The Wayward Women of Hollywood: Wednesday, February 18th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Wayward Women of Hollywood"

Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: February 18, 2026
Episode Focus: A humorous and candid discussion about the archetype of "wayward women of Hollywood," the recurring "Businessman of the Week" segment, pop culture updates, TV recaps, and reflections on female stardom, friendships, and iconic millennial moments.

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Episode Overview

Jackie and Claudia Oshry use their trademark blend of banter, pop culture savvy, and tongue-in-cheek social commentary to dive into the notion of "wayward women" in Hollywood—celebrities who, in their view, need stability or a reliable "businessman beau." The conversation spans from light-hearted debates about TV show revivals and celebrity news to reflections on their own media personalities, internet drama, and the push-and-pull of millennial nostalgia.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Defining the 'Wayward Women of Hollywood' and 'Businessman of the Week'

• The duo lampoon the idea that female celebrities—labeled "wayward women" (e.g., Nicole Kidman, Khloe Kardashian)—need stable, non-celebrity relationships to ground them.
• Paul Salem is this week’s "Businessman of the Week," clarified as someone helping “pop stars in need.”
  • “It's for women who need to be buoyed to something.” [01:42, A]
  • They rebuff criticisms about not including women, asserting:
  • “The whole point... is to help pop stars in need. Like, it's for women. Of course, it's a women's issue when you boil it down.” [01:13, A]
• They joke about how businessmen can “buy” their way into the segment:
  • “If you want to be businessman of the week, here's how you can get it. Give us a jet.” [08:51, A]
  • The segment is tongue-in-cheek and lampoons the idea of “uplifting” businessmen.

2. Pop Culture Rundown: Show Revivals and Celebrity News

a. Miley Cyrus and the Hannah Montana 20th Anniversary Special [17:44–30:39]

• Miley is returning for a Disney+ special but not for a concert (“the fans want the songs, not just interviews and old footage”).
  • “All we want is for you to put the wig on and sing. Like, that's all we want.” [18:24, A]
  • Both hosts express skepticism that this format will satisfy true fans:
  • “This is just not what the fans want.” [24:20, A]
• Nostalgic discussion over Hannah Montana’s cast and what made the series meaningful for their generation.
• Ideas for what should have been done: live concert, special musical performances in character.
• Reflections on why show reunions and nostalgia projects can feel disappointing or bittersweet.

b. Hilary Duff on Family Dynamics [30:41–37:00]

• Breakdown of Hilary Duff’s Glamour interview on her “complicated family dynamic,” especially regarding her sister Haley.
  • “Just because you're born into a family doesn't mean it always stays together. You can only control your side of the street.” [31:10, Hillary Duff, quoted by B]
• Hosts discuss changing friendships in adulthood and the influence of politics and parenting on such dynamics.
• Appreciation for Hilary’s resilience and ability to avoid the pitfalls of child stardom.

c. Brianna Chickenfry and the Friendship Dissolution with Grace [38:07–46:54]

• Recap of Brianna Chickenfry's appearance on the Impulsive podcast, where she discussed her broken friendship with Grace.
  • Emphasis on internet fan dynamics making the split worse:
  • “They really let the Internet come between them, like, in a real way.” [41:53, A]
• The dynamic of duo podcasts, parasocial relationships, and how viral drama can outsize the actual project.
• Offers a nuanced (and sympathetic) view of both parties, acknowledging the tricky pressures of sudden internet fame.

d. Massimo Giannulli’s New Relationship [51:06–53:16]

• Disparaging remarks about Massimo (Lori Loughlin’s ex) dating a much younger woman; the hosts find it “icky” especially since he has daughters around her age.
  • “Definitely candidate for weenie of the week. Go home to your family and stop it.” [52:14, A]

3. TV Recaps & Reflections

a. Tell Me Lies Series Finale [53:38–66:14]

• Spoiler-heavy, detailed breakdown of Hulu's Tell Me Lies finale.
  • “People are interpreting it one of two ways... she gets in the car with him, they stop for coffee, he literally abandons her, and the show ends with her laughing.” [54:43, A]
  • Debate on whether Lucy (the main character) intentionally freed herself from a toxic relationship or was abandoned again.
  • “To give Lucy that much credit, like, you guys have not been watching the show. There's no way in the world she thought this through.” [55:39, A]
• Criticisms of pacing and some unresolved threads; praise for performances.
  • “Where is the Emmy for some of these actors? Like, Lucy at the scene in the dean's office—that was A+ acting.” [61:05, A]
• The hosts connect the show’s themes to real life—friendship, growth, and letting go.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Businessman of the Week:
  • “If you want to be businessman of the week, here's how you can get it. Give us a jet.” [08:51, A]
  • “This is a segment where bribery is, like, very much a factor.” [09:00, A]
• On Hannah Montana Revival:
  • “All we want is for you to put the wig on and sing... the sets, the people, the footage—sure. But it’s really the music that carried the generation through.” [18:24 & 19:20, A]
  • “I follow the girl on TikTok who lives in the Malibu house…” [29:35, A]
• On Female Friendship and Internet Drama:
  • "They really let the Internet come between them, like, in a real way." [41:53, A]
  • “It feels like basic friendship... Even if you’re on the schoolyard, someone’s bullying your friend—you say, ‘Hey, that’s my friend.’” [40:44, B]
• On Tell Me Lies' Ending:
  • “I aim one day to be as delusional as the people who think that she extradited herself on purpose and got left on the side of the road, and her plan worked.” [65:29, A]
  • “Where is the Emmy for some of these actors?” [61:05, A]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:05–01:36: Introduction of "Businessman of the Week" and its feminist intent
• 17:44–30:39: In-depth discussion of Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special, why it’s underwhelming for fans
• 30:41–37:00: Hilary Duff’s Glamour interview and the complexities of adult relationships
• 38:07–46:54: Unpacking the Brianna Chickenfry/Grace internet friendship fallout
• 51:06–53:16: Massimo Giannulli's new relationship—an “opposite businessman” segment
• 53:38–66:14: Detailed Tell Me Lies series finale recap, critical analysis, and emotional response

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, witty, at times sardonic, with the sisters riffing off shared millennial cultural touchpoints and using inside jokes.
• Frequent asides, bits, and self-aware humor (“I would like to address some comments from yesterday…” [01:05, A]; “Don’t call me. Seriously, don’t call me.” [47:04, A & B])
• Both hosts balance pop culture snark with genuine nostalgia and insight, offering both comedic and empathetic takes on the complexities of fame and friendship.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode of The Toast is a quintessential slice of millennial pop culture critique—and a must-listen for those curious about how internet culture, celebrity drama, and the emotional realities of female friendship intersect in 2026. Jackie and Claudia Oshry bring their irreverent humor to everything from the nostalgia of Hannah Montana, the pitfalls of “businessman” husband-hunting, to the emotional gut-punch of Tell Me Lies. The sisters’ candid, self-aware banter makes for a sharply observed yet heartfelt podcast episode.

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Skip to [53:38] if you want the full, spoiler-heavy debrief of Tell Me Lies. Otherwise, start at the top for all things pop, snark, and unapologetic sisterhood.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[B]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[A]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[B]

They sound amazing.

[A]

Welcome back to the toast and happy hump day. Don't forget to hump someone you love. And speaking of girls that I love, I'm joined by my co host, my partner in both work and in life.

[B]

It's me. Keep going. I can't. So if you find me, look to the western sky.

[A]

That actually sounds good. Like that's your pitch. Yeah. Register. Yeah, yeah. Yes. S.L. mama. So good.

[B]

That's who it is with Claudia.

[A]

Today. It is. It's me and Paul Salem.

[B]

Paul Salem. We have our BMO TW behind us, our businessman of the week. I feel really good about this new segment. Me too.

[A]

I would like to address some comments from yesterday, specifically one being like, what about the business woman of the week? And you're listening to the wrong show.

[B]

You're. You're missing the point.

[A]

And also the whole point of the Businessman beau is to help pop stars in need. Like, it's for women. It's. Of course it's a women's issue when you boil it down.

[B]

And let me tell you how badly I don't want to see, like, Glenn Powell with a businesswoman.

[A]

No, that's not the point, you guys. You're misunderstanding.

[B]

For wayward women of Hollywood to find a stable businessman.

[A]

The wayward women of Hollywood. I love that title.

[B]

Count on 1000%. Khloe Kardashian and Paul Salem. Right?

[A]

It's for women who need to be buoyed to something. Tethered to, you know, someone with their feet firmly planted on the ground. Someone much like Paul Salem. And I just want to say, based on some of, like, the information I received yesterday, Paul Salem and Nicole Kidman, like, are seeing one another. And that's. That was like, sort of the point of the TMZ story.

[B]

But they literally said that they're not. They've been on two group dates, but.

[A]

Like, they're seeing one another. Like they're. They're. It's a courtship. Like, he's courting her.

[B]

Yes, he's courting her. He hasn't had the courage to ask her out on a solo date yet. We're rooting for you, Paul.

[A]

We are definitely rooting for you.

[B]

But yeah, this is for the women of Hollywood who. Who need more and who need to settle down with a billionaire today's.

[A]

A huge day. It's Wednesday, which means we've reached sort of an inflection point in the week. And how you choose to. Receive that is quite beautiful.

[B]

But it's also inflecting on. Oh, I'm reflecting on. I'm.

[A]

I'm like, I'm receiving the middle of the week as like. Yeah, you know. Yeah, we sound like one of those, like, fake podcast clips.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

To job, my love.

[B]

That's kind of a big statement.

[A]

And that's the kind of statements you can come to expect here.

[B]

Okay, that's a big statement.

[A]

What I was trying to say was that it's a big day because it Tell me Lies. Because it's the Tell Me Lies series finale recap we're gonna do. If you haven't watched yet, it will be at the end of the episode. So this is a spoiler free zone. I just want to say I'm feeling really excited to talk about it and I'm personally feeling like. And this is not going to spoil anything. I personally just feeling a huge weight lifted off my shoulders that I don't have to watch a show anymore because, like, it was getting to a point where it was such a good show. Like, I was taking it on emotionally and I come to sort of like, dread it and I just feel free.

[B]

I agree. It was a lot to get, like, sucked in every week to this anxiety inducing show. And I'm glad that it's over, but I'm glad that, like, we experienced it as we did. I don't want to spoil anything, but I. I think that the ending was, like, really great. And we can send ye on your merry way.

[A]

I am smiling because it's over, but also because it happened.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, we'll talk about that at the end of the show, though. But that litter that took up my whole night because I also had to watch last week's episode. So I have, like, a twofer for you.

[A]

I also watched a lot of shots of sunset and, like, the people that I was liking, like, are starting to act out and I think I need to stop watching the show because it's like, kind of inconvenient for me to, like, change my alliances. Like, I'm sorry, I like, bam, shot and sky and like, they're crazy. Like, so it's just not. It's not convenient for me anymore.

[B]

Okay. What about the. But you.

[A]

When, like, your faves become the villain, I'm out.

[B]

But that's when they need you the most.

[A]

Yeah, I'm just kind of a Fair weather fan. I just got here.

[B]

But do you still, like. Like, what they're doing, like, is wrong or everyone just thinks it's wrong?

[A]

Both. Like, it's. They're making a bigger deal for sure. But, like, she's just, like a. Like a brat. And she, like, hates the Valley. She hates the food in the Valley. The house is in the Valley. The people in the Valley. During COVID like, they took a hit financially, so they had to move to the Valley. And now it's five years later, and, like, they're ready to move. But it's kind of like a very relatable thing. They have this amazing mortgage rate and they can't. They're, like, stuck. Reza was like, you're crazy to move. You have such a great mortgage rate. And she was like, but it's not my dream house. They moved into it when they were, like, on, you know, harder times. And he was like, you're just crazy if you move. But she, like, wants to go back to Beverly Hills. And so she's at this dinner with people who, like, live in the Valley. Love the Valley, love their houses. Like, they're living the dream. It's really the American dream for a lot of them. They own homes and they're just, like, sending their kids to school, and it's great. And she's just like, I hate it here. It's disgusting. Like, they're like, okay, well, that's rude. And she just doesn't know. Like, she. I do want to say I can't blame everything on this show for, like, being cultural because they're all from the same culture, but, like, it's definitely, like, a little cultural. Especially, like, you would think if you watch a show that all their marriages are in disarray. Like, they fight non stop, but it's like a very Middle Eastern type of fighting. And I don't know, I'm not worried about a lot of them. Some of them I am. But, like, no, they're not. Like, they're fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All said to say, like, she's just being bratty and, like, condescending and rude and, like, this is a way of life. Like, all these people really love. Like, they love their lives resident. Like, they love their homes, they love their gardens. Like, it's nice. And she's like, in hell. Like, it's actually funny.

[B]

She should just leave.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then she, like, leaves the show.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. I heard that it was supposed to be called the Valley Persian version, and they changed it to the Valley Persian style. And I just Want to say who was ever decision that was like, you should be fired. You're obviously bad at your job.

[B]

But also, Shaws of the Valley was right there, of course. But, like, they want to franchise the Valley, so fine.

[A]

They wanted it to be the Valley colon. Persian version. Hilarious.

[B]

Why didn't they do that?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Versions, like, not a great word.

[A]

It's not a great word to be in a TV show title. Like, I get it, but neither is a Persian style. It's good enough for Taylor.

[B]

Taylor's version.

[A]

We are like Loki matching today in rugby shirts.

[B]

Rugby striped shirt.

[A]

Yeah. Mine's from Nordstrom Rack.

[B]

Mine's from Cynthia Rowley.

[A]

I went to Nordstrom Rack IRL and had the best time. I didn't even know what was waiting for me on the website. The shirt was like, seriously 17? I don't know that to be true, but it was, like, under 40.

[B]

It's really cute.

[A]

You just need shirts when you're a podcaster, a daily podcaster.

[B]

And your shoes.

[A]

Oh, yes. I'm wearing fancy, like, flip flops. They're called.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Texas Tequila teaks.

[B]

Teaks, yeah.

[A]

Because, like, who wants to wear flip flops? But, like, these are so elegant.

[B]

Texas merch. Pk.

[A]

She said Texas from pk.

[B]

She says Texas from pk. That's the brand.

[A]

Yeah. Texas from pk. How are the stories today?

[B]

They're good. It's again, like, there was a lot of stories that were, like, all lightly interesting, not, like, so significant. So I picked my five.

[A]

Yeah. Any Businessman of the Week come to mind this week?

[B]

Well, we already have our businessman of the Week, so I didn't want to feel so conflicted.

[A]

Yeah. And I just want to make everyone know, like, don't come to expect Businessman of the Week to be every week because then it gets forced. Think of it more as like a Kelly's Mindless news. Like, when a businessman makes news, whatever week that may be, he will be the businessman of the week. And until then, Paul Salem is a businessman. Until we find another one.

[B]

Yeah. And I think the businessman, like, would like that.

[A]

Are we going to keep the photo rotating or Paul Salem, he's our inaugural. Like, he's forever.

[B]

We can't have a picture of Paul Salem up here forever.

[A]

Oh, and you want to hear the best part?

[B]

Like, he wants to be businessman of.

[A]

The week every week. Do you want to hear the absolute best part of this whole thing is the cardboard Koji element of it? Because I wanted to get a frame to that frame. Look familiar?

[B]

HomeGood.

[A]

I bought it at HomeGoods, like, a little while ago because we took these really cute holiday pictures, like, with Santa and everything in the kids. And I was like, let me just, like, frame it. And I bought it from HomeGoods. It was $6. And it was actually broken. Like, the picture wouldn't say in. Like. It doesn't stay up. It's, like, so broken. So I meant to return it. Obviously never did. And now it's been repurposed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cardboard Koji reign supreme.

[B]

And. Except cardboard Koji didn't make the return. I know.

[A]

Oh, sorry. No, I. Sorry. We did. And they were like, you didn't buy this here. I'm like, excuse me. I didn't. They were like. And you also broke it. I'm like, you broke it. Yeah. And then I got into a fight. So it's just been, like. It's been hanging around, and now I found a purpose for it. Yeah.

[B]

Of Paul Salem. But any businessman, like, it's never too late to be businessman of the week. If you wanna give us a jet, you could be.

[A]

Oh, that's a very easy way to give us, like, if you want to be businessman of the week, here's how you can get it. Give us a chat.

[B]

We can be bought. This is a segment that.

[A]

Where bribery is, like, very much a factor.

[B]

Or if, like, you're in a business that's having, like, trouble optically, like, you could sponsor Businessman of the Week. Like, like, great idea. If a stratum or, like, wanted to rehabilitate their CEO, they could have bought Businessman of the Week where we had to say nice things about that CEO.

[A]

Yes. It could be a sponsored segment. So just, like, I want everyone to know, like, that's coming. Give a. Giving us a jet either, like, for a trip or of course, in perpetuity.

[B]

Yeah. Evergreen.

[A]

Making us, like, you know, they're always giving, like, celebrities, like, the chief mom officer. Yeah, we'll do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A paid gig.

[B]

You called me something yesterday. In the ads of Thrive Market.

[A]

I said, you're the chief brand officer.

[B]

Maybe that's a good job for me. If the CEO of Thrive Market wants to be businessman of the week.

[A]

And we're just assuming that all major companies have CEOs who are men.

[B]

No, I think you have a CEO who's a woman. You're not eligible. Like, but that's really.

[A]

This is very much like a binary segment.

[B]

That's amazing that you. That you did that.

[A]

You love to see women, like, in high places slay mama all the way.

[B]

And then you don't need Businessman of the Week for your business's optics because you're probably, like, in a good spot. It's kind of how, like, away.

[A]

It's kind of like how we have Women's History Month, but not Men's History Month. Like, some, like, you have Business man of the Week, but not businesswoman of the Week.

[B]

Yeah. Some things just are. Some they need uplifting. The businessmen need uplifting.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Yeah. I'm really excited to see what comes of this. Yeah.

[A]

I'm, like, looking forward to seeing what the Future holds for BMoTW.

[B]

I feel like we're gonna meet some really great businessmen.

[A]

I mean, I don't even know about Paul Salem yesterday, and he's, like, literally.

[B]

Like, changed my life and Nicole Kidman's hopefully soon in a positive way. And if you're a celebrity who watches the show, like, maybe get some inspo for your next boyfriend.

[A]

Yes, of course. Although, unfortunately, like, a lot of the businessmen are wifed up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But not in a meaningful way sometimes.

[B]

Yeah. Or like, formerly wifed up. But no, we're not here to, like, break up any marriages. Maybe we can only have single. Single.

[A]

Then we're real. That's, like, really hard to find. Like, I feel like we're really pigeonholing ourselves.

[B]

Yeah, we are. We are. We'll see the natural evolution of BMoTW.

[A]

Yeah. One thing. We have to let the chips fall where they've been.

[B]

I can't believe people said what about business women. Seriously, I can't believe you guys.

[A]

I know. It's like, you don't know us at all.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Stop. Just stop.

[B]

So, yeah, so, yeah, that's the latest and the greatest. Do you want to get into the stories? I do really do want to talk about Tell me Lies and unfortunately, have to do the stories before we can do such a thing.

[A]

But there are a couple of stories, like, I actually really need to talk about, and I just want to, like, warn everyone. Hater alert. I'm kind of, like, hating everything today. Some days I really try to come to the show with, like, light and positivity and be like, you know what? It's gonna be great. And then, you know what? I just want to be honest.

[B]

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[B]

T u r t. You're welcome. First story. Miley Cyrus will return for the Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special set to be released in March on Disney plus. So Miley is celebrating 20 years of Hannah, calling it the haniversary. She will be participating in a Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special on Disney Plus. So it will feature. It'll be filmed in front of a live studio audience and will feature an interview with Miley hosted by Alex Cooper. She will revisit iconic moments from the show as well as never before seen footage and recreations of the show's sets. Disney also promises that, quote, there will also be some familiar notes that find their way back into the spotlight.

[A]

Oh, great. Can't wait to see a never before seen footage. Like, that's not what the people want. Like, Miley is. Oh, I'm sorry. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm hating this. Miley is always, like, dangling Hannah in front of us. And she's been posting so much about 20th anniversary, the wig, and said, girl, all we want is for you to put the wig on and sing. Like, that's all we want. We want the songs, we want the music. People love the show, of course, but, like, we want Hannah Montana, the pop star. Oh, great. We're gonna recreate the sets. Like, I'm good.

[B]

Yeah, this would have been nice.

[A]

Like, paired with a concert or a tour or like a DVD or something. Like, I'm sorry, this sucks. It's like the Friends reunion. And the Friends reunion was, like, not my favorite. It was like live studio audience, like, talking about the fun memories. But it was cool to see the Friends back together. Like the show about, like, Hannah and Lily and Oliver, like, great. But that's not what people love. It's the music.

[B]

It is the music. I would love to hear her up there singing the hits, shaking that thing.

[A]

I need, like a backyard sessions. Remember her, like, old YouTube series where.

[B]

She'S just singing Hannah stripping them down?

[A]

Yeah, fine. Don't even wear the wig. Okay. Like, all of the things about Hannah Montana, like, are great. The sets, the people, the footage. Sure. But it's really the music that, like, carried the generation through. And it's what. People miss it. They did not say that. They said they're recreating the sets, watching old footage and taking a look back.

[B]

Okay, look, there might be some familiar notes that find their way. Notes. That's a weird thing to say. Are they withholding musical notes?

[A]

Are they Withholding that she's going to sing because to me that's the pull.

[B]

I. Yeah, it's weird because a bigger fan of Hannah Montana you could not.

[A]

Find than me, than our family, by.

[B]

The way, like, could not have watched that show back where it shaped me as a person. So this is for the fans, for you, for me. This doesn't do any. I don't need to hear behind the scenes what happened on the set of the show that I watched 20 years ago.

[A]

It was like a show for kids. There's not going to be drama.

[B]

Not like that Tea, you know, it's not tea. So I don't really know what this says. And you're right. Miley's always dangling Hannah. Every time she gets a haircut with bangs.

[A]

Yeah, every time she gets a haircut, it's a Hannah tease. Every time she releases new music, it's a Hannah tease. She's like cleaning out her closet. It's a Hannah. Like she has dangled it in front of us for so long. She does give us like little crumbs. I know she sings the Climb live a lot like on her shows and tours. But like she's overarchingly giving us, giving us nothing except that she is, thinks very fondly of Hannah, which is nice. Now this is really not enough for me. Now again I can acknowledge, like, I have a high bar because like you said, like, love Hannah. Like Hannah shaped us. Like, I know everywhere. I just sometimes listen to Hannah Montana in the car and I still know every line to every word. Every word to every line. So yes, my. I don't need a sit down interview with Miley. Like maybe in addition to the concert. This is just not what I need. If she did like a lot, you know what they should have done? They should have done like a live show at like the Hollywood bowl where they streamed it live on Disney plus, like people could buy tickets, like an in person thing where like she either performs as Hannah or like Miley, you know, reflecting on Hannah and she could talk about, you know, maybe the, this, the, the. The tour stage is like designed like her Malibu house. And maybe she'll talk in between songs about maybe Lily will come out and sing a song. Like. Sure. But the music not being the center of this, like, I'm so out.

[B]

I just don't think there's like a, even a good way to do something like this. Like it's just a moment that's gone, you know? And can't we just accept that?

[A]

Like, no, I don't think she has to accept it. Like I think there is a way to honor it and this is not it.

[B]

I, I don't know what do I need from Hannah now? 20 years on?

[A]

I need her to sing.

[B]

Yeah, I guess like that's, that's the.

[A]

Only thing I need from Hannah right now.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. I, I like so this is for me. I don't know if I will get around to watching. Depends what it. What the meat is. One, the same but two maybe there are interesting stories that I don't even know I would be interested by.

[A]

I don't think her dad is going to be involved.

[B]

I think he will be there in a good place and if he's not, that's.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know why. I just like I, I don't see it for him. I think he's like very polarizing and then the whole River Rose, Fire Rose. Did you hear her voicemail or not Voicemail. Like her speaker recording about it. Yeah, it was bad. And yes, him and Miley are like a little touc so I think it's probably like you know and Oliver is.

[B]

In the slammer for meth or something.

[A]

Yeah. So it's like we actually don't need.

[B]

Anything shout out the slammer.

[A]

Besides Hannah and I feel like her and Emily Ozzan are actually not friends.

[B]

And Emily's really the only. If we don't get Jackson, Rico. If we don't get Jackson and throw it in the garbage.

[A]

And if we were doing like a concert style format we could have gotten like Rico and Jackson's beef jerky song. Like there's so much to be done. Like this is such a shame.

[B]

Jackson.

[A]

Flat it.

[B]

We need Jackson. I think maybe he's a little too.

[A]

Like he's very artsy. Moises, he's like a photographer.

[B]

Would go back there.

[A]

You mean 490tx.

[B]

I mean 490tx.

[A]

I do think Moises would go back there.

[B]

This element is interesting to me. Like who will participate in what capacity if there isn't a song to be sung? I agree. Throw it in the garbage. But beyond that, I don't know. It just makes me feel old.

[A]

Who hosted the Friends reunion? Was it James Corden? Yeah, I'm just. Because this is like the most similar format. They do a lot of like classic shows, reunions. It was James Horton classic shows like reunions or reboots. Like they always do something and Friends was the first one to like kind of veer from the template and they did this like interview type thingy. Majig. And so this feels like the most similar to that. That's why I keep comparing it. It's just like. Okay.

[B]

The good news is, though, is, like, I love Miley.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love a Miley interview. So this is also that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think I. You know, what it depends on. I'm up to in late March. But, like, I think I'll give this. Give this a shot.

[A]

Yes. No, I definitely have plans to watch it. And I guess my expectations are so low. Like, maybe I'll enjoy it, but this is just not what the fans want.

[B]

I feel like there was nothing they could have announced that would, like, just capture what it was because it was a moment in time. It's fleeting and it's gone.

[A]

Like, I feel like you're not giving my concert idea, like, any. Like, you would love that.

[B]

I would, but, like, it would just make me feel old, I think, like, to watch us being old, like, I don't know.

[A]

I think it would make me feel. No, I feel like it would make. Like, I look back on. I don't even think of, like, Hannah Montana as the glory days.

[B]

Like, it on the way get to sing the song.

[A]

I don't care.

[B]

I don't think she does.

[A]

I think of it as, like, really the soundtrack of my childhood in such a positive way. It reminds me of my family and, like, it's so. It doesn't make me feel sad at all. It makes me feel, like, grateful. And so, like, if she could just honor that, like, the show was amazing. Of course. Like, it's not about that.

[B]

I like your Backyard Sessions idea.

[A]

I mean, bring yar. Bring back the backyard. What was it called? Backyard Sessions.

[B]

Backyardians. Yeah, it was Backyard Sessions. Yeah.

[A]

So good.

[B]

Jolene, Bring back Backyard Sessions and the Bunny, if we could get them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And sing Hannah songs in the new Miley fashion. That would be Pargie. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, she could have brought out Dolly to do a collab.

[B]

She's always bringing out Dolly.

[A]

Yeah. Who else was on the show?

[B]

Brooke Shields, who guest starred on the show. You know who was on the show that was, like, when we were talking about him, we couldn't remember, like, how we knew him, but it's actually from Hatton, Montana, who Kind of dark, but Rob Reiner. He was in.

[A]

Yes, he was. Was he playing himself?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Yes, he was. Honestly, his kids must have been fans. That's how, like, Brooke Shield says, like, she didn't even know the show.

[B]

Larry David was on it with his daughter.

[A]

Yes. Because the kids were fans. Yeah. Dream, like, that's where being an apple baby, like, is actually unfair. Like, un fair.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

You have to meet Hannah and Miley.

[B]

And be on the show.

[A]

Best of both.

[B]

Oh, and what about Jake Ryan and Austin Butler? He won't be there.

[A]

Jake Ryan is not Austin Butler. And was Austin Butler on Hannah Montana?

[B]

He was.

[A]

No, he was on Zoe 101.

[B]

I think he had a small role.

[A]

No, he just looked like Jake Ryan.

[B]

Okay, and what about Jesse?

[A]

Jesse.

[B]

So to me, like, Austin Butler was on Hannah Montana.

[A]

Who did he play?

[B]

Just like, it wasn't a major role.

[A]

Okay. It wasn't like a love interest, was it?

[B]

Uncredited role.

[A]

Okay. Are you sure? He was on, like, Derek Hansen in one episode. So he was literally an extra. Like, that doesn't count.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You were confusing him with Jake Ryan.

[B]

No, no, I wasn't. But I know that he's like, credited when people talk about his past as being on hand Montana and not as Jake Ryan.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

So I just thought he was like a boyfriend at one point.

[A]

Roxy, like, Roxy, like a puma better show up. Yeah, she really influenced us. Like, we were always saying that as kids. Yeah.

[B]

And what about the girl who said, don't worry, Hannah, we'll keep your secret.

[A]

She's from the movie.

[B]

Well, there will be movie elements.

[A]

Oh, well, if the movie's in it, then we have so many more people. Lucas Till.

[B]

Vanessa Williams.

[A]

Vanessa motherfucking Williams. Tyra Banks. Also. Who's the actress? Jan from the Office.

[B]

Jan from the Office. And the woman from Secretariat.

[A]

Oh, and Rascals. Lots of Ah. They should come out and sing Blessed. See, if we programmed this like, we would have made it, like, really for the fans like this. To me, I feel like Miley, like, deviated from Disney and in recent years, she's like, very much back in the Disney family. She did. She got a Disney honors award. And so I feel like her doing this, like, maybe it's not her preference on how to honor the show, but, like, she's back in Disney's good graces and, like, maybe one day we will get. I'm just so desperate, like, you will not get what.

[B]

What's due to us. But I also don't think Miley does anything she doesn't want to do. Yeah, if she wasn't about this, she wouldn't do it. So I don't think it's like dis. Bob Iger not businessman. So let's like, oh, he. If he. If this went off, like, without a hitch. Yeah, he could be businessman of the Week.

[A]

Bob Iger, like, was a businessman of a decade. We talked about him incessantly on this show because he was, like, the only businessman we knew for, like, the first five years of the show. So he's gotten his flowers.

[B]

He has.

[A]

I also don't think he's at Disney anymore.

[B]

No. And then he came back.

[A]

He came back and then he's still there.

[B]

He left and came back, right? Yes, that sounds right.

[A]

Very, like, needy.

[B]

And Greg and I feel like he's the CEO. We're so like.

[A]

No, he's not. He's like a chairman. Yeah. He's like, fancy chairman. He's so rich.

[B]

Chairman Bob.

[A]

I gotta be the chairman of something. You know, the toast. Okay. You'll let me?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

That would make me your boss.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're fired. Okay. Well, like, I would love to be wrong. I just want to say that. But all in all, it's just not what I would have preferred.

[B]

Yeah. It doesn't really scratch the itch for me. And it. I feel like I've will never be scratched.

[A]

Yeah. Because, like, I've gone back and watched Hannah. It's on Disney plus and, like, it hits, but it just, like, you're right. It was a moment in time. But I just want to say, like, I think for a lot of girls our age, like, looking back on it, like, it. It does not make me feel sad. It doesn't make me feel old. It really makes me feel, like, happy and grateful and like, look, like, Hannah raised us. She really did.

[B]

She really did. So let's. Let's hear from Hannah. Let's see. I'm going to give her a shot, hear what she has to say. But I just want to, like, go on record saying, I wasn't asking for this. I wasn't waiting for this.

[A]

And if we were going to get something to honor the 20th anniversary, like, it was not an interview style. Look back.

[B]

Yeah. At the set.

[A]

Like, I'm good. And I follow the girl on TikTok who lives in the Malibu house. So, you know, they had a picture of the outside of the Malibu house and they would.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

And they were, like, showing it from the back. The inside was obviously, like a fake set, but she lives. Her grandparents own the house.

[B]

Well, I would love to hear how they came up with some of those riffs for between scenes.

[A]

Like, maybe that's the notes they're referring to.

[B]

Where did that come from? Ooh, yeah, I love it.

[A]

If they have the footage of her recording that I would find that interesting.

[B]

There's potential There's. And the more we talk about it, like, the more I'm open. But when I saw this, I'm like, okay, move on, everyone. You know?

[A]

No, I don't agree.

[B]

It's. We can, like, move forward and honor Hannah, but without, like, killing her, beating her to death. Yeah. I don't know what's right for Hannah. I don't know what's right for her.

[A]

Maybe it's this. Maybe we're wrong. I'm very open to being wrong.

[B]

Yeah. I'm gonna give it a shot, though. The more we talk about it, the more potential I see. Yeah. And you're right, it does center around the music. So she better up there. Be up there shaking that thing big time. And that wig.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story?

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Hillary Duff is making a rare comment on her complicated family dynamic.

[A]

Yes. I saw her opening up in Glamour magazine.

[B]

Yeah. So she sat down with Glamour magazine. She touched on her rift with her sister Haley and Ashley and her father. And why she wrote about it in her two. Two of her new songs.

[A]

I wouldn't know because, like, I don't listen to her new music.

[B]

Right. I just know about, like the one with the blowjob. Correct. That one. I heard.

[A]

Something like that.

[B]

She said, quote, that's my family. Those are the people that affect you the most, take up the most space naturally, as a human who's born into something. Well, true. Just because you're born into a family doesn't mean that it always stays together. You can only control your side of the street. She acknowledged that she's had a very complicated life and said that her parents have a very complicated dynamic as well. They are divorced. I know it's not rare. And I think it goes to the back to the theme of why share now? I guess I just felt ready. She said, well, that makes it even.

[A]

Sadder that her and Haley aren't close and, like, actually hate one another. Because if they did grow up in this sort of like, unstable, toxic environment, like your sister, your sibling, like, that's your life raft.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, like, they're all on the fritz. Like, that's really sad.

[B]

Especially cuz they were so close for so long, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Got through hard times.

[A]

And then she also said she was like, talking about, like, friends she's made as a mom. And she was like, it's been really surprising that like, a lot of the friends I made later in life, like through motherhood, are like the deepest, most amazing friendships, even though I haven't known them so long. But then you also, like, start to prioritize, like, being around people whose values align with yours. It's giving politics.

[B]

You think so?

[A]

Yeah. That's, like, what people say.

[B]

Yep. There's a lot of kinds of values, especially when it comes to parents raising. Yes, that's true.

[A]

Or it could be, like, like, maybe she's referring to, like, politics or parenting style.

[B]

Yeah. Like the gentle parent.

[A]

Right. Like, maybe Ashley tis up, props up an iPad.

[B]

There's a lot of things it could be. I agree. It doesn't rule out politics.

[A]

Right. But they're never beating the political allegations.

[B]

Right. But also, like, politics also can spill over into other things where it's more. So, like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You.

[A]

You parent this way because of your politics vibes. Right.

[B]

So I, I. But I feel like if you. If you take a step back and stop trying to, like, zero in on these two, like, if you said someone is not your motherhood friend because of, like, your values don't align, like, you would understand what that meant, right?

[A]

Yeah, I would. If I said that, I would mean that. Like, we just parent really differently.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, yeah, that's what I would mean if I said that.

[B]

So I understand that statement. It doesn't have to be like, well, she voted for this one. And they.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Our values as parents don't align.

[A]

And if your values as parents don't align, like, you probably also voted for different people.

[B]

Well, yes.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, yes.

[A]

Yeah. Very sad. Hillary. I've made it on. I'm like, on Hillary Talk.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

She's still doing this, like, very small tour. She looks so beautiful. She's styled to perfection. Like, I don't know who's, like, she's not wearing, like, typical tour outfit. She's not wearing, like, you know, a bodysuit. She's just wearing, like, really chic, pretty outfits, and she wears a different one. That's, like, the beauty of being on this, like, little small tour. Like, she just. She's done, like, 20 shows, and she's gonna wear 20 outfits. Like, it's not. And she looks so cute and pretty, and she's singing so good, and she's just, like, really well adjust did. It's nice to see you don't see that a lot. And she never had a period publicly. She might have, like, battled behind closed doors, but she never had that, like, stereotypical.

[B]

Which is also surprising considering now we're hearing about, like, her family drama, tough home life. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And though that usually lends itself to, like, some sort of spiral publicly, especially.

[B]

As you transition from Child star to adult.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the child. I feel like doing okay today. This.

[A]

This child. I actually attribute a lot of Hillary Duff's, like, stability to younger. I feel like that was a really important bridge for her.

[B]

Yeah. Not even by then, she was, like, grown.

[A]

Yes. But, like, it stopped her. It really.

[B]

Her ability to transition and continue working. Yeah. From, like, raise your voice. Even though who would ever want to leave?

[A]

Where's the raise your voice 20th anniversary special where Hillary Duff sits on a stage going.

[B]

Like, yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

The reason why we need that is because we know nothing about raise your voice. Behind the scenes, it's like a steel trap. You know, we've heard from Hannah over the years. We. Even back in the day, like, we. There were interviews, you know, disney channel.com. like, but this was just like a movie. This was a movie. We don't know anything about it.

[A]

Also, who wrote it? Did you see that? Hilary Duff was actually reunited with her. Where's your voice, mom? Rita Wilson. They, like, took a picture. I don't know if Rita went to her show something. They saw one another and took a picture, and it was like, seriously, the best photo I've ever seen in my life. Rita Wilson is low key in everything, and she's also a country star.

[B]

We needed to see her with John Corbett.

[A]

Was that the dad?

[B]

No, he was the. The teacher. Oh, of course. The singer teacher.

[A]

Right. Who were her parents?

[B]

They weren't really in it. She went to, like, boarding school, right?

[A]

No, they kicked her out because, like.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

The brother sent in the tape.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To go to the music school.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, the parents were kind of irrelevant.

[A]

Alan what? Wilson. I don't know him.

[B]

Rita's brother.

[A]

Rita and Alan Wilson. Dad from raise your voice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know this man.

[B]

No, the parents were insignificant.

[A]

I know. I make mistakes. I live my life. By the way, have we ever put together that raise your voice was Directed by Sean McNamara?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Yes, we have.

[A]

Okay. I love him.

[B]

We need Sean McNamara documentary.

[A]

Everything Sean McNamara has made is perfect.

[B]

It's very, very true. We've done this before, but I think we need to do it again.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Raise your voice. Of course. Bratz.

[B]

Claudia, we have to have him on the toast.

[A]

The Suite Life movie. Okay, I remember the movie. Baby geniuses.

[B]

Oh, we loved that movie.

[A]

Yeah, he did that.

[B]

Of course we did.

[A]

That's like, oh, bring it on. Fight to the finish. I don't know that one.

[B]

Is that sharks for shots? No. Do you want to hear the funny.

[A]

And then, wait, also Legally Blonde. Remember those two twins from Disney?

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like the go to for.

[A]

He's an extremely decorated. He also did a couple of Casper movies. Oh, and then of course, Bow Artist at War.

[B]

The Holocaust movie that we were doing ads for.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Directed by Sean McNamara.

[A]

Yeah. That's why he's on my brain. Who also did Bratz. Yeah.

[B]

King.

[A]

King Range.

[B]

Do you want to know something so funny? When Olivia did the toast with me, we were talking about something about the jets. And I like, made a joke, Sharks versus Jets. And she was like, what's that? And I was like, oh, this, like, Bring it on. Where it's like Sharks versus Jets cheerleading.

[A]

They're getting extremely turnt. Bring it on.

[B]

That's exactly what I said. Bring it on seven.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

Sharks versus Jets. So Claudia and I say everything. Sharks versus Jets. But apparently Sharks versus Jets is from west side Story.

[A]

Yes. Oh, you didn't know the original?

[B]

Like, no. Now that sounds familiar. But like, Bring it on seven was referencing west side Story.

[A]

Yes. Bring it on seven is like a modern adaptation of west side Story. Not a lot of people don't see that, but it is.

[B]

It's like how Clueless is like Jane Austen.

[A]

It's exactly like that. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The Lion King is Hamlet.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Bring it on seven is west side Story.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So that was funny that I learned that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story? Brianna Chicken Fry went on impulsive podcast.

[A]

She's actually making a lot of news from this podcast.

[B]

Yes. So she's discussing Zach Brian's new marriage and friendship dissolution with Grace, which I literally, like, I'm.

[A]

I'm over Zach Brian. Like, I love what she did for us. Like, letting him know, like, we all know who he is. Like, I don't need to hear from her on Zach. Bryan. I feel like the more interesting thing is her relationship with Grace because, like, there was a two week period where everyone on the planet was talking about them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, their friendship breakup. And there was. Everyone was Team Grace. Like, that's when Brianna really became the villain. She was, like, riding this high of, like, being beloved by everyone after telling everyone about Zach Ryan, the $12 million, turning it down. And then I think people also really understood, like, how her and Grace had started to drift apart. She was in this really toxic relationship and you probably weren't being like the best friend you could be. And everyone took Grace's side in the friendship breakup. I feel like that was, like, bad for Brianna's q Score. Like, everyone was loving her after the Zach Ryan thing, and then it went completely downhill. I just want to say I was never, like, a hundred percent Team Grace, because I kind of saw. And this is exactly what Brianna said. Like, she said when people started, like, speculating that there was beef between them and then really started to, like, send Briana a lot of hate while Brianna was dealing with this abusive relationship that Grace knew about. Nobody knew about it, but Grace did. Brianna was like, can you tell, like, people to, like, off a little bit? Like, this is a podcast that Brianna started that Brianna made, you know, popular and then gave Grace a job at and gave Grace a platform. People started to really like Grace. They were like, you know, like, us, like a Jackie and a Claudia. You're like a Grace or a Brie. And, like, there are a lot of friendships that mimic that. And then she kind of, like, created this monster in Grace where, like, Grace was getting more hype and everybody loved Grace. And when Briana was like, really, you know, going through it, Brianna was like, can you just, like, tell everyone, like, we're good? Like, everyone's like.

[B]

Especially because they were. They were, like, coming at Brianna on Grace's behalf. Yeah, it's like, it's very easy to be like, no. Brie and I are great. Like, please stop. And also is the fans of their show. It's not just, like, haters. Like, it was their own fans, like, turning on Bri for the sake of Grace. So if Grace could have been the quickest way to end it and be like, no, we're good.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Like, please stop sending hate.

[A]

And Briana said on this podcast that Grace, like, said, no. Now I do give Grace a little Grace because, like, she was so new. There's no easy way to navigate, like, what they like the tick tock drum. It became so big. There's no right way to navigate that. Maybe if you're like five, ten years in this business, you know what to do. But she was literally a year into it. She was, like, unemployed before. No one knows how to handle it. So I give her a little bit of Grace, but, like, she should have defended her friend, especially when at that point her friend had done so much for her, like, given her a job, gotten her a job at barstool.

[B]

It feels like basic, like, friendship. Even if you're on the schoolyard, someone's bullying your friend, you say, hey, that's my friend. Yeah, it feels like you don't have to be in this business for so long to just, like. And it's not like you're even putting yourself out there. Everyone loves you all. You just. Everyone loves us.

[A]

But then it's.

[B]

All you have to say is like, no. Like, please stop. Bri and I are good. What you're saying is just unwarranted. Right? That's it.

[A]

And then the interesting thing was, was, like, I remember us talking about their friendship breakup and the podcast breakup being like, this is so interesting. Cause, like, the drama is so big. But the podcast was not that big. Like, it's very outsized. And when they both, like, split up and then it was, like, big drama that she went to unwell, remember? I was, like, very interested to see if either of their individual projects were going to take off in a meaningful way, because their shared project, like, wasn't even that big. It was just so crazy how big the drama came. I think it was, like, the Zach Bryan of it all. And now she does a podcast. And it was like, all the people who were, like, gassing up Grace weren't really doing it for Grace. I think they were doing it because they hated Brianna. Because Grace's podcast, I don't even know if they still do it. It wasn't like. It wasn't like she had all these fans. It was like they really let the Internet come between them, like, in a real way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think they could have gotten past it. But then what Brianna said on this podcast, it's like, you know, they're home friends. They have, like, a whole group of friends outside of Internet, people we don't know. Like, college friends, high school friends, hometown friends who, like, are getting married. Like, they still see each other out a lot. And she says, great. She literally said, grace is evil. She said, like, grace won't talk to me. She's telling everyone, like, she hates me. When, like, Brianna has said, like, maybe there was room to reconcile, but Grace says, like, no.

[B]

And now Brianna says, no. Yeah, no.

[A]

Now, like, they're done.

[B]

We will never be friends again.

[A]

And I think there was a period where, like, interviewers would, like, ask Brianna. Brianna does a lot of interviews. Grace doesn't. They were asking Brianna, like, oh, your friendship breakup. And she was, like, very political about it, you know, leaving room, being like, I just want what's best for grades. Like, we're not talking right now, but, like, we're good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And now it's like, I hate her. She hates me. She's evil. She thinks I'm evil. Like, it's bad.

[B]

The gloves are off.

[A]

And I guess that was the catalyst for that, was like, them having, you know, interactions at, like, you know, engagement parties, life things of your hometown, friends. That went really poorly.

[B]

Yeah. So that's that on that.

[A]

Like, it was kind of interesting, though, like, from a podcast perspective, to see, like, people were comparing it at the time to Call her daddy. Right. Like, the breaking up. But Call her daddy at that time was doing, like, a million downloads an episode. It was the biggest show in the world. It was on top of the charts, on top of Joe Rogan. Like, it was the biggest show in the world.

[B]

So it was the biggest show in the world. Breaks up. It's the biggest story in the world. This was just like, two girls. Yeah.

[A]

But it became so big, and it was like, did any of you even listen to the podcast?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I think that, like, the answer was no, because both. And Brianna doesn't even have a podcast anymore, and I don't even know if Grace does. Yeah.

[B]

They ended BFF gifts, but I think.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It still does. Pran Plan Brie. Like, I think solo. Yeah. I think in some capacity, there is still plan Brie.

[A]

Well, the drama was bigger than the show.

[B]

Grace doesn't still have a podcast.

[A]

She might, like, I don't know.

[B]

Okay. The point is that you don't know.

[A]

Correct. Like, I know she does stand up, but, like, based on how people were just, like, gassing her up and, like, hating on Brianna, you would think that, like, she's out, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Well, a different lesson that I think you have to, like, learn the hard way, and it's not something that's so clear is, like, to not let the Internet, like, I affect your real life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's something that, like, more years of experience might have. They might have known that.

[A]

So I feel like maybe Brianna knew it. Like, but Grace was so new, and that's why I really can't fault her.

[B]

Like, when everyone's, like, telling you that.

[A]

You'Re so great, and Brianna's mean to.

[B]

You, terrible, and she's such a bad friend, like, it's hard to not listen to that. And so maybe she believed it, and that's why she didn't stand up for Bri, because she believed it.

[A]

And Briana now talks about it very openly. And I actually feel would love to hear Grace's pov.

[B]

Like, have we not. She went on Theo Vaughn.

[A]

Did she? But I think that was when they were still in the period of, like, we're not friends. We might not ever be, but, like, we're good. It was, like, very civilized. And now something I think happened where.

[B]

Like, they hate each other with home friends and, like, yeah. People against each other. That's such a weird dynamic. And it's really sad to me. I know when it happened, I felt very sad about it. I don't feel as sad now because, like, now there's just grown women.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Yeah, but it was. They just felt like, like, girls who, like, came into this world together and they.

[A]

And, like, really grew up very, very regular. Like, and this was, like, their big break, and they could have been huge. It was a devastating story about how, like, the Internet is so cruel.

[B]

Zach, Brian, like, yes. Bri wasn't a good friend and she chose him over Grace. But, like, also, she was young and.

[A]

Impressionable in an abusive relationship with a rock star. So, like, I give her Grace for that also.

[B]

Right.

[A]

No, it was, like, a crazy saga.

[B]

It was and it still is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now they just, like, both operate in the Internet sphere, which isn't, like, huge. And at their friends weddings.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

The two influencer friends who hate each other.

[A]

Honestly, it would have been sadder if one of them was booted from the hometown group. Like, that would have been wrong. You know, if. Then suddenly Grace doesn't get invited to anyone's wedding.

[B]

It also makes you feel like not one of them is so clearly in the wrong, because if they were, like, their other friends would have taken aside and been like, how could you do that?

[A]

Correct. That's a good point.

[B]

So it's just to hurt people. Hurting people.

[A]

Yeah. I'm kind of ready for the gray. Sit down. Like, Brianna's been very open. I saw her on a red carpet also talking about it more like, she doesn't give a anymore. I'm telling you, something happened. So I'd love to hear Grace's pov.

[B]

Yeah, let's. This would be a good show, you know, like, Tell me Lies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, two small town girls.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Get into, like, influence.

[A]

Wait, they should shop it. Maybe that's a project that brings them back together.

[B]

No.

[A]

And then Brianna, like, further apart because.

[B]

It'S, like, more famous.

[A]

Oh, yeah. No, it's also like, are we telling your version or mine?

[B]

Like, Ashley Tisdale or.

[A]

Yeah, but the concept. And then, like, one of them starts dating like, John Mayer, you know, like. Yeah, I love that.

[B]

And then it comes between them and the show and the Tell me Lies.

[A]

People should do it.

[B]

It's like a combination of, like, Tell me lies nobody wants.

[A]

I was gonna say that.

[B]

I want to say, like, Anna Delvey, because that just started as a story that got picked up just A free idea. I don't have the time to do it because, like, I have a lot going on.

[A]

But I would watch it. We have the time to watch it, not to make it.

[B]

Yeah. And support it. And if you guys, like, want to bounce any ideas off me, like, I'm around for that, but beyond that, I can't participate. Free idea. Free idea.

[A]

Don't call me.

[B]

Seriously, don't call me.

[A]

And that goes for everyone.

[B]

You will never pick up your call.

[A]

Except me, obviously. Oh, no.

[B]

You FaceTime, like, yeah. Family members.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. FaceTime is good.

[B]

Other people, like, seriously, do not call me.

[A]

And I feel like I'm getting more calls than ever. It's insane.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story?

[A]

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[A]

Whatever the opposite of businessman of the week is, is Massimo, like, after his.

[B]

Breakup from Lori Loughlin. So Mossimo Giannulli, ex husband of Lori Loughlin, father of Olivia Jade, is spotted with a new lady love. Her name is Hannah Harrison and she is a stylist.

[A]

How old is she?

[B]

She is younger, unclear. 32, and he is 62.

[A]

That's really yucky. Especially when you have, like, daughters around that age.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I literally hate Mossimo Giannooli consulting on his new line. Sure.

[B]

She doesn't look like she's dressed as a consultant. Like, let me say, she looks like she's, like, having morning after coffee with her man.

[A]

Like, imagine fumbling Lori Laughlin. Like, imagine Lori Laughlin, like, taking the L for you and your family. I just, I like, I think he's.

[B]

Disgusting and, like, fumbling your family. Like, what a family.

[A]

She literally looks like she'd be friends with, like, Olivia. I can't lie. Like, he's extremely good looking. He kind of looks like David Beckham, don't you think? Look at that picture. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. I'm just not here for it. Definitely candidate for weenie of the week. Go home to your family and stop it.

[B]

Yeah, go home. Massimo, do not come. Yeah. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? The reason, and I just hope Lori.

[A]

Loughlin is, like, getting dicked down by, like, a bit with Paul Salem. Okay.

[B]

She needs Paul Salem, she.

[A]

She actually went businessman and it went south. And that's the thing about Mossimo that's so frustrating is, like, when you choose a businessman, you're supposed to be getting.

[B]

All the things you're like.

[A]

What he did was so the antithesis of, like, why we suggest a businessman bow for women in Hollywood. So he's like the failed experiment. He's the exception, not the rule.

[B]

Of course, of course.

[A]

So I hope she continues actually at this rate, though, like, she doesn't need, like, a stable. She just needs to have fun.

[B]

Yeah, whatever.

[A]

Let her hair down.

[B]

Lori wants maybe, like, Jacob Elordi has.

[A]

Like, a friend for her. That's what she needs for an Olivia to be going on, like, double dates. Okay.

[B]

Our fifth and final story is Tell Me Lies recap. So the Tell Me Lies creator is diving into the finale and explaining why the show is ending. She said we couldn't it up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Megan Oppenheimer, who's the creator of Tell Me Lies, gave an interview explaining why this season is the final season.

[A]

And I like how they dropped it like, the day before. It's not like we were waiting. All that's kind of better. Like, that was clearly an intentional choice, one I was confused by. But ultimately I. I like.

[B]

And it also helped. If we knew that this was the last episode, like, coming up, we would know that things are almost over. It almost be a spoiler that, like, oh, we're not getting more wedding. Like, knowing that it was like, oh, okay, so this wraps this up. Like, we were even talking about it how there's gonna be a second half of second semester.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But no, like, second semester's over. Like, we learned a lot in knowing that the series was ending. So she said, I went into this season saying, we are going to wrap things up and give a satisfying ending and then see what happens. I always felt like three seasons was a perfect number. I always knew that I wanted the final downfall in college to culminate with whatever happens at the end of the wedding weekend end. Yeah. The last episode was so crazy. Now I watched the two of them back to back. So some of it, like, it's gonna. I don't remember what was in the finale, but spoilers from here on out.

[A]

So let's talk about the ending. People are interpreting it one of two ways. And to me, there's like, literally only one way. But so, you know, she gets in the car with him, like, and they stop for coffee and he literally abandons her on the side of the road. And she, the show ends with her laughing. And a lot of people like myself, I was like, well, of course, like, he disappointed you one last time. But at this point, like, you've hung on for so long, he's actually not interested anymore. And like, jokes on you. Like, of course she got in the car. Now other people are like, well, no. Why she was laughing was because she's finally free. She let Steven think that he is choosing to get away. Kind of how like Diana did it. Like, Diane, you have to. That's what the advice Diana gave Lucy is like, to unravel yourself from Steven. It has to to. You have to make him think it's his idea.

[B]

Yeah, because, like, if you reject him, he's such a narcissistic egomaniac, he will lash out and you will never be free of him because he'll always wanting to be punished you as opposed to. If he thinks it's his idea, then.

[A]

That'S how Diana got out.

[B]

He moves on from you because he's.

[A]

Over you now, to give Lucy that much credit, like, you guys have not been watching the show. I mean, there's no way in the world that she thought this through. Because, you know, when Diana gave her that advice, she wasn't even listening. Like, like, this is a girl who time after time, even as of this morning, had sex with him. Now, maybe you could say that was all a part of her plan. I don't think so.

[B]

No. She's never had one good plan. We saw it with when she was trying to get the tape back.

[A]

Oh, my God. Going to the Yale thing. I was shaking my TV girl. Get out.

[B]

Oh, my God. And still it has not occurred to this girl that she can transfer. She's guilt stricken with guilt. She's sick. What she could do for herself is tell everyone the truth and say, I'm transferring before they have a chance to.

[A]

Ruin her life or get expelled.

[B]

Yeah, Feel so terrible. Like, I'm literally watching this girl come. I'm like, you could just all of your problems go away if you transfer. You didn't kill anyone. Nothing that you've done is a crime that will follow you outside of Baird. Just leave. So when she was going to study abroad, I'm like, at least that's better. She needs a break. But, like, she. She needs a break from Bri because she did really hurt her. And you can't have a true friendship with someone. I know she doesn't want to tell Brie because she doesn't want to upset her. But, like, you can't have A true friendship with someone when you are harboring the secret. So even though it'd be selfish to tell Bri because it's like you were unbridling yourself, you need a tabula rasa.

[A]

So, yes, I found the finale a little frustrating just because it felt a little bit rushed. Like, I do think it was a good ending, a perfect ending. And for people who want to give Lucy the benefit of the doubt, like, there is a version.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Think that that's not what happened. That's not why she was laughing also.

[B]

I think maybe it was, but, like, then there's a loose end of the fact that she, like, walked out on her friends. Bri said, like, if you leave now, there's no chance for us. This is your last chance to not make a choice. That's completely embarrassing. And so even though maybe she got rid of Steven, like, she has nothing too, right? She doesn't have Bri. She doesn't have her friends because they all think that she's a doormat again.

[A]

So there were, like, just a couple of random jumps. It felt a little rushed. Like, like, we never understood how and why Lucy was dating the bartender at the wedding. Yeah, like, that was such a random thing.

[B]

Especially because, like, now she got expelled. She's not gonna see him.

[A]

Of course she's not going back to that town.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then also, like, that whole professor intervention.

[B]

That was weird.

[A]

That was so weird. Maybe it was, like, fueling Bri being in a really bad mental state to make the decision to release the tape, which was a great, great plot twist.

[B]

And being in a bad mental state to take Evan back. Like, all the disruption in her life and Evan. And it's like, Evan, you would think it's like Brie and Wrigley are, you know, having an affair. And it's like, what about Evan? Like, he. All he's guilty of is, like, love loving her. But then they turned him evil, too by, like, having him try and get inside her head. And the thing is, his plan didn't work. She wasn't destabilized because her mom came drunk. She was destabilized because Wrigley had sex with Pippa, and that's why she went back to Evan. So, like. Like, he did all this for nothing?

[A]

Well, Wrigley and Pippa. Wrigley and Bri ending up together. Like, we won.

[B]

Yes. But I have a couple things to say about that. Like, first of all, the fact that their or origin story is just, like, this photography class.

[A]

And a kiss.

[B]

And a musty kiss.

[A]

I Agree.

[B]

And then they're holding on to that for years. Years. When they finally get back together, it just doesn't feel like enough of like an anchor of like.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

Forbidden love. However, if things had worked out for them and like, like they were able to let the dust settle and then start dating a few months later, I think all the, you know, the shock from like Pippa and Evan, like all of that would have clouded their potential to have a relationship. They really couldn't have embarked on a relationship in college in a timely manner in college. So they had to have this gap. But then when they finally get back together again in Evan's parents house at the engagement party, like, it's another like we never got like a pargy romantic moment for them. First of all, they have the same hair. Second of all, why does Wrigley look like a mess with that wig?

[A]

Okay, the wig.

[B]

Why did they have him look a mess. The wig. And he should be wearing a wig in college and then be like handsome, clean shaven Wrigley at. In the future. I want like he looks like a disaster. And I remember from the first episode like he was having a hard time at the engagement party and they said it was because it was the anniversary.

[A]

Of his brother death.

[B]

But now we realize it's because the girl that he loves is getting married. Getting married to someone else. But like, like he doesn't seem like he really got it together after college. Does he have a job?

[A]

No.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So it's like that's who branded up with. But she was like looking for that stability that, that you know, stable force for. And that's why Evan was so great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But they had to make Evan a.

[B]

Villain so that we don't feel bad that she's cheating on him. Yeah.

[A]

I just also a criticism I have of the finale was like they kind of made levity of everything, you know, like this was like a serious show. Like he low key killed someone. He was an abuser. Like, and why was he invited to the wedding?

[B]

Yeah, why did Evan like Brie, you.

[A]

Can'T tell ev even if he stayed friends. Like Brie, you have no control over who's invited to your wedding. I know she said it was like Evan's parents, but like you're inviting him and Lucy to your wedding and like.

[B]

Why did they need to go through all that for Lucy to be free? Like, was she not free when they.

[A]

Broke up and she got kicked out of college and he was going to law school?

[B]

Yeah. And he sort of had the last laugh like, she was completely destroyed.

[A]

Best part of the show when they were like, who would send Yale admissions about? And then they cut to Wrigley walking down because I was like, who?

[B]

But it also. It made, like, just girls in general look so stupid. Because it's like Lucy, Diana and Pippa are, like, racking their brains of how do we get back at Steven, how do we make him suffer? They literally go to Wrigley and in two seconds, he fixes it. He, like, has an appropriate reaction and plan for how to destabilize Steven. Like, the girls don't look so good.

[A]

Yeah. Where is the Emmy for some of these actors? Like, Lucy at the scene in the dean's office, like, that was a plus. Acting brilliant was like, really? Does it show ever nominated for an Emmy or anything?

[B]

Like, it should be. And I think Lucy is really an amazing. And of course, Stephen, because apparently he's like, a good cool. I'm sure he is. But Lucy just, like, is like, she's the ball of anxiety.

[A]

And then also they kept alluding to, like, things getting really bad for Lucy, sophomore year, I was waiting for her to, like, have some sort of episode.

[B]

Well, it was an episode. Yeah.

[A]

She got expelled.

[B]

She got expelled. She's forgetting things. She's having, like, night.

[A]

And, like, whatever happened with Lydia, like, so many sort of, like, loose ends.

[B]

Well. Well, they could have dragged it out. So we see Lucy go home and have a mental breakdown and go.

[A]

I want to even show us her mom. Her mom was such a big part of the first season.

[B]

Yeah. Go into. They probably didn't want to pay her for this season.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Go into a mess.

[A]

Stuck an extra on the front seat. Yeah.

[B]

Like, we probably, like, she probably has to, like, get help. Does she go to another college?

[A]

Yeah. It was nice to see that, like, Diana and Pippa clearly worked it out.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, they were in a new relationship. So they weren't together these six years. Because, honestly, if they were, they probably would have broken up. Up.

[A]

Right. So they made their way back to one another, you know, but it was nice when they were like, should we get out of here? Like, they're still. And that was like the theme with them. Like, they really both pretty much stayed out of it. Like, they realized how crazy these people are. Oh, the scene where they both.

[B]

No, they didn't. Like, Pippa really took it upon herself to make sure Stephen paid the price. She would not let it go. Everyone knew. Yeah, it's a bad guy. But Pippa was the only one who was like, why are we letting him go with this?

[A]

Yeah. Also the scene where she tells Pippa, tells Lucy that she's cheated on Wrigley for the last couple of weeks. And then it's like, oh, I guess we're sharing. Lucy shares about Evan and Pippa's like, get the fuck out of here. He's disgusting. Like, that was really sad.

[B]

That was really sad.

[A]

And like, I feel Pippa, but, like, they are both guilty of the same.

[B]

Crime and Lucy's is a little worse. Like lying to her best friend. But to act like you're so morally superior, you're not like, that much greater.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially because, like, then you lied, like, you made Wrigley feel like, and lied to him. And then you correct. And then you only corrected it because you didn't want to be as disgusting as Lucy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So you should thank Lucy for showing you how to be the way.

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

That was sad. But we had to see Lucy, like, really hit rock bottom.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. Like, the last scene at the wedding, like, Steven's speech, like, didn't give me that, like, feeling just because, like, it was so light. I really thought a chandelier was about to fall on. Oh, no. I thought when they got into a car, it was going to be like the show started with that car crash with Macy. They get into the car, they were obviously drinking. It was three in the morning. And like, they get into an accident and either, like, he leaves Lucy there or Lucy leaves him there. Like something sort of poetic. No, he just left her on the side of the road. The purse on the floor was hysterical.

[B]

That would have been good to have, like, the car symbol.

[A]

That's what I thought.

[B]

No, I really thought he was about to die. I'm like, wait, this is. This is what we said.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He needs to die.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this I get.

[A]

It was just, like, funny and jokey when the whole time it was like, not a funny, jokey show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like when Wrigley and Brie, like, looked at each other with.

[B]

But it's also like six years out. Like, all that stuff when you're in it.

[A]

Yeah. Feels like, so heavy.

[B]

Like, feels so serious. And even for Lucy, like, what was happening to her was so horrible. But again, if she just left the environment and went everywhere else, like, it's over. And I think that's also the point is, like, at. In the moment, like, everything. These feel like the only three people on earth. These three guys and these three girls. And then, like, it's six years and it's a big world. And it's like. It's like a joke. Yeah. Oh. I mean, it's crazy that Evan and Bri actually got married and they're gonna have to get an old.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But for everyone else, it's like, oh, there's a whole world out there.

[A]

Right. And, like, as much as all these people have grown up, like, Stephen is able to get under their skin in three seconds. Like.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know why Lucy even engaged with. Why she was even struggling with Stephen at the party, because it seems like after sophomore year, she never sees it. Like, it's over, so.

[A]

And how many years later? Six years. Right. 2009 to 2015.

[B]

Okay, so why is the whole wedding engagement and the Bachelorette? Remember those episodes, too? They were at, like, a bachelor. The joint bachelor bachelorette party.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It's, like, taunting her still.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, why is she struggling so much? So she has to extricate herself again. So now when Brie and Wrigley get married, she's gonna have to do it again.

[A]

Yeah. I just want to, like, I aim one day to be as delusional as the people who think that, like, she extradited herself on purpose and got left on the side of the road, and her plan worked. Like, you. Have you not been watching the show?

[B]

She could have also not gone to the wedding if you were really, like, healed and healed.

[A]

And I don't think her and Brie are that close. It was like the kind of that friend you have in your bridal party.

[B]

If you are inviting this person to your wedding.

[A]

Like, I love you, but I can't come.

[B]

I can't come. And, like, that person wouldn't. And then Brie would go to Evan and say Stephen King. Like, it's very. That's how actual real friendships would work. Like, but I don't invite someone's, like, abusive ex.

[A]

I don't think Brie and Lucy, like, were even that close over the six years. I think it's like, you know, you make someone your. Because, like, they were my college roommate. Like, I don't think that they were even that close. So, like, it was.

[B]

But they were close sophomore year.

[A]

Yes. It was, like, a special friendship that, like, had potential to be sisterhood.

[B]

Yeah. But then. But it could never be because Lucy was hiding the secret, and then Brie was hiding a bigger one. I would say.

[A]

I would say as well. And the greatest line was, like, you have the opportunity right now for the first time in your life, to make a decision that isn't totally embarrassing.

[B]

Yeah. Every Decision this girl made was the Yale.

[A]

I was clenching my butt cheeks rooting for her.

[B]

Like, she. He's also the villain of the show. And they said that last season. No. Because she makes so many bad choices. Yeah, she's not the villain and some of.

[A]

But she's very hard to root for. But like, you have to keep reminding yourself that like, she's literally 18 and being abused by like one of the most so like sociopathic people on the planet. So you have to keep reminding yourself of that.

[B]

Errors are unforced errors.

[A]

Yeah, she got away, by the way. But also, I don't know what Stephen was gonna do.

[B]

Initially made the lie about. About Chris and said it was her.

[A]

Yeah. Being like a justice warrior.

[B]

Nobody asked her to do that.

[A]

But then that also made her relationship with Pippa, like, really complicated. So like, part of you also wants to shake Pippa being like Lucy, like, she's insanely dumb, but she did all of it in earnest, like to protect you and like to fight on your behalf.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So then like, like she gets expelled and like, it's like people didn't even show up to pack her bags. Yeah, it was an ra.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. Gracie crazy. Very good show.

[A]

Very good show.

[B]

I wonder what it was happened in the book.

[A]

I know, I'm good.

[B]

No, I just am curious. Like, sound off in the comments. What was the book about?

[A]

I guess like the big reveal was that like Brie was the one who.

[B]

Released the tape that happened in the book. I guess there's a tape in the book.

[A]

I could see the book being like, Lucy experienced this like life shattering thing in college where her ex boyfriend released this like revenge tape and then she goes to the wedding to see him for the first time and it's all about that. And then she comes to find that like it was actually her best friend, Bray.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

Like that could be a really good.

[B]

Plot twist because I feel like the book was about like just college Macy. Right. You know, the first season was more Macy and Rigley end up together at the end of the book. I don't know, like, let us know. Sound up in the comments.

[A]

But is the three seasons like the book or was like season one the book and then they like made it.

[B]

More stuff, but even if they added it afterwards, they really. And I would love to watch the early episodes again now to see if.

[A]

Yes, I was thinking that too.

[B]

Bread between Bri and Wrigley is there, but no jolly good job. Except for the wigs and the haircut.

[A]

The Wrigley wig is so weird.

[B]

The wiggly.

[A]

The wiggly. I like that. Well, that's tell me lies. That's a season wrap on tell me lies. That's a series series wrap on tell me lies and that's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the CH when we deliver the Fast 5 stories you need to know every Monday the Friday on YouTube are watching us on YouTube. Please feel subscribing. Give this video a thumbs up up. We're also available as podcast podcasting, Spotify, June Twitcher, public video about a beautiful setting and oh.

[B]

Love you. Bye.

[A]

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