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Good morning, girlies.
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It's the Toast.
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It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.
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It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.
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They sound amazing.
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Welcome back to the Toast and happy Friday, aka the last day of the week, and aka, like, we have nothing from Ms. Alex Earle. I don't know what this means for the toast.
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What does it mean for you? Because you said EOD close of business yesterday. It didn't.
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I did. And I do feel like we are now past due. Do you. Do you find.
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Yeah. Well, I kept saying, like, she has really till Friday, and I think if she doesn't put something out today, nothing is coming.
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Yeah. And I've seen she. It's not like she went dark. She's actually been extremely active.
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She hosted a spread of her.
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She's been active vc. She hosted a brand event. She released a Coachella vlog, a big partnership with Microsoft. So maybe she wanted to get, like, her spawn con out of the way and not, like, have it mix in with the feud content. I just think she is losing steam. Like, even though it's so funny, like, people on the Internet, when they've decided who won, like, they'll justify it either way. And so the comments are like, yes, unbothered Queen. And it's like, well, you said you were gonna respond. And it's not that you're unbothered because it's like, it's not like you can ignore this, right? Like, it's global, but, like, people don't even care. Like, they're just done with Alex Cooper. Alex. Earl has won in their mind, even though she hasn't even responded yet. And.
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But, yeah, they think that that's like a sleigh, you know, because they're just gonna like, whoever.
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You know who your faves are. You trust your faves. And you're like, yeah, that's my Queen right there. Like, she doesn't even need to respond. Or when she does respond, it'll be perfect. Like, you just. I feel like I'm pretty undecided just because I, like, I would like to know all the facts. Obviously, I'm like Earl leaning, that's my girl. But I do need to know the crimes.
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Yeah, of course. Yeah, I agree. Maybe it doesn't even matter what she says, if she says, because, like, people are gonna take her side on this. And it seems like everyone's just been, like, looking for a reason to get rid of Alex. What's crazy is there's.
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Alex Cooper gave you, like, the biggest reason to cancel her, and people ate it up. Like, and I feel pretty good about the fact that during the call her daddy scandal, like, of course we had an unpopular opinion, which was that, like, I, I didn't think Sophia did anything wrong. And so part of me, like, I always. And I texted you this this morning. I'm actually really struggling with this saga because I'm sorry to hear the way. Struggling not to make it about me, but I almost always, like, jump to the defense of the person who's being canceled because it's. I've been through it myself on a much smaller scale. And I can tell you it's just devastating. Especially, like, for your first time. It's just devastating. And I, I'm seeing so much, like, really mean spirited content about Alex Cooper, like, just making fun of the way she walks and dances. And it's just like, that's not what this is about. You know what I mean? So I'm always inclined to, like, jump to the defense of that person. But I also have a really hard time because Alex Cooper, like, inflicted this on someone else. Like, Sophia Franklin went through this at the hands of her best friends, at the hand of Alex Cooper in a much worse way.
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Like, and not. And not with $150 million in her
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pocket in the bank. Like, broke, unemployed, go back home, suicide. Yeah. Like, literally, like, so she's done this and, like, Alex Cooper invited this. Like, she started it with the video.
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Like, she didn't start it, but she blew it up. Like, we were all talking about Alex Earl reposting that. Bravo, Mom. So Alex Uber could have ignored it and maybe all of this would have laid dormant for a while. But, like, I hate when people are like, she started. No, she just responded to it in a massive way.
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Yeah. And I'm just seeing, like, people behave in ways that is pissing me off. And I hate, hate, hate when people make me be, like, a woman defender, you know?
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Yeah, because I know, like, low key. And I think that's the whole point, you know, it's like how we're the accidental matriarchs.
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Exactly.
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Like, we support the patriarchy, but here we are being matriarchs. Like, we're not women who support other women yet we are always supporting other women.
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I have said.
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And the women who support other women don't support other women.
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I have said since the day that I'm born. Like, I'm not a woman who supports other women. Do not expect blind Support from me. Like, I hate you bitches. Like, I really do not. The people listening to the show, obviously, you guys are my clinis.
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You know those.
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Everyone else hate those. But I've just never been this person who like, blindly supports women. Yet whenever I'm talking and speaking on women's issues, I always find myself, like, having much more empathy and just support for the woman. More so than the women who are like, girls, girls. Amanda Batula. You know, like the people who are self proclaimed girls, girls and who are women who support women blindly are some of the nastiest fudgeing bitches you've ever met in your life. And me, like, somebody who I've always said, like, I don't support you just because you're the same gender as me. Like, you know, but yet I always find myself. And I know nobody wants to hear it, but I do think an irrelevant claim to bring into this, like, is Blake Lively. Like, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt. Like, I am. Like, I'm over here. Like, she says she was sexually assaulted. Like, I'm over here believing her, like, getting my reputation destroyed because of it. People think I'm like in cahoots with the Reynolds. Okay? And it's just, no, like, I support women. I actually do. That's what's so crazy, this situation.
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It's like they're both women, so it's not like you're unsupportive of women if you support one of them, but like the way that people feel so comfortable, like piling on a woman and like tearing a woman down.
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And I won't get involved. And I saw a video.
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It's not for me.
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I was sending this video to, like, everyone I know because everyone I know was like texting me about the situation because I'm literally Katie Heron. I. I was thinking about talking about it 80% of the time. And the other 20% of the time I was hoping for somebody else to bring it up. Like, I cannot stop talking about this. And I saw this TikTok that was so mean spirited. Like, it just, it's like, I don't want to be. I don't want to be on that side. Like, that side is so mean. And so somebody had posted, you know, we've been talking a lot about that reel that Alex Cooper made in Vegas to the song Circus. And it was like this slight against Alex Cooper and somebody posted a video being like, wait, not me actually being, you know, in the room when that video happened. And she shared a video in the Audience. She was in the audience. And Alex Cooper was up on the DJ table in Vegas and she was filming that TikTok because she was like, there's only two types of. And she's like walking. It's like stage. She's not like slaying, she's just walking. And the comments are so mean. This is so embarrassing. I would never leave my house again from first of all, from like, you know, anonymous trolls, but also like other female podcasters. I couldn't like people I know being like, oh my God, I'm so embarrassed for her. Like, so mean spirited. These are like the type of people who are like, are, you know, they use the word herstory in a non ironic way. Like these are self proclaimed feminists and it's like you're piling onto a woman because you don't like the way that she like made a TikTok. Like, if you want to come for Alex Cooper, that's what's bothering me about this whole situation. If you want to come for Alex Cooper, like, I do believe there are legitimate criticisms of her. And like, if you want to cancel her for X, Y and Z, like, sure, I could see you having a point. But like at this very moment, we don't know what she did yet. Everyone's hyping it up like Brianna Chicken Fry being like, and then I heard what you did to Alex. We need to know. We need to know because right now it's giving Mean girl.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so I need Alex Earl to post to her video for a multitude of reasons, but also like, I can
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make a decree, right? We can adjudicate on the matter. I agree. That video, I didn't see the video, but you sent me a screenshot. And what's so crazy is the person who made the video, they have like 5 million views for like clowning on Alex Cooper Dance to circus. And the caption is when I realized I saw the circus performance by Alex Cooper in Vegas. You mean when you realize and remember that you bought tickets to her event as a fan of hers. Did you have a brain injury that you forgot that you did that? Like, acting like, oh, I accidentally stumbled there? No, you're walking through the street like you're
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at the event.
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You're at the event, you're a fan, you bought a ticket and now like you're clowning on her. Meanwhile you're there like with your phone in the air.
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The only way to fly in the
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way that people that she's like, so like flipping it to be like that she Accidentally stumbled upon this situation.
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The comments, like, really shook me. I couldn't. I had, like, kind of a crazy reaction to it where I was, like, yucky. I'm not piling on. Like, I will not be a part of this. And again, I don't really know what the crime she's currently being accused of because, like, we're still waiting for that video. But if we would like to have, like, conversations about other things, like Sophia Franklin, like, yeah, I said it at the time and I'd say it now, like, it was abhorrent what was done to that girl. And she deserves justice. And you know what she really deserves? $30 million.
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Yeah. I think that would make it right.
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100. Well, best friend, like, well, the 60
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million was for the catalog and the work that. Future work and future work.
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At the time, I just want to say the value, the reason she got 60 million, they didn't know she was going to go on to become this huge influencer. Podcast or interview or whatever. They were paying the 60. Yeah. For future episodes, but. But mostly for the catalog of Sophia's work.
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For both. For both. You don't pay 60 million. Like, for old episodes. Like, you have to be releasing. So it's not 60 million for the catalog. So I guess we can, you know, decide.
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20. Yeah, she gets 20. 40 for the catalog. 20 for future work.
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Yeah. Also, I think, like, one of my hotter takes is that if they had, like, left without their IP and just changed, they would have been show. They would have been fine. People think her daddy IP is so valuable. No, the girls were so valuable and what they made of it. You could call the show duty on a stick. Like, everyone would want to listen.
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Yes. And now six years later. Yes. There's six years of branding. At the time, it had been one year.
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Yeah.
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And they did not need it. They should have left together. They could have gotten a deal elsewhere for more, and they would have continued to become bigger and bigger and bigger and everything Sophia did at that time, when their contract was up and she was hosting the biggest podcast in the world, bigger than Joe Rogan. It was the biggest podcast in the entire world.
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Their contract was not up.
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Whatever. They got to a place where they were allowed to renegotiate.
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No. And I think I remember at the time, like, it was coven. And I think, like, Dave, like, said, like, they were paying the salaries of so many people, like, keeping the lights on at Barstool because their podcast was so big. No, no, like, so pay them more. You know what I mean?
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Like, oh, Call her daddy was like, yeah. Because only, like, 10 of shows are actually successful. 10.
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Like, everybody is, like, in the red. And, like, that show is just huge. And they had so much leverage.
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And.
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And it's not that they out leverage themselves, because I remember they used to say, like, Sophia was moving the goalpost. It's like, no, she was asking for more because, like, she was. They were in the driver's seat. And it's not that Dave was like, fudge, you guys. I'm not giving it to you. It was that they broke and Alex
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took the lesser deal.
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Yeah.
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So Dave is a businessman being like, all right, I can negotiate with this one girl who wants $60 million or this other girl who'll do it for 500.
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Yeah.
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And so at the time, I remember saying it, and I feel that way now, I would have done exactly what Sophia Franklin did. And she got so much shit because she had a boyfriend. Oh, he controlled her. Somebod. You bitches are so fudgeing stupid. Like, no, no. You have a man who literally has an MBA in business. You're in this business for one year. He works at hbo. He's a C suite executive. No. You'd be an idiot not to take his advice and let him help you and let him make introductions to agents, lawyers, managers, people to help make the deal. And what's so funny is, like, yeah, I think Alex really sailed on. On that. Like, Sophia, you know, letting her business be run by a man. Meanwhile, she was just getting advice from someone smarter than both of them at the time. And now, like, Alex Cooper runs her business in partnership with her husband. Her husband's, like, smaller production company has merged with her. That's what Unwell is. It's like this big thing with his previous previously existing work and her Unwell company. So, like, literally, there's nothing wrong with slay. I work with my husband. It's the best when you actually respect your partner. Like, that's. Who cares that he's a man? Like, people are just so, like, obsessed with hating men. So, like, yeah, if we want to have, like, an actual critical conversation about that, sure. At present, it just kind of feels like a pylon. And I need to know what she did before I joined the pylon, because right now, it's giving Mean girl.
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Yeah, I agree. So I guess there's nothing to really adjudicate today. Actually, I think there was one update.
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Yeah. Except that, like, it just seems like everyone in the industry hates her. That's what's interesting.
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And, like, when did that happen? Right.
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Everyone who was like going on her tour has been on her show like now saying they hate her.
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So funny because I feel like we're the ones holding the line because never got invited to shit.
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Never. We've never been asked to be on Call her daddy. We've never been asked to be a part of her tour. She has, like largely gone out of her way to ignore us recently.
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Until recently. Because she asked you to do like the Unwell Vegas thing.
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Oh, yeah, she did ask me, but
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that was like very recent. But when, you know, in the time,
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it was just like a very low paying gig. That's what I'll say. Because I'll do anything. And I think that's been a criticism of hers that she wants to work with everyone and pay them well below what they're worth. That's what I've heard from almost everybody I know who's worked with her is that they. She gives. Like she sends offers out to everyone to distribute their podcasts, to have them as talent to go to events, and she doesn't pay them what they're worth. Meanwhile, like, she's, you know, benefiting the most from being a female in podcasting and she gets that 60 million dollar 125 million dollar deal. So she's very proud and good for her. Like, she gets what she's worth and then some.
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Yeah.
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And then when it comes time for her to work with other talents, she like grossly underpays them. So that's why I think people in the industry, like, have a very negative association with her. Like their interactions have not been great and. Yeah.
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Yes. But also, like, if you don't like the paycheck, like, you don't have to take it. So she offers. You know what I think people wouldn't want to accept, but like, if you accept it, then that's on you is what I'll say. And also anybody wants to like do business with her, like after Sophia Gate, like, that's really surprising.
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Yeah. I don't. People didn't see it. Maybe now they will. But like the Alex Earl thing, like that was if you were following since the very beginning from the Sophia Franklin days, like, not really shocking.
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Yeah. Yeah. So it's just, it's funny that we're holding the line here.
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I know. I just, I'm like, I feel like it's so ingrained in our DNA, like, just to have like a little bit of like devil's advocate. And I don't think it's unreasonable to say, like, I Just want to know what she did first. Like, no accusations have been made yet, and I think I have a good feeling as to what they are based on. Just like me following this story for the last year or two. But Alex are, like, needs to speak
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up and stat if it is what like, we think it is. You know, like, just then she's not, like, really the villain in the story.
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No, but she, like, she is, but she's been the villain the whole time. Like, she's acting now how she's always acted, and people have been eating it up, and now they just don't like it because it doesn't serve them. Or I think that she's getting a little bit like James Courtney, and it's like, uncle.
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She's everywhere.
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She's in.
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In Verity. Yeah, I know. That was the story today, and that's
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also a part of it. People are just jealous. Like, that needs to be. That actually can't be overstated because there are so many women who are in this business and they operate at a good level. She is on another stratosphere. She has interviewed everyone. There's nobody she h. Can't interview. Except for Taylor Swift. She has so much money she doesn't even know what to do with. She keeps starting these random companies. She is so embedded deeply in pop culture. She got the job that every millennial woman on the planet would have wanted, hosting the Hannah Montana special. So anyone who's, like, in our sphere, who's just, like, coming for her because, like, it's popular is also just jealous. Like, I'm jealous.
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I think those people are jealous. I think the people who have, like, just turned on her on a dime, you know, like, just sheep, like, are also jealous. I don't think Alex Earl is a jealousy issue.
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Oh, no. Like Alex Earl. That's why I think Alex Cooper was so threatened by her. Alex Earl did eclipse her during their time together. Alex Earl is so beloved and. Yeah, no, I wasn't talking. I'm just talking about everyone who's, like, chiming in now. It's like. Well, you didn't say anything when she was popular.
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First of all, that's my thing, you know?
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And you reaped the benefits of it. Like, you went to the tour.
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Yeah.
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You know, you got your check. You in. Got involved. Like, Harry Jowsey's not turning on her because she pays his bills.
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Yeah. And that's my loyal king right there. And that's how I raised him. That's. I raised him to be loyal.
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I'm cracking up. That is how you raised him.
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I raised him to be loyal and, you know, and, like, that's like, that's his friend. Right. So why all of a sudden would that not be his friend?
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No, I hate people. Like, that was your friend enough to, like, you were happy to cash those checks, but now everyone hates. And now you can see that she's an evil person. Like, please. I hate when people do that.
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Yeah. I have, like, more respect for you when you stand up for your friend,
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even if it's, like, unpopular because they were your friend enough. You know, before everyone hated them like, you were happy to. So I think it makes look people. Makes people look bad.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's getting a little crazy out there.
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You. And so I actually think, like, Alex, Earl, like, leaving us all hang out, like, hung out to dry so far is making people crazy.
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Yeah. And I just don't think it's coming at all.
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Or the drop is not going to be a big bomb.
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I don't think it's coming at all until a reality show or a Gary all with me, like, in weeks. Like, I think sometimes people do this where they don't respond for, like, a long time. And then when they do, it's like, you know, bam. But sometimes it's not bam because too much time has passed.
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Oh, 1000%. I am starting to feel, like, a little over it. Not a lot, but I could see myself getting there.
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Yeah. So I don't think it's coming today.
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I don't think it's coming today either. Because if she wanted to, like, really make waves. You don't release something on a Friday
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unless it's coming, like, this morning.
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Well, we are on alert. It's 9:45.
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If it doesn't happen before noon today, like, it's not happening.
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And of course, everyone know, like, you know, everyone in the building. Just alert me. Right. Okay. Okay. Everyone knows, like, don't be shy. You like?
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Yeah. Barge in, storm the best.
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Deal well with you. What's such a hard day? Like, it is so difficult being me. You. What'd you do when. What are you talking about?
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I had a hard day. I'm having a hard day. Like, the kids are saying, oh, today, today, I'm just having a rough one.
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I was being sarcastic because, like, yesterday I had to drive out to the Hamptons to find our summer rental, which is a thankless job, might I add. But as the only person who, like, lives in New York and has a flexible schedule, I'm, like, tasked with the responsibility of finding our Hampton Summer rental. Now, the first year we rented, I, you know, filled out the paperwork online. I never saw the house in person. And it was such a great big mistake.
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Yeah. Because when we were in the house, like the moment we walked in, we were like, damn, if we just saw it once, we would have known that it was not.
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I've never got this house.
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Yeah.
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So now it's my job. And I decided to have a little fun with it because I was first. A thousand degrees. I was so wedding. Ben was cracking me up. He's like, why are you wearing. I was wearing this boys lie like, long sleeve shirt that looked thin. And when I put it on, boy sleep. It was like fleece. Inside. I was dying because, you know, all these houses are sitting unused, so the air is not on. It was also, like eating. I was. And I'm walking up and down the stairs trying to get videos for everyone. I was sweating.
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Yeah.
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So on the way the house, Ben gives me the shirt off his back. He was wearing like this very thin aloe T shirt. I have to tell you, I. I instantly was better. And he like, didn't have a shirt. He walks into the the house without a shirt on. I remembered. But then he remembered he had one of his friends got him a shirt from the masters. So he like, had kept it in the car.
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You two are not okay.
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No, not at all. Someone's driveway.
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That's like really crazy that Ben walked into the house without a shirt. No, sorry. He didn't walk in the driveway. I'm ready in the driveway.
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So then I'm like, I have like seven or eight houses we saw. And at the last house, I was just like, seriously, I was in hell. And I. I'm like, I'm, you know, really, I don't want to be responsible for like choosing a house that everyone hates. Right. So I take really in depth videos with lots of commentary each. It's like four or five parts. I get the downstairs, the outside, and then I put them in a Dropbox and I made a special Dropbox and I was like, I know none of these are going to watch my videos in full. Even though I told you, you have to watch them in full and listen with audio. So at the very end of the very last video, I said, okay, this is the last video. And just to prove if any of you bitches actually made it here, I want you to write in our family chat a purple Heart. I thought that was pretty genius. And I want to say everyone passed except for motherfucking Margot.
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Except for Margot. And she keeps going, what's with the purple hearts, everybody?
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And I'm like, why don't you be more guilty?
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I was like, you're telling on yourself. I watched all your videos. I just couldn't get around to it until later because I wanted to give it the time and energy it deserved because I had all that to say.
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I don't think we found the house.
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I had to co Sleep my way to sleep, you know, like, in order to get these kids down. Then I could watch. Then I had to watch Beverly Hills, and I had to watch last week's episode, but I did.
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It was kind of a frustrating episode.
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Yes. Yes.
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I hate when Erica gets like that.
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I know, but. Or it's been like that too now, where they both talk like gangsters.
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I don't care. I like when Dorit does it.
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I like it too, because she needs to stand up for herself. But it's like, why are they talking like that?
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Nine years. Okay. Nine years. Like, it was insane.
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They're so crazy. They literally think they're like the Godfather.
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Yes. And then Erica was on Watch Happens live, and she didn't bring that energy, which I was grateful for. And Andy did ask some really good questions, specifically about, like, you know, how close Rachel Zoe and Dorit are. And, like, I think he was just trying to fish. Like, are you jealous? Are you mad? Like, do you hate that? And Erica was like, no. I'm never surprised by friendships in this group.
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I am so surprised and delighted by Rachel Zoe. Her personality is just so not what you would expect. You, like, would expect her to be, like, cold and, like, yes. Decision, and just so cool because she's so cool with the sunglasses, and she's just like, this warm, bubbly, happy, giddy person. And it's.
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You know what she is?
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What?
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She's kind of a girls girl.
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Well, she is a girl's girl, for sure. And she, like, says, like, cliche things, and they sound cool coming out of her mouth. Like, she's just really surprising and delightful. I completely agree. And I just love watching her. I feel like I just want to, like, look at her, you know? Like, her hair is so shiny and long.
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She's a spectacle.
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She's like, really? Yeah. I think she's awesome.
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Oh, my God. We've been gabbing for 20 minutes.
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I know. We've, like, talked, and we didn't get
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to, like, sort of bury in the lead, like, Sierra spoken out. We got to get to the stories.
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Yeah, we pretty much, like, did the stories in the pfft. Be, but. Oh, so you. You think we didn't find the house? I felt like there were two strong options.
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I don't know. I don't know. I was, like, also losing my mind. Jackie was like, where? The house is good. I'm like, no. And she was like, they look nice. And I was literally in the video.
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She walks into, like, this parchy bedroom, and she's like, g, this house keeps getting worse. I was like, what am I missing?
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No, because you have to be there. Like, the smell and, like, the vibe. Like, I could just tell you it wasn't.
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But I thought the room was, like, adorable. I'm like, oh, nice new room. She's like, this house just keeps.
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Guy is a dump. Yeah.
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She walks into, like, the master suite. She's like, I don't think this house
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is gonna work for us, you guys. It's the worst job in the family.
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Yeah.
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I think.
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I don't think it sounds fun at all. And it's not like. And the Hamptons are, like, pretty much, like, closed for the season, so it's not like you're out there, like, at
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Tate partying it up at Surf Lodge. No. And also what it's taught me is, like, I'm really not going to ever be able to live in the suburbs. No. The stairs, it's insane. Unless I get, like, a really big ranch style home with no stairs. It's insane that people live in houses that have, like, a basement, a main level, and then upstairs.
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Yeah, yeah. We don't have basements here in Florida. And, like, I have stairs. But my daily. I mean, aside from I come upstairs to do the show, but I'm not, like, hiking up and down the stairs all day.
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Right, Right. It doesn't seem like a pargy way of life. I'm not interested. And I've always dreamed of, like, having a mansion with a spiral staircase.
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Now, what about if it had an elevator?
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That's just, like, a fat, lazy thing to do. Do you take an elevator in your own home?
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One floor.
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Like, I would be too ashamed, even in private, honestly.
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But you could get it. Just know you could get an elevator and, like, that would sort of solve the problem. If you're on the third floor of the problem and you have to go to the basement.
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I need, like, an electric chair up and down the staircase. I think that would probably be best for me.
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That would be really beautiful to look at.
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Yeah. My big, regal staircase, and I'm sort of like, electrically sliding down.
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I think it can be solved with an elevator. Like don't let that, don't let that stop you from home ownership.
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Okay.
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Or you could buying a ranch style
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home, you know, or I could find
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a ranch style home which I know that you just want anyway. You like, love a ranch.
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I love a ranch.
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Now let's get into the stories, the fast five stories that you do need
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Thank you to Turt.
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You're welcome. Cozy Jerk.
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Our first story, Sierra Miller is breaking her silence on West Mandeval with a Glamour cover story. So Sierra Miller is on the COVID of Glamour magazine talking about West Mandeval. It's titled Sierra Miller Will Let the Universe handle it. So she's explaining the shock that she experienced, the betrayal, and how she's feeling in this moment.
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Yeah, I saw a really good quote that just I assumed this would be her take it was this. It's one thing to experience hurt behind closed doors. To experience it so publicly is adding another layer. And then to have to see what you thought was your life still play out in a season. It's a major mind. I fought with your own husband to advocate for you. I have championed you. I have tried to be there in different ways for you and help you and get you to see your value in yourself. And so to be so disregarded in such a disrespectful way, honestly, it's at times I'm lost for words. At the end of the day, a guy's a guy. Whether or not west and I are working on a relationship. You just can't put anything past a man. But I just never would think that it would have come from someone like Amanda who has been what has felt like in my circle and in my corner for so long. I think that's the craziest part.
A
That's the truth. Like, yeah, the west moving on with someone else was always going to happen. And there's really, no one he could have moved on with that would be that shocking. Aside from even if it was someone
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in the house, like Bailey, you know, like, whatever.
A
What? Not that shocking. Like, it would literally be as if he were with Paige.
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Like, yes, the bar is extremely low for him and he so meta, like, went even lower than any of us could have decided. So nothing about what west has done is that shocking.
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But even if he was someone in the house, it would have been really shocking. But, like, Matt, you know, we could. We could deal with it. We could wrap our head around it.
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Able to. Someone could. Hypothetically, let's say it was Bailey. I think that's a good example. We would have been able to, like, sort of defend her. And it's like, yeah, it's unfortunate for Sierra, but, like, you don't know Sierra. You like this guy. Like, sure, you're brought into this house. This is just. Just indefensible.
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It's the betrayal from Amanda that's the most shocking thing. And.
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And I know that people like to be like, well, we should be giving them equal hate. West and Amanda. Like, why does the women get more hate? Well, because the woman did something worse.
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Yeah. Yes, I would agree with that. Except in this article, they. They, like, they said it was akin to, like, if Selena Gomez left Benny Blanco and started dating Travis Kelsey. Like, no, it's not.
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Wait, let me think. If Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco got divorced. No, no, because they're actively together and started dating Joe Alwyn.
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Yeah, yeah, that's a better. They were together for six years. Like, and they also said it's like Leah Remini dating Ben Affleck. Okay. That's her husband.
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Maddie Healy. Matty Healy.
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Okay.
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Yeah, this is a good example. Selena Gomez divorces Betty Blanco and starts dating Maddie.
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Okay. Maddie Healing was like a decade long,
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but also Taylor is in a very happy relationship. Sierra and Amanda were not. So it's like. No, it's not. It's not a perfect.
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Yeah, no, it's not perfect, but I just thought that that was like, such a miss from them. Leah Remini dating Ben Affleck. Ben and Jen were married.
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And also, I think, like, Leah Remini and JLo, like, have been.
A
I think they're just trying to, like, explain it for people who don't know the situation. It would be like that, but it's actually not.
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The reason why this is so crazy is because you actually can't compare it to anything. You can't even compare it to Sandoval. Like, you just can't.
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It's the best and it's the best friendship. That's the betrayal. More so than the, like, whoever the guy was.
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I'm surprised she didn't do like a podcast or something just because, like, I feel like you really get to say your piece more. Although what I got from this article is that she doesn't really have anything to say. Like what? It's all already been said. It's going to be set at the reunion.
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Mostly, like for the team. It's going to be set at the reunion. They asked her, like, have you spoken to. What was your last conversation with Amanda like? She was like, it was very minimal, but we'll discuss that at the reunion. So, like.
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Yeah, well, I think that she. Whatever press she does now, and this goes for everyone when their season is airing, you do have to get your press approved by Bravo if you go on a podcast, if you go do an interview. So I. This was sanctioned by Bravo and sometimes people go rogue and the network gets really mad.
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Yeah. So there's not a lot of like information in here or tea or anything. It's more so just like a major moment. No. And like a major moment for her and it's like about, like uplifting her and like the pictures are beautiful. And it's just like, here I am. This is my first statement. I feel exactly as how you would expect. And I'm, you know, I'm back.
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Yeah. I don't think it was meant to sort of shatter anything that's going to be told to us at the reunion, which I believe I've heard films next week.
A
And Andy was on radio. Andy making some news. Couple things. Couple things. He said. He said. One, this idea that the reunion's being filmed separately and like west and Amanda are gonna film a separate segment. Not true. Everyone's sitting together.
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Good.
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Two, they are currently cutting and re editing episodes. And I do think he didn't say last week's was edited, but he does say next week's is crazy. And I think next week's is confirmed edited. But I think last week's was edited not only because of like the sitting on. When Wes sits on you as a crushing you. Sierra looks weird.
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Sabrina.
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Sabrina. Someone said. I think it was Jesse said in a. In a confessional where he looks different and new. He said that Wes, the way he's like moving in his relationships, like he's just gonna end up like Kyle. And he was the first time anyone compared Wes to Kyle in the beginning of the season. The first time since I did it.
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I Saw people putting this out on TikTok. They have been teasing this, like, big fight between Carl and Kyle in the driveway. And then they stopped teasing it, and it's like, it doesn't happen. It happened in the. In the earlier. In the earlier episodes. They kept teasing this, like, big blowout fight, and now it's almost like it. They decided it's not happening. So, yes, they definitely are editing.
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Wait, it's not happening. Why isn't it happening?
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Because they just have sort of dropped it from existence. It hasn't been promoted. It might have already happened. Like, it's gone. Allegedly.
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There's no way.
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Maybe there is no fight.
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No, there is a fight. I don't know why they would have to cut that. And also, like, this is what bothers me. Because it's like, okay, so Amanda was this villainous person for the second half of the season, and they weren't gonna show us that because they were telling a different story. And if she hadn't hooked up with Wes, we would have seen one version of the show. And now that Kyle's a villain and she's some big victim, we're seeing a different version of the show. And it's like, just give us the truth and let us make up our minds. You don't have to, like, push us in one direction, and you certainly don't have to make it worse for Amanda and, like, pepper it with things that are going to make it worse for. And make people think that they started having a fair this summer. Which, like, I know I'm naive, and I do give people the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think that they were.
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I don't think that they were either.
A
Yeah. I mean, but I feel like that's kind of what they are sort of sprinkling around.
B
Yeah. Just because they, like, want to rile up their crazy fans. I don't think that that's.
A
That's really irresponsible. I just want to say, like, right, no one's crazier than the Bravo fans. And, like, they don't even need riling up. So, like, really, you don't have to do. Do that.
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But Andy did say on radio. Andy. And it's giving Alan Cummings saying that episode of Traders is the craziest episode of TV he's ever seen in his whole life when it was extremely mid. But Andy did say that next week's Summer House is just crazy. I do believe him. Andy doesn't say that a lot.
A
Yeah, but, like, how can it. Like, what's even gonna happen. If you think about, like, where we're at in the show, like, I think west and Sierra have a conversation.
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Maybe there's, like, a big thing with west and Amanda. Like, maybe. I don't know. I don't know.
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And, like, Kyle and Amanda, like, continue to suck. Like, in this. Where we're at in the story. We're not really primed for a crazy weekend.
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Well, we'll just have to see.
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Yeah. So that's the latest Summer house. Next up. Going back to previous discussion, Alex Cooper will make her acting debut alongside Anne Hathaway in new Colleen Hoover adaptation Verity. So, at Cinemacon on Wednesday, Amazon MGM Studios unveiled its first look at Verity, the film adaptation of Colleen Hoover's psychological theory thriller, which features a scene with Alex Cooper. According to Deadline, the trailer opens with Alex Cooper playing herself interviewing Anne Hathaway's character, renowned authory. Renowned author Verity Crawford, on her hit podcast, Call Her Daddy before she goes mute. I guess so. Yeah.
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Or.
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Or is it the end of the story? You know? Right. She's at the end telling the story, and then we'll go back.
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Oh. Oh, yeah, Maybe. So this is where Alex Cooper is falling into a little bit of the James Corden trope, where, like, you know, you're getting every gig because you are well liked by people. So much so that the great John Mulaney once said, I'll always bring it back. Likability is a prison. And there's really only one place to go when people like you, and that's to just, like, truly cancel. Cancel station. And so, honestly, this is such a slay on her behalf outside of this big drama that's going on right now. This is really cool for her. And people are like, you know, in the comments, like, enough with her. Enough. But it's like, slay. You would do it, too, for a check.
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Not even for a check. I do it for free.
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A thousand percent.
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Like, it's. I don't think it's about money. It's just, like, ubiquity and like that. That's cool. Very. Yeah. I guess the timing, like, is a little icy with the announcement because people aren't going to be, like, all for it because they're just in a hateful mood right now.
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Correct.
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But I think this is objectively very cool.
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Agreed. It's great for podcasting.
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Great for podcasting.
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Can't wait for my close up.
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And Verity Crawford would go on. Call her daddy to tell her story.
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Yes, she would.
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Right.
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Or like Mel Robbins.
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No, not to tell her story.
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No, no, let me think. Like, where would.
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I guess, like, where would an author go to tell their story? The redheads.
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Correct.
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It should have opened up with you. It's charity on the redheads.
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You and Dana and Rebecca. I just want to say I would be so upset. Like, I would be so upset.
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Imagine like the redheads got like a huge moment because, you know, I'm kind
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of gunning for a seat.
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I know you are. I feel like I said, talk to Margot. Have you ever spoken to her about it?
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She's coming over for dinner tonight. I'll make sure to bring it up in a sort of tense and awkward way.
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Make her like a nice dinner and sort of butter up. Maybe buy her out.
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Okay, I'll offer her $4.
A
That's so rude. We. We do ads.
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No, no, I wasn't saying that as a reflection on the worth of the redheads. I was just saying it sounded like, willing to pay.
A
It sounded like a reflection on the worth of redheads.
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It sounded like we promised me I could pay.
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It sounded like you said, we're broke. Well, you are, we're not. And we have a but heavily anticipated next merch collection. Whenever that I decide to drop that. That will be a million dollar endeavor. Seven figures.
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Spring, summer, joggers, seven off, seven attorneys. Big business deal.
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It's going to be a seven figure collection. We'll call it that. Okay, so that is cool. You know what I was thinking about, though? And it's like all this licks versus Lex stuff, and I do feel like Alex Hooper, like, doesn't ever stop to explain herself. I would like an understanding of, like, why Dakota is on Unwell Winner Games and, like, how we're. How we're sort of swallowing that pill as a woman.
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Definitely. She's definitely, like, at a weird transitional period. And like, yeah, do a solo episode and tell us why.
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Yeah, like, stand up for your choice. You know, because I just feel like.
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But that's what I was saying the other day. Like, she does not share anything personal, whether that's even her business. She is just a vessel to create content around other people. That used to be like, actors and actresses, and now it's like more so reality stars. So that's why the whole thing is so shocking because I don't think she's ever even literally sat down and talked to us on Instagram about something that's going on in her life. It's always promoting a business or talking about somebody else or an episode. Like, that's why this is so shocking. It's the first time she's ever, like, since leaving Sophia, like, opened up personally. She does solo episodes every now and then, being like, you know, Matt and I did this. Like, it's never really that.
A
Yeah, maybe. Maybe it's because she's kind of, like, blameless in the situation.
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Well, she has to think she really did nothing wrong in order to open this up.
A
Yeah. Because, like, I feel like she doesn't answer for a lot of these other things because there's really, like, not a good way to spin it.
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Yeah, she doesn't ever. I think one of her big no go's when she goes on podcasts, but she doesn't do a lot is, like, people are not allowed to ask her about the Sophia Franklin then and that. And that's because, like, if you were to critically look at it, like, she did play a large part and she had wrongdoings. Right. But with this, I feel like she really doesn't think she did anything wrong. So unless Alex Earl has some big secret, I don't know what it's gonna be.
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Yeah, me neither. Are you ready?
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Even though I did recently see, like, a mashup. And I know, I hate when people, like, go back and look at stuff being like, this was weird because at the time, everybody ate it up. But the list of questions that she was asked Alex Earl that she was asked by Alex Cooper on their inaugural episode together, where they're sitting on those inflatable chairs sitting on her balcony. How many guys have you. When did you lose your virginity? Do you ever have anal? What kind of porn do you like? Like crazy for a college aged girl. So I hate when people, like, look back. I remember. I just want to say I feel good enough to know that, like, I remember at the time thinking it was weird. And I think I even said on the show, like, that some of the questions were so crazy.
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Like, I remember watching it and being really shocked by it. Like, jaw on the floor.
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But this was getting the. The culture right.
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But I didn't, I didn't eat it up. So, like, I feel comfortable saying I never thought that that sort of questions were really appropriate or really amazing for women, you know?
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Yeah, yeah, but you would have been like, such a hater if you said it at the time.
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Yeah, maybe I just said nothing. I don't remember what I said. But yeah, again, if you ate it up, then shut the up. Now
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put it on a shirt. I love that.
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That's really, like, the moral of the story.
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That's with, like, with Amanda too. You Were all eating it up. Like it's not even about Alex specifically. It's. This is such a thing with like, like group think on the Internet. Like you ate it up then but you like hate it now. Shut the up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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If you ate it up then shut the up now. Yeah, love.
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Are you ready for our next story? What number? Number three.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah, yeah. Might be a four story day.
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No, no, we can't. We have like a built in ad break. Like, keep going.
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Victoria Beckham is teaming up with Gap on a new collection. So Victoria Beckham x Gap collection is fully in the works. Sources confirmed to Page Six that she is ready to share her ready to wear minimalist luxury brand to collaborate with the retailer. An announcement is expected to soon.
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I love, I fucking love a diffusion line. Like they don't do it enough. I feel like H and M had a couple of years where they were doing it. Remember H and M is Belmurant. Like you could. The stories weren't saying Moschino. No. Remember Sony for Target?
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Oh, that was like the first one. They really, they, they that they sold a bike.
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Do you remember the bike? That was a cultural reset. I fudgeing love when people do this. It's not done enough. I love Victoria Beckham. Her dresses are insanely priced. Like, this is, this is what we want. This is what we want.
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Yeah, I think it's gonna be great. Like basics from like an elevated woman with an immaculate taste. Thanks.
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No, this is great for Victoria, like because, you know, there's not a lot of money in like dressing. You know, they say you dress for the masses, dine with the classes or design for the masses, eat with the classes. So this is where the money's at. I think this will do really well for her financially.
A
But she's doing well financially also because she's pivoted to beauty a lot. Like makeup is just really profitable.
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And I think makeup, her makeup, I know it's like a little popular here. I think it's really popular in the uk.
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I use her eyeliner. I bought her like white eyeliner. I like it.
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Like I keep like meaning to get stuff from her, but like it hasn't. Do they sell at Sephora?
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Well, I got targeted ads and so I bought it through Instagram, but then they stopped. Maybe they like, you know, decrease their paid media spend because I've stopped getting ads.
B
Yeah, I just feel like if you're, if your makeup doesn't sell at Sephora, I'm gonna have a really hard time acquiring it.
A
I didn't have a hard time. I had a pleasant experience and then I got the posh bomb.
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Sorry, I meant I'm have a hard time, like, finding the will to go acquire it.
A
Yeah, I guess. I disagree.
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I love Victor. Of course you do. I love Victoria Beckham for Gap. I just love this. I didn't even much like Cynthia Revo. I didn't know this was happening.
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It hasn't been fully announced yet. But that's just a little insider information.
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And I want, like, more people to do this. Like Rachel Zoe. Her shit's at TJ Maxx. Like, Ruby exclusively wears TJ Maxx. Rachel Zoe. I love this. I love it.
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Yeah. Are you ready for our fourth story?
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No.
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No. Now she's not.
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It is.
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Thank you, Turogum.
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You're welcome.
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Our next story. Meghan Trainer is canceling her tour. Meghan Trainor put out a statement saying after a lot of reflection, some really tough conversations, I've made the difficult decision to cancel the Get In Girl tour. Balancing the release of a new album, preparing for a nationwide tour, and welcoming our new Baby Girl tour. Growing family of five has just been more than I can take on right now. And I needed to be home and present for each and all of them at this time. I know this will come as a disappointment to my fans and I'm so sorry to let you down, but I know this is the right thing decision for my family and me right now. I promise I'll be back soon and I can't wait for you to hear this new record. I'm so proud of it and I'm endlessly grateful for your love and support.
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Always like not to be a. I
A
know what you're gonna say.
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Like, people don't cancel successful tours. Just saying it's giving low ticket sales. And yes, I think everything in there is true. I think the like, she was feeling overwhelmed. She does have a new baby. And then that on top of like, you have to go do a tour that's not even doing well. But I think if the tour was majorly successful in terms of ticket sales and she had all this on her plate, she would just still sort of have to do it, right?
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No, I, I'm gonna believe her. Like, first of all, I saw a lot of her old tour content. I don't know why I'm not like a Meghan Trainer girl. So I actually think like, she has touristic and she's like perfect for a tour. Her songs are fun and like, I don't think she like bites off more than she can chew in terms of like venue sizes. Like, I Think she like knows what sort of tour she can sell. And I think she's become like a new mama of three. And so she's in the same position I am right now. And anything that she thought she could do, she probably can't do.
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And that's beautiful.
A
I can understand how like you could have a tour and then be like, oh, just do the show. Like, you know, just push it. No, if I, like I would. We're canceling, we're clearing the decks.
B
So I might agree with you if at present moment she was very culturally relevant and her music was popping off. I think a lot of her success is predicated on the algorithm. Right. Like she is somebody who has been, you know, rebuilt time after time. She's come back from oblivion. People thought she was a one hit wonder. Tick Tock has been hugely instrumental in her comeback. And I think her last comeback, which was I could have my Gucci on Gucci launch this huge, like catastrophe. No, not catastrophic, like in a good way. Like huge.
A
Yeah. Say one word.
B
Yes, agree. Why?
A
Sometimes we have to say two or three words.
B
Thank you. I think it launched this huge comeback for her resurgence. A whole new generation of fans, people were obsessed with her. Tick tock, Tick tock, Tick tock. Her last tour was pretty successful. She was doing big arenas. And I just think that when your whole like fan base is just predicated on the algorithm and what Tick Tock will do for you, it's not 100 sustainable. So I actually just, I do think it was unsuccessful ticket sales and there's no shame in that.
A
Looking at this calendar as a mother of three smalls, this could never happen. This could never be done. Even if the all the tickets sold. Like I'm. How is she going to do this?
B
I'm not buying it.
A
It's not possible. But I mean she definitely bit off more than she could chew in terms of that. But I guess she thought she'd be able to. And also like she had her third via surrogacy, so maybe she didn't expect like she would have to bounce back. Like she thought she would have like an easier time. You're not like struggling with postpartum and sure I could like run out and do a show, but like it's not even like the postpartum.
B
Like I don't want to.
A
The whole postpartum is a whole other beast. But it's just like the having of three littles. Yeah, I'm sorry. Like you need new team if you thought you could do this.
B
Well, I just Want to say I really respect you for your take because even though I don't agree with it, I respect your, you know, your opinions and how your life experience is sort of coloring those opinions. While I don't agree with this take of yours, I do it in a respectful way.
A
I feel like unless you're the mother of three smalls right now, like. And if you are, you see this and you're like, oh, of course she couldn't do it. And if you're like, not, then you probably. Maybe she didn't have, like, amazing ticket sales. Maybe if every ticket was sold, she would have, like, thrown herself. She would have had to and, like, you know, had a really hard time. But, like, just cancel, you know, some. You could always just cancel. It's just this concert. Even if someone bought a ticket, like, they'll get a refund. It's just a concert.
B
Just cancel. I love canceling. I think that people don't cancel enough. And, yeah, barring, like, you know, Adele doing it the day of. And everybody flew in because they were
A
on the plane and they got the same.
B
Yeah, like, Morgan Wallen. People are literally walking into the stadium. Yeah. Giving people advance notice, make sure they get their money back. I, like, cancel more stuff this year. I just wish more people would cancel.
A
And, like, don't worry about, like, your career is not over. Like, it's fine. Like, you have to, like, you have to prioritize. Like, you have to live.
B
You know, you have to prioritize. Meg self.
A
Like, this could never happen. I don't know why she ever thought it could. But sometimes you do that, though.
B
That happens all the time. I kind of do something.
A
I kind of pop. Was going to open. That's kind of cool.
B
I don't care. I love it.
A
I need to go see Meghan Trainor on tour. But now you do? Now I can. Was she coming to my city maybe? No, she wasn't coming to Florida at all. No, she was going to Orlando.
B
They always are.
A
They always are.
B
Okay, get in, girl.
A
Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Oh, is that the song? Get in, girl.
B
Get in, girl.
A
Get in, girl I am the new song of hers that I know is my love's gonna take you to the moon.
B
Yeah, that was, like, two years ago. Moon.
A
And then she also has a song with me. Be Web cute.
B
Yes, she does.
A
Yeah. It's pretty good. She's around, you know.
B
She makes it work.
A
She makes it work.
B
She's married to Junior Cortez.
A
She makes a living.
B
Yeah. A good One and probably my favorite, Meghan Trainor fact is that it's actually her voice on the JLO song ain't your mama.
A
Like, that's my favorite viral now it's go.
B
It goes viral every couple of years. Because it is the craziest thing that Jennifer Lopez, like, literally released a song under her name and didn't change. I think Meghan Trader wrote the song and probably sent the demo off to JLo and, like, maybe JLo sang a couple of lines, but for the most part, it's Meghan Trainor.
A
Well, you know, nt, like, the theory that I sort of, like, moved on
B
from, but yeah, one of the biggest, like, blind conspiracy theories is that Jennifer Lopez cannot sing for. Has never once sang on any of her records. Back in the day, they think it was Aaliyah's voice. Like, there have been many people who have. Julia Michaels, Megan Trainor, many people who. Whose voice is used for. I think with the invention of AI, Jennifer Lopez no longer needs a stand in.
A
Yeah. But then. So I always believe that. And I just was like, she doesn't sing. She can't sing. Like, it's like the big orchestrated thing. And, like. But then we saw her perform at the Robin Hood gala live.
B
Yeah.
A
And I was like, oh, she's singing. Okay, never mind. Yeah, she did release. And I'm sorry. Like, someone who can sing, like, doesn't get this Super Bowl. Like, they could choose anyone else. Not the one who's, like, hiding this big secret.
B
So she put a video on her Instagram. This video. I will never forget this video. Oh, the iconic Happy days. It's, like, one of the hardest songs to sing in. It's sung by Barbra Streisand. No, it's sung by, like, two iconic theater people. They did it in Glee. Kurt and Rachel. Like, people eat it up. She, like, is singing with her turn friend and put it on her Instagram,
A
and it's, like, literally so bad for Lopez.
B
Yeah. Ready? Okay. It's actually gonna take it back.
A
It's just a lot, like, it's annoying,
B
and I wish you could see it.
A
It's a lot of. It's a lot. And I.
B
They're off, too.
A
Is that Jennifer? So she sings.
B
It's not bad. I just want to say it's one of the hardest songs ever to sing.
A
She sings. So it was.
B
It's not bad.
A
It's just, like, a lot. Like, it's annoying and also, like, comments are cracking. Jennifer Lopez and show tunes. It's like oil and water. Agreed. They don't mix.
B
Agree.
A
I don't want to hear her singing show tunes. Tunes.
B
I like that.
A
Our. That was.
B
Oh.
A
Our fifth and final story episode ever. Like, I just feel like every story is, like, right.
B
Very for the final.
A
And we still have, like, I. It's because I have, like, a tab here for Beverly Hills. I'm like, we're still not on that tab.
B
Oh, God, I forgot. We still have.
A
Yeah. Beverly Hills. Recap. But, no, this is a small story, and it sort of relates back to our favorite subject, but Braxton Barrios was spotted with a new lady love.
B
I saw. They don't know who she is. Right.
A
Her name is Holly Ford.
B
What a great name.
A
Yeah. She's a model, and she's gorgeous. And I'm just, like, mad at Braxton because, like, sure. Like, it's just rude, you know? Like, Alex still loves you, and you're, like, out here with Holly Ford looking so happy. Like, stop.
B
And, like, I know that Alex broke up with you, broke your heart, left you to die on the side of the road. But, like, go back. I do feel like I was thinking about him this morning. I feel like Alex and him need to get back together, and especially at a time like this. I know she's a really good support system around her. Like, she's really great friends and really great family, but I think she needs Braxton.
A
I don't think she left him on the side of the road like that.
B
No, I was totally kidding. I was kidding.
A
I feel like she didn't. You know, I think there were probably, like, bigger things, like, cities living in, maybe, like, he wants to, like, settle down sooner than she does. And I just think, like, life came between them, like, not anything based on how they feel.
B
Yeah, he was a nice boy.
A
Yeah. And so, like, yeah, he. He deserves love, too. And he seems to be, like, a serial monogamist. Like, just wants love with beautiful. He wants to love beautiful women. Like, he's a lover of women, you know?
B
I love that.
A
And it seems like they're all, like, very premium women. Like, Holly's gorgeous. Alex, Sophia, cbo. Like, he's got great taste in women, you know?
B
Yeah.
A
What can you do? I don't like it. I don't like it. There's nothing.
B
He has to move on.
A
Yeah. No, he has to live. I just do it in private, you know?
B
Yeah.
A
And he's in la. Like, go back to Houston where you belong. It's like, this season's over, but it's like, of course you're, like, gonna get seen in la, like, you can date someone.
B
I saw he was also paparazzi, I think having coffee with the same girl and the paparazzi across the street was like, what do you know about Alex Cooper? He's like, leave me alone. So he, like. Like, he's, you know, he likes being famous, and he's mostly famous, like, not for his football accomplishments, but, like, for his social life. And he's, like, an investor in a lot of, like, big companies, so he likes that life. Of course he's in la.
A
Okay, Braxton.
B
Okay, Braxton.
A
Next up, TV recap. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Was that the season finale? Yes.
B
No. Was it?
A
Yeah, because it said next week at the reunion.
B
Oh, good.
A
And they did the text on screen at the end.
B
Oh, my God. Did I finish the episode?
A
It ended with, like, one last fight between Dorit and Sutton.
B
Oh, my God. Wait, I didn't finish the episode.
A
Oh, that's.
B
I saw her get up after the conversation with Erica, and then Ben came in. Did we go to bed? Oh, man.
A
I didn't finish it, Let me tell you. You think the episode's over? Text on screens. Coming up, Tariq gets up from the conversation. Everyone's sort of parting ways, and then she goes upstairs to sit on another couch with bows, and Sutton meanders over, and it's like, you really hurt my feelings the other day.
B
Oh, my God, Sutton, like, let the
A
mouse go read is like, I hurt your feelings. I'm very sorry. She's like, look, you don't even seem sorry. And Dorit's like, what do you want me to do to prove that I'm sorry you? And the thing is, Dorit won't say sorry to Erica. She won't say sorry to Kyle. Like, she. She's goading toe to toe, but sudden said she said her face her hurt her feelings. And three's like, I'm sorry.
B
By the way, I'm having deja vu. Because the week before, didn't they have the same conversation? She was sorry.
A
She goes back to have a conversation. Dream said, you hurt my feelings the other night. And Dorit, again, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. You don't seem sorry. And they just blow up out of nowhere and they go back to, like, text on screen.
B
The thing is, is that I'm like, a die hard to read fan, and I've loved Erica the whole time she's been on the show. She's really pissing me off. And it's not that Dorit hasn't done anything that I like she's not indefensible. No, that's what I'm looking for. She's not innocent in all of this. Right. There are legitimate qualms, and I do feel like Erica has legitimate concerns for her, but doing it with Kyle, you're just giving mean girl. Kyle is obsessed with Dorit and obsessed with coming from a place of concern, even though she is so not coming from a genuine place. And I'm sorry, Erica really lost me when she said, like, well, maybe PK was right. Kyle said that last season or the season before. I think it's so disgusting. Imagine if somebody said that about, like, tom, I just, like, you lost me completely. And. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. Dorita said she is late and maybe she's been, like, short and sharp. Sure. Like, we could have had it out in a civil way, but Erica went about it the wrong way doing it with Kyle because Kyle is a bad faith actor. And then saying the thing about bk and Kyle's been a bad faith actor for, like, three years, mind you.
A
No. And Drake clocked her when Kyle's listing off all the nice things she's done for her over the years, which, yeah, you used to be a good.
B
Three years ago.
A
Three years ago. What have you done kindly for me? Since when have you supported me? Since Kyle and Dorit for me. I don't even see why they would need to be friends at this point. Like, there's nothing really to salvage there. It is such a shame with Eric and Dorit because they, like, did have a real friendship and the fact that it could just turn so quickly. And I understand, like, Dorit took it to here at. In Italy, but, like, so did Erica, So they both need to, like, forgive each other and apologize to each other. It's not one of them who did something more wrong. And I imagine Dorit is such a frustrating, like, not a fun person to be friends with right now.
B
It's.
A
She is frantic, she is late, she is stressed, she's overwhelmed. But, like, that's the point of friendship. It's like, if you can't be a friend when it's hard to be a friend. Like, anyone can be a friend when it's easy.
B
Dorit and Kyle will never be friends. Like, they are so far from one another.
A
Yeah.
B
I do think that Dorit and Erica is a friendship worth saving and that there's a lot of miscommunications happening. But as long as Erica keeps operating, like, under Kyle's thumb, it's. And, like, also in defense of Kyle, if she can't separate her friendship with dorit from the three of them. It's never gonna work.
A
Yeah. And I want to give Erica more credit. Not that she's operating under Kyle's thumb, because I really don't think she can be, like, managed, manipulated, but I think that she should recognize that she should take up her beef with dorit separately from independently. Like, not be on a walk, the three of them, and be on Kyle's side. Like, it's never going to end well because Kyle and dorit aren't gonna end well. So, like, she needs to not be backing up Kyle, just have, like, her own separate grievances and because the way that she's airing them, like, it is a gang up.
B
Yeah. And then, like, just Kyle's so desperate to make it all. Like, we all think this. We all, we all, we all. And nobody speaks up on her behalf. Like, and she's, like, screaming at everyone. It's so desperate. She's obsessed with, like, getting everyone to turn on dorit, and it's just not happening. It worked on. On Erica, though. Yeah.
A
And then also I was like, will someone speak up? And then Erica's, like, agreed, and then Sutton agrees, like, sudden is the biggest follower. It's the craziest thing. I just want to give mvp. Like, not of the season, but just, wow, major congratulations to Amanda Francis, who turned it.
B
Turned around.
A
She turned it around. I thought her reasoning for going to dorit's event was so genuine. Genuine. And, like, that's what we're always saying, like, women who support other women. And it's like, if you don't actually support another woman, if you. If you're worried about her finances, but you won't actually support her endeavors and trying to make money, like, are you really worried about her finances? And I thought the Dorit's book party was going to be, like. Like, kind of sad because who has. Who has a cover party for, like, a book they haven't written yet?
B
And half the castmates don't show up,
A
and you just, like, are unveiling a picture, but it was so full of love and purpose and. And meaning, and I was so not expecting that. And then to make it a celebration of Bose's engagement and the girls that were there were really there for her, and it felt. It did turn into be, like, a big moment in the season. And, like, I. I now want to. Now I see, like, what supporting dorit's book will mean for dorit. I will be ordering Dorit's book.
B
I also just one thing with Amanda, I completely agree. I still think she's, like, miscast and whatever, but I do think she turned it around and there is something about walking the walk and talking the talk, and that's exactly what she did. I just want to read to be, like, a little bit more grateful. Like, I thought they had a nice moment, but it would have, I think, went a long way with Amanda just to be, like, you know, outwardly grateful. And she was, like, nodding and smiling and it was nice, but I think she should have been, like, a little bit more, like, charismatic.
A
Yes. I think that the way that we watched it as viewers, the way it was packaged to us made us realize what. How Amanda was like, going out of her comfort zone to do this. Whereas Dorit might have thought, like, the whole cast was going to come. And now these people who have, like, long standing issues with her aren't coming. But, like, why would Amanda Francis miss a cast event, not realizing? And I think maybe I'm gonna give her credit that when she watches the episode that she will have more of an appreciation for, like, her line of thinking.
B
That's a good analysis because she probably
A
just expected Amanda to show up. Just like she shows up, she has
B
to show up for her job.
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
B
No, you're right. You're right. It was sweet.
A
It. It was sweet. And I thought that was, like, a really sweet moment and episode.
B
I'm lit up for the reunion. I know it's been a boring season, but, like, I'm down.
A
Yeah, I know it hasn't been boring because I just like the girls. I don't need them to always be popping off. It's been, like, a little frustrating. But I've enjoyed, you know, watching the glitz and the glam and Rachel and Kathy.
B
Bring Denise back.
A
Bring Denise back. Erica saying, bring Lisa, Rinna back.
B
Brigley, Serena back. Even though I don't think at this point she would really?
A
Why?
B
Because right now she's having, like, a big moment. I don't think she needs housewives. Maybe there were years where, like, if they would have asked, she would have come back. But right now she's kind of riding a high. From Traders. Her book did really, really well. I think she's, like, big in fashion. She hasn't met. It's couture. Couture, honey. And I think right now she doesn't
A
need it, but that's not gonna last, and she knows that better than anyone.
B
Maybe the next time they reach out, she'll be in a place where, like, she should accept it. But I don't think she needs to right now. No, she doesn't. Even though I would love to have
A
her back, she doesn't need. But, like, I think she'd be coming back in a position of power. I think that. That, you know, if she had come back in the other years when she really needed to, like, now she's coming back sort of on top of the world. Like, she has a lot of fan love behind her and her daughters are, like, so successful. You know, she'd be coming back as, like a big dog again. Yeah, I think that she should. And I think that I'm ready to receive her. I'm ready to receive her.
B
Me too. And there were many years where I wasn't.
A
And I, like, need effort to read. I need all this pressure off of. Of Dorit and, like, it's all.
B
Dorit is carrying the show.
A
What's frustrating, it's like, it's the demise of her family that's carrying the show. It's not even like she's in there stirring the pot. It's like, it's such, like a real thing. It's almost not fun to watch because you just know, like, what's coming for her. And I.
B
It.
A
I hate that it's like the central drama of the show because it's not a fun drama.
B
Yeah.
A
It's not like tea and whatnot.
B
I had a really hard time coming up with my queenie and weenie this week just because, like, I haven't really made it to Cree on licks Lex. So, like, maybe I could have made one of Alex's. My weenie. One of the queenie. But, like, I don't know where we're at yet.
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
And that sort of took up my whole week. So I will say let's do queenie and weenie. Our final segment of the week where Jackie and I like to give out two awards. Queenie of the week. And we need the week. It's a great way to wrap up the week, send you guys off into the weekend, take a look back at a glance, if you will, and give out two awards. They're pretty self explanatory. Queenie of the week and weenie of the week. If you acted like a queenie, you be queenie. If you act like a weenie, you might be weenie. Start with queenie. I know we do it every week the same and I always forget we
A
always start with queening. Yes.
B
Okay. My queenie is more of a thing. It's a noun. It's. It's not a person, not a place, but it's a thing.
A
Okay.
B
And it's the leading news source for Alex V. Alex. I feel like we kind of carried the Internet this week, just in being, like, the Internet's big sister.
A
Yeah.
B
And I feel like we gave a lot of really nuanced takes. We didn't, like, jump on the pylon. I feel like we're being very measured, and I just think the work that we did this week, if there was, like, a digital Pulitzer, like a shorty award, a Webby, I feel like what we did this week was spectacular. Honestly, I'm giving it to the toast.
A
I love that. I nominate. I'd like to thank me.
B
Correct. What about me, Queenie?
A
Queenie. I mean, how can I top that? What am I gonna say? What am I gonna say? Like, yes, of course. I know we only give it to ourselves sparingly, but, like, I'll take it, you know? Okay. Wiener. So many.
B
I know. I actually have one, but it would
A
start stuff, and I know. I can feel it.
B
No, you don't.
A
Yes, I do. I do know. I'm gonna text it.
B
Do you really?
A
Yeah.
B
If you guess it right, I'll share it.
A
Oh, I love that for us.
B
Where's.
A
Wow. We haven't texted in a while. We haven't texted in a while.
B
We're always, like, communicating in group chat.
A
PK Texas.
B
Text and memes.
A
Text and memes. Okay, now I'm sending it to you.
B
No jokes and memes. No, you got it wrong.
A
Okay, tell me, but you don't have to say it now. I don't even know who that is.
B
Yeah, you do. I will not be saying it. So I'm abstaining from Winnie this week just because, like, I'm seeing all the Internet drama while I'm living for it. I don't want to be a part of it. It's like, I'm not. Sorry. Starting stuff.
A
Okay, I think that's fine. I think it's fine. Do I have a weenie?
B
No, you have a vagina.
A
Okay.
B
I don't believe in giving out weenies, like, superfluously.
A
No.
B
Then. Then that's mean spirited.
A
Agreed. And takes, like, the power away from the title. Like, if you weren't, like, Super Winnie.
B
What a great week. Alex. Earl, if you post your response video in the next hour or two, like, I will seriously never forgive you.
A
Yeah.
B
Save it till Sunday night at point.
A
Yeah, I don't think Sally would let her do that to us.
B
Sally? Yeah. Sally's sort of steering the ship.
A
Don't you feel 1000% as she should?
B
Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast of Millennia morning show. We deal with the fastest show every Monday, the Friday YouTube. So watching us on YouTube, please don't forget to subscribe and give us video thumbs up. We're also available as podcast anywhere podcast we found so Spotify public advocates all the places we are. Have an amazing weekend. We love you and we'll see you on Monday.
A
Love you. Bye.
Episode Title: The Court Will Take A Recess: Friday, April 17th, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Producer: Dear Media
Original Air Date: April 17, 2026
This episode centers around the ongoing drama in the influencer and podcasting world, especially focusing on the unresolved feud between Alex Cooper (Call Her Daddy) and Alex Earle. Jackie and Claudia analyze the industry’s response, address the dynamics of online pile-ons, discuss recent headlines (from Sierra Miller’s Glamour interview to Meghan Trainor's canceled tour), and end with their trademark TV recaps and “Queenie & Weenie” awards. The tone is candid, opinionated, and infused with their signature humor and pop culture savvy.
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On Stan Culture:
“You trust your faves. And you're like, yeah, that's my Queen right there. She doesn't even need to respond. Or when she does, it'll be perfect...” — Claudia [01:40]
On Defending Cancelled Women:
“I almost always, like, jump to the defense of the person who's being canceled, because... it's just devastating.” — Claudia [02:12]
On Podcaster Hypocrisy:
“Self-proclaimed girls’ girls… are some of the nastiest f*cking bitches you've ever met...” — Claudia [04:20]
On Wanting the Facts:
“I just want to know what she did first. No accusations have been made yet.” — Claudia [13:55]
On Jealousy in the Industry:
“She is on another stratosphere... She has interviewed everyone. There's nobody she can't interview except for Taylor Swift.” — Claudia [14:40]
On Victoria Beckham for Gap:
“I love a diffusion line. They don't do it enough... This is what we want!” — Claudia [43:35]
On Cancel Culture Online:
“If you ate it up then, shut the f*ck up now.” — Claudia [42:42]
As always, Jackie and Claudia blend cultural analysis with playful banter. They’re critical yet empathetic, especially regarding online behavior and the real-life impact of influencer/internet feuds. Both value nuance over tribalism and take pride in being “the Internet’s big sister,” refusing to pile on without facts. The show ends on a note of self-congratulation for their coverage, with a promise to tackle whatever comes next in the ever-evolving pop culture landscape.