The Accidental Matriarch: Friday, January 30th, 2026

Summary

The Toast – Episode: "The Accidental Matriarch"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: January 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This lively Friday episode of The Toast features sisters Jackie and Claudia Oshry engaging in their signature blend of pop culture commentary, reality TV recaps, personal updates, and witty banter. Titled "The Accidental Matriarch," the episode dives into discussions around the patriarchy versus matriarchy (and family naming), explores the hosts’ experiences with motherhood, and delivers their much-anticipated recaps of the latest episodes of Traitors and Tell Me Lies. The episode wraps up with their celebrated Queenie & Weenie segment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Updates, Beauty Chat, and Patreon

(Timestamps: 00:22–01:55)

• Patreon Plug: Claudia hypes their busy press lives and promotes their Patreon, highlighting extra episodes and special segments.

  "It's our final episode of the month… If you're enjoying The Toast, which is free to listen to… we do Patreon. Five extra episodes a month…" (01:07 – B)

• Botox & Filler Update: Claudia and Jackie discuss recent cosmetic procedures, specifically the "Kiss" technique for lips, and Claudia's fresh round of Botox.

  "If you love my lips and want to tell your doctor, it's called a kiss." (02:28 – B)

• Motherhood & Sleep Struggles: Both share candid tales of interrupted sleep and baby feeding woes.

  "It's just, I don't… it could just be a spurt. So we'll see. We have been trying to get him to sleep in the crib…" (06:59 – A)

• Formula vs. Breastfeeding Anxiety: Daily realities of feeding decisions, freezer stash anxiety, and the social pressure associated with choosing formula.

  "I'm waiting for the episode of American Greed on it, you know? It's wild out there." (09:13 – B)

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2. The Patriarchy, Matriarchy, & Family Names

(Timestamps: 11:08–15:42)

• Playful Discussion on Gender Structures: Jackie and Claudia deconstruct social terms with a mix of humor and honesty:

  "I don't like 100% know what the patriarchy is… I just feel like some people make the patriarchy and fudgeing it, their whole personality. And I'm like, girl, go back to work." (11:52 and 12:50 – B)

• Unintentional Matriarchs: Both reflect on how their lives are more matriarchal than they’d have predicted, thus coining the episode’s title.

  "We're just like the Accidental Matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course. And also our memoirs…" (15:34 – B)

• Debate Over Family Naming Traditions: Commentary on the patriarchal tradition of children receiving the father's surname, wrestling with tradition vs. modern practicality.

  "We carry, we feed, we do everything and we don't even get the name." (15:05 – B)

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3. Pop Culture & TV Recaps

Fast 5 Stories

(Intro at 17:40)

A. Kendall Jenner & Devin Booker’s Flirty Super Bowl Campaign

(Timestamps: 20:11–25:39)

• Campaign Breakdown: Analysis of whether the exes' flirty banter is genuine or part of a Fanatics ad campaign. Claudia expresses suspicion about the lack of #ad disclosures.

  "Us guessing whether this is a paid endorsement violates FTC regulations. His comments should have said #ad…" (21:54 – B)

• Super Bowl Rollout Critiques: Uber Eats's and Fanatics’s media blitz dissected.

  "Uber Eats…they get amazing celebrities, but everything’s so unmemorable." (23:44 – B)

B. Justin Baldoni v. Blake Lively – The “It Ends With Us” Lawsuit

(Timestamps: 25:50–35:13)

• Blake Lively’s Leaked Voicemail: The hosts unpack a revealing voice memo left by Lively to Baldoni, with empathy and some playful judgment over her "corny" style.

  “She is just a corny millennial woman… but the message is actually…” (27:34 – B)

• Lawsuit & 'Final Cut' Drama: Claudia details how legal documents reveal Sony always planned a “bake off” (test screening) between versions by Baldoni and Lively—debunking the “movie theft” rumors.

  “There was always going to be a Bake Off…in the two key categories, he lost…fair and square to Blake Lively.” (31:48 – B)

• Matriarchal Side-Taking: Both hosts double down on supporting Lively, emphasizing the silencing of women in Hollywood.

C. Netflix’s New Dating Show: 'Age of Attraction'

(Timestamps: 35:27–40:44)

• Premise Discussion: Jackie and Claudia react to a dating show where participants' ages (22–59) are hidden until the end—hosted by Nick and Natalie Viall, themselves an age-gap couple.

  "It's kind of weird because you have eyes…" (36:17 – A) "Do you know who would've been perfect on this show? Jessica and Mark [from Love is Blind]." (36:32 – B)

• Conversation on Age Gaps: They debate how much age changes relationships, the pitfalls of casting, and the limits of “love is ageless” reality.

D. The Traitors: In-depth Recap

(Timestamps: 42:25–58:39)

• Lisa Rinna’s Meltdown & Elimination:
  • Rinna’s gameplay and emotional exit: "Lisa wasn't a great traitor…she dug her own grave at the round table by giving nothing." (46:18 – A)
• Rob’s Strategic Betrayal:
  • The hosts disagree about Rob’s (Love Island’s Rob) betrayal of Rinna:

    "I'm mad at Rob." (43:00 – A) "I actually just don't blame [him]...she was a liability." (47:39 – B)

• Gender Imbalance in Challenges:
  • Critique of the show’s physical challenges that favor men: "Donna Kelsey never stood a chance...of course you have a former NFL player." (45:26 – B)
• Inside Game Alliances & Betrayals:
  • The dominance of Colton and the physical "boys’ club" discussed, as well as the danger of faithful contestants being followers. The hosts humorously recount Jam Jam's dramatic exit.

    "Jam Jam was being like, taken away by the guards…like, Lisa! Oh my God. Me and Ben could not stop laughing." (54:44 – B)

E. Tell Me Lies: Recap

(Timestamps: 58:41–64:39)

• Plot Progress:
  • Focus on Wrigley and Bree's storyline, Steven’s toxicity, law school revenge plot themes.
• Pit-Inducing Drama:
  • "The whole show is so pit. They should call it Tell Me Pit. Give Me Pit." (59:53 – B)
• Commentary on Characters:
  • Praise for Wrigley and Evan, disdain for Molly and Steven’s manipulations, and reflections on the damaging effects the show’s characters have on each other.

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4. Queenie & Weenie of the Week

(Timestamps: 64:39–65:36)

• Queenie:
  • Both agree: Queen Corgi

  "Let's just say it together... Queen Corgi." (64:50 – both)

• Weenie:
  • Claudia: "Pugcasso for beating me." (64:54 – B)
  • Jackie: Audience members who voted against Queenie

  "My weenie would be the audience members who voted for Pugcasso over Queenie because Pugcasso didn't do anything wrong…they hurt you." (65:08 – A)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We're just like the Accidental Matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course. And also our memoirs." — Claudia (15:34)
• "I wouldn't say I'm like pro patriarchy. I'm not gonna lie. I don't like 100% know what the patriarchy is." — Claudia (11:32)
• "Men used to go to war. And now the amount of tissues on his face..." — Claudia (06:28), on husbands with colds
• "I feel like once the band aid—ripping off the band aid is the hardest part [about formula feeding]." — Claudia (09:54)
• "Uber Eats…they get amazing celebrities, but everything’s so unmemorable." — Claudia (23:44)
• "I'm not mad at Rob because like, I felt it…Every time Lisa was accused, she could not have handled it—where she started, like, giggling, like, why don’t you just tell everyone you’re a traitor?" — Claudia (52:11)
• "The whole show is so pit—they should call it Tell Me Pit. Give Me Pit. It is so pit inducing." — Claudia (59:53)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:22 – Start of main banter, Patreon explanation, press life
• 02:12 – Botox & filler chat
• 06:59 – Motherhood sleep struggle updates
• 08:00 – Breastfeeding and formula dilemma
• 11:08 – Patriarchy, matriarchy, family names debate
• 17:40 – Fast 5 Stories kickoff
• 20:11 – Kendall Jenner/Devin Booker Super Bowl ad drama
• 25:50 – Baldoni/Lively lawsuit, voicemail, directing drama
• 35:27 – "Age of Attraction" Netflix dating show discussion
• 42:25 – "Traitors" segment begins (Rinna’s exit, Rob, game analysis)
• 58:41 – "Tell Me Lies" recap
• 64:39 – Queenie & Weenie of the Week

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Episode Tone

Conversational, self-deprecating, irreverent, up-to-the-minute pop-culture savvy. Jackie and Claudia strike a balance of sarcasm, earnestness, and sisterly chaos, infusing every topic—be it feminism, reality TV, or nasal congestion—with humor and candor.

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For listeners new and old, this episode is quintessential Toast: packed with timely recaps, honest motherhood anecdotes, spirited debate, witty one-liners, and the joy of sisters shooting the breeze about what matters most—toastily.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies.

[B]

It's the Toast.

[A]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show.

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The best five things you need to know.

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We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[A]

They sound amazing.

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Welcome back to the Toast. Yay for Friday. Hey, Jacqueline, how you doing?

[A]

Good morning, Queen Corgi.

[B]

Good morning, Popper.

[A]

Jax, I guess.

[B]

Yeah. You're my loyal subject. Although you do seem very loyal.

[A]

I, first of all, as loyal I'm. I could not be more loyal as an individual.

[B]

Although I feel as though you're really only using me for Cub Corgi. Like you love Cub Corgi.

[A]

That's not true. Because I loved Queen Corgi before long, before I ever became Mama Corgi met Cub Corgi. I didn't meet Cub Corgi till two nights ago. Yeah, and I've been standing Queen Corgi since October.

[B]

You kind of had a busy day doing press interviews. Press this, press that. Everybody wanting in an interview with Queen Corey. She's very busy. That quirks.

[A]

Yeah. But she's really opening up to the press.

[B]

She's really opening up, but not as much as I plan on opening up. Right after today's episode, we're doing like a full in depth episode on my entire experience on the Masked Singer for Patreon. It'll be up today. It's our final episode of the month. And for anyone who might be new here, if you're enjoying the toast, which is free to listen to and will, you know, remain that way, how we, you know, keep this beautiful lights on, is we do Patreon. It is a subscription service. Every month. You can pay $7.99 per month to get five extra episodes from us. They vary every month. Lots of vlogs, lot lots of, you know, special segments. I love a little segments. We do Dear Toaster full episodes. We do more BTs with like, husbands, sisters, wives, things of that nature. Some of our hallmark segments. Naggy Wife. We're due for a Naggy Wife segment.

[A]

We are.

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All happens on Patreon. Five episodes a month. And you can also, you know, once you buy the subscription, you can go back and watch, you know, every video and podcast we've ever posted. The great chili Cook Offs.

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Hundreds of episodes. That's how we keep this maverick lighting on Q wrecked.

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So make sure to head over to patreon.com to check out the Master Singer BTS episode we will be recording later today. Well, let's talk about something. Let's Talk about my Botox and my filler. Because it's been a couple of days and I feel. I feel like I'm loving it.

[A]

I think you look great.

[B]

Yeah, your lips look great.

[A]

They look great because, like, they don't even look that change.

[B]

So what I believe I. I heard her talking about it, and then I was, like, watching Tick Tock. And apparently this is what, like the procedure, if you want to call it that, is called. It's called a kiss.

[A]

You told me that.

[B]

Oh, I did. Okay. So if anybody wants, like, you love my lips and you want to tell your doctor, it's called a kiss.

[A]

I guess I do. See, like, your upper lip.

[B]

Yeah. They really. They only put the needle in the top. My lip, like, to lift it a little bit, and then a little Botox under my nose. I feel like my smile has been so less gummy.

[A]

Like, I'm feeling a smile party.

[B]

Right. And, like, I can feel my forehead not moving.

[A]

You know, I'm so jealous. I was looking at my forehead today, and I was just counting down another day. Counting off the calendar.

[B]

Right? You're almost there.

[A]

You know what? I should make an appointment with a. Like, there was a person you wanted to get an appointment with, but you couldn't get an appointment for a few months. That's when I'll be ready.

[B]

Yes. I should make the appointment where I ended up going. I had the best experience. I highly recommend.

[A]

I probably would go there, but, like.

[B]

I'm glad that it worked out the way that it did.

[A]

But I am in a place to get a great appointment right now.

[B]

Yeah, you are. But, like, you. You don't know anyone who's like. Like, you can see me. Like I am.

[A]

I see you.

[B]

And I know you really don't see my calls, which is ugly.

[A]

I texted you last night. Good call.

[B]

I had a good call about someone from Traders reminding us of someone we know. It was a good call, right?

[A]

It was a good call. I wrote good call.

[B]

You also made a crazy call offline to me yesterday that I didn't really agree with. What did you say?

[A]

What did I say?

[B]

We were sitting on your couch and.

[A]

You said it was really out there.

[B]

It was like it was out there. It'll come to us. You made a call about, like, a celebrity who looks like someone.

[A]

What were we talking about?

[B]

We talk about everything. Like, we cover the gamut of all things. Okay, Today's episode is fabulous. We've got Traitor's Recap. We've got Queenie and Weenie.

[A]

We've got did you watch Tell me Lies?

[B]

I did.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

Oh, great.

[A]

Maybe we'll make that, like, a fourth story recap.

[B]

Was it the best episode ever? Because Steven was barely in it. I was, like, thinking, I'm like, why am I enjoying this episode so much? Like, I don't feel that dread, that pit. He was in it for two seconds. And of course, this seconds that he were in, it was, like, enough to make me want to kill him.

[A]

But there was something that was really. Oh, when he sent the pictures.

[B]

Yeah. Awful.

[A]

That was dreadful.

[B]

Love, Diana.

[A]

Like, I love her, but she's being an idiot.

[B]

Yeah. She's lost control. She had a lot of control last season keeping things from Steven. And this season, she, like, can't help but, like, rub his nose in. It's like, girl, you're not out of the woods yet.

[A]

No. And that was pit inducing. However, if someone, like, I feel like it's going to backfire on him, because why would a college, like, someone's ex sent them revenge, like, you? You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, it's a law school, and revenge porn is quite literally illegal.

[A]

So I hope that that does, like, backfire onto him.

[B]

There's quite literally nobody on this planet I hate more. Also, I liked the episode so much because it was so much Wrigley and Bray and obsessed. Like, I could not be more obsessed. They make me like, I'm kicking my.

[A]

Feet, like, and, like, Wrigley putting Stephen in his place a number of times. But, like, you could just see, like, Steven's really happy. He has no one to share it with, and he's, like, trying to be happy, and it's like, he's not really going to, like, have an equal and opposite reaction. When he realized, like, oh, I need my joy is, like, cruelty.

[B]

Yeah. And when he was, like, kind of tricking everyone to go out and celebrating him, I was like, seriously got the biggest ick. Like, could you be a big, bigger loser? Speaking of ick, I got the biggest ick last night from Ben. Okay. He was actually getting mad at me. Okay? So, like I told you, Ruby has a runny nose. So, like, this light little cold has been running through our house. Like, you could tell I have a little. I'm really fine. Ben got hit, like, with a true cold. His nose is so stuffed. You know, when, like, you can't pronounce, like, certain vowels and consonants? Like, instead of saying, like, I'm fine, he's like, I'm fine. You know, he was being so nasally in bed last night. Like, we Were trying to watch Traders. We were like getting snacks. We did go puff. Like we ordered some like, true fruit.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And he was like, what do you want? And I was just like, yucky. He was just me like. And I was like, I need you to stop talking. He was like, you're being so mean. I'm like, I'm sorry, but if you talk like that. And he was like, in my ear too. Being like eye clawing. Yeah, no, but it was worse than that. Like, my nose was really stuffy and I was like, okay, get away from me. Like, he was being so icky last night.

[A]

You know what's also icky about it? It's like you fought the same thing that he's fighting and Ruby's fought it. And it's like we're all taking him down. You're all stronger than you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I've been through this and it's like, not that. It's not that serious.

[B]

I've been where you are and it's like men used to go to war. And now the amount of tissues on his face.

[A]

Now you're getting a worse cold than me.

[B]

Oh. And then like, as I was falling asleep, I was on. In that phase of sleep where I'm just like, I'm La La land is.

[A]

What I call it.

[B]

What do I hear, like, blowing his nose? And I'm like, you are going to have to do that elsewhere. And then this morning he was like, I don't know if you heard, but like, I left the room last night in the middle of the night to go blow my nose. I'm like, well, the middle of the night is like, I probably would have slept through it, but right at like, you know, 1047 is when you need to leave the room. It was just kind of a crazy night in my house.

[A]

That is crazy. It's a crazy night in my house. Max is like sleeping like a newborn again. Like eating every three hours. That's. It's just. I don't. It could just be like. It could just be like a spurt. So we'll see. Because we like have been trying to get him to sleep in the crib. It might have to be go. Go back to co sleeping. Because that's not. That couldn't work. Like, we get better stretches when we all sleep together.

[B]

You gotta look out for number one. Yeah.

[A]

Like we were getting better sleep a few weeks ago than we are now, so.

[B]

But I also do feel like that just sometimes happens. Like you're. It's not linear. It is linear. But there are, like, little divots, and maybe you're just gonna divot.

[A]

I. Perhaps. And I'm fine with that. And I'm willing to, like, ride it right off the weekend to a degree. But, like, every three hours, like 10, 3, 6, 30. Like, no, it's not gonna work so well. We gotta switch it up.

[B]

Shake it up, Chicago girlfriend.

[A]

I think I'm gonna shake up some things. I was gonna talk to you about it.

[B]

Like, our schedule.

[A]

No, no, no, no. My feeding.

[B]

Oh, okay. I would love to talk about it.

[A]

No, I'm just like, no, I'm not. It's not a fully. It's not a full thought.

[B]

Oh, are you thinking maybe starting combination.

[A]

Like, maybe just before?

[B]

Yes. By the way, that's why. That's how a lot of people. But the thing about breast milk that's so beautiful is that it digests so quickly because it's so natural. It's very sensitive on the baby's stomach, and that's great. But that means they get hungry again quicker. So a lot of people just introduce formula at night.

[A]

Well, because also, like, when he's feeding all night, then when I pump in the morning, I always pump to get out the extra, and there's not that much extra. Two weeks ago, when I would pump to get out the extra, I was getting, like, 10 ounces.

[B]

Yeah, but you're also just regulating, like, it's now the time.

[A]

What, for a bottle while I'm gone and then some for the freezer. Today I had to take out of the freezer for while I'm gone.

[B]

Oh, I've so been where you are.

[A]

Because I'm feeding throughout the night. But if we don't feed in the night, then I pump in the morning. I get plenty for the day.

[B]

I love formula at night. Like, do it. It's serious.

[A]

I'm just. I'm thinking about it. We'll see how the next few days goes. But I'm just like. I'm not taking from the back freezer. I didn't take from even the front freezer.

[B]

You start, like when you're still breastfeeding and you're actively dipping into your own stash. Like, it's so traumatizing. It's really when your milk starts to regulate. That's exactly what happened to me.

[A]

My milk is regulated because I was never a pumper. But now that we're eating more at night, that takes away from what I'm producing during the day. I hear you, and I need to, like, reverse it.

[B]

Yeah, uno.

[A]

Reverse.

[B]

1000%. You know, I have a can of formula that I leave at your house. Go for it.

[A]

I don't know what I'm going to use.

[B]

I know the formula wars.

[A]

Yeah. It's wild out there.

[B]

I'm waiting for, like, the episode of American Greed, you know?

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Like, it's so crazy out here.

[A]

I know. It's such a hard choice.

[B]

I know. Even though, like, then once you do it, it's like, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like now if, like, I was stuck in it because, you know, I realized on a tik tok, somebody said, like, you know, they don't sell any formula at airports, which is actually crazy. Like, they should sell formula. They don't sell diapers either. There should be, like, a vending machine. Like, there's Kylie Cosmetics, you. So if I was, like, in an emergency, and I feel like now I'm. When I was choosing formula, I was like, I have to do. Look at all the studies. Now I'm like, put it in the bottle. Like, I would take anything.

[A]

What does it have to do with the airport?

[B]

Like, if I was in an emergency.

[A]

In the airport, so what would you do?

[B]

And someone was like, well, here I have whatever. I'd be like, yeah, sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like once the band aid. Ripping off the band aid is the hardest part. Like, if you've never given formula.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Once you have it, whatever. No.

[A]

And I have in the past, and we use the same one the last two times, and, like, it was good. So I don't know why I'm. I might not do it again. I don't know.

[B]

It's a big decision, feeding.

[A]

I think about such a big decision.

[B]

I think about what I'm going to eat so thoroughly. Like, I'm always thinking about what I'm going to eat. The amount of thought that goes into my own appetite.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Huge.

[A]

And it wouldn't make sense for us to do different formulas because we're always, like, sharing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Goods.

[B]

Yeah. It would just be more convenient for me since I literally post up at your house all the time these days, if you could just, like, be on my journey as well.

[A]

Yeah. But Rue, he's not picky.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

If I switch, he'd switch.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, 1,000%. That's what I'm saying. Like, I could put anything in his bottle.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Because he's not a picky ru.

[B]

No. Unlike his mama. Well, today's episode, it's like his father. Yes, exactly.

[A]

It's very adventurous vacuum. He'll try all formulas from all corners of the world.

[B]

Yes. Vacuum. We have so much to do today. We've got Queenie and Weenie. We've got traitors.

[A]

We actually can daily dally. We have like two TV recaps, Queenie. And we're recording a patreon after.

[B]

It's like we have. Let's get down to business.

[A]

The girls want to the Hun.

[B]

Yeah, I know, but like, we're not defeating the Hun here at the toes. Who do we defeat here every day? The patriarchy. I love that we. I feel like we are the patriarchy. You feel that?

[A]

I feel like we're actually like low key defeating the patriarchy, like, while also trying to uphold it. Do you know what I mean? No, like, go on. We're pro patriarchy in essence. Right?

[B]

Yeah. Like, I work.

[A]

It's like a patriarchal society, you know.

[B]

I wouldn't say I'm like pro patriarchy. I'm not gonna lie. I don't like 100% know what the patriarchy is. I know it's like men who built this country, keeping those, like, woman hating systems in place. And I do think there are like, some of those, like, woman hating systems are just low key, like, better lives for women. Like, I don't. I don't love. I love my job, obviously, but, like, I would have loved also, like, not to have to work.

[A]

Right. That would be the patriarchy that kept you in the home. Which.

[B]

Yeah, which I love my home. So, yeah, I'm sort of like teetering on. I can't decide whether the patriarchy's so.

[A]

Well, I think, like, it gets a really bad rap. But I think like, when you.

[B]

I also sometimes like an Internet, we. Sorry. I think Internet speak, they confuse the patriarchy with like, government.

[A]

Do you know, a system of government in which the father or elder male is the head of the family and descent is traced through the male line. That's literally like what we live in.

[B]

Like, right? But yeah, I guess because, like.

[A]

Yeah, so it's like we're pro patriarchy, like, where the father would be the head of the family. Sure, yeah, yeah. However, like, we're actually up.

[B]

Like, we just found ourselves like in a matriarchy, in a matriarchal. Like, I didn't set out to be a matriarch, yet here. I'm such a matriarch.

[A]

I didn't set out to fudge the patriarchy, yet here we are fucking it. Fudgeing the patriarchy. Yeah, unintentionally, you know, that's what I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. That's really quite beautiful. Yeah.

[A]

So everyone wants to fix that.

[B]

I just think also, I find, like, the word patriarchy, the way some people feel about moist. You know, I feel. I just feel like some people make the patriarchy, like, and fudgeing it, like, their whole personality. And I'm like, girl, go back to work. Like, I just. I find, like, patriarchy verbiage, like an Internet. Like, I find it annoying. So I'm not with them.

[A]

No, it's. It's taking on a meaning of its own, but, like, actually definition. It's just a government in which. And it is a patriarchy, so it is the government.

[B]

Okay. I was wrong about that.

[A]

Like, a society in which, like, the men are. Hold the power. Yeah.

[B]

I guess, like, we've quite literally never had a female president. Like, that's really crazy.

[A]

Yeah. No, but also, like, think about your kids. They have your husband's last name that it's traced through the male line.

[B]

But here's the thing. Like, if I had made, like, a really big stink, like, I could have gotten Ruby's last name to be Ashley. Like, I could have fought my way.

[A]

We've had this conversation. I think we had it with Ben on the toes.

[B]

Yeah, we did. When we were in the Hamptons, and he was, like, not down, but if I. Like, if I sat him down and I really worked on it, like, I could have gotten it. I think it's nice. Like, I have no problem with it not being my last name.

[A]

I actually think, like, I have no. Like, this is how it is now. But I do think, like, if I.

[B]

We're nearing the end of that, like, I think that will change in the next hundred years.

[A]

Yeah. It doesn't. It, like, to me, it doesn't make a ton of sense.

[B]

Yeah. We have said this when we do Dear Toasters, because a lot of girls write in being like, you know, it's hard to change your name, and they feel conflicted. Sometimes someone's last name is, like, duty or whatever. And we always say it really shouldn't be a gendered issue. It's not like it's automatically the man or it's automatically the woman. I think, like, some names. Sorry, like, are better than others. Sonically. Some names have a lot of history. I think there's a lot of factors that go into it, and the family should just decide.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Based on lots of different factors. You know, how does it look? Initials, like, things of that. You know, some shallow. Like, you know, I don't like that last name or you know, or we had, you know, a famous uncle.

[A]

No, I think there should be, like, reasons. But it's like the woman carries the child. Like maternity, that's paternity maternity is established, you know, like it's.

[B]

Oh, yeah. So if it has, you know, if I carry the baby and the baby has my last name, like, who is this man?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I do feel like that is classic patriarchy. Like, we carry, we feed, we do everything and we don't even get the name.

[A]

Yeah. So that's like. I don't love that one.

[B]

Me neither.

[A]

But I'll accept it, you know, like, it's been this way for hundreds of years. Like, I don't necessarily think it should change now. I think that would be really confusing.

[B]

Yeah. I think people who hate the patriarchy, like, want to just get rid of everything, like, since the dawn of time. And I do feel like connected to the woman of yore because we're still doing some of the same things. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[A]

Like, we're. We're so matriarchal beyond in our lives. I don't even think we realize. But it's like we didn't, like, choose.

[B]

We're just like the Accidental Matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course. And also our memoirs, the Accidental Matriarch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Please. I just. I love my job. I earn a great living. If I had it my druthers, like, I would just be a kept woman.

[A]

So.

[B]

Especially since I had a baby. I'm so tired. But I love my job and I'm never gonna quit.

[A]

Yeah, but it's like accidental, like, here we are like, you know, busting patriarch busters.

[B]

I wish it was a way to like, find a TikTok that you saw this morning that, like, stuck with you. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

Like, oh, my God. And the ones that I save because I think they're gonna stick with me, I never go back for. And the ones that stick with me, I didn't save.

[B]

Maybe if I liked it. I don't like stuff on TikTok. I just scroll. But if you like it, there's like a liked section. Let me see. Fuck, no. It was this like video of this like 100 year old farmer being like, why women should stay home. And it wasn't like stereotypical, like, make me a sandwich. It was like, women need to stay home so they can take bubble baths and live luxuriously and not get wrinkles. And it Was like, yes, actually. And the comments were like, farmer. And the comments were like, and if that was my husband, I would want to make him a sandwich. I would want to keep a nice home.

[A]

Sandwiches come true.

[B]

So the way that men talk about women staying home, it was all like for their own benefit. It's like, well, off, I'm going to work. But if the men were like, I need my woman to stay home so she can be happy and healthy and thrive, well, you know what? I would want to make the bed for you for when you get back, you know? So I just think maybe the way we talk to one another has a lot to do with it as well.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Not be like, my woman stays home and she wipes my ass and she cleans my toilets and she makes me a sandwich.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, well, no.

[A]

Why do you have that accent?

[B]

Because the guy in the video did like dead ass. He was like. He was a big, like, big ass farmer.

[A]

Well, I love that deer farmer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bring back to your farmer.

[B]

Bring back sea farm. What happened to them? They were like one of our biggest sponsors.

[A]

Kind of like they're just like laying low, I guess.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But they sponsored deer toasters and we called it deer farmer and that's just toasty lines.

[B]

We should have changed it like permanently, permanently to the deer farmer segment.

[A]

We should give it a toasty lions.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's get into the stories. Okay, without further ado, Da du dat do it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you that do need to know.

[B]

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[A]

Thank you Koji. Our first story Exes Kendall Jenner and Devin Booker are raising eyebrows with a flower flirty exchange over the super bowl ad. So we talked about Kendall's fanatics Super bowl ad. There's Been like more rollout. She went on Jimmy Kimmel and like facetime.

[B]

That was Fallon.

[A]

She went on Jimmy and she facetimed Tom Brady and they're like doing more shtick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Super bowl and fanatics.

[B]

And Tom Brady, like, is a fanatics investor. He's like a og.

[A]

Yeah. So then Devin Booker, she said that she thought that the Seahawks were going to win the Super Bowl. She was like asked to like, you know, who's she going to bet on? Whatever. He commented on that. He said, I bet a million. The Seahawks get that ring before you do at Kendall Jenner with like the blushing, very girly emoji.

[B]

Like, oh, I know that one. Spirit fingers.

[A]

Yeah. That's not like for a big man, but okay. And then she wrote back at D book, rolling eyes, emoji. How's the ankle? And he wrote back, come rub it.

[B]

He's welcome properly. Thank God for that.

[A]

Thank God for that. So people were like, what in the Is this shtick?

[B]

The people were confused whether this was like a real, like, comment that he left or like part of the campaign.

[A]

So it seems like it's part of the campaign because he also posted a story in support of fanatics. So it seems like he's in the fanatics family and they're like bantering and getting paid to banter. However, I don't think it's part of anyone's media and marketing strategy to say, come rob it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I feel like his initial comment, like, I bet a million was a little mean. That ring, by the way, was mean. But also he's like betting. He's still like making about fanatics.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they went rogue.

[B]

I just feel like he went off.

[A]

Script her to rub his ankle.

[B]

The thing is, is not to be such a narc because I was loving this campaign and I still am. But, you know, I get in trouble when I don't do, like hashtag ad and stuff like that. You know, you can get sued by the ftc. And I feel like us like guessing whether or not this is like a paid endorsement just does violate FTC regulations. His comments should have had to said, you know better than before you do at Kendall Jenner, hashtag ad because it is confusing. I just. Sorry to be an arc.

[A]

Yeah. But I guess when you're the spokesperson for a company, you can sometimes like post in support of them and it's not paid.

[B]

Yes, but we didn't know Devin Booker.

[A]

Like, no, but he had something on his story, like, about fanatics.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Chart or whatever. Like, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Also, like, I'm finding this whole campaign.

[A]

Like, less and less requires me to watch a video from Jimmy of Kendall FaceTiming Tom Brady. I actually didn't watch it because I don't care.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, all the positive, like, fun feelings that I had on Monday or whenever we talked about it, like, they are lessening. It was still a great commercial. But, like, you know, I don't know, Kendall was being like, you know, nerd on valid. Like, I'm just like, I'm liking it less.

[A]

Yeah. It's just a lot to consume, you know, I don't want to have to keep up. I don't want to feel like I missed something.

[B]

Yeah. And I know we were like, waiting for a follow up commercial perhaps on the actual day of the super bowl and that I would have been fine and fun with.

[A]

It's like it felt like her spot on Jimmy was sponsored by fanatics.

[B]

It like, was.

[A]

It's a lot to keep up with and I don't want to do that much keeping up at the moment. Yeah. I've seen some other role make it easy for me.

[B]

I've seen some other rollouts and it pains me because I'm about to say something negative about Uber Eats, which is probably my most used application. But I feel like they often fall into like the trope of just like.

[A]

Like, throw money at it.

[B]

Throw money. Throw celebrities with, like, really unmemorable commercials. And they probably spend the most. They're one of the brands that spends the most money every year on the super bowl. And like, they've already started their rollout with like, Parker Posey. It's just like very topical, very white lotus.

[A]

And it's just like, it's a little stated.

[B]

Yes, for sure. I remember, like, they had like Ross and Rachel from Friends, so they get like amazing celebrities, but everything's so unmemorable. I feel like they really, like, they need to do something different. They're always just doing the same formula and I feel like it's not memorable. They spend so much money. They just like, try and get the most most famous person that they could possibly get and it's like, okay.

[A]

Yeah. And there's so much you could do. It's not like a hard brand to advertise for.

[B]

No. And I love UberEats. It's my favorite.

[A]

Well, that's a fair criticism.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you ready for our next?

[B]

And the commercial was so corny. It was like. Well, it was like her being very, you know, Parker Posey, like, football is like, okay. She doesn't talk like that. She was saying how football is, like, so food coded, you know? Jerry Rice. Yeah. And then I don't know the other players that she named, but they all had, like, food in there. And I was like, oh, yummy. Yeah. It was so, like, written by a third grader.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, she. They need to hire the fanatics writer who wrote that Kendall commercial. Yeah, the commercial is still great. The Cheese Stands Alone. But like everything else, I could live without.

[A]

What's the Cheese Stands Alone?

[B]

Ben is always saying it. I realized this morning that I literally.

[A]

Titled our episode because I was running out the door, so I couldn't really think of a title, and you suggested it, so I thought I. I just assume that's what everyone.

[B]

She stands alone is a phrase from the final verse of a children's nursery rhyme and game. Oh, the farmer in the dell. The cheese stands alone. Yes.

[A]

Okay. I endorse.

[B]

It's cute. That's why maybe I know it now more than ever. Maybe Ben's been singing it, like, in his nursery roundup, you know, in his roundup. Perhaps.

[A]

That's beautiful.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

I thought it was gonna be, like, something stupid from Tick Tock. That's actually really sweet. I endorse our title from the other day.

[B]

You think so little of me, sweet sister. And once again, the cheese Stands alone. Imagine if we made the title the Cheese Stands Alone Again. The Cheese Stands Alone, Part two.

[A]

I'd be. I'd be down if it didn't have.

[B]

The perfect title, the Accidental Matriarch.

[A]

That would actually. The Accidental Matriarchs is what this show.

[B]

Should be called 1000%. If we ever rebrand somebody write that down. Like, that's the title.

[A]

But I also like it for a memoir or.

[B]

It sounds like a book that gets turned into a movie.

[A]

It sounds like.

[B]

And then a multi million dollar lawsuit. Oh, I saw Tick Tock today. So I was telling Jackie before.

[A]

Oh, we can do this story next.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

About Justin Baldoni.

[B]

I feel like I've been doing a lot of research on Baldoni v. Lively, and I know people are over it. I mean, that's just not gonna work for me because I feel like I've sort of fallen on the sword of Blake Lively, and up until recently, they've been sort of laying dormant. And I wasn't 100 sure if I was right. And I was, like, gonna stop talking about it because I feel like maybe I, like, went too far and I would have had to backtrack. And I just want to say, like, Prepare to be sick of me. I am now sure more than ever that I'm team Blake Lively. I just want to say that.

[A]

So a voicemail was unsealed to Corny from Blake to Justin Baldoni before making it ends with us in the voice message.

[B]

And she's got some real nerve leaving like minutes long voice memo for a co worker. It's. It's inappropriate. It's. She is insufferable.

[A]

Sent on February 2023. February 8, 2023, she spoke openly about feeling overwhelmed as she prepared to return to work. While juggling back to back projects and newborn and family obligations. She said I'm talking to you as a friend at this point, more than anything, she explained that she was already committed to filming another project first. Despite feeling physically and emotionally stretched thin. She said, the only reason that I'm doing that movie before is because I gave them my word and I wouldn't go back on that. But having a week off in between, it's just a lot. She described the stress of returning to work without adequate care child, adequate child care support. I still don't have a baby nurse, she said, adding that the idea of going back to work so soon felt overwhelming.

[B]

Literally me on the Masked Singer.

[A]

Literally me today.

[B]

Like literally, like actually relatable. I don't know why the she's telling this to her like soon to be boss.

[A]

Yeah. She said shooting in April, shooting in March is just too soon after having a baby and not sleeping and wanting to be in my best shape. This is literally me you guys play about us.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

Obviously she said they're selfish reasons. I'm telling you this. If by chance you're like, oh my God, if I could go two weeks earlier, that would actually be great then amazing.

[B]

Oh, this is like kind of sad.

[A]

Yeah. Wait, what's cringe about this?

[B]

Just like her voice, everything that she releases, her text, like, like she is just a corny millennial woman. So she's like the way she speaks is very cheugy and corny, but the message is actually.

[A]

And then she said earnestly, she said this is my social interaction these days. Just talking into voice memos. So like now this is like the.

[B]

The voice memo of like a sad, desperate woman.

[A]

But like this is why we need the patriarchy because this woman shouldn't be.

[B]

Working a thousand percent. So if you're having a woman who like needs to work, this is like yeah.

[A]

If she didn't feel like the societal pressure to work because what she doesn't do a new a Movie because she had a baby, and then she's put out to pasture because she didn't get on the circuit and everyone forgets about her. On women.

[B]

No. It's a tale as old as time. And no matter what industry you're in, like, you're getting passed up for shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you took three days off.

[A]

If you take to nurse your baby, if you take too long off, we can't even take a longer maternity because everyone will move on.

[B]

No, it's so true. Find another pop culture podcast that they love.

[A]

The thing is, like, that is true.

[B]

Yeah, it is. And it's like, not people's fault. Like, they gotta live. They gotta listen to podcasts. Like, no, it's terrible. Like, we will be bleeding out here. And then we also get accused of, like, taking too long. Like, I can. So I actually quite deeply relate to Blake in this voice memo. It is just. I think the shock value is really still not wearing off for people. Like, with reading Taylor's text messages. These are things. Why would we ever expect to hear, like a mega celebrity's voice memo when.

[A]

The point of voice memo, we said, like, to disappear and it's like, oh, your courts could. Your text could end up in court. Let's send voice memos.

[B]

Oh, but like, I thought they disappear.

[A]

And he obviously kept it.

[B]

And nefarious people who keep voice memos are not your friend voice memos.

[A]

I know when someone keeps my voice memo.

[B]

I'm like, why?

[A]

I didn't even say anything.

[B]

So I really. I'm gonna call out by name. Remy Bader keeps all my voice memos. And I just like, voice memo her because we're like, gossiping and stuff. And I'm like, why do you keep keeping them? And she's like, it's like a setting I don't know how to turn off. Oh, I feel like Shannon.

[A]

I feel like Shannon keeps them.

[B]

So I think it's a setting and like, Shannon, Remy, turn it off.

[A]

Because I'm just like, was that so interesting that you want to ever hear it again or.

[B]

It was like when I used to send them a lot when I was breastfeeding because I only had one hand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like, I'm just gossiping, but stop.

[A]

No, sometimes I'm just explaining something. It's actually more boring. That's why it needs to be explained. It's actually not like ratata. So I can do ratata over talk to text.

[B]

Oh, I could ratata with the best.

[A]

Of them, but I can't do talk to Text. When I have some, like, boring, nuanced things to say.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's when I do my voice memo. They're not even that interesting. So, like, why are you keeping it? Do you ever want to listen to it again?

[B]

I think there is a setting that automatically keep. Automatically keeps them.

[A]

I'll keep Shannon Grace.

[B]

Yeah. I'll give Remy Grace. But I think Justin Baldoni keeping them as nefarious.

[A]

Yeah. So also what I was going to say is sometimes, like, you put, like, the worst in the voice note because you think that it'll disappear. It will disappear. Like, when you don't want to say, put something in writing. You say it. But now knowing, like.

[B]

Yeah, I think we're all moving differently technologically ever since this lawsuit. And, like, all the evidence has started to come out.

[A]

Yeah. I'll be meeting you in person if you want to talk.

[B]

Yes. If I have something crazy to say, like, let's go off the grid.

[A]

Yeah. You can come down to Florida.

[B]

Yeah. And we'll take a drive and we.

[A]

Can talk about it.

[B]

So a lot of evidence that has. It's so funny because so much like, documents were released that it's. Everything is still very slowly being unsealed and not unsealed, but, like, sort of made public. And I think we talked a lot last week about the cut of the movie. Right. Like, Sony, why were there two? And so it's now been confirmed via documents that Justin Baldoni's contract with Sony, there was always going to be a Bake Off. He did not get final cut of the movie. Sony was worried about giving this huge budget. They gave him $25 million.

[A]

Did they call it a Bake Off?

[B]

It's called a Bake Off. That's what it is when there are multiple edits of a film and then the best tested one moves forward. So this whole time, it's been sort of alleged that Blake stole the movie and she made her own cut. Like going Rogue with Ben Affleck. Well, no, Justin Baldoni never had final cut of the movie. His contract with Wayfarer is now, like, public. He never had final cut. There was always gonna be a Bake Off. He was able to put forth his own final version. And then there were agreed upon. They were gonna do the testing. And then there were agreed upon categories. There was, like, you know, under 35, women 18 and older. And so there were two key categories that he had to win in the Bake off to get his cut made. And he lost both of them, like, fair and square to Blake Lively. Blake Lively's cut is Sony's cut. So Sony gets a cut and Justin Baldoni get a cut. I'm not 100% sure why Sony's cut. They went to Blake Lively. But they did. Colleen Hoover endorsed it.

[A]

Wait, and all this time we thought Justin's cut one, the Blakes went to theater. Well, actually, we thought Justin's cut one and Justin's went to theater. Now it turns out, no, we thought.

[B]

But up until last week we thought that, like, his was better, but Sony went with hers.

[A]

Why?

[B]

No, hers was better in the two key categories that before all this drama, Justin signed his contract saying, yes, I want to, I will win these two categories if my cut. So it kind of makes sense because Justin was this sort of green director. They gave him the budget. And you know what, like, say what you want about Blake Lively. Like, her cut went on to make $350 million. Colleen Hoover said she thought it was better. It told the story better. Colleen Hoover also, like, there are emails coming out now that she was like, having problems with Justin. Like, before Blake was even cast. Cass, like, he cut her out when she sold the rights to whoever it was Sony, she had said, like, she had been burned in the past by like some of her works, like them cutting her out. And so she wanted to be more involved. There's like an email of her just like sort of pleading, being like, I'd like to be more involved in the script writing process. And Justin like totally cut her out and like, was holding events with like fans to work on the script excuse. And he invited Colleen but told her not to speak. Isn't that weird?

[A]

That is weird.

[B]

Silencing women.

[A]

Just write the script, you know?

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Just write the script. And also it's based on a book. It's pretty much written for you.

[B]

So, like, I think Colleen endorsing Sony, Blake's version and then Blake winning it was like sort of a no brainer. But so a lot of misinformation when it comes to the cut. And I'll acknowledge, like, I also was misinformed.

[A]

Yeah. But that's all good to know.

[B]

Very interesting.

[A]

So it's, the whole thing is that it's less of a stolen movie. It's more of like that she wanted.

[B]

Right. And I think Justin really needs to legally prove that Blake stole the movie because if that's the case, then he wouldn't have been capable of harassing her because she was not his subordinate, you know, and that's what his countersuit was about. But it got thrown Out. So he really needs to prove that Blake stole the movie, like, legally, in order to be free of any alleged harassment. Because you can't harass someone who's not. Like, it's not harassment in the workplace if it's not your subordinate.

[A]

Well, that's not true.

[B]

I think that's, like, what the legal claim he's taking is. You could harass your boss thousand percent. Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you for that. I feel like, like, no.

[B]

And I'm feeling.

[A]

Getting closer to clarity.

[B]

Yeah. And the lawsuit hasn't even started yet. I just, like. Like, I was teetering. Like, I wasn't 100 sure if I was right about Blake Lavie. And I was like, have I made a grave error? And that's why I did stop talking about it. And when the loss for two days. No, no. Like, we took, like, over the summer. Like, there was. Oh, there's been a huge break.

[A]

You meant, like, since last week?

[B]

No, and then, like, since last week, I've been feeling more like, I. I really don't. I don't think Justin Baldoni is, like, this big victim that everyone. Like, all these people think he is. Like, I think, like, he was a freak. There's so many women on record. I feel like that whole thing is getting pushed aside. All the women on record, you know, his former podcast hosts need to interview her. Like, she is the most interesting woman in the world to me.

[A]

What did she say?

[B]

Remember, she just, like, quit being, like, toxic masculinity.

[A]

Yeah, but I thought she quit, like, when he was getting canceled. Yes. She supported him for years. Right.

[B]

So is it just, like, you couldn't take the heat, or do you have something to say, Liz Plank?

[A]

Okay. I was. For me, it was giving weenie energy. Yeah, but it could be giving victim energy.

[B]

Right. So there's. There's the young Lily, whose actress's name I can never remember. I'm so sorry. Of course. Blake Lively, Jenny Slate, the podcast host, Colleen, like, saying that she was being silenced. Yeah. I'm feeling more sure than ever. Like, I'm ready to be the villain of this story. Like, I am not. I'm not Team Justin Baldoni. Like, I stand firmly. Like, prepare to be sick of me. I've done the research, and I'm matriarch. Yeah. Look at me.

[A]

Accidental.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just think it's been so easy to, like, Blake live. Like, she. Sure, she's annoying. That's that being the headline. She's a weenie. She's insufferable. She talks weird. Her and Taylor Swift, like, took down. Yeah, whatever. Our next sexually harass anyone. Okay.

[A]

Netflix's new dating show Age of Attraction keeps contestants real age under wraps. The trailer just dropped for a new Netflix show called Age of Attraction that is hosted by Nick Viall and Natalie Joy Viall. Because they have an age gap.

[B]

Crazy age gap. How about what's the difference?

[A]

She is. It's an 18 year age gap, but it just feels so much smaller because.

[B]

He'S, he's a podcaster, so he's like in a young man's game.

[A]

Well, he looks young, seems younger, and she seems right.

[B]

She's like a mother already. That was a mother very young. But it's still so crazy.

[A]

Yeah. So they're the perfect hosts for this show.

[B]

They are.

[A]

That's called Age of Attraction. So it's a bunch of people ages 22 to 59 and they like, you know, rotate, date each other and fall in love and then they don't find out each other's ages until the end.

[B]

It's giving season one of Love is Blind. Like, it kind of sounds like an amazing idea.

[A]

I just want to say like, like it's, it's kind of weird because like, you, you have eyes. Well, yeah, you might not know someone's exact age, but like you can see if they are older or younger.

[B]

Do you know who, like, would have been perfect on this show?

[A]

Who?

[B]

Jessica and Mark.

[A]

Oh, yeah, from Love is Blind.

[B]

Like, because they were two people who couldn't get past age. And I think sometimes that does happen.

[A]

But they were like so similar in age. Like how different were they A couple that the trailer focuses on where he's clearly younger and she's clearly older. And then like, like they're. And she was like, typically, if I had met you, I would have set you up with my daughter. Did you watch a trailer?

[B]

No.

[A]

And then at the end it's like we're gonna share each other's ages, but it's like we have eyes. You are.

[B]

What are the age gaps again?

[A]

22 all the way to 59.

[B]

Yeah. I don't love like a 22 year old girl being with a 59 year old man. There is like an element of ick here, but it's.

[A]

Everyone has eyes is what I'm saying. Like, yeah, you could see that someone's older or younger. You might be able to guess their.

[B]

Exact age, but within what, like five years? You think you'd be able to guess.

[A]

Like five to 10. If you in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, like, it's not that crazy.

[B]

It's not blind.

[A]

And then at the end, they're going to say their age. And how different could your age be from what you really.

[B]

Well, let's see. Maybe they cast people. Maybe that's what, like, the casting director was looking for. Like, people who really don't look their age. There are people like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When I went to the dermatologist to get my Botox, I was like, how old are you? She looked amazing. She was an amazing, you know, advertisement for herself because she was 44. I'm like, you look my age.

[A]

That was like, me when I was at, you know, the restaurant and they said. Said I looked 18.

[B]

Where? When was that?

[A]

You were there. I don't remember I was talking about it, but I. I chalk it up to the pads.

[B]

What restaurant were we at?

[A]

The club. We were in the club. We're at the club.

[B]

I don't remember.

[A]

We were in the club. It was a few weeks ago.

[B]

Oh, you remember something from a few weeks ago?

[A]

No. And it was like, for me.

[B]

I believe you.

[A]

And that's what they said.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And whenever, like, people see me, they think I'm very.

[B]

Yeah, I think that actually that is true.

[A]

Yeah. You do.

[B]

Like, your fair skin, your light hair. Like, definitely. People think, like, I'm always older than you.

[A]

People think I'm younger than I am.

[B]

You're also, like, out. And not here, of course, but, like, out in the world. Like, you're kind of not shy, but quieter. So that also, like, people thinking, like, she's shy, she's young.

[A]

Just like a little girl. You're giving little girl 100.

[B]

Little girl, accidental matriarch.

[A]

But the show, like, is gonna be great in terms of, like, reality tv. And I'm imagining there's a big twist because. So there's.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

There has to be, like, this guy has to be literally 22 years old. But I'm glad that that's, like, the main.

[B]

You know, who they would have cast back in the day? Like, Taylor Hicks. Remember the guy who won American Idol, who was, like, 22 and had a full head of gray hair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People like that. There are people. And I'm sure the casting team, like, that this was an important show, like, in terms of casting, I think they probably spent a long time, like, looking for certain people.

[A]

Yeah. For old people who look younger and young people who look older. So everyone thinks they're similar in age, but then they're not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that it's, like, a good premise Though, because I think if you can relate on, like, things and then you find out each other's age, well, it's like, we already related. Age isn't as big of a thing as looks. Unless.

[B]

Right. It's pretty big, really. Sometimes, like, you really like someone, but like, their age is just like.

[A]

Well, unless it's about, like, then kids and stuff. Like, if that person is a younger.

[B]

Person, you're divorced and you don't want to marry someone who's already been married. Like that.

[A]

That's something that would come up in the conversations of falling in love. Like your history and stuff.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know, but just like the lifestyle of wanting kids if you're with an older woman and that's just not going to be a possibility. Actually watch a clip of the patriarchy.

[B]

Okay. But the patriarchy is not like God's fault.

[A]

Like, it's biology. Yeah, not really. They didn't make it this way.

[B]

Yeah, right. It's like, not the patriarch's fault not to defend the patriarch.

[A]

And maybe like, the patriarchy is a function of the biology and the biological.

[B]

Fact that based on science, women have a hard stop. Yeah. Well, Claire Dane's actually. I saw a clip of her on Good Hang with Amy Poehler, talking about something so interesting that she got pregnant at 44 and she was like, I had no. Her kids were like 12 years old already. She had to do multiple rounds of IVF for her most recent pregnancy. And she was 44. She was like, she had no idea that she could get pregnant. She was freaking out when she got.

[A]

Pregnant, obviously, you know, but she was doing ivf.

[B]

No. So, like, with her previous pregnancies, she had to do IVF. So she was like, there's no way. I'm 44. I had the hardest time get she. And then she got pregnant. Just a crazy story. Look at that woman. Woman, matriarch.

[A]

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[A]

Thank you, special turtle. Thank you. Our next story Traders recap. Lisa Rinna breaks down spoilers. Spoilers breaks down in tears on the traitors over her difficult exit from real houses Beverly Hills. Yeah, that was a weird line.

[B]

That was very weird exit. But I feel like up until recently, like, I've been watching the episodes and then going on social media and I'm pretty much agreeing with everyone. Like, I thought everyone was gonna be, like, hating on Michael for what he said to Colton. But no, like, Michael was valid and everything he said. And honestly, justice for Michael. So so far, my takes with everyone had been pretty on par with the fans. But I'm really shocked at how many people are, like, mad at Rob for last night.

[A]

I'm mad at Rob.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

I am because I'm sorry.

[B]

Lisa was like a liability.

[A]

Yeah, Lisa wasn't a great traitor, and.

[B]

I have to imagine it was even worse in person. Like, she really was awful.

[A]

But he never said that. He never said she's a bad trader. She's a liability. That's why I. She needs to go because she's, like, giving up the secret. He, like, sort of of exacerbated sort of a seed that Colton had planted and let it grow like, he didn't back his fellow traitor. And I guess eventually the traders do turn on each other because you want to win and you want to win with at least the least amount of people as possible.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But the less traders there are, the more the chance the faithfuls have.

[B]

But also a really kind of effective way to keep the smoke off of you is to lead a charge against a fellow trader. So, like, it sucks, but, like, look, Candace was being so obviously team Lisa. And the second the roundtable ended, everyone started saying Candace's name for the first time ever.

[A]

No, but Rob said it.

[B]

No, someone else said it.

[A]

Robin. Colton.

[B]

Someone else said it. And Colton, I mean, and Rob, like, substantiated it, but he did not say.

[A]

It was easily said. A housewife wouldn't vote for a housewife. That's literally. That's literally why Colton went for Lisa because she voted for Portia.

[B]

It was very smart of Candace to vote for Rob because she was kind of in a bad spot and she could have just done, like a throwaway. But if Candace does get found out as a traitor, they'll be like, well, who was Candace targeting?

[A]

And. But why would she think she was targeting a fellow traitor?

[B]

Oh, true.

[A]

I actually don't think it was smart that Candace voted for Rob because now Rob knows that it's war. Whereas he could have. And now when she goes, like, she has to, like, whip up Johnny and everyone to be against Rob, whereas she could have been doing that in secret and Rob would have no idea.

[B]

Do you feel like the show is becoming a little unfair gender wise? Like, the five, the six people who won the challenge, it was five and Natalie, like, who's like a very fit survivor.

[A]

Survivor. So, like, I thought the same thing that the women didn't have a. They don't get a chance to get the dagger or the shield.

[B]

Challenges should be, like, a little bit more, like, intellectual. Like a combination of both physical and Donna Kelsey never stood a chance. Right. She couldn't have done last night's challenge. Like, I do think they need to become, like, a little bit more like sort of like an escape room. Yeah. Dorinda would be good at that. Like, I think it's becoming a little bit unfair. And that was such a physical challenge. Like, of course you have a. A former NFL player. It was Stephen Coletti, like, all the guys. And then they have this, like, boys club where with Natalie where they're like, you know, sharing secrets. I don't know. It's becoming a little unfair. I do think that they should spice it up a little bit where it's like maybe a puzzle.

[A]

I agree with you. And on the one hand, it's like, oh, maybe this is like a special forces type where it's like, well, you don't come on the show if you're not.

[B]

It's not. It's like it's a personality game.

[A]

It is a mind game. So I agree that that's not fair and I felt the same way. And I also feel like it's unfair. They have this, like, boys group going where like. Like Mark and not Steven. Steven has a mind of his own. He really likes.

[B]

Mark is a follower.

[A]

Mark is such a follower.

[B]

You know what? Johnny Weir is kind of a free thinker. He just has bad thoughts. But.

[A]

But I don't. I don't consider him in that group. No.

[B]

But everyone who said that they were going for Natalie, literally, not one of.

[A]

Them voted for Natalie because Rinna didn't do a good job at the rounds. We need to talk about Rinna because I actually was sad to see her go. I was sad to see her voted out and I didn't expect that because that's the point of the game, to get the traders. And she wasn't even being a good trader. But to go out like, that was just sad. She's like. So she comes in, like, so hot. She talks such a big game.

[B]

She did that after people were onto her. Like, she flipped the switch. So obviously, like, Colton pointed out that she was being quiet to everyone. So she started being loud. That's like the most obvious thing. She should have stayed in her. Like, it could not be more obvious. Oh, and we need to talk about jam. Jam.

[A]

Wait. We need to know. But I just was going to say that she talks like Such a Lisa fucking Randall. Like, I'll be the best trader because I'm an actress and. And this and I'm a housewife. And if you don't survive housewives and can't survive the roundtable. She literally dug her own grave at the round table by giving nothing. People were prepared to vote for Natalie and she did not defend herself in any sort.

[B]

And she was being so obvious, like, I'm only coming for you because you're coming for me. It was so, like, no, but.

[A]

And she actually had something good to go on, which is that Natalie slipped up. Tara heard it. Like, that's something tangible. And she was not compelling at all. And it's just a case of who can speak better. And, like, you are a housewife and you're one of the most iconic ones and you were taken down by Colton and Natalie and Rob.

[B]

To be fair, like, I do not blame Rob for not backing Lisa. Like, I do believe she was a liability.

[A]

He didn't back her. And he could have done it in a. Like, he could have went harder.

[B]

He could have used his double dagger.

[A]

Like, no, but, like, Colton had an idea of something and Rob really, like, confirmed it. And the two of them went hard. And towards the end, Rob. Everyone at the table respects Rob. He could have said less. And he went hard for Lisa. It's not that he didn't back her. It's that he went for her.

[B]

I actually just don't blame, like, last week kind of needed her out.

[A]

Last week when he voted for her, I completely understood. No choice. And it look. And it looks better for the traders if he votes for her. And it throw. It confuses everyone. This week he gunned for her. She might have actually not been sent home if not for him. He is the most popular person in the house, more so than Colton. He's doing Colton's bidding. I am so excited for Colton to realize that he's been like, the trainer.

[B]

Hunter thinks he's like, I got a house. First of all, Rob did. And he thinks he's like, so, no.

[A]

But no, no, no.

[B]

And that no one's getting played, like, a little more.

[A]

That was Colton's.

[B]

He figured it out first. But she only went home because of Rob.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, he, like you said, is the most popular guy in the house. When he finds out that, like, best friend thinks he's at, like, he's running this and he's the biggest loser here. I can't wait.

[A]

I can't wait for that to happen. Like, the person that he confides in the most is the traitor.

[B]

So.

[A]

And they will have to turn on each other.

[B]

Oh. And the funny thing is that people now think, like, what Rob is doing, Colton is actually doing, like, they think Colton is maybe a traitor who turned on Lisa. And they were, like, going at it for a while, and that was like. That's actually a good theory. That's for someone to think, and it's hilarious because it's literally Colton's best friend.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So let's talk about Jam Jam and the. The air kiss.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

First of all, the drama. He's getting pulled away. Like, he's in a psych ward. Like, it's Lisa. It's Lisa.

[A]

I just want to say you can really tell that, like, that the experiment has gotten to these people. The fact that Natalie was. She was like, I was scared for my life. I was so scared.

[B]

Oh, my God. Natalie was being crazy.

[A]

Like, oh, my God. You're just going to be taking off.

[B]

A reality show and back to your family. Like, you're fine. She was being nutty.

[A]

They were really acting like they're going to die.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It must be. And I've heard now, you told me that, like, before the round table. It's two minutes of silence. They play spooky music. It's definitely more than I thought it was. Like, I thought it was just, like, reality stars, like, getting together. No, they do.

[A]

It's an immersive mind.

[B]

It's an immersive experience.

[A]

Yeah. Where they actually think they're gonna die. Yeah. If they don't get the antidote.

[B]

So when jam. Jam was being, like, taken away by the guards, and, like, he's like, lisa. Oh, my God. Me and Ben could not stop laughing. Like, the level of drama. And it's interesting that, like, he was right. It is Lisa. But they were completely wrong about how the murder in plain sight happened.

[A]

Yes. And I just want to say I don't think it's fair that he was taken away like that and that he got to speak and say who killed him.

[B]

Like, I don't agree.

[A]

Like, to the rules of the game.

[B]

Yeah. But the thing is, is that it's the same way, like, at a round table. Because the thing is wrong. It was Lisa. Yes. But not in the way that he thought it was. So it's completely fair to, like, I actually don't. I don't.

[A]

What if he was right and, like.

[B]

And he figured it out? Like, I. I don't agree. I think it's fine that he was able to add it such a Funny level.

[A]

It was funny. But it's like usually the dead can speak. You kill someone successfully, they wouldn't be able to speak. Come back from the dead and tell you who did it.

[B]

I guess, like, maybe. But I'm not mad about it. It.

[A]

I I don't know. I. I, like, felt defensive of lisa. I felt like it just.

[B]

Well, I wanted her to do better. I thought the show was like, I wasn't.

[A]

No. But the thing is you were loving her as a trader. You thought she was like, so, like you're having your renaissance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't even feel that way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But just the way she went out just felt like wrong to me. I can't explain it. I didn't feel like good. Like, we got.

[B]

It wasn't pride either.

[A]

Got yourselves a traitor.

[B]

Yeah. The thing I was having a renaissance and honestly, it was colton who pointed out, like, what I liked about lisa was that she wasn't being Lisa. Like, that isn't who she is. So she wasn't being a good trader. I do think cand being an amazing traitor and I had very low expectations of her. It's tough to be a traitor and a housewife with another traitor. So, like, yes, you could say that she only didn't vote for lisa because she is also a housewife and she has maintained that she didn't vote for portia. Thank God. But it's starting to get a little suspicious. Like, now her name's being thrown around.

[A]

Everyone's names.

[B]

Johnny and tara's names haven't been thrown around.

[A]

If your name's not being thrown around, you're not in the game.

[B]

Yes. Johnny and tara or mark.

[A]

Maybe their alliance will. Yeah, Mark. Mark is a disappointment.

[B]

Although I didn't necessarily agree with lisa's choice to kill jam. Jam. It felt really random.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And yes, he's. I didn't think he was.

[A]

She should have killed one of colton's cronies to take away votes from the colton block.

[B]

Yes. Without directly going for colton like dorinda.

[A]

Or like a mark. Mark does what colton says even if he thinks he's singing for himself.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

He needs. They need to take away from that just like boy coalition.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because it's getting really strong between rob and colton. And then we have mark. They're turning on steven. Obviously a mistake. Steven's just, like, guilty of being a good guy.

[B]

Yeah. Like, really sweet. Like, I actually really like him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think that. I don't know. I'm not mad at rob because, like, I felt it like Lisa in. Every time Lisa was accused, she could not have handled it where she started, like, giggling, like, why don't you just tell everyone you're a traitor? Like, so bad. And at some point, yes, it's like traitor strong. But you got to look out for number one. And I feel like she was increasingly becoming a liability. And the only way for him to, like, successfully navigate it, like, he doesn't have the housewife thing like that he can say it and vote for Lisa because.

[A]

No, no, he could vote for Lisa. I have no problem with him voting for Lisa. Last week, this week, at a certain point in the episode, he led the charge. Yeah.

[B]

In a like a underhanded kind of way.

[A]

Yeah. And that to me, that's like, that's beyond like being a traitor because that your loyalty is to the traitors. I guess up until a point. But I just felt like we weren't at that point. At that point, he definitely escalated, like, really premature to like, yes.

[B]

Now. And there's still like 10 people left. Like, I don't think I. Yeah.

[A]

And they're like, not going to win then.

[B]

They're not going to figure it out either. Like, they were far from figuring it out. This does make it messier.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it also makes it really hard to hunt traitors if the traitors are fighting with the traitors. So it is also a good.

[A]

Yeah. Because you could argue anything. Oh, they voted for them because they know they're a traitor that owns a fellow traitor or they're a traitor who wants kill a faithful. Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you have to just be the most compelling arguer.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's what it is.

[B]

And Lisa was really not, like, she was bad.

[A]

And I feel like she's so, you know, like, I feel like for a lot of the housewives, except for Candace, because Candace is able to like, you know, hang with the people. She's a real girl, one of them. She become friends with everyone. But Lisa Rin is like an entity and it's like she's not going to ever be everyone's best friend because she's just like iconic and not interested.

[B]

She's not going to be like a low, like a down low, hang chilling.

[A]

Kind of girl like Rob and the guys and Candace and the girls. So, like, she was in a sort of a tough spot. Even if she was.

[B]

I like Donna Kelce.

[A]

Even if she was a faithful, I don't know how she would have acted, actually.

[B]

I think she would have been very housewife, like, because it's. It's easy to Be a faithful. You don't have this chip on your shoulder. Like, so. I think she would have been a more housewives coded version of herself.

[A]

Yeah. I think that's Rob.

[B]

Oh. And Rob's saying maybe it's a turret full of housewives. That was brilliant.

[A]

Yeah. Hopefully they go for Durinda next and then get it wrong. Socks.

[B]

First of all, Dorinda voting for Maura and spelling her name miara like, she.

[A]

Spelled it like m o R a.

[B]

There was an e in there. Okay. M o E r a.

[A]

Funny how they spell each other's names.

[B]

Hilarious. Maura's like giving nothing. And I actually appreciated Dorinda being like, you're. You just come here and you, like are such a follower and you, like say nothing. You do nothing. Yeah. Maura's not a traitor but she sucks. Like, sorry. I liked that Dorinda came for her.

[A]

I agree. And she's just another one in the Colton Rob voting block.

[B]

She's like a mark.

[A]

And all she has going for at this point is her style of falling in love with Rob. With Rob and then Rob having to turn on his lady love and his best friend. I can't fucking wait.

[B]

Yeah. So also that rumor that we heard that Rob and Candace aren't speaking. Like, it does seem like they.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They don't come back together. So when they get in the turret I was really curious to see them talk. And that's where they cut off the episode. But that will be where. Weird.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like Rob is playing a really good game. He's a really good trader and he's turning on everyone and. But it's at a point giving psychopath.

[B]

Yeah. It seems like Lisa Rinna did not watch one episode of this show before coming on and Rob maybe watched every single one of them a little too closely. Like, he came in. He is so smart about this one thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's weird.

[A]

And that he was able to guess who had the dagger.

[B]

Oh, my God. That was insane. Okay. So I was like following his line of thinking and I was like, well, it's obviously Steven in because Steven picked up the plank and then like shook his head no. And it's like, okay, well, only a liar would do that. Like, it was such a weird.

[A]

Stephen is an honest man. It's true.

[B]

Actually.

[A]

That was sociopathic, I'm telling you. And so, yes, he's playing a good game. But, like, at what cost? Like, gray, you're the best liar.

[B]

So the thing is, it's also really interesting. Like the varying levels of fame of all these people. Because the pot, I think last season was like around $250,000 is where they ended up up. And like, for someone like Tiffany, she was saying, like, I'm a single mom. Like, she won one show once. Like, she's not a celebrity. The money actually means more to people than others. And I think, like Lisa renev, it was 250k and she split it with everyone, like, great. But like, whatever. But I think for someone like Rob who, like, his time is a little bit past in terms of celebrity, he definitely still makes like a nice living. But he lives on his farm and he's not like, you know, out here being a celebrity, even though now he's so huge. I saw in a Sonic commercial.

[A]

Did you say no? I was gonna say, I don't think Rob falls into that category. He was on Love island, the most popular season two years ago. I think he gets brand deals up the wazoo thing and lives a quiet life.

[B]

Well, he does live a quiet, so.

[A]

I don't think he needs that much. He's Instagram, but I think, like, he's an Instagram. Thought.

[B]

But I think the money, like, it's not really a level playing field for everyone.

[A]

Like Eric. I would think Colton needs the money more than Rob.

[B]

I don't know. I keep. Every time I open my Tick tock, there's a first ad for Nanit from Colton Underwood.

[A]

What?

[B]

It's insane. Okay. Rob has 1.6 million followers and they're fresh. Yeah. And I also, I'm gonna go down to, like, before traders. So this is November. Okay, wait, 2024.

[A]

Yeah, that's before. Oh, he doesn't post.

[B]

He never posts.

[A]

And he has 1.6 million followers.

[B]

Oh, Celsius Partner in October. Oh, my God. Everything is an ad. Arby's.

[A]

Arby's.

[B]

Yeah. T Mobile. Every single post is an ad. Real Zaxby. I know that. Hey, dude, I'm at every single. I'm not even scrolling. Chili's Skinny dipped organic post. Organic post. Organic post. Okay.

[A]

At 1.6 million followers.

[B]

Real Z again. T Mobile. I'm not skipping me undies. I'm not skipping Tic Tac. I'm not skipping organic post. Revolve. Organic post. Poppy Revolve Organic post. Tinder. Wow. So many ads. No, you're right. So he doesn't fall into the category.

[A]

No.

[B]

He's so cute, by the way. I just like, I love him.

[A]

Yeah, no, he's really cute and I like him, but I. I didn't like, it. I can't. I just remember I didn't hate it.

[B]

Like, Lisa, at some point, like, it's.

[A]

Oh. And I just want to say the whole episode was so overhyped. Like, the banquet. Oh, saying this beyond. When you hear banquet. What?

[B]

So we got. Like, that was just marketing. I thought it was, like. I thought Alan was being real with us, and he's just being a. An.

[A]

A marketer.

[B]

No, like a corporate cog.

[A]

Like, that was insane.

[B]

It was a good. It was good. It was interesting.

[A]

It wasn't. I thought last week was better. I thought the Michael Colton episode was better.

[B]

No, but the pulling Jam. Jam away. I was cracking up. Like, I. I get what. Like, that was completely overhyped.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Fifth and final.

[A]

Fifth and final was Tell Me Lies. Recap.

[B]

Okay. So much TV was watched last night. Thank God. Such a good episode. First of all, they didn't do any wedding flashbacks. It was just, like, kind of an episode about people in college, and I was enjoying it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I loved the Wrigley. I breeze. She's a very good actress. So pathetic. Like, the whole mom thing. And I don't. I didn't know where it was going, but it seemed, like, fine. But the drinking was like, is this bad?

[A]

No, it was definitely, like, imperfect, you know? And maybe she's setting herself up for disappointment. But it was more so about Wrigley being there for her.

[B]

Now I need to go back and watch the wedding. Like, is her mom there?

[A]

Oh, I don't know.

[B]

I love Wrigley. Like, I just couldn't love him anymore. And, like, when are him and Pippa gonna break up?

[A]

Right?

[B]

And he's did so right by Pippa. He didn't kiss.

[A]

No. And Pippa wouldn't give a.

[B]

No. I know, but, like, as far as.

[A]

He knows, no, he's not been a bad guy. He's been very loyal. He comes and picks Pippa up, always kisses her. And Pippa can't dump him because, like, he's going through a lot.

[B]

The Chris thing at that pool party, like, gave me a chill down my spine.

[A]

I was like, who the fuck is that?

[B]

No. And he's like, why are you saying that I raped you? Like, it's a valid question. Except the fact that we know that he does this.

[A]

Right. He also, like.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yes, he didn't do that. But he doesn't recognize that he does that to other people.

[B]

Yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah. And, like, Pippa gives me a pit. Like, the whole show is so pit. They should call it. Tell me pit. Give Me Pit. It is so pit inducing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What else happened in the episode Queen?

[A]

I, I, I'm disappointed in her because like she's putting a target on her back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Steven sent those photos. I can't imagine that a law school is going to get someone's nude photos from their ex boyfriend and then kick them out of school for what?

[B]

I don't know. You have to remember it's like 2000 and something like things like that did happen.

[A]

No, but like it's not 1950. Like.

[B]

No, I know.

[A]

And but what would be her crime? Unless he sent it from her email where it's like, hey guys.

[B]

I mean, and then she says, hey, that wasn't me. And they'd be like, clearly. Because only a crazy person would do that. I don't know. I don't know what the angle is. Is it just that like if you're a lawyer, you can't have nude photos?

[A]

Like did he send it to.

[B]

I would assume like admission.

[A]

I would assume admissions everywhere except Yale. So that she has to go there. Ah.

[B]

He is just the devil.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And do we assume she went through with the procedure?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yes. She was cramping.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

But she just said no, but it was like the proceed. The reason plot wise for the pregnancy was for her to be into orbit again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And make them entangle once more.

[B]

Yeah. I saw people saying it was like a bad episode. Not a lot happened. But I enjoyed it.

[A]

Yeah. It's a great show.

[B]

Oh, Lucy, like tried to, you know, have sex just the regular way and it's clearly not enough for her. So.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Things are escalating and you are 100. Right. She's engaging in harmful behavior and it's not enough. So she's then, you know, you know, harming herself verbally and it's just a matter of time before she harms herself physically.

[A]

Yeah. But especially because that guy now looks at her differently because he thinks that she has trauma and that's why she's doing all right.

[B]

And he was like, oh, I thought we were just having fun. But like this is giving talk. Dark.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he won't do it anymore.

[A]

He actually turned out to be a sweetie.

[B]

So it turns out like that'll be the last we see of him because she's not going back.

[A]

Yeah. And so now she's engaging in like, you know, dark behavior.

[B]

Yeah. Which is not good.

[A]

And self harm.

[B]

And it seems like in, you know, the future at the wedding, like she's still not healed.

[A]

No.

[B]

And that's, that's Upsetting.

[A]

Yeah. She's like, the same at the wedding.

[B]

Yeah. And that's tough to see.

[A]

I can't believe last season she had sex with Stephen at the wedding.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. And Steven's the same too. He's still, like, you know, he's looking.

[A]

Through Wrigley's phone, and maybe they are perfect for each other.

[B]

I wonder why Wrigley and Bri don't end up together. Like. Yes, it's complicated in college, you know, I'm sure Pippa and Pippa and him break up. So at some point.

[A]

Yeah. And Pippa knows that he loves Bri.

[B]

Oh, does he?

[A]

Yeah. She said, like, when they were dancing on the dance floor, Pippa and Wrigley and they were, like, talking openly about.

[B]

It, so it must be that, Bri. I mean, I think when, you know, Bree's childhood being, like, sort of traumatic, there's a lot of stability with Evan. He really loves her. He's very financially stable, and I think when you grow up, like, foster home to foster home, like, you crave that. So, yes, love wins, but not all the time. Sometimes stability wins.

[A]

Yeah. Something obviously happens between the two of them where she feels like she has to make that choice.

[B]

I like Evan.

[A]

Also, Steven brought. I love Evan.

[B]

I fudgeing, hate Molly.

[A]

I know. And it's like, that exchange was really sad.

[B]

But you know what? Like, valid on Evan's part. Like I said a hundred times.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That this is just casual sex, which is awful. But she agreed to it.

[A]

Right. And when they were playing pool and Wrigley was like, well, did you go, sir? Did you tell her that it's over? And he was like, I never told her that. It started like, I know Wrigley's like, you know, the feminist voice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He is of the men. But I, I, I don't think Evan. And I imagine that such a shitty feeling for Molly. But, like, like he said what he said. You know, when people tell you who they are, believe them. Yeah.

[B]

He's been harsh, but honest.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when he said to Bri, like, I would stop talking to her in one second. You told me to.

[B]

I need Evan to get on Wrigley's level when it comes to Steven. Why does Steven have this hold? He's like, gets to walk through his apartment and leave the dishes, and he paid for the sister's.

[A]

Well, that was because Evan slept with Lucy. But now they're even.

[B]

Right? So, like, he needs to stop hanging out.

[A]

They're each other's friends. It's the last Semester of senior year. These are your friends? What, are you gonna make new friends? Yeah. But no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he also. I think Steven does roll off his shoulder a little bit now, too. Like, he knows that he doesn't have the power over him. He doesn't. Like, he's not beholden to Steven.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But Brie's starting to put pieces together about Lucy and Evan, But I do think she'll. Well, she already knows because at the wedding, she got the voicemail.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

She seemed hurt but not surprised.

[B]

Yeah. And at some point, like, you kind of just got a lot of go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it's fine.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like, she likes heaven, but she doesn't, like, love him.

[B]

Right. So it's not going to be, like, heartbroken. Like, this is sort of a marriage of convenience at this point. Like. Yeah, he really wants to be with Bri, so. You know what? Be with Bray.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's dive into Queenie and Weenie. Our final segment of the week, where Jackie and I deliver two awards. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It comes as no surprise. Let's just say it together, who our Queenie is on the count of three. One, two, three.

[A]

Queen Corgi.

[B]

And do we have the same weenie?

[A]

Who's your Weenie?

[B]

Pug Caso for beating me. Like, I couldn't say it then. I have to say it now. I said to Ben, I'm like, I have to think of my Queenie and Weenie. I'm like, this morning I was like, I'm thinking of doing Pug Caso. And he goes, who's Pug Caso? Like, seriously? I said, are you fucking serious? And he was like, oh, yeah, I know, I know.

[A]

No, I actually. I like Pugcasso. My weenie would be the audience members who voted for Pug Caso over Queenie because Pug Casto didn't do anything wrong. He was being himself. He was singing his best with his fantastic costume. But the audience members, who didn't see true talent. And I feel like that win for you, like, you needed that win.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Mentally and emotionally, and they didn't get it. They hurt you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I blame them for everything.

[B]

I actually have a really funny story about me losing. I'll share it on the Patreon. It's so fun.

[A]

Okay, we're about to record that. So this is actually a great segue for us to, like, sit right here and continue our conversation.

[B]

Yes. Okay, you guys, thank you so much for listening to the toast on Monday. Morning show. We deliver the fastest Fridays. You need to know every Monday, Friday and YouTube so much on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe and consider thumbs up. Love you. Bye.

[A]

Love you. Bye.