The Truth About Sojourner: Wednesday, March 19th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast – Episode: The Truth About Sojourner

Host/Authors: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Release Date: March 19, 2025
Description: Take a bite out of The Toast, weekdays with Jackie & Claudia Oshry.

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1. The Importance of Perineal Massages in Childbirth Preparation

Claudia Oshry begins the episode by discussing her recent experience with perineal massages, a crucial part of physical therapy during the third trimester to prepare for childbirth. She explains the process and its significance in reducing the risk of severe tearing during delivery.

Claudia Oshry [03:07]: "Perineal massages are just meant to get the muscles down there ready, stretch, and you're basically just applying pressure to the perineum."

Jackie Oshry adds her perspective, emphasizing the necessity of these practices despite the discomfort they may cause.

Jackie Oshry [06:31]: "It's very possible, like, ripper's gonna rip. It's a big Babylon."

The conversation highlights the balance between preparing for childbirth and managing emotional apprehensions surrounding the process.

2. Understanding Sojourner Truth

The hosts delve into a historical segment about Sojourner Truth, an American abolitionist and women's rights activist. They clarify common misconceptions about her identity and legacy.

Claudia Oshry [12:02]: "She delivered a famous speech called Ain't I a Woman? at the Women's Rights Convention in 1851."

Jackie Oshry expresses admiration for Sojourner Truth’s unwavering commitment to morality and community service.

Jackie Oshry [11:10]: "She was an American abolitionist, an activist for African American civil rights, women's rights, and alcohol temperance."

This segment serves to educate listeners about Sojourner Truth’s pivotal role in American history, encouraging the recognition of her contributions.

3. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH) Recap

The hosts provide a detailed recap of the latest episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, focusing on the dynamics between cast members Leslie Bibb, Garcelle Beauvais, and Andy Cohen.

Claudia notes the shifting alliances and tensions, particularly highlighting Leslie Bibb's confrontation with Garcelle.

Claudia Oshry [13:11]: "Leslie Bibb was on our. Very anti. Sutton. And then Garcelles... was, like, so funny to watch him argue about the drama."

Jackie Oshry discusses Andy Cohen's recurring mood issues and hints at his possible stepping down from his role.

Jackie Oshry [04:53]: "And so, like, me and Ben were talking a lot about this. Oh, my God. Well..."

The recap underscores the ongoing drama and emotional rollercoasters that characterize the RHOBH series.

4. Viral Clip: Tina Fey and Amy Poehler on Celebrity Side Hustles

A viral podcast clip features Tina Fey expressing judgments about celebrities who pursue side hustles despite their already substantial incomes. The conversation between Tina and Amy Poehler sparks debate about the necessity and authenticity of celebrity business ventures.

Claudia Oshry [24:02]: "She revealed which is a new podcast. We didn't welcome Amy to the space yet."

The hosts analyze the backlash and support Tina Fey received for her remarks, exploring themes of authenticity and the commercialization of celebrity brands.

Claudia Oshry [28:18]: "People were gagging over this clip... but I personally found it to be, like, such hater energy."

This discussion highlights the complexities of celebrity endorsements and the fine line between passion projects and profit-driven ventures.

5. Gwyneth Paltrow’s Interview on Intimacy Coordinators

Gwyneth Paltrow discusses her experience working with intimacy coordinators during the filming of her upcoming movie, Marty Supreme. The conversation sheds light on the evolving standards of handling intimate scenes in Hollywood.

Jackie Oshry [33:14]: "And she said, 'There's now something called an intimacy coordinator, which I did not know existed.'"

Claudia Oshry praises Paltrow’s candidness about the new protocols in place, while Jackie reflects on the generational differences in handling such matters.

Claudia Oshry [34:25]: "She looked insanely gorgeous... she's so funny and real."

The segment underscores the industry's shift towards more respectful and professional handling of intimate content, ensuring actors' comfort and consent.

6. Hilaria Baldwin Snaps at Alec Baldwin on Red Carpet

The hosts recount a recent red carpet incident where Hilaria Baldwin openly expresses frustration with her husband, Alec Baldwin. During an interview, Hilaria confronts Alec about interrupting her conversation.

Claudia Oshry [43:29]: "She literally said it."

Jackie Oshry [44:13]: "She literally takes her body was like, this is why we have to cut him out of the show."

The discussion highlights the complexities of maintaining personal relationships in the public eye and the impact of reality TV dynamics on real-life interactions.

7. Gal Gadot Receives a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame

Gal Gadot celebrates receiving her star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, accompanied by her husband and their four daughters. The hosts commend her achievements and discuss the significance of this honor.

Jackie Oshry [47:04]: "When you have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, like, seeing what other celebrities decide to have and come, like, support and speak on their behalf."

Claudia Oshry [48:34]: "Girls looked amazing. I actually loved all their outfits."

The segment emphasizes Gal Gadot’s balanced life as a successful actress and devoted mother, highlighting her graceful handling of fame and family.

8. Jamie King Loses Custody of Her Sons

In a poignant and shocking turn, Jamie King loses custody of her two sons to her ex-husband, Kyle Newman, after failing to complete a mandated six-month rehabilitation program. The hosts delve into the details of the court's decision and the implications for Jamie.

Jackie Oshry [56:57]: "Jamie King lost custody of her two sons to her ex."

Claudia Oshry [60:28]: "I feel like better days are not near for her."

The discussion underscores the severe consequences of substance abuse and the legal system's role in safeguarding children's welfare, expressing hope for Jamie’s eventual recovery and reunification with her children.

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Conclusion and TV Recap

The episode concludes with further recaps of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, analyzing character dynamics, wardrobe choices, and ongoing conflicts among the cast members. Jackie and Claudia offer their insights and opinions on the latest developments, maintaining their signature blend of humor and candidness.

Notable Quotes:

• Claudia Oshry [00:23]: "We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast."
• Jackie Oshry [01:07]: "Kim coated. And maybe like a little. Maybe there's a little she go in there."
• Claudia Oshry [07:04]: "I'm doing like very granola, like things."
• Jackie Oshry [10:33]: "Sojourner Truth. Oh, you're right. It's her last name."
• Claudia Oshry [12:16]: "I actually loved learning that. Thank you so much."
• Jackie Oshry [25:42]: "I'm defending her."
• Claudia Oshry [37:12]: "She's the president of SAG aftra."
• Jackie Oshry [56:46]: "She was granted visitation rights with her sons."

Insights and Conclusions:

• Preparation and Health: The importance of physical and emotional preparation for significant life events, such as childbirth, is emphasized through the discussion on perineal massages.

• Historical Awareness: Revisiting Sojourner Truth’s legacy encourages listeners to acknowledge and appreciate the contributions of influential historical figures.

• Television Dynamics: The in-depth analysis of RHOBH and other TV shows reflects the intricate relationships and personal struggles behind the scenes, offering listeners a nuanced understanding of reality TV.

• Celebrity Culture: The conversations around Tina Fey and Amy Poehler’s views on side hustles, Gwyneth Paltrow’s handling of intimacy coordinators, and the dynamics in celebrity relationships highlight the ongoing discourse on authenticity, commercialization, and personal boundaries in the entertainment industry.

• Personal Struggles: Jamie King's custody loss serves as a stark reminder of the personal battles individuals face and the societal mechanisms aimed at protecting vulnerable family members.

Final Thoughts:

Jackie and Claudia Oshry deliver a comprehensive and engaging episode, blending personal anecdotes with broader societal discussions. Their ability to navigate diverse topics with humor and sincerity makes The Toast a relatable and informative listen for their audience.

Transcript

[Claudia Oshry]

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's your favorite show, the Fast 5.

[Jackie Oshry]

Things you need to know.

[Claudia Oshry]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

I sound amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Welcome back to the toast and happy hump day. Don't forget to hum someone you love. And speaking of somebody I love who is dressed like Kim Possible, you literally look like so possible today. Hey, Jack.

[Jackie Oshry]

So, hey, I'm doing good. I know when I wear this color pants, like, I have to be really careful.

[Claudia Oshry]

You do with your hair slope, your complexion in your hair.

[Jackie Oshry]

And my little redheaded mole rat.

[Claudia Oshry]

Broody, porcelain skinned redheaded women need to be extremely cautious of the color camo.

[Jackie Oshry]

I actually spoke about this in my Patreon shopping vlog because I was showing off these pants and I got them also in a darker color and I was wearing a black top and I was like, I can't wear a black top with this because I look like impossible. But I felt, I felt like I was marked safe because I was wearing a green and white polo. Kim.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but it's more green. Like it's more Kim Possible.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, we cranked up the Kim.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. While it's not a direct replica of Kim's outfit, it's definitely heavily inspired.

[Jackie Oshry]

Kim coated. And maybe like a little. Maybe there's a little she go in there.

[Claudia Oshry]

To be clear, you look amazing. Like it wasn't a negative compliment.

[Jackie Oshry]

The thing is like, Kim Possible is kind of gargy pargy.

[Claudia Oshry]

I just don't want name someone skinnier in better shape like, than Kim Possible. And she was like a full time student. A full time spy. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

And also like doing good. Like a beacon of morality. Morality.

[Claudia Oshry]

And she was constantly saving her community.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's true. Like I should aspire to be like her. I shouldn't run from it. I don't know why I. It's not a comparison that like I welcome. Even though she's really gorgeous and I should step into the light.

[Claudia Oshry]

Step into yourself?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I guess because it's just like, I don't know, because there are other people that I'm like, oh, I would like to look like them. But why not Kim?

[Claudia Oshry]

Why not Kim? She's snatched to the gods. She was always wearing a crop top.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, no, like tiny weight body, yada.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yada, cute face, literally waste. Waste where? Like, seriously.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's so true. And Ron, like would die for her. Oh my God.

[Claudia Oshry]

Ron would have died on the cross for Kim for sure.

[Jackie Oshry]

Obsessed beyond do you think Ron was.

[Claudia Oshry]

At all inspired by Ron Weasley? Now that I'm thinking about it, like, redheaded best friend, sidekick?

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know. I think it might just be, like, a name that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait, was Ron also redhead?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but he was blonde. There's definitely his roots. He definitely has the gene.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, we have a great show today. It's hump day. It's Real Housewives of Beverly Hills day. I'm feeling, you know, I'm feeling different and new.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because you got your massage in your. Because I got my.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I don't know how to. How do you pronounce this word? P E, R, I, N, E, A, L. Perineal.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're asking the wrong person. How do you pronounce this?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, well, I thought you would know because you're very into, like, women's health.

[Jackie Oshry]

I am very into women's health. Thank you for noticing. However, like, when it comes to the perineal, you'll have to ask Lauren.

[Claudia Oshry]

Elizabeth, I think what you just said was right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Perineal.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Because your perineum. Perineum is, like, the area that you tear in when you give birth. And so it's very common to do perineal massages to help stretch, relax the muscles. You know, you start in the third trimester. And so part of my physical therapy journey yesterday was the first session where I got one of those massages. Now, I've heard of people doing them at home. Your partner can help you. It's, like, really not a big deal, but I, you know, I whipped out the big guns, and she gave me one, and then she, like, professional. She gave me, like, graphics to show Ben so that, you know, we can do them at home twice a week. And it was definitely a part of the. The physical therapy journey I was worried about. I can't lie. And I think the word massage is not right because a massage implies, like, there's going to be enjoyment.

[Jackie Oshry]

Finger banging.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's not a finger banging at all. It's on the outside of the vagina. Like, it's just, like. It's not at all a finger ringing, but it's also not a massage on.

[Jackie Oshry]

The phone yesterday, and I feel like I suffered through it once.

[Claudia Oshry]

And, well, the listeners need to know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not for lack of, like, interest or anything. It's just like, take your helmet off at a certain point with childbirth and all that business. Certain point. No, it's none of your business. Like, for a while, you won't feel anything. You won't see anything. Just close your Eyes Cogers. Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course. No. What I'm preparing to do is more so for, like, after birth, because, you know, and I only, like, recently found this out. And I want to shout out to Ashley Darby because I feel like when she was talking about her journey on the Real House as a Potomac, she, like, ripped her whole vagina. So you can. So basically. And Ben was making a crack.

[Jackie Oshry]

Seriously, like, I'm feeling faint.

[Claudia Oshry]

So your perineum is the strip of skin that is, like, between the bottom of your vagina and the top of your butthole. Like, it's like what in a man we call the gooch. And so Ben was calling it a gooch the whole time, and I was cracking.

[Jackie Oshry]

After we were talking about that yesterday, I was parked next to a car that's license plate was gooch.

[Claudia Oshry]

Excuse me.

[Jackie Oshry]

I meant to take a picture, but there was a lot going on in the car, and I had to leave.

[Claudia Oshry]

Gucci is such a crazy word.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's their license plate. That might be, like, their nickname. Hey, gooch.

[Claudia Oshry]

Who would want that as a nickname?

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know. I.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's also known as the abc, the as ball connector. So for women, it's the vagina tushy connector. And that's where you rip. You tear. If you tear in childbirth. Now, if the lucky women, you know, you only tear a little bit. Like you were telling me, you tear a little bit.

[Jackie Oshry]

But it can go industry standard.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. It can go all the way. That's happened to Ashley Darby.

[Jackie Oshry]

Take it all.

[Claudia Oshry]

Some people tear all the way that you don't even have a tissue and a vagina. You just have one big thing, then they sew it up, and recovery is very hard. So these perineal massages are just meant to get the muscles down there, ready, stretch, and you're basically just applying pressure to the perineum. It wasn't a massage in the way that, you know, a typical massage would go. And it wasn't a finger banging because there was no inside work. It was just on the outside.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, thank you for that. I would like to know, since that's.

[Claudia Oshry]

What we call it in PT inner.

[Jackie Oshry]

Work, since we do have this really big focus group of women, it's actually really great to pull them. Has anyone, like, done all of this, the physical therapy? The perineum and still ripped.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's very pop. Badly.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, because it's very possible, like, ripper's gonna rip. It's a big Babylon.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't give a rip.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a watermelon. Like, Coming out of the pea size hole. Yeah. But like, has anyone done everything right and still bad? Like it. Does this actually help or is it placebo? And of course, yeah. It doesn't not help, but doesn't.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I think it helps. I think it helps.

[Jackie Oshry]

Let me know, please.

[Claudia Oshry]

Jackie's just like kind of. It's so not granola of you to like doubt my. I'm doing like very granola, like things. My stretches, my breathing exercises. I would think that you would like it.

[Jackie Oshry]

I would. But at a certain point, like, you're much green. Too much.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I'm. I'm not like putting things up my vagina. I'm just like, you know, putting pressure on the outside of it.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's getting to a point of much going, which, you know, I'm anti much girl.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am the mutchkir queen. Now, much girl is a Yiddish word.

[Jackie Oshry]

For like fussing with something, like always.

[Claudia Oshry]

So, like, the joke is that, like, I'm always mushkering with the kids and that's why they hate me because I'm always like giving them hugs and kisses and they just want run free. When you much girl with something too much, like, oh, your makeup looks good, but you're much great.

[Jackie Oshry]

Stop putting things on my hair. And I just like kept fixing it and much green.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Instead of just like leaving it.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's such a good Yiddish word. And they're really. I know like fussing with is probably the closest English equivalent, but it doesn't slay in the same way.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's true.

[Claudia Oshry]

So what Jackie's saying is like, you know, my vagina is in a very unique state right now. Let's not much care with it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, let's not much care. More than needs much curring, more than.

[Claudia Oshry]

That'S already been much cursed.

[Jackie Oshry]

And like, you go to the doctor, they much curse. They are testing the limits of butchering.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right, right. And that's, that's like kind of the acceptable confines of much green.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I wouldn't add to your load.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And it is a load bearing vagina right now.

[Jackie Oshry]

So that's all it is. I'm anti mushker. I support you, though, and your homeopathic remedies.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, definitely Ben's influence. You know, he loves to hear about what goes on in physical therapy. And I was telling my physical therapist, she's like, well, a lot of people have their spouses and partners do it. Is that something you think your partner would be comfortable with? I'm like, oh, you've never met my partner. He's going to be so excited. Like, he loves. I was telling her that he's like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Central medicine on his podcast.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Oh, speaking of, I don't want to blow up the Good Guy spot, but, like, they're going to do something, like, really crazy. What it might be like, you know what it is. They have an episode coming out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He teased this episode and texted me the name. So, like, people.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, okay. And it comes out next week. And I don't want to be annoying, like, special projects, but the biggest thing.

[Jackie Oshry]

The Good Guys have ever done.

[Claudia Oshry]

I want to say it might be one of the biggest things ever done on a podcast. I'm being dead serious. Like, I know that sounds so crazy, but you'll find out in a few days, you guys. And I just like. Because me and Ben were talking about it this morning. I. I can't get over it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But, you know, don't want to. I don't want to feel it in front of you. Something.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it is annoying. They're doing, like, a secret project, and.

[Jackie Oshry]

That'S really nice of you to hype it up for them.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's. It, unfortunately, is, like, a natural hype. I'm not, like, promoting, you know, that's even worse. I know. I hate when the Good guys, like, do good stuff.

[Jackie Oshry]

They do a lot of good.

[Claudia Oshry]

They do a lot of good.

[Jackie Oshry]

Start a foundation, like, called the Good Guys.

[Claudia Oshry]

They should.

[Jackie Oshry]

Natural extension of their brand.

[Claudia Oshry]

The running joke on the Good Guys is that because they film by coast, silly Josh is in la, Ben is in New York, and they film remotely. They have to do, like, a significant lead time. So I think they're pretty much running, like, a week or two behind. You know, the episodes that's coming out this week was recorded two weeks ago. And so the running joke is like, if you want to hear about the Oscars, like, you'll hear it two weeks after. So Ben. Me and Ben have been talking a lot about this. Oh, my God. Well, the Tracy Morgan throwing up story is like kind of Ben's Roman Empire. Like, he's the biggest Knicks fan. And he was like, yeah, we talked about it in the Good Guys today. Can't wait for everyone to hear it in two weeks. Like, when Tracy's fully recovered out of the hospital.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's such a.

[Jackie Oshry]

Bring it back up.

[Claudia Oshry]

And that's kind of why we will always be better than the Good Guys.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, yeah, we don't.

[Claudia Oshry]

Could our turnaround time be any quicker?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, like, it literally couldn't. Literally couldn't before I finish this sentence.

[Claudia Oshry]

The episode will be up.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's so true.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's Sojourner's truth.

[Jackie Oshry]

You are Sojourner's Truth. You. I am, and you are Cojourner's Truth.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I want to say something about Sojourner, the woman.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do you know her?

[Claudia Oshry]

I have no idea who that is.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think it's time for a little history.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I kind of like not knowing. But is she a Native American?

[Jackie Oshry]

I think so. And what is her truth?

[Claudia Oshry]

I think it's just her last name.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. No, so she. Sojourner Truth. Oh, you're right. It's her last name.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

She was an American abolitionist, an activist for African American civil rights, women's rights, and alcohol, temperance. She died in 1883. That definitely feels more contemporary than I had thought.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, also, like, I thought she was Native American. Not.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, she was born into slavery, but escaped with her infant daughter to freedom in 1826. Honestly, Queenie behavior. And you should be Queenie. Proud to be so.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, now I feel like when we, like, say it, like, as a joke, like, it's not right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. But I also feel like we're bringing her back in. Like, yeah, she might be forgotten to relevance, but, like, we have a huge platform, and I think people should know the name. And not only know the name. So generous.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because we knew the name.

[Jackie Oshry]

I didn't know the story, but know what she's about. No, more so true confusion around Sojourner Queen.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Truth was her last name.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I. That. That part I knew.

[Jackie Oshry]

I thought maybe she wrote a book called so and because it's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because I make it Memoirs of a Sojourner's Truth.

[Jackie Oshry]

So because we keep saying Sojourner's Truth. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

We added a possessive apostrophe. Her name is Sojourner Sojourner Truth.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And what is she famous for? She's famous for her powerful advocacy for both abolition and women's rights. She delivered a famous speech called Ain't I a Woman? At the Women's rights convention in 1851.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Sounds like Queenie of the week.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then there's, like, rumors about her that she had 13 children, but she's known to have had.

[Claudia Oshry]

And what if she did? And what if she did?

[Jackie Oshry]

Even more so Queenie, but then she turns out she has five, so that's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just, like, not the rumor mill, like, ablaze with things about Sojourner and relying on Mistruth. I love that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So that's your little heartstory lesson for the day.

[Claudia Oshry]

I actually loved learning that. Thank you so much.

[Jackie Oshry]

I did, too. And, you know, if nothing else major happens, like, nominee for queenie of the week, 1000%.

[Claudia Oshry]

I already. I was already, like, making a note of it.

[Jackie Oshry]

I actually have my queenie of the week brewing. And, you know, if nothing else happens, she shall win.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, well, hopefully it's a quiet rest of the week.

[Jackie Oshry]

Hopefully. But you never know.

[Claudia Oshry]

We do have the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. I actually thought it was an excellent episode, like, ripe for recapping. Lots of interesting dynamics shifting.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And I watched watch what happens live. Leslie Bibb was on from White Lotus with Garcelle. Did you watch?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I saw, like, all the viral moments via clips. And when she said, who are you, Dorit? Because she asked a very valid question. When Garcelle said that to Leslie, I was like, oh, my God, we're actually.

[Jackie Oshry]

Getting along because they're both on the WB together. They knew each other from back in the day of being actresses. Yeah. But then they were, like, beefing about the drama. Like, Leslie.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think Leslie Bibb is on our.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, very anti. Sutton. And then Garcelles. Garcelle. So it was, like, so funny to watch him argue about the drama. Andy was, like, not happy last night. He was not in a good mood, in a very tense. And, like, just kept talking over them. Like, when they were, like, kind of chatting on. Like, he just, like, kept, like, putting his foot down. Early on in the episode, Leslie Bibb cursed. And I do feel like that's a huge trigger for him because he gets mad that they have to, like, bleep it.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know, but it's not his job to bleep it, first of all. And second of all, a lot of watch happens live these days are not even recorded live. Like, it's possible that this was recorded at noon. So, like, to bleep it out is so not a big deal.

[Jackie Oshry]

They get fined or something. Like, why does he get so mad? And she said it. It was like, in a way, she was answering question. She was, like, being dramatic. So it was, like, a big reaction. So it's, like, funny. And he just, like, his whole mood changed. Coaches.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wow. Really?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So the only problem with that show is that it's really predicated on Andy's mood. And you can tell some nights. And I read it in his book, so then it really made me super aware of it, like, some. And I don't think he does it so much anymore. But he was talking about this time in his life where he would, you know, smoke a Lot of pot or drink a lot before the show. And so you could always tell his mood was, like, shifting if he was high, if he was sober, if he was not. And then he was doing Dry January and he was in a bad mood every night. So his mood is so important to, like, the tenor of the show. And he's kind of like a diva. And so every. I mean, everyone has bad days, but, like, you have to kind of pretend.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. He was, like, not vibing with them. And just when they were, like, having like a girly moment, he would just be like, on to the next reading. The Telepter, like, really angry Spice. Yeah, that was. That's how I feel.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, that's really unlike him with a non Bravo person. I feel like with the Bravo guests, he can, like, he's the boss. Like, he can do whatever he wants. But with Leslie Bibb, who's like this really legit actress and who's also having a huge moment because of White Lotus, you would think he would, you know, put his best foot forward.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And he had said he started watching Light Lotus the night before. He had just started watching the season. So, like, maybe he was just not, like, fully in, like, obsessed yet. It was just like, oh, this random actress. But I don't always.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. And she's not a random actress.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's not like her husband. And he was asking the husband's monologue. Oh, Leslie Bibbs said something that, like, I'm genuinely asking a question. Like, I'm not being facetious because she was talking about her husband's monologue that's gone viral. The lady boy. And, like, the variety and celibacy. And she said that how the monologue was so brilliant. And she said it really, like, captures what this season is about. Someone please explain.

[Claudia Oshry]

I. I'm not someone like, I thought. I thought. I thought we were just having fun.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was like. Yeah, I thought it was like, just an amazing story. This man and his, like, a funny, funny thing. And how is that what this season is about? I'm.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe we have to wait and see.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm asking, I'm saying. I don't. I'm raising my hand teacher. Like, I don't understand. Can you explain it again, please?

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe somebody can sound off in the comments.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's what I'm really asking. Like, I'm genuinely not facetiously, Please. How is that season is about.

[Claudia Oshry]

The rumors are always swirling about Andy, like, when the day comes that he'll step down, and I feel like every, like, you know, year or two there's like, oh, it's happening. He's stepping down. And I saw like a bunch of clips, Heather McDonald was talking about it that she's heard rumors now again that he's stepping down and who's going to take over, yada yada. And while I don't know that this time is going to be the time, there will be that time. Right. And what does that look like?

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel like it doesn't look like Andy Cohen again. I feel like one nobody ever makes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, like the second coming.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think that they might branch off the role into different pieces. Like someone does reunions. Someone does watch what happens live. I think they have a lot of different people because no one ever just makes a hard choice. Like, this is the next Andy Cohen. Deal with it.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Andy, like, say what you want about him. He is kind of a once in a generation kind of brain. Like you can't be everything. Nobody can do. Like the best reunions, the best watch drop inside the best Bravo con. You can't really. It's. He created Bravo. That's why he can.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Do all those things, but an average person couldn't.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And maybe it's someone different for Housewives reunions versus Southern Charmers. And maybe it should be that because he's not as equally invested in all shows and we have someone who's equally invested in all shows. But I think that they'll splinter off.

[Claudia Oshry]

The role, the responsibilities. That's interesting.

[Jackie Oshry]

I would like if they didn't. I would like to have like someone that we could all be excited about.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

But that's just not what's typically done. And I think as that person, you get pretty spread thin. So maybe it's for the best.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. And maybe that's what we were seeing last night reflected in Andy's mood. He was just feeling a little what.

[Jackie Oshry]

We see every day reflected in Andy's moon in every reunion. Like, he's such.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know he is a curmudgeon, but the thing is, is that watch Robin's Live is like not live anymore. I think once a week it's actually live. So the tapings are all like that day or that afternoon. And they're all like, according to Andy's schedule. So it's very accommodating for him. I don't know what. And he does radio Andy. So he has this very busy schedule. And I think all these different part parts of his life, they accommodate him and. And his kind of crazy timeline. And so I don't know that the Mood is an excuse anymore. Like, we've. We've accommodated.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And the moon's like, not an excuse.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. At, like, midnight. You're doing a show every 30 minutes. Now you have kids at home. Like, I understand. Maybe some nights you're gonna be in a bad mood. Yeah, but now it's like, it's noon.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, the past couple of times, people have invited me to come to our shop inside with them. It's like literally 12:00.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, so it's. Watch what happens.

[Jackie Oshry]

I actually feel like it might be harder to get into the energy then.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, that's true. Because it's not like nighttime cocktails.

[Jackie Oshry]

Actually. No, it was live last night. They were doing polls.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. So when they do polls, you know that it's live. Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, There you go.

[Claudia Oshry]

There you go. Well, we'll get into the TV recap at the end of the show. How are the stories?

[Jackie Oshry]

The stories are interesting and varied. We have a lot to chew on today.

[Claudia Oshry]

Interesting and varied. I forgot the most important podcast equipment. My fan. Just give me two seconds. I was charging it.

[Jackie Oshry]

And in those two seconds, I will let you know that it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you need to know. I'm back.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. This little fan from Amazon is the best thing that's ever happened to me and the most important part of my day.

[Jackie Oshry]

The most important part of your day? Is that what you said?

[Claudia Oshry]

Mm.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Well, I'm happy for.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, there's like, I'm sitting in this state of the art podcast studio with the finest equipment money can buy, and the only thing that's truly irreplaceable is this fan from Amazon.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's beautiful.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Please, may.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Our first story, there's a podcast clip that's like kind of going viral that we need to discuss because Tina Fey is admitting that she judges Richard. People who have side hustles. So Tina Fey went on Amy Poehler's podcast called Good Hang with Amy Poehler.

[Claudia Oshry]

She revealed which is a new podcast. We didn't welcome Amy to the space yet.

[Jackie Oshry]

Welcome to the space. She seems like a no brainer for the space.

[Claudia Oshry]

She seems like a no brainer. She has real personality, she's funny. A lot of famous, famous. She has real fans, like people and she doesn't do a lot. So when she does like people, pay attention and she has a lot of famous friends. Tina Fey being one of her first guests and the other One was she launched two episodes, like, with the trailer, which I like. Also, I hate when people announce a podcast. Then, like, wait a month.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, classic.

[Claudia Oshry]

She announced the podcast. Yeah, right. Keeping Up With Sports. She announced the podcast and then released two premium episodes with Tina Fey and Martin Short.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, cute.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, so, like, she's putting in the work. She's got video up. She's doing it. Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. So then they had a conversation because Amy started asking Tina, like, why haven't you come out with your own glasses? Because I. You know, her glasses are so iconic.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

And she said, I have a problem with rich people having a side hustle. She said, if you already have, like, $200 million, I judge it. So they started talking about, like, examples, because she was saying, like, Because Amy was like, like a podcast. She was like, no, because, like, we're working. But, like, if you just come out with a brand of. And was like, rose. Yeah, I judge it. Like, you know, actresses. People with this much money, like, don't need to be doing these, like, random other projects. So this has started a lot of discourse. Most of it, like, really positive out Tina. Because, like, about Tina, greedy. And she's not going to slap her name on anything. But I, at first, when I watched this clip, and then I saw a longer clip that, like, made it make a little more sense. But at first, when I watched this clip, first of all, I couldn't understand, like, who she's. What she's saying, like, who she's talking about, what kind of brand. Because Amy, like, never also let her finish her sentence. Like, she threw in Rose. She threw in a podcast.

[Claudia Oshry]

So to me, like, she was talking about the Kardashians. Right?

[Jackie Oshry]

To me. No, to me, she's talking about Cameron Diaz and her wine brand. She's talking about Jessica Biel and her Kinderlight, which, by the way, I love. So, like, maybe she, as an actress, didn't need to start a clean Pedialyte, but, like, we needed a clean Pedialyte. So thanks, Jessica Biel.

[Claudia Oshry]

So she.

[Jackie Oshry]

To me, she's talking about Jennifer Gardner, Once Upon a Farm, because she talks about the actress with the children's medication. So, of course, yes, she did. Who has children's. Children's parents and who has wine? Like, to me, Cameron Diaz. Avaline is who she's talking about.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. And people were, like, gagging over this clip, like, yes, relatable Tina. Like, not greedy. I personally found it to be, like, such hater energy, because I don't have a problem with celebrities who starts brands? Because actually, the thing I like about it is that you can be the most famous beautiful woman in the world. And JLO beauty flops. Like, it's kind of the great equalizer. And some people who are, like, not even huge celebrities have huge companies. Olivia Munn, being an investor in Poppy, I actually like it. And I felt like the clip was so hatery. And, like, while t. If a doesn't do that, she doesn't not step out of what she got famous for, which was comedy acting. She writes, she produces. She did Broadway. She's the face of a Capital One credit card. Like, she does other things now they're all with. And she. She sees it more as well. Yeah, we're working like Amy, and her podcast is working. So, like, when they do it, it's.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, as opposed to just, like, licensing and putting your name on something. I would say, like, if she's writing, producing, like, that's all in the same bucket of, like, her creative whatever. The Capital One commercials are interesting. If we're not just.

[Claudia Oshry]

She wrote a book.

[Jackie Oshry]

If we're not just here for a money grab, she wrote a book.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm saying she's done things, and they're all connected, but Jessica, Jennifer Garner is a mom, so that's connected. Like, you could connect anything.

[Jackie Oshry]

I just. I think that the distinction that she's making is so, so slim because for. Yeah, like, writing a book technically doesn't fall into this category. When she was saying to Amy, like, where's the line for you? It's like, it's such a small. Okay, so you're saying there's a box of things that Amy can't do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. And some people have done things outside in the box of things that they. You don't think that they should do. Like, okay, yeah, I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

And it felt like. Not to sound just like Taylor Swift, but it sounded like all the people she was, like, referencing and referring to, like, are mostly women. Right. Because this is, like, kind of a girl.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know. It's also like, George Clooney.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, okay. Fair, fair, fair. Because, you know, Taylor Swift did say about Tina and Amy, there's a special place in hell for women who don't support other women. She was talking about Tina and Amy. I don't know. I. Like, people were gagging over the clip. First of all, I didn't think it was that, like, a revolution. Like, why did this clip go viral?

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

It wasn't, like, a hot take or a Good call.

[Jackie Oshry]

Funny is I saw it like organically on reels and then I, and I watched and I was like, I don't understand what they're saying because neither of them have finished a sentence. And then I kept seeing it like being re shared and like people with their takes on it. And I think most people were congratulating Teeny Tina for yes Teeny for this take because it's like, it's anti, you know, green capitalist. And then also Amy Poehler saying, well, Gen Z is like, no, you should have a million hustles. And I just don't think that's what Gen Z is saying either.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't think so either.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, Gen Z is all Luigi'd.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think it's multi generational to like diversify your revenue streams. Like to have multiple incomes. That's just like good business. And I think like any actress would or any like any of the people that she, she's talking about, like, yeah, they want to make money. But it's also that like as a woman you have a certain amount of time to like book certain roles. So to set yourself up nicely. Like, Jennifer Gardner does not have to work anymore in acting if she does not want to. And if she can't, she's not probably getting offered roles like she used to when she was 25. So to have a successful company that you could work on and provide for your family, like, that's great. I, like, I felt like this was so hatery and everybody like, so they're bringing it up like, yes, Tina, give me more. Like I didn't think it was super funny or a creative call or even like a hot take. It was just like, what?

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And I think like the group of people that she's talking about, there are so many people where it's like confusing. Like, are you talking about this person or that person?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And she was making a very specific distinction.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think she needed to cite some examples.

[Claudia Oshry]

A thousand percent.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Because now we're just like thinking about everyone. But I do think other people, like you can make the case why this is what's right for like Jessica Alba honest company. Really? You're gonna say that she shouldn't have done that?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And to be clear, there are celebrities who like slap their names on like pre existing brands that they clearly have no interest in. But you know what the market really like makes or breaks you. So the successful ones, like when you think of the biggest like road beauty.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like that Fenty beauty, she shouldn't have done it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right? Like, and yes. She was a singer, and now she does makeup. Like, so who gives a rare beauty Another billion dollar company.

[Jackie Oshry]

And that's a real slap on rare beauty.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, you think Selena's, like, not super invested? You think she, like, put her name on it?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I think it's like, I think. I don't think she does, like, a lot of the heavy lifting. I also don't think Selena Gomez, like, even do her own makeup, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

No. When I think of, like, when I think of Selena Gomez, like, before rare beauty, like, I didn't think makeup, but, like, with Rihanna, she was always going viral for her looks. For Haley Bieber, she's always going viral for her skin and, like, her glow. And she. She coined the glazed donut term in her Vogue thing. So, yeah, like, makeup was kind of, like, a random thing, but they've done a good job of, like, making the brand very Selena coated.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah. They do a great job.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. But sometimes, like, just being famous.

[Jackie Oshry]

REM beauty, I'm gonna say it's not enough. Not enough.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not enough. So just because. And that's the most fame, literally the most famous person in the world. It's not even about your level of celebrity. It's just about how it's done. And some people do it right, and some people just slap it on. And so, you know what? Like, to Tina's point, like, yeah, it's annoying, but you know what? It's not successful. So that's. It takes care of itself.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. Interesting convo, though.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Next. Gwyneth Paltrow is on the COVID of Vanity Fair, making a lot of news. A lot of news. Making tidbits. She is talking about her relationship with Brad Pitt. She's talking about working with Timothy Chalamet and her take on intimacy coordinators nowadays.

[Claudia Oshry]

And she talked about glaze.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, I missed that one. There's no.

[Claudia Oshry]

She did, like, a vi. They did, like, a video series where they, like, make you watch, like, old stuff you've been in. And she just talked about how it was, like, the most amazing experience and how crazy. It's crazy how three of the castmates are dead, but she met her husband.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. So what's it for with three funerals and a wedding?

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct.

[Jackie Oshry]

She talked about having an intimacy coordinator in her. Lots of sex scenes with Timothy. Timothy Chalamet. She spoke to Vanity Fair as part of her new cover story. And pull back the curtain a bit on her big return to acting later this year in Josh Safdie's Marty Supreme. I can't think of that guy without thinking about Julia Jobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the A20 film stars Timothy as a ping pong protege competing over a 20. A 24.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was like, they rebranded.

[Jackie Oshry]

Did I say a 20?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you sure?

[Claudia Oshry]

Roll the tips.

[Jackie Oshry]

I can't wait to watch. That's my favorite. It's hard to not stop recording. She revealed for the first time she is starring as the wife of a rival professional who falls into bed with Chalamet. Interesting movie.

[Claudia Oshry]

There were a couple of like paparazzi pictures of these two going viral. They're dressed like from the twenties. They, they totally like took this block in New York City and made it look like I don't know what time period it's supposed to be from, but like from 50 years ago. It was really cool. And then Gwyneth and Marty and Marty, what's his name? Timmy. Are making out and these pictures went so viral and interesting to know that that's what the movie's about.

[Jackie Oshry]

So she said, I mean, we have a lot of sex in this movie. There's a lot, A lot. Filming sex scenes with Timothy introduced her to an intimacy coordinator for the first time, although she didn't appear to need one after decades in Hollywood, she said, quote, there's now something called an intimacy coordinator, which I did not know existed. She noted that when the intimacy coordinator asked her if she'd be comfortable with a particular move during the filming of an intimate scene, she was like, girl, I'm from the era where you get naked, you get in bed, the camera's on. We said, I think we're good. You can step back a little bit. She said, I don't know how it is for kids who are starting out. If someone is like, okay, and then he's going to put his hand here. I would feel as an artist very stifled by that. She joked that she cut right to the chase before filming sex scenes with Timothy. She was like, like, okay, great. I'm 109 years old. You're 14.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm sorry. She's so funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

So funny.

[Claudia Oshry]

And she's so real for this. I think she definitely like represents a time in Hollywood where like this wasn't a thing. It's intimacy coordinator is very like new age woke type of thing. And I think that they're good, especially for like young starters in Hollywood. What Gwyneth is saying is like, not me. Like, I've been around the block 100 times. Like, I'm good. You could step back.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's actually more awkward to have someone there.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, especially because she's so much more seasoned and older than him that, like, what power dynamic is at play? Right? Like, he's this young, hot heartthrob. She's this, like, seasoned veteran Hollywood actress.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, they're very professional.

[Claudia Oshry]

Movies need an intimacy coordinator, and this is not one of them.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but I think it's the law now, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

It is. And I don't know why. At first, I found it shocking that she had never been on a set with one. But then also, when I think of her breath of work, she doesn't do a lot of sexy. Like, I don't think we've ever seen her naked. She doesn't do nudity. Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

I. I can't remember. But even if she did, like, maybe she just hasn't done it in the last five, 10 years. And she hasn't been doing as much acting recently as she used to do. So back in her heyday, there was no coordinator.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

So it's just funny.

[Claudia Oshry]

She looked insanely gorgeous. Like, when Gwyneth speaks, like, you listen. She doesn't do a lot of press. You know, she does always make news because, like, everything she does is very interesting to people, but she doesn't, like, talk for the sake of talking. So when she is talking, like, you better listen because she's going to say something funny or interesting.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And everyone takes everything she says out of context. I saw what she said about Meghan Markle's journey into wellness.

[Claudia Oshry]

And what'd she say?

[Jackie Oshry]

So she was saying, like, basically, everyone deserves a chance. Like, go for it, girl. Like, everyone deserves at least one chance to try something new.

[Claudia Oshry]

And it's kind of like what we just said about Tina and Amy. Like, try it and if the market will determine whether it's.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And, like, how you. Like, there's space for everyone. Like, she wasn't raised like that. Like, Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's what she said about Courtney to.

[Jackie Oshry]

Other women as a threat. Like, and the way that the headlines, like, spun what she said, like, it was so not what she said.

[Claudia Oshry]

That must be so annoying. That's why she doesn't do any press. Because, like, everything. Conscious uncoupling.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I think she completely ignores me, too. Those sorts of, like, the derivative headlines off of things that she said. I would love to find the headline because it was just like, the.

[Claudia Oshry]

So not what she said.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not what she said.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I remember when she was on the episode of Kardashians and she was asked about Poosh. It was very similar. Sentiment to what you just said. Like, she really doesn't see. And it's easy to not see people as a threat when you were the first to do it. You're the biggest to do it. You're a billion dollar company. Like, nobody has actually started a celebrity wellness brand that has made an impact or a dent in Goop's, you know, bottom line. So, yeah, sure. Megan, like, come.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Knowing she's right. Like, there is room forever. Like, it's a huge space.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So she's definitely, I think. And when I met her for the first time, that was my takeaway too. She's one of the Miss Most misunderstood people. Yeah. And so when everything you say gets taken out of context. Like, I wouldn't be sitting down to do interviews either.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, exactly. But then I think she also doesn't care. So it's like, here, this is what I think.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so one. It's so unfortunate. She is such a fabulous personality. People don't really know that about her because they see her as like, vagina candles. You know, she's a billionaire. She's a Nepo baby. She's maybe like a little unattainable on the surface, but every time she sits down for an interview and she, like, Kiki, she's so funny and real, and it's sad that people don't see that side of her. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And this movie looks good, by the way. It's called. It does Marty. It's a weird title.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's Back to the Future. Like, I'm so confused. Okay. Because it doesn't sound like the premise that you had read earlier, which sounded fabulous.

[Jackie Oshry]

I look forward to the red carpet and award show appearances where Kylie and Gwen.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are at the same table.

[Claudia Oshry]

I had a similar thought and I completely agree. Like, kind of what Kylie had to do with that girl from Monica.

[Jackie Oshry]

Barbara.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Who played the singer in the movie. You know what I'm saying?

[Jackie Oshry]

She's with Andrew Garfield now.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am looking forward to the table at the Golden Globes. Gwyneth, Brad, Kylie and Timothy. And they may be Brad in his next project. Like a Ryan Murphy that needs Kylie. Kind of how Kim has Ryan Murphy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. It's so true. And also, I wonder who else is in the movie because, like, there's probably at least two other main characters. Like Marty's wife.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. Supplemental.

[Jackie Oshry]

Let me just pull that up. I wanted to write it on my list of things to look forward to with that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it does sound good, but I.

[Jackie Oshry]

Can'T find my pen. Oh, Tyler. The creator and Fran Drescher.

[Claudia Oshry]

What? Oh, my God. And not. Well, you know, then that movie was running like a well oiled machine because Fran Drescher is the president of SAG aftra. What?

[Jackie Oshry]

And a bunch of names I don't recognize. And then Kevin O'Leary.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my. This movie sounds amazing. Oh, my God, this movie sounds amazing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it does.

[Claudia Oshry]

But you just know Fred Drescher, like, heard Gwyneth's statements about an intimacy coordinator and, like, died. Because this is Fran's livelihood. She's the president of sag.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but I feel like Fran can recognize, like, there can be flexibility in the. Because we're working with humans here and everybody's different and people have different needs.

[Claudia Oshry]

So Fran seems very understanding of everybody.

[Jackie Oshry]

As long as there's a person on set, even if she's dismissed. To the corner. Fran did her job right.

[Claudia Oshry]

Check the box. Like, SAG doesn't want to get sued.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, exactly.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, you know, they had that set running like a well oiled machine.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sandra Bernhard.

[Claudia Oshry]

Classic.

[Jackie Oshry]

Classic. Okay. And those are all the names that we recognize, so Kylie and Kevin. I love it.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Gwyneth. Kylie and Gwyneth. And Timmy. Oh, my.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know. You want to make that the title.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, the title I already had. Wait, it was at the beginning of something about Much Curry.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, cute. Much.

[Claudia Oshry]

Going with Kylie and Gwenna.

[Jackie Oshry]

But you're going with Certain Truth.

[Claudia Oshry]

So Journey Truths. Mushkering. We'll figure it out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia Oshry]

What number three? Yep. Yeah, a little bit.

[Jackie Oshry]

A lot of it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Ako Taco.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because Hilaria Baldwin is snapping at Alec Baldwin on the red carpet, telling me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Can I just ask you a question? Is Sex Lives of College Girls a story?

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. I've been, like, waiting to talk about.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's canceled or that's moving.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, no, it's canceled. And now, like, Amy. Not Amy. Mindy is, like, shopping it around. But I thought it was such a big deal. One, because I was just talking about it. And two, like, there was a time where that was seriously, like, the first season of that show is the best television ever made. The second season was fine. The third was really bad. I feel like Mindy Kaling has never made anything that's gotten canceled. Like, everything. She's never made anything that hasn't succeeded.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, all good things come to an end. And it was three or four seasons total.

[Claudia Oshry]

Three.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, that's like, a little short. Like one more.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Could have been, but I don't. Yeah, Nothing lasts Forever. Even though it's only three years. Not even close. But what can you do? College is only four years. So it was gonna end well.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's true. But they're shopping it around. People being like, hulu, pick it up. No, like, I agree the show is bad. Like, it should be canceled. It's just really crazy because you're not used to something.

[Jackie Oshry]

People recognize that something is bad because they just prop up bad all the time. No.

[Claudia Oshry]

And with all the streaming services, it's not like there's limited amounts of slots. Like, cable things used to get canceled because there was X amount of shows and X amount of slots. You could have a million pieces of, like, nothing gets canceled anymore, I would imagine.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's not, like, canceled because it's bad, because, like, they'll go on with a bad show forever. I feel like maybe other people wanted to move on to. And it was like, okay, maybe it's time to move on. People have other things going on, but.

[Claudia Oshry]

They are shopping it around like, they want the show to continue.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, that's so.

[Claudia Oshry]

And, like, Mindy Kaling did, like, a post, like, Black Heart. So sad. Like, like, it wasn't their choice.

[Jackie Oshry]

So, like, literally no one must have watched it except for you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And the people that did watch it so bad. It was like, people didn't really.

[Jackie Oshry]

The viewership had to be so bad.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Right, Right. I guess the difference between HBO and, like, the rest of the streamers is that HBO also. Max. Excuse me. Puts their shows also on their cable network. So, like, there isn't unlimited, because they also canceled somebody somewhere. One of my favorite shows. So they're not unlimited. Like, inventory. Like Netflix and Hulu. They still have to abide by the All. Yeah, the old TV Guide.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

But I was so surprised. Like, not because the show was good, but because, like, what gets canceled these days, that's.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. What gets canceled these days, Especially Mindy Kaly.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's got that Midas touch.

[Jackie Oshry]

Especially when they could just keep punting the ball and been like, next season's coming. You know, like, euphoria. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Which, by the way, I did pick up cameras. They have started filming.

[Jackie Oshry]

Better than admitting defeat.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I was just shocked. And then I know Renee Rap is, like, so glad, really. But the thing is, is that. And, like, she probably thinks, like, look, the show failed without me, and it really had nothing to do with you. Even though she was my favorite character and it would have been better with her. That's not why the show was bad this season.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

But she probably thinks she made the right choice by leaving because it was a sinking ship anyway. But I don't feel like her music career really took off.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think whether she stayed or left, like, would not change where she's at right now.

[Claudia Oshry]

She might have just had a little bit more money from doing the last couple of episodes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess it was Peter. I know. I thought it was a story. I'm so sorry. I was, like, waiting. Peter.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. Our next story are the red carpet interviews between Hilarious and Alec Baldwin that have everyone going viral. She's literally yelling at him, telling him to shut up, and saying, you're annoying me. Hilarious Baldwin put Alec Baldwin on blast for interrupting.

[Claudia Oshry]

She said, you're annoying me.

[Jackie Oshry]

She actually said it. What I saw, she said in plain English.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Because, like, when you're mad, like, you can't control your. Your dad.

[Jackie Oshry]

She put him on blaster, interrupting her during an awkward red carpet interview. She was chatting with Extra about the future of their family show in New York City when her husband chimed in. He said, it's gonna be great. You're a winner. Then she snapped at him, and she said, oh, my God, when I'm talking, you're not talking. No, when I'm talking, you're not talking. She joked that her partner's behavior was why she'd just have to cut him out of the show. She literally takes her body was like, this is why we have to cut him out of the show. And then he walks away. He like, he, like, rolls his eyes, he stands there, and then he just goes to a different interviewer.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now I feel like they. What they think they're doing. Or maybe she. What she thinks she's doing is like, haha, bickering old married couple. Because that is like a shtick, right? And it's funny, but what she doesn't realize is, like, she's so far beyond that shtick. There is something to be said about how you speak to your partner in front of other people, let alone the world. And, like, a camera. And I'm sorry, I thought this was disgusting. As somebody who's always yelling at her husband, like, you don't think I would never.

[Jackie Oshry]

You don't think they're a match made in heaven considering he's always yelling at everybody.

[Claudia Oshry]

Thoughtless little pig, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Medicine.

[Claudia Oshry]

It is nice to see, like, somebody give it to him the way he's given it to everyone else for years. But in the like, if I'm speaking about, like, a marriage, like, whoever it is, like, this is, like, wholly unacceptable way of speaking.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know. I just think that they are so dysfunctional in a way that is functional. Like, they're like, this is their normal. And it's not like, you know, that you're just getting to know each other. They've been together forever. They have seven kids. Their oldest is 11. That means they've probably been together, like, almost 15 years. Like, this is how they operate. They've just chosen to do a reality show. Like, neither one of them is going anywhere. Maybe Alec responds to, like, nastiness because he likes to exude nastiness, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's his native tongue.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's funny how they could give us, like, a window into their relationship that we haven't already seen. It's like, whoa, okay, hilarious. That's a lot. But it's like they have a reality show. Like, this is all on. It's not like they don't show us themselves theirselves. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I guess, like, the shocking part of all this is, like, kind of how the mighty have fallen. Like, not only is he doing a TLC show with his wife, he's on a red carpet getting yelled at in front of everybody. It's like, this was once a great actor, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Crazy.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so crazy. Maybe that's, like, my. My feeling about it, because he's had many different eras of his life. Obviously, like, the Russ. He's going through, like, a bad one right now, but he is and was, like, a highly respected, great actor from, like, a big old Hollywood family, the Baldwins. And it's like, how did we get know? It's so crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's really. Yeah, it is. So I don't know. I don't know either. But I don't think this is, like, a sign of what's to come. I think this is just, like, a sign of how they are.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. No, this is not like, oh, headed for divorce. Because if you. I mean, some people are headed for divorce, and the last thing they do is a reality show on their way out. But I don't think that that's what's going on between these two.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, this is their dynamic that she's pregnant.

[Claudia Oshry]

Pregnant, you know? Yeah. So this is definitely just how they talk to one another.

[Jackie Oshry]

There is a lid for every pot.

[Claudia Oshry]

I also think she's maybe getting a little high off her own supply.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, she's becoming a big star now.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's got a reality for her right here. I was defending her.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. And, like, of the two of them right now, I think she has a little Bit more like buzz star quality than him. Not, you know, if you look at their entire careers, but, like, she's kind of the moment right now when he's taking a backseat, and I think she's kind of, like, living for it as somebody who was the unknown in the relationship. She married a famous, and now she herself is famous.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. There's definitely a lot of dynamics here.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. I can only imagine what their dinner table looks and sounds like.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. Well, you could watch on.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I just want to say the reviews are in for the show, and they are rave.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. That's what I'm saying. It's trending positively for them.

[Claudia Oshry]

I will not be a part of this propaganda machine. Like, you will not get me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

But I'm just letting you know, like, people say it's a great show.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And, you know, the cream rises.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Our next story, number four, if you could handle.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I'm okay with that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Is Gal Gadot receives a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. And she brought her whole family, her four daughters. This.

[Claudia Oshry]

I didn't realize she had four daughters.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, she has four daughters. And her last pregnancy, like, made a lot of news. So, like, it was.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

And in that news cycle, I learned she has four daughters. And I promise then, because it's really amazing. She received her star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame on Tuesday, and her daughter's ages, ranging from 13 months to 13, came alongside her husband. And she gave a very sweet speech. She said, whenever my success grew, I always got pregnant. I needed to ground myself. That's what I tell my agents. It's either I'm making movies or making babies. She said, no more babies. But her husband always reminded her to dream and to be free to do whatever it is that I want to do.

[Claudia Oshry]

My favorite thing when somebody gets a star in the Walk of Fame is, like, seeing what other celebrities, they decide to, like, have and come, like, support and speak on their behalf. So who is with Gall?

[Jackie Oshry]

Vin Diesel.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, right, right, right. And that's like a. A blind spot in culture for me. Like, the Vin Diesel movies. Yeah, but that's so g. Like, she only does, like, billion dollar franchises, you know? True.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, where was everyone else? Like, where was John Hamm? Because for me, like, her biggest movie was Keeping up with the Joneses.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was gonna say, what the hell was she. And with John Hammond.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God. And they were the spy couple. And Keeping up with the Joneses. Isla Fisher, Zach Alpha Knockis.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I know. She's like, yeah, right. And was her Director there her girly Patty maybe.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know if Patty would, but.

[Claudia Oshry]

I wouldn't be able to pick Patty out of a lineup.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Vin Diesel. Yeah. I also think like supporting publicly Gaga doe right now is like a brave thing to do, which is so fudgeing crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So not me saying stanning the out of Vin Diesel. Sign me up. I'm starting Fast and Furious from the beginning.

[Jackie Oshry]

Watching Pacifier on repeat.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, let me say this. I'm glad you brought that up. Every couple of years I need to rewatch Pacif. I just did it so holds up. It is. I know he's known for the Fast and the Furious. It is one of the best movies I. And it's stacked cast wise. Lauren Graham, the principal. It is the most brilliant movie.

[Jackie Oshry]

And the girl is that Madison Pettis.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, the daughter. No, it's like it's the same vibe.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, she was in that other one. The football one with Vin Diesel.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. The tooth fairy with Dwayne the Rock. Which is literally the same. Oh, Britney Snow. Britney Snow is the daughter.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh my gosh. Even stackier.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's Lauren Graham. Yep. It's so good.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So mazel tov, Tagal Godot.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now if you had a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, like who are you asking? Who's the lineup of people to sit in the front row to make speeches.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I'm getting a star like today for what I do now. And I have like my existing network.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

So of course my sister Claudia.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course I'm like introducing you, but that's obvious.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, then like Shannon.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

Lauren Elizabeth. Oh, I love my friend Mary Orton.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

Of course my family will be there.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

That goes without saying. You said friends.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, and I mean like celebs.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, celebs.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, like people have note.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, like my. My fellow influencer friends.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe Raven. Maybe Raven.

[Claudia Oshry]

I like that. Kind of speaks to like you know your roots.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I like that even she maybe would say something nice about me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, like as a mother and friend. I like that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my friends Eric and Melissa.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course. Of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

And. And the only famous. Right? I guess like Dayton is kind of famous.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, she would do it. An acoustic performance of my Judy Brown.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's true.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I love that.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then my. And then all my other friends who are less famous.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, right. The nobodies. They would get an invitation too, but like all the way in the back.

[Jackie Oshry]

Why, who's yours?

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, well, obviously you would introduce me. Of course. But I would really tap into, like, I would definitely ask Gwyneth to come.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, of course.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think that's when it's to come.

[Jackie Oshry]

It turns out she's doing. And it's in California. Maybe she would come right now.

[Claudia Oshry]

I actually think she would come.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

In terms of a musical performer, I would definitely see if Luke is available. Like, I just asked Nico, like, hey, can Luke come?

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

In terms of, like, other celebs like, to speak and just sort of be in the front row. Who comes to mind? Who's, like, a close personal friend? Of course, Kyle, you check has to be there. Of course. When you have so many celebrity friends, it's, like, hard to whittle it down. I don't want to offend anyone, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah. It's so hard.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I don't want to, like, overdo it and be like, what is she trying to prove? You know? So maybe that's enough.

[Jackie Oshry]

So it's just Kyle Usch cheering.

[Claudia Oshry]

You, Gwyneth, Luke Combs and I. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Performing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

But he'd still sit in the front row, like, working.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, no. I would need. I need to. I need to use a celebrity. I need him to be right in the front row.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think it's a great crew.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me too.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe Gary Levox to perform.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you gonna put him to work.

[Claudia Oshry]

Or if he could work or he could sit in the front row.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Your nearest and dearest.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Me, Gary, Luke and the Crow. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story is actually really crazy, like, sad story.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, wait, hold on. No, I'm not ready.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Sorry, I, like, totally lost my. My balance.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, so you, like, ready because of how sad it is?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's because this is brought to you by State Farm. So this episode of the Toast is supported by State Farm. We know that the toasters can agree nothing feels better than a personal win. Like when you get a final piece of furniture delivered to your apartment, your home really feels complete. Or you hit a personal record in a new workout. Perhaps you're a toaster who managed to stop for a much needed iced coffee. And they did have ice. You're not drinking slop, but you still made it to work on time. Well, whatever it is that you define as a win, it calls for celebration. And any idea who's cheering right beside you? Oh, that's right. It's State Firm.

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you/turd.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're welcome.

[Jackie Oshry]

Our fifth and final story was very sad and shocking news. But Jamie King has lost custody of her sons to her ex husband after failing to complete a six month rehab program.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait, Pearl Harbor?

[Jackie Oshry]

Jamie King, Is she in Pearl Harbor?

[Claudia Oshry]

Heart of Dixie.

[Jackie Oshry]

Dixie?

[Claudia Oshry]

Jamie King, Taylor Swift's best friend. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

One of these children is Taylor Swift's godson. Which of course they put in the headline which is like irrelevant but okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh my God. That's so obnoxious. So obnoxious.

[Jackie Oshry]

Obnoxious. There's a lot of details about this story. So Jamie King lost custody of her two sons to her ex. Her suit to her ex husband, Kyle Newman. After failing to complete a six month rehab program, a judge declared that he will have sole physical, physical custody of James, 11, and Leo, 9, who will primarily live with their dad. Per court documents obtained by People, the former couple will share legal custody of the kids. But the filmmaker was granted tie breaking authority, which means he has final say in the decision if they are deadlocked in anything. So she was granted visitation rights with her sons. However, she must be super supervised around the boys after failing to complete a six month drug and alcohol program with weekly testing and Aftercare, a 26 week parenting program, individual counseling to address case issues, and conjoint counseling with minors. According to the magazine, she can only see her children three times a week in specific hour blocks with approved supervisors who are family members of hers and her husband's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

The judge comes month after months after he asked a judge for sole custody of the kids, claiming in a petition that Jamie had been strung out and drunk while they were in her care. There are some details of that incident where like the son called him up and asked to be picked up. She was like drunk and like doing drugs in front of really like, I honestly don't even want to like share because it's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh my God.

[Jackie Oshry]

And disturbing. What's also interesting, they got married in 2007. She filed for divorce in 2020 and at the time she also filed for and was granted a restraining order against him. So. And then shortly after he claimed that she's a chronic drug addict and alcoholic, that she abused opioids for years before her children were born and throughout her pregnancies resulting in one of her sons being addicted to opiates. Being born addicted, like just really, really disturbing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh my God.

[Jackie Oshry]

They tried to put her in rehab in 2020. Him and her friends. She checked herself out.

[Claudia Oshry]

Out.

[Jackie Oshry]

And since.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh my God. I had no idea about any of this.

[Jackie Oshry]

No idea. Since then they've been.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's not like so famous.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But she's.

[Claudia Oshry]

But like, this is one of the. Yes. The fact that she was in Pearl harbor and Heart of Dixie, to me, those happened in two different universes.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think she was a child actress. Right. Which.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know. I feel like Pearl harbor was like her big break. It was a lot of people's big breaks.

[Jackie Oshry]

Interesting. Yeah. 2001. So that.

[Claudia Oshry]

But she never became like huge.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but she's always a working actress.

[Claudia Oshry]

Always in style, recognizable face. Oh, white chicks. Yeah. She's a very recognizable face. And then her friendship with Taylor Swift, I feel like really brought her into the 21st century.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's in my favorite movie that everyone. That is stacked Barely Lethal with Haley Stein.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was obviously a dark time.

[Jackie Oshry]

And now Jamie King.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait, this is the craziest story. Honestly, like, thank God the dad is like, you know, there's one parent who's like eager to take.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And take on all the custody because sometimes that. That's not the case. But. Oh my God, I never would have expected any of this. And then the stuff you said about like when she was pregnant, like, I'm sick.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I'm sick. And usually when I see like a woman has lost custody of her children, like that is like devastating.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And it's. I feel like it takes a lot.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

For a mom to lose. Like courts tend to favor the moms.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But then to like read the details about this and then she's like, just so unwell. Is so upsetting. And I hope that she gets the help that she needs and that she could be back with her children like.

[Claudia Oshry]

In a. I know, but like if the threat of losing your children just to do like a six month course wasn't enough, I don't feel like, you know, better because that's rock bottom.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't feel like better days are. Are near for her.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know, just very upset.

[Claudia Oshry]

What a crazy story. And it's so not to like make everything about Taylor Swift, but. But Taylor's like, kind of, you know, she's known for being like, like a clean celeb. Like she doesn't like, party hard. And I feel like everybody around her pretty much reflects that. It's like, you know, there's not a lot of like partying and drugs around Taylor Swift.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. I don't think when they're with her they do that. But she has some friends who party. Like Cara Delevingne.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, that's true. But who's newly sober.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sophie Turner has a good time, gets down.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but that's different. I feel like Sophie Turner likes have a good time the same way Taylor does. They have, like, a lot of mojitos.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like, a lot of red wine.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah. And like, a vape is crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I'm talking about, like, Hollywood partying. Yeah. There's, like, circles of Hollywood that are very. I mean, like, Charlie xcx. That's why her and Taylor aren't friends. Or they're opposites.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right, Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, Taylor's idea of partying hard is having too much wine and, like, maybe throwing up in the toilet, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Whereas, like, in her house. Right, Yeah, I understand. So I'm just not used to this type of, like, stereotypical Hollywood behavior, being in Taylor's orbit, because she's very clean. Like, her parents are her best friends, and when she's partying, she's already partying with her mom.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And, like, making cookies.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. Like, drunk and accidentally starting a fire because there was a candle lit, like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So, I mean, and they also. They haven't been spotted together in a while. I wouldn't say this is, like, one of Taylor's best. Best friends.

[Jackie Oshry]

Godmother.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's close.

[Claudia Oshry]

Here. This will be. Has Jamie King been to an ERAS tour show?

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, a quick googly.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's, like, a good way to know if they're recently. Because everyone who's, like, a current friend of Taylor of all different levels. The only thing coming up is the.

[Jackie Oshry]

This.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Jamie King sported a sparkly pink cowboy hat. Yes. She went.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So they're friends.

[Jackie Oshry]

And what you're. Because your friends going through a hard time, you stop being friends. Like.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, of course not. But I wonder. This is just incongruous with Taylor's vibe.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Damn.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Very sad.

[Claudia Oshry]

Really? Really. And shocking.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, those were the best five stories. You definitely needed to know that last one. Yeah, they did. But let's dive into the TV recaps.

[Jackie Oshry]

Pick back up Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was a great episode. I love a trip, and I feel like so many. Like, we're kind of at a standstill a little bit with certain fights in the group, because there are these alliances, and I feel like last night was the first time you ever started to see, like, a little bit of a crack, especially in the Garcelle and Sutton one at the end of the episode where everybody was coming at Sutton, and then Garcelle just decided to take a backseat and for the first time ever, not be her mouthpiece. I found that to be shocking. She really, like, hung her out to dry, and she was like, well, that's what she did to me the night before.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I'm sorry. Say what you want about Garcelle, and I have my issues with her. Like. Like her being a dog with a bone with the Morgan Wade thing. Like, I'm so on her side with, like, it's infuriating. Everybody's sitting around being like, mo is on a date. You had a girlfriend for a year. Like, what the are we talking about? You guys are not together.

[Jackie Oshry]

Also, I recently watched some of the footage from the music video, and I realized that we've been citing the music video. Like, you did a music video, Went to the concert. You got tattoos. The music video.

[Claudia Oshry]

We need to go back to sexylicious.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's. I. I just saw a photo where it looks. I. Like, they kissed, and it was like, oh, she. She kissed Morgan in the music video? Like, that's kind of titillating. It's way more than that. Like, it's ongoing sexyliciousness.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And it's shocking to watch. And so that coloring everything else, like, I'm sorry. Like, that's the first move. If Mauricio wants to go and have a girlfriend or several, that's fine. Your wife publicly, of course. It is a piece of art that, like, was meant for public consumption, even.

[Claudia Oshry]

If she didn't, by the way. You are separated. Like, you can see other people, but it's less sad.

[Jackie Oshry]

It would be really sad if they got separated and, like, he's out there dating and she's home.

[Claudia Oshry]

It would be sad.

[Jackie Oshry]

It wouldn't be wrong.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

But that's not what's been happening.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so weird, like, the way everybody's, like, revisionist history. So every time Garcelle brings it up, I think some people roll their eyes. They're like, garcelle, let it go. No, thank you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, no, like, we can't talk about Mo without talking about that. Because, like. Like, that part is critical to understanding how you might feel about Mo.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. And I actually had a lot of respect for Garcelle for, like, being mad at Sutton. Like, that's her girl, and she's like, always ride or die. And we've never seen them have an. Have an argument. But, like, she's not wrong for being annoyed. And so, like, all right, You. You didn't back me up. Tip for tat. I won't back you up. And Sutton really couldn't handle it.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And, like, that was, like, one of the worst instances for Sutton of, like, just everyone speaking their truth.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because Erica really hasn't gotten involved in a direct way. She's been, like, you know, shady to Sutton towards the other girls, and then in her confessionals. But this was the first time she, like, said what she thought. It was clear that, like, not that it was rehearsed, but she really thought about what she wanted to say to Sutton. Because it was an evisceration.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I thought, like, that little monologue she gave about how she likes to tear down women in this group who are going through hard times. And then literally, the only thing Sutton could say to rebuke that was like, you say I'm tear down all women. No, nobody fucking said that. Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

We don't know how you are in.

[Claudia Oshry]

In the GR. Or in the world. She loves to get lost in grammar. Like, she becomes obsessed with a word. Like, it's so annoying. And I like how Erica was like, I didn't say that. Like, let's. Let's. Let's not even go there. Like, it was such a bad response. And it's true. Like, Sutton is always starting stuff and then running away crying. It's such an annoying.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Characteristic to be, like, the big bad on the block. Like, let's bring mention it all accountability. This is going on in the press. Like, let's talk about it. And it's always good to have that person. If you want to be that person, you've got to be tougher. You can't be that way and then run crying scared anytime someone questions you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah. Or don't be that person. That's fine.

[Jackie Oshry]

But she is that person. She can't help but see what you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Want about Lisa Rinna. Like, that's what she was, that person.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, if Lisa Rinna was, like, constantly going in on people, and if someone went in on her, she'd fight back twice as hard. She wouldn't run away crying, crying.

[Claudia Oshry]

And that's kind of why she was so good at her job.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But, like, seriously, she was a worthy adversary.

[Claudia Oshry]

Sutton is not. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sutton plays the victim every single time that she's challenged. And then she's like, you can't tell me how I should or shouldn't feel. It's like, okay, so here we are. We're not allowed to say that you're being a victim, even though you're being a victim, right? All this in your confessionals, all this.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're so.

[Jackie Oshry]

You don't want to cross me, like, right? So I called you Brokey, and then, like, you're sitting on the boat crying, running away, like. Like having a meltdown.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so true. She's literally, like, so weak and such a big talker.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's like when she's alone. But when she apologized to Dorit, which in the moment, like, seems like an apology, I can't help but remember the confessional where right after she called Dorit poor, she said in her confessional, I don't regret it. I would say it again. And I'm just trying to understand if those confessionals are meant to reflect that moment in time.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Or if it's about a few months later and we know that they're saying that a few months later. Like, I do need clarity on, like. Like, is she going back to how she felt in that moment? Like, what was the prompt from the producer? Because I think that that's important.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think it's supposed to be a reflection of how you feel in that moment. I really do.

[Jackie Oshry]

I can't get past it.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know, because it was so crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because if she said at a reunion, that's the same timeline. Like, if she said, like, she's literally saying it four months later, I don't regret it. I would say it again. I meant it. And then you're also two weeks later saying an apology.

[Claudia Oshry]

So that's where, like, I under. Like, another dynamic that was, like, kind of tested was the Bose and Dorit of it all. This was the first time where Bose was like. Like, kind of pushing back on Dorit in a very kind and friendly way. But just being like, look, she's apologizing. Like, you have to accept it or you should accept it. And I understand her thinking that. She's new to this group. She doesn't understand the history. And I understand Dorit being like, I mean, you're kidding. This is what you do. You make a genuine apology, and the next day you do the exact same thing, but you go even lower. So I understood Bose's inclination to be like, look, she's trying to put it to bed. Like, let's put it to bed. But then I understand Dorit being like, I mean, how many times? How many times we're gonna. Gonna fool me once? We're gonna go on the same hamster wheel? It's a waste of time.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I felt like Bose was being a good friend in that Moment. I know people saw it as, like, her finally challenging to read, but, like, if I was sitting beside my friend, I want them to move past something, and they. Maybe I felt like they missed something in the conversation. Like, I would be like, hey, like, you got what you want. There's the apology.

[Claudia Oshry]

She wasn't calling her.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. Like, I saw on my travel live girl, Garcelle was like, I was so proud of Bose for finally, you know, like, pushing back a dude. That's not what that was. I would do that. That for someone I'm on the same side as is. Like, look, like, don't lose sight of, like, what you want. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Bose was trying to be productive. Right. Like, move the thing.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're wrong. But, like, wait, hold on. It's just a friendly thing to do. I didn't felt like she was, like, joining the other side or anything.

[Claudia Oshry]

Kathy was making me laugh so hard when she, like, sat down and was, like, asking everybody to get her stuff. And Kyle was like, she doesn't care who you are. Like, she needs something. You have to get a friend. She's, like, bossing Jennifer Tilly around with a salad dressing. I was laughing so hard. Kathy was actually making me laugh a lot. Even though she was in the episode for three seconds. She's like, these boat rides, they're not good.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's not working.

[Claudia Oshry]

And. And it was a bad boat ride. Like, the boat was small. The wind, everybody's hats. There was no indoor, like, table for everybody to sit at. It was a tiny little boat. The weather looked weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

It didn't look like a good boat Day Cartagena. Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And they should have waited to have conversations until they were anchored, because them cruising with the wind. With the wind, it was very chaotic and a little worrisome.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. And, like, Erica clearly, like, her hair was made for the hat. Like, she couldn't take off her hat. Sutton took off her hat. She just had, like, a blowout. But Erica had, like, an updo, like, in the hat, and so she couldn't take it off. And just watching her, like, try to talk with the hat and the wind, it was really annoying.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it was very chaotic. And now they're all stuck on this boat together. That's not that big.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it was small.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sutton's about to have a meltdown.

[Claudia Oshry]

She was being soaked at the. These. Like, she's so lame.

[Jackie Oshry]

She, like. She, like, went into the abyss. I think she also used the C word because they. They showed, like, the asterisk word, but it didn't start With a B, but for. It started with a B, like, she's.

[Claudia Oshry]

The definition of, like, condition, but can't take it. And it's like. It's like, we did that when we were 12, you know, like, you're so grown. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

And also, I said. No. I said this last week. But the dynamics between Sutton, Garcelle, and Kyle about, like, who's gonna defend, like, them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Fighting over Sutton. And Sutton should be, like, excited about that, but also fighting.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. She doesn't realize.

[Jackie Oshry]

She doesn't realize. It's so middle school.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Well, Sutton is. Finds herself in a similar predicament as Erica. Like, Erica also kind of refuses to get involved in the Kyle stuff, and she's happy to defend Dorit when it comes to Dorit versus Sutton, but she wasn't happy or even remotely interested in defending Dorit when it came to Dorit versus Kyle.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So that's, like, one of, like, my only gripes with Erica. She looked. The girls looked amazing. I actually loved all their outfits. Erica look looked sick.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, she looks amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

She does. So I actually love Sutton's outfit, too.

[Jackie Oshry]

On the boat, the little blue.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. Garcelle showing up with the same dress as Kyle after calling Kyle's outfit hideous. Like, her wardrobe hideous was so funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, That's.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Jennifer Tilly just stays, like, making me laugh. I'm. She's really growing on me, even though, like, her obviously fatal flaw is that she's Sutton's friend. So when it comes to the drama, her input is, like, always bad, but she doesn't give it a lot. That.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I feel like there's just too much going on for her to really get, like, involved in a meaningful way, though Bose has. But they're different people.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. No, I love. And they. They serve different purposes on the show. Jennifer Tilly's kind of taking on, like, a Kathy Hilton type of role.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Showing up, showing us the opulence, being funny, Connected to the group, but not connected to the drama in any real meaningful way, whereas Bose was brought in. She's a. She's a player.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, she's a.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's a formidable opponent.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, her friendship with Dorit is new. It's just how. This is how things have shaken out.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. But Jennifer Tilly is, like, not in the diamond. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's a real, like, character, personality, cat.

[Claudia Oshry]

She adds color to the show. And every time she tells us something about her jewelry or her Altamora, like, I live for it.

[Jackie Oshry]

She has positive energy, and she's down for a good time. Like, that's great. Thank you. Everyone needs friends.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And she's an Oscar winner nominee. Thank you. Excuse me. Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Big difference. Tonight is Summer House, which we will watch and recap tomorrow. And that's our show.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Tis.

[Claudia Oshry]

Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast, the millennial morning show where we deal with the fastest stories you need to every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcasts anywhere. Podcasts can be found outside of itunes. Future public studio, Public radio. I have radio castbox. All the places where we listen, podcast finesse the toasty five star review about our beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented. We are.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes.