The Absurdity of Actors: Tuesday, November 12th, 2024

Summary

The Toast Podcast Summary

Title: The Absurdity of Actors
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Air Date: Tuesday, November 12th, 2024

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1. Veterans Day and Cultural Reflections

The episode opens with Jackie and Claudia reflecting on Veterans Day, expressing disappointment over its lack of recognition and cultural appreciation.

• Claudia: “[00:55] ... Veterans Day doesn't get, like, the hype... it’s a fraudulent bank holiday.”
• Jackie: “[01:26] ... we have to lead by example. For that, we apologize.”

They discuss the general neglect of Veterans Day in societal consciousness and the lack of acknowledgment on their show, ultimately apologizing to veterans for the oversight.

2. Announcement of New Merchandise

Transitioning from serious discussions, Jackie and Claudia enthusiastically announce their new merch collection, highlighting the launch of cardigans and girly tees.

• Claudia: “[04:04] ... the Toast Merch Pargie Fall 2024 collection which drops tomorrow at 10:00 am Eastern Time.”
• Jackie: “[04:48] ... it runs true to size, but it's a fitted shirt which is really not too snug.”

They provide detailed descriptions of the merchandise, emphasizing quality and style, and encourage listeners to visit their merch site early to secure their favorite items.

3. Thanksgiving Plans and Reflections

The hosts share their excitement for the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday, discussing their gratitude and the importance of taking time off.

• Claudia: “[21:42] ... Thanksgiving is such a great holiday... It’s always on a Thursday, making it a perfect long weekend.”
• Jackie: “[21:12] ... We're thankful we...”

They highlight the benefits of the holiday weekend, emphasizing relaxation and family time, while also teasing an upcoming episode featuring a dream guest.

4. Celebrity News and Discussions

a. Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly

Jackie and Claudia discuss the news of Megan Fox’s pregnancy with Machine Gun Kelly’s baby, noting the milestone in their on-and-off relationship.

• Jackie: “[27:16] ... it’s a very big milestone. She posted a very Megan MGK style pregnancy announcement.”
• Claudia: “[29:13] ... That is big news because they're a big slip couple.”

They critically analyze Megan’s unique pregnancy announcement aesthetic, balancing their admiration with honest critiques.

b. Kiki Palmer’s Memoir and SNL Incident

The hosts delve into revelations from Kiki Palmer’s upcoming memoir, focusing on her experiences on “Scream Queens” and interactions with Ryan Murphy and a cast member named Brenda.

• Claudia: “[33:27] ... Kiki Palmer shares anecdotes about Ryan Murphy calling her unprofessional.”
• Jackie: “[36:11] ... All roads do point to Lea Michelle, but, yeah, I guess you can.”

They discuss the impact of these experiences on Palmer’s career and reflect on the challenges actors face on set, especially when dealing with difficult personalities.

c. Timothy Chalamet and Method Acting

A significant portion of the episode critiques method acting, using Timothy Chalamet’s approach to his Bob Dylan biopic as a case study.

• Jackie: “[50:07] ... He realized he didn’t need to imitate Bob Dylan’s lifestyle because it wasn't authentic to his portrayal.”
• Claudia: “[53:18] ... It’s absurd. It’s beyond diluted.”

They argue that excessive immersion into a role can be detrimental, sharing their disdain for actors who take method acting to extreme levels, citing examples like Daniel Day-Lewis and Christian Bale.

d. Sexiest Man Alive Confusion

There’s a lighthearted confusion about the announcement of the “Sexiest Man Alive,” revealing a mix-up between main titles and subsidiary categories.

• Claudia: “[27:06] ... They announced it? No. Do you see who it was?”
• Jackie: “[28:17] ... I saw what you saw, but that was a little misleading.”

The hosts express relief that the intended title hasn't been prematurely announced and speculate on potential recipients like Glenn Powell.

5. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Events

As the episode nears its end, Jackie and Claudia recap their favorite stories, express gratitude towards their listeners, and remind them of their upcoming merch drop.

• Jackie: “[66:22] ... We'll be live tomorrow with the merch collection. Something for everyone.”
• Claudia: “[66:47] ... Thank you so much for listening to The Toast.”

They encourage listeners to subscribe, follow them on social media, and stay tuned for future episodes featuring exciting guests and content.

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Notable Quotes

• Claudia Oshry: “[00:10] Oh, my God. That's like such a good life motto. Like, bitch, it is what it is. Stop complaining.”
• Jackie Oshry: “[04:48] ... it runs true to size, but it's a fitted shirt which is really not too snug.”
• Claudia Oshry: “[21:42] ... Thanksgiving is such a great holiday... It’s always on a Thursday, making it a perfect long weekend.”
• Jackie Oshry: “[27:16] ... it’s a very big milestone. She posted a very Megan MGK style pregnancy announcement.”
• Claudia Oshry: “[53:18] ... It’s absurd. It’s beyond diluted.”

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Toast, Jackie and Claudia Oshry navigate a mix of cultural reflections, personal milestones, and candid celebrity critiques. From addressing the overlooked significance of Veterans Day to launching their trendy merch line, and dissecting celebrity news with honesty and humor, the hosts provide an engaging and relatable listening experience. Their discussions on method acting and the dynamics of celebrity relationships offer insightful commentary, making the episode both entertaining and thought-provoking for listeners.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, millennials.

[B]

Welcome back to the toast and Happy Tuesday.

[A]

It is what it is.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's like such a good life motto. Like, bitch, it is what it is. Stop complaining.

[A]

It is what it is. Could be better, of course. Could be Friday, it could be weekend, but it also could be worse. We made it through Monday on what is a very meaty week. I feel like we've just been having, like, we've been raw dogging five days.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what's going to get us to earn, like, Thanksgiving and Christmas. But, like, let's get. Oh, we also need to give ourselves a pat on the back.

[B]

Oh, what did we do today?

[A]

Because yesterday was a bank holiday and we didn't take off. I don't know. We're like, not those girls anymore.

[B]

Speak for yourself. We are certainly those girls. And I actually just was making the 2025 calendar and I took off every single. And it actually.

[A]

You took off Veterans Day?

[B]

I didn't take off Veterans Day for next year and I didn't realize that. We also didn't take it off this year. And it's actually disgusting. Like, Veterans Day doesn't get, like, the hype. No, no. Banks are closed. Like, it's kind of a fraudulent bank holiday. I wouldn't say it's equal to, like, a Memorial Day or Columbus Day. Like, it kind of gets shafted. And I think that's maybe a stunning indictment of the culture and how we perceive our veterans. Because even us, like, we're such patriotic swirlies. We didn't take it off. Nobody did. Like, yesterday was not. I didn't even see graphics going around on Instagram. Okay.

[A]

I know I didn't see the usual amount. And we didn't even. Not did we not take off. We didn't even mention on the show yesterday. And then after the show, I was like, oh, you should like to, like, give a shout out to our veterans. Like, hey, thanks for the freedom.

[B]

Thanks for. We have so many swirlies. Active military swirlies, veteran swirlies. It was disgusting of us. Like, and to be honest, I actually don't even blame us. I blame the fact, like, when you're walking around on a regular bank holiday, like, it's unavoidable. The graphics are everywhere on social media. Like, the way I found out it was Veterans day at, like, 5pm yesterday. I just think that really speaks to the lack of respect our culture has for veterans.

[A]

I think also you and I were just really disoriented from, like, the time and place yesterday because we Also didn't mention that it was 11:11, which is a big day if you're into that sort of thing.

[B]

I mean, if you're into that sort of thing. Also if you're like a pop culture fiend, you know, that's also Kim Beerman and Kroy Beerman's wedding anniversary, and she literally got engaged and planned a wedding in, like, three weeks just so she could get married on 11 11. I think it was in 2011, too.

[A]

So that's really beautiful. We didn't know any of this. I just. I don't think we were up to date on the date. And we just want to apologize. And now, like, if you knew that yesterday was Veterans Day, would we have taken off?

[B]

No, because, like, we have a commitment to our sponsors and, like, they bought ads on veterans.

[A]

Okay. No, but did you take off Veterans Day for next year?

[B]

I didn't. It just. You want to know why? Like, we have to be careful with the bank holidays. You know, we.

[A]

I feel like it depends on the month. Like, we do get Thanksgiving at the in this month, so Columbia don't really need the Veterans Day. I think the veterans should get off for Veterans Day. But, like, the hardworking swirlies should still be singing and dancing for the veterans. They need to be entertained on their big day.

[B]

Yeah. It's definitely. You agree that it falls into a strange category of federal holiday. It's, like, not really celebrated.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's on a different.

[A]

I think it should be honored.

[B]

Of course. I agree.

[A]

And we didn't even honor it. No.

[B]

And we have to lead by example.

[A]

It's true. For that, we apologize. And you guys in the comments being so shocked that we did an episode yesterday, like, I was seriously cracking up.

[B]

I was cracking up, too. And, like, nice to give everyone a nice little surprise, but I don't know. I wasn't.

[A]

Have we ever taken off Veterans Day? Like, no.

[B]

I'm telling you, you guys, Veterans Day is a different tier. Like, it doesn't get the respect that it deserves. Deserves nothing at the top.

[A]

Right at the top. And we're just, like, bottom theaters. So don't look at us. We don't know a thing.

[B]

Ain't that the truth? Except today, we're not bottom feeders. We're glamorous models wearing the latest trends in all. And we're twins in all.

[A]

Glamorous models.

[B]

So when it comes to, like, those.

[A]

Girls from the astigmatism commercial.

[B]

Yes. When it comes to all things fashion and haute couture, Jackie and I are kind of Taking exactly what they're doing on the Paris Runway and bringing it to the streets. And that's the Toast Merch Pargie Fall 2024 collection which drops tomorrow at 10:00am Eastern Time. We, for the first time ever, are dropping cardigans. Jackie and I are both wearing our new toast cardigan. Kind of a very parchy collegiate look. It's got Jackie. Yes, please model for us. It's got the Toast logo C on the left breast. On the left breast. It's got. It's outfitted with black buttons from top to bottom. And Jackie and I are both pairing it with a new piece we are dropping tomorrow as well, the girly tee. This is like a cute little snug little shirt. Jackie and I are both wearing size mediums. If I had it all over again, I might get a large. It runs true to size, but it's.

[A]

A fitted shirt which is really not to be snug. We don't really do feed it fitted, but like with a cardigan, it pairs really nicely. And I do fear that our microphones are blocking the the beautiful detail on the shirt. So we're just going to scoot to the left and show you the little girly. It's almost like a little necklace on the chest.

[B]

This is probably the pieces we're most excited about about this new merch drop, which again, can't stress enough drops tomorrow because it's so fastoptoastmerch.com. it's also something new. We've never done cardigans. We love cardigans as a skew, you know, as girlies ourselves. So we're excited to see, like, why.

[A]

Not make the cardigan that you wish.

[B]

To see in the world correct the cute again. And we have even more pieces that we have yet to tease. So make sure you're following us on social media. There's another set dropping. There's a T shirt, there's hats, there's totes. It's a very collegiate fall autumnal vibe, leaves changing sort of vibe and you're not going to want to miss it.

[A]

Yeah, we'll show you everything today that's launching because the next time we see you guys, it'll all be live. And as always, we've ordered as much as humanly possible, everything under the sun that they make of these SKUs. But it could still sell out. So you do want to make haste with these things.

[B]

It's 10am Eastern Time.

[A]

You might want to set that alarm west coast.

[B]

You just might.

[A]

So that's very exciting. Now that We've shown off the merch. I'm gonna put a blanket on because it is freezing in my studio.

[B]

Bring a little skirt on the show. It's a little sexy show. Sexy show. Well, thank you for showing us your legs until. Until you were putting them away now.

[A]

Yeah, putting them away now. Even though I'm only. The top half of my outfit is only merch, so you're not really missing anything.

[B]

But.

[A]

I don't know, I just felt like I couldn't show up with a blanket. But it is frosty in here.

[B]

Well, it's officially. You know, it's been kind of. Kind of unique weather in New York. It's been like Halloween, Election day. We're making Chili's, and it's actually 70 degrees outside today. They decided we'll make it cold. It's really November.

[A]

Well, clouds.

[B]

Very, literally, very chilly. And I've made it. I actually forgot to update everyone. I. So what was it, like, a week or two ago? We were talking about the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade last week.

[A]

Yeah, last week.

[B]

The lineup. And we were talking about how it's such an important special event in our family history. And I think of it so fondly. Well, Macy's reached out and they not only invited me and Ben to the parade, but, like, vip.

[A]

Vip, like, all the way.

[B]

You get to put, like, they close every street. Good luck getting around the morning of Thanksgiving Day Parade. No, they have a special car. They're sending me, like, to the, you know, VIP entrance. Right. Literally.

[A]

Not the car.

[B]

I. Jackie, I get a chair. I get a seat and I can watch.

[A]

It's enough to get a seat. I did not expect a car.

[B]

My seat is on camera, like, the whole time. I need to wear Toastmasters.

[A]

You're going?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Oh, wow. You need to wear toast merch. I'll send. Get those toastier muffs from a few.

[B]

Collections ago and make sure just to record it so in case, like, I'm on television.

[A]

I'll be watching it. I'll be recording it. That is so exciting. And honestly, like, one step closer to our dreams. Because I feel like on our list of, like, dream opportunities, at least for me, like, that was up there.

[B]

MCing the parade.

[A]

No, like, VIP acts, like, access to the parade and, like, you're there and apparently. And if I wanted to go, like, I could have kicked Ben out and gone with you in there. My dreams were accomplished.

[B]

You. If you want to come, you can. They did offer me three seats.

[A]

I have big Thanksgiving plans already, so I can't but like, dreams equals reached.

[B]

And they also, like, said there's like, a little hospitality room, I think, for like, some of the fellow celebrities that, like, you know, if you're in between, there's like a commercial break, you need a snack. There's like a little lounge.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I'll be sharing everything. I'll be sharing all the behind the scenes on my Instagram. But that's, like, something really exciting. Like, my Thanksgiving just, like, leveled up.

[A]

Wow, that is really exciting. I also saw that Shibuzi is playing the halftime show at one of the Thanksgiving football games. Lions versus Tigers versus Bears, I think.

[B]

By the way, isn't it the Cowboys? They always have the big halftime show.

[A]

They have a big halftime show. Always. Do you know who's doing it?

[B]

Who?

[A]

This would only happen to me.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because I am going to be in Dallas for things.

[B]

Right. Okay. Luke Holmes.

[A]

Laney Wilson.

[B]

Are you going to the game?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

If it was Shaboozy, I'd be there.

[B]

That's really funny.

[A]

How fucking funny is that?

[B]

You're missing out, though. Like, that's the thing. You still have enough time to get into Laney.

[A]

Okay, I need to start keeping a pen and paper next to me here of things that I need to do. Because sometimes I'm, like, sitting in my car, I'm like, what do I want to listen to? And then I just hit Sabrina again. But, like, I've got research to do.

[B]

Yeah, Laney, you need to really, like, I. I'm all in for the jokes and stuff. And, like, she totally is an industry plant, but at the end of the day, like, she's supremely talented and it's swirly music.

[A]

No, my beef with her isn't even that she's an industry plan. It's not even beef. It's just, like, I happen to have miscellaneous. I could even say the same thing about Chris Stapleton. Like, he's everywhere. He's for everyone. But, like, weirdly just didn't capture me yet. And, like, the fact that I could go to a football game and there's a big half time show. It used to be it was Luke Holmes, it was Jonas Brothers. It was somewhat Dolly. Even though I wouldn't have been, like, as excited about.

[B]

You could also go to and just see the DCC swirlies. You hear DCC got picked up for season two.

[A]

I didn't. I'm so glad because that was seriously a bright spot in my year was that show.

[B]

I agree. It was so great. And the girlies have really been popping up on my algorithm for Tik Tok, like Reese, Charlie, all the girls, Kelly, and they seem to be doing so well. And I think that they make a lot of money now as content creators. I don't think that they still have second jobs. Like Reese was working in a flower shop because they make like $10,000 a year being the dancers. And that makes me really happy, too, because that's how it should have been. So if they're not going to pay them more, they have to keep the show alive. So the girlies, some of them have like a million followers on TikTok. Like, that is a sustainable second stream of income.

[A]

It's a first stream of income now. The other thing is your hobby.

[B]

Exactly. So I'm like, every time they pop up on my algorithm, I'm always engaging. Like, I just. I want financial success for them.

[A]

I love that. So it's going to be a big Thanksgiving, even though it feels like next week should be Thanksgiving and it's not 1000%.

[B]

Although next week we are dropping an episode with a guest whom we filmed a little while ago, and we haven't been able to release it. And we're releasing at the first chance we get.

[A]

It'll make sense.

[B]

It'll all make sense. And it's a dream guest of ours. It turned out to be even better than I anticipated. And I was actually just watching. I had to, like, approve some clips. They were. I forgot because it was like, a couple of weeks ago. You guys are gonna love it.

[A]

We've realized so many dreams this month, and I feel like we need to acknowledge the space that we're in.

[B]

Should we start a list of dreams realized?

[A]

Yeah, we should.

[B]

Yeah. Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Blank on the toast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Making cardigans for sale.

[A]

Making. Yeah.

[B]

What else?

[A]

It's just. That's it. It doesn't have to be like, one dream is enough. Du.

[B]

I mean, it's so true. Three in a month.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's November, our month.

[A]

It's certainly my month.

[B]

Yeah, it is. It is.

[A]

As it is my birth month.

[B]

Yes, that's true.

[A]

But it could. I feel like it's everybody's month. It's really a great month.

[B]

What is your birthstone?

[A]

Yellow topaz.

[B]

You feel connected to your birthstone at all?

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

Yeah. Mine is a ruby.

[A]

Which Pargie.

[B]

It's Pargie. I don't own any jewelry with a ruby. I actually don't know what a ruby looks like. Is it red?

[A]

Red, yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't feel cute like Margot Ashrae feels very connected to her birthstone, which is an emerald. I guess, like, when you have one of the good ones, it's easy to be connected to it. But yellow topaz, one of the good ones.

[A]

Do you know there's a month that has diamond?

[B]

Oh, well, that just seems unfair. What month is that?

[A]

I don't know. Probably June. They get everything. Another month has pearl.

[B]

Let me ask you another question to birthstones align with astrology. Like, if you're born after the 22nd.

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's month.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

It's month to month.

[B]

Got it. Got it.

[A]

I actually ordered. I got targeted for some Instagram ad, like, these, like, fake rings that. It's, like, two birthstones next to each other. I'm sure there's a jeweler that makes the right. Not the right. The real authentic ones. But these were, like, fake, cheap rings. So, like, I got mine and Zach's birthstones next to each other. That's.

[B]

Why don't you get Harry and Charlie's?

[A]

So at first, it's like a romantic thing. So I got yellow and green, and I ordered it, and I got the wrong size, and it's, like, too cheap to actually get size. So I ordered another one with Harry and Charlie's. I think it should be here any day now. I just got a shipping notification, so I'll keep you posted on that. If you see me wearing new jewelry, you'll know where it came from.

[B]

It's not real. Birthstones are just like.

[A]

It's like, I can't even. Like, I could have said it was real, you know?

[B]

I know. You know, I kind of want to talk to you about that. Counterfeit things like diamonds or bags or what is your philosophy on retaining them? And then also, like, the truth level, it's so hard.

[A]

It just depends what your goals are, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, and I do feel like if you wear something fake, it kind of, like, delegitimizes the rest of your collection.

[B]

Okay. So that just happened to me because I have a friend who loves to indulge in, you know, designer goods. No, no. In fraudulent goods.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

But she also has, like, nice things, too. And so I was with her, and she was wearing a purse. I'm like, I love your bag. And I realize it sounded really rude when I said it, but I'm like, fake. Because this person is always like. And they don't hide the fakeness. They're like, yeah, it's fake. It's like. And she was like, no, no, no, it's actually real. And I felt, like, so rude saying that, but because you. You assume.

[A]

Yeah, it kind of, like, spoils the whole bunch. However, on the flip side, if you have a lot of real, like, you can get away with some fake here and there and people will, but you.

[B]

Can'T be honest about it.

[A]

No, you can't. And that's what gets me because, like, I am an honest person. And if I did get something fake, like, even this ring, I just told everyone.

[B]

Yeah. I think you either have to, like, kind of be all or nothing. Like, if you have a collection of things and a couple of them are fake, like, it does sort of. And you're telling people it does cast doubt within the minds of your fellow peers about your collection in general.

[A]

Right. But then I also think it's like, what is the goal of the fakeness? Like, is it to look like it's designer? It's probably made out of crap. Well, then you just have a crappy bag, but, like, to have, like, a nice leather bag that's not trying to be something else. And there are a lot of brands that do this that are just, like, nice leather goods. And I feel like that is a better use of your money and time than, like, something that's trying to be something. And it's actually made of garbage.

[B]

Yeah. But nobody cares that it's made of garbage. Like, the whole point, really, in this day and age of designer bags is, like, for the clout and for the status. And, like, so literally, if you're looking at me from afar, you're not going to know that it's fake. And then I. I successfully received that clout from you.

[A]

Yes. However, and the off chance that somebody notices the seam is out of place or realizes that it's fake, your clout is worse than if you just got a nice leather. Okay.

[B]

But then you're, like, hanging out with crazy people. Most people. And even I, like, I feel like I have, like, a pretty good. I would never know if someone's bag is fake or real.

[A]

No. I never even think about it.

[B]

Yeah. I happen to not actually. I do have a lot of, like. I wouldn't say fake jewelry. It's like costume jewelry, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But in terms of, like, designer duds, I don't own, I don't think. I almost bought those Prada beach bags that, like, everybody's obsessed with. They're so pricey. And I was going on vacation. I wanted one so bad. I'm like, this is so dumb. Like, I just can't. Like, I can't do it and somebody I know who's like, a fancy person, they were like, well, you know, actually a lot of people have fake of this particular bag because it's like. It's like a beach bag. What is everyone spending $2,000 on? And we have a guy, like, who can make you really high quality. So it's still, like, a $400 fake. And I almost did it, but they didn't have the one that I wanted.

[A]

It's really, really tempting. And if I was, like, in a room and I know certain countries have, like, amazing fakes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To the point that they look real.

[B]

That's also something that goes down on the Upper east side. A lot of people don't know is the Cartier love bracelets. There are a couple of jewelers who make real Cartier. Like, it's not made of gold, but.

[A]

It'S not Cartier brand.

[B]

It's cheaper because it doesn't have, like, that Cartier price tag on it. But it's still, like, $1,000 as opposed to, like, 5,000.

[A]

Yeah, but that's still, like, a real gold bracelet. You're not wearing something passing off as Cartier, but it's turning your wrist green. But I just want to say I could never really, like, imposed with, like, a bag that looks, smells, tastes real. It just isn't, you know, because when you see a lot of bags, like, on the street, like, like, there's no ambiguity. So if I was really in a room with a bunch of birkins that looked like birkins and no one would ever know except for me, I would get one. I don't. I think. Yeah. Why would I not get one? Honestly, why would I not get one?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because then it's just me, like, paying just to pay, and I'm a fool.

[B]

Just for yourself. Like, okay, good luck with that.

[A]

Yeah. I think it depends on the quality.

[B]

Yeah. Well, it's a whole underbelly of the Internet as well. Like, dhgate people have become, like, DH gate experts, and they're really churning them out in China. So check it out.

[A]

Yeah. And also, I feel like more so for clothes. Like, some of those designer clothes are so. I mean, all of them are so expensive. Like, I remember there was a picture, like, Kyleen stuff. Were wearing, like, these Chanel sets, golfing that were so cute, and it's like, thousands of dollars. I would never spend that in one outfit. And if you could get that, like, fake, you wear it one time. That's different to me than a bag. Like, do it.

[B]

Especially, like, when Your weight fluctuates as much as mine does. And like, you're disgusting slob who like, can't get anything without eat anything without getting stained. Like, designer clothing is really. It's moronic.

[A]

Yeah. It depends on the item. Like, if it's an amazing coat that's going to keep you warm and coat is down to your children, but just like a little set that's like trendy and you can wear it really once and take a picture.

[B]

Dhg. That's why we prefer shoptoastmerch.com you get.

[A]

Quality goods with the designer label. It's not the win win.

[B]

It's a win win. You really. You're not finding anything like it anywhere on the market.

[A]

It's true. I'm really excited about the merch lunch tomorrow. Also, we have one other set that we haven't worn yet that we'll both probably wear tomorrow on the show. And I'm so excited. It's the classic logo set in this parchy fall color. I'm like, excited to wear it.

[B]

And we have the T shirt. Maybe I'll wear that tomorrow so we can. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

We also should wear this hat to the party tonight.

[B]

I actually am planning on wearing this hat to the party tonight.

[A]

I just want you to know it when we're watching Wicked and that line comes on.

[B]

Well, I meant to say if because it's an adaptation, they could have removed it.

[A]

It's in the song Dancing Through Life.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I'm looking forward to when you hear that line in Dancing Through Life.

[B]

And who delivers it. Jonathan Bailey, I think Fiero.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

No, no, no. I think it's. I think it's Glinda trying to get Alphabet and her sister excited for the party. You should wear this hat to the party tonight.

[B]

Got it. Okay.

[A]

It's like classic Glinda.

[B]

Yeah. Cynthia and Ariana. Do we have a story about them?

[A]

No, that was meant to be the fifth story yesterday, which was Wicked premiere in la. And like the Wicked premiered in la. Oh, and that Idina Menzel was there.

[B]

Yeah. So it's like rumors being squashed. But I need to. Like, that's not even my concern. I'm like, starting to get a little fatigue with Ariana and Cynthia. Just like, the crying. I've seen like 45 clips of them being asked different questions and they cry about everything. And, like, some of the questions are deep, like about their friendship. But, like, these are always crying and it's literally musical. Like.

[A]

Yeah, it's just a lot.

[B]

That's the kids. I know, I know.

[A]

Those are the people who shut you out of the musical.

[B]

I know. It's literally the people who shut me out of 13 the musical.

[A]

And if they were in the biggest movie musical of the year, they'd be crying for everything, too.

[B]

It's just, like, a lot. Because when you whittle it down, it's like a movie, like, about witches. And it's not like. I don't know what movie would require this much crying, but it's certainly not wicked.

[A]

Maybe Pearl Harbor.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Like Schindler's List.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's just a lot like. And. And I don't know, it's like when you cry over everything, it kind of, like, diminishes the. The meaning of your cries.

[A]

I know. That's why it's just a lot.

[B]

And there's been, like, a lot of, like, funny memes. And I know that, like, Ariana sees them and laughs and she wants to send them to Cynthia, but she can't.

[A]

Yeah. That's definitely, like, a generation obstacle in their relationship.

[B]

It's an obstacle in their friendship. Like Cynthia's inability to, like, swirl with the girls.

[A]

Yeah. To understand the Internet and the way it works.

[B]

Yeah. But, yeah, the LA premiere, like, was popping. Everybody looked great. I'm just, like, ready for this movie to come out.

[A]

Me, too. I can't believe it's still in two weeks. Like, even. That's what I mean about next week is kind of just like a random week.

[B]

It's kind of. It's gonna be a dead week. Should we take the week off? I feel like we should.

[A]

I know. But then we get the following week. We have three days off, which is really nice.

[B]

Yeah. Thanksgiving is such a great holiday. Like, I know we have this conversation at this time of year. Year, but it really. We.

[A]

I think we are. We're thankful we.

[B]

I am thankful. It's like, the fact that it's always. Most holidays don't fall on the same day of the week every year. Thanksgiving is, like, special in the fact that it's always on a Thursday. And so it just makes for such a great long weekend. It's always minimum four days. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You know, when you're. When you're your own boss, like, we are. We also add Wednesday in there, but it's so underrated, and it's so great. And it's such a great vibe. You know, you don't have to go to, like, church or shul. Like, you just literally just like, lay around with your family eat and watch TV like, it's just a great. I'm thankful. It's a great holiday.

[A]

I'm thankful. To Daraba, to the planners.

[B]

How are the stories today? Should we dive in?

[A]

Those are two separate questions that, like, one, the stories are okay. Should we dive in? I guess so. Because you seem intent on it.

[B]

Intent? Oh my God, like, I just asked a question.

[A]

You picked up your iPad.

[B]

Well, yeah, I've got business to attend to.

[A]

So I guess without further ado, here are the fast five stories that you need to know.

[B]

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[A]

I think Moana 2 is coming out next weekend also.

[B]

Big weekend for the theaters.

[A]

Big weekend. Our first story, the big celeb news of the day, I would say is Megan Fox is pregnant.

[B]

Oh, I wouldn't say that's the big celeb news of the day.

[A]

What would you say is the big celeb news of the day?

[B]

Sexiest Man Alive.

[A]

This. It's not Sexiest Man Alive. It's the countdown to Sexiest Man Alive.

[B]

No, no, it's Sexiest Man Alive. Did you not see that? They announced it? No. Do you See who it was?

[A]

No, I saw what you saw, but that was. It's a little misleading because I was looking for that when I was picking stories.

[B]

It's.

[A]

He's featured in the issue.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh. It comes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. By the way.

[A]

Right? Is that confusing or what?

[B]

It is. It is. Okay, so the Sexiest Man Alive comes out in 12 hours, but they. They released a bunch of their, like, you know, lower tiered sexiest podcaster or whatever. Sexiest man on Late Night and one of the categories. So funny how it got picked up. I thought that the Sexiest Man Alive was announced and that it was Benny Blanco. And I seriously was not sure how I was going. It felt like a trap. I was like, I didn't know how. I'm gonna recap this on the toes without being rude.

[A]

Like, no, I saw that tweet about Benny Blanco being sexiest man Alive. So I went to People magazine to, like, get the Sexiest Man Alive story, and it wasn't. You have to scroll really far down, which they don't do for SMA. And then it says, Countdown 2 SMA. And so they're revealing some of their sexy men. But he's not the sexiest man.

[B]

He got like, sexiest chef or whatever.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Because honestly, I can breathe a sigh of relief.

[B]

I am. I was really worried, like, for myself, about, like, how we were going to talk about this on the toes.

[A]

Like, no, on the one hand, because you don't want to be, like, rude. On the other hand, like, we worked with People magazine to give us that big. So we don't want to, like, poo poo their decision. But don't worry about any of that. That's not what's happened here.

[B]

Oh, my God. I'm actually relieved for myself. Like, I just. I knew I was going to get myself into, like, a big hole.

[A]

I think. I think we're still in. We might still. Because of how we're reacting to the idea.

[B]

I don't think so. Move on. Okay, what was the story?

[A]

So he is not the sexiest man alive, but he is a sexy man alive. And if you want to read more about Benny Blanco sexiness, head to people.com.

[B]

Yeah, and the great thing is, if you don't want to read about that.

[A]

You don't have to go stay on shoptoastmerch.com Correct. Our first story, which I do still think is the big celeb news of the day.

[B]

Yeah, I guess that Megan Fox is.

[A]

Pregnant with Machine Gun Kelly's Baby. Which is big news because they're a big slip couple. They've been very on and off, and this is very on of them.

[B]

Right. I think that, like, this was a big. This is a way a lot of people found out that these two were still together, let alone having a child.

[A]

I think people stopped keeping tags. And then they seem like the type that depending on the day they're together or not, they have an unconventional relationship. And this is conventional enough to say they're together right now.

[B]

Yeah. And I think, like, we can really only care about two people who are, like, so all over the place. Like, as I feel like I have a very low threshold for, like, how much I can care. And I think the rest of the world really followed in my footsteps.

[A]

Yeah, me as well. But I do care about a milestone in an on and off relationship. This is a very big milestone. She posted a very Megan MGK style pregnancy announcement.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know, like, the whole, like, blood sisters love sucking each other's blood. Like, I'm so over that aesthetic. It's actually disgusting. And so her announcement, like, you know, I don't know what liquid she was doused in.

[A]

Me neither. It's like goo.

[B]

It's like tar.

[A]

It's not blood because it's like, it.

[B]

Looks like blood, but it's black.

[A]

It's dark green.

[B]

Yeah. And so this aesthetic, like, I think at one point in time, like, people were really into the whole, you know, howling at the moon, sucking each other's blood, you know, teeth in each other's necks. It's just really not my vibe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think, you know, call me crazy and traditional, I think a birth announcement should be free of all gory liquids.

[A]

But you know what? It was a carousel on the second side. It's just a picture of her positive pregnancy test.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

At the end of the day, she's still just a girl.

[B]

Maybe I'm like, immature. I've never seen a pregnancy test like that. Like. Yes.

[A]

I didn't say next.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I didn't know they made pregnancy tests like that. Like, that are so, like.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I just. I was shocked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that. Is that real or was that Photoshopped?

[A]

It's definitely not Photoshopped. I've never seen that either.

[B]

I never use a first response ad.

[A]

No. But I've never used just first response, so I didn't know they were like, Yoshifying the pregnancy test.

[B]

First response is yassifying the whole journey. I just. I don't know why I thought it was a meme when I saw it, because, like, the text and the. I don't know, it was just. It was shocking.

[A]

That would be a funny meme for someone to be, like, right in there, like, baby Fox.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's what I thought it was. So it's on the way. Overall, like, a child coming into this earth is so beautiful in terms of, like, you know, the announcement. I. Obviously, I have my critiques.

[A]

Okay. I think that's fair. This will be her fourth child and his second.

[B]

And they're first together.

[A]

They're first together. Yes.

[B]

Yeah. That's nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So are they married or just engaged?

[A]

Engaged or. I feel like they had, like, a.

[B]

Marriage where, like, the moon told them they were married.

[A]

Officiated. Yeah.

[B]

Not like. Not like a courthouse, but the sky.

[A]

Agree. No, they didn't get married, like, in Santa Barbara.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Beach. No, No.

[B]

I feel like they literally got married, like, in the Twilight Zone.

[A]

Yeah. With, like, a blood oath.

[B]

Exactly. That they remember. They put the blood in the necklaces and, like, drank it. Just like, I can just, like, whatever happened to. I do.

[A]

I don't know. I don't.

[B]

Me neither.

[A]

Well, mazel tov to them.

[B]

Mazel tov to them.

[A]

Our next story is a bit of Kiki Palmer news.

[B]

What is Queenie getting into this evening? Because, actually, I know her memoir is.

[A]

Coming out next week, and she did an interview with the LA Times, talking about some bits in her memoir relating to Scream Queens, the Ryan Murphy show that she was on. So she shared two anecdotes from the show talking about how Ryan Murphy allegedly ripped into her while working on Scream Queens, calling her unprofessional. Oh, and then she also shared a interaction that she had with a cast member who she calls Brenda in the book, allegedly making a racist remark to her on set. So first, let's do Ryan Murphy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I didn't even see that part of the story. Like, it so got swallowed up by the other one. I have not heard, like, a lot about what Ryan Murphy is like on set and, like. Like to work with. So it's possible that he's, like, you know, like this.

[A]

Well, I think mostly because the people who work with him work with him again and again. So.

[B]

Right.

[A]

If it's not the best experience, like, it would jeopardize the next job. And she says that in her book. So basically, she was set to have a day off on Scream Queen, so she booked, like, other stuff for her personal brand, like, another thing that she was doing. And then that day came and they actually needed her on set and she was like, no, I've got to do my thing. I'm a business too. And I, yeah, I was supposed to have this day off. And so then he called that unprofessional of her and she said, maybe that's why I've not worked with him again. But at least, like, he knows, like, my business is important to me.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sorry. Like, boundaries are real. Like, you can't just like, ask me to come into work on a day that I.

[A]

Real people have lives and people have other things that they're doing.

[B]

No, that's unfortunate. Like, and maybe if she, if she hadn't booked anything, she would have said, okay, like, yeah, I'm gone. But no, and that's like, to be punished and like, not asked. Because Ryan really does keep. I just saw he's filming something else with Kim Kardashian. Like, he really keeps people in his orbit. I mean, he's single handedly keeping what's her name's career live.

[A]

Sarah Paulson.

[B]

Thank you. So there's a couple of people who he clearly loves and works with time after time. And yet Kiki never got another gig with him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So perhaps that's why.

[A]

Perhaps. She also said while starring on the show, she wrote that a white actress whom she keeps anonymous and refers to as Brenda allegedly made a racist remark to her on set after the actress grew upset over an issue with a colleague. Keke suggested they calm down and everyone have fun and respect each other. And so the actress then said, kiki, literally just don't. Who do you think you are, Martin Luther King? Kiki writes, it was such a weighted thing that she said, but I didn't allow that weight to be projected on me because I know who I am. I'm no victim. That's not my storyline, sweetie. I don't care what her ass said. If I allow what she said to cripple me, then she would.

[B]

Well, of course the Internet, like, did its thing and was freaking out. I think. I think a lot of people's initial assumption was that it was Lea Michelle. She does have this sort of murky past where other castmates of color have been like, yeah, she made me uncomfortable. She made weird comments. Microaggressions is what they had said at the time. And then, you know, the Internet did its thing. Kiki Palmer still follows on Instagram pretty much all the main swirlies from that show. Her and Emma Roberts follow each other. Abigail Breslin, Billie Lord. You know, the girlies And Lee Michelle is nowhere to be found in Kiki Palmer's following list. So I don't know if that is, like, a confirmation, but it definitely is a leading piece of evidence.

[A]

It's very leading. It's probably the only piece of evidence we have. So all roads do point to Lea Michelle, but, yeah, I guess you can.

[B]

Say for certain that's a really bad thing to say.

[A]

Like, yeah.

[B]

And I feel like sometimes when people talk about, like, castmate drama they had, they never, like, say what the person had said. You know, they just say, like, she acted this sort of way, like, using different, like, adjectives. But to get a quote, that's a really, like, like, terrible thing to say. It's. If it is Lea Michelle, like, yikes to the nth degree, because I feel like we're all just sort of, like, moving past. So I.

[A]

If it is Lea Michelle, like, Kiki won't say anything. She'll just let people believe, like, what is the truth. And if it's not Lea Michelle, she might say, no, no, it wasn't Leah. Because she.

[B]

Because it's such a. It's like, it's such a bad thing to put on someone and if it's not them, like, yikes.

[A]

Yeah. So I think that's how we could assume moving forward.

[B]

I love Kiki Palmer. Like, I ride for her till the day I die. And, like, she deserves more work.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I know she's, like, booked and busy, but, like, I feel like Scream Queens was such a big thing for her. I feel like it really separated her after, like, being a child star was, like, the first thing she did, at least in my consciousness as like, an adult. And Ryan Murphy was wrong for that. Like, he should put her back.

[A]

Yeah. But I also feel like now, and I feel like that's probably what she was doing on that day that Ryan wanted her to work. It's like she's an influencer. She has, like, so much of her own business. Yeah. She had her podcast, and so she has that world going on for her.

[B]

Yeah. I just. Mainstream wise.

[A]

Yeah. Or in terms of, like, you know, traditional acting. But she kind of does it all.

[B]

She does. I mean, she hosted snl. Like, she's really a triple threat.

[A]

Yeah. She would be a good award show host, too.

[B]

Yeah. Well, she did, I think, just do something. Also, speaking of snl, to the story about Chloe Feynman.

[A]

Yes. Do you want to get into that now?

[B]

Yeah. Because I actually have a lot of thoughts.

[A]

Yeah. So Chloe Feynman took to her social media to post a video story talking about Elon Musk, because I guess he posted something about their most recent episode.

[B]

Yeah, he was, like, criticizing the. Whoever did an impersonation of him. He wasn't happy with it.

[A]

Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. And so she posted a video saying, well, actually, Elon, there's been rumors out there that someone who hosted SNL made some cast member cry. I think you and I were even speculating on who it was.

[B]

Yes. There has, like, long been this, like, haunted story about this celebrity guest who made one of the SNL stars cry. And we really got no clues. Like, it could have been anyone, and they didn't give us a year. Like, it was really, really vague.

[A]

And I think you and I. I forget who even said just that, that someone made someone cry. And then we started speculating. I think we probably just assumed it was Kanye.

[B]

We did. We did.

[A]

Or like, a really big actor, just, like, being a devo. But it turns out that it was Elon who made Chloe Feynman cry.

[B]

And she's the one telling us that.

[A]

She's the one telling the story. So she said after he talked about their episode, he said, she posted a video saying, I was like, I'm not gonna say anything. But I'm like, no, if you're gonna go on your platform and be rude, guess what? You made. I, Chloe Feynman, burst into tears because I stayed up all night writing this sketch. She remembered that she was so excited when she learned Elon was guest starring on the show and remembered going up to him at one point to see if he had any questions before the live broadcast. So she stayed up all night writing the sketch. She presented it to him. She said, quote, you stared at me like you were firing me from Tesla and were like, it's not funny. I waited for you to be like, ha, jk, no. Then you started pawing through my script, like, flipping each page, being like, I didn't laugh. I didn't laugh once. Not one time. She didn't disclose which sketch it was which. I absolutely do need to know.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

However, she noted that it did make up, did end up making it into the show and that it was fine.

[B]

Now if I'm Chloe Feynman.

[A]

And then Elon, by the way, has tweeted, of course. He said, frankly, it was only on the Thursday before the Saturday that any of the sketches generated laughs. I was worried. I was like, damn, my SNL appearance is going to be so fucking unfunny that it will make a crackhead sober. But then it Worked out in the end.

[B]

Now it's. I have so many thoughts. Like, if I'm Chloe Feynman, I can understand why she cried. Obviously. Like, I'm like, I'm just a girl. I probably would have cried, too. However, I would not be sharing this story, like, ever, because she doesn't look like the victim that I think she thought she was going to look like. I think for a lot of us watching that episode of Elon Musk, it was the first time I realized in my life, like, oh, Elon Musk is like. Like autistic. And I think a common. I don't want to say, like, side effect. What's the word I'm looking for? Character trait of people on the spectrum is, like, this very sort of direct bluntness almost. And when I think Elon looked at the script and said, I didn't find one thing of this funny. Was he trying to be, like, a bully? No, I think that's how he talks and, like, how he acts. I think he definitely is like, Asperger's Y. So I don't think he was coming from, like, a place of being mean. And two, I'm sure, like, this is a common thing that happens, right? Like, you give a celebrity a script and they're like, it's not funny.

[A]

No. I imagine that is literally the job. You stay up, deliver it five days to get the work done right? You give it to someone, and then if they don't like it, they would say, that's not funny.

[B]

Maybe other people deliver it in, like, a softer way. But again, he is who he is, and I think, like, that for me, when I saw him on snl, I'm like, oh, he's, like, kind of quirky. Like, I don't know what the right word is. And I'm probably, like, being offensive. But I think it's like, when you're. He's definitely on the spectrum socially, right?

[A]

No. And he says that in his opening monologue. And then he said, you didn't expect me to be, like, a cool, normal guy.

[B]

Yeah. So I don't think this was, like, the slay Chloe Feynman thought it was. Because, one, like, it is explicable. He's not just being a dick. Like, he is this way. And two, like, that's the big thing. Like, he just said it wasn't funny. I thought, like, he would have, like, called you ugly. Like, it. It's. It's not. It doesn't make him out to be the monster that I think she thought.

[A]

It might no, it makes her out to seem like a crybaby. Because that's literally the job is you write these sketches and some of them are going to hit and someone's going to like them, and when it doesn't go your way that. That you're crying, I'm surprised that doesn't happen more than. No.

[B]

And by the way, I can't even blame her for crying. Like, I think that. And she said she was really excited about Elon coming. So, like, this is someone who she obviously thought was cool. Sometimes I feel like you probably get used to some of the people who come by, so you're not always intimidated. But Elon was, like, this different level. He's not a celebrity. He's, like, a genius. So, like, I could see it. Like, I totally would have cried, too, by the way, but I wouldn't share his story.

[A]

And I wouldn't be, like, proud of it.

[B]

No, not proud, but, like, using it as, like, well, I was protecting you, but now I'm gonna tell the truth. And it's not this serve. Like, I totally actually understand and respect the crying. And I probably would have cried too, but I wouldn't have shared it to make Elon look bad. If anything, I actually just think it makes her look bad.

[A]

I agree, because that's what the job calls for. And, yeah, the thing is, I could never do that job. I could never write something and then give it creative and have to be judged, like, because I would cry. So I'm not right for that.

[B]

Yeah. 100%.

[A]

She's.

[B]

She's so valid in her tears. But the way she then, like, tried to use this story as, like, a weapon, like, oh, well, you said something mean about our episode. Here's the truth about who made who cry. And it doesn't make Elon look like a dick. I think, like, it pretty much validates what we already knew about him. If anything, I think it just makes her. Yeah. Look like a crybaby.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which, like. And I can't stress enough. Like, I would cry too.

[A]

Right. Which is, like, amongst one of the reasons why you can't.

[B]

I'm not Job. Yeah.

[A]

So.

[B]

So it just wasn't. I was.

[A]

I was down.

[B]

I was sad. I'm like, all right, let's hear. Let's serve it up. Like, Slate. Ruin him. And it really wasn't, like, that strong of a story.

[A]

No, not at all.

[B]

It's better kept in the vault.

[A]

Yeah. It was more titillating when we didn't.

[B]

Know it was because in my imagination, it was so much worse. Right? Like.

[A]

Or she would be better off being like, actually, Elon was the one who made me cry. And then, like, not tell us what.

[B]

And we'd be like, yes.

[A]

Bad Elon.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. She gave us too much detail. Because now I'm like, well, you were kind of wrong for that.

[A]

No. And also, when you take out, like, the tone that she adds to the a thing she just said, all he said was, that's not funny. When it's like, we're here to make.

[B]

Things funny, it's like a collaborative creative process and there's no one in the.

[A]

Room ever say, that's not funny. Well, that's maybe how their episodes wind up the way they do.

[B]

I do want to know what sketch it was so I can properly judge.

[A]

Because there were some that were really funny and then there were some that were less funny. So, like, was it one of the funny ones?

[B]

I also imagine a big part of SNL is, like, once you're a writer and you've been there for a while, you know, like, how it's going to be off the page, but someone who comes in, like, just reading it. I doubt even the funniest of sketches read funny. Like, it really, you need to see it. It's a visual thing. So I think a lot of the times, like, people write sketches that they know are great, and then, like, the celebrity host who's not used to this type of work environment is like, I don't get it, you know? And it's like, you don't. Because you don't do this for a living. So why don't you just trust us? Like, it's definitely probably a pattern. I think it happens a lot.

[A]

Yeah, but you have to have the thick skin for it.

[B]

Yeah. And by the way, like, one thing I do not have is a thick skin.

[A]

Like, yeah, like, don't tell me you don't like my idea.

[B]

I will cry. I will cry, like, 1,000%. I'll be in tears.

[A]

Okay. Are you ready for our next story? It is our fourth story.

[B]

I don't think I'm ready. What do you think?

[A]

I don't think you're ready for this jelly Turdy.

[B]

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Turd back.

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[A]

Timothy Chalamet is sitting down to talk about his method acting for his new Bob Dylan biopic.

[B]

It's like a surefire way to get me to dislike you. Like telling me about your method acting like, well, him, there's, there's people that are dying.

[A]

I think you might like what he's saying because he's talking about why he didn't take the Austin Butler approach.

[B]

And he's remember when Daniel Day Lewis, like didn't leave that log cabin when he was pretending to be Abraham Lincoln? Like, just really unnecessary stuff, like for real.

[A]

But you'll be glad to know that he didn't do that Chip because here's why. So he did Apple Music Zane Zane Low interview and here are some pull quotes. So he talks about how he considered doing the Method acting. He watched Natalie Portman and Jackie and how she does a sequence that is step for step. Exactly, exactly what Jackie did. That was sort of her aspiration at first. Her layman's aspirate. His layman's aspiration going into Bob. But then he realized and he saw all this stuff that he saw his good friend Austin Butler crush it with Elvis. But he realized I got to do none of this because it's not my style. And more importantly, it wasn't Bob Dylan style either. He said Bob did not have a vocal coach. He had two bottles of red wine and four packs of cigarettes. There's no way to impersonate that. So he for Thanksgiving, it's giving lazy.

[B]

Like, okay, that might have Been how Bob Dylan did it. But like, you're not Bob Dylan. You have to pretend to be Bob Dylan. And that requires like, you know, practice and rehearsing. It's giving lazy. Like. No, and I get it too. Like if, if I was playing someone who was like a little woo woo, I would be like, yeah, they didn't prepare either, so I'm not going to like. But you are not that person. You're Timothy Chalamet.

[A]

I feel like he didn't do it because of Kylie, because Kylie doesn't want to be with Bob Dylan. And if he was walking around being like Bob Dylan all day, every day, she'd say, go home, Bob.

[B]

Did you ever watch the TV show the Other Two before it got canceled?

[A]

I watched a bit of it, yeah.

[B]

Okay, so like later on you probably didn't see the brother starts dating this like, really handsome guy and he's like, kind of like a famous, like gay actor. And he's known for like doing methods. So at the time he's playing like a Hallmark star who's like, gone home for the holidays and he doesn't stop. And I think he's also like a virgin too. So, like they never have sex and the character is just waiting for him to wrap this movie so they can like be normal again. The second he wraps the movie, he books another role and becomes like this lumberjack or whatever.

[A]

He's like sleeping in a tent in Central Park.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so funny and it's such a funny concept. And by the way, I don't know how people who are method actors are in relationships because they're miserable people.

[A]

It's absurd. It's not until he stopped being Elvis that he dated Kaia Gerber. Austin Butler.

[B]

Absurd. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

So I think it was one, because he just wanted to give it the old Bob. But two, like, Kylie would not have.

[B]

Stood for it 1,000%. And if you require method acting, like, I don't think you're a very good actor because the whole point is, like, you're acting to like, not be yourself for a little while, but then you go back to being yourself. So if you have to like have a lobotomy, like you're just not good at your job.

[A]

It's absurd. And I think it shines another light.

[B]

On actors, on the delusion and like the true, like deranged nature that that is required to be a successful actor. Yeah, like, you're telling me you're forgetting your kids.

[A]

You're telling me you're at the Grocery store thinking you're Elvis Presley.

[B]

You're telling me you're, like, driving a Tesla, but you're Abraham Lincoln? Like, please. It's absurd. It's literally absurd.

[A]

Open the asylum.

[B]

Open the asylums. Like that. We let that Daniel J. Lewis thing go. And I'm citing him because I think it's one of the most famous examples. And I saw the movie, and I actually fell asleep in the theater.

[A]

I fell asleep, too, but I was so hungover. That was, like, one of my worst.

[B]

I wasn't. I was just board. Like, it was bad. And I'm citing him because it's, I think, one of the most well known examples. And it's just absurd.

[A]

I actually think I would like that movie now.

[B]

And I think he had, like, a family at the time. Like, a wife and kids. Like, you're telling me daddy can't come to my soccer game because he's Abraham Lincoln? Like, it's just. It's beyond diluted.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I won't stand for it. Like, if you can't act that good without this insane method, like, you're not a good actor.

[A]

It's so true.

[B]

Yeah. Like, you're telling me you have to have a full, like, brain transplant just to do your job.

[A]

It's so true.

[B]

You were never good at your job in the first place.

[A]

But I do think Timothee Chalamet is a good actor now. I've really never seen him in anything but just, like, going based on vibes.

[B]

I feel like method acting.

[A]

Did you see that video of Timothee Chalamet in his, like, school talent show or something? Like, rapping and jumping around?

[B]

Yeah, it's like a little Timmy. It's like a classic viral video. Every. Like, I think when he first got famous, it really went viral.

[A]

And to be honest, I. That's a talented person, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's like you in 13. Like, I see that and I see.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

No, I'm not even lying. I see a star. I see star power on that stage. Like, Timothy Chalamet has star power.

[B]

Okay, here are famous method actors, and the first one that came up was Daniel Day Lewis. I just want to say I wasn't, like, clowning.

[A]

He's the baddest to ever do it.

[B]

Al Pacino. He's notoriously known to immerse himself in roles, specifically Scent of a Woman, where he played a blind man. Now, I feel like that's actually an affront to the blind community to, like, fake being blind for a movie. Like, they can't fake See? Yeah, of course. Jeremy Strong from.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Yeah. What's his succession? Succession. The older brother, Kendall. And he opened up in a profile for the New Yorker about his immersive acting approach through the many roles he's taken on. Although he doesn't consider himself to be.

[A]

A method actor, to me, that one's, like, really pathetic.

[B]

I agree. Jared Leto as well.

[A]

Oh, that's a classic one.

[B]

Yeah. In the Suicide Squad, he.

[A]

I also think it's so much worse to do it for a TV show because, like, you're constantly filming, like, where's your life For a movie? It's like, what, three, four months? Like, we're going hard.

[B]

I don't know anyone that does it for a TV show.

[A]

Jeremy Strong, succession.

[B]

No, but it didn't say that he did it for succession. He did it for the trial of the Chicago Seven. Oh. Armageddon Time and the judge.

[A]

Okay. Because I was going to say he's been in other stuff.

[B]

That's crazy. Robert De Niro, when he was in his famous role of Taxi Driver, he reportedly worked for hours as a cab driver to study their behavior.

[A]

That's different. To me, that's studying. Agreed.

[B]

That's not method acting. Did he park the cab outside his house? No. Like, he returned the cab.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Christian Bale for the Fighter and American Hustle and Batman.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[B]

But this article in the Hollywood Reporter is misleading in it's not method acting. They're just saying he lost 70 pounds. Like, that's not the same.

[A]

That's on this.

[B]

Aren't understanding what I'm looking for.

[A]

People don't understand us. And that's a critical problem.

[B]

It's a cornerstone issue.

[A]

You know, Brianna Chicken Fry was doing a video. She shot something just explaining, like, a couple of things this weekend. And she, like, used the phrase. She said, there are people out there who are committed to misunderstanding her. And I feel bad.

[B]

Poignant.

[A]

The Hollywood reporters committed to misunderstanding what?

[B]

I do feel as though the Hollywood Reporter is constantly undermining us.

[A]

That was kind of like a separate. It's not. That's not.

[B]

I just.

[A]

That phrase really stuck with me.

[B]

It's a good quote.

[A]

There will be people out there who are committed to misunderstanding you.

[B]

Yes. She was talking about it in reference to the fact, like, she's opening up about this, you know, abusive relationship she's been in. And the comments she had made about the Menendez brothers are now being used against her. Because, like, if she was in an abusive relationship, how can she not understand the Menendez brothers? Meanwhile, the Two situations could be more fudgeing different.

[A]

Yeah, those are people who are committed to misunderstanding her.

[B]

And it's like, also, just let it go. How about that? Like, she had an opinion that you didn't agree with, and I think she has since backtracked on it. She said she doesn't really agree with that anymore. But, like, still, even if she did, there are a lot of people who thought the Menendez brothers deserve to go to prison. Like, a jury of their peers put them in prison. Like, it's. It's absurd. But we're taking all of our anger about the Menendez brothers out on Brianna Chicken fry. Yeah, it's absurd. It's kind of like my word of the day absurd. Also, maybe if everybody stopped acting absurd, I would not need to stop using it.

[A]

What's also so crazy is, like, what the Menendez brothers did. It's like, if they just outsourced, they could have ended up like Gypsy Rose.

[B]

Right, right. It's actually very similar. The Menendez brothers and Gypsy Rose. Yeah, that's right. Right. She just said, you know, you handle it. I'm out. I'll set this one out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let me know where to send the wire.

[A]

Are you ready?

[B]

Very Jamie. Very Jamie Dutton.

[A]

Speaking of perfect segue for our fifth and final story, which is that Yellowstone creator Taylor Sheridan is teaming up with Blake Shelton for a CBS singing competition called the Road.

[B]

Oh, I don't need this. I thought what you weren't gonna say is Kevin Costner went on a SiriusXM podcast, and it was like, yesterday morning or. Yeah, yesterday morning. And he said he had no idea what the fate of his character was gonna be. And he found out, you know, on Sunday night when his friends were texting him, that basically his character, spoiler alert, Died.

[A]

Of course he did.

[B]

Why is he acting like a victim? Like, he didn't show up for work? What do you want, updates and a memo?

[A]

The thing is, I don't wanna dislike Kevin Costner.

[B]

Oh, I'm well on my way, so I don't.

[A]

I'm not, like, keeping up with him in this stage.

[B]

He's making it really easy to dislike.

[A]

In this traitorous stage of his career.

[B]

He also said there were many times throughout the first five seasons, like, he didn't plan on doing this show for so long, and he had wanted to leave a couple of times.

[A]

Well, then you should have left in a way that allowed the storyline to flourish from your departure. And like, any of those times that he was shot, he could have just died.

[B]

Oh, yeah. There Was that time where you could.

[A]

Have been on his deathbed and said who. What his final wishes were like, and we could have gotten you out of the show in that way. Not like, we all wake up and we have to wait. We know you're not in the episode. And so, like, it just feels so fake.

[B]

Yeah. He was being, like, really condescending on the podcast, like, acting like he was the one. The wronged party. And I'm sorry, Like, in no version. And I know they say Taylor Sheridan is, like, you know, difficult to work with. Whatever. In no version of events. Like, is Kevin Costner not the villain here?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I can never see you as the wronged party. You're not the victim. Sorry.

[A]

Yeah. So Taylor Sheridan is now teaming up with Blake Shelton on a new singing competition titled the Road. The series will be launched by CBS as part of the network's fall 2025 schedule. The road will follow a music superstar on a journey to discover the next big artist. With budding singers joining the headliner on tour, Performing as opening acts in venues across the U.S. the singers will compete to win over local fan bases in order to secure a spot in the next city and remain on the tour.

[B]

Okay, whatever. I feel like Taylor Sheridan is constantly announcing shows that we never hear about, like the Matthew McConaughey one, the four sixes one. We never got a second season of 1923. Like, get back to work. Stop making new shows. Just work out. It's giving Game of Thrones.

[A]

Yeah. Taylor Sheridan, like, now kind of has, like, a blank check to do whatever shows, however many shows. Because of the success of Yellowstone, I also saw the premiere of Yellowstone got 16 million viewers, which is the most it's ever gotten.

[B]

Yeah. So there's so much hype.

[A]

There's so much hype. So many people love the show. So, yeah, this man can do whatever he wants.

[B]

Now.

[A]

Is this what I was looking for from him?

[B]

No. No. Does it sound good? Like, not really, but.

[A]

Am I going to get in your way? No.

[B]

I was actually watching the Voice last night. It's really crazy how, like, unwatchable it is with Michael Buble at the helm, but there are people who really. But really, Snoop Dogg makes it so. And, you know, he said something so interesting that I don't know if he's really spoken about this, like, Second Wave in his career, how he's, like, very homey. Right. Like, the whole Martha. So he's kind of family friendly. He did the Olympics, and what he started out at is so different as this. And so there was this. And I spoke about him the last time, this contestant who's like a 13 year old, like, church gospel singer, and he lost his battle and he was being sent home, and Snoop Dogg made a little speech to me. He was like, I just think you're so amazing, and I feel like you're the exact type of young person that, like, our community should be hyping up. And he's like. And, you know, I feel like for the first part of my career, I was, like, not really contributing. What did he say? He was like, I feel like I was representing, like, the worst parts of our community instead of what you're doing, which is, like, family and faith and positivity and joy. And I feel like he never really has spoken about, like, this transition in his career to, like, doing more, like, cable. Family friendly, like, not boring, but, like, safe.

[A]

Yeah, Commercial.

[B]

Commercial. And, like, what the reasoning behind that was. And I feel like that was the first time you ever really gave, like, a little bit of an insight into, like, into this shift in his career and why he. And it was, like a random throwaway comment on the Voice, but I found it so interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then somebody saved him. Michael Buble saved him so the kid didn't have to go home.

[A]

And Snoop Dogg didn't save him because.

[B]

I think Snoop was out of saves.

[A]

Okay, so are you grateful to the boob for that?

[B]

No, of course. Because then when Carson Daly was like, why'd you save him? He, like, had to make it about himself. He's like, you know, when I was a kid.

[A]

Oh, shut up.

[B]

Yeah. They saw something in me, and it's like, we don't care. We literally do not care.

[A]

Shut up and sing.

[B]

Not even. Just shut up.

[A]

He has a nice voice.

[B]

Michael Buble.

[A]

Yeah. I think that's like, an objective statement.

[B]

I don't know if I agree. I don't know if I agree.

[A]

Well, those are the fast side stories. You can see why, like, I was a little skeptical.

[B]

But I'm not gonna lie. When I was, like, pushing you to get into the stories, I thought Benny Blanca was the sexiest man alive. And, like, I thought it would be a funny convo. Unbeknownst to me, it hasn't even been announced.

[A]

Right. But the good news is, is that tomorrow we should have our sma. It's one of our favorite days of the year.

[B]

Shall we put in our final guesses?

[A]

Yes. But I need to, like, really think for a second, if that's okay.

[B]

Yeah. I'm going to say Glenn Powell.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

If he would agree to do it. That's the thing.

[A]

Like, I think he would, but I.

[B]

Don'T think they award to anyone. But they have to agree to sit down for a photo shoot and an interview. And not everyone wants to be like, you know, doing interviews with People magazine.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think that. I think that's a great guess. Like, he's my sma. But who People magazine will. Do they like an older gent? I think they have.

[B]

I do.

[A]

I think the people who buy their magazines are skew a little older, so they want to cater to them. Like, maybe. I can't even think.

[B]

What.

[A]

Who was around this year.

[B]

That's the thing you have to think about who's, like, actively doing press too.

[A]

Yeah. Like, the Rock. Has he been it because Moana's coming out.

[B]

Oh, that's a good call. Or maybe like, someone from Wicked.

[A]

Yeah, but there's not a lot of, like, sexiness in Wicked.

[B]

Yeah. It's so true. It's like giving theater nerds.

[A]

Yeah. Let me just look up, like, of the past SME so we can get excited for next year.

[B]

You know, the past SME is like Blake Shelton, George Clooney. They do definitely skew older. And they skew, like, very mass American, not like Hollywood.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I get the Broadway folk.

[A]

Yeah. Let me. I need like a Wikipedia historically. I need the history. Okay. Thank you today.com for being committed to understanding me. Okay. Oh, he. Oh, Dwayne was already.

[B]

Oh, I mean, you can be multimedia. Okay.

[A]

So last year was Patrick Dempsey classic. The year before was Chris Evans. So that actually bodes well for your Glenn Powell.

[B]

It does.

[A]

The year before it was Paul Rudd, Cutie. The year before was Michael B. Jordan.

[B]

Oh, that's like, not. That's like. Yeah, yeah. Like, he's actually sexy. Sometimes they just like, put these old men on. We're like, okay. No, like, Michael Jordan's like, sure, grandma. Yeah, right. Let's get you Back to bed.

[A]

2019, John Legend. 2018, Idris Elba. 2017, Blake Shelton. 2016, the Rock. I think he's got a chance. The Rock.

[B]

Oh, it's been a while. It's been eight years.

[A]

2015, David Beckham. That's a good one.

[B]

Hot.

[A]

I look forward to seeing what they're.

[B]

Gonna cook up for us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, that's our show, you guys, thank you so much for listening to the toast And Monday morning show reminder that tomorrow our fall merch collection [e-mail] It's 10:00am Eastern Time, I would set an alarm, be on the website at 10. Hopefully you'll be able to get what you want. Everything runs really true to size. If you're doing anything oversized, I would Recommend sizing up 1. For the most part I did everything fitted so I'm like a medium in the T shirt. I do wish I did a large but other than that I'm a medium throughout.

[A]

Yeah in the sets I took a medium sweater. T shirts medium. Sometimes I go large but just depends what you're looking for. There's something for everyone.

[B]

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[A]

Love ya. Bye.