The Story Of Us: Friday, December 12th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast

Episode: The Story Of Us: Friday, December 12th, 2025
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry (with guest Jenny McCarthy)
Date: December 12, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively year-end episode of The Toast is a celebration of reunion, pop culture rundowns, personal milestones, and a special interview with Jenny McCarthy. Jackie returns from maternity leave to join Claudia, and the duo reflect on the year, recap headlines, and dive into fan-favorite banter. The episode closes with an in-depth and refreshingly candid conversation with Jenny McCarthy, spanning her career, motherhood, pop culture, and clean beauty entrepreneurship.

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Key Moments & Discussion Points

1. Jackie’s Return & Sisterly Catch-Up

• [00:25–03:01] Jackie returns from maternity leave; playful banter about their families and inside jokes about "Max and Ruby" (their kids' names matching the cartoon).
• [01:46] Notable: Claudia teases, “Jenny don't give a—she’ll talk about anything,” referring to their guest interview.
• [03:07–05:59] Reflections on publicist nightmares and the honest realities of working with celebrity interviews; both hosts grateful to not host an interview-based show.

2. "Co-jouner's Truth" Segment

• [04:07–06:16] A recurring segment where Jackie and Claudia share a secret or confession, ranging from postpartum weaning tips (cabbage in the bra!) to Jackie’s busy-mom reality ("I have a brisket in the crock [pot]").
  • [05:02] “You don’t know it because… I’m covered in cabbage. Like, there’s cabbage everywhere.” – Claudia
  • [06:03] “You’ve got a built-in snack.” – Jackie
• [06:19–07:10] Jackie’s “truth”: Excitement to be back, mom life logistics, and making time for TV and podcasts.

3. Pop Culture & TV Roundup

• [07:12–14:14]
  • Discussions about Bethenny Frankel’s media presence (“I’ve become a superfan…”) and a serendipitous Bethenny sighting on the beach.
  • Review of podcasts and YouTube cookery; cooking inspiration from Alison Roman.
  • Claudia notes today's headlines (“The stories are more of a springboard for what we care about”).
  • Charlie Puth's upcoming national anthem performance at the Super Bowl is debated:
    • [09:06] “He’s a great vocal talent, and I think he’ll do a great job at the Super Bowl…” – Jackie
    • [09:32] “Unlike Illyria, I do discriminate based on gender…the fact that he’s a man is weird, but he sings well…” – Claudia

4. TV Hosting Shakeups: Jenna & Friends

• [10:07–13:08]
  • Chanel Jones is revealed as the new co-host with Jenna Bush Hager (“Duh. She’s the host…”).
    • [10:21] “She’s worked her way up, she’s friends with Jenna…” – Jackie
  • Transparency issues with the process; Justin Sylvester’s Instagram comeback using a “Devil Wears Prada” meme is highlighted.
  • [12:21] “It wasn’t an audition.” – Claudia

5. Celebrity Relationship News

• [13:19–14:30]
  • Glenn Powell & Michelle Randolph’s relationship compared to “the biggest ship in the port.”
  • Braxton and Alex (“Bralecks”) breaking up; Jackie is “in mourning”
    • [14:19] “I’m not cheering on the breakup…I liked it. So I’m just in mourning.” – Jackie

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Fast Five Stories Rundown

1. Time’s Person of the Year: The Architects of AI

Discussion: The impact of AI and those leading its advancements.

• [21:07–26:04]
  • Breakdown of those featured: Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Lisa Su, Jensen Huang, others.
  • [22:51] Quotes: “This year I stopped being all about the future and roared into the present.” – Claudia
  • Personal AI stories: Claudia asks ChatGPT to tell her “what you learned about me this year,” sparking laughs and relatability.
  • [25:03] “You care deeply about home, how it looks, feels, and functions…” – Jackie reads ChatGPT summary

2. Personal Picks for "Person of the Year"

• [28:53–30:10]
  • Entertainment: Alex Earl ("she entertained me in all formats.") – Claudia
  • Breakthrough: The Nader Sisters; CEO: Ben Safran (Spritz Society).

3. Khloé Kardashian Shoots Her Shot

Khloé Kardashian publicly flirts with teacher Jacob Myers Norris on Instagram.

• [31:18–34:13]
  • [32:28] “I’m so obsessed with this. It’s so pure, it’s so beautiful. They have to meet now.” – Jackie
  • Speculation whether this storyline will appear on Kardashians; both hosts agree Khloé should date a “regular guy,” but maybe not that regular.

4. Paramount's Hostile Bid for Warner Bros.

Streaming wars heat up as Paramount attempts a major takeover.

• [35:38–38:38]
  • [37:23] Jackie: “Big news…but it’s a little too much for my foggy mom brain to compute at the moment.”
  • Discussion on dominance of streamers, Netflix’s growing power, and why competition among platforms matters.
  • [38:07] “The fact that there are so many streamers keeps pricing competitive.” – Claudia

5. Summer House Drama: Loverboy vs Truly

Reality TV scandal as Kyle (Loverboy founder) caught shotgunning a rival drink (Truly).

• [38:57–45:55]
  • Summer House trailer breakdown; Amanda and Kyle’s on-again, off-again relationship:
  • [42:10] “He drinks a lot of his own beverage. Now, Kyle Cook famously allegedly got Hannah Burner fired…because she took a deal with Truly…”
  • Fan theories about what Summer House cast actually drinks for appearances.
  • Deep discussion on Amanda’s motivations for staying with Kyle. Jackie: “I don’t read it as she’s so in love with him… She barely likes him.”
    • [45:06] Claudia: “I don’t know. I kind of ship them.”

[Other Notable Segments]

• Reality TV Corner:
  • Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (Monica drama/“Monica Gate”), Jen Shaw’s exit.
  • Bravo and The Kardashians relationship analysis (Chris Jenner inviting exes, family divides).

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Year at a Glance & Closing Reflections

• [59:07–61:38]
  • Jackie and Claudia reflect on personal milestones: two maternity leaves, the durability of their audience, new show formats, and thanks to their listeners.
    • [60:10] “Shout out to the toasters for sticking with us from two maternity leaves in one year.” – Claudia
    • [60:45] “We’re gonna do a lot of ‘at a glance’ on Patreon this month…our favorite stories, top stories of the year.” – Jackie

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FEATURE INTERVIEW: Jenny McCarthy

[63:17–97:50]

Main Topics:

• Career Highlights & Pop Culture Journey:
  • [63:59] “[The View] was really difficult…like, I was hired to say, ‘who’s the best dancer on Dancing With the Stars?’…next thing, I’m talking hostages and politics.”
  • [65:27] Meeting Donnie Wahlberg on Watch What Happens Live; their first flirt; pop culture dream story.
  • [67:30] “If you haven’t seen it, please look up the Jenny McCarthy Show on VH1… we’re laying on the ground licking lollipops…”
• Masked Singer Era:
  • [69:14] “There’s a lot of times where I might guess too soon, and they’ll remove it out of the edit.”
  • [72:11] “I’ve had execs come to my dressing room and say, ‘you need to calm down.’ But it’s my job to guess who’s underneath the mask!”
  • [73:03] Claudia shares she once auditioned for Masked Singer; both agree she’d win.
  • [74:51] Dream costumes: “I would be a cheeseburger—I’m a Wahlberger!” – Jenny
• Motherhood & Clean Beauty:
  • [76:22] “I wanted four kids…when they handed me my son, I was like, this is what life’s all about.”
  • [77:19] “Giving it time and being good role models” – McCarthy’s blended family advice
  • [95:00] Launching Formless Beauty: “I created this out of a desperate need… if you want to get pregnant…please test for [MTHFR]”
• Pop Culture Takes:
  • [82:03] “I’ve never been a Swiftie…But now, I’m singing along, and I realized, that was Taylor Swift!”
  • [84:51] On Harry & Meghan: “I have empathy…but my diagnosis…there might be a bit of narcissism in there.”
  • [88:24] On Kardashians: “I love Chloe. I want her to branch outside her family for guests.”
  • [90:24] On Kardashian family dynamics: “I think therapy is its own main character in the show.”
• Bravo Rumors & Reality TV Rejections:
  • [93:46] “Bethenny emailed me and said, ‘I’d love for you to come on Housewives of New York’...but I was living in Jersey.”
• Clean Beauty Deep Dive:
  • [95:00–96:34] McCarthy’s passion for developing clean products, especially for pregnant and breastfeeding women.
  • [96:58] “We followed the environmental working group guidelines—they gave us a 900-page list of unacceptable ingredients. We have none of them.”
  • Special code for listeners: 10% off Formless Beauty with code TOAST.

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Memorable Quotes

• Claudia:

  • “Jenny don’t give a—she’ll talk about anything.” [01:46]
  • “I don’t know. I kind of ship them [Kyle & Amanda].” [45:06]

• Jackie:

  • “You’ve got a built-in snack.” (About cabbage bras for weaning) [06:03]
  • “Possession is 9/10ths of the law.” (On Netflix taking over HBO content) [37:45]
  • “It’s entertainment. I want to watch my show!” [46:49]

• Jenny McCarthy:

  • “I was hired to be a pop culture…bring the light to The View…then it went back to political fighting. I could not handle that as a human being.” [64:15]
  • “We are as females—we are creators. We create a human being.” [76:22]
  • “There’s a lot of times I might guess too soon, and they’ll remove it out of the edit.” [72:01]
  • “If there’s any haters, they’re definitely quiet…the sisterhood [Donnie’s fans] would attack the one.” [80:09]

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Highlight Timestamps

• Jackie returns & Max and Ruby banter: [00:25–02:36]
• "Co-jouner’s Truth" confessions: [04:07–06:16]
• Bethenny/Beach encounter: [07:20–07:58]
• Time’s Person of the Year, AI Chat GPT fun: [21:07–26:04]
• Khloé Kardashian’s viral comment: [31:18–34:13]
• Paramount vs. Netflix streaming wars: [35:38–38:38]
• Summer House / Truly scandal: [38:57–45:55]
• Year-end reflections: [59:07–61:38]
• Jenny McCarthy interview: [63:17–97:50]

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, irreverent, honest, and hilariously relatable.
  The sisters’ chemistry is punctuated by inside jokes, self-deprecating humor, and quick pivots from personal anecdotes to headline analysis. Jenny McCarthy matches their warmth, offering refreshing transparency and depth—especially in her discussions about motherhood and the struggles behind TV glamor.

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is a perfect slice of The Toast’s signature blend: sisterly hijinks, astute pop culture commentary, real-life parenting confessions, plenty of “did you see?!” debates, and a star guest segment that peels back publicity to reveal real-life laughs and lessons. Whether you want to catch up on what mattered in pop culture this year—or just need a reminder that even celebs are winging it—this Friday episode is a warm, funny, and satisfying send-off for 2025.

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Final Notes

• The year in review continues on their Patreon: Deeper dives, favorite stories, and more personal glances promised for members.
• Listener Engagement: Multiple calls to connect via Patreon and social, including unique discount codes and community Q&As.
• Star Interview: Jenny McCarthy’s warmth, candor, and business insights cap the episode with inspiration for anyone balancing “all the eras.”

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Happy Holidays, Toasters! See you in the New Year!

Transcript

[Jackson Claude]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Jacqueline F]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackson Claude]

The best five things you need to know.

[Jacqueline F]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackson Claude]

They sound amazing.

[Jacqueline F]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Friday. That really feels like a Friday. Cause we're fucking celebrating. If you're watching this, you already know my guest co host for today is the girl, the woman, the mother, the sister, the friend. It's Jacqueline F. Hello, Jackie F. Welcome back to the toast.

[Jackson Claude]

Hey, how y' all doing?

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, girl, we are so ready for you to be back.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm so excited to be back. Today is a momentous occasion and it's the Friday is Friday that ever fresh Friday. Because it's the final day of the week. It's the final show of the year. And we're wrapping, wrapping everything up with.

[Jacqueline F]

A bow that we are. We have such an amazing show today. Jax is back. You know, I kind of overbooked, overextended myself this maternity leave season that I had an extra interview. I had an extra guest that I'm putting in today's episode. I sat down with Jenny McCarthy. We had a nice little conversation at the end of today's episode. She's talking all things. You know, she has my dream job. She's a singer on a. She's a judge on a singing competition. My lifelong dream. She's so cool. Like, she'll talk about anything. You know, some people are weird. Like, they don't want to talk about the thing or whatever. She did not give a single note. No. Like, some people have, like, the thing that made them famous they don't want to talk about. Some people have like, oh, well, I don't want to talk about this scandal. Like, Jenny don't give a. Like, she'll talk about anything.

[Jackson Claude]

Doesn't give a.

[Jacqueline F]

It was a fab convo that's just like randomly at the end of today's episode. But I think you guys are going to love that. Jax is back. No, it's Jack Said and Turdy. Dirty and Jax.

[Jackson Claude]

You guys, not only is it Jackson, Turdy, Turdy and Jax, but my son.

[Jacqueline F]

It's Max and Ruby.

[Jackson Claude]

It's Max and Ruby. And everybody was telling us that, like, as if we didn't know that when.

[Jacqueline F]

As if we didn't do it on.

[Jackson Claude]

Purpose when we named him. But yes, like Max and Ruby. My son. My third son. If you aren't a patron, I've had a third son. Son and his name is Max. If this is your first time hearing from me in a few weeks, my son's name is Max. And we've got Max and Ruby. Ruby and Max.

[Jacqueline F]

And if you aren't a patron, then you did. Miss Jackie was all over the Patreon this month. If you didn't see us recapping. Not recapping. Yeah, recapping. Dancing with the Stars, Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. Like all the things that were like sort of coming to an end as Jackie was starting her leave with. We covered it all. So if you're looking for Jackson Turd's opinions on Dancing with the Stars finale, Secret Lives and more Wives, a new season. The reunion. It's all on the Patreon. Today's episode is going to be a regular episode. I've got five stories. They stink. But like, who cares?

[Jackson Claude]

Together, classic stories. And honestly, the story is us. The reunification.

[Jacqueline F]

I used to think one day would tell the story of us. How we met and the spot. Let me just say this, you could not have come back a minute too soon.

[Jackson Claude]

Why? What was about to happen?

[Jacqueline F]

Nothing was about to happen. But like, let me just say I'm really glad you're back for a multitude of reasons, like you're my sister, yada yada. The way if I never have to interact with another publicist ever again. And one day I will tell my truth. Of all the. Like, everyone was a nightmare. Let me tell you. Like, people are insane. Working with talent. Like, I'm so glad we are not an interview based show. Like, it's awful. Everyone thinks that they're so special, important. I can't even get into it, you guys. And it's not the people you would think. It's never the stars. Right? Like, oh my God, you guys. One day I will tell my truth on patreon.com toast but until then, thanks to everybody who stopped by Free Idea.

[Jackson Claude]

Another memoir called Co Jers Truth. Yes, I'll just leave that there. Think about it.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay. And is there any. What else about just the title.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, and that's where you share your truth because you couldn't share it to bed.

[Jacqueline F]

And do you know what my truth is?

[Jackson Claude]

What's your truth Today?

[Jacqueline F]

Every time I pick up the phone, Jackie and I, we FaceTime, like everywhere. We're not on like the same feeding schedule, but we're getting there. So we're always like both in our chairs and Shout out, shout out. Olio. I think it's called the best recliner. Jackie picks up the phone and she says, hey, Koj earner, what's your truth? And you know what? I do always have like a truth to share with her.

[Jackson Claude]

What's your truth today?

[Jacqueline F]

My truth today, actually. Oh, by the way, this is a great segment, Right? Yeah, it is. It'll be called Cojourner's Truth and it's like you have to share a secret.

[Jackson Claude]

Co journeer's corner, Core journers Core journey.

[Jacqueline F]

But I do have a truth today.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jacqueline F]

You don't know it because, like you see me and I look so like glamorous and beautiful, but underneath all this, I'm covered in cabbage. Like there's cabbage everywhere.

[Jackson Claude]

I love that. For you one it means that like you've started your weaning journey. But the cabbage is so effective in absorbing the breast milk. It absorbs right up.

[Jacqueline F]

It absorbs right up. I love that.

[Jackson Claude]

And no, it really will help if you're having like engorgement because like you're not feeding as much. Like it really brings down your supply.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And.

[Jackson Claude]

And it's kind of a look, don't you think? Like fashion wise? No, like the cabbage bra. It's a look, I'm telling you.

[Jacqueline F]

But yeah, it's giving like very tropical. But it's not necessarily a look. Everyone I spoke to was like, even Snooki, she was like, you have to do the cabbage. But it smells. Everybody's like it smells. It smells. Let me tell you, I kind of like the smell. It can't be worse. Seriously, than like when you have really bad like breast milk smell in your bra. Like sweaty boob, spoiled milk. Like I've dealt with worse.

[Jackson Claude]

I did not find the cabbage to smell. And if it does smell, it's a smell that I didn't mind.

[Jacqueline F]

And.

[Jackson Claude]

It'S a snack.

[Jacqueline F]

You've got a built in snack.

[Jackson Claude]

Is she gonna eat cabbage?

[Jacqueline F]

No. Okay, that was yucky. It's like rubbery.

[Jackson Claude]

I was like, she'll do anything for the craft.

[Jacqueline F]

So what's your truth? That's mine.

[Jackson Claude]

My truth is that I'm very happy to be here. It's a very big milestone to be like back on the show on video. Not just audio, which I could do in my sleep, but like getting ready. Plus I had a dream of making a brisket today in the crock pot and that just couldn't happen after the toast today. So I got up extra early, which I was gonna do anyway to give myself enough time to prepare for the show and like enough. My feeding schedule. I don't pump. So like I'm every three hours need to be available. So I've had a very busy morning. Feels like the afternoon. I have a brisket in the crock. I've got two hours Runway ahead of me until my next feeding. So I'm excited to be here. Talk about some stories, Talk about some of the things that I've seen on this show in the last few weeks. Some of the things I've seen on other shows that I've been watching, but.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, you mean like TV shows or podcasts?

[Jackson Claude]

TV shows. But there was a podcast that I was go. That's on my. Like, something that's, like, an interview that I need to watch.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, I think I know what it is. Is it. Is it Bethany on?

[Jackson Claude]

No, I watched that.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, you watched Bethany on.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I'm a huge. Like, I. I love Bethany. I literally watch anything, and I love trying. Like, I've become a super fan since she's been on the toast. So then I said she was going on another podcast on. On that podcast, and I. I watched it because I Stan.

[Jacqueline F]

No, I'm obsessed with her. You got me, like, hooked on Bethany. And then also, I didn't even tell everyone this when I came to Florida for Thanksgiving, me and walk. Who did I run into the second I start my walk? Bethany on the beach.

[Jackson Claude]

I love that. Be on the beach.

[Jacqueline F]

She was being so. Bethany on the beach.

[Jenny McCarthy]

No.

[Jackson Claude]

What was I gonna watch? Like, I know in my brain, it's like, bookmark. Like, I have to be on my YouTube app where I watch.

[Jacqueline F]

Were you gonna watch Ina on good hang?

[Jackson Claude]

No.

[Jacqueline F]

Were you gonna watch? I'm trying to think of, like, podcast interviews that made. Oh, George Clooney on New Heights.

[Jackson Claude]

No. Let me check my YouTube and see, like, what's in my queue.

[Jacqueline F]

What's in your community?

[Jackson Claude]

I did want to watch Alison Roman make meatballs. I've been enjoying her cooking content. I've been liking cooking content. It was, like, inspiring me for Thanksgiving. And I. She had a Thanksgiving special. There weren't a lot of Thanksgiving specials to be found, but I did enjoy that. I know. I. I don't know what it is. Maybe it'll come to me during the stories.

[Jacqueline F]

And let me tell you, the stories today are much more like a springboard, if you will, for Jackie and I to talk about things in which we care about. Like, I'm not gonna make a story from last week a story, but if it comes up, it comes up, because I want to hear Jackie's take something.

[Jackson Claude]

I want to insert my opinion into something that's come up a lot on this show over the last few weeks, that made news was Charlie Puth singing the national anthem.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

And I'm really excited. I think he's gonna do a great job. He's very vocally talented. Like, you know, set the man aside. Even though I'm finding his educate. His videos have really found me at the right time where I have space, and I'm holding space for him.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Maybe I'm just, you know, feeling sensitive, so I'm just, like, feeling warm towards him. But he's a great vocal talent, and I think he'll do a great job at the super bowl, and I think we should all be excited.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

Unlike Illyria, I do discriminate based on gender. So the fact that he's a man, like, is kind of weird. If I am able to look past that. I agree. All you really need to do is sing good.

[Jackson Claude]

And he does, like, just shut up and sing. That's his skill.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And if it makes you feel better, I feel like his voice is kind of girly.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay. Yeah. It's been a long day. So girly.

[Jackson Claude]

So that's something.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay. There was one other thing I wanted to get your opinion on.

[Jackson Claude]

Jenna Bush Hager finally made a choice. They have elected a new co host.

[Jacqueline F]

They've elected a new host, and it's Chanel. Mm.

[Jackson Claude]

And I watched the segment of her getting elected and selected, and all I can say is, duh. Like, I don't watch the show, so I didn't know who was in the running. But for people who watch the show every day, how did you not guess this? It seems so obvious. She's, like, been in the rankings at NBC. Like, she works the job. She did the, you know, the meteorologist stuff. She worked her way up. She's friends with Jenna. She's like, a woman of a certain age. Like, that's the. The host. I don't know why we thought we were gonna get someone like a teenager.

[Jacqueline F]

Young and new and fresh.

[Jackson Claude]

No, like, the job is, like, two women states, women sharing their morning with you. It's like they're not trying to reinvent the wheel. Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

And the thing is, is that it's very clear that it was always Chanel Jones. Her. She took time off, like, a sabbatical because her husband had brain cancer. And I think they knew he was going to pass away, and so she took time off to be with him and then grieve. So this whole Jenna and friends thing was just, like a time buy for Chanel.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I didn't realize that that was the timing of it. And they were just buying time for Chanel. Okay, so, like, viewers of this show, how did you not know that this is who it was going to be?

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, I do think the only issue I have is that they weren't clear with. I think a lot of the people that, you know, Justin, Matt Rogers, like, people. I think a lot of people thought that this job, like, could be theirs when from day one, it was never going to be.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, it was just, like, a fun thing they were doing, not an actual hiring process.

[Jacqueline F]

Correct. It wasn't an audition. And Justin Sylvester posted, in my opinion, like, the best possible rebuttal because really it was him or Matt Rogers that everyone was guessing and rooting for, and he did not get the job. And he posted on his Instagram that scene from Devil Wears Prada where Miranda Priestley chooses Jacqueline Follet over Stanley Tucci and he says, she'll pay me back in time. She will. She doesn't, does she? Right. Well, we'll see the sequels coming out.

[Jackson Claude]

True.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, true. So that was the news I really wanted to get your take on.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Yeah. I think it makes so much sense. And you know what? I was worried that, like, the Jenna and Friends would sort of muffle the excitement of, like, when they finally selected someone like, Jeopardy. I don't even know they selected Ken Jennings, apparently, like, they just sort of fumbled the ball and, like, I like a hard choice. And I actually feel like they did well, making the selection, like, as hypey as it could be. I. When I saw the post that morning, like, we're revealing later today, I was, like, surprisingly very excited about it. So it landed for me. I think it's great. And, like, we need stability in the realm. We can only have so much Jenna and Friends. Like, we needed a choice.

[Jacqueline F]

Agreed.

[Jackson Claude]

And I think this is a great choice, though. Very obvious. So again, not my fault because I don't watch the show.

[Jacqueline F]

Correct.

[Jackson Claude]

But to the viewers, how'd you not guess? That's all I'll say.

[Jacqueline F]

Correct. Any other stories that have just been, like, tickling you to give your your $0.02 on.

[Jackson Claude]

Not at the moment, but if it comes up. Oh, Glenn Powell and Michelle Randolph, like.

[Jacqueline F]

Name a more iconic duo.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God. Maybe the biggest ship in the port at the moment.

[Jacqueline F]

And I don't know how. We didn't even guess it because she's so Landman. That's like, so you have to let.

[Jackson Claude]

The chips fall where they may. We could have never dreamed up. We could never, you know, man plans. God Laughs it's true.

[Jacqueline F]

When we put I think Glenn is, like, on our list, we're always thinking about who we should date. We talk about it all the time. When I tell you I literally never thought of Michelle Randolph. And now I could not imagine a world in which the two aren't together.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. So. Oh, and Braxton and Alex. Bralecks.

[Jacqueline F]

What do you make of Bralecks?

[Jackson Claude]

It makes me just like Sags. He seemed like a solid couple that were very much in love. But I understand, you know, what, were they gonna get married? She's very young, so.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jackson Claude]

I guess we'll have to part ways.

[Jacqueline F]

But I'm not.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I don't know.

[Jackson Claude]

I haven't reached that spot yet.

[Jacqueline F]

Like, that stage of grief.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And I'm not, like, cheering on the breakup where I'm like, she's free. Like, get after it. Like, I don't know why I felt I. I liked it. So I'm just. I'm in mourning.

[Jacqueline F]

Wow. Okay. Please respect your privacy at this time.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

Now, we do have quite a show today. We've got the Fast Five. We've got sort of like a Year End at a glance and Jenny McCarthy. So if it's okay with you, I'd like to dive in.

[Jackson Claude]

Please, by all means.

[Jacqueline F]

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[Jackson Claude]

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[Jackson Claude]

Gird your loins.

[Jacqueline F]

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[Jacqueline F]

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[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jacqueline F]

All right, Folay. Are you ready for our first story? I am a Person of the Year. I'm cracking up. Not me spoiling it. AI's Person of the Year times Person of the Year. It's. It's December. Everybody's doing their lists, making a list.

[Jackson Claude]

Checking it twice time Person of the Year. I'm so glad I'm here to discuss because this is very important topics.

[Jacqueline F]

It's not a person, it's a group being dubbed the Architects of AI. Yeah, so this year I stopped being all about the future and roared into the present. Time announced exclusively on the Today show that IT has recognized AI's seismic impact by naming the architects of AI as its 2025 Person of the Year. The recognition reflects how the technology seemingly became inescapable this year in just about every aspect of American life, from its impact on education to fears of mass industry disruption. The photo itself mimics that iconic photo of like six construction workers sitting on a crane building the Empire State Building in the middle of New York, like, eating a sandwich. But instead of construction workers, it's a lot. Some familiar faces, some people I hadn't known immediately saw. Mark Zuckerberg, Elon, there were a couple of girlies in there.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I haven't looked hard at the picture.

[Jacqueline F]

Of course.

[Jackson Claude]

Sam Altman.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, yeah, Sam Altman. So there's two girls and six men. So it's Mark Zuckerberg from Meta, Lisa sue from Advanced Micro Devices, Elon Musk from Xai, Jensen Wong from Nvidia, Sam Altman from OpenAI, Dennis Hassabis from DeepMind Technologies, Dario Amade from Anthropic, and Fei Fei Li from Stanford's Human Centered AI Institute and World Labs.

[Jackson Claude]

Got it. Okay. I feel like some of the people sitting there are extraneous, but I've heard.

[Jacqueline F]

Of Meta, I've heard of Elon, I've heard of OpenAI, I've heard of Nvidia. Unfamiliar with DeepMind technologies, but Slay.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And I just want to say I think they mostly hit the nail on the head. Now if it were me, I think I would have made my Person of the Year chat GPT specifically because one I like a one choice let an abstract thing. And like everybody when they talk about using AI for help, like, they talk about chat. And I feel like Chad had a big year. Even though I know people use a lot of different AI platforms, I feel like.

[Jacqueline F]

And I actually think chat is not even the biggest one.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. But I just feel like colloquially like it's chat, but it's like how you.

[Jacqueline F]

Google something and you could have been on Bing, like.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. I understand they want to give like all of these big players their flowers and I think it's pretty well done overall, considering, you know, time sometimes gets it right, sometimes doesn't.

[Jacqueline F]

And I will say the thing I like about time. And I think something they do well is a lot of times it would be easier. Like, AI is not popular. Right. We could talk about the environmental impact and the cultural impact. It's going to steal jobs. But you can't deny that this was the year of AI. So they're not shy from choosing people who are polarizing or conversations that are polarizing. So I appreciate that they didn't pretend like, this isn't happening just because, like, it's unsavory. And it was the year of AI. I actually. Okay. So, I mean, I use AI all the time. For me, this was the year of AI.

[Jackson Claude]

I mean, I used AI to make my brisket today.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, so this is what you. This is what people are doing. Ask Chat. What? Because it's like end of year. What did you learn about me this year? And then also you Ask Chat. What was the craziest question I asked you this year?

[Jackson Claude]

I honestly, on the one hand, I don't want to know. On the other hand, I feel like I haven't gotten that deep with Chat yet. It's all just like, how do I cook a salmon? Well done.

[Jacqueline F]

Right? Chat told me, like, I'm an amazing, committed dude, Deeply, like, caring mother.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jacqueline F]

Which was really sweet.

[Jackson Claude]

That's. That's really funny. What did you learn about me this year?

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, interesting. I can't share with my. I can't share what my dumbest question was.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. Oh, my God. Okay. You care deeply about home, how it looks, feels, and functions. You're a thoughtful, detail oriented cook.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, it's all cooking.

[Jackson Claude]

You like clear numbers and concrete answers.

[Jacqueline F]

Very true.

[Jackson Claude]

You're a very attentive dog owner. Because I'm always asking questions about Bruno's health. I'm navigating early parenthood with intention slay. I'm highly visual and iterative. I like seeing mock ups, examples, multiple versions. I mean, why not? I value nuance in context. I do believe that's true. The wait, the way I communicate. This is funny. They say I'm direct but polite, specific and warm. You. You appreciate effort, but you also call out mismatches. Clearly. Okay. Beautiful. That feels right.

[Jacqueline F]

Do you want to go through previous time people of the year, or we don't care?

[Jackson Claude]

No, because I go listen to our last episodes for the last eight years. Who was on the short list? You know how they always give, like, a list of nominees? Yeah, I'm very curious. Like, who didn't get it the year?

[Jacqueline F]

I like that. That's true. See the short list. Oh, that was 2024. Maybe they didn't do it this year.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Ugh.

[Jackson Claude]

I kind of like that feature. I can't, like, think of the whole year at a glance because I have, like, brain fog.

[Jacqueline F]

That's really annoying. Yeah, they don't have it, but it.

[Jackson Claude]

Would be interesting to, like, think about who else could have gotten it.

[Jacqueline F]

Well, here's behind the scenes of times persons. 2025 of the year.

[Jackson Claude]

Did they all get together? The big.

[Jacqueline F]

They have a couple of other categories. They have Athlete of the Year as it's so small, I can't see. Hold on.

[Jackson Claude]

Who's the athlete of the year?

[Jacqueline F]

An Entertainer of the Year.

[Jackson Claude]

Who's your athlete of the Year?

[Jacqueline F]

Probably Jalen Brunson.

[Jackson Claude]

For sure. Mine's CD Lamb, of course.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay. Entertainer of the year is Leonardo DiCaprio.

[Jackson Claude]

Of course he is. He's so entertaining. I think that's such a great choice.

[Jacqueline F]

CEO of the year is the YouTube CEO. Like, I'm zooming in on these pictures. I'm sorry, I can't read their names. Breakthrough of the year. Okay. Pop Demon Hunters.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh. Give them all the awards. And if that song doesn't win the Golden Globe for best original song, even though I want Miley to win, I wouldn't be mad. But that song, golden, like, I'm listening to it. And who am I, you know?

[Jacqueline F]

And the time. Athlete of the Year, I believe is a female basketball player because she's holding a basketball and she's a woman. I can't. I can't zoom in on her name. Her name is, like, Aliyah Wilson, I think.

[Jackson Claude]

Cool. Cool.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Cool. Congrats.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, yeah, Here she is. Here she is. Hold on. A.A. wilson. Excuse me. I'm sorry, what she do? WNBA. She plays for the Las Vegas Aces, which is my favorite team.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

And she won her third WNBA title in four years. She's definitely, like, big in the wnba. I don't know if time knows that there are other leagues.

[Jackson Claude]

Other. Other sports leagues, you mean she uses.

[Jacqueline F]

A pink Stanley tumbler and a pink tambourine. So cute. I am. I don't. I don't know enough about her, but I. I personally have not heard of her. That doesn't mean much, though.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay, so you know, they do, like, a couple entertainer, athlete, breakthrough CEO.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay, so let's do ours.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, okay. Love this.

[Jackson Claude]

Who's your entertainer of the Year?

[Jacqueline F]

Alex Earl.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I love that.

[Jacqueline F]

Like, she entertained me in all formats. Like, she started the year with, like, drama with her boss. Loved that. Then she had her relationship, and then she had Dancing with the Stars and then her hot mess rebrand, like. Sorry. I was thoroughly entertained.

[Jackson Claude]

That's really a good one. Yes. She was crushing it in all cylinders. My Entertainer of the Year or Imogen Heap, probably Rascal Flats, for me. Like, they came out with refueled duets. They came back together, which is what I needed, like, for healing and peace. Rascal Flats, give it up. Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

Your CEO of the Year. Us, obviously. But there's not a category for CEO.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, rats. Let me think of CEOs the year.

[Jacqueline F]

You know who was like, I'm always.

[Jackson Claude]

Hearing about him as a CEO.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Who?

[Jacqueline F]

I feel like we used to talk about Bob Iger all the time, and now I feel like I'm always talking about Ted Sarandos, the CEO of Netflix.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I guess he's not my CEO of the Year, though.

[Jacqueline F]

Not by my CEO. Yeah, by a mile. I would say it's probably Ben Safran, celebrity CEO of Spritz Society.

[Jackson Claude]

That's really beautiful.

[Jacqueline F]

Thanks.

[Jackson Claude]

What's the next one?

[Jacqueline F]

Entertain? Oh, no, I did a athlete cd, Lamb, of course, Jalen Brunson. And then Breakthrough. Like, somebody who broke through a new artist.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, I feel like I have one. Like, I feel like someone knew who I followed or something. Let me look. I feel like I've been keeping up with new peeps. You know, it's, like, so hard for.

[Jacqueline F]

Me to take a look at a year. Like, I know what was this year. Oh, I think my Entertainers of the Year is usually.

[Jackson Claude]

I think my breakthrough of the year is the Nader sisters. Love that they broke through this year.

[Jacqueline F]

I do think the entertainer of my year was the toast. The enter. The athlete of my year was Jackie and Claudia. The CEO of my year was Jackie and Claudia. And the breakthrough, like, we had an amazing year. We definitely broke through 1000%. Now my CEO of the year is Michael Bostick. All right, are you ready for our next story? What should I do next? Oh, you know, I'll choose this one because I know you're obsessed with this story. Like, Khloe Kardashian is shooting her shot with a hot high school teacher.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, no, I'm obsessed.

[Jacqueline F]

So Khloe Kardashian is currently going viral for shooting her shot with a hot high school teacher named Jacob Myers Norris in a flirty exchange on Instagram. So last week, Myers Newer is Norris posted a video on Instagram sharing various facts about himself, including that he likes to cook. He has Italian roots. He used to be a college athlete. He has a bachelor's and Master's degree. And he captioned the post, saying, somewhere out there is a woman who's going to ask me how my school did was like being a victim. And then the good American and co founder Khloe Kardashian took to the comment section, writing, how was your day? Asked and answered. Myers Norris replied to the reality sir, commenting, mine is great. Now how is yours? Kardashian kept the conversation going, responding, mine is great too. Fans were overjoyed to see the interaction between Kardashian and Norris Meyer. Myers Norris, like, why can't they just say John or whatever the his name is?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

Told the reality star to check her DMs following the flirty conversation. Shoot your shot, Ms. Chloe. One user wrote, yes, got a girl. Someone commented the Internet typing these two up and like, it's nice to see famous people doing, like, what you would do if you were famous. Like, not enough people do this. Like, when you are a woman of, like, a certain celebrity, like, you could just have whatever you want.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, have it. Then he also posted a video, like, replying to her comment that said, how was your day? And was like, everyone in my life is freaking out about this. Like, they are so mad if I don't reach out. So I'm putting it here. Like, I'm on winter break. These dates I can come to la. Yeah. And so here's where I stand. Like, I'm so obsessed with this. It's so pure. It's so beautiful. And they have to meet now. I don't think this is the great love of her life. Even the way he was just, like, being in his video. I'm like, I don't know that he's the man for her.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, you hate him. Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

No, no, no, I don't. But I did, like, go to his profile. Did you go to his profile?

[Jacqueline F]

I didn't.

[Jackson Claude]

It was just like, a lot. It was a lot of content, like, for a man and a teacher of yucky.

[Jacqueline F]

Well, I just know, like, while we're all hyping this up and it's so fun, like, they're going to meet for a storyline on the next season.

[Jackson Claude]

That's what I want. That's how this ends well. Like, they should go on a date for the show because I don't think that they are each other's true loves. But I'm also glad to see that Chloe is looking in the pool of regulars because that's what we've been saying. She just needs, like, a regular good guy and he's definitely A good guy, but I just feel like I. Oh, the little that I know about him. Like, they're not a personality match, but we need to see this thing through and we're all need to go on the journey. So it needs to be on the show and they need. For the show. It's perfect.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. So I do think she definitely needs to date someone out of her realm and, like, a little bit more regular. I do fear that, like, a random teacher is a little too, too regular. I think she needs somebody who's, like, not famous, but, like, is not. He's like, in an adjacent industry. Like, this is far too random. When I say Chloe needs to date someone, like, random and not famous. I didn't mean this.

[Jackson Claude]

No. And I mean a certain kind of teacher, but, like, he kind of teacher. Like, I don't know a teacher from like, one of your books. Like, that's like rough and tumble.

[Jacqueline F]

But, like, I understand a teacher for one of my books.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

But this guy seems, like, really earnest.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And I just don't know that it's going to be a match. But I do think she could date some irregular. I think she could date, like a police officer.

[Jacqueline F]

Lana Del Rey coated. Very Miranda Lambert. What's. Wait, I'm having a stroke.

[Jackson Claude]

It's Lambert.

[Jacqueline F]

It is.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

Wait. Miranda Lambert.

[Jackson Claude]

You're thinking about it too hard. Like, you need to just, like, zoom out. Miranda Lambert.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, yeah. Thank you. We're in the Lambert.

[Jackson Claude]

I know you like a Lambert in your class growing up. And you're like.

[Jacqueline F]

I'm just like. I know Lambert sounds like a collection of. Sounds like Lambert.

[Jackson Claude]

A police officer, a firefighter, a crocodile hunter.

[Jacqueline F]

Like Lana Del Rey.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

So I'm not.

[Jackson Claude]

I think she could still go regular, but, like, I don't think it's this guy, but I think she's going down a good path.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. And this is just how she should be using her celebrity. Like, love it.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Love it.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, my God. I keep forgetting that I'm the one doing the stories. I'm like, girl, move on. Like, why are we still talking about this? No, I'm like, it's a good story, but like.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay, change the subject.

[Jacqueline F]

My bad, my bad. Okay. Oh. We have been talking extensively about the sale of Warner Brothers and hbo Max. And the hostile takeover. And now Paramount might raise their bid for Warner Brothers by 10% after now going hostile. So Paramount, Skydance, which is like, the parent company of cbs. Viacom. Is it Viacom? Yeah, mtv, like, all of them, is raising its offer for Warner Brothers. Discovery by as much as 10 as it plots its next move to break up a merger agreement with Netflix. David and Larry Ellison, who created. Oh, I didn't realize it was a father, son duo, or husband and husband. No, it's brothers. Oh, right. They created Paramount. Skydance, with a media merger over the summer, are now poised to bump their all cash $30 a offer to as much as $33 a share. So it's three more dollars per share. According to a source close to the situation. The raised offer, which amounts to now nearly $86 billion, would easily cover the $2.8 billion breakup fee, worth about a dollar of share that Warner Brothers would face if they break up the Netflix deal. Then they have to, like, pay a little bit of a fee, a breakup fee. So now Paramount is covering it. Paramount is, like, so desperate.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I know this is big news and big business, and it means a lot for the shifting sands of the entertainment industry, but it's a little too much for my foggy mom brain to compute at the moment. Like, one, the numbers and the shares and the hostility of the takeover, extremely hostile. And two, like, what it means for the content and the streaming services. And, like, who owns what. And, like, oh, my gosh, Netflix is gonna have Harry Potter. I don't really. I can't think that far of, like, what that means, you know?

[Jacqueline F]

Okay, but did anybody else, like, open up Netflix? And now the first thing that pops up is HBO Max Original show Love and Death. Remember that Elizabeth Olsen show with Landry from Friday Night Lights, which was very good. I watched it. It's. It's on the home page now. It says HBO Max Original. Like, did the merger already start?

[Jackson Claude]

I think for them it did.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. Netflix is just like, girl, I don't know. Yeah, we're getting to work.

[Jackson Claude]

Possession is 9/10 of the law.

[Jacqueline F]

It's true. And, like, Paramount's doing a lot. And I am rooting for Paramount because, like, this would make Netflix, like, a super streamer. No one would be even close to the amount of subscribers they have. And it's like, let others have fun, too. And competition is good for the consumer. And if Netflix wins, if Netflix wins, we're all just going to be, like, subordinates of Netflix and they can raise their price. We can't do anything about it because they have everything.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

So the fact that there are so many streamers does keep pricing competitive, even though it seems like every streamer is just going up and up and. But if it.

[Jackson Claude]

It keeps content competitive, like, you want to make Something good.

[Jacqueline F]

Right? So I am rooting for Paramount. I think it's good to have, like, multiple. And I know what. Well, yeah, we. Nice. If everything's on Netflix and we all just pay one streaming service, then we're back to cable where we're all paying a hundred dollars a month. Like, it's just, you know, same new toilet.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

And so I'm rooting for Paramount. Go, go. David and Larry slay. Let me know how I can help.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, yeah. Like I said, it's a bit high level. Yeah. You know, I'm just, like, down here.

[Jacqueline F]

Like, timing your feeds.

[Jackson Claude]

That's the most amount of math I can do right now.

[Jacqueline F]

All right, so, okay, I'll bring you, like, news that is so beyond mind numbingly stupid. How's that?

[Jackson Claude]

It's my favorite.

[Jacqueline F]

About, like, one of the worst individuals on the planet, Lover boy founder Kyle Cook, was caught shotgunning a Truly.

[Jackson Claude]

I have to just tell you something. Like, this is exactly what I want to talk about right now.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Perfect.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

Did you talk about the trailer yet for Summer House?

[Jacqueline F]

I did. I think I spoke about it with Joey Commaster, who needs to be a new cast member on Summer House. That was our overall takeaway.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I love that.

[Jacqueline F]

I did. Let's.

[Jackson Claude]

Let's take it from the top trailer.

[Jacqueline F]

And then I'll tell you guys the Truly thing and explain why it matters.

[Jackson Claude]

Trailer dropped. Trailer looks good.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, trailer looks good. And I saw people on Tick Tock saying, like, why does this trailer feel so different? And it's like, because they're out of the house. Like, almost all the. The footage is not in the house.

[Jackson Claude]

It was that why it felt different. I just felt like, really, you know, for a while, things have been, like, static. You know, people have been, like, married or in a relationship. And, like, this is like the biggest shift we've had in a while. One, it seems like Kyle and Amanda are on the rocks again. And. And the rumor mill has been saying for the last few weeks, like, they're living separately. So this trailer seemed to be a confirmation of that because of the 6am.

[Jacqueline F]

Thing at a fan's house.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Then Lindsay is back and she's like, in a totally new head. She's like brand new Lindsay because she's like new mama, but also like a cast member. Again, I don't know if she's living in the house, but, like, last summer she wasn't drinking, so she's like, not doing that much. Carl, like, is dtf. It seems like kissing girls at the table.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jackson Claude]

Sierra West Jesse, like, the triangle lives on, continues, and sort of like the constrictions of last season where he's like, dating Lexi. So no one's like, moving on any. Like, everything's just moving. It's free moving parts.

[Jacqueline F]

And the big sort of story from the trailer is that Amanda shares with the ladies that Kyle, you know, a couple of weeks prior, like, didn't come home. He came home at 6:30 in the morning and he was at a fan's apartment. He claims he fell asleep. And now everyone's obsessed with this story because it's so crazy.

[Jackson Claude]

When I watched the trailer, I thought she said a band's apartment, that he was hanging out with the band. I was like, oh, how loser he. And so I didn't ever have the reaction of. Then people started saying fan. I was like, oh, my God.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. And so now everyone's like, what night was this? And it reminds me a lot of when Morgan Wallen was, like, supposed to be in a bubble for SNL and ended up going to the bars on Nashville's Broadway street and ended up in random people's houses. And all these, like, Snapchats of, like, Morgan Wallen walking through somebody's suburban home went viral because now all these old Snapchats and Instagram stories from that night are coming back where the girls who. Whose apartment it was were like, kyle cooks literally in our apartment. And it has a time stamp on it. It's 5:30am and one of the photos that really went viral was the time being 5:30, the scrub being like, Kyle cooks in our apartment and he's holding a. Truly shotgunning it. Why is that a big deal? He drinks a lot. He drinks a lot of his own beverage. Now, Kyle Cook famously allegedly got Hannah Burner fired because when they were on the show, Hannah Burner, you know, started getting a lot of Instagram followers. And with that comes brand deals. And one of the brands she was offered was truly. She, of course, took the money, did the ad, and Kyle, like, made it his mission to get her fired because it was a competitor to lover boy. And now here he is drinking a trolley.

[Jackson Claude]

It's just, like, funny and ironic.

[Jacqueline F]

You know, I was reading comments and somebody wrote. Somebody wrote. I can't. No poetic. Somebody. Somebody wrote. I can't remember where I heard this, but I heard somebody once say that all the castmates pour out lover boy and just, like, put their drink of choice in the cans to, like, be supportive. Because I did think it was weird that they're always drinking these, like, insane, like, Cosmopolitan, Espresso, Teeny. And it's like you're in a bathing suit. Who wants to drink like that sugary crazy ass drink? And like, there's so many bottles of like rose and tequila. I'm like, why are they always. Do they really like it? And once I read that, I was like, oh, that's definitely what's happen.

[Jackson Claude]

So interesting. And I mean, you don't always want something carbonated at the very least, of course, maybe you want something flat. Flat. That's very interesting. And also, like, they can't use the labels of other things on the show.

[Jacqueline F]

Right?

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, if we pour it in this can, like, then it's not an issue. And we're not. We got like blurred out of the scene or whatever.

[Jacqueline F]

Right. I thought that was interesting.

[Jackson Claude]

That is interesting tidbit.

[Jacqueline F]

And then of course, the truly of it all. What do you think about Kyle and Amanda? I've kind of like flipped my. My tune.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Like, do you share this yet?

[Jacqueline F]

I said it with Joey, but like, I've just been thinking about it a lot because obviously it's like year after year after year, it's a girl. Get away from him, get away from him, get away from him. Like, literally since he cheated on her, like, even before that, everyone was like, he's not a good boyfriend, he's not a good fiance, he's not a good husband. And it's like, he's horrible. Like, you're dealing with depression and he's out partying. You're doing this. And he, like, he's just awful. Like a really bad human. But she clearly loves him so much. Like, only you would only stay with somebody who's so, like, crazy when you love them so much. And like, I don't know. Kyle is who he is. I think the expectation, like, just sort of waiting for Amanda to do this thing that, like, she's not gonna do. I don't know, I'm just kind of over it. I'm not like, demanding her to leave him.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, but you read it as, she loves him so much.

[Jacqueline F]

Why else would you say married?

[Jackson Claude]

I don't know. There's other reasons to stay married.

[Jacqueline F]

Because, like, what, like, financial?

[Jackson Claude]

No. I don't know.

[Jacqueline F]

Or like, like lazy.

[Jackson Claude]

It's just, it's. It's a lot like, and you want to make it work. And I don't know. I. I don't read it as like, she's like, so in love with him. She barely likes him. And as Bethany said, if you don't love it, you don't like it. Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

But, like, I don't know. I. I imagine that after all this time, the reason that they are still together is love.

[Jackson Claude]

No, like, for him.

[Jacqueline F]

What else? Like, seriously, what else?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I don't know.

[Jacqueline F]

So I don't know. Just, like, demanding that, like, Amanda's. Now she's gonna leave him. It's like you said that last year. Like, I don't know, it's just like.

[Jackson Claude]

Kind of this is like, their relationship.

[Jacqueline F]

Right? Like, it is what it is. He is who he is. He's. And there's never really any real ramifications for his behavior. Right. Like, it's like, kyle, you shouldn't do that. But, like, I don't know. I feel like she doesn't really care. I feel like the audience cares more.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

So I don't know. You know what? I kind of ship them.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jacqueline F]

I don't know. I just. Like, what? We could say it again. Like, why is she with him? Like, because she loves him.

[Jackson Claude]

So it's like, she.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Why are you with your man?

[Jackson Claude]

Like, where you're planted, Blue where you're planted. You think that her heart sings for him?

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. I have to imagine that it does, honestly.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jacqueline F]

What do you think?

[Jackson Claude]

I don't. I don't. That's not the read that I got, you know?

[Jacqueline F]

Okay, but so, like, why else would she still be with him? She's so much cooler. She's so much better looking. She's this, like, young, hot thang, famous gal. Like, she's financially independent. Like, I don't know.

[Jackson Claude]

I never really thought about it. Like, why not think about it?

[Jacqueline F]

And then I think you might come to the same conclusion that I've come to. So, like, like, she must, like, really, really love him. And you know what? We should be championing true love, even though he is my nemesis. Like, I do believe that they should stay together. I do.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, wow.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Do you think they are together right now? What do you think about the rumors?

[Jacqueline F]

I don't know. They keep, like, making these tick tocks, like, playing into the rumors, and it was all at BravoCon and they won't confirm. I believe it has something to do.

[Jackson Claude]

With the show and the new show too, in the city.

[Jacqueline F]

Right. At this point, I'm just so conditioned to them. Like, any normal person would be like, oh, that's divorce. That's a reason. But I don't know. They've survived worse. I don't know. I think they're together. Yeah, I do.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I've been watching a lot of reality TV and it's like, you know what? I don't even want to know what's going on right now. Like, I want to watch my show totally.

[Jacqueline F]

But I want to live in the universe, and it's like.

[Jackson Claude]

It's like. It's entertainment. Like, I want to watch the show. I'm watching Real Housewives of Salt Lake City now. And it's like, I don't want to know what anyone's up to right now. I want to watch my show.

[Jacqueline F]

Jen Shaw's free.

[Jackson Claude]

Jen Cha's free. She's not coming back to Bravo. And he has said, like, left, right, and center. And I don't miss her.

[Jacqueline F]

No, but I am.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm watching the season with Monica. I feel like I'm about to be at the park. They just went to Bermuda. I think I know something of what happens. But as you guys know, on the show, I've avoided spoilers of, like, Monica gate for years.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

The chickens are coming home to roost. And I'm so excited. And I know this. This franchise has been good. We just, like, haven't been in it. And it's nice to be back with the ladies. It took me a couple tries, but I'm here. And right now this season, like, I'm Team Lisa. That's who I do.

[Jacqueline F]

You know Bronwyn?

[Jackson Claude]

I've not met her on the show yet, but I've heard of her in the world.

[Jacqueline F]

Well, she's getting divorced. That was, like, a story.

[Jackson Claude]

I saw that. I don't know what that means.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay, well, you will soon enough, my darling. You will.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know if they have kids. I don't know nothing.

[Jacqueline F]

Fifth and Final Story.

[Jackson Claude]

I like it. You know what?

[Jacqueline F]

Of course. Yeah. I'm just watching my show, Fifth and Final Story. Like, literally me, I'm watching my program.

[Jackson Claude]

The only show I don't feel that way about is Southern Charm, where I'm, like, dying not to text anyone and be like, who's dating?

[Jacqueline F]

What's the tea? Yeah. Fifth and Final Story is Taylor Swift's first two episodes of her documentary came out, and there's quite a lot there. I was trying to avoid spoilers because I haven't had the time to watch.

[Jackson Claude]

It yet about what's in it. Even though we haven't watched it.

[Jacqueline F]

Yes. Just because she is talking about the Vienna terror threat. She's also talking about the Liverpool attack. And she gets really emotional. Like, she's crying in the. In, like, the confessional and then she's also crying because she met with like a bunch of the families and then I think before a show and she's just like crying in her costume. So. Taylor Swift teared up in her new end of an era docu series while reflecting on the darker moments from her record breaking tour. In episode one, an emotional Swift addressed the thwarted terrorist plot that led to her canceling the three scheduled ERAS tours in Vienna, she said, I thought this would be a tour I would be proud of. It's like a force to be reckoned with in a global culture. So never in my life did I think that we would have a terrorist plot. She said during a sit down interview in London where she would be resuming the tour mere days after the threat. Noting that this isn't her first concert, she tearfully admitted, but this was the first one. I feel like, I don't know, I'm skating on thin ice or something. We've had a series of very violent, scary things happen to the, to the tour, like we dodged a massacre situation. So I've just been kind of all over the place. She reflected. We dodged a massacre situation. She cries. She shares that she met with the families. And I remember at the time when we were talking about especially the Liverpool attack, how heavy that must be on Taylor and I don't know why. I just never thought we would hear from her. This is. And I would have totally respected her decision to never share with us what that was like and then her thoughts on it. So I, I didn't think that this is what the documentary was going to be, honestly.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, but I guess if they were filming her in like real time during the shows and that was like a major thing that happened. And even with Vienna she put out a statement but like didn't harp on it like too much. Like kind of like got back to the shows and again, like she doesn't have to say too much, but given that she's doing a documentary of the tourists, like it is interesting to see like how it, how she felt about it and like how it happened.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jackson Claude]

But that's really heavy. I, I hadn't, I guess I didn't think about like what we would get on this documentary. So I hadn't even thought about that.

[Jacqueline F]

Me neither. I thought it was going to be like a little bit more shallow, being like, well, here's how I choose what outfit to sing with what song, because there is like a lot of intricacies around like the mashups. And I'm sure she could have done a 10 part series and we all would have watched it and loved it. That was like a little bit more surface level.

[Jackson Claude]

No, but given that she's like filming interviews in real time, like she went to London, like is doing a confessional. Yeah. She has to talk about like what happened. We might have realized that it was taken out if we had watched it. But no, it's not like a regular concert DVD where it's like we're filming footage from the show and then in a few months she's going to reflect on all of it. It's like it's hap. She's filming herself as everything's unfolding. So it does make sense that it was included because I'm sure it also like changed the tone of her experience. Like, I'm sure it just kind of like also she had that tragedy in South America. Right. Where someone passed away or some.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. From like Heat.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. So that just sort of like just changes your mood and your vibe. So addressing it makes sense.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, of course it sounds. Did you see that her Spotify wrapped video went viral?

[Jackson Claude]

No.

[Jacqueline F]

So I'm sure you guys saw because you got it from us. But when you got your Spotify wrapped from your favorite artists or your most listened to podcasters, a lot of people were able to send videos to their fans if you were in like the top 1% of listeners. And so the top Taylor listeners got a video and it's like, thanks so much for great year. Love you, bye. And Taylor's was like, oh, thank you guys so much. And she then she started promoting her new documentary and her docu series and it went really viral being like, Taylor Swift can't even like thank her fans without just like promoting something. And it's like, you know what? Yeah, like that's my capitalist queen right there. Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I have to see the video. But it's like, does she really worry that the top 1% of her fans are not going to be watching that documentary?

[Jacqueline F]

Right, right.

[Jackson Claude]

Is that really a concern?

[Jacqueline F]

I don't think so.

[Jackson Claude]

So why?

[Jacqueline F]

I don't know.

[Jackson Claude]

You know why. Yeah, I got a big from video not for my number one artist because he's long dead Tchaikovsky. So I got one for my number two artist, Peppa Pig. And she was really, really thrilled that we spent the year listening to Bing Bong Boom.

[Jacqueline F]

What did Pippa have to say?

[Jackson Claude]

She's like, thank you so much for.

[Jacqueline F]

Listening to my music.

[Jackson Claude]

My brother George and my sister Evie are so excited that you like us.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Like, she's.

[Jacqueline F]

You really sound like, her.

[Jackson Claude]

I know. And what's funny is we were reading Paddington the other night, and I was, like, trying to explain accents, and so I was trying to do a British accent. Like, I literally. I froze.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh. It's like. It's like sometimes when you're, like, singing.

[Jackson Claude]

For your kids, you get, like, embarrassed. And now here I am. Like, thank you.

[Jacqueline F]

So. No, that was really good. Well, if you add our Spotify wrapped video slay. Thanks for support. And that was. That was pretty cool.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that was pretty cool to see.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Spotify wrapped this year. Like, a mess for me. It's just an app, of course. Also, I just need to, like, I need to defend myself and my family. We don't listen to that much Peppa Pig, but just the songs that we listen to are very short and you know how it goes. Like when they want to listen to a song, we, like, listen to it on repeat. And all of a sudden, like, the streams are getting super high. Plus, we do a lot of our, like, driving in Zach's car. So, like, if he.

[Jacqueline F]

It's not your account.

[Jackson Claude]

Actually, we should make one account. I should just my account. Because if that were the case, like, Rascal Flats would have been my number one album. We listened to it all summer. I just, like, need to ex. Like, just hold myself accountable.

[Jacqueline F]

I'm gonna cut to a quick ad break, and then let's take a look at the year at a glance, would you?

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jacqueline F]

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[Jackson Claude]

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[Jacqueline F]

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[Jackson Claude]

Thank you, Turtle.

[Jacqueline F]

A pleasure. So those were the fast five. How did you feel that I did?

[Jackson Claude]

I feel that you did good.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes.

[Jacqueline F]

I can't lie. I'm excited for you to come back. I hate choosing the stories.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. Thank you. But it's also funny how like the dynamic of the show is different based on who's reading the stories. Like when you're the person reading the stories, it's like I'm the other person to react. So I feel like I have to have these big reactions where it's like totally have the big reactions and so much more fun. I don't know. I had a blast. I had a blast.

[Jacqueline F]

Jax, tell me about your year.

[Jackson Claude]

I mean, it was a beautiful year. It really was. We welcome. I welcomed a new nephew, a son of my own. You know, it was. It was a pregnant year.

[Jacqueline F]

It was a. It was a big year for the big girls.

[Jackson Claude]

It was a year of growth in every set sense and. And a lot of beautiful personal growth this year. So I've just. It's been a lovely year.

[Jacqueline F]

It's been lovely to have you back.

[Jackson Claude]

And it's been lovely to have you back because this year was also your maternity leave and so the girlies were a little bit apart this year.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. Shout out to the toasters for sticking with us from two maternity leaves in one year. I feel as though we slayed the house down boots both times. But of course, everyone just wants Jackson turned original recipe. And we love that you love it. It. So thanks for the patience. Thanks for the love and support. Thanks to everybody who tuned in this week. I mean, this week. Well, this week, yeah. But also this year it was great getting to connect digitally with our community. And this is. While it is our final toast episode of the year, we still have one. Our Jenny McCarthy interview, which is coming up next. But also five episodes on Patreon. It's always a good time to be a Patreon member. You guys, I've been saying this and.

[Jackson Claude]

We'Re gonna do a lot of at a glance on Patreon this month because we do have to do, like tonight, top stories of the year, our favorite stories that we discuss. Like so many things that we. Oh. Do annually. So there will be a lot of good content on the toast post personal. Because we'll be together and like pop culture if. If you don't really like us that much and you more so like the stories.

[Jacqueline F]

I don't feel like there are people that don't like us.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I guess in thinking at a glance, like this year held the most change for the show.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

The frames was that this year it was.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, my God, it's only like the summer.

[Jackson Claude]

So like, oh, okay. This year, like, if you made it through till today, like, things will be a lot, you know, I think more calm in this next year. So the frames are here to say Jackson Claude, like, I'm so glad we're.

[Jacqueline F]

Over, like the frame hate era from everyone. Like, now the frame of their time.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yep.

[Jacqueline F]

Much like Shakespeare was he. Yeah. He wasn't appreciated in his own time.

[Jackson Claude]

They say about him. Wasn't he like, selling out theaters?

[Jacqueline F]

No, I think, like, they were like, okay, good luck with your plays.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And I think it was probably like low brow.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. It was considered like reality TV trash.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And now it's like, well, we actually consume trash, so that's good.

[Jacqueline F]

Right? The bar has been lowered.

[Jackson Claude]

Beer is good. Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

So with that, we'll bid you adieu for the final time this year. I hope you enjoyed this. This interview with Jenny McCarthy. She was fab and she like, totally knew and respected the toast, which I love. Like, sometimes people come on and they don't know and they're just like, oh, this is so great. But she, like, knew it all. She, like, knew I had a good singing voice. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, she knew you had a voice. Your voices reached the ears of Ms. McCarthy.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. She was like, you have a good singing voice, right?

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, wow.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. Yeah, I, I like, I said I, I dabble.

[Jackson Claude]

I like to say that's what it sounded like, probably. Okay, cool.

[Jacqueline F]

Can't wait, guys. Enjoy the interview. Thank you so much for listening to the toast of Man I'm morning show. We deal with the fastest stories you need to know every Monday through Friday. And YouTube. Super watching is on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast anywhere Podcast any found so Spotify, June Stitcher, Public Radio, Castbox, all the places we listen to podcasts review about a beautiful setting, about how wickedly talented we are. Hope you guys have an amazing end of year. Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanzaa. We love you all.

[Jackson Claude]

Love ya. Excuse.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, I forgot that that's not my thing to say. Hey, hey.

[Jackson Claude]

For the final time this year on the regular show. Because I'm sure I'll say it on Patreon. Love ya. Bye.

[Jacqueline F]

Welcome back to the toes. I am so excited to be sitting down with my final guest of the year. Ooh, spooky. It's Jenny McCarthy.

[Jackson Claude]

Hey, girl. Hey.

[Jenny McCarthy]

You know what they say, Save the best for last. Save the best for last. Thank you. I was excited to do your show. I love you. I think you're awes. Oh, my God.

[Jacqueline F]

Thank you. I love you. I was just listening to you in the Skinny Confidential podcast where I feel like I got your entire life story in 90 minutes. They did such a good job and you're so dynamic. I wouldn't when I was. How I'm going to introduce you. I don't even know what to call you.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I'm not sure either. I ask myself that every day.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. Like, are you. You're a business founder, you're a wife, you're a mother, you are a host. You have a background. I mean, I literally forgot up until when you did Skinny Confidential that you were on the View.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Right. I'm hoping most people forget that part.

[Jacqueline F]

Was that the worst time of your life?

[Jenny McCarthy]

It was really difficult. I mean, I know I've talk about this before, but, you know, everyone has done a job in their lifetime that just didn't match. If you haven't, you've dated a guy that just doesn't match.

[Jacqueline F]

It doesn't fit.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I was hired initially to be a pop culture kind of, hey, get to the Bachelor this week. Kind of fun. Bring the light to the View because they thought it was getting polarizing. Barbara, unfortunately, did not like that new Avenue after week and went back to political polarizing fighting. And I could not handle that as a human being.

[Jacqueline F]

So you just get like stuck there.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I got stuck there for a year. Yeah. Yeah. So it was. I would literally at night, when I'd fall asleep at night, you know, that was when you're falling.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Literally be like, Donnie's like, your body's having earthquakes. From the amount of stress, I'm sure they'd Be like, let's talk about the hostage negotiations and whether the United States should pay for people that are. I'm like, I was hired to say who's the best dancer on dates.

[Jacqueline F]

That's awful. And then they don't help you. Right? Like they just sort of threw you in.

[Jenny McCarthy]

They don't help you until they change that. Then they would have someone come in the room and try to give me political opinions. Now, if you're haven't watched 24. 7 political news, it's really hard to be a commentator. Like, give me a good five years and then maybe I can come back. But when your job, literally and even on Masked Singer, My Lane, I'm in. I'm hired as the pop culture guru. Oh, that's so true.

[Jacqueline F]

I always forget you're so dynamic. Like, when I think of you, I think of it. And probably not what everybody thinks of. Everybody has like their Jenny McCarthy thing, for sure. Minus the fact that you met your husband on watch. What happens live like that is the craziest thing. And I don't know if you know that nobody on the entire planet in the world is a bigger Blue Bloods fan than me.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Come on.

[Jacqueline F]

I literally visited the set. Like, I'm a Danny Reagan.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Stan.

[Jacqueline F]

I'm upset. Was obsessed with that show. So good. Like, I. The lore goes really deep with me.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Oh, I love that. So are you watching Boston Blood?

[Jacqueline F]

I know he has a new show. I am watching it. I'm very excited for him. I didn't know who of the cast was gonna get a spinoff. Kind of a big deal that it was a big deal.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And as time goes on. Cause my mom's like, I need to get to know the new family more. I'm like, you will. And you will love them. I know the episodes that are coming up that you guys haven't yet. And they're brilliant.

[Jacqueline F]

You guys are so cute together too. Was Andy coming at your wedding? Cause he kind of introduced you to your wedding.

[Jenny McCarthy]

No, he was like, jenny. Cause we were gonna have him do the vows. You know what I mean? And we were like, we're one of those kind of couples who are like, we don't wanna bug people. And Andy would've been like, I would have loved to. I'm like, really? We just didn't know.

[Jacqueline F]

So were you guys both guessing?

[Jenny McCarthy]

We were guests. And that night I thought. For some reason I thought Donnie was married. So I wasn't. I say, too flirty. Because sometimes I could be. You're just yourself. I could be my mtv Kind of, you know, footage Danny, like, oh, you're not bad on the eyes. Wink, wink. But not flirty. Cause I thought he was married, right? But at the ending credits of that episode, you literally see me pat him on the back and I go, you know what? You're a really nice guy. Then four months later, I had my VH1 talk show because I've had many different variations of myself doing things. And he was one of my guests. And I'm like, let me do a little homework. So I'm like, reading. I'm like, I don't see who he's. He's not married. Oh, I wonder if he's dating. I'm going to get that out of him. Because, you know, as an interviewer, you wanted some clickbait. So I'm interviewing him and he was just like, no, I'm not really seeing anybody. Which to me meant he just didn't break up with anybody. He was just seeing people. And then as the interview went on, it was only supposed to be a four minute, six minute interview. It was 90 minutes.

[Jacqueline F]

Do you guys ever go back and watch either of the segments?

[Jenny McCarthy]

All the time.

[Jacqueline F]

You do? Okay, like, thank you for being normal, because I would too. I feel like some famous people would be like, no, we never lost all.

[Jenny McCarthy]

The time, especially on our anniversary anniversaries. But usually we probably go back and watch it like seven times a year. Because when we're laying on the pillow, if you haven't seen it, please look up the. It was the Jenny McCarthy show on VH1, where we're laying on the ground licking poly lollipops, talking to each other. We both say this. It literally, the way we're talking to each other is exactly how we talk to each other. Now. It seems like we've been married for 11 years because we sound exactly like that now. So it's really bizarre.

[Jacqueline F]

That's so cute. And also just like you being a pop culture expert and obsessor while also meeting your man on, like, it's literally a dream for like a pop culture swirly.

[Jenny McCarthy]

We could be a Hallmark movie. You could.

[Jacqueline F]

You also had a big show on radio at Sirius XM for a while.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Long time.

[Jacqueline F]

You have so many different eras right now you're in your masked singer era, which, like, my dream. I've always said, like, I love to sing, but I love to also criticize people singing.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Like, I would like.

[Jacqueline F]

I like. I'm like a Simon Cowell of sorts. Whenever I meet someone, I'm like, oh, you sing. Let's hear it. So you being, like, a judge on that type of show, is that the. I imagine it's the best job in the world. Just, like, sitting and hearing people sing. And you have the privilege of pretty much listening to mostly good singers, Correct?

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah. The reason why I love this job, too, is because we actually give flowers.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I'm not a mean girl.

[Jacqueline F]

Yes.

[Jenny McCarthy]

You know, if someone can't sing, this is what I usually come back to with, you are so brave to come out here, girl, and have that kind of courage, you know, because I feel like there's enough people giving insults and criticism, and it is hard to come out there, of course. Especially if you're not a singer on this show. So I like giving the flowers, and I don't like being a meanie. So that's. And again, I'm not the one that's supposed to give the critique.

[Jacqueline F]

Right, because you're not the singer expert. You're the pop culture expert.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Right. I would say something like, I just watched your story and your clue package, and it moved me so much, and I see the growth that you've had, you know? So that's where I come into play.

[Jacqueline F]

And what is your, like, rate of successful guesses? Because when I watch the show, I think. And I know everyone. I know everything. Like, I watch every show. I watch everyone's Instagram stories. It's really hard. Like, I don't think I've ever watched a clip or seen someone. I feel like, maybe. I guess, like, when she. Nisha was on. But besides that, I really. It's much harder than I think someone would think it is.

[Jenny McCarthy]

It's much harder in the studio, and I'll tell you why. Because we don't have speakers by the guest panel, so we are relying on the bounce of the sound off the walls. That's why we all look like we're deaf.

[Jacqueline F]

We're all like, oh, yes, you do do that.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Because there's no speakers by us, and that gives us a disadvantage, so we don't immediately guess who you guys are. Now when you're at home, it's so obvious who the person is. And we have to go through social media where people are like, you idiot, can you.

[Jacqueline F]

I just want to tell you, I don't think that it's obvious. When I've watched it, I'm like. Like, I have no idea.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jacqueline F]

But also, you cover a wide range of people. You have, like, lots of athletes, like, lots of different generations, and there's a.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Lot of athletes who can sing.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So there's a lot of surprise people. And there's also. We have some amazing artists who are supposed to be able to sing, who then can't sing without their autotune. And we don't guess. We think that they're athletes.

[Jacqueline F]

And do you believe that everyone who is performing, because you can't see them, you believe they're really in there? Like, they are for sure.

[Jenny McCarthy]

They're 100%. Because. Do you remember that movie back in the day called Game Show? There was a movie.

[Jacqueline F]

This is.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Oh, my God. You guys have to watch this. There was a movie and there was a documentary at first, but there was a game show back in the 50s, 60s. Someone can help me. Where they were feeding someone, Mr. Joe Schmo, the answers. So he would win every.

[Jacqueline F]

Of course. I know this story. Yes, yes.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So then he got to be the most famous guy in the world. He won all this money. Money. Turns out they were feeding them. Then a law came into play.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So that's why we have legal people, standards of practices, and game show authority. People that are literally hovering over us while we are voting. So it's like we can't even whisper. I can't be like, yo, Ken, who do you think you want?

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, you don't deliberate with one another?

[Jenny McCarthy]

No, no. I can ask them afterwards, but it's pretty private.

[Jacqueline F]

And so how many people do you think you've successfully guessed?

[Jenny McCarthy]

Okay. And you've been on the beginning average. Yeah, since the beginning. I would say if everybody else gets about 15% correct, I would put myself at 30%, 40%.

[Jacqueline F]

That's pretty good.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Not bad. Cause there's a lot of time. Secret. Shh. Close your ears. Fox listening. There's a lot of times where I might guess too soon, and they'll remove it out of the edit.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, yeah. Because you don't want to give the people at home, like, the answer basically right away. Oh, interesting.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So there's a lot of times where I'm like, damn those Fox executives for.

[Jacqueline F]

Removing my guests, because they'll never know that you actually got it right.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And you guys, I am psychotic, competitive. I literally. I've had executives come in my dressing room almost every season, sit down with me at a table, and say, you need to calm down. You need to calm down. I'm like, I'm sorry. Was it my job to guess who's underneath the mask? But I take it to the level, like, there's an Academy Award at the end of it.

[Jacqueline F]

I appreciate that.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So I. I won. They had the golden ear trophy. I won, like, four of them. Wow. So they got rid of it because I keep winning it. I'm like, but there's something fun in.

[Jacqueline F]

That also, of course, like, competition.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And I said, listen, these bozos next to me only Google themselves. I am in tune to everything that's going on in pop culture. Yes, you are. So I deserve those awards.

[Jacqueline F]

So, like, four years ago, my agent was like, you can you send me a video of yourself singing? And I said, sure. I thought you'd never ask.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Like, yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

And she told me later on that it was for the masked singer. And they passed on me. And honestly, like, I don't know if I could do it, but I think I could win.

[Jenny McCarthy]

By the way, I've heard you sing before, and I think you would not only win, you would dominate.

[Jacqueline F]

I think so too, because it's. And I feel like I'm one of those unique people. It's cool that you guys have, like, obviously, you know Amber Riley, one from Glee, like, she's the best voice ever. Like, we knew that. I think the fun of the show is when you see, like, somebody who's an athlete or somebody who's a comedian who has an amazing singing voice, and that's me. Like, I'm not a singer by trade, but I'm telling you, I have an amazing voice.

[Jenny McCarthy]

You have an amazing voice. I mean, would do you think you would ever do it? Like, of course, because can you let me know when.

[Jacqueline F]

Well, that was my other question. Has anybody ever, like, dmed you being like, I'm coming on?

[Jenny McCarthy]

No, never.

[Jacqueline F]

It's very illegal.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Right. Sherry shepherd came on, and she walked on the stage. I go, I know that walk. And then I text her. I was like, yo, what state are you in right now? And she's like, I'm in New York. And she showed a picture of me, a selfie with New York behind her. And I was like, that's someone that's just like. That's pretending to be Sherri Shepherd. So she threw me off, even though I tried to choose.

[Jacqueline F]

Is it true that the show is based on, like, a Japanese.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Korean.

[Jacqueline F]

Korean.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Korean show?

[Jacqueline F]

Because it really is such, like, a crazy.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Right.

[Jacqueline F]

Concept.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Do you think people will guess you?

[Jacqueline F]

Yes. I mean, my. If you read my podcast reviews, it's everybody being like, oh, my God, Claudia, you're singing voice. Please stop. So I'm always singing. I actually have released two pop songs. So I do think the listeners of the Toast, if I was on, like, I think they would get it instantly.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I think I would get you Instantly.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. And like, I don't know.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I mean, I'm saying that, but now I'm gonna. If you ever come on the show, I'm gonna feel like a real idiot.

[Jacqueline F]

Well, now, if I ever come on the show, we'll have to out reach, replay this clip back.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Right?

[Jackson Claude]

Right.

[Jacqueline F]

Maybe you guys could use it as a little clip. It's just like, my dream job to, like, sit. I've always, like, when I grew up watching American Idol, X Factor, those types of singing, like, talent shows, and to me, it looks like the most fun job. You're in this big chair. You look gorgeous. You get to, like, just watch everyone and give your critique, and you're sort of like. Like a godly figure.

[Jenny McCarthy]

What costume would you think you would want to be? Because you can pick your costume sometimes.

[Jacqueline F]

So I have thought about this. I do think I would be like, like a King Charles Cavalier. Oh. So I have.

[Jackson Claude]

Have.

[Jacqueline F]

Well, okay, so I have a King Charles Cavalier now. His name is Romeo. He's not, like, I don't love him so much, but I had, like, my soul dog who passed away a couple years ago. Two years ago, like, yesterday. And we are obsessed with King Charles Cavalier. I had one growing up, and I think because they do like animals, right? I think I would be like, yeah, dog.

[Jenny McCarthy]

That's beautiful. See, I would be a cheeseburger.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, they do food, huh? Okay.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

I love that.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I'm a Wahlberger.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, right. Oh, my God. Your lore is so deep, Jenny McCarthy. You're also part of the famous Wahlberg family, but you also eat really healthy. Do you eat Wahlbergers?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I do. I'll eat the meat only.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay, so you're not vegetarian. You're like carnivore, right?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I was. I was. I tried being a vegetarian, but my body will not allow because I have so many issues. So I did Carnivore for about six months to reset my system. It was the greatest thing I ever did for myself.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, really?

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

But you, like, you don't stick with it, so you're not supposed to stick with it.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Oh, I didn't know after a certain amount of time.

[Jacqueline F]

When did you become a mom?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I was 29, because I thought everybody should have a baby before 30. Okay.

[Jacqueline F]

Like, literally me, I was pregnant when I was 29. I was like, thank fucking God. That's so interesting. How do you feel like being a mom is a part of your identity in terms of your career? Because I feel like a lot of women love your book. You talk a lot about now. Like, menopause and perimenopause. Why do you do, like, why do you feel like that's something you want to explore beyond comedy and stuff?

[Jenny McCarthy]

You know, I always wanted to be a mom. I wanted, like, four kids. And then when I gave birth to my son, you know, you always hear people say, like, oh, just wait. Your love is going to grow so immensely. I had no idea the chamber, the extra chamber that would grow in my heart. The moment they handed me my son, I was like, this is what life's all about. Totally. Like, we are as females, we are creators. We create a human being. I literally, every day was like, I'm going to be the greatest mom in the world. And. And that's all I wanted to be from that day forward. I'm like, I'm going to take every job that would help you. I'm going to work so hard to be a great mom. I'm going to love you to pieces. And now it's just. That's all I work for, I live for. Just want to be the greatest mom. Protect him.

[Jacqueline F]

And you also have, like, a blended family, which can be tough.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yes.

[Jacqueline F]

What's the secret?

[Jenny McCarthy]

Giving it time and being good role models. And what I mean by that is initially, you know, Donnie and I both had a son that was in the same age group, and that was.

[Jacqueline F]

Was.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I'm gonna say, like, they were both freshmen in high school.

[Jacqueline F]

That's a tough time.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Tough time.

[Jacqueline F]

Tough time for boys, especially.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And then, you know, we mo. We weren't like, don't kiss me. Don't. Let's not kiss each other in front of them. We were like, no, no, no. Let's model what healthy, loving relationship looks like. They might be, like, cringe, but so.

[Jacqueline F]

Is every teenager, 100%.

[Jenny McCarthy]

But we want to show them. And. And it wasn't by sticking to that, by having love in the house and being an example of that. It was so quick. Oh, really? It was so quick. And, you know, they both had their own identities. You know, my son being special needs, wasn't in competition.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So that really kind of was helpful. And now they love each other. That's so nice. It's so nice. I'm so lucky.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, I love that. I mean, you and Donnie are just the best. I feel like on social media, he has, like, so. I mean, I'm a part of, like, the Blue Bloods family, which I feel like is, like, small in comparison to his new kids on the block.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Oh, yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

Like, what is it?

[Jackson Claude]

Like?

[Jacqueline F]

You go to their shows and stuff. But it's really. I don't wanna use the word cult. Cause that has a negative connotation. But the fandom is very intense. And they're like people who have been fans of him for 40 years.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Like, it's his sisterhood. Is it crazy? It's unbelievably beautiful. And let me explain why. When I first started dating Donnie, I was like. I was like, oh, I forgot. What if his fans all hate me? What if I'm like running down a street and they're throwing cans at me?

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jenny McCarthy]

When I learned about the outside of that, I'll get to that. This is the most incredible. Like, I go, there needs to be a documentary on Donnie's blockheads. They are sisters. And what I mean by that is they all have gotten to know each other for the past 40 years. They fly in for reunions with each other.

[Jacqueline F]

That's really cute.

[Jenny McCarthy]

When one has cancer, they fly to that city, take care of that mom, raise money, fundraisers. It is unlike anything I've ever seen.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. And it's so underrated when you think about, like. Like, we're in like, Stan culture right now with like so many crazy artists. The Swifties, like, they're always fighting with one another. You really forget about the blockheads. They go deep.

[Jenny McCarthy]

They go deep. And then them taking me on, accepting me, has been like the most beautiful. Donnie's like, wait till you start meeting everybody. And I've been doing pop ins for my beauty brand, which we'll talk about later. And I've gotten to meet them all one on one now and literally makes me cry because they're such beautiful people.

[Jacqueline F]

You didn't get any hate in the beginning.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Well, there might have been two that have been like, you know, you, plastic surgery face. So plastic surgery. I'm like, I've heard way worse in my 35 years now in this career, I'm like, it's fine. But they're all just been lovely. If there's any haters now, they're. They're definitely quiet because the sisterhood would go attack the one.

[Jacqueline F]

When you read SiriusXM, did you ever, ever go on the Howard Stern Show?

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yes.

[Jacqueline F]

And was that in his era of like. Because he's so rehabilitated now, he's, like, very cultural and he's very cosmopolitan. But there was a time where it was, you know, different side of the times. Yeah. When you went on which Howard was it?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I was on during Old School Howard and then I was on during kind of. I would say the more Transitional. Where he is kind of now kind of playing place.

[Jacqueline F]

And what was that like?

[Jenny McCarthy]

Less, like, more interviewy now? Yes.

[Jacqueline F]

He's very deep now.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I read his book.

[Jacqueline F]

I thought it was one. Like, he's very. Not at all what you would expect when you say people can't change. I mean, look at Howard Stern. It's insane.

[Jenny McCarthy]

It's. He's. By the way, what people don't know is when the camera goes off, he might be, like, very, like, boisterous, maybe on camera, or, like, bold and brave and ballsy. When you. When he shuts down the camera, he is very kind of sweet and, like, just a super kind of meek, nice guy.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

He's like.

[Jenny McCarthy]

When I see him in the hallways, they'd be like, hey, Howard. He'd be like, hi.

[Jacqueline F]

Wow, you were really ahead of the times with your radio show, like, doing pop culture. I feel like now that's literally what we do. Would you ever do a podcast?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I am, actually, yes. Starting probably in the fall of next year, it'll be a little bit of a hybrid between talk show and podcast.

[Jacqueline F]

I was shocked when I learned that you didn't. I just kind of assumed that you did. Is there a reason you haven't done it yet?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I. I. Because I did Sirius XM for seven years. Then Mass Singer came about, and they moved us to two seasons a year instead of one.

[Jacqueline F]

On the Mass Singer.

[Jenny McCarthy]

On the Mass Singer. So I kind of said goodbye to that serious. And was like, I can always come back now. Mass Singer is one season a year, so that leaves me a lot more time. And I was like, this is a great opportunity. I miss interviewing. I want to be back in it. So I'm getting back in the game.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, I love that. Okay. And so pop culture wise, what are you into right now? What shows are you watching? What stories are you following? Are you a Swiftie? Like, I need to know everything. Okay.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I'm gonna be really honest, and I don't want the Swifties to come hate me, because there is a happy ending. Okay. I've never been a Swiftie.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay.

[Jenny McCarthy]

There's been some catchy songs back in.

[Jacqueline F]

The day, of course.

[Jenny McCarthy]

But my friends love her. And there was that recent song, Fatal of Ophelia, that I saw people doing this TikTok dance to. So then I'm like, oh, my God, this song is so catchy. Then I find myself, like, singing the song all the time that I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna buy this song. Cause I love this song so much. Right now. And I went to buy it and said, Taylor Swift.

[Jacqueline F]

And I went, oh, my God, you didn't even know it was Taylor Swift.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I didn't even know it was Taylor Swift. So then I had to call my friends. I go, guess what? I am like when I'm like, I'm a swifty, I like her so long. You know what? I will say I'm rooting for the them too, as a couple. I'm so happy she found him. I think he's going to bring everything that was missing in her life totally. And it's just like, it reminds me of just like an old school romance back in the day, you know, it's very traditional. Very traditional. And I want her to have babies. I want her to start singing about stretch marks.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, my God. I said, because I literally just had a baby. And I've been a Taylor Swift fan, like, since day one. And I love that she writes about the things that I have laid, lived, and dealt through with my whole life from, like a perspective of we're similar age. And I kind of, like, selfishly, I need her to have a baby.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I know I did. I literally said the other day, I go, she needs to have a baby now. Because that's where all of her peeps are. And you need to hear, we want her to go through the transition that we all have as mothers, which is, oh, my God, it's not about me anymore. When you realize you are living for this human that you created, life shifts. Your paradigm shift is upside down. Those little things that used to bother you are nothing once you become a mom. So it'll be interesting to see how her music changes.

[Jacqueline F]

Totally. And I just want to say I'm so ready for it.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Breastfeeding.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, right.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Breastfeeding.

[Jacqueline F]

Did you breastfeed?

[Jenny McCarthy]

No. I tried it for a day and I was, like, so paranoid about having implants that I was like, I'm scared before I had them already. Yes. I was like, what if there's a leakage in the tubing? And which there isn't. But I was so paranoid about that that I didn't do it.

[Jacqueline F]

It's easy to get paranoid. Day one. I'm still on my breastfeeding journey.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Bless you.

[Jacqueline F]

I'm always talking about it.

[Jenny McCarthy]

That's why I would breastfeed for many.

[Jacqueline F]

Years if I. Yeah, it's just hard because, like, I know everyone's so sick of me talking about this. It's really hard to lose a baby weight when you're breastfeeding.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

And that's currently what I'm just sort of grappling with.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah. But so worth it. I'm telling you. The immune system and your baby is going to be light speed and against everybody else.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay, other pop culture. What do you make of Harry and Megan?

[Jenny McCarthy]

That's a great question.

[Jacqueline F]

Thank you.

[Jenny McCarthy]

You know, in my old age here, I try to look at it from a different perspective. It gives you a little bit more wisdom. And I, I, I feel, I have an empathy for them, a sympathy for them, because I know what it's like to be in the public eye. It's awful. My diagnosis, though, of Megan is possibly there might be a bit of narcissism in there. Right.

[Jacqueline F]

Cause a normal person would step away.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah, step away. But this is the thing that I think that bumps everybody is the hypocrisy of, like, wanting to get out. And if she wanted on All Mary to get out, because if I lived in the house that they were going to put me in, this moldy cabin, I'd be like, get me out here. I need a Starbucks across the street.

[Jacqueline F]

That little cottage. That was so funny when she described it.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

No, I agree with her.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And then I saw pictures and I.

[Jacqueline F]

Was like, oh, yeah, she was not kidding.

[Jenny McCarthy]

She wasn't joking. No, I'd have gotten out of there, too.

[Jacqueline F]

Agreed.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So. And then if she would have gone up to dismantle the Royal Family and they could have been 100% worth dismantling, you just don't go then. And then try to have people say, the Duchess of Sussex who's entering the room. Right. That is where you're going to lose your audience.

[Jacqueline F]

Audience. Yeah. It doesn't feel authentic.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And then she's also really trying to brand herself as a solo kind of. Megan, Megan, Megan, period. A Susie homemaker, whatever you will. And on the flip side, I do know that, you know, she's a human being, a mom trying to maybe make a career. I don't know where they're getting. Does Harry get any money? I don't know.

[Jacqueline F]

The money is very. Because they live a very expensive life. They live in Monica, like, well, that.

[Jenny McCarthy]

House is not cheap and they have.

[Jacqueline F]

A bunch of projects, but a lot of times they don't finish those projects. Like, she famously didn't finish her Spotify podcast, her second podcast. He has a book deal for three books. He's only released one. Like.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Right. So, you know, that's why I feel like that money could run out.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, definitely.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So she could be having a panic of, I need to make a brand Real quick so we can sustain our lifestyle.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, I just don't think the jams are going to sustain the Montecito lifestyle.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I don't think so either. And that's. I don't think so either.

[Jacqueline F]

Did you ever live in la? Cause you live in Chicago. Yeah.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Oh, yeah. I lived in LA for 20 years. Oh.

[Jacqueline F]

Loved, hated, hate.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I did not like it.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, wow.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I didn't like it. You know, I'm from the Midwest. There's a Midwest sensibility of, you know, just like this down to earth. You know, sit on the. Sit on the porch, you drink beers, the kids catch lightning bugs. That does not happen in la. In fact, you don't know your neighbors in la. Totally. So I. I got out of Dodge when Evan turned 8. I was like, I need my son to play in firehouse hydrants. Ride the bike down the street where I don't think he's going to be kidnapped. And playing the fire hydrant, that's really cute.

[Jacqueline F]

I agree. Next, pop culture. Are you into TikTok at all? Like, do you know the players well, Alex Earl?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I don't know the players.

[Jacqueline F]

You don't know the players? Okay. So did you watch Dancing with the Stars this season?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I did.

[Jacqueline F]

Do you feel like Dancing with the Stars is kind of a competitor to Mass Singer? I was having this conversation with somebody who. She was an influencer and she's an amazing singing voice. And I was like, would you ever go on the Masked Singer? Because we both agreed, like, we can never on Dancing with the Stars. It literally seems so hard and I feel like it's really similar.

[Jenny McCarthy]

You know, I think it's similar in terms of possibly casting similar celebrities. We do a lot of crossover, but I guess it would. If you were dance. If you were Dancing with the Stars viewer, you might be a masked singer. Viewers all. We might attract the same people, but I don't look at them as competition.

[Jacqueline F]

Interesting.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

What do you make of the Kardashians? You watch your show?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I do watch the Kardashians.

[Jacqueline F]

You do?

[Jenny McCarthy]

So do I. I do love the Kardashians.

[Jacqueline F]

I know you've interacted with them over the years.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yes, I did skims. Me and Carmen Electra did one two summers ago, I think.

[Jacqueline F]

Iconic.

[Jenny McCarthy]

It was pretty fun. I showed up not knowing we were going to be doing a 90s old school, like red Corvette water hose. I was like, I would have bikini waxed everything if I known I was crawling on all fours. But nonetheless, it turned out great.

[Jackson Claude]

Right.

[Jacqueline F]

Was that a high paying gig?

[Jenny McCarthy]

You know What? It was a fair paying gig. It was fair wage. Uhhuh. It was fair. But I do love watching the show. I love Chloe. I want Chloe to branch outside her family for guests.

[Jacqueline F]

She's definitely like scarred from this whole life. It's very shocking to watch her cuz she's always been like the most confident, loud one. And in recent years it's very clear that like she's scarred. She's scarred from fame. I think she got probably not the brunt because Kim has always been more famous. But so much of the negativity when it comes to like people who hate the Kardashians, they really come for Chloe and her looks for so many years.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Think about the trauma that she's gone through. Just outside of that, of course.

[Jacqueline F]

Then there's like the lamar and everything.

[Jenny McCarthy]

100. So she's, she's got a, she's got armor and I know that armor. But she doesn't want to let. Let anybody else and she doesn't even go out, you know what I mean? But I'm hoping that her podcast, she kind of introduced more people. Like I would love to do her show totally on there, you know. And this is where I think that in my brain I go, like, I could totally be friends with Chloe. You know what I mean? We all think we could be friends.

[Jacqueline F]

With Chloe, but that's why she's everyone's favorite. She's so real. What do you make about the sisters? I feel like every season we have this conversation, but it feels more than ever like they're so, especially Courtney and the others, they're so distant. Like there is such a weirdness in their relationship and of course they're all on different paths. Kim is like in her hustle era. She can't stop taking different gifts gigs. And Courtney's the total opposite, breastfeeding her 8 year old. So what do you make of like the sort of shift and that there's really like a divide between them?

[Jenny McCarthy]

There is. I think therapy is its own main character in the show. Kim might call it the nemesis.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jenny McCarthy]

In it. Because I, I do think there's some truth to when Courtney got into therapy. I will say she found her voice.

[Jacqueline F]

Yes. It was a good thing for her until a certain point I feel, I.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Think, and I can understand, you know, in therapy where you learn, hey, maybe my mom cheating on my dad caused me of resentment from my mom. And now I have, now that's why I don't, you know, I don't get along very well or I'm not as close, I should say. So I think therapy is causing a lot of stuff to come up.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And the Kardashians always talk about that. They learn to just brush things under the carpet. I think as time goes on, we're going to see now that they're all in therapy, things come to a head even more.

[Jacqueline F]

And I feel like the show has gotten better because there was a couple of years at the end of the E and then the beginning of the Hulu where, like, it wasn't my favorite. They were just, like, fake storylines. I do feel like they're sharing more now.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Now, now. Let me just dive into this for a little bit. Second. If we can dissect. This is. Is.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I'm always interested how Chris, like, roots for the exes that have hurt. Oh, my God, the daughters. I'm mind boggled by that now. You know, it's like, why aren't you with Lamar? Like, get Lamar back. Or, like, Scott should be invited to everything. It's like, mom, did you see. Did you watch the other episodes back in the day? Like, I gave him so many chances. I've moved on. I don't want my ex. Do you want, you know, Caitlyn to come here? And she's like, mm, good point.

[Jacqueline F]

So it goes back to that, because I feel like the girls all talk about how amazing it was that their mom and Robert Kardashian after the divorce, it was a little, you know, rough for a while, but overall, they had an amazing childhood with both parents in the house, even though they weren't together. And they talk about how amazing that was and how much they appreciated their mom putting aside their differences. And I feel like now she's just taken that too far, the way she's, like, keeps all these toxic men around, and some of them, like, are the kids dads? So I understand it to a certain point. Me too. But she's doing too much.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Too much, too much.

[Jacqueline F]

Agreed. 100%.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I. It's important to get along with the baby daddies, but not, you know, inviting.

[Jacqueline F]

Them over to, like, watch a movie in your bed. Exactly. My final question for you is, do you watch Bravo?

[Jenny McCarthy]

It depends which show. I mean, I'm watching the Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Jacqueline F]

Okay. And what do you make about Rachel Zoe?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I love her.

[Jacqueline F]

I think it was a good choice.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I think it was a great choice. You know what? She's given an honest perspective on divorce.

[Jacqueline F]

Yes.

[Jenny McCarthy]

She's not holding back. We love her style. I think that she's not scared to use her voice, but she's using it also. Not in a mean, harsh way yet.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah, because I'm. I'm remembering Rachel Zo, the show on Bravo where she was, like, really mean. That's not at all what she was giving.

[Jenny McCarthy]

No, no.

[Jacqueline F]

She seemed lovely and she's wealthy and stylish, and that's not a friend.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah. Mind you, coming out of the gate, you know, everyone send out their representative. Like, she's putting, you know, she's showing her. Her boundaries a little bit. Like, you know, don't come for me so quick because I've got. I'm tough.

[Jacqueline F]

Yeah. But the thing about the Beverly Hills women is that, like, there is definitely a hierarchy. Like, people don't mess with Kathy Hilton because she's Kathy Hilton. And I feel like people aren't really going to mess with Rachel Zoe. Nobody wants to be on Rachel Zoe's shit list. Like, they're not dumb. These.

[Jenny McCarthy]

No one wants to. And I want to be stabbed by her. So I would be like, oh, free advice. Does this bag go with this?

[Jacqueline F]

Have you ever been approached for any of those shows because you've done reality tv? I have, but you've been for, like, Housewives, Beverly Hills?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I've been. I've been approached now for Bethany. Actually, this is kind of old news, but Bethany emailed me and said, I'd love to have you to come on to the Housewives of New York.

[Jacqueline F]

When she in the original or when she came back.

[Jenny McCarthy]

When she came back.

[Jacqueline F]

Were you living in New York?

[Jenny McCarthy]

I was. I was like, girl, I'm living in Jersey.

[Jacqueline F]

I'm living in Hoboken.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I don't know if ever, but, you know, no one lives in the city that they say they're from.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jenny McCarthy]

But. And then also when they were going to do Housewives Chicago, I was asked. But I am. I'm, you know, I'm not housewife. I'm a voyeur of it. I'm a dissector of it. If I was on the show, I'd.

[Jacqueline F]

Be be like, yeah, you'd be recording podcasts.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I would just be, like, loving now if I had to, if times got right.

[Jacqueline F]

Of course, you never know.

[Jenny McCarthy]

You never know. That's why I say never say never.

[Jacqueline F]

Of course.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Any job. But yeah.

[Jacqueline F]

When did you live in Hoboken? Was that during the Blue Bloods?

[Jenny McCarthy]

That was during my serious X seven years. My seven years.

[Jacqueline F]

Oh, oh, oh, yeah. And you were married to Donnie then?

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yes, I was married to Donnie, Yep.

[Jacqueline F]

The life of Jenny McCarthy.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Did you get my beauty package?

[Jacqueline F]

That I did. You're also the founder of a makeup brand.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yes.

[Jacqueline F]

Super clean. Super clean. That's very important to you.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Can I brag about it?

[Jacqueline F]

Go for it.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Formless beauty. I created this out of a desperate need because I have so much stuff wrong with me. I have an MTHFR gene mutation. If you don't know what that is.

[Jacqueline F]

I listened to you on the Skinny Confidential.

[Jenny McCarthy]

60% of the country has it. Especially if you want to get pregnant, you guys, please test for it. Because we were finding that a lot of moms who have kids with autism have this genetic predisposition. Oh, wow. Which lowers your. Your glutathione, which is why they say, don't take Tylenol. It lowers your glutathione. So there is a connection. That's why I think it's really important to tell people. So you want to use products that are super clean because your body can't detox.

[Jacqueline F]

Got it.

[Jenny McCarthy]

So anyone that has sensitivities or just cares about ingredients, like our mascara, is one of the only ones. Not one of the only ones. We are. Very few of them have them out there without the hormone disruptors in there.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jenny McCarthy]

If you are breastfeeding, if you are cautious, if you don't want a diagnosis, if you've got lupus or autoimmune condition like myself, or allergies. This brand we created so clean, and we just launched in sprouts of go you well, I know. So we're in 480 stores. You want to go test it in person.

[Jacqueline F]

And you started totally on your own.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I started with three lip glosses only to see if people were interested in true clean beauty.

[Jacqueline F]

Right.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Because everyone says they're clean, and guess what? They're not.

[Jacqueline F]

Well, the thing is, is. And I've never been particularly like, a clean person until I got pregnant. And I didn't really know that that could expand. I did think a lot of, like, clean beauty was a marketing thing. And I do think that a lot of the products that are marked clean are not.

[Jenny McCarthy]

They're not.

[Jacqueline F]

And I made a tik tok, like, doing my makeup when I was pregnant, and I was using the milk hydro grip primer, and somebody was like, you can't use that. It's not breastfeeding safe. I'm like, I'm not breastfeeding. Excuse me. Pregnancy safe. And I'm like, there's makeup that's not pregnancy safe. I had no idea.

[Jenny McCarthy]

When I go live, so many pregnant mamas come on my channel and, like, I'm Pregnant. I'm like, we made this for you.

[Jacqueline F]

That's so crazy that like you can that like there are makeup products, like what's really in them if you can't use them when you're pregnant? It's kind of chilling to think about.

[Jenny McCarthy]

The parabens, the phthalates. Those are cancer causing agreements for formaldehyde. The hormone disruptors alone, they're still heavy metals. You're gonna find a lot of lead in makeup. So we followed the environmental working group guidelines and they gave us a list of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients.

[Jacqueline F]

And you have none of them.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yeah, none of them. We formed a whole beauty brand around that. That's why we belong in sprouts. Cause people care about ingredients. Ingredients.

[Jacqueline F]

That's very cool. It's called formless beauty.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Formless Beauty.

[Jacqueline F]

Do you feel like maybe you want to make code toast for, you know, maybe 5 or 10 off? Just a suggestion.

[Jenny McCarthy]

I would love to. So why don't we do 10?

[Jacqueline F]

Okay. You guys are welcome.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Yep.

[Jacqueline F]

Jenny, a pleasure. Really honestly cannot wait to just see what you do next. And we're really looking forward to the Jenny McCarthy podcast era. We had the Playboy era. We had the SiriusXM era. We had the reality TV era. We have Math Singer era. But we're ready for your podcast era too.

[Jenny McCarthy]

And then please come on my podcast and please think about mas Singer sometime.

[Jacqueline F]

I would love to just ask me. I'll be there. Like, you know, I'm so desperate and thirsty. Like, yeah, I would love to sing. Also, I sing at the karaoke for like the homeless man outside. I will sing on tv. All you have to do is ask.

[Jenny McCarthy]

Okay, good.

[Jacqueline F]

And yes, I would love to come on your podcast, guys. This was our last interview for the year. I hope you enjoyed every minute of it and we will see you on the next one. Love ya. Bye.

[Jenny McCarthy]

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[Jacqueline F]

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