The Year in Numbers: Wednesday, December 4th, 2024

Summary

The Toast - Episode: The Year in Numbers: Wednesday, December 4th, 2024

Hosts: Jackie and Claudia Oshry
Release Date: December 4, 2024
Description: Take a bite out of The Toast, weekdays with Jackie & Claudia Oshry.

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Introduction

The episode begins with Jackie and Claudia sharing their personal updates and moods for the week. Jackie feels energized despite a non-traditional start to her week, while Claudia vents about a rough morning, expressing frustration and exhaustion despite feeling at her best the previous night.

• Claudia: "I'm having a terrible morning... I cracked the code. I actually did a workout yesterday... I feel like I've been hit by a bus." [00:55]

Spotify Wrapped: Accuracy and Social Sharing

Jackie and Claudia dive into a critical discussion about Spotify Wrapped, questioning its accuracy and the social pressure to share personal streaming statistics.

• Claudia: "Spotify wrapped is no longer factual. I felt completely represented in the data, but... this one was so boring." [05:27]
• Jackie: "Spotify Wrapped is not what it used to be. It's not data-driven anymore." [05:43]

They express annoyance over the ubiquitous sharing of Spotify Wrapped on social media, feeling it has become an overhyped and often inaccurate reflection of one’s musical preferences.

Taylor Swift vs. Beyoncé: Streaming Numbers vs. Cultural Impact

The hosts compare Taylor Swift’s impressive streaming numbers with Beyoncé's cultural influence, sparking a debate on what truly defines an artist's success.

• Jackie: "Taylor Swift is Spotify's most streamed artist for 2024 with over 26.6 billion streams globally." [20:28]
• Claudia: "Billboard awarded Beyoncé as the top pop star based on cultural impact, despite Taylor's higher streaming numbers." [22:22]

They critique Billboard's decision to rank Beyoncé higher due to her cultural impact, despite Taylor Swift's dominant streaming statistics, highlighting the subjective nature of such rankings.

Breakup of Sabrina Carpenter and Barry Keoghan

Jackie and Claudia discuss the recent breakup between Sabrina Carpenter and Barry Keoghan, emphasizing the infidelity that led to the split.

• Claudia: "He was caught cheating with a blonde, semi-famous LA-based influencer who's particularly big on TikTok." [34:21]
• Jackie: "I'm glad they broke up. She's going to find someone better." [35:37]

They express support for Sabrina, condemning Barry's actions and expressing relief that the relationship has ended.

Vicki Gunvalson’s Hot Mic Moment on "The Vial Files" Podcast

The conversation shifts to Vicki Gunvalson's recent unintended remarks during her appearance on Nick Viall’s podcast, "The Vial Files."

• Claudia: "She forgot to end the Zoom call and started talking about the show... it was just an awkward moment." [40:05]
• Jackie: "The Vial Files is probably one of the best titled podcasts on the planet." [41:21]

They find the incident humorous and harmless, discussing the minor mispronunciation of Nick Viall’s last name and the overall harmlessness of the unintentional comments.

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Recap

Jackie and Claudia provide a detailed recap of the latest episode of "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills," critiquing the lack of substantial drama and overuse of cliffhangers.

• Claudia: "The feud between Kyle and Dorit is confusing and unbalanced." [62:04]
• Jackie: "The trip looked amazing, but the drama was lackluster." [66:43]

They analyze the dynamics between cast members, particularly focusing on Kyle Richards and Dorit Kemsley, and express disappointment over the episode's anticlimactic moments.

Aaron Rodgers’ Netflix Documentary

The hosts discuss the upcoming Netflix documentary series "Aaron Rodgers: Enigma," which chronicles his comeback from an Achilles heel injury and personal struggles.

• Jackie: "The documentary covers his loss of friendships, family issues, and his injury recovery." [55:00]
• Claudia: "I'm over Aaron Rodgers. He's just disappointing lately." [55:32]

While Jackie is interested in the documentary for its in-depth look at Aaron Rodgers' life, Claudia expresses frustration with Rodgers' recent performance and public demeanor.

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Notable Quotes

• Claudia on Spotify Wrapped:
  "Spotify wrapped is no longer factual." [05:27]

• Claudia on Personal Struggles:
  "I'm having a terrible morning... I cracked the code." [00:55]

• Jackie on Beyoncé vs. Taylor:
  "If you want to get technical, Taylor Swift is the biggest." [20:49]

• Claudia on Taylor’s Streaming:
  "I've made the decision this year... Spotify Wrapped is so uninteresting to me." [07:22]

• Jackie on Beyoncé’s Ranking:
  "Beyoncé was named Billboard's number one pop star based on cultural impact." [22:22]

• Claudia on Sabrina and Barry's Breakup:
  "I'm glad they broke up. She's going to find someone better." [35:37]

• Jackie on Aaron Rodgers’ Documentary:
  "The documentary covers his loss of friendships, family issues, and his injury recovery." [55:00]

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Conclusion

In "The Year in Numbers," Jackie and Claudia Oshry offer a candid and insightful exploration of current trends in music streaming, celebrity relationships, and reality TV dynamics. Their honest critique of Spotify Wrapped's accuracy and the debate between streaming numbers versus cultural impact sets a reflective tone for the episode. Additionally, their discussions on high-profile breakups and unexpected moments in popular podcasts provide listeners with a blend of entertainment and thoughtful commentary. The episode concludes with anticipation for upcoming cultural events and personal reflections, maintaining the engaging and authentic rapport that fans of "The Toast" appreciate.

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Tags: #PodcastSummary #TheToast #JackieAndClaudia #SpotifyWrapped #TaylorSwift #Beyoncé #CelebrityNews #RealHousewives #AaronRodgers #StreamingNumbers

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, millennials.

[B]

Welcome back to the toast and happy. What is it? Oh, it's Wednesday.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Beautifully for me. Feels like a Monday because I'm back at home and yesterday night, like, felt like a Sunday, so I'm kind of jazzed about that.

[B]

We're happy for you. It doesn't feel like that for us, but okay.

[A]

Like, hack your own week. Even though I worked, it's not even like I didn't work Monday, Tuesday, so just a little. We cackle.

[B]

I'm sorry to be so negative. I just need to tell everyone, like, I'm having a terrible morning. Like, I just feel like shit. And I'm so annoyed because yesterday was probably the best I felt in months. And I was ready to come on the show and be like, I'm out of it, you guys. I cracked the code. I actually did a workout yesterday. I stayed up late till 10:00. Oh, my God, I feel like I've been hit by a bus. I am not okay. And I'm in a fucking bad mood about it. So I'm just letting everyone know that if you're Clarity's being so negative today. Well, I'm dealing with a lot. Eat my fucking ass, bitch.

[A]

Claudia is not feeling well. So to the physical symptoms we can't help you with here at the toast. You know you're going to have. That's a journey. You have to walk on your own. But, like, so much the bad emotional symptoms, that's what we do here.

[B]

I know. And I'll feel better as I come.

[A]

Out of it better throughout the show. So I'm excited for that. For you.

[B]

It's just like, can I not have a moment of peace? And I know everyone's like, so tired of me complaining all the time. I'm sorry. Like, this is what I'm dealing with. Like, it is what it is.

[A]

Understood. Well, we're foolish Lama to Turdy.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

So you're having flu, like, symptoms, you say?

[B]

No, my. Just like, I'm tired. Oh. And you know what? I got into bed last night. I'm like, you know what? I'm doing it.

[A]

What are we doing?

[B]

I'm sleeping without a bra. Like, I'm just so sick of the bras, like, touching my skin.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But my boobs are so big and so heavy. And let me tell you, mistake of the century. If you're thinking about sleeping without a bra, don't fucking do it. I actually think my body is aching from the weight of my breasts being carried all night. Jackie. I was up all night. And like, God forbid, I just got up. I couldn't get up. Like, it felt like bricks on my. It was such a bad idea. And I feel like my entire disposition is due to the fact that I slept without a bra.

[A]

Interesting. I feel like you need a looser bra for sleeping. Like you.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

No, like, I love the Hatch maternity bras. It's like as close as you can get to like, not wearing a bra, but it's something. And those are really you. Why don't you borrow one while you're here? You could take one.

[B]

Maybe I will. I just.

[A]

I still wear them.

[B]

I feel like there's a girl out there who's pregnant and thinking about sleeping without a bra tonight. Like, don't fucking do it. I'm telling you, it will take me a week to recover. I think that's really the cause of what I'm feeling like.

[A]

Well, luckily for you, you're coming here tomorrow. Which. The journey. I don't envy you with your sickness, but I was planning on making a chicken soup today so you would have party lit.

[B]

You don't know how I feel.

[A]

Okay, what about this? Like, I'm going to make a chicken soup so that I have tasty. I'll pluck out the chicken for you. And noodles.

[B]

No, no. Okay, Like, I don't like soup. Although if I am, like, forced to partake, I do prefer matzo ball.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I've never, you know how, but I learned Frozen ones.

[A]

I can. I can learn. I could learn anything, but I can learn. Like, if Turdy needs matzo ball soup.

[B]

Jackie. What's that from?

[A]

Law and Order?

[B]

Oh, my God. It's like this random episode of Law and Order. For some reason, us as kids, like, we quoted all the time. What is. What's the. What I don't even know is. She's like a mom.

[A]

No, I thought she was a child.

[B]

But she wanted to raise a kid and she was like, but I can live without.

[A]

That's really sad.

[B]

Olivia would know. Olivia was really struck by the episode and that's why we started quoting it all the time.

[A]

How to make matzo balls.

[B]

But I can learn. Yeah, learn.

[A]

Well, not if you're not in the mood for soup.

[B]

I'm not in the mood for soup, but I am in the mood to be at your house. Like, that sounds nice.

[A]

We'll take good care of you here.

[B]

It is one fucking degree. Like, it is so cold. I'm ready.

[A]

What is the degree there?

[B]

In the 30s, we hit the threes. We hit a New decade. This.

[A]

We're in the 60s, which. Welcome to the 60s.

[B]

Whoa. Go, Jackie. Go, go, go.

[A]

Like, it's so cold for here. It's so amazing.

[B]

Yeah. That's nice. So, okay, I do have some things to look forward to. Life is worth living.

[A]

Plus, you're coming here. Then we've got Jizno on Sunday, and it's going to be a really big next few days. I feel like we're acting like it's not. I feel like we're acting like girls who don't have stuff going on, but we've got a lot going on.

[B]

And, like, it kills me that, like, we have stuff going on that we can't share. You know what I'm talking about right now.

[A]

I know we've got some big things brewing.

[B]

Yeah. So I will just, like, have to wait a year till we could tell.

[A]

You, but I believe it at that. And really annoy you guys.

[B]

Yeah. I don't. I'm so. Oh, by the way, today's Spotify wrapped. Speaking of annoying, let me tell you, and I know that I'm not saying this because I'm in a bad mood. I'm saying this because I really fucking feel that way. Like, please stop. Okay? You're. Everyone is allowed to share one screenshot from their Spotify wrapped, whether you want to share what song you listen to the most, who your favorite artist was. I don't care which one you choose, you get one. People like doing an analysis on their fucking Instagram story. Okay. Yours was funny because Billy Eichner being in your top five, I'll allow it to. Because nobody's is that interesting. Yours is probably the most interesting one could be, and it wasn't even that interesting. Okay? I'm sick of it. Like, you get one. I posted one. Flex.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, not only is Taylor Swift my number one artist, she's four to five of my top songs. Like, some of you bitches not to call out snitch, have Taylor Swift as your number one artist, and she's not even on your top five songs. Like, please. Everybody gets one.

[A]

Oh, and by the way, explain how that makes sense for the second year in a row. I just want to say Spotify wrapped is no longer factual. I don't know what the angle is, but, Claudia, how many times, Even when you're here, how many times we listen to We Know the Way from Moana?

[B]

I could tell you how many times in the Hamptons. I could. I could tell you how many times, because I literally know every word to that terrible Fucking song, right?

[A]

Not only is that not even on my hundred playlist, it's not on my playlist of my top songs of 2024. Lin Manuel should have been my number one artist. Meanwhile, my number two song, Hakuna Matata, which is by four people including Billy Eichner. And now Billy Eichner is my number four artist, beating out Sabrina Carpenter, Shabuzi, Casey Musgraves. It's a lie. It's lies.

[B]

I'm feeling as though it's no longer data driven.

[A]

It's not data driven. This Bluey song is my number one song. We listened to that for three weeks now. I just want to say it's a 30 second song. So we played it on repeat so many times. So probably the length of. We played it six times for every one time we would listen to another song. But that was not the number one song. The number one song was We Know the Way. And the number two songs were Spidey and his amazing friends. And my number one artist should have been Fall Out Boy because we listened to that on repeat. It's lies.

[B]

Yeah. I think when you have kids like it. Mine felt data driven. I'm going to say that I felt completely represented in the data. But also, you know, as a creator on Spotify because we release our episodes, you also get your own Spotify wrapped. Like sharing stats about how many countries were the podcast was listening to. And I felt like this year they really phoned it and they usually give really good tea like about like what other podcasts you're beating like good shit. This one was so boring. Like I didn't even screenshot anything to send to you. Like there was nothing of note.

[A]

Yeah, Spotify wrapped is not what it used to be.

[B]

It's not. And I just like, I seriously need everyone, like not to be so mean. But like we're in this group chat with a bunch of our friends and everybody was like sending screenshots this morning and I literally want to read like, you guys, nobody fucking cares. Like, it's so uninteresting to me. Even if you're like my lover, the love of my life, Ben, I don't give a fuck. Like seriously, people are so self involved when it comes to Spotify rap thinking that anybody gives us.

[A]

Okay, what about all the people who tag us that the toast was their number one listen to podcast.

[B]

So that was the next point I wanted to make because I've made the decision this year. You know, it's like always a flex, like so many people. I mean, this Morning. I already have like over a hundred mentions, like how many people tag us that were their number one podcast of the year. And it's so flattering. And every year I'm like always sharing them and like flexing on the other podcasters, but it's annoying and I've decided I'm not going to partake this year. But I do want everyone to know, like, my DMS are flooded. Like everyone's talking.

[A]

I don't have plans to repost everyone, but I'm going to see how other people's reposts make me feel. Like if I'm hating watching them or I'm like, oh, this is like so fun. I want to get involved. Maybe I'll post. I want to. I want to read the room a little bit. But I just want to say I give a couple fucks about Spotify rap. There are a couple things that are interesting and our first story, which is the top streamed artist of the year, which is incredibly telling. And then I think there are people who like pretend to like certain things because it's like cool and edgy and meanwhile like your number one played artist is Taylor Swift. And like you're. No, you're not actually listening to Martinez Brothers like you say you are.

[B]

No, not only that, especially with the Taylor stuff. It's really interesting like to see people who like made Taylor their personality acted like they've been Taylor their entire life. They go to eras like mostly like content creators and influencers and it's like she's not even on your wrapped because you were never a fan. That is an interesting part of Spotify Wrapped. But do you find this? I find this and it's so funny and I get it by the way. This is not shady. Like I get tagged in a lot of like people sharing whatever their podcast and it's funny to see like what the other podcasts were like will repost. They'll only repost when they're number one. And it's like right, making a point. So my picture let me post some sort of I'm number one. And by the way, it's not shady at all. Things did this morning and she actually put us as number one like with with her podcast below. But I found over the years like the swirlies are only resharing when they're number one. Like showing everybody else is below me. Bitch, I do the same thing.

[A]

I mean of course. And I also ultimately share when like number one toast to redhead. Three good guys for Shannon. Like and it's just tnn Mania.

[B]

Yeah, tnn mania. I saw a couple of those. So just know I'm watching every single one of your stories that you're tagging me in. But I'm not resharing it because I don't want to be annoying.

[A]

I haven't watched them yet. So when I watch them, I'll see how they make me feel. Because also, some people write nice stuff, so I might do a little bit of resharing. Who knows what's in the cards? And then also another interesting thing about Spotify rap that I did find to be factual. Oh, they. Taylor Swift was my number one artist. I know everyone thinks I hate Taylor Swift, so I just need to say that.

[B]

And they told me everybody does think you hate Taylor Swift.

[A]

I mean, like, I literally have been a fan of her since Day could never. You weren't even born.

[B]

It's so fucking true, Jackie. Keep yelling at everyone. I love that.

[A]

And Spotify said I'm in the top 4% of Taylor Swift listeners. And that feels right. I know I'm not the one. I'm not a crazy Swiftie who leaves her album on repeat while I'm sleeping so she could get streams. Like, I. But I'm. I'm not 50% of my 75. I'm 4%. I'm a big fucking fan, but I'm not the 1%, 2%.

[B]

I was. I was 0.05% top Taylor listeners. And if anybody's interested, I did stream. I think it was like 25,000 minutes of Taylor.

[A]

I feel like you need to share that stat so the other bitches know. Yeah, I'm getting how real you are because it's not. Maybe you don't even listen to Spotify so much. And like, you just listen to Taylor album to hear it. And so for her to be your number one artist isn't that big of a deal. But to be compared to the other Swifties and to emerge is 0.5%, 0.05, Jackie. That's a little scary.

[B]

Well, Margo, I don't know. I keep looking to see if anyone is, like, bigger than me. I don't know if they go lower than 0.05 because it's literally less than 1%. I don't know. But yeah, it does feel good. And I think that, like, especially in recent years, it's kind of become like a form of social currency to be a Taylor Swift fan. Like, you go to the ERA store, you travel, you wear cute outfits. And so some people, I feel, are definitely phoning it in. Me and Margo have this one influencer who we literally send back.

[A]

Text me their name right now. Do I know who it is?

[B]

I don't know. Actually. It's like, it's a multiplatform. Yeah. I'll tell you later. You probably don't know this person. We send back their content back and forth because we know that this person is like a fake Taylor Swift fan and decided one day to be one.

[A]

Like, see, I want to see her Spotify wrapped. Or his.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I gotta check, right? Yeah.

[A]

So it's not without its merit, but it's not what it used to be. I'm finding, like, serious flaws. There is something like non. Even last year, Hot Dog by Mickey Mouse didn't crack top 100. And, like, that was our song of the year in the kids realm. So it's not like they're keeping off kids songs because, like, my 1, 2, 3, 4.

[B]

Do you think that maybe there are certain kids songs like Mickey Mouse, like Moana that they exclude from the algorithm because they're so popular?

[A]

You would think so. They're like, okay, we're trying not to give you a kids Spotify wrapped. However, Bluey as my number one. And then also last year, Hot Dog was the song we played most for Mickey Mouse. Donald.

[B]

So glad that year is behind us.

[A]

Donald went according from the same album was on my top 100, but hot dog wasn't. Make it make sense.

[B]

I can't.

[A]

It's confounding. It does not pass muster.

[B]

And I do feel that my running of a 5k really influenced my Spotify because that was really, like, probably the most. The time of year where I listened to the most music and, like, focused so much on exactly what I was listening to. And that's why the songs from TTPD that were in my top, where they are my favorites, but they're also the ones that I ran to. So who's afraid of Little Old Me is such a good running song. Same with I can do it with a Broken Heart. So just like, it reminds Spotify Wrapped Unwrapped. Wrapped Unwrapped is that show from Food Network. Spotify Unwrapped is actually nice because it reminds you of, like, things you did this year. Yeah, like when I was going through. They're like, in August, you listened to a lot of old hits, and that was because we were all in the Hamptons with the family, and I was trying to, like, find music that everybody would appreciate. So it's nice in that sense. It's a trip down memory lane.

[A]

What was your number one song of the year?

[B]

Who's afraid of little old me? And that I am proud of.

[A]

Also, at this point, whenever I like a song, I like it, I add it to my, like songs. And I only listen to my, like songs. So my top 100 Spotify playlist is just my like songs playlist. And I'm not having fun anymore. And literally in the same order, like, I'm bored.

[B]

Can I tell you something? And I. When they were like, your number one song of the year is, I 100% thought it was going to be I love you for. I love you for life. I do think it's obviously less competitive. I definitely am in the 1% of top listeners of Katy Perry's new album. I'm surprised she wasn't in my Wrapped at all. I listened to, like, those four songs, Wonder Lifetimes, Woman's World, 7,000 times.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah. Like, no, no. Sorry. I don't know if that's true, because it wasn't what I'm saying.

[A]

That's even a lot. Like, I know. I listen to. I listen to Women's World a lot. All the other songs from her album that I did add to my like songs because I like them, I eventually took off because I couldn't listen to them anymore.

[B]

Oh, my God, you're so wrong for that. Those four songs, like, not the album, just those four songs are in crayon.

[A]

No, they. They. They don't pass muster. Like, when you listen to them too much for me, but obviously not for you.

[B]

Can I say something? This is safe space.

[A]

The safest.

[B]

You know, we had this big moment yesterday with Muster. Right. It was the title. Everybody was, like, loving past Muster. They thought it was, like, the best part of the episode. And I think that people are expecting it to, you know, now join Toasty vernacular. I have something. I hate the phrase, like, something about.

[A]

It's because it sounds like mustard.

[B]

Yes. And you know I hate mustard.

[A]

And you don't like mustard.

[B]

But, like, I. I am not feeling naturally inclined to start throwing it into my everyday life. Like, you don't have to. I don't like it.

[A]

Okay. Don't do it. That's not why I brought it up.

[B]

I just don't like it.

[A]

Okay. It. Does it offend you if I say it honestly?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's unfortunate for you because I can't be silenced. That's unfortunate for you. I can't be censored.

[B]

We know.

[A]

Good to know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That. That. That it does not pass muster.

[B]

I feel like today's episode is going to be like a lot about the numbers. Toast by the numbers.

[A]

The first story will be by the numbers. The rest are just, you know, normal celeb fodder.

[B]

We didn't get to chat, but there was a couple of things I wanted to make sure you included. So let me just run by. Did you include Sabrina Carpenter as a story?

[A]

I did.

[B]

Are you familiar with the lore of like the creator who is a part of us? No, no, she's like a streamer. Okay, I'll give you the tape. Okay, second thing. Billboard announcing their number one.

[A]

Well, that was going to be kind of in the numbers.

[B]

That's fine. I think it should be a part of conversation number one. So that's it?

[A]

That's it. Okay, great.

[B]

Yeah.

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[A]

Thank you, turd space.

[B]

What can I say? What can I say?

[A]

Except you're welcome. Also not on my top 100. When real ones know real ones that it's there. Bet our first story. Taylor Swift has been named Spotify's most streamed artist for 2024 with over 26 billion streams. As we shared, Spotify wrapped is here, you know, on an individual level, but a collective level as well.

[B]

Right. I forget that there's like, you know, general stats that get released as well.

[A]

Right. So Spotify's global head of editorial announced the top streamed artist globally of the year for the second year in row is mis tailored with more than 26.6 billion streams globally this year. If only I knew really what a stream meant. You know, I know, it's just a lot.

[B]

TTPD came out this year.

[A]

Right, of course.

[B]

And then Midnights came out. Okay. So for her to, I guess last year have like not released an album and still been the number one streaming artist because Midnights came out in 2022, that's really impressive. I think this bodes well for, you know, Taylor's business and things. And the reason why I brought up the Beyonce thing is because we've been talking, I feel like everybody's been talking about Billboard announcing their big list of the world's greatest pop stars and who's number one. Who's number one. And they announced yesterday that number one was Beyonce. It accompanied this big long article with all of her, you know, cultural impact and you know, statements on her 25 year long history. And the article actually opened up. So there were I think like 14 or 15 mentions of Taylor Swift in Beyonce's Billboard article, which, like, seriously, if I'm Beyonce, I'm mad. No, I'd rather, Seriously, I'd rather have second place than first. Where every caveat is about Taylor. And the first paragraph of the whole fucking article ends with literally a statement that says, well, yes, if you're going to go by the numbers, streams and radio and airplay, if you want to get technical, Taylor Swift is the biggest. But we think Beyonce is because of her impact on culture. Yeah, I would be mad.

[A]

Yeah. Actually in their opening argument for explaining why they chose Beyonce, they actually made a really great case for Taylor. I didn't even realize Taylor had all these accolades. And what it really came down to, they said like cultural impact, but also Beyonce has taken up more of the, of the quarter century because like literally she's older and Taylor didn't get into the game Till like Beyonce 10 years.

[B]

Later for 25 years. Taylor's been making music for 17. So like they got her on a.

[A]

Technicality, like just because she's older. Okay, yeah, I'm older and I'm older. Like, and she has like great music videos and photo shoots. I'm like, photo shoots?

[B]

Yeah, they. There's definitely a case for Beyonce to have been number one. Like it's such a subjective thing, but the article was like literally written by a Swifty. Like it was written by somebody who wanted to cast doubt on Beyonce. It was such a negative article.

[A]

No, they, they wanted to address everything that everyone was going to say in response to this. And in doing that, they like, they invalidated their argument. Right. And then this is also really interesting. So Spotify's most streamed artists of 2024 globally were announced. Taylor's number one, obviously. And now just like, I hate to compare, but like, Billboard fudgeing did this to us. And like, we. Everyone's always like, don't compare the two greatest women. Like, why do we.

[B]

I wasn't going to.

[A]

It was Billboard who did this. Because now, like, I'm like, oh, Taylor was number one, but she's number two. Who number.

[B]

So where's Beyonce?

[A]

Beyonce was the number 41, most artists streamed the year globally. And she had an album come out this year, a big album.

[B]

Okay, so that's what's so crazy about it. Because not every year is going to be number one. That's totally fine. But if it's a year that you released an album and your cultural impact is what Billboard says it is, like, you're. Okay, maybe you're not going to be number one. You'll be in top five, certainly top 10. So to be number 41 is actually really crazy. So yeah, now. Now I'm looking at Beyonce critically.

[A]

No, now I'm really never was. I'm really sus. Now. I would have never thought much about this. And if we weren't having this Beyonce Taylor conversation, I might not even noticed or made note that number 31 on the list. But like, that's really crazy. I thought people, like listened to Cowboy Carter.

[B]

I did.

[A]

Was it in your time?

[B]

Because I listened to it on release week and that's how I think how you know like the real difference between like an album and an album that feels like.

[A]

I mean, you listen to it, we all listen to hear it. But like, where people listening to it on reading.

[B]

I listened to it to hear it. But then like, I listened to it for like a week or two after too. Like, I digested it. There are albums from this year, Sabrina Taylor, that I am still actively listening to that came out months and months and months ago. I haven't really picked up Cowboy Carter since like two weeks past its release.

[A]

Right. So sounds like some other people didn't either.

[B]

Now, the party line on social media from like Swifties mostly and people who just don't agree with that Beyonce should be number one. Is that Jay Z, you know, cut a check to Billboard to make Beyonce number one.

[A]

Now, I. I don't think that's true.

[B]

Me neither. Like one. I don't think it's, like, feasible. That's not how these things work. But also, like, even if he could, like, do I think Beyonce, Jay Z give a flying fuck what Billboard magazine said in some random article?

[A]

No. And, like, why does this.

[B]

I doubt. I doubt they know that this list.

[A]

Why does this Billboard list have everyone in a tizzy? Like, on the one hand, I feel like they really stepped in and didn't regret ever doing it because everybody hates them. But on the other hand, like, we've never been talking about Billboard more and, like, their editorial department, so I can't tell if this is a win. Like, it's like, no. Although this is good press, but we're not talking about them favorably. But, like, seriously, this list that's never come out before has everyone in a chokehold about its fairness.

[B]

Yeah. No. And. And people are also pointing out. It feels like so many people were left off the list. I didn't even realize until I saw it on Liz Wood Story. Pink, right? Where's Pink on this list? Now, we know Kelly Clarkson was left off the list, but we're used to people like, you know, taking advantage of our girl and sleeping on her. Pink.

[A]

Yeah. Pop star. But you'll put on a bunch of people who are not pop stars.

[B]

Correct. You put on bands, which is literally the opposite of a pop star.

[A]

Right. Let's go through. Most artists stream globally because it's just interesting. Number one.

[B]

Oh, and the other thing. Sorry, because you reminded me globally, and I think this might be why Beyonce is so low on this list. Is that one of the critiques that I've seen of Beyonce and why she shouldn't have been number one so much is that, like, we know Beyonce, right? And we know Taylor, and Taylor is to us what she is to a fan in Sweden. Like, her cultural impact is really uniform throughout the globe. And what people had said is, like, Beyonce actually doesn't have that big of a carry in other countries.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Why she might be lower on that list, I would be curious. Did they release a US List?

[A]

Probably, but I only have the global one.

[B]

I'm gonna find the US One up.

[A]

In front of me. So number one, Taylor. Number two, the weekend. It's always surprising how high up he is.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And that's pretty much year after year.

[B]

It's consistent. I've never sought out his music, but I know a lot of it. Like, that's impact.

[A]

Yeah. No, but he has, like. Like, you only get to this level if you have, like, serious, serious fans. And he just does Whether we're. Whether. Whether we are them or not, it's so crazy. Number three, Bad Bunny. Number four, Drake. Five, Billie Eilish. Six, Travis Scott. Seven, Peso Pluma. Eight, Kanye west. Nine, Ariana Grande. Ten, Fide. Then just skipping down to the people if you're wondering where they are. Number 19, Sabrina. Number 20, Post Malone. 23, Rihanna.

[B]

It's crazy that Sabrina had the number one most streamed song. Espresso was the most streamed song, but she's number 19.

[A]

I believe the numbers here.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

Also, the other artists have, like, years and years of our albums people are listening to. For Sabrina, like, if they're just listening to one song, it doesn't count towards, like, a lot of minutes, by the way.

[B]

So the top 10 artists in the U.S. i don't know if they released beyond 10, but Beyonce is not in the top 10 for the U.S. okay, but Metro Boomin is.

[A]

Metro Boomin is number 17 globally.

[B]

I don't know who that is, but I think I'm old.

[A]

Also, Zach Bryan's 24 and Morgan Mullen's 28. I thought that was interesting.

[B]

Say it again.

[A]

Zach Brian is number 24 globally. Like.

[B]

Oh, I thought you meant age.

[A]

Oh, no. Number 24 globally. Zach Brian. He's the biggest country artist globally.

[B]

And number he doesn't identify as number.

[A]

28, country is Morgan Wallen, who I thought was the biggest country artist globally.

[B]

Morgan Wallen did not release an album this year. Zach Bryan did.

[A]

Okay. And Luke Combs isn't on this list, which is, like, kind of disgraceful that you guys aren't spending your time listening to him.

[B]

The top 10 podcasts in the US is interesting in the sense that there are a couple of people on here I've never heard of. And Theo Vaughan is the third most popular podcast on Spotify. On. Right on Spotify. Which is true. But, like, have you ever heard of Smosh reads? Reddit stories?

[A]

No, but will you read the top 10 podcasts?

[B]

Let's guess. You guess. Number one.

[A]

Joe Rogan.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Number two. Maybe armchair expert.

[B]

No.

[A]

The Daily.

[B]

No, but they both are on this list.

[A]

Okay, give me a category. Comedy or news Swirly? Swirly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Number two. Swirly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Call her Daddy.

[B]

You're forgetting.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Number three, Theo Vaughn. You said number four, Armchair Expert.

[B]

No. Think you're thinking, like, shows that we literally have heard of. Like, we've heard of this one, but, like, it's really not our thing.

[A]

So it's news. Crime junkie.

[B]

No.

[A]

Crime junkie.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

5. Armchair extra. No.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

6.

[B]

You're never gonna guess this one.

[A]

Okay, tell me.

[B]

I literally didn't even know this person had a podcast.

[A]

Bill Maher.

[B]

No, similar. Like.

[A]

Well, John Stewart.

[B]

Similar. No, think. Take a right turn.

[A]

Ben Shapiro.

[B]

A little more. Right.

[A]

More. Megyn Kelly.

[B]

More.

[A]

Oh, not Huberman.

[B]

No, no, keep going.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I bet you don't know this person as a podcast.

[A]

Carlson.

[B]

Yes, he.

[A]

Are we up to 8?

[B]

Up to 7. And to someone you've mentioned?

[A]

Armchair.

[B]

No.

[A]

Ben Shapiro.

[B]

No.

[A]

Who else did I mention? Megyn Kelly.

[B]

We talked about him a lot this year.

[A]

And I already met this year. Tim Dillon.

[B]

Hubermeister.

[A]

Oh, Huberman. Sorry. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Number nine.

[B]

Eight you're up to.

[A]

Oh, just.

[B]

Yes. Yay. And then nine and ten are the shows I hadn't heard of. Smosh Reads, Reddit Stories, and the Sean Ryan show.

[A]

Cool. That's fun.

[B]

I love stats like this.

[A]

And it sounds like people are having fun with their podcasts. Sort of.

[B]

Oh, and you know, Apple Music did like their own. It's called Apple Music Replay. Taylor was also the number one artist, but I'm really not interested in that.

[A]

I would want Apple's podcast.

[B]

Yes. I actually would love that because that's where most people listen to podcasts.

[A]

Yeah. So that would be interesting. I'm not interested in their music. Like.

[B]

Yeah, it's just.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's the year in music.

[B]

It was a very good year.

[A]

It was a good year. And it reminded me because the only song in my top five that wasn't children's music was We Can't Be Friends by Ariana Grande. And I just want to say, I love that song. I'm listening to it again. Having a renaissance. And she was snubbed by the Grammys. The amount of streams on that song, it's like over a billion compared to other songs that were nominated that didn't have that. And I feel like when they were doing the nominations, she was kind of out of fashion because of the affair and, like, people weren't about her. And, like, now everyone's loving her because of Wicked, and they're like, they were two weeks too late with it, too early with their nominations. Because I feel like if it was now, now they shut Ariana Grande out of the Grammys. Really want to do that. She's the biggest star in the world right now. Cool.

[B]

And now she's not going to come.

[A]

Yeah. Cool.

[B]

You played yourself for, you know, best pop vocal album.

[A]

She should have been nominated for song of the year with that. That's it.

[B]

I don't disagree. I don't disagree.

[A]

So you played yourself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

I am.

[A]

Sabrina Carpenter and Barry Keoghan break up after a year of dating. Some good news of the day.

[B]

Oh, my God. Well, it's so layered. One like, let's just talk about the breakup because we have long kind of been advocates against this relationship. She can do so much better in so many different. When he was like having his saltburn moment and everybody was briefly obsessed with him and then it turns like, oh man. He's actually been dating Sabrina Carpenter and she was really on the rise. I loved it after that. Like it wasn't working for me. I just, I don't like it.

[A]

Yeah. So they have been like on and off for a while, but now it's coming out that they've decided to take a break. So I guess that means like break up and not get back together. What's the difference between on and off? I don't know, but this seems final and I'm going to take the win. But what's the bit that you wanted to share?

[B]

So the reason why it seems final is like because something happened like he cheated on Brenner loser in early November. Let me tell you, the girl he.

[A]

Cheated on, Sabrina discussion, she, she's like.

[B]

A streamer, Tick tocker, whatever. This was all on Dumois. And then like one of the girls, like former friends, Libby Dunn, you know, gymnast, she like kind of confirmed it. She like made a tic tac, like basically saying, you know, when the person you knew sucks, she's like, now everyone knows, like she's, everyone's getting involved. So this is what Demo said on the closing night of her biggest tour to date in la. He was busy getting very cozy at San Vicente Bungalows with a blonde, semi famous LA based influencer who's particularly big on TikTok. Now people did their work and they were doing research and then the girl like kind of confirmed it and it was giving very much. That girl who said that she had sex with Tommy Fury. But the only difference was like this girl wasn't haggard looking. She's actually like very cute.

[A]

We wanted Sabrina and Barry to break up and they don't have a kid together and that's good. Who. So she's. And that's a girl who's a streamer.

[B]

Wait, I have to find her name. I don't know why they're making so hard.

[A]

Like she plays games on the Internet.

[B]

Bright, what's her name?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Brecky Hill. Yeah.

[A]

She plays games on the Internet.

[B]

She's like, tick tock. I saw somewhere that she was a streamer. I don't really know what that means. She's a social media personality with over four followers on Tik Tok. So maybe she's just a tik tocker.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay. And she's friends with Libby Dun.

[B]

I think at one point, I think they had like a falling out.

[A]

I'm team Livy a lot.

[B]

When they gossip j gained traction. Many users on social media began to criticize Hill for seemingly capitalizing on the situation. She quickly became a focal point in the speculation after she reposted several tik toks discussing the breakup. So she was like kind of flexing, like, yeah, look, they broke up and it was me like reposting these videos. And she shared them shortly after. She shared them shortly after the rumors began circulating. And then it led to further rumors linking her. So she's like, very subtly, like confirming and like, kind of proud of the fact. And while I didn't want these two to break up, like being a home wrecking slut.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

Is nothing to be proud of.

[A]

Yeah. Like, we're still don't like you, but. But I'm glad they broke up. And I'm sorry that Breener's going through heartbreak, but you know, it's going to make her stronger.

[B]

I just think it's so.

[A]

And it's going to lead her to the person she's meant to be with.

[B]

You can be Breener, right? Top of the world, top of the heap. Right. Literally the most gorgeous girl on the planet having success like you've never seen. And you're literally doing charity being with this rat face ugly man. Okay. And he has the audacity on a night like that's important to you to step out on you.

[A]

No. It's so crazy.

[B]

I mean, if you've ever been, like, cheated on, like, this actually should make you feel good. Like there's nothing wrong with you.

[A]

Yeah. No, it's.

[B]

It happens to the best of us.

[A]

Yeah. And it's. It's a gift because it shows you who this person is and it takes you out of this relationship. You shouldn't be in.

[B]

That's what said she should not be with this man. And so, like, so, yeah, everything is, like, moot because we're happy about the. But you know, wrong is wrong.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right is right.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

And I'm like.

[A]

And it shouldn't have gone down this way. It should have gone down because Sabrina woke up one day and took her goggles off her Barry goggles and said, I don't want to be here anymore.

[B]

Where as a culture, did we land on the word slut? Like, at one point, like, that was getting you canceled. And then Amber Rose, I kind of brought it back.

[A]

And Taylor has that song.

[B]

Right. And, like, I understand why it's derogatory. I did just use it. But, like, is my career over?

[A]

I think it's okay. And I think it's a good word. It's descriptive.

[B]

And I kind of like that we have to stop. I had to. I like that we kind of had to stop using it because maybe it was getting overused. And now, like, if somebody's using. Like, you're a. Like, it feels sharp.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whereas maybe one point it was kind of dull. Like we were overusing it too much.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And you were calling people it for, like, you know, just being, like, wearing a short skirt. Sorry.

[B]

That doesn't make you a slut.

[A]

Yeah, it just. And not called for. But it doesn't mean that the word doesn't exist and that it doesn't have a meaning.

[B]

Right, right. I think the problem. One of the issues was like, what's the male equivalent? And now I feel like we have a few. Like, fuck boy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And why can't a man be like.

[A]

A. Yeah, he can.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Man whore. We literally have that.

[B]

Whore is a good word, too.

[A]

Who are. I also like a hooker.

[B]

Do I like the word hooker? That's a good question. Let me think, Let me think. Because no, it doesn't. It doesn't like it.

[A]

Slut.

[B]

No. It feels like tongue lashing.

[A]

But I just like, like. Oh, that hooker.

[B]

Yeah, that's good too. It's good.

[A]

Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

But if they call me a slut.

[A]

I don't like that song.

[B]

Though I actually agree. When I saw the title of the bonus tracks for 1989 and there was one called All Caps, I thought it was going to be like, shout out to my ex slut. Like, something like really pop. Anthony.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it kind of was giving, like, slow ballad slut.

[A]

Oh, by the way, I just need to make a note because of the chart data that we have. Let me see if she's here at all. Because I'm not seeing Charlie xcx.

[B]

And so that's actually surprising because Brat was.

[A]

They have you thinking that Brat took over the world. It was. Took over the Internet.

[B]

But yeah, there was a conspiracy theory that, like, Brad is an industry plan.

[A]

Brad is an industry plan. Was there A theory outside of me.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I need to meet my people that.

[B]

Like, brat's in a simulation or something like, because if you look culturally, Brad is everywhere. I mean, it became one of the presidential nominees, like, aesthetic for her campaign. So you would think it was like GTPD level. And she is noticeably missing.

[A]

And they're saying Brad should be album of the year. She wasn't top 50 stream artists globally.

[B]

No, I didn't know that because I actually would say, you know, Brett kind of was the album of the year, because the simulation.

[A]

Maybe you just forgot to take your VR goggles off.

[B]

Yeah, perhaps so.

[A]

That's just worth noting.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Our third story is seriously so crazy.

[B]

And is it Azealia Banks versus Maddie Healy?

[A]

No, it's Vicki Gunvalson on the Vile Files. Vicki Gumbelson, I'm obsessed. Was caught trash talking Nick Files podcast in a shocking hot mic moment post interview. So Vicki Gumbelson went on the vial files remotely from the beach. She called in, she did a little interview.

[B]

She was so in Puerto Vallarta at. She was whipping it up at Andalaya 100%.

[A]

And then, you know, they say their goodbyes and she forgot to end the zoom call, of course, and starts talking about the show. And they left it in. She goes, that was a favor to her dad. He's got 7 million views. Unclear whose dad? Whose views?

[B]

So at first I was thinking that she was saying she was doing it as a favor to Natalie, who's next co host and his wife. Natalie's dad or something. Maybe they know he's a farmer. But then she was like, he's got 7 million views. So I'm pretty sure they were maybe. I think Vicki thinks that Natalie is Nick's son, a daughter. Excuse me.

[A]

Yeah. So I think 7 million views has to do with the show. Then she goes on to explain his credentials. She goes, I was a guest on his show. He's got his own network, his own show, his own thing. I've never heard of him. She went on to mispronounce his last name. I heard her say Nick Biles, but it said, maybe she said Nick Viles.

[B]

Either way, Jackie, I just saw the funniest TikTok about Nick Viles. Nickname, last name, pronunciation. Because, you know, people always say. And it's so true. Like, the Vile Files is probably one of the best titled podcasts on the planet. Yeah. Except when you do the proper research and you find out that Nick Viall's last name is actually Nick Vial.

[A]

Yeah. And he's told Us, we. I know that somewhere.

[B]

And anytime he's ever been, like, they were playing old in his tick tock old clips of him on the Bachelor. Like, and it was pronounced everywhere Nick Vial. So it's actually the Vial files. And it's just like the tiniest, it's the tiniest flaw in a otherwise perfect title. And it was cracking me up. I think. Like everybody just started. Everybody ignored the proper pronunciation of his name. So we just like leaned into it. Well, they're calling me Vile anyway. Yeah, I might as well take the Vile files.

[A]

The Vial files is very fun to me.

[B]

Now the Internet is divided on whether or not Nick should have kept in this hot mic moment. Because at the end of the day, Vicki didn't say anything outright terrible. Just like, you know, every time. First of all, I so relate to Vicki on this. Anytime I hang up, whether it's like someone I know, customer service and I'm on the beach, especially having a cocktail, like I'm saying something nasty about the person I just hung up with. Like, sorry, it's the human experience. She really didn't even say anything that bad. And so if this were us, we would like send the recording to literally everyone we know, but we would not have shared it like publicly as a part of the episode, right?

[A]

I don't think so. But I also feel like at the end of the day this, it's kind. She didn't say anything bad like this. It was just like an awkward moment. The only people she was offending were them. Like, it's up to them what they want to do. It's not like she said something and like they're posting and it could end her career. And it's like she.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, so I don't really have an issue with them posting it. It's also so Vicky. I'm sure she's cracking up. I don't think she's like hiding in her room embarrassed. I think she's like, oops.

[B]

I don't have an issue with them posting it either. I do wonder if this, because they're a guest based show, if this like has potential repercussions to like turn people off.

[A]

I don't think so because I really think most people like can be okay to hang up the phone. And I. And he said on this, like, this is so Housewives. He said here, like the OC women, I think they have a history of like not ending phone calls and then going on to talk. Like, it's so Congress with them. I genuinely think it's so Harmless, of course. It's so cringe. But I don't think it will. I don't think it's bad. Look for Vibe House. And honestly, it's such a funny moment. Everyone's talking about it. We're talking about Vicki. And again, like, I only have, like, funny thoughts about this. I. It doesn't make me, like, dislike her or anything. She's just hysterical. And of course, like, she, you know, she sells insurance and she's like 50 plus. Like, she does. Not listening to the bio files. I didn't expect her to be.

[B]

I do think she even knows at this moment. I mean, it's gone.

[A]

So she doesn't even know about this. Yeah, she's on vacation.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

I think it's so funny.

[B]

I'm surprised she, like, this doesn't happen more often, but I guess, like, really, how hard is it to hang up a zoom.

[A]

Yeah. And she had.

[B]

Because even if you don't know how to hang up, like, it could have been that, like, she didn't hang up, but someone from Nick's team did. Automatically. But nobody hung up.

[A]

Right. Right. She said that she made it. She did also make it clear early in the interview that she didn't want to be there because she. She said she canceled the interview. And I didn't know that they didn't cancel it. And she's had 400 meetings, so she had to, like, go through with the. It's like.

[B]

No, she sounds like a dream guest, honestly.

[A]

Like, she's very authentic. Authentic. And aren't we always asking for authenticity?

[B]

Gonna. Vicky.

[A]

Yeah. And they weren't offended. Natalie was like, she's an icon. Cracking. Hysterical. She was like. I was sweating. And. Yeah, until the clip is over, I'm like, clenching.

[B]

What? No. By the way, in the privacy of. She's obviously sitting with, like, a friend or a boyfriend. Like, in the privacy of, like, a. You could say all the things she.

[A]

Could have said after hanging up for interview. She didn't want to be on. Like, it's actually really not that bad.

[B]

No. If I did an interview that, like, for some reason I found offensive. Like, she obviously, like, had a problem with this interview and, like, I really didn't want to do it and I hung up and I'm sitting with Ben, I would have been like, these fudgeing morons. Like, I would have said something like that. Like, so you know what? It could have been so much worse.

[A]

So I think this is actually just funny and fun all around.

[B]

Yeah. For the most part. Harmless.

[A]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Yeah. We have also Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. I totally forgot to, like, mention that at the top of the show.

[A]

Yes. Our next story is not funny and fun all around because Khloe Kardashian claims that a therapist leaked private information from her session to a tabloid, and that's why she did not go to therapy for years and instead sought therapy in the gym. So she.

[B]

My God.

[A]

Sat down with bustle for an interview published on Tuesday. And she talks about how she turned to the gym as a form of therapy after being betrayed by her therapist. She revealed she started working through her mental health struggles with exercise after her former counselor allegedly breached doctor patient privilege amid her divorce from Lamar. She said, I remember I was going to therapy, and the next thing I knew, something private I told my therapist was on a tabloid, and I knew that my therapist disclosed this information to a tabloid because there's no way this could have gotten out there.

[B]

Right.

[A]

She did not disclose exactly what her therapist leaked about the marriage, and she said the traumatic experience kickstarted her love for fitness. It ruined her relationship with therapy for nearly a decade. She said, I stopped going to therapy and started going to the gym. I needed a release, but I did not trust anyone else anymore, and the place that I felt the safest was the gym. She called the experience very jarring and sort of unbelievable and insisted there's not a chance in the world that it came from anyone else. She refused to seek help for years as a sort as a result of the betrayal, until her older sister Kim finally convinced her to give it another shot. She said, I started when I was 39. Noting that her new doctor is really lovely. She said, I really like her. It's actually Kim's therapist. Kim was really adamant. I was like, I'll do this for you. I dragged my feet, and then I was like, wow, okay, this is good. I needed this. Turns out she had a lot to unpack from the years. Her therapist was like, I think you should come three days a week. She was like, you really need to be here. And it all worked out.

[B]

I mean, I feel like this is, like, regular people's worst nightmare. I think a lot of people don't go to therapy because, like, the concept of bearing, like, the worst parts of yourself to a human being who technically could run and tell someone is like a real fear, although, you know, you're kind of irrelevant. No one cares what's going on in your brain.

[A]

Expect that that's a fear of. Of a top Tier fear.

[B]

I think it is. I think it is. I think it keeps. Keeps people from doing therapy. Just like saying the quiet part out loud, like things you've never said.

[A]

Yeah, well, that's just hard, period. Let alone then having to be concerned about a breach of trust. But I wonder if this keeps celebrities out of therapy.

[B]

I think, definitely, because I think it crosses people's mind who aren't celebrities. And so that fear is probably tenfold when you actually. Your thoughts are. Would be interesting to other people. Lots of other people. And, you know, that HIPAA and that confidentiality, it's kind of like, yeah, it's the law. Right. But, like, there's something like, you're not handcuffed. Like, this person has free will. They could abide by the HIPAA or not.

[A]

Like, they could license.

[B]

Yeah, of course. No, there are consequences. But it's not like, I am sure. I am 100 sure that woman is no longer a practicing therapist.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Because also, if she's, like, running in fabulous circles where she's getting recommended to Khloe Kardashian, she's working with other people of note. And I don't think Khloe would just let this lady.

[A]

Yeah. Also I think it makes sense to, like, share a therapist with your family members, because then the therapist is, like, actually a really good picture of everything that's going on. And, like, you can't just, like, talk about the other person and they just think that other person's, like, the devil and never meet them. And it's like, oh, if she really has all sides separately, she can give informed advice. Not that.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Not that she's going to therapy because of Kim, but I actually think it's like, if she's really in your world, it's.

[B]

It.

[A]

It sounds like a good idea.

[B]

Do you remember that episode of Kardashians Keeping up with the Kardashians, like, on E. Where they had, like, a family therapist come in. They all, like, Rob, everyone, Caitlin. They had everyone come sit down. I think it turned into a referendum on Rob. Rob.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I do.

[B]

That was like, seriously, you. I don't know what they got paid. I think it was just a regular episode of the Kardashians. You couldn't pay me.

[A]

Yeah, like, that's.

[B]

And I think it's very common for people to go to different versions of therapy. Counseling, group therapy on reality tv. And I know it's, like, staged, but you're still talking about real things. To me, not only do I as a viewer, like, I genuinely Find it uninteresting, but, like, it's so personal. I wish they would stop doing that.

[A]

I wish they would stop doing that.

[B]

Like, it's not even. It's not even juicy.

[A]

No. And it's like when someone's finally going to therapy and it's like you're doing it on camera. That's not. It's kind of against. Like, it's the opposite of what it should be. And I also don't give a shit.

[B]

Right. One of the first, like, memories I have of watching somebody go to therapy was Courtney Kardashian was, like, a very early adapter. She was, like, one of the only girls going to therapy in her family, and she would always film it. I'm like, that's really so crazy. Also, something similar. This is the second thing that sort of, like, HIPAA violation has happened to the Kardashians. Remember when Scott entered, like, a rehabilitation program and it was Covid. So it was all done on zoom and somebody took a screenshot and sent it to, like, a tabloid.

[A]

Yeah. Also, I feel like I remember Jack's tal are going to therapy. I don't care.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People go to couples therapy on camera for the first time. It's like, it's not a good sign, you know, you're not serious about the work.

[B]

It's so true. And as a viewer, can't stress enough how uninteresting it is. Yeah. I really lose.

[A]

Lose. I guess they get to everyone involved.

[B]

No. I feel so awkward, but she's like, please get me out of here.

[A]

Yeah. No. And it's like, if it's something that you would share to the entire world, what, you have no inner thoughts, or you're not sharing your inner thoughts, and in that case, it's pointless.

[B]

Yeah, that.

[A]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[B]

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[A]

Sash Turt.

[B]

What can I say?

[A]

Our fifth and final story. A little documentary news because Aaron Rogers enigma is coming to Netflix. Aaron Rodgers has a new docu series on Netflix that will be chronicling his time and his comeback from his Achilles heel injury.

[B]

Pass. Like, seriously, have you seen the Jets? They are stinking it up. Like, sorry, Aaron Rodgers. There's no happy ending to the story. Like, yeah, he came back healthier and what to play worse than ever. Like, the Aaron Rogers story in New York is so depressing. And like, help us. Seriously, you were supposed to help.

[A]

That is so funny. So the trailer dropped for Aaron Rogers. Enigma is what it's called.

[B]

Okay. Erica James.

[A]

Okay, Churchill. It's a three part.

[B]

What?

[A]

That's that Erika Jayne quote. I'm an enigma wrapped in riddle and cash is a derivative of a Churchill quote, which is why she's our queen.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. It's a three part documentary series that will come out on December, December 17th. He talks about losing friendships, family due to his views. He talks how it was heartbreaking. He shares about his Achilles heel and then he also talks about the future of his career. And he talked a lot about in the trailer, like about RFK asking him to be his VP pick and how when he was out, down and out, he had like two choices, like to heal and play football still or run for vice president.

[B]

No, I seriously, this is so unserious. I'm like so over Aaron Rodgers. Like, that is so crazy.

[A]

I thought you were obsessed. That's your boy. He was cute. It's your boy.

[B]

Really cute. Like his celebrity connections. Like, I loved when he dated Danica. I loved, of course, the Olivia Mann. I love the Shailene Woodley. And then when he was coming to New York, I was like, woohoo. And he's just, like, kind of done nothing but disappoint me. And every time he's like, like, in the news doing interviews, he's like, on zoom in this, like, turned dark cellar. Like, yeah, like, being looking so for bisseta and like, sour post. Like, he's just, like, really pissing me off.

[A]

I'm going to watch this documentary because I know. I feel like a lot is said about Aaron Rodgers, and I don't watch those interviews of him on Pat McAfee talking shit for a living.

[B]

But, like, he's just, like, going on Pat McAfee, like, angry all the time.

[A]

Like, just roasting everyone. And then I only see, like, quotes. I'm like, oh, Aaron, that's not nice. But I really.

[B]

No. And by the way, let me tell you where Aaron Rogers had me when he was beefing with Jimmy Kimmel, like, obsessed. I literally dreamed.

[A]

That's peak for you.

[B]

That's peak. Aaron and I just kind of went downhill after. They're like, seriously? And the way, like, he had this miraculous recovery and I was like, he's gonna bring Jackie this. Seriously. The jets haven't won a game in weeks. Like, what are you doing if not helping?

[A]

Well, I'll. I'll find out in the documentary. And I hear it from Aaron Self. There's much ado about Aaron.

[B]

Do you think he's going to talk about Jordan and Jojo?

[A]

That's a great question. I think it would have been in the trailer, but I'm gonna hold.

[B]

That's a reason to tune in.

[A]

That's a reason to tune in. Maybe a little Shailene. He also.

[B]

That's a reason.

[A]

Then a big part of this documentary is him talking about his spiritual journey.

[B]

Okay. Like I said, this is like, where people, when they go to therapy on reality tv, like, they lose me. I'm uninterested.

[A]

Yeah. But I'm going to give. Give it a shot. So that's December 17th, and it's like, a good thing to watch with your husband or boyfriend. That's like, yeah, that's good for everyone. So I'm here for it. I'm here for it. I like these docusers that's like. I can get into those. Like, the Martha one. Like, I really. I like. It's quick. Ashley Madison. Like, three episodes. Two episodes and we're done. I learned something great.

[B]

Yes. I think the issue is that to carry a documentary, I think you need to be, like, beaming with personality. And I think, like, Martha was so successful at that. I'M sure they had had tons of footage today to leave on the cutting room floor. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just judging, but, like, Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem like the type of guy who's gonna, like, dazzle me through the screen. Like, he just doesn't.

[A]

He's gonna dazzle, but I don't think he's boring, as you said. Like, he hops online.

[B]

Do you think he applies boring?

[A]

I think he applies boring for sure. Like him or dislike him? Like, everyone's always talking about him. So if you're an Aaron swirly, which I thought that we were December 17th.

[B]

He lost me, like, when he started, like, he's literally, like, not good at his job. So if you're gonna, like, talk so much shit, that's fine, but you have to, like, back it up.

[A]

Is there a chance he's just that. Is it really his playing that's sinking the team, or is it everyone else?

[B]

No, I mean, they're not a great team, but, like, you have allegedly, like, one of the league's greatest quarterbacks.

[A]

You should, I guess, like, Tom Brady always made it work, right?

[B]

Like, these men, they can run like the other. There's not much for them to do. Like, everybody knows a quarterback is, like, kind of the most important one.

[A]

Aaron should go to the 49ers because, like, what they need is a star quarterback.

[B]

But the thing is, I don't. I actually don't think. I think, actually Brock Purdy is probably a better current quarterback than Aaron Rodgers.

[A]

Yeah. But the thing about the 49ers is that they have, like, spent all their money on talent across the field, and they don't have that, like, you know, franchise quarterback. But they are so amazing because they have so much amazing talent. But if they had an amazing quarterback, they would have won the Super Bowl. That's, like, what I've heard. Even though I love Brock. And if anyone says a bad word about him, like, I will come for you. Even though I agree, and I agree.

[B]

There are two quarterbacks who I remember. I don't know if they were the same year, but, like, there was so much hype for them. Joe Burrow, 1. He's, like, so handsome. But also that cutie Trevor Lawrence, who, in my opinion, looks like Kylie, Kelsey. The two are like, yes. If you ever look at them, face is kind of giving. Like Hannah Brown and Whitney's husband. Dad, he doesn't. Trevor Lawrence, Kylie, Kelsey and Trevor Lawrence have the same exact face. Like, like, you'll see. And they also have the Same hair.

[A]

Oh, cute.

[B]

Because he has, like, long blonde.

[A]

I've never seen him with his helmet off.

[B]

No, he's cute. And his wife is expecting. Like, they're really cute. There was a lot of hype. They were, like, these huge college football players, and then they got drafted and like, to, like, bad teams. Like, they're kind of wasting away on these two. No. I'm sorry to, like, everyone on the green and orange teams, but, like, weenie, one of them needs to go to the Niners.

[A]

Yeah. But they don't have, like, the budget because they pay everyone else a lot, and that works for them.

[B]

Christian.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What was the story? Oh, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. So, speaking of television, let's dive into our Real Housewives of Beverly Hills weekly recap. Last night was another episode. And, like, seriously, two moments they've been teasing, like, this season thus far were both in the episode. And they were both so anticlimactic. Like, one dorit falling. How many times we have to watch it. Like, it was actually embarrassing for her. And 2. God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen.

[A]

Yeah, no, the fact that they hit us with a to be continued over that dinner spat, it's, like, really not boding well for the season.

[B]

The bar is in.

[A]

It's. I understand you want to drag the rest of the fight till the next episode, but, like, don't give us to be continued. I'm not on the edge of my seat, and I did want to see pretty. It's not previews for next week. That's the thing that's annoying about to tbc. We don't get previews for next week. And, like, don't you want me to. Like, I need to be a little titillated because I like the women of Beverly Hills. Like, even when they're just sitting around the table, like, they're fun.

[B]

Agree to watch.

[A]

But this season, like, isn't great. I don't really know how much better it's going to get, especially because the cornerstone of the season is the fight between Kyle and Doritos. Should be, like, meaty because they were really close. They've been on forever. The issue, though, is that the reason why they're feuding is very confusing. So it's hard for us to, like, galvanize and get on someone's side because I don't know what the fuck's going on.

[B]

Same. Except that I felt last night at that dinner was the most clarity we've gotten up until this point where they were pulling out examples because we knew The Bravo Con thing, which was so nothing. And I'm glad they showed that clip of Erica. I'm glad Erica's, like, taking a little bit of a stand with while also staying in the middle. I'm glad they showed her reaction because it's such a nothing burger. And I felt like that conversation. And I'm sure we'll see. The other half of it was such a bad look for Kyle because she looked so small and so stupid. Every example. And then they're cutting to the clip. What was the second one? Oh, well, you didn't speak up for Teddy. Are you fucking okay? Clearly, Kyle had a horrible time at BravoCon and decided to take it all out on. It was Dorit's fault and she's, like, not letting it go. It was such a bad episode for Kyle because I also think the sit down with Mauricio was so awkward. And I think we got a little bit more clarity into the current status of their relationship, which is that, like, Mauricio is out and Kyle would be in if. If he would be clear. Then it makes it so confusing with Morgan Wade.

[A]

Like, they split up, you know, Mauricio, I think, had a foot out the door, but, like, Kyle was also pushing him out the door. And now it's like, even if she couldn't even answer the question, like, do you want to get back together with Mauricio? Because she doesn't know. And, like, they're saying he's going to Greece, which we know there's a pictures of him with the girl. So I think that probably comes out next week. And that's going to be, like, earth shattering for Kyle because she just thinks he's, like, living in his apartment. And it is very. It's a weird spot that they're in.

[B]

Yeah. So I felt like the whole episode was just like, Kyle's so hard to root for and, like, you have sympathy that she's going through this thing, but, like, so is Doritos. And Dorit seems like her situation seems toxic now. Like, her and PK aren't getting along. He has this alcohol problem. The kids are losing their mind. Her kids are younger. Her situation. Like, not that I would ever want to be in either of them, but I'd rather be in Kyle's. And, you know, Dorit and PK definitely have some, like, money issues that they've never really fully dived into, and a divorce will exasperate that. So there's a lot going on in Dorit, and I feel like she's keeping it together. For the most part. And I do feel in the argument like she is right. Like, I think she has a lot to be mad at Kyle about. And I think behind the scenes, the way she explains it, I could actually see their friendship being, like, unbalanced and, like, Kyle's in charge, and she's just, like, kind of tired of being a doorbell.

[A]

Yeah. It's like Theresa would make an infraction, and Kyle would punish her differently than she would punish anyone else in the group.

[B]

So when Kyle's like, you're acting so different, Kyle. Dorit's like, I'm not letting you push me around anymore. Like, that's clearly an issue for you. So let's get into it. What the hell was like when it was brought up twice by Sutton and Garcelle? And, you know, I love Garcelle. Sometimes she's like a dog with a bone with the wrong things. Like, her and Sutton being, like, so offended that Bose and Dorit were having a conversation at the end of the table. Like, and then Garcelle's like, I mean, give us a chance to get to know Bose. Fudgeing. Try. Dorit went to her house.

[A]

Make it read. Is talking at the end of the table to bows about her personal life. Meanwhile, every time Dorit speaks, you say she talks too much, but she should share these personal details with you, even though you don't like listening to her speak. That was, like, so transparent to me. It's like, you either just want to hear about Dorit's pain or you just want to find something. Fine. Fault with Dorit. But it's a long. It's a long table. It's not even a circular table. There's going to be conversations at one end and conversations at the other, and, like, sorry that you're at this end.

[B]

That.

[A]

And then they brought it up and, like, trying to make it seem like Dorit was doing something wrong. Like, Dre's obviously going through something. She's talking to person across the table for her. Like, why she's in a bad, stressful mood.

[B]

And I actually don't think it's weird that Dorit, like, met this person for the first time and, like, unloaded on her. I think that that's oddly, like, very common. And everyone in the group has, like. Like, so they know pk they're so, like, everyone has their preconceived notions. Like, this is just, like, a fresh person who seems really sound of mind and seems smart and, like, maybe she would give good advice. Like, I could see you just like, being drawn to her energy. It's literally not.

[A]

When Garcelle saying she. She's, like, getting close to Bose because Bose doesn't know, like, Dorito have history with her. Like, that's what someone, like, I don't. Who's so on the outside, like, Danielle Stab would do. Who. It's like, I literally have no other friends in this group, so I'm gonna cling a new person that. That's literally not what's going on here. They obviously just had, like, things in common connection. And that's, like, literally what happens when you meet people. You either have a connection with them or you don't.

[B]

And let me tell you something else Garcelle was doing that was bothering me. Like, and, you know, I ride for, but, like, sometimes she's really hard to defend. Like, a lot of the women were doing this, like, in their confessionals, like, making fun of Kathy's, like, afternoon of relay races. Meanwhile, they cut to them on the beach. The women are laughing. I've never seen them have so much fun. And first of all, you know, that's like, my dream afternoon. Like, playing Duck Duck goose. Like, I love games like that. And I actually, like, inspo. I think Kathy is so funny. And it really. The whole point of the trip was like, Kyle's going through a lot. Dorit's going, like, just to get everyone to laugh and relax. It's not supposed to be so serious. Mission accomplished. And everybody in their confessionals, like, being like this, what are we, 11? Like, it's funny.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Like, everybody was having a good time.

[A]

They were. It was really funny. And the trip looked amazing. I'm glad that Kathy planned the trip. I like seeing Kathy doing Kathy things. And I loved those hats. I thought everybody who put the hat on looked amazing in the hat.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Erica said it was small on her head. She looked so, like, the minute the lampshade came down, everyone looked fantastic. I want one.

[B]

There was a sad moment in the episode when they were at Kathy's kitchen, like, getting ready to get on the sprinter. And Jennifer Tilly comes in with, like, her sick Louis Vuitton travel cases. And Erica's, like, looking. It wasn't even so much envy. It was kind of like a longing. There was a time where she could have. She had a relationship with Louis Vuitton if she wanted a custom, you know, Hollywood walk of fame hat box. Like, it was kind of like a glimpse into a former life. And she lives well, and she could buy herself nice things. But that's another level and it made me sad for her.

[A]

Yeah. I love her so much. I want.

[B]

She's having an amazing.

[A]

I want just the best for her. She's worked so hard to like, sustain a lifestyle, like, to do. To live the way that she used to live on, like a single income, you know, not stealing from victims.

[B]

Lifestyle orphans and widows.

[A]

Right. So she's just so great. She's a really great friend. She's really a voice of reason. I wish she would, like, get involved a little bit more, but I understand, like, she had a couple really hard seasons where she was the center of conversation all the time. And I think right now she's just like, okay, you guys take the heat for a second.

[B]

She's happy. Taking a back heat. Like, I need. I need a billionaire businessman. Both for her, like today.

[A]

Me as well. Even though I don't even know if she would, like, go for that anymore. She's just been so burnt.

[B]

She's scarred.

[A]

So we found out about J. Fertility and her income. Her husband was the Simpsons. She has 10% of the Simpsons. And no one thought it was.

[B]

She didn't say 10%. She just said a piece.

[A]

Oh, did she not say 10%?

[B]

No. And when they were getting divorced, it was just like a popular show. They had no idea it was going to go on for. What is it, like their 45th season. The only thing that confuses me is her house being so small. I guess she's just one person. Like, how big of a house do you need? But, like, if I owned a chunk of the Sims, like, I would have a bigger house, but, you know, different strokes.

[A]

Different strokes for different folks.

[B]

I don't find. And I just. I love a rich person's on. On this show, so I have no problem with her. I don't find that she adds much. I think she's like a little. Yeah. But I'll. I'll hold off until I see more.

[A]

Yeah. No, and this expectation that we all know and love Jennifer Tilly. Like, can we get. We got to know her a little bit last night. So, like, the context was good. But like, still, I don't know her. Who is this person?

[B]

I think her ex husband, by the way. And they didn't mention this, but I saw it on Twitter. He has passed away.

[A]

How sad.

[B]

I think he passed away in 2015 from cancer, which I thought was odd that they didn't show that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That maybe her and Bose will connect.

[A]

Perhaps.

[B]

So it was like a Nothing burger episode. But nice to see the gals, like, being rich.

[A]

Gotta go to Oceanside being, like, learning about new destinations, being parchy and fashionable and. And.

[B]

And yeah, it's always a pleasant watch because of that.

[A]

And I think they should wear this hat to the party night.

[B]

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[A]

Give it a shot, Claude. Give it a shot.

[B]

I'm gonna do something crazy like something I never did.

[A]

Okay, same. We should have only done one Love ya by.