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Claudia
Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.
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Jackie
It's your favorite show.
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Claudia
The best five things you need to know.
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Jackie
We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.
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Claudia
They sound amazing.
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Jackie
Welcome back to the Toast and happy Thursday. Hope everybody's having a part. Delicious definitions and also a fergalicious weekend. Or Thursday. Just. Oh, Friday.
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Claudia
Wait, Thursday. It's Thursday.
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Jackie
I kind of thought it was Friday all morning.
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Claudia
Oh, that's a bummer for you, because I was about to say I didn't want to jinx it, but I felt like this week was kind of like cruising by in a timely manner. But not if you think it's Friday.
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Jackie
Yeah, like, up until this very moment, it was Friday.
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Claudia
But we have our music class, and our music class is on Thursdays.
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Jackie
Yeah.
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Claudia
Hmm.
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Jackie
Interesting how the mind works.
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Claudia
Well, it is Thursday, if that changes your feelings.
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Jackie
Yeah, worse for sure.
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Claudia
Yeah. But you have more time to accomplish the things that you need to accomplish this week. Sure. How does that sound?
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Jackie
Yeah, I have more time to finish Love Story. A John F. Kennedy Jr. And Caroline Bissette story.
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Claudia
You're watching it.
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Jackie
I am. I got, like, hoodwinked. Everyone was talking about it, and you know what? Like, and everyone's saying, it's so amazing. It's so amazing. And I've kind of been off Ryan Murphy for a while. I don't do American Horror Story. Like, all of his shows are, like, so freaky. I loved the OJ One. Or. Yeah, OJ And Monica Lewinsky was very good. So, you know, he does, like, these historical things really well. And this is kind of like a blind spot in American culture for me. I wasn't alive, and, like, I just. I don't know. I never got into it. But everyone talking about it, like, it's so chic. It's so chic. I'm like, you know what? I kind of need to watch it. And I started it with Ben, and it was so funny because the first scene is, like, the very end of their story, and then they go back in time and they're, like, getting into a plane.
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Claudia
Yeah.
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Jackie
Ben has no idea. He's like, this show is amazing. And, like, he's like, oh, he flies. Like, Ben has no idea what happens, and it's so funny. And I really don't know a lot about her, about the Kennedys in general. It's just, like, not like a rabbit hole I've ever really gone down. Now I'm obviously, like, obsessed, and I Just want to say, like, the show is really not good. The acting is so corny. It's almost camp, like, how bad it is. But the story itself and these two people are so inherently interesting. And, like, the time in New York, the Calvin Klein. Like, it's so chic. The show is amazing because of that. But don't get it twisted. Like, it's not. It's not a show that's, I think, done well.
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Claudia
It's not a job well done.
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Jackie
No, but it's very hard to fuck up. They got two actors who really look like, excuse me, I'm sorry. Naomi Watts sucks as Jackie. Oh, I do believe it's very hard to play Jackie. Oh, I made fun of Natalie Portman, too. Like, jock. Like, you have to talk. So fucked. And she's not doing a good job either. But I think anyone who does that accent, like, I would have thought Jackie O playing it was weird. Yeah, it's just a weird way to talk.
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Claudia
Maybe she's a weird lady.
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Jackie
So, like, I have problems with, like, a lot of it, and it's not good, but it's so good. And the crazy thing is the Carol Radziwell erasure, because I feel like Ryan Murphy watched Housewives and, like, hates Carol Radzwell because, like, he literally cut her out. And I don't think.
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Claudia
Because Lee's in it.
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Jackie
Not Lee. Her. Anthony.
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Claudia
Yeah, yeah.
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Jackie
He is JFK Jr. S best. He's in the seat. I've only watched two and a half episodes. He's in it ten times already, so. And I've heard that she's not in the show at all, but, like, she was there. I thought maybe in House she was, like, lying about her involvement. And again, I didn't really know the players. So her saying, like, she was best friends with, like, Jack. Jack, like, sure. No, she was there.
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Claudia
Or maybe she wasn't, according to Ryan Murphy.
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Jackie
You know, Ryan Murphy hates her for sure.
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Claudia
Oh, that's so interesting.
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Jackie
And now I'm just putting all the pieces together because he keeps going to, you know, dinner at home with Jackie O. And his sister Caroline. Caroline. Jack Schlossberg's mom. So, like, I didn't really understand, like, the Kennedy dynasty and, like, who's married to who.
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Claudia
Yeah.
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Jackie
And I know that, like, Arnold Schwarzenegger's wife is in there a little bit. Like, I need to learn a little bit.
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Claudia
There's a lot of kids.
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Jackie
Like, actually, it reminds me of my favorite TikTok. You would love this.
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Claudia
There's a lot I don't Know which generation it is. But like, RFK's siblings. He has a lot of siblings. Oh, right.
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Jackie
And then rfk. Right. Okay. Do you know these? Okay. This is my favorite video. They, like, do singing. They make songs about, like, big families. They did one about the Kardashians.
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Claudia
Yes, I've seen them.
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Jackie
Kennedy, Big daddy Kennedy, have nine Kennedys. Joseph, John, Rosemary, Kate, Eunice, Pat, Bobby, Jean, Doug Kennedy. Here we go. John F. Kennedy, 35th presidency of the United States of America.
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Claudia
Mary, Lady Jackie, fashion night and Jackie,
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Jackie
we love you, Lady Jackie.
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Claudia
Jackie. Oh, you Miss Kennedy.
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Jackie
John's little sis found in the Special Olympics. Bobby Kennedy was a USA and one one also at 20.
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Claudia
Jane, he saw her marry Perry.
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Jackie
She married someone very important. And Aliyah to resign. So scary. So like the lore on the Kennedys. I know I'm not the first person to ever say this.
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Claudia
That's like, the point is really crazy. Like, I've not really gotten into them either.
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Jackie
Yeah.
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Claudia
I did read one book that was, like, fan fiction of John and Heroin. The Meant to be. I think it was called Emily Giffen.
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Jackie
Emily Giffen.
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Claudia
Yeah. Oh, it was so amazing. You know, I think I like that version better.
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Jackie
I need to get into it. And then, of course, the Taylor Swift of it all.
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Claudia
Yes. Yes. There's just a lot of them.
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Jackie
I think you would like the show. And also, like, you learn about Carolyn Bessette. Like, she was kind of plucked from obscurity. Like, she was working at the mall.
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Claudia
I learned about Carolyn and Meant to be by Heavenly Giffen.
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Jackie
Correct. No, it's really, like, it's good. And not because I can't stress enough. Like, the show is not, like, the acting is so bad. But I also like Ryan Murphy's, like, clearly taking out personal grievances, like, based on his entire interpretation of, like, their relationship. Like, John F. Kennedy Jr. Was, like, such a loser. Like, he could not get arrested. He fell the bar exam three, like, two and a half times, and he was like, this isn't district attorney, but, like, because of who he was. And they have a rule. If you're, like, in the district's attorney's office, like, you have to pass the bar within three times. So when he didn't pass each time, it was, like, big headline news. So he was just, like, a loser. He didn't know. He was like, want to start a political magazine called George? I don't know what ends up happening with that. Like, this whole thing is, like, a spoiler free zone for me, because I have no idea. And then Carolyn Bassett was just like. She was that girl.
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Claudia
Yeah.
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Jackie
But also, I was reading a TikTok. Yeah, I read TikToks reading a TikTok about how, like, Carolyn Bessette never did any interviews. Like, nobody really knows her personality. So the girl playing her is just kind of, like, making up, like.
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Claudia
Yeah. Based off of, like, photos.
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Jackie
She's, like, very cool girl. She was, like, having sex with a lot of people. And, like, you see her boobs in the show, which I thought was weird, because that's so not Carolyn. No, I know.
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Claudia
So, like, that's kind of, like, undignified, like, for.
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Jackie
Yeah, I've seen her boobs twice already.
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Claudia
She didn't ever even gave an interview. And you're showing us her boobs. I know.
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Jackie
It was very.
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Claudia
She wouldn't like that.
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Jackie
But, like, I don't know where they're getting this information from that she's a cool girl. Like, out every night. Like, she never does cocaine. Everybody around her does cocaine.
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Claudia
Probably from, like, the people who knew her, you know, probably after everything happened with them. Like, people shared, like, tributes about her.
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Jackie
Oh, well, okay. So I'm, like, learning a lot. And justice for Daryl Hannah, who was, like, an actress at the time, who was dating JFK for, like, many years before. And she's like, Ryan Murphy hates her. Like, she's such a loser.
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Claudia
Who does Ryan Murphy.
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Jackie
Like, it's a love letter to Carolyn Bessette. She's so fucking cool. Except the actress has to stop doing this. She's always biting her lip, but it's like, girl. There are other, like, gestures. She doesn't stop doing it. I don't even know what's trying to convey. It's not, like, sexy. It's like she's thinking. She went to the Carrie Bradshaw school of acting. The girl, like, it's so turned. She's, like, jogging around New York City with her curly blonde hair. Whatever. Back to what I was saying about what? Oh, Daryl Hannah. Oh. And so then, like, they haven't even gotten together yet. It's like, the love story of, like, how they got together. And she is, like, this big head honcho. She, like, discovered Kate Mo at Calvin Klein. She's, like, always discovering people, and she's, like, seeing this guy, and she decides, like, she, like, she just wants to make him the next. They had to replace Mark Wahlberg after his, like, slur drama. Do you remember that?
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Claudia
No.
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Jackie
He was the face of Calvin Klein. Like, he was also, like, a rapper. And then he said a slur, and they, like, had to Mark. Marky. Mark and the Funky Bunch. So they had to get rid of Marky and the Bunch. So they were looking for a replacement. And she's like, this guy, she's. He's really handsome and, like, a model, so she makes him. Whatever. And I was looking like, who is it? Is it, like, Brad Pitt? Who is it supposed to be? And it was this guy I never heard of. Michael Bergen. Of course. He wrote a memoir after Carolyn died, saying they continued their relationship, her and JFK jr's relationship. Now he was giving, like, star. Like, if that's the case, like, don't put it in a book. The fact that you're putting in a book makes me think that it's not true.
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Claudia
No. And, like, have some respect for the spoiler alert.
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Jackie
Oh, dead right.
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Claudia
You know, like, we didn't need to know that.
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Jackie
Yeah. I just kind of, like, need Carol Radwell to speak up.
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Claudia
Maybe she has. Would you even know?
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Jackie
No, I don't follow her on platforms. But, like, the erasure of Carol Raw is real. I think you would enjoy it.
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Claudia
Maybe I'll watch it. I have so much on my plate right now. Last night, I watched Summer House from the night before, and I'm continuing my journey through Southern charm of getting caught up. So I was very much in the Bravo sphere. Summer House is, as predicted. It's just gonna be like, copy paste every episode of, like, Kyle, Amanda fighting, making the house uncomfortable until they eventually divorce in four months. From what we're watching now, they're gonna.
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Jackie
And then there's another TV show.
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Claudia
They're gonna live like this for four more months where they literally, like, they don't like each other. It's so painful to watch. Like, it really is. And they're both so sad, you know, and it's. And it's just sad. It's not like, tea or anything.
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Jackie
Summer should be fun.
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Claudia
It's just a sad thing to watch because, like, she's obviously, like, very alone and very depressed. And, like, she can't change this person. And he is just, like, he's alone in this world. Like, he's very sad. And, you know, separating the art from the artist because I know we have personal. Me just watching this character on a TV show, I'm, like, sad for both of them. And it's clear that they can't make each other happy. So, like, why. Why are we still trying? But then she'll, like, say nice things about him. She'll be like, I can't help. I'm in love with him.
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Jackie
Well, that's what I was saying. Like, before they announced their divorce, I actually, like, stopped thinking that they were bad for one another because their love must have been so great to carry them through, like, really unforgivable things. And she must have loved him so, so much. Like, so at that point, like, I almost was rooting for them.
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Claudia
Yeah.
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Jackie
But the love wasn't enough.
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Claudia
That love wasn't enough. Is it ever?
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Jackie
Because that was, like, really all they had at the end. I don't think they were, like, a well matched couple.
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Claudia
They don't have love. That's not.
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Jackie
Sorry. Not at the end. Like, but for the most part, like, that was all they really had. Like, they just loved each other.
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Claudia
No, I don't. Yeah.
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Jackie
I mean, why else would you stay? Like, seriously, why else?
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Claudia
I don't know. Maybe just because, like, you can just, like, be comfortable with someone, like, they're your best friend. And, like. And she keeps saying, that's my best friend. I'm like, no, Sierra's your best. The way you talk to Sierra, like, you're so happy. You're so engaged. The way you talk to him. That's not your best friend. They. They had a fight last weekend, and they didn't talk about. They didn't talk all week. And then when they came out, he, like, goes to apologize, and she's like, why don't you talk to me all week? And. And he was like, you know, and he's like, you wouldn't talk to me, whatever. But it's like, you're living in the same apartment.
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Jackie
You didn't talk all week, and then you only talk on tv. That's really bad.
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Claudia
Yeah. They're in a really bad place, and I think if they wanted to, they could, you know, work through it. But why work through it?
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Jackie
There's nothing worth.
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Claudia
When you are who you are and she is who she is, and you're both going in different directions. Like, seriously, why work through it.
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Jackie
Yeah. And also, like, Kyle is who he is. He has been who he is, and, like, he's been really upfront about who he is for many years. I feel like she went through a transition, and sometimes you just change. In addition to all the other things that are wrong with the marriage, like, I think she evolved past him.
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Claudia
Yeah. And evolved past putting up with it.
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Jackie
Yeah. Which is good.
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Claudia
Yeah. But it's. It's gonna be a long summer.
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Jackie
It's gonna be a long, hot summer. We should be together with your feet up on the dashboard now Oh, I wonder what Keith Urban thinks about Paul Salem.
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Claudia
Oh, my gosh.
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Jackie
We should have a rival photo of Keith Urban.
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Claudia
We should audition of the week along with businessman. But he's probably sick when he watches the toast and he sees his girl's new man.
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Jackie
And one thing about the toast, like, we are Keith Urban first show. We love Keith Urban.
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Claudia
You're Keith over Nicole.
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Jackie
Actually, like, I don't know. Let me think really hard.
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Claudia
Like, I have to think about all their past history.
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Jackie
I mean, her step forward wives, him, somebody like you.
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Claudia
Yeah.
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Jackie
The fighter. Like, it's her big little lies. Like, I actually don't know whose cultural impact is personally greater.
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Claudia
And then like, on a personal level, they've. They both seem lovely. Yeah.
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Jackie
I don't think we have to take sides.
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Claudia
But what about, like, if Keith and Paul are in a duel?
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Jackie
Oh, I'm rooting for Keith.
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Claudia
You're rooting for Keith. Even if it breaks Nicole's heart. Correct.
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Jackie
Maybe that's like the journey back to one another, you know?
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Claudia
You think so?
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Jackie
I do feel like I'm still holding out hope. Like, I'm like, they are otp.
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Claudia
No, when sometimes I'm couple. Like, whenever I get past the shock of a couple divorcing and then like, I'm like, okay, they're split up. I'm like, how were they ever together?
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Jackie
Oh, no, I thought what you're gonna say and that I think is that when a couple splits up and then gets back together, like, I don't know how you could lay with someone who you've been broken up with. Like, I think that a lot about, like, Greg and Nene, even though I do think they were one of the greatest love stories of our times. Like, you went all the way to get divorced, and when you get divorced, you see, like, truly the worst side of someone. Then you get back together with them. That's crazy behavior.
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Claudia
No, that, that I wasn't even saying because that's so crazy. I just mean, like, wow, there was a time where Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman were together. What?
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Jackie
I'm still living in that time.
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Claudia
What a time. But that's how I feel about, like, Kyle and Randall. Like, how are these people ever together?
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Jackie
Kim and Kanye.
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Claudia
Yeah. Lala and Randall.
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Jackie
Lala and Randall. Yeah.
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Claudia
One of the greats.
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Jackie
One of the famous couples throughout history.
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Claudia
Oh, for sure. If we have a famous couples throughout history party, I'm dressing up as them.
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Jackie
Oh, you are? I like that. If we have a famous couples throughout history party, I'm dressing as Joe Manchinello and Sofia Vergara.
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Claudia
Oh, that's nice. It's just like, I know that Randall is, like, bad, bad, but I'm still, like, living in, like, the fantasy of what I thought their relationship was, of
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Jackie
what we were told.
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Claudia
Yeah, I know. Like, logically, I know. But, like, when I think about, like, the trope of Lala and Randall, like, I think it's what I thought their relationship was like. That sounds nice. Yeah.
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Jackie
Like, everybody doubted them, but it was a true love. Until it wasn't. No.
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Claudia
And it was nothing of the sort of. No.
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Jackie
It was literally a nightmare.
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Claudia
Not funny. And you said she's doing a podcast with his ex wife.
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Jackie
I did see that.
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Claudia
They're making a lot of news. I see a lot of clips. Do you?
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Jackie
Is it hard for you not to choose them as stories?
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Claudia
No, no, no. It's not. It's nothing. Like, there's not, like, big bombshells being shot, but it's just like, the way they interact and, like, talk about stuff. And I think the ex wife talks about how it was, like, so good actually when Lala was with Randall and, like, having her in the house and, like, for her kids, like, it was actually a thing. Yeah. Nice. Beyond, like, the betrayal once they got past that.
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Jackie
Yeah. That Amber Von Tussel is a bigger woman than me.
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Claudia
Yeah. Amber Von Tussel.
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Jackie
That's a famous couple throughout history. Lincoln Amber. Are you more of a Lincoln Amber Stan, or a Tracy and Link Stan?
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Claudia
What do you think, Amber?
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Jackie
Like, if you had to boil down our personalities, it's literally Tracy v. Amber.
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Claudia
It's just like, not true for me.
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Jackie
No, it's not. But just, like, aesthetics wise.
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Claudia
Yeah. Like, on the surface you think.
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Jackie
Right. But who do you think you really are you a penny?
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Claudia
I have bits of penny.
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Jackie
Like, who do you really in your soul? Not esthetics. Like, in your soul. Who do you see yourself in when it comes to the cast of Hairspray? Because I actually see myself as Courtney Collins.
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Claudia
Like, I was going to say the same.
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Jackie
Okay.
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Claudia
I was going to say corny.
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Jackie
That tracks.
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Claudia
Yeah, just like affable.
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Jackie
Sound off in the comments. Who do you see yourself as non esthetically but spiritually in the cast of Hairspray? I'm also like Motormouth Maybelle to my.
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Claudia
You're also Edna turn model. In spirit.
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Jackie
Don't be rude.
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Claudia
We said in spirit.
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Jackie
You're kind of Ms. Pinky. Mr. Pink.
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Claudia
Mr. Pinky. Yeah. Jerry Stiller. Love him. There's really no bad answers.
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Jackie
There's. Except Amber Von Tussel's mom. Like, she's legitimately evil. And, like, racist as hell. Like, she's awful. She is. That's also the weird part about Hairspray is, like, it's such a swirly movie, but they're. I feel like I've said this before. I'm having deja vu. But it's low key, like, addressing, like, a very difficult time in our country. There's, like, you know, segregation, and we're, like, singing about it. It's crazy.
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Claudia
No, but I think that's, like, a great way to, like, you know, learn the lesson is through music. I also feel like I relate to Seaweed's little sister. Little Inez.
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Jackie
Yeah. Is she in the original, or was she, like a. A character they created when they redid the movie?
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Claudia
She's in the original because when they go to.
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Jackie
Oh, she wins the pageant.
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Claudia
Yeah. And when they go to Motormouth Maybell, like, she's there. But in the second movie, they gave her her own song.
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Jackie
Like, they explored her a little bit.
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Claudia
They explored. Yeah, they developed that character, and I think it was a value add.
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Jackie
Everything.
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Claudia
Okay.
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Jackie
We're going down the Hairspray rabbit hole. But I just have to say everything they did in the modern adaptation of Hairspray that, like, you know, sometimes they write new music, like Wicked wrote original music, and they change the original storyline almost always. I think those are mistakes. Like, the Wicked songs were terrible, but Without Love, which was a song they originally wrote for the new adaptation. And, like, the little script changes, little Inez's backstory.
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Claudia
Run and Tell. That I believe was Baby, Run and Sit.
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Jackie
The black of the berry, the sweet of, like, every decision they made in Perfection.
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Claudia
Yeah. Who made that movie? I feel like Sean McNamara for sure. No, I think it was. Oh, was it the guy who does all the. All of them? Adam Shankman.
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Jackie
You know him?
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Claudia
Oh, he go. Adam Shankman is the Paul McNamara of movie musicals.
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Jackie
Okay, so Adam Shankman has done Rock of Ages.
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Claudia
Yeah. That's not what I'm talking about.
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Jackie
Hairspray. What Men Want, which I don't think that Mel Gibson movie is what you're talking about. The Pacifier. A perfect movie. Oh, A Walk to Remember. Cheaper by the dozen 2. Bringing down the House. Oh, he obviously loves Steve Martin.
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Claudia
The Wedding Planner.
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Jackie
Step up, Step up.
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Claudia
All the step ups. The last song.
- [17:36]
Jackie
17 again.
- [17:37]
Claudia
The last song.
- [17:38]
Jackie
That's amazing. Hairspray. Wait, you guys. Hairspray, too?
- [17:41]
Claudia
White lipstick.
- [17:42]
Jackie
What is Hairspray 2?
- [17:43]
Claudia
How have we not seen that? Oh, my God, he did. He's all that with Addison Ray. That's A perfect movie. I don't know why she stopped making.
- [17:51]
Jackie
Oh, it was a working title of a now canceled sequel to Hairspray. It was ordered by New Line Cinema and written by John Waters. Oh, sorry. John Waters wrote the original Hairspray. My bad. It was set to star the original cast, minus Michelle Pfeiffer as Velma Von Tussel, so I guess she didn't commit to it. But it never. It was called Hairspray 2 White Lipstick. What the hell does that mean?
- [18:13]
Claudia
The last song. I feel like you haven't fully ingested that.
- [18:16]
Jackie
No, no, I ingested it. Threw it up, put it in a blender, gave birth to it. Like, amazing.
- [18:20]
Claudia
Like, just for that alone. Yeah. So add him to the list of greats, People who can direct our biopic, our B story. Yeah, it's a short, short list.
- [18:29]
Jackie
Sean Mc. Yeah, who is it? Just Sean McNamara. And what's his name?
- [18:32]
Claudia
Adam Shankman for the time being. Yeah, that. Should I start a list of great directors? Oh, and Kenny Ortega.
- [18:40]
Jackie
Oh, of course. So he's a choreographer.
- [18:42]
Claudia
No, but he directs, too, because he did High School Musical.
- [18:44]
Jackie
Yeah. He also did Dirty Dancing, which I feel like is his, like, greatest claim to fame, which is crazy, because, like, I don't care.
- [18:49]
Claudia
To me, that's his flop era. 1000% best directors.
- [18:56]
Jackie
Adam Shankman, Sean McNamara. Oh, and then also, like. No, it's not even the. The list is not best directors. It's, like, the only directors we would trust with our. No, no, because it's like, people who will be involved in our biopic. Because also, I'm trying to remember this guy's name.
- [19:25]
Claudia
Who is it?
- [19:28]
Jackie
Remember we were talking about that songwriter who's, like, written all of the songs that we like?
- [19:32]
Claudia
Yes.
- [19:32]
Jackie
Was it, like, the guy who written, like, One Direction or the Climb? I looked up. He could be the one. I thought that's what we were talking about from Hannah Montana.
- [19:39]
Claudia
I feel like it was the climb that put us on this rabbit hole.
- [19:44]
Jackie
No, his name sounded so funny.
- [19:45]
Claudia
I think it was a woman. Only a woman could write the climb.
- [19:48]
Jackie
I think it was, like, Jesse something. It wasn't the climate. I think we looked up, like, who
- [19:52]
Claudia
wrote most of Jesse Alexander? And that's a woman.
- [19:55]
Jackie
No, it wasn't. It wasn't. Do you know that ed sheeran wrote 18 by one direction?
- [20:01]
Claudia
I feel like I do. That's something like, they're always trying to shove down my throat, like, fun facts.
- [20:05]
Jackie
Yeah, like, we don't care. All right, what I'm looking for, like,
- [20:08]
Claudia
when you're on an airplane and they have like pop culture facts.
- [20:11]
Jackie
Right, right.
- [20:14]
Claudia
Okay, let's get into the stories. We haven't even started the show.
- [20:16]
Jackie
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
- [20:17]
Claudia
Before we like start.
- [20:18]
Jackie
That's like the. Sorry. That's like, that's like pipeline.
- [20:21]
Claudia
That's like fourth quarter things.
- [20:23]
Jackie
Yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
- [20:24]
Claudia
We're still in the first quarter heading into the second quarter where we present the Fast 5 stories that you do need to know and the Fast 5
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Jackie
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Claudia
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Claudia
Our first story major news ex Prince Andrew arrested on his 66th birthday following Epstein files revelations Andrew Mountbatten Windsor has been arrested over his ties sick that he has that name I know over his ties to convicted rapist and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein, the former prince was arrested Thursday, which also Happened to be his birthday. On suspicion of misconduct in public office for allegedly forwarding confidential trade documents to Epstein. If convicted, he could face a maximum sentence of life in prison.
- [26:27]
Jackie
It's crazy, like, what he actually got arrested for. I'm not complaining, obviously. I think it's great. But what he got arrested for is, like, not like the crimes on the island. It was like, because he happened to have, like, a special title, which was like a business envoy. And forwarding the email is like mail fraud or whatever. So they got him on like, a technicality. I'm not a upset.
- [26:41]
Claudia
It's like Al Capone. They got him on taxes.
- [26:44]
Jackie
Right. It's like Teresa Giudice, you know? No, I'm kidding. So it's like, really crazy that from the Epstein files, like, there still have, like, no arrests been. Been made for, like, the actual crimes
- [26:56]
Claudia
right up until now.
- [26:57]
Jackie
No.
- [26:58]
Claudia
Well, actually, no. He's not arrested for human traffic, for
- [27:00]
Jackie
participating in, like, prostitution, child endangerment. Like, no child across state lines. Like, none of it. Having said that, like, a win is a win. I'll take it. Would love to see him locked up. So glad Lilibet is not alive to see this.
- [27:13]
Claudia
Yes.
- [27:13]
Jackie
Because, you know, like, low key. Her fatal flaw was that he was her favorite. But, like, so her greatest crime is loving her child. Like, I can't fault her.
- [27:19]
Claudia
Yeah, no, it's very conflicting. I'm glad she's not around to see this too.
- [27:22]
Jackie
Thousand percent. And you just know Harry and Megan are, like, having the time of their lives with this piece of information, for sure. And I just know they hated him.
- [27:29]
Claudia
I think probably, like, everyone hates him.
- [27:32]
Jackie
I don't know. He was like, loved until he.
- [27:34]
Claudia
I guess he. The way they portrayed him in the Crown, which is. Was per for me, like, you know, he was barely close to what reality was. Was that like, he was very, like, affable, like the. Like the. The funniest, most fun guy in the room.
- [27:47]
Jackie
Yeah.
- [27:47]
Claudia
Like, party hard.
- [27:48]
Jackie
I believe it.
- [27:49]
Claudia
Yeah. And I think party too hard.
- [27:52]
Jackie
I do feel bad for his daughters because they seem like nice girls, but I'm sorry. Justice must be served. And I love this. I would love to see him in a jumpsuit, like. Yeah.
- [28:00]
Claudia
And King Charles has.
- [28:02]
Jackie
I forgot that there's a king issued a statement.
- [28:04]
Claudia
And this is brother.
- [28:05]
Jackie
Oh, my God. Yeah, that's his brother.
- [28:07]
Claudia
Yeah. So his brother's being arrested. He's, you know, head of state. State. So this is what he said. He put out a statement. I think it strikes the right note. He said, I've learned with the deepest concern the news about Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and suspicion of misconduct in public office. What now follows is the full, fair and proper process by which this issue was investigated in the appropriate manner and by the appropriate authorities. In this, as I have said before, they have our full and wholehearted support and cooperation. Let me state clearly, the law must take its course, not the law.
- [28:35]
Jackie
Drew guy. Like, they do not give a. They're not dying on this hill.
- [28:39]
Claudia
Oh, hell.
- [28:39]
Jackie
Sometimes the royal family, like, goes to bat for their people, and I just don't feel like Charles and Camila are, like, going to bat for this predator.
- [28:46]
Claudia
Like, they gave up on, like, trying to help him many, many years ago.
- [28:50]
Jackie
Even Queen Elizabeth did. She had to, like, sort of boot him out.
- [28:53]
Claudia
Yeah. He, like, got moved from house to house.
- [28:55]
Jackie
Yeah. And he, like, walks at the very end. I don't even think he walks anymore.
- [28:57]
Claudia
Yeah. And he. He wound up still in a big house, but it was like he lost his home.
- [29:03]
Jackie
It was. I think it was a home that they had to, like, pay for privately, not like a publicly funded.
- [29:07]
Claudia
Yeah. He said, as this process continues, it would not be right for me to comment further on this matter. Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our dirty duty and service to you all. So he said, I'm still the king. Don't bother me with this mess.
- [29:19]
Jackie
Oh, yeah. Like, I waited so long for this title. I'm not getting bogged down. Brother, brother, you're out.
- [29:24]
Claudia
Bravo.
- [29:24]
Jackie
Yeah. Lock him up.
- [29:26]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [29:27]
Jackie
I am curious if he'll go to jail. And it's crazy that, like, you know, forwarding an email will get you life in prison again. I'm not complaining. Just, like, happy birthday, you know?
- [29:36]
Claudia
Yeah. Maybe more will come out, like, with a trial, maybe. But yes. Six unmarked police cars surrounded his residence in Sandringham.
- [29:45]
Jackie
I wonder if you knew, are there pictures of him, like, walking out in cuffs?
- [29:48]
Claudia
There are pictures of, like, the car. Nothing. Like, it's hard to see, but we actually. There's, like, pictures of the cars. Yeah.
- [29:58]
Jackie
I wonder if the media stands outside of his home, if. Of his home all the time or if they knew he was getting arrested.
- [30:04]
Claudia
Yeah. I feel like based on TV shows, like, they. They know that something big is happening, you know, and also if they got a tip, something big's happening in the Royal family, like, yesterday, the day before, they would know. It's Epstein related. And like, Andrew, because that's what everybody.
- [30:16]
Jackie
There's not a lot going on in the family now.
- [30:18]
Claudia
Right. Everyone else is laying low. They Have a lot going on.
- [30:21]
Jackie
I mean, he's really gotten away with so much. Like, we've known he got, like, booted out, like, years ago, so he's sort of been probably, like, living in fear of something like this happening for, like, five years now.
- [30:32]
Claudia
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's. Maybe it's a relief for him.
- [30:35]
Jackie
Yeah. Path to healing.
- [30:38]
Claudia
Even though I agree it's, like, not even for what you, like.
- [30:41]
Jackie
I literally don't care that he sent
- [30:42]
Claudia
an email, but is there, like, hard evidence?
- [30:44]
Jackie
Yeah, it's, like, in the files, Right.
- [30:46]
Claudia
Sex crimes in the email. You know, when everything is hot dog pizza.
- [30:50]
Jackie
Right. No, you can explain.
- [30:53]
Claudia
You could say I. Really?
- [30:54]
Jackie
Circumstantial.
- [30:55]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [30:55]
Jackie
It doesn't hold. No. Yeah. So even the ones that, like, didn't use the code names, it's all circumstantial.
- [31:01]
Claudia
Yeah. It would be hard to, like, really nail someone for that, plus, like, photos and videos, but, yeah, that might be tough to do.
- [31:10]
Jackie
Yeah.
- [31:10]
Claudia
So ever. That's why the Internet's just taking it upon themselves.
- [31:13]
Jackie
I'm looking forward to the wheels of justice doing their thing.
- [31:15]
Claudia
Yeah. Really crazy news. I didn't. I don't know why I thought he was, like, done done. I thought, like, publicly just, like, disgraced. Yeah. I didn't know there were. There were further consequences waiting for him.
- [31:27]
Jackie
Yeah.
- [31:28]
Claudia
Love that.
- [31:29]
Jackie
We love to see it.
- [31:30]
Claudia
Are you ready for our next story, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Season four trailer dropped. You didn't see?
- [31:36]
Jackie
No. Oh, yeah.
- [31:37]
Claudia
Season four trailer dropped.
- [31:38]
Jackie
They're talking about Ye Saints and come ye Sinners.
- [31:46]
Claudia
They're talking about the Bachelorette, Dancing with the Stars, and Harry Jowsey makes an appearance.
- [31:52]
Jackie
Of course he does.
- [31:53]
Claudia
So it's gonna be the best season ever.
- [31:55]
Jackie
He makes an appearance. Like, in what capacity?
- [31:57]
Claudia
So he kind of. The way that they framed it in the trailer, which all trailers are lies, is like, he's Taylor's date for an event.
- [32:03]
Jackie
Oh, that's cute.
- [32:04]
Claudia
Ship.
- [32:05]
Jackie
No. So toxic beyond. Toxic beyond.
- [32:09]
Claudia
But maybe if, like, the two most toxic, chaotic people in the world got together, maybe they would neutralize each other.
- [32:15]
Jackie
Like, that's never happened. And when it does, like, they temporarily neutralize one another. Like, it's not a permanent solution.
- [32:21]
Claudia
Maybe they could, like, out toxic each other to the point of exhaustion.
- [32:24]
Jackie
Maybe they just get so tired they fall asleep together.
- [32:27]
Claudia
But anyways, always happy to see Harry J. Around.
- [32:29]
Jackie
I know. If Harry. Jazzy has zero fans, like, check on me because Jackie's passed away.
- [32:34]
Claudia
Yeah. And she'll miss her sister desperately. So. Yeah. We're getting Dancing with the Stars.
- [32:41]
Jackie
They turn these around quick.
- [32:42]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [32:42]
Jackie
It does now feel, like, a little
- [32:44]
Claudia
bit behind, because now I'm like, what about Chicago?
- [32:46]
Jackie
And I'm really curious, like, what Whitney's future is on this show, because she's kind of like a media darling in New York. Just so they did a huge piece on her in the Cut and how, like, New York is, like, so her, and she's leaving Utah behind, like, a lot of sort of messaging. I think it would be a huge mistake.
- [33:01]
Claudia
I think so, too. I feel like she's getting, like, all these accolades and stuff from, like, corners of the world where she never would have if she just stayed on Mormon Wives, but I. I don't know. And she continues to do more than I think is possible, and I fully support her. So it's not like I'm doubting her, but it's like, I would say what comes after Chicago on Broadway, really? Like, you kind of have to go home, right? I don't know, but I could see her proving me wrong. And then she's, like, booking another, you know, playing Amber Von Tussel.
- [33:31]
Jackie
She's so Amber.
- [33:32]
Claudia
She's playing Fanny Bryce.
- [33:36]
Jackie
She ain't. She ain't playing Fanny Rice, but do
- [33:38]
Claudia
you know what I mean? Like, I don't even want to put limitations on her because I think she just continues to, like, break out of every box. But if it were me, I would be like, okay, it's great to, like, be able to do all that, but, like, go back to the home base, do secret lives, and then, like, dabble in this other world.
- [33:54]
Jackie
But maybe secret lives, like, up until this point, has been the engine that has fueled her getting on Dancing with the Stars, booking that role. So I know I worry about, like, where is she without the engine? But she's kind of defied the odds. Sorry. Ified the odds of boring. Yeah.
- [34:08]
Claudia
Thus far, yes. But Chicago and Dancing with the Stars are both, like, guest things. You know what I mean? Like, it will be very interesting to see what she does next and how she parlays both of those things into, like, you know, the next phase of her career. Because being Roxy in Chicago is, like, just a stepping stone, Right?
- [34:28]
Jackie
Like, Erika Jayne has done it. Ariana Matt has done it.
- [34:30]
Claudia
It's not a landing. No, it's a short thing. Even though she announced something yesterday, I was watching with my volume off. What did she say?
- [34:36]
Jackie
Let's see.
- [34:37]
Claudia
I. From my volume being off, I was getting the feeling that it was like she's extending her run.
- [34:43]
Jackie
Oh, that Would be good because, like, the tickets.
- [34:45]
Claudia
But I'm making. I'm completely making that up. No. Okay. I'm hearing that that's not true. Don't trust me. What? I watched on mute.
- [34:54]
Jackie
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [34:55]
Claudia
No subtitles, Nothing.
- [34:58]
Jackie
She is on the COVID of brides as of 23 minutes ago.
- [35:02]
Claudia
Right?
- [35:03]
Jackie
Her and Connor. But she's married already. I guess, like, you could be married. It's the love issue. Celebrating stories that feel timeless and of this moment. That's a good choice for pride.
- [35:13]
Claudia
I don't know about timeless, but definitely of this moment.
- [35:15]
Jackie
And then she did a cerave ad and then she had the thing in the cut,
- [35:23]
Claudia
maybe.
- [35:23]
Jackie
Oh, here. Her in Chicago. Secrets out. Hold on.
- [35:27]
Claudia
Let me see it.
- [35:28]
Jackie
Let me.
- [35:29]
Claudia
Oh, yeah, this. What did she say?
- [35:31]
Jackie
It turns out New York wants us a little bit more than just a Costco sample. I'm not going anywhere, baby.
- [35:37]
Claudia
Right?
- [35:38]
Jackie
Officially extending as Roxy Hart in Chicago. I think it's been. I think they have a lot of people come to play the role of Roxie Hart. Like I said, Erica Jane, our animatics. And I don't think there's really. I've never seen people, like, all over my social media being like, can I get a ticket? Oh, they're so expensive. I've seen clips of her, like, going really viral. So I do think this is. She's probably the most successful Roxy Heart. You think that they've plucked from, like, reality tv. Influencing. Who else has played Roxy?
- [36:05]
Claudia
Lisa Rana.
- [36:07]
Jackie
It's like a. It's like a thing that you do.
- [36:10]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [36:11]
Jackie
Women who have played Roxy.
- [36:13]
Claudia
Roxy.
- [36:14]
Jackie
I want to say, going on Broadway, like, literally looks like the worst job ever. Like, I would never want to do it.
- [36:19]
Claudia
I enjoy Shields.
- [36:20]
Jackie
Okay.
- [36:20]
Claudia
No, but, like, it's New York. It's in New York.
- [36:26]
Jackie
Yeah. You don't want to do Alyssa Milano. Rumor Willis.
- [36:31]
Claudia
It seems like a lot of potential. The stars winners, Mira Sorvino. Go play Roxy.
- [36:35]
Jackie
And Ashley Graham debuted as Roxy in 2025.
- [36:42]
Claudia
So, yeah, Roxy. I've never seen Chicago. Me neither.
- [36:49]
Jackie
The name on everybody's lips and all that jazz.
- [36:54]
Claudia
So you don't want to play Roxy if they came?
- [36:56]
Jackie
No, like, dude, do not come to me. Do not come.
- [36:57]
Claudia
Please don't ask her to make that decision.
- [36:59]
Jackie
No, no. I will say, like, Broadway is back breaking eight shows a week. Like, I'm good. And you make, like, $3. You don't even get your own dressing room. I am good. I do not want it. My dream job, as you know, is to be a judge on the Voice that you can come to me with.
- [37:13]
Claudia
Oh, that's big.
- [37:15]
Jackie
Yeah. Because they need a Simon Cowell over there.
- [37:17]
Claudia
Would you do it? You want to be loved?
- [37:19]
Jackie
No. And the. The whole thing about the Voice is that if you make it in front of the judges, it's because you're decent.
- [37:23]
Claudia
Like, right. There's no, like, William trash. Yeah, but say you were on a show where, like, you needed to be the Simon. Would you really do it even if it made you, like, the villain?
- [37:31]
Jackie
Yes. Because I think, like, Simon was mean. I don't think it's mean to say, like, you need work your pitch. Like, you were off key.
- [37:40]
Claudia
But I love your dress. But Simon was interesting because, like, he did say it in a. In a very honest way. Not.
- [37:45]
Jackie
Yeah, you can be honest, but he was also mean.
- [37:47]
Claudia
Was he?
- [37:47]
Jackie
You don't have the look. Like, okay, did you just call me fat? Like, it's the singing show.
- [37:50]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [37:51]
Jackie
Like, he's crazy like that because he was looking at it, like, from a full, you know, artist.
- [37:55]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [37:55]
Jackie
No, I would just be, like, vocally, I don't think this is for you, and I would hate for you continue wasting your time, like, on this dream that I don't think is.
- [38:01]
Claudia
I'm sorry, but that's Paula.
- [38:03]
Jackie
Oh, my God. Paula was so.
- [38:05]
Claudia
Not that it's giving Paula, like, ev. Like, just the sweet, honest. But, like.
- [38:10]
Jackie
No, but she was, like, she would always say, like, come back next year. I would say, like, don't come back. Like, go become a cpa. Like, this is not for you.
- [38:17]
Claudia
Okay. So a blend of, like, Paula and Simon.
- [38:20]
Jackie
Yeah, Blend.
- [38:21]
Claudia
Okay. Are you ready for our next story? Our third story?
- [38:24]
Jackie
Yeah. What was the first? Oh, so, yeah. Secret Lives. Sorry. There's a lot going on. The show is so good. It's one of my favorite shows. I can't wait to watch.
- [38:30]
Claudia
It comes back.
- [38:32]
Jackie
It's crazy that we've gotten, like, three seasons of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives since the season premiere of Love Thy Nadir. Like, where's Love thy Nadir?
- [38:39]
Claudia
Season 2, March 12. It comes back, right?
- [38:42]
Jackie
That's so soon.
- [38:43]
Claudia
Well, we started watching Love. I guess it was, like, October that we were watching it. September. October.
- [38:48]
Jackie
To bring it back.
- [38:49]
Claudia
Summer.
- [38:50]
Jackie
Joggers.
- [38:50]
Claudia
Joggers.
- [38:51]
Jackie
Just bring it back.
- [38:51]
Claudia
Yeah. It feels like any day now.
- [38:52]
Jackie
Like, just bring it back.
- [38:53]
Claudia
And they also teased the second half of the show.
- [38:55]
Jackie
It was already filmed.
- [38:56]
Claudia
It was. It was already done when they premiered
- [38:58]
Jackie
the first half, like, did the show not do well? Is it getting canceled? I thought it was a huge it was. You know, it went number platinum in my house.
- [39:04]
Claudia
Even if it's getting canceled, you already have filmed it. Like, just put it up because something like. No, we just put it up. Like, you already paid for it.
- [39:11]
Jackie
Yeah. Agreed.
- [39:12]
Claudia
Our next story, clearing up some drama between Leighton Meester and Ariana Grande. Leighton Meester is defending her awkward exchange with Ari at the Critics Choice Awards and explaining what she thought, what was going on. So we discussed this red carpet exchange between the two of them. People said, like, Leighton was being condescending because Ari was like, oh, my God, I love you. Wow, wow, wow. And then Leighton turns her public is like, wow, wow, wow. And it felt like she was, like, mocking her. But I believe that our take was like, I'm gonna trust that Leighton, like, wasn't being a. And that there was, like, something lost in translation here. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the take. Turns out.
- [39:42]
Jackie
Yes. No, we didn't think.
- [39:43]
Claudia
No. And we gave Grace because I was like, I don't know. I'm not gonna just assume that she's ill intended.
- [39:48]
Jackie
Correct.
- [39:49]
Claudia
We were right. How right we were?
- [39:51]
Jackie
Happens.
- [39:52]
Claudia
So kind of used to it at this point, you know, like, Lane went on pod crushed, which is also.
- [39:56]
Jackie
I feel like it's the big story,
- [39:57]
Claudia
Dan Humphrey's podcast, which is crazy that Blair would, like, throw him a bone like that. I don't know.
- [40:03]
Jackie
I feel like at the end, she was, like, so, like. Like, she loved Dan.
- [40:06]
Claudia
She did love Dan.
- [40:07]
Jackie
Kind of a fatal flaw in the end of the show.
- [40:09]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [40:09]
Jackie
They would never.
- [40:10]
Claudia
No, she would never. That they dated.
- [40:12]
Jackie
Yeah. And, like, it was like a real. And it was kind of like, right person, wrong time. You know, it was like this big, great love. It wasn't just like a hookup up.
- [40:19]
Claudia
So she was asked about the situation, and she cleared up what she thought was happening. So she said, where's this, like, jump in the article? She said she was with her publicist when Ari said something to her. She didn't. She heard her. And then she turned to her publicist, Kate, and we both heard that. Hi. I love you. Wow, wow, wow. Not wow, wow, wow, wow. Like crying. She said, I couldn't hear her. She was, like, walking away. And I was like, oh, she's kind of a comedy queen. She's just being funny. Like, I love you. Wow, wow. Like, I thought that would be something she would do. And so I was like, oh, my God, that's cute and funny.
- [40:53]
Jackie
So I just want to say, like, I'm more confused than ever. I don't feel like this clears up anything. Like, I still don't believe it was a mal intended thing, but I don't really understand what she's saying here, so.
- [41:06]
Claudia
I actually do. Like, first of all, this happened in a split second.
- [41:09]
Jackie
Yeah. No. And like, we're studying it. Like, I say weird things all the time and I move on with my life.
- [41:14]
Claudia
Says something to me, and I'm like, doing an exchange of cordiality. If you said, well, not you, because I would just, like, we, like, punch
- [41:22]
Jackie
me in the face.
- [41:22]
Claudia
No, no, we just, like, we know we can understand it.
- [41:24]
Jackie
Yeah.
- [41:25]
Claudia
We have, like, a subliminal we finish each other sandwich. If someone else said something to me and I was in passing, I might repeat exactly what they said. Like, you know what I mean? So when she thought it was like, it's like, yeah, yeah. It's just like, how you communicate. So she thought. She didn't even think because there's not a moment to think here. She heard, wow, wow, wow. She go, wow.
- [41:46]
Jackie
I know. And sometimes, like, I really want to be famous. And then, like, I see the level of discourse about, like, the most nothing moment. Like, if that was me, I. I don't even know what I say half the time. What I do have the time, who I'm talking to. Like, I'm just trying to, like, get home, you know, I'm always just trying to, like, get home.
- [42:01]
Claudia
Especially when you're, like, in a sea of people, like, saying hi and bye.
- [42:04]
Jackie
It's probably very stressful.
- [42:06]
Claudia
Like, you're just, like, repeating what the person said to you and that this person's so famous.
- [42:10]
Jackie
Like, I have to. To, like, now you're studying everything I'm saying. And, like, probably like a. Like a very pivotal moment for me.
- [42:16]
Claudia
It's like, you look amazing. Young amazing. Like, it's just an echo chamber.
- [42:19]
Jackie
The next time I, like, complain about not being famous enough, will you just, like, slap me in the face? Like, remind me of this?
- [42:23]
Claudia
I. Yeah, I. But I do feel like you wouldn't complain about that anymore. Like, I feel like you've moved.
- [42:28]
Jackie
I'm actually really good with where I'm at. Yeah.
- [42:29]
Claudia
Yeah. The messenger, like, really healed.
- [42:31]
Jackie
Cured me of ever wanting to be on tv.
- [42:33]
Claudia
It healed your inner Claudia.
- [42:34]
Jackie
Yeah.
- [42:35]
Claudia
Little Claude. Little.
- [42:36]
Jackie
Little turd.
- [42:39]
Claudia
So also say it turns out she
- [42:40]
Jackie
didn't say, but I still want to be a judge on the voice.
- [42:42]
Claudia
Leighton added that she saw her, like, the next week and attempted to explain the embarrassing mistake. And she's like, you thought I said, wow, wow, wow. That's so funny.
- [42:50]
Jackie
Well, what did she say?
- [42:51]
Claudia
And wow, wow, wow. Because it's Blair. So she was. And then blatant was like, no, it's an old person. Not being able to hear, like, that is so embarrassing. So I think she's handled this very well. Yeah, I didn't. She took the.
- [43:02]
Jackie
Like.
- [43:03]
Claudia
She, like, made it about her being old. So, like, what are. What can you say?
- [43:06]
Jackie
Did they talk like that? Gossip Girl?
- [43:07]
Claudia
Like, not in a meaningful way.
- [43:09]
Jackie
But I didn't see it anymore.
- [43:10]
Claudia
This is the headline, right?
- [43:12]
Jackie
So.
- [43:12]
Claudia
Well, you know, Leighton, I know I have to pry it from our cold, dead hands.
- [43:17]
Jackie
I know. Like, I kind of prefer to just, like, vibe with Blair, you know, like, not Leighton.
- [43:22]
Claudia
I prefer to have separate relationships with each of them. So I have my relationship with Blair, and we're very close.
- [43:28]
Jackie
Yeah.
- [43:29]
Claudia
And then I have my relationship with Leighton, and, you know, wow, wow, wow.
- [43:32]
Jackie
And then you have your cousin, and
- [43:33]
Claudia
then you have your first cousins. Yeah. And I think that's how Leighton likes it, and that's how Leighton sees it.
- [43:39]
Jackie
I love that.
- [43:39]
Claudia
Are you ready for our fourth story?
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Jackie
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Claudia
Oh, I love that because it's booking.com.
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Jackie
oh, right. Thank you for reminding me. They also have an app, booking.com. so it's booking.combooking.
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Claudia
yeah.
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Jackie
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Claudia
T U R T. You're welcome. Our next story. Amanda Seyfried says that she didn't know she was a producer on the Housemaid until three weeks into filming and says that it's a vanity credit because she didn't do shit to make the movie. She only acted. So. Amanda Seyfried was on the Graham Norton show when was being asked about the movie being a boost to her career not only as an actor, but also as an executive executive producer, she later admitted that the title is a pure vanity credit. She said, I'm a producer on it, and I didn't know until three weeks in. I saw the call sheet and I was like, executive producer. I didn't sign up for that. I called one of the producers and was like, you guys have me on. Is it an executive producer? And he was like, that's what your agent negotiated. And I was like, well, this really better be a hit. Then. It was one of those vanity credits because I didn't do to make that movie. I only acted in it. That's the thing about vanity credits. I don't want people to get it twisted. What Margot Robbie does is really intensely develop movies from jump. I just jumped in, had a bunch of fun, and left. And now I'm like, they're sending me on a vacation.
- [50:26]
Jackie
Every time I hear Amanda Seyfried speak, like, I just like. And what do you mean? I just kind of Roll my eyes. You know, I feel like, first of all, this is, like, a really poor reflection on her. Like, how little do you know about your business that you don't even know you're an executive producer, but a huge movie. And, yes, I feel like her saying this, like, makes other. I'm like, if you're not as media literate, like, you would think, oh, like, Sydney Sweeney is also, you know, just, like, doing. When there are actually a lot of women who take on, like, very creative roles outside of acting on the movies that they star in. And it's not a vanity credit. Like, Sydney Sweeney is one of those girls who I feel like she has a lot to do with the projects she signs on to beyond just acting. She, like, funds a lot of the movies. She's like, as a production company, she's like, I think, taking Margot Robbie as a. Like, a role model of hers, and then, yes, Margot Robbie. So I'm glad that she made that distinction.
- [51:17]
Claudia
But it's like, okay, yeah, it does sort of minimize, like, people who are in movies but that have executive producer credits.
- [51:25]
Jackie
Not a lot of people know about, like, the whole vanity credit thing, where it's like, almost all the time when I'm watching something and there's, like, a big star in it when the credits roll, it's like, executive producer Kate. And it's like, well, I know you didn't produce, so. But not a lot of people know that that's, like, a fake title. So, yeah, kudos to her for being transparent here.
- [51:40]
Claudia
Yeah. I think people would appreciate the transparency and the point of a vanity credit. And, like, having your name as a producer is you make more money. Right.
- [51:46]
Jackie
The movie succeeds, then, like, you get, like, a.
- [51:48]
Claudia
And that's a good thing for her agent to negotiate.
- [51:50]
Jackie
Sounds like she's a stellar team.
- [51:52]
Claudia
Yeah. It is crazy that, like, she wouldn't know that and that she would also share that. And I guess that's what makes her authentic and relatable for those who love her. For the mini.
- [52:01]
Jackie
What's her name?
- [52:02]
Claudia
For the minjis. For the Minji stands. Yeah.
- [52:06]
Jackie
Okay, cool.
- [52:08]
Claudia
I've heard Housemate was really good, though.
- [52:10]
Jackie
There's so many things I need to see. I need to see housemaids. I need to see Withering Heights. I heard it was amazing.
- [52:14]
Claudia
Withering.
- [52:15]
Jackie
Yeah.
- [52:15]
Claudia
Marty supreme is on demand now.
- [52:17]
Jackie
Is it? Okay, I'll watch it. I'm actually gonna start a one.
- [52:20]
Claudia
You're gonna start a content plate?
- [52:21]
Jackie
Because I've been meaning.
- [52:22]
Claudia
And I just see how Maid is on demand. Let's have a movie night.
- [52:25]
Jackie
Okay.
- [52:25]
Claudia
Oh, my. I have a really good idea for a movie night.
- [52:28]
Jackie
Housemaid Marty Supreme Wuthering Heights. Okay. What's your idea?
- [52:36]
Claudia
Oh, like, for, like, us. Have a swirly movie night. I'll tell you about it later.
- [52:40]
Jackie
Okay.
- [52:41]
Claudia
I'm, like, scary amazing.
- [52:43]
Jackie
Great.
- [52:43]
Claudia
Like, pajama party. Great. I love that. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Some more actors being weird news.
- [52:49]
Jackie
Oh, my God, what now?
- [52:50]
Claudia
No, it's weird club.
- [52:51]
Jackie
Okay.
- [52:52]
Claudia
Sophie Turner and I haven't heard that name in forever. And Kit Harrington are starring in a movie together where they play lovers. And they said they gagged after kissing each other on screen while making their
- [53:01]
Jackie
new horror movie because they once played siblings.
- [53:03]
Claudia
Because they once played siblings. And I guess they became to feel like siblings while playing siblings on Game of Thrones. So the two actors who grew close playing siblings, Sansa and John Stark on Game of Thrones evidently struggled while sharing an on screen smooch in their new movie, the Dreadful.
- [53:16]
Jackie
In a. Oh, I love the title, the Dreadful.
- [53:20]
Claudia
In a video shared by Entertainment Tonight, they can be seen kissing in character. Poor, playfully retching after the director calls cut. The crew then can be heard laughing as the two actors are pretending to be sick. So in vogue last year, Sophie had jokingly said that she's, like, apologized to Game of Thrones fans by saying, it's really weird for all of us that her and Kid are playing lovers in a new horror film. She also said she recalled, like, looking at the script for the movie before shooting. She saw nothing but kiss, kiss, sex, kiss, sex. I'm like, oh, shoot, that's my brother.
- [53:53]
Jackie
Well, I do appreciate any time actors talk about, like, the weirdness of heaven and, like, not being like, it's normal. What are you guys talking about? Like, no, it's not. So I do appreciate that here. I do also think, like, that's kind of the curse of being in such a popular show. I can't. We talk about this all the time. It's almost like a career ending show. Aside from Sophie Turner, who after that, like, did go on to do other things, a lot of them, like, were sort of crippled by the bigness of that show. And you're just like, like, stuck as Sansa, stuck as Jon, and like, yeah, this is yucky. And I think it's a big mistake on the casting director's part.
- [54:26]
Claudia
But what's also weird is she put him up for this role. She said she, like, thought he would be really good for it.
- [54:32]
Jackie
Whatever happened to the Guy who played
- [54:34]
Claudia
Robb Stark, he's in, like, the Bodyguard.
- [54:38]
Jackie
Yeah. One show, like, a million years ago.
- [54:40]
Claudia
He's always nominated for shit. No, like, he was. When his show comes out. You know, shows come out.
- [54:44]
Jackie
The show hasn't been on many years.
- [54:46]
Claudia
He did okay for himself.
- [54:47]
Jackie
He did fine.
- [54:48]
Claudia
And he was in Cinderella.
- [54:50]
Jackie
He had a couple of good years, but I don't know. Emilia Clark. Where in the world is Daenerys Targaryen?
- [54:58]
Claudia
Well, she did a couple, like, romcoms, but she also has had some health issues.
- [55:02]
Jackie
Has she?
- [55:02]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [55:03]
Jackie
Jason Momoa, like, was barely on the show, which is why I think he evaded the curse.
- [55:07]
Claudia
Oh.
- [55:08]
Jackie
Nikolaj was in the Other Woman.
- [55:10]
Claudia
He went on to do amazing things. Peter Dinklage. Always was famous before. Always was famous before. Yeah. But I think also the sort of things that these actors might be in
- [55:22]
Jackie
now, like, you know, we don't watch Mountbatten.
- [55:26]
Claudia
Oh. Oh. Also, yeah. That. The person who played Prince Philip.
- [55:31]
Jackie
No, the person who played.
- [55:37]
Claudia
What's the.
- [55:37]
Jackie
Is the same.
- [55:40]
Claudia
Oh, Charles. Charles. The person who played. Who played Tywin Lannister.
- [55:44]
Jackie
Cersei's dad.
- [55:45]
Claudia
Yeah. Tywin Lannister played. Yeah. Uncle Mountbatten. Thank you. But also the person who played Prince
- [55:52]
Jackie
Philip, Young Philip, is Damon.
- [55:55]
Claudia
The person who played Old Philip.
- [55:58]
Jackie
Yeah.
- [55:58]
Claudia
Is the guy of the Seven Scepters. You know, that, like, crazy priest.
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Jackie
But of course, the seven steps. Shame, right?
- [56:07]
Claudia
Yeah, yeah, of course.
- [56:09]
Jackie
Who could forget?
- [56:09]
Claudia
Yeah. So I think if you watch more,
- [56:11]
Jackie
like, British timepiece, like. Yeah.
- [56:14]
Claudia
You will see your people.
- [56:15]
Jackie
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. They don't, like, make swirly romances.
- [56:18]
Claudia
No, they don't make swirly romances. So, anyways, yeah. This is, like, weird for the viewers, weird for the actors, even though it's like, you guys played brother and sister, but they could have dated on. Just because they were playing siblings, like, doesn't mean they couldn't have fallen in love. Love.
- [56:31]
Jackie
And did Kate Harrington marry that wildling?
- [56:34]
Claudia
Yes.
- [56:35]
Jackie
In real life.
- [56:35]
Claudia
Gross.
- [56:36]
Jackie
Ross. Leslie, she was in Downtown Abbey. She got out.
- [56:41]
Claudia
Yeah, she did. Yeah.
- [56:43]
Jackie
Like, the British world, like, they all overlap over there.
- [56:45]
Claudia
Yeah. And you know who's a part of that world?
- [56:49]
Jackie
Who?
- [56:50]
Claudia
Joe Alwyn.
- [56:52]
Jackie
Barely. Please. He's a flop.
- [56:53]
Claudia
That's why you don't see him around. If y'.
- [56:55]
Jackie
All. I'm dead.
- [56:57]
Claudia
Tucked into those movies.
- [56:58]
Jackie
I've never seen him in anything.
- [56:59]
Claudia
And.
- [56:59]
Jackie
Except the first couple of episodes of Normal People, which I did not enjoy, and he was having sex, and I
- [57:04]
Claudia
said, get not normal people.
- [57:06]
Jackie
Conversations with Friends, which was the way worse version of normal people.
- [57:11]
Claudia
Yeah.
- [57:12]
Jackie
Joe Owen is not in that crew.
- [57:14]
Claudia
What's unfortunate is that this movie, like, doesn't sound good. Yeah. Because, well, I don't like horror movies. I've never seen one. But like if this was like. And never seen. I've never seen a horror movie or like a scary movie, have I?
- [57:25]
Jackie
I think I saw the Grinch.
- [57:27]
Claudia
You saw the Grudge, you and Margo one time.
- [57:29]
Jackie
And like we were terrified for life.
- [57:32]
Claudia
I've never seen one.
- [57:33]
Jackie
And also I never saw the Ring, but I used to do the ring thing.
- [57:36]
Claudia
Oh, you love that. And you also.
- [57:38]
Jackie
Who am I?
- [57:40]
Claudia
The ring you also love. Here's Johnny.
- [57:43]
Jackie
You've never seen the Shining?
- [57:45]
Claudia
Nope. It's spooky as like I've never seen it.
- [57:48]
Jackie
That's crazy.
- [57:49]
Claudia
And Red Rum, you've seen.
- [57:51]
Jackie
That's the Shining.
- [57:51]
Claudia
Okay.
- [57:52]
Jackie
Yeah, no, I've seen the the Shining. You like need to watch it.
- [57:56]
Claudia
I don't think so. I've made it all this way in my life.
- [57:58]
Jackie
I've recently been saying actually a lot because he goes cross eyed. Here's Johnny.
- [58:05]
Claudia
Like, do you go cross eyed? I didn't get to see. You did. Light. Light. Okay, you can stop now.
- [58:12]
Jackie
Yeah. No. What? I have to just always.
- [58:13]
Claudia
Just go back. Stop.
- [58:17]
Jackie
Just go back.
- [58:20]
Claudia
Yeah. So I won't be seeing this, but like if it was a swirly flick, I would love to watch it.
- [58:25]
Jackie
Yeah. My two faves back at it again.
- [58:26]
Claudia
Like make more swirly flicks. Yeah.
- [58:29]
Jackie
And I guess like when you come from the world of Game of Thrones, like you watched Cersei and Jaime have sex. You watch Daenerys and Jon have sex. Like incest is very much like not a big deal.
- [58:37]
Claudia
It's sort of the name of the game.
- [58:39]
Jackie
I'm surprised Sansa and Jon never got it on. And they.
- [58:42]
Claudia
They were half. Actually not even half. They were cousins.
- [58:46]
Jackie
Right.
- [58:46]
Claudia
Because he was the sister.
- [58:47]
Jackie
He was raised as a sibling, but
- [58:49]
Claudia
he was the sisters.
- [58:50]
Jackie
Baby, baby.
- [58:51]
Claudia
They're cousins. That's nothing.
- [58:53]
Jackie
Literally the least big deal ever.
- [58:54]
Claudia
You have your cousins and they were first cousins. That's nothing.
- [58:58]
Jackie
Nothing.
- [58:59]
Claudia
Especially not in Westeros. That's a match made in her in medieval times. That's literally an ideal marriage. Yeah. Did they. Who ended up with him?
- [59:08]
Jackie
In a romantic sense?
- [59:09]
Claudia
Yeah. John. He went killed. No, he went north of the Wall and he killed. Oh, no. But who did he end up with?
- [59:16]
Jackie
Romantically? Nobody.
- [59:17]
Claudia
And Sansa, she's Queen of the North.
- [59:19]
Jackie
Single. Very much like matriarch energy.
- [59:22]
Claudia
Okay.
- [59:22]
Jackie
I love that she's a single woman.
- [59:24]
Claudia
Respect. However, like, who's gonna carry on?
- [59:27]
Jackie
She'll figure it out.
- [59:30]
Claudia
Okay.
- [59:31]
Jackie
Maybe she'll get a surrogate or something. I don't know.
- [59:34]
Claudia
Okay. Just. I feel like they need to think that through. Like all these years, like a lot of time. They always, they emphasize so much. There's always been a stock in the north and now we're gonna end the line now. Did she have a baby at any point in the show?
- [59:48]
Jackie
No, she was like very busy. She was like Ramsay Bolton's like prisoner.
- [59:52]
Claudia
Yeah, Joffrey, she was like stuck. Littlefinger.
- [59:54]
Jackie
Joffrey. She was stuck.
- [59:57]
Claudia
Yeah. No, she had a hard time for sure. I would have hoped she would have found love. That feels like a plot hole.
- [60:01]
Jackie
No, it feels like we're just supposed to believe. Like she ends up with a happy ending. It doesn't matter who. Like, she'll figure it out.
- [60:06]
Claudia
Okay.
- [60:06]
Jackie
Now that there's peace in the realm.
- [60:08]
Claudia
Now that there. And she can focus on things like romance herself, like a dalliance. But she's been so burned by what she thought was love. Oh, Sansa, spoiler alert.
- [60:19]
Jackie
Yeah, about that.
- [60:22]
Claudia
Oh, well, that's that. Yeah, on that.
- [60:25]
Jackie
Guys, it's just been beautiful to spend this time with you.
- [60:29]
Claudia
It's been a pleasure. A true pleasure.
- [60:31]
Jackie
Why don't you wrap us up today?
- [60:33]
Claudia
In my own fashion, if you must. Thank you so much for listening to the toast. We love you so much. Make sure to like subscribe. Follow wherever you can find us. It's pretty self explanatory. The toast. Claudia, Jackie Asher, girl with no job. Etc. And we will see you tomorrow because we love you. Bye.
- [60:50]
Jackie
We'll see you tomorrow because it's not Friday, it's Thursday.
- [60:52]
Claudia
No, because tomorrow we're here. Love you. Bye.
- [61:02]
Jackie
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