Weenie of the Roundtable: Friday, February 20th, 2026

Summary

The Toast | "Weenie of the Roundtable" | February 20, 2026

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry ("Jax")
Main Theme: End-of-week pop culture breakdown, reality TV recaps, and the signature "Queenie and Weenie of the Week" awards

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Episode Overview

This Friday episode of The Toast serves up an energetic kickoff to the weekend with Jackie and Jax diving into a blend of personal milestones, lighthearted banter, and commentary on the hottest reality TV and pop culture happenings. Major segments include heartfelt reflections on motherhood, an extended TV recap ("Traders" and "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" dominate), playful nostalgia for YA adaptations, and their end-of-week Queenie and Weenie awards.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Friday Vibes & Personal Updates

• Opening Riff: The episode bursts with a fun, musical intro and Florida summer vibes.

• Jackie discusses her daughter Ruby turning nine months, sparking a candid and emotional reflection on motherhood.

  • Quote [02:29, Jackie]: “Nine months in, nine months out...I just wanted to use this moment as a marker, you know, the selfless queen that I am for others. If you find yourself pregnant right now and like freaking or wondering like, should I. Is this life for me? Let me tell you, it's for you...it's the best, most amazing thing ever.”

• Jax notes her milestone of being a mom for four years, leading to mutual appreciation.

  • Quote [05:05, Jax]: “It's also just like four years of me being a mom. Not only having a four year old, but...shout out to me.”

2. Pop Culture & TV Banter

• Mahjong Gameplay: The duo humorously reflects on their intense mahjong night, snacking habits, and post-breastfeeding brain power [05:45–06:48].
• Episode Titles: The hosts reminisce about past episode names and their penchant for absurd but memorable show titles.
  • Quote [07:24, Jackie]: “Okay, title today. Couch Potatoes Deserve Love Too, Part Two...Kevin Federline. I'm sorry there are not two more funnier charitable individuals.”

3. Businessman of the Week

• Kevin Federline gets a tongue-in-cheek nod as "Businessman of the Week" for living "the couch potato dream" [08:12–08:28].
• Axel Dumas, CEO of Hermès, replaces him as Businessman of the Week after deftly navigating Jeffrey Epstein's unwanted advances.
  • Quote [09:02, Jackie]: “He's like one of the very few people who was named several, several times in the Epstein files and is coming out looking like a hero...he just said no.”

4. Headlines & Reality Check

[16:56] ERIC DANE'S PASSING

• The hosts reflect on Eric Dane's death from ALS and his career, with nostalgia for his roles in Grey’s Anatomy, Euphoria, and Burlesque.
  • Quote [18:14, Jax]: “Teaching us about air rights. Okay, raise your hand if you only know what air rights are because of the movie burlesque…”

[22:42] JACOB ELORDI AS JAMES BOND?

• Extended debate about the endless speculation over James Bond casting.
  • Quote [25:41, Jax]: “Like, yeah, I would support Miles Teller as Bond.”
• Discussion of the "YA Netflix movie era" and the diverging paths of Jacob Elordi and Noah Centineo.
  • Quote [27:11, Jax]: “And the Kissing Booth started this insane genre on Netflix...”

[30:18] EMILY HENRY'S "BEACH READ" MOVIE

• Light roast of the endless Emily Henry adaptations and the politics of YA book-to-movie deals.
  • Quote [33:12, Jackie]: “That's fine. Can we just choose some other authors? Like there's so many good books out there...It's always Emily Henry.”

[33:44] CHELSEA HANDLER HULU SERIES

• Announcement of Chelsea Handler developing a Hulu series about a washed-up reality star, compared (with some disagreement) to Sonja Morgan’s life.
• Comparison to “The Other Two” and discussions of workplace toxicity in the TV industry.

[41:19] NEW "AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL" DOC

• Enthusiastic look at the new Netflix doc "Reality Check Inside America’s Next Top Model," with reflections on the show's cultural impact and "chaos."
  • Quote [42:05, Jackie]: “It was camp. It was drama. It was psychological warfare disguised as reality tv.”

[48:01] "TRAITORS" RECAP

• Deep-dive on current cast dynamics, speculation about endgame strategies, and frustration over passive gameplay (“weenies”—especially Tara and Maura).
  • Quote [53:23, Jackie]: “Really, the Round Table...it’s seriously a sociological experiment to see all these people...have actual concerns, legitimate concerns about Rob, not voice them...”

[60:00] "REAL HOUSEWIVES OF BEVERLY HILLS" RECAP

• The episode turns dramatic as Denise Richards and Erika Jayne share vulnerable stories, with support from Sutton and reflection on group dynamics.
  • Quote [61:09, Jax]: “No, that was frightening. And then out of left field, Erica says, it happened to me.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:29, Jackie—on motherhood]: “If you're worried, you should only be worried that your life has sucked so much until this point...It's the best, most amazing thing ever. Your life, like, begins now.”
• [09:02, Jackie—on Axel Dumas]: “He was at like a play or something...he just knew that he was a bad guy and just said no [to Epstein].”
• [18:14, Jax—on Burlesque and air rights]: “Teaching us about air rights. Okay, raise your hand if you only know what air rights are because of Burlesque…”
• [42:05, Jackie—on ANTM]: “It was camp. It was drama. It was psychological warfare disguised as reality tv.”
• [53:23, Jackie—on the nature of Traitors]: “It’s so just silly and funny how humans, like, are easily manipulated by people.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:01] Weekend plans & Florida energy
• [02:29] “Nine months in, nine months out”—Jackie’s motherhood reflection
• [05:11] Jax on four years of motherhood
• [08:28] Kevin Federline as “Businessman of the Week”
• [09:00] Axel Dumas (Hermès CEO) and the Epstein files story
• [16:56] Breaking news: Eric Dane passes away
• [22:42] Jacob Elordi offered James Bond role; Bond casting fatigue
• [27:11] The YA Netflix movie boom
• [30:18] Emily Henry’s "Beach Read" adaptation
• [33:44] Chelsea Handler’s Hulu series on reality washouts
• [41:19] New “America’s Next Top Model” documentary and nostalgia
• [48:01] "Traitors" TV recap: endgame, personalities, pitfalls
• [60:00] "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" recap: Denise & Erika’s stories
• [69:23] Queenie and Weenie of the Week segment

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Queenie & Weenie of the Week Awards

• Queenie of the Week:
  • Jax: “The man, the myth, the legend, Paul Salem.”
    (For providing joy through his segment and being the first 'joint' businessman and Queenie winner)
• Weenie of the Week:
  • Jackie: Lucy from Tell Me Lies for her weak choices (“her getting back in the car...only to do it all again at Bri and Wrigley's wedding” [71:07]).
  • Jax: Wrigley's wig in Tell Me Lies, and whoever put it on his head (“Major plot hole...show ruining” [71:16]).

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Tone & Style

The episode is lively, irreverent, confessional, and steeped in internet-pop-culture humor. The hosts freely mix heartfelt advice (on motherhood), sharp pop culture commentary, and plenty of inside jokes, making the episode feel like a spirited group chat between best friends.

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Summary

"Weenie of the Roundtable" is a classic Toast Friday: a rollercoaster through personal milestones, pop culture absurdities, and reality TV dissection—topped with their Queenie/Weenie crownings. Jackie and Claudia juggle warmth, snark, and nostalgia, creating a space where listeners can keep up with “the five stories” that matter (according to The Toast), laugh at the pop-culture landscape, and maybe find comfort in the chaos of both TV and everyday life.

Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[Jax]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Jackie]

It's your favorite show.

[Jax]

The best five things you need to know.

[Jackie]

We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jax]

They sound amazing.

[Jackie]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy. Oh, that's right for Friday.

[Jax]

What time is it?

[Jackie]

Friday, it's a vacation.

[Jax]

What time is it?

[Jackie]

Time of our lives. Scoot. Scream, chop. They didn't have to go so hard with that song. Welcome back to the Terse.

[Jax]

Every Friday feels like the beginning of summer. Especially when beautiful. Especially when you're living in Florida. Like, cuz we have like little. A little summer break this weekend that's unbelievably beautiful. We're going to go to the beach, the pool, dip, dock, dodge, dive and dive. I meant to like say like dive, but we're also gonna dip, duck, dodge, dive and dive.

[Jackie]

Now usually we sort of like ease into the weekend, but I feel like we have a lot to do today. On the episode front, we do real houses in Beverly Hills. Did you watch of Curse Traitors?

[Jax]

Oh, no, I forgot. Kidding.

[Jackie]

You got me. You watch. We got another throwaway vote. Oh my God. Last night's episode was actually like an exercise in how to be a loser. Like, it was insane.

[Jax]

We were so close.

[Jackie]

Oh my God, we were so close.

[Jax]

We were so to like, vindication and like everything that you know, we are with the worst candidate, like players left and admittedly so they'll all say they're the worst, even though they all say Natalie is so smart or whatever.

[Jackie]

Right? Stop. Natalie's speech, like, made me cry.

[Jax]

They're disgusting.

[Jackie]

I fucking hate these people. Let's save all the spoilers for the TV recap. Along with Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, we also have Queenie and Weenie. And then we also just have like two fabulous gals being fabulous.

[Jax]

Talking about pop culture.

[Jackie]

Yes. That is what we do for a living.

[Jax]

Talking about themselves.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Today's kind of a big day. I mean, it is, what, the 20th, right?

[Jax]

Yes.

[Jackie]

So I wanted to have this, you know, little speech on the 21st. But it's a Saturday.

[Jax]

Ruby's turning nine months on the 21st.

[Jackie]

Nine months in, nine months out. Even though it's like 10 months. I will be making a speech regardless. Oh, wow. Where has the time gone?

[Jax]

I think of that. Harry just turned four and I was like, it's Harry's.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry. Nine months is bigger than four. Like, do you agree nine months is like, it's Basically the same as a year.

[Jax]

Yes. And all. Yes. I'm not here to continue, so.

[Jackie]

Oh my God, I'm literally going to try not to cry. I was like crying last night. Nine months in, nine months out. I just wanted to use this moment as a marker, you know, the selfless queen that I am for others. If you find yourself pregnant right now and like freaking or wondering like, should I. Is this life for me? Let me tell you, it's for you. And if you're worried, you should only be worried that your life has sucked so much until this point. Okay? Like, oh my God. It's the most amazing thing. Like, yes, life is different, of course. Are we out shaking our titties on yachts? No. It so doesn't matter, you guys. Like, it's the best, most amazing thing ever. Your life, like, begins now. And of course, if this life is not for you, your life is great too. You know, I'm not. I feel like the childless people and then the child full people, like, are always combating with one are like, I don't give a. That's not what I'm talking about. This is a statement.

[Jax]

You're not here to knock anyone. You're just here to uplift people who might be on the fence on Tik Tok.

[Jackie]

Like, child free women and child full women are always battling one another. And I'm like, girl, they always think the other's talking about them. Yeah, I'm not talking about you and you're not talking about me. Like, we're good. So sorry. Anyway, she had to, like, you're talking

[Jax]

to people who are on the fence and also people who are nervous who like, expect that one day they're gonna have kids. But you're always just like, am I ready? I don't feel ready.

[Jackie]

Of course. Like, I loved my life so much. That was like a very hard decision for me. I always knew I wanted to have kids.

[Jax]

Everyone has been watching you on the show for seven years. You've been married the entire time that you were on the toast. And like, you just didn't feel ready.

[Jackie]

I didn't feel ready. And I was like, kind of like really gonna miss my life. Like, I had this amazing life. Like, I got to do whatever wanted. Like, you know, I had a lot of disposable income that I could just do whatever I wanted with. Like, there was no one to tell me no. And while that was amazing, of course, and can't wait to get back there one day. This 32.0 is. It's just the best thing in the whole world. So if, and maybe someone out there needed to hear that.

[Jax]

So I just wanted to say just a little encouragement.

[Jackie]

Nine months in, nine months out.

[Jax]

Are you going to post like a nine months?

[Jackie]

No, cuz like I don't have any

[Jax]

pictures from nine months in.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

And from nine months out.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like no.

[Jax]

Well, you could do like something from the toast. Like a clip of you on the toast. Nine months in. That's the thing. It's like sometimes I feel like I don't like capturing.

[Jackie]

It's like an edit for me.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Taylor Swift song or something.

[Jax]

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I feel like I don't capture enough content. I'm like I actually capture content like hours long every single week.

[Jackie]

Well. Oh that of course. But I thought you were talking about like the struggle of being people who don't share their kids on Instagram.

[Jax]

Oh, that's a different struggle. But no, I'm like actually what do you mean? I just made an hour long video. We have clips.

[Jackie]

I know, I know.

[Jax]

We are two of the funniest people and I know us offline when I

[Jackie]

tell you there are two more caring, charitable, generous people.

[Jax]

Yeah. Mazel tov to you.

[Jackie]

Thank you so much. And mazel tov to you as well.

[Jax]

Thank you for is a big deal. It's also just like four years of me being a mom. Not only having a four year old, but I've been like, I've been doing

[Jackie]

it to center yourself on your kids milestones. Because it's also about you.

[Jax]

Well, no, but like only just for Harry. Like when Charlie has a birthday. Like I was still. It's not like I, I was a mom for three. I guess then I'll have been a mom of two for three years. But I've been doing it four years and shout out to me.

[Jackie]

Shout out to us.

[Jax]

What's that speech? Shout out to me. I want to thank me.

[Jackie]

Yeah, do it.

[Jax]

Someone will know the reference. It evades me.

[Jackie]

What else? I watched so much TV last night.

[Jax]

Yeah, I was doing my homework last night. We played Maj yesterday.

[Jackie]

I did play Maj yesterday.

[Jax]

I didn't know if you wanted to

[Jackie]

talk talk about it because I didn't win and Jackie won so many times.

[Jax]

I. I just like slayed Maj. Maybe my brain is coming back. Maybe that's what's happening. Probably not. I think I just had a good day.

[Jackie]

Listen, some days you have it and

[Jax]

some days you don't. Yeah. I'm like so excited to Maj with my wits about me. Like I can't even tell you I'm not scared. And when I'm not, like, sweating the

[Jackie]

whole time, like, okay, but just, you know, I wasn't breastfeeding. I was sweating the whole time yesterday, too.

[Jax]

Masha's sweaty game.

[Jackie]

It's a lot of brain activity, and I think that burns calories.

[Jax]

Yeah. And stress, and it's a lot. Your body's working overtime.

[Jackie]

Except, like, the maj. Snacking needs to stop. Like, it's insane how much we snack.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, I sat down with a bowl of Non Perez. Like, that's fucking crazy.

[Jax]

Yeah. For me, like, that's my sweet treat, and I'm unlimited in what I can take down. But when I am, like, the good thing about when I mash after I'm done breastfeeding is I'll have my wits, but I won't be snacking. Like, I won't have that. I'll be hitting the fruit, you know, maybe a couple celery sticks.

[Jackie]

You know, I hate to be that girl, but, like, we have so much to do today.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Stories.

[Jax]

The stories are not groundbreaking, but interesting.

[Jackie]

Not groundbreaking. Okay.

[Jax]

You know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Like, they are just interesting little bits and bobs of what the peeps are up to. Speaking of a conversation, that would be a great title. Do you think people would want to listen to that episode? It's a little interesting little bits and bobs of what the peeps are up to.

[Jackie]

How about just bits and bobs?

[Jax]

Is that clickbaity enough? Oh, my God. We saw something yesterday. It was, like, one of our titles from. I don't even know when someone, like, wrote it out.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Couch Potatoes Deserve Love Too.

[Jackie]

Okay, title today. Couch Potatoes Deserve Love Too, Part two. And I think I know what we were referring to. Kevin Federline. I'm sorry there are not two more funnier charitable individuals.

[Jax]

When I saw that, I was like, we titled something that. That's hysterical stuff.

[Jackie]

Our titles are insane.

[Jax]

Yeah. We just. We get very. Not to. Not to zoom out.

[Jackie]

Yeah, let's zoom. It's a Friday.

[Jax]

It's just, like, when we do this show, like, we just get very in the weeds with it. And it's funny to see it at a glance sometimes.

[Jackie]

But I'm glad we chose that title because, like, it was clearly such an impactful conversation. I knew what we were talking about even today.

[Jax]

It really summed up, and I think it was about his memoirs. Yeah.

[Jackie]

He gets a really bad rap, like, at the end of the day. Yes. He's a couch potato who, like, you know, just Lives off of Britney's child support. But he did raise those kids.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Just as a couch potato.

[Jax]

Memoirs of a Fetter line.

[Jackie]

He's kind of an inspiration to me.

[Jax]

That's goals for you to be a,

[Jackie]

like, successful parent who's also a full

[Jax]

time couch potato and who's getting money.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Passive income, but like, wherever it's coming from.

[Jackie]

I love that.

[Jax]

Goals.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

For women everywhere.

[Jackie]

Kevin Federlot, inspiration Businessman of the Week.

[Jax]

Oh, my God. Next week we're gonna have to anoint another business.

[Jackie]

No, what we had said was that let's not like hold ourselves to having to have a businessman every week because then the segment will become like, annoying and monotonous. When a businessman impresses us, like, he will replace his fellow. I have a businessman of the week. I actually do. Who? Okay.

[Jax]

Do you not.

[Jackie]

I forgot his name.

[Jax]

Oh, so he's definitely businessman of the Week. I wonder who it is.

[Jackie]

It's Axel Dumas.

[Jax]

Who the hell is that?

[Jackie]

Okay, you're gonna love this. He's the CEO of Hermes.

[Jax]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Which of course.

[Jax]

Oh yeah, that's a great way to become.

[Jackie]

But he's like one of the very few people who was named several, several times in the Epstein files and is coming out looking like a hero. Epstein, like, for like a. A couple years long period, became obsessed with meeting him. He was at like a. A play or something. And he very quickly met him. And then he starts emailing everyone he knows. Woody and Soon Yi, Lex of course, being like, I need to meet with Axel Dumas. So there are a million emails of his. Him emailing his assistant, telling his assistant what to say to Axel's assistant. They get Axel's assistance information from Woody and Suni, the assistant, it's like clearly like so meticulously written, keeps avoiding him, like, does not want to be seen with him, does not agree to meet with him like multiple times over. Years long, like literally from like 2010 to 2014. He recently gave an interview saying he believes that Epstein was targeting him for something and he just, he knew that he was a bad guy and just said no.

[Jax]

Oh, wow. Did you see? The same is true for Joe Rogan. No, Joe Rogan is in his name came up because Epstein wanted to meet him. And one of the guests that Joe had on his show was trying to broker, was trying, like, was gonna make the intro and Joe was like, I don't want to meet him. He's like, I googled him and I was like, yucky. Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's so crazy how there's like, so few people who did it. Axel Dumont, CEO of Hermes. Now I feel good spending all that money.

[Jax]

Oh, let's go get Birkins. If only they would let us, you

[Jackie]

know, or perhaps the businessman of the week could send us to.

[Jax]

I'm looking. I think I'm ready for a mini Kelly. You know, I think I'm ready for like, a.

[Jackie]

Seriously, I'm not.

[Jax]

Axel, if you. No, no. But, like, if you're like, what would these girls like? I don't. I've just been introduced to them. I don't know them.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I actually. I haven't been a Kelly. I would like a Kelly. Like 25.

[Jax]

Oh, yeah, we should say you do. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay. Color. I'm open for sure. I'm thinking gold hardware.

[Jax]

You're so annoying.

[Jackie]

Yeah, let's get a printed picture of Axel Dumas, and we'll keep him in the frame until he sends us Perkins.

[Jax]

Okay, you guys. Without further do, here are the past five stories that you to do. Need to know.

[Jackie]

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[Jax]

Our first story is some sad news. Very, very sad news. Eric Dane, star of Grey's Anatomy and euphoria, has died at the age of 53, nearly one year after announcing his ALS diagnosis.

[Jackie]

This is so sad.

[Jax]

So sad. Eric. Dana came McStee me.

[Jackie]

We. I don't know him from that. What do you know him from? I know him from euphoria, but he's like.

[Jax]

He definitely has other smaller Was like

[Jackie]

a much later, like, thing for him.

[Jax]

He was such a familiar face. Let's do our.

[Jackie]

He was in, like, a walk to remember or something.

[Jax]

Let's do our favorite activity, IMDb and honor his body of work, shall we? I love that Marley and me.

[Jackie]

Oh, so good.

[Jax]

So Valentine's Day. Everyone was in that, though.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's, like, kind of embarrassing if you weren't. Yeah.

[Jax]

What else? I don't know these movies, but I'm so familiar with him.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he's just one, I guess. Like, it's really Grey's Anatomy.

[Jax]

I'm sorry. We're disgusting. Burlesque.

[Jackie]

Oh, of course. Marshall. His name is Marshall. Right?

[Jax]

X p r e s s. Such a good movie made. Left such an indelible mark.

[Jackie]

Made better by Eric Dane's performances like

[Jax]

the chilling developer and teaching us about air rights.

[Jackie]

Okay, raise your hand if you only know what air rights are because of the movie burlesque and Eric Dane's body of work. Me Q racked and I was, like, literally talking about air rights the other day.

[Jax]

They're very important.

[Jackie]

No, Especially in the city when, like, you buy apartments or, like, you rent apartments for views. Well, it's like, what are the air rights? Could like a big tower go right in front of my apartment?

[Jax]

I feel like you can't get air rights in New York City. It's like they're pre established because everyone's just building everywhere.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

But look out for air rights. Thank you, Eric Dane. Also euphoria. Grey's Anatomy, I think, is the biggest one. I think at one point in my life I watched Grey's Anatomy because I'm like, I know McSteemy. I'm a dreamy. I feel like I gave it a shot. You don't ever feel like that?

[Jackie]

No, I know for a fact and like, it's something I'm kind of proud of is like I've never seen one minute of that show. Not even a clip? Like, nothing. Nothing.

[Jax]

Oh, I get a lot of clips now.

[Jackie]

Oh, sorry. I've seen a clip.

[Jax]

Do you get those clips? Like, I get a lot of, like, medical show clips where someone comes in, like, for a diagnosis. It's like a four minute clip and I have to watch the whole thing.

[Jackie]

Yeah, of course. It's. Oh, I didn't realize that trend finally made its way to real.

[Jax]

Oh, no, no. It's been happening for a while and I was losing a lot of time watching, like, movies quickly on Instagram.

[Jackie]

That's why I started watching Young Sheldon, because I was getting full episodes in like three separate clips and I was like, you know what? The show looks kind of good.

[Jax]

Interesting.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it like inspires. And I'm sorry, I have seen a clip from Grey's Anatomy. There's like a famous episode where they like, weirdly decide to make it a musical. You know, they've done so many episodes, you just like, have to keep doing stuff. And Che. Sarah Ramirez. Che from. And just like that, someone's like dying in the hospital and she starts singing to them. All of these lines across my face, like, don't ask me why. I know that. I've never seen the show. I don't know if she's like a regular or she's just made a cameo, but all those lines across her face, I love that.

[Jax]

And he was married to Rebecca Gayheart. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I don't know how that is.

[Jax]

You don't? Yes, you do.

[Jackie]

That's so sad. I saw a picture of his family, his two beautiful daughters, but I didn't recognize his wife.

[Jax]

You would know her. She's a famous actress and they are still married. She's in Jawbreaker.

[Jackie]

Oh, who does she play?

[Jax]

She plays One of them girls.

[Jackie]

I killed Liz. I killed the teen dream. Deal with it. She's on the left. She was like a sidekick.

[Jax]

She was like one of the girls three.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I killed Liz. I killed. That movie was so crazy.

[Jax]

Yeah, it was. And very good.

[Jackie]

So good.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

That was like, a genre of, like, film we watched when we were kids that we were, like, a little too young to. You watching? They were like, old school. Like, why were we watching so many times? Don't tell mom the babysitter's dead. Like, that was a movie from, like, 10 years before we were born. I'm right on top of that. Rose.

[Jax]

So good.

[Jackie]

So good. I killed Liz. I killed the teen dream. Deal with it. She was so crazy for that. Who played the main girl? The killer?

[Jax]

Rose. Yes, Rose.

[Jackie]

Rose. Me too. Rose. No, not Roseburn. What's her name?

[Jax]

I could look it up again. Hold on.

[Jackie]

Well, that's so crazy. That. That's her. She, like, she shaved her head.

[Jax]

Rose.

[Jackie]

Me going, yes, I killed Liz. I killed the teen dream. Deal with that.

[Jax]

Julie Greer is in it.

[Jackie]

Judy Greer. I love Julie, too.

[Jax]

That's her sister.

[Jackie]

What the. Isn't Judy Greer in? She's a queen. She's Lucy Greer now.

[Jax]

Oh, she's Lucy Wyman now.

[Jackie]

Like, seriously, so sad about Eric.

[Jax]

Yes, Very, very sad.

[Jackie]

ALS is so sad. It is.

[Jax]

And he came out with his diagnosis 10 months ago, so it's been 10 months since. I mean, we don't know how long

[Jackie]

he's been suffering the upcoming season of Euphoria.

[Jax]

So there's. They're filming it currently?

[Jackie]

No, it's. I think it's done because we saw a trailer.

[Jax]

I have no idea. That's. You're the Euphoria spokesperson. You covered the Euphoria Beat.

[Jackie]

I. I literally cover the Euphoria beat, yeah.

[Jax]

Like, you're our on the Ground Euphoria reporter.

[Jackie]

Okay. Is there a Dan and Euphoria season three?

[Jax]

It's only gonna be season three of the show that.

[Jackie]

Yes. He filmed a few episodes of the upcoming.

[Jax]

And whose dad does he play?

[Jackie]

Nate. He's, like, very toxic. Masculinity. Spoiler alight. He's also gay. Jacob Elordi, his dad. Oh.

[Jax]

Oh.

[Jackie]

So he's like, you gotta be good at sports and a lot of girls. And he's over here, like, you know, I see.

[Jax]

In the closet.

[Jackie]

Yeah, of course. But, like, they found out at the end.

[Jax]

Oh, okay. But he's not, like, living his life as a gay. Like, I haven't watched the show. So you're Saying to me, like, he's gay.

[Jackie]

No, no. He has, like, a wife and a family at home, and he just, like, you know, cruises at night.

[Jax]

Got it. Okay.

[Jackie]

With some of, like, the local teens.

[Jax]

Got it.

[Jackie]

Very inappropriate.

[Jax]

That is inappropriate. Well, speaking of Jacob Elordi, our next story is about Jacob Elordi because he's allegedly been offered the role of James Bond.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Jax]

In Dennis Villeneuve's Bond 26. So a big question in pop culture, like, who's the next Carrie Underwood? Who's the next James Bond? Why are we always talking about who's the next Carrie Underwood? Don't you feel like. Like, she's not dead?

[Jackie]

Always talking about who's the next Carrie Underwood?

[Jax]

She's not dead.

[Jackie]

When we talk about, like. Right. It's literally like Nashville, like, rising stars.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

We don't. I guess we sometimes say, like, who's the next Taylor Swift?

[Jax]

I guess. But, like, I feel like as a society, we all do that.

[Jackie]

No, it's just us.

[Jax]

Okay. I was just trying to, like. No, it's us.

[Jackie]

It's us. We're the.

[Jax]

But everyone else is always asking, who's the next James Bond?

[Jackie]

And they, like, never tell us. But I thought they chose Aaron.

[Jax]

Yeah, the guy with the.

[Jackie]

The old wife. They chose him. Yeah, but maybe there's like, a rival Bond.

[Jax]

Because you said it's like gear on 26. But yeah. As speculation continues over who will succeed Daniel Craig is 007. What about Aaron? Oh, several actors have been linked to the role, including Aller, Aaron, Taylor Johnson, Tom Holland. Oh, but I. That wasn't confirmed.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry, not to be mean, but, like, Tom Holland cannot be James Bond. Like you. I'm sorry. You can't be everything.

[Jax]

No, but they just, like, need other names to, like, fluff up the story.

[Jackie]

But they're doing Jeopardy.

[Jax]

They're doing Jeopardy.

[Jackie]

Now. We need to come up with, like, a verb that me. Like, what Jeopardy. Did with their host. Where, like, we were so excited to see, like, after Alex Trebek died, like, who would pass the torch. They waited so long. They tried so many people. It's low key. What Jenna and friends did, they did it too long. Now with Bond, where we all stopped caring like we would have. Like, there was a time when we cared so much who was hosting Jeopardy, who was replacing Hoda, who was going to be Bond. And now, like, so many rumors, so many stories, years and years, I actually don't care anymore. And I don't think whoever is going to be Bond next, it's like Bond is over.

[Jax]

I'm in shock that Aaron Taylor Johnson didn't come out. Right. And now it's like the Bond after Johnson.

[Jackie]

No, it's the Bond after Daniel Craig,

[Jax]

which is literally, and I'm sorry. So long ago.

[Jackie]

It's so long ago. And then making Bonds with Daniel Craig while he was like, seriously on life alert. Like, they just, they handled the whole thing poorly.

[Jax]

So what do you think about Jacob Elordi as the next James Bond?

[Jackie]

Well, they got me. I actually, like, an obvious choice. Like. Yeah.

[Jax]

Is he British?

[Jackie]

Yeah, Australian.

[Jax]

Okay, so he has an accent.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah, sorry. Americans can't do it. Even though Miles Teller's grandma said he could remember that.

[Jax]

Well, if he said. If she said it when people were

[Jackie]

talking about Miles Teller, maybe it's one of my favorite toast clips. We have to post it. It's like from five years ago when Miles Teller was like, his name was being thrown around. Back when, like, we were talking about Bond again, literally five years ago, people were talking about Miles Teller. And like, a lot of people were like, he can't. Like, he can't do it because he's American. And his grandma took to Twitter being like, well, you know, he could talk, like, British and it's like, well, yeah, he's an actor.

[Jax]

Like, yeah, I would support Miles Teller as Bond.

[Jackie]

One thing about me, I support Miles Teller, period.

[Jax]

Yeah. So Jacob Elordi.

[Jackie]

Sure.

[Jax]

I mean, we could be good for Olivia. I do feel like even though Jacob. They're not.

[Jackie]

No, I like, saw him. He was spotted with another girl twice. The same girl twice.

[Jax]

I feel like even though Jacob has, like a couple.

[Jackie]

Olivia moved to New York City.

[Jax]

Big projects under his belt. Like he's now Wuthering Heights. Frankenstein.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

I just feel like his role, like he's still up in the air.

[Jackie]

It's a little stifling. Like you. It's a full time thing. I'm sure Daniel Craig did other projects, but nothing impressive or remarkable. I saw him in a play that was so horrible.

[Jax]

He did Knives Out.

[Jackie]

That was after Bond.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

You know, I'm saying in between Bond. Oh, you are Bond. It's your whole thing. You don't do stuff outside.

[Jax]

I think anyone would, like, jump at the chance to just like, be Bond. That's all you're gonna.

[Jackie]

You don't, like, win Oscars or anything. So I feel like Jacob Lord is like, on the Oscar track.

[Jax]

Oh, fine.

[Jackie]

It's like very commercial. Terry, Tom Cruise.

[Jax]

I don't know. I'm like, worried about Jacob Lord. I just feel like, he doesn't have, like, staying power. I can't. I can't.

[Jackie]

Oh, you're worried about him.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Well, maybe you should see Wuthering Heights, because there's a lot of Oscar buzz. Like, saying, like, this is his. Like, oh, really?

[Jax]

I guess I haven't seen him in anything since the Kissing Booth, so maybe that's why I'm worried, like, what is he gonna do next?

[Jackie]

If he didn't get nominated for an Oscar from the Kissing Booth, he has no hope to ever. Because that was the greatest acting performance of all time. Especially in the movie, too. We had to act like he didn't fucking hate Joey King after they broke up. Yeah, like, the way that the Kissing Booth was the best movie I'd ever seen is crazy. Second to. To all the boys I love before.

[Jax]

That was better. Before, to all the boys, and then after, to all the boys, everyone was like, kissing Booth stunk. And it's like, why can't they just both have been good?

[Jackie]

And the Kissing Booth started this, like, insane genre on Netflix where they had to, like, beat it dead for two years of, like, Young Adult, sometimes adapted from books, but not always.

[Jax]

Always starring Jacob Elordi or Noah. Noah Centennial.

[Jackie]

And the diff. Like, the paths that they both took are so different. Remember the one where, like, he, like, blind dates the girl?

[Jax]

Sierra Burgess? Yeah.

[Jackie]

Sierra Burgess is a loser.

[Jax]

What about Tall Girl? Remember that one?

[Jackie]

No. Where Sierra Burgess was tall?

[Jax]

It was about a tall girl. I think that was the name of the movie.

[Jackie]

Okay, Tall Girl. You saw it. That was such a crazy time. Do you remember, like, Peter Kaminsky?

[Jax]

Yeah, look, it's called Sabrina's in it. She was a little girl. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I miss Sabrina's acting era.

[Jax]

I know. Well, she's going to be Alice in Wonderland, actually.

[Jackie]

Is that confirmed? Yeah, I thought it was, like, fan.

[Jax]

No, I think it's pretty confirmed. You don't remember Tall Girl?

[Jackie]

No. I must have missed.

[Jax]

She was very tall.

[Jackie]

Oh, actually, I'm sorry. Of course I remember Tall Girl. It just hit me like a truck.

[Jax]

I just want to say, like, in hindsight, I'm sure we all were like, I'm gonna watch Tall Girl in hindsight. That's like an insane name for her movie.

[Jackie]

I know, because it's just, like, her only thing was that she was tall.

[Jax]

And it's an insane concept. And it's like, okay, we've made YA movies now let's make it tall.

[Jackie]

No, no. And every. Like, they were really inclusive. Like, there was a lot of representation. Like, I Remember, like, the Korean community was obsessed with all the boys I love before? Like, their cuisine was put on. Like, everyone was, like, talking about, like, how amazing their snacks were. Remember those yogurts were selling out at, like, H Marks across the country? And so it's like, then they had to do Tall. It was crazy.

[Jax]

It was a crazy time. I do think it's. Slow down.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. They don't make movies like that anymore. But I just want to say I loved that time.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I loved those movies. I was, like, almost 30.

[Jax]

Watch Rush to make them. Yes, yes.

[Jackie]

It was like an avalanche. They all, like, are mixed up in my mind. Except for kissing Booth. And to all the boys I love

[Jax]

before and, like, prom. Remember? Or F. The prom. No, I feel like I've saw more of them than you did.

[Jackie]

It's yours. Bad movies.

[Jax]

And it's my favorite. Oh, what was the one? Maybe it was prom. No, there was another one. No, no, no, no, no. And we found it to be, like, a little anti Semitic.

[Jackie]

Oh, of course. Where the villain was wearing this. Of course we did.

[Jax]

Oh, Cami Mendez. They went to, like, a private school in Miami.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sophie Turner was in it, right? Hold on.

[Jax]

Let me look at Cami Mendes body and Sophie Turner.

[Jackie]

And, like, the villain was, like, this, like, rich kid who was always wearing a Star of David necklace. It was anti Semitic for sure.

[Jax]

Oh, do Revenge.

[Jackie]

Wow.

[Jax]

With, like, Maya Hawke.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. Maya Hawke.

[Jax]

Yeah. Cami Mendes was in a lot of these, too, you know, dream role.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

The perfect date. I think I was with Noah Centennial.

[Jackie]

There were so many Noah Centennial ones.

[Jax]

Oh, my God. That was funny. Are you ready for our next story? That's actually kind of adjacent to what we're discussing.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Jax]

A new book adaptation has been cast. Emily's Henry's Beach Reading will star. Enough with Emily Fucking Henry will star Phoebe Denver, whatever. You didn't read Beach Read. I did.

[Jackie]

Which one was that? I read a lot of them.

[Jax]

They were on a beach in Michigan, and there were neighbors. She went back to her, like, home, and she fixed it up. And.

[Jackie]

Why wouldn't I have read Beach Read? I read happy people.

[Jax]

Beach Read was, like, the first that made Emily Henry really popular. So then you read what came out next. That was really buzzy. Really? People We Meet on vacation is where you started with her.

[Jackie]

Yeah, maybe. I mean, I could check my goodreads. Actually, you know what? I will. What was it called?

[Jax]

Beach Read. You didn't read it. I know you didn't.

[Jackie]

Really?

[Jax]

Yeah. You know, because I'm always like, I like to be treating her like I didn't read it.

[Jackie]

Really? I feel like I hated it.

[Jax]

I actually liked it. I remember chuckling a couple times. It's like, totally cute. No, I didn't read it, Rom com.

[Jackie]

I've just had enough of Emily Henry. Like somebody lied to everyone. I don't know why everyone's been brainwashed into thinking any of these books are good. I actually liked the people we meet on vacation movie.

[Jax]

So that bodes well for beach Read movie.

[Jackie]

Okay, so Phoebe Dynevor and then who's the romantic lead?

[Jax]

We don't know yet. But how do you feel about Phoebe Denver?

[Jackie]

Why are you saying her name like that?

[Jax]

I'm trying different ways.

[Jackie]

Okay, she's trying.

[Jax]

There's a lot of letters in her last name.

[Jackie]

Dynevor. What is.

[Jax]

How do you spell it? D, Y, N, E, V, O, R. Dynevor Denver.

[Jackie]

Diamond of the season. She kind of fell off. Don't you feel like we always talk about how, like Ray Jean Paul fell off because he left that show to, like, pursue other things. Well, really, she stayed and it didn't really do much for her.

[Jax]

Maybe there's a Bridgerton curse.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I kind of feel that.

[Jax]

Same with Game of Thrones.

[Jackie]

No, the second season, the lead, Kate. Her name was Kate. Or is her name Kate in real life? Very beautiful girl. She also went nowhere.

[Jax]

Simone Vikown who love me.

[Jackie]

Simone Ashley.

[Jax]

Is that the Vican who love me But Jonathan Bailey. But he was famous before Jonathan Bailey.

[Jackie]

He was famous before. He had a hu. Like a theater career.

[Jax]

Was he?

[Jackie]

Yeah, he was. He was. You'll be happy to be there. Dancing through life down at the Oz dust. If only because dust is why we come to nothing matters but knowing nothing matters. Dancing through life. Literally the best scene in that first movie. Yeah.

[Jax]

When he was like ticking soundtrack again.

[Jackie]

I always listen to dancing.

[Jax]

Oh my God.

[Jackie]

When he was like twinkle toes on that wood plank. Oh, I literally, like, that was the happiest I've ever been since be our

[Jax]

guest in Beauty and the Beast also for this movie. It's the same director, so they're kind of like copy pasting people we meet on vacation.

[Jackie]

Okay. You know what?

[Jax]

I think it's good.

[Jackie]

People we meet on vacation was hella cute.

[Jax]

Yeah. I think just like we were in like we used to be in like the YA romance movie hole. I think right now we're in like the YA book adaptation hole.

[Jackie]

That's fine. Can we just choose some other authors? Like there's so many Good books out there. Yeah, like Megan Quinn. Like somebody adapt a Megan Quinn book if you care.

[Jax]

What's Megan Quinn?

[Jackie]

She's like smut queen. Like, everybody thinks Tessa Bailey. No.

[Jax]

And where does it happen? One summer. Where's our. Where's our movie?

[Jackie]

Where are all the books that, like, got adapted?

[Jax]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

And why do, like, particular ones make it to the finish line when others don't?

[Jax]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

I wish I understood, like, how this worked more.

[Jax]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? It's some more, like, content news.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Jax]

Chelsea Handler is going to develop a Hulu comedy series about a washed up reality star. So Hulu is developing a comedy series from Zoe Young that has Chelsea Handler attached to executive produce and potentially star. The potential series is called Townhouse. Per the official logline, the show follows a washed up reality star in her live in entourage of misfits as they scramble to rehab her image and reboot her career. When her estranged daughter unexpectedly moves into their crumbling Manhattan townhouse, the TV has been is confronted with the one role she spent her entire life avoiding. Motherhood.

[Jackie]

Now, I've got five words for you. Cut. Sonja Morgan. Her check clearly inspired by her life story, don't you think? The townhouse, like, come on.

[Jax]

I guess just the town reality star,

[Jackie]

washed up band of misfits, like all of her interns. Yeah, like, this is so Sony Morgan coded.

[Jax]

Oh, I guess you don't think so. No, because, like, she became a reality star in the townhouse.

[Jackie]

Okay. It's not.

[Jax]

No, but I don't like. No, because I just don't. No, it doesn't feel that way to me.

[Jackie]

But because you always, like, don't support my calls.

[Jax]

When you scratch. When your call scratches the itch, I'll let you know.

[Jackie]

Sure. Because I support your calls and you don't support mine.

[Jax]

Do you want blind support for your calls?

[Jackie]

No, I just think you don't see me. I know we're having. We had this conversation already. You just don't see me. That's why you don't see my calls. But I see you from the inside out. And everything you say I agree with because I see you.

[Jax]

So why don't you agree that that call's not good?

[Jackie]

That what?

[Jax]

That call's not good.

[Jackie]

Because the call's coming from inside the house.

[Jax]

This sounds cute.

[Jackie]

Yeah, cute, like throwback to Chelsea Handler. I like, you know, forgot. Wait, no, she doesn't act, does she? No, she's like a commentator.

[Jax]

So this would be her foray into acting. This reminds me of. Sorry. You know what it reminds me of? That show that you loved with the brothers. Let me think.

[Jackie]

The show that I. Oh, with the siblings. The other two.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Five words. Bring back the other two. I can't. Did you ever watch it?

[Jax]

Yeah, I watched some of it.

[Jackie]

Hysterical.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

That was such a weird. I know. They had, like, an investigation. Toxic workplace. Like, seriously, I don't give a. Like, I don't give a.

[Jax]

Is that what happened?

[Jackie]

Yeah, there was, like, it ended so abruptly, and it wasn't the biggest show ever on hbo, but it was pretty big. And it had a really, like, insane following. And it seems so random because it was gaining a lot of momentum. That's also why, like, the first season was good, and then the second season was really, you know, and so a show with so much momentum, like, why you would nip it in the bud. They have so much crap on hbo. And then there was, like, a report that there was an investigation into the showrunner, and, like, the show was a toxic workplace and yada yada, harassment, one or the other.

[Jax]

But does it just not remind you of this?

[Jackie]

A little bit? The vibe, kind of. Just because it's what, like, about the industry.

[Jax]

Yeah. And, like, you know, I love shows that are outcast, downtrodden. Industry discards.

[Jackie]

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. Industry discards.

[Jax]

I love that.

[Jackie]

I love shows about the industry, like Entourage, obviously.

[Jax]

Hacks.

[Jackie]

Hacks. Like, that's a little bit more satirical. I love shows about the industry.

[Jax]

You should watch industry.

[Jackie]

No, because that's about a different industry. Like finance.

[Jax]

What? Are you sure?

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, I watched the first episode of Industry. I told you. I also got confused because I thought it was the first episode of what's the apple one with Adam that everybody loves?

[Jax]

Oh, in the boxes.

[Jackie]

Yes, in the boxes. No, I watched the first episode of Severance. No, no, sorry. I watched the first episode of Industry, and then I went on the podcast and told everyone I watched the first episode of Severance, and they were like, are you sure you watch the show? I'm like, yeah, the guy, like, was doing drugs. It was. Industry was a show that, like, made me never, like, want to watch TV ever again. It was so pit inducing in the worst way.

[Jax]

Yeah. I feel like they love a strong drama with a strong title, like Succession, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Industry, Severance.

[Jackie]

Yeah, A one word of, like, a. Like a word you have to Google.

[Jax]

They're literally making shows on thesaurus.com. they're, like, coming up with the name and then making a show. Around it.

[Jackie]

I love that story. Oh, yeah. Townhouse.

[Jax]

Some exciting content. So the very content. Heavy day. A lot of upcoming excitement.

[Jackie]

I can't wait for half of these things to never air.

[Jax]

Right?

[Jackie]

That's like. We're still waiting on Legally Blonde 3, written by Mindy Kaling.

[Jax]

Right? It's supposed to be coming two summers ago.

[Jackie]

We have a list of, like, things we're waiting for. We were waiting for Confessions of a female Founder. It came and went.

[Jax]

Let me search. Lemonada. That's usually how I can find the things.

[Jackie]

Right. We're always waiting for It Happened One Summer book adaptation. Oh, I saw a commercial yesterday for regretting you. Colleen Hoover adaptation. I like how that one's not really being promoted. I guess she's, like, scarred. It looked really turned like it's giving lifetime smut. She, like, goes to jail and loses custody of her daughter and then moves back to the town to be near the daughter and her father. And of course, her and the father ended up.

[Jax]

You know, I just searched list on my phone. Like, it's such a wormhole. Yeah, I can't. I saw, like, perfect casting.

[Jackie]

Juanita Solis was a perfect casting. Where does he find her? Oh, Demi Lovato's sister.

[Jax]

No, but it's like, it just goes so deep.

[Jackie]

And I feel like when we're having the conversation about nepotism, we often do not talk about how important of a thing it is because it gave us one need to.

[Jax]

So leave when done right. Chef's kiss.

[Jackie]

Because, you know, like, not anybody could have played that.

[Jax]

Character traits are genetic.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Jax]

So when done right, I support it. It's not all bad all the time. Only when it comes to Ben Platt.

[Jackie]

Did you see Ben Platt is, like, jacked. He's been gone for a while, and then, like, his husband posted a picture of him in the gym. Like, he's enormously have to go look.

[Jax]

And actually, actually, Ben Platt isn't all bad all the time because he is talented.

[Jackie]

No, that's the unfortunate thing about being Ben Platt's number one hater. You have to acknowledge that not only is he probably one of the most talented vocalists of our time, but his debut album, like, they don't make music like that. In case you don't live forever Let me tell you now I love you more than you'll ever wrap your head around in case you don't live forever Let me tell you the truth Truth I'm everything that I am because of you. You know?

[Jax]

Isn't that about his parents?

[Jackie]

Thank you so much. For bringing that up.

[Jax]

He's like, walks all over.

[Jackie]

They're like, like, estranged now. Right?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm so curious about the Plat family dynamics because, like, they're all low key, like, famous in their own circles. Like, Jonah Platt is, like, probably one of the most. We were at, like, a. We were playing Majin with a bunch of Jewish girls. Like, do you follow J. Jonah Platt? He's like our hero. He's like a Theodore Herzl of our time. Like, we're obsessed with him. Like, every Jewish girl is obsessed with Jonah Platt. Mark Platt is, like, one of the biggest producers. Like, if you're in production, you know him. And then there was, like, the drama with Rachel Zegler and then, of course, Ben Platt. So they all operate in, like, three different universes, but I just know, like, they all fucking hate each other.

[Jax]

Yeah. Yeah. But then he writes that song.

[Jackie]

Like, I don't know how Joda Platt

[Jax]

might have been before he, like, was radicalized. And he, like, loved his parents and he loved his heritage and before he lost.

[Jackie]

It's the same with, like, aj. Aj Was it Alex Edelman? You know, he hates his brother.

[Jax]

Who's his brother?

[Jackie]

He's an Israeli Olympian.

[Jax]

Oh, it's not Julian.

[Jackie]

It's not Julian Edelman.

[Jax]

No.

[Jackie]

They're just like, kind of like.

[Jax]

And he's a comedian. Alex.

[Jackie]

Adam. Yes. Who's dating Anna Kendrick, right? Yeah. It's all coming back to you now. I just know he hates his brother, and I know his brother thinks he's a low life, like a Hollywood. Like, I just. I have the feeling, you know his brother. I wonder if Ben Platt and Alex Edelman get together and talk about, like,

[Jax]

their brothers who they find, their shared interests.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Their Zionist brothers.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Right.

[Jax]

Our fifth and final story is going to lead into Traders recap.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay. So our Traders recap, our TV recap. And just like all things about good

[Jax]

television, the back half of this show

[Jackie]

is brought to you by America's Next Top Model.

[Jax]

How perfect.

[Jackie]

Okay, so let's talk about the documentary that really everyone's talking about. If you were live between 2003 and 2012, this show was unavoidable. And if you were like, just swirly. If you're listening to the show, like, you were definitely raised by America's Next Top Model. It was appointment television, sleepover culture, screaming at your tv while, you know, Tyra was screaming at someone. We learned smizing. None of the people know, like, the origins of smizing.

[Jax]

Can I see yours? Your best one.

[Jackie]

It's Actually very hard.

[Jax]

But yeah, but look at me. I love it.

[Jackie]

Do you? I don't think that was so good.

[Jax]

That's so rude. See, you don't support my calls. You don't support my attempt. After you. My attempts at smizing.

[Jackie]

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[Jax]

It.

[Jackie]

We're getting a full behind the curtain look at the hit show that shaped a generation. Not just from fans or commentators, but from the people who were actually there. The judges. Tyra. Tyra Banks, Jay Manuel, Nigel Barker. These names. Oh, my God. When we were in high school, we saw Nigel Barker at a restaurant, right?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

We were at Mr. Chow for, like, someone's birthday, and we have a picture with him.

[Jax]

And what about Jill? Ben Simone, The Kelly Ben Simone of

[Jackie]

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[Jax]

Oh, go watch. It's been time for the reckoning.

[Jackie]

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[Jax]

So Lisa Rinna has been spilling some tea about the reunion. She had said last week I saw a quote from her that she had said that, like, it all goes down pretty much like, justices served.

[Jackie]

I heard that, like, Colton walks off

[Jax]

and then she brings up the stalker. So she clarified the rumor that Colton stormed out of the reunion. She said, well, this is what she said. That wasn't how she understood it. She said, I didn't see it myself. I saw him leave, but I saw other people leave, too, to go to the bathroom and such. But it took a long time for people to come back That I can share with you, but let's put it on the record because they probably won't air it right. I said, colton, I have a question for you. What did you mean when you said, I'm going to take her hostage.

[Jackie]

I'm dying. Lisa's so funny. She, like, read tweets and, like, did research. And you know what? I appreciate that.

[Jax]

That's all I said. And that's spun him out that she said, okay, obsessed.

[Jackie]

It's just reminding me, like, how many interesting people were on the show, how

[Jax]

good the show used to be.

[Jackie]

Like, I was watching so passively even though I had low expectations for the episode just because, like, quite literally, not one person there do I care about. I don't even know who I'm rooting for anymore. I'm kind of rooting for Mark Ballas. Like, I don't even know who the I'm rooting for.

[Jax]

No, I think Mark ballas is actually, like, well, he did say.

[Jackie]

Sorry, the worst one. Say it with me.

[Jax]

Three. Wait, hold oh.

[Jackie]

Three.

[Jax]

Well, the first. The worst faithful or the worst.

[Jackie]

The worst person on the show right now. Three, two, one.

[Jax]

Tara.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry. What Tara did last night was so

[Jax]

awful, but she was so close. I. I'M I'm not. Not rooting for her.

[Jackie]

And Johnny, I understand, like, you don't want to get off the show because, like, more episodes is good, so, like, you're afraid to say something, but at this point, there's one or two more episodes left. Like, why is she so afraid to take even the smallest of risks?

[Jax]

I think she was afraid to get it wrong and be the leader of the charge. No one wants the responsibility of making the choices and being the one that got it wrong. And I think last week when she did it to Stephen, she did not like how it felt. And so, even though, like, all day she's. And I think Tara's, like, a sweet person, so I am giving her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't leave the Natalie out to dry just because. But I think all day she's, like, really playing the game, theorizing, whatever. But when it comes to, like, actually making accusations and pointing fingers at the table, like, she doesn't want to be the one to do that again.

[Jackie]

She's also not good at it.

[Jax]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Jackie]

When we talk about, like, the biggest weenies, it also cannot be understated, Mora. I mean, if Maura isn't, like, such a stereotype, like, how little it takes for you to blindly try. Like, she wouldn't even consider the conversation and then ran back and told him. I mean, it's so, like, it's. She's such a loser.

[Jax]

Like, and also at this point, you need to, like, just look at who's left and who. When Natalie keeps saying, why am I still here? Who's keeping me around? It's because you do want voices of people who support you because they'll always vote for you. Like, like, Rob knows he can count on Maura's vote. He can count on Mark's vote. He, up until this week, could count on Natalie's vote. And so when they're accusing Natalie of sending home gamers. Because that would throw us all off.

[Jackie]

No.

[Jax]

Like, if she were a traitor, you need those voices of support because the deck is stacked when you have people who believe you and who want to go with you. Just, like, if Johnny was a traitor, Tara would always go with him. So, like, their logic was so off, they don't know which road to walk down, and they refuse to, like, really look into why Candace was throwing out Rob's name. So I was glad to see that Mark was, like, yeah, that was a red flag for me, too. But Mark is, like, probably the least intuitive one there, because at Least Tara throughout, like, had the thought of Rob and brought Rob to the table. And I think Johnny said, at this point, I think it's Rob and Eric. I could see it being, like, at least someone's, like, close.

[Jackie]

I know, but they just. They guess everyone. And now there's so few people left. I'm not even finding it impressive that somebody said Tara, somebody said Rob.

[Jax]

It must be really weird to be in a room where, like. Like, everyone's trying to figure out who the traitor is, and they're. You know, that one or two are among you, and, like, you actually can't trust anyone that you're talking to. Like, I imagine it really is a mind at this point. Plus, they're in, like, you know, a bubble closed. Like, I think it really gets to be very. And your. The goal is to, like, be paranoid and be suspicious. I think it really starts to, like, eat at you.

[Jackie]

Do they know how many traitors are left?

[Jax]

No, but they do know that people turn.

[Jackie]

They do, yeah.

[Jax]

So they're saying, like, one or two left.

[Jackie]

It's incredibly lame of Rob to be riding so hard for Eric because, like, the reason he threw Lisa under the

[Jax]

bus was because Lisa, she was getting suspicious.

[Jackie]

She was, like, a liability. Eric sucks at being a traitor. He's such a liability. The first roundtable he went to Kristen was on him, and now Mark was on to him after last night. So the way he's, like, so not throwing Eric under the bus is very suspicious.

[Jax]

And I don't understand why they're not more suspicious of Eric. Like, I can make the case for why no one. There is a trait like Johnny and Tara, I think, think are safe. Natalie, people really started to believe she's not a traitor. They just voted for her because, like.

[Jackie]

Cause what else?

[Jax]

They got confused.

[Jackie]

No, because they're afraid of.

[Jax]

Nobody seems to think Mark is a traitor. For whatever reason, they trust Rob. Even when confronted with. Maybe it's Rob, they're like, no, it's not Rob.

[Jackie]

Why?

[Jax]

Like, to me, Eric is the most obvious traitor. There's no reason to argue why he's not a traitor. He doesn't throw anyone. He's just, like, coasting the whole time. Also, Mark literally, Kristin said, if I get killed tonight, it's Eric. Okay, so this is where Mark is so tough. And now Mark is like, well, maybe if it's, you know, to throw me off to think it was Eric.

[Jackie]

Kristen literally told if I go home tonight. And Mark didn't want to tell anybody that he didn't want to bring it up at the Round table.

[Jax]

I don't know. And also, it's like they're. They're like, why did Candace throw out Rob's name? And it's like, if they would just go one step further and be like, well, when Lisa. The first time she threw it out is when Rob went for Lisa, and Lisa wound up being a traitor. That must have made can. That's when Rob started turning on his fellow traitors. Right. If Rob is the traitor, then he went for Candace, and Candace was leaving crumbs. They just like, there's. It's right there.

[Jackie]

No, but they don't really have the courage to go there. Even if they were able to put it all together, they would be able to explain it away. Really. The Round Table. I say this every week. It's. The show is so fascinating because it's seriously a sociological experiment to see all these people, like, have actual concerns, legitimate concerns about Rob, not voice them. And get so Rob sitting there smiling when the conversation now becomes a fight between Tara and Natalie.

[Jax]

Like.

[Jackie]

Like, it's so just silly and funny how humans, like, are easily manipulated by people.

[Jax]

And I also think it's not good for women.

[Jackie]

Maura Mora.

[Jax]

But also Tara and Natalie, like, getting distracted. They were aligned on Rob, and they had really good reasons for Rob, and instead, they start, like, infighting with each other.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I think the Mora thing is more embarrassing. Like, Mora couldn't. Would not even entertain the conversation. Like, she's so, like, swoo. She's, like, swooning.

[Jax]

Yeah. But they're not even in love. Finds out, I don't think she's even gonna care. I don't think she's taking this very seriously. Right. And that's why it's weird that she's still there. Who do you think I appreciated her

[Jackie]

saying that, being, like, I don't know why I'm still here. I'm not good at this game. So, like, why are you crying? Tara?

[Jax]

Yeah. Who do you think they'll kill tonight?

[Jackie]

Is everyone an option except for.

[Jax]

Yeah, except for Eric.

[Jackie]

I think that they should kill Mark because that's their ally. I know they. They then lose a vote, but it really makes them look, like, very innocent.

[Jax]

I think they look more innocent if they kill Maura because, sure, people would think Rob would never kill.

[Jackie]

Right? Right.

[Jax]

Because she. But they shouldn't kill Nora because she will always vote with Rob. He needs her vote.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Jax]

So if you kill Tara or Johnny, then you're kind of like, the whole opposition is gone.

[Jackie]

No, not only that. If you kill Tara or Johnny, that means makes like, Johnny's not a faithful. And I think whatever Tara is, Johnny is. And whatever Johnny is, Tara is. So you're then getting rid of two distractions.

[Jax]

No, but there, at this point, they don't need distractions anymore. Like, if. If they get rid of Tara or Johnny, he will still have the vote from Mark and Maura. Eric.

[Jackie]

Well, sorry. What happens next? There's no more round tables, so I

[Jax]

guess the faithfuls have one more shot. Well, this is just me guessing. Have one more shot at guessing. The traitors, they, like, put it in, and then all will be revealed. Then the game is over. And so if they.

[Jackie]

Next week, the finale.

[Jax]

I think so. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay, good. It's enough.

[Jax]

It is enough. So I think, honestly, they just have to kill Tara or Johnny because Eric, Robb, Mora. Mora.

[Jackie]

And Mark. Mark is, like, 75% Team Rob. Like, he is the role of.

[Jax]

He might have to be the one to, like, save everyone, but I. I think they'll never get Maura to flip. And so if he goes against the group, like, I think it's kind of in. It's won. The game is won already by Rob.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah. Rob had, like, a moment of reflection. First of all, Rob, like, lashing out at the carnival was weird.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But then he had, like, a moment of reflection for the first time. Like, you know, the sociopath was like, I feel bad for all the people I'm hurting. I actually did not buy it.

[Jax]

I think that Rob will get them all to turn on Eric and they'll banish Eric. They'll have gotten a traitor, but Rob was still in their midst.

[Jackie]

Well, I think that that would probably be the best thing for Rob, because I think people are like. Like, you couldn't go to bat for your tried and true traders. Like, the second things got hard, you dumped Lisa. But this rando Eric walks in at the 11th hour, and you're, like, fighting for him. It actually makes him look really bad and really misogynistic, like.

[Jax]

Yes. But I think he needs his vote.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

You know, because if. If Eric got out, if he worked it. So Eric got banished instead of Natalie. Natalie's not a sure vote I for team Rob.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Jax]

She already started going for Rob, so she had to go.

[Jackie]

Her speech made me so upset. Like, first of all, I can't believe she was in that dress all day with the heels. Like. I know. So I read about the schedule. Like, you do full glam by yourself in the morning. You go to the castle all day, you change There for the challenge into, like, running clothes. You get back to the castle, put back on your outfit. Like, I think you're allowed to touch up your makeup a little bit. And then the round table goes into the wee hours of the night. I was so uncomfortable for her in the dress and the shoes.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And then she gives this speech about how, like, she's always wanted to be strong, and now she feels like it was, like, her greatest asset, and then people here, like, used it against her, and she's a faithful.

[Jax]

No. And when they're like, I think you're a traitor, you're very smart, you're very strong, you're good at the game. It's like, just because I'm smart doesn't mean I'm a traitor. Like, so all faithfuls are dumb.

[Jackie]

Not only that, like, you don't achieve traitor status. It's just given to random people. So being smart, it's not like you earned it.

[Jax]

Right? So, like, okay, because I'm smart, and because I'm smart, you guys want to get rid of me when I could maybe help you.

[Jackie]

You. It's very hard to judge everyone because I just know if my ass is in this house, like, I'd be dumber than all these people.

[Jax]

No idea.

[Jackie]

I think it's so.

[Jax]

I don't think I would be good at it.

[Jackie]

I think you're right that, like, only a true sociopath as a faithful or a traitor can be successful. Like, it's so, like, I'm being very judgmental of everyone. Like, you're dumb, you're stupid, you're fine. You're ugly. I would be worse.

[Jax]

No, I think that it's hard to be a really good trader. I don't. I. I respect Rob's gameplay, but I think for the faithful, it's a bit of luck and, like, going unnoticed and just being, like, unremarkable until a certain

[Jackie]

point, because then you've been, like, so quiet the whole time. That was like, Lisa Rinna.

[Jax]

Yeah. No, but you can't do that as Lisa.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Right, Right.

[Jax]

Mark Ballas is, like, a perfect example,

[Jackie]

but even, like, Donna Kelsey, like, she engaged with no one because she was, like, afraid, and they got her in, like, week two.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

No.

[Jax]

So it's really kind of, like, look like who they're gonna try and focus on, except Rob is a skillful player, and it's like. Like, Colton got banished or, like, you know, halfway through the game or whatever. Would we say he was a good player, even though he was great? So it's like, Weird. The best players aren't there.

[Jackie]

You know, it's like, you aren't rewarded. Like, the people who make it far aren't the best players. They're lucky or unremarkable. And that's boring. That's the fatal flaw of the show. Like, the people that we're left with. Now imagine if, like, the remaining six was, like, Rinna, Candace, Michael, Rappaport, like, Colton, Donna, Kelsey. Like, everyone. It was a good cast.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Who we were left with, like, that's just the fatal flaw of the game.

[Jax]

Yeah, it is.

[Jackie]

Why, like, why were the first three episodes, like, the best TV I've ever seen in my life?

[Jax]

Because it was a lot of different people, a lot of characters, a lot of personalities.

[Jackie]

And I know the secret trader thing was, like, kind of dumb, but I did really, like, when people would get on the. The circle that I didn't know what they were gonna say. Like, now I know what everyone's gonna say, and I'm like, yeah, stick it to them, Natalie. But it was a little thrilling to be like, is Donna the secret traitor? Like, not knowing who for the audience,

[Jax]

I always wonder what the show would be like and how. How I would be as an audience member if I didn't know who the traitors were. Would I be able to guess? So that was fun.

[Jackie]

Did you try it? One season.

[Jax]

I didn't think it was Donna.

[Jackie]

I didn't think it was Donna. I thought it was for sure.

[Jax]

Colton. Like, elder abusers.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Sending this poor old lady.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I thought it was for sure, Colton. Yeah. And then Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which was really, like. I was, like, not, like, loving the episode. I thought it was kind of boring until Denise showed up. I thought that was, like, the most. Most fascinating conversation in reality TV history.

[Jax]

1.

[Jackie]

Because, like, Denise's time on the show, I believe, was cut short. I think the women really did her dirty. And it was very interesting as she remained friends with, like, a couple like, Garcelle, and I guess she kept in contact with Erica. And, like, now we know why. Erica was, like, so moved by Denise's story. I was so shocked, like, when Erica spoke up, Like, I was shocked.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I wasn't sure if it was the boy. The man. Sorry, Boy. One of my three. The man that she's dating. Is that what she was referring to? Because I like, how much time has passed. But then she said, no, now she's dating someone else. So it was a relationship before that.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Who?

[Jax]

We don't know who she's been dating in the years since Tom.

[Jackie]

It was so crazy. First of all, Denise's stories about being abused after her face left.

[Jax]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

On the toilet, like, crazy. I fucking hate.

[Jax]

You need to. You can't walk. Like, you can't go to the bathroom. You can't wipe.

[Jackie]

Be more vulnerable.

[Jax]

No.

[Jackie]

And that's how she knew, like, that from before the next surgery. She wanted, like, insane. She looked amazing. I love the transparency about facelifts.

[Jax]

No, that was frightening.

[Jackie]

And then out of left field, Erica says, it happened to me.

[Jax]

Yeah, well, Erica was being so supportive and, like, she knew what. Just what to say. And, like, she couldn't have been a better friend in that moment. And then. Yeah, then she shared like, that she knows how she feels because it's happened to her. And that was just so sad. Sutton was also just, like, so there. And, like.

[Jackie]

And I want to say I thought it was very appropriate that Sutton got choked up in her confessionals. Like, when someone shares that with you, like, you crying stop. Like, that's inappropriate. But it's such a heavy thing. And I thought it was like, a real. She's like, a very graceful response from, like, to be there and supportive and ask questions but not be, like, overly emotional. But then clearly, like, it's a shocking thing to hear in her confessionals, like, getting choked up about it.

[Jax]

Yeah. I feel like all the women, at least this season, are really good at being there for each other. Like, even Erica has more, like, legal drama and, like, they've all reached out. Yeah.

[Jackie]

That sucks.

[Jax]

It sucks because she's just, like, digging

[Jackie]

herself out of the hole that Tom left her in, and she's working so hard, and it's, like, almost all for nothing because all of it has to go to her legal bill. That's terrible. So I. I would love to have Denise back on the show. I loved her when she was on. I thought the women mistreated her so poorly. Kyle. Kyle doesn't get enough hate for that. Like, she was so awful leaving the charge against Denise. Yeah, of course.

[Jax]

But Erica was. Erica is still best friends with Rinna. Yeah, they were best friends on the show after the show.

[Jackie]

It was a real friendship.

[Jax]

Yeah. So I think. But I think, like, Denise hates Rinna.

[Jackie]

Of course.

[Jax]

Yeah. So Erica's, like, in the middle now,

[Jackie]

watching those old clips of Aaron. Like, I know the hand crushing thing. I hadn't seen that before.

[Jax]

I. I remember seeing it, and then it was just like. That explained. Like, it was just like, oh, yeah, it was a bad moment.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And, like, men who get really involved. It's always nefarious. Like it's weird.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Especially season one.

[Jax]

Honestly, I never, I just remember, I don't remember exactly everything they did, but I just remember thinking like Denise and Aaron were such a great couple, supportive of one another.

[Jackie]

Like yeah, yeah.

[Jax]

It's especially Charlie. And then when Denise said he makes Charlie look like an angel.

[Jackie]

True. Because when I watched Charlie's documentary and like his greatest crime was that he was self destructive. Like he never really hurt. Denise was in the documentary. I think like she. He was a terrible husband, but I think she loves him and like they still try to actively co parent and they have a good relationship. Like he's worse than Charlotte. Yeah, for sure.

[Jax]

Shocking.

[Jackie]

The episode was like kind of boring. Otherwise, like love to see the ladies at Surf lives.

[Jax]

Oh, I loved the Hamptons. Watching like Dorit get her flirt on was so cute. Was that guy 26 or 40?

[Jackie]

I don't know. Xander.

[Jax]

Yeah. Like he didn't look 26 and he didn't look 40. He looked both. He actually looked both 26 and 40.

[Jackie]

I could have lived without like the whole thing.

[Jax]

Why aren't all the girls there? It's a weird trip and it really looked like they were having true fun. Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's like a perfect summer. They do two trips on housewives. Like a small one, like always, like a little bit more local and then they're going.

[Jax]

But they already did.

[Jackie]

Oh yeah. Where'd they go?

[Jax]

Santa Barbara or like San Antonio.

[Jackie]

Oh no. Arizona.

[Jax]

Sedona, some whatever.

[Jackie]

Tuscon. They did a local trip and then they do a big trip. But yeah, they could have done like a mid sized trip where they all went to the Hamptons and we're all at Surf Lodge and we're all going shopping.

[Jax]

Like would be amazing.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And then it looks like next week like Kyle calls Bose being like, I'm

[Jax]

really concerned about dirty because she's shopping. She, by the way, Eric is giving

[Jackie]

real empath this season. Like even her conversation with Amanda, which was the first time I heard Amanda speak and I didn't like hate everything she said and like thought she was the worst. She's just coming as she's approaching the season with like a lot of, you know, feelings.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like understanding. It's nice.

[Jax]

It's so she's like really like a rock solid friend. Yeah.

[Jackie]

She. I feel like she's just like a rock solid, solid person. Oh. It was chilling when she said, you don't know what it's like to be the mother of a police Officer. And have to call 91 1. Yeah. Chilling. I always forget that Erica has a son who's a cop.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I also forget that she, like, has a son.

[Jax]

Oh, I remember.

[Jackie]

It's just like, I feel like it's a little incongruous with, like, her image, like, her Erica Jane image, you know,

[Jax]

Like, Erica Girardi had a kid, but she's so 360.

[Jackie]

You cannot put Erica Jane in a box.

[Jax]

No, I forgot about Amanda. She's been coming up on my downlight

[Jackie]

time with her, like, her content.

[Jax]

Her content.

[Jackie]

And it's definitely giving Boses, like, onto something because, like, she's so wealthy from all these courses. Right. She makes Instagram reels that have, like, 700 views.

[Jax]

Yeah. So what do you think that it is? Because Bose is saying, like, she teaches you how to manifest money while also taking your money. So it's kind of like, counterintuitive.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, it's snake oil salesman. Like, snake oil salesman's live in nice houses because they are good salesmen.

[Jax]

Yeah. But, like, if you want to spend your money learning how to make money, like, that's how you, like, she's not breaking the law. Right. But it sounded like you were about to allude to, like, some sort of fraudulence because, like, how. No, how can you make that much money?

[Jackie]

It's not fraudulent per se in it.

[Jax]

It's a question mark because how can you make that much money doing what she does?

[Jackie]

It lives in a nice house.

[Jax]

And she shouldn't have said that her husband, like, brings home no money because we would have just assumed, like, their dual income. Strong. You know what I mean? Like, but it definitely, like, leaves a question mark of how can you make that much money doing what she's doing.

[Jackie]

The thing she said about Dorit was really mean about how, like, Dorit's just jealous of Amanda because Amanda has never financially depended. Oh, my God.

[Jax]

It was like I was. I was like, no one was saying anything.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But Dorit financially depended on a man, and it's really not working out for her. Like, so mean.

[Jax]

So I'm going through, like, legal battle

[Jackie]

with their ex over custody and money. Like, it's such a traumatizing thing.

[Jax]

So uncalled for. Like, hater their argument. They're like petty squabbles. Have not reached a level where you've

[Jackie]

not gotten there yet.

[Jax]

Where you need to say that about someone.

[Jackie]

Yeah. That was just, like, so out of left field.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So, yeah, it was, like, kind of a boring episode. I need. I kind of need the gals back together. It's now, like, two and a half episodes bifurcated, where they're on separate coasts, and it's like, oh, sorry. Erica should be in the Hamptons. Oh, I like that Rachel Zo, like, hates Kyle because it's, like, it's true. Kyle is like, this OG Housewife. Everyone loves her. Everyone loves us, boss. And it's like, where's that girl? You know?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

She's like, this new Kyle is like, definitely. And I don't think it has anything to do with her being sober. She just, like, she kind of sucks. And so I hear Rachel being like, you're, like, the OG of the bh, and it's like, this is it.

[Jax]

No. And it has. I. I don't even remember that she's sober. I'm not interested in, like, watching drunk people. That's not like. So it has nothing to do with that. I also now notice what you said, which is that Kyle is very nasty in her interviews. Nastier than, like, you know, at the table. She'll like, not say anything, and then she'll undercut whatever Dorit said in her interview. And it's. It's gonna make for an interesting reunion. But if I'm watching that, like, that's not your friend.

[Jackie]

No. And Rachel really likes to read. Yeah. Like, but they're. I think they are similar personalities. They're very fashiony, and then they both have this, like, you know, divorce looming over their head. So they relate to one another. And I think soon, like, Rachel's dislike or just, like, like, meh on Kyle is gonna get even worse because, like, she's gonna start taking up for her friend. I like that Rachel's always, like, not afraid to get a little dirty. I wish she could go a little bit more, you know, same.

[Jax]

But I also think Kathy stands in her way.

[Jackie]

Even though, like, those.

[Jax]

Kathy wouldn't stand in her way, but, like, she's not gonna. Meanwhile, the Hilton sisters. No one's nasty to them that each other. But, like, you can be to your, like, no.

[Jackie]

And I think Rachel would respect that. That's Kathy's sister.

[Jax]

Yeah. And, like, not want to put Kathy in an uncomfortable position. Even though, like, Kyle chose rinicide over Kathy DJ situation.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Jax]

Remember, it had her over.

[Jackie]

That was awful.

[Jax]

Awful.

[Jackie]

So, no, Rachel, like, joined this crew. Like, she has to work over the summer, but she's like, whatever. I think being a reality star is fun. These women look like they have a lot of fun, and, like, she's wanting to have fun and Kyle's like, so not in a fun place and she's like kind of not a fun person right now. So I just feel like it's not a good match. Them too. I don't know why she brought Kyle. And it was all to, like, help single ladies. No, I thought it was like, to help her and Dorit, like see one another. Meanwhile, I haven't had like a meaningful conversation the whole time.

[Jax]

Time. But I guess also if she just brought like Dorit and Erica, well, that would have been my dream and dream team. But she probably brought like Dorit and Kyle because, like, that's content. You know, like them. They need to have conversations and do the. The spiel.

[Jackie]

But they're not.

[Jax]

But they're not even doing it. Yeah.

[Jackie]

So why is Erica sitting at home?

[Jax]

Bring. Why isn't Erica there? I feel sick.

[Jackie]

Even Jakaya could have been there. It's not one or the other.

[Jax]

Like all of them went Bose then Bose. Where's Bose?

[Jackie]

Oh, sorry.

[Jax]

But she has a lot going on.

[Jackie]

Dream team is Bose, Erica, Rachel, Dirty Dorit. Even though it looks like Dorit and Erica, like go at each other this season, I. I can't.

[Jax]

It happens. As long. As long as it's something we can't come back from.

[Jackie]

Well, that's your TV recap. That's our show for the. Oh, no, sorry. It's Queenie. Almost forgot. Sorry. Our final segment of the week is something we like to do called Queenie and weenie of the week. We give out two awards to two different people. It's extremely self explanatory. Queenie of the week and weenie of the week. It could be anyone from pop culture to world news, global impact. Queenie of the week and weenie of the week. So. So, Jax, would you like to go first with your queenie?

[Jax]

Yes. I think my Queenie is pretty obvious. The man, the myth, the legend, Paul Salem.

[Jackie]

The joy that this photo, honestly, it's the frame. It's not even the man inside of it. Like, the joy this has brought me. People are lauding it as our best segment ever. Like, I'm obsessed.

[Jax]

And he is not only the first businessman of the week, but he's the first joint businessman of the week. And Queenie. And unanimous Queenie at that. Bakouta Heavy is the head that wears the crown. Paul Salem. Don't fuck it up.

[Jackie]

He's the first businessman of the week and if I have anything to do with it, he'll be the last.

[Jax]

Oh, wow. That means we don't get jets and we don't get Birkins and we didn't get a sponsored segment.

[Jackie]

And then Weenie. I actually had so many options this week. I, I of course wanted to throw Massimo name around because just like, imagine fumbling Lori Loughlin, but I didn't end up going with him. I very, I came very close to, to choosing Tara Lipinski because honestly, like, her behavior at the round table could

[Jax]

only be described behavior.

[Jackie]

But I decided to go with someone else. And that's Lucy from Tell Me Liza getting in the car and. And actually I want to also make Weenie of the week. Anybody who thought, like, she had a plan getting in the car and that, like, Lucy's in control and she let him go because that's also like. But Lucy, like, her getting back in the car, like, like her getting back in the car.

[Jax]

Her getting back in the car only to, like, do it all again at, like, Bri and Wrigley's wedding.

[Jackie]

Correct.

[Jax]

My weenie of the week is adjacent to yours. It's from Tell me Lies and it's Wrigley's wig and the people who put it on his head and thought that that was a good idea.

[Jackie]

I love that.

[Jax]

And in like, the. What's supposed to be, like, the penultimate moment of the show of Brie and Wrigley finally getting together without morning breath and they're like, looking their best and it's been years and he's in that wig. Major plot hole.

[Jackie]

Agreed.

[Jax]

Like, show ruining.

[Jackie]

Do over. Like, seriously, do it over.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

All right, well, that's our show, you guys. Thank you so much. Listening to the Toast of Land morning show, we Deliver the Fast 5 stories

[Jax]

that you know every Monday through Friday on YouTube.

[Jackie]

So if you're watching this on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe. Give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcasts anywhere podcasts can be found. That's why I didn't Citra Public Radio cast box all the places we said podcast my not so toasty 5 star review about a beautiful. About how stunning and about how wickedly talented we are. Are.

[Jax]

Love you. Bye.