Wesmandoval: Wednesday, April 1st, 2026

Summary

The Toast – "Wesmandoval" (April 1, 2026)

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry

Network: Dear Media

Air Date: April 1, 2026

Note: Ads, intros, and outros omitted; only core, on-topic content summarized. All times in MM:SS format.

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Overview

This episode of The Toast is a whirlwind deep-dive into the developing "Wesmandoval" situation—an explosive scandal in the Bravo universe, particularly around Summer House stars Amanda, West, and Sierra. Jackie and Claudia break down the origins, emotional fallout, and cultural context of the drama, drawing comparisons to past reality TV controversies ("Scandoval"). The episode also grapples with April Fools' Day confusion and explores the wider impact on the Bravo fandom and influencer world. Discussions touch on brand fallout, parasocial relationships, and the personal trajectories of the main players.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: The Hosts' Locations and Mood

• Jackie’s in Dallas for the holiday (Passover); Claudia is elsewhere. They joke about recording from random places and the energy of "hump day."
• Jackie shares the small "adventure" of driving a Range Rover in Dallas, to which Claudia teasingly minimizes as not exactly viral-worthy.
  – "I reserve our viral sound, 'I did something crazy last night,' for things that are actually crazy." (03:00, Claudia)

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2. Unpacking "Wesmandoval" (The Summer House Scandal)

What Happened?

• Amanda (recently divorced from Kyle, another castmate) is confirmed to be dating West—who is the ex and close friend of her best friend Sierra.
• Both Amanda and West issued a joint public statement about their relationship, but the wording is vague and doesn't declare them a couple or profess deep feelings.

Why is it a Big Deal?

• The betrayal is particularly acute because of the tight-knit interconnections in the friend group and the longstanding emotional pain Sierra endured over West.
• Jackie and Claudia see the dynamics as more about "betrayal" than pure "scandal" or cheating (as in Scandoval). – “The whole issue here is not scam, it’s betrayal.” (04:20, Jackie)

Bravo Context & Cultural Impact

• References to Vanderpump Rules’ “Scandoval” and how Amanda was poised to become a breakout "scorned woman" success story, mirroring Ariana Maddox, until her own scandal broke.
• Discussion of the emotional differences between the betrayals of Summer House and Vanderpump Rules (cheating vs. friend betrayal).
• Streaming and reality TV trends (e.g., rise of the “scorned Bravo woman”).

The Role of Brand Deals (Buffalo Wild Wings Theory)

• Heavy speculation about whether the Amanda/West relationship was a "brand activation" or April Fools' prank due to recent ambiguous BWW social media posts and both stars’ corporate partnerships. Ultimately, hosts dismiss this as very unlikely but cover the theories for completeness. – “For wings? Like, you’re kidding me. For wings?” (33:37, Claudia)

Social and Professional Fallout

• Amanda lost at least one major brand campaign (Edie Parker) post-statement.
• Sierra is rapidly gaining public sympathy and is predicted by Jackie and Claudia to experience an Ariana Maddox-style career boom: "She’s about to be so rich and famous...let that carry you through losing a friend and a short guy." (43:56, Claudia)

Friend Group Dynamics

• Kyle (Amanda’s ex-husband) and West are friends, adding another layer to the drama.
• Paige and Hannah's alliances: speculation that Paige is “firmly team Sierra.”
• Claudia calls out those online who now claim they never liked Amanda, calling them "losers" for jumping on the trend now rather than speaking up before. (41:45–41:57)

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3. April Fools' Day: Pranks & Paranoia

• Both hosts and their friends are targets/victims of elaborate April Fools’ pranks.
• Speculation about whether the "Wesmandoval" situation could be an extended April Fools’ stunt adds to the confusion.
• Discussion of influencer and brand April Fools’ gags, including Dana from the Redheads masterminding early-morning pranks.
  – “I hate being on edge. And it’s so annoying. People now do it, like, days in advance... I just hate it.” (10:16, Claudia)

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4. Deep Dive: Summer House Primer for the Uninitiated (20:40–26:23)

• Jackie and Claudia walk listeners through the cast’s history, relationship entanglements, and Amanda’s previous “free Amanda” support within the Bravo fandom.
• Key background: Amanda and Kyle’s long, tumultuous relationship; Sierra’s heartbreak over West; and the crew’s interrelated personal and business ties.

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5. Examining the Joint Statement (29:45–30:56)

• The hosts parse Amanda and West’s statement as "vague," non-committal, and failing to justify the enormity of their actions.
• “It’s so much to throw away for…you’re not even calling a boyfriend.” (30:40, Claudia)
• Jackie argues that if it were true love, Amanda should have just said so—and given fans no choice but to accept the relationship.

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6. Parasocial Analysis, Piling On & Internet Hysteria

• Reflection on the fan response, public "piling on," and how quick the internet is to turn on former “fan favorites.”
• Claudia emphasizes not to cross the line into personal vitriol: “Let’s not go below…” (42:29)

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7. What Comes Next? Predictions & Fallout (44:00–47:10)

• Likely career boost for Sierra; potential long-term impact on Amanda and West’s careers and friendships.
• Speculation about the future of Summer House: who will/won’t return next season; how producers will handle the fallout; comparison to reality TV’s biggest scandals.
• “Why are people talking like this is bad for the show? This is the most amazing thing that’s ever happened.” (45:05, Jackie)

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8. Peripheral Stories & Reality TV Updates

• Quick pivot to other news:
  • Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue: New batch of models, including Alandria from Love Island USA.
  • Tiger Woods’ public statement post-DUI.
  • Discussion of Chloe & Lamar Odom’s documentary, especially on the theme of addiction and reality TV relationships.
• Lighthearted banter about “birthday buddies” and Bravo crossovers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “[Amanda] would give up all of that and your best friend… for what? A guy who Dumois is also seeing two other people, right?” (27:26, Claudia)
• “You will get no understanding and no respect, especially not with this statement.” (30:15, Jackie)
• On fan hypocrisy: “She’s been on TV for 10 years and oh, you didn’t like her this whole time, but you never said anything until everyone tells you can say something. Shut up.” (41:57, Jackie)
• “Sierra, I know right now you’re probably in hell…what Amanda has done for you is the biggest gift.” (43:33, Claudia)
• “These self-proclaimed girls’ girls have done the most stereotypical—let a guy come between them.” (44:00, Claudia)
• “I think he’s in love with her. I do.” (44:52, Jackie, on West)
• “This is, like, seriously all I have to live for these days.” (50:54, Claudia)

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Important Timestamps

• 04:02–14:28: Origins of “Wesmandoval,” April Fools’ confusion, brand speculation
• 20:40–27:08: Summer House background & the gravity of the betrayal
• 29:45–34:03: Joint statement analysis; parsing the BWW theory
• 36:23–39:07: Brand fallout: Edie Parker drops Amanda
• 43:33–44:11: The “gift” to Sierra—future predictions
• 44:00–47:10: Will the cast return for next season? Implications for Summer House
• 51:14–54:04: Sports Illustrated / Love Island tangent with Summer House tie-ins
• 60:04–65:32: Other news: Tiger Woods, post-divorce healing, and digressions about “healing before dating”

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Takeaways

• The episode captures real-time unfolding of a major Bravo reality scandal, offering both passionate, sympathetic takes and critical analysis.
• Both hosts defend the right to criticize Amanda and West’s actions while cautioning against personal attacks and retrospective “bandwagon” hate.
• There’s substantial nuance in their differentiation between “scandal” (cheating) and “betrayal” (breaking friendship/fan trust).
• Sierra, once a “victim” in the scenario, may be poised for the kind of public renaissance Ariana Maddox experienced post-Scandoval.
• Bravo, influencer, and reality TV culture is deeply interconnected with personal branding, friendships, parasocial relationships, and influencer deals.

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Summary prepared for those who wish to be fully in the Bravo/pop culture loop without having to listen; contains all major story beats, insights, and context.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies.

[B]

It's the Toast.

[A]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[B]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[A]

They sound amazing.

[B]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Wednesday. And we're. Boy, if there ever was a hump day, that humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

[A]

Why is it such a hump day for you? As you desecrate the nursery rhyme, I

[B]

have to climb a mountain today. That's a hump. Like, we have an insane episode. Historic episode. We.

[A]

Do you know what? I'm in Dallas. By the way, if you're watching as a video, you're like, where is she? Who is she? Where has she been? Serena. I'm in Dallas and I'm in. And who is she and who is she? She's Jacks. And who is she with? She's Claude.

[B]

Yeah. And we're like, so transatlantic. Continental.

[A]

Oh, my God. Every day is every night a different town. That's literally the show. You never know where we're going to podcast from next.

[B]

And that's why we're always bringing new and interesting perspectives, because we travel. Yeah, she's in Texas. We're well traveled, so she's choosing Texas. I can tell.

[A]

I'm in Dallas for the holiday and so many things. Many things. Co Jerner, I have to say, this

[B]

is also our last episode of the week. Mind you, tomorrow tonight starts the sacred holiday of Passover. So honestly, Amanda and West's turnt little statement couldn't have come at a better time.

[A]

Yes. Except I knew I was recording this episode from Dallas and there's a time change here. And the only studio time I could get here is like 8am Dallas time. And I've not been feeling well. So I was like, you know what if I can make it to Wednesday, make it to Dallas, like, maybe I'll just have like Ben fill in for me on Wednesday and phone and. And then the minute I saw her statement yesterday, I was like, I have toast. Yeah, I have to do the toast today.

[B]

Yeah, we have to do the toast today. We also have deer toast.

[A]

So I Woke up at 6:15 after a sleepless night with all three children in our room.

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Heaven.

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It was actually adorable. But the whole time I'm like, I have to just like, get up and go to work.

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Big day.

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But there's a lot to get up and go to work for today. But I also have to tell you cod journer did something crazy this morning.

[B]

This morning?

[A]

This morning. How do you think I got here

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to the studio? I guess you're not at your house. You don't have your Tesla. Did you take a who? I guess.

[A]

No. I guess that would be crazier. No, I drove.

[B]

Wait, let me think.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, you drove What?

[A]

I drove myself here, like, to.

[B]

You do that every day?

[A]

No, no, no. But not in my car. This isn't new for me. I've never driven, like, at the drama. In another city, with another city streets. I drove Zach's mom's car. I drove a Range Rover.

[B]

Range Rovers actually are hard to drive.

[A]

And can you believe that? I was, like, so nervous, but I'm. I'm here.

[B]

I mean, I guess, like, I reserve our viral sound. I did something crazy last night for things that are actually crazy.

[A]

You know me and. And you know me and you know us. And.

[B]

Why do you take an Uber if this is so crazy?

[A]

Because I'm like, I do drive every day. I can do this, Jax. I can do this. Like, you know, Tiger woods drives on pills. Like, I can do this.

[B]

If he can do that, I can do anything.

[A]

Like Justin Timberlake drives drunk. I can drive to work.

[B]

Yeah. I have to tell you, I personally am obsessed with your setup. When you go to Dallas, the last time you went, we found this, like, amazing studio. It actually inspired us. It did redesign. The frames exist because of the studio you're currently sitting in.

[A]

So true. I thought this.

[B]

The camera quality, the lighting, it's really been an inspiration to us. Inspiration in a very aesthetic, creative way. And I love your setup. Like, you are so serious. It's giving podcast.

[A]

Well, you know what? It is giving podcast, and today is giving podcast, because we have serious business to discuss. But I was also thinking how the last time I was here, it inspired us to, like, refresh our remote studio. So you can thank this studio in Dallas for the frames.

[B]

Yeah, it's true.

[A]

If you don't like the frames, blame the studio.

[B]

Yesterday was such an emotional roller coaster for myself, um, and I think lots of people. Our first story is obviously what they're calling Scamanda, which is the name of a popular podcast.

[A]

No, I don't like it. I either like Amanda Vol or Wes Mandaval.

[B]

Oh, wait, I love that. I didn't know those were options. I agree. Scamanda is not only not original, the whole issue here is not scam, it's betrayal.

[A]

It's Amanda.

[B]

It's Amanda.

[A]

But however, calling it Amanda, like, takes A little bit of the blame off of West Mandeval. So that's why we have to put in West Mandaval.

[B]

Well, also obviously the quickest comparison that people are making to this Scamanda is scandal and it's really not a good comparison because the core thing missing is cheating.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And as far as we know, although now thanks to Dave Portnoy, people are bringing in perhaps there being overlap in her marriage or now we're rewatching this summer being like the acting, weird stories. So as far as we know, there isn't any infidelity which makes very different than Scandal.

[A]

Agreed. And I'm going to operate as if there was an infidelity because I just keep giving this girl the benefit of the doubt even though she doesn't seem

[B]

to worthy of it.

[A]

Yeah, need it. But what this has that Scandal did not have is that I think that Sierra liked West more than Ariana liked Tom Sandoval.

[B]

Also for me, I struggled. I struggled. Right. I struggled with Sierra Scandal because like, while it was terrible that this thing happened to Ariana, like I had a really hard time feeling bad for her and like seeing her as a victim, it's like, yeah, you have been riding for this serial narcissist evil and like it turned on you in a bad way. Like we all could have told you that, you know. And so like now this is my problem and I have to like root for you when it's been like. So I found, I feel like Sierra is a very sympathetic victim. Like she hasn't even committed one act of wrongdoing except like expecting more from west, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, like being hung up on this guy. I will.

[B]

But she's just a girl in that sense. Like I can't really falter. Like I get, I get it. I don't get Ariana living with that man.

[A]

For Ariana, it was less about heartbreak and more about betrayal. Like, you know, even if you didn't like Tom by the or love Tom by the end anymore, like still you're living in the same home as him. There's an understanding specta level. They're like doing it in her room in her hot tub. That's her friend. It's like, who can you trust anymore after that? That's really disorienting.

[B]

I think for Ciara, this is so devastating. Equal parts betrayal of the friend. But she's also still definitely in love with West. So I don't even know what she's more upset about, honestly. Yeah, probably West. If I had to imagine I think

[A]

it's the friend that. That your friend could be such a phony. Not even phony, because I'm going to again, give this girl the benefit of the doubt and say that this summer when she's there for Sierra the entire time and last summer, like, she means it and she's there for her. But to say a few months later, you're single, he's single, you start to identify that you have a crush on this guy. Sorry, that's not gonna work. Like, grow up. Ignore it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Especially for someone who, like, he. He. It's not like they are to. I mean, we should just get into the stories because I have so many thoughts and we're like, getting into that. But is there anything else that you want to say? Co journers Any truths?

[B]

I picked back up the season of Summer House last night on Peacock. I had to renew my Peacock, thanks to Scamanda.

[A]

Stop calling you that. You're making.

[B]

I can't. It's naturally coming to me. Sorry.

[A]

Like this. Amandal Mandeval Amandal West Mandel. West.

[B]

It sounds like Westeros. Like, I take a trip to West Mandel this weekend. Okay, I did want to say one thing outside of Scamanda that I wanted to share. I just wanted to remind everyone it is April Fools. So, like, your friends, family, and your favorite influencers, like, will be telling you that they're pregnant.

[A]

Do you know that you got got already?

[B]

Of course I do. You didn't read the chat this morning, but did you?

[A]

When you sent that in the chat, did you know that you had gotten got?

[B]

No, I got got really, really well. So Jackie's friend from college is the biggest fan of April Fools. It's something like she looks forward to every year. She plans her.

[A]

Everyone knows Dana.

[B]

Yeah, Dana from the redheads. Formerly redheads 1.0. She's obsessed. She plans them like weeks in advance, and she does it at like 6 or 7 in the morning. So she really always gets you. Because who wakes up and thinks it's April Fools now? I know, and I'll be on the lookout. But her. The key is her timing. So she texted me this morning a screenshot of Amy Schumer's Instagram story. And you know, fun fact about her is she is the biggest Amy Schumer fan on the it. So she texts me Amy Schumer's Instagram story. It's like a mirror picture of Amy. And she wrote, catching up on the masked singer girl with no job was incredible. So honored to have been mistaken for Her. And Dana goes, holy. I was like, oh, my God. What? Lol. Daniel goes, no, I'm not okay. My old co worker sent it to me, but then she took it down immediately. I was like, what? She said, no, it's insane. Like, are you okay? It doesn't get bigger than this. And I didn't answer. I. I was doing my hair. I saw the text from Dana coming through. So I didn't see those last two text messages, and she was obviously getting antsy. I said the screenshot to my family, and I was like, oh, it's like, a funny thing. Amy Schumer is so crazy. She's always posting, like, nutty stuff on Instagram. It was very believable.

[A]

Yes, it was.

[B]

So then Data facetimes, she's like, are you freaking out? I'm like, no. Like, Amy Schumer. I like, I know she listens to the toast a lot. Like, I. It's like, a nice thing. I'm like, I'm happy. I'm like, yeah, it's cool. And she was like, are you loving it, April? Oh, my God, you're so weird. Like. And I honestly, I couldn't even be mad. It was such a good prank.

[A]

It's so good. Again, you sent it to our chat. And I was like, she already tried to get me. And for two seconds, I believed what she wrote. And then I was like, okay, what

[B]

did she send you?

[A]

So she sent us a screenshot to our friend's chat, the same chat that Experienced shirt, alumni link gate. And it was like a Facebook status from one of the alumni being like, I'm still not over Jackie posting our alumni photo.

[B]

L O, L. Well, that's a good one.

[A]

It was good. Oh, my God. I was about to respond, like, seriously, I just have to own this. Like, it's whatever. And then I was like, oh, man, it's April Fools. But I didn't reply in the chat because I want the other girls to have an opportunity to experience it. So I already was aware it was April Fools. And I saw you sent to our family chat, which she had sent you. And I. I gave her the joy of letting her know that you sent it to our family chat. And, like, that's how, like, believed you. You.

[B]

Yeah, I totally believed it. It was a brilliant prank. And I have to say, I find the time if you're annoying. Like, even with west and Amanda, like, there is an element that I don't think anymore, but yesterday, I definitely thought it was a prank. And then the whole Buffalo wild wings, which we'll talk about. But I, like, I hate being on edge. Like, and it's so annoying. People now do it, like, days in advance, and I just. I hate it.

[A]

Yeah. And I will say, when real things

[B]

happen, it makes it annoying. Like, west and Amanda, like, last year is when Lauren Bostick launched her new toilet paper. And I said, jackie, it's a prank. Obviously, she wouldn't launch toilet paper. No, that's like, a fully a product that she sells. It's so annoying. Like, we need to banish it. But. But Dana really does it so perfectly. Her. Her pranks are so harmless, and they're funny, and, like, you don't feel stupid or embarrassed. I feel like a thing these days with, like, pranks is, like, you want to embarrass someone or scare them. Like, why'd you post that? And, like, that's not funny. Like, that's not what April Fools was meant for.

[A]

Yeah, it's true. And I don't like anything. You have the 24 hours of April Fools to make your joke. Brands, people, news organizations. So if west and Amanda were to be an April Fool's joke, I wouldn't say that's the most amazing April Fool's joke ever done, because it's been a week's long. That's not. Were fools.

[B]

No, of course. And I was texting with Tinks yesterday, and she. Because she. Well, she was. She got tagged in that Buffalo Wild Wings thing, and she was like, what if this is a prank? And so I put my. She was like, just think. I'm like, okay, if this is a prank, I'm annoyed. First of all, I would think these people are losers and dumb and, like, have no respect for themselves. Like, just to be famous or, like, get a sponsorship. Like, you would drag your entire name through the mud. Like, I would just. I would have literally no respect for you. Like, that's not, I think, like, a funny prank.

[A]

Yeah, but what if it's not a prank? What if it is, like, a brand? Part of a big sponsorship brand moment of this new flavor of Buffalo Wild Wings that we didn't expect to connect, but we can't help how we feel about this new flavor.

[B]

I'm gonna put myself in the position because I always say, like, there's nothing I wouldn't do for a check except for nudity. So let's say a brand came to me and was like, we want you

[A]

and Ben to, like, to tolerate rumors of a split. Tolerate rumors of a split, then play into them for one day without actually saying it. And then the next day we announce the new flavor.

[B]

I would do it. It's different. It would say not only are we, but Ben is also seen with Dana. Like that's like to me. No, actually it's so unbelievable that I would do it for the check.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

There are very, very few things I wouldn't do. Actually, I had to call Jackie last night because like I really don't turn stuff down. Like, yeah, this is, we gotta pay. This is an expensive studio.

[A]

And now we got something.

[B]

Dallas, of course something came through for us and I called Jackie. It's like we need permission to turn stuff down. Like don't turn stuff down. And I said, Jackie, we got pitched the craziest idea. You guys. Like, it was so nutty and you guys would have hated it. Yeah, you would have hated it, Jackie. And it was, it was like a really good amount of money, but it wasn't life changing. Sometimes the number's so high you just have to say, yeah, that's, that's happened. Whatever.

[A]

Have to tolerate.

[B]

You just have to tolerate it. You do this. I, I wouldn't make you guys sit through and like it was embarrassing to participate. Like, and it was a good amount of money, but it wasn't life changing. And after taxes and we have to split it and the commissions to everybody. Dear media. Like seriously, it's $3.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And also like most of the time, like I think they're really fun and good and, and like, and we can make anything. Yeah. I love our hand cream breaks. Like I would pay to have more of those.

[B]

I love our hand cream breaks.

[A]

So yeah.

[B]

Our hands are so dry.

[A]

All in all we did turn it down and I was totally aligned. So you're welcome for having spared you guys whatever that was.

[B]

Yeah, we'll tell you one day.

[A]

I will say the only thing that you're like Ben and Dana comparison is missing is like you guys are married 10 plus years. Like this is not that. So maybe they thought they could joke about it. I don't know. I'll just wait the day and then by midnight tonight I will be a complete believer. But I do still think there is a, I would say now 3% chance. Every hour that goes by on April Fool's, the percent chance goes down. But 3% chance that this is like a brand deal prank.

[B]

Still I think even less. Like I'm now of the mindset. Yesterday I was like almost convinced that it was fake, but I'm pretty sure it's not. And I'm going to operate on this episode as if everything is completely true. Although for anyone who doesn't know about the Buffalo wild wing, saying, we will share in the first story, which you should definitely get into because at this point, it's just confusing.

[A]

Yeah, let's get into all of it. Oh, also, I've been, oh, my God, my phone was blowing up yesterday. Like, you would think, like, I was on Summer House. I think a lot of people also, like, are really into Summer House and, like, don't have friends that also watch. They don't know, like, who to talk to about it. So I'm just, like, everyone's therapist about this. But they were also saying, like, I need someone to explain, like, to my husband why this is such a big deal. So I think we need to start from the top when we do the story that we're about to do in the fast five stories that you do need to know and the Fast 5

[B]

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[A]

Great, thank you.

[B]

Go to start, I might intonation like didn't give end, you know, it just wasn't giving conclusive.

[A]

I just checked my phone and Dima told me the prank she did for

[B]

Josh for April Fool's husband. Oh, she told me it was so funny.

[A]

She's neighbors with Frank Catania, which is

[B]

just a fun fact about her, which is a fun.

[A]

And they're like neighbor friends. So she like faked a phone call with Frank Catania like, that they were coming over for Seder tonight. She started like, bringing up chairs from the basement while.

[B]

Actually, that's a really good one.

[A]

Frank is coming for Seder now.

[B]

He, like, that's a dream.

[A]

Dream. Maybe he will. Maybe he'll hear this and he'll pop over.

[B]

I just want to let everyone know we are recording at the crack of dawn and we have been told, like, to be alerted if anything comes out about. Because of course, the timing yesterday couldn't have been worse. We do a whole episode, like, is it real? Is it real? Is real. Maybe 20 minutes after our episode dropped. It's real.

[A]

I had to, I had to try and be most.

[B]

Up to you.

[A]

I'm glad I got all of my thoughts out yesterday in, like, anticipation of knowing the truth. Because, like, like I said, I can't believe a person. I. I refuse to believe a person would be so, like, self destructive. Self destructive and self indulgent. Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyways, here's the story and before, before

[B]

we start from the top, I just want to say, like, unequivocally, Team Sierra. Right? But I feel like as podcasters and just as people, I try to learn, you know, always and what. One of the takeaways I remember feeling from Scandival was like, of course I didn't feel bad for Raquel. It was very much like the consequences of her own actions. But, like, at what point is it too much? Right? Like, she's, she's a person who didn't kill anyone. Like, she made just a very bad

[A]

mistake over and over and over again.

[B]

Over and. Yeah. And I felt like towards the end, like we were beating a dead horse a little bit and we're so not there yet.

[A]

I just want to be that way. Do you feel that way about Sandoval?

[B]

No. No, I don't. I don't know. Why. Yeah. I just feel like anybody who's getting the wrath and she's wrong, like, in terms of the situation, I just get like, scared and sad for the person. I'm an empathia who's like, getting. I've been on the. Except of a smaller scale.

[A]

Except. Not Sandoval.

[B]

No, not Sandoval. Because there are people who are truly evil. I don't believe Amanda's evil. I think she's not smart or loyal. And yes, self indulgent is the perfect word for it, but I don't think she's a evil person. So I don't know. I just get conflicted because I am like an empath. But she's wrong and we hate her.

[A]

Yeah, no, I. I didn't say that.

[B]

That's what you want me to say?

[A]

I don't have to hate her. I don't have to have such strong feelings about this. This isn't my life. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, Right, right, right.

[A]

And it's not like I was ever, like, love, love my identity in her. Are these people so, like, I don't have to have the equal and opposite reaction. I guess if, like, you have your identity wrapped up in these people, like, you'll have really strong feelings about it. But, like, I don't. So I'm like, damn, you shouldn't have done that. Tea. The tea is hot.

[B]

Let's start from the top. For anyone who might not watch Summer House and know what it is, it's a reality show on Bravo where people

[A]

like young, hot, Jersey, Shore of the Hamptons, way less energy.

[B]

It's been on for many seasons and only has really gotten popular in the last three years. It was actually, like, the shittiest, most janky show in the beginning, and pretty much everyone who was on it at once is no longer on it, except for Kyle and Amanda, who were very much like, the center of the friend group that the show was built on. She came in as his girlfriend, then fiance, then wife, and if you watched even one episode, you would know that they were probably the most poorly matched couple. He was just, first of all, not loyal to her. She, like, didn't seem to care enough to, you know, demand any real change from him because he's very much the same guy. Say what you want about him, but he's very consistent. The same. The guy we met on season one is the same guy who was yelling at his wife last week.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Party animal. Life of the party. High highs, low lows.

[B]

People in the hat, in the cast and friends and. And people who watch the show have long, like, wanted Amanda to be free from this relationship. They love her.

[A]

Every season, like, the relationship is going through it on the show. And then we see the reunion and the rest of the year. Obviously, the other 10 months of the year, they're in therapy, doing better than ever, and we'll see you next summer. And that's what it's really super fixed. Rinse and repeat for the last 10 years. I don't know how long the show's gone, but five, six years since they got married. And then this summer was right before this season came out. It was announced that they were divorcing. And it wasn't really a shock to anyone. More so just a shock that they were actually finally doing it.

[B]

And the fandom really rejoiced. Like, the messaging was very much, Amanda is free. And she was on this path that's sort of been carved out by Ariana Maddox in the last couple of years where it's like you're a scorned woman from a Bravo show and you go on to eclipse that Bravo show. You get brand deals, opportunities, commercials, hosting gigs. And it was clearly like that, that trajectory that she was on until this scandal. Now, the other players are two people named west and Sierra. Sierra's really good friends with Amanda.

[A]

Best friends.

[B]

Yeah. And west is one of the newer castmates on the show. And in his first season, he entered the house for the summer and him and Sierra, like, quickly entered will they, won't they? And by the time summer ended, we caught up with them at the reunion. They had been in a full blown relationship. She was going to Missouri to meet his family. She was deeply, deeply in love with him and he was new to the scene. And at the reunion, he shared that they had broken up. And she was really, like, devastated one because she kind of delivered one of the most heartbreaking monologues I rewatched on Tick Tock yesterday about how she is sort of a traditional girl and she really does not have sex with people. Like, she's like, I'm sorry, but that really means something to me. I'm just not one of those people who can give myself physically and not just be completely invested, which was actually really refreshing to hear on reality tv. And it was just devastating because the reason he had ended up breaking up with her was that it was his first season on reality TV and he was blowing up and he just felt like he couldn't be bogged down by this relationship and he wanted to explore all opportunities. He was like, getting all these DMs and these watch parties and it was a really fudgeing bad look for him. It's like you're giving up on, like an actual true romantic interest and an opportunity with a girl who's like, so lovely and beautiful and loves you so much for what dms like. It was the most disappointing thing he could have done.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the fandom really turned on him, and he's sort of been working his way out of this hole for the last two seasons. And I will say I do believe he successfully rebounded. It did take a while, but Sierra, like, never forgave him and was still really hung up on him. So the last two seasons since their breakup have also been, like, you know, her forgiving him and clearly just being so. Still hung up on him and having to work through that while also being mad at him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this season, I think was leading up before this, leading people to think, like, maybe there was a chance they were getting back together. Dumois said that they were spotted, so I think we all thought they were on track to, like, try again.

[A]

Yeah. They've been flirting this season. Like, you see her, like, really try and forgive him and also struggle with her feelings of, like, still having feelings for him and, like, how shitty that is because of what he did. But then he also.

[B]

She felt so embarrassed by it.

[A]

Yeah. And she. He's also starting to say, like, he thinks she's great, but, like, he won't say anything. Actually, of. Of import, you know, I think she's cool. I really like her.

[B]

I like how I feel around her,

[A]

you know, not like, listen, I'm sorry. I want to do this right this time. So, like, always just giving her, like, half ass, half like, I like you, but, like, not enough to give you what you want.

[B]

West's best friend in the house named Jesse is also really hung up on Sierra, and I haven't seen the episodes yet. What is West's reaction to that? Like, the makeout thing?

[A]

Yeah, I think he, like, said it was okay, but then everybody else was like, that's really weird.

[B]

Yeah. So if you're watching with, like, a very keen eye, it doesn't really look like. But maybe he's just not like that. Like, unless he's behind closed ears. It does feel like she likes him more than he likes her.

[A]

Yes. But also, I could imagine a world where he was thinking, like, of course I don't want my buddy to make out with Sierra, but, like, if that would make Sierra happy. I think he just wants her to be happy and, like, not be. Like, if I think for him, it's like, if she moved on, she wouldn't hate him so much and that would be good for him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, so I think he wouldn't ever stop her from moving on.

[B]

Right. The season is airing now that was filmed last summer, and Then a couple of weeks ago, we told you guys this yesterday. Dumois a couple of whispers. This rumor just starts very small and then becomes fact in the matter of, like, a week that West, Sierra's ex, is seeing Amanda, the girl who just got divorced, who's best friends with Sierra.

[A]

Not to mention, let's we not forget that Kyle and West are also really good friends. How's me? No, no, no.

[B]

But that's another part for Kyle. Such a bad.

[A]

But these are all people who are, like, best friends in a friend group and now have, like, traded partners in a shocking way.

[B]

Deeply entrenched with one another. Romantically, platonically, very business. You know, a lot of them are business together.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It's so crazy. And the. I don't even know what the craziest part is. I think it's really. For me, it's obviously, it's the shock that Amanda, because the track that she was on, she kind of got away. Everyone was, like, championing her. Like, she's free. She's free. And I just remember thinking, like, why are we, like, champion? Like, she's. Nobody forced her to get married. I just remember thinking, I'm like, she's just about to become so famous and so rich. For what, having bad taste in men. And then 10 years later deciding, like, she. To me, she wasn't like, no. And it's easy to champion.

[A]

If you love Amanda, like, why can't you give her brand deals and champion her when she's married? Why does she have. Why does someone have to get divorced for you to, like, care about them and want them to do well?

[B]

And so I find it so shocking that, like, she would obviously the betrayal, right? Like, Sierra's her best friend in the whole world, and you've watched her for the last two years literally cry in your bed about this guy. So, like, how you could truly be so, like, thoughtless. Thoughtless little pig.

[A]

That's an Alec Baldwin reference for you.

[B]

I'm not calling her that.

[A]

For the husbands and boyfriends listening, obviously,

[B]

the betrayal is, like, what's most glaring. But, like, when I really look at it, like, psychologically, like, you would really give up not only a best friend, but, like, all this opportunity, right? You clearly want to be famous. You've wrote it out on this show since the very beginning. And there were dark years where three people were watching and two of them were Taylor Strecker and Taylor Donahue. Okay. Like, literally, it's cool now to watch Summer House. It was not cool. And you got embarrassed on tv you got cheated on on tv. You got yelled like you obviously yearn for a career in this. You would give up all of that and your best friend, like a de real friendship for what? A guy who Dumoises is also seeing two other people, right?

[A]

So like for a feeling that you have because it's not like they're in love and they're going to be together.

[B]

Like they wouldn't even say relationship in their joint statement.

[A]

This is the joint statement and this is like what's actually really confusing and where I feel like she maybe had an opportunity to say something of import and she didn't. But also the statement is very vague and leaves room for it being a new Buffalo White.

[B]

Say west. Yeah, she's pronouns.

[A]

They both posted the same statement yesterday. It says, we've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything. Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show, we needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We've shown up for each other as friends over the years through all the highs and lows and what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection grew out of a genuine long standing friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach with this career. As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. You will get no understanding and no respect, especially not with this statement because like basically she's putting out the statement and if we're putting the pieces of the puzzle together, they've been sort of seeing each other for a few weeks. This probably happened like after the new year and it's like new and we have a crush and we're like acting on our feelings. Meanwhile, he's also been seen with other girls. So it's nothing exclusive or anything. And for me I'm just like, okay, this is your best friend Sierra. Doing this will hurt her so badly. It will absolutely ruin your relationship with her. It will ruin your reputation and professional and your place on the show and just like everything in your name and,

[B]

and, and all the other castmates too. Like they like, like you're not only losing your friend and Sarah, I do believe you're gonna lose a lot.

[A]

Yeah, a lot.

[B]

The rest of the Cast.

[A]

So you're gonna do all of that because you have feelings for this guy. And if you have just like, oh, I feel like, oh, I'm feeling like I have a crush on West. Like, you could, you know, like, just not act on that. You could. Unless it's like, this big, great love and you're emotionally, like, distraught over it, and you're like, this is my person. And if that's the case, say that. Write a statement from the heart and

[B]

say, yeah, this is the last connection.

[A]

This is the last thing I ever expected to happen. I wish that I had these feelings for anyone other than this person. But I cannot help how we both feel. And, like, profess your love for him and stand on that and give us no choice but to believe that you two have to be together.

[B]

Right? Like a romantic pov, because this.

[A]

You have any other choice. Oh, you have a connection that developed womp. Yeah.

[B]

It's so much to throw away for what you're not even calling a boyfriend, right? And this is someone who has a reputation for being, like, a fuck boy, not settling down. And so it's only furthering that for me. I'm like, well, is he even, like, stopping seeing other people? Which, according to De Moi, he's not.

[A]

And hot take. If you're gonna end up with west, you should have just stayed married to Kyle because they're the same younger, same person. Life of the party, reality TV star. Everybody loves him. And, yeah, Kyle's just now 10 years older and it's not aging well, and it's sadder. And he's doing the same things, but he's older and he has more pressure and he wants to have a family, but he needs his business. That's going to be west in 10 years. So, like, really, they're the same person. You should have stayed married.

[B]

Absolutely. Also, another part of this that's just so crazy is the page of it all. Like, I think a lot of people are wondering. And I feel like Hannah Burner posted an ad yesterday right after the statement came out. It was a hilarious ad. Like, yeah, it was for, like, wipes for your butt. Like, of course it was. And Paige commented, like, a couple times, like, about how great the ad was because she did, like, a funny skit. And then she was like, I guess we're all just posting crazy things on the Internet today. Like, very much giving. I'm also done with Amanda. So that's Amanda giving up to, like, ride or die. Lifelong friends for a connection. They have to get married. That's the thing if they want to save their reputation.

[A]

Because that's all she has now. Now this is all she has, is her connection with Wise. That's all you have. Because you don't have your friends, you don't have your career like you did. You might not. Who even knows what's happening with the show? They're saying productions on pause. I don't believe that for one second. Get your cameras up.

[B]

If. I mean, they picked up cameras when Craig and Paige broke up. This is.

[A]

So if you're not filming this, what

[B]

are you filming 1000% for the city or whatever for?

[A]

Yeah, anything. Like, this is the most interesting thing that's happened on TV since Scandal, but before Scandal, like this. This is up there. I mean, it's Taylor, Frankie, Paul level. Like, it's the craziest thing that's ever happened. And for all of these reasons that we're saying is why I still. Slim chance, think it's a brand thing.

[B]

Talk about Buffalo Wild Wings. About two hours before the joint statement was released, Buffalo Wild Wings, who in the last month have done individual partnerships like commercials with Amanda and West. Bww Buffalo Wild Wings. They posted on their Instagram just like a yellow square with black text that said a bww, a Buffalo Wild Wings. But then everyone was like a B W W Amanda Batula, West Wilson. They also tagged, like, 10 Bravo accounts and tinks. And Tinks was commenting like, hi, love your wings. Why'd you tag me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so a lot of people thought it was like an Easter egg. Because then the statement came out. They both are Buffalo Wild Wings spokesperson. And I'm not gonna lie, when I saw that I was fucking spiraling, I was like, there is no way. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. But then I was, like, disappointed because we're all getting so emotionally invested in this. And, like, I'm like, you're kidding me. For wings?

[A]

Yeah. No. And then when you go back and read the statement through the lens of a new Buffalo Wild Wings flavor, like, it is possible. Right?

[B]

Because she doesn't say West. She talks about, like, you know, feelings. Maybe she loves the wings.

[A]

Maybe she. She didn't know that you could have, like, a spicy wing with a sweet and sour. Yeah. And we didn't expect this connection to develop, but it's the best one ever.

[B]

And then I got sent a picture of Sierra sitting on the sidewalk in the meatpacking district, crying. And I was like, oh, this is even more staged. Because why would she receive the news outside and have A breakdown outside. She obviously has known about this for, like, at least a couple of days. She didn't find out with the world because I just don't believe.

[A]

No. And Amazon Live and. And she stopped liking the pictures. She didn't find out yesterday. If we all. By the way, we've all, like, been circling these rumors. She obviously saw the rumors when they first dropped. And if.

[B]

She probably just asked.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

So even if she was outside, like, she didn't know the statement was coming out. Like, I just thought the breakdown on the side of the street was so obviously staged. I'm like, oh, my God. This is a really elaborate Buffalo Wild Wings camp.

[A]

Yeah. Like, she's got her own flavor, too.

[B]

She likes ranch. You know, like something. I don't know. And I was like. But with those two things together, I'm like, this is. I feel so stupid. I feel taken advantage of. Like, I got mad and I'm like, this is a good way to, like, harbor really resentment for Buffalo Wild Wings. I'll never set foot. I never have, but I never will. Then a lot of time passed and page six started posting, like, different pictures of her crying. And I just thought it was, like, too convenient that, like, 20 minutes after the statement, I get a picture, you know, Like, I just didn't think it was real.

[A]

Yeah. And if she has known about this and known it's true for a couple days or weeks, why is she breaking down at the exact moment that the news is public when this is not new to her? Maybe makes it real. But, like, I don't know. I just feel like what she already knew. So why now?

[B]

Yeah, two things I want to talk about. Edie Parker and Vanita. So let's talk about Vanita, who is a cast member on a different show called Southern Charm. And she's really good friends with Sierra. And so a lot of people have been, like, posting. We talked yesterday about Austin, like, subtly. Lindsay Hubbard, subtly, like, nodding to this being true and, like, you know, expressing their disapproval. But Vanita came out just like, like, straight. Like, I really appreciated her. Not like a gif or whatever. Like, she was like, I'm talking about you, Amanda. And she was, like, really crazy to, like, release a joint statement when you haven't even apologized to your friend.

[A]

But I guess that tracks. I think she said. Yeah, she didn't say anyone's name. It could have been about the cholula.

[B]

I don't even know other flavors she has. Right. Spicy. Spicy. I don't know. Flavors.

[A]

No flavors. Yeah. And then Edie Parker.

[B]

So Amanda, like, you know, like we said, she was on. On track to be the belle of the ball. Our animatics 2.0. And one of the things that she was doing, she was a Tropicana spokesperson. She was also doing a big campaign with Edie Parker with like, which is like, a luxury handbag company. And also they, like, sell lighters. And a lot of their platform is, like, legalizing cannabis.

[A]

Yeah. They have, like, a lot of, like, weed paraphernalia. Yeah.

[B]

And that's like, her thing now. Pothead.

[A]

Oh, because he said she doesn't let her smoke pot. Yeah, he just said that she smokes every night. So then she got like, a weed fashion campaign. Makes sense.

[B]

She got, like, a modeling campaign. I don't know what they were selling. She, like, had her boobs out in her hair and rollers and she was smoking a joint. I didn't see anything.

[A]

T shirts that the proceeds of which, like, go towards legalizing marijuana legislation.

[B]

I'm really glad that she's using her platform for what's important. Like, that's really great. I think.

[A]

I know it's T shirts with the proceeds going too blank, but I do think it has to do with, like, something for weed. Yeah. You know what?

[B]

Yesterday they. The campaign had already been released. They, like, took it down. I guess they dropped her and then posted, like, a janky iPhone photo of someone else wearing the T shirt being, like, same shirt, new model. And I just want to say that might be one of the top 10 loser things I've ever seen a company do. I haven't bought an Edie Parker handbag in a while, but, like, I think it's so lame.

[A]

I thought it was lame too. I'm always genuinely shocked when people. People, like, get canceled and lose brand deals. I'm like, wait, really?

[B]

We're still doing.

[A]

Especially, like, the fallout from this Hadn't. Hasn't even really happened yet. I feel like, you know, mostly because people aren't sure if it's real. That took a while. It's been, like, very slow rollout. And it's like, maybe she won't continue to get booked in the way that she was, but, like, the dropping because she has a new man who's her friend's ex man. You know what I mean? Like, we can all be mad at her about it, but, like, ethically or, like, you know, in your morality clause, like, you just. You're a single person dating another single person. Like, we're mad because we know, but,

[B]

like, that's why the difference with scandal is like, if Tom, Scott Sandoval or Raquel were getting dropped from things, it's like, well, yes, you committed adultery. That's like, you know, the astronomer thing. Like, there is an element of wrongdoing. Like, there's a concrete thing.

[A]

You cheated.

[B]

This is more blurred lines because it's highly unethical. But, like, technically, no cheating, as far as we know, it's just something, you know, I wouldn't do. So to get dropped from a major campaign. I don't even know if this would include, like, a morality clause because technically she just made a bad choice in her. In her romantic life, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's just like we're all wrapped up in the feelings of it. But, like, she's still the same girl that you hired for the project who smokes weed. And. And by the way, it's for organization that works to redress the harms of cannabis criminalization through legal intervention, education, and criminal justice reform advocacy.

[B]

Oh, okay. That's better than what I thought it was. Now there's so many things I would like to. I need to know a little bit more about how Amanda told Sierra. Because while there's, like, no way that it could have gone well, there are better ways than other. And it's based on what Vanita said. It's giving. Like her. She just sort of took, like, a cowardly way out. Whereas, like, if she had sat her down. I don't know if there was ever a way that Sierra was going to be understanding, but there are better ways to go about it, and I imagine she just did it probably in the worst way.

[A]

Yeah, I guess there's no way the good way. But what if she had said to her, like, listen, if something like, I'm in love with. I have feelings for Wes. Like, I. I would like to explore them, but I don't want to lose your friendship. Like, is there any way that you could ever wrap your head around that? But you would have to be prepared for her to say no.

[B]

Yeah, and I keep going back to what you said. It's so true. Like, self indulgent. Like, okay, if it's the great love of your life, and I'm gonna operate under the assumption that it's not because they won't even say love or relationship

[A]

with someone else a couple weeks, weeks ago.

[B]

So to give up so much because you just can't, like, not kiss your crush who, like, probably is a fleeting crush and will disappoint you, like, self indulgent is the perfect word.

[A]

For it.

[B]

Like restrain yourself.

[A]

Yeah. Restrain yourself at your big age. Like, yeah. It you can compartmentalize feelings and you can like focus on a friendship with him. Even though, oh, I all pine for something more.

[B]

And maybe if years down the road it didn't. Sure. Fine.

[A]

And you know his track record too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like he is who coach is Sierra

[B]

through this whole thing.

[A]

Yeah. And he's done it. Even like Dara came on the show. She's one of West X and she's like, he's the best person in the world unless you're in love with him because he's great for like to everyone else in the whole world except for like being that person in a relationship.

[B]

And you know what's like pissing me off now is like a lot of the response from like people in the community. Like, they're just like. And you know what?

[A]

I always hated Claudia. I agree.

[B]

And you know what? Her bathing suits are ugly. It's like shut the up. Everybody was gassing her up. She couldn't do any wrong in the eyes. Like nobody has ever said a crossword. The only thing. And there are Jules Truthers. Do you know the Jules Truthers?

[A]

Jules Truthers.

[B]

What's the rules? One I told you guys, the seasons early seasons of summer house were extremely dark and actually terrible. Like unwatchable tv. And they had people coming in, coming out and they had a girl named Jules. Oh, it's a person watch this season.

[A]

It's not an E cigarette.

[B]

She clocked Amanda the second she walked in that house. And Amanda was so awful to her. Like if you go back and watch like now people are like so I will say the Jules Truthers can say if you haven't stopped talking about Jules, you can say you were always were on to Amanda. But up until recently it was like, slay mama, she's free. Buy my merch. I love your bathing suits. Like she could not do a single thing wrong. And now it's like I never anybody

[A]

who was saying, by the way, I never liked her. If you didn't say it when it was the unpopular thing to say. Shut the fuck up. I hate when people say, oh my God. Loser.

[B]

Loser. So loser.

[A]

She's been on TV for 10 years and oh, you didn't like her this whole time, but you never said anything until everyone tells you can say something. Shut up.

[B]

My fashion queen. Honestly, she has the ugliest outfits. Like shut up. But people are so.

[A]

I actually always say whatever's. I always thought she was a pick me. Well, why didn't you say it,

[B]

so shut up. Totally.

[A]

I saw that too. It's really bothering me.

[B]

Like, it's bothering me too. Like, because you didn't say it then and so, yeah, to say it now. Okay.

[A]

You're just, like, piling on and you're just piling on.

[B]

You're piling on. So there is a lot of piling on going on. And that's what I was trying to say at the top of the episode. Like, we can talk about this critically and, like, judge her choices, but, like, let's just, like, let's not go below. And the thing is, she doesn't even know what she's just given Sierra because the track that Amanda was on, which was like, lesser our animatics. What's about to happen to Sierra is going to be bigger than Ariana Maddox. She's going to be hosted. She's. People are saying she's going to be the next Bachelorette, although it is a conflict between NBC and abc. What? So, Sierra, I need you. I know right now is probably the lowest moment of your life. Like, you probably can't get out of bed. You can't stop crying. I want you to know, like, what Amanda has done for you is the biggest gift. That's what happened with Sandoval where it was like we couldn't even be mad at Ariana, Tom and Raquel anymore because look what they gave Ariana. A girl who's been on the show for 15 years and made not one singular impact. Like, seriously, probably the least interesting person on that show is now the most famous and successful person on the show through no fault of her own. Like, she didn't even earn. No, no, sorry. Not earn. You know what I mean?

[A]

No, she didn't do anything. It happened to her.

[B]

And so Ciara wasn't Ariana like, Sierra moves that show. You know, she's one of the favorites already. And now two people.

[A]

She's already, like, working. She was just on the red carpet hosting for Friends and Neighbors Crushes.

[B]

She's Victoria's Secret.

[A]

Right?

[B]

What's about to happen to her, like, is. And it was going to be Amanda's and now it's going to be even bigger and it's Sierra's. So Sierra, I know right now you're probably in hell. You have no idea what they've done for you. Like, you're about to be so rich and famous and that will carry you through the loss of one friend and a short guy. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It's really time to move on from him now.

[B]

It's just really crazy that these like self proclaimed girls. Girls have done like the most stereotypical. Like they let a guy come between them. Well, not they just Amanda, Claudia, the

[A]

what makes this actually more shocking than scandal is like Raquel and Tom were like dumb dumbs, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Like, right, right, right.

[A]

Ex. Like we what I expected were like sound of mind. Even west, like, he cares about his image.

[B]

Yeah. A lot.

[A]

Why would. He's also, like, he's putting his connection with Amanda like above his image and his opportunities. And that's why I feel like he broke up with Sierra because of these opportunities. Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really? You could be so narrow minded that I believe Raquel and Tom could be so narrow minded. I do. Yes. I don't. I don't believe it.

[B]

Well, that makes you think maybe he's in love with her and that's the only saving grace.

[A]

I think he's in love with her. I do.

[B]

So image obsessed to throw it all away.

[A]

I think he's in love with her today.

[B]

Jackie, what does this mean for the future of Summer House? It is approaching. They start filming July 1st. It's April.

[A]

Why are people talking like this is bad for the show? This is the most amazing thing that's ever happened.

[B]

I'm saying it's bad for the show,

[A]

but like for the future of Summer Houses if like, like there might not be a future.

[B]

No, I'm sorry. I mean in terms of who's going back in the house, does this get anyone kicked out of the house?

[A]

No, get them all in the house.

[B]

Unless Amanda doesn't want to, like, you

[A]

know, deal with it, see the consequences.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't think West's gonna turn down. I think Wes will be back in that house come hell or high water.

[B]

Climbed out of a hole before he can do it again.

[A]

Yeah. I think to Sierra.

[B]

Do they return together?

[A]

You know what? I think in the next few months, Sierra will have such a big boom in her career that she won't return.

[B]

She won't need the show and then

[A]

we can watch it. West and Amanda and actually, I think that would be, I guess, interesting. And Kyle.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like Kyle, like interacting with west and Amanda is like good entertainment. I don't know. I don't think he's heartbroken. Like, I think it was a loveless marriage. He's known west for two years. They're friends. It's not like this deep connection like the female friendships on Summer House. I think it could be like, funny and. Yeah, it could be a storyline. And they'll argue, But I don't think it's as serious as it is with Sierra.

[A]

I also think he's probably grateful for. For the distraction from his behavior because, like, in these two episodes recently, and I'm sure it gets worse and worse. Like, he's just really. He's spiraling. He's being really terrible, and, like, we're not talking about that. And I think, you know, him, you know, being with his mates, Mrs. And all this, it sort of, like, balances itself out. And maybe he could just, like, walk away.

[B]

In the same way that Sierra will ultimately be grateful to these two for doing what they did because she's about to take off. I do think Kyle is also can acknowledge it's the same thing that you said about the season of the bachelorette where there's definitely a guy on there who was about to be the villain and have his life ruined. And he's like, the unthinkable has happened, and his reputation has been saved. That's exactly. With Kyle Cook, the unthinkable has happened. Right. Like, they just blew up this friend group, and no one's thinking about the fact that he called her a dumb bitch.

[A]

And you could also make the argument on his behalf that what he's saying that he is frustrating him about Amanda is that she hangs out with everyone else. She's happy with everyone else, but, like, gives him nothing. And you could say, if you want to, that, like, she's at being flirty with Wes, that there's something developing, and, like, that's her husband, and she's doing it in front of his face, and that's how she's engaging with people. And, like, of course he's at the roof. Yeah.

[B]

No, you definitely could argue that if you wanted to.

[A]

Yeah. No, I'm. But I'm operating. I don't know why I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'm gonna say that these feelings are very new. Yeah. I don't know why.

[B]

Wait, there was one more thing.

[A]

Like, they're not. Don't you know when you like someone? I guess I've never had a friendship that turned into a crush. I've only just, like, seen people as, like, a romantic interest or platonic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. Because I just feel like from the moment you meet someone like you, you know, if, like, you really like them like, that.

[B]

This is also just further proof that, like, straight men and women cannot be friends 1000% there's anybody unnatural about her friendship with Wes. There's something very unnatural about A natural role. About Sierra's friendship with Jesse. He's in love with her. Like, sorry, boys and girls can't.

[A]

No. And anybody says we're like brother and sister, run from them.

[B]

Yeah, right. Because I know brothers. I know brothers and sisters like you. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Teresa and Joe Judice.

[A]

No. Like, you're not brothers unless you're brother and sister. With your DNA precluding you from getting together. You are not brother and sister.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And you're probably gonna screw.

[B]

The funny thing about this is that I was posting on my story, and my friend Rachel responded, and she's like. She watches Summerhouse like always from the beginning, but she's not chronically online. Like, she listens to the toast. She loves pop culture, but she's not chronically online at all. So she had never heard the rumors. So she's like, wait, who's this statement about?

[A]

Who is she dating?

[B]

I said, west. She goes, all caps. What? Like, it was so unfathomable. It was very interesting to, like, hear her react. She's like, I can't believe it. What do you mean? It has to not be true?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[B]

I'm like, no, I know.

[A]

We were driving to the air. Zach was driving the car, and I was all the way in the back, and I'm. That's when the statement came out, and I was like, amanda confirmed the rumors. I was like, I thought he was gonna crash, like, because he also.

[B]

It is so crazy.

[A]

He watches Summer House but isn't chronically online, so he's loose. I, like, told him about it a little bit, but I was like, oh, my God, baby. But you know me. I didn't believe it. So I'm like, it's definitely not true. And then I told him. I'm like, oh, my God, it's true. And he was like, what?

[B]

Insane?

[A]

Yeah. Crazy.

[B]

We'll come back to this. This will be a developing story. I don't know. Like, does Sierra do call her daddy? Like, what's next for Sierra?

[A]

Yeah, we'll see.

[B]

Maybe Sierra goes on Giggly Squad.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like that's why I don't know that she would do call her daddy because, like, her best friend.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That she could go on, but they

[B]

don't do interviews yet. And it would be very much like Paige taking a stand, which I don't know where Paige landed in all this, but I imagine it's firmly Team Sierra.

[A]

The ARC would bring her to call her daddy. It would. And I'm sure Alex, the prototype. I'm sure Alex is working overtime because, like, that's what we all need, you know?

[B]

Right. And that's very much what, like, call Her Daddy is now. I feel like for a while, they were focused more on, like, celebrity.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, traditional. And now it's, like, very reality TV focused.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, she's producing reality television, but also, I could see. I don't know why I feel like Sierra won't do Call Her Daddy maybe because of, like, Paige and Hannah having their own. Like. I don't know. I just don't see it. But I could see her having Amanda.

[B]

I mean, that would be very polarizing.

[A]

That would. But I would. I'd watch that.

[B]

I. I'll watch anything. Like, anything with this saga.

[A]

Have Wes start.

[B]

I didn't ever to start talking now.

[A]

Have Jesse. Have Lindsay Hubbard. I don't care.

[B]

I can't believe cameras are it up. This reunion's gonna be insane. It's. That's why it's so similar to Scandal, because the. The timeline, like, it came to a head at the reunion, which was seriously the craziest reunion of all time.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Have anyone. I agree. Like, please, just. Just start talking.

[B]

Yeah. This is, like, seriously all I have to live for these days. Okay,

[A]

are you ready for our next story? Ready as you could be. Sports Illustrated swimsuit just dropped another batch of models. Not the COVID I know they're really dragging it out, but I. I'm not gonna lie. Every couple days, I'm like, I wonder who's gonna be on the COVID Yes, I agree.

[B]

I've been thinking about it just randomly, like, in the shower.

[A]

I'm, like, very titillated and excited, and they're doing a good job, so I hope they don't fumble with who the COVID stars are. And there's, like, seven or whatever. Like, I hope there's just one. And it's Whoopi Goldberg.

[B]

Cracking. Who did I say Alyssa Lou.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It's kind of a good call, except she's really young. I don't think she should be, like, posing. Is she, like, underage?

[A]

Oh, I don't know. But that's just, like. That's not who it's gonna be.

[B]

Yeah, I know. It was a bad call. Sorry.

[A]

So here's who's in the new.

[B]

Oh, I just want to say, if my call was bad, yours is ten times worse.

[A]

No, Claudia, mine is inspired. Like, I'm sure they're kidding themselves that

[B]

they didn't think of it a thousand percent.

[A]

That's exactly who they want on the COVID So they just released seven new models that are in the issue. And of note, Alandria from Love island usa.

[B]

Great call. Body is Tea. She's an insane body. And she's so famous.

[A]

She's so famous. She's so gorgeous. We were like, she's a bikini icon from Love island usa. Yes. This is a no brainer. She should have been on the COVID Just saying.

[B]

Has anyone from Love island ever done it? Because it actually, like, I feel like Love island is an audition. It is for Sports Illustrated. They just walk around naked.

[A]

Yeah. And then also they announced Katie Austin, Kristen Goff, Gabby Moore, Jasmine Sanders, Jenna Sims, and Ellie Thuman. So a lot of those are like, rapes, classics, WAGs, etc.

[B]

Cute.

[A]

But Alandria is like, you know, obviously this is her first.

[B]

No, this. Honestly, they could have put her on the COVID That would have been like, a really, like, kind of bold choice.

[A]

Yeah. You know who would be great and maybe if she shot this year, like, which she might have shot anyway if Sierra, like, happened to have been in this issue. Well, I guess the issues went into print already.

[B]

Sarah Miller.

[A]

Sierra Miller. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Even though she is with Victoria's Secret and I don't believe you can do both, really. She's like a, like a brand ambassador. She has, like a long standing partnership with them.

[A]

Ms. Stopper Tune.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah.

[B]

Who is it gonna be?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It kind of seems like they're doing a good job also in choosing, like, every batch we see. I'm like, oh, that's really good. Like, I feel like there's a potential cover star in every batch. Are they choosing from the batch or someone totally new?

[A]

We don't know. And how many covers?

[B]

One. Please, please, please, please.

[A]

So hopefully we find out soon because, like, I do feel like I can't wait much longer.

[B]

I know. And these stories are just, like, annoying.

[A]

Yeah. But I'm happy for Alandria and, like, she needs to drop me too. She needs to drop the act with Nick.

[B]

She needs to drop Nick asap. What are they doing?

[A]

Is there one person on earth who truly believes they're together?

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Nickelandria. Twitter is. No, they don't derange.

[A]

Like, this is a business relationship.

[B]

So somebody called them business partners. And I think that's.

[A]

That's exactly what they are.

[B]

They at one point were stronger than together, than they were apart. But I do feel like now he really drags her down. He's like a DJ and like, does random club appearances and she's so fucking High fashion and so famous. Like, girl, get out. I think she's literally gonna be at the Met Ball. No.

[A]

And first of all, if she, like, ditches him and is single, she'll have her, like, single, single mom, and it's probably, like, precluding her from, like, pursuing relationships because everyone thinks she's. This is, like, the craziest thing ever. They need to give it up.

[B]

And with. With the Nicholas fans, I feel like I want to talk to you guys about.

[A]

You won't let her give it up?

[B]

No, of course not. The crazy thing is that they never were together on the show, except they tried to explore connection and they made out and they both agreed, like, it wasn't a good kiss. It wasn't a good. They're much better off as friends. And then just, like, conveniently so they could, like, make it to the end. Like, it was just, like, literally an agreement. And the fact that people seem to forget that and, like, believe that this is a true love. Who won? Amaya. Oh, my God.

[A]

I saw, like, a red carpet interview of her, like, yesterday. What?

[B]

I saw it also. Let's move on.

[A]

No, I just. Not even about her, but just, like, I think everybody voted for them so that just to stick it to, like, Ace and Shelly who wronged her and. Oh, yeah, whoever wrong Ace wrong. Everyone wronged her. And it's like, like, just stop doing that. Why don't we vote for, like, the couple that's actually together?

[B]

Iris and Pepe at the time, but now I stay. Iris and TJ are, like, so in love.

[A]

No, it's good that I honestly. I guess Nickelandrey should have won for, like, best scripted performance.

[B]

Correct. I'll be getting a razzie later today.

[A]

And then Hood and Chris.

[B]

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[A]

Thank you, episode Turt.

[B]

You're welcome.

[A]

Liz would just send us like a tweet that was really funny about Scamandival. And the handle of the user has me in tears. Satchel. Satchel.

[B]

Oh, I saw, like, Katie Maloney giving her statement. It's like, girl, we don't care.

[A]

Oh, my God. What's her statement?

[B]

Also, Ria, so. So Sierra had unfollowed Amanda and Wes, like, immediately. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Everyone's saying. But to, you know, negate about the prank idea that they unfollowed her and they said they blocked her. How do you know if someone blocks someone?

[B]

There's a way. Okay, but breaking news. Rihanna has unfollowed Amanda Batula. That's crazy. She has to marry west of, like, the list of things she has given. Exploring this connection never ends. A follow from Rihanna.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

Devastating.

[A]

Satchel Maloney. I want to hear from Satchel on this.

[B]

Satchel on Call her daddy. I love Satchel. Baloney.

[A]

Satchel and I forget that's why we call Margot Sachi Satchel. Because of Satchel from Vanderpump Rules. Katie Maloney's like one.

[B]

He's not from Vanderpump Rules. He had a cameo on like three episodes. The star.

[A]

When they did the reboot, they should have casted it around him.

[B]

Satchel and his friends. Satchel and company. I just want to let you know I've made an executive decision to move to your toasters.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

How could we do Dear Toasters. And we need to get this episode up.

[A]

Yeah. People need to know. Of course. Okay, our third story. Tiger Woods. My inspiration is breaking his silence after DUI charges and car crash. So Tiger woods tweeted, saying, I know and understand the seriousness of the situation I find myself in today. I'm stepping away for a period of time to seek treatment and focus on my health. This is necessary in order for me to prioritize my well being and work toward lasting recovery. I'm committed to taking the time needed to return in a healthier, stronger, and more focused place, both personally and professionally. I appreciate your understanding and support and ask for privacy for my family, loved ones and Myself at this time.

[B]

Like, once again, I personally, like, don't care about Tiger.

[A]

Right. So I'm honestly happy to give privacy

[B]

here because it's going to be that when easiest things I've ever done.

[A]

I don't give a. Amanda and Wes. Not so much.

[B]

Yeah. I like when people say, like, thank you in advance for your privacy and attention to this matter. And it's like, girl, I didn't agree to that.

[A]

No. And also it's like, in this situation. What a waste of words. Like, because that is never going to happen.

[B]

I just can't believe we're talking about Tiger woods at a time like this. You know what I mean? It's like, he should be so thankful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To Scamandaval.

[A]

Yeah. But he's got his own problems. Oh, also, do you see that people say, like, he's hooked on pills, probably from an injury, and then he.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I seem to have sick.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. Like, but they couldn't hire a driver.

[B]

Right. They couldn't even pay their rent. Right. It's like, there's quite literally no excuse. His obsession with driving. Like.

[A]

No, but he does.

[B]

It sounds like you.

[A]

Oh, my God. He does.

[B]

You're obsessed with driving.

[A]

I know, but he's like a teenage

[B]

girl who, like, just got her license and, like, wants to drive everywhere. The mom's like, I need eggs.

[A]

She's like, I'll go, yeah. That's not me, though. I'm never like, I wanna. I wanna.

[B]

That's Ben.

[A]

But I just.

[B]

That is been my husband. Like, I think it's also when we're always, like, in a house together, maybe

[A]

he likes to get out. I mean, I think that's normal.

[B]

I'm like, oh, my hair is kind of naughty. He's like, I'll go get your hairbrush. Like, yeah, Any excuse to get out of the house.

[A]

Yeah. We're like, cooking and we need. Oh, this could have used some basil. I'll get some.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's so grisly. Like, no, we didn't, like, need it. It just would have been a nice garnish. You don't have to run out for a garnish.

[B]

Ben is so crazy because he was working yesterday and I get a FaceTime from him and Kaylee Dickerson. Like, that's so bad. You know, Classic stuff. Yeah.

[A]

Are you ready for our fourth story?

[B]

Hopefully it's about Amanda and Kyle. I mean, I just, like, don't want to talk about it.

[A]

I agree. I. I genuinely don't want to talk about the other story. So I'm gonna bring up.

[B]

What are they.

[A]

I'm gonna bring up something about Amanda and Kyle that we haven't spoken about yet. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I'm just trying to like, how can I beat this horse anymore?

[A]

Well, we didn't talk about the Dave Portnoy of it all.

[B]

Yeah. So Dave Portnoy shared. He was like, I can't believe people are talking about this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This also was heard about it at the super bowl from Chicken Fries.

[A]

This was a column in the this is true column. Unless Dave Portnoy also has a flavor of wings coming out.

[B]

Right, right. That's was also leading us to believe perhaps this wasn't a elaborate brand.

[A]

Yeah. Because partnership. He like re posted the tweet breaking the news and was like, this is old news. Chicken Pie told me about it at the Super Bowl.

[B]

The Super.

[A]

So now was six weeks ago.

[B]

And I do believe that Brianna Chicken Fry is a trusted source in this because she very much runs in that crew with west and like, Fibula, they like all go out.

[A]

She is a friend of Wes, if not like an ex flame.

[B]

I thought they definitely had hooked up. They definitely thought it was a great, like actually get out of both of them. And she should have been on the show.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. But she did barstool, beach house, whatever.

[B]

And so this, I think also is leading a lot of people. And I think people are just eager to find more wrongdoings with them. And I think a lot of people want there to have been cheating and just like timeline issues with her divorce. When did she announce her divorce? I don't know, but they had said that they were living apart since October.

[A]

November.

[B]

Right. There were rumors around Bravo Con and they, like refused to admit it, but we now know that they were true. So let's say let's give them grace. November. He said that he found out of the super bowl, which is February. I do believe that's enough time for it to have been clean. Definitely crazy. Like quick to move on, but happens

[A]

all the January 20th.

[B]

By the way, Michaela Negara's dating January

[A]

20th is when they announced the Super bowl was like two, three weeks later. But yeah, they were so done for so long. Like, I don't think she could have been with someone the next day and I would have understood.

[B]

Do you know that Michaela Nagara has a boyfriend?

[A]

Of course she does, because she's a queen. Who wouldn't want to be around her?

[B]

Her high school sweetheart.

[A]

Oh, I love that for her.

[B]

Yeah, she was talking about it On

[A]

Tick Tock, rooting for her.

[B]

I think Michaela Nagara might be the thing to get you to download Tick Tock.

[A]

Oh, I follow her on ig, but she doesn't post a lot.

[B]

I'm cracking up. You follow her on Instagram? That's so funny.

[A]

I like, I did recently because I'm like, I want to support my faves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Also the thing with Amanda, it's like, girl, you need to heal. No.

[B]

Spend time.

[A]

I don't know what the. Isn't that what they say?

[B]

So I guess on a recent episode she talked a lot about how she's like, really low self esteem. And this is definitely the type of behavior and like self sabotage that you would expect from somebody with low self esteem. I think anybody who puts up with like the marriage she put up with either has low self esteem or that caused her to have low self esteem. But at a certain point, like, this is one of my, like all time favorite things to say is like, like, I hate when people like, act like they have no personal agency over their own life. And it's like, well, this happened and this happened.

[A]

It's like, okay, yeah. Also like, she just got out of a marriage that was like a long relationship. Even if you're feeling something for Wes, like, why don't you put that on the back?

[B]

Why do you have to act on it immediately?

[A]

Immediately. Focus on yourself, heal yourself, be alone. Find out things about yourself. And then maybe you wouldn't be interested in someone like Wes because he the same person you just left. But if you're still interested in him, then there's some breathing room and you could figure out like, the right way to deal with it.

[B]

What were the other two stories before

[A]

we wrote something about Chloe and Lamar from his documentary.

[B]

Okay, wait, the documentary? It actually looks really dark to the point where, like, I actually don't know if I want to watch it. It's just like really in depth about his addiction and like crazy stories of like, Kris Jenner picking him up from a crack house. Chloe talking about the smell of crack. Did you see that clip?

[A]

No, I. I actually feel like I do want to watch it. I just don't know if I'll get around to it. I feel like we always have questions about this period. He like, also talks about why they.

[B]

Oh, I think they're being very clear.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So it like sort of fills in all the blanks.

[B]

I heard Chloe tell this story. It was so crazy. She was like, once you've smelled crack, like, it is the most foul Disgusting smell. And she's like, I walked into my house, and I knew that he was smoking crack. And I believe this was after his overdose. He pretended to be mute. She was taking care of him, and he just pretended to be a lot worse than he was so he could stay living there and, like, work on getting drugs. And. And he had a cell phone. It's. They're opening up, like, deeply.

[A]

Wow. And he also shared, like, why he married Chloe. And remember, they got married really quickly and engaged really quickly. And he said his friend had said that he was doing it to try to, like, better his future because, like, the Kardashians know people and have connections. He said, I'm watching how she lives in their lifestyle. I'm like, this is how I want to live. He did love Chloe, but he had wanted to be on reality TV for a long time.

[B]

Time. Yikes. Oh, that's really sad. And it was his idea to pitch Chloe and Lamar the TV show. It was like he wanted his own show.

[A]

That makes me really sick.

[B]

I know. Like, overall, like, I respect his honesty, and I think that's, like, a huge part of recovery is, like, sharing the worst parts of yourself. But, like, I don't think that overwhelmingly this is a good look for him. And, like, no. If anything, it's crazy how much Chloe did for him, like, with no recognition behind closed doors for years.

[A]

No. She's an even bigger queen than we already knew. But, like, we knew that she does everything for everyone. But, like, like, the amount of, like, love and care that she.

[B]

Point.

[A]

While he was her husband and also while he was not.

[B]

Yeah. And while I believe he, like, kind of ruined Rob's life.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, he is my birthday buddy, but at a certain point, like, you just sort of have to.

[B]

That sort of has to, like, take it back. Like.

[A]

Yeah. You can't let that cloud your judgment of a person.

[B]

I struggle with it. I mean, me and Jessica Simpson.

[A]

Yeah. It's hard. Me and Sally Field, but she's Sally Field.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Ben was really excited when I told him Sally Field is my birthday buddy.

[B]

My husband.

[A]

Yeah. Because when he was on the toast, I told him they're making his book into a movie.

[B]

Whose book?

[A]

Ben's book. Remarkably, she's in it, and he thought that was. She's playing Tova. And he was thrilled with the casting news.

[B]

Who is Ben's birthday buddy? Oh, my God. This is so Ben. Eddie Murphy. He doesn't know that. He's gonna freak out. Out Alec Baldwin and Amanda Bynes.

[A]

Oh, I Love him.

[B]

And of course, wildlife preservationist Jane Goodall.

[A]

Okay, that's pretty good. I'm gonna go look at mine again to see if anybody like, oh, Emma Stone is my birthday buddy, but she wasn't famous when I was growing up.

[B]

Do you remember Jane Goodall? What?

[A]

Another birthday buddy of mine? You're gonna flip.

[B]

I feel like hearing people talk about their birthday buddies is like hearing people talk about their dreams.

[A]

Like, I'm only sharing relevant ones.

[B]

Claudia, you're gonna flip Satchel June.

[A]

Squib.

[B]

Wait, wait, what? Yeah, I just. I wanted to say something, but you weren't, like, looking at your iPad, so. Let me know when you're ready.

[A]

I'm sorry. Arturo Sandoval is my birthday buddy.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Arturo Sandoval.

[B]

Who's that?

[A]

He's a Cuban jazz trumpeter.

[B]

Oh, I thought you were like, joke. I thought you were being fro back to Jane Goodall really briefly. Like a fun fact that I feel like not enough people talk about. It's like Jane Goodall went on call her daddy. Listen, I feel like after Alex left Barstool and then like, Sophia, she was having. She like, needed to find. And I think she's definitely found, like, her niche and, like, where she's at. But I think she definitely, like, took a couple of different creative avenues, which everyone goes through.

[A]

True.

[B]

And one of them was having Jane Goodall on, and I think that's sick. Honestly, both Jane Goodall and Colton Underwood and Huda Mustafa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like the breath and here's hoping.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, let's get this episode up so everyone can enjoy every all of our Jewish listeners. Hope you guys have an amazing Passover Zis and Pesach. Good luck on the carbless journey. Is it also Easter?

[A]

I believe it's easier this weekend. Hoppy Easter.

[B]

Happy Easter. Love you all. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast Millennium morning show where we deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday, Friday and YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube. Please don't forget to subscribe. Give this video a thumbs up. Also Bells podcast. Yeah, you know the. Love you all. Bye.

[A]

Love ya. Bye.

[B]

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