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Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast. Happy Thursday 2nd to last day of Jackson Friends and my official last co host of Jackson Friends and it is my friend Liz woods joining me on the toast today. Welcome, Liz.
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B
Thank you so much. I am just delighted to be here.
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A
You being here is so full circle. We've been begging you to come on for a long time and you finally acquiesced.
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B
Yes. Getting to come on the toast is like converting to Judaism, I feel.
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A
Oh, yeah, you have to ask three times. No, it's usually the other way. Like someone has to ask us three times before we say yes. And Liz is like the only person that was always denying us. And the time is right and Liz is here. We are so excited to have you on the toast. You have been one of the most requested people to come on because you are like the queen of pop culture takes reality TV recaps. Like, you are so qualified for the co hosting gig.
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B
Thank you.
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A
That we are so excited to hear from you. And like, we always hear from you on Instagram, stories, text on screen. But now we get to hear Lizard P live and in person. Long form Lizard P. Long form Lizard P. And I do feel like you are a long form girl.
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B
I think I am. I'm certainly long winded, so I'll try to keep that at bay. We have time for the podcasting. I'm also the queen of caveats and I, I'm. I've been actively working on just like saying what I mean, so we'll see how I do.
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A
Okay, well, welcome to the toast. How does it feel to be here? You've been a toaster, like since the beginning, as they say.
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B
OG breather, OG breath toaster. Since the beginning. It feels unbelievably full circle. I was actually texting my roommate from, like, when I lived in New York when the toast was in like 2018. And I was like, you're never gonna guess where I am. And she was just so excited for me and she. So it's like, yeah, it's a dream. And it's a dream to be in your house and like, just feel all of your family vibes. It's beautiful in Florida. It's actually nicer here than it is in New Jersey. So a which you wouldn't expect this time of Year.
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A
Yes. Liz and I are having a slumber party, and she'll be co hosting tomorrow also. So, like, anything we don't get to today, like Dear Toasters, we will get to tomorrow. We are both caught up on Love Island. We will recap up until this point at the end of the show, and then tomorrow we'll recap tonight's episode. We can watch together, like, make some popcorn, cuddle up.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I'm, like, wondering, are we gonna watch together or separate?
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B
I honestly find that I do my best work when I watch alone.
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A
You know what? I think that, like, the scheduling works better for us watching alone. It's on late. Like, I don't sit on my couch that late. I like to be in my bed. So, like, yeah, I think we'll go our separate ways, and that way our takes are fresh for tomorrow.
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B
Perfect.
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A
Okay, great. Well, tell us a little bit about you. For anyone who might not be familiar with Lizard P. Woods, you need to follow her on Instagram. Like, you are like, the Instagram stories version of the toast. I feel like all the time, people are like, this just feels like Liz's Instagram and Liz's Instagram feels. Yes. We are symbiotic.
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B
Yes. And we chat all the time, and we're often talking about the things I talk about and what you talk about here.
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A
Yeah. We're also best friends, in case you missed it.
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B
Yeah. And by the way, it's Liz P. Woods. Lizard is, like, Jackie's name for me, which I love. I love, like, being, like, having a nickname from you, but it does prevent people from being able to find me.
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A
Liz P. Woods.
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B
Liz P. Woods. I am a mommy.
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A
Mamacita.
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B
Yes. I'm a new mom. Like, when does that. When does new mom expire?
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A
I say first year. Okay, so you're six months postpartum. Yes. And you're so skinny.
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B
Thank you.
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A
So she's also skinny. In case you're only listening as a podcast. How'd you get so skinny? Postpartum?
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B
I do feel like I was one of those people where breastfeeding actually helped. I know that that's not the case.
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A
It took you all the way.
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B
It took me very far. And then when I stopped breastfeeding, I kind of, like, lost my appetite, honestly. And. And so maybe that that helps me.
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A
So it's just, like, you didn't try so hard?
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B
Not really.
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Oh, that makes me feel better, though. Cause, like, if you tried really hard, then I would look at myself and be like, why didn't you try harder? But if it happened naturally for you. It's like, well, that's just not what was in God's plan for me.
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B
I do feel like even I was telling you last night that, like, my eighth and ninth month of pregnancy were actually pretty easy, and I was able to be active. And I remember my doctor saying, like, this will be helpful for you both in labor and with, like, just getting back to yourself. And I think that that was. Was true. Cause it did feel like I, like, graduated from postpartum, and I did start to feel more like me and in my own body, so.
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A
Okay.
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B
It was good.
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A
That's good. That's so nice. So how's being a mom? New mama Liz?
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B
It's wonderful. It's like, all the things about it that are the hardest are also the best. Like, sometimes when people ask me what's been the hardest thing, I'll say, one of the hardest things is when you get home from a vacation and you're ready to unwind and just relax. When you get home from a vacation with a baby or toddlers, it's like there's. That's.
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A
The work just begins.
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B
The work just begins. Especially, like, if you go to Disney, it's like you're doing this whole vacation for them, and you get home, and it's like, oh, I'm still, like, doing all of these things.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
But the inverse of that is so spectacular because it's like, I love coming home from a vacation and still being with my family. Like, that part about it is just magic to me. I feel like I remember going on, like, trips with my nephew or, like, my friends, and you get home or from camp, and you get home, and you're like, where is everybody? Like, you're kind of sad and miss people, and it's like, no, I go home and, like, these people still have to be with me.
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A
That's true. It's. Yes. It's like everything that's good is also, like, there's. The pros and cons are the same thing. So it's like, yeah, it's still hectic. You don't get to relax. But, like, in that relaxation, it's also a bit of loneliness, and you don't have that.
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B
Yes.
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A
So, so nice.
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B
It's been wonderful. And I. I will say I have a very, I think, easy baby. So that's, like, made. That was also, like, an easy part of postpartum is she slept pretty well from the beginning, which I understand can just be, like, a total crapshoot. I don't think there's much that I did that necessarily influenced. Like, I could maybe work on, like, a bedtime routine or a nap. That helped. But, like, she just very early on was good at sleeping, pretty cooperative. Doesn't really cry unnecessarily. So I think that was really helpful.
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A
Nice. Go, Lil.
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B
Yeah, Go, Lil.
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A
And her name's Lillian. Lillian and I call her Lil. What do you call her?
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B
We all call her Lil.
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A
Okay, cool.
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B
Yeah, she was named after my husband's grandmother, who was Lillian and also Lil.
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A
Oh, cute.
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B
And it just, like, works for so many things because it's like, Lil Romeo. Lil Romeo. Like, Lil Bow Wow. Like, it just the name's.
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A
But she's also Lil. Liz is what she really is.
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B
Yes. And my husband, like, didn't realize when we were naming her that, like, the names are really similar. So sometimes, like, he already will accidentally call me Lil or her Liz.
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A
But, well, today you're known as Lizzie. Cause Harry has decided that that's your name.
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B
Which is so sweet because I told you that that's what my family calls me. My cousins, my parents. I remember when I was in, like, when I went to a new school in fifth were like, what's your name? And I had always been Lizzy. And for some reason, I was like, Liz. Liz P. Yeah. So getting to be, like, feeling like a kid again is lovely.
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Oh, so you're formerly Liz Height.
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B
Like, I'm formerly Liz Height.
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You've done such a good job of the new change. We get a lot of questions from people, like, wanting to change their last names. And Claudia and I and Olivia and I just talked about it, and, like, we're the wrong people to ask. Like, you did a full rebrand from Liz Height, and you were always, like, at Liz Height. Liz Height. You're first Elasti, and now you're Liz P. Woods. And, like, it's seamless.
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B
I actually took the advice that you gave, I think maybe about Dana, which was that, like, the morning of her wedding, like, she changed everything. Yeah, that's pretty much what I did.
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A
Down to her Venmo handle.
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B
That came later. But, yeah, I was Liz P. Woods. Like, I remember being in the hotel room being like, iz P. Woods.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Well, now you're Liz woods, which is a party name.
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B
Thank you.
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A
For a party lady.
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B
Thank you. It's not very Jewish at all, but, like, that's okay, people.
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A
And you are a big Jew. Like, big, proud Jew.
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B
That's one thing I wanted to say. Like, big Jew, big Zionist. Happy to be here, you guys. Do A kiddush hashem every day by, like, coming on this show. And just not even. Even when you don't talk about Israel and Judaism. Like, you just represent us so well. And there's a lot of people who are being, like, afraid to speak out or, like, be proud and be strong. And so, like, we are in desperate need of people who can, like, be proud and be strong. And you both do it so well.
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A
So thank you very much. That really means a lot. Like, whenever people say something akin to that to us, like, it. Like, it's our reason to tear and you do. I could say the same thing to you.
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B
Thank you.
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A
So we have a lot to accomplish here today, and I feel like the last few days Toast has been, like, super buzzy. Like, we're in the news. We are the news. And today, like, we have to get back to work. Like, the stories have been falling by the wayside a little bit. And so I've brought in the expert, and, like, we will be discussing each story. Okay, five stories plus TV recap. There's actually a lot to talk about because the celebrities have emerged from. For the Bezos Sanchez wedding.
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B
Yes. And the clip art invitation, which I think you already talked about.
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A
I did. We didn't talk about the aesthetic. We just talked about the gifting. But I do have a lot of questions about the invitation or the card that was shared, like, because it was kind of ugly, and why and how did we see it. The wedding's not even over. Like, everyone knows you don't share your invitation till after the wedding.
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B
Right. I think it reminded me a lot of, like, in the religious community and religious Jewish communities, there's a lot of, like, PDFs, because a lot of people invite, like, 800 people to their wedding. So there have been a couple times when I get, like, a. A PDF on my phone, and that's considered very normal because that's just, like, how. And also, events happen so much faster in the religious world, so that's, like, kind of what it reminded me of. But the ones I see are way more pargy. This was just, like, confusing, and I don't understand why we had access to it.
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A
I think I haven't been following it too closely, but I think, like, from a bird's eye view, they. They get a lot of shit for everything that they do. I think they got shit for, like, coming to Venice and taking over the Venetian resources. And I think this PR to say, like, we are giving back to the Venetian people, so fuck off and stop ruining our wedding weekend with Your nastiness.
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B
Yeah.
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And I think they accomplished that.
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B
I think so too. And I think people will always hate them. And so they just have to tread. Not lightly, but they have to do what they want.
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Just be. Keep it in mind. I don't think she's someone who can, like, be slowed down by the haters.
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B
No. Do they even hear their haters? Like, are they. Aren't they so removed from that?
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A
I don't know. They could be if they wanted to be. But I feel like she's plugged in. Like, do. Do you think she knows how we all felt about Blue Origin?
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B
Do you think she's a swirly?
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A
I feel like she has swirly, like, tendencies. Like, I don't think she, like, would listen to the toast or anything just cause we're like, probably, like, annoying, but she's not. Like, there's so many things about her that are just like, traditional girly things.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And like, the toast is a traditional girly thing.
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B
Yeah. And I think maybe you or Claudia once said that the way that she's been doing all of this is like, really what one of you would do if you were married to Jeff Bezos. Like, I want to be, like, around all of these famous people. Like, yes, the money is nice, but like, if I had power, like, bring me Kris Jenner.
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Bring me Kris Jenner. Jeff, don't worry. I'm going to throw you the best birthday party you've ever had. We're going to have a phone party on the yacht. Like, she's doing it right. I don't know why people are so mad at her.
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B
I think.
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A
I think that maybe the Astro flight was a little. She got a little carried away. But like, Katie took the.
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B
Took the brunt of that, though.
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A
Wouldn't you get carried away if you were married to Jeff Bezos and he had a rocket ship? It's like, if I was married to someone who had a. I don't know, a convertible, I'd drive it.
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B
Yeah, I think. I. I don't. Her going on that, like, rocket ship doesn't bother me. If anything, it's like, kind of impressive because I don't. I would never do it.
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A
Yeah.
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And so she's like. She's wanting to be interested in the things that he does. So. Seems like a good partner.
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A
Yeah, seems like a good partner. They both do, like, flight because she also, like, pilots helicopters. And I'm sure you've seen that.
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B
I haven't.
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A
And she also has a children's book called the Fly who Flew to Space. And it's about like a flight who flew to space.
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B
Do you have that one?
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A
I have it in my house because I was just doing like a little R D. I want to see, like, what Lauren Sanchez is about. It wasn't my favorite, but for a couple days, like, the boys were into it. They picked it up. You should read. It's at my house. I'll give it to you.
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B
Okay. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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A
Maybe bring it home for Lil. Yeah, maybe she'll become a female astronaut, Change the world.
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B
There's like, Jews just like, don't go to space. You know what I mean? Yeah. At least not the ones I know. So we'll see.
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A
We'll see. Well, let's get into the fast five story since we're already in it. And we'll wait in and out. Catching up with Lizard P. So now, without further ado, Da doo da do it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you do need to know. Today's episode is brought to you by Skims. Skims is the fabric that is keeping me intact these days because I wear skims every day in every way. Bras, undies, T shirts, pajamas. They are a one stop shop for everything that you could possibly need from intimates to undergarments. They have it all and everything is so good. So some of my favorite products are the fits everybody collection. They have a fits every push up Fits everybody push up bra, Fits everybody thong fits everybody undies. They are the best undies and the best intimates that I've ever owned. My like underwear drawer and you know, bits drawer is becoming exclusively skims. I'm so particular about intimates since my body is changing. It has changed and it's going to continue to change. 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Katie is of course upset, but is relieved to not have to go through with another divorce as that was the worst time in her life. Right. They're not married.
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B
That was the most surprising part to me. I didn't realize they weren't married. I'm also not like super tuned in to their relationship. I know. They have a daughter, I think Daisy, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. Which is so cute and always sad, like when there's a dissolution of, you know, a relationship with a child. But I do think it's like a red flag that they were engaged for such a long time and didn't get married. I don't know. I read that their wedding was postponed from COVID But like, Covid was the onset of. COVID was five years ago.
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A
Yeah. But now I forgot that she was married to Russell Brand and that that was bad.
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B
Yeah.
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So maybe she just always knew she wasn't gonna get married again. And this definitely makes things simpler. And I also feel like it leaves the door open for them to get back together because if they just are split right now, like, there's no lawyers, there's no hating. You don't get to the place of like, pure hatred. And like, everyone going back for years on. On stuff. And so, like, maybe they would love each other again without that hate.
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B
It's possible, I think. Yeah. Celebrity divorces are always. Honestly, when I see celebrities get married, I, in the back of my mind always think, like, this is. There's like a 5% chance that this will be successful. I think you are, like, a little bit more delusional than me in that way because you're always like, getting upset when celebrities break up.
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When they break up. But also I think when they get married because it is so hard to get divorced. And like, in most celebrities don't get married because of that and all the money and it's like, very complicated. So when they get married, I'm like, well, that's that, like. And I close the book. So then when I have to open it back up, I'm like, well, damn.
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B
And I don't think it's a story because I don't think there's been any. Anything new. But do you mind if I talk about Travis and Taylor?
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A
I would love for you to talk. I know I would have made it a story if there was literally anything, but I think, like, she took the day off yesterday and was just at home and like, she knew I was.
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B
Coming on the toast. She had a feeling, but.
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A
But don't count her out for tomorrow's stories. Right. I would love for you to talk about Travis and Taylor. I bring them up like, every day with whoever's the co host. But there's really just, like, not that much to say. And I guess people don't feel as strongly about it as we do.
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B
Yeah, I feel so strongly about it. And there was a while, especially like six months or a year ago, where I would always say they shall wed. Like, these two are on the path for marriage. I also always hear about who are in long term relationships, then they have like a quick rebound and then the next one is like, the guy. Like, I've heard that trope so many times. And I was like, oh, that applies here. And she just seemed to be in, like, such a happy place. And I'm so happy for them. But I'm also kind of like, looking at my watch.
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A
No, now it's like getting long in the two.
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B
Yeah. And I read that he's like waiting until his football career is over to like make the next move, which could just be, you know, nine months or a year. But I, I'm a little worried about that because I think it's like if, if someone is always kind of like finding. I don't want to say an excuse, but like a reason to delay. I don't love that.
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I don't love that either. I feel like regular people do that a lot too. It's like, oh, I'll do this when that happens, or like when I get that promotion, then I'll be happy. And like, I see so many reels that are like, that's just not a way to live. Like, you have to live in the now. And I really just, I feel like him thinking that way, like, I'm not proposing till the end of this season and is a stupid way to think. And. And I actually, I'm going to choose not to believe that that's what he's doing because it's too stupid. Yeah. But like this summer will be their two year anniversary and so that's when typical cheugy traditional couples would get engaged. Right. That's like the usual. Like if you're on a standard trajectory, it's like two years till engagement. So like anything before now would have been like really early and just like swept up in the romance. So like once the clock strikes two years, like now I'm, I'm waiting, but like then it just makes me wonder, what was that party with the ring pictures where like, you saw the Photoshop ring?
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B
Yeah, it was totally blurred. Honestly, I think the simplest answer is that she was wearing a ring on her ring finger. It wasn't an engagement ring and she still didn't want there to be talks of an engagement. Like she was just wearing a normal ring and she realized after she took the picture, oh, like that could be perceived as an engagement ring. So I better blur that out. But, but ultimately it actually made us like more think that she was engaged because it was such a bad Photoshop job.
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A
And you don't think that when she put the ring on her ring finger she was like, people are gonna think I'm engaged. Like, I feel like she's so aware of what people think about everything she does.
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B
I think that she is too, but I don't know. Like, why would that. Would they be engaged this long and they're not? Would we even know if I got married?
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A
I think they're engaged. I think. And I think that the circuits do any day now.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And maybe, like, the surrogate is in Florida. I don't know what their surrogacy laws are here.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But, like, they're spending a lot of time in Florida during the worst time of year in Florida. Like, it doesn't make a ton of sense, but okay. Like, go off. I love it here, too. Maybe the surrogate is a Floridian woman and they're being close for the birth.
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B
Yeah. I don't understand the training in South Florida in the summer. Honestly, that is. That is peculiar. But I do think that when they.
- [22:35]
A
Have homes and everywhere. Nashville is beautiful. Rhode Island.
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B
Yeah. You couldn't pull me away onto something. Unless maybe there's other people who train in Florida.
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A
Or I think maybe there's, like, a trainer down here. I know he's, like, training in Miami. Like, maybe he sought out a certain person because he's, like, getting in the game. Get your head in the game. But, like, he could also afford to bring someone to Kansas City or Rhode Island.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's where I would spend the summer.
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B
I think also there's a lot of, like, fodder about, oh, maybe she, like, doesn't want to. Maybe, like, they're just, you know, they're on their own timeline. Give them space. I'm like, have you heard any of her music? She wants to be married.
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A
Biggest romantic.
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B
Even in her recent music, which, like, maybe you could say, oh, when she was younger and speak now. She was so into marriage and Romeo and Juliet. It's like, no. On the tortured Poets Department, she's talking about, like, how taken aback she was when Matty Healy would, like, take a ring finger and put it on her ring finger. Like, it made her heart explode.
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A
She's wearing a fucking wedding dress on the stage.
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B
Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, you pointed that out. She's wearing a wedding dress on the stage. She wants to be married. And so I'm.
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A
She's singing. I'm having his baby.
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B
Right. And so I'm just advocating on. On her behalf. I'm not, like, putting my own, you know, heteronormative thing on this.
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A
I'm projecting onto them. And I do feel like with celebrities, like, you know, I understand that I will never understand what it's like. And I don't even try to, like, say, you know, Kylie and Timothy even. I'm just, like, have a baby. But, like, I'm never, like, get married because I understand it's complicated. Like. But I agree, for her, it's like, well, she said those things, right? She. She wants those things and I'm listening. And now she's got a man for two years who wants those things too, whose brother has four kids. And like, he's always said that's what he wants. So, like, what if he just.
- [24:09]
B
What if you just. And it's like, perfect too, because they live in Pennsylvania. And I've always thought, like, they'll move to Pennsylvania. That's where she's from. Or like, they'll have their farm in pa. It's such a great place to live. They can be around each other. Her family is always like, goes where she goes. So, like, maybe we'll. Maybe we'll meet the twain. Shall meet in Pennsylvania.
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A
Because, you see, that's where all roads lead to Pennsylvania.
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B
Yeah. Like, I think, like, I could see myself moving back there. It's beautiful place to, like, be and raise children. It's. We were just talking, like, I think it's the best state in the country. Like, it's just. They get all the seasons that you have a city, you're close enough to New York, if you like, like New York life. So that's easy for her. But. Yeah, get married and move to Pennsylvania.
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A
I do think in the last few months, when they've been like, low key and down here and just like together the whole. I think something's brewing. Whether it's a surrogate, I don't know. But like, I think things are going to the next level. And then the next time that they go on one of their, you know, when she, he's in season and she's stepping out, like, I just, I feel like they'll be further along in their relationship in some way. I don't know which way.
- [25:10]
B
Maybe he just wants to, like, win another super bowl and then propose. I don't.
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A
I'm not dumb.
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B
I don't want. I'm not one of those people who thinks that he will, like, propose on the field. I think that's like. I don't know who they think they're talking about when people say that, but I do. I could see him wanting to just, like, be successful and like, everything is going well as opposed to like, he sort of stunk it up at the last super bowl, if I may say so. So he just might not have felt in his right mind. But again, I'm with you. I don't like people who, like, unreasonably delay for those reasons. Yeah, there's always a reason to delay.
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A
And like the engagement and like, your Relationship doesn't need to be tied to football. Like, why don't you focus on the. Like, if you proposed, like, right now, it's like, well, the super bowl was six months ago. Like, we're not even associating the two.
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B
Right.
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A
And the next one's in six months. So, like, it doesn't take away from, like, now's the time.
- [25:53]
B
Yeah. And I don't know what kind of wedding they would have. Like, I could see them going humongous. She is literally the biggest. It would be bigger than the royal wedding. And I know I'm biased because I'm a fan, but I really think so. Like, she's the biggest star in the world, so they might want to just, like, you know, do something, scale it back and do, like, a backyard thing in Nashville. I just, like, hope selfishly that we get some of it.
- [26:13]
A
So when you have always said, like, they shall wet, do you still feel like they will wed Less. Less.
- [26:19]
B
I feel that way less. It's the same thing. That's why. That's how we got here was like the Orlando Bloom Katy Perry conversation was when there's, like, just sort of delays, it just makes you question. Like, it makes you question.
- [26:31]
A
But do you think when you feel like they won't get married, you think they'll stay together, though? It's just like, they won't do the legal bit because it's complicated.
- [26:40]
B
It would be really complicated for them to get married. And so maybe I'm, like, waiting for something that would. It never happened because I don't know how you're Taylor Swift and you, like, organize your life and your lawyers such that, like, you could protect yourself. But I don't know. I could see them being, like, long term. Goldie and. What's Goldie and Kurt? Goldie and Kurt. Like, I can see that for them. And I think that's, like, there's a few cases of that where they're really.
- [27:02]
A
Successful, like Kylie and Timothy.
- [27:05]
B
Right. But they haven't been together long enough for us to say, like, they might get married.
- [27:08]
A
They will be okay. Do you think? What do you think about them otp?
- [27:12]
B
I'm a little bit, like, I love them, but I. It's. There haven't been a ton of success stories in that family as far as, like, relationships go. I actually think that Travis and Courtney are, like, fabulous, and if they, like, keep going, they could be like, the success story, which is amazing because she had children with somebody else and she had, like, very torrid breakup on camera. And then she really did seem to just, like, find it and figure it out.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I'm not sure about Kylie and Timothy. I like them, but I don't know if they'll.
- [27:38]
A
You're saying history as an indicator is not good?
- [27:41]
B
Yes.
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A
Okay. Way to burst my bubble. Well, actually, our next story is some Kardashian news because Kim Kardashian is set to star in the new Bratz movie as a villain. So Kim is being eyed to play the villain in Amazon, MGM's Bratz movie. Amazon won a bidding war for rights to the live action film about the popular children's toy in hopes of backing the next Barbie. Additional details about the plot and cast haven't been revealed. I think she'll get the part because she's at Jeff Bezos wedding and if she says the part, then Jeff will call and say, give her the part. Right.
- [28:13]
B
Yeah. You have some family lore with the Bratz movie, so.
- [28:16]
A
Well, that's the other part of the story. I love Bratz movie. I. We were never like Bratz dolls. Girls. We are more American girl dolls.
- [28:23]
B
Yeah, same thing.
- [28:24]
A
But the Bratz movie. And they've already made a Bratz movie. And so I don't know why they need to like, recreate or try and like, redo what's a perfect thing, but that's what they love to do. The Bratz movie, as you guys know, like, we used to love it growing up, and we were watching it one morning and in the middle of it, like, we found out that our dad passed away, which was really obviously sad. And then when we. So we went to the hospital and like, we spent the day doing that, and then we came home and we finished the movie.
- [28:50]
B
So do you think that this would help with your association? Like a new version or. You actually seem to have a positive, a decent association.
- [28:55]
A
I love the Bratz movie and I love it so much that not even, like the greatest trauma in my life could change how I feel about the movie. And so if they could re. If this new movie could be that level of amazingness. And I'm not even joking, like, watch the Bratz movie. Like, it's fucking party.
- [29:11]
B
Is it like. Is it animated?
- [29:12]
A
No, it's. It's a live action Bratz. There's like four girls there in high school and the campus is like, so beautiful. And there's like this mean girl who's like, tearing them apart, making everyone feel like they need to be in, like, clicks and like, just be in a box. And they're like, well, I like sports and I Like science. And I like drama. Why can't we be friends? And it's just an amazing movie with an amazing message and, like, a good soundtrack too. And Chet Hanks is in it.
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B
Oh, no kidding. Yeah, that's funny.
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A
He's breakout.
- [29:36]
B
What a roster he has.
- [29:37]
A
No, it's the most random movie, but it's so good. So I would say if this Bratz movie could be that good, I of course, want more goodness. Knowing Hollywood nowadays, it can't be good. They just can't make a good movie. So in that case, don't mess with perfection.
- [29:54]
B
I see. I actually think that Kim being like the villain in the Bratz movie is, is perfection. I think that's perfect. And I know that you are skeptical of her, like, acting journey, and I understand why. But I was thinking about it today and I was thinking, like, I think in a lot of ways her acting in, like, traditional roles is actually probably one of her, like, end game goals for her because she grew up in Hollywood around, like, all of those people who, to her, like, being famous was everything and the way that you got famous when she was growing up was being an actor and things. So I kind of understand, like, why she has that goal. And I also think they're always trying to, like, diversify their platforms and get to audiences in different ways. So I think this is perfect. Also, she's such, like, a brat. Like, she's so, like, she has such big features and she's so that way. And I, the third thing I wanted to say was that I think I understand people who want to get involved in, like, children's projects when they have children.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's the way you always talk about people who do, like, soundtracks when they have kids.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I think it's like, I think that that's perfect.
- [30:52]
A
That's very kind and generous of you. And I agree that, like, if she's going to be an actress, this is a fun thing to act in. I would want to be in a Bratz movie too. Just knowing, like, the history and how it's such a storied franchise and they already have the next Barbie on their hands, but they don't even fucking know it. However, I will never, like, be so tolerant and, like, sympathetic towards why she wants to be an actress now when she's conquered the world. And I just, like, I, I, I just, it boggles my mind.
- [31:23]
B
She does have a lot on her plate. I do think the, the law school part is behind her. Although I think she has to study for the bar, so that Part isn't behind her, but I do think.
- [31:32]
A
And then she's gonna be a lawyer still.
- [31:34]
B
She has said in interviews that she, like, wants to keep it in her back pocket. And I do think she probably, like, when she was doing all those things, going to the White House, Alice Marie Johnson. She probably did feel really out of her element. Now, that would never be, like, motivation enough for me to, like, take six years to do that when I had four children and was also dealing with, like, a very public divorce and all of these changes. But is it possible she just likes it? That she likes the craft?
- [31:57]
A
Yeah, but, like, then you can, like, study the law on the side. Like, you don't have to take it all the way.
- [32:02]
B
No, the acting.
- [32:06]
A
I can't. Like, you know how we feel about actors and actresses.
- [32:09]
B
Like, it's community.
- [32:10]
A
Crazy town. Yeah, it's crazy town. And, like, you do it as a means to an end. Like, and the. The high life and the glamour and like, that she already has that ending. Or you do it because, like, you're so, like, passionate about acting, about the craft theater. And you are a theater kid in drama. And she's not that either. So, like, she has all the perks of the Hollywood life. She doesn't have that, like, itch for the love of theater.
- [32:35]
B
Right.
- [32:36]
A
So what are you doing?
- [32:38]
B
Well, I guess we'll see. Time will tell with the Bratz movie.
- [32:41]
A
Are you gonna watch that new show she's in?
- [32:43]
B
Oh, is it a Ryan Murphy show? Like, about the. She's like, Laura Wasser.
- [32:46]
A
Yeah.
- [32:46]
B
Yes. Like, that is so up my alley. I always joke, like, every time my husband does something that's cringy, I'm like, call Laura Wasser. She's the celebrity divorce lawyer to the stars. And I think that's actually, like, it looks like it'll be good. There's other people, like, there's other good people in it. Glenn Close is in it, so I think I'll give it a try. Her other show that she was in, American Horror Story. Not for me.
- [33:05]
A
Did you watch it?
- [33:06]
B
I think I was pregnant when it was on, and it was very about, like, pregnancy and babies. And it was very, very disturbing. And I was trying to, like, keep that demonic energy away from me, so I didn't finish it.
- [33:18]
A
Okay, that's good. But you'll give the divorce show a shot?
- [33:22]
B
Yeah, I will.
- [33:23]
A
Okay. I guess if I hear that it's good. But I'm not as open minded as you. Like, you're very optimistic.
- [33:27]
B
There's just like a dearth of good television. And so anytime, something like, sounds good, I will try to give it a try. Yeah.
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A
Our next actually and a little more Kardashian and Jason news. Part of this story is that Rob has made an appearance in a photo with Kim and Lala Anthony. So Kim posted a photo on Instagram on Wednesday saying, happy birthday to Lala and Rob is in the picture. So I think it's like a recent photo, if not, like, you know, in real time and we get a little Rob appearance.
- [33:57]
B
I love seeing Rob anytime we do. I think it makes total sense why they decided to, like, pull the plug on his being on the show. I think, like, there. I mean, there was a whole, like, court case about his relationship with China. So I get why it's like, we have to kind of separate that. And I don't think he really liked it, honestly. I think it, like, he probably had a really toxic relationship with filming, which a couple of them do, but they sort of, like, stick it out and tolerate it because they know that it's the best way for them to, like, remain relevant and have their businesses be successful. But it just didn't work for him. That being said, I love anytime we get a glimpse of him.
- [34:29]
A
Yeah. That he's doing well and he's still very much in the mix and, like, with the family. But, yeah, honestly. And what they do on the show, it's very girly.
- [34:36]
B
Very girly.
- [34:36]
A
It's for the girls. Like, there was never, even when things were going well for him on the show, like, in the early days, like, remember then they had that group therapy session.
- [34:44]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [34:44]
A
Like, there was never anything for him there. And that was probably really frustrating for him. But it was for the girls.
- [34:50]
B
Yeah, it was for the girls. And there were, like, a couple times, and I. When you look back, you realize, like, that should not have been for tv. I remember there was one episode when he had, like, gained weight and he was at the doctor. Do you remember this? And Kim is, like, trying to budge in to, like, talk to him, and he's like, no cameras. Like, I'm so uncomfortable. And you can kind of hear him crying. That's like, it's not. It's not for tv.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So when we get these glimpses into him that are like, what he wants, I'm always happy to see him doing well.
- [35:16]
A
Yeah, me too. Our next story is a little update from Breeners. Sabrina Carpenter unveils an alternate man's best friend friend album art that she says is approved by God amid the controversy. So I Guess I'm technically a part of this controversy, though my issue with her cover is different than everyone else's issue. Like, I just think it's not premium and pargy and the. The nature of it and, like, the mess. Like, that doesn't, like, bother me as much because Brina's gonna breen, you know, but she did put out another photo as an alternate album cover. So I don't know what this actually means for, like, distribution, streaming, and how we're gonna see it. And it's really a beautiful photo. Like, it looks like one of those photos from, like, the 60s of, like, you know, that reminds me of that photo of, you know who. Jane Mansfield. Like, I'll find it. It's like a black and white photo, and it's just like, her on the arm of a man. Yeah.
- [36:10]
B
I don't know whether this will be the album cover you see when you stream. I thought Olivia's point about this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [36:17]
A
It's beautiful. Sophia Loren and Jane Mantel. It's just like a beautiful black and white photo. Like, sort of candid, sort of not. That's what it reminds me of. I really like it.
- [36:26]
B
I didn't really care so much about the, you know, salaciousness of the COVID until I heard what Olivia said when she was on the toast, which was like, when you're streaming songs in the car, you see the album covers, like, they just come up. And I do think, on the other hand of that, it's like, well, we grew up with, like, Britney album covers and. Or I did, like. And I would play them on my jukebox or radio or whatever. So, like, I saw those covers to this maybe feels like a step above just like a woman scantily dressed. But I thought that just, like, was a really good point. Like, we don't always have to go, like, be the most sexual just because we can. And she doesn't. She also doesn't really, like, need to. She has such a huge audience and a huge following. And I love that like. Like what you say. Her, like, sexiness is part of her shtick. And I think she usually does it really well, which is why the album cover was kind of surprising. I mean, I think the people writing think pieces about it need to touch grass. But I didn't love it either.
- [37:21]
A
Yeah, I think it's best when it's, like, more subtle, and it's like you can listen to the same song. Like kids and they hear one thing and, like, the parents hear another. And I think that's Just like the best way of doing it and it allows everyone to enjoy your music.
- [37:33]
B
Yeah.
- [37:33]
A
So if you want to, like, then take a left turn and go harder in the pain. It just means that, like, okay, it's not for everyone anymore. And again, like, not an iconic, beautiful image. Sorry. Like, that's where I get hung up. That's not an album cover, right? That's not an album. It's a picture.
- [37:51]
B
It was like film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that. So I think that this is your impact, by the way.
- [37:56]
A
Me?
- [37:56]
B
Yeah. Or like you spoke for a lot of people when you said, like, this cover that she originally put out was not Pargie. Like, it wasn't beautiful. And maybe your point was a little bit different from like what the people on Twitter were saying.
- [38:08]
A
Yeah, it's a little bit different from people being like, this is bad. Like, she's meant to be a role model and this is bad for women and it's degrading. And like, I, like, she reserves the right to like, express herself and how she wants it. That's what she wants to be. You know, it's like when it reminds me a little bit of like when Miley was like, it's so not the same. Cause Sabrina's always been this way and never really. But it's kicked up another notch. And then. Yeah, you do alienate. Some parents don't want their kids to listen to this and it's like, well, that's not good for business.
- [38:34]
B
Yeah. I think that she. I think that the tweets she could always ignore, but like, once it gets to like the toast and maybe like Page Six picks it up, I think she realizes, oh, and not to mention, you're like her biggest fan and you never say a bad word about her.
- [38:46]
A
Right. And I'm still not saying I'm like, Brina's gonna breen.
- [38:48]
B
Right. And so, but so that's how you criticize your faves is just being like, this isn't for me. She should do what she wants, but it isn't for me. And she heard that and said, okay, here's like the God approved cover.
- [38:58]
A
Wow. And the Jax approved cover. You think so highly of me. Well, thank you so much. Even if I don't know what the. What was going on in Breiner's head. But that's so nice that you think I have an impact.
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B
You do. I mean, she, like a good artist. Artists team will listen to their big fans and you're a big fan and you have a platform.
- [39:15]
A
And I'm still Like, I would. I would still listen to this album. Like, it's not gonna change how you like. As long as the music is still good, which it's gonna be because it's her and she's like, she really doesn't miss. But I can just, like, say, like, it doesn't spark Joy, the COVID Yeah, understandable. I like this one, though.
- [39:29]
B
Yeah. So we'll see how that lands on, you know, Spotify and Apple Music and all that. I don't know which one will be.
- [39:35]
A
Yeah, maybe like, when there's, like, a clean version of the album and then they explicit. They would have two different covers.
- [39:40]
B
That's smart.
- [39:41]
A
That is smart. And honestly makes it easier for know which one to select when I'm listening.
- [39:45]
B
Yeah.
- [39:45]
A
Because I don't know how to find. Like, I don't. I'm not going to start typing. Like, you know, short and sweet, clean. Like, I just am typing.
- [39:51]
B
Sabrina, do your boys, like, like listening to that type of music with you?
- [39:55]
A
No. But sometimes if they're not paying attention, I can get away with playing some of Mommy's songs. Like, if they have. After we've listened to Spidey and his Amazing friends and we know the way from Moana, and then they're, like, satiated, or maybe they're falling asleep, like, then I can put on what I want to listen to.
- [40:12]
B
I was exposed to Tony's for the first time with your sons. And I think that they're truly fabulous.
- [40:18]
A
We love Tony's.
- [40:19]
B
People, like, were telling me about them when Lillian was really small, and so they just didn't apply to me yet. They still kind of don't. But it is such a good idea. Like, if the maker of Tony's is listening to this, like, well done. Because it's just great technology that I never would have thought of. And it really is a way to, like, captivate kids without, like, being in front of a screen. Yeah. But still, like, really. I don't know. I just think it's, like, such a great idea. There's music, there's stories, and they seem to love it.
- [40:43]
A
They love it. And they can, like, put the Tonys on the box and decide what they want to play. And you don't have to, like, keep changing the song. And they, as much, you know, sometimes listen to one for, like, 20 seconds and then change. Or they'll listen to them for a few minutes. They can get all their favorite characters. We need Mario and Luigi on Tony's. If anyone at Nintendo could work on that. That's the only Ones we're missing. But Tony's is also kind of like a new thing. So I feel like the amount of characters that they even have is amazing. Like, they have so many. Yeah, we love it. I would say, if your kids are, like, starting, like, one and up. I remember, like, Charlie was doing DJ Tony, like, around when he turned one, because we already had Tony's for Harry.
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B
Got it.
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A
Yeah.
- [41:19]
B
I mean, I think it's great. And I think it's hard to, like, keep kids entertained without just, like, always putting the TV on. And so I think it's, like, a great. It kind of captures, like, what TV does without the screen.
- [41:30]
A
Yeah. When I brought them last summer, Claudia, call them the boys, like, talk radio boxes.
- [41:35]
B
That's what I said to Chris this morning. I was like, the boys. Because he was playing classical music for my daughter, and I was like.
- [41:41]
A
Yeah.
- [41:41]
B
Like, the soundtrack here is a little different. I think they're listening to stories. It's like radio.
- [41:45]
A
Yeah.
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B
So, yeah.
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A
And they have some. They have Beethoven's wig, Tony. I'll have to play that one for you. It's really good. It's funny. It's like. It's actually really funny. It's one of my favorite Tonys. It reminds me a little bit of Ian, the narrator from Love is Blind. Cause it has an accent, who I love. And it's like comedy with classical music. It's hysterical.
- [42:04]
B
That's like toast radio.
- [42:05]
A
Yeah, Toast radio. And then they also have a maestro, Tony, that teaches how to compose. And it's such a good one. And they like that.
- [42:12]
B
I need that. It's. We have, like, a Beethoven book in my family that I gave to my nephew and that I read to Lillian, which. Which is, like, all learning about the symphony through Beethoven's Fifth ninth. Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. And it, like, teaches you all about the instruments and, like, where the instruments come from. So we're big on that type of. That type of stuff. I need to get the. The maestro, Tony.
- [42:32]
A
You need to get the maestro, Tony. I'll give you a sneak peek today when you come back to my house. So proud of Breiner for giving us more options.
- [42:38]
B
Yes. And just for, like, owning it and just saying, like, I saw what you guys said. Here's an. Here's a new album cover. And also, like, got approved. I love that.
- [42:48]
A
Yeah. It's funny. But then the other part of me is now, like, you shouldn't have backed down, breeder.
- [42:53]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not about that.
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A
I'm not about backing Down. But I am about pargy artwork, so I'm stuck. But I appreciate this and we'll see how it actually plays out. If this is, like a limited edition thing or if it will come up when I'm playing her new album.
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B
There are very few artists where, like, when they come out with new music, I know that when I play the album, I will just love it. And so anytime there's one of them, like, I will always support, it's like, like her, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo. I know. I don't know if you feel that way about. About Olivia Rodrigo. I do. So I'm always going to support her music.
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A
Yeah, same. I feel the same. Like, I'll add it to my, like, songs before I even hear it. I know I'm gonna like it, and I want it on my playlist. Same for, like, Luke Combs. Morgan Wallen, even though he's now has, like, 30 songs. So I have to be selected.
- [43:38]
B
Rascal Flats. Probably Rascal Flats.
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A
We need more refuel duets, you guys. They didn't do Broken Road, so I feel like that leaves the potential for a sequel album. It's the best. Did you listen to it?
- [43:50]
B
No. I'm not as much of a country person as you guys are.
- [43:52]
A
Oh, my God. I. I love it so much. I just love them. Like, seriously, who would you love to.
- [43:58]
B
Hear them do the Broken Road with?
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A
Oh, I. I mean, my mind just goes to, like, the class. Like, Luke Combs. Like, just a fellow country singer. But, like, I trust them, except for Backstreet Boys to pick the right person for the song.
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B
I went to a Luke Combs concert this summer. I do really like Luke Combs. Like, obviously I'm not as obsessed as you guys are, but I have to say, even if you're not a country fan, like, he just put such an amazing show. It felt like a rock concert.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I was like. I went home and told Chris. I was like, you would love it. And he's not a big country guy either because, like, it's such a good performance and it's so musical. Like, he doesn't do all of the stuff that, like, even they do at the Eras tour, which I think is great, but he's just such a musician that I think anybody could go to his concert and enjoy it.
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A
I agree. So I agree. Putting respect on Luke's name. Our next story. Demi Lovato has a new cookbook coming out called One plate at a time to help others heal their relationship with food. So Demi Lovato is cooking up something New. And it's not an album. It is a cookbook. The book is called One Plate at a Time Recipes for Finding Freedom with Food. It will be available next spring. Demi has been open about her struggles with bulimia and other eating disorders, and she told fans on social media that the project was born out of her own healing journey with food. She said stepping into the kitchen and learning how to cook has been such an important part of my recovery and healing my relationship with food. The book is filled with simple, comforting recipes that have allowed me to reconnect with myself and find both freedom and joy in my kitchen, feelings that I never thought I could experience.
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B
I think this is great. I really do. And I know that Demi has made a lot of career moves that I haven't understood. And she's. She's like, the frozen yogurt thing I thought was so a real low for her. But I actually think this is wonderful because I think that's a real thing for people who, like, struggle with eating disorders is that that food carries, like, so much weight. No pun intended. But just, like, being able to, like, be in the kitchen and cook and enjoy food, I think would be, like, such a wonderful way for people to heal. So I love this for her.
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A
I agree. I just won. Like, I'm curious how that's going to come through in a cookbook. Like, it's not about healthy recipes because it's not about thinking about food in healthy versus non healthy.
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B
Right.
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A
And it's also a little bit about, like, learning how to cook to appreciate, like. So I just wonder, like, tactically how she will be able to get that message through in a cookbook. I almost feel like a cooking show would be an easier way to show, like, the joy of cooking and, like, the. The wonders of food. So I just. I wonder if the message is going to be able to come through in a book is all my concern.
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B
Maybe she'll do, like, a bunch of reels kind of cooking. The recipes in the book. She should get wunj on the. On her. On her reels, she should get lish. Yeah, I think I hear what you're saying. So maybe it wouldn't translate to a cookbook, but I think if she's able to do, like, a digital manifestation of the cookbook, then it could be great.
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A
Yeah. But then it's like, okay, then it's the digital that's making it and it's the video that's making it make sense.
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B
Yeah. I don't know who's, like, buying this book, but I think it's a good career move for her.
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A
I think so too. Like, leaning into this. She does a lot of cooking videos. That's what I've seen from her a lot. And then it also just makes me wonder, like, from a. I love a cookbook. So, like, what are the recipes gonna be and how can I trust? Like, what makes you qualified to give me a recipe?
- [47:11]
B
Right. And is it only geared toward an audience that has maybe struggled with something like this in the past? Or could it be broadly applied to people who just, like, want good recipes?
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A
And if you are talking a lot about, like, the journey of healing, like, is it. Does it read almost more like a. Like a self help, a nonfiction book with recipes tied in it. She's kind of bitten off a lot here with this project, and she's.
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B
She's dug herself into, like, a corner of cookbook.
- [47:35]
A
It's very niche.
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B
It's very niche. Yeah, that I understand. So I will say the avocado toast that she made in the reel where she was announcing her cookbook looked very good. And it looked manageable for someone who's, like, maybe a novice, but also not. It wasn't just, like, putting toast in the oven and slapping avocado in it.
- [47:51]
A
What was it?
- [47:52]
B
So she grilled the bread on a pan. Do you ever do that, like, with your sourdough?
- [47:57]
A
No, I put it in my toaster oven.
- [47:58]
B
Yeah, so do I. I think that's, like, a good, easy way to level up cooking, but, like, I never do it. And then she took, like, a. A clove of garlic and, like, crushed it on the bread and then put avocado on it normally, and then, like, sprinkled, maybe, like, a little oil and salt. So it was just kind of like. It was a manageable recipe, but also still, like, gave something besides putting toast in an oven.
- [48:18]
A
That sounds good.
- [48:19]
B
Yeah.
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A
We're gonna get lunch after this. Yeah, pura vita sounds good. I actually want that. That avocado toast actually sounds really good right now. So while I'm holding space and I support Demi and, like, I support this era of Demi and, like, I might just buy the cookbook to support her and to support this wholesome endeavor. I think she's maybe bitten off a bit more than she could chew. But I. What do I know? Like, and I. I am curious what the actual recipes will be like, because even when you talk about avocado toast, I feel like that's a superfood. It will make you feel good. It will make you feel strong and full and not thinking maybe these are recipes that help you feel nourished, full, hearty, so you're not thinking about food all day.
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B
Yeah. It's not like diet foods, but it's also not like, you know, like, in a garden makes recipes.
- [49:04]
A
So much butter with a side of oil.
- [49:06]
B
This is, like a good, like, mind. Mindful eating. I don't know if, like, that's something she'll touch on in the books, but I could totally see it being, like, a great balance of recipes that. That, like you said, help keep you full and are healthy.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. And I just would like to know, like, where she got. Got the recipes from, since she's a novice cook. Like, maybe she has a chef that she works with, like, which would give it credibility. I would like that.
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B
Yeah. I also think that this, like, type of, you know, there's so many celebrity businesses, and people get down on celebrities for having businesses all the time. This is so inoffensive. Like, when celebrities come out with skincare or makeup brands, some of them are great. And I never am one of the people who's, like, criticizing them for doing it because the cream rises, but. But literally, like, the skin cream rises. But this is just like, she's putting out a book. She's not, like, using all these resources and oversaturating a market.
- [49:54]
A
Like, no, it's like, taking up space, taking time and, you know, resources away from another brand. Like, there are millions of books in the world. Demi Lovato can write whatever she wants.
- [50:03]
B
Exactly.
- [50:04]
A
I agree. A book is not offensive, but I'm also not someone to be like, you shouldn't be in this space.
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B
No. Anybody can do, like, anything they want, just don't buy it.
- [50:11]
A
No. And it's like, if it's a bad idea, it's not going to work. So it doesn't really matter, like, what you think. And if it works, then it was something that people wanted, so. Great.
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B
Agreed.
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A
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B
Right.
- [54:18]
A
They are both on the show and we do know in real life, like she's pregnant and they're engaged.
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B
Was that from the Perfect Match?
- [54:25]
A
Oh, yes. So, like this, I don't, I've never watched the show before. I don't really know the format but like between Juliet, Freddie, ad and Ollie. Also Clayton. I didn't watch a season with Bachelor. He's on Rachel from the Bachelor's on. Like, there's a lot of familiar faces. I'm wondering if I need to watch Perfect Match.
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B
Yeah, I've never seen it. I know you love Freddie. I also think this is your impact and the Toast's impact is like how much you guys platforming credit and championed him. And he needs like, he needs Love Club. Can Jalen go on this show, by the way? Like, they need to bring on people who were wronged by reality tv.
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A
Like there should be a reality show like, called like pjom Nation where all the P jobs from all these shows get together and find love. Because that's what like a common theme from this month. I've spoken to like a lot of reality TV people and I'm like. And they're single and I'm just like, well, what if we just beep beep bop boop bop. And I think we need a show called pjoms.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Where these people can meet each other. Rachel Corconnell.
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B
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Actually, like also Matt James I think could stand to meet someone maybe not on the same season.
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A
But like, I agree, I Completely agree. Craig was. Craig. Craig was just here.
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B
I'm so glad that you guys. I don't know if you talked about it on the Patreon or when he was here, but, like, how he was just the star of the Bris, which I was lucky enough to be at. Like, he really was.
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A
Like, when you were there, what was your experience?
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B
Well, he was obviously the tallest person in the room because, like, not Jewish. So, like, although Ben's tall, but, like, he was really the tallest person in the room. And everybody was. Everybody was talking about him. Especially because, like you said, the services were long, and so we were all just like, kind of looking around, kibitzing.
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A
And the women were like, on the top. Cause it was split, so it was like men on the bottom. Women were in the rafters. And we get to chit chat and that's our role. And so we're just looking down at all the guys.
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B
I said. I turned to Margo and said, like, he must be really bored because we were all kind of bored if I.
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A
It's Rosh Kodesh.
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B
God bless. Ruby. Yeah, but, like, it's boring. It was a tour.
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A
Ruby.
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B
It was like, morning services. And I was like, he.
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A
We didn't even get to the Ruby part until like, an hour and a half. Ruby wasn't even in the right.
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B
So I thought that he handled it, like, so well. And the fact that, like, he came on and was just like, you know.
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A
I think we're all thinking, like, is Craig okay? It's Rash Odish. And then to hear that, like, he was so into it, it was like, really beautiful.
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B
I'm always. When there's, like, righteous gentiles who come among us and, like, not only are, you know, participating, but have wonderful things to say, like, you'll always have a good spot in my book.
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A
No, 100%. Also, PJ put him on PJAM Nation.
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B
Yeah. I love this idea.
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A
Along with Jay, I can think of more women. Charlie.
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B
Charlie.
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A
More women. Juliet.
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B
Juliet.
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A
Who else was here?
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B
Well, it's a Love island spoiler. Should I not.
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A
No, we're spoiling Love island today. And actually, we can start right now because that was the fifth and final story. So let's get into it. Who else?
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B
Oh, Andrea.
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A
Oh, Landria.
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B
I. I mean, I don't know if she. She's out. It doesn't seem like she's out of the villa, but I. I thought she had such a wonderful. Like, she just. Wonderful. She was so strong and she had to deal with, like, all these people crying. It's like, no, Like, I. I felt annoyed for her because, like, I understand that the women are upset, and it would be one thing if they were not upset at all. Like, you want them to be kind of upset that you're leaving, but then they were sort of, like, making it about them.
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A
I'm sorry. They were crying like wild hyenas. If I were one of the Casa More boys who. They all seem really cool and, like, actually more like, better catches than the Villa guys, agreed, I would run from these women the way that they were wailing. And Alandria's not even crying now. Alandra has been, like, a fan favorite. She's been my favorite. But as I've gotten really frustrated with the Villa, it's hard not for me to take it out on Alandria, because with great power comes great responsibility. And I feel like she's the leader of the girls. Like, she's the oldest, she's the smartest. And the fact that, like, the girls made. I'm not going to get over them sending home Hannah making the dumbest decision. And, like, I feel like, where was Olandria in that moment to stand up to? Obviously, what was Huda's master plan? And where was she to say, of course Hannah's not going home, and of course it's going to be Amaya. And then look how that worked out, because Amaya wound up being the one to knock her out. By no fault of Amaya's, the way that they ran that episode with Casa and the. The recoupling and how it all went down was not conducive to a good show, because think about, like, Tommy and Molly on their season. If they went to Casa more and Tommy did not engage with one of the girls because his girl is Molly, and he's like, that's the test of Casa More to see if your relationship is stronger than all these temptations. So say he didn't engage with her because engage with anyone because, like, he knows that Molly is his girl. So none of the girls chose him. That would be like the normal thing, thing. And then he goes home or leaves the Villa. I don't know what's going to happen to Nick and Alandria, but let's just say go home because they did say you've been sent home or leave the Villa, whatever. I don't know. Even, like, so stupid. So it's like he's being punished for being loyal. That's. That's kind of what happened to Nick. Even though he was trying to make moves on Jaden. I think Jaden chose Austin. She probably liked Nick more. I think she chose Austin because it's a safer choice and that secures her spot. And it's like, yeah, Nick, you're cute. But, like, I want to be on the show, so. So I know you're going to go back to Sierra. Most likely. I want to be here. I would go with Austin. I think that's why she walked up to Austin immediately and why she's staying by Austin. Even though her conversations with Nick are obviously, like, much more flirty and cute than her conversations with Austin.
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B
I think that the criticisms you have of the way that they're handling this are actually like a byproduct of how meh the contestants are this season. Like, I think the producers are doing all of this as a response to them because they need to make it entertaining, and I don't think these people are that entertaining with the exception of Huda, which was like, yes, it was hard to watch, but it was like a car wreck. Like, you had to watch and it kept people watching. So I don't love it either. But I also like it. When they got to casa, it wasn't interesting because there are no strong couples that needed to be tested. So I think production was like, okay, how do we keep the audience interested? And they did it this way.
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A
But I think the audience. This does not keep us interested because Nick and Alandria were fan favorites separately and together, of course. Michalandria at age, it's. We've all seen and now they're probably, like, having a field day. And unless production did this for the nickelandria stands, of which there are maybe 20, I don't understand why they did this. Like, what is this accomplished? Nick and Sierra were the. The. The strongest couple in the house. We're here for strong couples. Like, we want to test the couples. We want to see if they still come back to one another. But I don't want to watch a bunch of random every night meet a new person, watch them have intro what's important. You. What's your favorite fruit? What's your favorite fruit? What do you do? Like, I. I go through that. That's like the love is blind pots. I go through that to get to the good stuff.
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B
Right.
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A
Making me go through that every night. And sometimes and right when someone reaches a point of interest, they have a target on their back for having a relationship and. Or they get sent home for staying loyal to their relationship. Like, what am I watching?
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B
I think Nick and Alandria are Staying, though.
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A
Okay.
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B
Because they didn't. Everybody pointed this out. They didn't say, like, you have now been dumped from the villa. They just said, like, pack your bags. You're leaving. And also, that flashing light that comes up when they leave the villa that says loves me not apparently was not. It didn't say, loves me not. It said, like, loves me not.
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A
And then, of course, like, when she pulls up in the car and says, get in, it's obviously an exciting get in, like, we're going somewhere. So I agree. Maybe they're not dumped from the villa, but they want us to think that they are. It's so stupid. Like, it's so stupid.
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B
I think that people said they did on Love Island UK once bring people to, like, a hideaway. So they made you think that they were leaving the island, but then they go to a hideaway together either to, like, you know, watch over what's going on in the villa in Casa More. But it could also be interesting because if people. They're putting the nickelandria thing to the test by. By putting them together in a hideaway.
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A
But that would be really crazy if that's what they're doing. They're. They're. The show is being run by Twitter, and then, like, they do things that they think. Think Twitter will, like, and then it's like, a day later, and we're like, no, that's not what we wanted.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it's not a way to run your show. Like, also, Alandria is all locked in on Taylor for some. For some reason, I don't think she's interested in Nick. I think, like, she was talking to a lot of nice guys at Casa More and, like, it's Taylor for her. So to put them in a hideaway, like, I just don't think that's gonna do much. Plus, Nick has his plate full between Sierra and Jaden.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. I just don't get it. Like, that was, like, the weirdest thing I've ever seen. And it's becoming. Not that I want to, like, feel bad for the islanders, but it's becoming, like, psychological warfare in there, like, every day not knowing, like, what's coming that night. And, like, you think, like, you go on a show that has a format because you want to find love, say so say you're finding love, and, like, you think that you're doing the right things, and, like, at any moment, the rug can be pulled out from under you. I think when you're in the island, like, it is. Is, like, almost cultish in the sense that when you leave, it feels like the end of the world, which I can understand because they're, like, so removed from literally everyone and everything, and so it feels like the end of the world. But also, if you like someone and you're taken away from them, like, every single night going through this, like, they can't even enjoy a drink. They're like, when's the text coming?
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B
When's the shoe gonna drop?
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A
And it's becoming a little bit like a torture chamber.
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B
Yeah. I do think that Love island, seasons past have done a little bit of that. I remember. I think maybe it was last season or two seasons ago on uk, they just, like, randomly dump someone who is in a really good couple. And that was great. And then that person came back to Casa More, which is why you always hear the fodder of, like, oh, well, maybe they'll bring Jeremiah back for Casa More.
- [63:43]
A
Like, I'm not over Jeremiah.
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B
I don't think he's coming back because he was on the Vial Files. Like, I think. I think once you go on the podcast, you ain't coming back.
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A
I thought that too, but, like, it still looks like he could be in Fiji. Like, he was just in front of a curtain. And so maybe them letting him do podcasts, like, makes us think he's not coming back. I don't think he's coming back because I don't think the show would do anything that's, like, actually what we want.
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B
Or also, I don't think his connections were that strong where it would make it work.
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A
I know, but, like, and Trina's, like, breaking my heart, like, just watching her, like, stumbling around, gossip more, with no friends and no man and, like, this guy that she's throwing herself after, like, he doesn't even seem that interested in her. When, like, she went from being, like, the prize, like, oh, my God, everyone was ready to cut and run from their relationships, from her, her. And now she's in Casa More as, like, the lowest rung on the ladder. Like, what?
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B
Yeah. And Huda seems to be, like, doing pretty well in Casa.
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A
She's getting by. And that's, like, the theme. It's like, the people who are doing well this season are people who are not shining and not failing. Like, who are just getting by and, like, doing what they need to do. And. And that's not interesting. Like, those people were never the interesting reality TV stars. It's people at the bottom and the people at the top.
- [64:54]
B
Yeah.
- [64:55]
A
So why are we, like, not cutting some, trimming some of the Fat here.
- [64:59]
B
And now there's like 50 people.
- [65:01]
A
Yeah.
- [65:01]
B
On the show. So it's also hard to. To keep track. But I, I'm gonna keep watching because like I love talking about it with everybody and I need to see this through.
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A
It's been 22 episodes in like a part of something and it's been like, good for this, it's good for business. So. And now it's. I've made it part of my nightly routine so like I can, I can handle it. And yeah, I guess I wanna see it through, but I don't know what the, like what this means for next season. For me. Like, I think this has been really, really like bad for like the brand of Love Island. It's really bad.
- [65:32]
B
Yeah. I think as you know, last season was amazing. Which is like your Achilles heel. That you didn't watch it and now you're watch. You're stuck watching this one.
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A
But there I watched the one before it. I watched. I watched season one, Love island usa.
- [65:45]
B
Oh.
- [65:45]
A
I think I watched season two. I don't remember which was which, but I watched the COVID one on the rooftop in Las Vegas.
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B
I didn't know that that's. That's.
- [65:53]
A
Yeah. That's where like Selly came from. Justine, who won that season is on Perfect Match also.
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B
Oh, got it. Okay.
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A
I didn't know that this was happening after that was the Shannon and Josh season. Watched most of that.
- [66:04]
B
Uh huh. Um. Yeah. They were trying to like replicate last season and they picked in my opinion, a bunch of duds with the exception of Jalen and Charlie.
- [66:12]
A
Charlie and Andrea is good but like almost not right for this show because is she is not quick to open up.
- [66:19]
B
No.
- [66:19]
A
And let down her walls.
- [66:21]
B
She should have gone on Love is Blind.
- [66:23]
A
Yeah. She should have. Or even like the Bachelor because she wants a real relationship and no one. Like I hear. I think people are like, I would take one, but it's not why it's.
- [66:31]
B
Not at the forefront of their mind. And I actually do think Love island can produce good relationships because even if people go on with the intention of growing their following, being put on an island without your, like, forget your following. Like, maybe it'll grow when you're away, but like you're not even looking at your phone. So I think it's. I think people who fall in love, I think most of the time it's real. Like, look at Molly and Tommy. I know they're like the best success story but.
- [66:53]
A
But like you really get to know each other. So like if you don't like this person. You're not gonna like them, but you get to see everyone through a bit. Like, all you do is sit there and talk.
- [67:02]
B
Yes. And it seems like just on this season, the people are not really doing that. And when Alandria was leaving and she said, like, I just. Like, I haven't been in a relationship in five years. I just want someone to love me. Like, I just. My heart broke because I think that she. Are you. Are you thinking it could have been Jalen?
- [67:15]
A
I. I said Jaylen would have. Yeah.
- [67:17]
B
That's what.
- [67:18]
A
Even though I like him, I don't fault her for that. No, it's not her fault that the greatest man in the world liked her and she didn't feel the same way.
- [67:25]
B
Yeah. And. And Alandria, like, you deserve someone like Jaylen, but if you don't like him, you don't like him.
- [67:30]
A
Yeah. And there must be something about Taylor that's not cut across on the television screen.
- [67:34]
B
Yeah.
- [67:35]
A
With. He's got two girls in Casa into their casa more.
- [67:39]
B
Coco and Clark. Who did he. Who did he end up with?
- [67:41]
A
Clark. He really likes Clark.
- [67:43]
B
And Coco was with Ace.
- [67:44]
A
Yeah.
- [67:45]
B
Okay. Like, that's fine. I guess we'll see.
- [67:49]
A
Grayson and Pepe.
- [67:50]
B
Yeah.
- [67:50]
A
You know.
- [67:51]
B
Oh, yeah, Classic. There's a Grayson and there's a Jaden.
- [67:54]
A
Yeah, there's a Grayson and a Jaden.
- [67:55]
B
Okay.
- [67:56]
A
And then for the boys, the only couples that are, like, in Casa More that are standing out to me are Sierra and Alon. Love, love. I hope that. That she's jumped ship. Even though I like Nick, but, like, he's not giving her what she needs. And Alon is, like, dialed in on Sierra. Huda would really flirt with anyone at this point. I don't, like, see a connection between the person. Jb, jd I'm not seeing it, but she'll take this thing all the way. Shelly and Chris, I like.
- [68:31]
B
Although I don't know how. How to feel about this idea that, like, Shelly and Ace knew each other before and were sort of, like, going on the show as people who were a couple or, like, I don't know what they're trying to do, maybe gain a following, but so that, like, puts it weirdly into perspective. And actually, I think you could see that when Shelly was talking to, I think Sierra and she said, like, you know, if he came in in the beginning, like, this would have, like, maybe changed things. He would have been someone I would have talked to. So maybe. Maybe if that is the plot that, like, her and Amy, Ace came on to, like, do this together that she really was, like, thinking through. She might like this other guy.
- [69:04]
A
Yeah. And I'm shocked that the producers haven't, like, kind of interfered with Shelly and Ace yet, especially knowing that, like, people really don't like Ace. Like, if they're listening to Twitter, they're not about Ace, and, like, testing them to see, like, what this is the deal with their relationship. Like, I feel like other people have been so singled out, like, to, like, Jeremiah, Hannah. Like, they. Things were really, like, orchestrated to get to shift things. And I wonder why producers are leaving them alone.
- [69:35]
B
Yeah, haven't messed with them yet. I think it's like the. The storm of the producers trying to do things and also like the islanders doing things. And I don't think they interfere with everything. I think, like, a lot of things really are Islander voted. So sometimes you'll get scenarios like Ace and Shelley where they're not. Not successfully able to.
- [69:52]
A
But do you think that the vote of the popularity vote with the bottom three, do you think that was honest by producers of who the true bottom three was?
- [69:59]
B
Who were the bottom three?
- [69:59]
A
The girls was Hannah, Iris, and Amaya.
- [70:04]
B
Okay.
- [70:04]
A
Not Huda.
- [70:05]
B
Not Huda.
- [70:06]
A
And the boys were Jeremiah, Austin, and Pepe, maybe. No, maybe not Pepe, Jeremiah, Austin, and I don't know. I just know Austin should have been the one to go.
- [70:18]
B
I'm. I actually do think that that could have been accurate. I think a lot of people voted for Huda because as much as, like, she. A lot of people are like, get her off the show. It's the same thing that people say about, like, Lisa Rinna. Yeah, like, get, like, fire her. But why? She's making good television and we're all talking about her. At a certain point, sometimes people need to go because, like, they're not adding anything real or substantial. But, like, when you're making that much drama and keeping people interested in the show, I understand why. Why A, producers would want them to stay, and B, why people would. Would vote for them. Because you want to keep seeing, like, this train wreck.
- [70:47]
A
I mostly think it was producers wanting her to say, which I understand, but I also feel like they had this, like, big moment with the HUD and Jeremiah and, like, knowing when it's over and, like, now let's move on to the next thing. Like, Jeremiah was gonna go find love and talk to Andrew, and instead they, like, I. I think that they didn't know how to close the book well enough, and then they closed it. And it's actually the inverse where it's like she stays and he goes. He went on Bio Files is making like a lot of news. I think he's coming off really well, actually. Like talking about like his experience there and how what you saw was really what happened and that he's just like a very like level headed person, it seems like, and it's not. And which I, I don't. I didn't think that he was really doing anything so bad. I think he was just like caught up in a bad situation.
- [71:32]
B
Me neither. And people were like throwing around. I mean it was mostly Huda, but I've seen other people say like he was love bombing her. And, and first of all, it's such an overused term in my opinion. I do think it's possible that maybe he was doing something like that in the beginning and I've honestly just forgotten it because it was totally overshadowed by like everything that happened after that. But like, can we stop saying people are love bombing when they're just like being affectionate towards someone? On Love Island.
- [71:54]
A
No, literally on Love Island. And also I feel like then you start to categorize, like, then you start to overuse it. So everything that's like affectionate or overly affectionate is love bombing. And like, no, affection and overt affection are good things. So now they're like getting dumped into this like bucket of bad, bad thing.
- [72:11]
B
Right. And I do think there probably are people in the world who love bomb.
- [72:14]
A
Yeah.
- [72:15]
B
And then it's like, well, the term, it's the same with gaslight. It's like there are people who actually gaslight people. And I even hate saying that word now because I'm like, I really mean it. Not, not the way everybody, even people.
- [72:24]
A
Who like moderately gaslight, it's not a total gaslighting, it's a negative thing. So like you're making it more negative than it is. But like, like it's not good. But like love is a good thing. So like, so you, you want to do less of that. Like, it's just there is clear love bombing. I think being excited about someone and being all in on one person when you first meet them is a good thing most of the time.
- [72:48]
B
Me too.
- [72:50]
A
So we'll see what happens next. What's starting to frustrate me about the show is it feels like there are like an hour 15 minute episodes and like the first 45 minutes there are the islanders, like vulgaring around the villa.
- [73:01]
B
What word is that?
- [73:01]
A
It's like Yiddish. Like for like just. No, like, like slaying. Like, like Yiddish doesn't ever change. Let me try.
- [73:11]
B
That's one I haven't heard.
- [73:12]
A
So I have to know Vulgar Yiddish definition.
- [73:18]
B
Like, when you, like, lazing around, just sitting around.
- [73:21]
A
Yeah. Like, you could be standing, too. Oh, no, they think I'm saying vulgar.
- [73:28]
B
Oh. That's the other thing about Yiddish is it's sometimes hard to look up the word.
- [73:30]
A
It's so hard.
- [73:31]
B
It's. It's been passed down through your family. And everybody, like, says something different now.
- [73:35]
A
No. And also, Yiddish is, like, predates. Like, there's no real, like, written history.
- [73:41]
B
Right.
- [73:42]
A
For. Then there's no, like, textbook of. There might be some, but, like, it's definitely not, like, digitized. It's. It can only be, like, orally passed down. Like, I can't. Google can't tell me what vulgar means better than I could try and tell you. But it just means, like, you know, know, fucking around a little bit. Little bit of, like, fucking around the villa. So they're vulgaring, and it's very boring. They're obviously bored. They just. And then they only perk up when they get a text. But it could also mean, like, that somebody's leaving somebody's.
- [74:09]
B
Why don't they use the pool? Have you noticed that in seasons past, they're definitely in the pool.
- [74:14]
A
I feel like it has to do with Mike's and with, like, them not wanting to, like, be, like, wet.
- [74:21]
B
I'm also surprised that the girls are still wearing heels.
- [74:24]
A
No. That's so weird to me.
- [74:25]
B
I understand doing it in the beginning. It's part of the shtick. And you want to look like your absolute best. I can never do that, like, the bikini and the heels, but I still do it.
- [74:32]
A
I like wearing a bikini and heels. Like, you don't look your best. Like, you look silly in a bikini and heels.
- [74:37]
B
Yeah, it is silly.
- [74:39]
A
Yeah. It's so crazy to me, the commitment to the heels.
- [74:42]
B
Yeah. Especially because, like, they're also on camera without makeup and, like, in their, you know, in their, like, bedtime wear. So I don't understand, like, that part of the commitment. And I actually do think the women who ultimately, like, take the heels off and just, like, let their hair down a little bit are the most successful ones because they're having a good time. The audience can tell they're having a good time. It's like the. The commitment to always needing to be, like, hot 100% of the time. You want to strike the balance of.
- [75:05]
A
Being walk in, like, in a bikini and heels. But, like, we're vulgaring on the Pool all day. Like, it's not going to be bikini and heels.
- [75:11]
B
Right.
- [75:12]
A
So then the first, like, three quarters of the episode are really, like, boring. Everyone having boring conversations, I think songs over a chat. Like, seriously, like, they're falling asleep. Sleep. I'm falling asleep. And then it's like, boom, text. And it's, like, just blowing up the villa. And now they drag out the ceremony of whatever it is, and then we end up with two random, unnecessary people going home. That's literally every episode now. It's not fun to watch.
- [75:33]
B
I also saw.
- [75:34]
A
I'm not having fun. Right.
- [75:35]
B
There hasn't been a single recoupling where the women.
- [75:38]
A
That's what I. Oh. Where. There hasn't been a single normal recoupling since Bella left. And there hasn't been a single recoupling where the women choose from a man at the fire pit.
- [75:46]
B
Not one. So I don't know what they're. They're doing, but they're doing something.
- [75:51]
A
No, they're. I'm. I'm really not happy about it. Like, I'm not having fun. But I. I do see this as, like, part of my job, and I'm crushing it, you know, like, crushing work.
- [76:01]
B
And there's not a lot. We were just talking. There's not a lot of celebrity stories this time of year because every publicist goes on vacation.
- [76:06]
A
Yeah. I was saying, because Liz can attest this. I was talking to Claudia on Patreon. She's like, I feel like I've missed so much in stories. I'm like, actually, no, you've missed a lot of TV recap. But as far as, like, like, celeb news, there's not been, like, amazing news. And you had. You just said that of your own accord right now when we were picking stories. Like, the stories are, like, this month even on. For your own Instagram. Like, it's not been popping.
- [76:25]
B
Yeah. Love island has taken up, like, most of my content. And it's. It's fun because even when the show is, like, kind of dreadful to watch, like, going on Twitter and seeing all of the edits and, like, everything that everyone's people are. So as much as I, like, rail on the Internet for being so stupid, sometimes they also can be so clever and smart. And it's like, that's the good part of the Internet I like to harness.
- [76:42]
A
Do you see, like, all these PSAs from Love island about, like, not hating on people on the Internet?
- [76:47]
B
I think there's a kind of a couple theories about where that comes from. You could say it comes from, like, the goodness of their heart. I don't think so. It's like a liability thing. They have to say it or else, who knows?
- [76:55]
A
Are things getting really nasty? I've not seen, like, I've seen people being like, snarky and. But then, you know, I saw Ariana do like a psa. No. Doxing. No this. And I haven't seen like. But why would I see stuff like that? I'm not like, deep in it. But is that happening?
- [77:08]
B
Well, I didn't know that a specific corner of the Internet, that's a lot of Jews. So a lot of Jews think that Elan is getting a lot of hate, which he is, from my perspective. But, like, is that. Has that broadened enough for like, the Love island producers to see that? I'm not sure.
- [77:23]
A
Oh, you thought it's in defensive, Elon. I kind of just assumed it was in defense of Huda, like, everyone's just like, saying stuff about her, but that kind of ended, like, it's over. Like, the time for that is over.
- [77:32]
B
Also though, like, Love island does have. Have a sordid history with mental health online bullying, because didn't the original host of. Of Love Island UK was. She committed suicide and like, I think a lot of it was, like, she got so much hate. And I think there was actually another contestant maybe on Love Island UK who.
- [77:52]
A
Who.
- [77:52]
B
I don't know what happened, but it's, it's. It's come up before where even when they do those challenges where they read the mean tweets, I think they've had to scale that back because it's like, like, as much as, like, we love watching it as the audience, because these people don't know what we're saying. Like, Huda not knowing what we're saying is so frustrating, but I could see why, like, reading those is legitimately devastating.
- [78:11]
A
Yeah. It seems like they don't care much about the islanders mental health while they're in the villa. They're worried about what they're going to see when they go on social media. And I just want to let you know, like, you're seriously running like a psychological experiment in there and, like, you guys could dial it down. How about that?
- [78:22]
B
Yeah.
- [78:22]
A
How about stop sending home, like, everyone's best friends and loves of their lives.
- [78:26]
B
Yeah.
- [78:27]
A
On a moment's notice, when they think they're doing the thing that they signed up to do.
- [78:30]
B
Right. Punishing people for doing what the show is for. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.
- [78:34]
A
Like, you made them all cry. Like, I Didn't do that.
- [78:37]
B
The stuff about Eland, like, I want to talk about it because he is Jewish. Like, there's been no sign that he was in the idf, which, by the way, like, if he was born in Israel and an Israeli citizen, like, you're in the IDF because it's a compulsory army, so people who use that as, like, I can't. But he literally wasn't. Like, he's a Jew from Toronto and he has a. A Hebrew name, but. And he went to Israel, like, once based on his Instagram. And so everyone was like, well, he was in the idf. Like, so it's crazy. And that's part of it.
- [79:05]
A
Like, it. No, that is really crazy. Everyone, when they talk about Elon, they're like, the Zionist and the idf. And it's like, he wasn't even in the idf. And as. Even if he was, that's. I mean, you guys aren't ready for that conversation. But so he wasn't. So he's just a Jew and you hate him.
- [79:18]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [79:19]
A
So look in the mirror.
- [79:20]
B
Yeah. Look inward.
- [79:21]
A
And he's my favorite. And not even just because he's. I don't even know. Like, I don't want to see too much about the people. I don't look at their Instagrams, really. I'm like, honestly, I don't want to see, like, what you were doing and, like, what you were trying to be before. I don't want.
- [79:32]
B
Or who you handed your Instagram over to when you came on.
- [79:34]
A
Oh, that's the worst. The people who have people running their Instagram and they're like, everyone. Vote for, like, stop it.
- [79:39]
B
It's weird. Although I didn't love that he, like, immediately started talking about Libras. Like, that's just like a. A kind of conversation I don't personally relate to, but he's a sweetheart. I don't have anything bad.
- [79:48]
A
And him and Sierra were relating. I don't need to know everyone's horoscope in the villa. That's another one. Along with friends, fruit, and what do you. What's important to you? Like, keep these. Like, we have to have these conversations every time someone new comes in. Like, right now, the idea of a new bombshell coming into the villa, like, is so dreadful to me.
- [80:04]
B
Yeah.
- [80:04]
A
Like, to go through all this again.
- [80:06]
B
The bombshells also who come in after casa. I always feel like fail. I don't know even know why. They just do it to shake things up. But I think it's sort of. They shouldn't.
- [80:14]
A
Yeah. But now it's like, this is just a show of new people coming in every day. There's nothing. There's no cup. There is not one couple. Especially with Nick gone for now, Alandria gone for now. Then the only couple left would be, like, Ace and Shelly. Ish. He seems into Coco, and I don't know what would happen there, but maybe he's just doing it for their big storyline, you know, to show how they overcame temptation to be together.
- [80:37]
B
I'm kind of, like, holding out space for Iris. I really like her.
- [80:42]
A
I like her, too.
- [80:43]
B
I liked her in tj. Although, like, I don't. I'm not. I don't know how I feel.
- [80:46]
A
I just, like, liked that she was being saved by some like. That someone liked her.
- [80:49]
B
Yeah. Yeah. And she just seems pretty normal to me.
- [80:51]
A
Yeah.
- [80:51]
B
And that she, like, is in it, you know, possibly to, like, grow her following, but also she just, like, seems to carry on a conversation well, and she just seems like a girly. So I like her.
- [80:58]
A
I like her, too. I'm rooting for her.
- [81:01]
B
Yeah. She's with. Who's the guy that she's with now?
- [81:03]
A
And probably a Zach.
- [81:05]
B
Probably you'd be.
- [81:06]
A
I think so, because we did like Chris, jb Elon. So then it's like Zach. Zack.
- [81:10]
B
Zack K. Zach. Zach C. Which I like that they say that because it's not like Zack Cohen. It's like Zack. Zack with a C. Spells it with.
- [81:16]
A
A K. Zach with a C. Zach with a kid.
- [81:18]
B
Yeah. And I actually like Zach with a K. He's the one with all the tattoos. Did you see the video? I posted a video of, like, he was on some. Some show and he was, like, mugging. Like, he was one of those models who would, like, talk, and then when he was finished talking, he'd be like, so, yeah, I like him. And I actually liked that he was, like, apologetic when he.
- [81:34]
A
He didn't need to.
- [81:34]
B
He didn't need to.
- [81:35]
A
And I thought, like, I mean, Alandria had a lot. It was very emotional in the moment, but you were, like, lashing out at him for a second, being like, I don't want to talk to you. Like, he didn't do anything wrong.
- [81:44]
B
He didn't do anything wrong. But he just seemed. I was surprised by how. How, like you said, kind of wholesome those boys were.
- [81:49]
A
Yeah. No, and they seem like catches. Like a lot of them are professional athletes or former professional athletes.
- [81:53]
B
Right.
- [81:53]
A
Working men and handsome and tall. Yeah, I love to see it.
- [81:57]
B
Yeah, me too.
- [81:59]
A
So that's your love island recap for today. We'll be back tomorrow discussing tonight's episode and we'll see what the they've got planned for us tonight. Lizard P Where can everyone follow you and keep up with all things Sliz?
- [82:11]
B
It's at Lizp woods on Instagram. That's like my only place. That's where I put everything. And I am so excited to get to do this again tomorrow. Like, I'm thrilled.
- [82:18]
A
So, like, if this was anything that you wanted to say that you forgot or if people, like, wanted questions for you that I didn't ask, like, we get to do it tomorrow and run it back for our final day of Jackson Friends and tomorrow. I'm filming an interview today with someone right after this and it will be in tomorrow's episode. And I don't think you guys are ready for it because, like, we're not ready for it.
- [82:35]
B
No. But I'm really excited.
- [82:36]
A
We're gonna get ready. I love you dearly. We'll see you on the next one. Love ya By.