Thank You Amanda Batula: Wednesday, June 17th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast (Wednesday, June 17, 2026)

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Episode Title: Thank You Amanda Batula
Date: June 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

Jackie and Claudia (“Turt” and Claire in this episode) deliver a highly energetic and candid rundown of the latest in pop culture and reality TV. The main theme centers on recapping the bonus Summer House: The Aftermath episode, exploring the fallout and emotional complexities involving Amanda, West, Sierra, and others. The episode also discusses other major pop culture stories, such as the surprise Jelly Roll/Bunny XO divorce, Taylor Swift's late-night studio session, Ballerina Farm’s new media interview, and a detailed Love Island USA villa shakeup.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Summer House: The Aftermath - Deep Dive

[15:47–33:57]

• Format and Content:
  The Aftermath episode takes a podcast-like approach: three extended conversations (Amanda & Lindsay; West & Kyle; Sierra & Miha) instead of montage-heavy reality fare.

  • Amanda & Lindsay's Conversation

    • Praised as the most “revelatory” segment.
    • Lindsay showed a nuanced blend of warmth, toughness, and empathy, allowing Amanda to open up for the first time without being berated.
    • Amanda explains her deeply traumatized mindset after her tumultuous marriage to Kyle, and how vulnerability led to her falling for West.
    • Insight:

      “Most people who would do that in their life…would never have to deal with what Amanda is now dealing with. So I thought Lindsay’s tone…I couldn't have written it better myself.” (Claire, 17:23)

  • West & Kyle’s Conversation

    • Frustrating for the hosts; West avoids direct admissions, especially dodging whether he actually loves Amanda.
    • Highlights the blurred lines and lack of accountability among the house’s men.
    • Quote:

      “When he said yes, I was like, oh my God, maybe he is changed. He was like, I mean, I told her in your room. And I was like, what? ... That was really crazy.” (Turt, 23:26)

  • Sierra & Miha

    • Labeled as disappointing and negative—a “low point.”
    • Miha’s appearance complicates perceptions further, making West seem more manipulative.
    • The “revenge bestie” dynamic between Sierra & Miha seems forced and not uplifting for Sierra.
    • The segment left both hosts feeling that the more they learned, the more disillusioned they became with all parties involved.
    • Quote:

      “It was very much like losery behavior...The more we hear and see from Miha, the more I think it starts to vindicate West...No, because let me tell you why…” (Claire & Turt, 24:52–25:56)

• Meta Commentary:

  • The hosts reflect on the meta impact of the Amanda/West storyline, noting their own show’s record-breaking month driven by listener interest in “West Mandeval.”
  • They express gratitude to Amanda Batula for inadvertently fueling the show’s success:

    “Amanda Patula doesn't really realize what she's done for us. And for that, thanks.” (Turt, 04:53)

  • They also discuss how viewer/host knowledge of off-air events (Amanda & West traveling to Rome, still together) undercuts the tension onscreen.

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2. Love Island UK & Reality TV (Meta Talk)

[06:36–10:16, 63:32–77:12]

• Show Formula Critique:
  • Both hosts agree Love Island’s format is fundamentally flawed—rewarding safe couples rather than risk-taking or actual love.
  • They argue for a more “Perfect Match”-style process, where stable couples are sent off early, giving actual romantic intention higher stakes.
  • Quote:

    "It's not that this is a bad season. It's just a bad show, and it's a bad format...They pick not intelligent people." (Claire, 07:38)

  • Discussion of age/maturity gaps and how casting could be improved.

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3. Other Fast 5 Pop Culture Stories

Jelly Roll & Bunny XO Divorce

[34:12–39:17]

• The hosts are genuinely shocked by this celebrity breakup, citing the couple’s “true love against all odds” origin story.
• Their personal/online authenticity made the split feel even more surprising, spurring mass interest.
• Noted that the couple's openness and shared content (podcasts, social) makes the silence and suddenness even more intriguing.
• Quote:

  “This was a true love. It really was. So how did we get here? I have no idea." (Turt, 38:55)

Taylor Swift in the Studio // Joe Alwyn Moves On

[39:24–47:47]

• Taylor Swift spotted in an NYC studio "all night," sparking fan speculation (new album, wedding songs, breakup inspiration?).
• Joe Alwyn seen with actress Sarah Pigeon, triggering conversation about double standards in their previous private relationship.
• Claudia and Jackie theorize that Taylor is likely unbothered, but still riff on the idea of “writing a song about all the things you said but not with me.”
• Commentary on how Travis Kelce’s attitude toward public life with Taylor is such a positive shift.

Ballerina Farm’s Vulture Interview

[53:44–63:03]

• The influencer/entrepreneur gives a rare interview, reiterating that her “tradwife” persona is not performance but authentic life choice.
• Hosts debate why Ballerina Farm draws so much ire—concluding that much of the backlash is projection from viewers’ own insecurities.
• Quote:

  “People are obsessed with her. They put so much emphasis and meaning about feminism and culture and mother and, like, counterculture on her… when she’s just a girl doing what she likes.” (Turt, 55:03)

• Critique of online expectations of full transparency and “having to see people's weaknesses.”

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4. Love Island USA Recap: Recoupling Chaos

[63:31–77:12]

• Recap of the recoupling ceremony—drawn out, highly dramatic, with everyone reading letters and hosts expressing impatience.
• Analysis of villa relationships:
  • Zach/Kate: Perceived dip in interest from Zach; hosts root for Kate to see through him.
  • Kenzie/Corbin: Frustration at Kenzie’s indecisiveness but happy a choice was made.
  • Sincere/Melanie: “Toxic” as ever, pulling others into their drama (especially Soul, who’s used as an emotional pawn).
  • Strong support for Soul and Caleb as favorites (hosts urge everyone to vote for them).
  • Jen’s joy and personal style get special praise.
• Segments include discussion of contestant personalities, fashion, and villa social dynamics.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Amanda letting go after her divorce:

  "I literally threw my whole life away for a feeling." — Amanda (as recalled by Turt, 05:42)

• On Love Island’s format flaws:

  "It's not that this is a bad season. It's just a bad show, and it's a bad format." — Claire (07:38)

• On the power of podcast recaps:

  "To be almost nine years in the game and just have your biggest month ever, like, that's a fudgeing slay." — Turt (04:35)

• On shock of the Jelly Roll/Bunny XO divorce:

  “So how did we get here? I have no idea.” — Turt (38:55)

• On Sierra & Miha's segment:

  “It was very much like losery behavior... Sierra is so elevated now. And the whole thing is like, you're so hung up on this guy Sierra, and he's a loser. And you're better than him, you're prettier than him, you're smarter than him. And it's like here she is still being, like, giddy over, like, taking him down.” — Turt (27:29)

• On Ballerina Farm and the ‘tradwife’ discourse:

  “I think for a while, the opposition was saying, like, she's unhappy. She was forced into this life... There was a lot of that. And that's what I think what the fallout was from that original Sunday Times article. And so now this article is meant to, like, be clarifying that, like, no, no. She's very much in control and. Okay, good.” — Turt (56:27)

• On Taylor Swift not caring about Joe Alwyn:

  “This is like the most romantic, whimsical, fairy tale obsessed girl — telling you she's not thinking about Joe Allen right now. She's writing like a… She might be, like, writing an original song for her wedding." — Claire (45:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening Chitchat & “Summer House” Tease: 00:00–06:36
• Love Island & TV Rot Commentary: 06:36–10:26
• Summer House The Aftermath Recap: 15:47–33:57
• Jelly Roll & Bunny XO Divorce: 34:12–39:19
• Taylor Swift/Studio/Joe Alwyn: 39:24–47:47
• Ballerina Farm Discourse: 53:44–63:03
• Love Island USA Recap: 63:31–77:12

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a vibrant blend of sharp, comedic takes and genuine pop culture analysis. The hosts balance personal reflection, fan-community commentary, and affectionate ribbing of reality TV with deeper threads about relationships, accountability, and internet culture. For “the swirls,” this Wednesday Toast is essential listening for the latest drama—and meta-commentary—on the beloved shows and personalities that power modern brunch-table conversation.

Transcript

[Claire]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Turt]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[Claire]

They sound amazing.

[Turt]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Wednesday. It is hump day. Don't forget to hump someone you love and speak of somebody I love. It's the one, the only, Jacqueline Foley. Let's watch this space and give her a moment to cojourn a Fred, the

[Claire]

day to cojourn on these ones and twos.

[Turt]

Exactly.

[Claire]

Hello, Journalicious definitions make the boys go extremely loco. Loco.

[Turt]

Hey there.

[Claire]

I'm good, thank you. I can't believe it's only Wednesday. Like, Wednesday. What?

[Turt]

I know. There's been, like, so many hours spent watching TV this week, and it. The day has just begun, you know?

[Claire]

And I finished my book last night. I was actually so close. Here's the problem with reading history books, if you want to know on your Kindle, is that there are so many footnotes at the end that actually you only have to get to 60% of the book, and then the book is over. But the whole time I'm like, wait, I'm only at 58.

[Turt]

Right? Right.

[Claire]

I should go to sleep now because I'm not finishing at any time soon. And then last night, I endeavored to finish it, and I had, like, 20 more minutes left.

[Turt]

Yeah, that's.

[Claire]

That's why history is tough for many reasons. Yeah. But I did finish the book. I don't know that I would recommend.

[Turt]

I wouldn't.

[Claire]

It's not swirly. I wouldn't recommend it to the swirls, but it was nice to, like, do something different for myself.

[Turt]

100.

[Claire]

And like, to read something smart. You know, I. I barely read anymore.

[Turt]

We're so in our TV era, and we're watching, like, so much garbage. Brain rot.

[Claire]

I feel like exploring the exploration of exploring.

[Turt]

I, like, feel like. Like, exploring. Like, and I say, like, a lot. So for me to have to acknowledge how bad these people are, nobody says it more than Corbin. Like, it's really a girly thing to say, like, a lot, but Corbin is the worst offender. So we're just watching, like, such disgusting brain rot.

[Claire]

I need to balance it.

[Turt]

Yeah. I need to start reading the encyclopedia or something.

[Claire]

Yeah. I think I'm gonna keep reading as I watch Love island so that my IQ does not drop.

[Turt]

Just. Just to, like.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Balance out the. The rot.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

So, summer house, last night we had our bonus episode Which I'm. I feel like I'm very much in my accountability era, happy to say I was wrong about, because it wasn't. Sometimes they do, like, secrets revealed and they're just like, milking something. No, this was very much. I thought it was going to be like, footage that just, like, was not left on the cutting room floor. And it's like, well, it was on the floor for a reason. Leave it there. No, this was like brand new. And also because Love island is on now, it's like top of mind for me how quickly they turn around the episodes and like, not them literally showing us something from May 27th and it's not even June 27th yet. So it's been less than a month. So you are able to turn around quickly. Like.

[Claire]

Yeah. However, it was like three conversations that were edited. It's not like music and montage and everything.

[Turt]

So. Sorry. I want to say it was really like a podcast.

[Claire]

It was like three podcasts.

[Turt]

I was very happy to be wrong. It was excellent.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

And I feel like the reunion kind of did leave a huge space and gap. And that's what Lindsay was saying, being like, we came here, like, to sort everything out and like, nothing's been sorted out. I have no clarity. And I do think we have more clarity. A couple a little bit more confusion too, after last night's episode. So we will recap the Summer House

[Claire]

stories because that's like the lead story of the day.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Is that episode. And then I guess that's. That's a wrap on Summer House for a little bit.

[Turt]

And while I will miss it, Love island is so time consuming that I need everything else to stop.

[Claire]

I will miss it, but I do need to. We need to send Amanda and West flowers.

[Turt]

Yeah. The numbers are in, you guys.

[Claire]

You know, we've got our numbers for what month was that?

[Turt]

We get eight week lead time. So like eight weeks ago. So. Yeah. What's. It's June yet? April. We had our biggest month of toast ever. Like, in terms of streams downloads, like, there was a lot. Because also our chop. Our top episode was obviously West Mandeval.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

But the Alex Hooper thing was also a top episode. There were a lot of big things that happened in that month. But of course West Mandeval is the

[Claire]

reason West Mandeville is our number one, like, listened to episode of all time. And like, I want to say thank you to them. I know you're going through it. I know you're having a hard time, but thank you for that because I didn't Know that that was happening.

[Turt]

I also want to thank us, like, to be almost nine years in the game and just have your biggest month ever, like, that's a fudgeing slay. Sorry. And, yeah, I know a lot of it was Amanda Petula on her back, but it was us, too.

[Claire]

Yeah. And you could have chosen to listen to anyone's recap of it, and you chose ours.

[Turt]

And I think we will look back on this time as, like, yes. So many people found us through that. We have that where we, like, you know, the Bachelor Nation scandal when they had to close down production. A lot of people were with us, you know, know since then, because they found us through that. So I think Amanda Patula doesn't really realize what she's done for us. And for that, thanks.

[Claire]

Yeah, no, I was, like, making sure I still follow her, because I. I don't. I didn't know if I followed her or not. I'm like, I wouldn't have, like, unfollowed her because of this, but I didn't even know if I follow her, and I did. I'm like, I'm never unfollowing you. Like, you're my queen. Thank you.

[Turt]

You're literally my queen. Like, keep doing what you're doing. Keep being crazy. Thank you so much. West, too. But, like, really, Amanda? Because, like, it's her. Like.

[Claire]

Like, he was always just, like, hated, you know? Yeah, he's hated more than ever. But, like, she. It just. It hurts my heart and my brain to think about, like, what happened.

[Turt]

And she. She also acknowledged it for the first time ever on last night's episode where she was like, I literally threw my whole life away for a feeling. Yeah, we're like, yeah, you did.

[Claire]

No, it actually, like, hurts me to think about.

[Turt]

But now she's back with him. It's kind of like, you know when someone has, like, Alzheimer's or dementia and they, like, temporarily come back and they're like, oh, Sarah. They recognize their own children and stuff, and. And it's like this moment of clarity. It's fleeting, but you get that real connection. That's what that episode felt like, because we know now she's, like, back with him stronger than ever.

[Claire]

But, like, in that episode, did they break up for a second or something? We'll talk about the episode, but I'm very confused because the way she's talking about him, it's either that they're broken up in that moment, or she's going home to break up with him. They've been fighting and thinking about Breaking up. And they're going to break up. And I almost wish we didn't know that they had just been in, like, Rome on this big trip, because the whole time I'm watching this, I'm like, null and void because you two are still together and more serious than ever. Whereas in that conversation, I'm like, are they about to break up?

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Claire]

So we'll discuss. We'll discuss Love Island. We actually have a lot of stories today. You guys will talk about Jelly Roll and Bunny.

[Turt]

Oh, that actually is really crazy. We'll talk about Trash island, new name for the show with these trash bags. I hate them all.

[Claire]

I know it's real, but, like, we're doing this to ourselves. I saw funny comments.

[Turt]

Like, I saw it, too.

[Claire]

That was like. I feel like the only people who are watching Love island are the people who feel like on podcasts, who feel like they have to talk about Love Island.

[Turt]

That.

[Claire]

But they hate Love Island. But they can't not watch because they feel like we want them to watch. But we all, like, hate it and we're not watching.

[Turt]

But also, that's not. I see, like, all the tiktoks of, like, fans being like, this season sucks. This season sucks. But, like, we're all watching it.

[Claire]

No. And also, I was feeling the other week like, nobody's watching, Levi. I feel like we are the only ones watching. And then I saw that their, like, first episode had the highest streaming of, like, any show on. I'm like, okay, everybody. Not everybody. A lot of people are watching.

[Turt]

It's also the number one thing on Peacock, and I feel like everyone's on Peacock right now because that's where the World cup is. So I think they're getting, like, a real global audience. Yeah, it's huge. We have to keep watching.

[Claire]

No, and also, I feel like sometimes people don't watch the first episode, but then everyone's talking about it. So, like, you get into it. But. And I've said this last season, I'll say it this season, and it's no different. It's not that this is a bad season. It's just a bad show, and it's a bad format, and they pick, like, not intelligent people and. And people who are moving, you know, for the sake of making television, but they're also scared, and it's scary. And also, it's like, the show does not reward the things that it should reward. Like, if you are in the same couple for, let's say, six recouplings, you should go get your hideaway for the rest of the trip. That's like on that show that only I watched, Perfect Match on mtv.

[Turt]

Literally the only show. You're the only person that watches.

[Claire]

I'm the only person that watched it. But let me tell you how the show works. You're in a house with a bunch of people. You have to find your perfect match. And every week they send you to the truth booth and did we find the perfect match? And if you found the perfect match, you guys go off into the honeymoon suite and we don't hear from you again. And so I feel like this show should do that so that people who aren't sure about their couple but are playing it safe are sort of forced to come out of it because you don't want to go into retirement over there. But you would do it if you found the love of your life.

[Turt]

Yeah. I think that the show actually is a good format. I think that there are. There's a couple of key elements they need to work on.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

That does reward good behavior. I also think the concept of like hiring 21 year olds old, like, take a note out of the love, love is blind book. Like, they're this uber successful dating show and they take the dating part seriously. Like, everyone there is really wanting to date. Like, I think I would love if they had like, not even like maybe like a 27 year old, like a little bit older, a little bit more mature. And you know what? It shows. That's my king right there.

[Claire]

It does. But also like, they are, I think they're more interested in like the pornography that they're sharing versus the love aspect of the show.

[Turt]

And that's where they lose me. Like, I choose love over porn. Yeah.

[Claire]

And I think back to like last season when like the girls, like eliminated Hannah and Charlie or whatever, like, because. And they, they had the worst reasons. They were like, well, Hannah's already explored, so she should go home. We're like, this person hasn't explored, so they should say, and it's like you guys are making shit up. Meanwhile, like, Sierra, Nick, you should go. You should go to the honeymoon suite because you're boring now and you're in love and you're happy and great. You came. What you, you did what you came here to do. You should still have the opportunity to win the show, but it would keep people on their toes more instead of being so complacent and like, it rewards people to stay in unhappy couples because you get to stay on the show as long as you're in a couple. And that is an issue with the show because someone like Kenzie, who's like taking chances, she's also risking a lot because she could be left with nothing. But she's keeping the show moving.

[Turt]

So let's just dive into the stories because we're sort of like circling the drain on Summer House on Love island and like, it's just a TV recap kind of day. Try being a TV recap for a day. Try. Try it.

[Claire]

So without further ado to do to do, here are the fast five stories that you do need to know.

[Turt]

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[Claire]

Thank you, Turt.

[Turt]

What can I say?

[Claire]

Okay, first story inside Summer House, the Aftermath. So Summerhouse the Aftermath aired last night and it was three conversations between six cast members. We had Amanda chatting With Lindsay at Lindsay's apartment. Then west and Kyle chatting at Kyle and Amanda's former apartment, and then Sierra and Miha.

[Turt]

So I saw Lindsay. I feel like she's getting flack because she was pretty empathetic, and it was kind of. Yeah. I saw her being, like. I saw her being on threads. Of course, honestly, Summer house is going to be the thing to get me to download threads. She was like, this part got cut out. But I told Amanda that, like, if you can't act with integrity, like, you can't be in my life. Because I think maybe she's getting flack for just being, like, a friendly shoulder. And it was kind of refreshing. I feel like Amanda was finally telling us stuff because she wasn't being braided. And she said that was, like, her trauma response in her relationship with Kyle. Like, when she's getting yelled at, she just shuts down. Like, it's so. I think that's what we saw at the reunion. So the fact that, like, there was somebody there who wasn't just, like, out to get her and, like, prove her, like, turn everything she said, it was kind of refreshing. Just have a normal conversation. I'm not mad at Lindsay. She's allowed to be nice.

[Claire]

No.

[Turt]

And I feel like we berated Amanda. It hasn't worked. If we want to get some answers, like, let's try something different.

[Claire]

Lindsay's tone was 100% right. It was actually very impressive how she was able to be warm and tough and mad and nice, and it was exactly, I think, the right conversation. Obviously, Amanda felt comfortable enough. You know, she was on this at the same time, like, making fun of her, but also, like, having, you know, caring for her. And as someone who was your friend once for 10 years, you don't just, like, 100% throw them in the garbage. Like, she is a human being. She's obviously struggling the magnitude. Of course, what she did is so bad. But, like, most people who would do that in their life and, like, sleep with their friends, ex, like, would never have to deal with what Amanda is now dealing with. And it's, like, not a normal human experience. So I thought. Lindsay Stone. I don't know what people are saying. I. I couldn't have written it better myself. And it produced the best conversation of the night.

[Turt]

So, yes, I feel like they went downhill from there.

[Claire]

Oh, yeah.

[Turt]

Of the three conversations, I would say this one was the most relevatory. Like, we learned the most. I feel like I'm still confused, but I have a little bit more clarity on, like, timeline. And stuff.

[Claire]

Yeah, it was hard for Amanda because in that conversation, she's trying to explain how she got to a place of saying yes to dating West. And so at the reunion, if she even tried to say, he makes me so happy, I never felt like. Nobody wants to hear how much you love Wes. No one wants to hear how amazing you, like. So she's stuck between a rock and a hard place at the reunion. So she's not saying anything. And that's why we're not getting into detail. Nobody wanted her to sit there across from Sierra and talk about how Wes likes her so much and all the things he said to her that he never said to Sierra.

[Turt]

So much of her explanation has to do with the fact that, like, she's traumatized from this, like, borderline abusive marriage. And we completely rewrote history at the reunion. Like, Kyle being a bad husband, yelling at her, like, was. We were lying about it. Like, they were all, like, rewriting the whole. So so much of how she got to a place where she could be so stupid has to do with the seven year torture chamber she was in. And the reunion was not a welcoming place to discuss that. Like, it was. It was an inconvenient truth to the rest of the castmates.

[Claire]

Yes. But also, like, if she sat there and said, like, to Sierra's face, her feelings about Wes, all the things that west has said to her that, like, Sarah would have only dreamed that he ever said to her, like, that would have been insane. Rubbing it. It would have been rubbing it in her face so she could say nothing. So this was a much better forum for her to share the details of how we fell in love. So not that we can ever understand it, but we could see how it

[Turt]

happened to the mind of someone. So I will say this first conversation was definitely the best one. Like, I would say a word to describe it, like, revelatory. Like, we were learning things. However, second one was, like, genuinely frustrating and confusing.

[Claire]

Yes. Lindsay and Amanda's conversation, though, like, really made me feel like Lindsay, like, they were about to break up. What happened in that time period, because they are so not broken up.

[Turt]

It would have been. The whole conversation feels pointless and moot because we know that she does continue to date him exclusively. Travel, meet his family. So it's like she felt this way at one point and this point that was, I think, May 20th or May 13th. That's a month ago. So. Oh, great. Glad you felt that way for 10 seconds. But you don't feel that way anymore. So this is kind of Pointless.

[Claire]

And I do feel like what Lindsay was saying in the episode and also in her thread tweet is that as for as long as a man is dating Wes, like, they cannot be friends if you break up with him and you start to course. Correct. Like, then, you know, maybe we could find a path to forgiveness. But, like, you're still doing the thing.

[Turt]

My. I know that what she did is bad. Right, right, right. But like, hearing her explain it and I'm glad she finally got the opportunity to explain it because it doesn't make it less bad. But you could see how somebody so damaged and like, so, yeah, it's like, mean the word Sierra use. But it's true. She's like, very vulnerable and weak. How she could be susceptible to something like this, Like, Sierra was not even a thought in her mind.

[Claire]

Yeah, I think actually a lot of what she said I think exonerated her a little bit. Like how when she was still married to Kyle, up until the day she separated from Kyle, Wes would always invite her around. I think he invites a lot of people.

[Turt]

And she always said screenshots.

[Claire]

We said no. And then after Kyle, she's sitting in her apartment, like, so depressed, and someone invites her to watch a game here or there, and she goes because she should be going to stuff. And west is her friend. And I guess in the way that Lindsay says it, and I don't know us enough to use these words, but this is what Lindsay knows him, that he really manipulated her. He sees this, like, weak, sad, broken person who has no one, apparently. Even though, like, why didn't she call Sierra to go out? I don't know.

[Turt]

Correct. And Sierra was calling her a lot.

[Claire]

Right. And really, like, takes advantage of the situation. But my question is, like, to what end? Like, so in West's perfect world, what happens here? Because there's no way that he dates Amanda and it goes well in his life.

[Turt]

Well, I think maybe he thought he had, like, really successfully hidden this relationship all summer long, that maybe he could hide this one until they got to a place where they could, like, launch it. It was never going to go over amazingly. But if they had, like, really kept it quiet for like six months and then soft launched it, brought it up. There are better ways to have done it. But the thing is, is that he won't even commit to it. So then the next conversation, Kyle is like, do you love her? He can't even say yes. And like, the only way that this could be better, it's never going to be good, is that Amanda, she's sitting on the couch with Lindsay and she says she felt so broken and Wes made her feel this way and it all. And she's not alluding to them breaking up. She's saying, you know, it healed me. And she's saying all good things. And then Kyle's like, do you love her, bro? And Wes is like, yes. And like a romantic person could see, but he won't even say that he loves her. He's like, I said it in her room. You love her. All you guys are weird and touch each other and tell each other that you love each other. That's not what he was asking you.

[Claire]

Yeah, I'm glad that Kyle. I felt like west was sitting down with her dad. That was the energy. Like, what are your intentions with my daughter? Yeah, I was glad that Kyle mentioned that you are inappropriate and the touchiness is inappropriate, but, like, it also needs to be a referendum on the house. He's not the only one doing it. Maybe he's Sierra. Everyone. Everyone is touching inappropriate. Lines have been blurred for a while. Yeah, it was very frustrating. So word salady when he was like, do you love her? And he was like, yeah, I. I mean, I. I told her this summer I love her. I'm like, are you a.

[Turt]

When he said yes, I was like, oh, my God, maybe he is changed. He was like, I mean, I told her in your room. And I was like, what? That was really crazy. He was frustrating the hell out of me.

[Claire]

That was appreciate that was how context you think we are.

[Turt]

I did appreciate the context of who asked who for the conversation, who wanted to film it. And I love that Wes thinks, like, he's still being protected. He obviously got comfortable getting a good edit because he is a bad guy. Like, objectively just a bad guy. And he's gotten this like, darling fun boy edit. So I think he still thinks he has that layer of protection because he's like, you know, and I mean, we'll cut this, but I didn't want. And it's like, well, we're not cutting it, actually. I love that.

[Claire]

Yeah. Yeah. And then they flash back to, like the times that Miha came up, you guys.

[Turt]

So then. Then we transition to the third conversation, which was definitely the low point of the episode. And I feel like this, like, you know, revenge, becoming best friends with the girl behavior is so beneath Sierra.

[Claire]

Like, the whole conversation was so beneath Sierra. And like, I don't know whose decision it was for, like, Sierra's role in that episode to be the conversation with Miha, but that gave Nothing. Sorry.

[Turt]

If they wanted to give, bring in the big guns, like have Sierra sit down with Paige. Yeah, that's what the people want to see.

[Claire]

Or Hannah burner.

[Turt]

Yes. Oh, my God. Wait. Literally, yes.

[Claire]

Yeah. That conversation was actually like, it did actually less than nothing. And I found it to be very negative. Some of the goodwill it negated. It was very much like losery behavior. The way that they were talking, like,

[Turt]

and giggling over mimosas.

[Claire]

And mija coming on the show actually made me think of the situation, like, in a worse way for me. Like, up until the reunion, I thought, like, okay, he has a secret girlfriend. She thinks that she's his girlfriend and like, you know, she's heartbroken, whatever. And then listening to her talk on the couch, how she, like, willingly was a doormat and like, doesn't ask for anything and just, of course he's going to walk all over you. You laid on the ground like a doormat.

[Turt]

Yeah, it was not a good moment for women, if I'm being honest. Like, and even her sitting there, like, she's clearly hung up on him. Like, he's like, I mean, we. She's like, I mean. And he and I, we have to talk mostly over the phone now because of her. Like, it was just corny as hell.

[Claire]

The more we hear and see from Miha, like, the more I think it, like, it, it starts like vindicate west. Like.

[Turt]

No, because let me tell you why one, we needed to hear from her because when they kept bringing her up, I'm like, who cares that he was like, hooking up with this girl? But the timeline, the only thing we actually got a lot of timeline on during the reunion was the fact that he had a full blown girlfriend the entire summer. Like, that's actually crazy. It really speaks to his demonic character. Like, that's insane. Like, you're going on a single guy show. You have a fudgeing girlfriend that you're keeping secret. But also, let us not forget there is a girlfriend. No, no, he keeps saying, I let her think we were exclusive. Like, sorry, what's the difference between exclusive and having a girlfriend? I hate that sort of semantic.

[Claire]

No, but like, he says, and I, I still need clarity on this because he says, like, she thought we were exclusive. And it's like, well, why did she just assume you're exclusive? Because, like, she doesn't see with other people.

[Turt]

And he just couldn't say what he was trying to say to Kyle is that he was cheating on her. That's the word we're looking for. She thought we were exclusive. And like, I was not good about that. Oh, so you.

[Claire]

I was not good about that.

[Turt]

Cheated. Like, he couldn't say the word. So yes, you had a girlfriend you were exclusive with and you cheated on her. Like, these words are not being said. He's so manipulative with, like, his confusing language.

[Claire]

Well, because he never used those words when he was with her. He never. He probably never said exclusive. He probably. That day was like, I'm not, you know, with seeing other people. Cuz like, that day he hadn't seen another person. But like, you know, he just. So at the time, he probably never said, like, we are in an exclusive relationship. Never said relationship, never said girlfriend. And so he thinks that those things, like, make him guy when he goes out and cheats on her. But no, it's like, it's not even about the cheating. You're a bad guy because you won't have that conversation with her.

[Turt]

And so he's wrong for all of that. But, like, there needs to be just like a small conversation had about the woman who willingly was like, kept in the dark setting up furniture for the man who went on the TV show pretending he didn't have a girlfriend. Meanwhile, they do a montage of all the pictures. Not one of those pictures is outside of a bed. He won't even take you outside. He won't even take you to see the sun. Like, that's insane. So it's like we're supposed to be standing this queen, and it's like, Sierra, get away from her. Like, it was such a bad look for everyone. And I just thought it was so beneath Sierra. Like, Sierra is so elevated now. And the whole thing is like, you're so hung up on this guy Sierra, and he's a loser. And you're better than him, you're prettier than him, you're smarter than him. And it's like here she is still being, like, giddy over, like, taking him

[Claire]

down and like, go to Fiji, like,

[Turt]

you're a star now. Get out of here.

[Claire]

Yeah, no, it was bad.

[Turt]

Like, the episode got worse as the conversations went on.

[Claire]

It was bad. And I really think the less we hear about the situation, the more we can imagine, like, how bad it was. And then also when. When he cheated on Miha with Amanda, like, to me, that just again, like, proves the feelings that he had for Amanda. He was. He wouldn't get serious with me because I don't think he, like, liked me when he said to. To Kyle. And finally a honest moment when he was like, she asked me to go home with her for Christmas, and I said, I don't think that we're there yet. But, you know, that's me trying to say, like, I don't like you enough to do those things. And he won't actually say that, but you'll string girls along. And that's why he's a dick, because he'll take everything from them without giving them anything and without even giving them, like, the full honesty and just letting.

[Turt]

There are girls who accept that, right?

[Claire]

There are girls who accept that, letting them wonder. So that's clearly what was happening between the two of them. It's not like he was so worried about filming or he just didn't like her enough to become truly official because there's step out with her.

[Turt]

Couldn't have brought a girlfriend to the house. Why couldn't she go to the house, be a new castmate?

[Claire]

Especially when Ben, halfway through the season, brought a girlfriend. He could have been like, oh, I'm allowed to do that. Great. And done it.

[Turt]

Me too. Yeah.

[Claire]

But no, then. Then Amanda becomes single girl. Then Amanda becomes single, and he goes and cheats on Miha with her because he likes her more. And now he's staying with her.

[Turt]

Right. And so this is like the first time, as far as we know, that he's acknowledged someone, like, publicly as his relationship. And as far as we know, hasn't cheated on her.

[Claire]

I think we would know if he cheated on. As far as we know, hasn't cheated on her since the statement. Because people will be like, he cheated on you in March. And I think March was very fuzzy for them since the statement. I think it's been the two of them. And I think if he cheated on her, the world would know because, like, seriously, everyone is all eyes on them.

[Turt]

And so, yes, coming on the heels of, like, him being fired, it's like, well, yeah, he's the pot sir, but he gives nothing. Amanda finally gave something last night. And you know what? I was like, you know what? I kind of want to see her on in the City and call me crazy, but she looked better. She looked a little bit lighter and happier and like, she. It was just. It wasn't as sad to see her, like, someone so depressed. So I feel like there's a future for her, but if she's with him, I don't know how. Yeah, yeah, they should have had Hannah Burner. Like, that's seriously the best call.

[Claire]

Yeah. Because that conversation, I feel like Sierra is like, you know, the. The main star victim in this Whole situation. Even I know people also, Kyle. And I agree, Kyle, because it's the best friend. But, like, really, it's about, like, Sierra, who's, like, so betrayed and so hurt and such a good friend to him

[Turt]

because Sierra doesn't have one allegation against her. She was never a bad friend, never a bad partner.

[Claire]

She gave everything to us. She gave everything to Amanda. She gave everything to the show. Like, yeah.

[Turt]

Borderline abusive to his wife.

[Claire]

So now come in there and being like, I care about Amanda, it's like, why don't you care about her for

[Turt]

10 years enough to stop yelling at her.

[Claire]

Right. And so for Sierra's conversation to be so low.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And, like, not empowering, not uplifting.

[Turt]

I think she would have been better off not in it.

[Claire]

Yeah. I. I thought it was just. It was weenie. The whole thing. The whole thing was weenie. And it was surprising.

[Turt]

Still give the vibe that she's hung up on him.

[Claire]

Also, we could have had Sierra and Mia.

[Turt]

Yeah, sure. Love Mia.

[Claire]

Yeah. Like anyone else. And do you think Miha is going to be on the show now?

[Turt]

I really hope not.

[Claire]

Like, is that the show we're getting?

[Turt]

Probably. Like, why would. She's just like everyone else. Like, yeah.

[Claire]

And she. They're bringing her into the show. Like, she's miked up and everything. She got a large chunk at the reunion.

[Turt]

Yeah. I hope not.

[Claire]

Yeah. Like, she's there to, like, she shows that, like, Wes is not who he said he was. He lied to the audience for a long time. But, like, as far as, like, her.

[Turt]

And I just want to say that's a worthwhile role. It really speaks to. We thought he was just, like, a boy. No, that's like, an actual bad person. Like, that. Her role is important for that. But, like. Okay, thank you.

[Claire]

Yeah. They are using her, though, also to, like, sort of drive a wedge between, like, west and Amanda. And I'm like, no, no, no. Like, the day Amanda, like, looked at him and was like, okay. Like, he ran.

[Turt]

He ran. Yeah. It's true. So.

[Claire]

So, yeah, I'm glad to know, like, Wes is even worse than we thought he was.

[Turt]

It's true. I. I had a moment watching him sit on the couch, and I. I think it really sunk in for me. Like, it's. You know what it really is? It's the smallest man who ever lived where it's like, you should literally be in jail. Like, the you do is so, like, legit evil.

[Claire]

Yeah. But you won't serve time.

[Turt]

You'll slide into inboxes. And slip through the vines. Bars, whatever the word is.

[Claire]

Yeah, no, that conversation was infuriating to watch. I don't know how all these girls can be in a relationship with him and he can't speak true.

[Turt]

So I don't know what further clarity we will get. Because the big question is, like, Amanda felt this way, but is very much in a full, committed relationship with him.

[Claire]

We need another episode. Just, like dropping combos. They need a podcast. They should all go on Carl's.

[Turt]

Well, you see, Lindsay went on Carl's.

[Claire]

I did.

[Turt]

I watched a bunch of, like, long form clips this morning. A ship. Like, ship.

[Claire]

Carl wasn't in the episode. No. Neither was Jesse.

[Turt]

They're both like, ancillary characters. It was kind of core members only, plus Miha.

[Claire]

Yeah, no, but like, Jesse.

[Turt]

Well, Jesse and Wes, I think are, like, fully on the outs because, you know, he released his timeline last week. Like, I don't think that they're.

[Claire]

Yeah, of course. No, as he. Jesse should be like. I think also 1. He was lied to by his best friend, and then he's realizing, like, his best friend's, like, not like a crazy, demonic liar person. He thought he was. I think he knew he was like, a boy, like, whatever, but, like, of course, but. So is Jesse not a man of integrity?

[Turt]

No, and I think when we think of boy, like, it's a very, like, light term. It's, you know, somebody who hooks up a lot and is, like, non committal. This is so not that that's what Jesse is. He hooks up a lot and he's not committal. West is a demon.

[Claire]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Turt]

Okay, now, the long awaited Bunny xo.

[Claire]

Exactly. I'm. It's number two. Bunny XO and Jelly Roll are getting divorced. Jelly Roll filed for divorce from Bunny xo After nearly 10 years of marriage, citing irreconcilable differences. Source tells People magazine that the two still love each other but are no longer on the same page.

[Turt]

And I want to say I understand why people are freaking out about this.

[Claire]

Okay, please share.

[Turt]

So, first of all, their origin story is insane. Like, long before they were famous, he was like a homeless convict. I want to say drug addict, right? Yeah. She was a Vegas.

[Claire]

She's a sex worker.

[Turt]

Yes, thank you. I put it the People.

[Claire]

Per People magazine, I'm reading about their backstory.

[Turt]

They met. She, like, really helped him get his life together. She helped him get custody of his daughter. She raised his daughter. They are so in love. And yes, he ended up becoming a major star. Losing a lot of weight.

[Claire]

She's a major star too. She has a huge podcast.

[Turt]

She has a huge podcast. She really loved him. Like, because it's easy to love someone who's rich and famous, right?

[Claire]

But like, no, but she was.

[Turt]

When he was on the balls of his ass, she helped him get his first one bedroom apartment. She was paying the rent. Like, she loved this guy. Like, really loved. They have this whirlwind romance, this fairy tale. Like, literally overnight, he is a star. Money like that you can't even imagine. So, so famous divorce, like, it's, it actually is shocking. Especially because their content, her podcast, Instagram, his music is like, all about their love. They're very affectionate. They go to music awards, pda. Like, this is just one of the last people I thought would get divorced.

[Claire]

Also, we had discussed like a few months ago that at some point in the relationship, like, he cheated on her and she forgave him. And that's also a big part of their story. So it's like, what can't they survive? Like, what actually finally came between them when they've been through the hardest things.

[Turt]

They do have like a. A pretty, like, big passionate constituency of haters. And there are a lot of theories about them. Like, that they, that. No, but like, people who make like, long form content, like a documentary about them, People are obsessed with them. I'm not entirely sure what the drama is. There's like drama with their mega church. I don't know. So if you want to go down that rabbit hole, I'm sure you could find, like, some people saying what the reasons are. I don't know. I am sure shocked, like, genuinely surprised.

[Claire]

Yeah, I haven't seen anything as far as reasons his daughter spoke out.

[Turt]

What did she say? Like, literally, Buddy is like her mother.

[Claire]

She said, oh, and one more thing. I'm disgusted at how invested everyone is in a very clearly private family matter. It's fudgeing crazy. Go on somewhere. Y' all worry about your house, not mine. I'm not speaking on it yet.

[Turt]

She's speaking to those constituency of haters, mind you.

[Claire]

Oh, oh, okay. Because I'm like, well, I think it's natural that we're all a little.

[Turt]

She's not talking about us.

[Claire]

You know, it's, it's, it's a ship. I think for a lot of people that was a huge ship because I, I, and I more so know that from all the comments yesterday. I was shocked that people were like, so shocked that we didn't talk about it yesterday when it broke yesterday morning. And yeah, I already had six stories. I'm not gonna lie, that wasn't even the sixth one.

[Turt]

Yeah, I think that it's. Even if you're not like a big

[Claire]

jelly roll or I, that jelly roll is running a 5K. But then I didn't choose the story. That jelly roll is getting divorced from

[Turt]

his wife 10 years. When you chose the 5K story, it was a Friday and it was like a dark time. Like there was not a lot going on. So in your defense. But listen, we're talking about it now.

[Claire]

Yeah, no, no, but I guess, I guess that's kind of crazy. But, you know, there was just a lot going on and I had no idea that they, these two, like had so much.

[Turt]

Yes, they have a lot of support.

[Claire]

Love and support too. Like, I mean, I don't think the people who are commenting yesterday, wanting a tears talk about it were part of the haters at all.

[Turt]

No, no, it's just I think they're

[Claire]

like, they're John Krasinski and Emily Blunt, you know. Yeah.

[Turt]

It's the sheer surprise. Like, I think that is what is catching people off guard because like, I'm sure it was just last week that, you know, she's posting on her Instagram. Like usually you can sniff these things out. People stop posting one another. There was none of that.

[Claire]

They listed the date of separation as May 9 on the divorce filing.

[Turt]

I'm so curious. And you know, she has a big podcast. They share a lot, like parts of yourself that you would like never share. And they're very much open books. I mean, he talks about his time in prison. He did armed robbery, he was a drug addict, she was a sex worker. Like, these are people who, who share. So I'm sure we will find out.

[Claire]

And he filed. Yeah, yeah. Curious.

[Turt]

And people are always. Because if you look at them, she's like sort of this like vava voom blonde bombshell. And up until recently he was this sort of, you know. You know, and so people are always like, she's with him for the money. And it's like, girl, she used to pay his rent. Like, this was a true love. It really was. So how did we get here? I have no idea.

[Claire]

Yeah, True love's dead.

[Turt]

Yeah, it was true love's kiss.

[Claire]

Yeah. Well, we'll keep you posted.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Claire]

If anything further emerges. Are you ready for our next story? Taylor Swift leads a music studio with Haim Sisters. After an all night recording session, Taylor Swift was spotted at a New York City music studio. Electric Electric Lady Yos. Didn't someone get married There. How do you get married at a studio?

[Turt]

Yes. So that's what. It's not confirmed if she was there, you know, because she got there at, like, 6pm and she left at 5 in the morning. So everyone's like, oh, my God, she wrote a whole album.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

And we're all excited about the musical elements of it. And, like, Taylor haters are saying that, like, she saw the pictures of Joe Allwell.

[Claire]

That's our next story.

[Turt]

Or our.

[Claire]

Our double story.

[Turt]

Carolyn Bessette, the actress Sarah Pigeon, was spotted with Joe Alwyn, like, two or three times. And there's paparazzi pictures and them kissing. So he has a new lady, and she's like, kind of it girl. So people think that, like, Taylor's pissed and she went to the studio. When I tell you, I actually.

[Claire]

Worse than. Okay, he's allowed to have a new girlfriend, but, like, he's doing all the things with Sarah that he would never do with Taylor.

[Turt]

Oh, that's true, actually.

[Claire]

That is so worthy.

[Turt]

Yeah. But if I just want to say,

[Claire]

like, it could be called, like I thought you said. And it's like, oh, I like that. All the things you said.

[Turt]

Double standard.

[Claire]

Double standard.

[Turt]

Except that, like, unfortunately.

[Claire]

But not with me.

[Turt]

Oh, I like that. Actually. Unfortunately for Joe Alwyn, like, his relationship, the longest of Taylor's entire dating history, like, seemed to have had, like, the least impact on her musically. Like, we got tortured poets and we were like, oh, Joe Alwyn. Literally, there was one song about him, and it was nice. Like, he's not really a thought for her. Sadly, like, her, you know, situationship. Matty Healy was more inspiring than Joe Alwyn was musically. I actually think that while the timing. Yeah, maybe seems that way, like, unfortunately for Joe, like, she really doesn't care.

[Claire]

Yeah. I think also with, like.

[Turt]

And I'm sure part of her is, like, happy.

[Claire]

There's no. But not with me. Not that's. She's gonna let it rip. Because I understand, like, go have a new girlfriend. That's fine. I'm getting married. But you're doing all the things that you said that you would do, but not with me.

[Turt]

Except what is he doing?

[Claire]

Like, walking down the street, kissing, hands around each other.

[Turt]

When they were kissing, it was like, in a bar or a restaurant. So, like, the paparazzi picture was, like, photographing them from the outside.

[Claire]

Claudia, in six years of a relationship, we never got these photos that we got in three days.

[Turt]

Yeah. Because, like, he can't go anywhere with Taylor. I'm sure he thought they're In Brooklyn,

[Claire]

she walks down the street Taylor.

[Turt]

No, she doesn't.

[Claire]

She could. Like, she with, you know, a team around, him behind.

[Turt]

She does not walk down the street. She goes from the car to the curb.

[Claire]

Right. But like she walks there. But he wouldn't even walk to the curb with her.

[Turt]

Well, he wouldn't walk to the curb with her. That's true. But like, these were like photographed moments. I genuinely think that these photos are like, were taken completely without consent. Like, I don't think he knew the paparazzi was there. Of course, like with Taylor, there's. You can't ignore. It's like hordes of people not saying that he's right. He was so wrong for that. Like, and he made her life so miserable. Like the difference in her now versus her then like her music, Seriously, some of the music is so fudgeing, depressing. It's like, girl, you're a billionaire and you're a skinny and blonde. Like, why are you, you upset?

[Claire]

Go have fun now.

[Turt]

The music reflects like the skinny billionaire blonde that she is.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

So yeah, he was like life ruining in a lot of ways. I'm certainly not taking his side. But this is not the same as dating Taylor. It's just not.

[Claire]

I just. And I don't think. Sorry. I'm sorry. Because even dating Taylor. Look at Travis and Taylor. Look at everything we got about them. They're big, they're larger than life and we get moments from them all the time and they don't care. But Joe Alden cares.

[Turt]

It was him. So it was him.

[Claire]

Doable. Even if, okay, they're not going to walk down the street to go grab a slice with Taylor. But like, you can be spotted in your relationship with Taylor. Travis and Taylor do it all the time and they're having a great time

[Turt]

and it's made her life so much better.

[Claire]

It's so funny. We used to like argue and I would always like, say like, Joe, Owen's like a sweetie pants. And you're like, no, he's not.

[Turt]

He's not. He's the devil now.

[Claire]

I'm like, he's the devil. And you're like, well, well, no, no,

[Turt]

I think that like, what he's.

[Claire]

I.

[Turt]

If he has no haters. I passed away. I give my best to Romeo. Like, I hate him. But him going on a date and being photographed is not the same as like him not wanting to walk red carpets and like, do things. Like with Taylor.

[Claire]

You know, Taylor and Travis do things that are not red carpets.

[Turt]

Yeah, of course. Because that's how it should have been.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Oh, that's how it always should.

[Claire]

Like, even if he didn't want to do red carpets, like, Timothy and Kylie don't do red carpets. And get Timothy and Kylie also to

[Turt]

say, I actually don't think she went to the studio, like, having anything to do with Sarah Pigeon. Like, I think that either a, there was an event of some sorts because they have a lot of parties at Electric lady. The same way she, like, goes to Zero Bond. So staying out till 5am is like, not something Taylor does. Party wise. It's probably something she does. Like, I was up in the studio writing music all night. Not, like I was out drinking all night. So hopefully. And also her outfit, she was wearing jeans. She looked really cute. It was very Midnight's coated. It's more of an outfit you write music in than, like, party.

[Claire]

The Haim sisters are also wearing jeans, flats and sweaters. And she's wearing jeans and, like a collared sweater. So, yeah, I don't think it was a party because if it was, she wouldn't have been out so late. Especially, like weeks before the wedding. But I think, like, maybe the inspiration took over and she's writing bops maybe

[Turt]

about a wedding album, maybe.

[Claire]

Or like, she is writing, but not with me. Or she's writing her love songs for Travis.

[Turt]

I really refuse to believe, like, she's being taken out of her bridal bubble to write a song about Joe Alwyn. For real. She's had two boyfriends since him, like, dead ass.

[Claire]

But every feeling she has since she's a girl, like, she gets down on paper and like.

[Turt]

No, I. And I'm saying I don't even think she has those feelings.

[Claire]

I think.

[Turt]

I think she's getting married her whole life. This is like the most romantic, whimsical, fairy tale obsessed girl telling you she's not thinking about Joe Allen right now. She's writing like a.

[Claire]

She might be, like, writing an original song for her wedding. Like, much like Jesse James Decker.

[Turt]

Oh, an original song for her wedding. Who do you think's gonna perform at her wedding? Ed Sheeran?

[Claire]

Oh, I didn't think about it.

[Turt]

Like, do you think she'll have someone sing her down the aisle? Like Stevie Nicks for sure? No.

[Claire]

I don't know. We talked about this the other week. Like, performers just don't do it for me.

[Turt]

I know, but, like, if you're Taylor Swift, you have like a regular old wedding band.

[Claire]

Yeah, there's nothing more fun than that. I agree.

[Turt]

And there's so many good Ones Manhattan has, like, the best bands.

[Claire]

If I'm Taylor Swift, I could have anyone perform at my wedding

[Turt]

and think of who she's, like, friends with.

[Claire]

Well, I guess I would want, like, whatever my first song is going to be. I would want that live, so.

[Turt]

Well, I guess also, we have to consider Travis's taste in music, too. I think maybe we'll have a Morgan Wallen performance.

[Claire]

Whatever. They're like, what do you think their first song is? And then have the person who sings it come sing it.

[Turt]

Yeah, I think it could be Ed Sheeran. Dead ass. Like, perfect. She's so corny like that.

[Claire]

But then I'd also have Bruno Mars for sure to get the party started. Yeah, I could.

[Turt]

I would actually having, like, Bon Jovi come.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

And do, like, the after party.

[Claire]

No, I would have my wedding band be like, Bruno Mars in the Hooligans. And I'd say, like, I'm sorry, Bruno, but you are working for five hours. Hours straight.

[Turt]

Yes. I will pay your fee of $100 million. I will free you from the shackles of MGM casinos.

[Claire]

Because that would be the most amazing wedding band. Because every wedding band is trying to be like them.

[Turt]

But also, we have to look back historically. Taylor has, as far as I know, like, not one relation. Like, I order a relationship association memory photo. Like, you have to think of who she's friends with and who would. She would ask.

[Claire]

No, I know, but that's what kind of makes it better. Like, I'm just hiring you. Like.

[Turt]

Like, you would never have been invited.

[Claire]

I suppose. Like, Ed Sheerany has to take a break from drinking to go and perform. You know how difficult that was when you.

[Turt]

True. I also think, like, a lot of people will just, like, get up and sing. People who weren't, like, contracted to perform.

[Claire]

Yeah. That was like, my wedding.

[Turt]

Yeah. Everyone just picked up the mic.

[Claire]

Everyone just picked up the mic.

[Turt]

As we should. Like, when you have so many performers, like, that's what we do.

[Claire]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Turt]

Well, that's totally what it's gonna be like.

[Claire]

Hopefully it's new music. And hopefully the Heim sisters were just, like, they're watching and not contributing or collaborating or getting in any meaningful way. Because, like, I really don't like when they make songs together. They're my least favorite songs. Like, what was that one that, like, Fake Murder, Dusty.

[Turt]

Yeah, I actually like that one. But then she also did a song for them called, like, Gas Gaslight or something. It's not my favorite.

[Claire]

Not for me. For me.

[Turt]

Okay.

[Claire]

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[Turt]

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[Claire]

story Ballerina Farm is happy with her choices, reports Vulture. So Vulture sat down with Ballerina Farm at the Farm of Ballerina and conducted a wide ranging interview with her. Of course they touched on yesteryear, you know, the culture, the tradwifery and what the ream is up to.

[Turt]

Like, all the hoopla around, like, the trad wife conversation, which really starts and ends with Ballerina. I'm surprised she did press because I feel like she was so burned by that moronic Sunday Times interview that, like, she doesn't need press. Her company's successful. Like, why do press?

[Claire]

I don't know.

[Turt]

I don't know either. This one was a Q A format and I thought a lot of the questions were really dumb. I think that we put. So she just basically said, like, this is what I do. I like to farm. I like to have babies. None of this is, like, performative. Yes. We made a business out of it. Yes. Maybe some people think it's a lot of kids, but, like, none of this is for any other reason than the fact that, like, it's what I want to do. The fact that it ignites these conversations about parental leave and it's really not

[Claire]

her problem, but what should the government do about parental leave?

[Turt]

So we're asking her those questions and it's like, objection.

[Claire]

Relevance.

[Turt]

Like, no, it's not that it's irrelevant. It's like, why is it on her?

[Claire]

Her? No, I. I really don't know.

[Turt]

People are obsessed with her. They put so much emphasis and meaning about feminism and culture and mother and like, counterculture on her. They put even yesteryear was obviously about her. Like, people. They put it all on her and it's like, she's just a girl. Like, that's literally what the interview was like. I'm just a girl doing what I like.

[Claire]

No, what I don't understand is, like, what's. What's the big deal? What's the big deal? I mean, I understand why I love Ballerina Farm. I think her content's amazing. I think she's so inspiring. Like, she's literally superwoman and she's better than all of us and, like, we could only aspire to. And I know she only, like, puts out the best bits and bobs, but still, like, you're running like a huge business. You have nine children. You're homeschooling them. Like, you are doing the most. So I think that's amazing. But, like, what's the big fucking deal with everyone else just being. Is it trad wife or not?

[Turt]

Like, yeah, what is it for women.

[Claire]

Is she setting women back?

[Turt]

She.

[Claire]

She's a business owner and a huge one at that. Like, she. I don't get the big deal. Like, what is she doing that is so offensive to people other than, like, enjoying and living and loving her life and her family? Even the title ballerina farm is happy with her choices. Was that a question?

[Turt]

It's so condescending.

[Claire]

Was that a qu. Why would she not be happy with her choices? It's like, she has children. She obviously loves it so much. She had nine of them. That's not someone who's unhappy with her choice to be a mother.

[Turt]

Yeah, I think for a while, the peop. The opposition was saying, like, she's unhappy. She was forced into this life. Her husband stalked her. He makes her have children. Like, there was a lot of that. And that's what I think what the fallout was from that original Sunday Times article. And so now this article is meant to, like, be clarifying that, like, no, no. She's very much in control and. Okay, good. I think a lot of her detractors say that, like, she sets women back because she's is very domestic and that her domesticity has turned into a business. So it's like she's encouraging other women to be domestic and, like, you know, sort of defer to their man for the more traditional roles, while she herself is quite traditional. It's like, she's not saying any of this. You're all interpreting it in a way that is convenient for the argument that you're making when her. What she said. She's like, I'm literally just over here doing my thing. Like, I'm literally. You interpreting it to mean this. And you. That's really more of a reflection on you.

[Claire]

I think the only reason why she's bad for women is because she makes. Makes the rest of us look bad. Look, no, no, we're not doing enough. Because we could, if we wanted to

[Turt]

have, like, a valid criticism of her. Like, for me, because I'm not, like, inspired by anything she does. She doesn't like. I mean, it's obviously inspirational, but, like, she doesn't make me want to dress like her, eat like her, cook like her, live like her. It's fun to watch. It really is. Like, it's very interesting for me to watch. I think that one could say she sets a high standard.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Which is not a bad thing.

[Claire]

We're saying the same thing. The bar is high. She shows the world what a woman is capable of. And so those of us who are not Doing all that? Yeah.

[Turt]

I think a lot of times, like,

[Claire]

obsessed with, like, like, sort of catching her. Like, well, what can't you do? And then she has to be like, well, I don't like doing laundry. And I'm actually, like, not that tidy. It's like, why do we have to know her weaknesses? Like, why can't we just, like, support her strengths and, like, think that's awesome? Like, no, we have to know that the kish has dishes in the sink. Like, I don't need to know that. I think a lot of in the sink.

[Turt]

I think this is not just about ballerina front, but, like, just in general. When we comment on other mostly women's life, lifestyle, culture, like, it's more often than not a reflection on the person who's commenting. Like, for me, like, I'm very secure in my life. Like, I know I'm a good wife. I know I'm a good mom. I know I'm a good business owner. Like, I don't need to look to influencers or content creators to make me feel good or bad about it. And I think as a culture, so much of our, like, issues where we, like, disagree on stuff is because, like, we're looking to celebrities, influencers like to be role models and to help us feel good about our own lives. And it's like, we wouldn't be having these conversations if everybody was just, like, happy with where they're at. People aren't. So they blame it on Ballerina Farm

[Claire]

and this idea that, like, if you share your life and the highlights of it. Because I don't want to see your dishes in the sink. Like, genuinely, when I watch comfort creators and they, like, go about their morning and they start unloading the dishwasher every single time I turn it off. I don't want to see you unloading your dishwasher. I don't.

[Turt]

That's funny.

[Claire]

I don't want to do the dish content. I like. I disagree. I like, if you're gonna do.

[Turt]

Don't just show me the dishes. If you're gonna do them, that makes me feel good. It's like, I feel like I did the dishes. I like seeing people, like, complete tasks.

[Claire]

I like to complete tasks. I'm. I don't want to see you doing your dishes. I. That is not.

[Turt]

I like when Emily Kaiser does it. When she, like, loads it unloads. I like it.

[Claire]

Oh, make it quick. I want to see it. She does do it like a sn nap and. And. But don't lose me in the dishwasher. But it's like this idea that because you share your life, you obviously shared all the good parts. It's like, well, we're all entitled to know the other parts. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. This is social media. That's not how that works. I'm showing you the best and the pargiest. I'm. I don't owe you anything. I don't owe you seeing the things that I didn't do or the things that I outsource. Just look at what I'm showing you. Like, it's so weird that people feel like, oh, well, you have to show us all of this.

[Turt]

Well, I think that that goes back to like, those people being insecure so it would make them feel better to know that she had someone do her dishes. And it's like when you're outsourcing your, like, self assuredness to an influencer like that, the problem is not the influencer, the problem is you. Yeah, that's how I feel also about, like beauty standards. Like, it's how I feel about like so much Internet culture actually. Like, like when we have these big conversations that it's always like we're blaming women for not showing enough and sharing too much and getting plastic surgery or not getting plastic surgery. Well, it's like, well, if you were just happy with yourself, like, you wouldn't have a problem with what Khloe Kardashian's doing.

[Claire]

No.

[Turt]

So let's focus on self love. Actually, I think that's like what we should all be writing articles about.

[Claire]

Yeah. So I think, like, everyone is really out of control. I guess this book yesterday or is

[Turt]

really resurgence of the ballerina conversation.

[Claire]

And the book is insane. The book is insane. If you guys want to hear about the book and how insane it is, like, listen to the redheads. Because you don't have to have to read if you're not gonna read the book. Like, just listen to the episode. You'll understand. Like, the plot of the book is insane. The main character who's based on Ballerina is the most insane individual that you've ever. Like an actual crazy psychopath child. I think abusing psychopath.

[Turt]

What's so upsetting to people about Ballerina Farm is like, she really walks the walk and talks the talk. Like you go, she doesn't have a tv. She doesn't. Like, if you went to her house and she did, she let that into her house.

[Claire]

Like secret lives. And you are really like dominating pop culture right now. Like, what do you think it.

[Turt]

She doesn't even know what pop culture is.

[Claire]

Like, she's like, I don't watch tv, so I'm not really the one to ask about pop culture.

[Turt]

So that's the frustrating part. I think people are really looking for Gotcha. Look, she has a. A media room.

[Claire]

Like, let me tell you, if she did, I wouldn't care.

[Turt]

Yeah, but that's because you have. Are happy in your own life.

[Claire]

I know, I know. And I'm like, sound of mine. I just like, there's nothing like, she makes nice content. She makes it actually great products. She's helping people get nice food, showing them how to present to their families. I have her starter, my starter.

[Turt]

And I just want to say I have none of her products. And I'm like, I get them in PR and I give them away. Like, I'm not her target consumer. I just don't care. Like, normalize. Like just looking at look like, I know when you're like an Internet person, like, the job is to like get people to comment. But like, seriously, people get so deranged when it comes to her, and it's because she's the real deal.

[Claire]

Yeah, but even if she wasn't, even if what she's showing us is just what she's showing us and there's all this other behind the scenes, I don't care. Yeah, but also, like, I. I do believe, but not that it would matter. I do believe that, like, that's who she is. She puts up the phone and films, of course. She like edits it and puts on nice lighting and then leaves her dishes for someone else to clean. Yeah, like, duh.

[Turt]

She has nine kids, gets normalized using discernment on social media and not like, you know, demanding the most highest level of transparency. Why don't you just use your brain?

[Claire]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm shocked that she sat for another article. This one was obviously like a little bit friendlier and just sort of like, let her speak her mind. But I. I was. I wonder why she did it. Like, what she needs out of it. And like, yeah, why she would do it again after being burned so bad even if she needed something from the media. Like, why would you go back? Yeah, I don't know. Are you ready for our fifth and final Social Violin TV recap?

[Turt]

Yes.

[Claire]

LA Use Season 8 Episode 13 Recoupling Shakes the Villa.

[Turt]

Yes, it did. And I wanted to shake the villa. Every. Like, I knew it was hap. First of all, the pace of that recoupling ceremony where every person had to read their letter, not only that after the letter, Ariana, how does that make you feel? How do you feel reading that, Corbin? Like, it was. It was half the episode. It was so slow. And I was, like, wanting to zoom through people's reading, but I don't know if it was going to be important. Like, it was 40. It was so long.

[Claire]

I didn't fast forward through the readings, but, like, it was.

[Turt]

I only needed the last three couples, of course.

[Claire]

And some of them, like, I did want to hear what they had to say to each other. Like, I did want to hear what Zach had to say to Kate. I. Because I feel like sometimes they edit him and he is.

[Turt]

He's bad news.

[Claire]

Bad. But sometimes I feel like he also gets an edit where they're trying to, like, create tension between them. So I'm like, what in his own words does he say to her? And honestly, I don't even remember.

[Turt]

So the first two. And the first two couples were Trinity and Bryce, I am obsessed with. But Trinity is a part of, like, the mean girl group. And it's like. It's. It's like, kind of one of her flaws. I need her to jump ship. And Gabriel and Jen, I love them. I know I'm not supposed to. I love them so much. They're like. It's literally the definition of matching someone's freak. Like, they are perfect for one another. And their letters were, like, actually cute. The whole Portuguese thing. Obsessed.

[Claire]

They were so cute. There's very obsessed with each other. I think that Kada was shook that her and Zach didn't read their letters first because it goes in order of, like, the most obvious answer. Because at the end, we'll get the drama. So why wouldn't Zach and Katie go first? They just came from the hideaway. I think that, like, shook her a little bit that there was.

[Turt]

I need something to shake her. She's pissing me off. What happened to the girl who came in? She was, like, so cutting in the beginning. Like, she was, like, very stoic. What happened to her? She's, like, giddy as hell. She doesn't even realize that the guy across from her doesn't like her.

[Claire]

Doesn't like her as much as she likes him.

[Turt]

No. And I think he's liking her. He's, like, the definition of, like. Like, literally having sex with somebody and losing interest. Like, he could not be more stereotypical boy. And she doesn't even see it happening right before her eyes.

[Claire]

Yeah. I need bombshells immediately. Like, of course for Caleb. Of course for Soul. I hope Sol and Caleb, like, fall in love.

[Turt]

Well, guys, just. Just to, like, make sure, we all voted for Caleb and Soul as our favorite couple, Right?

[Claire]

Like, I told you, you had to.

[Turt]

People who have not said one word to each other.

[Claire]

I told you, you have to.

[Turt]

We all voted for Caleb and Soul.

[Claire]

Who did?

[Turt]

Right? Right. Please tell me. We all voted for Caleb and Soul.

[Claire]

Who is, like, the streets voting for. I don't know.

[Turt]

By the way, we all voted for

[Claire]

Caleb and Soul, you guys, because, like, none of you actually voted for a couple. They all stink. Because actually, Jen and Gabriel are cute, but.

[Turt]

Oh, sorry. I would have also voted for People don't like them because they are freaky. They're difficult to understand. I get it. Like, I. I might not understand it.

[Claire]

Here's one. He voted for Soul and Gay.

[Turt]

Good God.

[Claire]

And that has, like, 9, 000 likes.

[Turt]

Yeah, of course. Like, we. And I just. I need some. I think these people in the villa have no idea how poorly they're being received, so they keep acting like how they think they should, and I need them to find out, like, we don't like them.

[Claire]

Yes.

[Turt]

The thing is, like, I wanted to, like, slap Kenzie because it's like, girl, Caleb, but you. I can't be mad at her for how she feels. Like, she hasn't done anything that crazy. And I honestly, like, should have been honest about the kiss with Corbin. Whatever.

[Claire]

She got away for not liking who

[Turt]

I wanted her to.

[Claire]

Like, I want to see what happens next with her and Corbin, like, if the feelings are true and deep or they're just gonna, like, have sex and then, like, move on from each other, because I do think they're just horny for each other, but I am going to. Yeah, she made a choice. I'm glad she had to make a choice because it was getting really annoying, like, her crying over the two of them when both of them just, like, like her.

[Turt]

And it was time for a recoupling.

[Claire]

Yeah. And I'm glad, like, everybody had agency, because it's like, Corbin, who do you choose if given the choice? But if only Kenzie had to choose, we wouldn't know. I'm glad that everybody had agency to do what they wanted. Same with Melanie. Same with Cecir. Hold them accountable. Of course. They were always going back to each other, like, seriously sincere.

[Turt]

So, yeah, it's clear now that, like, Soul was very much just a pawn in the toxic cycle of sincere and Melanie, like, they were always gonna choose each other. They needed these ancillary characters like Corbin, but it was very inconvenient because Corbin wasn't into Melanie. Soul wasn't too sincere, so she was, like, an effective pawn. Like, they are so toxic. They are awful. They are bad. And Soul was just sort of collateral, and it was. It was genuinely heartbreaking to watch. But she said, I saw it coming.

[Claire]

Like, yeah, I'm glad she saw. She. So is my woman's intuition.

[Turt]

Yeah. I love her. She looked so good too. I love her.

[Claire]

Yeah. And when she saw, like, Melanie whispering to Kayda.

[Turt]

Pinky promise.

[Claire]

So stupid.

[Turt]

Mean girl.

[Claire]

Mean girl.

[Turt]

And now I feel bad because, like, the other side. Sorry. No, Soul didn't go home. I thought she was going home, and I was like.

[Claire]

Because she's, like, not in a strong couple. But I do hope everyone voted for her.

[Turt]

They need to send in a Jalen for Saul.

[Claire]

They need to send in someone for Caleb, too. Like, what, a man elevator? No. And also, just, like, so tunnel vision. He got his heart broken. He really, like, liked this girl, and he's operating like Jalen. He came in for Kenzie. He did not turn his head. Maybe now, like, they can send someone honestly and give them a chance.

[Turt]

He sounds like he'd be a good match with Anaya. I don't know if they've said one

[Claire]

word in this joke on. On Twitter where it's like, someone saw in the background of a random scene that the two of them were talking to each other, and they were like, these two know each other.

[Turt]

Yeah. No, it's like they're on different shows, first of all. Yeah, but wait, I ship.

[Claire]

Yeah. No, there's, like, people. I think now production will start to show more. Okay. Of them. Also, production is telling the contestants what people are saying about them because they're making all these jokes about Corbin being a robot rebooting.

[Turt]

People think that Zach specifically, like, got Internet access because some islanders, like, from past seasons have said if you go to, like, certain parts of the villa like, that a phone that they give you, like, will give you Internet. And it's possible because Zach is feeding in. So it's either, like, yes, the editors are cutting to more moments like that, but he knows what to say.

[Claire]

Yeah, maybe. Or they're telling them, like, oh, people love your friendship with Bryce. Play it up. People think Corbin's a robot. Play it up. I think they're. They're telling them sort of these jokes

[Turt]

that are happening when I thought that either Caleb or Soul were gonna get eliminated, either one or the other or both. Like, I was so devastated, and I love how they wrapped it up Just being, like, love, love with, you know, honoring that producer who had passed away. Like, I felt really good about it. It was a nice way to end their recoupling. And I hope that. That people come for Caleb and Soul. I really do.

[Claire]

Yeah, it was. And I also hope people come to destabilize some of these, like, fake couples who are staying together and playing it safe.

[Turt]

Anaya Casey.

[Claire]

Anaya Casey. And also to test Zach. She's not fake, but he needs to be tested. He needs to be tested, and she needs to see that he has a wandering eye.

[Turt]

And at this point, like, Sincere and Melanie are so perfect for each other. I just hope they can stop taking other people down with them. They want to be toxic. They sure. Whatever. Have fun. Leave Soul out of it.

[Claire]

No. And I hope that we don't, like, have to hear so many of their conversations, because it's, like, not. They're not fun to watch. I don't mind.

[Turt]

Melanie was being corny as hell. A sour patch cake. Yeah. It was, like, one big sour. She was, like, literally putting on such an act.

[Claire]

She was just, like, literally about to text you, and. And Ariana's, like, sour patch cake.

[Turt]

Yeah. No, no. And, like, she was putting on a full performance. Like, like, yeah.

[Claire]

I just, like, go. Do I really want to hear from you guys about your relationship? Like, Melanie and the girl she actually, like, gives to the villa in terms of, like, girl drama and whatnot. But, like, I don't want to hear you talk about your relationship anymore. I'm all set.

[Turt]

I wonder if, now that the Corbin thing is settled, if Kenzie would, like, become friends with Melanie again. Like, she really left the OG Villagers group and, like, started this new girl gang. And I think it had to do with Corbin. Right?

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Turt]

I wish they would tell us more about that. Like, what's going on with the girls?

[Claire]

Yeah. No, because it's really four and three.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And now it was five and two. Because when Kada and Trinity sat down Gabriel to ask him about Jen, it's

[Turt]

like, you don't actually care because you haven't said one word to Jen.

[Claire]

I don't think it was well intended.

[Turt]

And it's funny. No one is having a better time on this show than Ms. Jenkins. She was a bombshell. She got snatched up immediately by literally the hottest guy in the villa who is obsessed with her. She's made best friends her life with, like, Soul and Kenzie, and then Soul's over there, like, having the time, like, literally the polar opposite. The worst time.

[Claire]

She had, like, Two good days.

[Turt]

She did. It's better now. It's better. I think she's gotten adjusted. But, like, I'm just like, Jen is having a blast.

[Claire]

I need Sol and Caleb to really try and fall in love. And, like, what if they two of them, like, stayed a couple and then stayed around?

[Turt]

You know, I'm so down. I. I could see her eating him alive, but I'm down.

[Claire]

No, I think he's man enough.

[Turt]

I don't know. That's sort of what Kenzie was saying without saying it. Like, Corbin is very, like, alpha, and I think that she was hoping a little bit more of that energy from Caleb, but he's, like, soft spoken in sweet and Southern.

[Claire]

She got that from Caleb. He'd start yelling at her that she's, like, throwing it in a circle for Corbin. Oh, wait, like, she doesn't actually want to be held accountable by Kayla because he's letting you do whatever she wants.

[Turt]

You texted me this, and I was thinking it too. She was kind of being a know it all on last night's episode, like, correcting everyone about, like, random facts. Like, I'm a nurse.

[Claire]

No. Like, her personality got, like, confrontational.

[Turt]

I don't want to be so reductive.

[Claire]

Like, maybe she's on her period.

[Turt]

Totally. But she was wearing the tiniest little thong bathing suit with her thighs up in the air. She would never.

[Claire]

I know, but, like, at some point they're gonna go on. Actually, maybe not. Maybe they'll, like, skip a site.

[Turt]

Maybe skip the pie. The. Yeah, right.

[Claire]

Skip a period. The blue pill of island. It's only, like, one period you would have to miss.

[Turt]

And if you have long cycles and depending on when you got home, it

[Claire]

could be zero because, like, how are you running around, like, with your tushy out and the tampon string and nobody

[Turt]

wears full coverage bathing suits. I guess that's, like, not a thing anymore that we wear bathing suits that, like, cover our butt cheeks. It's butt cheeks out. And that's, like, exactly where your string would hang. And like, God forbid any of them wears a pad.

[Claire]

No.

[Turt]

Oh, and you're sleeping in a bed with a new partner and totally white sheets.

[Claire]

They're skipping their periods 1,000%. Yeah, but yeah, her personality just, like, changed. She was just, like, being like, like 10. No.

[Turt]

And it's like, you don't know what white noise is. She was being, like, a little condescending.

[Claire]

Yeah. And the 2030, 2013. And who was right at the end of the day?

[Turt]

I think she was like, 2030. Is better than 2013.

[Claire]

Hold on.

[Turt]

We should ask Corbin GBT.

[Claire]

Yeah, someone had just there. Okay. Corbin GBT. What vision is better? Question mark. 2030 or 2013?

[Turt]

Imagine she's wrong.

[Claire]

2013 vision is better than 2020. 2030 vision is worse than 2020.

[Turt]

Oh, my God. So Caleb was right. He had 2013.

[Claire]

Yeah. 2013 is greater than 2020, which is greater than 2030.

[Turt]

Ah, okay. She needs to go back to nursing school. Yeah. She was just, like, maybe she didn't sleep good. She was, like, being a to everyone.

[Claire]

Yeah. She just, like, was trying to fight.

[Turt]

Yeah. Like, about, like, she was, like, like, searching for an argument and like, no one was taking the bait.

[Claire]

Yeah. But you know what? I'm glad for, like, the Villa reset. I think we will get.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Oh, we're gonna. Next is gonna be, like, least pop. So what they're gonna do is you voted for your favorite couple. So the three worst, least favorite, which. That's not your least favorite couple, because that's just.

[Turt]

It's a manipulative way.

[Claire]

That's just people who got the least amount of votes for most favorite, but that doesn't make them least favorite. So it's gonna be like, Zach and Brett. I mean, Trinity and Bryce. You know what I mean? Actually, yeah, they might be people's favorite.

[Turt]

It was a good episode for them. They were the first ones to do the letters. The letters were really sweet. I feel like they actually really. I was like, a doubter, but I actually think they really like each other.

[Claire]

Yeah, I think so too.

[Turt]

And is he getting better looking?

[Claire]

Yes, because he's keeping, like, his hair back.

[Turt]

His hair out of his face every.

[Claire]

By the way, everybody is getting better looking. Because in the beginning of the show, I thought I didn't really find, like, a lot of the cast that attractive. And now everyone's, like, looking really good.

[Turt]

I thought the same thing because Melanie looked insane last night. And I'm like, you know what? Everyone looks good with the tan.

[Claire]

Yeah. Melanie was always very beautiful. Of course. I think Kenzie gotten better looking.

[Turt]

Me too.

[Claire]

I think. Yeah. Everyone is. Has stepped it up. So I think what will happen is the bottom two couples of villagers who got the least amount of votes, like, they're gonna have to eliminate a couple. Like, they'll have to turn on each other.

[Turt]

Did you think it was weird that Jen wore the same exact outfit that Kenzie had worn, like, the next day? No, I didn't know the necklace and the. And the, like, boob cheetah print dress.

[Claire]

Oh, I didn't notice. No, I saw the necklace but just because people were talking about the necklace but I didn't notice the dress. I actually never. They all wear the clothes so differently

[Turt]

and they all at some point in the season like start swapping outfits.

[Claire]

Yeah, but I really don't remember. They also, I like that the show, a lot of them have like very distinct personal style and it's not just like they ordered everything from Revolver and everyone's like wearing the same basic stuff like Trinity and the boots, like Slay and the gloves.

[Turt]

How many suitcases did Trinity bring? She has like eight pairs of the biggest boots I've ever seen.

[Claire]

I remember Sierra last season too had just like very interesting personal style. It's like not basic and it's, it's just fun to watch.

[Turt]

It's a fun, it's a fun element.

[Claire]

They also all have like amazing body. So it's like a cool fashion show.

[Turt]

That's your life happen. That is your episode of nalafi. Thank you so much for listening to the Tesla Monday morning show. We deliver the fastest racing each and every Monday through Friday and YouTube's ever watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe because video thumbs up are also available as podcasts to be found. So Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube wherever you listen to podcast fasterly. A five star review about a beautiful setting and weekly talented. We are happy guys. An amazing day and we'll see you tomorrow.

[Claire]

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