Smartless Presents - Peerless: Tuesday, February 3rd, 2026

Summary

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The Toast | “Smartless Presents - Peerless”

Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Episode Overview:
On this lively Tuesday episode of The Toast, Jackie and Claudia dabble in their typical banter, dig deep into pop culture, react to recent entertainment news, and respond to listener advice emails. The girls discuss everything from mall culture and fashion shopping, to viral celebrity moments, Smartless podcast drama, and a review of friendship dynamics. The tone is witty, self-aware, occasionally irreverent, and always intimate with their “Toaster” fanbase.

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Main Theme & Purpose

The episode celebrates female friendship, sharp pop culture commentary, and candid, comedic reflections on daily life. This Tuesday’s installment also pivots around the “peerless” nature of their show (in a playful jab at “Smartless”), and features robust conversation about current events in entertainment, personal anecdotes, and listener Q&A. The tone toggles easily between light-hearted fun, emotional vulnerability, and spicy opinions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mall Shopping, Clothing, and Nostalgia (00:24-03:43)

• Claudia updates listeners on her mall shopping trip, highlighting affordable fashion finds from Mango, and the oddities of modern mall culture.
• Jackie bemoans the decline of traditional malls, comparing today’s mega-malls to theme parks, referencing the American Dream Mall’s financial woes.
• Fashion Talk: The sisters riff on clothing sizes and the quest for cozy but stylish shirts, swapping stories about “cable knit” and the much-beloved “Rory Gilmore sweater.”
• Quote (Claudia, 00:55):
  “I want to shout out Mango for having reasonably priced clothing that is not ugly. I think that's important.”

2. Baths, Self-care, and the Victorian Woman Energy (03:45-06:31)

• Jackie shares her rare experience of taking a bath as a form of self-care, humorously dramatizing the aftermath (“I need to then lay down”).
• Claudia recounts the ordeal of bath pillows becoming smelly and their high maintenance requirements.
• The girls riff on Victorian woman stereotypes and the luxury (or impracticality) of “yearly baths.”
• Quote (Jackie, 04:44):
  “Washing your hair is for the shower. That's an Olympic sport. Washing your hair in the tub... I take a really hot bath, so when I get up, you get like dizzy.”

3. Family, Friendship, and Parenting Real Talk (06:32-13:16)

• Claudia updates on Taylor Strecker’s new baby and the “dad” label drama on the birth certificate (“she's literally about to get a tool belt”).
• Both reflect on the challenge of being new moms, the emotional push and pull between soaking up the baby phase vs. feeling overwhelmed.
• They discuss how keeping busy (mall trips, social outings) is emotionally necessary for new mothers.
• Quote (Jackie, 09:00):
  “I'm definitely overwhelmed, but I think, like, busy is good.”

4. Couples vs Girls’ Night Debate (11:36-12:56)

• Claudia laments Ben’s lack of socialization during her South Florida trip, considering a couples outing to get him out of “house fr” mode.
• Jackie votes for girls-only dinners due to the hassle and preference for relaxation when husbands are home.

5. Rascal Flatts Fangirling & Viral Concert Drama (13:21-17:19)

• The two gear up for an upcoming Rascal Flatts concert, animatedly addressing lead singer Gary LeVox’s recent viral “hootin’ and hollerin’” off-key performance.
• They defend Gary’s legacy, calling for “grace” and pushing back on negativity online.
• Claudia outlines her three requests for Rascal Flatts: 1) Front row tickets, 2) Add “How They Remember You” to the setlist, 3) Stop giving the microphone to the crowd during the best parts of the song.
• Playful naming debate for Rascal Flatts fans: “rascalitas,” “flatistas,” “flat earthers.”
• Quote (Claudia, 14:25):
  “That’s such a negative society we live in. If he crushes it night after night, he gets no accolades. And the one time he’s off, it’s everywhere.”

6. Controversial Pop Culture Headlines (Fast 5 Stories, 22:57 onward)

A. Savannah Guthrie’s Missing Mother (22:58-25:12)

• Discussion of the ongoing mystery as Savannah Guthrie’s elderly mother is missing, possibly kidnapped.
• The two share their horror and emotional reactions to the story.
• Quote (Claudia, 24:46):
  “So sad. Like, I think, like every, like, person's worst nightmare.”

B. Kelly Clarkson Ending Her Talk Show (25:26-28:36)

• Kelly announces The Kelly Clarkson Show will end after its seventh season.
• The hosts discuss Kelly’s motivation (family priorities, possible burnout) and agree she’s going out on top; they look forward to more music and maybe a limited tour.
• Quote (Jackie, 27:05):
  “A job like that, you have to give so much of yourself and it's very, like, depleting on your battery. I think she wants to give all of that at home.”

C. Charlie Puth on Songwriting & Iconic Songs (29:30-32:35)

• Claudia, after a viral Rolling Stone podcast clip, praises Charlie Puth’s musical opinions and taste (listing “Iris” by the Goo Goo Dolls and “Real Slim Shady” as perfectly written songs).
• Jackie and Claudia reflect on songwriting and celebrity; praise for Puth grows (“his musical capabilities are so impressive, but he’s not the biggest star”).

D. Smartless Podcast & Charli XCX Interview “Controversy” (32:45-38:34)

• The sisters address social media backlash over Jason Bateman pressing Charli XCX about her non-desire for kids.
• Both defend the hosts and Charli XCX, saying it was a normal conversation, and criticize “keyboard warriors.”
• Quote (Claudia, 36:36):
  “And if she was, I think they would’ve probably cut it out… If you’re too scared to ask a question, seriously don’t have a podcast.”

E. Eddie Murphy’s Son & Martin Lawrence’s Daughter Expecting Baby (38:50-39:51)

• Surprise and amusement at the fun celebrity family union and the “pressure for the baby to be funny.”

7. Music Nostalgia Tangent – Michael Jackson, Queen, Paula Abdul (41:11-47:48)

• Wild detour into classic music, fueled by memories of American Idol, Glee covers, and iconic stars.
• Brief discussion about the upcoming Michael Jackson biopic and the problematic ignoring of his darker legacy.
• Quote (Claudia, 46:19):
  “He really should have started with the man in the mirror, that Michael—change starts from within.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On mall nostalgia and shirt sizes:
  “Strong, small, medium, large—that’s crazy. Small, medium, large. What about other sizes outside of that?” (Claudia, 00:55)

• On workplace burnout & motherhood:
  “It's just, like, crazy how I literally convalesced for three months after I had Howie. ... Now it's like, I really—the bubble is bursting.” (Jackie, 09:35)

• On defending Gary LeVox’s rough night:
  “Like, sorry. He tried something different; don’t make fun of the girl who took a chance.” (Claudia, 14:37)

• On Kelly Clarkson closing her show:
  “There's nothing worse than, like, ending your show because the ratings stink. To go out on top after seven very successful seasons...” (Claudia, 27:32)

• On modern male-female dating dynamics:
  “In culture, we’re at an inflection point. ... Men are not asking women out, men are not leaving the house. ... I feel like a lot of women are forced to take matters into their own hands.” (Claudia, 63:20)

• On podcast uniqueness:
  “That’s why the toast is without peer. I would say we are Peerless because we do a little bit of all of it. They're Smartless, we're Peerless.” (Jackie, 38:23)

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Advice Segment: “Dear Toasters” (57:22-69:44)

1. Dilemma: Husband’s late mother’s cat is aggressive; new baby on the way.

   • Both agree firmly that the cat should be rehomed—prioritizing mom’s and baby’s health and safety.
   • “It’s not a democracy; this is happening. Get on board.” (Jackie, 59:27)

2. Dilemma: Attracted to dentist; how to make a move?

   • Caution: First, check if he’s married.
   • Be willing to change dentists if he rejects you. The girls advise directness if you pursue the crush.
   • “Instead of asking your friend to DM him, ask your friend who her dentist is.” (Claudia, 63:02)

3. Dilemma: Should I tell my holistic boyfriend I’m on Ozempic?

   • Debate between privacy vs. transparency in relationships; ultimately, both advise telling him.
   • “You don’t want to feel like you’re hiding something from him. … at two years, I think he has a right to know the medications his partner’s on.” (Jackie, 69:28)

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Tone, Style, and Unique Moments

• Warm sibling banter with a playful but honest tone.
• Frequent tongue-in-cheek jabs at podcasting rivals (“Smartless presents Peerless”).
• Willingness to poke fun at themselves and each other (“I just didn’t want to insult dentists!”).
• Musical tangents and asides, including spontaneous singing and Glee nostalgia.
• Blunt, supportive advice that rarely minces words.

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Timestamps for Main Segments

• Intro/Mall Discussion: 00:24–03:43
• Baths & Self-Care: 03:45–06:31
• Parenting & Friendship: 06:32–13:16
• Rascal Flatts: 13:21–17:19
• Fast 5 Stories Begin: 22:57
  • Savannah Guthrie’s mom: 22:57–25:12
  • Kelly Clarkson: 25:26–28:36
  • Charlie Puth/Songwriting: 29:30–32:35
  • Smartless Podcast Drama: 32:45–38:34
  • Murphy/Lawrence Baby: 38:50–39:51
• Classic Songs Tangent: 41:11–47:48
• Advice Segment: 57:22–69:44

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Takeaway

A typical Toast episode brimming with wit, relatability, and a pop culture lens on daily life. Claudia and Jackie’s conversations flip deftly from trendy to timeless, creating a unique space in podcasting: self-aware, unfiltered female friendship that’s as fun as it is “peerless.”

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Transcript

[Claudia]

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

[Jackie]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Claudia]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

The best five things you need to know.

[Claudia]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Claudia]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Tuesday. Hope everybody's having a day that is both par delicious and definitions. And speaking of par deliciousness and defiliciousness, I am honored, humbled to introduce today's guest, Jacqueline Follet. Hello, Jacqueline. Welcome to the show.

[Jackie]

Hey, Turdy Lou. Happy to be here. Okay.

[Claudia]

Cable knit.

[Jackie]

Okay. Stripes.

[Claudia]

Oh, I'm so glad you brought up my shirt. And I didn't bring up your shirt just to talk about my shirt. Don't you feel like everybody's talking about my shirt today?

[Jackie]

We're definitely all noticing that you're wearing a new shirt. Seems to be a new shirt. I'm not going to presume now.

[Claudia]

I'm sorry to the cardboard cadets. This is not from Nordstrom rack, but my cardboard cadets will be pleased to know the shirt is also under 50. I went to Mango. Mango's. So like having at the mall. I went to Mango and I just like, tried on a couple of things. Now I want to shout out Mango for having reasonably priced clothing that is not ugly. I think that's important. But I. I do want to just sort of like tell Mango, like, strong, small, medium, large. Like, that's crazy. That's crazy. Small, medium, large. You know, like, what about other sizes outside of that? So, yeah, the shirt's a little tight, but, like, I just needed shirts and so I went to bingo.

[Jackie]

If it's. Sometimes when you go too big, you get that bulk here. That's what I'm dealing with. Like, I want bigger sizes, but I. I don't want extra bulk here.

[Claudia]

There's nothing better than a big shirt. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie]

A shirt. Yes. But that if it were too big, would not be good. I think it looks nice on you.

[Claudia]

Thank you. So I do feel like everyone's kind of talking about my new shirt.

[Jackie]

Well, we're excited that you have a new shirt and that you're feeling Koji self. Yeah.

[Claudia]

And I went to the mall and it's just malls are amazing.

[Jackie]

You. They are.

[Claudia]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jackie]

It's really sad what's happened to them.

[Claudia]

So you, like they're a thing of the past, right? Like, they're sort of phasing out.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Especially like traditional malls now. Like, your mall has to be like rata. Like a theme Park.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah. Like the American Dream Mall. Like, it has a water slide and Legoland, and it's also a mall.

[Jackie]

And even American Dream, I think, suffers.

[Claudia]

I think American Dream is, like, in financial.

[Jackie]

I think they suffer in silence. I. I think they put on a struggle.

[Claudia]

I feel like it's quite loud. I feel like we're always hearing about how the. The New Jersey, whatever it's called, American Dream Mall, is, like, in financial despair. The people who built it, like, are living in poverty. Like, there's always, like, stories about that mall.

[Jackie]

I feel like they put on a brave face. They're always sending out emails about what Spongebob is doing, and Mr.

[Claudia]

Beast recorded, like, a huge video there.

[Jackie]

They act like nothing's wrong, but I think they're suffering.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I mean, I, for one, I'm glad I didn't, like, ever get into the mall business, but as a mall patron, I went to the mall, like, over the weekend, and I just had such an amazing time. And Ben was sort of striking out, like, every store we went to. He just didn't want it that badly, you know? Like, I was. Sometimes you have to go to the mall, like, within mission. And I went to the mall with a mission. I'm like, I'm not trying things on. Like, if it looks like it fits, it will fit. I went to Mango. I went to Aloe. Like, I went to a couple of stores just to get, like, toast clothing. And I crushed it. Like, every store I got close to Tommy Bahama. Okay. I was crushing it. And Ben was just like, they, like, don't over my size. I just. I was like, I feel like you don't want it bad enough. Like, he was eating such, like, a sour puss.

[Jackie]

He didn't want mall brands. My sweater today, Airy.

[Claudia]

Okay. I walked into.

[Jackie]

I feel like people would.

[Claudia]

Would be shocked that I walked into an aerie Hairy.

[Jackie]

And I think it was gifted, like, a year ago. And it. I wore it, like, all last winter.

[Claudia]

You know what they call that sweater?

[Jackie]

Cable knit.

[Claudia]

Well, technically, yes, but you know what other people call it? The Rory Gilmore sweater.

[Jackie]

Oh, cute. And then I forgot that I had it. But it's been so chilly down here that I'm excited to be wearing it today. It's a great sweater.

[Claudia]

It's. You look beautiful.

[Jackie]

Thank you. As do you.

[Claudia]

Dazzling.

[Jackie]

You know what I did last night? I did something crazy.

[Claudia]

Crack.

[Jackie]

Crazier.

[Claudia]

Death.

[Jackie]

Crazier. I took a bath.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. That is really crazy of you, because I also took a bath, but that's Sort of like a nightly occurrence.

[Jackie]

I haven't taken a bath, you guys.

[Claudia]

Jackie has this amazing bath. It's in the corner, it's by a window. There's art over it. It has multiple faucets. She never uses it. I've probably used your bath just as many times as you have.

[Jackie]

Probably. I haven't taken a bath certainly in over a year because I didn't take one pregnant while I was pregnant and I didn't take one since I've given birth because I only went to my six week, ten week appointment. Right. Last week. But last time, like, my body's just like we hurting, like aching, almost like body aches. But I don't have the rest of a sickness. I feel like I'm fighting something off, but it's, it's taking a toll on my joint.

[Claudia]

So you had to take it to the bath.

[Jackie]

So I was like, oh, my God, I need a soak. So I took a bath.

[Claudia]

Did you wet your hair?

[Jackie]

No, no, no, no. Wetting your. Washing your hair is for the shower. That's an Olympic sport. Washing your hair in the tub especially. I take a really hot bath. So when I get up, you get like dizzy when you get out of the bath. I need to then lay down.

[Claudia]

Quite literally a Victorian woman. You are not built for this time.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So where's Jackie? She couldn't make it to dinner. She had taken a warm bath.

[Jackie]

My bath was too hot.

[Claudia]

Like, that's literally like what happens in those shows. Like the Empress.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Claudia]

She gets like woozy or like, you know when like a woman's like, outside, they're like, are you okay?

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's you. But I enjoyed my bath, my yearly bath. That's I'll see you again next year bath.

[Claudia]

I can't even picture you in the bath.

[Jackie]

And it's like, what do you really do? And every time I'm in the bath, I need one of those pillows that I get Instagram ads for.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

That like, prop up my back because what, I'm going to lay with my neck on the ledge. Like I'm washing my hair at the salon.

[Claudia]

So when you do take a bath and you commit to not wetting your hair, it's definitely less relaxing because just being able to lean back and get your hair wet is very relaxing. I got one actually, Taylor Strecker got me one of those pillows for my birthday because she had one in her house. And I was like, wait, that's amazing. She got me one. I have to tell you and shout out to Taylor it was an amazing gift for, like, two months. It became such a chore. First of all, it became smelly. And once it became smelly, I got rid of it. But, like, you really, in order to properly take care of it, like, need to take it out of the bath every time you use it and air dry it. And I was like, but when it.

[Jackie]

Was in the bath, did it do what you needed it to do?

[Claudia]

No, because the pillow itself, like, does get a little wet. So if you really lean back on it fully, like, your hair gets wet.

[Jackie]

Oh, but take that out. Like, was it cozy?

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackie]

So maybe I should get one for my yearly bath. It has a year to. To dry.

[Claudia]

Yeah. But you're going to put it outside and, like, it's this big, heavy, soaking wet thing. Oh, yeah. It's not all it's cracked up to be.

[Jackie]

Sorry.

[Claudia]

Taylor Strecker. And I know it's expensive, too.

[Jackie]

Well, that was. It's the thought that counts.

[Claudia]

A very good gift.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

She spoke to the Shrekers this morning.

[Jackie]

How are they doing?

[Claudia]

Amazing. They're doing amazing. Like, they're loving every minute. Taylor Shrek keeps calling herself dad, which is cracking me up. And they actually said, I don't want to spoil because they're probably gonna check out on their podcast. But the birth certificate, they have to get it. Like, there's an error on it that says because. Because they're two women, it says Parent one and Parent two. I mean, when they printed it, it said mom and dad. It actually says dad on there, which it can't be. Like, it has to, like, legally be correct. So she's calling herself dad. And it's so funny because she was dad and she has taken on this sort of fatherly role and she a lot. When I was on her podcast and just in her podcast in general about how she was struggling with that identity, but she's like, she is dad. Like, she's dead. She's literally about to get a tool belt. Like, she's dad. It's hilarious. And she's, like, doing night feedings because she's the dad, you know?

[Jackie]

Oh, that's funny. Yeah, she's on diaper duty.

[Claudia]

Dad.

[Jackie]

Dad stuff.

[Claudia]

Hysterical stuff.

[Jackie]

I also have a newborn who eats every three hours again.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah. But you actually, like, do have a newborn. He's like 11 weeks old.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he is.

[Claudia]

Well, how old is he?

[Jackie]

I.

[Claudia]

Let me guess, let me guess.

[Jackie]

14 weeks, no less. I think he's 12 weeks.

[Claudia]

And, you know, it's confusing because I feel like my whole life I've been told that there's four weeks in a month and then you have a four week old, but you don't have a one month old.

[Jackie]

Well, it's funny you bring that up because I don't know if you've seen the stats on this February.

[Claudia]

Oh, is it a historic February?

[Jackie]

Look at the calendar.

[Claudia]

Oh, is it full? Four weeks?

[Jackie]

It's blocks.

[Claudia]

Oh, I like that.

[Jackie]

And you know, because it's 28 days, that's how the month should look.

[Claudia]

I completely agree.

[Jackie]

Whoever. Now that's a month.

[Claudia]

That's a month. That's, you know, it's giving month.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It's like every week is Monday to Sunday. Monday to Sunday.

[Jackie]

Yeah. The first is a Sunday and then the last day of the month is the Saturday.

[Claudia]

I love that.

[Jackie]

It's a beautiful month. Enjoy it, everyone.

[Claudia]

I didn't even much like Cynthia Erivo. I did not know that was happening.

[Jackie]

For those of us who are into months, it's major news.

[Claudia]

I feel like this is big news for people with planners.

[Jackie]

It is. And then March 1st will start on a Sunday. So that looks nice. Up until the three straggler days.

[Claudia]

Nice. I like that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So if you're. I actually want to get out my big calendar. We've been making so many plans. You saw just what I showed you my phone. It looks very busy.

[Claudia]

I feel like you should talk about how your life is so enriched since I, like, decided not to leave. Why don't you talk about that?

[Jackie]

Oh, my life is so enriched. I'm so busy. Zach, is like, is this going to be like an every. Oh, like, is this your new schedule now?

[Claudia]

We were just talking about maybe we were going to go shopping today and.

[Jackie]

I was like, well, while Claudia is here. Yeah. We just have, like, so many things to do. So much fun to be had.

[Claudia]

I just want to make sure I'm not overwhelming you because you do still have, like, you know, a newborn.

[Jackie]

No, like, I'm definitely overwhelmed, but I think that it's good for me.

[Claudia]

Me too.

[Jackie]

I did say, like, my bones feel weary. You've run me down so much I had to take a bath.

[Claudia]

Calcium.

[Jackie]

But I think overall it's really good. I'm having a really good time and.

[Claudia]

You just let me know if you need us to scale it back. We can also do, like, more low key activities. Like, you can just also, like, lay around your house.

[Jackie]

But, like, going to the mall with the babies, like, is a good activity for me because, like, I'm with my babies and we are doing something for us.

[Claudia]

I love.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, I'm definitely overwhelmed, but I think, like, busy is good.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And it's just, like, crazy how I literally convalesced for three months after I had Howie. Like, I did not leave the house the first time. My big outing was your show at msg, and that was in May.

[Claudia]

Oh, wow. I don't know if I realized that my big night was also, like, a.

[Jackie]

Big night for you. It was a big. I remember I was like, I took my pumps out. Now I would be like, I'm going out for a few hours. I'll skip a pump.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Of course, I had Harry in February, and that was my big. Was May. And, like, then I remember with Charlie, like, that was when I started using the baby carrier more because, like, you have a child, you have to get.

[Claudia]

You can't.

[Jackie]

You can. I'll just be home. And now it's like, I, like, really. The bubble is bursting.

[Claudia]

I feel like it makes it go by a little faster. Like, the hard part.

[Jackie]

It does. But you also want to soak it up.

[Claudia]

I know.

[Jackie]

It's. It's the eternal conflict.

[Claudia]

Age old dilemma.

[Jackie]

I try and soak up as much as I can, and I'm like, rata ta. Mama's gotta go. And he's coming with. Yeah, of course he's coming with. We gotta carry her in every color.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Good Matchy outfit.

[Claudia]

I'm glad that, like, we're having fun.

[Jackie]

We are having fun.

[Claudia]

I will go home when we stop having fun. I think that's, like, a good you. But we'll never.

[Jackie]

But then you'll never come back.

[Claudia]

No, but we also. We never stop having fun.

[Jackie]

That's true.

[Claudia]

So I guess I'll never go home.

[Jackie]

But also, if you wait till, like, you hate me, then you'll never come back. You have to leave on a high.

[Claudia]

Well, that is what I do. I, I. But that also happened when I was staying at your house. Like, now that we're in our own little place, like, it's better. When I was staying at your house, I would stay until, like, I actually could not stand you or your family. And then I wouldn't come back for months because I was like, I can't stand these people still.

[Jackie]

Right. So maybe leave on a high.

[Claudia]

Should I go home today?

[Jackie]

No, we have no.

[Claudia]

You hear they're not taking out the trash in New York. I was just talking to your friend. What's he talking to? I talked to a lot of people this morning.

[Jackie]

I was like, sound like it. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Shout out to Alicia I had to check in on my bestie who just had a baby. Had to check in those Trekkers. It's important to check in on people, you know? And I heard about the garbage pickup. Garbage hasn't been picked up in New York and I think in, like, 10 days, so the streets are covered in ice and garbage. I. I ain't running home yeah, I.

[Jackie]

Ain'T running home no, you're needed here. We've got. We've got plans.

[Claudia]

I mean, look at me. Like, I'm kind of, like. Kind of like a social chair of South Florida constantly. Should we go to dinner? I was actually thinking we should go out to dinner this week.

[Jackie]

Oh, you do girls or couples.

[Claudia]

Okay, so I'm actually glad you brought that up, because I was thinking we should do couples because, like, as my. I'm like, every day, I'm like, ben, I'm going here, I'm going there. I'm, like, doing a lot of things, and he's kind of like, being like a. Like a house fr. So I want to get Ben out of the house. We have. We have reverse roles.

[Jackie]

You want to get Ben out of that?

[Claudia]

Yeah, I want to get out of the house. So it's like, okay, maybe we go with husbands. And then it's like a reservation for, like, eight people. It's, like, so many people.

[Jackie]

And then you also have to get a sitter. Like, I like girls because I was.

[Claudia]

Just gonna drop my kids at your house.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. Then I. But, like, then my husband's home, and, like, I feel I can really enjoy myself. I feel like that's what we always suggest on Dear Toasters, and it's like, I don't. I'm sorry, Zach, but, like, this is how I can, like, have more fun.

[Claudia]

I totally agree.

[Jackie]

And it's not because I need to be just with the girls, but it's like, I. I don't want to deal, like, the deal with all that.

[Claudia]

Yes. No, the best feeling is, like, going and having fun while your husband is home. I know that's mean. But, like, with the baby, like, no one. The only. The best thing after me is him.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah. No, I totally agree.

[Jackie]

So, like, you really have peace of mind.

[Claudia]

Okay, so I'll go to a girls dinner. That's my arm.

[Jackie]

Sounds good. But then every time I got. I went out at night twice last week, and I was like, this is not for me.

[Claudia]

I actually agree.

[Jackie]

Catch me during the day.

[Claudia]

I don't love going out at night.

[Jackie]

Me neither. But I do want to go out to Dinner, maybe when it's almost daylight savings, like in a month. And then it will start to be lighter later. And maybe then going out to dinner will feel better. Won't be like pitch black if I'm still here.

[Claudia]

Well.

[Jackie]

Oh, true.

[Claudia]

Yeah. You're making big plans. Like, slow down.

[Jackie]

No, no. But Claudia have to say, for daylight savings, it's true. It really is so impactful here, like, when we get more daylight because we can really use it because the weather is good.

[Claudia]

You know what it sounds like you've been doing?

[Jackie]

Making big, big plans.

[Claudia]

You are so close. Praying for daylight. You were so close.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah. Praying for daylight. And Rascal Flats.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. Yes. So we are going to the Rascal Flats concert. And that is technically why I am still here, because I was not coming back. So we'll reevaluate after Rascal Platz.

[Jackie]

They better put on a heck of a show. Oh, my God.

[Claudia]

We got to talk about that, too.

[Jackie]

Let's talk about this. Okay. So I'm not worried. Rascal Flats. Gary Levox is going viral.

[Claudia]

The lead singer of Rascal Flats for.

[Jackie]

One of his performances. Someone, like, filmed him and posted it, and they said he was, like, hooting and hollering.

[Claudia]

Anybody been to Rascal Flats concert recently? Because he's just up there hooting and hollering.

[Jackie]

And he was, like, off key and all over the place, and it was a mess. I watched the videos, and I can confirm it was messy. However, like, I give him grace. There's no question, there's no doubt that he is the most talented vocalist. If something happened that night to throw him off, whether it was the drink, whether it was the audio, Alex Warren style. Like, that's not Gary Cell.

[Claudia]

It's annoying that, like, Gary's bad night gets so much PR when, like, Gary has night after night. Margot just went like, he crushes it every single time. Now we are going.

[Jackie]

True. That's such a negative society we live in.

[Claudia]

I know. If he doesn't, they get no, like, positive accolades. Yeah.

[Jackie]

For what he does night after night and he slays. And the one time he's. I. I can't even say what was happening.

[Claudia]

Yeah. He was just like. The thing is, he's been singing these songs for 30 years. Like, sorry. He tried something different, like, don't make fun of the girl who took a chance, you know?

[Jackie]

Like, he always. He always riffs and he's like. And it's partial that she was.

[Claudia]

He was challenging himself creatively.

[Jackie]

He was just off. I think he couldn't Hear? Or he was drunk, let's just say. And you know what?

[Claudia]

Like, you would do it too if you're toying with the same bed and singing the same song for like 50 years.

[Jackie]

If my life was listening to Rascal Flatts, like all day, every day.

[Claudia]

I don't know if you would feel that way if you were Rascal Flatts, though.

[Jackie]

That must be how people feel. Maybe about the toes.

[Claudia]

No, no, no, no. Don't think Rascal's a problem. Our problem.

[Jackie]

No, no. If people like I am to Rascal Flats, but the toasters are to the toast.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it's called the fan.

[Jackie]

I feel like you didn't understand what I was saying.

[Claudia]

I just do. While we're on the topic, I have two requests for Rascal Flats. And I do know that people in the Rascal Flats orbit, like, listens to the show. So we are coming to the show and I need you to do two things for me.

[Jackie]

We're coming to show. We don't even have tickets yet. Like, can you please.

[Claudia]

Oh, for. Sorry. I need you to do three things right.

[Jackie]

I need tickets. And we will. We want.

[Claudia]

We want front row tickets.

[Jackie]

And we're a big group. That's the problem.

[Claudia]

We need 10 front row tickets.

[Jackie]

And like, there's not 10 empty seats right now.

[Claudia]

It's kind of like the age old question. Like, we should leave the husbands at home. Except that it's Valentine's Day.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So. Yeah.

[Jackie]

No. And I turned Zach into the biggest Rascal Flats fan. He's not staying home.

[Claudia]

Ben could stay home. Honestly, he's like, I'll go, like, for you. But okay, So I need three things. I need 10 forever tickets. I need you to add one song to your set list. Just like a special one night only. How they remember you. That is my favorite Rascal Platz. So if you guys could do that, that would be great. And then third is just like a general overall thing that Gary does. I really need him to stop doing. I watch every video, every time I get Rascal Flats live performance comes up on my Tik Tok, like, I'm sad. And he does this thing that a lot of performers do. And it is my biggest pet peeve. Like when you get to the best part of the song, like, don't give us the microphone. Keep it to yourself. Like La Visa. Stop. It's so annoying. Like the best parts of the song you don't hear cuz, like the crowd is singing it. Please, I. I really don't like that. Gary, please stop doing that.

[Jackie]

And I will just take whatever show that you have to give me.

[Claudia]

Even if it is a bunch of hooting and hollering.

[Jackie]

Even if it is. I wouldn't even real. Like I wouldn't realize you're in the presence of greatness. Like that fucking ingrate who exposed him.

[Claudia]

Oh yeah. Well, she's on a real flatista.

[Jackie]

Oh yeah. What's our name?

[Claudia]

I don't know. The Rascal.

[Jackie]

Little Rascals. The Little Rascals.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I like rascalitas.

[Jackie]

Me too.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Rascalitas, Flatitas, Flatistas. Well, that's going to be fun.

[Claudia]

Oh, we're called. I know what we're called. Sorry. We're flat earthers.

[Jackie]

Okay. The flats. What if they rebranded the flats?

[Claudia]

I like it.

[Jackie]

That is a cute name.

[Claudia]

I mean, their name is everything.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So they can't. But it's like how Lady Antebellum became Lady A. Yeah. Rascal Flats become.

[Jackie]

Oh no. The Dixie Chicks became the Chicks. That's really more so.

[Claudia]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Once again, like destroying all my calls.

[Jackie]

No. But I also remembered another call that I made. Not the one that we remember. So it was two people like from our personal life that you guys wouldn't even care. But I was thinking of another call.

[Claudia]

It wasn't Hannibal.

[Jackie]

Justin Rose. I was watching Shark Tank last night. Robert Herjavec is the judge equivalent to Derek Hough. For you it's. You liked it when I made it.

[Claudia]

You said that to me already.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

No, you didn't.

[Jackie]

That's the first time I heard it when we were recapping Dancing with the Stars. And I was like, I like Derek. And you're like, yeah. And I was like, I feel like for you, he's like the Robert Herjavec of Dancing with the Sex.

[Claudia]

Oh, okay then.

[Jackie]

Did I like it then? Yeah, you liked it.

[Claudia]

Okay. Okay. So good call. Good call.

[Jackie]

I ate with that things.

[Claudia]

You did that.

[Jackie]

Let's get into the stories. There's a lot of stories today for a Tuesday.

[Claudia]

Yes. And we have Dear Toasters. So we have lots to do.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So without further ado Dat do. Dat do it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you to do need to know.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Today's episode is very wonderful.

[Claudia]

Good.

[Jackie]

Our first story is some really crazy news. The search for Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy is a race against time, says the sheriff. So Savannah Guthrie's mother has been missing for 48 hours.

[Claudia]

The last seen Saturday night, right?

[Jackie]

Yeah, she was last seen Saturday night. She was reported missing Sunday morning when she didn't show up to church. And now it is a missing person's investigation. The investigators have said that they believe that she was abducted from her home, that there was a fight, she did not leave.

[Claudia]

There was a blood. The house is now a crime scene.

[Jackie]

The house is a crime scene. They believe she did not leave willingly.

[Claudia]

I think a lot of times when an elderly person disappears, they'll, like, chalk it up to, you know, cognitive issues. You know, people who are elderly are often found, like, wandering. But it was very clear from the beginning, like, no, she was, like, snatched.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And, like, I. I was talking about this with somebody yesterday. I was like, so was she, like, kidnapped? And you don't ever really use the word kidnap for an old. Right. Because this just, like, doesn't happen. It's so evil.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's a really crazy, upsetting story.

[Claudia]

And she also has health issues, so she takes a daily medication that if.

[Jackie]

She doesn't take, could be fatal for her.

[Claudia]

Right. So it's, like, very high stakes.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Savannah Guthrie posted on Instagram this morning, like, please send prayers. I think she was supposed to head to the Olympics. The Olympics in Milan. She's obviously not going. What a weird, spooky story.

[Jackie]

Yeah. A nightmare.

[Claudia]

A nightmare.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So more like there's not a lot of details that have come out, but I think also, like, the police department don't want to share if they have a suspect in mind. They don't want to let them know, like, what we know.

[Claudia]

Like, what sort of enemies does an old lady who goes to church have? She was a Saturday night with her kids, Sunday morning, church, playing majong Saturday night. You're kidding.

[Jackie]

I just saw that in the Daily Mail.

[Claudia]

Like, couldn't have been more wholesome. Who is targeting this woman?

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Claudia]

Like, seriously, it's the craziest story.

[Jackie]

She lived in a very affluent community where there should be, like, security cameras. We've not seen any security footage.

[Claudia]

I mean, I heard that her home did not have a lot of security except there were a couple of cameras outside that they're working on getting access to. But yeah, it wasn't a hot, you know, hot wired, secure.

[Jackie]

But, like, the front door was unlocked, but there was like signs of 4th century. All the common areas, lights were left on. So it's a very, like, it's a confusing situation. No one knows what happened.

[Claudia]

So sad.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, I think, like every, like, person's worst nightmare.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I hope that they get some answers soon.

[Claudia]

No, I hope she's okay. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Claudia]

So what, like a crazy, crazy story.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Praying for. Yeah, Praying for her. Our next story, some talk show news. Oh, my God. Clarkson confirms that her talk show will end after seven years. She seven seasons. She said this is not an easy decision. So Kelly posted yesterday. I have been extremely fortunate to work with such an outstanding group of people at tkcs, the Kelly Clarkson show, both in LA and New York. There have been so many amazing moments and shows over these seven seasons. I am for grateful and honored to have worked alongside the greatest band and crew you could hope for. All the talent and inspiring people who have shared their time and lives with us, all the fans. Because of all of that, this was not an easy decision. But this season will be my last. Stepping away from the daily schedule will allow me to prioritize my kids, which feels necessary and right for this next chapter of our lives. This isn't goodbye. I'll still be making music, playing shows here and there. That sounds like. I didn't think that you wouldn't be.

[Claudia]

Oh, I thought that the here and there was like, don't get too excited.

[Jackie]

And you may catch me on the Voice from time to time. You never know where I might show up next. It's giving. I just think, like, she didn't have to do this forever. So if she's closing this chapter, like, of course you go back to music. You go back to everything else you were doing. But, like, the fact that she's reassuring us that she'll be making music and performing here and there.

[Claudia]

Right. So I think given everything that Kelly has been through, like, it's not shocking at all that her show is coming to an end. She should prioritize what she wants to prioritize. However, I feel like this is just based off of a feeling. Like, no proof that she's kind of been over it for. For some time. And like, she's ending it more so because of that. Like, if she really loved it and wanted to keep going, like, you know, you can find a way to balance family and everything. I just feel like it was time for her in addition to all the things that she's been through.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I don't know that she's over it, but I think a job like that, you have to give so much of yourself and it's very, like, depleting on, like, your battery. And I think she wants to give all of that at home and not have to show up every day. Ratata, like, when you're not feeling that.

[Claudia]

Way every day, it's also an amazing way to go out. Like, I think you even she's, you know, the biggest and baddest in daytime. But, like, that might not have been the case forever. And there's nothing worse than, like, ending your show because, like, the ratings stink.

[Jackie]

Like, yeah.

[Claudia]

To go out on top after seven very successful seasons and we are getting one more season, which means we'll probably get, like, a fabulous final season with lots of, like, Kelly content.

[Jackie]

It's good.

[Claudia]

I'm not displeased. And I do feel like while I love the Kelly Clarkson show and I love what it's done for her, I feel like Kelly Okee was huge for her Q score rating amongst a new generation of listeners. I wasn't like, watching it a lot like, I do. I'd rather her go on tour.

[Jackie]

I'd rather get music from her. I agree.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I do feel like it hindered her other projects and so there was a time and space for it. But I'm of kind of thrilled that we're gonna go back to the OG Kelly.

[Jackie]

But I don't know why she said it like that. Playing shows here and there, unless that was like, meant to, like, be an easter egg for something.

[Claudia]

No, I feel like she's really not gonna be doing a lot after this. Like, it's easy to release music. It's easy to go on the Voice. Like, you know, you stay in one place. But to tour, especially if she's like, really is prioritizing family, like, being like, yeah, I'll release new music, but don't expect me to go on like a 50 city tour.

[Jackie]

That's fine by me. Just New York or like Vegas.

[Claudia]

We'll come to destination. Yeah, we'll travel.

[Jackie]

We'll travel. For Kelly, she's on the short list. Of people I'll travel for.

[Claudia]

Oh, who's on the list?

[Jackie]

Rascoe Flats, of course. Kelly Clarkson. I would travel for Luke.

[Claudia]

Luke, would you travel for Taylor?

[Jackie]

No. Bruno Mars. But, like, I. I think that's it.

[Claudia]

You said it was a short list.

[Jackie]

Yeah, four. Four.

[Claudia]

That's a good list.

[Jackie]

Yeah. What about you?

[Claudia]

I would travel for. I mean, I have traveled for Luke. I have traveled for Taylor. I have traveled for Rascal.

[Jackie]

I'm aligned, like, once in life. Like, shows that, like, I would travel for one republic. Oh, did we see them?

[Claudia]

We did.

[Jackie]

We traveled to New.

[Claudia]

We traveled to New Jersey. That's not really travel. And I would also travel for the Goo Goo Dolls.

[Jackie]

I've seen them.

[Claudia]

Me too.

[Jackie]

Beautiful.

[Claudia]

Like, genuinely amazing performers. Ecstasy is all you need. Live it in the big machine now. I don't know what the hell they're saying in any of their songs now. Your world is way too fast and nothing's real and nothing lasts. We're all alive. Like, I don't even know what the hell he's saying. You know, Charlie Puth was on this Rolling Stone podcast, and I don't know why I saw so many clips of it. Maybe because the person asking questions, like, was actually asking good questions, and Charlie was actually giving insightful answers, and he is really widely regarded.

[Jackie]

Charlie Puth is a Charlie?

[Claudia]

I didn't realize Charlie Puth was a Charlie either.

[Jackie]

You know, I love a Charlie.

[Claudia]

I do know that. I love a Charlie.

[Jackie]

I've actually been loving Charlie Puth more, you know, good namesake for your son.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I love that.

[Jackie]

And I'm excited for his national anthem coming up.

[Claudia]

Yes. Well, Charlie Puth was asked because he is widely regarded as one of, like, the greatest song.

[Jackie]

One of the greatest. Charlie.

[Claudia]

That, too, actually. No. He doesn't even compare to our Charlie, One of the greatest songwriters of our generation. And he was like, what do you think are, like, five of the best written, most perfect songs? And he said a couple. I don't remember, but I was struck that he said iris by the Goo Goo Dolls. Like, that's someone who knows real music.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to know the other ones.

[Claudia]

I'll find it.

[Jackie]

He really does know real music.

[Claudia]

Yes. And he knows, like, when a song.

[Jackie]

Is written well, he should do a master class on songwriting. Like, that skill. I don't know that. He's, like, always the best celebrity. You know, people like to clown on him. Huh. Okay, maybe Taylor was really, like, being earnest when she said he was underrated.

[Claudia]

I do think she was being earnest. Like, his musical capabilities are so impressive, but he's not the biggest star.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he's not meant for, like, stardom.

[Claudia]

Eminem's real slim shady, notorious. It was very all over notorious b.I.g. juicy.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

They're making me watch the clip. Like, I seriously can't. I guess we're watching the clip.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay. Charlie. Charlie Puth.

[Claudia]

Five Greatest Songs Ever Written and Recorded.

[Charlie Puth (clip)]

See? By Notorious. BIG Don't Want to Miss a Thing by Aerosmith, written by Diane Warren, I think Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head by Burt Bacharach. Wow. I'm just taking a second because I know the Internet lives forever. I think when I heard the Real Slim shady produced by Dr. Dre, the snare drum blew me away on that. And probably Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls.

[Claudia]

Wow.

[Charlie Puth (clip)]

It's so subtle.

[Jackie]

Can I see him?

[Charlie Puth (clip)]

And I'm sure I didn't even mention a James Taylor song, so if I were to do an honorary mention, I'd say something in the Way She Moves. Okay.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Charlie.

[Claudia]

Yeah, no, like, Taylor Swift was on to something, you know?

[Jackie]

I agree.

[Claudia]

Yeah, he's a cutie.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he is.

[Claudia]

Oh, are we talking about the Charli XCX Smart List?

[Jackie]

We are. Okay. Do you want to do that next?

[Claudia]

I do, because I have thoughts, and I think it's funny.

[Jackie]

So Smart List is getting canceled. Smart List is over. Party.

[Claudia]

And it's shockingly not by us. And I'm actually kind of going to defend Smart List really quickly.

[Jackie]

No, they're. That they're getting a little bit of backlash. Jason Bateman, specifically after pressing Charlie XCX on why she doesn't want to have children.

[Claudia]

So I heard, like, a transcription of the. You know, I've read some comments, people being like, claudia never lets Jackie finish the story. And you know what? Like, sorry, okay, let me just give.

[Jackie]

The other people, like, the information if they. If they're not as online.

[Claudia]

And this is me taking constructive criticism. Like, I agree with you guys, but don't get, like, ahead of yourselves. That's all. That's all the constructive system I'll take for the year.

[Jackie]

Charli XCX went on Smart List, as one does, and at one point, they're talking about Charlie growing up as an only child. And Jason then asks her if that influences how many kids she wants to have, wondering if she wants to have more than one kid or maybe one who has the same sort of experience that she did. In response, she said, I actually don't want to have kids. Sean chimed in immediately to ask her, you don't Wait, why, though? A few seconds later, he followed up with, it's none of my business. It's so PC. Then Charlie responded thoughtfully, saying, she likes the, quote, fantasy of having a child. Like, naming it. It sounds so fun, but, like, that is exactly a sign to me why I should not have one. The fact that that feels like the coolest part about it and, like, maybe I'm not ready, you know? However, from there, things got awkward as Jason started telling a story about his own wife. Amanda supposedly did so turny coded by.

[Claudia]

Telling his own story.

[Jackie]

He didn't want children before she met him, and now they have two daughters. He suggests that she might find somebody who will change her mind, too, to which she replied, well, I'm married. He then joked that he needed to read a newspaper. And then he followed up with another joke, saying that maybe she'll want a kid with her next husband.

[Claudia]

Yeah, okay. So I read, like, a transcription or, like, someone paraphrasing it, and I was like, yikes. I listened to it, and it actually wasn't that bad. I feel like she's not easily offended. And it was like, a very honest conversation. Like, I. I actually really liked her take being, like, the thing that excites me most about having babies, being able to name it. Like, I feel like that's a good indicator that maybe I'm not like. Like, I shouldn't have kids. And, like, I. I thought the whole conversation, like, sounded worse than it was. And yes, like, at a glance, like three men pestering a woman. Why she doesn't want to have kids. Sure. But, like, I don't know. I thought it was a funny thing. I did not think it was weird, and I didn't think she was offended either.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And isn't the whole concept of smartless. I've quite literally never heard an episode that one of them chooses a guest and surprises the other. So, like, Jason should. It's like, well, Jason should have done his research. Isn't that the whole thing?

[Jackie]

Yeah, right.

[Claudia]

Do they still do that?

[Jackie]

I think so. That's what they did in the documentary, and that's as far as my smart list knowledge goes. But also, like, this is just conversation, you know, and it's. And it's meant to be, like, deep, and those are big questions to ask. And if she certainly. Because she wasn't offended, I don't think anybody should be offended.

[Claudia]

And if she was, I do think they would have probably cut it out. Although there is a part where I feel like they edited it. You can hear Like, a little cut.

[Jackie]

Oh, interesting. But I don't know. I just. You can't, like, walk on eggshells, like, and it's a fair. Like, if you're talking about how you grew up. Oh, and the other kids, like, those are normal. If you're too scared to ask a question, like, seriously, don't have a podcast.

[Claudia]

I completely agree. And I think the context of what they were talking about before was also left out when this thing went viral because it is important. She was talking about being an only child.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So, like, I feel like a good question to ask an only child is, like, if you wish you want for your kids, or do you want, like, that experience and you want to, like, people ask us that, coming from a big family all the time.

[Claudia]

Like, I was talking about that with.

[Jackie]

Still making conversations with Josh Peck.

[Claudia]

He was an only child, and now he has this huge family, like, we talked about on the podcast. So I don't think it's a weird question. I don't think she was offended by it at all. I think, like, keyboard warriors are. And, like, don't ever put me in a position where I have to defend Smartless again. Okay.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And Charlie xcx.

[Claudia]

Because there are, like, things that canceled Smart List should be canceled for and this ain't it.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, being on top of the charts, above us all the time. Like, that's a cancelable.

[Jackie]

Disgusting. They're keeping women down.

[Claudia]

Silencing women.

[Jackie]

They're silencing women. And I'm defending Charli xcx, too. You see how I did that?

[Claudia]

I see how you did that.

[Jackie]

So don't say that I didn't.

[Claudia]

Nobody said that. Nobody would ever say that.

[Jackie]

It's, like, such a silly story, and people are really reaching.

[Claudia]

I agree. Although I am excited. Like, I don't know what. I don't know that these three know what it's like to, like, have the Internet at their arse.

[Jackie]

But I don't really think this is gonna reach a level that will even reach them in any meaningful way. Like, it's not serious.

[Claudia]

No.

[Jackie]

Even though just Jared wrote it up.

[Claudia]

But I do think that, like, men podcasters have this a lot less than female podcasters. Like, the accountability police is just. It's definitely a women's issue, so nobody really cares. Like, when a man says something on his podcast.

[Jackie]

But I also feel like. And I've not listened to an episode, so this is just me taking a shot in the dark. I feel like Smart List doesn't really go there. Like, I don't feel like they're having, like, interesting, controversial conversations.

[Claudia]

Yeah, no, it's like armchair expert is always going there.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Armchair experts. Expert goes there.

[Claudia]

He gets a lot of.

[Jackie]

They're the elk of podcasters.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I don't know what Smartless is doing over there, but, like, I just really like it. Yeah, yeah, no, they do. And you said something, right? Not every podcast has to be. Sorry, say it again. Controversial. Like I'm saying.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Hottest taste.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah. Or like, so thought provoking. Sometimes people just want to commute home and, like, get a little chuckle.

[Jackie]

A toast. But the thing about we go there, we do it all.

[Claudia]

We are so dynamic.

[Jackie]

We do the chuckle. Oh, no.

[Claudia]

We're going at a glance. Oh, no.

[Jackie]

Everyone zoom out.

[Claudia]

But we do go there. Like, we're actually extremely substantial when we want to be. I feel like I go through eras where, like, I'm so serious about stuff and then some eras where I'm like.

[Jackie]

You guys, it's not that serious.

[Claudia]

We're just living. Yeah.

[Jackie]

That's why, like, the toast is without peer. I would say we are Peerless because we do a little bit of all of it. They're smartless, we're Peerless. A spin off show Peerless.

[Claudia]

If we ever got fired by Smartless, it would be Smart List presents Peerless.

[Jackie]

The Eternity for maternity collection.

[Claudia]

Obsessed.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our fourth story?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's some really beautiful news. Eddie Murphy's son Eric and Martin Lawrence's daughter Jasmine are expecting their first baby together less than a year after tying the knot. So in case you didn't know, Eddie Murphy's son and Martin Lawrence's daughter are married.

[Claudia]

I had no idea.

[Jackie]

Now they're having like.

[Claudia]

That should have been in his documentary because I like fun fact about me is that I know a lot of stuff about Eddie Murphy ever since I watched his documentary and made it my whole personality. And I feel like that's when he was doing like that 20 minute bit at the end about his dumbass puppets. I feel like that would have been a good time to let us know this.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I feel like I forgot this, but maybe at one point I knew it.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Because it didn't seem, like, totally random. And now they're having a baby.

[Claudia]

That's really nice.

[Jackie]

A lot of pressure for the baby.

[Claudia]

To be gonna be so funny.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but he's, like, so serious. Yeah, but it's really cute.

[Claudia]

It is really cute. I can only imagine what, like, the bris or whatever baby shower is gonna be like.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Funny, funny, funny, funny. Yeah, I love Eddie Murphy.

[Jackie]

I know because I watch this documentary.

[Claudia]

I don't know if I mentioned that.

[Jackie]

You guys and you liked it. I never watched it yet.

[Claudia]

What did I watch last night? Watch American Idol.

[Jackie]

Oh, I, I, we almost watched American Idol, but then there was Shark Tank. And you know, Zach loves Shark Tank.

[Claudia]

Well, I was watching Jeopardy. In case anyone's wondering, I be Ben. And then it was on after. I was like, sure, why not? And it's the auditions, which is my favorite part. After the auditions, I don't really feel like I need to watch. I feel the same way about the Voice. It's just such a good show.

[Jackie]

Like, how is Carrie?

[Claudia]

I feel like they need a shake up.

[Jackie]

Wait. I think this is her first season.

[Claudia]

It's not her first season. It's like her second or third. And I wasn't just referring to her. Like, in general. It feels a little stale. I think it's because, you know, Lionel and Luke Bryan have been there for many years, and then it's like a new pop star. It was Katy Perry, and so it's just like, kind of formulaic at this point. And I am, like, a little bit over it as somebody who tuned in once.

[Jackie]

They should bring back Simon, Paula, Randy.

[Claudia]

They should bring back Simon.

[Jackie]

What's old is new again.

[Claudia]

I don't feel like, as a country, we've ever been in a better place than we were when those three were running that table like. Like a factory. Yeah. They each knew their roles. Paula was like the fun pop star. Randy was like just sort of the very affable, relatable one. And then Simon was the one who, like, could really speak the truth.

[Jackie]

The truth teller.

[Claudia]

Hey, baby, you got to remember I'm forever you girl so I've actually never heard a Paula Abdul song, have you? Like, I know that she is this prolific pop star whose music has quite literally never once touched me in any meaningful way.

[Jackie]

Was that Paula Abdul?

[Claudia]

So if you were to say to me before, like two weeks ago, name a Paula Abdul song. I couldn't. Then I watched people we meet on vacation, and there's like a whole scene and it's become like, if you talk about the movie on tick tock, like, you have to use that song. I'm forever your girl. It's Paula Abdul.

[Jackie]

It's crazy that she got that job.

[Claudia]

I think if you knew Paula Abdul and her work, you wouldn't think that it was crazy.

[Jackie]

Really?

[Claudia]

Yeah. She was a very meaningful.

[Jackie]

She was.

[Claudia]

Do you see the trailer for the Michael Jackson documentary? So they're doing the Bohemian Rhapsody, Elton John treatment to Michael Jackson. I'm wondering if they'll talk about the molestation.

[Jackie]

I'm wondering if they will touch on it.

[Claudia]

The molestation was not in the trailer.

[Jackie]

No, it wasn't, but that's okay.

[Claudia]

A lot of, like, family drama and it's, I think, considered, like, people are really excited about it because, well, who could play Michael, the greatest, you know, singer, dancer of our time? Well, one of his descendants, actually, Jafar, will be playing Michael. I don't know if I'm gonna watch it because, like, one thing about me, I actually do think he molested those kids. That's just, like, a crazy thing about me.

[Jackie]

So too, that documentary was very compelling.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God, that HBO Max documentary was insane. I just believe it. And even if, like, I didn't watch a documentary, like, the whole thing of him, like, you know, having the ranch where kids would come, like, it's just weird. So just, I'm, like, not a fan of, like, the erasure of the molestation personally. And I feel like there have been like, the MJ hologram and the Broadway show. They're always doing things about his life where they're just very conveniently leaving out the whole, you know. No.

[Jackie]

When I think. I think what people say and they sort of try to make sense of it, like, by saying that he was, like, stunted as a child and like, yes, as a child star and probably like, he never psychologically, like, never. And so are you going to show us that in the document or is it all going to be like, You.

[Claudia]

Know, are you singing? Oh, JacksonVive?

[Jackie]

Yeah, that is the best. What else do I mean?

[Claudia]

Yeah, I thought you were saying, like, a Michael Jackson song.

[Jackie]

Oh, no, I was going to sing Jackson 5 song because the documentary seemed very Jackson 5 heavy.

[Claudia]

I wonder if the documentary. And by documentary, of course, I mean biology musical is. The biopic will cover the influence 13 going on 30 had on Michael Jackson's career.

[Jackie]

I don't know that he did. He lived to see that.

[Claudia]

I actually think he did. Thank God that he lived to see that. Honestly, I'm glad I live to see that.

[Jackie]

So I feel like the biopic will be very surface.

[Claudia]

I just want to quickly go back. If I were to ever do a Rolling Stone interview and they would say, what are the five greatest songs ever written? I really have to think about it. But I do think that Jackson 5 song is up there. It's like the best song. And that's why I like Wood by I don't even know what song you're singing when you say that. Oh, I like the Cimorelli version. Before E, except after. See? Not two plus two blanks. I'm gonna teach you how to get a name. You're supposed to be my back to background. I'm gonna teach you, teach you, teach you all about love, dear, sit yourself down and take a seat all you gotta do is repeat like that is Charlie Puth should have said that. And we're learning.

[Jackie]

I'll tell you, baby.

[Claudia]

Oh, you gotta do it. How to sing it out. Come on, come on, come on. Let me show you what it's all about. Read it. I literally know all the words that song. Because of Cimorelli.

[Jackie]

That's.

[Claudia]

Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Jackie]

You know, it's a good kid song too.

[Claudia]

Of course. Like, when Ruby starts going to school, you know, I'm gonna be popping that.

[Jackie]

Thing a lot of good. Like. Like Jackson 5. Like Rock and Robin.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah. They kind of, like, made music for kids. Yeah, I guess because they were kids, so. Yeah. Curious at the little station, of course.

[Jackie]

I feel like they won't even go there. And is it really a biopic?

[Claudia]

No.

[Jackie]

And do you want to see that in your movie musical?

[Claudia]

So, like, that's why I think I'll skip the movie.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But Miles Teller's in it.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. I wish. Shocked when Miles Teller showed up in the documentary in a wig. Like, I was shook. Anybody else?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Except then I remembered the funny story that when it was, like, rumored who they were casting for the movie, there was a rumor that Miles Teller was playing Michael Jackson. And he had to, like, come out.

[Jackie]

And be like, you guys.

[Claudia]

I'm not.

[Jackie]

Oh, that's so cuz.

[Claudia]

There was, like, backlash. Rightfully so. Like, why would Miles Teller. Even though he really can dance.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he's a great actor.

[Claudia]

It's a feeling now. You know the sound. Don't stop till you get enough Yuva. You know what song I really like, actually, but I prefer the Glee version.

[Jackie]

Of course.

[Claudia]

I'm starting with the man in the mirror. Oh, yeah. And he really should have started with the man in the mirror, that Michael like.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Change starts from within. Okay.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

No mess. Oh, no. That's George Michael, that song. I like that other one.

[Jackie]

Oh, you know what I love?

[Claudia]

Sometimes the clothes do not make the man.

[Jackie]

I love that song. Me too. Michael. Jack, Bring it back.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Black and white.

[Claudia]

Sing it. It don't matter if you're black or white. Do, do, do, do, do I Met my baby on a set. Maybe we should watch a movie.

[Jackie]

I was about to say, I think I have to see the movie.

[Claudia]

No, like. Cause I can hold space for two things like that. Music is really good.

[Jackie]

It's really good.

[Claudia]

He's really good.

[Jackie]

It's excellent. I think we have to see the movie. It's been a while since we've gotten like a swirly biopic, you know, not something like that. Like, not fun. Like Bohemian Rhapsody and Elton, like, they were like, about the music.

[Claudia]

Very showman. Like, yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay, let's do it.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Claudia]

And a miracle has happened tonight. You know what? We could also watch the Glee episode of Michael Jackson. They did like a themed episode.

[Jackie]

And is he fat bottom girls?

[Claudia]

No, that's Queen.

[Jackie]

I like that song.

[Claudia]

I love that song. And the way like I only know it from Glee. Glee doesn't get enough respect for like introducing my generation. I know so much older music exclusively of Glee. I know so much Queen.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I think it's going to be like a Queenie Michael Jackson ride home today.

[Claudia]

Yeah, for sure. I Glee version. I only know like Bohemian Rhapsody because of Glee. It was when Quinn gave birth. Oh. In the first season. And so it's like. And she's pushing and then they go back. There are quarterfinals or whatever. Such a good episode bit.

[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Thank you, Turt.

[Claudia]

My pleasure.

[Jackie]

Our fifth and final story. Whitney Leavitt debuted on Broadway in Chicago. Her first performance as Roxy has been shared online. And Whitney's doing her thing.

[Claudia]

Yes, I saw it. I think a lot of people were very curious. We've never heard her sing. So obviously when you go to Broadway, singing is kind of a big part of that. She's been posting a lot of videos of her practicing, but like none of her singing. So it was just sort of this.

[Jackie]

Like everyone, like waiting.

[Claudia]

Yes. And she would like post videos being like, okay, everybody wants me to sing. And then like there would be like A, you know, a car crash or whatever. Like, she couldn't. She was, like, kind of playing with people. And she could sing. She definitely can sing. She looked like she crushed it. I saw a couple of clips. Obviously, I haven't seen the show. All the girlies were in attendance. And I was reading a lot of comments, people being like, well, you know, now she's on Broadway. She's a big star. Of course, all the haters. Michaela, because everybody's really tough on her. The most recent season that we saw, and then she had kind of like a banner year. Stars, you know, became this huge cultural thing. Now she's on Broadway, and so, of course, like, it looks like all the girls come running back. I was, you know, proud to say I did not pile on Whitney this season. I felt like the girls really did her wrong. It was sort of. Sort of painful to watch at times, like, how poorly she was being treated. And so I don't. This isn't, like, a Whitney comeback for me, because I've sort of been here, and, like, now I think a lot of people are like, well, like, Dancing with the Stars, like, we were there before, you know.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. We've supported her the whole time, and we thought that she should win. But all of it led her to this. Even not winning. I feel like maybe if she won, maybe it would have been different. Who knows? If she would have gotten this role, she wouldn't she be on the tour. Something like, this was what was meant for her. It's crazy how much, like, she's changed in the last year and how much, like, my perception of her change. Like, when I watch her on the show, it feels like I'm watching a completely different person now. Also, Mark Ballas, I feel that way about.

[Claudia]

Well, Traitors has not been good for Mark Ballas, I believe.

[Jackie]

Not been good.

[Claudia]

Jackie sent me a funny text. She was like, what did you say? Like, about how he's.

[Jackie]

I didn't know anything about him. Like, when I watched Dancing with the Stars and when I saw him on Dancing the Stars, like, I. I was a little intimidated by him. Like, I just felt like he's, like, very cool and very serious, and he's.

[Claudia]

One of, like, the most, you know, decorated champions, and he's, like, one of the most popular ones, and he's so a part of Dancing with the Stars lore and history in a positive way.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I felt like maybe, I don't know, all the drama that surrounded them, like, I don't know. I just, like, I felt he was like, very intimidating.

[Claudia]

Oh, it was, like, ethereal.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And then, like, traders, like I said.

[Claudia]

Has not been good.

[Jackie]

Right. I was like, oh, he's not that. No. And he's just like one of Colton's cronies.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It's giving follower on traitors, which is never a good thing.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But back to Whitney. Very excited for her. Yeah. I feel like the next season of Secret lives that comes out will be like when the girls are doing Dancing with the Stars.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It'll be a little delayed, and we'll.

[Jackie]

See how supportive they are of her in that moment. If they were there for her then. Then it's okay that they're here for her now.

[Claudia]

Well, I didn't see Jen. I saw Michaela. I saw Jesse. I think I saw Macy.

[Jackie]

Taylor.

[Claudia]

Taylor. I did not see me.

[Jackie]

What? Demi.

[Claudia]

No, I didn't see her. But, like, I don't think that means anything.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I think they are friends.

[Claudia]

Yeah. No, I didn't see Jen.

[Jackie]

So we'll see how they treat her on this previous season. But yeah, now she's, like, larger than, like, I wonder, like, not to, like, you know, put pressure on her. But, like, what do you do after this? Do you go back to Utah?

[Claudia]

Yes. I really hope she does not leave the show. I think it's like, I think that happens a lot. Ray Jean Paul, like, don't leave the thing because it's still a huge show.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Do not leave. I don't think it would be good for her, like, if. If I. I would actually think that's a huge mistake.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

If Taylor, Frankie Paul is not leaving, nobody should be.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Even though. Do you feel like Whitney, who do you think is most famous from the show? I feel like it's Whitney now.

[Jackie]

Today it's Whitney. When Taylor's season of the Bachelorette comes out, it will be Taylor.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's always just sort of in this undisputed thing. Like, Taylor is the leader of mom talk because it. But also because she is the most famous. I think she's had the most followers.

[Jackie]

Yeah. How many followers does Whitney have now?

[Claudia]

Are we talking exclusively on TikTok?

[Jackie]

I want to do TikTok. I'll go to Instagram. You go to TikTok.

[Claudia]

Okay. Taylor, Frankie Paul has 6 million followers. That's a ton. Whitney Leavitt has, oh, 3.4. It's like, not even a question.

[Jackie]

Taylor has 2.2 on Instagram and Whitney Leavitt has 1.5. So she's creeping up. And I do feel like their Instagram followers How many does Taylor Evan in? 2.2.

[Claudia]

Oh, she's creeping up.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, I feel like Taylor got a lot of followers on TikTok from Mom.

[Claudia]

Talk, but now they're all sort of, like, settled.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia]

Instagram is. I feel, a more realistic.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's like, more like people from the show.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So, yeah, definitely neck and neck. But I do still think Taylor's leader of Mom Talk, no matter how big Whitney is, because Whitney's, like, doing things.

[Claudia]

Outside of Mom Talk, outside of Utah.

[Jackie]

Always been doing everything, like, in service of Mom Talk. Mom Talk.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Very exciting for Miss Leavit. Oh, girl.

[Claudia]

Let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment. Every Tuesday, Jackie and I host a segment called Dear Toasters, where our toasters can write in if they're in need, whether they're going through issues at work, at home, in the relationship, with a friend, in a wedding party. Email us dear toasters gmail.com or head over to our website, thetostpodcast.com. scroll down. There's a little box that says, Dear Toasters, both methods of submission are equal opportunity, and they are both completely anonymous, so you never have to worry about that. Are you ready? Okay. Dear Toasters, after my husband's mom died three years ago, we had to take in her cat or she was gonna be put in a shelter. I love animals, but this cat is the worst. She attacks my other cat. She pees in places out of spite. She scratches, like, ruins my doors and walls. I have a black lab, a dog who's terrified of her. I am seven months pregnant with my first child. Is it wrong of me to want to get rid of my husband's dead mother's cat?

[Jackie]

Cat?

[Claudia]

No. And I would have said this even before you said you were pregnant, but now that you're pregnant, it's sort of like what you say goes. And I'm sorry to your husband, but his mom's cat has to go, no.

[Jackie]

And, like, you can't have, like, a wild feral animal around when you have a baby. I've also heard that, like, cats can be unsafe during pregnancy because they carry some germs that are, like, not safe for the.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but she has another cat that she loves, so she shouldn't bring that up. Okay.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

Because then it's like, all right, well, we'll have to get rid of both cats.

[Jackie]

Cats. Yeah. Yeah.

[Claudia]

I would definitely seek out a family member on your husband's side. Like, worst case, like, you don't want to give him in a shelter. So, like, I would really work to find. And of course, this is your husband's problem, not yours. Finding a safe home for him. Rehoming and during pregnancy and early childhood years. Happens a lot. You're not a bad person because of it. Jennifer Lawrence did it. And this isn't even your cat. So definitely, definitely get rid of that cat.

[Jackie]

Yeah. You can't have a wild animal around with a baby.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And I also feel like its spirit feels cursed, you know? And you want to. You're in your nesting phase.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

You want to sage the home. Positive, clean energy. And it doesn't sound like this cat is providing that.

[Jackie]

No.

[Claudia]

And so you, when it comes to bringing it up, like, just say it. Like, you don't even have to cushion it. Like, you're not even being remotely unreasonable.

[Jackie]

No. And, like, you're not. This. This isn't like a democracy, you know? This is happening.

[Claudia]

It's a preg. Ocracy.

[Jackie]

This is happening.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Right.

[Jackie]

Get on board.

[Claudia]

Get on board.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Start making arrangements.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

All right, next up. That was easy. Hey, swirlies. I went to the dentist recently, and I was seen by a new dentist. I couldn't help but notice this man was extremely attractive, and he seemed to be around my age. I am typically shy. I do not like going out of my way to express things like this or make the first move. So how do I go about seeing if he's interested in me? Should I follow him on Instagram? Is it weird if I have my roommate DM him for me in case it goes poorly? Because I still want to go to the dentist? He's also private on Instagram, so I don't know if he has a girlfriend. Sincerely, a shy toaster.

[Jackie]

I feel like you've written into the wrong show. Like, I don't.

[Claudia]

We are two married ladies.

[Jackie]

No, no. Like, I don't know how to help you, because I'm always about putting yourself out there. You know, there is a time and a place. But, like, I don't know why this feels like a hard one.

[Claudia]

Well, it is a little radical just in terms of, like, you know nothing about him. Like we do. Before you make any sort of contact, you absolutely have to find out if he's married, because don't waste your time then. And I think there are ways to just Google it. Google his name and regist. See if there's, like, a registry come up. Like, there's a million ways. Find a mutual friend. Check Facebook. Like, there are ways. You have to do that first. But I do love your Approach to, like, you can't just sit around and wait for life to happen for you, especially in this day and age. I feel like, you know, I'm always quoting Scott Galloway. He talks about how men as a gender are deteriorating. They're less and less viable, and. And they're certainly not asking women out. It's just not happening. I don't know how people are meeting people, but it's not in the way that they once were. And I think a lot of women are kind of forced to first to take matters into their own hands. And I do think that's what's happening to you here. And so I want to support you. So I'm trying to give sort of tactical advice. You have to find out.

[Jackie]

You have to find out. I think also he. Even if he thought you were cute, like, I don't think he could make the first move, because that's, like, inappropriate violation, I think Dming with the friend.

[Claudia]

No, no. Agreed.

[Jackie]

No, I think you kind of have to put your cards on the table and be willing to change dentists.

[Claudia]

Of course, it's not that hard. Like, dentists are, like. It's not like he's a neurosurgeon. Like, dentists are. There's one on every block. You could find another dentist. Not to say that dentists aren't smart. That's not what I was saying. But I do think you need to be more specific when looking for a neurosurgeon versus a dentist.

[Jackie]

I'm thinking of what I'm gonna say next, and I think you've, like, stepped.

[Claudia]

In some shit, because that's not what I was saying. Like, obviously, you go to dental school. Like, you're really smart.

[Jackie]

All I hear you, like, but it.

[Claudia]

Doesn'T sound like you're crazy.

[Jackie]

Dental problems. Back to the conversation. And you're have to empower.

[Claudia]

I'm fighting for my life over here, Care. I just didn't want to insult dentists. Like, I think it doesn't sound like you have any complicated dental history. So if you need to find a new dentist, it's, like, not a big deal. Okay.

[Jackie]

Okay. It's not a big deal.

[Claudia]

So, like, you need to be willing to lose your dentist.

[Jackie]

Yes, you do.

[Claudia]

And instead, it's a new dentist.

[Charlie Puth (clip)]

What?

[Claudia]

You've known him for five minutes, and you're married to him as a dentist. Like, it's fine.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it is fine. And so I think you do have to just, like, sort of disassociate. And you said you're shy. Like, put on the outfit, like, a confident person outerwear. And, like, go up to me, like.

[Claudia]

At the next appointment.

[Jackie]

At the next appointment. Be like, by the way, at your final appointment, are you seeing anyone? And see what he says. Be like, I would love to grab a drink sometime. And, like, even though that's, like, not me and it's not you either, because.

[Claudia]

That was really good, though.

[Jackie]

Not right. I just, like, I'm in a costume of confidence.

[Claudia]

Wait for the appointment to be borderline over. Like, his wrapping up. But is there, like, a hygienist in the room? They're always ruining the vibes. Like, not to say that.

[Jackie]

Dental hygienist, you know, but you're not allowing him to.

[Claudia]

Of course the girl get in line.

[Jackie]

Everyone wants hot dentists, but will everyone do it?

[Claudia]

Not everyone has what it takes to.

[Jackie]

Get the hot dentist. You have to be prepared. You have to have your next dentist on dial. And you have.

[Claudia]

Instead of asking your friend to DM him, ask your friend who her dentist is.

[Jackie]

Yeah. You have to just pretend you're someone else. Yeah. And say, like, hey, we want to grab your teeth.

[Claudia]

You need to be kind of crazy. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And the crazy bird gets the word.

[Claudia]

We're at an inflection point, and you.

[Jackie]

Have nothing to lose except a good dentist.

[Claudia]

In culture, we're at an inflection point. Like, in hetero. Normative, hetero relationships where, like, men are not asking women out. Like, men are not leaving the house. Like, they are these sort of, like, crazy creatures.

[Jackie]

Galloway on the podcast.

[Claudia]

I actually would love to.

[Jackie]

Great.

[Claudia]

I didn't know he taught at nyu. Kind of how we did, like, that episode with Chelsea Handler. And, like, we wrote, like, people. The ones we chose were, like, very specific to Chelsea. We need to write in about, like, men who are suffering, like, and how the wives can help them.

[Jackie]

And maybe we can get. It's sponsored by State Farm, and it can be called Deer Farmer with Scott Galloway.

[Claudia]

Okay. Or we just have our loyal sponsors and not, you know, not yearn for.

[Jackie]

The ones who left us pine for State Farm.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I don't.

[Jackie]

I don't. I mean, State Farm is great. Come back anytime. I pine for Deer Farmer.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I know you do, but I just feel like there are. What about Farmers Insurance?

[Jackie]

Farmers Insurance.

[Claudia]

Are they not owned by State Farm? Don't you feel like that's a weird coincidence?

[Jackie]

Like, yeah, they kind of, like, appropriating the farm.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it's like a cheetah ranch.

[Jackie]

No, but, like, Farmers Insurance is insurance for farmers.

[Claudia]

No, it's not.

[Jackie]

It's not.

[Claudia]

It's just insurance.

[Jackie]

Are you sure?

[Claudia]

I'm not. And like, that would make sense, but I'm almost 100.

[Jackie]

And then it's like, what does State Farm know about Farm? Do you even know Ball, as the.

[Claudia]

Children say, is farmer's insurance only insurance for farmers? Question mark.

[Jackie]

Not only, but, like, mostly no.

[Claudia]

Despite the name, it's a large insurance company that sells policies to all kinds of customers. Auto insurance, home insurance, renters, life business insurance, umbrella, liability, motor motorcycle, rv.

[Jackie]

Okay, so they can do Dear Farmer. Yeah.

[Claudia]

How do we get here? Oh, so, yeah, you have to be prepared to find another dentist. And you have to, the next time the appointment, like, find the right time, wait for the appointment to be over. Because if he says, oh, and you also have to find out if he's married or has a girlfriend, because then seriously.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I just feel like he does. Do you know what I mean? I feel like dentists are usually spoken for.

[Claudia]

Well, also, like, dentists, like, would be wearing rings.

[Jackie]

Right. I don't know why they're going to bring their ring into your mouth.

[Claudia]

And a ring is really dirty. I actually hope my dentist is not wearing a ring. No.

[Jackie]

When he wear a glove.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie]

Love. Yeah.

[Claudia]

No love. No love.

[Jackie]

I think. Yeah. You know what? Someone's gonna get this dentist. And why not you?

[Claudia]

No, I. I love your brazen approach, especially. You sound like somebody who doesn't know she became unrais.

[Jackie]

And when she started talking about Instagram, dms.

[Claudia]

Oh, that's.

[Jackie]

By the way, that's when I was like, you're not cut out for this.

[Claudia]

The things you wrote in. That is definitely the worst idea. Like, do not do that.

[Jackie]

Don't bring any part of Instagram into this. Agreed.

[Claudia]

Unless it's, like, stalking.

[Jackie]

Yeah, unless you make offense. I don't even think your friend should follow him.

[Claudia]

Go to his website. Like, when they say, like, about us, he'll have a picture. If he has a wife and kids, the picture will be there.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And if your friend, like, follows him to find out, he might think the friend's cute.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah. Only your ugly friends.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Okay, are you ready for third and final? Hey, Jackson Turd. How you doing? Do I have to tell my boyfriend that I'm on Ozempic? I've always been an athlete. I'm into working out. I just need a little help to get rid of some stubborn weight. I'm hesitant to tell him because he and his family are very holistic when it comes to health and wellness. The context is that we both live in the same city, but we do live separately, so I'm not worried about him seeing it in my fridge. We've been dating for almost two years, and the only person I've told is my best friend. Am I okay to keep this huge secret and not tell him that I'm on a medication, or is it okay to live my girly, squirrely, skinny life in private?

[Jackie]

Oh, I'm like, I've got angel and devil on my shoulder.

[Claudia]

Me too.

[Jackie]

Because my initial reaction is like.

[Claudia]

Like, live your life.

[Jackie]

Don't tell me your life. He's just the boyfriend. Do what you want.

[Claudia]

I hate to be so extreme, like, break up with your boyfriend. He's gay, but if you can't tell your boyfriend, like, this thing, that means, like. Like, that you want to do for your own reasons. It doesn't affect him at all. Like, I don't know. It kind of sounds like he's, like, not a supportive boyfriend.

[Jackie]

Well, no, but he might be, like, holistic, and, like, you just have a different. You guys just disagree about, and that's.

[Claudia]

Fine, and you should still support it.

[Jackie]

But that doesn't mean that you should break up. But you also might not even want to go there and, like, have the. The talk about it. And you're entitled to, like, your privacy or medical privacy. You don't have to, like, tell someone everything. However, on the other side, I'm like, I want to know what medications my partner is on. Yeah, I feel like that's a fair thing to know.

[Claudia]

Oh, that's an interesting thing to say. I think. I agree. I've never thought about it before because, like, Ben and I, like, you know, we pee with the door open. We're very. Like, there's nothing.

[Jackie]

And. And that's your. Like, you would never not. He's your husband. I would want to know medications that my partner's on. I feel like that's a fair thing to know. But I also feel like, you know, your body, your choice. I'm. I'm fine with her doing it, but I don't. I feel like then not sharing it. And also. What, you're gonna hide the thing in your fridge every time? And then what if he finds it? And it's not that you're taking those.

[Claudia]

And then you act like you're doing something.

[Jackie]

You hid it from him.

[Claudia]

When you're. When you. When you hi. And lie, it's because you're doing something bad and you're not.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I actually think it might be a good test for your relationship. Like, this is something, you know, he fundamentally disagrees with. Can he be supportive of something you want to do for yourself?

[Jackie]

And can you just like handle disagreement?

[Claudia]

I do think you should tell him for those reasons.

[Jackie]

I think so too. You don't want to have secrets between you.

[Claudia]

No, it's never good.

[Jackie]

And if it is a deal breaker for him for whatever reason, then the deal is broken. Like.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And if he can't be supportive of something that he just doesn't agree with, but that's like, it's not like you're doing meth. Right. Like, it's just, it's a medicine. A doctor would prescribe it. So if he can't be supportive of something that he might, you know, have a different value on and like, that's not a good sign.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Not everything you're gonna want to do, he's gonna agree with, but he should support it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I think, I think if he is like a good guy and you guys are meant to be, like, I think you might be underestimating his capacity for change and open mindedness and that.

[Claudia]

Even change just like being understanding.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

You don't have to agree with everything your partner doesn't says, but you do have to respect it and support it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But if he is so set in his ways to the point that like he could not support or be with you if you're on Ozempic, then that's something you should know.

[Claudia]

Agreed. It's kind of like a good test for your relationship two years in, like.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like that's a big disagreement to have. It's not, I don't think, a deal breaker. But you're allowed to have different philosophies on it.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And I don't think you should keep secrets.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like that. Because then it's like you're doing something wrong and you're not.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And you don't want to feel like you're doing something wrong. You don't want to feel like you're hiding something from him. And on his end, like, I think he has a right to know medications that his partner's on.

[Claudia]

I agree.

[Jackie]

At two years.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two years.

[Jackie]

You don't have to like lead with it on the first date.

[Claudia]

No, of course not. Yeah. Well, that's our show. A great Tuesday. I've had a blast being with you, singing, you know, Michael Jackson's greatest hits.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And I've had a blast with you guys. The Toasters always showing up.

[Jackie]

We really showing out.

[Claudia]

We appreciate it. Cancel Smart Life list. Thanks. So much for listening to the toes. And Monday morning show Pencil Smart List Stream, Peerless, wherever you get your podcasts. I'll leave you with that. Have a great day, guys.

[Jackie]

Love you. Bye.