The Problematic Gringo: Thursday, May 1st, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast – "The Problematic Gringo"

Episode Details

• Title: The Problematic Gringo
• Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
• Release Date: May 1, 2025

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1. Opening Banter and Daily Updates

Jackie and Claudia kick off the episode with their characteristic light-hearted banter, discussing the onset of May and sharing personal anecdotes about their living spaces in New York City. They delve into topics like balcony usage and the challenges of buying sheds online, highlighting the contrast between fresh air and air conditioning preferences.

• Claudia: "I’ve been spending so much time on my balcony, I literally forgot I had one because I didn’t use it all." [01:36]
• Jackie: "Fresh air is just so underrated." [02:45]

2. Celebrity Relationships and Controversies

a. Tom Cruise and Anna de Armas Helicopter Ride

The hosts delve into the recent sightings of Tom Cruise and Anna de Armas enjoying a helicopter ride in London to celebrate her 37th birthday, highlighting the significant age gap between them (62 vs. 37). They critically analyze the dynamics of their relationship, touching upon Cruise's prominent role in Scientology and expressing skepticism about the authenticity of their romance.

• Claudia: "He doesn't seem like the type to just tolerate some dogs on a helicopter unless he's in love." [21:44]
• Jackie: "I really don't understand what she sees in him. He gives me freaky ass vibes." [21:57]

The conversation also explores the broader implications of Cruise's influence within Scientology and its impact on his relationships, questioning the ethical aspects of such high-profile pairings.

• Claudia: "He is the king of them [Scientologists]." [26:43]
• Jackie: "Scientology is known for making women give birth with their legs chained up." [27:25]

b. Bill Belichick's Viral Interview

Jackie and Claudia discuss Bill Belichick’s recent viral interview where his girlfriend, Jordan, intervened to keep the conversation focused on his new book, "The Art of Winning: Lessons for My Life in Football." They critique the way the interview was edited to portray a false narrative and debate the authenticity of Jordan’s role as both Belichick’s girlfriend and professional advisor.

• Claudia: "Some people are giving an unfair reality of what's going on." [31:03]
• Jackie: "It's so easy to do them dirty." [33:57]

3. Pop Culture and Media Discussions

a. Kylie Jenner and Timothee Chalamet’s Public Relationship

The hosts analyze the public relationship between Kylie Jenner and Timothee Chalamet, especially their courtside kiss at a Lakers game. They discuss the challenges of maintaining privacy in high-profile relationships and speculate on how their partnership might influence upcoming events like the Met Gala.

• Claudia: "They're living without abandon. They're coming out of the shadows." [39:39]
• Jackie: "They're like, step out on a red carpet together at Cannes or Venice." [40:11]

b. Reexamining Classic Films and Characters

Jackie and Claudia engage in a critical discussion about classic films, such as "The Notebook," questioning whether the characters’ relationships were portrayed fairly. They also compare characters from different movies, scrutinizing their motivations and the societal implications of their relationships.

• Claudia: "Love is love. The dynamic between Ali and Noah and their chemistry was undeniable." [44:53]
• Jackie: "It's almost like how Imrule was undocumented and now that he's not, he refuses to live in darkness." [39:47]

4. TV Show Recaps and Critiques

a. "Summer House" Episode Analysis

The hosts provide an in-depth recap of the latest "Summer House" episode, focusing on the dynamics between Jesse, Lexi, and other house members. They critique Jesse’s behavior and his interactions with Sierra, expressing concerns over his maturity and the overall portrayal of relationships within the show.

• Jackie: "Watching him try to explain himself was just mean and dumb." [53:46]
• Claudia: "Lexi was the first one to stand up to a toxic Bravo man." [60:12]

They also discuss the authenticity of the relationships depicted on the show and ponder the impact of reality TV on genuine relationship building.

b. "Nine Perfect Strangers" Season Two Announcement

Jackie and Claudia comment on the announcement of a second season for "Nine Perfect Strangers," reflecting on their disappointment with the first season and expressing skepticism about the show's ability to replicate the success of similar shows like "White Lotus."

• Claudia: "This is really loser. Like, I'm giving this a big L for loser." [53:14]
• Jackie: "It’s set in the snowy Austrian Alps. It’s very wannabe White Lotus." [51:29]

5. Book and Media Recommendations

The hosts touch upon literary topics, discussing the reception of Lucy Score’s books and the integration of smut into contemporary novels. They debate the expectations of different reader demographics and the evolving landscape of romance literature.

• Claudia: "Once you read a lot of smut, you start to see how other authors are trying to inject smut into their books." [07:48]
• Jackie: "Colleen Hoover actually does not write smut." [07:59]

6. Personal Stories and AI Discussions

Jackie shares a personal story about using AI to generate images of their deceased dog, Theo, illustrating the emotional connections facilitated by technology. This segues into a discussion about the capabilities and limitations of AI in replicating personal memories.

• Jackie: "I made an AI image of Theo in heaven. It was seriously emo." [14:17]
• Claudia: "That's a great picture of our sex slave, yes." [14:53]

Conclusion

Jackie and Claudia wrap up the episode with their usual friendly sign-off, encouraging listeners to subscribe and engage with their content across various platforms. They reflect on the day's discussions, reaffirming their commitment to delivering engaging and insightful content to their audience.

• Claudia: "Your mouth will. Thank you." [16:07]
• Jackie: "Thank you so much for listening to The Toast." [66:03]

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Notable Quotes:

• Jackie: "Fresh air is just so underrated." [02:45]
• Claudia: "He is the king of them [Scientologists]." [26:43]
• Jackie: "I really don't understand what she sees in him. He gives me freaky ass vibes." [21:57]
• Claudia: "Love is love. The dynamic between Ali and Noah and their chemistry was undeniable." [44:53]
• Jackie: "It's almost like how Imrule was undocumented and now that he's not, he refuses to live in darkness." [39:47]

This episode of The Toast offers a blend of celebrity gossip, critical media analysis, and personal anecdotes, all delivered with Jackie and Claudia's signature humor and insight. Listeners who enjoy thoughtful yet entertaining discussions on pop culture and media will find this episode particularly engaging.

Transcript

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Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show.

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The best five things you need to know.

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We'll start your day off. Swirly. It's the Toast.

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They sound amazing.

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Welcome back to the Toast and happy Thursday. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

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The tizzity toast.

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Oh, that. We're both in like kind of freaky ass moods this morning. The tizzity toast.

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Tizzity, tizzity. Welcome to the Thirst. Gonna be a great show. You just definitely made me chip beer by letting me know that it's Thursday.

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I know that's like kind of what you guys saw in real time. Me downloading the fact that it's the.

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Latter half of the week and that it's May. May is a gorgeous month. April showers bring May flowers.

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Flowers.

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I feel like no one gets upset that it's May.

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It's all except Justin Timberlake.

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No. Well, he gets excited because like, everybody will like post him without shame today. Whereas there's usually a lot of shame. Unless you're Travis Kelce.

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It's the kind of positive press Justin Timberlake needs.

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Yeah, he'll always have May 1st.

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It's gonna gonna go on. Go on. It's gonna be me.

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And I just feel like that really snuck up on us.

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Love that so much. It's May. It really is a beautiful month. It's been so gorgina vagina expressina in the city recently. I've been like spending so much time on my balcony, I literally forgot I had one because I didn't use it all. Win.

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Yeah.

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Ben went to Home Depot, bought a tulip.

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Don't you have two?

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I do. Like, the other one gets no sun, it has no furniture on it, and we never sit out there.

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There's one's that. The one like in the nook.

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Yeah. Yeah, we never like that one. No. I've actually been thinking of getting a like a shed or something so I could start using it for storage. Like it's just all this empty square footage in my New York City apartment.

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That's insane.

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But I don't know what I could keep out there that would be weatherproof.

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And I just like buying sheds online is a weird experience.

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I didn't say online. I would not buy it online. I remember I'm not buying a shed. I would go to like, you know, a store.

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I ventured into shed buying territory online just cuz I was like, I would love a shed for all the like, outdoor toys that we have, like put them in and then it gets weird.

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Agreed. You never know what's going to come in your shed. So.

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So outdoor toys are just on the lawn.

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That's okay. I think it's better for everyone. But yes, I do slay kind of, you know, have two balconies. But the one that gets the sun and the one that has better views and the one that I have furniture on I've been spending so much time on. Fresh air is just so underrated.

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It's really partial ish.

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And I love air conditioned air. Like that is definitely one of my favorite airs.

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And you're not knocking that. But you can like say a positive thing about fresh air without taking away from your love of air conditioning.

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I also love ceiling fan air. I love all different types. Oh, really?

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Gives me dry eye.

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Oh, yes. Well, there is like a push and a pull. When you sleep under a ceiling fan or any fan.

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I don't mind sleeping under a ceiling fan. My eyes are closed. But if my eyes are open and I see you for what you really are, which is.

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Which is ugly. When you sleep under any sort of fan, you're gonna wake up with dry notes, dry mouth, and your hair is going to be like.

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Yeah. So I'm not a huge ceiling fan person. If in case you anyone was gonna like get me a ceiling fan.

[A]

Jackie, have you ever slept like outside under the stars? Well, yeah. Or like in a tent. Like I've ever slept in the fresh air. You have?

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Yeah, like on teen tour.

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Oh my God. No wonder you went home early from the teen tour. They made you sleep outside.

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Yeah. That was like an experience I was dreading, but I actually wound up enjoying it. That's why I went home. Yeah, the better intense.

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Yeah, I never did it. I don't think I've ever slept under the trees.

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You've never done better intense. And I did on Birthright.

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Like I've done. I've done a couple of organized trips to Israel and I never did the better intense.

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It's the best part. And it's crazy because you think it would be like the most dreadful part. There's you don't shower that night. But like a girl. On my trip of my hair in French braids, I was so fabulous.

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I definitely need to add to my list of things I would like to do. Sleeping outside under the stir stars.

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I think you would hate it.

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Really?

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Well, just because like you're afraid of everything and you're not wrong for that.

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Well, summer house last night when Wes fell asleep in like what looked to Be a really cozy trampoline bed. Maybe I could do that.

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What about the rain? Imagine you got woken up being pelleted by the rain. You would seriously have a heart attack.

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No, and also, there are quite a few elements to. To be aware of in the Hamptons. Deer. Deer ticks.

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Oh, you want to become deer meal.

[A]

Right? Right. A little venison. Like, I. I don't know if maybe I would do that, but I'll. I can't believe you've slept under the stars. And I have it. Like, that's just so crazy.

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Well, sleeping in a tent is actually not under the stars.

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I disagree. It is.

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Well, I did that things. I did that.

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We've got a great show today. We've got the stories, and you would say that they are.

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They are good. A lot of love in the air.

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Love is in the.

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I feel like it's the season, you know, people are feeling happy. Seasonal effectiveness disorder is waning. You want to meet someone. You want to fall in love. And that's definitely what Tom Cruise and Anna de Armas are experiencing.

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Yeah, we'll get into that. We also have Summer House recap. Last night's episode was on last night.

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Yeah, it was. Lots of thoughts.

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Me, too.

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You were sleeping because. I just. I wanted to, like, say one thing to you. Like, offline.

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Yeah. We can talk about it.

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Do you know what it was?

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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I feel like maybe, but I don't. I don't know.

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I'll just say, like, oh, you're.

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You want to communicate with me?

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I'm just gonna text you, like, really quickly. Bruno's here. He just got a fresh groom. Come here, Bruno. Show everyone your new crop. Look at handsome. Diablo.

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No, Diablo. Hey, Brew. Broody Judy. Hey, broody, broody brute.

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That's what I wanted to tell you, not tell you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. We'll get into it in the recap. Yeah. Aside from that, anything new with you since yesteryear?

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Well, let me think about that. Coach Jilla. Woj. No, I've been reading the book for the redheads, the new Lucy score book. And as of yet, I don't know why people are saying it's so bad. Like, okay, the. I think I'm 30% in, but we're. We. We're establishing something like.

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So I did further investigation into my claim that the redhead said that this book was bad. And it turns out that there are redheads saying that this book is bad. And I do believe that the redheads who are saying that this book is bad are Redheads who don't often wean into smut territory. So they're, like, new here. And while maybe they're excited about the smutty parts, they're, like, the actual book. They have higher expectations.

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Literarily understood. No, I know what I'm signing up for, so I can understand why. If they're, like, looking for a Danish choice and then we read this, it's like, you know, the plot isn't that deep and the characters aren't that developed, but that's not where I haven't gotten to any smut yet. But I. I look forward to seeing what Lucy does on that score, because.

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I heard is gonna do a lot.

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I've heard, like, she's one of the greats, right?

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She's in a beacon, a pillar of the community.

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Is she not the number one smut author without reading, like, actual pornography?

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I guess I would include. Yeah. Tessa Bailey, who's this?

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Who would you say is the smuttiest author that you've read that's not, like, you know, the Kama Sutra, right?

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No, I guess it would be Lucy Score. Colleen Hoover. Like, once you get into smut, you realize Colleen Hoover actually does not write smut.

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She's got nothing on these. And once you read a lot of smut, then you start to see how, like, other authors are, like, trying to inject smut into their books. Because it's this. It's the new frontier.

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No, it's kind of like the thing you need if you want your book to be successful.

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But I think you should stay true to yourself.

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Speaking of smut, I'm on the Good Guys podcast today. Both Paige and I, the pregnant good gals and wives.

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Which way does that relate back to smut? I fear the answer.

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So we are both pregnant. And I know you know how babies get made, Jackie.

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Yes.

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There you go. There's your connection. There's your connection. Two couples who have had sex multiple times.

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It only needed one time, even though it actually. All it takes is, like, 50 times, because you've got it.

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All it takes is one time to get pregnant. Let me tell you that. Could it be further from the truth? I don't know anyone who only took one time. And I forget who was. Oh, I think it was Kristen and Luke on the Valley. Like, I actually appreciated them talking about, like, yeah, sex is great, but, like.

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Not really when you're in heat.

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Like, it's not when you're, like, trying for sport. It's actually one of the worst experiences. No.

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And it's so funny. Because like, men, like, they think they can't get enough sex. And it's what I saw a funny reel that was like, you know, there's just never. They always want sex, right? The way they get over it even faster than when that. They hate that. That time period more.

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1,000%. I'm like, Ben, let's do it again, just in case. Because Jackie says the mornings are good. And he's like, you're kidding. You're kidding me. Like, no, no, Ben. Also, like, seriously, I was a big fan of the mornings. I don't know where I heard that it's more effective. Sorry, not a big fan. Like sexually big fan. Like, for more efficacy. Did you tell me that it was better?

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I don't think that I told you that. Because if I think about it, I feel like the evenings are better. It depends on the timing of your.

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You know, I don't know where I heard it. So, like, when we were going, I was like, the next morning, I'm like, let's just do it just in case, you know?

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Yeah, well, that's just everything. Like, let's just do it just in case. Like, this could be the one.

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You would have thought I was asking my husband, like, seriously, to like, join the army. He was like, you're kidding. Like, get over here.

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A couple lights.

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I realized, oh, my God, are you sitting without lights?

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My main light was on, but I just saw like up there. So look at me.

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Look at you text.

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And then there was light.

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That's beautiful.

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Yeah.

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So I do.

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Hopefully we don't clip anything from previous.

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It hasn't been that funny. Don't worry.

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I don't think she had a clip worthy moment.

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The show can like officially start now. I finished the pit.

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Okay.

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Which I enjoyed immensely, but was super underwhelmed by the ending. And I know what people are gonna say. Like, I just know you didn't get it. No, there was nothing to get.

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Like the shift, you get it because you don't work in the medical field.

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So the shift just ends. And like, they're all just depressed, obviously. Cause they, like, you know, worked a 14 hour terrible shift where people died. Um, and they all just like go their separate ways to come back again tomorrow. Right. And I know what people are gonna say. Well, that's what it's really like when you work in an emergency room. No, and I get it. Like, that's great that they were accurate, but I'm watching a television show and I was like, so what did I just watch? Like, I Didn't understand, entertainment wise. Like, I get it. And it's not that I didn't like it, because I can't relate to it. I just. And I'm sure if you're working in an emergency room, you probably felt really seen, like, all this adrenaline, right? You're on this high, you're saving lives, people are dying. Coming here, coming there. And then you just, like, go home to your apartment. It's just like, okay, what did you want them?

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How did you want them to end it? Like, what would have been something.

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I don't know, like drama. Like, interpersonal drama.

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Something I understand. But the way that you're describing it, like, I understand what they're doing.

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Yeah, no, they're trying to really replicate the whole season. You literally live through a shift in the emergency room, and so the ending is going to end how a normal shift ends. And I was just bored by the end. That's it. I liked everything else about the show.

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Okay, well, that's like a good endorsement if you only had one critique. No.

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And then Ben was saying, like, this particular emergency room is, like, really understaffed, underfunded under everything, and overwhelmed with people. Like, there's never not a hundred people in the waiting room, and most of them are there for, like, little things, you know, not life threatening. And Ben was like, now I feel bad. Like, the last time I went to the emergency room, and it was when he cut his thumb off making me dinner.

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But that's like, he should go.

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What?

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He shouldn't go?

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No. And she cauterized the out of that. And, you know, he doesn't have a scar.

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Damn.

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And then we were wondering, is she a resident?

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Well, you should.

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He went to Cornell. I don't know if Cornell is teaching hospital.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, so I'm just kind of like, an expert now.

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That's good.

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I need a tourniquet and an IO in trauma room one asap.

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Okay. I'm older.

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Should we dive into the stories?

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Just feels like we're dilly dallying for the sake of dallying.

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You know, I wasn't. There was no dallying on my part with.

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Okay. She's foisting the dallying on me.

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Yeah. Like, it was a little bit of dallying from you, but, like, that's what we do. We dilly and we dally. Without further ado. Da do that here.

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Where are you? Theo is a sex slave. Oh, I. We were talking about this on the Patreon So yesterday, Jack and I recorded an episode for Patreon just doing more pop culture hot takes. And we were talking about AI generated images on chat gbt. And I finally figured out somebody I had upgraded my chat GBT I paid 20amonth now for. Should file that as a business expense. Just need to write that down. So I was making so many AI generated images last night, and I was saying the first time I wanted to make an AI image that I couldn't figure out how to do was when Theo died. I wanted to make a picture of. Of Theo in heaven. Like tell AI like my cavalier died. He's in heaven. Like, can you show me what he looks like?

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Yeah.

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And so first thing I did after I paid 19.99 was make it. It was seriously emo. Like I fell in love.

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Can you send it to me?

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Yeah. You want it right now?

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Yeah, I do.

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Chadoo. You do the doo doo doo doo doo.

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Let's see. Where's my.

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Oh man, it's. It's really, really cute. You're gonna love it. Sent.

[B]

Did you share a photo of him?

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Yes, they asked for a photo of the dog. That's the one. Isn't that cute? That's the one thing AI is not great at. It's like replicating faces, you know? Isn't that a great picture of our. Our sex slave do. Yeah.

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Have AI make him photo of him as a sex slave.

[A]

No, no Romeo. And should make this your.

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Your phone background.

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I know, it's so cute, but I don't want to be depressed every time I open my phone. Oh, I know.

[B]

You have to post this.

[A]

Okay, I'll share it on. On our Instagram.

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Just post it on your story. So like everyone, if you're listening to this, go to Claudia's story and then.

[A]

Follow you want to post it right now. But they want to understand cuz you're crazy. Follow me too. Follow me too.

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Just post it. Like when we rap and then people catch up, you know?

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Yeah, for sure.

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Our first story. Love is in the air. Tom Cruise and Anna de Armas enjoy a helicopter ride before a swanky birthday dinner in London. So these people just love flying. We always are. Spotting them.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

At the helipad, at the hanger, Brian would call them.

[A]

They sound like AV geeks.

[B]

And they're also. Well, he definitely is. I feel like that's.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Part of his, like, stick. Yeah, right.

[B]

Like, planes, trains, and automobiles and my little circles.

[A]

And let's, like, strap himself to, like, different.

[B]

Strap them.

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

They were spotted enjoying a helicopter ride together as they celebrated her 37th birthday, where she turned 37. And he is 62. In images obtained by TMZ.

[A]

She was yucky.

[B]

I just need, like, those are relevant facts this, by the way.

[A]

No one's clowning on you. We needed those facts. Yeah.

[B]

I'm sure I reminded you last time, but, like, as we set the table for this, 37, 62. The ages are pertinent to the meal.

[A]

Yeah. Now, I don't think they're pertinent in a sense that there's anything unethical. It's just gross.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But she's almost 40. She can make her own decisions.

[B]

Yeah. And I would just say, like, I don't think he's your average 62. No.

[A]

Like we said, he straps himself to different planes, trains, and automobiles.

[B]

Yeah. So they are very much dating, like, now we can say that. They were also seen with her two dogs in tow. He doesn't seem like the type to just tolerate, like, some dogs on a helicopter. Unless he's in love, you know?

[A]

Yeah. He could be. Like, they're really scratching at the leather.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're shedding.

[A]

Yeah. Right. No, he doesn't seem, like, chill about.

[B]

Pets at all, but he's in love with Mr. Armas, and so he's gonna be chill about it.

[A]

So, like, I get why he's in love with Mr. Armas. Right. She's very beautiful, like, and young and sprightly. I really don't understand what she sees in him. Like, he. I'm sorry, is not currently attractive, in my opinion. He's obviously, like, super toxic, even beyond, like, the Scientology of it all. I feel like even him on, like, A personality level. The fact that he's, like, so obsessed with his, like, stunts and being young, like, he just gives me, like, freaky ass. Annoying ass vibes. Like, he would wake us up so early with, like, green juice and, like, hikes.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like I always wind up. Well, because you're so anti him.

[A]

You do always wind up defending Tom Cruise. I'm glad you could acknowledge your bias.

[B]

Any degree of less anti that I am makes me seem pro, and I'm not pro. But I can see why, like, he would be desirable for her.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Maybe not, like, looks wise. Yeah, he's a little old, but plenty of beautiful girls date old rich men, and we're not. I mean, he's so ugly and old.

[A]

She dated Ben Affleck. And I didn't say that. I thought that was gross or yucky. I think Ben Affleck is very handsome. Ben Affleck is also doing a lot of podcasts. Have you seen he was on the Ovan?

[B]

Yeah. What is he talking about?

[A]

He has a new movie. It's a sequel to another movie that I didn't see. Something. Something too. And he's also on New Heights next week.

[B]

Oh, cool.

[A]

Or maybe it came out already. I love that, like, when people have a big project now, they're literally just doing podcasts.

[B]

Yeah. Very cool.

[A]

So all that to say. I didn't say that. When Adage Armist dated Ben Affleck. Like, I didn't think that was younger.

[B]

No. And I know that you also hate Tom Cruise.

[A]

I do, and I hate Tom Cruise.

[B]

But, like, for Anna de Armas, like, he is an A list Hollywood star. He's very successful. Her career is floundering a little bit like it is. This is a good match. When they step out on a red carpet together at a Cannes or Venice, like, that is an A list couple that she is now a part of, I guess.

[A]

But because it's so obviously, like, a strategic move for her. Like, I just can't see her actually being in love with this man for a multitude of reasons.

[B]

By the way, the word love didn't leave my mouth.

[A]

It makes me think less of her. Because if you're going to be in one of these, like, fake PR relationships, there has to be, like, a little bit of doubt from people being like, is this real? Is it not real? This is so clearly not real, you know?

[B]

Well, I think you can love a lot of things. You can love fame and fortune and.

[A]

And helicopters.

[B]

And if Tom provides the things that you love, ergo, you love Tom, do you think that.

[A]

Is it, like, in Scientology, like, another religion where, like, you date within your religion? I could see Tom. He's so. Not every person is, like, so invested in their own religion, but, like, he is, like, the president of his religious church.

[B]

Like, that's a good question.

[A]

She's not.

[B]

Maybe it's like, if it gets to the level of marriage, she would have.

[A]

To convert, in which I would say, like, just take a look at Katie Holmes. Have a con. Sit down. Have a convo with Katie. Okay. Before you do any of that, Anna De Armas.

[B]

I don't think Anna De Armas will marry Tom Cruise. I don't think she'll take it that far.

[A]

I don't know. Like, these roles are hard to get, and the women, the new girls are younger and hotter, and everyone. It's like a very toxic environment to be, like, a young, hot starlet in Hollywood. You're in one day, you're out the next. Next thing you know, you're dating Tom Cruise just to get by.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's devastating for women. Seriously.

[B]

It is hard.

[A]

Where are. Where are the feminists?

[B]

When I think of, like, women that I would feel sorry for as they age out of fabulous roles, like, I don't think of her because I think she's. I think she's so beautiful, and I think she has what it takes. She's just, like, gone through a.

[A]

A bit of a rough patch. Yeah. And I do think that people are enormously relieved that the man she was dating prior is no longer her boyfriend, even though Tom Cruise is not much better. But, you know, we were talking about last week how he's, like, a very contra. Comes from a very controversial political family, and her dating him was kind of like a. Kind of like a stab in the face to her culture.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To her people. So I think the tostadas, specifically the Cubana tostadas, are relieved that she's just dating this gringo now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But this gringo is hella problematic as well.

[B]

And I think, like, perhaps for them, like, he's just like a Hollywood movie star. And he's not like, Scientology bad. Like, they don't know him that well. He's just like Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible. Cool.

[A]

And there are lots. There are lots of celebs. Have fun. There are lots of celebrities that are involved in the church to varying degrees, and I don't think I would regard them all equally. Like. So, yes, S. Tom Cruz is a Scientologist, but he's also, like, the number one guy in Scientology. He's like, the biggest funder. He brings other celebrities in. He's, like, the liaison. He is a huge leader. He's not just a member of the church. You know, he's part of. I'm sure he's like, a chairman or something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's more than just being a Scientologist.

[B]

Yeah. He's the king of them.

[A]

He is the king of them.

[B]

And some others are the sorry people.

[A]

Right. Who are, like, you actually feel bad for because they just are being, like, indoctrinated into a cult. Like, Tom is at the top. You know, he's culpable.

[B]

Yeah. But no, some of them are very successful. And, like, they. They're grown people. Like Elizabeth Olsen.

[A]

No, stop. Elizabeth Moss, you have seriously slandered. I don't know why Elizabeth Olsen doesn't sue us.

[B]

Peggy Olsen.

[A]

Peggy Olsen, Elizabeth Moss. Handmaid's Tale, Mad Men. She is a big Scientology swirl.

[B]

And, like, she gets, like, press and. And media interviews, and, like, nobody talks about it the way they talk about Tom.

[A]

It does come up every time. She is promoting Handmaid's Tale.

[B]

Well, isn't that a little on the nose?

[A]

Yeah. You know, Scientology is known for, like, making women give birth with, like, their legs chained up. Like, really terrible for women. And the Handmaid's Tale has a lot of, like, you know, terrible for women vibes, too. So it's a little. It's a little on the nose. Yeah. So it comes up, then. Yes.

[B]

Got it. Okay. Are you ready for our next story?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Bill Belichick releases a statement after his interview with his girlfriend Jordan went very viral. So I learned a lot from the statement that he released. First of all, did you know that he's a coach for the UNC Tar Heels? That he's a college football coach? Right now? He's in his first year.

[A]

Actively.

[B]

Actively. Because the statement came from University of North Carolina. They said, our coach released a statements. Like, that's what he's doing. It's weird here.

[A]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah. Like, is that not weird? Who knows?

[A]

Weird.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. He said. This is what he said. I'm gonna give it space so that we can evaluate. Because he said, I agree.

[A]

I read it, and I literally didn't understand it.

[B]

He said. I agreed to speak with CBS this Morning to promote my new book, the Art of Winning Lessons for My Life in Football. Prior to this interview, I clearly communicated with my publicist at Simon and Schuster that any promotional interviews I participated in would agree to focus solely on the contents of the book. I'm sure he had like red lines around his relationship. And I feel like anytime you do an interview, like you request that you not speak about things that you don't want to speak.

[A]

Right. The publication has no. They don't have responsibility, obligation, but it's.

[B]

Like what's done, you know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Most of the time I feel like it's just like a verbal agreement, like you're not here to expose me. Like we're talking about my book. Yeah, that's what he thought he was going into. Sometimes, like you could people push it.

[A]

If there's a big thing going on, like in your life and you know, the expectation is that you're not supposed to talk about it at all. I feel like most outlets, like, actually wouldn't agree to that, but they would agree to like one pre approved question.

[B]

Right. They might not agree to it, but to agree like, okay, we won't talk about those things and then bring it up is a real curveball.

[A]

CBS said, we said no such thing.

[B]

Okay, well, this is what he said. Unfortunately, that expectation was not honored. During the interview. I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced and I repeatedly expressed to the reporter Tony, and the producers that I preferred to keep the conversation centered or on the book. After this occurred several times, Jordan, with whom I share both a personal and professional relationship, stepped in to reiterate that point. To help refocus the discussion, she was not deflecting any specific question or topic, but simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed on track. Some of the clips make it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met. But we have been open about the fact that Jordan and I met on a flight to Palm beach in 2021. The final 8 minute segment does not reflect the productive 35 minute conversation we had, which covered a wide range of topics related to my career. Instead, it presents selectively edited clips and stills from just a few minutes of the interviews to suggest a false narrative that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation, which is simply not true.

[A]

Okay. I think that two things can be true, Right. I do think Jordan was attempting to control the conversation. Like, I saw what I saw and like now, now I'm on to her completely. Hi, Bill Belichick. Is this your first time in media? Like, this is what they do. You sit down for 35 minutes, you know the segment's not going to be 35 minutes and you know they're going to take what they want. So you have to, like, give them the least amount of what's what I'M looking for, like, tea or like, leads to go on. Like, you have to behave. And I hate when people act like this is their first day on planet Earth. Like, this is what the media does. Like, you don't like it, go on a podcast and sit and talk for two hours and the whole thing won't.

[B]

Be cut, not edited. Yeah, but the way that he describes it, and I do still think, like, Jordan is taking advantage of man and the fact that he's like, coaching college football after winning eight Super Bowls, like, I'm confused.

[A]

I'm shocked. Yeah, but she's now has a man. She has an $8 million real estate portfolio. Like, he needs to work.

[B]

I. Yes, I saw that. However, I do think that they painted a little bit of a picture where like, she. So first of all, he's saying that they work together too. Like, she does his PR and social media. So, like, she was acting the way a publicist would act. Also, Gronk and Julian Edelman did a podcast together talking about this. And I thought they would be like, you know, everyone else, like, clowning on clowning. But no, they said Julian Edelman said people are giving an unfair reality of what's going on. He said she was jumping into that conversation during the interview. Just like any PR person would jump in when there's an unnecessary question that they probably didn't go over in the pre production meeting. That's true. He said he heard Jordan is playing the role of Bill's advisor and handling all of his business inquiries and social media platforms. He said, when you look at this situation and you say, oh, this is his girlfriend jumping in, I think that's unfair. I think she's actually working with Coach Belichick in the professional world. And she probably went and said, hey, no, we're not doing that. And then, then he said, doesn't that always happen whenever you do an interview? Do you not have a representative there? Gronk agreed with his former teammates reasoning and claimed that no one has put the. The ex cheerleaders profession, Jordan's role in Bill's life hand in hand together. Like, people are missing the professional piece. And then if you think about her acting as his PR representative, what she.

[A]

Did is well within the bounds of her job.

[B]

What they do, it's just newsworthy because she's the girlfriend and she's doing it. So now we see it.

[A]

But she's 50 years younger than him.

[B]

If she was just an unnamed individual being like, we're not talking about that, that wouldn't be newsworthy. Me? No.

[A]

Even though I do love when publications keep in when publicists chime in. Like when the New Yorker was interviewing Ben Platt and just asked about the fact that like he's only had, like he's super talented but like, you know, your dad's a big time producer and that's why you are where you are. And like literally he wouldn't even acknowledge it. That just made him look like a big time loser. But the New York Magazine or New Yorker, whoever it was, kept in the fact that his publicist chimed in. I loved that. So, yes, it is common for a position, a person in that position, whether it's a publicist or a brand manager, to chime in. But I think the fact that she's his publicist or whatever advisor they said, I think that's crazy. And I also, it's so funny. I feel like people tried to make me care about Bill Belichick and his 5 year old girlfriend for a couple of like months now. Every time they posted an Instagram, it was newsworthy and I'm like, why do I give a fuck? I don't.

[B]

I thought it was just that he was dating someone like so young and like, how gross is a sturdy old man, like dating a 21 year old?

[A]

And I didn't care about Bill Belichick before, so I just didn't think it was worth getting invested in. Now it's all I think about. This particular clip has totally changed everything for me and I do still have suspicions. Yes, her being an official team member for him is better.

[B]

Yeah. I think the interview I have, I'm now on alert and there's definitely like red flags. American greed. Stacy, look into this.

[A]

Jen Shaw.

[B]

But I do think CBS this Morning, like did them really dirty.

[A]

Yes, yes, they were looking, but it's so easy to do them dirty. Like people are really interested in them and they're not hiding. They're like out in the open.

[B]

Yeah. And the shirt, which like, apparently someone said like, he always wears shirts with holes, that's just not how I want to be known.

[A]

Not only that, but get a new shirt.

[B]

Yeah. What about a shirt without holes?

[A]

There are people who have like no choice but to wear holes in their shirts, you know? Yeah. And here you are like big time magazine editor, buy a shirt. Your girlfriend has an eight million dollar real estate portfolio. That's like a new story that came out about her. People are looking into her fights. Yeah. And she's 24. She was in high school like literally five years ago. So it's Definitely impressive. And I think a lot of people are wondering how.

[B]

Yeah, she's definitely taking the old man's money.

[A]

It's giving heartbreakers.

[B]

You can rely on the old man's money.

[A]

Bill Belichick is Gene Hackman.

[B]

I feel like vomiting.

[A]

Yeah. She's Sigourney Weaver.

[B]

Except he seems in on it. I feel like he's like, listen, take my money. Do it. Work for me. Spread them. Like we're in it together.

[A]

Yeah, I do. Like, I have a lot of concerns. I do. I'm sorry for Bill. Yeah.

[B]

But also, unless he's suffering in a mental capacity, like, that is a grown man making his own decisions.

[A]

He is in his 70s. Like, I don't even know.

[B]

He could be suffering in a mental capacity, but, like, that's not even been mentioned.

[A]

No. He wrote Tom Girardi.

[B]

He wrote a book.

[A]

Right. How incapacitated could he be?

[B]

Let's not let that. And, you know, I'm sure he's bummed that the book's sort of taken a back seat to all the drama.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't even know that that interview was in service of a book. Like, I just was obsessed with the.

[B]

Clips of the acknowledgments where he said, jordan is my muse and my advisor. But it's called the Art of Winning. I think it's on stands now.

[A]

Pick it up at a local bookstore.

[B]

So Jordan could get another house. Like, why don't you help out your local heartbreaker?

[A]

Your local Sigourney?

[B]

She's a gen. Oh, no, she's Sigourney. Jennifer Love Hewitt had a heart.

[A]

Yeah. No, she had, like, a moral conflict.

[B]

But don't you feel like that's interesting about Gronk and Julian Edelman? That they did?

[A]

Yeah. Speaks very well of Bill Belichick, that.

[B]

They'Re not like Coach Belichick. It's like, when you have a teacher.

[A]

Yeah. You just can't help but call them. Like, Mr. Levine.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Even though he's like, I'm dead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. That's the latest there. And then a little more sports news, because Kylie Jenner and Timothee Chalamet shared a courtside kiss on a loved up date night at the Lakers game.

[A]

They're so touchy. It's really crazy. Like, every time I see pictures and videos of them irl, I'm like, oh, they're the PDA couple, like, who's making out in front of your locker, and you need them to move so you can get your books. Yeah.

[B]

But they're so cool that you can't ask them. I. And so you have to go to class without your books and get to 10.

[A]

So you'll just get an F. Yeah. She looked fabulous. Like, courtside is. It's like going. There are a couple. I feel like courtside is very public. Right. You know that if you go, there's lots of photos. It's also NBA playoffs, so, like, all eyes are on you. And I feel like a lot of celebrities actually don't go on dates courtside because of the public element of it. Even though it's, like, a fun thing to do sometimes. Maybe they'll go to a suite. You get, like, worse photos of them in a suite.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. There's like a live cam on you when you're courtside. The whole stadium is taking videos of you because they're also taking videos of the players. And you're in the background.

[A]

You're right there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think a lot about the pictures of Carly Claus and Taylor Swift drinking beers and black turtlenecks at the Knicks game, like, how many photos we got of them just doing that, like. And nobody. Nobody goes. Like, celebrities go all the time, but they don't go on dates. Yeah. And so this was a choice, a public choice, and I find that very interesting.

[B]

And also for the Met Gala, it's.

[A]

Really crazy because Timothy Chalamet, like, is a big Knicks fan. He was just. He's been out, like, almost all the Knicks playoff games, so it's just kind of like traitorous energy. But he did just buy a house in LA to be closer to Kylie and Stormy, so maybe I think he's.

[B]

Trying to get into her interests.

[A]

What does this mean for the Met Gala? Yeah, we are underratedly three, four days out from the Met Gala. All the fake guest lists have started to.

[B]

But they're not fake because there's, like, the obvious people who go to the Met.

[A]

Kim Kardashian, Cara Delevingne, Lala Anthony, like, yeah, she works for Vogue now. She's always at the top of the carpet.

[B]

Billy Eilish. Yes.

[A]

I don't think it's so crazy to say that they would go together, although, especially. Have they walked a carpet together? No, but they go to a lot of events together, but they arrive separately.

[B]

But, like, all the events. A lot of the events that they've gone to together have been for Timothy's work. And I think Kylie doesn't want to take away from that. And she really just shows up as, like, Timothy sees plus one and his support system and doesn't want to, like, walk the red carpet with him. I think the Met Gala is, like, so neutral. It's like they're both invited on their own. Neither of them are there to, like, promote any one thing. This is the thing that they can do together as the first time, because the first one's gonna get the most attention.

[A]

I won't be surprised either way. If they walk it together, I think it's the perfect time. If they don't, I will respect the fact that they're still keeping an element of privacy to their relationship, even though it does feel like they keep. You go to Coachella, you know, everyone's gonna see you. You go to Laker game courtside. Like, it feels like they're going to public places, knowing what that entails.

[B]

They're living without abandon. They're coming out of the shadows.

[A]

Yes. They're like. It's almost like how Imrule was undocumented and now that he's not, like, he refuses to live in darkness.

[B]

Yeah. So maybe that's what happened here.

[A]

Yeah, maybe.

[B]

I'm excited for the Met Gala alert for that. Yeah. That will be fun.

[A]

It's always, like, an you. You will love it. Even though, like, don't leave your house that day in the city. It's the worst fucking time to be, like, out and about.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because there's just gridlock everywhere.

[B]

At least it's in service of. Of greatness.

[A]

Fabulousness. Yeah. Not like loser dumb.

[B]

Not like the U.N. yeah, right.

[A]

So that'll be fun. Monday's episode.

[B]

Well, Tuesday's episode, and Wednesday for the after parties.

[A]

Probably Thursday. Friday, too.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story? Number four.

[A]

Am I. I feel like I'm not.

[B]

I feel like you're not. Why would you be?

[A]

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That's how you got into it. I forced you to wear when we were going to dinner. And like, so you wanted to look nice, but you wanted to be comfortable. Nothing to tight on your waist. And I said, coach de La Wo.

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Rodeo. Did he sleep?

[A]

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[B]

Thank you turd and branch.

[A]

What can I say except you're welcome.

[B]

Our fourth story actually relates to something that we were talking about on Patreon yesterday. So I'll just brief everyone because we were talking about the movie the Notebook and someone shared a hot take that they thought that Ali should have ended up with James Marsden's character. Now we discussed that, you and I, we shared a lot of our thoughts. And in coincidentally, James Marsden is answering the Notebook fans burning question. Should Ally have ended up with Lon or Noah?

[A]

What? Were we just comparing Ally and Noah.

[B]

To Camilla and Charles?

[A]

Right. Like when we saw it in the Notebook, we loved it. Like, yes, she left the good man Savannah, but it wasn't her man. And if you're gonna empower that, like you also have to empower Prince Charles for choosing Camilla Parker Bowles. And yeah, they cheated. So did Ally and Noah.

[B]

Yeah. So he did an interview with People and he is setting the record straight on whether or not he believes there should be justice for law. And like what are the OD odds? I.

[A]

What are the odds? And I'm glad that like people are thinking critically about the Notebook because he was a good man. Yeah, like you were what we were saying on the Patreon. It's like it would have been easier if he was like this dick, right? No. Oh, he was rich. Oh, he loved her. The family loved him. Let me get you this ring. Let me take you dancing. Let me buy this house. Let me do anything for You. And she just didn't want it. Can't relate. Can't relate.

[B]

So he said, you know, it's funny. I hear a lot of people nowadays have very kindly come up to me and say, Lon was the whole package. You were like this wealthy guy, and you treated her right and you trusted her, and it was a healthy relationship. And Ali and Noah were in an unhealthy, toxic relationship. While I see that and I understand it, he said, I mean, love is love. The dynamic between Ali and Noah and their chemistry was undeniable. And so I think, yeah, she should have ended up with Noah. That kind of love in that movie can be fiery, and it can still be the right thing, the right person to be with. But he's confident that somewhere out there in another fictional universe, Lon has found a happy ending.

[A]

Yes. Yes. Lon was really open to love.

[B]

Yeah. He said, not that Lon is a bad guy. He's a really good guy, but there's another lady out there for him. I'm sure that's very happy. Yeah. It's like, if Noah didn't marry Ally, he wouldn't have married anyone. Like, anyone else could have made it work with, like, a lot of women because he. He was a very, like. You know, it's like, there's a pot for every lid, but some lids work with many pots, and some lids only work with one pot. That's.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

That's always how I think about that all the time with, like, people even that I know. Like, they're the sort of pot that, like, can work with a lot of.

[A]

Find another cover.

[B]

But then you have sometimes that kooky pot that goes with its kooky lid.

[A]

That you, like, got at a thrift store. Yeah.

[B]

That you couldn't just put any lid on.

[A]

It's, like, one of the best analogies you've ever made. I completely agree. I also really respect James Marsden's answer. Like, if he had said, like, yeah, like, we. It would have disrupted, like, the legacy of Valiants. Yeah. He has to. I think part of being an integral character in, like, an iconic film is you have to sort of, like, respect the legacy of it. Maybe he doesn't feel this way. Maybe he does. But if you then say, like, yeah, I agree with everyone. Like, no, you have to leave the movie as, Is it true?

[B]

And the fact that Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling fell in love on the set.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, if she had wound up with James, it wouldn't have felt as real.

[A]

Yeah. No. And the thing was, was that, like, it's a little idyllic. Right. She loved Noah more. But marriages and relationships are about a lot of things. Love being one of them. And I do believe that she loved Lon not as much and as fiery and as passionately as she loved Noah. But it would have been a good marriage for a lot of reasons, including the fact that she did like him. Yeah, she didn't like him as much as she liked Noah. Like, there were other people she liked more. But you don't always marry, like, the fiery guy. Like, you marry the good guy, the good husband, the father, the responsible. There are other things. So, yes, it's a movie, so it's more like, fantastical. If I'm applying it to, like, real life and I'm giving advice to my girlfriends, I'm like, no, the crazy man with the beard who lives in the woods. It's not your guy. Yeah, it's not your guy.

[B]

The stable guy who loves you. There's a lot of things on which a marriage can be built. And she did love James Marsden a bit. It's a good place to start. But it's a movie that felt like she couldn't stand him.

[A]

It was a movie. Correct. So important to remember when discussing.

[B]

But it's funny that this, like, keeps coming up.

[A]

Yeah. And this is like a movie trope that I find, like, not annoying. Yet sometimes people will re examine old movies. There was room on the door for Jack and it's like, if I take that conversation one more time, I'm blow my brains out.

[B]

Like, so true. I feel like we are getting to a place though, of, like, the counterculture of being like, Ellie should have ended up with lawn.

[A]

Right? No. But right now the conversation doesn't bother me yet.

[B]

However, overall, if people are saying that, that's like people advocating for making, like, sensible choices.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And I like that trend.

[A]

I like. We're also re examining Sharpe Evans's role as villain in High School Musical, and maybe she was unfairly painted as such. Gabriella was kind of a pick me, annoying ass.

[B]

Yeah. But Sharpay was villainous. I've watched it back, like, through the lens of justice for Sharpe.

[A]

She takes it too far a couple times.

[B]

The first movie, like, it was her theater club and like, these cool kids came in, they pushed her out because, honestly, she just wasn't talented enough, so she should have picked a new hobby. But the second movie, she was like, really lauding, like, her wealth over and.

[A]

She was being like, evil and.

[B]

Yeah, she was being like, just Like a wealthy prick. And that's the. Like, she was being.

[A]

She was being like, classes.

[B]

She was being classes.

[A]

She was like, you're the staff and I'm the guest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, seriously, dude, that's your classmate.

[B]

Classist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we have had this conversation many times. Re examining the villain arc of one Gaston in Beauty and the Beast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, he definitely wasn't a perfect person. But let Bell. She wasn't either.

[B]

She wasn't either. She drove him to madness, I'll say that.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, who wouldn't want to, like, destroy Maurice at the end of the movie?

[A]

No, I do. I want to lock up.

[B]

That's what he did. He, like, locked up Marie so that he could.

[A]

Maurice was, like, kind of crazy. He was like the village crazy person.

[B]

Yeah. No, when he locked up Maurice, I'm like, finally.

[A]

I was like, oh, you know what? Maybe you're not such a bad guy.

[B]

Yeah. But he was wrong for wanting to kill the Beast. But he didn't know that the Beast was a good man. Like, he just saw there's a beast and he has this girl. Like, girl.

[A]

Are you trying to rescue the girl? Like, no. He was deeply misunderstood and also, like.

[B]

He was just looking at it. And yes. It wasn't what he. What it seemed that they were, like, falling in love and the Beast was actually a man. But I could see why he thought things were that way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So just something.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's. It's important to reevaluate age old classics.

[B]

Are you ready for our. For the final story?

[A]

Is it our fifth and final story that's going to lead into the TV.

[B]

Recap in a way because it is some TV news. Two bits of news. First of all, Nine Perfect Strangers is getting a season two.

[A]

Okay. I saw people sharing the poster for Nine Perfect Strangers. I'm like, you guys, that show came out three years ago.

[B]

Well, no, it's getting a season two, even though it's based on a book. And the season one was so horrible. I actually. Let me just tell you, I did not read the book so that I could watch the show because I learned. And it's Leanne Moriarty. I love her books. And I, like, would have read it, but I was like, oh, the show is coming out. I want to like the show. I'm just gonna watch a show. Couldn't even finish the show. It was so bad. Now it's getting a season two and the cast is, like, star studded here. You want to hear it?

[A]

So is it, like A White Lotus where people come to this retreat. So none of the characters from season one. So none of the characters from season one besides Nicole Kidman.

[B]

Correct. Because it's her retreat. She plays Masha. And now there's a new crop of guests who are signing up for her transformative and disturbing retreat.

[A]

Okay, so it's very wannabe White Lotus.

[B]

Yeah. This is set in the snowy Austrian Alps. Nine Perfect Strangers. Season two will follow a group of people who have signed up for a multi day wellness retreat under the guidance of Russian guru Nicole Kidman, who uses psychedelic therapy to heal her guests. So here. Who is. Who's in it that you would know? Here's a person's face that I recognize. Murray Bartlett. Oh, he played season one. White Lotus. The concierge who. Spoiler alert, dies. Who poops in the mustache.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, he's.

[B]

He's in it. Annie Murphy from Schitt's Creek. Oh, very exciting. Christine Baranski from Gilded Age. You know her?

[A]

Who does she play?

[B]

A guest.

[A]

Victoria in Gilded Age.

[B]

One of the aunties. Not Cynthia Nixon. The other one.

[A]

Oh, the older woman.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Queen.

[B]

Queen. Dolly De Leon. I'm not familiar. Macy Richardson. Sellers. Not familiar. King Princess. Not familiar.

[A]

You don't know King Princess? No, she's like a singer.

[B]

Oh, cool. Congrats. King Henry Golding. Crazy rich Asians.

[A]

Handsome Mark.

[B]

Strong family. Fuchi.

[A]

That's so weird that we were talking about him not yesterday and now he's.

[B]

True. But we are always talking about him, so it's.

[A]

No, we're not. No, we are not. Jackie.

[B]

We're not.

[A]

We are not. We are not.

[B]

Lena Olin. I don't know her. And that's all.

[A]

This kind of seems like really losery, like, to just be replicating the White Lotus. And it's like Nicole Kidman. It's Hulu. And they're even casting the guy from White Lotus. Like, this is really lame.

[B]

Especially when the first season was unwatchable.

[A]

This is really loser. Like, I'm giving this a big L for loser.

[B]

Right of time for Weenie.

[A]

Like, actually, it's a contender for Weenie of the Week. That's how loser it is.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Let's dive into our TV recap. Thursdays are Summer House days. Last night was the episode of Summer House that I personally just, like, kind of been waiting for. It was like part two of the shift, and it was another great episode for Lexi, another terrible episode for Jesse. There were, like, a couple of moments where I, like, actually, I got the ick from Jesse Right. Like, watching him try to explain himself when he said that, he, you know, only said that thing to Sierra to make her feel better. Like, that was just mean and dumb.

[B]

Like, I think he was. I don't know. I'd love to know in his heart of hearts why he said that thing to Sierra. Like, was it because that's how he felt and he got carried away in the conversation. And sometimes you just, like, say something in the moment that, like, feels good, but then you, like, realize later, like, oh, that would have been disrespectful to Lexi if she heard that. Whatever. And for that to be his excuse, like, I said it to make you feel better was incredibly a stupid calculation because he just. I'm just rude because we know it's not true, and it makes him look like an idiot.

[A]

Agreed. Another big, low moment for Jesse was when he's the next morning in the bedroom with Wes being like, now I know how you felt. Like two losers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's like, just apologize.

[B]

Like, he follows the west playbook and then says, now I know how you felt. Like, that's because you did what he did.

[A]

And they're both acting like they're being unfairly villainized when, like, no, you both did that shit. Now, west, like, I'm over it. But you did do that shit to Sierra.

[B]

It's true. And the only thing I'll say about Jesse is. And he's like, totally a shit. There's. Lexi seems to be thinking that, like, he intentionally made her look crazy to the house.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And made, like, love bombed her.

[A]

And that's just how it shook out. It wasn't this, like, strategy.

[B]

I don't think it was a strategy. I think that when he was with her, he just, like. It's kind of different in a relationship and a lot more, like, lovey and attached than he lets onto his. His friends. And then to his friends, like, he wants to act cool. And I think he was, like, saying things that were probably on his mind, but, like, he didn't have the foresight to be. Like, if I say that they might think this of her, and she makes her look like this, and it makes her look bad. And it's funny because now I'm getting the sense that Lexi has felt estranged from the house and. And it's.

[A]

Yes, true.

[B]

Like, I've gotten the sense that nobody really cares to get to know her, and no one is mean to her by any means. And.

[A]

But they're not overtly welcoming. No.

[B]

And I can't imagine how, like, what things she noticed in the house. You know, if someone walks into a room and everyone asks how are you? And no one asks how are you? Like we don't even see stuff like that. But like those things. So she has felt a little bit on an island. I don't think Jesse did it intentionally. I genuinely.

[A]

Me neither.

[B]

She's so stupid. I don't think he's careless. I don't think he's a bad person. I think he's like a stupid, immature, careless person. But that's just my thinking. So I think her saying, like, you wanted me to be alienated from the group and make them think I'm a psychopath. Like, no, I think he just happen to do those things.

[A]

Agreed. Also, I found this particular party that they threw to be so interesting. Like it looked like maybe the only fun party they've ever thrown. I agree with like a DJ and like they kicked people out like at 1 in the morning 11. Whereas usually they kick people out. It's not even dark yet. Like they throw the parties just to film.

[B]

Usually they have day parties and this party started more towards the evening and I think it was because of the snooze fest nature. Like they needed the lights and everything.

[A]

So fun.

[B]

It did look really fun. But I also think it looked really fun because half of the house that, that sometimes is checked out of the parties was into it.

[A]

The girls also. Did anybody catch Paige vaping? I did.

[B]

No, I didn't.

[A]

She saw the camera, turned her back and I'm like, oh, I know that hunch. She's totally vaping.

[B]

That's really funny. No, everyone was really into it and I think that's why it was even more fun. And the girls went all out with decor and it was really like, it was a great theme. And agreed.

[A]

And it was like I was like, why does this feel so foreign? Like this party being fun.

[B]

I had the same thought, like, was this most fun party of the summer? Would everyone say that? If you like it.

[A]

The conversation between Carl and Sierra was so unbelievably painful. And kudos to Sierra because there's really, I don't know, it's never happened to me but like someone telling you they have a crush on you and like you don't like them back. Like I imagine that's like a difficult. And you don't want to be rude, you don't want to crush them. And he was being like very sweet. I don't know what he expected to happen. And I thought her like throwing Lindsay in there Great answer.

[B]

Oh, I didn't even think of it. I'm like, oh, yeah. Even if Sierra did like Carl back, like, it would be weird to start dating Lindsay's ex fiance when you are finally on a good page. But that was like a great excuse.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

But I actually thought what Amanda said about Carl, like, he's getting from his friendship with Sierra exactly what he hopes to get from a relationship. Now I do think the person in a relationship with him, like, wouldn't give him that unconditional support all the time because, like, the stakes are higher for that person. Whereas it's nice to just like support your friend. Yeah. Go off with your bad idea. It doesn't affect me. Right. So he's like, Sierra is the type of partner that I need.

[A]

Right. She's not. I also feel like the Sierra and the Lexi of it all. And I saw clips of Sierra on Watchtrapens Live. Like she doesn't like Lexi, like 100. But like, they haven't had any conflict. Lexi's actually been very like girls, girly and supportive by like only being mad at Jesse for all of the things that he did when a lot of them had to do with Sierra. And she was kind of like a willing participant in some of the flirting up until recently. I feel like there's such weirdness between them two. They're just like sort of existing in one another's orbits. They don't talk. But then on watch what happens. I've let's say like, Sierra hates Lexi.

[B]

You know, I started to watch Watch what happens live last night as I've been trying to watch after different episodes because I feel like so much has happened since filming that we get like caught up. It's like you kind of need it for relevant context. And I turned it off because it was so boring. All that they talked about was Jesse and Lexi with Sierra. Like, they even did a. A game that was like they did a game all about Carl. That was the other game that they started to play. It was like all about. There was nothing really for her to talk about other than Jesse and Lexi.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

There's nothing else that like Andy really discussed, wanted to talk about. And so I turned up because as much as like, Jesse and Lexi are the main storyline, there's not that much to say.

[A]

Especially if you're not talking to Jesse or Lexi themselves.

[B]

Yeah. But there's just not that much to say about it. We're seeing it all happen. The conversation, five week relationship. It's not like scandal.

[A]

Like they Leave us on like, a cliffhanger. I really hope these two don't reconcile. Like, I was getting the vibe at first from this combo that, like, Lexi was open to reconciliation. Like, Jesse's there to reconcile, and I hope she doesn't.

[B]

I don't think she will. I don't think she liked him as much as we thought that she did. I thought she was head over heels, like, jumping all the way in, ten toes down. But then she says, like, the reason we're not exclusive is because there's big red flags about you. I think she had concerns about him. And then now hearing all of this, it's like, well, my concerns were valid. Good day, sir.

[A]

Yeah, it's almost like everything we've seen up until this point was, like, Jesse's pov. It's like in a book when they change perspectives.

[B]

Yeah, no, that's exactly what happened. You can feel the shift. Like, I was even looking on Twitter, like, Pete, they've gotten all season. Nobody wants to watch them. Nobody likes them. They don't like, even though they're so cute. Like, what. What was.

[A]

No, I've enjoyed every minute.

[B]

And now they're like, lexi's the first one to stand up to a toxic Bravo, man.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

True. Because someone else would have just, like, had the conversation over and kept on.

[A]

Going with this thousand percent know the fact that she got so mad, like, and kicked him out of the room. Love. We did talk about the conversation at the very end with Kyle and Amanda. I was like, did anyone else think that was the craziest conversation ever?

[B]

I thought it was the craziest conversation ever. Like, to just have in the middle of the day, like, you know, like.

[A]

And clearly, for the first time with your husband, like, I understand you share things on a reality show, but, like, some things, like family building or, like, private. And then, like, you. Well, you want to share it, but, like, it seems like Kyle, for the very first time, was hearing that Amanda might not want to have kids. Now, of course, this is something you ideally would figure out before you get married, because you should be on the same page with your partner, but everyone's allowed to change their minds. And. And, yeah, she said she changed her mind a year ago.

[B]

Her mind. Not. She hasn't changed her mind. Some days it's a yes, some days it's a no, some days it's a maybe. And so she's been, like, parsing out those feelings, but she's definitely, like, in a maybe category right now. But it is something you figure out with your partner before you get married. Because that's like a deal breaker in a relationship when one person wants kids and another person doesn't. Like, there's no hap.

[A]

There's no compromise.

[B]

There's no compromise. And I. And I don't think that there should be.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

Putting myself in Kyle's shoes for a second to, like, marry someone who, like, we're having kids, like, yeah, of course. And then, like, be married and then hear that, like, maybe we're not. And, like, for Amanda, like, you really don't have control over that. Like, it's completely up to the woman. What a shocking thing to hear for him and for his reaction. For his reaction to be on camera. I thought he handled it, like, pretty well considering. Like, that's, like, earth shattering for someone when he's literally just talking to Schwartz about how much he wants to be a dad.

[A]

Yeah, I do feel like the fact that Amanda's been having these feelings for a year and hasn't felt comfortable once opening up to her husband about them might be a testament to, like, him being a bad husband. You know, like, you thought someone you can talk to. I don't know, like, how to diagnose this issue, but, like. And I don't know if they're just having this conversation because it's a kind of a typical reality TV couple conversation. Like, she had to be like, Melissa.

[B]

Gorga going, like, Armageddon.

[A]

No, I know if it's real. That's what I'm saying. It's almost like a trope now. Like, with. With reality tv, it's like a storyline.

[B]

Yes. And not between husband and wife.

[A]

No. Like, remember when Melissa Gorga was, like, thinking of making an embryo? Like, about kids?

[B]

No.

[A]

It's just sometimes, like, what you do. So I'm saying, if this is actually what's going on in their relationship, it's extremely concerning.

[B]

I agree. I don't think. I mean, hopefully it just was for the show, even though I. I don't think that it was. But, like, no, we've not seen a conversation like this Stark, where it's a husband and wife and it's about, yes, kids or no kids. Melissa, worker about wanting to have a fourth child. Like, yeah, of course.

[A]

Lower stakes.

[B]

That's class. That's marriage. This was, like, really surprising. But I also think for Amanda, and maybe Kyle isn't the sort of partner that you can talk to about this. Maybe you're right about that. But I think that, like, it's such a big decision, and if you're just thinking about it. You don't vocalize that at first. You know, of course you don't.

[A]

Even though, like, it with. With a husband. Like, if it's like a real.

[B]

If you're having doubts, but not, like, I don't know, definitely before a year. But not the first time you think it.

[A]

Not the first time being on camera time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. It depends on, like, what type of relationship you have. And so the fact that it took her a year to sort of muster up the confidence, I think speak just speaks to their relationship.

[B]

Well, yes, definitely.

[A]

It was crazy. Usually I, like, tune out those conversations. It's like they're married. Like, whatever. These conversations are fake for tv. Yeah. And I'm watching them like.

[B]

Like, Tom and Katie were, like, going. But they never said they were trying. Right. Because Tom. Also. Tom Schwartz being on Summer House, I actually, like, enjoyed.

[A]

Yeah, me too.

[B]

Shipping Tom and Lexi at the moment, 100%. But he said to Kyle that they never, like, really started trying. Trying.

[A]

No. But they went to those appointments just to sort of get their ducks in order.

[B]

Yeah, but I thought that they had been trying for a while.

[A]

I don't know why I thought that they had two. I. It was made to seem that way because all the other girls were getting pregnant. And I guess maybe we just assumed. But I remember them saying that, like, I remember.

[B]

No, I felt like she was upset about it. I feel like they were. I don't remember exactly what he said on Summer House, but I feel like.

[A]

They were trying on Summer House. He said that they were not trying.

[B]

I feel like he doesn't remember correctly.

[A]

When he went to say bye to Paige and Sierra and was like, enjoy this while you have it. And he was talking about, like, the show. Right. But he was like, your friends. But he meant, like, I was, you know, a part of something great once, too. No, I actually thought that was great advice.

[B]

Really sad, because also, I'm sure for the last 10 years, all summer House wanted was to be like, Vanderpump Rules, to have a success and, like, everything. And now there's no Vanderpump Rules and.

[A]

There is Summer House, and they are, like. They are a part of, like, cultural zeitgeist beyond Bravo, which is what Vanderpump Rules became.

[B]

Yeah. No, and it's still not, like, as big as Vanderpump Rules was in its heyday, but, like, they're still doing it.

[A]

And they are, like, one of the bigger shows on Bravo.

[B]

Yeah. That was. Made me a little depressed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like shorts. Like not wanting to go home. Like. Yeah. Can he. He should move.

[A]

He had to pick up his dogs.

[B]

From his split custody.

[A]

Right. It was a great episode. They also just filmed the reunion, so.

[B]

Next week doesn't look so good. I don't know why I just thought that there was like three Converse. They all go to the beach and then they have conversations on the beach. That's it.

[A]

And Sierra, like reads Jesse to filth, which. That does look interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the toast the millennial morning show where we deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday through Friday and YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube. Please don't forget to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere podcast to be found so Spotify tune, sister public radio everybody cast box all the place web visit podcast might also toasty five star review about a beautiful setting in wickedly talented we are.

[B]

Love ya.

[A]

Bye.