The Toast – Episode: "The Accidental Matriarch"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: January 30, 2026

Episode Overview

This lively Friday episode of The Toast features sisters Jackie and Claudia Oshry engaging in their signature blend of pop culture commentary, reality TV recaps, personal updates, and witty banter. Titled "The Accidental Matriarch," the episode dives into discussions around the patriarchy versus matriarchy (and family naming), explores the hosts’ experiences with motherhood, and delivers their much-anticipated recaps of the latest episodes of Traitors and Tell Me Lies. The episode wraps up with their celebrated Queenie & Weenie segment.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Updates, Beauty Chat, and Patreon

(Timestamps: 00:22–01:55)

• Patreon Plug: Claudia hypes their busy press lives and promotes their Patreon, highlighting extra episodes and special segments.

  "It's our final episode of the month… If you're enjoying The Toast, which is free to listen to… we do Patreon. Five extra episodes a month…" (01:07 – B)

• Botox & Filler Update: Claudia and Jackie discuss recent cosmetic procedures, specifically the "Kiss" technique for lips, and Claudia's fresh round of Botox.

  "If you love my lips and want to tell your doctor, it's called a kiss." (02:28 – B)

• Motherhood & Sleep Struggles: Both share candid tales of interrupted sleep and baby feeding woes.

  "It's just, I don't… it could just be a spurt. So we'll see. We have been trying to get him to sleep in the crib…" (06:59 – A)

• Formula vs. Breastfeeding Anxiety: Daily realities of feeding decisions, freezer stash anxiety, and the social pressure associated with choosing formula.

  "I'm waiting for the episode of American Greed on it, you know? It's wild out there." (09:13 – B)

2. The Patriarchy, Matriarchy, & Family Names

(Timestamps: 11:08–15:42)

• Playful Discussion on Gender Structures: Jackie and Claudia deconstruct social terms with a mix of humor and honesty:

  "I don't like 100% know what the patriarchy is… I just feel like some people make the patriarchy and fudgeing it, their whole personality. And I'm like, girl, go back to work." (11:52 and 12:50 – B)

• Unintentional Matriarchs: Both reflect on how their lives are more matriarchal than they’d have predicted, thus coining the episode’s title.

  "We're just like the Accidental Matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course. And also our memoirs…" (15:34 – B)

• Debate Over Family Naming Traditions: Commentary on the patriarchal tradition of children receiving the father's surname, wrestling with tradition vs. modern practicality.

  "We carry, we feed, we do everything and we don't even get the name." (15:05 – B)

3. Pop Culture & TV Recaps

Fast 5 Stories

(Intro at 17:40)

A. Kendall Jenner & Devin Booker’s Flirty Super Bowl Campaign

(Timestamps: 20:11–25:39)

• Campaign Breakdown: Analysis of whether the exes' flirty banter is genuine or part of a Fanatics ad campaign. Claudia expresses suspicion about the lack of #ad disclosures.

  "Us guessing whether this is a paid endorsement violates FTC regulations. His comments should have said #ad…" (21:54 – B)

• Super Bowl Rollout Critiques: Uber Eats's and Fanatics’s media blitz dissected.

  "Uber Eats…they get amazing celebrities, but everything’s so unmemorable." (23:44 – B)

B. Justin Baldoni v. Blake Lively – The “It Ends With Us” Lawsuit

(Timestamps: 25:50–35:13)

• Blake Lively’s Leaked Voicemail: The hosts unpack a revealing voice memo left by Lively to Baldoni, with empathy and some playful judgment over her "corny" style.

  “She is just a corny millennial woman… but the message is actually…” (27:34 – B)

• Lawsuit & 'Final Cut' Drama: Claudia details how legal documents reveal Sony always planned a “bake off” (test screening) between versions by Baldoni and Lively—debunking the “movie theft” rumors.

  “There was always going to be a Bake Off…in the two key categories, he lost…fair and square to Blake Lively.” (31:48 – B)

• Matriarchal Side-Taking: Both hosts double down on supporting Lively, emphasizing the silencing of women in Hollywood.

C. Netflix’s New Dating Show: 'Age of Attraction'

(Timestamps: 35:27–40:44)

• Premise Discussion: Jackie and Claudia react to a dating show where participants' ages (22–59) are hidden until the end—hosted by Nick and Natalie Viall, themselves an age-gap couple.

  "It's kind of weird because you have eyes…" (36:17 – A) "Do you know who would've been perfect on this show? Jessica and Mark [from Love is Blind]." (36:32 – B)

• Conversation on Age Gaps: They debate how much age changes relationships, the pitfalls of casting, and the limits of “love is ageless” reality.

D. The Traitors: In-depth Recap

(Timestamps: 42:25–58:39)

• Lisa Rinna’s Meltdown & Elimination:
  • Rinna’s gameplay and emotional exit: "Lisa wasn't a great traitor…she dug her own grave at the round table by giving nothing." (46:18 – A)
• Rob’s Strategic Betrayal:
  • The hosts disagree about Rob’s (Love Island’s Rob) betrayal of Rinna:

    "I'm mad at Rob." (43:00 – A) "I actually just don't blame [him]...she was a liability." (47:39 – B)

• Gender Imbalance in Challenges:
  • Critique of the show’s physical challenges that favor men: "Donna Kelsey never stood a chance...of course you have a former NFL player." (45:26 – B)
• Inside Game Alliances & Betrayals:
  • The dominance of Colton and the physical "boys’ club" discussed, as well as the danger of faithful contestants being followers. The hosts humorously recount Jam Jam's dramatic exit.

    "Jam Jam was being like, taken away by the guards…like, Lisa! Oh my God. Me and Ben could not stop laughing." (54:44 – B)

E. Tell Me Lies: Recap

(Timestamps: 58:41–64:39)

• Plot Progress:
  • Focus on Wrigley and Bree's storyline, Steven’s toxicity, law school revenge plot themes.
• Pit-Inducing Drama:
  • "The whole show is so pit. They should call it Tell Me Pit. Give Me Pit." (59:53 – B)
• Commentary on Characters:
  • Praise for Wrigley and Evan, disdain for Molly and Steven’s manipulations, and reflections on the damaging effects the show’s characters have on each other.

4. Queenie & Weenie of the Week

(Timestamps: 64:39–65:36)

• Queenie:
  • Both agree: Queen Corgi

  "Let's just say it together... Queen Corgi." (64:50 – both)

• Weenie:
  • Claudia: "Pugcasso for beating me." (64:54 – B)
  • Jackie: Audience members who voted against Queenie

  "My weenie would be the audience members who voted for Pugcasso over Queenie because Pugcasso didn't do anything wrong…they hurt you." (65:08 – A)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We're just like the Accidental Matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course. And also our memoirs." — Claudia (15:34)
• "I wouldn't say I'm like pro patriarchy. I'm not gonna lie. I don't like 100% know what the patriarchy is." — Claudia (11:32)
• "Men used to go to war. And now the amount of tissues on his face..." — Claudia (06:28), on husbands with colds
• "I feel like once the band aid—ripping off the band aid is the hardest part [about formula feeding]." — Claudia (09:54)
• "Uber Eats…they get amazing celebrities, but everything’s so unmemorable." — Claudia (23:44)
• "I'm not mad at Rob because like, I felt it…Every time Lisa was accused, she could not have handled it—where she started, like, giggling, like, why don’t you just tell everyone you’re a traitor?" — Claudia (52:11)
• "The whole show is so pit—they should call it Tell Me Pit. Give Me Pit. It is so pit inducing." — Claudia (59:53)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:22 – Start of main banter, Patreon explanation, press life
• 02:12 – Botox & filler chat
• 06:59 – Motherhood sleep struggle updates
• 08:00 – Breastfeeding and formula dilemma
• 11:08 – Patriarchy, matriarchy, family names debate
• 17:40 – Fast 5 Stories kickoff
• 20:11 – Kendall Jenner/Devin Booker Super Bowl ad drama
• 25:50 – Baldoni/Lively lawsuit, voicemail, directing drama
• 35:27 – "Age of Attraction" Netflix dating show discussion
• 42:25 – "Traitors" segment begins (Rinna’s exit, Rob, game analysis)
• 58:41 – "Tell Me Lies" recap
• 64:39 – Queenie & Weenie of the Week

Episode Tone

Conversational, self-deprecating, irreverent, up-to-the-minute pop-culture savvy. Jackie and Claudia strike a balance of sarcasm, earnestness, and sisterly chaos, infusing every topic—be it feminism, reality TV, or nasal congestion—with humor and candor.

For listeners new and old, this episode is quintessential Toast: packed with timely recaps, honest motherhood anecdotes, spirited debate, witty one-liners, and the joy of sisters shooting the breeze about what matters most—toastily.