Sunglasses On: Monday, January 20th, 2026

Summary

The Toast Podcast Episode Summary:

"Sunglasses On: Monday, January 20th, 2026"

Hosted by Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: January 20, 2026
Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)

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Overview

In this lively Monday episode, Jackie and Claudia Oshry dive into a packed pop culture rundown, setting their signature irreverent, candid tone. They focus on dissecting Brooklyn Beckham's headline-grabbing statement against his famous parents, recap weekend highlights (health updates, Palm Beach shopping, mahjong), analyze major reality TV developments (Summer House divorce, Traitors drama), critique celebrity culture (the Glambot director debacle), and deliver spicy takes on trending internet topics. The episode brims with their unfiltered opinions, witty banter, and layered insights on family drama, fame, and reality TV ethics.

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Main Discussion Segments & Key Timestamps

1. Setting the Stage & Weekend Catch-up (00:22–08:14)

• Vibe Check: The hosts are feeling the weight of a “huge news” Monday and note that Dear Toaster (their advice segment) is postponed due to so much breaking pop culture content today.
• Weekend Recap:
  • Shopping in Palm Beach (Ralph Lauren sunglasses—“such an underrated store,” [03:00])
  • Dealing with health issues: blood sugar drop, migraines, and starting her period (“What you’ve just shared with us, Co Jers? Truth.” – Claudia, [04:58])
  • Mahjong Obsession: Both getting better at the game; loving an activity where “you sit and don’t move but still feel stimulated.” [07:22]
  • “We played for three hours — I had snacks, great conversation, and never moved!” – Jackie ([08:01])
• Movie outing: Jackie’s children see a King David musical (“They said the music was Greatest Showman level—big words!” – Claudia, [09:31])

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2. Jackie’s TikTok Fame & Manicure Rant (10:38–13:25)

• Dazzle Dry Nail Polish Shoutout: Jackie is credited in a viral TikTok as an industry disruptor. “I wish I had stock in Dazzle.” ([11:22])
• Essie/OPI Manicure Rant: Claudia rails against the “archaic” regular manicure experience and price.
• “Getting an OG manicure is seriously not worth the price of admission. It was so—I can’t.” ([12:33])

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3. Personal Updates & Postpartum Checkups (13:25–14:43)

• Claudia is finally going for her postpartum six-week checkup at ten weeks; both discuss intrusive medical feedback (“I was told I was obese. We need to cancel doctors for that.” – Jackie, [14:02])
• Light banter about surgical scars and birth recovery

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4. Main Story: Brooklyn Beckham’s Public Statement Against His Parents ([19:22]–[41:39])

Context

• Brooklyn Beckham published an “eight page” Instagram statement attacking parents David & Victoria Beckham, stating he doesn’t want to reconcile and airing family grievances.
• The hosts set the stage by recalling long-rumored family drama, and their own biases: “As a boy mom, I find it sickening.” – Jackie ([20:24])

Deep Dive

• Key excerpts & their breakdown: Claudia reads the highlights, noting the statement’s “performative, Harry & Meghan”-like tone ([22:06–23:06]).
• Brooklyn claims his parents “controlled narratives” and “prioritized image over family.”
• “All this is wedding planning nonsense dragged out for years. At some point, girl, get over it—it’s part of marriage. It’s horrible. Then the wedding’s over and it goes back to normal.” – Jackie ([29:41])
• Brooklyn describes:
  • The infamous “wedding dress debacle” (Victoria backing out as dress designer, conflicting accounts in Vogue vs. current statement, [23:43])
  • Pressure to “sign away the rights to my name” (host consensus: sounds like a conventional prenup, not the sinister move Brooklyn paints it as, [25:08])
  • Mom “hijacking” the mother–son dance at the wedding (hosts roast Victoria for potential attention-seeking but criticize Brooklyn’s public airing of grievances, [31:23])
  • Family social media drama and allegations about exclusion from family events
  • “My wife and I want peace and privacy”—hosts call out irony; “No two people want to be famous more than Harry & Meghan. Except Brooklyn and Nicola.” – Jackie ([39:56])
• "The person airing their dirty laundry is almost never going to have my sympathies unless the family's truly criminal. This just sounds like wedding drama." – Jackie ([41:57])
• Consensus: The hosts are resolutely Team Beckham, seeing Brooklyn & Nicola as entitled and self-victimizing.

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5. Meghan Markle’s Netflix Show Cancelled ([43:41]–[49:22])

• With Love, Meghan will not get a third/second season; even Netflix admits failure.
• The show “wasn’t entertaining or educational, just aesthetic and scripted… the admission of failure is shocking.”
• Jackie and Claudia run down Meghan’s long trail of “failed projects” and question the couple’s financial longevity post-royalty.
• “It’s the tale as old as time—you could start strong, but you’re only as good as your next deal.” – Jackie ([48:50])

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6. Kyle & Amanda of Summer House Divorce ([53:56]–[61:16])

• Amanda Batula and Kyle Cook split after four years of marriage—hosts mark it as sad but unsurprising, given their toxic dynamic.
• Jackie rebuffs celebration: “She wasted so much time on this lowlife… Thank god they didn’t have kids.”
• “It’s Tom and Katie all over again. In a year we’ll wonder how they were ever married!” – Claudia ([57:07])
• Hosts predict Amanda may walk away from Loverboy business and ponder future show dynamics.

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7. Glambot Director Called Out ([61:56]–[71:10])

• Viral email thread from 2019 resurfaces: Glambot director is “shockingly rude” to a prospective client (later revealed to be a Nigerian princess who could very much afford it), dissuading her from booking by quoting $300,000+ fees.
• Hosts take issue with his condescending tone and examine the ethics of his behind-the-scenes celebrity TikToks: “He always filmed celebs without consent to catch ‘real’ moments… something about it always felt icky.” – Jackie ([62:10])
• New info reveals actual Glambot event rental is $3,000–$13,000—accuse the director of inflating price to brush her off.

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8. Traitors Recap: Michael Rapaport vs. Colton Underwood Drama ([71:13]–[86:48])

• Colton Underwood’s aggressive gameplay and personal history of stalking are scrutinized. Hosts strongly prefer Michael Rapaport, who is accused of homophobia after a controversial comment about Colton’s ability to “keep a secret.”
• “There are levels. Cancel culture is appropriate for people who stalk women and put GPS on cars! Call me crazy.” – Jackie ([72:41])
• The hosts believe Michael Rappaport’s intent was not homophobic; groupthink led to his ouster as everyone “tried to be marked safe from cancellation.”
• “Everyone acts tough the first episode, then the second someone’s called unwoke, stop the game!” – Claudia ([80:14])
• They also analyze gameplay (“The round tables are the Stanford Prison Experiment!” – Jackie, [84:16]) and predict the next moves.

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Most Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Brooklyn Beckham’s statement:
  • “This is so Harry and Meghan… But you’re the one putting it all out there!” – Claudia ([33:50])
• On Amanda & Kyle’s divorce:
  • “Thank God they didn’t have kids… a divorce without kids is such a low lift.” – Jackie ([56:03])
• On Traitors ‘cancellation’ moment:
  • “There are levels—I actually like cancel culture for men who stalk women. That’s not the same as having tweets from high school!” – Jackie ([72:41])
  • “The roundtables are the Stanford Prison experiment.” – Jackie ([84:16])

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Episode Flow & Energy

The show moves briskly, powered by the sisters’ rapid-fire banter, unfiltered opinions, and playful teasing. They bounce between personal anecdotes and incisive pop culture analysis, repeatedly acknowledging their own biases, and always returning to the “famous family” theme — whether it’s Brooklyn Beckham, Harry & Meghan, or the realities of reality TV breakups.

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Segment Timestamps/Outline

• 00:22 – Banter, Weekend Recap, Medical Updates, Mahjong
• 10:38 – Dazzle Dry Nail Rant, TikTok Shoutout
• 13:25 – Postpartum & Medical Mishaps
• 19:22 – Brooklyn Beckham Family Drama: Full Statement Dissection
• 43:41 – Meghan Markle’s Netflix Show Cancelled
• 53:56 – Amanda & Kyle Divorce Deep Dive (Summer House)
• 61:56 – Glambot Director’s Viral Email Scandal
• 71:13 – Traitors Reality TV Recap: Colton/ Michael Rappaport Showdown

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Takeaways

• The episode is a must-listen for reality TV, royal family, and pop culture followers who want more than headlines: you get strong-side commentary, riotous jokes, and a peek into the ethics and emotional realities of fame.
• Jackie and Claudia champion boundaries in family disputes and loyalty in relationships, but never at the cost of accountability.
• The ongoing theme: the perils of mixing family and public image—in everything from reality TV to A-list weddings.

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Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[B]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[A]

It's your favorite show.

[B]

The best five things you need to know.

[A]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[B]

They sound amazing.

[A]

Welcome back to the Toast. And happy. Oh, that's right. Confusing. Because we got so much to do today, we had to push Dear Toaster, sorry to the dtq. Don't want to be rushed. Today's episode feels different. It feels like we are on the precipice of something huge.

[B]

Why? Okay.

[A]

And I feel like everybody's tuning in today for different reasons. Like, of course Brooklyn's eight page statement, like, needs to be dissected. And I can't. I can't be rushed through that. Like, he took his time with the statement. It's only right that we take time.

[B]

And also, it's been a long time coming, like, years of speculation. We've talked about this story over and over again. And, like, now we have concrete answers.

[A]

Like, today would have been a big day, like, for any one of these things. First of all, we need to talk about, like, just our weekends. Like, we're important people.

[B]

Like, we played mahjong, right? We played mahjong twice since you last saw us.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

So, like, we are important people.

[A]

The traitors. I have so much to say about the traitors. And actually, I know I said that I was going to try and bring, like, my sunglass Robbie Hoffman energy to this episode, like, to this show this year, like, without having to wear my sunglasses. I have so many things to say today that I feel like I'm going to get canceled for that. I might just, like, be wearing my sunglasses the entire time.

[B]

I agree. And my feelings on Traders, like, haven't changed since I watched it a few days ago. So I feel prepared to share.

[A]

I have to share my unpopular opinions on Traders. I have to share my unpopular, extremely biased opinions on Brooklyn and Nicola. I have to share my extremely kind of, like, years in the making hot take about the guy who runs the glambot. And now I'm, like, so excited that he's in the news. What else are we discussing today?

[B]

Kyle and Amanda. Kyle and Amanda.

[A]

Kyle and Amanda. And for some reason, like, when Kyle and Amanda got divorced, so many people thought of us, which I'm not sure whether to be flattered or offended.

[B]

I thought of us too.

[A]

Well, of course, like, Ky, like, if I have. I have two enemies.

[B]

Not to make it about us.

[A]

Of course not. I have two enemies. Like, on this Earth. And of course Kyle Cook the low life is one of them. So you know, a bad day for Kyle is a good day for co chairs. Welcome to co journer's corner. I do have like mixed feelings on Amanda because like she's my up until recently like was my greatest enemies partner like so I don't really know how to feel about her now.

[B]

She may be the enemy of your enemy.

[A]

Air cue wrecked. I'm looking forward to the DM your friend. So I just have like a lot of feelings, a lot of unpopular opinions and I feel like I might need my glasses even though I got new glasses. Yeah. Oh, we also shopping.

[B]

She has a tortoise shell glass.

[A]

You have a tortoise shell glasser from Ralph Lauren? Okay, so I have now two.

[B]

You're not a tortoiseshell glass sort of girl.

[A]

That's not true. It's my second pair like that I have in my purse right now. So what are the others?

[B]

Oh, Versace.

[A]

Well, this is. I just want to give like a shout out to Ralph because this is now the second time where I've done like a big purchase at Ralph. It's such an underrated store and I realized that both times.

[B]

So the last Ralph Lauren.

[A]

Well, the last time I I shopped.

[B]

She'S not at the ice cream shop.

[A]

Ralph Lauren or Ralph Lauren?

[B]

Depends.

[A]

I, I say Ralph Lauren. The last time I did a haul at Ralph Lauren was over the summer in the Hamptons when we were shopping in Southampton. And then over the weekend we took a trip to Palm beach and we went walking around Worth Avenue like the fanciest. And like honestly it was kind of discouraging like walking into those stor. Want to give a shout out to Ralph for like always being at those fancy stores. And of course it's still expensive, but it's a much more palatable price range I think. And so that's why I have now found myself like buying stuff twice at Ralph Lauren just cuz it was like cheaper than the other stores. And I love everything that I get.

[B]

Yeah, it's also just cute, these sunglasses.

[A]

$130.

[B]

Love them.

[A]

Which is like a lot for sunglasses.

[B]

I think You've never worn a tortoise shell on the show before, so.

[A]

Oh, on the show.

[B]

No, I haven't. So I do feel like. Oh, you're taking them off.

[A]

Well, I don't have anything scary to say it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I feel like. Yeah, I feel like my opinions are like I kind of have the craziest thing to say. Like when it comes to Traders. So, like, we'll get there.

[B]

Okay. I'm really excited for Traders.

[A]

Me too. Was so good.

[B]

It was really fun to watch and I have a lot of strong feelings, so that's always my favorite. We'll recap it. Fifth and final story at the end.

[A]

Let'S chat about our weekends.

[B]

Yeah. Before we get into the stories, let's talk. We had such a great weekend. We had a long weekend, a strong weekend.

[A]

We did have a great weekend. Although I will say I had three, like, sort of medical episodes this weekend, which sort of like soured the great weekend. At first I had my blood. Is your blood sugar low? I had a blood sugar like crash when we were in Palm Beach. So, like, I was kind of in medical distress for about 30 minutes. That was really scary. And then I got hit with a one hour migraine the next day. And then last night, just sort of like an episode with my stomach. And then this morning I got my period. So, like, I'm just not feeling like 100%, you know.

[B]

Well, I think the last thing that you said, the other ones, I'm sorry, like a 30 minute episode, a one hour migraine. Like, fabulous, Jackie, when it comes to migraines. But what you've just shared with us, your truth. Co Jers, truth.

[A]

And what's funny is like, the thing about periods is like, at least when they're like, the way they're supposed to.

[B]

Be, it's like, I just want you to know, if you hadn't said it, I wouldn't have known. Thank you. Maybe it's because of all the news and like, there's so many distractions, but it's not written all over your face. Like, it's not oozing out of you in a metaphorical sense, but in a.

[A]

Medical sense it is.

[B]

Yes. So I want you to know you're putting on a brave phrase we would have. And you're wearing white.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which really throws us off. The funny thing about period, not 50 shades of red.

[A]

The funny thing is, like, you know when they're done, right. They're supposed to be like, really predictable.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like you're supposed to know. But let me tell you, there isn't a time that I don't get my period and I'm like, what, what is this? Like when I tell you I could have, like, seen a rat on the toilet paper and I would have been less shocked. Like, it is. Why is it so shocking? I know it happens every month. It's been happening every month since.

[B]

And you're regular.

[A]

Right on schedule. I have like a 30, 31 day cycle. I'm stay 30. Like, it could not have been more timely. And when I tell you I've never been more shocked, surprised in my life. Like, what do you mean?

[B]

Yeah. Especially after you have such long hiatus, of course, you sort of like, forget that this is a part of your journey, your womanly wilds. And it can be staggering.

[A]

The cost of a boot is staggering, you guys. My jaw hit the floor.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It was shocking.

[B]

I'm kidding. I'm. I am sorry that you're going through. I know how much takes from you.

[A]

And like, I was gonna go to the beach today.

[B]

Like, it's just. I don't think we're going to the beach today, by the way. Oh, it's like cold.

[A]

Oh, you're not like a water sign. So that's kind of stuff bothers you.

[B]

It's just like, it doesn't scream beach. We'll chat. We'll chat later.

[A]

I do want to say that I feel like in the past, whenever I've seen like, people from New York or Florida, like, wearing puffer coats when it turns like under 70 degrees. And like, these people are so dramatic. They could never. But I do feel like your body just sort of adjusts. Like it is a little. It's like 66 degrees today. And like, I put my heated steering wheel on. I used to think it was like a person thing, but I do think, like, when you just move to a warmer weather, like, you become a weaker individual.

[B]

It's just all relative.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like 66 is your 30.

[A]

Right. Whereas, like, if it was 66 degrees in New York, I'd be sweating my ass off and I'd be complaining. Like, I hate this weather. Yeah. So it's a, it's a situation. It's situational.

[B]

Well, I didn't wear a puffer. It's gonna, it's gonna warm up, but I don't think warm enough for the beach.

[A]

We played a ton of mahjong since we've seen you guys last.

[B]

We're getting really good.

[A]

Yeah, that, like I said, like, my New Year's resolution is to get good. And I feel like I feel like I'm getting good. I'm also playing with people who are like, worse than me, so it's hard to. It's like, it's a good practice, but I need to start playing with like an elite crew, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Well, we've got some games lined up.

[A]

We do have games lined up. And it's just like, so I love activities where you just sit and like, actually don't move, but you're still being stim.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's. That is mahjong to the table.

[B]

It's definitely for us because Ben was.

[A]

Like, why did you have such a good time when you played on Wednesday? And I was like, because we literally sat. We did not move. And I didn't even realize. First of all, we played for three hours and like, I had snacks, I had great conversation, I had stimulating gameplay and it's. But I also never moved. So everything kind of came to me. And that's my favorite. My favorite type of game.

[B]

Yeah. What else did we do this weekend? Oh, the kids saw a new movie yesterday at the movie theater.

[A]

Not mine. We don't do screen time, so.

[B]

They saw David. You know, Zach's always dying to go to the movies.

[A]

Did he his.

[B]

His past? Oh, I don't know.

[A]

I gotta tell you, I bet it's fire now. Like, but they.

[B]

They said it was amazing.

[A]

Well, last Secret Santa, I got like one of the most thoughtful, amazing gifts. And it was for your husband. Cause he loves going to the movies. So I got him like the AMC annual pass where you get one ticket a month, you get 50% off a companion ticket, you get 50% off concessions. And I had a feeling.

[B]

Wasn't it a one year thing, though?

[A]

Yeah, but one every month.

[B]

Okay. But the year is over and I don't know if there's rollover. I feel like we've had this conversation and if there was rollover to be had, like my husband would be using.

[A]

It and he would have 12 tickets and he literally took 12 people, including all the kids, to the movies yesterday. So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Interesting. And you can confirm that during the year long period that this subscription was active, he did not go to the movies once.

[B]

We definitely went maybe once.

[A]

Do you think he used it?

[B]

I think he used it like once. But you bought it for him in like the year of no movies. For like now the kids are at an age where, like, if there's something good out, like, it could be a special thing to go to the movies and he might use it more now. But all to say, they had a great time at the movies yesterday. Olivia and Zack said the movie was amazing. I actually want to see it. It's about King David.

[A]

That's my king right there, you know?

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's my king right there.

[B]

I've heard really good things, so that's always nice to see. They said the music was amazing. They said it was like, greatest showman, you know? I'm sorry. That's big words.

[A]

No, that's big. Like, praise.

[B]

Yeah. No, like, if you're saying it's like, the music is like, greatest showman level, like, this is the greatest movie of all time. I want to go see it.

[A]

With the exception of that one scene, the bearded lady and her friends acting.

[B]

No, but that scene is really good. I'm sorry. You know what? Scene, like, is kind of boring to me.

[A]

Let me think, let me think.

[B]

Musical scene.

[A]

Don't say rewrite the stars.

[B]

Rewrite the stars.

[A]

I do feel like that's an original thought. It doesn't bother me, but it's not my favorite by any means.

[B]

Yeah, there are a couple scenes with, like, charity, you know, charity. So over her.

[A]

Cancel charity. Charity is over.

[B]

Part Charity Barnum.

[A]

Yeah. I can't, like. Yeah. You know how I feel about charity. And, of course, Jenny Lind and, like.

[B]

I know I keep so on different pages.

[A]

I know I keep criticizing the movie, but it's important to remember it is the best movie made ever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But nothing is immune to my criticism. I just want to say.

[B]

Yeah, no. Greatness is not without. Nothing's perfect.

[A]

I forgot to tell you something. You're being talked about on the Talk. So I saw this, like, viral video, and it was, like, about, you know, three products disrupting their respective industries. I know you're gonna.

[B]

My wipes, my pets.

[A]

Three products disrupting their respective industries.

[B]

Camera counselor.

[A]

No. And one of them was Dazzle Dry. And this video went, like, mega viral. Just people talking about, like. And the girl was like, you know, and shout out. Because I've been hearing about Dazzle Dry for years from Jackie O. And I was like, okay, not Jackie O mentioned.

[B]

Jackie. I'll mention. And the video wasn't.

[A]

It wasn't, like, about you.

[B]

No, no. But, like, I'm disrupting the industry. It. I'm part of the disruption.

[A]

You are a factor in the disruption. Yeah.

[B]

That is so exciting. And I'm being that I'm talked about in a positive way.

[A]

You wrecked. As if you could talk about Jackie Owen any other.

[B]

I wish I had stock in the dazz.

[A]

Yeah. You really were, like, very much ahead of your time with the Daz.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did I talk on this podcast how I got a regular manicure by accident? Like. Like Essie. No, it's insane that Essie and Opi, like, aren't in financial ruin. What a piece of product. Like regular manicures. And I made a tick tock about this, and, like, there was A lot of discourse because, like, I haven't gotten a regular age old manicure. I. I can't even remember.

[B]

Well, at least Opi now does gel, right?

[A]

I used to be, like, a gelaholic. And then when I got pregnant, Jackie turned me on to Dazzle, and I actually liked it so much I didn't need to go back. And I can't believe there are people out here paying. Let me tell you, it was 21. It's not like, oh, when we were kids, it was a seven dollar manicure. You know, maybe three, four, five extra for tip. 21 for a manicure that literally shipped before I left the place. Like, it was insane. First of all, drying is archaic. And maybe I've been out of the game for so long because I don't dry Dazzle. You just sit there for, they say five minutes and then you can go. I put my hands under. I'm like, ma', am, it's not on. And she was like, it's a light. It's not a fan. Okay, I'm sorry. There was no way that it was right.

[B]

Even when it's a fan, there's nothing on. And they have their little fans at their desks. Like, can I have a little fan, please? No, you gotta use your stroller fan.

[A]

Getting an OG manicure is seriously not worth the price of admission. It was so. I can't, like, I get a manicure every week at home with my best friend Margo, and she always gets regular polish. She's just, like, weird like that.

[B]

That's why she's going every week.

[A]

And I tried to put her onto Dazzle and she, like, wasn't dazzled by it. And I can't believe, like, that's the she's paying for. It's such crap.

[B]

Like, I don't remember when this manicure is from. It's from Dazzle. It is more than 10 days old. Look at it.

[A]

Dazzle is dazzling.

[B]

These are gold.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

What else is disrupting the industry?

[A]

A couple of products I haven't heard of. Like, some noise. What are the earplugs? Okay, and then I can't lie. Like, after I heard Jacky, I was, like, so excited. I, like, left a comment and then I stopped watching. Like, I was like, not Jacky O Visibility.

[B]

Okay, Jackie O. Visibility. So important. Well, I guess we could get into the stories. I actually have a big day today. I'm doing something today that I need to do that I haven't done yet. I'm like, a little delayed, but.

[A]

Oh, is it A postpartum, My postpartum.

[B]

Checkup, my six week checkup. I'm doing it at 10 weeks. I just couldn't be bothered. Like towards the end of my pregnancy, I was going to the doctor two to three times a week. Like, I'm not running back to the doctor. Give me my piece.

[A]

The thing is, like, if there was something going on, like, you would know.

[B]

No. And also it's like you want the clear to be able to like take a bath, you know.

[A]

Oh, that is why I went to.

[B]

The doctor in the sack.

[A]

I went at five, five and a half weeks because I was like, can.

[B]

I take a bath, take a bath, work out? And it's like, I'm not well. It would be nice to take a bath, but who's that time? Yeah, it's like I'm not ready to do those things. So it's like I'm not in any.

[A]

Rush, but I'm not in any rush to get weighed.

[B]

Yeah, that too.

[A]

Yeah. I remember at my 6 week not to make your thing about me, I was told that I was obese. And I just feel like we need to cancel doctors for that. Not by Dr. Fox, of course.

[B]

Like, unless you have a breastfeeding safe GLP1 for me at my six week appointment, we have nothing to. We have nothing to discuss.

[A]

Although I was curious. Like, I never like, really look at my scar. I'm like, it could be oozing pus like, and I wouldn't know just because.

[B]

Like, oh yeah, you gotta check the scar.

[A]

It freaks me out, like, to look at it. It's so, like thin and like, so it was important for me to like, just make sure it wasn't like infected or anything like maggots coming out of it and maggots.

[B]

He tested negative.

[A]

He only found one and he said it's a really beautiful, small, like, skinny little maggot. So you don't need to come.

[B]

Were you maggot Aladdin?

[A]

I know, I was actually maggot Aladdin. It's okay. These things happen.

[B]

Are you ready for the stories?

[A]

I really, I actually, for the first time in my life, not for the first time, I'm ready for the stories.

[B]

So without further ado. Da da da, do. It is time for the Fast 5 stories that you do need to know.

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[B]

Thank you, Turt.

[A]

You're welcome.

[B]

Our first story, Brooklyn Beckham launches an astonishing attack on his parents, David and Victoria Beckham. In bombshell, statements on Instagram saying that he does not want to reconcile.

[A]

I do feel like we need to read the whole statement. Like, the whole statement. Yeah, if you don't mind.

[B]

Okay, here we go.

[A]

And. But while she's searching for that, I'm gonna give my takes and everything. And I do feel like it's important to acknowledge your bias. Right. And I do have a couple of biases here, which I do feel like color my. My thoughts. Although I think if they're. Okay, let me say this. I think Brooklyn and Nicola, like, I could see them being an insufferable duo like Nepos, who's never had to work in it for anything. And, like, I do. I have heard, and I remember, we heard. We say this every time we talk about Brooklyn and Nicola. We heard that, like, she's the meanest girl in Hollywood. Bella Thorne once said that about her. And I was actually chatting with someone, like, who would know? And I was like, you know, I also heard she's, like, the nastiest alive. And they were like, yeah, allegedly. So that's just what I've heard. So that's my bias, I think. I also think it's important to mention, as a boy mom, I. I'm sick over this.

[B]

This is sickening to me.

[A]

As a boy mom, I find it sickening. And also somebody who would love to, like, you know, lay with David Beckham. That is also a bias of mine.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. And I think, like, we know David and Victoria better than we know Brooklyn just because they've given us more of them over the years. They've been famous longer. They both do documentaries. You feel like you have a sense of them as a person. You can't know someone completely, but they seem like just like good, decent people who love their children and their family. They have a big family. They obviously care about family. The rest of the family's intact. Like, it's not like they're this broken home right? Yeah, so that's just the information. We're going in.

[A]

Ye.

[B]

Yes. Anyways, Brooklyn took to his Instagram stories. I'm not going to read all of it, but I will read the highlights, he said. I've been silent for years and made every effort to keep these matters private. Unfortunately, my parents and the team have continued to go to the press, leaving me with no choice but to speak for myself and tell the truth about only some of the lies that have been printed. I do not want to reconcile with my family. I'm not being controlled. I'm standing up for myself for the first time in my life. For my entire life, my parents have controlled narratives in the press about our family. Well, like, I would hope that they would endeavor to do that.

[A]

So I. This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I feel like it happens a lot with Taylor Swift where, like, a criticism of a person or a thing is like, well, they're so meticulous about their image. All they care about is like, you know, they're very, you know, like, they have publicists and teams where it's like, that's such a normal human thing. Like, and if you were at that level, you would do too. Like, we care on a small level, like what people, you know, in your close personal friend ship think about you. Like, it's okay to care. That's such an invalid criticism. Especially when you've been as famous as they are for as long as they are, and then their kids become famous. I hate that too.

[B]

No. And like, you would want to have some control over the narrative about your family that's out there in the world because you want to protect your family. Like, I don't think. Think there's really anything negative about that.

[A]

No. Especially when you think about, like, how they went through, like, major media tabloid drama so they know they've been on the other side of it.

[B]

Back to Brooklyn. Quote, the performative social media posts, family events and inauthentic relationships have been a fixture of the life I was born into. Recently, I have seen with my own eyes the lengths that they'll go to to place countless lies in the media, mostly at the expense of innocent people to preserve their own facade. But I believe the truth always comes out back to me now. This reminds me so much of Harry and Megan, the way that they're talking, the way that they're talking about the family. Like the ent.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Lies. Yes. And don't forget that Brooklyn and Nicola had dinner with Harry and Meghan.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Four losers. Yes. And also I find it so interesting that the media plays such a big part in why Brooklyn, like hates his family. Because one of my takeaways, and I saw people on Twitter pointing this out too, was like a lot of the examples that he continued talking about the wedding is stuff that was like low key, leaked. We had heard about this Marc Anthony thing that was a thing on Dumois. So it kind of makes it look like they're the ones planning stories. Because, like all their gripes, there was nothing in here. Like his spin on it was shocking, but there was nothing in here that felt brand new.

[B]

Two things. The Marc Anthony story that we all heard from Dubois years ago did not put Victoria in a favorable light. So why would that come from the Beckham camp? Right. The other thing he keeps saying, they put lies in the media. We've been talking about this story for years and nothing about it is concrete. We always end with we'll never know. Nobody put anything firm out there and actually did it was unsuccessful.

[A]

Well, Brooklyn and Nicola did, because now a lot of people are rereading their Vogue wedding piece where they talked all about the planning, yada yada. And there's a lot of inconsistencies, especially when it comes to her talking about the design process with Valentino for her dress and him now, you know, alleging that.

[B]

And then Valentino just passes.

[A]

Right. And Brooklyn alleges that Victoria actually was supposed to be making the dress for him and for her. And at the 11th hour, she pulled out, yada, yada yada. Whereas in the Vogue article, it was a years long process. We went to Milan, they came to la. So actually the only proof that someone is lying in the media is that Vogue article, because half of it doesn't align with this statement.

[B]

Then my parents have been trying endlessly to ruin my relationship since before my wedding. And it hasn't stopped. My mom canceled making Nicholas dress in the 11th hour, despite how excited she was to wear her design, forcing her to urgently find a new dress. So custom Valentino isn't like an urgent need.

[A]

Correct. And in the Vogue article, they said it took over a year and there were six fittings, like over the course of that time all over the world. So someone's lying.

[B]

And if he they wanted to end the relationship the whole time, why would she initially make the dress, like, do all the thing only to pull, like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I think she's busier than all of that. Right.

[A]

I heard theories, people thinking that like, you know, maybe Victoria was making a dress and then, you know, maybe Nicola didn't like it or, you know, Nicola had, like, like, you know, reached out to have other designers make her other dresses. And, like, you know, Victoria felt some type of way about, like, being one of several. I don't know. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I just think that's a bad idea, period. Even if you have, like, a relationship, don't have the mother in law make the bride's dress.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

Feels like a good rule of thumb.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Weeks before. Unless she's Vera Wang. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Weeks before our big day, my parents repeatedly pressured and attempted to bribe me into signing away the rights to my name, which would have affected me, my wife, and our future children. They were adamant on me signing before my. My wedding date because then the terms of the deal would be initiated.

[A]

Okay. The word you're looking for is prenup. Thank you.

[B]

That's signing away the rights to his name.

[A]

Well, like, so this is, I feel like a real manipulation of language because. And this is so Sussex. You're right. Like, the last name, the kids. I feel like this is where two people are saying the same thing in different languages. Like, I think if you were asking Victoria and David, like, what they. What he's referring to was like, well, we asked him to sign a prenup. And yes, like, the name Becca, which does not belong really to Brooklyn. It belongs to his parents. Is this billion dollar company Victoria Beckham. So what if Nicola wanted to start a makeup line called Nicola Beckham? Like, I think it was more so about business. And you know what? Like, it's not romantic for sure, but this is what is involved when you're at this level of wealth and fame and you are merging. And let's not forget, Nicola's not some popper. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. More money than them billionaires.

[A]

And I've heard that, by the way, her family is amazing.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like wonderful people. That's what I've heard. So I feel like this is, like, you know, really how someone can see a situation so differently than the others. I think if we were to, like, hear from a lawyer, it would be, like, really kind of standard stuff. It's. You're signing away your name. It's your family's name. It's not just yours. It means something bigger, especially in, like, the business landscape. So I'm actually not with Brooklyn on this one.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's a good way to explain it, because the way that he said it makes no sense. Your parents aren't asking you to sign away your name as they walk you down the aisle like they love you. It's clearly just legalese.

[A]

I know. And like I could see people like thinking that this is so.

[B]

You know, I haven't seen anyone thinking this is so.

[A]

This is just like what high profile people. You have to protect your assets. Yes. It would nice to believe that this is a marriage. It's going to last 100 years. More often than not it doesn't. And you're a dumb ass if you don't like protect your assets, you protect your name. You could go, let's say they get divorced and she was Nicola Beckham and you know, she's not a part of the family and she's going on starting businesses. Nicola Beckham. And she would be at well within her legal rights. Right. I don't think this is crazy.

[B]

My holes out affected the payday and they have never treated me the same since. Well, it also sounds like inheritance. No. Or there was like a deal that they were gonna do with like the whole family. They needed his name and he didn't sign it and so it affected the payday.

[A]

What payday?

[B]

What deal do they need Brooklyn for?

[A]

If you've ever read Brooklyn's photography book, you know that they don't need Brooklyn for any deal.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

I like this picture. It's out of focus, but you could tell there's a lot going on.

[B]

Just the great Brooklyn Beckham just say like there was a family deal on the table and he wouldn't sign his name away for the deal. Like maybe someone wanted the rights to all of their names. Maybe something like that.

[A]

I don't know. I don't even think I. I just feel like there was a prenup. His parents. This happens a lot. Like where wealthy parents want their kids, spouses to sign prenups. And it gets really awkward and it's just like, that's just what happens.

[B]

Like during the wedding planning, my mom went so far as to call me, quote, evil because Nicola and I chose to include my nanny, Sandra and Nicola's nan at our table because they both didn't have their husbands. Both of our parents had their own tables equally adjacent to ours.

[A]

So is this like grandmother or nanny Nani?

[B]

Is nani a nanny or. Or a nona?

[A]

But some people call their grandmas like nanny too.

[B]

But she's the American one. So why does she have a noni?

[A]

I don't know. Well, it sounds like, you know, the parents each had their own tables. But then at Brooklyn and Nicholas table they had these two figures who like weren't their parents. Now this is, I'm Chalking up to, like, true wedding stuff. A lot of this is like, wedding planning where you see the worst in people. I actually imag planning a wedding with Victoria Beckham as your mother in law is horrible. Like, I'm going to take. I'm going to. I'm going to see Nicholas side there.

[B]

Like, I think when you have endless resources of your own and you don't need to ask Victoria Beckham for anything and it's your wedding. Like, what is. Do what you want.

[A]

Yeah. I think that, like, a lot of the statement had to do with wedding planning. Mashuga nonsense. And like, I have planned a wedding. It is horrible. You see the worst in people, you hate people, and then you get over it. These people never got over it. So we're still.

[B]

They had a year of like, the.

[A]

Whole statement is about the.

[B]

I know, but they were together for a year, going to the premieres, being.

[A]

Together, trying to make it work, but it seems like they weren't able to make it work. And they're still holding on to all the wedding mishigas.

[B]

No, but also, like, the reasons for the wedding mishigas. It seems like Nicola and Victoria and Victoria are strong personalities. They're both clashing heads. So they clashed at the wedding. They got over it. They're clashed again now. They can't get over it.

[A]

Yeah. And so they're bringing up everything from the wedding where it's like. Like at some point when I was reading this statement, this is so in the weeds. We're talking about, like, wedding planning. Like, girl, get over it. Like, that is a part of marriage. It's horrible. But planning the wedding, you hate your family, and then the wedding's over and it goes back to normal.

[B]

So he said. The night before our wedding, members of my family told me that Nicola was, quote, not blood and quote, not family. Since the moment I started standing up for myself with my family, I've received endless attacks from my parents, both privately and publicly, that were sent to the press on their orders. I have not seen an attack on Brooklyn that came from anyone other than, like, haters on the Internet, me. Even my brothers were sent to attack me on social media before they ultimately blocked me out of nowhere last summer.

[A]

Okay, so this is where things start to bother me. Because at the end of the day, it's very much he said, she said, like I said. I actually think both people would agree that this one thing happened, but their perceptions on it are totally different. Whereas, like, being blocked or blocking someone is sort of like. It's much More binary. Like, did you do it or did you notice? Cruz has alleged that Brooklyn blocked his family. Now Brooklyn is alleging that his family blocked him. Like, which one is it?

[B]

Last summer, though. So maybe someone unblocked now someone blocked again. Now everyone's telling the truth.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

That they blocked him last summer and he blocked them now.

[A]

And this is so, like minutia. We're blocking each other. Like, we've lost the plot.

[B]

My mom hijacked my first dance with my wife, which had been planned weeks in advance, to a romantic love song in front of our 500 wedding guests. Mark Anthony called me to the stage where in this schedule was planned to be my romantic dance with my wife. But instead, my mom was waiting to dance with me instead. She danced very inappropriately on me in front of everyone. I've never felt more uncomfortable or humiliated in my life. We wanted to renew our vows so we could create new memories of our wedding day. That brings us joy and happiness, not anxiety and embarrassment.

[A]

That they renewed their vows. So it's clear that, like, this wedding was a cluster and they, like, don't acknowledge it, even though they never stopped posting pictures from it. I want to say one thing about this Marc Anthony thing. So it turns out this Mark Anthony thing is true. Obsessed. Like, obsessed. This is so Victoria. Like, this is so toxic mother in law thing to do. But just, you know, as a future toxic mother in law, I have one just question. Was there not a mother son dance, or was there two? Do you know what I mean? Because it sounds like there wasn't one. And so Victoria has just sort of made one, which she shouldn't have done. It's not her wedding.

[B]

And Mark Anthony made one. I want to talk to Mark Anthony.

[A]

Of course we do.

[B]

Who put Mark up to this?

[A]

We need Mark on the pot.

[B]

Like, did someone put Mark up to this or did Mark feel compelled to sing something? He's at a wedding. Everybody loves him.

[A]

You know, I'm sure Mark has no idea. I'm sure Victoria asked him, assuming it was, like, all good, but.

[B]

And then according to De Moi, this isn't in what Brooklyn said. But Brooklyn's not pulling punches. I mean, him saying his mother danced inappropriately. Like, seriously, why did she do. She wasn't, like, hugging him, like, my boy, my sweet boy.

[A]

Now a video of Victoria dancing with her father has resurfaced. And, like, it appears as though, like, she's a sexy dancer no matter who she's dancing with.

[B]

She's just a shoulder dancer.

[A]

No, like, she was, you know, like.

[B]

You know, show me.

[A]

Are you gonna get up? Because it's like a two person thing. No, no.

[B]

Show me the video. I don't want to dance with you.

[A]

Why not? Yeah, sure. Okay. Hold on.

[B]

It's just like, you know, she dances like a mom. From the videos I've seen. I. I'm sorry, I thought this was like such a lobo. But anyways, Dumois had said that Mark Anthony also introduced her as like the most beautiful woman in the room. Victoria, Becca, not, you know, the bride.

[A]

So she just like sways her hips and, you know, it's close. Like, I wouldn't say that that's inappropriate, but I could see someone saying it's inappropriate. I'm like, okay, I guess. Like, again, I think it's like, so.

[B]

It'S just a single person dance that she's doing with, like, she. That's a solo dance and she's doing with a partner. So it's. It's more so like just not jiving. But I'm sorry to call that inappropriate. It brings up like the worst connotations, of course.

[A]

And it's such.

[B]

And that's.

[A]

It's an unforgivable thing to say, like, because obviously that's the takeaway ever. I mean, when I saw it, I.

[B]

Was like, that's when I was like, seriously, I got it from my chair. Like, I'm done. Like, yeah. Because regardless of what's in the statement, the fact that he put out eight pages, like, talking about why he's not reconciling with his family, like, keep it to yourself.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

The fact that he's speaking on it publicly and so obviously and in such detail is wrong, period. It's spare behavior.

[A]

It's. It's giving spare.

[B]

It's giving spare. The memoir.

[A]

Of course it is.

[B]

I. And this is oldest son. Oldest.

[A]

And I feel like I can acknowledge that, like, probably during the wedding planning and the wedding itself, like, Victoria definitely took opportunities to make it a. She's. We're forgetting this is fucking Posh Spice. Like, it's always been about her. You know, she is this larger than life figure. I could see her being like a nightmare to plan a wedding with. And I could see her. I could also see Nicola, like, wanting to give her nothing. And I feel like they didn't give her a mother son dance, which is crazy. So she just created the mother son dance she wished to see in the world and made it like this big spectacle. And then, you know, now in hindsight, he could be like. And she was dancing Inappropriately. Like, like all of these things. I am never. And I feel like, yes, we acknowledged our bias. I am really almost never going to take the side of someone who's publicly.

[B]

Dragging their own family, scattering out the dirty laundry.

[A]

Unless your family is a ring of pedophiles or criminals. Like, for the most part, it's like interpersonal family things. And I'm just really. And if the family's intact, like you said, seems like Cruz and Romeo. And they love Heaven Harper. They love their dad, they love their mom. They seem to be this really strong family unit. And again, maybe it's the Becca machine, you know, winning me over. I just. But also, like, I'm also a wife and if I feel disrespected by my mother in law, I want my husband to ride for me. So, like, it's. It is very complicated. I'm trying to look at it and I don't know, I just. Team. Team Beckham. Like, sorry, Team Beckham, Not Peltz Beckham. No.

[B]

Continuing on.

[A]

So then he said, wait, now it makes a lot of sense why they did that freaky Peltz Beckham thing. The name, the name, the name.

[B]

My wife has been consistently disrespected by my family, no matter how hard we've tried to come together as one. My mom has repeatedly invited women from my past into our lives in ways that were clearly intended to make us both uncomfortable.

[A]

This is so Queen Elizabeth like.

[B]

Despite this, we still travel to London for my dad's birthday. So this is where everything deteriorated most recently, the birthday party. We traveled to London for my dad's birthday and we were rejected for a week as we waited in our hotel room, trying to plan quality time with him. He refused all of our attempts unless it was at this big birthday party with a hundred guests and cameras at every corner. When he finally agreed to see me, it was under the condition that Nicola wasn't invited. It was a slap in the face. Later, when my family traveled to la, they refused to see me at all. Okay, so obviously something happened between when everyone was harmonious and the 50th birthday party. And he's just leaving that out? He didn't say they come to London. I only see Brooklyn when. And nothing happened before that.

[A]

Obviously. I don't know David Beckham personally. I just like, have a really hard time believing, like, he was in the same country as his son and refused to see him, barring something crazy having already happened.

[B]

Yeah. And refused to see Nicholas something crazy happened. You left that out.

[A]

Yeah. You can hate Her. But you still have to see her. She's your daughter in law. Like refuse or. Or this is his version of events.

[B]

But Brooklyn and Nicola were at the premiere of Beckham. Yeah, something happened between that and London where he refuses to see his children. Duh.

[A]

If he refused.

[B]

No, I think he refused to see. I think what we keep saying is, like, what Brooklyn is saying is true. He's just leaving out key things.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

And painting everything in like the worst possible light. Yeah. Anyways, he says, my family values public promotion and endorsements above all else. Brian Beckham comes first. Family quote, love. So love is in quotes. As if the love is not real. Is decided by how much you post on social media or how quickly you drop everything to show up and pose for a family photo op. So he's saying they're the family that poses?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Even if it's at the expense of our professional obligations. What professional obligations?

[A]

Wait, was it you making a girl cheese or you taking a picture on a blurry camera?

[B]

We've gone out of our way for years to show up and support at every fashion show, every party, and every press activity to show our, quote, perfect family. You know what I hate? Hate.

[A]

It's like him and Nicola acting like they are doing a favor by lending their big names to go into a Victoria Secret. The best thing that could have ever happened to you is sitting front row at a Victoria Beckham fashion show. Like, acting like they are holier and better. Like, than, you know, showing up for your mom is them doing her a favor. Like she's this fabulous.

[B]

No, but also, when you have a major accomplishment, like your family shows up for you. If you. You want your family to show up to your major accomplishments, like, have some.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Then he says, but the one time my wife asked for my mom's support to save displaced dogs during the LA fires, my mom refused.

[A]

Okay, well, now the dogs.

[B]

I'm sorry, that's just. That can't be the whole truth.

[A]

I. I agree. And also, like.

[B]

Yeah, sorry.

[A]

Yeah, hold on, hold on. And also. And I am an animal lover. Of all the things like that happened during the LA wildfires of such destruction, such tragedy. And the dogs, of course, being one of them, you're gonna reach out to this woman who you literally hate. Like, it's like a last. Like, you know, no matter what, like, we're raising, we're fighting the dogs. Like they're. Again, dogs are so important.

[B]

What about people?

[A]

Dogs are worth saving. Of course.

[B]

What about people?

[A]

But not before people. So I just. I Feel like that he.

[B]

But he just, he wants, like, everyone to now cancel her because she hates dogs. Yeah. She wouldn't save the dogs, right?

[A]

Dogs.

[B]

Dogs.

[A]

Dogs.

[B]

Them dogs.

[A]

Them raggedy old dogs.

[B]

I'm just telling you, I'm not buying it.

[A]

Like, that's such a low blow.

[B]

Like, such a low blow. It's so Harry and Meghan. The narrative that my wife controls me is completely backwards. I've been controlled by my parents for most of my life. Right.

[A]

That's their job. Sort of like what parents do.

[B]

I grew up with overwhelming anxiety for the first time in my life. Since stepping away from my family, that anxiety has disappeared. I wake up every morning grateful for the life I chose and have found peace and relief.

[A]

Good.

[B]

My wife and I do not want a life shaped by image, press or manipulation. I'm sorry, this is Harry and Megan. All we want is peace, privacy and happiness for us and our future family. That is why we'll be moving to Canada.

[A]

It's so Harry and Meghan because, because the overlying thing is like, all these, you know, he said, she said. But all we want is peace and privacy. And there aren't two people who want to be famous more than Harry and Meghan. Except for Brooklyn and Nicola. Like, and we, we know Nicola now, but you guys forget because I remember back in the day, like, oh, she, she was always like, running around la, Hollywood being like an actress, director, whatever. Like, coming from a very wealthy family, you can just fund that sort of lifestyle. So the, this is sort of the life that she wanted. And I'm sure when, you know, she's famously like, you know, exclusively dated Nepo families, like, in an attempt. Remember the Anwar Hadid days?

[B]

Like, no, I don't.

[A]

Oh, they dated for a very long time. That was like her model era, of course. So please, we elephants don't forget. Okay? Like, we know this is, this is the life she's always wanted. And it's a life that, like, being rich is amazing. And some people who are rich, like, it's not enough for them. Like, they do also always want to be famous. So she is now. And so. And it is what she's wanted? I think so.

[B]

Well, what I always say is, like, let's see what they do next. If they sail off into the sunset, into a life of privacy and talk.

[A]

Because they do not have to work.

[B]

Anxiety free, then, like, you know what, then what they said was true. They didn't want to be in the. They don't want to be on Netflix. They don't want to be at the Red Carpets. They just wanted their piece. And I will say the proof is in the pudding. Yes, but we have to see what they do do next.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

It just makes me really sad because, like, there's no winning for Victoria and David here because even if everyone. No, even if everyone takes their side, like, even us, we're taking their side and we're laughing at this, like, but it's her child.

[A]

No, it's horrible.

[B]

It's horrible. It's a nightmare. Like, it made me sick to read it and to put out something like that is just wrong. Like, if you want to cut ties with your family, go ahead. You don't have to tell the whole world and I to just want. Want them. They might have felt like the Beckhams were putting out all this stuff about them. We have been covering this, talking about this for years and we have nothing so mysterious. We've had nothing concrete to go on. And you just took a big. In the middle of the room and it was you, not them.

[A]

No, it was you. And I think a lot of people are like, well, Nicola's controlling him. And Nicola wrote this. You know what? You are responsible as a grown man for your own actions. This is your f. No, sorry. Blood family. And. And I don't know, like I said, I'm really never going. My. I'm always going to be biased when a situation like this because the person who's like, you know, spreading their legs, telling everybody what's going on inside their family home, I just find icky. Unless, of course, you have something really nefarious. But this sounds like a lot of just interpersonal family wedding planning drama based on what he's told me.

[B]

Clashing personalities, hurt feelings.

[A]

And to take it this far, I. I actually find it deplorable. H. And I don't know what the general, like, consensus is of people online. Like, I think a lot of people are like, good for Brooklyn. You know, you got to protect your wife. Wife priority. And yes, actually as a wife, of course, like, your man should always. But it feels like these two are so hell bent on being victims that they see everything through this, like, perspective, perspective, perspective of victimhood when they're really not. It sounds like he came from a family that gave him. I mean, if you've read literally, you have to see his photography book, like it is an exercise in parental love because, you know, they funded that whole project. Like it's absurd. His cooking shows, like it's absurd. It's a joke. And so these are two people who I think found themselves, like, you know, as a couple, and I think they started to get like, you know, people were really into their courtship before the wedding. Like, and I think they kind of got high on their own supply and, like, thinking that, like, you know, they're this great power couple like Victoria and David, and they're sort of like equals and peers with one another. So, yeah, we'll come to your show, but you better be grateful. It's like, well, no, you better be grateful. Yeah, that's the vibe I get.

[B]

Yeah. And all those things like that you just said when you just take out the names, replace them with Harry and Megan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Stand true. So I. I'm glad they've all found each other in this mean, cold world.

[A]

That might be a good segue into our next story.

[B]

You know what it can be. We'll push number two, but there are so many parallels to Harry and Megan. Our next story is that Meghan Markle's With Love Megan won't return for a third season on Netflix. And I just want to say it's actually a second season it's not returning for because the first season was shot 1 and 2 were shot all at once. So they put out the first half and then they saved the second half and called it season two. But really it was one season that they shot. And why would they not put out the second half? They already filmed it no matter how season one performed.

[A]

Now, I know all we do is talk about, like, projects that Meghan and Harry start and don't finish. So, like, this shouldn't be shocking. I am floored.

[B]

I'm always floored when there's an admission of failure.

[A]

Yeah. Even though, like, while the show was heavily criticized, it was heavily watched. Like, it did chart on Netflix.

[B]

Like, the second season, definitely less, which debuted last August, did not even make the list of the streamer's top 10 shows in the US west the week it debuted.

[A]

Everything makes it.

[B]

Everything makes it.

[A]

Yeah. I think maybe like, the. The intrigue only held people so because of course, we're curious. And then we found out, like, it wasn't filmed at our house and like, it really was so surface level and like we were just eating edible flowers.

[B]

Very service level. And I feel like I was a target demo. I'm always saying, like, I want more cooking shows. I enjoyed bits and bobs of the first season, but at the end of the day, like, there wasn't real value in the show and things takeaways for me, like, like, I, you know, you're not learning something because she's not an educator, and we're not learning with her. You know, someone come. There was just, like, not enough value to be taken from the show.

[A]

You got to entertain. You got to educate.

[B]

Educate. Like, shows like that, you really have to either educate or, you know, it's outrageous, entertaining. And there wasn't any of that.

[A]

Right. Like, she was really trying to trick us into thinking, like, she was a professional. And a lot of it was, like, very elemental. But even that, like, these days, like, aesthetic content does so well. It doesn't need to be. But there was just really, like, a. Like, a serious sense of genuineness missing. Like, yeah, it was so scripted. It was so performative. You know, you could tell all of her guests that was the first time she was meeting all them except for Daniel the makeup artist. And, like, that was really just very uninteresting. But I'm shocked.

[B]

I'm shocked at the admission, but I see some point. People, like companies have to make money. You can't just have this, like, house of cards. So Meghan Markle, Sparkle's show, we Love Megan, won't be returning to Netflix. Multiple sources have told Page Six after the duchess called the show, quote, a lot of work. One insider said it's not.

[A]

She said that.

[B]

I'm sure she said it in the context of a much larger thing. How it's more. It's a lot more work than I thought. You know, it's not returning as a series. There have been conversations about holiday specials, but there's nothing in the works yet, said the insider.

[A]

I'm crossing my fingers for a holiday special.

[B]

She did a holiday special this year, right?

[A]

It was season two.

[B]

No. Was it? It wasn't just a separate, as ever with Love holiday. Loving the holidays with.

[A]

In an as ever type of way. I don't know. Okay, we do need to start a list of Megan's failed projects. Only because there are so many confessions of a teenage founder.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With Love, Megan now archetypes. Wasn't there, like, a Disney plus initiative?

[B]

Well, there was an initiative. Was it an animated series? And was it not Netflix? How are they doing Netflix and Disney?

[A]

And also, did she do a children's book?

[B]

Yes, she did. Or did Harry?

[A]

Can you give me a list of all of Meghan Markle's projects in the last five years?

[B]

I think she did a children's book called the Bench.

[A]

The Bench, yes. That came and went quite quickly.

[B]

Harry still owes Random House two books.

[A]

Two books. So Netflix and tv.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They did the docu series, which I do feel like to this day, is their most successful venture. With Love Megan. Heart of Invictus, which is a documentary Invictus scheme about Harry's involvement in the Invictus games.

[B]

Oh, and they're also making the Polo documentary for Netflix.

[A]

Polo is next. Live to Lead, which was a docu series featuring leaders and influencers produced by Megan oh, also known as Live to lead in 2022. Holiday specials and short form content including holiday episodes of With Love Megan and a source of social and a short social media video content. Megan Tease is a part of bigger content plans. Archewell. Oh, meet me at the lake.

[B]

Okay, we're waiting for that.

[A]

A rhythm within which is a documentary short. I'm not sure if it's come out yet. Let me just check.

[B]

I just don't think documentary short is like where it's gonna.

[A]

Product launches of course are shelf stable food as ever.

[B]

Right.

[A]

A 7 podcast, female founder and archetypes and then of course Archwell.

[B]

Okay, so a sever is still going.

[A]

A sever is still going.

[B]

And let's see what happens with that. I also saw somewhere in this article that like now she's going to focus more on like social content for her cooking and stuff. More like bite sized content. But her social is a disaster.

[A]

Un disastre. Like it's insane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't believe. Yeah.

[B]

So I don't have hope for that.

[A]

Yeah. I wonder how much money they have. Like for real. For real.

[B]

I'm sure they have many millions, but like they spend.

[A]

They spend many millions. Yeah.

[B]

And they want more millions, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They don't have as many millions as the people that they are hanging out with.

[A]

The life post royalty. Like once you're officially cut off, like no matter how high you start, it's almost impossible to survive. Like what was her name? Fergie. You become. You eventually end up becoming like a. Like a. Just a tabloid sort of like rundown. And these are two people who started with everything. Like the world, especially in America, like the adoration of America. And it's just sort of like this tale of souls time no matter who you are. Like you could start out strong, but it's not looking good.

[B]

No, it's not good. And. And not even to make it for a third season. A second shoot is rough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story?

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Our next story, Summerhouse stars Amanda Petula and Kyle Cook split after four years of marriage.

[A]

Now, if you know anything about the marriage or the relationship that preceded it, quite literally nothing about this is shocking. There were also rumors, but last like.

[B]

The shock to me is like that they did it. You know, she did it. Yeah. That like so many seasons of like they have a, it seems like a not a flourishing relationship, but they're then at the reunion, no, we're good, we're strong, they love each other, we're happy. And then to be like, actually, no, yeah, I do.

[A]

Like, there's just this celebration happening from. For anyone that's found this out. Like, Amanda's free, but like, I don't know, I really started to change my tune on it. A couple. Like, I feel like when I watch the most recent season because it's like, yes, Kyle is this 40 year old man child. He's DJing, he's acting like he wants to be a serious person. He's not. He cheated on her.

[B]

He's awful.

[A]

He does inappropriate things. He fell asleep at a family fan's house. But like, that's her low life, you know. And she clearly loved him so much to put up with like an iota of the stuff that she put up with. I think anyone else would have walked away, but like, she really loved him so much. I don't know. After all the things that they've been through. They had been through worse. Falling asleep at a fan's house is bad, but they had been through worse. I don't know. At a certain point I just started rooting for them because, like, she really loved him.

[B]

Like, yeah, the love must be so strong that these things don't really register. I think falling asleep at a fan's house is bad. Falling asleep at a fan's house when you're married for four years, I think is worse than cheating in the early stage of your relationship.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Drunk blackout. Like, whatever happened, it was, like, obviously a mistake. You know, it wasn't like he was carrying on an affair. Like, I think falling asleep at a fan's house four years into your marriage is worse.

[A]

I mean, it's all bad, you know, I think we're all mad.

[B]

Yeah. But I just think that that is bonkers.

[A]

It is. And I think it's a real. Like, it just makes me sad. Like, I'm not celebrating this like everybody else, because, like, what I see is, like, a girl who wasted so much time on this, like, real low life. Like, you know, I don't know how they met. Were married for four years. They dated for many years before that. And I. She did get a lot out of the marriage, I think. But at the end of the day, like, I don't know. It's like, thank God they didn't have kids. Like, for real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because a divorce when you don't have kids is such a low lift.

[B]

I wonder what was it for her? Because the fan housing happened months ago enough that it's in the preview for the coming season that hasn't even aired yet. So it happened over the summer, so say.

[A]

Right. A lot of people think it's, like, his newfound DJ career, but he, like, has been doing that on the low for a long time.

[B]

Almost like we've seen two seasons of.

[A]

It, and it seems absurd, of course, but, like, this is a person whose job it is to party. It's, like, not that crazy.

[B]

Yeah. It's, like, good for his alcohol brand. It's good for his reality TV career. Like, but now it's. It's six months after more or less, falling asleep at a fan's house. Like, why now? Like, what. Why now?

[A]

Why this fan?

[B]

What changed in their relationship that was different than a year ago or two years ago where she. Or maybe it just compounds and it's like, I can't. I can't take this anymore.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm curious, because this was a marriage. Like, are we gonna get the very sort of stereotypical, you know, call her daddy episode? He was texting other bitches, you know, and you find out, like, really what color their underwear was or. But that doesn't happen. Like, I don't feel like that happens a lot with people who are married when you are, like, kind of like. Yeah.

[B]

To me, it's completely, like, comparable to Tom and Katie.

[A]

Oh, great. You're all about the great analogies today.

[B]

Oh, well, thank you so much. Like two people who were married for what felt like, like longer and by the end, like they' different. How are they ever together? Where it's gonna feel like also the.

[A]

Whole time people knew this was a bad marriage.

[B]

But they told us that their best friends, Bubba Rubbishabba.

[A]

Bubba Rubbishaba.

[B]

And so we're like, okay, Bubba Rubba.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

We're obviously like, TV's not showing us something. The edit. Like, we're wrong.

[A]

Bubba Rubber. Bubba Rubber.

[B]

And in a year from now it's gonna feel like, how were these two people ever married? Like Tommy, Katie, how were those two people ever married?

[A]

It's an amazing comparison. It's so true. True. So I'm curious, like if.

[B]

And they never really turned around and were like, they did this. No, they did.

[A]

They hate each other and they like leave mean comments on each other's Instagrams and stuff. But we never got a full expose because at the end of the day it was a marriage. And even if you hate that person, like you should want to protect them publicly.

[B]

But also because they were on reality tv. I think we saw what happened. Nothing needed to be said with Kyle and Amanda. One, whatever they want to share with us, they'll share on their show, like in their time. And two, we've seen it all play out. I don't think there's a lot of stuff that we don't know. I think, I don't think there's going to be like a sit down, tell all about things that happen in the marriage that we don't know. Maybe a sit down, tell all about how I'm feeling about it.

[A]

Of course, of course. Now where does this leave summer house? Because like, yes, people break up Carl and Lindsay, but this was a marriage and like an eight year relationship. Does who get them to go?

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

I mean, it's fucking crazy. If they continue to spend the summer together. Like, I just want to say. Yeah, especially because I really feel like a part of Amanda hates Kyle. Like, I mean, how can you not? He's so awful. So it's not like some people get divorced and it's like wrong.

[B]

It's Lindsey and Carl. Lindsay hates Carl.

[A]

Right? But they just weren't married. They did not share a life for a year.

[B]

They did, but they were very close. Like this is like a more extreme version of that. But when they ended their engagement, it was like, how could they be in the same house together? And then they did it.

[A]

Well, because I don't know if that would have been the case, if she didn't end up getting pregnant and, like, literally, new life. Who didn't? This, like, Carl is so yesterday's news. Like, she literally had a baby like, a year later. I think it would have been different. I don't know. Like, is she gonna start dating?

[B]

I mean, I feel like. And also, I had seen something that, like, he had a cousin's wedding and he. She was wedding. Like. And even at Bravo Comp, people were like, they were living separately. They just filmed filming this, finished filming the city. I feel like they've been broken up for a while.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And even before that, they were unhappy. So I feel like her being with some. Someone else starting now would be fair to say.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I also think, like, will it be Jesse Solomon?

[A]

You're going to have to, like, pull Summerhouse from Kyle's cold, dead hands. Like, he's not going quietly.

[B]

No.

[A]

And I'm so curious, of course, about where this leaves, you know, the stock for lover boy. I do feel like at one time, like, you know, I forget who owns, like, what percentage, but they did not sign a prenup. So, like, Amanda is entitled to half of whatever Kyle owns. Like, and I do feel like at one point it was, like, a really very valuable. I do feel like it's kind of changed. Like, I feel like Amanda would have been like, you can have it. Like, it's like, it's yours and whatever. Like, I think at one point, like, they were on track to like, actually be a really successful beverage company and, like, maybe get acquired by, like, a. But I don't feel like that's the case anymore. So I could see Amanda being like, listen, I hate this marriage, and if this is what's holding us together, like, just have it. Yeah.

[B]

I wonder how it will go. I could imagine her. And also, he's so wrapped up in it. Like, it is his whole life. Higher self. Like, I think she might just be like, just have it, and I'll take the.

[A]

The dogs. I'm taking the dogs, dumbass. Yeah. This where. Like, this feels a little bit like Megan. Like, I'm not surprised by it, but I'm surprised that it actually was admitted.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that we're doing it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I just, like, I don't know. I'm not like, you know, everybody. The collective joy and celebration. Like, it's sad. Like, this is a girl who, like, literally wasted so much of her. Her life.

[B]

They've probably been together 10 years.

[A]

That's terrible. Like, what does she walk away from this marriage. Marriage with just terrible memories. Yeah. It's sad. I feel bad for her. Yeah.

[B]

But we'll see what happens. In terms of the show. Yeah.

[A]

I'm curious and, you know, I do feel like this breathes like a little bit of an interesting life into Summer House. I feel like they kind of needed it.

[B]

Well, I feel like this season looks to be good based on the preview, but it hasn't even come out yet. So this.

[A]

Was there a trailer?

[B]

Yeah. And then the end fan. That was just a trailer.

[A]

Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

[B]

So I also think if they've been separated for months, then we'll see the disillusion. It will happen on the show.

[A]

Show, yeah.

[B]

Because I do think that that's true. It's been reported for kind of months now, but everyone just sort of let them come to it in their own time. So it's not like they broke up.

[A]

Yesterday, but there was also the announcement of like a spin off ish type of show of Summer House. So maybe like Kyle gets Summer House and Amanda gets the city.

[B]

Oh, true.

[A]

That would be good.

[B]

That would be nice. But yeah, they finished filming the city right before Bravo Con and they came in like literally right off set and they were like, oh, it's crazy. I think that's when the marriage ended.

[A]

Oh, you know, and that's actually a good platform for a new show to launch off of. Yeah, love that. Very Sheena Shay. Eddie Cibrian.

[B]

Our next story, some drama with the glambot director.

[A]

Oh, my God, I'm obsessed with this. And I'm also confused because I was not entirely sure what. So I don't know if you know the guy. He goes really viral on Tik Tok.

[B]

I've seen him before, but I didn't realize he was such a personality for like owning the glam bot.

[A]

So I don't know if he owns. That's my thing. So years ago, this guy who clearly, like, was the guy, guy who would go to award shows with the glam bot and like tell people, okay, you have to stand here. It's a three second camera. Turn it two seconds. He gives him directions. He started filming a lot of behind the scenes. And you would see like celebrities come up. You would see them do the glam bot and you would see like if they were friendly or not. And an element of it not to be like, well, now that he's getting canceled, I always knew he was bad, but like, there was an element of nefariousness to it because you're filming people they don't know. And like, these are people at a work event. They're not always like. Because there's like a video of JLO going viral now. Like, she walks up to the glam, but she's not rude or anything. She's not like super chatty. Now people know they're being filmed. They'd be like, how are you? How's your son? He's eight. Right? Like, you know, they use it as an opportunity to be like, I'm a good celebrity, you know? Cuz at first he was film and they were going so viral because it felt like this guy sort of like behind the scenes, they don't know they're being filmed. What are celebrities really like to the cast and crew? But an element of it always felt like a little icky to me because, like, you're filming people without their consent. He knew what he was doing when he would post videos. Like, sometimes people would come up. And so this Jayla one's going viral recently. She doesn't say a lot. She's obviously done the glambot 1000 times. She walks up, she's like, hi. He's like, it's a three send camera. She's like, she does her pose and he's like, thanks so much. And she like waves like, she literally maybe says one word. She's not rude, but, you know, she's already having like a tough time. And so it went super bad. J Lo's rude to the cast and crew. He ended up taking the video down. So I just like, I don't know. His thing always like, kind of bothered me also because just. Does he own the glam bat? A fun fact that not a lot of people know is that the Glambot was actually created for the E Now network by Joseph Khan, the guy who directed a lot of Taylor Swift's music videos. So in terms of who owns it, I don't know, maybe he like copycatted it and like brings it to award shows. I don't know what his relationship with the intellectual property technology is, but he's the guy. And he's also made himself a celebrity. Like, he gets. He's like an influencer now. So something about it always felt like a little icky to me. I just want to say, and now it turns out he's quite an icky individual because. Because this exchange is getting leaked and I never even thought about it. It's like a photo booth. Yeah. You could book it for your own event. And this woman reached out to him directly, being like, I Would like via email, I'm having a wedding. I would like to book the glam bot. What is the cost associated and how do I book? And what follows is the nastiest fucking exchange ever.

[B]

Yes. So in a series of messages from 2019 that are surfacing now, she reached out to the book the his. She reached out to him to book the services of the glam bot, apparently for a wedding. But she was met with resistance from the filmmaker maker, the Glambo guy, who stressed that hiring him and the Glambot would be expensive. He said, quote, just so you are aware, the Glambot is a camera system and personnel used by a network television station for one of the biggest red carpets of the year.

[A]

Okay, can I, can I read the whole exchange?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

She reached out, put in an inquiry, and he goes, hi, Yinka, thanks for reaching out. Just so you are aware, the Glambot is a camera system and personnel used by a network television station for one of the biggest red carpets of air the year. It is not cheap. If you feel like this is something that might be within your budget range, I am happy to discuss further. So the girl was pretty much unfazed. The girl is very wealthy. She goes, yeah. She said, hi, Cole. Yeah, it's something in my budget range. Smiley face.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

He responds, hi, Ginka. Copy. I don't see how you could be, since I didn't say how much it was and it could be between ten thousand and a million. Million, okay, but to her it could be a million. It doesn't matter to this woman. He says, she says, sorry, yeah, she says, yeah, I just assumed it was very pricey since it's featured at the Oscars. So what are the steps to book? Would you be the person that comes? Do you just work with them for carpets? What's the rundown? All very good questions that I myself, I'm also wondering. It's a crew of about 15 people, plus network setups, rehearsals, gear drop off, camera rental, lighting rentals, insurance, permits, etc.

[B]

Rehearsals.

[A]

He's saying, that's what happens at an award show. We really don't give a. We're trying to book it for our.

[B]

Wedding for some drunk friends.

[A]

He's just like trying to be impressive to this random woman. She said, okay, so where would I begin? Is though you through you or through a website? He says, this is where it really gets crazy. Okay, it's $300,000 and I'll take a 10 deposit to secure the gear. And once I have the deposit, I can do a contract Ready to get started? Question mark. She said, thanks, Cole. I'll reach out by Monday. He says, if you wanted to know how much it costs, you needed to ask. You just needed to ask. You don't need to pretend you're going to book it. She said, I did. That's why I asked. I want to book it. That's the end of the exchange. What an.

[B]

Yeah, a lot of thoughts. So his defense is that, like, you know, someone could just, like, reach out.

[A]

And I'm sure it happens a lot.

[B]

No, like, inquire and just sort of, like, put them on blast. Like, this is what it costs. But I don't think anyone would expect for it to be cheap if it got leaked that, like, The Glambot cost $300,000 for you to be at your wedding. Like, I think people be like, okay, so don't have the $300,000 Glamot at your wedding.

[A]

And to be clear, I thought it was, like, so expensive that you couldn't even get it for a private event. Like, it never even occurred to me. So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I found that fact interesting. And I imagine he does get, like, a lot of annoying inquiries from, like, fans like, Stan Twitter. So don't run an Internet business. Like, this is what you wanted and this is what you got.

[B]

However, I would like to see. Just to, like, know where they saw landed. Like, did any. Her wedding.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Could she have afforded the glam bot? Oh, yes, yes, very much so. Okay.

[A]

And then, of course, like, you know, the picture that shows he's now being accused of racism because she's, like, a black woman. And so it's like, well, what, you didn't think a black woman could afford it? Is that why you were being so nasty?

[B]

So nasty and so rude and condescending?

[A]

Yeah. And apparently she's like, you know, a Nigerian princess. Like, she could have afforded it. And then that's what I read on Twitter. So just, like, you know, that's the wedding.

[B]

Like, you can sweat.

[A]

Yeah. It was a lovely affair. Glam botless.

[B]

Of course, she had three beautiful ceremonies, apparently.

[A]

Yeah. Like, it wasn't a budget thing. That's why, like, she reached out and she was just like, whatever. It's gonna be like, it's gonna be. He's like an asshole.

[B]

Someone said, mind you, Yinka had been keeping that email thread since 2019.

[A]

Oh, is it from 2019?

[B]

It does. Committed to seeing the downfall of an enemy. But why did she just post this now?

[A]

I don't know. Oh, that's funny. I didn't know it was from 2019 but it's literally going so viral.

[B]

Yeah, that's really crazy. Like just when someone wants your service, just send the. Send the how much it costs. Also it also felt like he was pulling $300,000 out of thin air to be like oh yes.

[A]

No, he made it up.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Unprofessional.

[A]

Unprofessional. It's funny that that this happened in 2019 because like when you think about. When I think about like the trajectory of the glam bot like career, like that was his heyday. 29. No, we. Because 2020 was Covid. So he was acting like this before.

[B]

In the beginning of the glambot.

[A]

No, but I'm talking about like him and his personal.

[B]

Because it sounds like maybe he got.

[A]

Famous and got like to be AN but in 2019.

[B]

And like I imagine in 2019 before he got famous, like he wasn't getting rogue emails from people reaching out. Like it would have been a real customer.

[A]

Yeah. So he was an before the fame. Which is frightening. Yeah.

[B]

But having a glam about at your wedding would be sick.

[A]

Such a slayer slay.

[B]

Such a slay.

[A]

Never even thought about it.

[B]

I need to get married again and get $300,000.

[A]

And the thing about the I don't even think it's 300. I don't even think it's three hundred zero zero zero because actually what I saw was somebody was like. And again, I have to stop falling for AI because I saw somebody going on the website being like it's actually $5,000. Like it's not even that crazy because.

[B]

It'S just a video and it was slow mo maybe what are we talking about?

[A]

Maybe the network one is like a bigger deal.

[B]

But it's just a video on a neck. A camera on a neck that swivels and then you slow it down. I feel like any. That's a good business idea. Someone should do an at home glam bot and then like bring it to wedding. Okay.

[A]

A glambot rental for an event for according to Google Gemini typically costs around three to six thousand dollars for the setup for the standard package including setup and attendant and then unlimited videos with instant sharing.

[B]

Yeah, it's not that proprietary actually for.

[A]

Large activations corporate events costs can jump to like 13,000.

[B]

Yeah. And like the one that's like 360 where everyone's like dancing. Exactly. Like yeah. Like Gerald photo.

[A]

Yeah, right. Photo booth event photo booths like are really sophisticated these days. It's not what it once was. It used to Be like the biggest.

[B]

Get any of them for any event. Like, for. I didn't even question 300.

[A]

Now that I'm thinking about it, it's one camera and on like a fancy on a neck. Yeah.

[B]

And then you slow it down. Like, which you could do in your phone own.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You could do a homemade crazy. You could do a homemade glambot.

[A]

And I don't know, I just feel like the. Like, I always felt like his intentions with the behind the scenes celebrity videos, like, always rubs me the wrong way. Now celebrities know. So, like, they know when it's glamot time. Their publicists are like, the whole thing's filmed. Be nice. Whereas before you were walking on a carpet, you're at a work event, you smile for the glambot and then you go on about your day. You're not schmoozing. And so him like filming everyone and setting it up. And at first, like, for the first, like year or two, people didn't like, know that they were being filmed. It just felt icky to me. So it makes. I just want to say I was praying for his downfall.

[B]

Like, yeah, especially if, like the crime, like JLO is just being quiet. Like, like short and quiet, you know, no one's like barking orders.

[A]

Correct. I don't know. I didn't like it.

[B]

Our fizz and Vinyl story Traders recap. Let me get a stretch.

[A]

Let me also, you know what?

[B]

I might need my sunglasses too.

[A]

So two episodes were released.

[B]

Trader spoilers incoming. This is pretty much the end of the show, so if you haven't come caught up. Have a great day.

[A]

We'll see you tomorrow. Okay. So the first episode, the second episode is where, like, the big things happened and where I really have a lot to say about Colton v. Michael Rappaport. And I have been like, a staunch defender of Michael Rapaport because I just felt like this entire time like he's been himself. He is just like loudmouth housewives obsessed. And like, that's who they cast and that's what they wanted and that's what they got. And then I do feel like a lot of people were, you know, unfairly coming for Michael. And then this episode, like, if you hated Michael. Michael, yeah, put them on. It was Michael v. Colton. And I just, I. I have no.

[B]

Problem with what Michael said.

[A]

I hate Colton. Okay, so let's just talk about. Let's get right to the meat potatoes.

[B]

And then we'll talk about other stuff.

[A]

Because they were accusing one another of.

[B]

And I just want to say up until now, everyone's been hating that Colton's on the show. They've been saying, you know, the Cassie and he. It is really important.

[A]

Like, people in this sphere, we're always talking about cancel culture. You know, like, you know, somebody says a popular. An opinion that's unpopular, they get canceled brands, whatever. They're never allowed to leave their house again. But I feel like when we talk about cancel culture, a lot of times we, like, loop in, like, you know, criminals like Kevin Spacey. I'm not talking about Kevin Spacey, okay. I'm talking about, like, Camila Cabello and her old tweets. Like, you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There are levels, like, I actually like cancel culture for men who stalk women and put GPS trackers on their car. Like, call me crazy. Crazy. I don't feel like that's the same as, like, having tweets from high school. Like, I don't. When I'm talking about cancel culture, I ain't talking about Colton Underwood because you know what? I want him to be canceled. Like, he's a crazy person. Okay? So you are never gonna find me defending Colton Underwood. And I feel like this has been, like, you know, he thought he was real. This show is so big, and it really makes.

[B]

He thought it was the renaissance of.

[A]

The very, like, Dylan Efron edit. Like, I think he thought, like, this is my time. And he came in with his sweater vests and his fun, oh, are you gay? Did you play football for some 17 years? Say it again. We don't give a. Okay. He's so bothering me so much. And then the comment, yeah, and I.

[B]

Think he wants, like, glaze over his time on reality tv because, like, it is murky, you know, questionable. Not, like, first of all, the fact that he was on the show. The bachelor dated 33 women. He says both. He kind of talks out of him because he said at the breakfast that he didn't know he was gay when he was on the Bachelor because some.

[A]

People don't know him there. He's, like, not really famous, like, in this new reality TV world.

[B]

And everyone's, like, older. They didn't watch Colton Caesar.

[A]

So someone's like, oh, you were the Bachelor?

[B]

Or they're younger, like, and they didn't.

[A]

Watch Colton season, so they know he's gay, but they're, oh, wait, you were the Bachelor? And he was like, yeah, but I didn't know I was gay. So he says it that morning.

[B]

Yeah, he dated 33 women on national television, like, in pursuit of marriage. And he didn't Know he was gay. That's what he said. Right.

[A]

And then at the round table, when his, you know, coming out timeline is being discussed, he's saying, well, are you saying that I'm going to keep being a secret? Because I kept a secret for 20 nights.

[B]

Years.

[A]

Well, I thought you didn't know for 29 years.

[B]

He said, no, he didn't even say. He said, you think it was fun for 29 years of my life, like, keeping that secret? So just a little, you know, did you know or didn't you know? We can talk about that. But also, I think he wants to glaze over that whole era because it ended with him stalking his ex.

[A]

She had a protective order against.

[B]

She had a restraining order against him. He put a tracker on her car. There were, like, harassing text messages.

[A]

Her whole family.

[B]

That's actually. I don't think anybody, like, really takes umbrage with the fact that Colton was the Bachelor and now he's gay because. Because, like, who cares? Shit happens.

[A]

No.

[B]

And it's like, it's tv.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it's like, he's living. I'm sure, you know, he played football in the NFL. I'm sure he had, like, a very long journey to, like, understand an uneasy one. Right. So, like, no one is, like, was mad that Colton was the magic. But that chapter of, like, stalking his ex is if you, like, you could take issue with Colton for that.

[A]

Oh, and I do, mind you, justice for Cassie Randall.

[B]

So he kind of wants to glaze over the whole thing and just be, like, Colton chalking it up to, like. I will say, for the first few episodes, I was enjoying enjoying his arc on Traders. I felt like he was really playing the game hard. But then he started playing too hard. And this, to me, was, like, the demise of his arc on the show. When he came after Tiffany, like, all of a sudden, really sort of baseless. She's sitting there crying, like, the whole.

[A]

Room, sort of devastating.

[B]

And he's, like, whipping up votes, and he can just, like, decide who is going to be the traitor. And then he's gonna.

[A]

He's a very compelling, charismatic guy. People really listen to him.

[B]

Yeah. And in the first few episodes, I was enjoying it, too. Like, he's. He's putting together things, and it's a shame because he's overplayed his hand at this point. And his next theory. He's actually onto something with Lisa right now. Yeah.

[A]

But it's too bad.

[B]

But so with Tiffany, like, that was really sad to see. And I could also imagine, like, this game is like sort of a mind fuck. You think someone's a traitor, you're going to go hard for them. So he goes so hard for Tiffany. She's sitting there crying. Like Michael Rapplefort said, she felt crazy alone and isolated and she gets sent home. So the next day, he's back at it again.

[A]

Wait, mind you, like, what he just did is the crime they will not let Ron off the hook for.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And Ron actually bad evidence. The whole point of this game is, like, you have to accuse someone. It's not a crime to accuse someone. It's not a crime to be wrong. Especially if you came to. He convinced me. And, like, he really. She did flub her word multiple times. It wasn't like he pulled this thing out of thin air, literally. Colton went off of vibes, like, so baseless that, like, his crime to me is more egregious. He should have been sent home immediately.

[B]

And also, so it's like, it's not a crime to get it wrong.

[A]

It's the point.

[B]

But like Michael Rapaport said the next day, like, you have egg on your face. Maybe take a back seat. You know, your sniffer is off. And he's like, well, if I miss a shot, I'm shooting again. Listen, take a sip of water before your next shot, Remy. Rethink, strategize, you know, work on your shot.

[A]

So then comes the comment like, so they're going back and forth. Michael is now his new target. He's going to try to get everyone.

[B]

But, like, I just want to say leading up to the that I felt like Colton was going too hard and knowing that Michael's obviously not the traitor, like, he's wrong. Like, he does need to reassess the things that he thinks makes someone a traitor because you went so hard and you were so wrong. He also was taking credit for calling out Donna as the traitor when he was not the one with that original idea. Like, he thinks he. Like, that is a win in Colton's pocket. He did not vote for Donna in the first round table. He was a bandwagon.

[A]

Donna. Yeah. So they're having the conversation. And Mike, Michael, you know, is being accused of being a traitor. So his sort of strategy is like, you're the traitor, actually, you're the one pointing fingers at everyone. And, you know, if anyone here is gonna keep a secret, it's you.

[B]

Yeah, he said. I mean, he said, just like Tiffany last night, I'm angry, I'm pissed off, and I'm isolated because of him. And nobody in this room would be better at holding a secret than you, which is I.

[A]

So now immediately, Colton took it as like, oh, homophobic. You're saying because I held in a secret for 29 years, even though this morning I said I didn't because I held in a secret for 29 years that I'm gay, that I would be a good trader. And everybody's clutching their pearls. Johnny Weir is going to pass out like. Like. And they immediately sent him home because they literally just decided in that moment he's a homophobe. Nobody wants to be, like, touching the homophobe. And it's like, michael, RIP Michael Rappaport in your life.

[B]

Michael, in that moment, Michael Rappaport. It's funny.

[A]

And I do believe that Michael Rappaport did not mean that because he has no idea at first why everyone's, like, so aghast. He's like, so.

[B]

He doesn't even know to apologize.

[A]

He has no idea what's going on.

[B]

Because he didn't know that he said something that could be perceived as so wrong. And immediately, once it's made clear to him what they think because Johnny Weir.

[A]

Said the closet, and Michael's like, the closet. I'm not talking about that.

[B]

Right? He's like, and I don't even know if Michael knows about all the Cassie stuff, But, like, yes.

[A]

And by the way, he does not.

[B]

It's like, is this a deceitful person who would do something like that? Michael's like, no, you just are. And I think his vibe. Colton, like, coming into the show, he's so amped up on, like, the show and playing the game, and I think he really wanted to be the traitor. And that's what Michael's saying is like.

[A]

And Michael's also accusing him of being able to hold a secret, not because he's claw was closeted, but because Michael believes him to be a traitor. Like, right? So the crew, like, the vibe shifts immediately. Michael is sent home. In that moment, everybody ends up voting for him.

[B]

Even Johnny ware was like, I don't care who you are.

[A]

I want you out of my. My castle. Girl, I didn't even forgot you were here. Like, I want you out of my castle.

[B]

That was not it.

[A]

Now, the reason I'm wearing my glasses is I just want to say one thing. I do not believe that Michael Rapaport meant that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I really, really don't.

[B]

Also because Michael Rapaport seriously can't help himself. And if he meant that, he would say, yeah, I meant that.

[A]

And he doesn't like, thrives off of moments like that. So, like, yeah, he would have gone down in a blaze of glory. Like, he doesn't care.

[B]

He would have gone hard. He would have doubled down and been like, yes, right. And I meant it.

[A]

As far as Michael knows, given the conversation that was had that morning, Colton didn't hold a secret for 29 years. He was just like a late in life gay guy. Like, like, the thing is Colton is always talking about his sexuality and I'm telling you, like, nobody gives a. Nobody cares. He's always talking about how he's gay and he played football for 17 years. Like, nobody cares. Like, he's just one of those people who thinks that everybody's always thinking about him. And so when he's sitting there, like, so victim and there it is.

[B]

Yeah. And he just went from being like the biggest, baddest in the house. And that's what's bothering me about this show is like everybody came on first episode like, trash talk. I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna murder. I'm gonna taste your blood. And I' like it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Michael framed something in a way that they found offensive. Everyone's like, oh. And all of a sudden, stop the game. Send. They know he's a faithful.

[A]

Send him home. Even though he's a faithful.

[B]

I can't believe he said that. It's like you guys are talking about killing each other. How you're going to be like the baddest, nastiest person in the house lying to people. They're telling you they're these traitors. They're opening up. People are opening up to you and you are going to use it against them. And because Michael framed something in a way that felt unwoke to you, oh, stop the game.

[A]

And I just want to say shout out to like the very few people at that table who did not vote for Michael because the people that voted for Michael did not actually at that point even think that he was a traitor. They just wanted to be marked safe.

[B]

As like woke from cancellation. But I actually think and they just wanted. I think they also want to do what they think the fans are going to want them to do. And from what I've seen, like, people do not feel the way they thought they were going to feel about for.

[A]

The most part, nobody thought Michael meant that. It would have been a crazy thing to say.

[B]

Despite the fact that everybody like, does dislike Michael. Like, he's not popular online. But I, I actually think Colson's less popular. And in this moment, they're like, no, that's. He was actually saying, like, true things about Colton and all of that was missed. And everybody, like, with their backs up, pearls clutching like it was so loser. It was so phony.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like there's like an SNL sketch that, like, mimics what this was because it was just like the most performing formative I want you out of my castle meanwhile, hasn't impacted the show in the smallest way. Like, shout out to Stephen Coletti for.

[B]

Still voting for Ron and Candace.

[A]

But Candace and Lisa both voted for Ron. But, like, they have ulterior motives. So, like, it was just like a real exercise in group thing. Right. Like, it was so, like, herd mentality. It really like, I now believe that this group of people to be the biggest losers on the planet. Like, I thought it was so lame. And if they don't like Michael, like, they found the show be like filming with him unpleasant. Like that. I understand. Understand. But under the guise and like framing him as a homophobe, which really I do not believe that he is, like, was so fudgeing lame. It was just the lamest group of people doing the lamest thing. Like, the theme was lame. Yeah. I do not think he meant that. I cannot stand Colton. It was like the best thing to happen to him in that moment.

[B]

Yeah. And also the heats off of him. They're not going to vote him out at the next round table lest that would be homophobic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As well. However, will the traitor send him home now that he's on to Lisa Arena? He did say that in front of a group of people. So I do think that that would be curious if they sent him on. But I also think he might have picked up a shield.

[A]

I think he might have picked up a shield, too. And yes, it was unfortunate that he said it in such a good big group of people because it one, makes him suspicious of everyone in that group, Rob. And two, it kind of confirms Lisa as a traitor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then Lisa, when Lisa found out that was so funny. Colton.

[B]

But she actually is sort of playing it wrong because she has been really quiet. And I Even though Candace, you know, I'm teenager Monique, Candace is playing it really well. She's.

[A]

And the sunglasses is a great call.

[B]

By Colton and the over the top reactions when they come in and then not really putting her neck out there at the round table which, like regular Lisa Rinna would. Right. So Candace is like speaking enough that you think that she's so safe. I mean, Johnny and Tara trust her so much. They're about to let her in on their big secret.

[A]

I can't wait for them to just reveal, like, we're best friends for life. And everybody's like, okay, like, seriously, nobody cares. Like, they are. Are just. I think they really think they're doing something.

[B]

Yeah. And I think Rob's also playing a really good game, but also because people don't know him that much, so they don't know what to expect. But what bothers me is, like, Michael was so entertaining on the show. He had so many good one liners. Like, I will miss his presence. And then, like, when Maurice really bothering me, she's like, stop talking. You talk too much. It's like, girl, you don't talk enough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyone want to say something at this roundtable? Does anyone want to bring something forward? Everyone is so scared of being like, yes, when you put something out there, you now have a target on your back. But, like, what you're doing just going to no the sh your way through.

[A]

Pacifism, like, hiding and being forgotten about will get you far. And that, I just think, is the flaw in the show because the more interesting you are and the more vocal you are, the more likeliness that you won't last very long.

[B]

Yeah. But also it protects you because the traders don't want to eliminate distractions, but your fellow. Your fellow faithfuls will eliminate you because they're dumb as.

[A]

No, the round tables are actually a sociological. They are the Stanford Prison experiment. Like, it is so, so fascinating to see how, like, in a group, different personalities mesh and how, like, easy it is for people to just become so caught up in, like, actual, like, fantasy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was really interesting. And I agree. Maura's giving nothing except for, you know, being carried around by Rob, which I ship wholeheartedly.

[B]

If Moore and Rob fall in love, then it will all have been worth it. You're a traitor. What is she gonna do when she finds out Rob is a traitor? I wonder if Rob will, like, sell out one of his own for his love. Mora. I also read something that I about Candace and Rob. Yes. That they're, like, not on good terms.

[A]

Right now from, like, what happened.

[B]

Because I was also thinking it would behoove a traitor to put up the name of a fellow traitor at the round table and get them eliminated. They're seen as a traitor, you know, so traitors will have to turn on each other at some point. And I think Rob is ready to run from these two.

[A]

Not only that, but Rob is going to help his fellow traitor to a certain point. And again, he sees these, like two cackling hags who are not taking it seriously. And so he told her he did his due diligence. It didn't sound like he wanted to fight that hard for Lisa right now.

[B]

And if he's been in the Colton voting block this whole time, he can't change his stance.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't wait. But every night Ben gets into bed, we have more traitors. It's the best show.

[B]

Yeah, I know. And it's like when I'm watching it, I'm like, these people, there's a stupid this reward stupidity. But then, like, when it ends I'm like, I feel a withdrawal.

[A]

Yeah. The roundtables are the best part.

[B]

I would love to, like, binge it.

[A]

Well, you could binge last season.

[B]

I could, but I don't want to get confused. And it would be interesting to know are the people who are always the loudest never the traitors. You know, I just feel like also.

[A]

It'S very different every year. I think they choose different types of people and then also like different personalities mesh and like some season rewards the quiet people and some seasons don't.

[B]

Yeah. And I feel like for the faithfuls they can't really just go on what happened last season? Oh, there was two gamers as traders last season. Which means we got to get rid of the game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You need a tabular asset. It's almost better if you haven't watched because you don't have these pre cash preconceived notions of what it should be.

[A]

Right. And like Rob watched and studied and knew a murder in plain sight was happening and he got his ass out. Like, knowledge is not power.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

Justice for Michael rapoport.

[B]

Yeah. And for the viewers because his presence will be missed.

[A]

Conniving, colluding.

[B]

Commiserating. Colton and justice for Tiffany.

[A]

Oh, that was devastating. And like, Candace is like such an empath. I actually, like also felt really like I could see see why she got so choked up. It was also just good for her image, you know, as a trader.

[B]

Yes. But also I don't understand why Tiffany voted for jam Jam that night because the vote was between her and Ron. So why wouldn't you put more votes in the Ron? Like she's a gamer. That's like one on one. You don't third party that has no chance. Well, first. Oh, sorry.

[A]

Your things are written down before you see anyone else's vote.

[B]

Oh, I guess also there must be so much more round footage discussion.

[A]

I don't think they know knew in that moment that she was going home.

[B]

No, no, no. But but it's like the people were targeting her and Ron. Why vote for someone that no one's really talking about? Maybe there was convo about conversation about jam jam.

[A]

Maybe there was and they cut it because it's uninteresting. Yeah. Okay, well that's our show. Tomorrow has dear. We pushed dear toasters to tomorrow because we got to get this episode up. People are waiting. Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast online morning show. We deal with the fastest remedy. The fighting jeeps are watching us on YouTube. You please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast and our podcast we found set Spotify gym Stitcher Public Radio I.O. cast podcast all the placement about a beautiful sounding and wickedly talented VR. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we will see you tomorrow.

[B]

Love you. Bye.