Stronger Than Expected: Thursday, December 5th, 2024

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast – Episode "Stronger Than Expected" (December 5, 2024)

In this engaging episode of The Toast, hosts Claudia and Jackie Oshry delve into five compelling stories that span social media drama, celebrity biopics, royal rumors, music event announcements, and insider revelations from the world of comedy. Here's a detailed breakdown of their discussions:

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1. Social Media Showdown: Madeline Healy vs. Azealia Banks

Timestamp: [19:36]

Claudia and Jackie kick off the episode with a heated discussion about the recent Twitter feud between Hurts frontman Madeline Healy and rapper Azealia Banks. The conflict ignited when Banks launched a verbal assault on Healy's fiancé, Charlie XCX, initiating a storm on social media.

• Madeline Healy's Response: Healy acknowledged his limitations on social media, stating, “Guys, I don't have the right kind of intelligence slash emotional maturity... I'm actually just going to stick to music” ([20:22]).

• Azealia Banks' Retaliation: Banks escalated the conflict by attacking Healy’s personal life and professionalism, criticizing his musical choices and personal conduct. Claudia summarizes Banks' tirade: “She attacked Maddie Healy for kissing a man on stage, doing Nazi salutes, watching violent porn...”

• Hosts' Take: Jackie expressed empathy for Healy, emphasizing the harshness of Banks' attacks and the unreasonableness of such public feuds: “If I ever end up in a place where Azealia Banks is talking about me on her social media, like, actually take me out back and shoot me, I couldn't handle it” ([22:35]).

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2. Casting Conversations: Amy Adams and Taylor Swift’s Publicist Biopic

Timestamp: [25:30]

The duo transitions to the fascinating topic of Amy Adams responding to a fan-led petition to cast her as Tree Pain, Taylor Swift's publicist, in a potential biopic.

• Amy Adams' Reaction: On The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, Adams expressed enthusiasm for the idea, saying, “That would be amazing. That would be so fun. If it got closer to Taylor, then that would be fun” ([25:31]).

• Tree Pain's Role: Jackie provides an in-depth look at Tree Pain’s pivotal role in Taylor Swift's career, highlighting her exclusivity and influence: “She handles all of Taylor's media relations and is like an advisor to Taylor. I think Taylor trusts her so much” ([27:12]).

• Amy Adams' Credentials: The hosts delve into Tree Pain’s impressive background, outlining her ascent in the public relations industry and her exclusive partnership with Taylor Swift since 2014. Jackie states, “She started her own firm, Premium PR, and her first and only client was Taylor Swift” ([30:33]).

• Potential Biopic Insights: Claudia muses on the depth such a biopic could explore, suggesting, “Maybe she would write a memoir or something... 'Memoirs of a Tree'” ([28:43]).

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3. Royal Rumors: Meghan and Harry's Divorce Speculations

Timestamp: [31:50]

Claudia and Jackie address the swirling rumors surrounding the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, discussing recent public appearances and statements.

• Divorce Rumors Oversight: Claudia shares Harry’s remarks dispelling the rumors: “He said, it's hard to keep up with, but that's why you just sort of ignore it” ([32:31]).

• Separate Engagements: Meghan's attendance at a Tyler Perry event contrasts with Harry's appearance in New York, fueling speculation about their relationship dynamics.

• Hosts' Perspectives: Jackie expresses skepticism over the rumors, suggesting they are likely exaggerated: “I never take them seriously” ([32:23]).

• Emotional Support: Claudia emphasizes her hope for the couple’s happiness, stating, “I genuinely do. I just want to say I hope I do not want them to get divorced at all” ([34:16]).

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4. Music Milestone: Carrie Underwood to Headline 2025 New Year's Rockin' Eve

Timestamp: [40:19]

The conversation shifts to the exciting announcement that country superstar Carrie Underwood will headline the 2025 New Year's Rockin' Eve alongside host Ryan Seacrest on ABC.

• Event Details: Carrie will perform in Times Square, amidst other artists like Megan Maroney Love and Sophie Ellis-Bextor, marking a global celebration with Diana Torres co-hosting from Puerto Rico ([42:08]).

• Hosts' Insights: Jackie compares the event to previous New Year's Eve celebrations, noting the shift in viewership demographics: “Young people like Gen Z... might be watching live streams on TikTok instead” ([43:30]).

• Entertainment Industry Perspective: Claudia highlights Carrie’s dual role as a performer and American Idol judge, positioning her as a versatile and elevated artist beyond country music ([42:18]).

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5. Inside SNL: Pete Davidson Reveals Cast Salaries

Timestamp: [45:14]

Claudia and Jackie delve into Pete Davidson’s candid revelations about how much Saturday Night Live (SNL) cast members are paid, as reported by New York Magazine.

• Salary Insights: Davidson disclosed that SNL cast members earn approximately $3,000 per episode, estimating annual salaries to be around $54,000 to $66,000 based on the number of episodes ([45:29]).

• Hosts' Reactions: Jackie expresses surprise at the modest compensation, contrasting it with the high profiles of former cast members: “I feel like it's one of those jobs... it's not glamorous. It's like, six days in a row...” ([46:48]).

• Career Trajectories: Claudia notes that despite the grind, SNL serves as a launching pad for many successful careers, though it doesn't guarantee stardom: “Nothing in life is guaranteed, but every time you watch any comedy movie, like all the second and third they have been on SNL” ([46:16]).

• Notable Alumni: The hosts reminisce about famous SNL alumni like Chris Farley, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, and newer talents like Bowen Yang, discussing their diverse career paths post-show ([51:07]).

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Claudia and Jackie Oshry offer insightful commentary on each story, intertwining personal reflections with broader cultural observations. Their dynamic discussion provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of each topic, enriched by memorable quotes and thoughtful analysis.

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Notable Quotes:

• Madeline Healy on Social Media Limitations:

  • "Guys, I don't have the right kind of intelligence slash emotional maturity... I'm actually just going to stick to music." ([20:22])

• Azealia Banks' Critique of Healy:

  • "Everything about you is a failure. Just rap, bro." ([21:18])

• Amy Adams on the Biopic Idea:

  • "That would be amazing. That would be so fun. If it got closer to Taylor, then that would be fun." ([25:31])

• Pete Davidson on SNL Salaries:

  • "It's not glamorous. It's like, six days in a row, you don't go home, you're up until 4 in the morning." ([46:48])

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This episode of The Toast masterfully navigates through diverse stories, offering listeners a blend of entertainment industry insights, celebrity news, and personal anecdotes from the Oshry sisters. Whether discussing high-profile feuds, casting choices, royal rumors, major music events, or behind-the-scenes revelations, Claudia and Jackie ensure a captivating and informative listening experience.

Transcript

[Claudia Oshry]

Good morning, millennials.

[Jackie Oshry]

Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. We made it to the second half of the week. I'm in a better mood. Hey, Jax, how you Dern?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yay. Would you say it feels like a dursday or a Thursday?

[Jackie Oshry]

Thursday.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know. It's a little dursy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because it is, actually.

[Claudia Oshry]

We have so much going on today, culminating with you coming to my house for chicken parm.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not only that, it definitely feels like a dursday. And I meant to bring this up yesterday, but it was happening while I was recording, and I don't know if anybody heard. And today you might hear all day yesterday. Helicopters all throughout the city. There is a manhunt. Like, everyone I know is, like, really taking the manhunt really seriously. That there was a shooting of a CEO in New York, and the guy, like, ran. And so now everyone's out in the streets. There's cops everywhere. Every street is closed. There was helicopters whirring all day yesterday. So I don't think the shooters like looking for any of us, but, like, it is crazy to have, like, a shooter on the loose, so. So in that sense, it's giving Durs day. So if you hear helicopters, I am going to run today's audio through, like.

[Claudia Oshry]

A background noise reducer through a helicopter manhunt reducer.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I don't know if they have that setting on my program, but that's what that is.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's also Ders, because usually the redheads comes out first Thursday of the month in the morning, but we're actually recording today because the redheads are. They're hard to get all in one place.

[Jackie Oshry]

They're.

[Claudia Oshry]

They will be coming out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Their podcasters, their business owners, their executive executives. Like, they can't.

[Claudia Oshry]

They're satchels. They can't. Hard it is to nail down a satchel.

[Jackie Oshry]

I saw I got a piece of satch last night.

[Claudia Oshry]

Last night?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, at Soto.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And I'm wearing my Soto merch. You guys know, like, I'm obsessed with the Soto method. Let me just show you guys my new sweatshirt.

[Claudia Oshry]

So method by Parky.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, by Parky. I work out. Well, not these days, but, like, I do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Did once upon a time.

[Jackie Oshry]

Once.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, I didn't mean one time. Once upon a time.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. About 15 months ago, I committed my life to fitness exclusively via the Soto method, which is actually, I have to give credit to Jackie. She introduced me to her friend Hillary from college, who started the Soda Method. She's kind of like my best friend now. I Think, like, we would say that she's my friend.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, like, yeah, you're closer. You see her more and you're closer with her now. But the originator. Yeah, you're friends with Hillary by way of me, correct. By way. I know. I saw videos from the event last night. She's also pregnant. She has shared with. With twins, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, she's a month pregnant with twins. And she's like, leading this fitness empire, teaching classes. She's making me so nervous.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's literally an inspiration to women. Like, I want to see her on the Hollywood power of women. Like, pregnant with twins, leading a fitness class. Like, not stopping. Gorgeous. Most gorgeous woman in the world.

[Jackie Oshry]

So she had a party last night because she opened her very first, like, flagship studio. She's been doing these pop ups all over the city and they're so popular. So she's like an official space in Tribeca. And she gave a speech. And first of all, everyone was crying. Like, it was. She just like, had a bunch of people she needed to target, like her chief of staff, her husband, her parents, like, her brother. Like, everyone. And she's such an amazing speaker. She didn't have like, you know, anything written down or anything. And everyone was crying. Cuz she. And then she was like, I know people look at me and they're like, in awe. You know, I'm eight months pregnant. I have literally eight pounds of baby. The babies weigh eight pounds right now. And like, they're pushing on my gallbladder. And she's like. And I know everybody thinks, like, I'm so crazy and, like, how hard it is. She's like, and that's life. Like, life is hard, but you can do harder things. So, like, she was basically telling everyone to, like, do more.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was like, oh, work harder. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

I was like, no, okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

I love that.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then I got to see Sachi because Sachi was there too. So it was really nice to just be out with my satch.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I'll be talking to saatchi for about 75 minutes, uninterrupted, except by Dana and Rebecca this afternoon. I finished our book for the redheads last night. Shred Sisters. Oh, Dana. She knows how to pick them.

[Jackie Oshry]

In a good or a bad way.

[Claudia Oshry]

In, like, in a Dana way. Like, she keeps us literary. Like, I would never have read this book. I didn't. I. It flew by like it was one of those books that's just. I don't know what the point is. We're just passing the passage of time. I think it's about the passage of time and sisterhood. And also a thing that they kept saying in the book. It's about two sisters who are so different, like me and you. Just kidding. Not like us at all. But they kept saying, like, no one will ever love you more than a sister or hurt you more than a sister. And, like, people say that about sisters.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not my sister.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's not true.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not my sisters.

[Claudia Oshry]

That.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, No. I don't like that at all.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even when we read Good Sister, it's like, there's always this trope, like, the sister. It's like, you know, the best and the worst to have. No, like, it's just the best.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, not for everyone. Like, yeah, there are examples, but like, these over these sweeping generalizations, like, don't apply to everyone.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, everything is different for everyone all the time. But, like, they just say, that's, like, the fact about sisterhood. It's like, sometimes you love it, sometimes you screw sisterhood. And that's just not been my experience. So I just want to, like, shed light on the fact that, like, that's not a universal truth.

[Jackie Oshry]

Unless you're Victor Garber, of course.

[Claudia Oshry]

But then it's through sisterhood all the time.

[Jackie Oshry]

Correct.

[Claudia Oshry]

You don't get that love.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm so excited to come down to your house. You know, I feel like the last couple of times I've come to visit you, I've just been like, yeah, I'm going to my sisters, whatever. But whenever I come to you in, like, the dead of winter, it really is, like, exemplifies why people move to Florida. Like, I totally get it. It's so unenjoyable here between the manhunt and the 20 degree weather. Like, I gotta go. So that's, like, something I'm looking forward to. And we have jizzno with family time. I'm very excited.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's gonna be a really fun weekend. The weather here is, like, so party for us because it's. There's a chill in the air, but it'll be, like, hot for you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Winds in the east, a chill coming.

[Claudia Oshry]

In, and it's gonna be a great weekend. Tomorrow we'll be together in front of the flamingos.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Doling out Queenie and Weenie.

[Claudia Oshry]

Queenie and Weenie. What a long week.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Think about it.

[Jackie Oshry]

How are the stories today?

[Claudia Oshry]

They actually were stronger than expected. S T E. I like that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Stronger than expected.

[Claudia Oshry]

And so I guess that's what we did last night. Sodo and Shred. So don't sod.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. What else did I do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Last night I made a soup because, like I said, there's a chill. We've got so many noses in the house.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, good. Great.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah, you'll be fine. It's literally like, just a runny nose.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm really excited to see you and Liv and the kids. Like, have the kids been talking? Is everyone just being like, coachers is coming. Let's wrap presents and give her stuff? Is that what they're saying?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah, they're definitely saying that they're excited that Romeo's coming. Bruno is, like, getting his crate ready to. For two.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I need a crate.

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, Romeo can sleep in Bruno's creper. No. Doesn't sleep at night. It's just. It was a little joke.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, no, but you reminded me. I've never traveled with Romeo before. I've never brought him your house.

[Claudia Oshry]

And we also do also have a spare crate.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, good.

[Claudia Oshry]

Romeo's never been to my house.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't think so.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, he's in for a treat.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And he's like. He's gonna freak when he sees the backyard. Like, he's gonna be like, wow, my cousins live like this, and I live in squalor in Manhunt, nyc.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm gonna say, well, you know, if the plane won't let him on the return flight home, that's okay, too.

[Jackie Oshry]

Imagine I just, like, gave up Romeo. I could, by the way. I could never. I haven't even really talked about my journey with Romeo, like, in recent weeks. You know, it was a slow start for me and Romeo. Let me tell you, there's nobody like him like he is. I actually. And I said this to Ben, and Ben doesn't like, when I compare Romeo and Theo. I actually might love Romeo more. No, no, no. But the thing. The thing is, is that I so specifically was setting out to find a dog who was a carbon copy clone of Theo, that I actually now think of Romeo and Theo as the same dog. So I like the love that I had for Theo. Just transferred.

[Claudia Oshry]

What's Romeo's birthday?

[Jackie Oshry]

December 16th.

[Claudia Oshry]

And what day did Theo pass?

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, me and Ben thought this. We thought that they might have crossed, like, on the same day, and we were.

[C]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Or he's a reincarnated spirit.

[Jackie Oshry]

They. Okay, so Theo was dying when Romeo was born. So I think that Theo maybe had one leg in the other universe, met Romeo.

[Claudia Oshry]

Theo died after September. December 16th. No, he died early December.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Wait, hold on, hold on. I'm getting my dates.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think there's probably, like, a Week. How long does it take to reincarnate? Do you have to be born on the same day?

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm not completely sure.

[Claudia Oshry]

I feel like there's a few days of. Of like, you know, soul passage. I think he's the reincarnated spirit I'm trying to find.

[Jackie Oshry]

Just give me a second because me and Ben.

[Claudia Oshry]

Take your time.

[Jackie Oshry]

December 14th was when Romeo was born.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then I could tell you because we did this one's for do episode.

[Claudia Oshry]

But that was the day after.

[Jackie Oshry]

Remember?

[Claudia Oshry]

We took the day off.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yep. Okay. One week. One week exactly. December 7th. Theo died. December 14th. Romeo was born.

[Claudia Oshry]

I believe it takes one week to prepare the soul for reincarnation for that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Significant passage of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me and Ben have talked this story, so I feel like when I'm looking at Romeo, like, I don't even feel guilty about having so much love for him. Like, it's literally Theo. Like, I did. I did what I set out to accomplish, which was like, literally clone my dog.

[Claudia Oshry]

They look exactly like copy paste.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like, I pass a picture of Theo on the fridge and it's. To me, it's Romeo.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's so sweet, but I'm so excited to see dear Romeo. And Ben has been flying with you, of course. No, he loves to take a separate flight.

[Jackie Oshry]

It wouldn't be a trip to your home if me and Ben did not take separate flights. He has an event tonight, and I wanted to come tonight. So it's a Southern Charm premiere, which he's really excited about, so that's awesome. Yeah. And, like, Spritz is like, you know, it's like a whole thing.

[Claudia Oshry]

So Southern Charm is on tonight. Oh, my God, I'm so excited. Even though I didn't finish watching last season, but I think I'm just going to jump right in if. If I wait, I'll never watch it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And they have all these new cast members, so I think what's past is past.

[Jackie Oshry]

The. That's what's significant about the passage of time.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, as we've said so many times with our annoying, you know, non events that we have so much going on today, I think we should get into the story.

[Jackie Oshry]

Me too. Let's start Stew.

[Claudia Oshry]

So not stew. Beef stew. Do you want beef stew while you're here? Should I beef chunks?

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't. I'm good.

[Claudia Oshry]

Anything else you want to request? Because I have to get the meat.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, just like, have meat, you know, for when I decide what I want. Like asking me what I want today for Tomorrow is fruitless.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, but, like, what are. What are in general, like, what are you craving?

[Jackie Oshry]

Seriously? All I eat is pizza. Like, frozen pizza, pizza bagels, pizza from the street. Like, I'm running on pizza.

[Claudia Oshry]

But is that what you're. Because it's what you're craving, or it's just easy and filling?

[Jackie Oshry]

It's easy, it's filling, and it's actually so it's like protein. It's like a salad.

[Claudia Oshry]

It doesn't gross you out?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah. That's not necessarily what I'm in the mood for.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, well, you could take a look at the recipe book.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God.

[Claudia Oshry]

Your menu items.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm so sorry. I can't believe I did a whole recap yesterday. I saw Mark.

[Claudia Oshry]

Mark Schoenweather. You have a lot of marks in your life. If you know, you know.

[Jackie Oshry]

I do. No, I saw the only Mark in my life. It was Mark shown Wetter. For those who don't know. Like, three years ago, this girl from my high school texted me, like, kept in touch, and she runs, like, a production company. She's like, I'm putting together this video series where I'm putting, like, pairing, like, celebrities, influencers with different Holocaust survivors to make a video that will share, like, each day of Hanukkah, it'll be like a different celeb. And I was like, duh, love. She introduced me to, like, who I would be speaking with. His name was Mark, and we met at a studio downtown, and I interviewed him, and let me tell you, like, I fell in love with him from the minute I met him. And we've become best friends ever since. Like, also with his family. He has, like, two daughters and a ton of grandkids who are, like, toasters and, like, college age. Like, we love. And he's from New Jersey, and we're just. We're literally best friends. Like, we talk all the time. And now we started to do that video every year. Like, the series no longer exists. Just like me and Mark. It's kind of, like, become a Hanukkah staple, and everybody really looks forward. And every year when we release a video, we raise money for his foundation. He has a foundation called the Marc Schoenwetter Holocaust Education foundation, where they give grants. Like, any teacher. If you're a teacher, you can go on his website, apply, because there's no Holocaust curriculum. And, like, public schools don't have funding for, like, textbooks or anything. So they give out grants. Like, people will apply. And they choose people to give grants for, like, buses to Museums, curriculum, education, Holocaust education. And it's really, really powerful. And I know so many toasters who are teachers have applied, and some of them have even gotten the grants. And so it's a small foundation, but we're getting bigger. And every year we raise money. When me and Mark, small but mighty. I think we've raised, like, $200,000 in the last couple of years. So we filmed our video, our annual Hanukkah video. We made Souf Ghana, which is like the traditional Hanukkah treat. It's basically a jelly donut. It's so good. We went to, like, the famous breads bakery and baked them together. And I don't know if I, like, shared just kind of, like, big news with me. I don't know. Did I share this? Mark, actually, his daughters, a couple of months ago, they asked me. Yeah, me to be a board member of their organization, which never been on the board of anything before. I just felt. It felt powerful. I was like, oh, okay, board. We have a meeting next week.

[Claudia Oshry]

It is. They don't ask, like, slobs to be on the board.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's, like, actually really serious.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[Jackie Oshry]

So when I was sharing that I was with Mark, I wanted to share because so many people were like, oh, my God, what was Mark's reaction to your pregnancy? And I actually forgot to share that when Mark found out I was pregnant, he left me a voicemail. And it was seriously, like, I actually can't even listen to it too many times. It, like, makes me so emotional. It was the sweetest thing ever. And I am going to play it for everyone because it's too sweet. It's too sweet. Let me get Claudia and Mark.

[Claudia Oshry]

Greater than Ben and Alex Gordon. Shelley.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's like, not even a comparison. Okay, are you guys ready? Like, seriously, get your tissues. It's the sweetest thing.

[C]

Hi, Claudia, this is Mark. Sh. First of all, and the most important thing, I want to say congratulations. I am so happy to hear that you going to be a mommy. All the best to you. Hopefully we will see each other soon. And all the best again. Feel well, do things well. And congratulations. Talk to you soon. Bye.

[Jackie Oshry]

Feel well, do things well.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, do things well, bitch. Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, like that.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know what he's saying?

[Jackie Oshry]

Of course I do. That's literally some of the best advice I've ever received.

[Claudia Oshry]

I agree.

[Jackie Oshry]

I love him. So stay tuned for that video. You guys are gonna quake when you see what we got into.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I'm excited.

[Jackie Oshry]

Have you ever been in the back of a bakery. Like, no, let me tell you, Jackie, it's is like seriously the most amazing place you could ever be. Like, there's just like food everywhere. And I know they had to really? Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I, I feel like it's one of those things where it's like, it's just. There's flour everywhere.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. Okay, fine.

[Claudia Oshry]

There's not like actually edible goods. The edible goods are in the front.

[Jackie Oshry]

Where you powdered sugar. There's dough. It's like seriously like a fairyland. And I guess, like, I know they had, I know they had to like clean the whole place after I left because I was like putting my finger and everything being like, yeah, what's this like? Yeah, yeah. So stay tuned for that well while.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

I've got money mist in my hair right now.

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

Thank you. Turd back.

[Jackie Oshry]

What can I say?

[Claudia Oshry]

Our first story, a little social media drama. Maddie Healy stepped in it by going to Twitter war with Azalea Banks. So after a heated social media exchange between Maddie Healey and Azalea Banks, he says he'll stick to music. He said, guys, I don't have the right kind of intelligence slash emotional maturity, etc for social media. I literally just end up saying stuff that I immediately regret, etc. I'm actually just going to stick to music because I'm good at that. Having manic episodes on Twitter at 35 is kind of pathetic. So this started because Azalea Banks called out Charlie xcx, who is engaged to his bandmate.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

I didn't know George, and I also know that she's friends with Maddie's fiance. Good friends. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's like a 1975, like, you know, circus groupie type of thing. So I knew that. So him defending her wasn't shocking to me. But Azalea, like, you know, she likes to take swings at people who literally aren't even, like, talking to her. And so she did that. And I think most of the time, she expects nobody to respond but somebody major responding. And she took the opportunity to eviscerate this man. And seriously, I think Taylor Swift is going to send her flowers. Like, she came for his teeth, his music, his life, his family, his fiance.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, what he first said because she was, like, talking about Charlie X looks, and he said, azalea, you seem to have a blind spot when it comes to your reads. All the women you attack seem to be culturally relevant, attractive, divisive, and nice people. Divisive confused me.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's. He. It confused him too, because he used the wrong word.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, cool, cool. He said, I think this makes you jealous because you're so talented, but everything about everything else about you is a failure. Just rap, bro.

[Jackie Oshry]

So he was defending his friend, and he also, like, in. In turn, like, he also then attacked back, which I think was his first mistake because, like, he awoke the beast of Azalea, and she then went on to, like, berate him. And that's why the tweet you just read, he was like, listen, I didn't want. I. Never mind.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, no, he. He regrets having started with her because she ate him alive.

[Jackie Oshry]

She ate him up.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. There are so many tweets. She talks about his fiance, Gabrielle. He said, the bitch looks like Frankenstein to me. You both look like you share needles. Lmao. Then she also went in. She went. She did a whole dissertation on his teeth and, like, gingivitis and dealt dental health. And then she also threatened to sue Healy and leaked dms in which he apologized to her. She concluded by attacking the Maddie Healey for, quote, getting fined $4 million for kissing a man on stage in Malaysia, doing a Nazi salute, watching violent porn, being A heroin addict writing shitty songs, randomly attacking black women and capping for trash white. Who's that?

[Jackie Oshry]

Is that lying for trash white? Capping.

[Claudia Oshry]

Capping is lying.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes, it is.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, no cap. I'm not lying.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, but he was capping.

[Jackie Oshry]

He was capping. I don't know what all of this is referring to. All I know is, like, if I ever end up in a place where Azealia Banks is ever talking about me on her social media, like, actually take me out back and shoot me, I couldn't handle it. Azalea Banks, I love you. I respect you. I bow down, please. Never made this type of beef. Never find me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's so. It's so true. So he's.

[Jackie Oshry]

And. But you know what?

[Claudia Oshry]

From this narrative, one in which he actually started.

[Jackie Oshry]

But at the end of the day, like, I can't fault him for just wanting to defend his friend. Like, this is his friend's fiance. I'm sure they know each other really well, him and Charlie. His mistake was also, like, retaliating and trying to, like, you know, take digs at Azalea, calling her, like, not relevant and, you know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Beautiful women. Yeah. So that was a mistake. Maybe she wouldn't have, like, came for him so hard if he just was defending his friend.

[Claudia Oshry]

He was just like, I think Charlie X is a beautiful woman. Woman never look. Women never looks better.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. Right. Like, it's. And anyone who falls in the hair crosshairs of Azalea Banks, like, has my utmost sympathy. Matty Healy is not, like, a. Like, a sympathetic person. I just, like, I have a hard time feeling bad for him. So just, like. Sorry.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, sr. Why? That sucks.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know if Azalea and Lurd are going to be exchanging pleasantries, like, even though technically the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. There's a lot of politics at play here.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So that was a lot.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Azalea Banks is really interesting to me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And she. I feel as though she speaks the truth a lot. Like, she has been at the center of a lot of. I mean, Elon and Grimes, like, that was literally her. She was the one, like, living with them. Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I feel like even though she isn't really, like. Not to sound like Maddie Hilly, she's not, like, super relevant in terms of, like, music making. I feel like she gets, like, into rooms that other people aren't in, and then she, like, literally blows up the room.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's so. She's so interesting.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's an Interesting cat.

[Jackie Oshry]

I wonder why nobody has done like a full feature on Azalea Banks. Like, she actually moves the needle culturally.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, maybe that's coming.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe after Paper Magazine Type or Interview Mag. You know, like those sort of artsy ones.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I mean maybe they. Maybe they have, but. Are you reading Interview Magic?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but there would be big headlines. Like, and especially because I always have other celebrities do. It would be like Azealia Banks by Grimes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And she's so quotable.

[Jackie Oshry]

She is.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, her reads are like, seriously, Healy Kong is dentist.

[Jackie Oshry]

They're expert level reads. Like, seriously. They're very eloquent. They're not the typical like, yet ugly. No, she. They're deep cuts. She. Seriously, it's an art the way she does it. It's quite beautiful when it's not you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, agreed.

[Jackie Oshry]

And please God, may it never be me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, our next story, speaking of the LURD universe, the. The Lurdiverse, actually. I guess now Lurd and Turd, we're getting very close.

[Jackie Oshry]

Perfect.

[Claudia Oshry]

But Amy Adams is reacting to a petition that would cast her as Taylor Swift's publicist in a biopic. So if the Swifties have anything to say about it, Amy Adams might just have her next role lined up. After a fan theorized that Amy would win an Oscar for her portrayal of Taylor Swift's publicist, Tree Pain in a potential biopic, the six time Academy Award nominee reacted to a petition for the fantasy casting. She said on the Tonight show starring Jimmy Fallon. She said, that would be amazing. That would be so fun. I mean, if it got closer, if it got me closer to Taylor, then that would be fun.

[Jackie Oshry]

Lol. That's really funny because Tree Pain is like a, you know, famous redhead. And so when you think of like, who would play you in a film, there's only a handful of people. Isla Fisher and Amy Adams and Jessica Chastain. But I guess the Swifties have chosen Amy Adams. I have no problem with this.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I've never really like looked at a lot of pics of tree paint. I didn't even realize like she's beautiful. She's a redhead.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's also like a tall, slender. She looks like a model. Like she's gorgeous.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

When she is in these rooms, I bet some people think she's famous. Like that's how pretty she is.

[Claudia Oshry]

How did they meet?

[Jackie Oshry]

You know what? I actually don't know. But there is a. There is a point in Taylor's career where, where Tree Pain enters and everything changes. Like there was such a. A shift in and Tree is really responsible for the whole, you know, Easter egg universe. The mystery.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, that's all Killer nation.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like, that's all tree. So I actually would love a movie or like some sort of documentary. It couldn't happen now. It would need to happen, like, in 100 years.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

But it is really interesting. Like, she's very smart and she doesn't have other clients. Like, she's not a publicist. Even the. The biggest celebrities, they all share a couple of the tree pain exclusively works for Taylor. I would love to know how much she gets paid. It's at least a million dollars a year. Like, she doesn't do any other work. Like, tree is. Yeah, for Taylor and that's it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Which is very uncommon for a publicist.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

You get paid monthly by like a bunch of different people.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. I think she makes a lot more than that.

[Jackie Oshry]

You think she makes more than a million dollars a year?

[Claudia Oshry]

100.

[Jackie Oshry]

How much you think? 5, 10? Because she's also. She's obviously a publicist, so she handles all of Taylor's like, media relations, but she's also like an advisor to Taylor. I think Taylor, like, trusts her str.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, how much would you pay a C suite executive?

[Jackie Oshry]

Right, right. Yeah. It's actually so true. You pay them like $60 million a year.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

I would love to know. Or is it like a typical publicist retainer?

[Claudia Oshry]

Hell no.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. But maybe like, you know, you get paid per month. That's what how publicists work. And a celebrity. Most celebrity publicist I feel like are between like 8 and 10, $12,000 a month. Maybe tree's getting 100k a month.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, sure. I don't know what the payout the st. Like, what her billing cycle looks like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

If she's on salary.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Or if she's a contractor.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do you like, do you think she has health insurance with Taylor? Like, things like that?

[Claudia Oshry]

Great question.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I'm sure she has her own company with, like, staff that, like. Yeah, I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

This is what the biopic would dig into. What sort of. What's the health insurance policy?

[Jackie Oshry]

And I love that. Amy Adams's game.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Cute. Maybe one day that is how things start sometimes. Like, it's like an Internet joke.

[Jackie Oshry]

But I wouldn't find it. Like, I would find it hard to believe if they released it now.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, and also I feel like no one's writing up Tree paints matter. Like, like she would have to write a memoir or something. Like Memoirs of a Tree.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God, I would love that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right and then that could be adapted. I just don't think, like, someone's gonna go start like, shadowing Trey. That's not gonna happen.

[Jackie Oshry]

I would also love to know what Tree's career was like prior to working with Taylor. Like, how do you even get on the desk of Taylor Swift? As, like, maybe she was working for.

[Claudia Oshry]

A publicist firm on Taylor's account and then went in house.

[Jackie Oshry]

She has been the exclusive publicist of Taylor Swift since 2014. She went to the University of Southern California and she was a PI Beta 5 sorority. So she began her career as an intern. Oh, I guess she worked all in music. She worked at a British label. Then she worked at a marketing manager at a different label and then an executive assistant at a. And then. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

What was her last job before?

[Jackie Oshry]

In 1995, she joined Interscope Records as a West coast marketing and artist development rep. She worked with no Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, et cetera. Then she left to start her own street marketing company, retaining Bonnie Raitt as her first ever client. The country star. Like, she's like an old school country girl. Swirly Bonnie Raitt. She has big red hair. Do you know her?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Over the years, her client roster grew to include labels like Warner Records, Capital Records. Oh, wow. London Recordings, 143 recordings. In 99, she merged her company with Immortal Records and created IR Street Marketing. She then took a position at WME in Beverly Hills where she met Gail Holcomb, the vice chairman of the ACMS. So then she became. Began getting hired by the ACMS in 2002 to oversee media, radio, marketing and the academy. 2007, she joined Warner Music Nashville. Oh, okay. This is. What's her last job?

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

She joined Water Music Nashville as VP for Publicity. In 2013, she was promoted to senior vice president of publicity. She oversaw all publicity for Warner Music groups, country and Christian divisions, then publicity. In 2014, Payne announced that she was leaving Warner Music, starting her own firm, Premium pr. Her first and only client was Taylor Swift.

[Claudia Oshry]

Her history.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, whose publicist? Prior publicist. Who she had worked with for seven years. Taylor's prior publicist was named Paula Eric Scene. She resigned. So all good?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And the rest is history.

[Jackie Oshry]

That is so interesting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Not to spoil the biopic or the memoir, but there you go. There you have it.

[Jackie Oshry]

So she's really like. She kind of reminds me a lot of Bows from Real Housewives. Like really climbing the corporate ladder, became the VP of Warner Music and that's where she met Taylor.

[Claudia Oshry]

She doesn't remind me of her at all. But why?

[Jackie Oshry]

She had like a million jobs at like high profile companies.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And she was probably like extremely well paid as the head of publicity.

[Claudia Oshry]

How old is she? She.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that's a good question.

[Claudia Oshry]

Look as old as her resume.

[Jackie Oshry]

She was. Where's her birthday? 1971. Oh, but this is weird. Have you ever seen this tree pain. Born 1971 or 1972.

[Claudia Oshry]

I love that for her. Keep them guessing.

[Jackie Oshry]

So she's in her 40s.

[Claudia Oshry]

Our age is too available.

[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you. She's 53. Never mind.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Megan and Harry. There's a lot of rumors swirling about Megan and Harry. They've been at separate events and Harry is addressing the divorce rumors, like sort of in New York City. But she was supporting Tyler Perry at an LA event this week and he was in New York. They haven't been. They posted that video a while ago. But there's been a lot of like divorce rumors about them.

[Jackie Oshry]

There always is. I never take them seriously.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I don't. This. Not that this feels different. And I also feel like even if they are going to get divorced, like, they won't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Although I do want to say I do ship Megan and Tyler Perry. He was so there for her in her time of need. Billion dollar homes. And I think that she would be really happy. But I agree. I happen to think that a lot of the divorce rumors are overblown. But of course, sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire. But if, even if there was like an issue in their marriage, like, I don't think it would be wise for their businesses, but also for like their own psyche to ever really admit to the public that it didn't work out.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. No two people are more bound to each other than these two bound for life. So he dispelled divorce rumors while speaking in New York. He said, apparently we've bought or moved houses 10, 12 times. We've apparently divorced maybe 10 to 12 times as well. So it's just like what? He went on to say that he feels sorry for Internet trolls who look for ways to tear down the pair. He said, it's hard.

[Jackie Oshry]

Don't be sorry. We're having so much fun. Don't feel bad for us. We might not have palaces and, you know, but we are having a good time, having fun.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know that they're. That he's having fun. I feel like she's having fun. She's at an event that's super Fun?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. No, she's with her boyfriend, Tyler Perry.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't think he's having fun getting tattoos with jelly roll.

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

He said it's hard to keep up with, but that's why you just sort of ignore it. Their hopes are just built and built and it's like, yes, yes, yes. And then it doesn't happen. So I feel sorry for them. I genuinely do. I just want to say I hope I do not want them to get divorced at all. That would be the craziest thing. Not good. I wouldn't want that. I hope that they. I hope that they're really happy together, you know, for everything that they, of course. For everything that they, you know, risked. I hope it worked out. I'm a. I want a happy ending for these two and I also want. Her cooking show is what I want.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm just. I just wanted to make sure. I didn't know if Tyler Perry was single, but he. It's. Apparently he's been single since 2020.

[Claudia Oshry]

Interesting. Right around the time he met Megan.

[Jackie Oshry]

Literally.

[Claudia Oshry]

She mexicated in 2020.

[Jackie Oshry]

Then she makes it right into his heart. Yeah. The thing is, is we could project and you know, guess all we want about these two. But you're right in that they have far too much to lose business wise pride. Wise like a million.

[Claudia Oshry]

Not even bit pride.

[Jackie Oshry]

They could never. So who knows what the hell's going on inside that house.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. But they really like don't. They're not together publicly like that much considering they like are public figures and that's the job.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. You know, because you could public a lot period.

[Claudia Oshry]

But. But you could always say like you never know what goes on inside. People don't have to be together whatever. Because I do believe that. But they're literally like a fam couple throughout history. Actually they are famous. Like they're famous for being a couple.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So the long distances where we don't like see them together and they're not like do they used to be like side by side, never without the other. Which also, you know, it's good to have space. But I think imagine like, I imagine it's a hard time for them. They're sort of figure finding their feet in this.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think my world that there was a time where yes, they were like a famous couple and they were spot. But I think their life has changed so much and they've actually set it up intentionally that they're not photographed as much as they once were. Like every outing when they were royals was like an official outing. So there was, like, a million pictures of them. I think they have kind of designed their life to have, like, less public appearances. But you're right in the sense that, like, the last couple of times we've seen both of them, it has been individually.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I do. I do see what you're saying about her and Tyler Perry and I.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, there's chemistry there, for sure. And you're always, like. You're always gonna, like, feel warm towards the person who rescued you.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's kind of like the damsel in distress trope 100. Okay. Keeping an eye out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Something to think about for sure.

[Claudia Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. Oh, no. Sorry. Oh, my God.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God. I might, like. Seriously, I'm not. Okay. Is it our next story that's brought to you by State Farm?

[Claudia Oshry]

It is.

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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It's always going to be a safe choice. Our next story, Carrie Underwood will headline the 2025 New Year's Rock and Eve with host Ryan Seacrest on abc.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, that's crazy because I feel like there are currently really two big New Year's Eve bashes. Dick's Rockin Dicks. Yeah. But also Nashville, the big country one that's like really been coming up recently. And it's cbs I think. And I feel like the last couple of years we've literally toggled between both channels. So for Carrie to kind of take a stand not with Country. It's very interesting. Well, you know, she's an NBC swirly with that.

[Claudia Oshry]

This is abc. And also she's doing American Idol. And it's like, yes, she could be just another country singer or she could join, like, the nation, be the face of, like, the nationwide program. Like, she's kind of elevated past it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

She said, bye, losers. New York.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, she's taking, like, mainstream. I forgot that she's a judge on American Idol coming up.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, she'll. So she'll take the stage in New York City's Times Square to ring in 2025 on Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin Eve with Ryan Seacrest, abc. In addition, other performers include Megan Maroney Love.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh.

[Claudia Oshry]

British singer songwriter Sophie Ellis sper.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know her.

[Claudia Oshry]

While mo. Multi hyphenate Diana Torres will return as a co host in Puerto Rico. So it'll be a. A global affair.

[Jackie Oshry]

A global affair. Cool. Did you see Kelly Clarkson last night hosting the Rockefeller Center?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I was tree lighting Shred Sisters.

[Jackie Oshry]

I recorded it so. Because, like, I literally want to watch it, but I was out. I heard she crushed it. Just absolutely crushed it. Professional NBC is actually, I would say, the best network when it comes to finding talent and, like, really fostering. Like, this is, I think the second year Kelly's done it. She's obviously a huge part of the NBC family with her show. And then the OGs were, of course, they're like, I saw Hoda and Savannah, you know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I saw they were celebrating their last one together.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was bittersweet.

[Jackie Oshry]

That is sad. The same for the Thanksgiving Day parade.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

That was Hoda's last soiree.

[Claudia Oshry]

Damn.

[Jackie Oshry]

And the year is ending, which means. So was Hoda's contract, like, it's coming.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And Jenna and friends. Yeah, Jenna and friends.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, it's great to see big talent at Dick's Rockin.

[Claudia Oshry]

I like, I think this is a strong choice.

[Jackie Oshry]

Same, same. Although the other headliners, I mean, the other performers, like, it was lackluster.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe more. Like, it's usually maybe more will be announced. And also Carrie's going to be singing.

[Jackie Oshry]

What do young people watch? Like, I remember when we were growing up, like, it was Dick Clark. Like, seriously, it was only one channel.

[Claudia Oshry]

Young people like Gen Z. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, I. Are they not watching cable?

[Claudia Oshry]

They're out at a party, I think.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but still, even like when we were kids, before we were out at a party, what were we watching before we were out?

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, so like, when we're Tweet. We're watching abc. Dick Clark. Dick Clark.

[Jackie Oshry]

So what are. What are the. Those kids today watching?

[Claudia Oshry]

I think Dick Clark. Because it's what their parents are putting on. Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel. Yes, I guess. But I feel like that, like, Tick Tock does, like, live streams, like, they do live at the Oscars. They go live everywhere. And they have, like, their talent host. I feel like that's what a lot of people watch.

[Claudia Oshry]

The idea of ringing in the new year, like, looking at your phone just seriously makes me horrible. Turn on the tv.

[Jackie Oshry]

And there's always cnn, Andy.

[Claudia Oshry]

There's always cnn.

[Jackie Oshry]

And that's like a very, I feel, niche. Like, I don't think they have the biggest numbers, but they make. But they've got a lot of news. Yeah. And I think they're bringing alcohol back this year.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Or they're taking it away.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, they took it away last year. And, like, it was funny but not sustainable. And I believe they've been given the green light to bring it back.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, cool, cool.

[Jackie Oshry]

Prohibition is over, so. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I'll watch a bit of each. I'll watch Carrie. I'll watch Nashville, depending on commercials.

[Jackie Oshry]

I probably won't watch cnn, but I will. The clips, like, Andy always goes by when he called Ryan Seacrest a loser.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's when the alcohol was banned after that, which I feel. But it was funny.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right? Right. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Jackie Oshry]

Ah. Bidding is such sweet sorrow.

[Claudia Oshry]

Pete Davidson divulges how much SNL cast members are paid. And it's less than you think. So in a recent video roundup for New York Magazine, the Pete Davidson and SNL co stars, past and present a bunch of cast members through the years.

[Jackie Oshry]

I was cute.

[Claudia Oshry]

Were asked, like, what was your biggest splurge after your first SNL paycheck? So a lot of people answered the question with their answers, which we'll get to. But he said, do you guys want to know what they pay us? He said, do you guys know what they pay us? It's like three grand an episode. I think I got dinner. So by his math, a cast member would make about 54 to 66 thousand dollars per year. Because just remember I was just going.

[Jackie Oshry]

To Google how many season, how many episodes they do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's not, you know, every single week. It's so. But then also, it's a platform. You got other jobs, so that's not like the only thing that you're doing. But after your first big paycheck, like, you're not really, you Know, going and buying a Birkin. A lot of people, weirdly, a lot of cast members answered that they bought a couch.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's funny.

[Claudia Oshry]

Paid rent. Julia Louis Dreyfus bought a pair of shoes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, well, I'm trying to think that's the starting salary, right? Like Keenan is getting what, 10, 20.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And also the people who are like writers and producers, like Colin Jost, right.

[Jackie Oshry]

He wears many hats. He's like obviously paid as a cast member, he's on the show, but he writes a lot of the sketches. He's, I think, is he head writer something. So, yeah, you. I feel like if you're a writer, you actually are on salary.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And the question is with your first paycheck. So that's your starting first, lowest, right. Paycheck you're going to get. It's about 3k.

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel like it has to be a little bit more if you're like, like I think of like a Bowen Yang, because Bowen Yang, he has a podcast. But he, and he had said with Wicked, you are not allowed to take on other projects while SNL is currently on air. Like you are. And Ariana called Lorne Michaels and was like, listen, please. And like that. I guess they have like a special relationship. Bowen was like. And he got special permission. But for the most part, like however many weeks it is a year, like you aren't barred from working on anything else.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, well, I know, but I think Bowen's first season, he made the standard starting entry salary. But then it's like where you, then you are worth more. Perhaps everyone has different teams and negotiations.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I never thought of SNL as like a really high paying job. No, I feel like it's one of those jobs. I forget whose book. Oh, it was Keenan's book, where obviously when he got snl, it was like the craziest thing that ever happened to him in that first like year or two was like, it's not like fun. And he was also struggling to like stand out. Like he wasn't booking good, he wasn't getting, writing good sketches. None of them were getting picked up. But yeah, it's a dream job, especially for anyone comedy. But I feel like it's not like, you know, glamorous. Yeah. And it's not glamorous. It's like, like six days in a row, you don't go home, you're up until 4 in the morning. Like, it's like gritty, It's a grind.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're grinding.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So the fact that they're not paid well doesn't surprise me.

[Claudia Oshry]

These people become movie stars, TV stars sometimes. Most of the time.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, actually, like there's a lot of people who have come from snl but you think about how many castmates there have been. It's not a guarantee.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's nothing. Nothing in life is guaranteed dirty. But like every time you watch any comedy movie, like all the second and third.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Actors are from snl. Like you could get yourself in a movie. Unless everybody hates you, in which case work on yourself.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's good to therapy. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So interesting factoid.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I thought that was it New York or New Yorker magazine.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was New York magazine.

[Jackie Oshry]

I thought it was cute. I don't know what the occasion was, but they got together.

[Claudia Oshry]

I feel like they keep celebrating an SNL anniversary. Like SNL 50 or 50 this year.

[Jackie Oshry]

I remember SNL 40. They had that big star studded party.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. So that was 10 years ago. Why would we remember it so clearly? I feel like there was something much more recent. Maybe it was 45.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I think they really only celebrate decades. That would be crazy if they're celebrating every five years.

[Claudia Oshry]

So in 2014 we. We weren't even doing the show. Why would I remember so clearly a party?

[Jackie Oshry]

I remember though SNL 40, like 100.

[Claudia Oshry]

What was happening?

[Jackie Oshry]

Everyone was there. Adam Sandler and they. I think that was maybe one of the first times I realized how many famous people I know because they started on snl. I was shocked at and like Molly Shad and like how every single funny person got their start.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even this one. I didn't realize Jason Sudeikis was on snl.

[Jackie Oshry]

I did, but he's done so much since then that he has eclipsed. Sometimes people never, you know, they go on to be famous, but they're always known for what they did on snl.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I feel like Molly Shannon's like that in a, like in a good. But even like Tina Fey and Amy Poehler couldn't be more successful. Like they're so SNL to me. Kristen Wiig and I guess because they also like still are always swimming in that pool. Whereas Jason Sudeikis is in other pools now. Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like Chris Rock was.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, that's one SNL I don't think about.

[Jackie Oshry]

Adam Sandler. Of course, I don't think Jimmy Fallon, Seth Myers. See, I think, I think on Seth Meyers actually don't quote me on that.

[Claudia Oshry]

There. See there's a lot like a. Most of the time and a lot of the time like you can have big success.

[Jackie Oshry]

So yeah, he was. Oh yeah, he did.

[Claudia Oshry]

Got a grind.

[Jackie Oshry]

Weekend Update.

[Claudia Oshry]

We. Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

[Jackie Oshry]

All right. Now, of course, I'm doing famous SNL actors.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm sure that he's so snl, even.

[Jackie Oshry]

Though he's also Maya Rudolph. So.

[Claudia Oshry]

Snl.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, Mike Myers.

[Claudia Oshry]

Pretty snl. That's like, Wayne's pretty, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Bill Murray from Groundhog Day.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. From not so snl, but I mean, yeah, from.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm sorry, Caddyshack.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Fred Armisen and Andy Samberg.

[Claudia Oshry]

Classic Andy Samberg is snl.

[Jackie Oshry]

Cecily Strong is snl. But she also, besides the Trisca commercials, really didn't do much after leaving.

[Claudia Oshry]

But, like, if she wants a small role in a movie, she's got it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Thousand percent. Molly Shannon. Oh, Tracy Morgan.

[Claudia Oshry]

Pretty snl, but eclipsed. But I guess he's not snl because he's tgs. Yeah, he's TG Show.

[Jackie Oshry]

Julia Louise.

[Claudia Oshry]

Tgs.

[Jackie Oshry]

Tgss, the Girly Swirly Show. Julia Reed Dreyfus.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I guess. I. I don't know if I knew that before I read about the shoes. Right now.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know if I knew that either.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because I think of Seinfeld and that's pretty much it for Ro. No, it says Robert Downey Jr. No, that's wrong. Yes. Even cast members who didn't have a memorable run on SNL have gone on to great.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Some people, like, flop and get fired after a couple of seasons. Like. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

But they can still have greatness thrust upon them.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ben Stiller, I guess he was, like, not great on it, so people don't know him from that. But he's also an EPO baby. This is like, if you go down, it's like an interesting rabbit hole.

[Claudia Oshry]

It is even like, oh, Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Even modern people who, like, were on five years ago, if they've done something bigger, I kind of forget. Like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, well. But there's also. We're still, like, we're gonna. We're, like, waiting to see a little bit, like, what does Kate McKinnon go on to do, you know?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

Martin Short. Yeah. Robert Downey Jr. Short lived. He only appeared on the show from 85 to 86 one season. He has continued to consistently work after that, starring in different films. So crazy.

[Claudia Oshry]

Consistently working.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I think you could say that for sure. Same with Ben Stiller, I guess he, like, kind of flopped. Of course. Chris Farley.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

And Sarah Silverman. Oh, she was only on for one season. Two. She. The Bed. That's so interesting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

She only spent one season. Well, it's also interesting to know like, like certain movies like or comedy like concepts were born on snl. Like superstar Catherine Gallagher.

[Claudia Oshry]

Superstar.

[Jackie Oshry]

We love that movie. I had no idea. Yes. I had no idea. Mary Katherine Gallagher was an SNL bit turned into a movie.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I guess it makes sense why Will Ferrell was in it. It's such a good movie.

[Claudia Oshry]

So good.

[Jackie Oshry]

Superstar. All right, that's our show, you guys. Tomorrow we'll be together, together, together, everyone. So we'll see you then. Thank you so much for listening to the toast, the millennial morning show where we deliver the past five stories. You need to join reminded the Friday YouTube so we're watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe this video. Thumbs up. Up. We're also available as podcast anywhere Podcast. We found sets by agent teacher public video IR radiocast box. All the places where you listen to podcasts find us Atosi Viceroy about how beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented we are.

[Claudia Oshry]

Love ya. Bye.