Shattering The Glass Ozone: Tuesday, April 15th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast – "Shattering The Glass Ozone"

Episode Overview In the April 15, 2025, episode of The Toast titled "Shattering The Glass Ozone," hosts Jackie and Claudia Oshry delve into a variety of topics ranging from celebrity relationships and reality TV critiques to significant news stories involving space exploration and Hollywood figures. The conversation is lively, filled with humor, personal anecdotes, and insightful commentary, making it engaging for both regular listeners and newcomers.

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1. Beverage Banter: The Lacroix Conundrum

The episode kicks off with a light-hearted discussion about the hosts' beverage preferences. Claudia shares her transition from iced coffee to Lacroix sparkling water, prompted by social concerns about ice in her drinks. However, when her local store ran out of Lacroix, she reluctantly opted for another bubbly alternative:

• Claudia (00:38): "I am drinking bubbly, but just know it's not by choice. I'm merely a victim of circumstance."

Jackie ribingly supports Claudia's predicament, suggesting humorous fixes like taping over logos to avoid scrutiny.

• Jackie (01:13): "You need to put a piece of tape over the logo."

Their banter continues with comparisons of various sparkling water brands, revealing preferences and humorous frustrations with packaging and taste.

2. Caroline Wozniacki and Rory McIlroy: A Breakup Recap

The hosts transition to discussing the recent news about former tennis star Caroline Wozniacki and golfer Rory McIlroy. They dissect the nature of their breakup, emphasizing Rory's abrupt decision to call off their wedding shortly after sending out invitations:

• Claudia (03:33): "They were engaged to be married, and literally, the second they sent out their wedding invitations two days later, he called off the wedding."

Jackie highlights the fallout and public statements made by Rory, expressing sympathy for Caroline's circumstances and contrasting him unfavorably with David Lee, praising Lee's stature both personally and professionally.

• Jackie (04:01): "She's obviously so much better off without him. His husband now is so hot. And honestly, Rory McIlroy could never. David Lee could eat him for breakfast."

They conclude that despite the uncool breakup, Caroline Wozniacki appears thriving in her current relationship.

3. Kardashians Season 6: Emotional Highs and Pay Disparities

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to reviewing the latest season of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Jackie and Claudia share their mixed emotions about the show's sixth season finale, discussing standout moments and character developments:

• Claudia (05:20): "I got a little choked up about Amari."

• Jackie (05:29): "Yeah, she is so special."

They debate the perceived pay disparities among the Kardashian sisters, questioning the fairness of their compensation relative to their on-screen contributions:

• Jackie (06:18): "I have concluded that there's no way on earth that they all get paid the same. There's no way."

Claudia appreciates Kendall Jenner's increased visibility despite her minimal screen time, while Jackie criticizes the overall parity in earnings.

4. News Stories

a. Blue Origin’s All-Female Rocket Ride: Celebrity Passengers and Backlash

The hosts discuss Blue Origin's recent all-female rocket flight, scrutinizing the passengers' credentials and the ensuing public reaction:

• Jackie (23:07): "More updates are coming out from the Blue Origin all female rocket ride. I don't even. We can't call them the astronauts. They're not astronauts. They were passengers."

Claudia frets over the media labeling them as astronauts and the choice of high-profile figures like Katy Perry and Amy Schumer, who have faced significant public scrutiny:

• Claudia (25:09): "I also don't think Lauren is immune to, like, Internet beef and... people clowning on her."

Jackie and Claudia express disappointment over the commercialization and perceived lack of genuine representation in the mission, pointing out the ironic blend of high-profile celebrities with limited space training.

b. Netflix Adapts "Carrie Soto" with Serena Williams as Executive Producer

The conversation shifts to Netflix’s upcoming adaptation of Taylor Jenkins Reid’s novel Carrie Soto, with Serena Williams attached as an executive producer. The hosts express skepticism about Netflix's track record with book adaptations but maintain a cautiously optimistic outlook given Serena’s involvement:

• Claudia (37:19): "Serena Williams being a part of it is brilliant."

They discuss the thematic parallels between Serena Williams' tennis career and the protagonist's ambition in the book, anticipating that Serena’s influence could enhance the series’ authenticity and appeal.

c. Amy Lou Wood's Public Crying Incident

Jackie and Claudia address a recent incident where White Lotus star Amy Lou Wood was photographed crying in public. They explore the challenges celebrities face with privacy and public perception:

• Jackie (42:56): "Amy Lou Wood is crying in public... she clarified on her Instagram. She was like, no, I wasn't."

The hosts empathize with Wood, highlighting the often invasive nature of paparazzi and public scrutiny, especially during stressful periods like appearing on high-profile shows.

d. Gene Hackman and Wife’s Death Updates: Hantavirus Connection

A somber segment covers the tragic deaths of actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy. Recent reports have linked Betsy’s death to hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, contracted from rodent exposure at their residence:

• Claudia (47:43): "She contracted this virus that led to her untimely death because they were living in some sort of squalor."

Jackie and Claudia express deep sympathy, criticizing the living conditions that led to the infection and questioning the lack of immediate intervention for elderly individuals in similar situations.

e. Matissia’s Collaboration with Bruno Mars: A Musical Backstory

The hosts share an amusing anecdote about Matissia, a Jewish rapper, revealing his collaboration with Bruno Mars on the song "One Day Years Ago." They recount the humorous circumstances under which the song was written, emphasizing Bruno Mars’ behind-the-scenes contributions:

• Jackie (52:25): "I had just been on tour with an artist from Canada... Who had been playing a song called Waving Flag."

Claudia highlights the significance of this collaboration, noting Bruno Mars’ role in shaping the song's message of peace and love, and marveling at the serendipitous nature of the creative process.

5. Dear Toasters: An Interrupted Advice Segment

In an attempt to transition to their weekly advice segment, Dear Toasters, the hosts are interrupted as Claudia begins to feel unwell:

• Claudia (57:16): "It's too much for me. I have to go to the bathroom."

Jackie supports her decision to prioritize health, wrapping up the episode empathetically.

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Conclusion In this episode of The Toast, Jackie and Claudia Oshry navigate through personal anecdotes, pop culture critiques, and weighty news topics with their characteristic wit and sincerity. From dissecting celebrity relationships and reality TV dynamics to addressing serious issues like public scrutiny of celebrities and tragic personal losses, the hosts provide a comprehensive and engaging discourse. Notably, their ability to blend humor with empathy ensures that listeners are both entertained and thoughtfully engaged throughout the episode.

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Notable Quotes:

• Claudia (00:38): "I am drinking bubbly, but just know it's not by choice. I'm merely a victim of circumstance."

• Jackie (01:13): "You need to put a piece of tape over the logo."

• Claudia (03:33): "They were engaged to be married, and literally, the second they sent out their wedding invitations two days later, he called off the wedding."

• Jackie (04:01): "She's obviously so much better off without him. His husband now is so hot. And honestly, Rory McIlroy could never. David Lee could eat him for breakfast."

• Jackie (06:18): "I have concluded that there's no way on earth that they all get paid the same. There's no way."

• Claudia (25:09): "I also don't think Lauren is immune to, like, Internet beef and... people clowning on her."

• Claudia (37:19): "Serena Williams being a part of it is brilliant."

• Claudia (47:43): "She contracted this virus that led to her untimely death because they were living in some sort of squalor."

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates all the key discussions, insights, and conclusions from the episode, providing a clear and engaging overview for those who haven't tuned in.

Transcript

[Claudia]

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

[Jackie]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Claudia]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

The Fast 5 things you need to know.

[Claudia]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing. Claudia supports Michael. Boo boy.

[Claudia]

Okay, like we need to talk about that. Ready? I was thinking it already.

[Jackie]

Should we just have it? Oh, wait.

[Claudia]

Welcome.

[Jackie]

You have a piece of hair.

[Claudia]

Where?

[Jackie]

Yeah. That good?

[Claudia]

Yep. Welcome back to the toast. Happy Tuesday. Yes. Jackie is slandering me before the show even begins. But it's not slander because it's 100 true. I am drinking. You know, I pretty much have a Lacroix every day here ever since, like, people asked me to stop drinking my iced coffee. The ice was bothering them. I have a Lacroix and yesterday I went to place an order and they didn't have Lacroix. They said, can we offer you bubbly buble? And obviously, like, I need to drink, right? So I said yes. And I wasn't going to go pick up lroy myself. So I'm drinking bubbly. And I. I will tell you, like, I pulled it out of the fridge this morning and I felt bad.

[Jackie]

You need to put a piece of tape over the logo. Give him no press. I love that you have tape. But don't get up.

[Claudia]

Yeah, no, I'm not getting up. I'll do it tomorrow.

[Jackie]

For tomorrow. Today. Thanks for calling me out, Shine.

[Claudia]

Thanks for calling me out. Yes, I am drinking a bubbly, but just know it's not by choice. I'm merely a victim of circumstance.

[Jackie]

But are you liking it?

[Claudia]

No, I also think it's an inferior beverage.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

Lacroix will always be my number one seltzer tied with Pellegrino.

[Jackie]

Pellegrino in a can.

[Claudia]

Oh, Pellegrino. I like Pellegrino in any vessel.

[Jackie]

Sometimes I have the plastic bottle right here, actually, and it just doesn't hold the bubble like a can.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

And the cans are smaller, so, like, you don't have as much. Like, I. There's a lot in this plastic bottle. I don't drink it. And then it gets flat.

[Claudia]

If we're gonna go plastic bottle, we're gonna go Perrier. I think that they do plastic much better sometimes. Like a good Perrier going down the esophagus. Like, it burns. Burns. It's so bubbly.

[Jackie]

I'm not a huge Perrier person. Like, in a pinch, sure. But I'll always prefer the groin. And in our house, we do call it groin. We Call it Pellegrino.

[Claudia]

Oh, I guess I didn't realize that wasn't a universal thing.

[Jackie]

So silly. Like, I'll say to my husband, can you grab me a grain?

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah. No, 100. Do you want grain for dinner?

[Jackie]

Do you want grain with your dinner?

[Claudia]

I do.

[Jackie]

I always want grain with my dinner.

[Claudia]

Well, you know, I had heard that seltzer was a bladder irritant, so I've been trying to pull back. I hadn't heard that.

[Jackie]

I haven't heard that.

[Claudia]

No, I heard that. So. Not that it's helped at all.

[Jackie]

I'm trying to give you a pass, Coach, like, take.

[Claudia]

Not that it's helped.

[Jackie]

Did you see that Caroline Kojniaki is in the news? Like, for having been engaged to Rory McElroy. Have you seen this part of his history?

[Claudia]

Yeah, of course. I brought it up yesterday.

[Jackie]

No, but not the Woj.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I brought up Caroline Wolsey yesterday. Yes. Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Crazy. That's like that. What's that? That law where, like, when it rains, it pours.

[Claudia]

Butterfly effect. Oh, like when you see some Mandela effect. Is that it? No, like when you see something and then you start seeing it everywhere.

[Jackie]

Like, I just started calling you, like, coachers. Wojers. Caroline Kojniacki last week, and now she's on the Daily Mail.

[Claudia]

Yeah, her name is Wozniaki, but I see what you're saying. Yes, they have a very sort of.

[Jackie]

Tortured past that you left her at the altar.

[Claudia]

Not really. They were engaged to be married. And literally, the second they sent out their wedding invitations two days later, he called off the wedding and he said it was, like. Yeah, he said it was, like, the invitations, that really shook him to his core. And he, like, made a public statement about it, too, which was weird. She's obviously, like, so much better off without him. Her husband now is so hot. And, like, honestly, Rory McElroy could never. David Lee could eat him for breakfast. He's, like, a thousand feet taller. So I'm happy for everything works out, but that was extremely uncool.

[Jackie]

Sorry, Wojers.

[Claudia]

Yeah, not cool for Wojniacki.

[Jackie]

Not cool for the Vojers community.

[Claudia]

Well, we're doing okay.

[Jackie]

It's just the two of you and you seem happy.

[Claudia]

We actually do follow each other on social media. We do follow each other on social media, me and Caroline.

[Jackie]

You're lying.

[Claudia]

No, like, she was one of the first, like, famous people to follow me, and I followed her back, and I've just, like, I've been keeping up with her for many Years.

[Jackie]

She's got a great sense of humor.

[Claudia]

1,000%. She's besties with Serena Williams.

[Jackie]

Well, we're going to be talking about Serena Williams today, so why don't you table that?

[Claudia]

Okay. Should I table how I wrote my college thesis on Serena, or you want to talk about that later?

[Jackie]

Like, I think it might be germane to the story about her, so just table it, if you will.

[Claudia]

Great. Great. Lots of book news today.

[Jackie]

Lots of book news. I watched some TV last night. I finished Kardashians season six.

[Claudia]

Okay, so did I. Except I have, like, half the. The finale left, so I guess I didn't finish it, but I caught up on a bunch of episodes. Oh, let me tell you, I was cackling. Like, it really is such a good show.

[Jackie]

It is so good. And I. I feel so many a range of emotions when I watch it. Like, I truly feel, like, happy. I feel emotional. Something was happening on the finale that I was like, girls don't cry. Like, it's. I can't remember what it was.

[Claudia]

I got a little choked up about Amari.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah, that was really beautiful.

[Claudia]

And Chloe's just like. She's so special.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she is so special. I got choked up. I told you guys, like, during Chloe's party, like, just seeing her so happy and especially when I thought the party was gonna be such a flop. And, like, that's just the best feeling in the world.

[Claudia]

I love that they acknowledge that. It's like the Chloe, Chris and Kim show. And then she was like, actually, it's just the Chloe Kim with a side of Chris show.

[Jackie]

You know what? I think I was almost making me cry. Courtney on Skinny Confidential when they were saying to Michael and Lauren, like, it goes so fast, right?

[Claudia]

Mason's in high school.

[Jackie]

Mason's in high school. Like, and then Courtney in the last episode was talking about slowing down her life because she really wants to, like, be in every moment. And it's just emo mice into shambo mice and mice and disick. It's.

[Claudia]

It's really a good show. Like, I really have enjoyed watching it so much, and I've come to the.

[Jackie]

Conclusion that there's no. No way on earth that they all get paid the same. Like, I don't know why. I've always thought that they do similar thoughts, but, like, Kylie goes to nothing. She didn't even do a solo interview.

[Claudia]

There's no way.

[Jackie]

There's.

[Claudia]

That they get paid the same.

[Jackie]

And, like, weirdly, Kendall shows up to.

[Claudia]

Everything, but provides very little.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she's Trying. She's working.

[Claudia]

And you know what? I actually really appreciated her. She was probably the most visible on this season that I've ever seen her. She did solo interviews. She went on her college tour. She, like, was, like, going to her sister's houses. Just, like, check a box.

[Jackie]

She was going to her sister's houses. She went to MJ's birthday party.

[Claudia]

Yeah, there's. I. I remember when they were at E. I believe they were open with us that, like, they all split it when they got that huge deal with E. I remember it was on the COVID of New York Post. $100 million. But there's no way.

[Jackie]

No, there's no way. And I think that Courtney used to split with them. And then she was always filming, and she was always unhappy because she didn't like the filming. And now.

[Claudia]

But if you're splitting, you have to.

[Jackie]

And so she would just show up, be in a bad mood, and then they're talking about why she's in a bad mood, and she just, like, didn't like what she was doing. But now I think, especially with Travis being a breadwinner, like, she doesn't have to work so much. And so she's not. I think at one point she was making the same as Kim and Chloe, and now she's definitely not. She's like, I agree, and I think it really works. But it is funny. It's Kim and Chloe and Chris will go to anything. The fact that you went to Joshua Tree.

[Claudia]

Okay. I love Chris. Chris is so underrated. They all clown on her so much. I was cackling so hard at her leaving at 2 in the morning. I was also just cracking up at her, like, whole vibe in. Where were they? Joshua Tree. Watching them walk around Joshua Tree. Kim wearing cargo pants and, like, a big, fuzzy. The bag of the bag. I actually, like, felt uncomfortable. It was painful for me. Why does she dress like that? Like, so unreasonable. She's always dressed for the wrong occasion.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It was making me sick, Chloe. Like, biker shorts and a Lululemon tank. Like, thank you.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Chloe. But then also, I actually, Chris was dressed perfectly because she was covered from head to toe in her little.

[Claudia]

Yeah, very safari jumpsuit.

[Jackie]

Because I feel like they were gonna get bug bites.

[Claudia]

All of them just, like, hopping off that RV with their Birkins. I just want to say I would take an RV trip with, like, the family. I think that would be really fun.

[Jackie]

I know you would. You would need no convincing. It would be your idea.

[Claudia]

Like, I think we should do it.

[Jackie]

You love rv. Because you love rv.

[Claudia]

I love the movie rv. I'm constantly influenced by rv. But I want to say my interest in this type of trip actually has nothing to do with rv. The my favorite Robin Williams movie. It more so has to do with don't be tardy. I want to say, like, season seven or eight when they were, like, kind of grasping at straws. I think they knew their show was about to get canceled and they were like, just, let's do some. They took all the kids on an RV around the. I think for the summer. It was so funny. They, like, stopped at casinos. That would be fun. Like, we would have the best time.

[Jackie]

I'm open just because of the kids. Like, I'll do anything for them.

[Claudia]

They will love it.

[Jackie]

They will love it. But I need to sit up front with the driver.

[Claudia]

Oh, that's a great seat.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

That's where Cheryl Hines. That's where Cheryl Hines sits in rv.

[Jackie]

That's where I'll be with my drama.

[Claudia]

Mean, gotta get your kicks. That would be us the whole time on Route 66. And Kristen Chenwith is in that movie too. All right, don't get me started on my RV soapbox. But like, it star studded JoJo, Cheryl Hines, Robin Williams and Kristen Genth. Yeah, and people always talk about Robin Williams breadth of work. And they talk about Dead Poet Society and Patch or whatever that movie's called. And they don't talk about rv. And like, when I tell you, like, the biggest belly laughs I've ever had in my life are from that movie.

[Jackie]

That's funny. One of my other favorite movies does take place in an rv and I feel like it doesn't get lumped into the RV cabin.

[Claudia]

We are the Millers.

[Jackie]

We are the Millers. So, so good.

[Claudia]

Oh, and then we could, like, watch an RV movie every night.

[Jackie]

Yay.

[Claudia]

No, I'm telling you, this sounds so much fun. We'll just have to, like, really invest in a good RV and, like, good, you know, like, people to help RVs.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I think we need a lot of RVs. And also, how do you feel about, like, if we actually don't do a lot of driving, like, we kind of stay in one state, you know, and it just feels like we're on an RV trip, but we're not, like, going the distance.

[Claudia]

As long as we're seeing beautiful things, I don't care.

[Jackie]

Like, let's do an RV trip through Utah, Arizona. Let's keep it.

[Claudia]

I'm fine with that. The real issue I have with RVs is that there's one master bedroom, and then, like, six bunks. And when Chloe. I was like, there's no way Chloe is sleeping in that bunk bed. And she did. It's literally like a slat. A slight. A hole in the wall that you climb into.

[Jackie]

She slept on the top bunk. Was really crazy.

[Claudia]

And then Kim was in the bed.

[Jackie]

Well, she obviously got into the bed in the middle of the night or in the morning, like, went looking for her mom and then just got in the bed because she slept on the bottom bunk at first.

[Claudia]

Got it. Chris was in the bed. Oh, Chris was in the bed. I understand.

[Jackie]

Of course.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But I'm that top bunk. No.

[Claudia]

What else did you watch?

[Jackie]

And then I watched Beverly Hills part two, because tonight is part three.

[Claudia]

Oh. Oh, you scared me. I was like, did I miss it?

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, no, it's tonight. So I just wanted to be caught up just in case I don't have time to watch, like, a ton of TV tonight.

[Claudia]

Oh, good. Okay. Yeah, so we'll watch part three tonight, putting, you know, and then to really, like, a kind of dreadful season. But I've enjoyed it nonetheless. I'm having fun.

[Jackie]

Yeah. The reunion has been really good. Dorit is killing it. Like, seriously killing it. And Sutton at once. Once, Jennifer Tilly said, is Sutton on, like, an anxiety medication? Yeah. She seems altered, not subdued. Yeah. And it's. It is as if we get two Suttons even during the season. Like, one where she's, like, so fired up, so sassy, like, ready to fight. And then this Sutton, she's definitely different in this reunion.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Maybe at this point when they had filmed it, she had seen some of the response to her behavior and was adjusting. I don't know.

[Jackie]

It looks like tonight she, like, gets dragged by her hair for once and for all.

[Claudia]

It's so, you know, I'm not wearing a watch, but it's time.

[Jackie]

It is time. So that was good. And then I'm all caught up on Paul American. If you think watching Paul American, then you're enjoying. Then you're having the time of your life.

[Claudia]

Like, me, I started a new show. And, you know, I'm kind of in this phase where I'm, like, looking for a new comfort show ever since I started, stopped, finished Desperate Housewives. And I hate to come on here because I know that, like, the shows I'm talking about are people's favorites. Right. Like Gilmore Girls. It didn't hit for me, and I'm watching Parenthood now, and it's also Parents.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

And it's. It's a show that I think we would like. It's like a big family. Four siblings who are all grown, married with kids, and, like, the Interview family, you know, cousin issues, work issues. And it also features Lauren Graham, who's Lorelei Gilmore. I'm really not enjoying the show, and I would say most of it is because of her. So I'm feeling maybe, like, the common thread isn't that I don't like these shows. Maybe I don't like, like, Lauren Graham. Her character that she plays in both is very similar. You know, she's like a single mom. She's, like, a little crazy. Like, and I find her insufferable. And I'm so, like, I hate to be that person because, like, I keep coming on here, like, talking about shows that people love. People, like, Die for Parenthood Mean. Ben's loving it. I'm, like, hating it.

[Jackie]

Okay, maybe move on.

[Claudia]

I know. But, like, I can't start fresh again. I've started so many shows. We also started Friday Night Lights. Ben had never seen it.

[Jackie]

Oh, so good. But you don't want to watch Poldark.

[Claudia]

I don't even know what that is.

[Jackie]

I always am telling you about Poldark.

[Claudia]

You are. I feel like you're always telling me about Outlander.

[Jackie]

I'm. I didn't finish Outlander. It wasn't for me Shot. That's really the shock. You can't put me in a box because I didn't like Outlander. That's how. And I. I made it, like, well into season two. She went to France, like, can't put me in a box.

[Claudia]

So I watched that scene for nothing.

[Jackie]

For the lore.

[Claudia]

Cool, cool.

[Jackie]

Co co. I feel like Ben when we do that. Do you?

[Claudia]

Cool, cool, cool, cool. Right? I guess we did pick that up from Ben, but Ben picks up things from us. Ben's walking around the house all day. You. You would love it.

[Jackie]

You will love it.

[Claudia]

He's like. He's like, you'll like it. I was like, oh, what? He's like, you. You will like it. It's like my new favorite toastism.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's really amazing how the kids just, like, give us now a whole other bucket of content.

[Claudia]

People don't realize, actually, you. You would love. It also does come with a hand gesture if you're watching on YouTube. You can see it goes a little bit like this. You. You would love it. It's very rabbinical, actually.

[Jackie]

It is.

[Claudia]

Speaking of rabbinical, how's your journey with Hummates?

[Jackie]

It's been good. I made A master pizza yesterday. My. That. I can't keep matzah in my house. Like, it is flying off the shelves.

[Claudia]

I mean, it's the only thing to.

[Jackie]

Eat from Olivia's yesterday because I didn't have any. I left her three slices because I'm nice, and it was gone within the hour.

[Claudia]

Can I ask you a question, actually?

[Jackie]

Is that a lot of matzah? Like, are we eating too much matzah?

[Claudia]

That is a lot of matzah.

[Jackie]

Okay. I thought, like, it should take you, like, days.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Like yesterday or. No, Sunday. I bought two boxes of egg matzah.

[Jackie]

It's.

[Claudia]

And I'm not even through the first one.

[Jackie]

Oh, well, we're four. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Me and Ben. I mean, I'm two.

[Jackie]

And now the kids are demanding a huge sheet of it. Like, they don't want it in pieces. They don't eat the whole sheet, but, like, they won't take it another way.

[Claudia]

Let me ask you a question, because in my opinion, one of the best ways to enjoy matzah is matzah with, like, nice, delicious, good salted butter. But it's so impossible to spread without breaking. How do you butter your matzah?

[Jackie]

So I break it with the. With the butter. But if I had a little more patience, I would wait for the butter to get soft one.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Or use butter spray. But I don't use chemicals, so I've.

[Claudia]

Been using butter spray. I can't believe it's not butter spray. Actually, fun fact about me is I use a lot of butter spray. I love it on my cord on the couch.

[Jackie]

I can't believe it's. There has to be butter spray that's made of real butter.

[Claudia]

I know. So it's like. It's something. It's actually a true guilty pleasure. I know. It's so bad for me. But it's. It's obviously delicious. It's more so. The mechanism. It's so convenient.

[Jackie]

It's the ease. It's the functionality of it. I'm gonna go to the store and look for spray on butter. That's just like.

[Claudia]

I know they have, like, spray like Kerrygold doesn't with that. Like, they have spray on butter, like, for popcorn, but that's different.

[Jackie]

It all sounds yucky.

[Claudia]

I know. I just love spray on butter.

[Jackie]

There's got to be a better way. But definitely soft butter, like melted butter. Try that.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but my butter sits in the fridge, so. Yeah, you're right. I have to plan my snacks an hour in advance. I don't have that kind of patience.

[Jackie]

Do you have a butter holder thinger?

[Claudia]

No. What is that thing you're called? Butter dish.

[Jackie]

Butter dish. I had to bust mine out.

[Claudia]

I got you one, right? Yes.

[Jackie]

I don't use it, but now I, I will this week for sure.

[Claudia]

It's such a great thing to have if, like, you're consistently better user. Right. If not, it just like doesn't solve the problem because it sits in the.

[Jackie]

Fridge or it goes bad on your counter.

[Claudia]

Correct. Are you supposed to put it in the fridge at night, take it out in the morning? It's a full time job? Yes.

[Jackie]

Oh my God. I, I'm too.

[Claudia]

You can't leave it out all day. That's like the butter will go bad. It refrigerate at night. And then like when you have your coffee, take it out so throughout the day people can use it sparingly and then put it back in the fridge. It's literally like a full time thing.

[Jackie]

Like maybe when I'm 50, I'll start doing.

[Claudia]

Yeah. You know, when we're retired. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like when I have time on my hands.

[Claudia]

It's really crazy, but it does sound like if you were to get on like a really good schedule with it, like, it would be life changing. I could just see myself falling asleep and being like, I didn't put the butter in the fridge.

[Jackie]

That's like me with my starter, like any task that I have late at night.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

It kind of falls through the cracks.

[Claudia]

Right, right. But see, you've made it such a priority that like, it matters a lot to you. That's how you have to be with the butter.

[Jackie]

I.

[Claudia]

But because you're already up late at night, like with your starter in the kitchen, you might naturally be able to move the butter into the fridge. Try it.

[Jackie]

I will try it for this week, at least for Passover, because if it.

[Claudia]

Works, you, you would love it.

[Jackie]

You will love it.

[Claudia]

I love you. Oh, also, I've. We're. I'm assuming we're going to talk more about the ass and astronauts.

[Jackie]

We are. We have more to discuss.

[Claudia]

Good. Because actually I've had a bit of a change of heart.

[Jackie]

Okay. Can you save it for the stories?

[Claudia]

I can.

[Jackie]

Can we get into the stories?

[Claudia]

We can.

[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Thanks, Woj.

[Claudia]

You're welcome, Zoge.

[Jackie]

Our first story. More updates are coming out from the Blue Origin. All female rocket ride. I don't even. We can't call them the astronauts. They're not astronauts. They weren't crew. They didn't do anything. They were passengers.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah, that's like a really good call. What were they?

[Jackie]

Passengers.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

On their ride in the rocket.

[Claudia]

So who's operating the rocket?

[Jackie]

Someone down on the ground. It was computer operated.

[Claudia]

A man. Okay.

[Jackie]

1000% a man.

[Claudia]

Got. Got Noted.

[Jackie]

But we do need clarification. I do think if it was a woman, they would have shared that tidbit.

[Claudia]

Obviously.

[Jackie]

But it better have been a woman. Otherwise, like this is.

[Claudia]

I'm sure it was like a whole team of the Blue Origin peeps. Like, you know, they sit in the control room like in hidden figures. Men and women.

[Jackie]

It should have been a whole team of women in the room. And then do you think they.

[Claudia]

Would they have come home is the question. I'm kidding. Like, no. That sounds really scary. Yeah, of course. No, I'm good. I want the best and brightest. I don't care who it is, you know?

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

No, no.

[Jackie]

Like, it's my life. I don't care if you have a penis or vagina. Vagina. Penis.

[Claudia]

I don't care if you have both. Like, seriously, get me home safe.

[Jackie]

No, it's so true. Oh, my God.

[Claudia]

Now that just gave me a phrase. Literally chilled down my spine. There's been a lot of backlash. Like, obviously we've been Clowning on these for weeks. And everybody's sort of just now joining us.

[Jackie]

We were doing it when it was, like, not said yet. It was still not popular press darling thing to do. Who's gonna have an issue with women going to space and breaking barriers and literally shattering the glass ozone.

[Claudia]

And Gayle King, she's sort of this media princess. Like, she's. America loves her. Like, nothing she does gets backlash. So I'm sure this is new territory for her.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And Lauren is definitely more familiar with backlash, but, like, she, of course, marrying the most powerful man in the world. Like, if you're a person who, like, in media, like, you don't want to piss this lady off, that's not a person you want to piss off.

[Claudia]

I also don't think Lauren is immune to, like, Internet beef and. And. And people clowning on her. I think this was really new for Gail and some of the other unknowns.

[Jackie]

Yes. Oh, yeah. The unknowns are just like, you know, they're in lives of service and. And they're not getting, like, when we talk about the other.

[Claudia]

We're talking about Katy Perry. What. I mean, but it's all. Katie.

[Jackie]

We don't even know their names, really. I know a little bit of that. Of their names, but we don't even say their names on this show. So, like, they can go on to do other things. And, like, we're not always going to be like. And they were on the flight.

[Claudia]

Right. Unaffected.

[Jackie]

I think they'll. They'll be able to still do great things. But, like, this is something that will. Katy Perry is taking the brunt of all of it.

[Claudia]

And. But she's also the reason. She's also the reason why there's so much hate. Like, she's just so here. Super connected to love right now.

[Jackie]

Here are things Katy Perry did in space. And afterwards, Katy Perry sang what a Wonderful World during the rocket ride. The women said, I believe.

[Claudia]

On the way down.

[Jackie]

They said they had been asking her to sing, like, this whole time. I don't know if they meant, like, the whole time in this capsule or, like, since they all got together, they've been wanting.

[Claudia]

I don't believe that they were all asking her to sing.

[Jackie]

I don't believe Gail said, like, we wanted her to sing and she wouldn't sing. And then when we went up there, she sang what a Wonderful World, like, and that was really beautiful.

[Claudia]

I don't believe that she.

[Jackie]

She teased the set list for her Lifetimes tour in the castle and nobody moved. No. And it actually, like, had to be explained that that's what. Because she held up a butterfly. Butterfly words into, like, the live stream, and then it flew away. And apparently the words on it, like, where's the set list for the Lifetime store?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

She brought a daisy with her as an homage to her daughter. And then, like, brought the daisy back home and. And then she kissed the ground. But let me tell you something about these women, because I do feel like they are immune to all this criticism right now because they are in such a high. Like, the way that Lauren Sanchez described, like, coming back down to Earth, how she just, like, wants to give everything, everyone a hug. Like, we're all one people. When you see things at a glance, like, they did World at a glance. And it was really powerful for them. And I could imagine feeling that way, having gone to space for 10 minutes, like, seeing the Earth, like, that's a very powerful thing. Of course.

[Claudia]

No, it's kind of like when you go to Europe, then you come back and you think you're, like, too good for everyone, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, but it's. I don't know. It's like, it's something like, it's in the car.

[Claudia]

It's existential.

[Jackie]

It's existential godliness. Like. Like, so few people in human history have seen the world at that vantage point. Like, there's something very powerful about it that is getting lost in all of this mishigas. And usually you earn that through space exploration and advancements in science. Like, not just for kicks, but, like, they're not even hearing what we're all saying because they are on such a high right now that you can only experience from seeing the world at a glance.

[Claudia]

So it sounds like you two are having a bit of a change of heart. Let me tell you why I'm having.

[Jackie]

Because now it's popular to clown on them.

[Claudia]

And you know us.

[Jackie]

I don't like that.

[Claudia]

No. And what I don't like is, like, when I saw. First of all, like, we talked, like, a week or two ago about Olivia Munn clowning on them, and I was like, damn. Because she was like, us. Nobody was saying these things. Right. It was kind of brave. But now everyone's. It's easy to join the, like, hate bandwagon. And I saw two things that kind of made me, like, switch my pov. I saw two outspoken women, Emily Ratajkowski and Olivia Wilde, like, clowning on this. Emily Ratajkowski has been, like, leaving comments on Tick Tocks. Basically, the messaging from both of them being like, this is so stupid. Wasteful. There are. Kim. There's people that are dying, basically. And I don't know. I don't want to. I don't. I don't feel right finding myself on the same side as Olivia Wilde and Emily Ratajkowski. Because I feel like when I'm always talking about, like, toxic women, like, feminism, like, herstory. I'm literally talking about Olivia Wilde. Like, whenever I'm talking about the toxic, like, whatever brand of feminism where it's like, you're feminist, but you literally hate women. I'm literally talking about Olivia Wilde.

[Jackie]

She's always Rata Kowski.

[Claudia]

Yes. They are the two people I am always thinking of in my brain. Mostly Olivia Wilde. Shia, Shia, Shia, Shia. Like, oh, I'm the first woman director. I'm a first woman, woman, woman. Meanwhile, you're begging an abuser to come while the girl is like, please stop. Like, I'm literally referring to Olivia Wilde when I talks about. When I talk about toxic feminism. And Emily Ratajkowski is not far behind. So the fact that they're on this side. I gotta switch.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I have to switch. And I will say, like, this random feminism of the blue origin flight is. Is a diff. It's not that corny. It's like the Barbie movie feminism. Like, corny, corny, little cringe, Harmless.

[Claudia]

Harmless, harmless. I think that the Olivia Wilde brand of feminism is actually harmful. Yeah. So once I saw that she was, like, echoing some of my sentiments, I had to change my sentiments.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I agree. I've come full circle. And also, remind me at the end of the year, in case I forget, this is one of my top five stories of the year. Like, nothing will mean so much. Like, it's hysterical. And also, they did. They went to space. Like, we can't not talk about the fact that, like, they saw the horror of the. The moon, like, the. The Earth, even though they're being, like, so cringe about it. Like, that is an experience that so few people will ever get to have. Especially common people who didn't, like, wait their whole life. Except for the one. There was one girl who's on the.

[Claudia]

Yes. She's like, a space person.

[Jackie]

No. And there was another girl who is, like, a civil rights activist, but she had dreams of being an astronaut that she had to put on hold because she was raped. And then she dedicated her life to, like, fight. Like, to writing new law that was passed, like, to help victims, so.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, they're like, that's getting lost here.

[Jackie]

It's getting lost. It's A night. It's. It's, it's. It is.

[Claudia]

I was. I was relieved to see, like, little to no footage of them, like, putting on lashes and glam. Maybe that was like more of a joke they were making. I thought they were actually going to be, like, applying their lipstick in space.

[Jackie]

I thought that they were like. Now I'm thinking that maybe they thought their lashes would be, like, taken off by gravity.

[Claudia]

Right, right.

[Jackie]

But they were gravity.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Okay. I liked that Blue Origin. I'm being positive now.

[Jackie]

Oh, I like that. Jeff Bezos tripped.

[Claudia]

Yes. Okay. So I like that they had a lot of footage of the whole thing. They had live stream cameras inside. They were obviously all mic'd because we had a lot of audio that video of them, like, descending before the parachute blows up. It's obviously, they just are free falling. It's like when you're. If a plane just drops out of the sky and it's terrifying and you just hear the five women screaming at the top of their lungs, like, shrieking. It is unbelievably hysterical. Like, bad for women, but hysterical. I thought we got so much, so many funny moments, Jeff. Like greeting the pod as they landed on Earth and then falling in a ditch. Like, you can't make this stuff up. Like, you couldn't write something so funny. So you know what? You know what? They put the ass in astronaut. I love it.

[Jackie]

They did. After everything they did.

[Claudia]

After all is said and done, I'm here for it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's given me so much joy.

[Claudia]

I hope it has.

[Jackie]

I want another trip.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I think we could do better casting wise.

[Jackie]

I definitely. Katie brought a lot of the criticism just because she. Criticism follows her.

[Claudia]

She's a heavily criticized figure and not for no reason. I just want to say that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I think if it had been someone.

[Claudia]

A little bit more well respected.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Who even think of a pop star.

[Claudia]

Of, like, her elk, the Kesha, Lady Gaga. That's not very kind of you to say Lady Gaga is of the same elk as Katy Perry.

[Jackie]

At one point they were.

[Claudia]

Yes. Do you think Katy Perry could headline Coachella? Like, would she be, you think right.

[Jackie]

Now just might be a little too, like, commercial for, like, Coachella to select her, but she's definitely got the hits. Kesha is weirdly involved in this also. Did you see the Wendy's drama?

[Claudia]

Oh, that's not drama to me. I thought that was fake.

[Jackie]

Why did Wendy's reply that. I know that their whole shtick is being, like, snarky on Twitter.

[Claudia]

I think it had literally Nothing to do with Kesha and just like, no brands wanting to get involved.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I thought that was not cool. That was like when that maraval, like, tweeted about Tom Sandoval, like, stop it. They tweeted about. What did they say?

[Claudia]

Like, like, so along the lines of the same joke that's been running around on the Internet.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I just feel like that's weird from a fast food.

[Claudia]

I agree.

[Jackie]

And any company in general. Like, you want to kill her? You want to kill Katy Perry.

[Claudia]

It's funny when we say it. You can't say that. So you want to kill Katy Perry.

[Jackie]

Great. And then apparently Kesha posted drinking a.

[Claudia]

Wendy's, and I think they're completely unaffiliated. And if anybody's wondering, I had a soda from Wendy's on Sunday. What does that mean? I can't tell you, but do you.

[Jackie]

Have a soda from Wendy's after they said that they wanted to kill Katy Perry?

[Claudia]

No, but I knew that they would be involved in this astronaut drama, and so I bought a sodas to support.

[Jackie]

I just want to say, like, usually Wendy's crushes it on social media. I didn't like that.

[Claudia]

I didn't like it either. It gave me, like, an icky, weird feeling.

[Jackie]

It is.

[Claudia]

So you're killers, right? Is that what Wendy's promotes? Killing of women who are out here achieving their dreams.

[Jackie]

I want to get the exact tweet just to put a, like a, a.

[Claudia]

A bow on it.

[Jackie]

They said, can we send her back?

[Claudia]

Okay, that's better than can we leave her?

[Jackie]

Can we make it worse? But send her back? Like, with what provisions? Everyone.

[Claudia]

To what end?

[Jackie]

Everyone's already mad that they spent so much.

[Claudia]

Provisions. Yeah. Like, is she a big Timothy Chalamet backpack full of snacks? No.

[Jackie]

And everyone's already mad that they wasted so much money on this. So, like, you're gonna send her in her own capsule with nobody. You are suggesting otherwise you're gonna kill.

[Claudia]

The earth even further. And we send Katy Perry into space with nothing but a granola bar. That's what they're suggesting.

[Jackie]

And then they're gonna kill her.

[Claudia]

Well, that's sort of in inferred, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. So, like on this one, like, Olivia Wilde and Wendy's are not on the same side because they are advocating for spending more money, more resources.

[Claudia]

Yes, yes. No, I just. And. And like, Olivia Wild doesn't chime in on things. Yeah. So it's not very feminist of you. I just want to say to, like, not ever chime in on and the first thing you're like, post an Instagram story about is a clowning on a bunch of women who are, you know, good natured. Like, they think they're doing something good. It's, like, stupid.

[Jackie]

But I think for Olivia Wilde, like, she feels defensive of feminism and that this is being billed as a feminist endeavor.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

To let him know, like, you're not welcome here.

[Claudia]

Well, I have one thing to say to that. Shia. Shaya. Shaya. Shia.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

We saw the real Olivia Wilde, and I've seen all I needed to say.

[Jackie]

Also, Amy Schumer was joking about this as well. She said, guys, last second, they added me to the spit to space, and I'm going to space. She holds it. She held up a black panther twice, saying, I'm bringing this thing. It has no meaning to me, but it was in my bag, and I was on the subway and I got the text and they were like, do you want to go to space? So I'm going to space. Thank you to everyone who got me here. I'll see you guys in space.

[Claudia]

That's what this group was missing. A funny person.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, to really have brought it back down, make. Make it a little bit more relatable and palatable for America, they needed a funny woman on there.

[Jackie]

But Amy Schumer would have gotten just as much, if not more hate than Katy Perry.

[Claudia]

Yeah. She's also a heavily criticized person. Like, I need to think of who. Who is like, America's funny person that everybody loves.

[Jackie]

That has to be a woman.

[Claudia]

Nikki Laser.

[Jackie]

Yeah. She would have been great, but, like, not, like, not a household name yet.

[Claudia]

No. We need Joan. Like, that is something I would watch.

[Jackie]

Immune to criticism.

[Claudia]

Joan on Blue Origin.

[Jackie]

Never.

[Claudia]

Never. Blue Hour Joan.

[Jackie]

She would have never.

[Claudia]

No. And that's why she's a queen.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I'm surprised. Meghan Markle. There are a couple people where I'm like, oh, did you go to space? No, no. But you're the vibe. Like Meghan Markle.

[Claudia]

It's. It's very Montecito.

[Jackie]

Kim.

[Claudia]

Kim. And people who are friends with Lauren Sanchez.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And that's what it is.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Which is Katie. Katie Cat.

[Claudia]

Well, hopefully this story keeps unraveling. I hope this isn't the last we discuss of it.

[Jackie]

And I hope that they think that this is a success and that they do it again. I want more. Who's going next?

[Claudia]

Yep.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story? Little book news, because Serena Williams is executive producing. Carrie Soto is back by Taylor Jenkins Reid. It is a tennis Drama series in the work at Netflix. So Carrie Soto is a series? Yeah, it's a book by Taylor. Taylor Jenkins Reed, TJR7. Seven husbands. Daisy Jones.

[Claudia]

I can't believe this is getting made before seven Husbands.

[Jackie]

I know, but they like they're trying to kill seven husbands. They're trying to.

[Claudia]

They are.

[Jackie]

They're trying to send into.

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackie]

But Netflix has taken in for development Carrie Soto, a series adaptation of TGR's best selling tennis themed book. Fittingly, tennis great Serena Williams Williams is set to executive produce the project from fifth season and Picture Start and a bunch of other industry terminology.

[Claudia]

I don't feel like Netflix has a great track record with book adaptations. I think Amazon does it really well. The summer I turned pretty daisy Jones in 6 Hulu has done it well. Little fires everywhere. Big little lies on Max. Like, I don't know. Netflix lies, tell me lies. Thank you, Netflix. I can't think of a good one. I think they didn't do a great job with Luckiest Girl Alive. I don't think they did a good job with the Perfect Couple.

[Jackie]

I'll never admit it.

[Claudia]

Do you agree though? Come on.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

That one they don't have. So I have like, like very low hopes for this only because of Netflix's involvement.

[Jackie]

Like, how is. How is that?

[Claudia]

I know, because it's made by different production companies. And what does it have to do?

[Jackie]

So maybe.

[Claudia]

No, I know, but they stink.

[Jackie]

I know. But maybe it's just coincidence.

[Claudia]

Maybe. Hopefully. And honestly, Serena Williams being a part of it is brilliant. When you're reading the book, there's clearly so many things that are inspired by Serena said.

[Jackie]

The author said, my incredible respect for the Williams sisters is part of what makes me interested in tennis. In an interview during the time of the book's release, 2022. I wouldn't write a book about tennis without the influence of just the absolute glory that has been their journey. But also specifically Serena's quest to get as many Grand Slam titles as she has managed to do. So that's very similar to Carrie Soto. Like does not care about being well. Like just like interested in being the greatest. The book was not my favorite. Same mostly because like reading about a tennis match like ping, ping, poom, and then he hit it to the corner, he hit it to the volley umpire. I don't want to read that. But definitely sounds like a better TV show.

[Claudia]

Yes, it was not my favorite book either. But I do think like a niche sport like people love. I think it would be a good TV show if done Right. I just cannot believe that, like, of all the things Taylor Jenkins Reen has, like, gone viral for, this is the one that's getting picked up first. It was. It's one of her successful books, but it's not even close to her most.

[Jackie]

At this point. Any book that she writes will be successful. Like Malibu Rising was successful. I found it incredibly forgettable.

[Claudia]

Yes, agreed. Same with Carrie Soto. She's at a level now where all of her books are huge hits because of the ones that came before.

[Jackie]

But the only one that's really missing is D. Is Seven Husbands. Because Daisy Jones. Crushed.

[Claudia]

Was made. Crushed.

[Jackie]

Got the treatment you could only dream of.

[Claudia]

True.

[Jackie]

So we're just waiting for Seven Husbands because what else is missing? She has other books, but, like, it's on.

[Claudia]

She does. I think One True Loves was, like, one of her biggest before even.

[Jackie]

But that's, like, not like one of these. That's, like, historical fiction. No actors.

[Claudia]

No, no, no. But it's actually. It's a crazy book. Have you read it?

[Jackie]

No.

[Claudia]

She's married. She has, like, this amazing marriage. And her husband, he goes, like, hiking or something, I don't know. And he never comes back. He, like, dies. He's pronounced dead. And so she's, like, absolutely devastated. She moves on with her life. Years later, she finally meets someone, this great guy, Sam. They're engaged, and all of a sudden, her husband is found. He's been, like, living on an icicle for, like, five years. And he comes home being like, give me some. And the whole book is like, what does she do? And, like, her current fiance is, like, very support. And he. The husband's, like, mad, being like, are you kidding me? Like, I literally, like, like, fought a polar bear and lived on an icicle to get back to you. And, like, you're over here. This guy. And so it's like, which one will she choose? It's actually a good premise for a book. Do you want to know who she chooses?

[Jackie]

Thruffle.

[Claudia]

No.

[Jackie]

Does she make a choice?

[Claudia]

She does. Which I really appreciate.

[Jackie]

It doesn't just. And it's not herself. The future is bright, Jackie.

[Claudia]

She makes a choice. And it's not herself. It's a person.

[Jackie]

She does. Okay, thank you.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I won't spoil it, but it's actually a very good book.

[Jackie]

Okay, I'm not gonna read it now, though, because you just, like, told me everything, so you could.

[Claudia]

I did, yeah.

[Jackie]

If you want, you could. You wanna.

[Claudia]

No, I don't want to spoil it for the listeners. Like, you guys should read it. It's gonna. Yeah. Who do you think she chooses?

[Jackie]

New husband. I know she's supposed to choose old, but I think she chooses.

[Claudia]

I texted it to you.

[Jackie]

Interesting.

[Claudia]

Yep. Just something to think about.

[Jackie]

Well, this should be good. And tennis is. You know, tennis is really having a moment in terms of aesthetics.

[Claudia]

Yep.

[Jackie]

And I think that, like, if done right, they should have Paige Lorenz creative direct the show thousand percent, because this could blow up the whole industry.

[Claudia]

At the very least, invite her to the premiere.

[Jackie]

Well, of course. But, like, she should be a consultant on the show. Like, she has the. The tennis eye, the aesthetic.

[Claudia]

Yeah, right.

[Jackie]

It should be shot like that. She should vlog the show.

[Claudia]

And Challengers, like, was a hit.

[Jackie]

Challengers.

[Claudia]

I actually did not like Challengers. I thought it was the biggest waste of my time. People loved it. I couldn't believe it was nominated for any Oscars. A true testament to how far the Oscars have fallen.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But no, tennis is definitely a vibe right now. Are you ready for our next story? White Lotus star Amy Lou Wood is crying in public.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it's a little misleading because everybody saw her crying in public. The paparazzi caught her. They're like, she's upset about snl. Because we literally were just talking about that, and she clarified on her Instagram. She was like, no, I wasn't.

[Jackie]

No, I didn't think she was crying about snl, but they just went off of the Things that They Know, which is that she was upset yesterday about snl, and today she's crying, but she's setting the record straight, clarifying why she really was crying after the paparazzi caught her sobbing in public, which is just never, like, how you want to be seen by the world in, like, the big week of. Of. Of your life.

[Claudia]

No, I know. And it's like, you leave the house looking fabulous so many times, and the paparazzi catches you the one time you're crying.

[Jackie]

She said, I actually wasn't crying about anything that the papers made out. I was crying about something completely unrelated.

[Claudia]

She said, okay, I believe her.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

But there's a lot going on with her and Walter and everything. Every story we have about her, whether it's the SNL or the Instagram stuff, it's making me believe what I'm hearing, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I really. I don't think for one second she's crying in public about snl. Like, I.

[Claudia]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Jackie]

Like, but why are you crying in public? Like, not that you can. I mean, regular people do it all the time, but, like, You're. This is really one of the biggest few weeks of her life. On the heels of White Lotus, she's, like, constantly followed. Like, crying in public is always just like a. Are you okay? Like, we're gonna worry about you.

[Claudia]

Not to make everything about me, but just, like, a personal anecdote that I do feel is relevant. Here is last White Lotus season. I think it was like a Friday night. They air on Sundays. And on Friday night, I went out to dinner with Megan Fahey, who played Daphne, who was like, in the White Lotus season. Everyone's. She's like the most fabulous character. Everyone was obsessed with her. And when I tell you we went out for dinner, and I've never seen somebody get, like, looked at more. We got, like, a private members club. So, like, nobody was asking for pictures, but, like, it was so crazy to be in the restaurant for you? No, I was, like, living for it. Like, everyone was staring at us. I'm like, oh, yeah, Megan. I know her for years.

[Jackie]

Like, intended to do.

[Claudia]

Oh, so true.

[Jackie]

Next time, you got to take her to time somewhere public Target.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It was so. I've never seen. And I like not to be annoying. Like, I've been around famous people before, but, like, it was insane. Every. The waiters, everybody was whispering it. So that's what. Amy Lou. What is currently experiencing. And like, you're right. Like, you. You have to know better. Like, you have to. You have to act.

[Jackie]

Unless you want us to know that you're crying in public, in which in case this is a ploy.

[Claudia]

So the Internet's like. And the blinds. Like, the consensus is that allegedly these two had some sort of onset affair. He is married. His wife found out, forced Walton to block her and ignore her. And there's. That's the reason why all of her likes have gone unliked on his pictures. And. And this is the fallout of that brief affair.

[Jackie]

And she's heartbroken, I guess. Well, maybe they didn't even have an affair. Maybe she, like, had a serious crush on him. And the wife is there, like, like, no.

[Claudia]

Scram. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Because I think if you had an affair, like, why would she be so forgiving the wife?

[Claudia]

Well, he's a star, you know, today. No, he's like.

[Jackie]

He's on Righteous Jones Architectural Digest. He has a nice house. Definitely.

[Claudia]

I saw his Architectural Digest as well. Yeah, right. And he's also on Righteous Gemstones, which people are obsessed with.

[Jackie]

You should watch that.

[Claudia]

I started it. I didn't like it. I. I also, like, I think something we need to talk about it's a very smart thing that Max did. Is that so many? Not so many, but, like, a couple of their key characters who people are obsessed with right now are Max stars. Right. Like, Carrie Coon is the Gilded Age, Walter Goggins is righteous gemstones. It was actually like a very smart, synergized moment.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Good call.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Well, get better, Amy.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Our next story is seriously disturbing. You're gonna hate it.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. What?

[Jackie]

But there's been a bit of an update in the Gene Hackman and wife death.

[Claudia]

Oh, no.

[Jackie]

In developments at their home. So dead rodents were found at Gene Hackman's home during a risk assessment for the virus that killed his wife, Betsy. So it has now been determined that Betsy died of natural causes linked to hantavirus pulmonary syndrome caused by hantavirus, which is a virus that is transmitted via rodent droppings and urine. So they did, like, an environmental survey of his property. Wrote it.

[Claudia]

So what, they were, like, living in filth?

[Jackie]

Yes. Rodent feces were found in three detached garages, two casitas and three sheds during a home site environmental assessment conducted in March. A live road and dead rodent and a rodent nest were also found in three garages on the property. Risk assessment testing was carried out on March 5. They had said that there wasn't rodents in the main house, in the primary house, however, the report found that rodents had access to eight other buildings on that property. There were also rodents, rodent sightings in two vehicles, as well as live traps elsewhere on the property.

[Claudia]

So she contracted this virus that led to her untimely death because they were living in some sort of squalor, I.

[Jackie]

Believe, or because they had, like, a rodent infestation that they didn't handle. And then he.

[Claudia]

She is his caretaker.

[Jackie]

So then he died several days later from a combination of severe heart disease, high blood pressure, and Alzheimer's. You know, maybe the Alzheimer's probably stopped taking his meds. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. What a terrible story.

[Jackie]

Terrible. Every. Like, there's always, like, a few updates about it. Like, you know, they were found mummified. Like, just all these awful things, and it just gets worse and worse.

[Claudia]

Oh, and he's in that house for a couple of days, so confused, and his wife is dead and he has children.

[Jackie]

Well, I think that's a question a lot of people ask, like, how does nobody check in on your elderly father?

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

And, like, not only he died several days later and then lay there, and.

[Claudia]

Then he was found. Right.

[Jackie]

And nobody.

[Claudia]

So terrible.

[Jackie]

So terrible. I feel like vomiting.

[Claudia]

In the words of the great, great, late Gene Hackman, I feel like vomiting for.

[Jackie]

He didn't even know.

[Claudia]

Like, I. I knew that, like, living in filth wasn't good for your health, but I didn't know, like, you could actually contract a virus and die.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So very sad.

[Claudia]

I'm okay to move on. I'm okay to move on. I feel nause.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Thanks boat, Stella, coach.

[Claudia]

You're welcome.

[Jackie]

Our fifth and final story. Matiss Yahoo. Is making a little news. Yeah, Matissia, who shared a beautiful story on his Instagram, I think to tie in with Passover because he shared a video of himself singing his song one day. And then he shared some backstory, a little beautiful backstory from the song. He said, guess what super famous singer wrote this song with me. And you know, one day, right? One day.

[Claudia]

Well, my life I've been waiting for, I've been praying for, for the people to say. And if you guys like don't know who Matissahu is, don't feel bad. But he's, like, kind of a. They know that one song. But he is, like, the first, last, and only successful Jewish rapper. Actually, Drake is a religious Jew.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

He raps about, like, Judaism, and he's, like, a huge figure in our community. And that song, One Day Years Ago was a huge hit.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So now he's telling a little backstory behind the song that I think you'll wrote it. Shocking. Just wait. And I just want to see if he had one other song. Oh, King Without a Crown. That's pretty popular, right?

[Claudia]

It's not.

[Jackie]

I think it is. Who wrote it? Bruno Mars co wrote One Day with me. He said. He said.

[Claudia]

Of course he did.

[Jackie]

Here's the story. I had turned in my Light album, which was based on the Seven beggars story of Rabbi Nachman. There was a new label.

[Claudia]

Okay, what album is it?

[Jackie]

There's a new label head at Epic Records, and when I turned it in, she said there were no hits. She asked if I'd be willing to record two more.

[Claudia]

She was right.

[Jackie]

She asked if I'd be willing to record two more songs. I'd been working on the album day and night for a year, but I told her I was willing. I had just been on tour with an artist from Canada named. How do you pronounce this guy? Canon Canaan. He sings Waving flag. K, N, A.

[Claudia]

A, N. Yeah, Kan.

[Jackie]

Okay, with no. Whatever. Who had been playing a song called Waving Flag. I told her, okay, it's a girl. I told her I wanted to write and record with whoever helped him with that song and flew out to LA the next day. Okay, no, man.

[Claudia]

Okay, Jackie, just get to the story.

[Jackie]

I told Bruno, who wrote Waving Flag. I wanted.

[Claudia]

I didn't know that either.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I wanted a no woman, no cry, peace anthem. And we went to work. At some point, I left to get dinner, which had to be kosher. So the other side of town. When I came back, Bruno had pretty much rewritten most of the tune. And though I was already moving past my Chabad stage of Messianic reality and into the Nachman ideas of God's madness permeating the world, I knew it was undeniable. Mashiach. Now may we burn up our egos like hamates and find fulfillment and humility. Are matzah break out of Mitsraim and learn from Moshe instead of Pharaoh. A hard heart is the path to suffering, peace, and love. And may God, may the God of Israel set us all free. May our hostages come home to their loved ones and our enemies leave Their hard hearted, sorted ways or be destroyed like Pharaoh.

[Claudia]

So Bruno Mars wrote One Day. Thank you so much for that.

[Jackie]

To pass over. We learned that Bruno Mars wrote one.

[Claudia]

I had no idea that Bruno Mars was, like, doing the work before because that's way before he got famous. That song came out when we were, like, in middle school.

[Jackie]

Yeah. That he was songwriting for other people. He was definitely doing his other songs. He, like, had some duets. Right.

[Claudia]

Like, what did he, like, start doing?

[Jackie]

Like, did he. Did he have a song with Bob? Remember that guy who didn't have it?

[Claudia]

Of course.

[Jackie]

Nothing on you they got.

[Claudia]

They ain't got nothing on you, baby Nothing on you, baby they might say hi. Yeah.

[Jackie]

If you like.

[Claudia]

I mean, it makes sense. Like, when you're supremely talented like that. Like, there are certain people, like Sia, you know, you. We're always finding out like. Like, hit songs that they had a hand in.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So I thought this was a beautiful story. And Bruno. And like, that's really an anthem for, like, peace and love and that.

[Claudia]

It's so Bruno.

[Jackie]

Rudy himself wrote it while Matissia, who was out getting kosher dinner. Hysterical stuff.

[Claudia]

I like how he has, like, make himself a victim in the caption. I had to go across town.

[Jackie]

So Jewish.

[Claudia]

It's like, you could get it. You could have gotten it delivered. Or like, you're in a studio at Epic. Yeah. They would drive. Jackie there just wasn't Uber Eats. Like, no. And like, you could have gotten, like, one of the Pas to go get you lunch. Like, he's just a victim.

[Jackie]

So I think. Yeah, I think this is sort of a calling to highlight the lack of.

[Claudia]

Kosher restaurants in Canada.

[Jackie]

In Canada.

[Claudia]

Let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment where Jackie and I try to help out Three swirlies in need.

[Jackie]

What?

[Claudia]

Nothing.

[Jackie]

Just out of breath. Or like, I'm gonna. Like, this is disturbing stuff.

[Claudia]

No, no, the former.

[Jackie]

Okay. Maybe we'll help out. Two swirlies in me.

[Claudia]

It's getting so hard for me to, like, do things.

[Jackie]

Do you want to email it to me?

[Claudia]

Just give me a second.

[Jackie]

Just email it to me.

[Claudia]

Do you think that maybe we could table it? Like, I'm really not feeling good.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I'd be happy.

[Claudia]

Like, I did the fast five. Like, I'm really not okay. I think, like, I'm fine. I'm fine, you guys. I just. Like, it's. It's. I'm not. It's too much for me. Like, I'm really. Like, I have to go to the bathroom.

[Jackie]

I think you have to listen to your body. And all of us globally, have to listen to your body as well.

[Claudia]

Thank you so much.

[Jackie]

I gotta go.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

We love you so much. Love you. Bye.