Freezing your sperm.
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A
He froze his sperm and because he had this fear of something happening to him where he could no longer have kids. Like, I feel like that's not like.
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B
A concern for men. It's more so, like, you could have a. No, there are men out here getting women pregnant. Robert De Niro.
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A
Yes. It was more so like, of a freak thing happening where he could no longer. So he froze.
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B
Kind of like an intrusive thought.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. But it's like, okay, it's freezing. Pop off, literally. And he's talking about, you know, the timetable and how. Where he thought he'd be. But he fell in love With Paige. And, you know, it just really. I feel like if you want to know why they broke up, like, it's that, like, they. They thought that they could surmount these really big things, and they are kind of insurmountable.
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B
Yes. But also. And I think, like, the sad truth here, and this is probably something they came to the realization, too, is that while there are so many things that keep you tied to a city, at the end of the day, the person you marry should be bigger than all of that. Like, they should be more important.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I. Like, my life is in New York, but if Ben said, we're moving to Alaska, like, we're moving to Alaska, like, Right. And so if you can't even conceive giving all of that up for the person, then that. Then that's not your person. And that's.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That's probably, like, the saddest part of all this. They had to come to that realization because, yes, I think it was understood that Paige would move, but, like, Craig wasn't out here offering, like, so for both of them, like, it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't the other one.
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A
And beyond that, like, New York or Charleston are not even Alaska. Like, you can do. They really could do what they were doing.
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B
There's. And they've been managing to make this, like, bi, Coastal, whatever you want to call it, relationship work on. It's so easy to get to Charleston from New York and New York to Charleston. They could have lived in both places. They could have done it together. But the fact that they actively chose not to, I think is. Speaks to. To why we're here.
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A
But then it's like. And I've realized this recently about me and you, because we have so. We have such different ideas of, like, what our dream life looks like. Like, in terms of, like, a home.
- [42:07]
B
Yep.
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A
And, like, what if there are two people who are like that? Like, where do. If you and I were married, where would we live?
- [42:13]
B
It's an amazing question. Well, right. I'm a steamroller. We would live where I want to live, because.
- [42:19]
A
I know. But, like, I would not be happy living in a city.
- [42:22]
B
Yeah. That's so true.
- [42:24]
A
So maybe they're just like a Jackson, a Claude when it comes to like, how. Like, your idea.
- [42:29]
B
But then there are other cities that are, like, hybrids of both. Like, I'm just saying, if. If that person is your person, like, you figure it out. Like, if me and they had such different ideas, like, we would move to Nashville.
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A
Like, we would figure it out by the way. We could Agree on Nashville. That's what we would.
- [42:43]
B
That's the only thing. And if Nashville had a thriving Jewish community, like, we would all be living there today.
- [42:48]
A
100.
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B
And don't come for me. I know there are Jews there. I'm just saying it's not like, a thriving big community. Lots of shules and.
- [42:53]
A
And lots of kosher meats and lots of schools. Yeah. Trust us. We've looked. But then. Okay, say we're moving to Nashville. Not to make Craig and Craig about us.
- [43:03]
B
Craig and Pedge.
- [43:05]
A
Like, would you be happy in Franklin?
- [43:08]
B
Yes. Oh, my God. Would I be happy in Franklin? All the celebrities live there.
- [43:12]
A
Okay. Okay. So I just don't think we can.
- [43:14]
B
Afford what we want.
- [43:15]
A
But maybe Paige and Craig needed to move to Franklin.
- [43:18]
B
I think moving to Franklin would work, like, solve a lot of problems for a lot of different people. I agree.
- [43:24]
A
Save a lot of relationships.
- [43:26]
B
That's what I think. Yeah. I'm so upset. But I. Like, I do understand.
- [43:33]
A
I'm upset. I understand. However, I'm finding, like, the hope and the joy and thinking about, like, their futures separately.
- [43:41]
B
Greg will be engaged in a year. Like, I know every man saying that who really wants. And by the way, I think that if the roles were reversed and, you know, it was the woman who didn't want to give up or sacrifice, you know, marriage and children, like, we would all empower that and agree and champion her. And I think that while the roles are like a. Like, reverse, usually it's the other way. It's the woman who's worried about the.
- [44:03]
A
Clock, and it's the Scottish. It's Shep. And I know that we're back to Charleston.
- [44:08]
B
Like, I think both of their decisions, like, are brave and deserve, like, Paige choosing herself and, like, her career. Like, that's commendable. And Craig, like, not willing to budge on these, like, big things that really mattered him. That's also so valid and so real, and, like, I champion that, too.
- [44:26]
A
Yes. Also, Craig is a few years older than Paige, and those few years are very critical in life and also in this situation because he's nearing 40, and he, like, wants to be. Yes. Men can be dads whenever, but he wants. 40 is time a dad in this time. And Paige still has, like, a few years before she's there and feeling that way. And I just. I feel like three years was the max they could give it, you know, the longest they could stretch.
- [44:51]
B
It's like. Or get off the pot, that sort of energy.
- [44:55]
A
And it happens every day in relationship.
- [44:58]
B
It does. It's really sad. It really is.
- [45:01]
A
Yeah.
- [45:02]
B
Because it's kind of like, right person, wrong time. However, I think what I'm coming to terms with is that it might not be right person. Like, because if it was, like, you're willing to move mountains to do anything.
- [45:15]
A
Yeah. We'd be together in any time in any place. Yeah.
- [45:21]
B
So, rip. Pour one out for these two. Thanks for the memories.
- [45:25]
A
They were pargy such.
- [45:29]
B
I also feel like Paige is, like, a little bit, like, like, eclipsing. Bravo. Sometimes I, like, remember she's on Summer House. I'm like, why? Like, she's such a. I don't even know what to call her. She's a star. She's, like, a socialite now. Her podcast is super popular, but she's, like, a huge fashion girly. She's a very successful influencer. Like, she's just kind of like a Carrie Bradshaw of our time. And I don't know, I feel like when she goes to BravoCon, I'm like, Girl, I'm sorry for you. Like, it was a great stepping stone for her to get here, but I do feel like she's kind of outgrown it, especially that particular show. Like, what are you doing with Kyle?
- [46:01]
A
Like, let's see what happens this season. I do agree with you. I'm like, if she did. If she didn't go back on Summer House, like, her life would not change whatsoever. In fact, her summers would be freed up. She could go to Europe.
- [46:12]
B
She needs to be, like, a Vogue contributor. Like, all, like, seriously. I just think there's endless potential for her. She's so beautiful. She's so funny. Like, she actually has that personality that most girls who are that pretty sort of, like, rest on their laurels. They don't have to be so dazzling. She really is just, like, diamond of the season.
- [46:31]
A
Yes, I agree. For other brothers, Bravo stars, BravoCon is, like, the biggest thing in their year. Like, for her, it's a drag.
- [46:37]
B
It's literally, like, something she probably dreads. And by the way, I don't know any of this to be true. It's just, like, how I perceive it.
- [46:43]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [46:44]
B
Yeah. I just think she's kind of, like, too good for it. Like, when you think of her accolades, like, reality star is, like, fifth on the list, and it's like, it just doesn't feel any more like, thank you for giving us Paige, but, like, you have to let her go now. Bravo.
- [46:56]
A
Yeah. Set her free. Yeah, no, it's. It's very true. But anyways, like, excited to see what she does next. Especially as, like, now she's. She's sat. She's focused on Paige. She's not going to Charleston every other week.
- [47:09]
B
She dates. Like, she's so pretty. Like, of course. But obviously I don't want to go there. Obviously, I'm like, right.
- [47:13]
A
It's still too raw for both of, like.
- [47:15]
B
Yeah, because. But I'm. But I'm excited to see.
- [47:17]
A
I just feel like we can't talk that way. Like, yet.
- [47:20]
B
I feel like you can't. Yeah. No, we can't. It's so disrespectful in rude.
- [47:23]
A
Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?
- [47:26]
B
Let me pull up. Speaking.
- [47:27]
A
Speaking of disrespectful and rude, Justin Baldoni is filing a 250 million dollar lawsuit against the New York Times over the Blake Lively story. So while we were off, if you're a Patreon, you're all caught up. But while we were off, Blake Lively filed a lawsuit against Justin Wayfair Studios, PR and New York Times.
- [47:47]
B
They had the exclusive for him and nine other complaints. He's, like, suing on behalf Melissa Nathan, the publicist. Jennifer Abel, the publicist. It's a bunch of people who were named in the original complaint that was published in the New York Times. They're all suing together. So I guess that means they're like splitting the bill for the lawyers.
- [48:01]
A
Yes. And they are suing the New York Times. They wrote 4,000-word piece titled We Can Bury Anyone, and it showed how Justin and his team buried Blake and everything that happened this summer. So Turi and I, of course, felt so vindicated. You have to read everything that's in there before we get into all of this. But I feel like everyone is caught up. So that's where we were at.
- [48:21]
B
If you were looking for our thoughts on just the Blake Lively up until that point, we did a whole podcast episode about it on Patreon over the winter break because there was so much to dive into, so many, like, really abhorrent allegations. And I thought her complaint really colored in the timeline of events in a chronological sense with that, like the SAG AFTRA break. So the Internet sort of swung back completely once Blake filed her complaint, because how could you not? And so many celebrities were speaking out. And then like a couple of days later, maybe like a week later, Justin Baldoni filed this lawsuit and now everyone has swung back.
- [48:53]
A
Yes. Also, Justin, like, was dropped by wme, which was his agency and also Blake's agency. But beyond that, what other retribution?
- [49:01]
B
Did you see his podcast Host left the podcast, which, by the way, we need to add that to the list of things buoying us that we need to.
- [49:08]
A
No, no, no, no, no. I can't hang anything on this person who left his podcast, who podcasted with him for so many years and champion him as a male feminist. And then the minute, like, things got went south for him, she left. Like, so were you lying that whole time or you didn't know who your podcast host was, or you just going, you're going with the tides? Like, I need clarification. That was where we left the Patreon too. Like, okay, unscrupuled.
- [49:29]
B
But that's also like a.
- [49:30]
A
That not your boy.
- [49:31]
B
For me, that's a big pillar in this story of things I want to.
- [49:35]
A
Be ties if she comes back to the show now.
- [49:37]
B
Like, so we're back with Justin. I'm back on the pod. So it literally was really wild to see public opinion completely shift. I think a lot of people begrudgingly supported Blake Lively when she released her complaint, because how could you not? The thing she was alleging were really so fudgeing, disgusting. And this was a person everyone was so quick and easy and happy to destroy a couple of months ago. And the fact that they sort of had to take her side a couple of weeks ago, I think was hard for a lot of people. They're just jealous. Like, she's this perfect, you know, skinny blonde, rich, you know, married to Ryan Reynolds. Like, she's easy to hate. And she's obviously doesn't seem like the best, you know, most kind, like, compassionate personality.
- [50:14]
A
Because what she said to then the flaw of it all.
- [50:17]
B
She definitely is, like, kind of a wedge for sure. Not a crime, but obviously not the type of person you'd, like, choose to hang out with and champion. So it was really, I think, hard for people to have to take her side. And then Justin Baldoni came out with this lawsuit, and people were so happy to sort of cling onto it to be back on Team Justin. And basically the. The overwhelming consensus is, like, everyone's back on Team Justin now because so much of what he shared and he has his own text messages, his own proof, and so much of that completely contradicts what Blake is saying in her complaint, according to people on the Internet. And I'm here to say, like, my thesis of today, that could not be further from the truth. I have read a lot of the. His is a lawsuit, hers is a complaint.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And by the way, a lot of people are like, well, if Blake was really the victim she would have sued. Well, the thing is, And. And I saw a lawyer explain this, because people don't know anything. So you're just, like, making stuff up. Like, why didn't Blake sue? Well, buddy, you know the law. Blake is suing, like, a. Because he's her employer. It's like an employment lawsuit. And in order to do that, you have to get approved to sue. And in order to get approved to sue, you have to file a complaint. The court has 60 days to approve or deny you the right to sue. So that's what she's doing. That's why she didn't sue. That's why she has a complaint. It's step one in her lawsuit. And then he sued. So everyone's like, look, he can sue. So he's right. Actually, she was taking the proper legal steps.
- [51:29]
A
Also, he's filing a lawsuit against the New York Times over the story that they wrote, because they say that that story does not have the whole story. So he's rebutting a couple of those, like, heinous accusations that we stayed in. And this is. This is just inside. So the accusation that he repeatedly entered her makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including while she was breastfeeding. He. He said that he act like she pumped a lot, breastfed in meetings, and he invited her into her trailer when she was pumping in the past. So any, like, disability that he had into her breastfeeding and pumping, like, was. She was. That was what was happening.
- [52:06]
B
And the screenshot that's sort of. Sort of taken the Internet by storm is a text message from Blake to Justin, basically saying they needed to meet about something. She was like, hey, I'm pumping in my trailer. Come on in.
- [52:15]
A
Yeah, I'm coming in my trailer if you want to work out our lines. He responded, copy eating with crew, and we'll head that way.
- [52:20]
B
So everybody says that this screenshot completely contradicts what Blake said. Blake said that he was entering when she was breastfeeding and pumping. And look, here's literally proof that she invited him in. So to be clear, because I understand the English language, this in no way screenshot contradicts what Blake said. First of all, just because you've been invited in one time does not give you unfettered access to my breasts. Breasts and my trailer, first of all. Second of all, the difference between pumping and breastfeeding. And I don't even. I have never done either, but even I know, like, breastfeeding your titties out, pumping, you put the things on your Nipples and you could go for a walk. Like, you could do anything. So they're so different. So inviting someone in while you're pumping is not a suit.
- [52:55]
A
Breastfeeding in a public place. Like, say she was breastfeeding in a meeting. So it's like, oh, she had her titty out. Like, you can.
- [53:00]
B
That's. You're consenting.
- [53:02]
A
No. But also, whether or not she had her boob out, like, you can breast. You can know you're breastfeeding in public and. And do it in a way that's covered up. But when you're breastfeeding in private, like, you don't care that you're out. Like, someone walking in on you. Breastfeeding in private is not going to look the same as you knowingly doing it in public.
- [53:16]
B
No, it's so true. I feel like a lot of women with, like, newborn babies who travel, they breastfeed on airplanes and there's like, you put that little thing over.
- [53:21]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [53:22]
B
It's. It's. You can breastfeed in public.
- [53:24]
A
People breastfeed in public all the time.
- [53:26]
B
And.
- [53:26]
A
And most more often than not, the way you breastfeed in public looks different than private.
- [53:30]
B
Of course. And just because you've been invited in one time to see while she was pumping does not give you unfettered access. Like, you are still a. A co worker. Be a male coworker and see her boss, like, everybody being like, oh, look, Blake's a liar. Like, are you thick in the head? No, actually, this does not contradict at all. And I don't care how open. Let's say Blake was one of those women who didn't give a fuck. Tits out, nipples out. You still, as the director, as the boss, as her co worker, and as a man, you still have to act with the utmost. Knock five times. I want you to knock five times. You still have to act. I don't care how Blake. And I don't even think Blake was that type of breastfeeder. But even if she was, like, you still have to act with some sort of decorum.
- [54:10]
A
Yeah. So, all in all, the lawsuit states that it was Blake who allegedly embarked on a strategic and manipulative smear campaign, using false sexual harassment allegations to assert unilateral control over every aspect of the production. The lawsuit also accuses her husband, Ryan Reynolds, of allegedly berating Justin during a heated meeting at their Tribeca penthouse in New York in which he accused the director of fat shaming his wife. So basically, what he's saying is that, like, there was this.
- [54:32]
B
And by the way, by the way, before this lawsuit or anything, when there was, like, a little bit of whispers about Blake and Ryan, one of the first things that came out was Justin inquiring a lot about Blake's weight. That was, like, the first thing we had heard. So I believe. I believe this.
- [54:47]
A
Yes. And I think what Justin would say to that, he had, like, a back thing and.
- [54:52]
B
Yeah, so he says he's only inquiring because he has, like, a hernia and he has to lift Blake and kiss her. So he needs to know exactly how much this woman weighs to. And you know what? If you have to ask, you can't lift her. So why don't you just say, I am not strong enough, and let's cut that scene. You're the director, right?
- [55:07]
A
We didn't need a lift. This isn't Dirty Dancing.
- [55:10]
B
We didn't need like a slave.
- [55:12]
A
If your job requires you to ask a woman what she weighs, like, unless you're the doctor, you're in the long. Like, that's just not what we're gonna do, especially given the context. She just had a baby, and, like, she's. You cast her for this role. You see her, you see what it entails. You're a director. You cast her. It's not like she's got, like, lead in her feet.
- [55:32]
B
Weight that you can't see.
- [55:35]
A
Like, use your eyes.
- [55:37]
B
Oh, my God. Funny. Funny. That's funny. Yeah. Lead shoes. She should have. That would have been funny. Okay. For me, the biggest part of this story and so many people, like, this is their big thing about with the lawsuit, is that, like, really, he has disproven everything when it comes to the intimacy coordinator. And so I'm gonna read from my notes. I watched an amazing video from, like, an intimacy coordinator expert. I just want to shout her out because I'm, like, about to literally copy everything she said. It's like a nice, long 10 minute video. Her name is Brenna Perez. Okay, so Blake has said that there wasn't an intimacy coordinator present. She said that in interviews, and I think she alleges it in her complaint as well. And Justin, you know, shows proof. Like, what are you talking about? We had an intimacy coordinator. But if you actually. So that looks like a contradiction, right? Blake's lying. But if you actually read, Justin actually corroborates a lot of what Blake is saying. So after the SAG AFTRA break, Blake had demanded that there be an intimacy coordinator on set at all times. Usually an intimacy coordinator just shows up on the days where we're, you know, they don't need to be around all the time. But because Justin had, like, this obsession with adding in kisses and adding in sex scenes that weren't previously agreed to, Blake said, listen, if you're going to do that, like, I want an intimacy coordinator on set every single day, because who knows when you're going to start kissing me? And she's totally valid in that. And what I didn't realize that this girl explained in the video is, like, when you sign onto a project, every intimate scene, literally every kiss. But mostly, like, the sexy scenes are agreed upon contractually before. So if you do want to add, sometimes it happens. It complicates things, but it has to be agreed upon. But it's like, you can't just go around, like, adding in an ass grab. You know, it's not improv these things because of sag, and they have these rules in place to protect actors and actresses, so you can't just go around adding stuff. So the fact that Blake alleges that Justin really wanted to add stuff, like, complicates things a lot. So him saying that there was a coordinator on set is, you know, not untrue, but it's half true. Because if you're kissing her on days when the lady's not there, who does that help, Right? So after the SAG AFTRA break, they had agreed to have the coordinator on set full time. So Justin is like, she was there full time. What are you talking about? And he shares a text message. Not only was she there, but I actually tried to coordinate a meeting between her and Blake, and Blake said no. So you read the text messages, and they're coming. They're coming off the break. So I think they're about to be back. And he says, by the way, I found an amazing coordinator. So first of all, it's a coordinator who he found. I'd love to set. I'd love to set up a meeting off set. Like, not while they're on set. Like, I'd love to set up a meeting. And Blake's like, no, I'm good. I'll meet her when we're back on set. First day. So, look, Blake's being difficult. I don't know that she necessarily wanted to meet your coordinator. Like, how do we know she's legit? After this SAG AFTRA break, where this list of 30 things we agreed on, you've been showing me pornographic videos. Your producing partner is a freak. All these things, like, you add kissing scenes. I don't know that I Want to meet off camera. I mean, excuse me, offset with you and your intimacy coordinator. So it's like, look, Blake's being difficult to work with. With. But then also the really interesting thing is Blake, I mean, Justin alleges in his lawsuit that he wasn't adding all these sexy scenes. It was the intimacy coordinator's idea. Now that is not the job of an intimacy coordinator. That's like, actually really weird. So if that's true, like buy more work for her. No, but let's say that's true.
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A
More hours.
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B
You hired a freaky ass intimacy coordinator because that's not her job. Why the would Blake want to meet this person?
- [59:02]
A
Right?
- [59:03]
B
And let's say it's not true. You're the one adding those things and you're a freak. But now, now we understand why Blake said no to meeting with his intimacy coordinat. So she's putting forth all these sexy ideas that you didn't agree to. And that's not your job. It's not your job to meet with the intimacy coordinator. Offset. Like, you come up to work, you show you're not the director. Like, you are an actor. You show up and do your job. So so much of what he said, especially about the intimacy coordinator, actually validates Blake's complaint. I don't know what people are talking about. Like, dead ass.
- [59:29]
A
Yeah. Also then the situation. So there's all these like, things that happened, Disputes. But then there's also this larger thing of like, there were two different cuts of the movie. Blake, like, made her own movie. And like, I just think that the disputes, like, they go so like the, they could go back and forth all day. And also, like, Blake's alleging like, sexual harassment. I think Justin is saying, like, those things were in sexual harassment. And then like, people are like, aren't you the male feminist? Like, how are you going to tell a woman like, what sexual. Like, it's so messy. It is so messy.
- [59:58]
B
There are a lot of things in the complaint that don't personally interest me. Like, it's a lot of he said. No, I'm gonna say it's a lot of he said, she said. It's not illegal to have two different cuts of a movie. Like, does that make Blake look different? Sure. But like, when it comes down to like the actual allegations, that interests me more than like, well, Blake said I had my cut. And Justin said, I don't give a fuck.
- [60:17]
A
No, I know it doesn't interest us, but like, they are germane to the whole story. So I'm just Saying like, the whole story is so much bigger. And then in this complaint, Justin is saying that Blake was going to, you know, come out with these sexual harassment allegations. That's why he hired that PR firm that then Grassroots. Grassroots did all that. Now he looks bad for doing that, but, you know, he's like, well, she was gonna do it to me. So it's like him you did, but.
- [60:40]
B
You did the thing first, right? Like you being afraid of retribution for something you actually did. Like, that's called crime and punishment. Okay.
- [60:47]
A
Right.
- [60:49]
B
No, no, I have not changed my side even in the slightest.
- [60:52]
A
No, no, me neither.
- [60:53]
B
But now I go the pendulum swing.
- [60:56]
A
Back to like the original. I feel like it's just like when people are choosing sides, like they're choosing a difference of like the two personalities. Some people just like, want Justin Baldoni to be this like male hero that.
- [61:06]
B
They know and they think he's hot.
- [61:07]
A
And they like see all this that he says and does and they're like, oh, I love. And like, for me, that's just like, not my. Not for me.
- [61:13]
B
That's not how I see Justin Baldoni. His like charms have not worked on me.
- [61:17]
A
Right. So I think these are like two people who were not going to get along, who were in like a really crazy environment where they're having to like do all these things. They're both have their own things that they're worried about. Him and his back, her and her breastfeeding. And it's a recipe for disaster. And it doesn't change how I see the situation because what they did to.
- [61:40]
B
Her with all the media and offset.
- [61:44]
A
And offset.
- [61:45]
B
Like, yeah, I don't know. I will like, if. If, let's say, you know, the truth comes out and Blake concoct. I will never really. I. I won't look back and regret having believed her. Like what she. First of all, there is a lot of proof that supports her claims or a lot of people who support her claims. And her claims are really disturbing. Not only like the. The astroturfing, which is now something we all know about and should be really conscious of.
- [62:08]
A
Which, by the way, thanks for. I'm glad that we know that. I'm glad.
- [62:11]
B
And he's not denying that, by the way, which is even crazier, but the fact that all of the things between the birthing scene and the adding sexual scenes and being really inappropriate from this so called male feminist, like, I don't know. I'm sorry, I. I believe Blake. I really do. And yet she's probably a bitch. Like Do I? I don't give a fuck.
- [62:32]
A
Right? Like, doesn't mean that you had to. Like, you hired. She's an A list actress. Like, you wanted the biggest name in romantic comedy.
- [62:40]
B
Diva, diva, diva.
- [62:41]
A
That's what you got.
- [62:42]
B
Yeah. Like, I'm sorry. And by the way, to talk about.
- [62:46]
A
Thanks for ruining our favorite book because now this book is ruined. The movie is ruined. I never saw the movie and I'm never going to because what are we.
- [62:54]
B
Doing with the sequel where there is no sequel.
- [62:56]
A
It's over. You guys ruined it. Let's see if there is ever gets another movie in her life. Yeah. What a mess. And the thing is, like, nobody sometimes things are like, dramatic and like, don't worry, darling. Where it, like, helps the hype of the movie. But, like, nobody wants to touch this. Apparently, like, even at the Golden Globes one, it should have been nominated for.
- [63:14]
B
Best blockbuster box office and cinematic achievement.
- [63:18]
A
And they should have been there. And I think Blake and Ryan were gonna go to the Golden Globes and then didn't. Like, this thing is so messy. And Nikki Glazier said she wouldn't even joke about it because nobody, nobody even knows, like, what is true. Who's the villain? Like, it's just a mess. You guys ruined the fun for everyone. We were so excited about this movie. We've been talking about it for years. And this is where we ended up.
- [63:36]
B
I.
- [63:37]
A
And I think as far as ruining the movie, like, I blame him. He was the director, he was the star.
- [63:42]
B
He casted it up until this point. I stand by everything I've said. And if I'm wrong, then so be it. I really don't think I'm wrong. I'm not. And I'm not. I'm not not changing my opinion because I don't want to have said, I admit I was wrong all the time. Remember when I thought Travis Kelsey was never even that close to Taylor Swift? Like, I can admit when I'm wrong. I am even more certain that Justin Baldoni is a bad faith actor.
- [64:05]
A
And this, like, now the two suits for me kind of like knock each other out and I go back to how I felt. Not entirely, but I'm just like, back to how I felt in the summer where it's like I just. I'm with her.
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B
Everything she said in her complaint shook, like, really genuinely shook me to my core. Like, as a, as a woman. Yeah. And everything in his complaint. Whiny little. You're not denying the astro turfing. You're not denying that meeting you had during the Sag Aftra strike, coming to terms and agreeing on 30 things you're gonna stop doing. You actually admitted that in your suit. You admitted to not having an intimacy coordinator on set all the time, which you should have if you're adding in sex scenes. So you admitted in that they're like, he's literally admitting guilt. I don't know what the hell people are reading. Like, I am. I'm sad. Like, I will be here. My opinion has not changed. And. And if your opinion has, like, you obviously haven't read it. Or b, you didn't really want to believe Blake before and now you have a reason not to.
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I feel like for people like, his lawsuit counters her lawsuit and kind of explains every charge that they felt like they needed to be mad about. So then they also go back to how they were feeling, feeling this summer. And they're with him.
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Yeah. But if you actually read it, it. It does not contradict hers at all. If anything, it supports a lot of her claims and corroborates her timeline. Yeah, it's crazy.
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Yeah.
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So I'm sad.
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So our next story. Golden Globes.
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Oh, I'm so many Golden Globes.
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I know.
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Modern.
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Modern.
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Okay, last night, Golden Globes. We've got the winners, we've got the moments. Let's get into it. You want to start with winners and then we'll shoot off from there.
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No, let's start with Nikki.
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A
Love that.
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B
So I think we all knew she was gonna crush. If you've been following Nikki Glazer's career, like, she hasn't like become enormous for lack of talent. It's really been lack of opportunity. But anytime she gets hired for something, like, she crushes it. And I think a lot of people saw that with the Tom Brady roast and that's largely why she got this gig. It's the first time a woman has ever hosted solo. So there was a lot of pressure. The fact that, like, there's so many successful female comedians, but we're rotating the Jimmies. Like, how has a woman never done. Oh, but the one time they gave it to a woman, they had to give it three women. Amy Schumer, remember she did with two other women, by the way.
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I'd be fine if they rotated the Jimmy's. And it was good, you know, and it was great. And it was great, but it's not been. And so it was Nikki Glazer's turn.
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And I think there was even more eyes because of the Jo Koy of it all last year, like, which really was floppy.
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A
O. Oh my God, I forgot about that.
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And that was the same thing I remember saying. How disappointing it was. Like, one, because it just wasn't funny. But two, because, like, this is a comedian who's not huge, right? So this is a global platform. Like, it would have been such an amazing opportunity if he had crushed it. And it sucks that he didn't for. It sucks for him.
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And it kind of hurts people who aren't the biggest comedians to ever do it again. They're not going to take a chance on someone.
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And they did. Even though Nikki Glazer's like, not really taking a chance. She's the biggest female comedian right now.
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No, but it, but that's, that pales.
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In comparison to like Kevin Hart, right? So to see her absolutely crush, like, I, I, the thing is, I would have liked it regardless because I happen to really like her. She's been on the show, she's Incredibly nice.
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You might have been biased in your review. This is not biased.
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B
No. And, like, I have such. I really only have positive things to say about Nikki Glazer, like, having, like, met her in person. And she's been so nice to me. Like, she. Anytime I've been in a room with her, she's been, like, the most famous person in the room, like, a lot of other female comics, and she's always the nicest one. Like, she. I just. I can't say enough good things about her. And then she came on our show, like, right after the Tom Brady rose. Like, she could have canceled because, like, she was having this moment. She was on, you know, every show in America, and she came on the toast. Like, I just. I love her, so I would have. I would have loved it regardless. But let me tell you, I laughed, she crushed, I left. Ben was dying. The Sandler Chalamet thing was his favorite. We were laughing so hard.
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And by the way, I need to thank her for that. We got so much Kylie, because she gave us so much Timothy. And I thought that bit with Adam Sandler and Timothy was just, like, funny. It's like, we're not making fun of everyone. Like, it's just a funny moment. People really struggle between, like, being so soft and not saying anything. And then also, you could go, like, you know, I'm going to rip into everyone in this room, which is going to kill. And if you're funny about it, but, like, to find the medium where it's like, we're going to talk about everything and also be funny while not, like, being nasty. She was so good. But also talking about certain elephants in the room, roasting the celebrities at large. I loved when she said, like, we could be living through history. Like, we could be watching these clips in five days, being like, they got the guy.
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It's so true. And I think that was her greatest skill, was the way she toed the line of, you know, mock that we're mocking these people and not. I would say there's literally only one person who can successfully do, like, a full roast, and that's Ricky Gervais.
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Right?
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And then you go too soft and you're not funny. So I think her balance of, like, you know, pointing out, like, a lot of the hypocrisy in the room. These, like, fancy artists, storytellers, like, people, like, it was so brilliant while also, like, being funny. Like, it was just. The thing is, I don't care what you do. If you make me laugh, that's literally all I care About. She was brilliant. There were so many jokes that were so funny. Two time Holocaust survivor Adrien Brody, like, actually killed me. Like, so funny and like, yeah, a little edgy, but not offensive.
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No, not at all. Her saying, Benny Blanca was here because of the genie who granted him that wish. Like, so funny, so funny.
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Like, she just. And she was so well rehearsed. And I heard her. She was being interviewed by Zuri hall. And she was like, I practiced the monologue. I counted 96 times. And she's like, I know people are going to be like, well, it's scripted, it's scripted. She's like, no, I just want to be comfortable enough that, like, I can riff and also not be like, reading straight from the teleprompter. Hello, welcome to the Golden Globes. And I felt that. I felt her sense of comfort. Like she knew what the joke was going to be. And then you saw her, like, not looking at the teleprompter, riffing on her own joke. Like, she, she was brilliant. Like, she made me so, like, she made me laugh so hard. She made me.
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She.
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I just. I fucking loved it.
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No, she could also tell she was so comfortable. She, like, didn't care if the people in the room were going to find her funny, which I think they. I don't even know if they did because I wasn' paying attention to them either. Like, it was like she knew she was talking, like, working for us, the viewer. Like, she was joking for us. You know, she wasn't like, like, Joe Coy, like, you gonna laugh or tough crowd? Like, she was literally ignoring everyone in the room, which is the most important room in. In her field, and just really catering to the viewers at home. And you could tell she felt really comfortable. She felt like, so cool. Like, it was like, cool girl comedy relaxed.
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No, by the way, that's an amazing point because the job is hard because you're obviously performing stand up in a room full of like a thousand people. But it's like those a thousand people literally do not matter. It's the people at home. And Jo Koy's big fault was like, him making jokes and it didn't get huge laughs in the room. So if you were doing that in a comedy club, you'd be like, what's wrong with you guys? And he was doing it and it's like, no, stop. Like, that's not the point.
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Right. Well, also, it's like in this moment, the 1,000 people in the room don't matter. You're playing to us. But those people matter for your career. So, like, you have to toe that line too of not pissing them off. And I thought she just did it brilliantly and she looks amazing. And we got her owes everything. We got like, so Luke's, which is always fun for the girl.
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She had the glamour, she had everything. Like, seriously, she like.
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A
I felt like she was having fun, which typically everyone talks about. This job of the hosting job is like the most thankless job. It's so dreadful. It's like you don't pass it up because it's a good opportunity, but nobody wants to do it. Like, she was happy to be there.
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And I feel like there's been a lot of discourse ever since Joan Rivers died, like, who's the next Joan? Right. And it felt like, you know, everybody sort of gave it to Kathy Griffin and then they took it back and we've just sort of been like waiting and honestly, after last night, like, that was a. I think a performance Joan Rivers would have liked.
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Yeah. I'm gonna go back and watch some stuff again. I feel like as we talk about people, I'll remember jokes that she made because it was parge.
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It was brilliant. I hope, I hope this blows up her career like tenfold. Any up. Like she should be getting the same opportunities as like Kevin Hart and Chris Rock. Like, she is. Is funny, she works hard and she writes her own jokes. Like you can tell she like workshopped them a million times. I. I can't. I can't remember a time where I've had nothing negative to say. Nothing.
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Yeah, I actually overall thoughts on the Golden Globes, though. I watched the whole thing, which is tells you everything you need to know. Usually I watch every award show because, like, that's what we do. And then I turn it off when it either offends me or seriously bores me. And I'm like, this is a bad use of my time. I watch till the end. I watch them getting up out of their chairs. Not to say that I loved it so much. My only issue with the show is I felt like, like Every. Mostly like 90 of the awards went to the wrong people. Not that I saw any of the movies. I just want to say it was.
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Just vibes, like based on vibes.
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Just vibes and like knowing the actors and seeing some of the reviews. Like, I think Amelia Perez won a lot of awards. Like the things that I've seen about that movie. Not only the Spanish speaking debacle which we discussed, which I thought would make it like, take it out of the running of seriousness the reviews are like, I've just seen people being like, no, no, no. The movie is so bad, so much so that I actually want to watch it just to make sure. But, you know, my time is precious.
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B
Same. But what I've also heard, and I would love, like, our Mexican tostadas to speak on this from my community, what I've heard is, like, the fact that they made a film about this particular story is so offensive to Mexican culture. They say. They say. It's like, I don't know. I don't know if this was an exaggeration, but I saw a tweet that was like, it's the equivalent of, like, making a sympathetic, like, backstory to the 911, like, doers.
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Wow.
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Like, so I don't. I don't know. I don't even know who Amelia Perez is. And like, like, I would love for the Mexican tostadas. Please sound off in the comments. Like, are you offended the fact that this movie was even created?
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Yeah, it's like we're finally telling the story.
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It's a French director with, like, no real ties to the Mexican culture. And, like, you know, you know, one of the characters doesn't even speak Spanish. Like, beyond that, like, actual. The execution, the sheer concept of it, I believe is quite controversial.
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That is so funny. I didn't even know that. All I keep getting, like, piecemeal information about this movie. Of course, the Spanish speaking controversy, which I really thought would take it out of contention. Like, that kind of. That's like inauthenticity. Yeah, we don't do that, you know, So I was shocked that it won so many things. And of course I didn't see it and I've heard bad things, so I was like, oh, maybe not. But here, let's go through the.
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B
Before we dive into the winners, can we just quickly do red carpet?
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Sure.
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Now I don't need to go through everyone's looks. Like, everyone was actually well dressed, with the exception of Kerry Washington. Like, she actually, like, looked so ugly. And I couldn't believe that, that she decided to wear that. Like, like, and it was Balenciaga. Like, obviously, when you wear. Nicole Kidman also wore Balenciaga, which was enormously disappointing.
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But let me say she was undeniable. It was undeniable.
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Things can be true. It was such an unbelievably beautiful dress and it really, it looked amazing on her. So I could see how she struggled with that decision. Like, damn, do I go for, like, the good dress or the moral compass? Like, and I know She's a spokesperson for Blood Saga, so she has to wear. Same with Kerry Washington. But the fact that Kerry Washington, like, knew she was gonna get and decided to wear something so ugly, like, for what, you know. Yeah, but I was watching E. And this is the first big award show where they gave Laverne Cox the boot. And I think the consumers and the watchers and the viewers have, you know, kind of requesting that for some time. They really tried to make it work. But I noticed, like, a big shift where Zuri hall, who is this, like, OG Entertainment journalist who's been with E. For a really long time, it doesn't necessarily always get these opportunities. She was given the prime spot. She was. Was talking to most of the stars. And then Heather was on another, like, I think on the longer red carpet with the microphones, and Kelty was at the front. So it was kind of like Zuri's moment, which I thought was great because we're always talking about, like, the lack of, like, entertainment journalists on the carpet. And I know it's important to, like, involve, you know, other people. And that's why we're always saying, like, Kelty is so great and Heather's so funny. So, like, it's really great balance. But the fact that they gave Zuri the main stage stage, I think was really well deserved. Like, she's been at the network for so many years. I feel like she's always kind of, like, getting the boot, and I love that.
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I saw a bit of E. Red carpet, and every interview that I saw, like, no awkward moments, like, no butt clenching. I feel like the flow of conversation is, like, so hard in those moments, and, like, that's what makes someone really great. And I thought everyone that I saw did a really good job. And, like, it was just conversation, and. And the. The talent was having fun, and they felt comfortable. And the hosts, like, Heather and Zuri, like, they just did. Did a really good job. So much so, like, I shouldn't have so many thoughts on. On the actual dialogue, you know?
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B
Yeah. And Zuri is.
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A
We should be, like, making fun of what the celebrity answers are. Let's get back to those times.
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B
Zuri is so beautiful. But what I really noticed is, like, everyone who got on stage was, like, kind of dazzled by her.
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Jamie Foxx.
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Yes. Oh, my God, you look beautiful. Like, I don't know a time where, like, the talent has complimented the host so frequently. I feel like she probably got a date last night.
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She better.
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Well, I mean, she did date Travis.
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So I know people forget that I was gonna mention it, but, like, I just. I didn't want it to, like, eclipse everything she did last night, you know?
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B
Now we can go for the winner. Sorry.
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A
Oh, but the fashion. Did you want to talk about the fashion on the red carpet or just the carpet itself?
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B
Just the Balenciaga and then the carpet, like. Because I'm always talking about the entertainment journalists. Like, justice for people who study entertainment journalism. Like, good luck getting a job.
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A
Yeah. So backwards to forwards. Best motion picture, musical or comedy. So in the Oscars, this is one category. Best motion picture. At the Golden Globe Globes. It's two. We have best motion picture, musical or comedy, and that went to Amelia Perez.
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B
It's, like, really crazy just given what I know about the film.
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A
Yeah. I didn't see any of the other movies except for Wicked, and I don't think Wicked should have won for this. I love Wicked and it's the only movie that I saw. But, like, you know, I can. I acknowledge that, like, other movies could be the best in this category. Anora Challengers, A Real Pain and the substance.
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B
Also, have you been seeing, like, the drama with an aura?
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A
I never heard of an aura until last night.
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So that very beautiful girl who is a star, she has done a bunch of interviews that there wasn't an intimacy coordinator on set. And it's just like, it's kind of weird. And she talks about it in a positive way. She's like, but everybody made me feel so. But, like, why? Like, literally, why is it not a SAG production? Like, where the is sag?
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I don't know. But also, then do, like, smaller budget productions, like, have to cut corners on stuff like that.
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B
I don't give a. Like, get rid of craft services.
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A
Like, I'm imagining it's like an indie movie.
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B
I don't think it is.
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A
Get rid of craft services, starve, cast into lighting other corners.
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B
You could cut other corners.
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A
Yeah. Next, most best motion picture drama went to the Brutalist, which was the Adrien Brody movie, which from the awards show. Two things emerged that I want to maybe watch that I added to my plate. The Brutalist and Shogun. I think I would start with Shogun. I think I would like that the best.
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B
I love to see Adrien Brody, like, out and about. I feel like he doesn't really leave his house a lot and seeing him with his lady love, Georgina Chapman.
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A
But, yeah, I will never get over that. I need more jokes about Adrian Brody at award shows so that I could get more eyes on Adrian and Georgina. And when he won I was like, is he gonna mention. And it's so crazy because like, she's Harvey Weinstein's ex wife for those who don't know. But she's also the creative director of Marqueza. Like she's a very accomplished woman. She's so beautiful. And she went from Harvey and she's.
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B
Like an age appropriate like, like get for him. It's. It's literally a perfect match. I couldn't. I just wish she was Jewish. Like, that's it. But I'll get over it.
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A
She went from Harvey to Adrian. So she's like loving life.
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B
And seriously, she deserves peace.
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A
And not only did he say like, shout out to Georgina, like he gave her such a glowing.
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B
They've been together for a while.
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A
They've been together three years now. And I just, I really, really ship. So the Brutalist looks good because it's about some architect who emigrated Jewish who emigrated from Hungary to the US and built his career. It's a three and a half hour movie though. So, you know, Turdy's not seeing it.
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B
One thing about Adrian Brody, like, he is going to tell the story of our people. I love him.
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A
No, I seriously love him so much.
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B
So is now an appropriate time to tell the story about the time I was seated next to Adrian Brody at a dinner party and I had absolutely no idea who he was. Jackie looked so different. And I got seated next to him and I was like, what do you do? He's like, I'm an artist. And I guess that's like what an actor would say. He said, I'm an artist. So I thought he like painted. I'm like, oh, like sculptures are painting. And he was like, like both. And then he left.
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A
That is so funny. It was a humble party. I think he referenced it last night in his acceptance speech because he said like a few years ago, like, I thought I was done. And there was. That was a theme. And I love when this happens. Like, Demi Moore won best actress and she's been a working actress for 40 years and she's never won an award like this. So like I. That reminded me of Jennifer Coolidge when like someone just gets their shine in their moment. And then for she hadn't won, I'm like, right, exactly. I'm like, if Adrien Brody felt like, like, like he couldn't act anymore, like, who can?
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B
No, it's so true. I loved Demi Moore's speech.
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A
Me as well. And I won't watch her movie with Margaret Qualley, but it looks like interesting.
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B
I actually think I might watch it. I. I found myself being really dazzled by Margaret Qualley last night. I know her, obviously.
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A
She was one of my best dressed.
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B
Me too. And I saw a lot of, like, hate for her dress. I guess she, like, wears a lot of, like, boring Chanel looks a lot. Because she's a Chanel face.
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A
Seriously, Goals.
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B
Yeah. Like, I thought she looked so gorgeous. Her hair and makeup was sick. She. I thought she was dazzling. And I. I was actually like. I think her interview with Zuri, like, left the biggest impact on me. I was like, oh, my God, I love this girl. I could actually see her, like, hanging out with Taylor and being a swirly. Up until this point, I thought she was, like, kind of serious. I don't know. And like, her and Jack are like kind of granola.
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A
They just. They just looked like it.
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B
Yeah, they just looked like kind of like. Like people I wouldn't hang out with, you know? Yeah. But then I saw her personality. She has that swirl. Then you have to remember she's Andy McDowell's daughter. Like, I know these things don't just happen.
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A
I know, but it's just like you said about Paige, like, when you're Annie McDowell's daughter and that you're that gorgeous and talented, like, do you also have to have a busting personality? No, no.
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B
But she's a really interesting example because she's obviously like a Nepo baby, where. What are we calling Nepo babies who, like, so far eclipse their parents in stardom. Because I think. And I think Margaret Qualley is more famous than Andie McDowell has ever been.
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A
And I think that that when we have the Nepo baby conversation and we talk about people who only got to where they got because of their parents and not for their talent, we also need to talk about this category of person. Like, even Gwyneth Paltrow, right?
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B
Yes. Similar to Margaret Qualley, I feel like, is Maya Hawk. I think she gets like, a lot of the Nepo baby combo. Ethan Hawke and what, Kira Sedgwick's.
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A
No, Kira Sedgwick is Kevin Bacon.
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B
Literally same thing. Okay.
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A
Yes.
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B
Actually. Yes. So she, to me, is like classic Nepo. You know, she's like, in stuff. She's not like, you know, rocking. And especially she's not even close to her parents level. But Margaret Qualley is really. Yeah, a list Oscar, nominated, really kind of making moves.
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A
Making moves. Best motion picture animated went to Flow. Best cinematic and box office achievement went to Wicked, which is the award that it should win if it was Going to. In any award. And they added it last year, I think, for Barbie.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So we got to have our Wicked moment.
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B
Yeah. Cynthia and Ariana both lost and John Chu wasn't nominated for director. And it definitely felt like, because we have to think about how far the Golden Globes has come. Like the fact that we're all talking about. And I think a lot of people watched it when a few years ago it actually was taken off air and the. The Golden Globes association was like on the verge of shutting down and then people in Hollywood, like, lobbied to get it back. So I think that they're very conscious of, like remaining, you know, upper tier, upper echelon, artsy, cinematic. And to give out any awards to a movie like Wicked that had such commercial success, I feel like they're afraid to do. And so, yes, they obviously won this category, but this category is meaningless, honestly. Like, it's.
- [85:45]
A
And I actually, even though Wicked was really the only piece of work that I saw in the entire show. So you would think. I think it should win everything. They didn't even need this. It's nice that the girls were nominated so that they could go to the show and Wicked could be included in these conversations. But it's like, like, I'm okay without Wicked hat. Like, or if Barbie hadn't had that moment, like, you know, you made all the money. Enjoy that These people have a statue.
- [86:07]
B
I just feel like Golden Globes is, like, afraid to engage with Wicked because it's considered like, low brow and commercial. So if there was an award show that they weren't going to get any awards, it was going to be this one. But I think like, Ariana and Cynthia, like, definitely have a chance at winning other more.
- [86:20]
A
You think so prestigious.
- [86:21]
B
I do. Like, I don't think the Oscars give a. If somebody from a commercially successful film film wins.
- [86:26]
A
Why do you feel like the Golden Globes is more artistic than the Oscars?
- [86:29]
B
It's not more artistic, but I feel like they had. They're more afraid because they were like, literally taken off air. Nobody was listening. And they were largely for many years, like, considered like, losery because they did TV and film. And they are now, like, making a comeback. And so they're more protective of their brand, thus not wanting to engage. And that's why they had a stupid category made for Wicked so they don't have to give it to give the prestigious awards to the movies like Wicked.
- [86:53]
A
By the way, I think the fact that it's TV and film is what makes it a really good Award show now, because, like, to us, it's the same thing. I don't know which of these is a movie, which of these is a show. And we get to cover more categories. We get to see more people. And the Oscars then kind of feels like half of this because TV is movies now. It's all the same.
- [87:11]
B
I agree. And that's. I love. Nikki Glaser said that in a very funny way. Just being like, the big movie stars are here. Colin Farrell. And the big TV star is Colin Farrell. It's actually amazing. And I think for so long, like, TV was looked down upon. And that's largely why, like, the Golden Globes have had, like, kind of, like a tacky sort of vibe to them.
- [87:27]
A
They're coming up with television.
- [87:29]
B
When you think about what people are actually watching, when you're thinking about what's actually making money, like, it's tv.
- [87:34]
A
Yeah, it is.
- [87:35]
B
And it's like these miniseries. Like, when I think I look at Anya Taylor Joy, she's like one of the. She's like a movie star. Right. She started. Sorry. Queen's Gambit. Like, that was a TV show.
- [87:43]
A
She is the Queen's Gambit.
- [87:44]
B
It. Yeah. She'll never not be Beth Harmon.
- [87:47]
A
That will never not be, like, the single greatest piece of art that we've been given as consumers.
- [87:52]
B
I tend to agree.
- [87:53]
A
Yeah. I want to watch it again. Best motion picture, non English language. Amelia Perez, France. So make it make sense.
- [88:01]
B
Right? Right.
- [88:02]
A
Best performance by a female actor in a motion picture drama. Fernando Fernanda Torres. I'm still here. That's a big category. And I'm not. I did not know her.
- [88:11]
B
Me neither.
- [88:11]
A
Best performance by a male actor in a motion picture drama. Our boyfriend, Adrien Brody, the Brutalist. The only reason why, like, I would have liked to see Timothee Chalamet win is to see if he would thank his lady love.
- [88:23]
B
But someone needs to tell both Timothy and Club Chalamet that, like, that movie is winning no awards. I can't believe he was even nominated. I have heard not one thing, good or bad.
- [88:33]
A
The movie came out. It's gotten nominated. Like, enough time has passed for it to be in the nomination because I feel like we're still talking about them filming it. He's seen on the streets with a guitar case.
- [88:43]
B
No, I didn't even know it came out. Like, that's how nobody moved.
- [88:45]
A
Yeah.
- [88:46]
B
Let me just say something, Jackie, because we're nearing on 90 minutes. Your cards are still running.
- [88:49]
A
My cards are still running.
- [88:51]
B
Just good, good, good.
- [88:52]
A
Okay. Best performance by a female actor in a motion picture, musical or comedy. To me, more the substance, which I thought was such a great moment.
- [88:58]
B
I thought it was a great moment. I. I do want to see that movie. And I thought she made such a great speech about, like, you know, being told her whole career. Because when you think about. To me, you obviously think, like, like, yeah, blockbuster. And you think of it as a good. As a good way. But I didn't know it was like this thing that was sort of like, beaten, like she got beat down with. By people in the industry being like, you'll never be serious, like, go make another blockbuster popcorn movie. And this. And when we talk about her resurgence, I really feel like we cannot talk about it without talking about Landman. Brad. Brad Goreski's impact.
- [89:26]
A
What?
- [89:27]
B
Yes. Oh, I feel like so much of.
- [89:29]
A
Where does he come in?
- [89:31]
B
He's your stylist. And, like, I think he's a new stylist. And I think that people really started paying attention to Demi, like, last year year when she was, like, looking really good and hot. And I saw all these Brad Goreski, like, stylist videos. And I feel like so much of her comeback obviously has to do with the work that she did, but also, like, the. The pussy she's popping. And I think Brad Gretzky only started working with her, like, I. I feels like a year ago. And it was like this huge impact, kind of how we all, like, we're looking at Lindsay Lohan being like, damn, girl, what are you doing? It felt like it had a Lindsay vibe to it.
- [89:57]
A
She had a damn girl moment.
- [89:58]
B
She had a glow up.
- [90:00]
A
Yeah, I missed all that. But I'm happy to be here now. And she's also in Landman, so it just feels like she's pounding the pavement.
- [90:07]
B
Landman's on my plate. Oh, and Billy Bob Thornton was there.
- [90:09]
A
Billy Bob Thornton.
- [90:10]
B
So was Angelina. Do you think that was weird?
- [90:12]
A
Really crazy.
- [90:13]
B
I know.
- [90:14]
A
That's really crazy. Best performance by a male actor in a motion picture, musical or comedy. Sebastian, Stan. A Different Man. Best performance by female actor in a sporting role, motion picture. Zoe Saldana. Emilia Perez, which was exciting for her. It's the same demeanor, vibe.
- [90:27]
B
I love her. I don't know anything about the movie. I love Zoe. She was so emphatic in her speech. I was like, oh, my God, she really wanted this.
- [90:35]
A
Oh, wait, I forgot about that.
- [90:36]
B
That. Yeah, she was, like, really zealous, and it must mean a lot to her for a multitude of reasons, but pop off Queen center stage is a head.
- [90:47]
A
And then best TV series, Shogun. So I think I'm watching Shogun.
- [90:52]
B
Yeah. Ben will not like let me rest until we watch it.
- [90:54]
A
Okay, great. Maybe we could like do it together.
- [90:56]
B
Yeah.
- [90:57]
A
Best TV series, musical or comedy. Hacks, always a good choice.
- [91:01]
B
Love to see Jean smart and hacks like constantly getting their flowers. Like it's just a good, safe choice.
- [91:07]
A
By the way, best TV limited series, baby Reindeer, which I need to know your thoughts. He won.
- [91:13]
B
He won. She won. And oh no, no, she won. And the show won.
- [91:17]
A
Yes.
- [91:18]
B
I have to say I actually agreed that she should have won. She was excellent. Even though I didn't like the show, I felt it was like really dark. Not necessarily that it's a bad show, but it was not the right show for me. Right. I thought she was an excellent actress and it was like her first big break and I, I, I'm happy. She won. He won and then he gave this like really weird speech about stories that dark never get made and we need to get comfortable being uncomfortable. And I just feel like that's literally not true.
- [91:45]
A
Everything that we're watching is making us uncomfortable. Like please bring back just like regular degular bright shows. And Liz woods was posting about this too. And that's always what I say. Everything that I watch like makes it's just like depressing and dark and that's not how I want to feel. The thing that isn't though is reality tv. And I think that's why when I have a chance to watch tv, I watch a lot of reality tv. It's just like fun. Can we bring back fun? And I think that's why people love movies like Wicked and Barbie movie where it's just like bright and fun and like not everything has to be dark all the time. These things are supposed to be an.
- [92:16]
B
Escape a thousand percent. Now having said that, like the actual story of baby reindeer is so crazy and the fact that it happened to this guy and it was like this really fucking like life altering event and he decided to like turn it into art. Like that's a beautiful story and, and I'm happy for him.
- [92:30]
A
I don't know what the event is. He was stalked.
- [92:32]
B
He had a crazy stalker. And when, when, when they, they were like sharing fun facts last night, people would win.
- [92:38]
A
That was the sideline reporters was a crazy touch. And the fun facts, but the fun.
- [92:43]
B
Facts were not fun. However, one of the fun facts I did find interesting was that like when he was stalked because emails were like a huge part of the show and like his Stock talking. He was sent over the however long period of time. 41, 000 emails by this crazy lady who is now suing Netflix, by the way, for like, you know, telling her story in a way that she didn't approve.
- [93:00]
A
Okay. The stalker let the court stuke it out.
- [93:05]
B
More.
- [93:06]
A
You want more?
- [93:08]
B
Not really.
- [93:09]
A
Okay. Like, you get the gist. It was fine.
- [93:11]
B
You know, they watched it or you didn't. Ariane and Cynthia lost. Like, that was for me, like, big.
- [93:15]
A
Yeah. It kicked off award season, so we'll have like, more of this. And it was totally fine. Which is like. That's the headline. It was totally fine.
- [93:23]
B
I just want to say I don't. Every time I watch a Golden Globes, I'm really shocked that Steve Martin and Martin Short get nominated every year and they never win. And having recently.
- [93:30]
A
That's because how could you pick one? Who would you pick?
- [93:33]
B
Martin Short. He is so funny. Having just recently watched a new season and I don't think all the seasons have been amazing. I think the first was good. The second. I think the first was great. The second was good, the third was bad. The fourth was great. I like. I. When will they win? And seriously, Martin Short deserves it. Give it to Marty.
- [93:49]
A
They'll probably win in their last season. That's what they like to do.
- [93:53]
B
Yeah. On their way out.
- [93:54]
A
Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Totally switching gears.
- [93:58]
B
Yes.
- [93:59]
A
Because love is in the air. Perchance Molly Mae and Tommy Fury were spotted kissing on New Year's Eve five months after they split. So right now is actually, like, high time for Molly Mae fans. I. I'm wearing maybe today. That's just a. A complete coincidence.
- [94:12]
B
It's a fun fact about you.
- [94:13]
A
Her docu series is coming out in two short weeks. It's all about maybe the Tommy split, the Molly of it all. But now they're spotted kissing on New Year's Eve. Like, what does this mean? Was what he did forgivable? Why were we all under the assumption it wasn't?
- [94:28]
B
Because it's not.
- [94:29]
A
But we don't even know what he did.
- [94:30]
B
Yeah, we do. Because.
- [94:31]
A
Just freaky girl. That girl. Did you see?
- [94:34]
B
That's just one person's story.
- [94:36]
A
By the way, I think I sent you a video of that girl talking about her dirty underwear.
- [94:39]
B
Yeah.
- [94:40]
A
Claudia.
- [94:41]
B
Jackie, the girl's disgusting.
- [94:43]
A
Claudia.
- [94:44]
B
So the fact that Tommy was willing to literally throw his entire beautiful life away, not that, you know, he would. Should do it for anyone, but this.
- [94:51]
A
Girl in particular, I just want to say I am also, like, not believing that girl, at face value, you're holding.
- [94:56]
B
Space for her being a liar.
- [94:57]
A
She looks like a big fat liar. Like one of the most morally bankrupt people I've ever witnessed on my phone.
- [95:05]
B
But we do know that he did cheat. Yeah.
- [95:07]
A
Yeah, I don't think he didn't cheat. But anyway, so we don't know exactly what happened. She literally dropped him in a day. It was that bad. And now she is kissing him on New Year's Eve. Now, is it just like a. A friendly nostalgic kiss what brought them to the same party?
- [95:20]
B
Right. I am holding space for, like, you know, trusting my fave. Right. I know Molly is going to make the best decision for her and her family, but I'm really struggling because at the end of the day, I don't believe that infidelity is the end all, be all for every relationship. I think people really can change and people can work through it, and it's really, really hard. Having said that, and this is based on information. Yes. From that girl. So I'm. I may be working with false information, but what she had said was that he. She was the third or fourth. Fourth girl Tommy had sex with that night. And, you know. Yeah.
- [95:53]
A
So here's the thing. Every.
- [95:55]
B
Every, like, then Tommy would be suing her. He didn't just say.
- [96:00]
A
I guess I don't believe that girl at face value. Not at all.
- [96:03]
B
However, maybe everything she's saying is a lie.
- [96:05]
A
But, like, what. Maybe there's a percentage of truth. But what if. Say this. What if Tommy has a drinking problem? Not to slander him, but don't worry, I'll work through it. What if Tommy has a really bad drinking problem and he gets drunk and he sleeps with four or five girls in one night and now he. In the last five months, like, he is seriously gone. Tree. Have gotten sober and, like, when he doesn't drink, that doesn't happen. Happen. Could you take him back? Well, not you, but, like, could Molly, if he's not gonna drink again, it would not happen again. Say.
- [96:31]
B
No, I. I actually, I think that, like, that is even harder to deal with with a newborn.
- [96:36]
A
Well, not a newborn, allegedly.
- [96:38]
B
Yeah, right.
- [96:39]
A
Let me just throw.
- [96:39]
B
No, I don't. I don't think so. Also, I don't. I don't know that he's an alcoholic. Because when you're in, like. No, I'm not saying.
- [96:46]
A
I'm just. I'm just presenting a theory that would show you how there could be a path forward. Just to say that there would be paths. Not that. That's the one I'm torn between, like.
- [96:56]
B
Wanting a family to come together and, like, reunite, while also, like, men who behave like this, like, absolutely need to be punished. Harsher punishment for parole violators, you know?
- [97:06]
A
Yeah, yeah. I just. I really do trust my fave on this. I trust.
- [97:11]
B
I know.
- [97:12]
A
So I'm also.
- [97:13]
B
Sometimes you need to learn a lesson, like, three or four times before it sticks. That happens a lot with people who, you know, get back together with sort of serial cheaters. Now we don't know if he's a serial cheater. It was something that happened one time, very Steve Brady esque.
- [97:26]
A
Like, do you think Miranda should have taken back Steve?
- [97:29]
B
Yes, but I think she was totally valid in literally taking a whole last year and getting a new apartment. Like, he needed to learn his lesson. Like, people need to be taught.
- [97:36]
A
Yeah. Well, I. I'm gonna wait for the docu series because I do imagine she will tell us what happened in the docu series. Otherwise, like, why film a. Document stories at this moment in time, you know? Yeah, I know she's also doing it for her clothing brand, but, like, I feel like that would be the right safe form for her to share. Leaving or, you know, paint us. Yeah, Paint a vague, abstract picture. I don't need to know the details. I mean, yeah, like, to.
- [98:02]
B
But this is tough. I. I'm gonna. We're always saying to trust your faves and, like, this is a practical application of policy.
- [98:10]
A
And I'm trusting.
- [98:13]
B
I'm struggling.
- [98:13]
A
I'm trusting my faith. And when I do that, this makes me happy. Do you know what I mean? Because my thing.
- [98:19]
B
I'm having a hard time seeing him as anything other than, like, slimy and gross these days. That's. That's where I'm coming from.
- [98:25]
A
Yeah, but. But Molly wouldn't kiss someone slimy and gross.
- [98:30]
B
You love who you love. Love is blind. Love who you love and don't ever miss.
- [98:38]
A
So Happy New Year. I feel like for Tommy and Molly and I don't feel this way about Paige and Craig. Surprisingly, when I look in inward, I feel like for Tommy, Molly, like, there's no one else for either of them.
- [98:50]
B
It'll never be over. Yeah.
- [98:51]
A
You know what I mean? Like, I don't see Molly with the next guy. Like, it's her and Tommy, and I don't see Tommy with the next girl. But I don't know. Maybe I'm just. Maybe it's not even them in the picture. Even though it's here, it looks like them. She wore her hair half up Half down. But maybe she has a tight. Maybe she has a tight.
- [99:12]
B
Because also right before this video was released, there was a lot of rumors that they were spotted at a mall together holding hands. There was no proof, so we were, like, waiting. And then this. So it was kind of. It is. It is great.
- [99:22]
A
So let's see. Let us see.
- [99:24]
B
Great.
- [99:25]
A
July. What month is it? January 17th. The doc drops Amazon Prime. See you there. Oh, that's that soon that should be nominated for a globe.
- [99:33]
B
And that's how Molly.
- [99:34]
A
And then our fifth and final story is such exciting news. Women, the business world from the business world, from the fashion world. Kristen use check has partnered with Emma Greed to launch her brand off season, which is a sports apparel brand born from Christian's viral DIY looks. And what's, of course, getting Kristen's brand finally to market is so exciting. But the fact that she's partnered with Emma, who is also the partner on skims and good American and the Kardashians go to fashion swirly, like, just bodes so well for the health of the company.
- [100:04]
B
If you watch Shark Tank, she's like a very popular guest shark. She is like, She's a billionaire, I believe.
- [100:11]
A
Yeah. She also does safely.
- [100:13]
B
Safely. She's like the go to Kardashian business girly. But before that, she had, like, it even more impressive resume. That.
- [100:19]
A
Right. That's how she got it. But now it's like everything she touches turns to gold.
- [100:24]
B
We all knew that Kristen use check, because she got her NFL license, was working on some sort of, like, line, like, consumer. Consumer focused line. And I figured she would, like, work with someone. I didn't know if it was gonna be, like, a brand she partnered with, like, a kmart line. That would have been cool if you would have asked me what's, like, the coolest, best person she could have partnered with. I wouldn't have even. I couldn't have even come up with this idea because it's so good and I'm so dumb. But when I heard it, I was like, oh, parfait.
- [100:47]
A
Parfait.
- [100:48]
B
Yes.
- [100:48]
A
Better than we could have imagined. I think, like, we all want the world for Christine Ushack, not only because she. She's a gorgeous, wonderful party girl, but because she's so talented. Like, we want those clothes, but she can only do so much with her sewing machine. So, like, getting them to market is important, but also in a way, like building a fashion brand. As we said, like, it's so. It's hard and it's expensive and warehouses and distribution and. And then you had all these teams too, like, right. Having to make all this custom apparel like by team, by size, but it's just a lot so that she's partnered with the right person who makes the these things happen. Like, ugh, beautiful.
- [101:24]
B
It's in partnership with Emma Green but also with fanatics, which is like the official sports apparel.
- [101:27]
A
And that shouldn't have done. You know, the July 4th guy.
- [101:30]
B
Can't wait to see Kristen. You check at the July 4th party.
- [101:32]
A
Can't wait to see Christian use Check.
- [101:34]
B
She could not have gotten in bed with better people. This is so cute. Mine's in on on the way. I actually got an email about, like, sizing and address. I don't. I wonder which one they're gonna give me. They're probably gonna give me.
- [101:45]
A
Oh, you got P.R. i'm like, you ordered it.
- [101:47]
B
It. No, no, no. I got PR. Yeah, that's right. Well, it hasn't. It hasn't showed up yet. I feel like they're gonna give me Kyle number 44. I feel like a vest or maybe a jacket because I live in New York. Whatever. I'm so excited. The shade is so cute. It's pricey, but it's. It's like, it's. I think maybe the first brand when it comes to like NFL licensing and like sportswear that's a little bit more high fashion. It's not just like merch.
- [102:10]
A
Yeah. But also the amount that men pay for their faves jersey is a lot. Those jerseys are expensive. And like, for women, you buy a T shirt for a game, you don't wear the same T shirt every game. But now this is something that you could wear to every single game in the season. Outerwear, the off season.
- [102:25]
B
Yeah. The name is off season, which is really cute. And I love the way they're rolling it out. I don't know if you saw the 49ers game last night. Her husband was wearing a vest. And then George Kittle, who's like the other tight end on his team who's like huge, was also wearing a vest, like with their custom. So they're jerseys, too. So the numbers are on the front and the last names are on the back. Back. It was so like, I'm just loving the rollout.
- [102:46]
A
Do you know the price point?
- [102:48]
B
Yeah, I think it's like, like 300. Which, by the way, for like a puffer jacket that's going to keep you warm, like an outdoor jacket. I don't know how warm it like what the insulation is like, but that's like, kind of a good price for a real puffer jacket.
- [103:00]
A
You don't know the insulation, really?
- [103:02]
B
No, no. But I'll let you know when I get my. When I get my pr.
- [103:06]
A
I. I'm so excited. That's so great. But also, this is making me realize that there is one other piece of news that we have to talk about on this episode. Not to make it two hours, but, like, people are waiting. Megan's trailer dropped for the show With Love. Megan. We talked about the trailer a little bit on Patreon, but we owe you guys a little bit of our initial thoughts because her show is premiering on Netflix any day now.
- [103:26]
B
The name is With Love Megan, which.
- [103:27]
A
I actually don't like, comma Megan.
- [103:29]
B
This is. Yeah, that's the only part of this I don't like. I don't like the comma. And you guys know I love comma usage.
- [103:35]
A
It should be With Love. No, no, comma Megan.
- [103:37]
B
No, no. It shouldn't be the title.
- [103:39]
A
Of course, title requires cooking with the Dutch. Duchess.
- [103:42]
B
Yeah, Like, Duchess oven or something.
- [103:44]
A
The Duchess. I love that. The Duchess Kitchen. Like, come on.
- [103:49]
B
Yeah. No, it's the only thing I don't like.
- [103:51]
A
It's so disingenuous. Is that a word?
- [103:54]
B
The name Disingenuous?
- [103:56]
A
The name With Love. Like, stop it.
- [103:58]
B
No. And if you need, like, a pause in your title, it's just not gonna work, because the way people talk, it's like Shogun.
- [104:04]
A
I watch Disingenuous.
- [104:07]
B
I watched With Love.
- [104:08]
A
I watched it with Megan last night.
- [104:11]
B
I don't. I just don't like it. So that's my only critique. But let me tell you, I gasped when the trailer dropped. I feel like this is exactly what you and I have been requesting from her. And of all the business projects she's done upon Megxit, so many of them have felt, like, really random and not Pargy. And this is Parji. She's a homemaker. She, like, lives on a farm with her chicken. She's feeding her children. She hosts a lot. She's rich and beautiful, and. And this is what I want to see. Like, thank. You know, I don't need to see you, like, talking to Gloria Steinem. Like, this is what I want.
- [104:41]
A
Well, I think she's, like, cooking with Gloria Steinem, which I've said. Like, I hate that. Like, I want to see you sat in your kitchen talking to me. Not Mindy Kaling, not your friends, who I don't know. Not you teaching someone else. I want you teaching me when I first Saw the trailer. Like, I. This is the exact type of content we've wanted from her, but also wanted in general. Like, we want more like, pargylicious shows, Joanna Jeans lifestyle, Bring us into your home. Make it warm comfort creators, as we say. And so I'm so glad that that's what she's doing. However, as I said on the Patreon, like, what the show needs, and we'll have to watch episodes to find out, is substance. Like, it needs, like, heart. We need to be hearing from her. Like, I want real words. I don't want word salad. I want salad, but I want real words being spoken. Like, I really feel like we need to. Like, she needs to open up to us, the viewers.
- [105:25]
B
Yeah.
- [105:26]
A
Because that's how, like, you endear yourself and how you. How you become someone's comfort. So I feel like, like, the potential here is so endless and for such beauty. Beauty. And I'm really excited to watch it. However, she needs to give us, like, more than she's ever given us. More than archetypes. No, it's scripted, not phony. Like, no phoning. It can. Moments that you're pretending are candid, but they're canned. Like, I want to let be let in.
- [105:51]
B
I completely agree. I also. I do. I do agree with your assessment that, like, cooking shows with guests as a format is really not something I'm particularly interested in. And so I was a little disappointed to see, like, the random guests. Obviously, I love Mindy Kaling, so I'm not talking about that, but it just felt like, who can we call to get? And it's like, why don't you just give us an episode, just you, you know, enough, Megan, Why don't you give.
- [106:09]
A
Us a season, just you? And then eventually you run out of things to make you bring a guest. Fine, Ina does it. But I want to get to know you. I don't want to see your friendship with Melee Kaling. Like, I genuinely don't give a shit.
- [106:20]
B
The backlash has been swift, and I have heard, like, some real, like, out of, out of control, like, critiques. Like, I feel like what we're criticizing is just, like, format wise, like, it's so.
- [106:32]
A
And because we have a very high bar for it.
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B
But, like, the criticisms have been like, I've seen so many people being like, are you kidding? Meghan Markle? Like, there's people that are dying. People can't pay their bills. Like, the country's in shambles. Like, well, yes, all of that is true. Why is that? Meghan Markle's Well, I'm like, the gold. The Golden Globes were on last night.
- [106:46]
A
Okay. I just want to say I. I saw some criticisms like that and did make me stop and think, because, like, you have to remember, they Mexican five years ago. They left a life of service and duty and, like, giving back to their community. And they were going. They, like, were acting like they could do more outside of the family. And like, this isn't doing any. This isn't helping people in solving world hunger, which you don't need to do as a human being.
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B
I don't give a fuck.
- [107:10]
A
But, like, that's what they have, like, presented themselves as. So now for.
- [107:14]
B
This is her first, like, entertainment focused project.
- [107:16]
A
So, like, yeah, we're calling it. Like, you guys. Don't. Don't. Aren't doing philanthropy. Not like, I never needed them to come here. They didn't need that, but they've always billed themselves as that. So, like, to go from that to now, just like, straight entertainment, you know, we're not even pretending.
- [107:32]
B
Okay, let me ask you a question.
- [107:33]
A
We're gonna waste food instead of giving it.
- [107:36]
B
Let me ask you a question, because I feel like a really fair comparison a lot of people make in terms of their level of celebrity is very similar to the Obamas, right? Like formerly in service, friends with lots of famous people. If Michelle Obama had a cooking show, like, do you think it would be, like, distasteful?
- [107:51]
A
No, no, because they did their service. No, it's. It's not a good comparison in this regard because they get that comparison because they were going on to do a life of service. They just got married. They barely did anything while they were in the uk and then they left to say we could do more and we could be more impactful, more constrained, and instead they're making cooking shows. Whereas, like, the Obamas, like, did their time, they gave their service to the country, and now if you want to go do a cooking show, so do whatever the. You want that. So, no, it's not the same. It's just like, then you should have been real five years ago when you left that, like, we are here to go to Hollywood, which we all knew. And I think that's why people were, like, annoyed with them for being so phony. Like, no, we're not. But now, like, yeah, you are. And the thing is, like, that's what we wanted. Her back in Hollywood. She was our star.
- [108:36]
B
It's true. It's so true. Oh, and then a lot of the. The commentary saying, like, how inauthentic this is. And I actually think a lot of people forget that, like, Megan actually had a real. It wasn't so popular in the States, but when she was living in Vancouver, she was, like, a really popular influencer there with the Tig. It was like a blog that was, like, very lifestyle focused. Lots of, like, gardening, cooking, very similar. She should have called this the Tig, actually. That would have been a good name.
- [108:58]
A
That would have been an amazing name. And really full circle. And her saying, like, yeah, I want to go back to being the person that I was before all of that. It didn't work out. And Harry wasn't happy either, and he's not been happy in that role in a long time. So, like, we're gonna do My life now. And I feel like that honesty would have been appreciated. Would be appreciated now. And that's where it gets to be, like, inauthentic. But calling the show inauthentic, you can't say until you've watched it. Like, can this woman cook? That's all I care.
- [109:23]
B
No. But she also didn't, like, pick up one day and decide to, like, get into lifestyle content. Like, she actually has a passion content. Yeah. And so that is really working on her side. And the Tig would have been such a good name. The Tig with Megan, the Tig.
- [109:34]
A
I. I really do love it.
- [109:36]
B
It.
- [109:36]
A
I think it, like, seriously launches any day.
- [109:39]
B
She's also going for, like, the sort of Madonna like, thing where her Instagram that she launched is at Megan. Her show. Like, she wanted her name in the title, just Megan. So I think she's going for, like, kind of this one name wonder type of thing, which I kind of like. There isn't, like, a Megan. Who do you think is the most famous Megan? Her. Right? She in competition with anyone?
- [109:56]
A
Well, now that you say it, like, Megan Moroney, you know.
- [110:01]
B
Okay, so they're not on the same level, so.
- [110:03]
A
No, like, now that you. Now that you keep saying Megan, Megan, but honestly, I don't know. Let's see if it sticks. Maybe it's a good PR move, but I feel like there were other names she could like. Sussex is strong. And you're not competing, like, Sussex Kitchen.
- [110:17]
B
I kind of like that.
- [110:18]
A
You know? Like, I just. They actually have a lot of names between them because they have Prince Harry, Royal Highness, Duke, Duchess Sussex, Sussex Windsor, Mountbatten, Archetype Arc. You know, they've got a lot of names in their world, so there was a lot to work with. And instead we got With Love Meghan and American Riviera.
- [110:38]
B
Orchard because we've been podcasting for an attorney.
- [110:41]
A
I'm about to pee in my pants.
- [110:42]
B
Quickly. Oh, I'm just, like, quickly checking page six to make sure, like, nothing broke, right? Oh, the only thing we need to talk about was Zendaya wearing an engagement ring on the red carpet, which was parchy. And she also accidentally lifted her arm and showed us that she got a tattoo, which is a little tea.
- [110:56]
A
Oh, cute. It's so funny. She wears an engagement ring on the red carpet. And, like, for some reason it's still like, well, are they engaged? And it's like, yeah.
- [111:02]
B
Well, because celebrities wear, like, the only.
- [111:05]
A
Ring that fit her finger.
- [111:06]
B
But no, there's pictures of her, like, showing the ring to people at the. So she's totally engaged. I love them. I hope. I love that they protect their privacy. I hope she never announces it. Like, bitch, it's literally none of our business.
- [111:14]
A
Yeah, but same doesn't go for Kylie and Timothy. Like, give us more. It's time. It's been two years.
- [111:20]
B
She looked insane.
- [111:21]
A
She is insane. When she was just, like, smiling next to him, laughing at the jokes of Nikki Glazer. Like, oh, my God. I. I need Kylie cam at these of orange.
- [111:30]
B
Agreed. Okay. We did it.
- [111:33]
A
Two hours.
- [111:34]
B
Nilafi. That is our show.
- [111:36]
A
I started the new year by drinking so much water, so I've already drank one whole one of these. And this is my for you body. I'm gonna pee my pants. We can't do long episodes like this if I want to be hydrated.
- [111:43]
B
Well, by the way, you can go. I'm wrapping up. Go. Thank you so much for listening to the toast and Monday morning show where we Deliver the Fast5 stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching this on YouTube, please subscribe to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcasts anywhere podcast we found so that Spotify tune stitcher public video. I already castbox all the places to podcast my house to to five star be about a beautiful about outstanding and about how wickedly talented we are.
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A
Love ya. Bye.