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Good morning, girlies.
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It's the Toast.
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It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host. It's your favorite show.
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The best five things you need to know.
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We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast. I'm so excited. Everybody's so excited for my guest co host today. Nobody is better for the job than the woman herself. It's Bethany Frankel. Hello, Bethany.
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B
Welcome to the Toads. Hello. This is so real.
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I can't believe you've never been on the Toast before. You're so toasty.
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B
I am toasty.
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You're so pop culture. You have an opinion about everything. We're always talking about you on the toast. I feel like I'm not even going to say anything today. I'm just going to let you do your thing.
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B
Oh, my God. Do know you must say something. I'm just like, so. This is so real. You're so good at this.
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A
You're so good at this. You look gorgeous. I was saying before, I appreciate you dressing up. You match the set unintentionally, but it's always so nice when people dress up to come on the toast. Like, it's like a little bit of, like, a sign of respect, you know, maybe it's toasty. It's very toasty.
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Cute. Okay.
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Obsessed with you.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Like, you, I don't even know. You've had so many eras and I know you're, like, thriving in your TikTok influencer era right now. You're crushing it. And I feel like before your tik, you had, like, your businesswoman era, like, your guest shark era. Then, of course, your reality. Erin, I've been with you, I have to say, through all of them.
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B
Wow.
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A
I was watching Housewives in high school, like, and I was so vested in, like, the Jill Bethany. And so it's really been a pleasure to watch your growth as just a fan. And now having you on the podcast is a dream. We're always talking about you. You're always making news. Bethany, it's so strange.
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B
It's so funny because I think about it. Someone the other day was asking me about. Oh, I was speaking at Harvard Business School. They were asking me about Slay. They were asking me about the plan and what my plan was. And the truth is, I haven't really planned any of this at all. So it's always as much of a surprise to me. I thought that I would sort of fade into some version of obscurity when I left reality tv, which most do. They still have some things that they're doing. Right. So that didn't happen. And the first time, and then I came back to reality tv, left again. It didn't happen. But the second time I left, I thought I was gonna sort of semi retire. I was just gonna like do my podcast, do my relief work, be with my daughter, play around, and it exploded. So it's kind of just shocking to me as well.
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Yeah. I think some people might look at you and say, like, you know, if that was me, I might have like, you know, stopped doing so much. You still work so hard when you don't really have to. You've had a very successful TV career, you sold your business. And so why.
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B
Well, it's a good question, because I'm going through, as I told you when I walked in here today, a little bit of a personal crisis. Personal professional crisis. It's growing pains. And the answer why is this? Last couple of years, since 2021, when I just was playing around, not realizing this would go viral, didn't even know how to do social media. It was bad lighting, it was like I didn't even know how to use the camera. It exploded. And it's like the tables are hot. And so I always say, when the tables go cold, I'll walk out. I have no problem with it. All of this is gravy. But the tables went so crazy. The more I turn things down, the more I get, the more I don't want to do it, the more it comes. So it's been a very ironic thing because my book was a place of yes, but now it's becoming the power of no. The more we say no to things, the more money gets thrown at us, the more that's happening. And most of this is happening sort of behind the scenes. And most people don't realize how massive it is. So because of how massive it is, what I'm building, I have the choice being so close to the end zone, like the. So close to other extraordinarily big things happening that I can't not, I can't ignore it. I wanna see how far I could really take this. Never been so big, and I thought it had been the biggest it had been. So it's like, how am I not gonna just throw, dive in good, invest good money on, like major staff, no longer, like the staff that I've had, like four full on, you know, and. And really see what the end zone looks like, or if it goes cold, walk out. But it just doesn't seem to be. The opportunities are so much bigger. So I want to see where it goes.
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A
Can you tell me, like, and you can get as specific or not specific as you want financially, how you're like, influencer era compares to your reality era? Of course. Like, you know, big shot with B. Love that show. The. The reality era, the business era. How does being a content creator and doing brand deals. You're one of the faces l'. Oreal, like, how does that compare?
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B
The business now is much bigger than my biggest day being on the COVID of Forbes magazine selling Skinny Girl. Wow.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's shocking.
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I know.
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A
Because Skinny Girl was huge. How much did you sell Skinny Girl for?
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B
I won't. I won't say.
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Oh, it's on public.
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No, it's public. What they. What they say, what they think, which is not so far.
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But you've never shared.
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No.
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Why?
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I mean, I had an NDA and it's also like, I just. It will become the main. It was a lot of money. Yeah, it was a lot of money. It would have been a lot more if I. If it was a couple of years later because of the space that I created. Meaning I created that space that then other people like Ryan Reynolds and George Clooney and other people monetized. But I was the first.
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A
But you were also the first with the skinny.
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No, that's what I'm saying. I invented the skinny margarita and the low calorie cocktail space and the canned, like society. I invented this category. It was a very dead we wine cooler category. And I created the ready to drink category as we know it today.
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Yes, but you were also the first, like, sort of celebrity face of an alcohol brand too. Maybe not the first, but the biggest.
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Well, no, because it was like Dan Aykroyd and like. Yeah, yes.
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Right?
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The first. Like, it was huge. Yeah, it was huge.
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And it's so crazy because I don't think people think about, like, every time I get a cocktail, I order skinny margarita and like, that's you.
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Well, I have exes say that every time they go on a date with a girl, she orders a skinny margarita and the man will cringe. He'll be like, honestly, that's shocked for you. Could you imagine?
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Can't forget me, bitch.
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B
Never. I'm on every date. I love every person. Yep. Every man I've ever been with has to listen to this every time.
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A
So you make a TikTok about everything in your life, mostly food and beauty, but anytime you have a thought, you share it.
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Yes.
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A
And sometimes that results in people disagreeing with you in a Page Six headline. How much do you let that influence your strategy? Are you still just like, free ball it all the time?
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B
Oh, I don't have a strategy. I freeball it all the time. I don't have a strategy. I have a thought, I guess. But the truth is, while you and I will do some fun sounds today and things like that, that's not what people really want from me. That's not what really has created the success. It's always been people investing in me. They weren't really investing in the skinny margarita, although it was a good idea. It was the trust in me because. And so now it's really layered like that. Most people. There are many people that don't like me. I'm polarizing. But the studies say, like focus groups and things like that say that people trust me, they believe me, even if they don't like me.
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Yeah, no, I think when I was talking to Jackie about it, we were like, it's so crazy how like you have built this entire thing exclusively on trust because you don't need money, right? So you can turn down a brand deal. Most content creators can't. And so we know if you're doing an ad, you've used the product sufficiently and like, it really passes your test of approval, whatever that may be. How do you really. Is there like a. Is there an amount of money that really can penetrate like a brand if you don't like the product but you will still do it, or.
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B
No, no. Because it often happens that. I mean, the midnight cream that I broke the Internet with and now the lumiglotion was just something I was using. And then they called me. That was like a disc, almost discontinued product.
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A
Which one?
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The midnight cream was in the back. It was one jar in Santa Barbara and some. Some drugstore. I just was. Saw it and was intrigued. Tried it. They started freaking out because it went millions of views and they had not focused on. No. Yeah. They had to start making it.
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Right.
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So. And now the lumiglotion in a larger size is because of me. Because of me talking about the body.
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But the lumiglotion is everything for the body.
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People have been using it for the face, but I kind of made that popular. And so they then have to produce or make a bigger size because my people, the people want it that way. So it's not usually. It's not. Oh, it's not usually somebody coming to me. It's usually something I've liked or discovered. And then they're coming to me, so.
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It makes it easier.
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Yeah. There are some, obviously, times that someone will want me to do something and I don't connect to it. I don't understand it. I'm like, I can't say enough about this. And the people would know if it was inauthentic.
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Right. And then you lose all credibility.
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B
You don't lose all credibility. Because I watch so many social media influencers talking about 10 beauty products a day, and it makes me cringe because they're just not telling the truth. Because you can't say so many interesting things about so many products in a day. They're just not that great. It's not that it's not that interesting.
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Right.
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So. But people. So they. It works. I just am not that kind of person. I don't like the way it makes me feel. I'm a perfectionist. I like everything to, like, feel like it hits the spot, it's right and it lands. And it's just a. It's a personal thing.
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A
You also come from a successful place where this is, like you said, gravy. And you can be turning things down, which is a huge win for you.
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Well, we do, because time is more of a commodity than money. And now there's. There are too many brands that want to do things with me. So now we're really saying no, no, no, no, no. And they're finding more money. Ridiculous budgets. Yeah.
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A
That's so crazy.
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B
Yeah, it's good.
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A
It's great. I love it. It's been so fun to watch. Obviously, you have a lot of opinions on lots of things. And this is a pop culture show. So we're going to be talking today about everyone and everything. Is there like a show you're watching or someone right now that you're obsessed with? Like, what I feel like. What are your thoughts on Taylor Swift?
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B
So it's a great question and it's a good clickbait question for the toast. I would love to burn the toast today. Okay. So my thoughts on Taylor Swift. I don't know much about her and I often feel there have been other people. This is not a Throw Gwen Stefani under the bus. Cause she's pretty and seems interesting, but for whatever reason, like, I never connected to her. Like, I just never. I just wasn't. I wasn't not a fan. I just wasn't a fan. There are people that are on your radar and not. And Taylor Swift was never really on my radar. Of course, I had heard in the background. We're never getting back Together, and it was catchy, et cetera. But she was not someone that I really thought about. It didn't move me that much. And then a friend of mine, a business person, said they have a skybox in Philadelphia. One of the first concerts that she did. Do I want to go. And I asked my daughter, and she, too, wasn't really connecting to me.
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Oh, I find that shocking because you do have a teenage daughter.
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Me too. And she said, I don't know. And I took the tickets. And anyway, because I was like, maybe by the time the concert is, Bryn will be into it, and, like, all her friends are into it, and you kind of jump on, right? And I'll get somewhere with the jump on. So we went and then. And she brought a friend, and her friend was excited. We had a really great time. I wasn't paying. I wasn't invested in the whole concert. It was a skybox. The food was good. I was recording it for the people. But, like, I admired her work ethic and how long this concert went on. I couldn't believe her work ethic. And my daughter got into it, wore the outfits and did the things. But, like, I was. I had a respect for her work ethic, but I just didn't connect to it. And then everybody was obsessed with it more than they used to be, and everybody jumped on. And I saw all these celebrities, like, acting as if they had always been into it. And I thought it was such a turn on. Pick me for, like, adults. Adult men, like, wanting to be popular and the cool kids. It's like, what? So. And then if you said anything about that, it was like, you were canceled for that. And it was ridiculous. Like, I'm allowed to admire her as an artist but not be totally invested.
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I completely agree. And I've said this. I found it annoying. And I'm a Taylor Swift fan, like, since I'm in, like, middle school, have, like, from the beginning been. And now it kind of feels like a cultural cachet thing where, like, you have to sort of say, and all these people, you know, sort of fabricating their fanhood. It's really annoying.
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B
Thank you. Okay, so I'm not a jump on the bam wag girl. I'm allowed to have my own original opinion 1000%. And I was wrong about her and Travis. So was I. I thought it was, like, over the top in the beginning. And I. But I didn't know anything. I just thought it was, like, so much. And so I had an opinion on that, which was un. Which was unpopular, but I'LL always back out and say, I, I was wrong.
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No, I thought that they weren't dating. I was like, this is not real. This is a lie. Like, she would never.
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Oh, I don't know. I thought that it was just like a lot over the top. And I thought that he was very bro ish. And I thought that there could only be one peacock in a relationship and they both are massive peacocks. And I actually think he's more of a peacock than her in many ways. But they're together and good for them. Like, I want love. I root for love. But so what do I think about her? I don't think about her that much.
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A
Yeah.
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Yeah. That's interesting. And the headlines will pick up something like that and make it like, oh, Bethany doesn't hate. And it's like, I don't hate at all. I think she's lovely, but I don't know anything about it.
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It's a very rational take. I like that.
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Oh, okay. It's very real. Like it's psychotic. People are, I don't like jump on the bamboo.
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A
Agreed.
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Don't be so desperado.
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A
Agree. Now, speaking of dating, your dating, like scene always makes headlines.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I imagine you're a very interesting person to date. You are fun. You have like your own, you don't need a man. Right. You have a very like self sufficient life. Tell me what it's like for you to meet people. How do you, how do you go about meeting people? Are you on any apps?
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B
Okay. I now have a dating concept that is exploding. It was experimental, it was like in beta and like a social experiment and now it's exploding, exploding. And literally probably 25% of the people in it are asking to invest and they're. A lot of them are very, very wealthy. I've got, I've had meetings with a couple of tech billionaires. Like the dating industry is completely down and I've got this concept and it's flying. So put that to the side. I haven't, I've dated within it a little bit just because the impetus for the idea came from a date that I had. But I am technically on the apps. I'm just right, not right now, currently using them because I've been having a little bit of a business personal crash out. Also because I have been dating and I've met some interesting people. So I don't want to overload and I'm a little full, but that's good. But I, I have always had excellent game. Like, oh, really? I could see that and at each era where I go through a breakup, I always think I'm like aging myself out and it won't be the same as it was before. And it's like there are people at my state. This is, it's been wild. And a lot of these men that I'll go out with will literally be like blowing off 35 year old women. I'm not kidding. It's been three situations. Or someone was with me, then gets with like some hot Instagram model and then is still calling me and I'm like, what are you doing? I'm pointing. I could be her mother. But like, so I, so it. I think I am an interesting person to date. So I'm told.
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A
What do you think is the most effective way?
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B
I'm just gonna get my phone and show you some messages from someone.
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A
Oh, you absolutely have to.
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B
So I, I like just very. Someone. Very, very. A couple of very successful.
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A
Where's Bethany's phone?
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B
Hold on.
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A
I love this. And what do you think is the most effective way to meet people? Not the apps.
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B
Well, we'll do this after. I'll do this part after. But just like I'm so excited. I've loved every minute with you. I mean, I don't want people. People are in into my game.
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Like I'm sure.
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B
Yeah. So it's going well. So what was your question? What's the most effective? Yeah. Like to meet people.
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Yeah. For any age.
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B
Okay. So the most effective, you have to let people know that you're out there, but not in a desperate way because there's such a nuance of people. I do better on my own than with anyone else. Like setting you up. Women gatekeep, men can't be bothered and will say, oh, there are no good guys out there. And a woman who's like, I'm looking or I'm open. It can seem desperate. So it has to be like you have to position it in a way where it's confident. Where you're like, yep, I've been. For me it was. I've been celibate for nine months and I am now ready. Like it's my choice. You have to position it in a confident way as far as explaining to people that you want to meet someone. And then you do have to dabble. I believe in the apps. The matchmaker industry is the biggest scam of anything I've ever seen.
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A
I hate Patty Stanger hearing this and.
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B
Well, Patty Stanger, I gave her. I don't. I'm not speaking about her specifically. Years ago, she set me up on one date with one guy and it was a good date. So I mentioned that because this has been disruptive in the matchmaking industry that I've said this. I've gotten calls from many of them, some asking me for jobs, some say, you know, but all I'm going to say is that in my personal experience and about now, like 35 to 40 people within this dating concept, every single person who has used matchmakers, every single one, not no exceptions, has said it has been the biggest waste of money that they've ever spent. And it's snake oil and it's spaghetti against the wall. And it's just they have to get their numbers because they'll charge you 150, $250,000 and tell you you can get eight matches.
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A
Is that how much it costs?
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It could. It goes between like 30 and 250. It's a big. But there's no difference in the quality of what the 30,000 or the 50 give you. And they'll guarantee you a certain number. So they're just checking off boxes and now we have people cross referencing that the same guys, they're just sending out.
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A
Yeah.
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Or. And some girls get paid to go out with guys so they can check the box like it's a whole scam. I'm not saying that every single one is doing all of these things, but I have not had. I have yet to have one person say that this has been a worthwhile thing that they've done. Men and women.
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A
Now, I apologize if I'm bopping all over the place, but you do have so much going on and I've never sat down on a podcast with you, so I'm just going to quickly shift gears. Something I've really noticed, very interesting about you is your public life. Right. You had this huge divorce and, and it was all played out publicly and a lot. And you guys shared one child together who was totally, you know, not anonymous, but offline.
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B
Right.
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A
And that recently changed and I was curious what motivated that decision.
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B
I mean, it recently changed in the tween years because I was posting her a little and she was around and we were in the pandemic. Now I don't really do it much. If you notice there's been a shift because she's a teenager and she wants to have some version of a normal life and people are fans of mine. I see. I skew very young. Sorry.
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A
You have a very interesting demographic.
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B
I have a very young demo, shockingly, because people my age that I'm talking to are don't speak the language that you and I speak.
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A
But you cover all the bases because you do come from Bravo, which skews older, but now you're crushing TikTok, which skews much younger. I feel like you're kind of a marketer's dream.
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B
It's going well because I thought that so. So to the answer the question, she's in very little. She has her own social media that she's doing, but I don't really include her that much anymore because I want her to just post the pictures of herself that she wants to post and let her do what she wants to do. And she's not thirsty for this at all, which I love.
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A
Love.
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B
A lot of things come to her. A lot of things get offered to her, and she's very grounded and I'm grateful for that. But wait, we were just saying we're talking about the skewing, the young. Oh, I thought that I was the crazy aunt to these kids. Like, I was my friend's daughter's. She has four daughters and they were obsessed with you. And I'm like, why? Like, I thought they. It was because I'm crazy. And like, they were like, no, we just. They were like, you're the only one we believe.
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A
That's so nice. You know, I think that this generation could really use someone like you.
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B
Well, I appreciate that. I thought that. I think it's like a lot of them will be like, mother, I wish my mom were like you. You know, So I like that. Yeah, it's nice.
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A
But I think you're a positive influence.
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B
But it's bridging the gap of, like, I still. They think I'm somewhat cool, which is shocking because I don't think I'm cool.
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A
You're extremely cool. I mean, you're like. You have great style. The watch is everything. It's. Oh, you know what my favorite thing about you is? And I was just reading these comments on your tick tock and people were saying it too. I really appreciate you no matter who you, you know, your demographic, whatever. When you do a TikTok, you know the words. And I think that is such an underrated quality.
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B
Really?
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A
Because I'm so sick of seeing people, especially celebrities, like, people who aren't content creators by trade. I'm so sick of them doing tiktoks and not knowing the words like, don't do it right. You know the lyrics to every fucking song.
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B
I do. I'm a jukebox.
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A
Old songs, new songs.
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B
I'm A jukebox.
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A
I'm. I have that skill as well. And people. I do. I know every song to every lyric. It's.
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B
We should do rapper's Delight today then.
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A
I actually don't know a lot of rap music.
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B
Sorry. Okay.
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A
But like, my genre. Genres. I know. And it's so impressive. And I think it really speaks to the quality of your content, honestly.
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B
Really?
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A
Yes. And every time I'm like, I never pass a Bethany lip sync video because I'm like, this knows all the words. Yay.
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B
All right, well, I'm gonna do another one today. I have to do one today. Okay.
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Is one of your greatest qualities, and I have to say from like, the community of people who find it annoying when people don't. Thank you.
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B
Well, I didn't know that was a community. I'm so happy.
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A
Oh, big time. If you're gonna lip sync, do it right.
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B
So what do you love the most about social media? Are you. Are you like it? Are you. Do you live knee deep in it?
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A
Like, ever since I had a baby, I'm much. I'm ten toes deep. I'm not knee deep in it now. I love it. I've been doing it for so long that, like, I really have seen the ugly sides of it and so much so that it kind of cured me a little bit Now I think I look at it really as a job, and I'm really grateful for it, especially, like, with a new baby. It's the best job in the world when you become a mom, because it's kind of the only job where I think people find you more interesting and you get more opportunities, almost kind of get a promotion, like a whole new tier of brands that want to work with you. And I think you relate to a lot more people so you get more followers. Like, I've seen enormous growth since becoming a mom and I. I don't think a lot of women who, you know, become moms and go back to work can say that. So that's my favorite part of it.
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B
Oh, okay. And do you feel like, where is your primary residence? Is it in TikTok? Is it in Instagram? Is here right where we are right now.
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A
Like, this is the mothership. This feeds everything.
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B
This is your primary residence. So interesting.
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A
This is my full time job.
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B
Yeah. Like, my. The podcast for me is like a tertiary. Not even yours is TikTok. Mine is like social media brand. Yeah. And brands and things like that. Just being myself. Because that to me is the reality show. So that's my people in 2020. 25 are saying, like, when are you gonna go back on tv? And I get offered shows all the time. I'm like, I am on tv. It's less money, a lot less bulk. I'm employed. Yeah, exactly. Only young people understand that. So in hiring recently a chief creative officer and a president of production for content, I met with a lot of the people from the talk shows, like the big talk shows, like the Ellen, the Views, whatever. They are dinosaurs. They don't understand. I asked a couple of them, like, what are you loving on social media right now? They really couldn't. Oh, there's a woman who makes Italian. They couldn't really give an answer. And I'm like, oh, you don't live there. Oh, wait, you don't really get it.
- [21:51]
A
And by the way, you did do Talk.
- [21:53]
B
I did it.
- [21:53]
A
The Bethany show. That was everything. Did you hate doing that?
- [21:56]
B
Yes.
- [21:56]
A
Yeah, I feel like I can sense that now.
- [21:58]
B
Yes. Because I don't like bulk and I don't like traffic control, and I like doing it myself. So that's the reason. I don't like to be bogged down, shackled. Don't. Please don't take this the wrong way. Even sitting in a chair right now and having headphones on with a microphone, for me, that, like, my team keeps being like, wait, we have to do, like, something like this, like, shoot it and produce it. And it's a show, which I admire and I.
- [22:18]
A
But you thrive more, like, on the whim.
- [22:19]
B
I like to be in the wild.
- [22:20]
A
Yeah.
- [22:20]
B
I'm not good at being sitting down.
- [22:23]
A
Well, I think you're doing a great job so far.
- [22:24]
B
No, here. Yes, I know you mean. But it's a place to visit.
- [22:26]
A
Yeah.
- [22:27]
B
It's not for me to be like, I'm doing a couple of big podcasts next week, but it's not for me to be, like, every day. My bread and butter.
- [22:33]
A
Yes. Now, speaking of primary residences, you've recently switched yours up.
- [22:37]
B
Yes.
- [22:37]
A
You left New York, and I feel like that was, like, truly a recession indicator. Like, Bethany's leaving New York. I know you are, whether you like it or not, like, a part of the fabric of New York. I grew up in the city. Like, everybody was talking about you in the city, like, and, you know, you've gone Hamptons, you've gone Connecticut, but you've always sort of just been a part of the fabric of New York. Talk me through your decision to leave. That was crazy.
- [22:57]
B
Wait, what's so crazy is I would look at my team like, well, I'm not the first person to get on a plane, especially.
- [23:01]
A
A lot of your former castmates have made the.
- [23:03]
B
But there was 27 articles.
- [23:05]
A
It was like national news. It is.
- [23:07]
B
It was crazy. It's insane. I know, because I think it's what you said. It was like, I am embedded in New York. I am a native New Yorker, and I think it just shocked everyone. But I also think it's because I'm a business person and a real estate person that people like, wait, what's going on?
- [23:22]
A
I think a lot of people look to you because you're just very smart and you've had success in business and in real estate. And so, you know people who have thought about leaving New York. Well, like, oh, well, Bethany's going. So it's kind of like a. It's an indicator.
- [23:31]
B
It was a little bit of an indicator also because I've become at this, you know, ripe old age, an influencer. So it has had some influence. A lot of people have reached out to me from all levels of CEOs and be like, oh, my God, you started it. But I'm moving. I'm like, this is crazy. Am I now taking credit for people moving to New York?
- [23:48]
A
What was the main reason?
- [23:51]
B
Well, I can. If I had been still in New York City, in the Hamptons, I'm not sure if I would have done it. Because for a while I was thinking I just wasn't ready and I don't know if I would connect here. Even though I went to high school here, I have a past year. I bought an apartment here last year, and I was really enjoying it. A condo. And then I just. Connecticut was drowning me. It was really soul crushing for me. It wasn't where I was from. I didn't understand why I was there. I was in a big, giant house on a compound, and it was kind of suffocating me. It made me feel very lonely and slightly depressed. So I justified it as, in a couple years, my daughter will be in college, and that's when maybe there'll be some version of a move. But something happened in the meantime that I can't get into that was a little traumatic in our life and our household. And I took the opening. I asked my daughter, and she was just ready. We both like Thelma and Louise without. Without jumping off a drunk. Of course. Of course. Of course we're ready to make this move at the same time together. And we really are very much like these, like, ride or die people. She's my daughter, she's not my best friend, but we just Go through the same things from totally different perspectives. Almost like Jamie Lee Curtis and what's.
- [24:59]
A
Her name, Lindsay Lohan.
- [24:59]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Like, we're not. We're just. The other day I told you, like, I woke up in the morning, I was like, a little overwhelmed, and she was like, mama, can I stay home with you? And I'm like, absolutely. Like, she needed a day, I needed a day. Sometimes we come together for different things. So we both happened to come together in a line on March 19th here. And I just took the opening and the way that I sold the house in a week, the way that I got the new house in three weeks was nothing short of crazy.
- [25:24]
A
Yeah. No, I feel like you should get a medal of honor from, like, Desantis or something. Like, you are moving people down here.
- [25:30]
B
I think I might be.
- [25:31]
A
You definitely are.
- [25:32]
B
Yeah, I know. I should get a medal of Honor from DeSantis 1000%. A lot of people said they're going to move here because of me and sort of want my approval about it or my advice about it. It's very interesting.
- [25:41]
A
I have. So, like, I could talk to you. We do need to get into the stories, but I just have one more question for you before. What do you. Do you like a thesis, a thought on Ozempic? Like, what is your overall thought on it?
- [25:50]
B
Is Ozempic is one of the.
- [25:52]
A
Yeah, I'm talking about the weight loss drugs in general, the GLP1s.
- [25:54]
B
So that's what it's a GLP1 is. All of those brands of that. Okay. My thought is. And it's almost like when marijuana was legalized, and I thought, like, are people gonna be just, like, crashing off the side of the road or something bad gonna happen? I can't believe it's so widespread and from. I know that some bad things have happened, but overall, people are just managing and surviving in their lives, doing it. I'm shocked that there aren't people with major. That are anorexic and eating disorders that are also taking this shot, that are like, killing themselves because. So I don't know the highs and lows of it. I know for someone who needed to. Who had a lot of food noise, a term that I coined, believe it or not. I don't know if that's probably great because then they're getting a better relationship with food. But I've found that some of them gain the weight back if they're not on it. I don't understand it enough. I just feel like I was with someone very thin the other Day who was just like, no, I just took a shot before this thing and then I'll take, I'll take it again when I go on vacation. Or gay men that are taking a shot just before, like, so it seems insane. It's reduced the food supply. It's reduced fuel cost in airplanes. I've read in the past, wow, the weight, right. It's affecting the world. So I don't you. Have you done it?
- [27:12]
A
Huge fan. Before I got pregnant, I lost a ton of weight because I wanted to get pregnant and didn't want to get pregnant at a high weight. And once I'm done breastfeeding, I will be going back on it.
- [27:20]
B
Okay.
- [27:20]
A
To me, it's like a life saving. Like I love obsessed.
- [27:23]
B
It's like a management tool.
- [27:24]
A
It's not in a addiction, but like I'm addicted to the feeling.
- [27:27]
B
But what do you think of very Thin Pete? Like, what if I. On the job?
- [27:30]
A
So Jackie Goldschneider from Real Housewives of New Jersey is like always going off about this and I kind of like hate everything she says about it because she does have experience with like a very, very severe eating disorder. So she hates it. And while I'm sorry that that happened, that doesn't mean there aren't people who need it, you know, And a doctor would never prescribe it to somebody like Jackie Gold Schneider or somebody who doesn't.
- [27:48]
B
Need it, of course.
- [27:49]
A
So like. Well, yeah, anything can be abused. That doesn't make it bad.
- [27:52]
B
No, of course. Anything.
- [27:53]
A
I'm a huge fan. Like I, I think.
- [27:55]
B
But I could go get it right now. No, because the doctor wouldn't prescribe it. I buy it on the dark web.
- [27:59]
A
No, I'm sure you can find like a med spy that shoot you up for like 50 bucks. But like. But I would.
- [28:05]
B
That's what I'm saying. So then. But wouldn't I become like severely anorexic? Yeah, you know, you happening to people.
- [28:10]
A
I don't think you would become severely anorexic. I don't know if you have like a propensity or a history of eating disorders, but like, no, it's not for everyone. But everything's not for everyone.
- [28:18]
B
No, I just mean aren't some people abusing it and getting painfully thin and it's like, probably. Yeah, okay. I also think. But so have diet pills, I guess I also think that for people that don't need it, there's a very bad look to it. It looks a little bit desperate. I mean like physical.
- [28:34]
A
Do you mean physical?
- [28:35]
B
Yeah, like you could see these older women that are in age inappropriate bathing suits and the skin is kind of like, it just looks weird. Sometimes people look just strange and it looks like they're not in their own bodies.
- [28:46]
A
Do you know Bricks Nader, Supermodel? So on her, she has a show with her sisters and they're all like one pound gorgeous supermodels. And they are on it.
- [28:54]
B
They tell it.
- [28:55]
A
She talked about it really openly and some of the sisters were like getting worried about Brooks.
- [28:58]
B
But I just saw her last week. She looked good. Like, she didn't look like.
- [29:01]
A
No, she looks great. But they were showing, like, I guess since the time she started her modeling career, she has lost 30 pounds. And you see her at her previous weight and she doesn't look like somebody who has 30 pounds to lose. And then like you said you saw her last night £30 down and she looks great. So. And she was very open about the fact that like, yes, it's not the healthiest thing. She's not a good candidate for it. But like, this is what it takes to be a supermodel.
- [29:20]
B
Wow.
- [29:20]
A
And she is the biggest model in the world right now. And she wasn't going to be.
- [29:24]
B
She is.
- [29:24]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [29:25]
B
Literally.
- [29:25]
A
Yeah.
- [29:26]
B
Well, I'm a supermodel also.
- [29:27]
A
Yeah. Supermodel. Snack.
- [29:28]
B
Yeah. No, so she literally is a super. That's a big word.
- [29:31]
A
She's a supermodel.
- [29:32]
B
Wow.
- [29:32]
A
Yeah.
- [29:33]
B
Okay. Well, she was great. She was like, I didn't.
- [29:35]
A
And her and her sisters all take it because they all do different, like modeling and they dabble. They don't consistently take it. But you know, they have a big shoot coming up or whatever. Like you said, a trip.
- [29:42]
B
Wow.
- [29:42]
A
Yeah.
- [29:43]
B
Right? Wow. Yeah. Okay, well, that's interesting to know. And what is it doing? It's just making you want to eat less. Is that so I guess it's not burning fat more.
- [29:51]
A
No, it's per person. So, like, for me, my experience was like you said, food noise just getting fuller quicker, still eating balanced meals. Some people, you know, you can change your life while you're on it and like live a totally different lifestyle. Or you can keep making the same bad decisions and you still lose weight. Right. Because that's how it works.
- [30:04]
B
One thing I just find funny is the people that are white knuckling wanting everyone to think that they're not on it. And it's so obvious and it's just so stupid. Nobody cares either.
- [30:11]
A
Now I think now it's been totally destigmatized. Like everyone's on it in the beginning.
- [30:15]
B
But you can't go back. And unlike no, they still have to live in the lie. And they were heavy their whole lives and then all of a sudden and you're like stop.
- [30:21]
A
And then you feel bad for the people who are losing weight without it and they're getting all the allegations and oh that's true. You might as well have just gone on it cuz we all think you did it anyway.
- [30:28]
B
Yes, that's funny.
- [30:28]
A
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B
I'm watching clips of it. I'm not invested on it.
- [35:23]
A
Well, last night the craziest thing ever in the world happened. Let me hear Prince William made a cameo.
- [35:30]
B
I did not Know that?
- [35:31]
A
Yes.
- [35:31]
B
Wait, what?
- [35:32]
A
It was a video cameo, but still, it was crazy. Okay, so Robert Irwin, the son of Steve Irwin, Crocodile Dundee, he is probably gonna win, honestly, he's like, like, so amazing. And they did his little package, and he was talking about how it's, you know, his dad's legacy is so important to him, and he is this sort of international figure. He meets with Prince William, and he was missing this event that he goes to every year because he's on Dancing with the Stars. And so because he couldn't be there, Prince William sent a video.
- [35:55]
B
Oh, my God, look. I love Prince William.
- [36:00]
A
Love. Is that shocking?
- [36:02]
B
That's. And what was he saying? We're supporting you.
- [36:04]
A
We're so proud of you. You're making us so proud. You're honoring your dad's legacy. He was also nice, but I was shook, like, not him being on Dancing with the Star. Stars. Did you ever do Dancing in the Stars?
- [36:11]
B
I was. I've been asked since the beginning. Literally, since you're perfect person for it.
- [36:15]
A
Never.
- [36:15]
B
I don't. I don't want to do it.
- [36:17]
A
It looks like so much work.
- [36:18]
B
It's also. It's longer than your pregnancy was. Are they still doing it? Like, it's so true when someone's still pregnant. Like, it's enough already. Have the freaking baby.
- [36:25]
A
No, there's still six couples left.
- [36:26]
B
It's not like, yeah, I. I have deal fatigue. I was interested for a couple weeks, and now I have deal fatigue. But why was the. The girl, Xandra, who came on here, didn't she. She was like. Like, she was doing. Did a video, like, out and proud for Irwin, too. Does she know him? Was she on the show?
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A
No, she wasn't on the show.
- [36:43]
B
She. I don't know what her connection being on the show.
- [36:46]
A
No, I don't think so. But, like, the thing is, Dancing with the Stars is a cult. I've only recently started watching. And for years, like, people I know who watch the show are obsessed with it. They go to the tour, it comes to Radio City, they dance. Oh, someone's getting married.
- [36:58]
B
Because all the.
- [36:59]
A
It's like, very ancestral. All the pros marry each other, have kids together, divorce. Yes, people are obsessed with it. Now I'm enjoying my time watching Fun. I love Alex.
- [37:06]
B
Oh, you watch, you tune in.
- [37:08]
A
Now I'm watching once a week. It's my first time ever watching. And I will say, like, I do understand the cult type.
- [37:12]
B
Like, they came in and brought it this season with all the talent.
- [37:15]
A
Alex Earl crushed Robert Irwin.
- [37:18]
B
Like, it's It's Dylan Efron guy, right?
- [37:20]
A
Yeah. No, the casting this season, I agree, is supreme.
- [37:22]
B
But also, like Prince. Kris Jenner came to support Eladius.
- [37:27]
A
I was shocked.
- [37:28]
B
So now everybody has to have like a major.
- [37:31]
A
You know, but this takes the cake.
- [37:32]
B
This. Right. We're gonna have to talk about the Kris Jenner party too.
- [37:35]
A
Okay, well, I want to know your thoughts on Meghan and Harry not only being there, but then asking for the photos of them to be deleted.
- [37:39]
B
Okay. That's so funny that you said asking. Was that confirmed?
- [37:42]
A
Oh, sorry. It wasn't. I just assumed.
- [37:44]
B
Oh, I said it yesterday too. But every. The headlines were sort of indicating that somehow Chris Kim, their group wanted to take them down. Like they quietly took them down as if it was their choice. And I did on my podcast yesterday, which hasn't aired yet, I was like, why is that sort of the tone of the articles? It has to be that they opposite. Because they don't want people to feel that they're hobnobbing with the Kardashians.
- [38:09]
A
Right. But so don't go.
- [38:10]
B
It's just. Listen, this has been the number one hot thing I ever did in social media that didn't need to be done for. What happened was talk about Megan the day before her Oprah interview. I remember it said cry me a river. And it really just hit sideways. There were two brand deals. I lost all this. Really? Yeah. It would. Yeah, yeah. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
- [38:37]
A
Crazy.
- [38:38]
B
Because of that, people were scared. Okay. Because of the. She was saying she was suicidal. Because of the talking about the racism. Racism, yes. So that was like. It just hit at the wrong time. Then everyone started just. Not everyone. Many people started really agreeing with me. And that was a too early take. That was an early. Early.
- [38:58]
A
I was gonna say. I feel like only really started criticizing her very recently. Like it only became acceptable. Excuse me.
- [39:03]
B
To.
- [39:03]
A
To criticize her. It used to be a thing where you can say anything.
- [39:05]
B
Not very recently. It was around the Netflix special. The whole thing. Okay. But I was very vocal at that time in saying. I'm sure they're both lovely. I do know someone who I've met a couple times. Her ex husband and I'm sure Meghan's. Yes, I met him personally. We were supposed to. We. Whatever. We.
- [39:26]
A
Somebody set you up.
- [39:27]
B
We met in the lobby of the Soho House in Chicago and just sort of like flirted and then started talking and then met once in la very briefly. We talked about doing a project. He said his ex was a woman from A show called Suits. I didn't know what the show was. I didn't know the woman. Months later, I see pictures in Us Weekly of Harry's dating someone and I text him to be like, is this your ex? And he's like, yup. And I'm like, I go, you think she's gonna close? And he's like, oh, she'll close. And I don't wanna get into more about that. But he was like, she'll close. So I thought she was wonderful. It was so great for the monarchy. I liked the message, all the things. When they left, I was really more just talking about, like their decisions through the Netflix, through the trying to put 50 pounds of shit in a five pound bag. It just seemed like had they been managed properly or really been strategic, like played chess, it would've been. Been such a different outcome. I don't know what happened to Amal and George, their close friends. Like, I want to be best friends with George and Amal way more than I want to be at the Kardashians. Like, like David Beckham and Victoria. Like, where's that?
- [40:32]
A
Like, why wasn't she. Like, they, they should have come to the States and been like friends with Michelle and Barack. Like so many things.
- [40:36]
B
It seems like people in Hobbiton Trudeau.
- [40:39]
A
Repel them like they want nothing to. So that's why I was actually pleasantly surprised to see her at the party. I'm like, that's what you should be doing. Like, this is. You're fabulous, you're rich, you're skinny, you live in la, like go to the Kardashian Bezos party. Like, like.
- [40:49]
B
Well, no, but they did it a while ago. They did something with Chris and Ellen. Ellen, yes, before, like in Montessee. Yeah.
- [40:56]
A
This is the life I, like, wanted for her. And so for her to. I am of the belief that she asked them to take the photos down for whatever reason.
- [41:03]
B
No, it's not whatever reason. It's basically you can't be. You can't ride two horses at the same time. So you can't like be all about the podium and the philanthropy and the really care, you know, the supernatural, muted tones and don't really care about all of this flash and cash and then hang out with the flash and cash. That's why I have always said Lauren Sanchez is Meghan Markle with no rules. Honey badger, don't give a fuck. I love that she doesn't have to answer to anyone. She can do what she wants. She can have her tits out. They could donate Money, how they want. And she and Jeff, who I know are great. I don't care what anyone says. They're great. They're doing what they want. They're allowed to hang out with anybody they want. Okay. And I've known her for years since, like, she first first met Patrick, who I knew, her ex husband. Okay. So I've known her for years and talked about her. Megan is trying to be so many different things, and I just don't think that she herself is fully aware of who she is. So you can't be exact. I can be authentic exactly who I am. Piss people off. Don't piss them off. I know where I stand and I make mistakes. I'll come back to the line. But, like, it's very difficult to be front and center at the Kardashian 70th party and then also be many of.
- [42:19]
A
The things that she wants to be.
- [42:20]
B
Yeah. And maybe she is both those things, but it's hard for the audience to digest that. Toast.
- [42:25]
A
Do you have a relationship with the Kardashians at all?
- [42:30]
B
So I have been public about some of my thoughts about their choices in the past, which was probably not, like, the most strategic thing. But I am not one who wants. I don't cozy up to celebrities. It's just not my thing.
- [42:47]
A
You say what you think.
- [42:48]
B
Yes. And I also don't. My friends are the same friends from high school. I'm not, like. I don't, like, run with a fabulous circle of people. I know everyone. So my opinion is I have met. Met Kim, and she was very nice. I respect what she's done. I met Khloe. Very nice. I've met Kourtney, have met Chris. I have many friends in common with them. I think that they're in a better era now than when I was very public about. I was very public about, like, needing a Kardashian cleanse and intervention. I had a whole video about that a couple years ago. I think that they've all really settled into their extraordinary wealth, and you can tell it in their energy and their vibe. I think that they're like. Like, they're not, like, old. They're not like new money. They're like old money. The way that they act about it, they. They don't. They. They know they belong now.
- [43:38]
A
Yeah.
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B
They're not, like, still trying to do everything, be everything. They're. They're at a lot of things because they're very big and they're printing money.
- [43:47]
A
Yeah.
- [43:47]
B
But I think they've settled in.
- [43:50]
A
Yeah. I think it Took them a while to like figure out how they went from being these like relatable sisters to billionaires.
- [43:55]
B
To billionaires. And I give them all the props and I've been fairly, fairly reviewed their products, you know, which they've come in and mentioned.
- [44:03]
A
What do you think is the best Kardashian brand? Skims, Good American product. Both.
- [44:07]
B
I mean, I think Skims has been revolutionary. I think it's, it's, and it's, it's always really on brand. I mean, I think it stays consistent to the brand. And she puts her back into it. No pun intended. She, she does. I liked, I enjoyed the Chloe popcorn. I don't enjoy the protein trend. I think it's stupid and I think it's jamming more calories and people don't know how to eat an egg or a piece of chicken. Starbucks is doing it. But I enjoyed her popcorn and reviewed it and she chimed into the comments. I reviewed Courtney's product. I like that she sits back and wants to, yes, cash the check, but also wants to preserve her being a mother. And she realizes that this time is precious. I think that I find it to be impossible to be able to raise kids yourself and also be on all these, these carpets and also being all this glam. Like it's, it's a lot of work. I couldn't, I couldn't do it. Yeah, I do a lot, but it's a lot of like forward facing glam and hanging out with other like a list people. I just, that's just not my true authentic self.
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A
Yeah. Our next story is about Sabrina Carpenter. You have thoughts on her? Does Bryn like her?
- [45:14]
B
It's so funny. Bryn likes Sabrina Carpenter and actually was her for one of your many Halloween costumes. I went to her concert. Concert. And I get it and I enjoy it. But it's another one that I don't understand that much. Like. I bet I get it.
- [45:26]
A
Well, she is set to star and produce in a musical, Alice in Wonderland for Universal, which I think is such a cute next move for her love. People forget because she's like now like the sexy girl. She's from Disney. Like she can do it all. She could sing, she could dance, she could do it. I actually think she'll be excellent in this.
- [45:39]
B
Yes. I love that. That's great. That's a great note.
- [45:42]
A
Mark Platt, who's Ben Platt's dad, is gonna produce it.
- [45:45]
B
That's amazing. No, that I love that there's every. Everything is right about that.
- [45:48]
A
I agree.
- [45:49]
B
The modern funny girl. Girl.
- [45:50]
A
I know even Though they did just redo Alice in Wonderland. Remember, Johnny Depp was the Mad Hatter. They love to redo Disney things a thousand times.
- [45:58]
B
Wicked was Ariana Grande. So, yeah, we're saying that it's gonna be like the big giant talent is gonna.
- [46:03]
A
Right. Are you a wicked fanatic like everybody else?
- [46:05]
B
I'm not. You're not? Not at all. Not like, did you see it? Nope, I didn't.
- [46:09]
A
You're kidding.
- [46:10]
B
No. I know.
- [46:10]
A
I'm straight. That's literally insane.
- [46:12]
B
I know. I never saw the Sound of Music either, though, so.
- [46:14]
A
Yeah, by the way, me neither.
- [46:15]
B
Okay. Yeah, I'm.
- [46:16]
A
And I do not understand the hype. Like.
- [46:18]
B
Like, I don't understand everything. I'm not a fan of everything. I'm very niche and very nuanced.
- [46:22]
A
I like that you, like, don't pretend to like stuff or no stuff if sometimes be like, someone's like, well, have you seen Dark Knight Rises? I'm like, yeah, like, just because. I just don't feel like saying yeah.
- [46:29]
B
You know, the answer is no for many things. Wow.
- [46:31]
A
I love that.
- [46:32]
B
It's the same thing. It's like, that's what you're allowed to just not be into it 1000%. You can't be into everything.
- [46:37]
A
I respect your boundaries, Bethany.
- [46:39]
B
Thank you.
- [46:39]
A
Okay, our third story. Oh, this is so crazy. You probably don't care because, like, you don't live and die for Taylor Swift, but Travis and Jason, the brother, they have a podcast together. Sometimes they have guests. Not a lot of times. And they have, really, a list people. And they just announced Miles Teller is gonna be a guest on their podcast. Now, normally, why would we care? He's just doing press for his movie, which actually looks really good, but to me, this is so crazy.
- [47:00]
B
Wait, why would we not care? Isn't he so, like, gorgeous?
- [47:02]
A
Well, of course. No, no, it's all good. But normally this wouldn't be a story like some random person ran a podcast. It's so deep. Bethany, let me explain it to you. Okay.
- [47:09]
B
He's not a random person going on a podcast. But, like, he's a very specific person. Of course.
- [47:13]
A
But it's so nuanced.
- [47:14]
B
Okay, well, he's very bro ish.
- [47:16]
A
He's very bro ish. He's perfect fit for the podcast.
- [47:18]
B
Right?
- [47:19]
A
His wife and Taylor had a very fiery, brief friendship. Flash in a pan. She was Taylor's everything for, like, what's her name?
- [47:27]
B
Where'd she come from?
- [47:27]
A
Her name is Kelly Teller. She's adorable. She was Taylor's date to the Emmys. They had, like, a couple. She got her a birthday ring. It was this big ring. And everybody was talking about it. Miles and Telly and Kelly and Taylor were all out holding hands. And then never to be seen again. It has been, I think, a year.
- [47:44]
B
Isn't Kelly Taylor the character from 90210?
- [47:46]
A
Well, her name is Kelly. K E L L E I G.
- [47:49]
B
H. Okay, so who can. I'll figure it out later. All right.
- [47:51]
A
So she's this cute girl.
- [47:52]
B
Okay.
- [47:54]
A
Became fast friends with Taylor. Taylor ended up casting Miles in a music video. It was like this kind of beautiful, like, year where they were just best friends.
- [48:00]
B
Like, okay.
- [48:01]
A
And then never to be seen again. And now a lot of people have speculated that there was some sort of falling out. They don't really talk about it. Like, two days ago, Miles Teller was asked on a red carpet if he'll be attending the wedding. And he was very weird.
- [48:11]
B
But then why would these two have him on?
- [48:13]
A
I don't know. So now to me, like, you couldn't convince me before I saw this that there was not bad blood between Kelly and Taylor. Now I'm so confused.
- [48:23]
B
I just don't understand. There's. Unless the media of it is why, like, they're gonna have him on and it's gonna get so much PR because of what you're talking about. But that's very niche and nuanced too.
- [48:32]
A
I know.
- [48:34]
B
You know, I just. Just think it's so gangster that, like, Taylor the one. So listen, I'm a business person first. So when you ask me about being a fan of Taylor and all these things, and I'm agnostic, I love that it's a realm. And I. Whoever. I think it's that publicist. She's like that blonde public tree pain, whoever she. This that is. That woman is running the not fucking around crew. So what's interesting to me is the gatekeeping, the realm, protecting the guardian. Like. Like that woman, like Blake Lively can just be just fricking exone. I mean, not exonerated. What's it called? Eviscerated. But when you get out of the church, that woman, Blake Lively, who I've always loved and thought is like, interesting and like such a just like popular girl, was just completely excommunicated from the church. Just banished from the kingdom.
- [49:25]
A
I know.
- [49:26]
B
So now this one must have done something too.
- [49:29]
A
You would think.
- [49:29]
B
Yes, but Miles Teller's a big get. No, you're saying they could get anyone.
- [49:33]
A
They could get anyone. They've had Adam Sandler, people who don't. They had Leonardo DiCaprio a couple of weeks ago.
- [49:36]
B
What's your theory? You have to have a theory.
- [49:38]
A
No, no. It takes a lot to confuse the fuck out of me because I was so sure. I have no idea. I guess you could just chalk it up to business. But they're not. They don't always have guests. They don't have to have guests. Like, they do it because it's someone they're a really big fan of. They get the biggest people in the world. Miles is huge.
- [49:53]
B
Of course, I think he's very huge. And it might just be have the huge guest on and we're not talking about that.
- [49:58]
A
Taylor doesn't. Oh, and by the way the podcast came out. It was a whole nothing, but nothing.
- [50:02]
B
Happens even want the headlines. Right. Maybe she doesn't around. She wouldn't even want the headlines. You're right.
- [50:05]
A
I am so confused because now we're talking about it again. Like, it's just. I. I have no idea.
- [50:11]
B
Wow.
- [50:12]
A
And I have a theory for everything. This makes no sense to me because to me they are definitely have bad blood. I think the friendship definitely ended poorly. And again, Travis has a huge podcast. He does not need to have Miles Teller on. Like, it's cool if he did, but he doesn't have to. They don't always have guests. And the show does the show. They just signed a $100 million contract with Amazon. Like, they're fine.
- [50:27]
B
Well, what. Listen, this could be a whole thing in general. Like, if someone would go and do like a full board, like a Beautiful Mind scrawl of all the celebrities that hung and then just dissolve like exact. Like a Megan and Harry and George and Amal is a perfect one. And David Beckham.
- [50:45]
A
Taylor has a lot of those. A lot of former friends.
- [50:47]
B
Someone has to like, write that all out because I'm fascinated by that.
- [50:51]
A
There are so many. Taylor has a lot of friends who she's had for a million years. Selena Gomez. I'm talking about public figures.
- [50:56]
B
Okay?
- [50:56]
A
Selena Gomez, the Haim Girls. She's Blake Lively up until recently. But there are a lot of girls she does not fuck with anymore that, like, used to be Ryder Dynamics, but.
- [51:05]
B
Kim Kardashian used to be best friends of Brittany Gastonau and Lars Gastonau. Yes, Brittany Gasto. They were best friends. She was part of the crew. You don't see. And I don't know if she's still friends with Lala. I think she is, but not okay. But, you know, they. They've. Listen, that's okay. So that brings us to the precipice of the 70th birthday party.
- [51:23]
A
Is it all comes back to the 70th birthday? No.
- [51:25]
B
I'll tell you why it will. Because years ago I sat with Lorne Michaels in his backyard in for everyone who doesn't know the. The creator and producer of SNL in his backyard. It was right before he was launching Jimmy Fallon. And he told me, having nothing to do with Jimmy Fallon or any of these people, you will become more and more successful and you will really only become friends. You will only be friends with people that can really understand what you're going through, what you're in. And he was effectively saying like, very successful people are friends of very successful people. I took none of that advice. My friends are still the people that don't have social media, don't even know how to put their own makeup on. But for most people, they get to that level and their own water seeks its own level. They're only hanging out with people at their level. They're trimming a lot of. Of fat.
- [52:10]
A
That's fair.
- [52:10]
B
So it's gotta be so Taylor Swift. That tour injected a level of no fat. Honey badger don't give a fuck. This realm is tight buttoned up. Anybody who they've ever thought, ever snitched, ever said anything is a leak out. Intolerable. The stakes are too high. The game runs different. I've just always been very lean and I don't have many friends to begin with because I don't like that's a.
- [52:33]
A
Good way to look at it like that. That she's just sort of leveled out of certain.
- [52:37]
B
And Meghan and Harry are doing it too. They're like, we're hanging out with Oprah.
- [52:40]
A
I don't know. I think something's a little bit more sinister about Meghan and Harry's like. Like the amount of publicists who come and go, the assistants who come and go people she hires, these huge chief of staffs from huge companies, come and go, I don't know anything.
- [52:50]
B
They want it bad.
- [52:51]
A
There's something weird going on.
- [52:52]
B
They want it bad. Yeah, they want it bad.
- [52:53]
A
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Normally, like, who would care? Toy Story 5 is coming out. Nobody cares. But the premise of the movie is so, like, really taking the Internet by storm because the kid in the movie is getting an iPad, and all the toys are freaking out about the iPad. And now it's like this huge conversation about iPad kids and, like, kids and technology. It's. It's kind of a. A statement on screen time. I don't know how the movie ends if the iPad and the toys become friends, but I just thought it was kind of like a. A sleigh of a plot line.
- [57:39]
B
Well, it's a slave. A plot line, but, like, when we were kids. You're much younger than I am, but kids were just parked in front of the television. Okay. Parents were smoking cigarettes, drinking wine, while pregnant kids were parked in front of the television. Half the day. It was a babysitter. So kids aren't watching television anymore at all. They don't turn on television for the most part. My daughter does for Stranger Things. And we watch. We're watching what I call Anal Sex in the City, which is the show girls that I accidentally turned her on. It was gonna be girls crying. No, because it's the. I thought it was.
- [58:10]
A
It's insane.
- [58:10]
B
No, I know, but I've, like, got her. Like, we were watching it together. I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck is. I thought it was gonna be about cute girls in New York City.
- [58:17]
A
It is not about cute girls.
- [58:19]
B
No. And now my daughter has had an entire sex education class that I would never have let her take. Yeah. So I fucked that up good. But I don't know that the screen time is that much more. It's just more on the go and in different places and at restaurants. Yeah.
- [58:33]
A
I think.
- [58:34]
B
I don't see kids in front of televisions at home all day. My daughter's.
- [58:37]
A
No, that's not a thing. And I think what worries people more about the iPad is, like, the access it gives you to the outer world. I know the porn and the graphic violence and things like that. I do wonder where Disney's gonna land at the end of the movie. Are they gonna say the iPad is good or bad?
- [58:51]
B
Oh, what do you think about kids.
- [58:52]
A
On iPads in restaurants? This is like a hot button topic, always on the Internet.
- [58:55]
B
I hate to be the mom that's like, I never did that. But I never did it. And I never did it. I just think it's. I would use it for a plane. I would save it up for the plane. Cause that's just being selfish. Cause I want that.
- [59:07]
A
Yeah. You wanna close your eyes.
- [59:09]
B
I wanna close your eyes. But I really. If it was a situation where it was like, five adults and a later dinner, it might be, like, a treat. And I might be like, here's the iPad. But I was not the one with the big rubber iPad that they're holding. I wasn't that person. So I don't have a. I'm not gonna have a judgment on it. It's a tool, but I just. Wasn't it. I don't love the look.
- [59:27]
A
You have an aesthetic sense as well.
- [59:29]
B
It just. I don't love. It's so American. It's so, like, Disney oversized turkey drumstick and, like, frozen sugary drink. Like, it's just. Just so American.
- [59:38]
A
You have a statement on Disney adults.
- [59:40]
B
A statement on Disney thesis, if you will. You know, I guess there's a. There's a. There's a. If it bends. If it bends, it's fine. If it breaks, it gets crazy. But I think, like, it's a happy place. It's fun. I like it. I enjoy it. I like rides. It's nostalgic. I love. You know, so it's made many people happy. I mean, I don't know. How could that. Right? What are you doing? They're not going there, like, putting rubber bands around their arms, shooting up. It's like you're going and like, putting ears on and being a little over the top. But, like, I live in fuzzy pajamas all the time. There's a version of that that's a little Disney adult wearing Care Bear pajamas around the house. There's a version of that that's, like, not appropriate.
- [60:19]
A
I don't disagree.
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B
You know? I love that. You know? So there you go.
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A
Our fifth and final story is some really unfortunate news. Ariana Grande is apparently still with that guy Bach. They have proved that they're still going strong. I assume that they were totally broken up because I haven't heard or seen anything but she posted a Picture on Instagram November 11th. She was wearing a black strapless gown, and she stood sandwiched between spongebob and some guy named Danny. So they're still together? I thought for sure they weren't.
- [60:42]
B
What's the pro? I don't understand. I don't know anything about it because I know you don't.
- [60:45]
A
You don't watch Wicked.
- [60:47]
B
So who's Bach?
- [60:48]
A
Okay, so that's a character he plays. His name is Ethan Slater, and he got cast in Wicked, which was kind of miraculous because up until this point, his biggest career accomplishment was playing spongebob on Broadway. I mean, he's kind of like a theater guy guy. And. No, like, not to be mean. I'm just, like, being matter of fact, like, he's.
- [61:01]
B
Why would that be mean?
- [61:02]
A
No, what I'm about to say. Oh, he's not, like, the most gorgeous.
- [61:04]
B
So we're entering the to be mean. Yeah. Segment of the porn.
- [61:07]
A
It's just. It's like, context is important.
- [61:09]
B
By the way, no one can ever say not to be mean and not be mean. Not to be mean.
- [61:13]
A
Facts. But I can be honest.
- [61:14]
B
Okay.
- [61:14]
A
He's not, like, gorgeous.
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B
Right. Okay.
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A
And certainly not on her level in terms of, like, success and fame. And he came on the set and he, at the time was married with a newborn baby. Baby.
- [61:26]
B
Oh, yeah. Now I remember this peripheral story.
- [61:29]
A
Now, they. There have been various timelines, various accusations. It is my belief that there was a bit of crossover.
- [61:37]
B
Yes.
- [61:37]
A
He gets divorced, leaves the wife, and the kid starts dating major pop star Ariana Grande. This was during filming, so I believe now they've been together for almost two years. And it is the most shocking thing. You just see them together. They don't look like a match.
- [61:51]
B
There's a lot of that. You could do a whole thing on those couples, too. There's a lot of that. I can name five actresses that you're like, that's interesting, but go ahead.
- [61:58]
A
Ariana's just sort of never beating the allegations that she doesn't respect relationships. There have been a couple of. Naya Rivera alluded in her memoir that, you know, Ariana sort of stepped on the toes of her relationship with Big Sean. There's just.
- [62:08]
B
What a bad reputation to have.
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A
Yeah. And now there's a child involved. So it was a really bad look for Ariana. I think it took her a while to recover, too. And now they just are together. They did press together. Well, they didn't do press together. They walked certain carpets together during Wicked. And it's Just sort of like this acceptable thing. Meanwhile, some of us are still at the restaurant. Like, I never forget the fact that he literally left his wife into her, maybe for Ariana Grande. It's just like. It's so crazy.
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B
And that happened to. I forgot who the guy was. He, like, lost his job because of it. It was. Yeah, he was on the morning show. The Today's show. He lost his job.
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A
Oh, they're engaged now. Amy and tj.
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B
Who's. Who's tj? What's his last.
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A
So they were both.
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B
No, there's another one years ago. He had an. It was. I want to say, like, it wasn't Taye Diggs, was it? Was Taye Diggs ever on?
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A
I don't know.
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B
No, it was. It was a good looking black morning reporter on the Today show years ago, and he.
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A
And what did he get caught doing?
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B
Jersey near Snooki. And like, he was. Ha. He was in a relationship with a woman while his wife was pregnant. And it was very. But he's got. He got it way worse than here and then I think the one who Also that Brandi Glanville, of course, Sheena Shay. That one hit hard.
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A
Like they're still together.
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B
That's what I'm saying. They took the heat way worse than Ariana, for sure. Different levels for different people.
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A
And the thing is, if you're gonna break up a family, you have to stay together forever. That's why, like Eddie Sabrian and Leanne Rimes. It was so wrong what they did. Of course. But, you know, they are together 100 years now. They have a family. Like, maybe it was true love.
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B
Didn't it also happen with. I think it happened with the one who's now with Jason Aldean. No, Ray Donovan, his ex wife is who you're saying.
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A
Lev Schreiber, his ex wife.
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B
Naomi Watts.
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A
Yeah.
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B
She's with that actor. And he. It happened with him, too.
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A
They had an affair.
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B
No. Who's the actor she's with? It's like.
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A
I have no idea.
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B
Billy Crud up or something like. No. Did I make that up? No.
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A
That sounds right.
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B
Is Billy Crud up with Naomi Watts?
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A
And they were together during her marriage to Lev Shriver.
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B
I feel like I'm creating stories that don't exist.
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A
Hold on, I'm cracking up. But there are a lot of examples like that. Like. Like, Jason Aldean left his wife. I believe it was a little bit.
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B
What is it? Billy Crudup. Okay, but was it. Didn't this happen with him and someone Before. It's driving me nuts. The woman from Weeds, like I said, a Marianne.
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A
Mary Kate.
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B
This is like the craziest. Like Kevin Debake. Mary Louise Parker.
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A
Mary Louise Parker.
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B
I think that she. I think that this might have happened to her. I'm mixing stories. And she might have been married to Billy Crudup. I think this happened. Can we, can we track all this? We're on it for later. Let's slow this down. Did Mary Louise Parker. Did she. Was she pregnant and like. And like, with Billy Crudup and he was someone else. I might be making this. And we have to cut it out. We will have to cut it out. But it also did happen with that morning person on the Today show. He lost his career because he had a wife and she was pregnant. It did happen.
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A
Let me ask you a question.
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B
It did. Billy Crudup left his seven month pregnant girlfriend, Mary Lewis Parker in 2003 to pursue a relationship with stage beauty co star Claire Daniel. Am I not good at this? How fucking good at this am I? Okay. How sick is this memory that I don't even know what I'm knowing? Okay, so that was one. And then what's the next one I just said? And then there was someone in the morning show. He was a news reporter in the morning show on, like, NBC. Lost his job. Same thing. His wife was pregnant and then he had an affair with another woman.
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A
Can I ask you a question? What are your thoughts on, like, having professional implications like we just saw with the astronomer thing? Someone, you know, having an issue in their personal life, like having an affair, which, like, really has no bearing on your job. And then that person losing their job because of a personal issue or Bill Clinton. Well, yeah, that feels a little bit more high stakes. And he was doing it at work.
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B
Right.
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A
That's why.
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B
Oh, fair.
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A
At the White House.
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B
Okay.
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A
Like, the astronomer guy was like, you.
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B
Know, living his own, having a fair life. Yeah. You know what? Now that the dust has settled. Yeah. It was just. Everyone was just appalled by the stupidity of it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But yeah, you're right. It should not have bearing on. On his work life. But. But then when those two girls in Newport, Rhode island were like, cursing out a cop and saying, I'm. I'm an ad, I'm an ad. I g. Like that. They. They lost their jobs too. One was at Pepsi, like.
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A
Right.
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B
So I get no, you know what? Business is personal. Who you are at work is who you are not at work.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Who you are in your personal life is who you are in your professional.
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A
Life, would you be hesitant to enter into a business deal with somebody who you knew was actively having an affair? People have said that, like, you know.
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B
No, because it's a, it's a. It's a moral, ethical issue. Like it's who you are at work. Yes.
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A
So you would, you would be hesitant.
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B
Yes. It's an integrity issue.
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A
100.
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B
It's integrity.
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A
That's what people were saying after Astronomer.
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B
And that dirt is going to end up on your. You in some way anyway. You're bringing. It's just like then somehow you'll at some point be like an accessory to secrets. Yeah. We don't need. You don't need. No one needs. No one needs additional stress at work.
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A
I love that.
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B
No one needs additional stress at work.
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A
Bethany, you survived your first Fast five. I feel like we covered every base imaginable. Everything I wanted to talk to you about. I think I did. Thank you so much for being here. Hopefully your first of many trips on the Toast.
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B
Thank you.
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A
We love having you, everyone. I'm sure you already do, but follow Bethany on all forms of social media. That's TikTok, that's Instagram. Listen to her pod. It's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you today and please come back.
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B
Thank you. I had the best time ever.
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A
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B
What the hell was that?
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A
Bye.