Stagecoach, Draft Day and Bill Belichick's Hole: Monday, April 28th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast Episode: Stagecoach, Draft Day and Bill Belichick's Hole: Monday, April 28th, 2025

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Release Date: April 28, 2025

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1. Stagecoach 2025 Recap

Timestamp: [21:16] - [27:13]

Jackie and Claudia dive into their experiences and observations from Stagecoach 2025 in Palm Springs, California. They discuss headliners like Luke Combs, Zach Bryan, and Jelly Roll, highlighting the evolving nature of the festival.

• Jackie: "I initially felt the lineup was underwhelming, especially with headliners like Zach Bryan and Jelly Roll not meeting my expectations. However, watching Margot’s footage changed my perspective. Jelly Roll bringing out multiple artists like Alex Warren and Shaboozy showcased his versatility." ([21:31])

• Claudia: "It's impressive how Jelly Roll managed to elevate his performance by collaborating with diverse artists, making his set one of the standout moments of the festival." ([23:53])

The hosts express mixed feelings about the influx of guest performances, noting that while some artists enhanced the experience, others diluted the traditional country vibe they cherish.

• Jackie: "Seeing Mumford and Sons and the Goo Goo Dolls at Stagecoach was unexpected. It feels like the festival has become a 'festival within a festival,' diluting the core country essence." ([22:37])

They also touch on other performers like Lana Del Rey and discuss the genre-blending acts that are reshaping the festival's atmosphere.

• Claudia: "Lana Del Rey’s presence introduced a new dynamic, attracting attendees who might not typically be into country music, which both enriches and complicates the festival’s identity." ([28:33])

2. Drake Hemshaw's Divorce Scandal

Timestamp: [30:35] - [34:55]

The conversation shifts to the highly publicized divorce filing of Drake Hemshaw from PK Kemsley following a scandalous makeout incident with Amazing Race star Shauna Wall.

• Claudia: "Drake's public image took a hit when he was seen making out with Shauna Wall outside Cipriani in Beverly Hills. This wasn’t a discreet encounter, leading Dorit to officially file for divorce." ([30:45])

• Jackie: "It's perplexing how Shauna, who wasn't heavily followed by paparazzi, managed to capture such a candid moment. The timing and location seem eerily convenient, raising questions about the authenticity of the events." ([31:21])

They discuss the implications of the divorce on both personal and financial fronts, emphasizing the potential strain on Drake Hemshaw's previously stable relationship.

• Claudia: "Dorit's decision to file for divorce seems like a culmination of unresolved tensions, especially after noticing Drake's blatant disregard for their separation agreements." ([33:07])

Jackie and Claudia express sympathy for Dorit while scrutinizing Drake’s actions, highlighting the complexities of celebrity relationships and the invasive nature of public scrutiny.

3. Summer House Cast Drama

Timestamp: [35:30] - [42:05]

The hosts provide updates on reality TV, focusing on the "Summer House" cast, particularly Emerald’s absence from a recent cast photo and the behavior of host Andy Cohen.

• Jackie: "Emerald’s absence from the Summer House reunion photo sparked curiosity. It appears he left hours before the gathering, leading fans to question his commitment and the dynamics within the cast." ([36:00])

• Claudia: "Andy Cohen's strict professionalism often contrasts with the spontaneous interactions of the cast. Emerald not being present might indicate underlying tensions or personal decisions." ([37:42])

They delve into Emerald’s role and interactions on the show, discussing his impact and the potential reasons for his early departure.

• Jackie: "Emerald's unique contributions to the group dynamic were noticeable, and his sudden absence leaves a void that fans are eager to understand." ([39:16])

Jackie and Claudia also touch upon Andy Cohen's efforts to maintain professionalism, balancing personal relationships with his responsibilities as a host.

4. Shador Sanders and NFL Draft Day Controversy

Timestamp: [45:17] - [54:37]

The discussion moves to sports news, focusing on Shador Sanders, the son of NFL legend Deion Sanders, who was recently drafted by the Cleveland Browns in the fifth round, defying earlier high expectations.

• Claudia: "Shador Sanders, a promising quarterback from Colorado and son of Deion Sanders, was unexpectedly drafted in the fifth round by the Browns. This late selection has left many questioning the motives behind the teams' decisions." ([45:28])

• Jackie: "Shador's unprofessional behavior during interviews, such as wearing headphones and having an entourage, might have influenced his draft position. It’s reminiscent of past players like Josh Allen who faced early career pressures." ([46:31])

The hosts analyze the potential future for Shador within the NFL, considering the existing quarterback lineup of the Browns and the possible impact of his father's influence.

• Claudia: "Despite the late pick, Shador has the opportunity to prove himself as a valuable asset to the Browns, especially with the team's need for a reliable quarterback after Joe Flacco." ([47:52])

They also discuss the broader trend of athlete children entering professional sports and the challenges they face, such as heightened scrutiny and expectations.

5. Bill Belichick's Viral Interview Incident

Timestamp: [54:48] - [60:22]

In the final segment, Jackie and Claudia cover the viral moment involving New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick and his 24-year-old girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, who awkwardly interrupted his CBS interview to deflect relationship inquiries.

• Claudia: "Bill Belichick’s interview took an unexpected turn when his girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, interrupted him to address questions about their relationship, raising eyebrows due to their significant age gap." ([55:32])

• Jackie: "Jordan’s unapologetic demeanor during the interview added to the public's scrutiny, making the situation even more bizarre and bringing unwanted attention to their personal lives." ([56:11])

The hosts express concerns over the power dynamics and potential elder abuse implications of their relationship, criticizing Jordan's aggressive handling of the interview.

• Claudia: "The way Jordan shut down the relationship questions was not only unprofessional but also highlighted the troubling imbalance in their relationship." ([56:22])

They draw parallels to other high-profile relationships with significant age gaps, emphasizing the importance of consent and power equality.

• Jackie: "This situation mirrors cases like Britney Murphy’s, where unequal power dynamics led to detrimental outcomes, raising serious concerns about Belichick’s well-being." ([58:22])

The discussion concludes with Jackie and Claudia reiterating the need for mindfulness in such relationships and expressing hope for Belichick’s support system.

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Toast, Jackie and Claudia Oshry navigate through a diverse array of topics ranging from the intricacies of music festivals and reality TV dramas to the high-stakes world of sports drafts and controversial celebrity relationships. Their insightful commentary, peppered with candid quotes, offers listeners a comprehensive overview of the latest happenings across various entertainment and sports arenas.

Notable Quotes:

• Jackie: "It's hard to imagine how terrible things would soon become." ([00:44])
• Claudia: "It's extremely graphic. They show people's insides, a full birth—it can be really yucky." ([10:46])

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Note: The timestamps correspond to the moments within the transcript where the respective discussions occur, providing context and attribution for the quoted statements.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[B]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[A]

It's your favorite show.

[B]

The best five things you need to know.

[A]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

[B]

I sound amazing.

[A]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Monday. Like, that's me. So negative. But the last time we were all together, we were, like, so excited celebrating Vierness and, like, it's Lunas and it's Lunas, and I don't know how to sort of grapple with the realness that is Luness.

[B]

We were all so happy that day.

[A]

It's hard to imagine how terrible things would soon become.

[B]

I actually don't feel that way. Not to be, like, toxically positive.

[A]

No. I'm. By the way, we're on the same.

[B]

Page today that it's like a bright, chipper, happy day. I feel like it's a big week. We have a lot going on. I actually have, like, a lot of things happening today that are buoying me and, like, just distracting me from the fact and the case of the Mondays.

[A]

Yeah, I'm gonna be toxically positive too. I saw a healer last night. Like, really? I don't even know what the best word to call this wonderful woman who came into my life, into my apartment, and gave me the rub down of a lifetime. Now, it was. It wasn't a massage. She is a doula. She is an herbalist. She's a masseuse. So it was like a breach session.

[B]

Okay. It wasn't ready.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

It was like, when does the Reiki come in?

[A]

I think if I've gotten to the point of Reiki, it's time to give up, honestly.

[B]

Okay. Even though Lauren Bostick said Reiki flipped her baby.

[A]

Yes. And I told Dr. Fox that Lauren Bostick said that Ricky flipped her baby. And he said that's amazing. Her baby was probably going to flip anyway. But, like, not to doubt Lauren Boston.

[B]

Hearing Reiki has 100 chance of flipping Lauren Boston's baby. Why wouldn't you give it a shot? And at least then you could, like, come here and, like, tell us what's right.

[A]

Yeah. At this point, I'm doing these, like, Eastern things simply so I have something to talk about on the toast because I don't get out of bed these days. Like, it's. It's really hard to, like, come up with fodder when you don't do anything.

[B]

And I imagine it's good for your relationship with Ben that you're taking an Interest in his passions.

[A]

Yeah. Was definitely jealous when she came in. Like, I had never met her before. She had this amazing, like, nurturing energy. Like, I immediately liked her. And so the session included lots of. We burned mock Sebastian. We did stretches and lots of massages. Like, it was one of the best massages I'd ever gotten. And then afterwards, she did some of, like, my physical therapy stretches with me. It's a pretty long session, and let me tell you, I'm feeling amazing. I don't know. I. I don't know if it worked. Like, it probably didn't, like, whatever.

[B]

But feeling amazing is feeling amazing. Like, that seems like a good enough end goal as any.

[A]

I love Yiska. That was her name. She, like, seriously changed my life. She doesn't come into the city match. I was so lucky to get an appointment. I don't think I'll be able to see her again.

[B]

Do you think Ben is gonna bring in his own healer and, like, you guys are gonna have competing healers?

[A]

No, I think he's gonna steal my healer. Like, he was. I could tell he was really vibing with her.

[B]

He would go, like, out of borough for a healer.

[A]

Yeah. So, like, she left me in the bedroom to, like, get undressed, and she told me, like, how to lay. And I heard her and Ben in the kitchen, like, chitchatting. I could tell he was.

[B]

He got her card. He was moving in on my healer 1000%.

[A]

But I feel great. So that's my toxically positive. Don't expect this type of energy from me all week. You know, it comes and it goes. But I have to acknowledge that today I'm feeling toxically positive.

[B]

Do you think you're going to bring any of your newfound eastern practices into your life post pregnancy?

[A]

It's a good question because I have found them to be enormously helpful. No, I don't have the issues that I have pregnant. Well, not pregnant. I definitely have issues. I think I would definitely be open to acupuncture. Although I find the actual sessions of acupuncture like, mind numbing. I know. The whole point is, like, to unplug and relax. Like, and every session I'm like, how long can I go? I've never made it a whole session without my phone. Sorry. And I have AirPods in when I'm doing really well. I get to, like, 40, 45 minutes. And then I'm like, oh, my God, we still have 20 minutes left. I have to scroll. Tick tock. Like, it's just insufferable. So. So I I find it annoying, but I like the results.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I feel like you would like acupuncture because you're, like, good with being alone with oneself.

[B]

It's true. I would cherish the time to be alone with my thoughts.

[A]

And just, like, being at peace, I. I find it extremely unpeaceful.

[B]

No, I do have desires to try acupuncture. That is on my list.

[A]

I know you're coming to New York. Maybe you should try my gal.

[B]

Yeah, maybe your healer, too.

[A]

She's really hard to get in touch with. I don't think you could get in touch with.

[B]

Ben could probably get me an appointment.

[A]

1,000%. So I feel like. God, I feel, like, good. How was your weekend?

[B]

My weekend was great. Lots of fun was had. I'm trying to, like, remember what I did, but we just, you know, we went to the bookstore. My favorite.

[A]

Huge.

[B]

The bookstore is a great place to go as a parent and do you.

[A]

Feel right, but also as a, like, famous. Not only author, but podcaster. Regarding books, when you walk into a Barnes and Noble, I imagine it's how I feel like when I walk into, like, a kosher restaurant, you're like, oh, these are my people.

[B]

Okay. But, like, they're not my people. And it's hard. Like, the literary world. Like, actually, I don't feel like I'm the elk of the literary world.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

Like, no one who works there is a toaster.

[A]

Or a redhead.

[B]

Or a redhead. You know, my dream is to have, like, a redhead table of books where.

[A]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say your dream is to have a redheads bookstore.

[B]

No, like, I like to make money.

[A]

No, I know, but, like, the level. That's like Colleen Hoover. It's like you get so rich. Like, you have a bookstore as a passion project. Like, who cares if it loses money? She has a really cute bookstore that's, like, you know, idyllic with, like, the big chairs and coffee shop.

[B]

I would love to even have enough time to, like, go to the bookstore. More like, let's start with that as a goal, let alone starting my own. No, to have, like, a table at the bookstore. Like, sometimes they have like a hello sunshine table or an overs book club table where, like, all the books that they've chosen are on the table. And like, all of the books that we read for the redheads, there were so many out on the floor. And I would love to have a red. You guys know that's my dream already. To, like, walk into a bookstore and there's like, a redheads Table.

[A]

Jackie, it sounds like you could DIY it yourself. Like, just head over to the local bookstore, start collecting, print a little piece of paper. They have tables everywhere, so just cover the table sign and put your redheads books.

[B]

Or I could like work with like a maybe Barnes and Noble. They would kick me out. You know, like they.

[A]

Yeah, they're a little big for their britches, especially since Borders went out.

[B]

Yeah, but like, maybe a smaller bookshop would love to work with me in that capacity.

[A]

I would. You. You would love that.

[B]

You would love it.

[A]

So it was always.

[B]

It's always nice to go to the bookstore. I saw so many books that I wanted to read, but I have to be reading this, like, Lucy Score porno for the redheads.

[A]

I heard it's terrible. What? I heard it's terrible.

[B]

I haven't seen.

[A]

I heard it's terrible. I don't want to say.

[B]

No, tell me, just tell me.

[A]

I saw in the redheads Facebook group.

[B]

Oh, they do love to say that about everything.

[A]

No, sorry, I saw it in our Patreon Facebook group. People being like, any redhead's reading this book, it sucks.

[B]

That's so, so funny and painful because it's 500 pages. So like, Lucy Score, you better undo it.

[A]

And Lucy Score loves to write long smut books, and that's just not the vibe. No, no, we're not reading smut because we're looking for like an anthology.

[B]

Yeah, but I feel like she likes, like, I feel like you then get to say you read a 500 page book and like, it gets up your page count for your Goodreads end of the year. Like, she is helping out.

[A]

Yeah, but if I'm reading a 500 page book like that, I can brag about it ain't gonna be smut, it's gonna be demon Copperhead, which I don't know if I've mentioned this year I did read.

[B]

What's the demon Copperhead of this year, though?

[A]

That's a good question. I had a, like, totally similar weekend in the sense that I, like, really did nothing. And I would have nothing to share, except I started a show and I started a show that me and Ben are so obsessed with them. We've been in a real rut. Like, we started Nip Tuck. We didn't like it. We started. I mean, I liked it. Ben didn't. We started Friday Night Lights. Ben was, like, kind of not into it. We couldn' a show. And then we started the Pit. Have you heard about the Pit?

[B]

No, but did you guys think about starting Royal Pains.

[A]

Okay. So what's funny is that right after our conversation on Friday is when me and Ben decided to start watching the Pit. The Pit is a medical show.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so I was posting about it on Tick Tock. I'm sure you didn't see. And everybody was like, not you watching a medical show that's not Royal Pains.

[B]

But I was thinking about the Pit, but I didn't know it was a.

[A]

Medical show and everyone's talking about it. So part of me was like, watching it because I wanted to be relevant and cool. Like, yeah, I'm pregnant, but I'm still relevant. Like, I still know what's going on. And then I just really started to enjoy it. So it's about. It's like, it covers like a 12 hour shift in an emergency room, and it's just 12 episodes and every episode is an hour, you know, so you're like experiencing the whole shift with them. And it's a teaching hospital, so like.

[B]

So it's just one shift.

[A]

Yes. And so obviously that doesn't sound enticing, but, like, all the patients end up, like, being connected, you know?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's real, it's really good. And it's a teaching hospital. And it kind of got me thinking. So a teaching hospital, like, I don't know if you know what that is, like, where residents go, like, they have to become a order to become a doctor. Like, you have to be a student. Right. And it got me thinking. I've never. I don't like, go to the hospital a lot, but, like, I know it's.

[B]

Like a part of if you got a resident.

[A]

Yeah. And so I, I think I've shared the story once that like, in high school, I did like, have an experience with a resident.

[B]

I think you have.

[A]

I had like an issue, like, I don't really want to get into my medical history, but, like, it was pretty in a personal area.

[B]

It was, it was in a personal area, personal gets.

[A]

And I had to have like a little procedure and I had to go to like, the special doctor at a special hospital. And they were like, we have our residents. Do you mind if they observe? And like, I actually really did bind, but I was in, like, no position to bargain. I really needed. I was just like, yeah, sure, whatever. And there was just a lot of like, young strapping men watching this personal procedure. So I'm not entirely comfortable with it. But in this particular show, like, every. There's one doctor who supervises the entire shift and everyone else is a resident. Now there, I guess when you become a resident, I think in, like, your year two, you officially become a doctor. So, like, they call you Dr. Whitaker or whatever. Actually, Whitaker's not a doctor. He's a first year. But I don't know. And I'm surprised, like, more people, because they treat, like, a million people every episode. More people aren't like, you're not a doctor.

[B]

No. It's like this weird social contract that we've signed that, like, the residents can get in there even though they're not as qualified as the doctors.

[A]

Yeah. There is, like, a supervising doctor, but he's not supervising everything.

[B]

No. And he has a lot of trust in those residents.

[A]

Yes. I mean, that's kind of the core of the show, Dr. Robbie. Oh, and I did find out the thing that made me want to watch the show. It takes place in Pittsburgh. That's why it's called the Pit. And the. The doctor who's, like, the main character, the official doctor. Dr. Robbie. His name is actually Dr. Rabinovich. He's a Jew, and he's actually named for a doctor who passed away in the squirrel hill shooting, Dr. Jeremy Rabinovich. So I liked that. I saw, like, a meme. I think Ting shared it, and then I was like, you know what? I'll watch his show. Sure. And it's good. Oh, my God. I'm loving it. It's extremely graphic. Like, very medically, like, graphic. But. But they do too much.

[B]

I show people's insides.

[A]

They showed a full birth.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

The thing is, is that the baby looked so fake that I wasn't even freaked out by it. People were like, don't watch season seven. It was so fake. I'm like, I could watch this with my eyes completely open. I'm totally fine. But the show is really yucky. It's, like, not my favorite part.

[B]

Oh, okay. But you like it.

[A]

I like it, but I don't think you will like it because of the yuckiness.

[B]

Yeah. There's actually so many shows right now that everyone's talking about, like, of course, severance, you know, But I don't know if I'll get to that. Then there. I heard there's one with Jon Hamm on Apple TV about, like, love, neighbors and friends. Love thy neighbors, Love thy neighbor.

[A]

Olivia Munn.

[B]

Jon Hamm is in love thy neighbor.

[A]

Yes. Ralph Nader.

[B]

Brooks and Olivia. Sisters.

[A]

Olivia. Oh, that's what it's called. She related to Ralph Nader?

[B]

Is she related to Jon Hamm?

[A]

Jon Hamm show. Olivia Munn is in. That's why she was doing promo, talking about the.

[B]

But the premise sounds really good. It's like about rich people. Yeah.

[A]

Me and Ben watched the trailer in our request for a good show. I wasn't. I wasn't taken by it.

[B]

There's also now a show about the Ukrainian orphan who might have been the Ukrainian grown woman dwarf.

[A]

Yes. It's called. It's on Hulu. It's very enticing. Every time.

[B]

Good American.

[A]

Good American family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Honestly, I would watch that. I don't know how I could sell it to Ben. I just have to be like, listen, you have to go in blind. Just.

[B]

It will be better if you don't know anything. And I'm sure it is better because the twist is.

[A]

Yeah, but I saw on Tik Tok, like they, they. I don't spoil it, but I saw like a little bit of a spoiler.

[B]

I mean, it's spoiled because we were reported on this story every step of the way.

[A]

Yeah, no, no. But what they did in the show.

[B]

Let'S just tell us.

[A]

Like they make it seem like. Like they tell it from two different perspectives. So it's like, obviously this little girl is a grown woman. She's so scary and whatever. And then they tell it from the girl's perspective and it's like she's the victim and that's how they end it. So it's like you don't know whose perspective to believe, but that is how.

[B]

We are in real life.

[A]

Oh, please. She's a grown woman.

[B]

I don't know. And how is. Since when is it so hard to find out someone's age? Get a tooth.

[A]

No, I have no idea.

[B]

Get a tooth.

[A]

And another show everyone's talking about, and by everyone, I mean me, is the new and final season of the hit Netflix show you was released over the weekend. And I do think people care, but the reason why I care. I told you this. Right? Okay.

[B]

Cuz I was like, didn't you tell us on Friday you don't watch you. And we know. I don't want you already contended with that.

[A]

No. And normally I wouldn't talk about you twice in the span of four days, but like, they're talking about me on you. Okay. Thank you to the toaster who DM'd me. There's a episode in the new season where there's like an Instagram live. So they show the Instagram live on the screen and you know an Instagram live. Like you see the person, you see how many viewers there are, you see comments coming in and literally, there's a comment from girl with no job.

[B]

It's a bunch of red flags, which is so you.

[A]

It's so me. Like, is this play about us? So who. Who works for you? Like, show yourself you're a toaster. Like, show yourself.

[B]

I actually. I wouldn't even be surprised if it's not a toaster, per se. Like, girl with no job is just such a big part of just, like, social media, you know?

[A]

And you think so you're one of, like.

[B]

Oh, my God, like the og.

[A]

The greats. You're gonna say the great.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

You were going to say the greats. Go back.

[B]

I was, but that's not. Doesn't make my point. Of course you're great. Like, you're so fantastic. We love you.

[A]

I know. You mean. I know.

[B]

You mean, like, Instagram staple accounts, like.

[A]

Yeah, so true.

[B]

Think that it's possible the person's, like, not even a toaster. They just. When they think of Instagram and, like, the accounts in the mix, they think of girl with no job.

[A]

Right. They just want to be historically accurate.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That was really crazy. Where's my check?

[B]

I don't think it works that way.

[A]

Why not? I have a trademark, but, like.

[B]

Okay, 5 cents. Here's 5 cents.

[A]

Great. It'll go towards my baby registry.

[B]

The mark shown wetter. Holocaust education.

[A]

It will. Oh, wait, what do we place a bet on $1,000 Rogers. Oh, okay. Well, we'll see.

[B]

We'll see. We actually have sports news today. The sports world is quaking. I don't know if you.

[A]

Lots going on. I have noticed. Did you also see Travis Kelce playing golf with Justin Timberlake?

[B]

No. Did you see Travis Kelsey unfollowed Ryan Reynolds?

[A]

What?

[B]

That's what TMZ reported. Like, from tmz. I'm gonna believe that. You know, it wasn't that he never followed him or that Ryan Reynolds.

[A]

That's, like, really crazy.

[B]

No, that's what TMZ said. And I'm just gonna take it at face value because there's always, like, you know, it was unsearchable or Ryan deactivated his account, but, like, say TMZ got it right.

[A]

You know, I'm just triple checking. Ryan Reynolds.

[B]

No, but he's Travis and Justin playing golf.

[A]

Okay, so he doesn't follow him, but Jerry's out on whether he followed him before. Although I'll trust tmz. Wait, that's, like, really crazy. And, yes, there was, I think, some sort of golf tournament. So it was Jason Trav and J.T. i don't know who the fourth was and they made a lot of tick tocks and I saw a lot of videos of them like people taking footage. It was very exciting. Although not obsessed with that friendship I can't lie.

[B]

I know but I could just see Travis like being such a big Justin Timberlake fan 1000%.

[A]

I could also see Taylor being a big Justin Timberlake fan.

[B]

Yeah because she's of that age. She was totally an insync girl thousand.

[A]

Percent and she die hard he like the things that I don't like about his personality like I feel like she would like yeah you know in the.

[B]

Venn diagram your dislikes and her likes.

[A]

We are dilly dallying and there is like a little bit of like you know, business to attend to so should we sure.

[B]

Yeah. There's a lot to discuss today so without further ado da da do Here are the fast five stories that you.

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[B]

Our first story. Stagecoach recap. Stage Coach 2025 took the stage this weekend in Palm Springs, California. Lots of headliners, lots of special guests, lots of fun was had.

[A]

So, yeah, I was like feeling really good about not going on Friday. Like I was talking to Margot and I was like, obviously I want to see Luke because he's the headliner, but all the others, I'm like, jelly Roll, like, like, I'll be okay.

[B]

I know you hate Jelly Roll.

[A]

I actually don't hate Jelly Roll. I actually at all. Well, have you listened to his new song with Shaboozy?

[B]

Amen.

[A]

It's so good. I don't hate Jelly Roll. I don't think he's the elk of a headliner for Stagecoach, but I think.

[B]

He brought the elk.

[A]

Okay, so I had a complete change of heart.

[B]

Like I was Adele brought it.

[A]

I was definitely a doubter, but all in all, I felt like the head. The headliners and Just the overall lineup was a little underwhelming. So I'm like, all right, this is a year that I can't go. And I'm kind of like, slay. Like, works for me.

[B]

Headliner the first night. Not Zach Bryan, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah, Zach Brian.

[B]

He was the big. He was the last one.

[A]

Yep. So Zach Ryan, Jelly Roll, and Luke Home Combs. I don't listen to Zach Brian. I like a lot of Jelly Roll songs. I don't know a lot of them. And I thought he definitely, like, was not the elk of a headliner. And then Luke I love and would die for, but I did see him in July. I see the time, like, I'll survive, you know?

[B]

So you thought.

[A]

So I thought. And then I started watching Margot Ash, our sister's stories. She is such a good concert goer. She gets such good footage. And I felt sick with each day that passed. Like, first of all, I did not realize that Mumford and Sons were performing at Stagecoach. I did not realize the Goo Goo Dolls were performing at Stagecoach. Like, kill me. And I just didn't realize. Like, I don't remember when Stagecoach, the headliners became, like, a festival within a festival. It used to be, like, every time I went, like, maybe, like, I remember Shania Twain brought out Nick Jonas. We thought it was so weird, but guests weren't really, like, a requirement. And now I guess, like, you have to bring out a million people.

[B]

Well, not only that, but it's like, so many of these people have collab songs with people who are already performing, already there. So they're there. So of course Jelly Roll's gonna bring out Shibuzzi. Their song came out two days ago. But also he's gonna bring out Bailey Zimmerman, who's a man, because they have a new song coming out.

[A]

So when I saw Jelly Roll bringing out Zach Bryan didn't really bring out a ton of guests. He brought out one girl to sing the Casey Musgraves part of that song. But when Jelly Roll brought out so many people, he brought out Alex Warren. He brought out Shaboozy. He brought out Lana Del Rey, Megan Machine Gun Kelly.

[B]

Yep. And like, every collab, everyone's bringing out Brandon Lake these days.

[A]

Yes. Christian singer. So I was like, you know, that makes sense. And you know what? I felt like I was wrong about him not being a headliner, because I think he did. Like, I thought his show looked amazing. All these guys. I'm like, that's. I'm like, you know what? Good for you. Like, you have to acknowledge, like, you know, he. I feel like he needed that support just in terms of him having, like, a smaller discography. But then Luke brought out a million people. Garth Brooks, Bailey Zimmerman, Charlotte.

[B]

Was Ben okay?

[A]

My husband was not okay.

[B]

The way that Luke sang the anthem, like, he was born to sing it.

[A]

So good. Ben was like, they sang the anthem.

[B]

He was born to sing that song.

[A]

I just don't remember when, like, guests.

[B]

He didn't miss a note.

[A]

Claudia, when did guests become, like, a prerequisite? I'm not mad at all. I like it.

[B]

I don't know. And I also feel like for other people, like, you know, especially at Coachella, it's like, I'm not bringing a guest out. I could do it on my own.

[A]

This is my moment.

[B]

I don't need anyone. And like, stage shows just feel so much more like a community. Like, and it's just like, we're having fun. Let's sing our songs. So many of. Especially Jelly Roll. So many of his most popular songs are collabs. So of course. Bring them out. Bring them out.

[A]

Yeah. No, I agree. I have no problem with it. And it's so less serious that country people aren't, like, egotistical like I'm sure some of them are. But, like, there's. It's not. It's not as like, hey, look at.

[B]

Me and only me.

[A]

They just want to put on the best possible show for the fans who showed up. And sometimes that means calling up Bailey Zimmerman.

[B]

And I do think, like, Bailey's already there playing, of course, a new song coming out soon. Sounds amazing. Like, duh. Same.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Shaboozi also, did she busy perform at Coachella?

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

I believe that he did, which is, like, pretty cool. Not a lot of people could perform at both.

[A]

No. Would you say that now it's like, official that Shibuzi is not a one hit wonder when you have a song that big.

[B]

I was literally listening to Shibuzi Selects album came out on Friday. Bunch of collabs, partialish. And I was like thinking N bar song came on and I was like, I wonder why nobody's asked me yet if I think Shibu season one. Like, I've been like, waiting for, like, scared of this question. Too soon to tell.

[A]

So I actually think I. I think you're not a fair person to ask because you sit down and listen to Shibubies deluxe album. I think I'm a fair person. Like, I know I actually really like Shibuzi, but I don't actively seek out his music. And now I know three songs of his good news, which is so good. Amen. And then the bar song. So I would say he's not a one hit wonder.

[B]

Treat yourself to the whole album.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He's so good. I'm so.

[A]

It looked really fun. I wanted to be a hater because I'm jealous and disgusting like that. But it looked amazing. And I'm happy for everyone who went. I hope you had the most amazing time.

[B]

And I was the awesome shooters and listen to music and so each other's awesomeness.

[A]

And I will see you next year. Okay.

[B]

You will?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even though Luke wouldn't be headlining.

[A]

That's okay. Okay, like, not to be obnoxious, but, like, I'm kind of a friend of Luke. I've seen Luke. Like, I actually couldn't even count how.

[B]

Many times your private Hampton's birthday concert.

[A]

Yeah. For like $10 million. Maybe I get a friends and family discount, but it would still be pricey.

[B]

Yeah, it would be.

[A]

But having said that, like, I've seen Luke perform probably like 10 or 15 times. So if I went to Stagecoach, I'd be okay.

[B]

Yeah. Also some other news from Stagecoach. Lana Del Rey did a set and she admitted to kissing Morgan Wallen in.

[A]

Her new song we talked about.

[B]

This was news to me.

[A]

Okay, wait, no, it wasn't news to me. I think I shared on the toast. What I forget. I got, like, such a juicy piece of gossip a little while ago, and I said someone. I forget who it was, but it was someone really reputable told me that Lana Del Rey and Morgan Wallen were dating. And I said it on the show and, like, it never came to life.

[B]

Well, this is what she said in her new song, 57.5. She said, and it's part of the lyrics, I kissed Morgan Wallen. I guess kissing me kind of went to his head. If you want my secret to success, I suggest you don't go ATVing with him when you're out west.

[A]

Okay, I won't.

[B]

Like. Okay.

[A]

If I ever find myself in a position, I won't do it.

[B]

Oh, I should. Except for Crocodile Dundee. Like, she seems right now, she's married now she's married.

[A]

And is Lana Del Rey country.

[B]

So she clearly wants to be now. And I do think she's genre bending. Like, if she puts on a pair of cowboy boots, all of a sudden she's country.

[A]

But I do feel like her presence there changed a little bit. Like the elk of who who went. Like, I saw a lot of people who went for her who, like, aren't into country. I feel like it uncountrified the festival a little bit.

[B]

The festival has become a little uncountrified, which I hate. Yeah. Like, Lizzo came out during, like, Backstreet Boys. Diplo. Backstreet Boys, like, are always trying to get into country, and at least, like, they're consistent about that and they.

[A]

At least they respect the genre.

[B]

Paris Hilton, dj. I think with Diplo, there was, like, they always have, like, a.

[A]

That. That doesn't.

[B]

That doesn't matter. Country can be remixed.

[A]

No. And Diplo, like, when he started his foray into country, like, it was really well researched.

[B]

So much for the genre he did.

[A]

I have no problem with, like, the.

[B]

DJ element, but Lizzo came out and she's saying, I think, you know, DNA test.

[A]

DNA test, yes.

[B]

So, like, that's not super country.

[A]

No, not at all.

[B]

But I think she'll really try anything at this point.

[A]

I know. And it's kind of not working. She performed on snl. I know. And I. And again, I don't seek out Lizzo music, but I find it. I find it a test into if a song or artist is successful, if I'm familiar with, like, the. The hook, you know, from Tik Tok or from walking through the grocery store. And I don't even know what the song is called. I don't know what it sounds like. I know you're saying, yes, you performed on snl.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Like, I didn't see a lick of it. It's not working.

[B]

Well, she's doing a lot to sort of make us move on, but I still is bananas, you know?

[A]

Me too. If you're not watching on YouTube, you guys, you are really missing out.

[B]

It's just a porch, you know, like, some people, it's a scandal, but it's not, like, something that just gets, like, seared into your brain.

[A]

I know it's. And it's just human nature. Like, there's no rhyme or reason for why someone's scandal sticks and someone's doesn't. Right.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I already, like, forgetting, like, what did JVN do? Like, I kind of forget as hell.

[A]

Okay. But so was.

[B]

But, like, JVN didn't have a banana involved.

[A]

Right? It's. It's kind of all in the details.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story, which is only number two. That was your stage recap. Hope you guys had fun. Sachi.

[A]

Oh, I feel sick.

[B]

Next story. Drake Hemsley filed for a divorce from PK Kemsley after his steamy makeout with an An Amazing Race Star. So he was seen making out with.

[A]

A woman who, like, TMZ was somehow able to identify, like, someone who was on a TV show once five years ago.

[B]

I know, but, like, at least it's better than, like, you know, someone who is an accountant. Like, she's a little. If one person at the TMZ office watches Amazing Race. There you go.

[A]

Yeah, well, I meant more like I'm suspicious. Like the way everybody had a referendum on how Mauricio's Mykonos paparazzi picture made it to the Internet. I feel that way about P.K. kemsley, who does not get followed by paparazzi. And if he did, it wouldn't be at this particular random time. It would have been like, right after the separation, who they happen to know this woman. Like, her name, like, it's all too convenient. It's a dark alley. Like, I don't know.

[B]

It was outside of Cipriani in Beverly Hills. So that's also not where you go to do things in the private.

[A]

Yeah, but it's not like the sushi park, you know, like, it's not like a classic spot. Craig's, right?

[B]

Yeah. Anyways, photos of him emerged kissing a blonde woman from Amazing Race. She's also a model. Her name is Shauna Wall. She does also happen to look like Dorit. And now, yes, Dorit has filed for divorce from her husband of 10 years. Did they make it to the 10 years? How does that work with that thing in California?

[A]

Well, it does kind of align with what Dorit was saying at the reunion, which is that, like, she would like to make it work. She doesn't think he will. And this sort of aligns with that narrative. Right. Like, he's moved on. It's over.

[B]

Well, I guess they had the sort of separation that was like, we're not seeing other people. Because now he's clearly crossed the line. Like, when Mauricio was spotted with the girl in Mykonos, Kyle didn't file.

[A]

No. By the way, is this rules? Kyle had a full blown relationship in the public eye for a year. Like, it's different.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But, like, this was obviously a shock to Dorit, and I guess it does make sense that they weren't seeing other people. And I do think when you're having a separation and you're seeing other people, it's just like a.

[A]

A road to divorce. I think that's like Jackson, Britney. Right. They had, like, very specific rules. They could see other people. I don't know what the more popular way to do things Is. But I think the concept of getting separated. Well, I guess everybody separates for different reasons. Right. If you're separating because it's. You legally have to before you get divorced, like, sure, go see other people. Like, we've already made our decision. But a lot of people like Tom and Lynette in Desperate Housewives. Spoiler alert. When they get separated, it was to.

[B]

Tension to get back together.

[A]

Right. It was like to reset to, like. And he goes and has this full blown relationship. Like, it's so fucked up. You're right. Like, you really need to be clear on the rules of separation.

[B]

Yeah. So I think they were clear, which is that they're not seeing other people. And now he's spotted not only just over. It's not like he was really caught, like in the club, in the. Someone with a phone. Like, he's making out with this woman in front of a restaurant. It's a dancy, popular restaurant. It's not a first date. And I think that was it for Dorit. So she has officially filed for divorce. She's requesting spousal support and that PK pay her legal fees, which is. But that's also standard.

[A]

Yeah. They worry me because obviously, is there.

[B]

Enough money to sustain two households to split?

[A]

Yeah. And I think that even for a really, you know, financially healthy people, divorce can be so damaging financially. And, you know, there has been a lot said about these two's finances for quite some time now. I'm not gonna, you know, make any grand statements, but we all know, you know, and I do worry about the legal fees, the splitting of the assets, the. What do you hire a. Correct. Like, I have a pit about this for all of them. Like, she wants her legal fees paid. Good luck. Get in line. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. It's worrying, but I just want a happy dirty.

[A]

Yeah, of course. And I do love.

[B]

You know.

[A]

I know, but the concept that we'd see like a single dirty, her and Erica hitting the town. Not upset.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Although that's ways away.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So we're. We're with you, Duri.

[A]

Yeah. And I have questions, and I hope that the. The referendum they had this season on Mauricio's legit. The logistics behind his paparazzi picture. I would like the same attention be paid to this. Because PK is not Mauricio.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No. Nobody cares. Nobody follows around pk.

[B]

This is actually less confusing than like a remote airport.

[A]

No.

[B]

Across the world.

[A]

I. Because the way I perceive the Mauricio pictures was that they were like, taken by a random person. Mauricio is like really famous, you know?

[B]

Yeah. And sold to tmz.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Whereas I don't think maybe Shauna Wall.

[B]

Called the paparazzi because she was like, choose me. Pick. Love me, love me.

[A]

Right. She made the decision for him. Yeah, I like that. That's definitely a possibility.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story? A little more reality TV news?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because Emerald from Summer House is addressing his absence in the Summer House cast photo following the reunion as the guys got together and hung out with Andy Cohen. So after which is union. One of the boys posted a photo of West Andy, Kyle Cook, Carl and Jesse Solomon having some beers after the taping. And it led some fans to wonder why Emeril wasn't there. I never saw this photo, but if I had, I wouldn't have even realized Emerald wasn't there. Why would Admiral be there? He was.

[A]

Okay. When I saw the photo, I had two major thoughts. One, I did think, where is Emeril? Like, it's all the guys.

[B]

You really did.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Like, even though he's new and irrelevant, like, did they leave him out? Like, that's just rude.

[B]

Like I thought way he's sitting for the whole reunion, do you think?

[A]

Well, so I would have thought he's a full time cast member.

[B]

Like, not.

[A]

I know I didn't deliver. And so the fault, the wind up is that he didn't sit for the whole reunion. He left hours before. So it makes sense that they were all just like grabbing beers. He wasn't going to be there because he left hours before. But my kind of bigger thought when I had this, when I saw this photo, was a guest. Where's Emerald? But also like, this is crazy. Andy has made it like a real sticking point to always maintain a level of professionalism and like no friendships. That's why, like the Carol Radzwell thing was really complicated because he was friends with Carol before she became a castmate. But he has to treat all the women equally. And he's always made it a thing. He talks about it a lot in his book, like this sort of professional line that he tries to tow mostly with the Housewives. And it's always been like, you know, a little gray area with the guys. He definitely like loves like the young Southern charm guys. And, and this is when I saw this picture, I was like, this would never happen at any other, like with the Housewives reunion. Oh, let's all the Roni go out. Never.

[B]

Nor would it happen with like, I don't know, the females from Southern, from Summer House.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Does he even know their names?

[A]

No. No. I thought it was so crazy. Like, it is very odd, especially because I've read Andy's books and I know that, like, that's something he took or takes really seriously. And it's a way that it works. You know, you can't be friends with everyone. Especially that Lawsuit with Liam McCarthy. McSweeney.

[B]

Yeah. Emerald said he left early a few hours before they wrapped, so that's part of it. And then I don't know who responded to him. Some, like.

[A]

I think it was like, a fan.

[B]

Yeah. Said part of it. So not all of it, or he said. I mean, I don't know. I'm gonna chalk it up to that and move on. It's all good. He said, I'm so glad I didn't. And I got some publicity and a platform from my English school. That was always my big goal in all of this.

[A]

Yeah. So it's giving, not coming back.

[B]

It's not that we thought it was he. Apparently he founded an English school in Bangladesh. And so he came on the show to, like, get some press for it, which I think that he's achieved. But, like, I don't know if coming on the show and sleeping with everyone in the Hamptons is what's the way to do it. English school.

[A]

Agreed. Did they talk about the English school just in this last recent episode? Yeah.

[B]

I didn't hear it. Did you this?

[A]

Yeah, very briefly.

[B]

Well, maybe he's also, like, doing press for Summer House and gets to talk about his English school.

[A]

Yeah, he got. But he got it on the show. He got it on the show.

[B]

The English school on the show agreed.

[A]

That the method to promote the English speaking school of being like a brothel is not one I would have taken. But I guess we are talking about him. I never thought he was gonna come back after this.

[B]

Talk about everyone on this show.

[A]

I never. But you know what? He. He's like one of the classic examples of, like, this particular show's real inability to. To cast men. And that's why Jesse and Wes were such great additions. You know, it really makes you realize. Think about all. I can't even tell you their names. Like, over the last. Freaky guy.

[B]

They're always like, they wake up early, they go for a run. All they care about is their protein shakes and working out. And they contribute nothing to the group dynamic. That's like Emerald, but about sex.

[A]

Right. But there was that guy Alex. Like, they. They have these freaky guys. So you know what he really puts into Perspective how fab Jesse and Wes have been as additions to the show because there was, like, six years in a row where they could not cast one decent guy. And then they did. They had Andrea. And then he, like, didn't even want to be on the show anymore because he was, like, too handsome and in love with that girl.

[B]

Yeah. He's married now, right? Yeah.

[A]

Well, Emerald, it was really nice getting to know you. I do want to say I did recently speak with someone who. Whom. Emil was their broker for their apartment. He's like, a rental broker in the city? Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's someone we both know.

[B]

Or does he have a lot of clients?

[A]

I'm sure he has a lot of clients, but I. I'm gonna bet that it was the same person. And she said it was a fabulous experience, very professional. Yeah. I don't know if it worked out with a particular apartment.

[B]

Know that he's a broker. We. I did not know that he has sex.

[A]

Right. And so she sent me the picture. She, like, snuck a photo. And I'm like, I didn't know he was a broker. So I'm like, where did you run into him? Whereas if they had done a little.

[B]

If they had shared a package on him, his life in the city, like, his apartment.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

Job, just sex.

[A]

One of the stranger things to have, like, happened on Summer House. It's so mysterious.

[B]

It's actually so funny.

[A]

But to be honest, like, when he got called out for being, like, a whore and, like, abusing the house and not connecting with everyone, and he said that he refuses to live, you know, in darkness and in fear he's going to live out loud because he was undocumented. Like, that was actually one of the best responses anyone could have given. Like, what are you going to say to that? It's like, no, you're right. Like, live your truth. You were undocumented, and now you're not. Like, it was. It was such a creative answer. I almost have to respect him and.

[B]

Give him another season in his confessional. I wish that he said it to someone's face because they, like, I would have loved.

[A]

Because I would have loved to see their reaction.

[B]

I would have loved to see how they responded.

[A]

Like, I could just.

[B]

Would anyone have been like, stop. Still, stop.

[A]

No, you would have said, you know what? It's like, one of those things. It's what? Me too. It's one of those things that you say. It's like a conversation ender. Like, what can you say to that? Like, nothing. Okay, so go. Yeah, it's so your wild oats.

[B]

The price of eggs.

[A]

You know, it's a conversation under, like, the price of eggs.

[B]

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Thank you, Turt. Today.

[A]

Yeah, welcome.

[B]

The latter half of the show is actually a bit of sports news.

[A]

Okay, let's, let's. First on our sports caps, our helmets.

[B]

Big draft news. The big story out of the draft over the last few days has been Shador Sanders, Deion Sanders, son. I've been like, paying attention from afar. And then it became very clear to me like, that it's a draft day situation starring Kevin Costner. And it has come full circle because he was now drafted in the fifth round by the Browns.

[A]

So when I was at to lunch yesterday, literally the table next to me was talking about this. Everyone's talking about it. Can you give like a little bit so. Because I know a little bit about it.

[B]

Shador Sanders, he's a college quarterback. He played at Colorado. He's the son of Deion Sanders, who's a. He's a Nepa hall of Famer, cornerback, which is. What is a cornerback? I'm not sure, but he's like a major NFL player. He's actually also, like, being the agent for his son. Very involved in this process for his son Shador. And Shador was, like, set to go really early. He has a strong arm, good quarterback, and he wasn't picked in the first round, and he wasn't picking the second round.

[A]

And he was like, a very highly anticipated player.

[B]

It was. And a lot of people are picking quarterbacks and where he thought he was gonna go, like, they didn't pick him. And then it started to, like, raise these questions, like, why is nobody picking him?

[A]

What's wrong with him?

[B]

Right. So I saw some people have, like, now spoken anonymously about his interviews with the teams that he was like, his behavior was just, like, very unprofessional. He was wearing headphones with playing music the whole time. He, like, brought an entourage. Just like. Like, he had some, like, bad interviews. And like, that's literally the premise of draft day. Like, the person is the number one player, but, like, their off field behavior kind of stinks for one reason or another. Also, I think because his dad was his agent. I read. I read a couple different theories as to why he wasn't chosen. Some people said he's actually not that good of a quarterback. Like, his arm, his aim.

[A]

I don't think it's that.

[B]

But someone said because he doesn't have a traditional agent who, like, might have told him, like, hey, do this to get pick. Like, yeah, you know, his dad's probably just, like, totally hyping him up. And I think, like, this process has been very humbling for him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But he finally got picked in the fifth round to the Browns, but they already drafted a quarterback in this draft. Then they have, like, other quarterbacks on the bench, and they have Joe Flacco, too.

[A]

So he's a benchwarmer unless he can prove himself.

[B]

Because I think after Joe, they're going to need their next great quarterback. It could be him.

[A]

Well, the thing is, this is different, but it reminds me a lot of Josh Allen, who was like, number one. Number one. Number one. And then he had a tweet with an old song lyric and a bad word in it, and he ended up getting chosen way later and got a, like, a lesser whatever. But it worked out quite swimmingly. Like, the cream rises.

[B]

So I also feel like sometimes getting picked, like, really early in the draft is a bad omen. Like Tom Brady, pressure round pick. He wasn't it's so much pressure.

[A]

No.

[B]

And it's like, it never. Why, like, how many people have won the Heisman? I've never heard their name.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. College. Well, O.J. simpson won the Heisman, but like, Johnny.

[B]

Manziel, they say that some people are saying that Shador is the next Johnny Manzo. Like, all this talent, too much off the field drama. Gonna squander it.

[A]

Yeah. But, you know, some lessons do need to be learned the hard way. So while, like, it sucks, he maybe didn't get, like, the pick that he wanted. Hopefully, if this is what actually happened. Right. That he was just kind of being like, diva ish. And, you know, you're supposed to be really humble. Like, when you're a rookie, it's an.

[B]

Interview one of like, you there, you. They're doing you a favor.

[A]

It's a good lesson to learn if you can receive it and sort of turn the beat around. I feel like Travis had a situation like this right. When he was playing college football. He almost got kicked off the team. Jason, really, to step up for him because he was being like, you know, when you're a college football player, you're like a big man on campus and the whole world is your school. Right. So you're the most popular guy. You can get whatever you want. And then you have to transition to the NFL where you're literally a nobody. Nobody cares that you were popular in college. Who was? They all were. You have to really humble yourself. And it's a much bigger stage. And I think some people struggle with that. And I think Travis had a little bit of, like, drama too.

[B]

Yeah, he had drama in college, you know, who had draft drama, who was, like, incredibly humble during his draft. And that was like one of his first Roman empires of his career.

[A]

Aaron Rodgers.

[B]

Aaron Rodgers. He was supposed to go way earlier than he did, but, like, now I don't know when he went. But he is a Super bowl winning quarterback and he didn't go in the first round.

[A]

It literally doesn't matter. I mean, brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant.

[B]

Sorry. It matters for your paycheck in a big way.

[A]

Yes, yes. But, you know, if you prove yourself, you become valuable. You get.

[B]

I mean, like, most people get their big contracts. Manta. That is like the tragedy of our time.

[A]

And I think the NFL could actually be doing more to make up for what happened to Manta Tayo for the money loss.

[B]

I think everyone should be doing more.

[A]

We did. We booked a cameo for Manta Teo.

[B]

We did. But like, we also weren't the ones responsible for like his.

[A]

We weren't a part of his cancellation.

[B]

He's fall from grace and like, I would have picked him in the first round thousand.

[A]

Even though I. I think that the players don't put a lot of pressure. Obviously it's a cool to be like the number one whatever. But look at Brock Purdy. The dead last Mr. Irrelevant is now. He went to the Super Bowl. He is a quarterback for a huge franchise. It doesn't mean anything, but obviously in the moment, like, you want to go first.

[B]

Yes. No. But it also, like, means a lot for your money. And when you've been like, waiting for this, you're not that. You know, the Sanders family doesn't have a lot of money.

[A]

Wants once for much.

[B]

But in general, like, every round, less and less. It's like just like less and less money when this is like your big chance.

[A]

So this is like a trend in sports with, like, fathers being really involved in their sons. Fathers who are also players. Like, happening with LeBron. Yeah. Also LaVar Ball. Like the ball family. It was like a crate. Ben tried to explain it to me once. Like, the dad. Like, the. Like, the son's really talented. Like, but you can only be so talented. Nobody wants to deal with, like, your family antics, you know, Even if your dad is LeBron.

[B]

Yeah, it's true. Like, get an agent pro or a con to have Dion on the sidelines. In a lot of ways, it's a pro. He has so much excited experience. He's like, can, you know, help out with coaching.

[A]

But they don't want that, Jackie. They have like a 300 coaching staff. Like, get your dad the out of here. I don't care who your dad is.

[B]

True. You would think it would be like, something.

[A]

No. If he was playing in a high school. Yeah. Great. Your dad was in the NFL. Come coach up with us. Like, this is the NFL. Like, they seriously have a thousand people on staff. They don't need your dad. It's true.

[B]

And then did you see the prank call? This was really bad. Those kids. Oh, my God. So a bunch of kids from Ole Miss and I don't know why they filmed themselves doing this. They made a prank call to Shador Sanders, and we have footage of both sides because I guess Shador's camp has been filming him through the whole.

[A]

Of course, having the conversation.

[B]

And the kids say, hey, this is the head coach at. What was the school? The team? I don't know.

[A]

Some team.

[B]

Some team. The. Some team. And they said, and we're picking you in the next round. They had the next pickup, and they're like, we're picking you the next round. He was, like, so excited. This was after he, like, it had been a long time. He hadn't gotten picked. And then they said, like, you're just gonna have to wait a little while. And he was like, oh, that was okay. And he thought that was weird. And then they, like, five, one minute later, the pick comes, and it's not.

[A]

Him and someone else.

[B]

And it was a praying call from, like, these students. And it turns out, like, the son of the coach of the Falcons. That's how they got his number. Like, someone. One of the coaches, like, sons had Shador's number, and the kid took it, and him and his friends prank called him. It's, like, really mean.

[A]

That's so mean. I want to say I'm surprised it doesn't happen more, because now that I think about it, like, there should be, like, a designated landline like, that only, like, one number can call. What's stopping anyone from, like, your friends from prank calling you? You know, like, you're picking up on your personal cell phone when you get drafted. Yeah. Or is it, like, your agents.

[B]

Well, no, your personal cell phone. They call you and they're like, right, it's you. Like, draft day.

[A]

And so how do you stop, like, other people from calling you? Like, I guess I'm surprised.

[B]

I'm like, you know, you could see the phone number. They. They called from a private line, and chador had said, like, nobody has this phone number. I think it was a new number. But, like, if you are in. If you are a coach, you have his number.

[A]

I'm really sad. Like, the call is not cool.

[B]

The kid put out, like, an apology. But, like, he's an. He's an. And, like, not only did they do that, they, like, filmed it, and they posted themselves doing it.

[A]

He's an. And not only that. If I was his father, I give him such a smack across the face, like, to make the dad look bad, put the dad's professional, like, job at stake. What? A little.

[B]

Yeah. The Falcons defensive coordinator.

[A]

How humiliating. Like, seriously, you're idiot son idiots. Oh, I feel sad.

[B]

So that's the latest drama. And once again, if you haven't watched draft day, you're missing out on critical understanding of how these things work.

[A]

It's that time of year, you know, you can step outside, you say, oh, it's time to watch draft Day.

[B]

I think it's time to watch drive day.

[A]

Wins in the east, chill. Coming in sequel.

[B]

Like, I don't know how many.

[A]

They don't actually. They do. Like, you, everything you needed to know about draft day, you already learned. Like, there's nothing left for you to learn.

[B]

It's so. But it comes up all the time in your life.

[A]

Yeah, it does.

[B]

It does.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They nailed the draft day process.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Some more sports news?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Bill Belichick's girlfriend, Jordan Hudson is going viral for awkwardly interrupting his CBS interview to shut down relationship questions. So Bill Belichick, you know, famed coach.

[A]

Of the Patriots, it's insane when somebody. This happens a lot, like, actually doesn't happen a lot when somebody so prestigious, somebody so like, you know, glorified, becomes like a joke, you know, so he's.

[B]

Been becoming a joke because he's dating a 24 year old. He's, you know, 100, in his 70s. Yeah. Like, there's all this, like pictures of them and like videos and they do yoga. It's confusing situation. But like a lot of older men date younger girls. And so like, we've never even spoken about them because, like, whatever Bill Belichick wants to do, like, whatever.

[A]

No, this one gets, is getting a lot of attention. But it's also probably one of the largest age gaps. It's 50 years.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's very surprising. He gave an interview to CBS Sunday Morning and they were asked about how they met and, and he looked, by.

[A]

The way he looked. Disgusting. Yeah.

[B]

That is the headline.

[A]

Like, yeah, it wasn't like a shirt with holes. It was a shirt with one hole.

[B]

Up until this interview, like, I just thought, like, Bill Belichick's like getting his dick wet. And like, what, you would do it too if you could.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then I saw the hole in the shirt and now I'm worried.

[A]

Yes. The, the feelings and the thoughts that I might have had on these two is completely different now. One, due to the hole, obviously, but.

[B]

Two, like, that's the biggest thing.

[A]

No, it's not. Because my biggest takeaway was like, you know, you see someone who's 50 years older, who is wealthy and famous, and you realize, like, it's, it's, it's gross. But it's also a fucked up relationship. The power imbalance of it all. Meanwhile, we got a glimpse into their relationship. She's running things. He's never looked worse. She is so scary. She is not being groomed by anyone. He, she's grooming him.

[B]

Like, he's taking advantage of him.

[A]

Yes. She has. It's elder abuse. She has balls of sleep. Steal. The way she just chimed in like, who the does she think she is sitting in on the CBS interview period, Let alone being like not saying that.

[B]

We'Re not talking about this. And she minced the interview. She's sitting there on the side like his pr.

[A]

Yep. We all might have at one point been worried about this young girl. After what I've seen, I am worried about this old man. Yep.

[B]

It's giving elder abuse 1,000%.

[A]

She is like, she's like a Ford built, tough. Everything I was seeing of her, I was like, oh my. Who the is this girl? I. I just thought she was like a quiet 27 year old. And you know, it makes you sad when you see them like, you know, with an old man. She obviously is like getting taken for a ride, whatever. I'm like, oh, no, this is not at all what I thought it was.

[B]

And I, I surmised that he wrote a book and that's the reason for this press.

[A]

Oh, okay. Because you invite. Why would you invite the thing.

[B]

There's something really like they reference the acknowledgment section of his book where he said like my, my muse and my advice. Jordan Advisor. Like, I need to get the direct.

[A]

Quote, but there's going to be a documentary about what these two are doing.

[B]

Well, at the very least, it's an episode of American Greed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a classic case.

[A]

It's. It's a classic case of like Jen Shaw. Right.

[B]

Why can't we even know how they met?

[A]

Yeah. This whole thing like is so. The clip is chilling.

[B]

Yeah. And the shirt.

[A]

The shirt. I've. So it was like a big hole too.

[B]

And in the most prominent space that a hole could be right under center.

[A]

No, right below the collar.

[B]

And so when you care about someone and they're doing a TV show, you don't let them out of the house like that.

[A]

No. I fear it's kind of like a Britney Murphy situation. Right. Where like her. It's alleged that her husband at the time was like really controlling and she ended up like malnourished and her career went in the. Like that's what. He looked terrible. Yeah, he looked sick. And I know he's in his 70s, but like when he was on the field, he was on, you know, coaching football games, running around outside a couple of years ago. Like he's really deteriorated.

[B]

Yeah. I hope that he has like friends who can check in on him, but she probably wouldn't let.

[A]

No, she's Definitely a scary woman. I'm afraid of her.

[B]

Officially.

[A]

Officially. Whereas this whole time I was like, oh, you know, she's like the victim here.

[B]

Oh, she didn't know that she's with a 70 year old, right?

[A]

No. And she's just like a dumb girl who's getting, you know, carried away. This is something she'll regret one day. No, he'll regret it. She is in the will 1000% and slowly poisoning him in his food. He will be dead within the year.

[B]

Yeah, she could have at least put a nice shirt on him so that we would have less concern.

[A]

No, now we're suspicious.

[B]

She's very calculated and that was a miscalculation.

[A]

Agreed. And she's also new to this whole scene, so she doesn't realize, like, we could hear you. And you know CBS is going to keep that in. She thought it was going to be like 100 cut.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not today, girly.

[B]

No.

[A]

Hilarious. P. Oh my God. Seriously? Pray for Bill.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That'S our show.

[B]

Tis.

[A]

Anything else you want to chat about? No.

[B]

I made a pargy loaf this morning of bread.

[A]

So did I.

[B]

It's been a while since I've made one so pargy and I'm really looking forward to getting into it.

[A]

Slapping on some butter a little.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And my new butter bell.

[A]

Oh, how excited.

[B]

Yeah, I'm excited for you. Big things happening, guys.

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Yeah. Love y'all. Bye.