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Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.
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It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.
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It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.
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I sound amazing.
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Welcome back to the toast and happy Wednesday. It is hump day and I literally feel like a humpback whale. So things I did that. Hey, Jack, how you're doing?
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Celebrating.
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She's on brand.
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Hey, turtle loo. I'm doing good. I didn't even realize it was hump day because, like, my week is split in two because today I'm traveling. It's a travel day. Hence why I look the way I do. I'm not even wearing shoes. It's just a mess.
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She's so crazy.
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And I'm getting my hair cut tonight, so I didn't do my hair. So it's just like one of those, like, travel day episodes where Chris Appleton comes in and tells you you're ugly.
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Yeah. I do want to say, like, upon seeing you this morning, like, I thought you looked totally beautiful.
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Oh, my God, thank you. I mean, I did, like, do all my makeup and, like, it's like I brushed my hair and put it in a bun, I guess. I don't know. It's the lack of shoes that's throwing me off. But I'm able to sit crisscross applesauce, and I'm cozy as heck.
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I don't wear shoes all the time on the show. Like, as long as you're wearing socks, you're in the clear.
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By the way, I will never know what's going on with your feet. Because I can't see your feet.
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No. But when I. Yeah, I guess I also have a busy day kind of preparing for your arrival. I have a lot of things I need to do in preparation.
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Some errands, A lot.
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The eagle is landing.
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A lot goes into me arriving.
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We gotta get the strollers out of storage. I gotta hit the kosher grocer to make sure there's cut up fruit and rotisserie chicken. Like, there's lots to do now. I know. Obviously your day is much harder. My day is no walk in the park.
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No. And I. I did feel bad even asking you for anything, considering.
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No.
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Like, you're going through a lot. But I do know, like, you do make your way to the Kos grocer. So I was like, I do your travels and I know you always like to come with stuff. And so you were probably going anyway, so I was like, Can I request a chicken?
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I'm also at the phase of pregnancy where, like, laying around, like, doesn't make me feel good. And even though I, like, begrudgingly leave the house and go for walks and, like, just do random, like, I'm literally getting three manicures a week because being out of the house, I do think is better for me. I get better sleep at night. Like, I need to be doing stuff. So you giving me stuff to do, it's okay.
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That's funny. I understand. I actually did get a manicure yesterday.
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I'm so excited about a new development. At Toast Headquarters, we've always had really cute Instagram stickers. Like, if you search for GIFs on your Instagram stories, if you search like the toast or ashrae or Girl with no Job, you'll be able to find ones we've had made that say, like, our isms. Now they say premium content. They say P. John. They say nothing of the sort. There's a little thing of Theo. I gotta get one of Romeo. We haven't updated them in a while. And Brutus, Bruno's not there, right?
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So like, ufo, you want to get Romeo, but not Bruno, who's given his all to the show yesterday.
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To be honest, the little gif we have of Theo actually looks more like.
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Bruno and it also looks like Romeo. I don't think we need separate ones. They're all twins, by the way.
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Whatever.
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Tracking. They all look the same.
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Yesterday we published new stickers because we need a sticker like somebody picture. So you get a picture of, like, a beautiful landscape or a cocktail or whatever you're posting on your story, and it's just like, pargy, you know? And you need a sticker that represents that. So there are now par delicious and gargi par stickers that you can search on Instagram and put on your Instagram stories to narrate something that you find part.
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But I also think we should make more stickers, like, in different fonts. Because right now it's like, I love it, the word art one. But, like, maybe something also a little more aesthetic, like, like Marvel Handwriting. Maybe we could contract her to write us one.
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Yeah. Lives to complain. I got them up in, like, two hours and I had them all made. Like, please. My God. Always, always critiquing me.
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How did you get them made?
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Hide my ways. No, I have my ways. I got them up literally in two hours.
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Like, sorry that you're glad that we have some. I'm glad we have something. And sometimes that survive. I use them Last night, I was the first. I was an early adapter.
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You were the first one to use it. You make one, like, however you think is most party. Send it to me. I'll get it uploaded.
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Okay. Maybe I could even do my handwriting. Embrace my inner Megan.
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Kind of like people who get tattoos.
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Yeah.
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Of, like, handwriting.
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So authentic we can't even pay for a font.
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Also, fonts are expensive.
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They are expensive. Go with the free ones. But then the good ones are, like, you have to pay for.
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Well, I did go with the free ones, and now I'm getting criticized on my own podcast.
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I don't think it was a criticism. I think it was just, like an enhancement. And like. And also this. You know what I mean?
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No, you're giving me jobs instead of.
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I'm saying. And also, like, I'm just really excited. Sorry. Excitement.
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I'm excited, too. I'm excited. I can't wait to see what you come up with.
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Thanks. It's just, like, fun. The more the merrier.
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For sure. For sure. So excited.
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Very, very thrilling. You also today look like you work in finance, like, in a good way.
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Oh, my God, I do. Let me tell you. So at the stage of pregnancy where, like, this skims maternity top and These Lululemon size 16 leggings, like, are the only things that really make me feel comfortable. So I have to put on different things on top of it to, like, switch it up for the podcast. I own one vest. It's also hot in here, so I can't wear, like, a sweater or cardigan every day. And it's getting warmer. It's spring.
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A vest is great.
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A vest is great. I only have one vest. I wore it last week. So I have to wait till next week till I can wear it again. So I was like, ben, do you have a vest? That vest was disgusting.
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Yeah, I used to work at Goldman Sachs here.
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You know, this is like a. It's a golf vest, which is like the. Yes. The finance correlation. It's like a Patagonia. It's. I look like such a douche lord. Like, when Ben got out of the shower and I was, like, dressed wearing his vest, he was like, what are you wearing?
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She's going to sell stocks.
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I literally don't give a. You know what I mean?
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I think it's a cool look. You should also wear a hat and a backpack. No, I think you look cool. It's like a nice vibe.
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No, it's definitely, like, a unique choice. I'm comfortable and at this moment in time, like, that's really all I can care about.
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And it's like cold in New York. I looked at the weather. It was a low of 37.
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Yeah, but that's high 53. Yeah. I walked to work today. It wasn't like.
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Did you wear a jacket over your vest?
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Vest? I did. And I was hot.
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Interesting.
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But I'm gonna be traversing all day running errands for you, so I thought I might need a coat.
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I. But no, the vest is perfect because, like, you'll be hot in a coat. But you do need pockets.
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You said that vest was disgusting.
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They revealed that day I wore a vest.
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Because vests are so kind of amazing. A big hit.
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No, vests are amazing because it's like, here, have a pocket. Say no more.
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Right here. Cover your love handles.
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Yeah. I may wear a vest with this because I like wearing a vest on the plane for the pockets.
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It's a good thing to wear on a travel day.
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My id. So it can fall out of your pocket.
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For your id. Yes.
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Yeah. And my phone.
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Chapstick trips to the tape. Maybe I'll find money in here.
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No, because he was making money from bed.
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Money from finance. No, him like, him like, betting people on the golf course, you know? Yeah, like tip money for the caddy. There's no money in here. Should have known better.
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I'm sorry.
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Well, we have a great show today because we have the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap at the end of today's episode. We also have the fast five stories that you need to know. And how are those stories that you need to know? Do you really need to know them?
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You think they came together in a meaningful way? And the stories I would say, like, are showing up for us today. Strong.
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It's so important.
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Small, but maybe stories.
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It's important that we show up for one another in meaningful ways and that.
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You like the way that you are showing up for yourself. That's a new thing people like to say I didn't like how I was showing up.
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I actually haven't heard that one.
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Oh, I've been seeing that a lot. Like, you need to. And what does that mean for yourself, Claudia? I don't know. It's like the new ism. I feel like it just means, like, how I am.
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Like your mood?
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No, just like, if you say, I don't like how I am right now, say that's what you're trying to say. I wasn't sure.
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But in what essence? I don't like how I physically look. I don't like My mental state.
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Mental state. Like, I'm not happy.
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Okay.
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Say I'm not happy.
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Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's.
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I think, your disposition. Disposition, yeah, Like, I'm just, like, not in a good place. They would say. I don't. I wasn't showing up for myself in a way that I was happy with or was proud of.
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Just like, that's the new.
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Just look out for it. I'm telling you. I called you on holding space or two things.
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Yes. Yeah, we were a little late to that, actually. That one really took off.
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Watch out for showing up now. We're not holding, we're showing.
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I can promise our listeners that I'm gonna show up today in a way that I am proud of.
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Yeah, I hope so. I mean, as much as we can do in a safi, we're trying to. Even though, like, we've already screwed the pooch, we're incapable of doing the safies anymore.
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The thing is, is it's so crazy because it's a daily show.
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NASAFI is an opposite of nilafi, and the LAFI is a nice long one for you.
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And we're talking about the length of our episodes. Yes, they have been getting long. We haven't done an episode under an hour in years. And the crazy part of that is, is that you would think that because we do a daily show, we do five times more episodes than the average podcast. Like, you would think that it would be enough. And not only for. For us, like, we would have enough time to say what we need to say, but also, like, the listeners would have enough. Let me tell you, the longer our episodes, the better our numbers. Like, people want two episodes a day now. Like, that's kind of becoming a new podcast format. Multiple episodes a day. Kind of like mimicking like, I guess like cable, where, like, there's things on all day. You, like, release podcasts all day. Don't expect that from us. No, no, don't.
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And there's our, like, nasafis.
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Yeah, they're like 15 minutes and it's.
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Like, is anyone actually listening? Because what are they saying all that to say?
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You would think that, like, that would be enough. Meanwhile, at the end of every week, I'm like, oh, my God, I forgot to talk about, like, six things on the toast this week. Meanwhile, every episode went extra long. We're pushing 90 minutes almost on a daily basis. Even days where we. We're recording early today. Cause Jackie has a flight, like, just trying to cushion for time. We will still. You'll be late to your flight don't worry.
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Thanks. Thank you so much. So, yeah, I think, like, without further ado, we should get into the past five stories that you do need to know. Okay.
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I did also just want to share, like, one personal anecdote. I'm sorry. Before.
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It better be so good. I just.
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Oh, it's not okay. It's really. Not really okay.
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Now I'm curious.
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No, I just wanted to share, like, you know, of course I'm not buying anything for this next chapter of my life. Like, there's nothing going on, nothing coming in, coming out. But I did purchase a new chair for my home. It's a chair that reclines. It's a chair that rocks back and forth. Well, no, actually, I did receive a gifting. Thank you so much. You should know better for putting me on the spot. I didn't purchase it, and I just, you know, I've been needing a new place to sit and just sort of relax. And let me tell you, it really makes me jealous of the people who, like, have their nurseries ready, like, three months in, because the excitement that this one chair has brought me.
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Well, new furniture is always exciting. Especially.
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That's true. I've been spending a lot of time in my own little corner, in my own little chair where I can be whatever I want to be.
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And I'll use the chair while I'm there.
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Yes. That's why I got it. I got it because Jackie's coming to town, and I know she loves to sit. And I thought that that was a good use of my gifting, is to get a chair for my sister to sit in.
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Yeah. Like, this week, you never know when a nap is gonna need to happen.
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Right. And I don't want you to be in my home.
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And that kind of rock my child to sleep. Like, that would be insane.
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Right, right, right. Or even yourself.
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Or even yada selves.
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So, yeah, it wasn't like, an amazing anecdote. I just, like, was sharing a personal update. I'll never do it again.
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A lot of pressure on an Assafi day.
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Now this Nasafi is brought to you by booking.combooking.
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I'M not doing it because you put me down.
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Okay, fine. Yeah, I did make fun of Jackie last time. This episode of the Toast is brought to you by booking.combooking. yeah. Every time we use booking.com to find a place to stay in the US we know that they're going to have exactly what we're looking for. They have a huge variety of options, from hotels to vacation rentals and we know that we can find exactly what we're looking for. I've really found that booking.com has something for everyone and every type of trip. You know, not all vacations are created equally. And like, sometimes you're going on a trip with your whole family and your whole family has a million kids and you need like a full house, one that has like multiple bedrooms, multiple garages, a play area, a kitchen, a kitchenette. And that's obviously one type of trip. Sometimes you and your man are going on like a no kids beachfront vacation and you need something party and like a really luxe hotel with five star service, you know, beachfront access. Sometimes you're headed to New York to see your par delicious sister and visit her new studio that you've never seen before. And you need something, you know, centrally located. You need something with fabulous views. Booking.com has you covered no matter what type of trip it is that you're looking for. And you know us as world travelers, we can't be stopped. My passport is literally expired. I actually realized it yesterday. I'm in the process of getting it renewed, but I take a new picture. Not gonna happen. No matter who you are, Booking.com helps you find the stay that's ridiculously right for you. So find exactly what you're looking for at booking.combooking. yeah, I'm sorry I made fun of you. Do it one time and I won't say anything.
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Booking.combooking. yeah, I like it.
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Any better?
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The kids love it, too. When I spray it on them, they're like, huh?
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Also, if you need a cough syrup, they make a great one.
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I love that. Thank you. You know how when someone talks about lice, your head gets itchy? Like, you talking about, like, the pollen and the need for the sneeze made me sneeze. Thanks, coach.
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Someone talking about lice making your head itchy is such a real experience.
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Right? Like, that's what that was. You were, like, going in depth on six Season, and I had a reaction. Let's get into the story, shall we?
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I. I guess our first story, which.
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I know is really near and dear to your heart, and actually both of our hearts, it's a kind of a.
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It's a combo.
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It's a combo of our favorite subjects. I wouldn't say for, like, our queen queens.
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Are you talking about Gwyneth and Megan?
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Yeah, but, like, I wouldn't say Megan is my queen. You know, I think it's a little more complicated than that.
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Yeah, you're a little too critical of her, like, in an honest and endearing way to have her be considered your queen. Whereas, like, Gwyneth could seriously kill somebody and I would find a way to defend it.
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So we're just, like, heavily interested in both of them, but, like, as a queen Elizabeth Stan, like, Megan will never be my queen. Sorry.
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Right.
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She is my queen. RIP Meghan Markle and Gwyneth Paltrow address their Rumored beef during a surprise hangout. So over the last few days, we talked about a little bit. Last week, Gwyneth was asked about Megan. She gave a very non shady response that everyone took to be shady. And then she posted a video of herself making breakfast in her kitchen. Just like a party vibe. Eggs, bacon, coffee, Montecito. And put on the song Everlasting Love over the video. And people really took that to be a dig at Megan. And honestly, I thought it was a little shady.
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Oh, my God.
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So I don't know, just the way it was being positioned. I was like, oh, is this a shade?
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No way. Honestly, I saw people, like, I saw people pitting them against each other before there was anything to even work on because they're in a similar. It's same thing. I have them with Courtney Kardashian. Like, people just assume that if you're encroaching on the wellness space, like, Gwyneth is the queen. And time after time, she shows you exactly who she is. She does not care about other women entering the space. She's extremely supportive. She's also extremely secure in her own business. Like, no one's really going to come. Goop is a billion dollar company. Like, good luck. Everybody else, please join me up here. I welcome you. She has never done what people thought she's going to do when, like, another female celebrity enters the wellness space. So this Megan thing, it was like, have we did. We learned nothing from Kourtney Kardashian. There's no world in which Gwyneth would have given a shit or like, felt competitive or shady towards Megan. I think if anything, like, so. But before even the Instagram story or the Vanity Fair, people had been commenting being like, oh, Gwyneth is rolling over and she's not. She wasn't. I never thought for one second that Gwyneth, like, had anything negative to say or think about Megan.
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I. I believed. I took her at her work because she's not like a jealous or competitive person. And like, we've seen that time and again. But I thought when she posted that breakfast video and maybe I don't see enough of her content. Maybe she posts that all the time. So, like, she does. Was unlike it. But when it was like, framed like that and she used the song, I thought maybe she was maybe just like, stunned in a little, like, no, now this is how you do breakfast in Montecito.
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She's known for her breakfast. She does hashtag boyfriend breakfast. When she started dating Brad Falchuk, this, like, this is what I made My boyfriend for breakfast. And now she, like, always calls it boyfriend breakfast. I've seen her make, like, a thousand breakfasts.
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Right.
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It's. So if you know Gwyneth, like, I do, on, like, a deep, spiritual, emotional, like, level, you never thought anything of it.
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So she did a Q and A on her Instagram. Someone asked, are you comprehending the Meghan Markle beef that social media says you two have? And she's like, no, I don't understand this at all. And she turns the camera. She's like, do you understand this? And it's Meghan, like, chuckling and taking a bite of the food that Gwyneth has made them.
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Now, let me tell you, while I never thought these two had beef, I never expected to see them sitting at Gwen in the standing room table.
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No, same. Especially because people had said they both live in Montecito, and it was said that they are. They've never met, or if they've met, they're not friends. So that just points to, like, the opposite.
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Or. I actually think that, like, a lot of. I could see Gwyneth saying that thing in her Vanity Fair or whatever it was that got taken, like, out of context. I could see Gwyneth having reached out. Yeah. Like, by the way, I didn't say this. I know you live nearby. If you want to come over for coffee and chat, like, I think you're great. And I could actually see, like, people thinking that they were not friendly with one another, bringing them together, having been the thing.
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I totally agree. That's how I saw it go down to, like, a clarification text message. Hey, let's get together.
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Yeah. Having my people call your people.
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Yeah.
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Now it takes a lot to shock me. I was genuinely shocked.
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I thought she was just turning it to, like, her assistant or something.
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Well, by the way, if you watch the Q and A, she's doing it at the same kitchen table, like, the whole day. And she was asked a question about being, like, a female founder, and she's like, oh, well, I'm actually sitting here with my partner. And they turn the. The camera to the partner who's sitting, like, in Megan's seat at the time, and they answer this question about, like, being a woman in business. So when she turned the camera, I thought she was going back to her partner.
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Yeah. Do you think Gwyneth will do her podcast of Confessions of the Female Founder?
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That's a really good question, because Gwyneth has a podcast, a very successful podcast. Nikki Glaser's actually on it this week. I Was seeing clips that same. Actually looked like I wanted to watch it.
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I feel like when you have a podcast, you're more inclined to do a podcast.
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Or, like, if you're gonna do it, you do you want it on your podcast or on the other person's podcast.
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B
And you do a pod swap in a situation like that.
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A
Yeah. I feel like celebrities at this tier, like, we're getting one, not two pod swaps. You know what I mean?
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B
I don't know if they have two in them.
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A
I. No, I agree. I think that it would be great for Megan to go on the Goop podcast to promote her own podcast, and all of her brands agree with that. And I think for Gwyneth, like, she's the more established podcaster and business person here. I think she should host.
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B
Yes. And then also, did you hear the trailer for Confessions of a Female Founder? It dropped two days ago yesterday.
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A
I didn't watch it with sound because I saw the trailer and I saw that Megan is not recording in a studio. She's recording with people on Zoom and a podcast microphone giving Covid. And I really realized kind of the level of effort being put into this project. And if she's not going to put in the effort, I'm not going to put in the effort. To watching the trailer, like, I was really disappointed. Like, female founders. I thought we were gonna see them all looking parchy together in a studio. Where are the clips? No, Zoom. What is. Seriously, what is it? 2020.
- [20:45]
B
That's really crazy. And if you're doing Zoom, you better get the best guess ever, because there's no reason why you can't. There's no scheduling conflict. I listened in the podcast app, so I had the podcasting experience, the audio.
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A
Experience, I had the visual. So together we had one full thing.
- [21:02]
B
And I found it really impossible to finish even just the trailer. It was just really. It was really difficult, like, and I didn't even know who we're talking to. Who was she talking to? Anyone we know?
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A
Right. That's the thing. Like, what I saw.
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B
Did she show people?
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A
It was just the back of her computer.
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B
Okay. So I. I don't even know who we're talking to. And then it's all these, like, you know, tropes of just, like, cliche shit. And maybe that's the trailer. I'll just keep giving her chances. But I couldn't finish the trailer else to say no.
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A
And it's like, with podcasting, it's like she's almost always there, but not quite. Like, even with Archewell I. What was it called? Archetypes. She didn't do video, which, like, in this day and age, your podcast doesn't exist if you don't have a video. And she had these premium people, but a lot of it was like, smart listen, literally, unless you're smartless. She had all these premium guests who she wasn't recording with in person. There were all these, like, pre taped segments to, like, fill air time. So she was almost there. She got the guests. She didn't really quite get the content, and the video wasn't there. So this time around, I really thought. Because what she's doing is just kind of mimicking other successful ways of making money online. Like, she has the affiliates and she's doing Instagram content, but she's doing it all at, like, she's operating at a. A, a bad level. It's like the Instagram stories are blurry. Now we're getting zoom podcasting. Like Lemonada would stand for this. I find that shocking.
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B
Oh, Lemonada had like a Parchy intro in the beginning.
- [22:27]
A
What was it? Oh, like this. You are listening to a Lemonada podcast.
- [22:30]
B
Like that. But it was like, so Lemonada. Can I play it? I feel like they will love that.
- [22:35]
A
You. You will love it. Lemonada. That's it.
- [22:44]
B
That's it. Like you're at a spot.
- [22:45]
A
Whose voice was that? Megan or. No, just like.
- [22:47]
B
No, I think that's like Lemonade thing.
- [22:50]
A
The CEO of Lemonada. I liked that. Short and sweet.
- [22:56]
B
Yeah. Like you're at a spa.
- [22:59]
A
So I don't think, especially now, knowing what we know about the level of production, I don't think Gwyneth will be going on female founding podcast, Fathers, whatever it's called. But I do think we could see Megan on Goop. Have you seen the group podcast? It's pargy. Like literally the sick studio. It's so Gwyneth's aesthetic, like, very neutral beige, like, really high quality video, high quality audio. It's what you come to expect from a billionaire who's doing a podcast.
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B
Yeah. So that's the latest. We'll see what's next.
- [23:27]
A
Yeah.
- [23:28]
B
Are you ready for our next story? Which is actually some crazy influencer news that dropped yesterday that has a Jewish world in a tizzy.
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A
Oh, my God, Izzy.
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B
That Alex Earl sued a British fitness brand, Gymshark for $1 million after it axed her sponsorship deal over quote, pro Israel views. So gymshark was, which is a British fitness brand, has settled a claim for $1 million from Alex Earl after they allegedly asked her sponsorship deal over online criticism of her pro Israel views. She filed allegations against the company at the High court, arguing it owed her the equivalent of 760, 70,000 pounds in damages for terminating the deal prematurely. So, Alex Earl, October 7th.
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A
No, this is so crazy, because what one brand, like this brand perceived Alix Earl as being, like, radically pro Israel and they found that so offensive. Right. Whereas if you remember, at the time, I was very invested in, like, what people were posting on social media because this was like, sort of the craziest thing to happen to my people in my lifetime. And I remember seeing Alex post like a story, just being like, right after October 7th happened. So there was no war, there was.
- [24:36]
B
No retaliation on October 7th. It was that morning, I think the terrorists were still in the country, right?
- [24:42]
A
Like, rape, murder. It was so, like, it was so not a controversial thing at the time to even say, like, praying for all the people getting murdered and raped. Like, it really wasn't.
- [24:53]
B
And so she just posted that card. I think it was the same one that Kylie.
- [24:56]
A
Kylie. It's like a blue sky and a flag.
- [24:59]
B
And it said, we stand with the people of Israel. Something like that. So you post about anything. When something happens in the world, that's usually the textbook. Like, we stand with la. We. Anytime there's a tragedy, we stand with them. Okay?
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A
And I remember being like, oh, okay, like, like me. My bar is so high. I'm like, oh, she's phoning it in a little bit. And then she ended up deleting it because I assume she got so much backlash, which is crazy. Now we now know two years later there was even more backlash. And I'm sure part of the reason why she deleted is because she had this million dollar deal and the brand is, like, coming at her neck for. For posting something completely innocuous. And honestly, good. Like, I stand before. Like, I happen to love Alix Darl. I think she's, like, so cute and adorable now I know she has a backbone. And like, I. There's nothing you could say to make me dislike this girl.
- [25:49]
B
Yeah, no, she. I mean, she did take it down, which at the time we were really hard on her for. And I feel bad about that now because I know where her heart is at and it's with the people of Israel. And so then when she was, like, asked to clarify and comments, she was like, my heart continues to be with everyone who has been impacted by these horrifying acts of terrorism. She said, like, people are getting raped and murdered. Like, I'm against that.
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A
It Was so not a crazy stance.
- [26:11]
B
Like, not at all. But the fact that then she didn't, like, swing the other way and post just to appease people like, that is what we would call a backbone in this day and age. And that she's not letting this brand get away. Well, terminating her contract and she won.
- [26:26]
A
The fact that she then pursued legally, which she has every right to do, and the fact that she won is, like, proof that the law was on her side and that the brand acted like, in breach of contract. But I think a lot of people maybe wouldn't have pursued the legal route because it creates a bigger story. And I'm sure this, like, little, you know, this moment of backlash is not something she wants to become a national news story. And when you do sue someone, like, look, we're talking about it now. Now it's a story. It's back in the news, even though this is two years old. So I think a lot of people would have avoided that because she makes a lot of money. And I know a million dollars is, like a lot of money, but when you're at that level, like, it's not a million dollars to you.
- [27:00]
B
It's like one brand deal in a sea of brand deals. And I didn't even know she does. Jeff with Gymshark. She has so many more, like, prominent brands that she does. She might have been able to let this go, but no, like, on principle.
- [27:11]
A
And also give me my money 1,000%.
- [27:15]
B
Yeah.
- [27:16]
A
So, like, respect.
- [27:18]
B
Yeah. She had said at the time, she had said, I'm shattered over the inexcusable, disgusting, disrespectful torturing of women, children, bab. Many others. There are no words to describe a tragedy of this magnitude and the mass devastation it has caused.
- [27:33]
A
I feel like I need to know. Not me. Placing an order@sip margs.com like, how can I support.
- [27:38]
B
I think we need to sip on some sip. Margs.com I think we do, too.
- [27:42]
A
After, of course, we sip on some spritz. Society.com Ben's going to get lost.
- [27:46]
B
No, but it's different. She does margaritas. We do.
- [27:48]
A
She does tequila. We do wine.
- [27:49]
B
It's so different. Couldn't be the same.
- [27:51]
A
I like, not like, subscribe, comment, rate, review, whatever I can do to support this queen.
- [27:57]
B
Yeah. And also not her, like, putting this brand on blast because I don't really know this one, but I actually had just seen, like, yesterday before this, a video of this girl. She had, like, was taking before and after selfies at the gym because she was Losing weight. And she's wearing these Gymshark leggings. And they are, like, flesh colored. They are meant to be, like, pink camo, but it seriously looks like she's naked and it's horrible. And she's like, they're horrible. And she actually dyes them at home, like on her kitchen.
- [28:24]
A
Oh, that's funny.
- [28:25]
B
Like, to make them black. And it was just like the opposite of a good ad for gymshark. So it's just a bad day for Gymshark. But that's what happens when you're bad things.
- [28:34]
A
Things I won't be purchasing. Gym Shark.
- [28:37]
B
Like, seriously.
- [28:37]
A
Not that I go to the gym.
- [28:39]
B
She's such a queenie for this.
- [28:41]
A
I was shocked when I heard this story. I thought for sure it was like, fake news. And then I googled it and it was like, league. It's in the uk, so it hasn't really hit, like, American media so hard. But it was in all like, the Daily Mail, the Independent. Yeah, because it's happening over there.
- [28:53]
B
Yeah, because when I was looking for stories this morning, I didn't see it anywhere. And then I remember that I wanted to talk about it and I had to go and look for it.
- [28:59]
A
Right.
- [28:59]
B
But go off. Queen.
- [29:02]
A
Queen.
- [29:03]
B
Sitmarks.com sitmargs.com they look so amazing tasting.
- [29:08]
A
I drink my coffee, but I wish it was a sip. Marg.
- [29:11]
B
And I'm gonna be listening to Hot Mess on repeat.
- [29:14]
A
I love that podcast. You know, actually, I really love that sister Ashton. I just started following her on all platforms. She's got something too.
- [29:22]
B
And Alex, that's a really good question. What are their dynamics? Like, if you had to apply them to us? Who's who? I just assume that I'm Ashton. She seems like the one that's like, Alex is like, fun and outgoing.
- [29:37]
A
No, they both really are. But, like, we just know Alex better. They're very similar. Alex is older, more sober.
- [29:44]
B
Not in an alcohol sense, but just in like a. You know, the little sister who's growing up fast.
- [29:49]
A
To be honest. Like, I don't know enough about their, like, personalities. Yeah, yeah, but I. Stan.
- [29:55]
B
I Stan. Our next story, some new music news. Something that's been in the works in a lot for a while has been announced that Miley has announced her visual album Something Beautiful with a release date. So Miley has announced her upcoming visual album called Something Beautiful, which is releasing on May 30. Though details surrounding the record are scarce, she revealed that her ninth album will feature 13 original tracks and is executive produced by. By her and Sean Everett. She also.
- [30:24]
A
I just feel like I need to use this as an opportunity to speak my truth.
- [30:28]
B
Okay, but let me just give a few more details. She also revealed the album cover, which is artsy shot of her in a Mugler couture. And it's 13 songs with accompanying music videos. Making it a visual album. And it will tell some story. It's some, like, pop opera.
- [30:44]
A
Right? Because that brings me back to my. My truth. I know what is a visual album. And, like, we need to stop coming up with new words. So you're making music videos for your songs, like, but I think, like, each.
- [30:53]
B
Music video relates back to another. Like, I think it's like, one long music video.
- [30:58]
A
So it's a movie, but it's, I.
- [31:01]
B
Guess, a visual album. So it's a musical kind of like Kelsey Ballerini's. Was that a visual album?
- [31:07]
A
Was there a Penthouse video for every single song?
- [31:11]
B
Yeah, but it was short.
- [31:12]
A
But it was an ep, so it was like six.
- [31:14]
B
Yeah, it was a visual ep.
- [31:15]
A
I know when I think of visual, I feel like the term visual album came from Beyonce's Lemonade. And when she did it, it was, like, revolutionary. And now I just feel like people are trying to be different now. This is not me hating on Miley, because I do want to say this is the first time I feel like Miley's released an album where I feel like I'm really out of place to not, like, sleep on it and not.
- [31:31]
B
You want to accept it.
- [31:32]
A
I want to understand it. Like, I want to really dive into it. I feel like, for me, but also for her, she's at a great place of. Of joy and understanding, and I feel like she really knows who she is. And. And I'm. I'm actually. Exactly. I'm ready to show up for her in a way that I can be proud of.
- [31:49]
B
I agree. And there's been, like, whispers about her new album for a while now. And so this is, like, what we've gotten. And I'm also just, like, a little worried. I don't want to doubt her, but, like, it does look very artsy avant garde. Like, Lady Gaga, like, above my pay grade. A little bit like that. And then veering a little bit, like, towards Dead Pets. I'm just like, that's my concern. Not in, like, a. Wow. Just in, like, a very extreme, extreme sort of way. I don't know. But, like, what I was seeing wasn't like, oh, my God, I need to see this now. Maybe it's something I will grow into. And I need to, like, mature in my understanding of art, but it looked a little bit out of my reach.
- [32:31]
A
And does it look, like, so different than the previous era of, like, Flowers? Yeah, it's like, no, I used to be crazy.
- [32:39]
B
It's very punk, hard, like, you know, metal.
- [32:43]
A
Like, is it closer to, like, Glass Hearts or whatever? Whatever.
- [32:47]
B
That album was called Flowers. It's not. It's not, like, stripped down Malibu. It's. Honestly, it feels like something from Lady Gaga. Like, with the sharp edges, sharp, chiseled cheekbones. No eyebrows, which, by the way, I love no eyebrow representation. More of that interesting.
- [33:03]
A
I mean, I'm gonna reserve judgment and show up in a meaningful way.
- [33:07]
B
Same. I just, like, that was my. I thought that's what you were gonna say, which is, like, initially, like, just the initial visuals, like, just feel like out of my grasp.
- [33:14]
A
It just. It looked like monochromatic black white as.
- [33:17]
B
A piece of uncultured swine.
- [33:19]
A
Yes, of course. Of course.
- [33:20]
B
Who just wants everything served to me in a digestible way.
- [33:23]
A
Yeah. Like, palatable, like, for idiots.
- [33:25]
B
Yeah. Like kids bop.
- [33:28]
A
Literally.
- [33:30]
B
So I will, of course, support her, and I love her dearly, and I'm rooting for her. And I agree she's in a great place right now. So I don't think this is, like, a work of a madman.
- [33:39]
A
No, no. Sometimes, like, when someone's really, like, not in a good place, but also, like, has no sense of self and they just, like, put together being like, this is me, and we like. It comes off very confusing for the fans. Contrived. And so I feel like with this last year, like, Miley's been, like, in a really stable, happy relationship. She's had a lot of success. When I feel like she wasn't really trying so hard, I feel like she was trying really hard for a while. And, like, people weren't noticing since she was just like, it and was writing music, like, just that she felt like writing. And that's how we got flowers. That's how we got Used to Be Young. And that's where she got her Grammys. And so I want more of that.
- [34:14]
B
Used to be Young song. Don't Sleep.
- [34:16]
A
That song is so par.
- [34:19]
B
I. I know. I love it.
- [34:22]
A
It's like. It's one of those. It's. It's a. It's almost in the category of songs that, like, are. If you think about them too hard, you'll start to cry.
- [34:29]
B
Yeah. Oh, my God. I was listening to an old Sam Hunt song yesterday because he had.
- [34:34]
A
Which one?
- [34:35]
B
2016. Do you know it.
- [34:37]
A
It came out like the song is called 2016.
- [34:39]
B
Yeah. And it came out like 2020. And it's just like all about his regrets. And I remember I listened to it all throughout Covet. So maybe that's why it was making me email. Because it was like just. I was reminded of. I think it was like the first song on Quarantine's. But like, it's such a party song and it's like just something about. It's like so sad. Like about everything. He would do differently.
- [34:58]
A
No, sometimes like songs, I drive a.
- [35:01]
B
Thousand miles to your house walking like I walked out.
- [35:06]
A
Oh, wait, did you say Sam Smith?
- [35:09]
B
Sam Smith.
- [35:11]
A
Oh, my God. I was like, so confused because I'm like, she is, I think, misgendering Sam Smith. And I really don't know how we're gonna navigate this. And I was like, also, I didn't know that Jackie listens to Sam Smith. I was so confused. I'd drive a thousand miles to your house. I fucking love that song. And you know I hate Sam Hunt.
- [35:34]
B
Lied.
- [35:34]
A
The T is back from. From you, Raz. Yeah, of course I know 2016, bitch.
- [35:39]
B
Okay. I'm glad we're on the same page. And you guys should listen to it and let me know if it's like so good because of quarantine or because it's just so good. You're like, you're not listening to me because you know we're cutting it out.
- [35:55]
A
And I was going to correct you, but I actually don't know Sam Smith's pronouns. So I was just like, that's.
- [36:01]
B
I used just Sam Smith.
- [36:03]
A
Right, Right. Sam said yeah and Sam did. Oh, and then it's Sam Hunt. Yes. It is the first song on Quarantines. I know exactly what you're talking about. And I like that song too.
- [36:17]
B
Listen to it again. Like, it really hits like, fresh.
- [36:21]
A
In case you don't live forever by Ben Platt is of course. That's like.
- [36:24]
B
That's like seriously hit the red button like, for like emotional destruction.
- [36:29]
A
Yeah. And then there's an anti grammar song I like, can't listen to without crying.
- [36:33]
B
Interesting.
- [36:33]
A
Is it called like I'm yours or something? I'm not sure. And of course, if I'm on a plane, the list gets bigger.
- [36:41]
B
But of course, of course. And it's just every song. Are you ready for our fourth story?
- [36:47]
A
Yeah, it.
- [36:49]
B
You know Shailene Woodley has a new man.
- [36:52]
A
I know.
- [36:52]
B
She was spotted cozy in Paris with Lucas Bravo, who is from Emily in Paris.
- [36:58]
A
Yeah.
- [36:58]
B
Gabrielle, the chef Are people, like, dying over this?
- [37:02]
A
No.
- [37:03]
B
Aren't they dying over Gabrielle?
- [37:05]
A
So he is very much. I feel like the big. You know how every Michael Patrick King show has, like, an Aiden and a Big. A Josh and a Charles, a Gabrielle and what's the other guy's name? I have stopped watching the show. I feel like his name's Alvin.
- [37:23]
B
I don't think it's Alvin or his.
- [37:25]
A
Name is Alvin in real life. Hold on, Emily. I know. I need to know. Alfie. Okay. I was close.
- [37:33]
B
It's different.
- [37:35]
A
And so for me, when I saw this picture of Luca Brava. Luca Brazzi and Shailene, my first thought was, wow, he's much more handsome in the show. Not to be rude. Second of all, I guess Aaron and Lucy and Shailene are never getting back together.
- [37:50]
B
But I just want to say this actually bodes well for them because he looks just like Aaron. Wet. Like. I know, like, you probably don't think, like, oh, that guy from Emily in Paris, the chef looks like Aaron Rodgers. But in this picture, maybe even, like, just he looks like Aaron. And that's, like, TMZ's headline. Like, she's with Aaron's look alike.
- [38:05]
A
The funny thing about Shailene is, like, she's this otherworldly type of queen. Right. You know, she gave up all of her material items. She, like, doesn't wear shoes. She probably, like, doesn't wear deodorant either. But she, like, won't give up, like, the star, you know, like, a girl like that you think would be dating, you know, kind of what Lana Del Rey did. She married, like, a crocodile hunter. And you think Shailene Woodley would date, like, you know, a hike. A professional hiker or something?
- [38:28]
B
Yeah, like a marine biologist.
- [38:30]
A
Right. Her vice is, like, famous hot men. And she's not giving. She's not giving it up, even though she's given up all her other worldly items. And I kind of love that about her.
- [38:40]
B
Yeah. But maybe she, like, tells herself that she's kind of with men, even though they're heartthrobs. I don't know anything about Lucas, but.
- [38:48]
A
Like, Aaron, there's really not a lot to know.
- [38:50]
B
Aaron was also of that elk of, like, you know, ayahuasca living on the earth. Like.
- [38:56]
A
Yeah, but they're both still a part of, like, the corporate Hollywood evil, greedy machine.
- [39:01]
B
But, like, it's probably nice for her that she had someone that she could, like, relate to. Now she hasn't taken it all the way, of course.
- [39:06]
A
Yeah.
- [39:08]
B
But I feel like she does sort of seek out people who are naturalists such as her.
- [39:13]
A
Yes, but if she was a true naturalist, like, she'd be dating a camp counselor. You know what I mean?
- [39:17]
B
Of course. But maybe she's not true. You know, maybe you could just be like something.
- [39:22]
A
Some of us are just not true. And that's fine.
- [39:25]
B
But, like, you could be like a little bit something or even a lot of it, but not all the way.
- [39:30]
A
Yeah, maybe she's a little bit natural. I'm a little bit natural.
- [39:34]
B
And also maybe, like, that's where she'll end up. Maybe she's on that journey to end.
- [39:38]
A
Right, right.
- [39:39]
B
That's her true love is if as.
- [39:40]
A
Long as you're ascending, not descending.
- [39:42]
B
Yeah.
- [39:42]
A
In your naturalism is a hiking tour guide. You think Shailene Woodley takes Advil?
- [39:50]
B
I. No, I don't think Aaron Rodgers takes Advil.
- [39:57]
A
I mean, he gets injured. Like, I think you need to.
- [40:00]
B
I don't know. I just feel like he goes, like. And runs on a treadmill underwater instead.
- [40:04]
A
That's, like, funny to me when people won't take Advil, but they'll take Ayahuasca. Like, okay, pop off.
- [40:08]
B
No, that. I understand that sort of. It's like, of the Earth, I guess. I don't know. But Advil, I don't know. I'm not interested in, like, do they take advocates? I feel like Advil also. Loki doesn't work. Like, do you take Xanax?
- [40:22]
A
Advil definitely works. I can tell you, as somebody who's dependent on it.
- [40:27]
B
Are too big for Advil.
- [40:28]
A
1000%. Of course. Who comes like, Devin from Love is Blind.
- [40:33]
B
A torn Achilles is too big for Advil.
- [40:35]
A
Did you see that Devin from Love is Blind did actually comment on the ibuprofen abuse being like, no, no, you guys.
- [40:43]
B
By the way, no, I didn't see that.
- [40:45]
A
He was like, you guys misunderstood. I was like, oh, okay, thank God. And then he explained it and it was like, oh, no, we understood. What you just said is exactly what we thought. Okay, what did he think you abused Advil? I think he thought people thought he was, like, getting crunk on Advil. No, we never thought that because we know you can't. We just thought that, like, you were using Advil as, like, a crutch for your pain instead of, you know, like, fixing it. And he's like, yeah, that's what I was doing. Like, okay, thanks for clarifying.
- [41:14]
B
So you agree you think you're really pretty.
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So you agree, you think you're addicted to Advil?
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Thank you,/Turtle.
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A
You're welcome.
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B
Our fifth and final story. So Erica, Jane and Bose were on Watch what happens live last night and they shaded Garcelle for quitting Real Housewives of Beverly Hills after the explosive reunion.
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A
So by the way, like, we reported Garcelle leaving yesterday and we were like, why? Turns out like, everyone hates Garcelle. Not one of them liked or commented on her announcement of her leaving. Except for Jennifer Tilly. We got the trailer for the reunion. She like, storms off. So clearly something happened.
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B
And I just want to say, like we called it yesterday. Like, that video was lacking a lot reason to tear. Like, okay, that's all really nice. Why are you leaving? And now we know more. So we saw the trailer for the reunion where it seems like now that there's this bragus between her and Sutton that she's kind of like burned to the ground.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
Because the reason for the bragus was Sutton is because Sutton wants to be a part of the larger group more. And, you know, starting with Kyle. And so then when, if she's successful in that, that kind of leaves, like, Garcell on this hater island alone. And it seems.
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A
It does.
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B
It seems like that's where she is. She ends up the reunion. And I also think, like, in her confessionals this season, Garcelle's always shady, but she was pretty shady. So she has a lot to answer for at the reunion. Like, just a lot of, like, comments and stuff. So I imagine she had a hard time. She storms off, she says, fuck you all.
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A
Sutton doesn't have her back.
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B
She did not take a cast photo. They said on Watch what Happens Live. And they knew she was going to quit after that. And they are they. So he asked, like, what are your thoughts on Garcelle quitting? They both, like, just sort of smirked and, like, wouldn't say anything. And he's like, you guys have no thoughts on it, neither of you? And after Erica urged Bose to say something, both said, look, I'm disappointed that she's departing after the reunion. I wish she would have stuck around to work out another season. Then Erica said that she knew Garcelle would quit the show after she stormed off the reunion and refused to take the cast photo.
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A
Well, the thing is, is actually about Garcelle, whereas there's a couple of, like, dynamics at play. I actually do agree with her when it comes to Sutton. Like, Sutton is such a loser for, like, not wanting to give up. These women who don't like her, they don't have a good relationship and really aren't there for her in a. In the way that Garcelle shows up really meaningfully. No, as a friend for Sutton. So she's like, totally justified when it comes to Sutton. But I do wish she didn't let herself get so alienated from the other couch because she needed more support. And she didn't get it because she planted all of her flags in Sutton. And Sutton was like a. A terrible friend. And I wouldn't be surprised if they're not friends anymore.
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B
She could have maintained decent friendships with other people, people by not always having Sutton's back. Like, she could have had a friendship. Ish. With Erica and Kyle and not let Sutton's fights become her own. Because then when Sutton solves those issues, like, Garcelle is still is left with the anger. They're alone. Yeah. And I also, yeah. Saying the whole time they're like, Kyle doesn't have Sutton's back. Like, Sutton has Kyle's back. And they're all like, talking about this, how Kyle's not a good friend to Sutton. And I'm thinking, like, yeah, Kyle doesn't have Sutton's back. That's not what a friend does.
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A
And then Kyle very reasonably explains why to her finally.
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B
And she's like, why the would I have her back? Like, I don't agree with what she's saying in these instances. She literally drilled in on me last season. Like, why? And they're like, because she really cares about you. Kyle's like, that's not my fucking problem.
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A
Like, 1000%.
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B
Actually. Really funny to hear it from. Kyle's like, wait, she's upset about me? Like, why? Get over it.
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A
The only good point that Sutton made on last night's episode was that because what everyone's saying about her is true, I don't think it was like this. This coordinated attack. It's just like they all came to the realization of the truth together. Like, I don't think it was a big deal, but she's like, it is annoying. Like, and she did say it, like, this way. She said it in a dumber way. But her point was valid in that, like, Erica can't let go of the interrogation of the LA Times article. And she's right. Like, that's her trauma, that's her truth, whatever. But Sutton was not the only one at the time who was, like, asking questions. She was the most direct. She was kind of the face of the movement. But Kyle and a little bit to read were like, you know, under the surface. And then of course, the conversation with the husbands. So I think they've worked it out. But, like, she holds almost no resentment to Kyle and Dorit and all of it on Sutton, and that's not 100% fair.
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B
Agreed. As much as I'm an Erica apologist now, it's crazy to think that all of that could have happened with Erica and it wasn't going to be mentioned or people were going to. Weren't going to ask questions. So I feel like the way that Kyle and, like, ask questions didn't push her too hard, didn't get her to a place where she would have to say something that might violate legal things. Sutton did that, though.
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A
Like, that's what a friend would do who also needs to do their job.
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B
Right. The idea that no one's going to talk about it is crazy. It was the biggest story in the country. It's a crazy thing that happened. For a while, it was not clear if Erica had any. Knew about any of this. So you have to kind of get to the bottom of it. The way that Sutton went about it, like, never letting Erica breathe was completely different.
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A
Yeah. And not what, like, a friend does.
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B
No, that's what an enemy does. Not even a passerby. That's an enemy that just, like, can't give you one pleasant meal without bringing it up. And I understand, like, at the time, she was asking a lot of questions at which people wanted to know, but if you care more about your relationship with Erica than you do care about.
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A
Pleasing the relationship with the fans.
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B
Right. Then you might have backed off a little bit.
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A
Now, did you have any idea that last night's episode was the finale?
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B
I did, because they said this season.
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A
On Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I had no idea. They're on the beach dancing, and then it says Doreen and Piquet. What? I was shocked. I don't remember a time in recent history where they've ended on a trip.
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B
Yeah. But I'm ready. Like, I'm even. This was just a regurgitation of the fights of the season. There's nothing here. We need a reunion. We need Coombs afresh. So I'm excited for the reunion next week, and I'm ready to, like, get up to speed on what's been going on in the ladies lives. Same.
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A
The one month later Tom Girardi update was not necessary. I literally don't care. Like, he's.
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B
I think we decrepit break that week because it was, like, late August. So I think that was, like, the one summer week that we took off because I was like, did we even talk about this?
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A
It's just, like, a non. We know he's guilty. Okay, fine. He's legally guilty now. He's like a decrepit old man in a nursing home. He has not one dollar to his name. Like, it's. It's sort of like. Like, who cares? Like, I. I didn't think it was worth picking the cameras up again. And I feel like it was sort of emblematic of the entire season where, like, nothing really happened. They're making a lot of mountains out of molehills. And that's exactly what that whole one month later thing was for me.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Now I love to see my two queens, Erica and Bose, being besties on Watch Robins Live. Like, I just. I couldn't love bows more if I tried. I just think she's such a great addition. And I loved that she got everybody to dress up in last night's episode. Like, everybody went full balls to the wall for the carnival theme. Like, old, young. I mean, these women look amazing. It's insane. They're in their 50s and 60s. Like, it's fucking crazy. They looked so great. It was so fun. She really planned a good trip. I think she's a great housewife. I'm 100 sure she'd be asked back. I don't see why she wouldn't be. And so that was a great addition on Bravo's part.
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B
Yeah, no, she's been great, and the trip looked fun. We'll see what happens, who they replace Garcelle with. But it's really. It's crazy that Garcelle left because of alienation and not just, oh, you know, in my son's high school year.
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A
Yeah. And it does make her look a little silly that she dropped it, like, right before the trailer because it's like, you, like, clearly lied, you know?
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B
Yeah, it makes her look silly.
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A
Yeah. But it is, I think, like, a cautionary tale for women who go on the show because a lot of times people do find success in being, like, a mouthpiece and being, like, a sidekick, almost. Not a sidekick. A part of a dynamic duo. And when your whole personality is your friendship, it's very Danielle from Summer House. Like, you're literally Lindsay's mouthpiece, and you're known for fighting Lindsay's battles. And it's like, well, where did that get you? You're not on the show anymore. You need to really establish an identity outside of, like, that one friendship and make meaningful connections with other women.
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B
Yeah, but I just feel like it didn't have to be this way for Garcelle whatsoever. Like, I mean, Danielle is, like, I. Not even apples to apples, because Garcelle has, like, a huge personality. She has a lot of strong opinions. Like, she's not just, like, boring. Sutton says, you know, like, yeah, she can fend for herself. So I don't know why this season she really just pigeon told herself into being, like, Sutton's backup.
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A
Yeah, it was a bad call.
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B
And didn't, like, pursue relationships with.
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A
It wouldn't have been too late if she had done it this season.
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B
No, not at all. She could have, like, struck up a friendship with Bose and maybe Nazari, because, like, I think she. She actually hates dislikes, like. Yeah, truly, those two dis, like, actually more than Sutton and Dorit dislike each other. Like, Dorit and Garcelle, like oil and water. And I know.
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A
I said, kyle, oh, sorry.
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B
Like, she could have worked on her.
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A
Friendship with 1000 through Sutton.
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B
And it was so crazy because Sutton, like, the way that she was framing everything and they actually showed I mean, there was too much flashback footage. It's like we. We just all saw this.
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A
But that editor really has it out for Sutton.
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B
Well, they said, like, they were showing how everyone attacks Sutton. They were showing all, of course, different. They showed nine frames of people attacking Sutton, and then they also showed nine frames of Sutton attacking other women. And the things that Sutton is saying is so much worse. Horrible that the other women are saying. Like, it's crazy that Sutton really sees herself at this victim when it's like, no, you give it right to them. Like, you start so much.
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A
I know, and that's why I feel what I said yesterday. And I felt it even more on last night's episode. It's like, Sutton is the lightning rod this. Of this group. Right. She's on the outs, and she says the crazy things, and there's always somebody like that, and they frustrate you and they're annoying, but they make the show good. And I just feel like she's really not a worthy. Like, she's not a good lightning rod. She's like, she's weak. She could cries. She doesn't. Like, I. I feel like we're going to continue on with this Sutton storyline for the next. Because it's like, it is the storyline. And I just. I don't find her interesting. I'm actually really ready for her to leave. She's like, the opposite of Lisa Rinna, where it's like, you could say what you want now about Lisa Rinna, but she was interesting. She was tough and she was wild, like. And she had a backbone. Like, Sutton is just here one day, there the next. It's boring, and it's just not. She's not a good villain.
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B
Yeah. Lisa now, also, though, like, with some. It just felt like she would say anything to.
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A
Yes. There was a point where she was really nuts.
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B
Yeah. So that wasn't always the greatest. But we'll see what happens at the reunion now that everyone has said. Seen what everyone else has said and what's been going on all season. Like.
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A
Right. I liked that Erica responded on what Happens Live because Garcelle, you're right, has been, like, particularly shady in all of her confessionals this season. And she said something really fudgeing nasty last night out of nowhere. Like, in her confessionals, she was talking about Erica. She's like, well, you know, I married for love. She married for money. Okay, first of all, we weren't even talking about marriage. Like, I don't know why. Objection. Relevance. And Andy asked if Erica wanted to respond to that and she was like, yeah, we both married, like, ugly old white men and we both got cheated on. So at least I had the money. It was a good response because I also thought it was a weird thing for Garcelle today. Garcelle to say it would have been made more sense if she was still married to that person. Like, look, you married for love and look what you got. A beautiful relationship. You didn't get anything. You got cheated on. So why are you bragging about that? It was a great response. It was a great response.
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B
That is really, really funny. And then next we get the reunion. Like, they talk obviously about the Sutton wallet comment. And then Dorit is like, to Sutton, like, you act like you live like the Queen of Sheba. You live off a main road.
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A
And you know what? We brought that up and I'm glad somebody did. Now there are a lot of rumors, like Dorit hasn't been able to pay her glam people for, like, them doing her makeup for the reunion. So it is the pot calling the kettle black. But somebody needed to say it.
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B
I don't know. She could get on cameo and pay off her glam bill and she should.
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A
I'd pay for one. Yeah. My sister Jacks love sourdough and Bruno. And I just want to say we are tracking for Anasafi. So just keeping that in mind.
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B
Yeah. And I'm good to go. That's all from us Tomorrow, Jackson.
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A
I are going to be in person in our new page studio and we've got a big weekend of things. Well, not. We have big latter half things. Jax is coming to town. We'll be recording in person. We are recording, actually a guest interview. You know what? I really do guest interviews. But an opportunity came across our desk.
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B
Nikki Blonsky.
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A
Oh, thank you so much for reminding me. Nikki Blonsky passed. They're like her team pass. I'm like, okay, so her. She responded.
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B
No, she's so wrong for that. She would have an amazing time.
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A
She would. And also, it's really not smart to alienate two of your biggest fans, you know, like OG fans.
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B
No, not at all. Who are, like, getting you more cameos. Who are saying it to up your price, like.
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A
Yeah. Who are championing you long before everyone else started.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And everybody is kind of laughing at her right now. We are laughing with her 100. Or we were up until her passing on our show.
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B
Not cool, Nikki.
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A
So we've got photo shoot.
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B
We've got the next big thing next.
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A
Yeah, yeah, right. We could get Nikki Blonsky So we got. You're gonna say, you guys are really gonna be shocked.
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B
The same, but different.
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A
Very, very, very similar. That's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the toast and Monday morning show where we deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday through Friday. And YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube? Please. Come on, don't be cheap. Feel free to subscribe. It's free. It's free.
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B
Even Claudia would do it.
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A
Only if somebody gifted me a sponsorship. I'm no kidding. Thank you, guys. We're Spotify. I shouldn't sign Public radio. Irony Castbox all the place. We listen to podcast. FedEx. Beautiful sounding at wickedly talented. We are.
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Love you. Bye.