With Love Wednesday: Wednesday, March 5th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast – With Love Wednesday, March 5th, 2025

Hosted by Claudia Oshry and Jackie Oshry

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1. Ruby Frankie Documentary Analysis

Claudia Oshry opens the discussion by expressing her disdain for the "Ruby Frankie" documentary, which delves into the dark saga of Ruby Frankie, a former mommy vlogger whose life spiraled into severe abuse and criminal activities.

• Claudia (00:54): "I met a new woman to hate last night. Her name is Ruby Frankie... I hate this."

The hosts dissect the portrayal of Ruby Frankie, highlighting the evolution from seemingly light abuse on social media to the horrific physical abuse of her youngest children. Claudia criticizes the show for not fully addressing the underlying issues that led to Ruby's descent.

• Claudia (02:28): "It made it seem like... she couldn't have gotten to that place without... every episode is a guest. You and I were like, ugh."

Jackie Oshry questions the impact of the family channel on Ruby’s behavior, suggesting that the platform amplified her abusive tendencies.

• Jackie (01:35): "Well, here's my question. Because she abused her children, right? So why is that, like, a referendum on other people's family channels if, like, this woman is abusive?"

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2. Megan’s Cooking Show Critique

Claudia and Jackie shift their focus to Megan’s newly premiered cooking show, "With Love Megan," which has sparked mixed reviews.

Claudia (14:36): "We have started the process of watching, as Claudia said, she watched one episode. I watched four episodes. I've been very excited for this show..."

The hosts critique the lack of structure and personal connection in Megan’s show, pointing out that while some recipes are inspiring, the absence of authentic storytelling and personal anecdotes diminishes its impact.

• Jackie (17:16): "The core issue with this show is that there's no, like, reason for it. Like other shows are Martha Stewart. She is teaching us something. She is an educator."

Claudia suggests that Megan’s tendency to focus on aesthetical elements over substantive content makes the show feel superficial.

• Claudia (19:28): "It's really meant to be, like, part aesthetic. And if you don't look too much into it, like, it's a beautiful woman in a beautiful home doing beautiful things."

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3. Jax Taylor’s Admission of Cocaine Addiction

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Jax Taylor’s recent revelation about his cocaine addiction.

Jackie (38:44): "What's the reason for his divorce. It's the reason for his marital issues. It's the reason, you know, for a lot of different things going wrong in his life."

Jax shares his struggles with addiction on Bravo's "Hot Mic" podcast, highlighting his 83 days of sobriety and the challenges of overcoming substance abuse.

• Jax Taylor (39:25): "This is tough to say. I'm an addict. I have substance issues, primarily with cocaine." (Referenced in discussion)

Claudia expresses sympathy towards Jax, emphasizing the difficulty of his journey and criticizing the lack of support he receives from the public.

• Claudia (40:25): "He was like, doing a lot of Adderall... he apparently didn't give up on it like others did."

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4. Gabby Windy’s Secret Marriage

The hosts introduce Gabby Windy, a reality TV star from "The Bachelorette," who recently married her writer and comedian girlfriend, Robbie Hoffman, in a secret Las Vegas ceremony.

• Claudia (43:02): "Gabby and Robbie are forever. She is now a married woman after wedding her writer and comedian girlfriend in a secret ceremony held in January."

Claudia and Jackie celebrate Gabby’s union, noting the authenticity and happiness it brings despite the secrecy surrounding the wedding.

• Claudia (43:32): "They've been dating now for, like, two years, so it's a legit thing."

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5. Kristen Cavallari’s Return to Reality TV

Jackie Oshry announces Kristen Cavallari’s new reality series, "Honestly Cavallari: The Tour," which follows her podcast tour.

• Jackie (49:23): "Kristen Cavallari is returning to reality TV with a new E series called Honestly Cavallari the Tour..."

Claudia praises the concept, comparing it to the "SmartLess" podcast, and expresses excitement about Kristen’s return to television.

• Claudia (51:22): "She's had multiple successful reality TV shows. It's her."

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6. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Recap

The discussion shifts to the latest episodes of "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills," which Claudia finds largely unengaging except for moments involving characters like Kathy.

• Claudia (62:05): "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was probably one of the most pointless episodes of television I've watched."

Jackie adds that Kathy’s antics, such as accidentally walking on the runway, provide some entertainment value amidst an otherwise lackluster episode.

• Jackie (63:27): "She was walking to the back because she obviously thought this was, like, some low budget, loser ass production."

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7. Final Thoughts on the Ruby Frankie Documentary

Returning to the "Ruby Frankie" documentary, Claudia provides a detailed breakdown of the family's descent into abuse and Ruby’s manipulation through influence from her business partner, Jody.

• Claudia (66:22): "Ruby Frank and Her business partner, Jody, who both were the abusers, are both serving up to 30 years in prison."

She criticizes the family's naivety and the father's failure to recognize the abuse, highlighting the devastating impact on the children.

• Jackie (73:30): "And the husband isn't in the picture."

Claudia underscores the ongoing custody battles and the uncertain future for the youngest children, advocating for better legal protections.

• Claudia (71:31): "The mom and Jody both went to prison. But what happened to those two kids?"

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Concluding Remarks

Claudia and Jackie wrap up the episode by expressing their anticipation for upcoming show recaps, including "Summer House," and encourage listeners to stay tuned for future episodes.

• Claudia (75:43): "That's our show. You guys make sure to come back tomorrow."
• Jackie (75:43): "We've got summer house recap."

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Notable Quotes

• Claudia Oshry (00:54): "Ruby Frankie is so awful, and her ugly, bald, fat, stupid husband..."
• Jackie Oshry (17:16): "It's like, can your kid, like, go through a moment by himself?"
• Claudia Oshry (19:28): "It's really meant to be, like, part aesthetic."
• Jackie Oshry (20:11): "A talk show. Yeah. Like, that's actually a good call."
• Claudia Oshry (42:53): "She's trying to make a living while being a mom in Montecito."
• Jackie Oshry (73:30): "Are you ready for our next story?"

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This episode of The Toast provided a deep dive into the controversial "Ruby Frankie" documentary, critical analysis of Megan's cooking show, heartfelt discussions on Jax Taylor’s addiction, celebratory news about Gabby Windy’s marriage, and updates on other reality TV personalities. Claudia and Jackie balanced their critiques with empathy and humor, offering listeners a comprehensive overview of current entertainment news.

Transcript

[Claudia Oshry]

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's your favorite show, the Fast 5.

[Jackie Oshry]

Things you need to know.

[Claudia Oshry]

We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

I sound amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Wednesday. Hope everybody's having a gargy party. Hump day. Speaking of somebody I'd love to hump, but who would never let me get that not a day in your life is Jacqueline Foley.

[Jackie Oshry]

Hello, Turtle Lou. It is a lovely hump day. A Wednesday, a with love Wednesday.

[Claudia Oshry]

For you, it's a with love Wednesday. For me, it's a woman hating Wednesday. And that woman.

[Jackie Oshry]

How is this woman hating Wednesday different from all other woman hating Wednesdays?

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm so glad you asked. I met a new woman to hate last night. Her name is Ruby. Frankie, obviously. Like, I've heard about the saga on social media. I had no idea, like, what it was really about. And holy shit, I watched a documentary last night, Shout out to Hulu for making three normal length episodes and teaching me everything that I could watch in one night. Like, I appreciate that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, Ashley Madison.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. Oh, my God, it was so upsetting. I actually don't even think I would recommend you to watch it. Although now I'm thinking a lot of things about, like, children on the Internet family channels that I think you probably. Probably have a lot of interesting thoughts on too, but I hate this. And her ugly, bald, fat, stupid husband.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, here's my question. Because she abused her children, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

So why is that, like, a referendum on other people's family channels if, like, this woman is abusive and it's not just like, yes, she also put her kids on her channel, but, like, the crime is the abuse.

[Claudia Oshry]

So the funny thing is, is that like, the really. The only episode that focused on the really heinous, like, physical abuse, Starving, tying up her kids, leaving them out in the sun in Utah in the middle of the desert for days on end, no food. Like, that was in the third episode. But the first two episodes, they have the two older kids talking about life growing up on a family channel and how it made her really crazy. And she was. She was like, abusive light, you know, like yelling a lot and hitting the kids, but not even close to what she ended up doing to the younger kids once the older kids moved out of the house. Like, so it. It made it seem like. But. But she couldn't have gotten to that place without.

[Jackie Oshry]

Without the family channel being a family channel.

[Claudia Oshry]

And also, like, you just talked about it was nice to hear from, like, grown up kids what it was like to grow up, like with a camera in your face. And she. They had so much footage, Jackie. I guess the family turned over, like, all the hard drives. So she's like, this is all footage that was left on the cutting room floor. So she's like thumbnail smile and she's like, if you don't smile, like, she's fudgeing crazy. And like, you see all that. That was most of the footage. Just her, like, not getting what she needs from people and like threatening them. And the funny thing is, is that I guess, like, if you were following her family, Channel 8 passengers, that was the name because they had six kids. You kind of knew that she was an abuser, which is so crazy because one time she was just a family channel, family channel, all fun, fun, fun, fun, la, la, la. Until she shared and she thought it was fine because she's so crazy. She shared that, like, they punished their oldest son by taking his bedroom away for seven months that he slept on a beanbag in the basement. And people were like, it's like, not a normal punishment. And people are like, this is kind of borderline abuse. And so that if you were following, like, you were really on to it. But even just the level before the abuse, like, that, they were talking about their kids online. Like, Chad, the older son, like, had some behavioral issues and he got expelled from school. And she's like talking about him being expelled and what their plans are. It's like, can your kid, like, go through a moment by himself?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Can he rebel and grow up in peace?

[Claudia Oshry]

So I'll talk about in the TV recap just by brief thoughts on the matter. I also watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. It was a big TV night for me last night.

[Jackie Oshry]

Big TV day for me yesterday. And we recorded redheads yesterday, which you guys like. The Redheads are the underappreciated podcast of our time. Yesterday's episode is.

[Claudia Oshry]

So that's how I feel about the toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, of course. But the redheads, like, have a little.

[Claudia Oshry]

Kind of feels like you're the common denominator.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, I do think I'm underrated in my own time. For sure. For sure. But very Shakespearean of you redheads. Like, sometimes we do such a funny episode. And that's why even when, like, the worse the book, the better the episode. So sometimes we read a great book and that's really fun. Then sometimes we read a bad book and I feel bad for, like, people's time that they spent reading this, like, iffy 600 page book. But the episode makes it all worth it, you guys. We are the funniest gals in town. So that will be up tomorrow. I had a lot of fun recording with the girls. I got to see my little sister. Dear Satch.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Here's Satch.

[Claudia Oshry]

How was she?

[Jackie Oshry]

She was so satchy. She was so satchy. And Satch and I.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's so Satchel.

[Jackie Oshry]

Satch and I were aligned. We were simpatico.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, it's always nice when Satch is on your side.

[Jackie Oshry]

I was riding with the Satch yesterday.

[Claudia Oshry]

I've got seven on my side.

[Jackie Oshry]

So that was really fun. And then I watched, of course, with love, Megan.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, wlm.

[Jackie Oshry]

As soon as I had a free moment, I was sat down. So I have a lot of thoughts.

[Claudia Oshry]

I also watched the first episode.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, so we're gonna go through it. I mean, it's really. People have a lot of thoughts out there. There's like, everything I've got to episode. I'm in the middle of episode four, and that's where, like, things are sort of. The momentum is slowing down for me, I would say.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, so I took a little break and I watched Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So we'll recap that at the end.

[Claudia Oshry]

Big TV day. It's giving TV dinner.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's giving TV breevy.

[Claudia Oshry]

Giving TV recap.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is back to our roots.

[Claudia Oshry]

Back to our roots. And then what else is going on in the world besides, like, tv?

[Jackie Oshry]

Besides, like, what are the stories? Oh, the story's actually really good, but the common denominator is reality TV stars in one way or another.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh. Oh, my God. I actually had, like, a really hard day on the Internet yesterday because I'm sure we're gonna talk about Jax Taylor and his big revelation on the Bravo podcast. But everybody just, like, I kept seeing tweets and tiktoks about Jax, and I'm like, my sister's addicted to cocaine.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's her fee that they were talking about me.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no. I was, like, doing a double take. I'm like, why are they talking about my sister like that? Like, excuse me, Keep my sister's name out your fucking mouth.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's funny. I don't identify with Jax as a.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I never.

[Jackie Oshry]

I never realized other people, when we talk about Jacks, when you call me Jax, like, they're always like, people are always confusing me with Jax Taylor.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh. Oh. I never made the distinction until yesterday.

[Jackie Oshry]

Now Jackson Claude is so Commonplace on the show. But when we started saying it, like, people thought you were with Jax Taylor.

[Claudia Oshry]

I probably was.

[Jackie Oshry]

You probably were. But just to clear things up, I did not announce yesterday that I have a cocaine addiction.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe today's the day, though, that you do decide to announce it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Inspired by my namesake.

[Claudia Oshry]

By his bravery.

[Jackie Oshry]

By his bravery, yes. So we will get into all the details.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I don't really have much to share. It's just one of those days, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Well, all I. All I have to share is my thoughts on tv. I feel like, like that guy from Willy Wonka Mike tv, who just, like, sits at home and watches TV all day.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Also, you just reminded me of something.

[Jackie Oshry]

Watches tv Once.

[Claudia Oshry]

Once. You just put the abbreviate the emphasis on the wrong slobble. Yeah. You said tv and everybody knows it's tv.

[Jackie Oshry]

Of course I was being silly.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, okay. Cuz when people say tv, I'm like, did you just say tb?

[Jackie Oshry]

Of course.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. It's just like. It's just the way it's done here in America.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And if you don't like it, you could scram.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And we say ladybug, not Lady Bird.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I saw that clip. It's funny how, like, clips have gone viral and the episode with the most clippable moments is the Mindy Kaling one.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, of course, because she's so, you know, she's in headlines anyway. But also, I really. Her episode just, like, highlighted her fabulous personality.

[Claudia Oshry]

Mindy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Mindy's. And, you know, I'm actually like, aside from Sex lives of college girls. Like, I don't watch Mini Project. I don't watch the Office. So I actually, even though I, like, love Mindy through you, because, like, my sister loves her, I don't consume her work that often.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I was just so crazy to me. Because you are so Mindy coded.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I know. And everything that was coming out of her mouth, joke or not joke. Just like, she has so much personality. And it was kind of, like, highlighted a little bit, like, the lack.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Of humor from Megan. But that episode was really enjoyable because Mindy was just, like, bringing so much.

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, I implore you. Mindy is us just Indian. Like, she grew up, like, obsessed with movies, obsessed with celebrities. It's like all she ever wanted to be. She, like, was chubby most of her life. Like, just not. Not by choice. Like, she just. But she was in the mind of a thin girl, like Shaggy Jackie. She's so. And she loves Judaism. Like, she has a million jokes. Like, in all of her shows about, like, Jews and there's Jewish characters. But I think she also, like, participates in a lot of Jewish culture. She, like, celebrates Russia. Shannon, too. I saw that on her Instagram once, so she's so us coded. I implore you to watch the Mindy project.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe I will. But you should just watch that episode with Mindy Megan. Because also she was saying how growing up. Because they were talking about, like, they're entre or their things that they like to do growing up. And Mindy was like, I like to, like, look up really fancy recipes and, like, make them for my parents and play restaurant.

[Claudia Oshry]

So us.

[Jackie Oshry]

Which is just, like, so cute.

[Claudia Oshry]

And.

[Jackie Oshry]

And no, no. The. The addition of those anecdotes for Mindy just, like, continues to highlight, like, the lack there of. From.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of what Megan shared.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, I'm just remembering that. And I'm like, Megan just keeps talking about her gardening teacher.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

In middle school. Like, I'm sorry. I took social studies in middle school. That didn't. That's not what kicked off my love of history.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right, right. That's. That's the fair critique. I only watched one episode, and I think overall, we'll get into it. But it was like, fine. I. I am then. Well, the second I put it on, I started to remember that, like, I find shows like this boring. Like, every time Ben puts on a cooking show. Yeah, every time Ben puts on any cooking show, I'm like, oh, this is fun. And then 20 minutes later, I'm asleep. Like, I was just watching the magnolia show, and, like, I was tired. And Bo, while I'm excited that the product project is finally here, I feel like I overhyped it a little bit in terms of how much I could actually watch in one sitting. It's not. You can't binge cooking shows.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, some you can not even reach.

[Claudia Oshry]

Divers, drive ins and dives.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I've binge Magnolia table.

[Claudia Oshry]

Boring.

[Jackie Oshry]

Molly, the farmer. Molly girl. She's on the Food Network. Molly yet I think is her name. I binge him over Yom Kippur. I don't know why. I don't know why. Yeah, and then I tried to make, like, her meatless meatballs, and it was a disaster.

[Claudia Oshry]

So should we just dive in since we're already like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, since we're talking. We're obsessed with tv. All right.

[Claudia Oshry]

We're already there.

[Jackie Oshry]

Now, without further ado to do, here are the fast five stories. That's it that you need. I know, like, all of my different songs, they just sort of like, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And you cut it short.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's the fast side stories you need.

[Claudia Oshry]

What about. What are. What are the fast five stories? Like, what kind of stories? They're the ones you need to know.

[Jackie Oshry]

You do?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I thought we were, like, permanently incorporating that.

[Jackie Oshry]

I. I know, but sometimes it's hard for me to get into, like, because I'm. I'm changing the words a little bit. You know, the. Like, because I'm like. It's the fast five stories you need. It's just hard for me to keep all my melodies apart.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you. Slash Turt.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're welcome. Slash dirt.

[Jackie Oshry]

Our first story. The name on everybody's lips, Jackie.

[Claudia Oshry]

Our first story.

[Jackie Oshry]

With love Megan has premiered yesterday. Eight episodes dropped. We have started the process of watching, as Claudia said, she watched one episode. I watched four episodes. I've been very excited for this show because I have been craving cooking content and they want to see like what Megan's got for us.

[Claudia Oshry]

How the other half lives after all.

[Jackie Oshry]

These years of like, secret project, secret project, secret project.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now tell me if this was my assessment based on one episode and tell Me, if you agree and. Or if it changes at all, because I saw the show being, like, heavily criticized on social media for little things, like, the recipe is not being inspired enough, and she's not filming in her own house. It's a set. And to be honest, like, none of that really bothered me. I understand. A lot of people have sets, like, for cooking shows. They don't necessarily tell the audience. So that's like Megan being transparent. The only thing I wish that she had done, which was, like, not focus so much on, like, homeware projects and homemaking projects, because she's making all these things for her guest room, and then we don't see them in her guest room. She just, like, packs them up, and it's like, I'm taking them home to the guest room. So that was, like, a little annoying because I would have loved to have seen, like, I actually find that more interesting than cooking, like, how you decorate your house. So, like, I would love to see the bath salts in the tub and the nightstand snacks. So the fact that, like, we only saw her making bags for the nightstand, not, like, displaying them, was a little silly.

[Jackie Oshry]

She should just.

[Claudia Oshry]

If she's not going to film in her own house, which, to be honest, I have no issue with people criticizing that, like, she's entitled to, like, have a place of work. Like, it doesn't bother me. I just wish then that she didn't do homemaking things or give us a fake guest room. Why don't you just at least pretend that this is your house, you know? Well, then she would be like, she's an authentic.

[Jackie Oshry]

That would be so inauthentic. It's really crazy to film a cooking show in your house. And I actually think she copied a lot of things that Joanna Gaines does on her. It was giving Joanna in, like, a good way. Gaines, like, has done a lot of good things, and, like, sure, let's learn from them. So once she cooks in a kitchen that's in a house that looks like hers but isn't hers, but gives a homey feel, and then she shares all the food that she makes with her crew or says that she's taking it home to her kids, that's what Joanna does. And it, like, it comes off really well. And she's like, I can't eat all of this. Like, everyone here, come here. And, like, Megan thinks she also has a second set.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. It's like the craft room where they were making the candles. That's not the kitchen.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, there's two kitchens. I.

[Claudia Oshry]

There's two it's very.

[Jackie Oshry]

I thought the same. I'm like, wait, is this a new angle or a new kitchen? Agreed. Two kitchens. Um, my thoughts on the show are there are moments that are like, hey, I'm learning something. Hey, I feel inspired even. She made that one pot spaghetti in her first episode, and it looked pretty easy. And then it. It got me off the couch and I tried to make it at home. Now it didn't come out amazing because there was no recipe available online. So I just had to kind of remember what Megan said.

[Claudia Oshry]

They need a digital platform, the Tig.

[Jackie Oshry]

They do. They need, like, something where I could follow the recipe. But I like things that, like, inspire me to do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Practically apply.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like to cook, to clean, to homemake, to craft. So, like, I like that already. She's getting me up, she's getting me into the kitchen, and I'm gonna try a spaghetti with fresh tomatoes. Like, that's what I want out of a cooking show is, like, to see something that I feel inspired to do. So I thought that there were moments that were like, hey, that's a good tip. Thanks. But the core issue with this show is that there's no, like, reason for it. Like, other shows. Ina, she's making dinner for Jeffrey. He shall come home and we will have.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's having a dinner party.

[Jackie Oshry]

Other shows are Martha Stewart. She is teaching us something. She is an educator. This is for the person at home to learn how to make what I make now.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, Meghan's is just esthetic. That's the reason.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's like, you need a little bit more of a reason because it's, like, so silly. When she's having this mock kids party with Mindy Kaling, you're just feeling silly. They're sitting there under a balloon arch in dresses without any children around at a children's party table to show how you can make a children's party. And it's like, there's no reason to tear. Like, why is. Does every show should have, like, a reason for being. And, yeah, they don't really have one. It's like, you're not teaching us, like, a lot of cooking because Megan herself says she's not, like, an expert chef. But are we learning with you? That's a good thing. Like Selena and chef.

[Claudia Oshry]

Are we going to learn with you?

[Jackie Oshry]

Are we going to try a new recipe with you? Like, are you going to show us how you make a meal that works for kids and adults? Like, there's just no angle. It's just like, here's A bunch of pretty shit that I found on Pinterest. And that's the other thing. It really is like, Pinterest overload. And it's like, she. The first scene as the beekeeping, which was weird because she has a beekeeper, so if I wanted to watch beekeeping, I could go on National Geographic. But then the second scene, she's making bath salts for her guests. And, like, where'd you learn to make bath salts? Why'd you learn to make bath salts? Like, she doesn't share any personal anecdotes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, because I think that, like, she just has a team of people. That's how I felt about when they made their own candles out of the beeswax, which is very, like, TikTok. Like, I actually. I could. I could before watching the episode. I know how to make candles, and I know about the wick thing and the temperature and then the popsicle stick. So it did feel like she was regurgitating, like, Internet hacks as, like, par g aesthetic garden things. When this is all, like, pretty common knowledge.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But then frame it as that. Like, hey, I'm trying to make candles for the first time. Like, let's learn together. There's just, like, no frame framework for the show, and she's doing, like, a bunch of different things at once. Or even it could be, like, so Mindy Kaling comes, and I think the best part of that episode is, aside from Mindy, like, she's like, mindy's coming. We don't have food. Like, let me make up a frittata. And I know that's an easy thing to make, but I've never made one, and I liked watching her make one, and I was, like, inspired. So she made this, like, really beautiful breakfast for Mindy. Mindy is so funny because she doesn't do anything herself, and she doesn't even pretend like she does, so she's so impressed. And then they're, like, sitting and eating and talking a little bit, and then they start making these, like, stupid tea sandwiches. And I'm like, well, that would also be a good premise for a show. Like, you cook for someone who's coming, and then you guys sit down together and eat and eat, have a conversation. Almost like a. Almost like archetypes.

[Claudia Oshry]

A talk show. Yeah. Like, that's actually a good call.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's a good idea. There's no template here, and everything is just so random. And then some things just really don't work. Like her putting the pretzels from one plastic bag into another. Like, that was A low moment, for sure.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I feel like what bothered me, like, the only real critique I have of the show because, yes, it's unstructured and it's like, who is this for? What are we learning? But at the end of the day, I think it's really meant to be, like, part aesthetic. And if you don't look too much into it, like, it's a beautiful woman in a beautiful home doing beautiful things. But I remember when we announced the show and it was like, every episode is a guest. You and I were like, ugh. Like, I hate guests, and I do hate guests. And I have to say that guests that I saw her makeup artist, Daniel, was a particularly low point. And it was the first episode. Like, I don't know if that was the best call, but I. I think that the guests are necessary because anytime Megan was on screen alone, she's not a host, she's an actress. She's used to having lines written for her, and that's her skill. So I felt. I felt like she was looking down at her hands a lot. She wasn't making eye contact a lot. Like, she wasn't hosting super well. So having that person to bounce off of was great. I just wish that they had had a little bit more, like, real conversations. It felt like every person from the clips I've seen in the Mindy episode, and then the episode I saw with Daniel was like, told to come on and share nice things about Megan. Like, remember when we first worked together, you didn't have a publicist. Oh, you were so humble. And then you got me coffee from the room service. Hehe. Like, everyone's like, say something that makes Megan look nice. Megan look. Hamish. Megan look down to ear. Megan looked like. And so it just wasn't giving real conversation.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. Like, you could tell they're all have a prompt. Like, even Mindy being like, yeah, you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Know what I was thinking?

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, we are both on TV for seven years. Like, yeah, we were. And Mindy did, like, as good of a job as you could have, like, weaving it in. But you could tell, like, she's being like, told. Bring up this, bring up that. And I also felt like in every episode, she's trying to relate so hard to her guests. Like, with Mindy, they're both toddler moms. So, like, we're going in the next.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's relatable. Like, that's a good.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's a good angle. The next one was a. A chef in L. A. A Korean chef, Roy Choi. And he's like, he it's his. He's the star because he's making. He literally made 30 things in one episode. But then she's, like, talking about how she's an L. A kid. Yeah, I'm an L. A kid. Then the next one is this woman who's friends with her husband's polo partner. So some, like, fancy lady. Oh, she's Argentinian. And Meghan starts speaking Argentinian Spanish. She's like, when I lived in Argentina working at the U.S. embassy. And it's like, you're trying to be all these other people. Who are you?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah. So I feel like, two ways, because I feel like the show is getting, like, really unfairly criticized, even though I'm sitting here criticizing it, like, because that's what I do. I think people are making, like, a lot of, like, overarching like, generalizations about the show when it's supposed to be just, like, not that serious.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right, Right. It's light and it's not that serious. And what I'm confused about, and I don't. I didn't hate the show. I'm going to keep watching it. And it's exactly.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that cake she made with Daniel was purging.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And then I really don't like baking. I'm not a baker. But then she knows exactly what to do. And it's like, well, how often do you bake? Can you, like, share a little more? I feel like, also, I should relate to her. We have, like, the things that kids the same age, two young children, like, take pride in making, like, food at home and homemaking and trying to get it all done. But then she does so many things that I'm. Like, how. Like, she made homemade dog biscuits. Like, I would never spend my time doing that. I would never make baths, fresh bath salts for when you come and stay. So, like, I wish you would.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe if I had a tub in my room.

[Jackie Oshry]

She shares that. Like, she didn't always. She didn't cook growing up. Like, in that Mindy Kaling combo that everyone's, like, freaking out about that she ate a lot of fast food growing up. She was a latchkey kid. TV dinners, etc. Etc. So it's like, well, when did you learn to cook? Why did you.

[Claudia Oshry]

When did you start appreciating homemade wares?

[Jackie Oshry]

How did you learn to cook? She talks about how she used to be scared to make a whole chicken, a roast chicken, because, like, she didn't want it to be raw. Like, I was scared to make a whole. Like, I. Yeah, I, like, have a Lot in common with her, but I feel like she doesn't actually share things about herself, and that makes it hard to relate. And when you're watching a show like this, like, you do want to.

[Claudia Oshry]

A human connection, especially if that's the.

[Jackie Oshry]

Point of the show. So I feel like that's something, you know.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, the thing is, if you're gonna carry a show, like, about homemaking and family, and it's just you, like, you have to share.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Just, like, small anecdotes that aren't. I. I heard about her gardening teacher already, like, twice. Yeah, I don't want to hear about him. And it's like, did you build the gardening or Montecito house or was it there and that inspired you to start garden?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Share, please. Like, just tell us this.

[Claudia Oshry]

Or did you start gardening when you were living in London?

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. Did you learn anything about cooking over there? Anything that you take, Anything that you apply from, like, Harry's life and culture in your cooking at home?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, just Ladybug. Ladybird. Now, the reviews in terms of, like, the people are split because either you like her or you don't like her. But the reviews in terms of, like, media, like, writing. Like, people who write, like, TV show and film critic reviews have been really scathing, which I found to be so shocking. You've definitely felt like, this shift in how the media writes about Megan in the last year.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I feel like for a while.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was like, Megan can do no wrong. Queen, queen, queen. And now it's like she's being overly criticized.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, this show is inoffensive. Like, why is everyone so mad about it? What's so confusing to me is, like, when she and Harry left the royal family and. Or even when they were in it, and then they left and then everything. And then the Oprah interview. Like, you could not criticize Meghan Markle without being called a racist. Like, you could have no other reason for not liking her. You had to be racist. Like, look at Piers Morgan lost his job. Sharon Osborne lost her job for just saying, pierce is my friend. Like, you couldn't say one bad thing about her. Even after the Oprah interview, you couldn't, like, question anything that no American culture was.

[Claudia Oshry]

And media was very protective of her.

[Jackie Oshry]

So. And to me, it's like, that was. Of everything that's Megan's done, like, that's the most shocking behavior to me. Like, the leaving the family in such a disrespectful way. The interviews were so. The documentary was so disrespectful. Like this Queenie who sick and dying, and you're gonna give her the finger and call her a racist and her whole family racist on your way out the door, and that's your children's great. Like, that, to me, was like, the. The thing that could be criticized, but, like, you couldn't. And now she's just living her life as a mom in Montecito, like, actually trying to live the life that she said that she wanted. Like, a quiet, peaceful life with her husband.

[Claudia Oshry]

And her garden is chicken.

[Jackie Oshry]

And she's also trying to just make a living work, like, do her job. And we're mad about this. Like, I'm not mad. This is so I can have criticism about the show because I want it to be better because I like it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right, because you want to enjoy it.

[Jackie Oshry]

But, like, why is everyone hating on this? And why now is it okay to, like, hate her so passionately and really for nothing? Nothing when, like, you couldn't ever say a bad word about her before.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I know. Like, the clip of her saying that her outfit was high, low because her pants were Zara. Her sweater is Laura Piano. I found that, first of all, fascinating. I thought that was the most chic outfit. Everybody being like, well, who cooks with a sweater on their neck?

[Jackie Oshry]

Someone who's on tv, fucking TV show. And by the way, she didn't cook with the sweater on. She put it on when Mindy came over.

[Claudia Oshry]

So, like, it's just. I agree completely. So much of the criticism is so unwarranted and so random when they're. Was it, like, there was a period where, like, she could do no wrong? So, like, I really am so curious, like, what caused that shift in how the media talks about her? Like, that Variety review from, like, the critic was scathing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, really, like, the person who wrote it hates her.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And the fact that, like, even her pre show article is in People magazine and it's not in one of the bigger magazines. I'm not someone, like, who thinks.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then they're that many fair. That piece that kind of went a little bit under the radar, but that big sort of expose book, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And the podcast for psychotic men. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

I went to Google last night. Meghan Markle spaghetti recipe. Because I hope that she had, like, put together a website, and then it was just articles of people, like, making fun of her spaghetti for being, like, stupid. I'm like, it's spaghetti and tomatoes. Like, that's not news. And, like, that's not offensive.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not. It's not.

[Jackie Oshry]

It doesn't look good to you? Like, it's pasta and fresh vegetables. Okay, maybe it's a little, like, bland or simple, but simple. It's healthy and it's nice.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, no, it's. It is really weird, and it's so us to, like, oh, now finally I.

[Jackie Oshry]

Have her back when everybody eats her.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's Blake Lively. It's Blake Lively, like, every. But no, it's really. Because it does make you really. It makes somebody, like, sympathetic when they're like, there's so no reason that this show is being as criticized as it is. But she was such a darling.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, I guess if this show came out right after they left everyone, it would have been perfect. Oh, my God. Megan this, Megan that. I. I don't, like, think there's, like, one or two people who, like, control the media, but this makes me feel like there's the Jews. There's one person who loved Megan, and now that person has turned on Megan and the floodgates have opened. That's how it's.

[Claudia Oshry]

And she. She, like, accidentally bumped them at a party and didn't say sorry. And now he's, like, enacting his revenge.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, pissed off the person that was protecting her.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it does feel like there's a switch.

[Jackie Oshry]

You flip a switch and what. When did it happen? Like, what? I. I don't know. Was it.

[Claudia Oshry]

It happened after the book. After the documentary.

[Jackie Oshry]

The book was bad.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but the book was. It was well received in the sense that, like, at least he said stuff. You know, like, it made news. Like, I appreciated that even though he is my nemesis, like, I seriously can't stand him. And I. When I'm talking about her, I'm never talking about him. Like, I hate him. I don't even think the book was so negatively, but it was the first time people were legitimately criticizing them. And then maybe it's like, a slippery slope. I don't know. And now here we are saying her pasta's stupid and that her charcuterie board is stolen from Pinterest.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I do.

[Claudia Oshry]

And.

[Jackie Oshry]

But I. I don't mind if she got it from Pinterest. Just say that. Just be like, I find the cutest stuff so relatable. These are things that I use every day that I found Pinterest. These are things I tried and I didn't like. These are things I want to try. Let's try it together.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just, like, so relatable. If she had said, like, no doom scrolling on Pinterest while Harry sleeps and watches Duolingo, you Know, like, yeah, no, she should open, by the way. And I know we, we say this, like, she should open up more, but look what she happens when she does. Like, she literally made a TV show. And like, if I'm her, I'm sharing less now. People are so mean.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know, but if you don't want to share and you don't have to always be a person who shares you, this isn't the line of work for you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Honestly, she should go back to acting because you don't have to share.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Does she share at any point in the future how she makes her jam?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, good. Because like, when they were making the jam cake and she's like, yeah, I made this. I thought it would have been great to like, cut to pre. A pre made clip of her jam recipe.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. They do show it. And it's just her raspberries because she's like, so. I'm so jealous of her garden. Oh, my God. She just like.

[Claudia Oshry]

But the garden that they film at.

[Jackie Oshry]

It'S just the house in Montecito that they film at that also has a garden. I guess just everyone.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not her real garden.

[Jackie Oshry]

Farm in Montecito with a farm in Marseille. Perfect backdrop. Like, I feel sick.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Also, I was gonna. This came out yesterday. Her website, as ever, dropped and you can now see what's for sale. So now also keeping that in mind.

[Claudia Oshry]

With the show, are there recipes on it?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but she. This is what she's selling. And now it makes the whole show feel so phony because, you see, she's just pushing these products. Now I know why she puts flower sprinkles on everything because she's selling them. I've never had a flower sprinkle before. Honey, of course. But it's like, it's not from your backyard.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Where's the honey made raspberry spread? Crepe mix.

[Claudia Oshry]

I, by the way, I would get her raspberry spread.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, now we just have to. For R D purposes, of course. Ginger tea, peppermint tea, hibiscus tea. She does spend a lot of time making teas on the show.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's boring.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Not my favorite because I like, you know, a sleepy time Lipton seasonings.

[Claudia Oshry]

These offerings in the grocery store are good enough for me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Crate mix. You know where they sell this all? The Buckingham palace gift shop.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was gonna say ballerina farm.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, that's also similar, but two women can do that. They're like, that's such a. This is such a blossoming industry and category that a Million. Not a million, but a handful of women can and should do this. And I think there's room for everyone but the Buckingham palace gift shop. Like, this is what the website looks like. I don't know if anyone's put that well.

[Claudia Oshry]

Honestly, that gift shop is fabulous and people in America don't know about it and don't shop it. So if Meghan's like, ideas to bring that to the States, like, that's a party business idea.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. You know who told me about that? Well, not told me. I learned about it from her Instagram.

[Claudia Oshry]

Stassi.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ms. Patricia.

[Claudia Oshry]

So classic. You are Ms. Patricia in the making, Claudia.

[Jackie Oshry]

The websites look exactly the same, Claudia. I'm on both websites. Nobody's put this together yet. Only me and Ms. Patricia could. And unfortunately, Ms. Patricia only gave it to him.

[Claudia Oshry]

The elk of Patricia can get us here to this conclusion. I'm probably not going to watch more. And I don't think that's a testament to the show being bad. It's just a testament to, like, I find cooking shows. I don't cook.

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I, I didn't realize until I sat down to watch. I was like, wait, I literally don't want to be watching this. I don't like cooking shows.

[Jackie Oshry]

If Meghan Markle got a starring role on svu, I wouldn't watch it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. You know, my ass would. And if they re did suits or something, she should definitely go back into acting.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I feel like that's next. I don't know where we're going to go from here because this is an eight episode show. Will there be more? I don't know. How much more does she have to give? I feel like, I mean, Netflix is.

[Claudia Oshry]

Invested in as ever. Like, I actually think there's more to be done here.

[Jackie Oshry]

Contractually, they need to like, rework the format a little bit and pare it down. Like, we don't need all of these distractions. She's doing a million things. She's starting focaccia, then going on a hike with her friend. Then we're gonna freshen up and shower, and then we're gonna make pasta. Like, it's just too much.

[Claudia Oshry]

And was the concept that every guest comes in is also staying at her house? No.

[Jackie Oshry]

So, like, the, the chef Daniel was. Daniel was staying with her. The chef who came was teaching her how to make Korean food. And I think we all learned a lot then. Husband's friend's wife is, I guess, staying with her. She's making her, like, tea bags to take home. And Dog biscuits.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, wait. The one thing that I didn't see anybody talking about is I've never seen handwriting like that in my life.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. I'm obsessed with her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Do you think it's fake?

[Jackie Oshry]

So I don't think so.

[Claudia Oshry]

Unbelievably beautiful.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, we really never see, like, more.

[Claudia Oshry]

Than one pen to paper.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. She also did like, the chalkboard. And she, like, starts out and it's like, maybe she started, but someone. I don't know. I need to see the whole thing. I love her handwriting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Whoever's hand, that handwriting, she should make stationary. Like, it's beautiful, but she's so the.

[Jackie Oshry]

Type that would have amazing handwriting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. No, I didn't. I actually don't think it was fake. Like, it's really on brand for her to have, like, a pargy signature. But I've never. It's like, it's perfectly straight, too. Without. She's writing, like, without lines. She's writing on, like, these little. And it's totally straight.

[Jackie Oshry]

People were clowning on her because she put a bag of peanut butter pretzels into another plastic bag to leave for Daniel because he loves peanut butter. But then she wanted to label that the pretzels nut free.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Just, you know, in case anyone has an allergy. But, like, she knows that he doesn't.

[Claudia Oshry]

But I think that was like, her way of giving a tip, you know.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was her way of giving a tip, which she could have just said and be like.

[Claudia Oshry]

And by the way, always good to put in case your guests have allergic to nuts.

[Jackie Oshry]

And two, if my handwriting looked like that, I'd keep writing no matter what if I knew they had an allergy or not. We're labeling everything.

[Claudia Oshry]

All the walls in my house be like chalkboard or expo marker walls.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I would just, like, whiteboard the out of my house.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. She should teach a calligraphy episode.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. No, the handwriting party. So that's with love wlm. It's here.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And it's kind of making me want to say, leave Megan alone.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. No, there was a time to be upset with her. And like, this spaghetti cooked in its own water, is not it?

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, and I love that she put the boiling water, like, from the kettle. Like, who. It's time to boil water.

[Jackie Oshry]

Love that I did that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Love it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Nice. But I didn't have Swiss chard because I don't have a garden in Montecito. Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

And what is Swiss char cheese?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's a big leaf.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh. Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

I saw her, like, it's in the lettuce category.

[Claudia Oshry]

Got it, got it. Yeah, I, I, I saw.

[Jackie Oshry]

I really, I feel like Montecito must be, like, the best place on earth to live. That's probably why it's so desirable.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm pretty sure it is, like, the best place on earth to live. It's, I would say, LA's version of the Hamptons.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's like people have their second homes there. But then, like, when you're really wealthy, you just, like, live there.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, no, it's really parchy. I've got the Montecito itch.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. But by the way, you should take a trip. I, I follow this girl, so. I follow this girl. I think you know her too. She's the one who coined the term coastal grandmother. She, like, made it up. And she, like, lives the Nancy Myers lifestyle. I think she, like, lives in la, somewhere near there. But she's always taking trips to, like, Montecito, Santa Barbara. And she does these, like, big trip itineraries. You should follow them. She's so used. She wears, like, linen pants. Like, she's so Patricia. No, she's not Patricia because she doesn't do, like, crazy wallpapers. It's all very muted, but it's all very elegant. And she just had a baby, too. And she's like, always making just like cheese boards or whatever. And it's very Nancy Myers. Like, I think that's her aesthetic. But she does great itineraries. Her name is Lex. I think you would like her. And if you do ever do a trip, she does, like, all. There are a lot of party places you could visit around la, like Sonoma. So she's like, here's my Sonoma wreck. But she's always going to Santa Barbara and Montecito, which, I don't know if those are two different places.

[Jackie Oshry]

They feel like next door neighbors.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, right. Like East Hampton and Southampton.

[Jackie Oshry]

And now I kind of understand why Megan has made Montecito her entire personality. Personality, like America. Like, wanting to. Because, like, that is what's inspired her to be this way in this stage of her life. Like, just, you know, buying a house with a garden again. Can you let us know? And like, they have chickens, right, too?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, that's like their thing. Oprah saw the chicken.

[Jackie Oshry]

She didn't talk about her chickens. And now I finally care. Season two, I didn't care during Oprah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Season two.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe it's the back half of the season.

[Claudia Oshry]

I could see Megan not eating meat. Let me say this, it was enjoyable to just watch a beautiful woman like, she is really exceptional looking.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Also, she drinks more alcohol than I would have thought.

[Claudia Oshry]

Love.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. And, like, she made it a little joke. She made a little.

[Claudia Oshry]

Sorry, not Queen Duchess.

[Jackie Oshry]

She made a little joke that, like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, honey, you made a little joke.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that everyone. I. Monte.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because Mindy killing was like, wow, this. I've not had to drink this early in so long. She's like, welcome to Montecito.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that's so classic. No, like, the takeaway here, obsessive Mindy Kaling. Like, more than I ever thought I could be.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. You should watch that episode. Episode.

[Claudia Oshry]

I actually will.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Okay. Are you ready for our next story? Some other major news in the TV category. Jax Taylor reveals cocaine addiction as he celebrates more than 80 days of sobriety. So Jax Taylor has revealed his addiction to cocaine while celebrating sobriety. He said this is. He went on Bravo's Hot Mic podcast and said, quote, this is tough to say. I'm an addict. I have substance issues, primarily with cocaine. Oh, that's hard to say out loud. I've been dealing with this for, I think, the last on and off since I was 23. I'm 45 now. He said there was times where I would stop doing it, and there was times where I'd go heavy on it. I think a lot of people who watch Vanderpump Rules over the years could tell that I was kinda on something.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

He insisted showrunners didn't know what he was doing behind closed doors. He said that he was on the train, that he was on that train and he couldn't get off. He made sure to note, quote, I don't necessarily think I have an alcohol problem, but the two go hand in hand. I can't do cocaine without drinking, so I just gave up both. And I'm proud to say I'm 83 days sober right now. He says this is the longest he's gone without anything since he was 21. He says it feels really, really good. But I just want to let people know that this is a really, really tough disease and a really tough sickness. I've been doing it for so long. He shared. He said that he's been hiding it or lying about it forever. He went to rehab twice. The first time, like, went well, but then he came home and had another outburst. And now after the second time, he is this long sober.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now, probably one of my major flaws is that I'm a Jack's Taylor apologist. So you're gonna hear some of my Jack Taylor apologist energy come through. I've seen people be, like, really not sympathetic, being, like, though the sky is also blue, like, Jax does cocaine and, like, duh. And, yes, if you've been watching the show, monitoring his behavior, like, it was clear there were moments where they were doing drugs. At least for me. I didn't think of it so much as an addiction. I was just like, they're young Hollywood kids and they're doing drugs. And, you know, a lot of them have spoken about how in the very beginning, they were, like, doing a lot of Adderall. Like, I don't know. I didn't think of it as, like, a real issue, but it did seem like everybody sort of grew out of that behavior, started having kids. Like, you have that party era of your life, and it felt like Jax, like, didn't give up on it like others did, and that was maybe part of the reason why him and Brittany broke up. So I have sympathy for him. I think people don't. They just, like, see him as this villain and they don't care. But 83 days is huge.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I have sympathy for him as well. I agree. Like, this is. This shouldn't be shocking, but it is kind of surprising. I would have thought, like, even. Maybe Even in his 40s, like, he would go out with the boys, maybe do some coke, as people do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. But not here, bump there.

[Jackie Oshry]

But not that it was, like, affecting his life. It's the reason for his divorce. It's the reason for his marital issues. It's the reason, you know, for a lot of different things going wrong in his life. I didn't see that. And I thought a lot of the things that he did on both shows, the Valley and Vanderpump Rules, a lot of the crazy things that he did were just because he's a crazy man, like, and he's also a TV star, and he's a professional villain. And I really didn't think it was much deeper than that.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's a really good point. And did you see Britney's statement on her Instagram stories? I think people. She was probably getting a lot of reception, being like, well, look, he's changed. And she's like, listen, I've been on this roller coaster. This is not, you know, new to me.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's too late for her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And I agree. I don't even think, like, let's say he turned his whole life around and he became this, like, amazing guy. Dad. I don't think these two should get back together ever.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And it's. It's Too late for her. She, like, I feel like it probably took her so long to get to the place of leaving him, and she probably knew about most of this when they were together, but forgave him or gave him chances or lived with it. So to finally, like, get to the other side and be like, I can't live like this. There's really no going back.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. Because in order to get to that place, like, you have to put up with so much.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And it's just a total mentality shift. And now that she's free and they're divorced and she probably has a lot of custody of their child, like, she's happy and it's too little. It's not even too little because it's what he needs to do, but it's just too late for them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. I, I don't chip.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, me neither. But I, I, I wish him the best and I, I hope that, like, brighter days are ahead and that he stays the path.

[Claudia Oshry]

Same.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story? Another reality TV star making news. Gabby Windy is a married woman.

[Claudia Oshry]

I saw this. My doppelganger.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yep. The Bachelorette star secretly marries Robbie Hoffman, Claudia's doppelganger and former good guys guest in a 799Las Vegas wedding. So Gabby and Robbie are forever. She is now a married woman after wedding her writer and comedian girlfriend in a secret ceremony held in January. So Gabby is 34, Robbie is 35. To me, like, that just makes us more serious.

[Claudia Oshry]

January. So they're only now sharing that they're married.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's cute. I like that.

[Jackie Oshry]

And now they've been married like, almost.

[Claudia Oshry]

Two months and she's having a real moment. Gabby, Wendy, like, she's popping off her on social media. They love her on the Traders, I think for a lot of people, because she was on, like, a relatively unpopular of the Bachelor. Like, it was, it was post Bachelor fame. So she's from the Bachelor. Yeah. But I feel like most people know her, like, from social media and now the trainers, like, nobody knows her.

[Jackie Oshry]

I've seen podcast clips, like, for a while now because she's been doing her podcast for a while. I see her clips once in a while. I think I sent you 11 months ago not to, like, make it about me. And I was like, this girl is so funny and I'm so glad that she's, like, getting her flowers. And now I'd be curious to, like, see clips of her from the Bachelor. Did she bring this energy to the Bachelor?

[Claudia Oshry]

I think so. I think she was Just like a regular contestant, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then once she, like, got off the show, I think started to show her personality more, and I think that people were really receptive to it on her podcast, so it only encouraged her even more to, like, lean into her kind of weirder, quirkier side, and people love it. And I agree. I love the moment that she's having just, like, for truly being herself, because she's kind of weird, like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I love that, you know, at the height of her fame, what does she decide to do? Marry her girlfriend who loved her before everybody else did. You know, I just. I love the story. And you're right. Them being 35, like, they'll be together forever.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. It's not just, like, two crazy kids got married in Vegas, and, you know, it's not real. I. I think that this is very real, and I'm happy for both of them. Mazel tov.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I think they've been dating now for, like, two years, so it's a legit thing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm happy for her.

[Claudia Oshry]

I really like her. She's very funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, she is. Part of me wants to watch Traders, but I don't know if I. I already watched TV all day yesterday. I don't know if I could do.

[Claudia Oshry]

It again two days in a row.

[Jackie Oshry]

Two days. Oh, my gosh, my brain will rot.

[Claudia Oshry]

I would tune in just to see Robin Dixon. I told you about that viral tweet, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God, Yes, I did. I'm, like, having deja vu. Whatever. When they announced the Traders cast, like, months ago, people who watch Traders who don't watch Bravo, like, don't. You don't know who half the people are. Same, like, with. We watch Bravo, but I don't know who any of these Survivor castmates are. So one of the people who watches, like, Big Brother and Survivor was, like, doing tweets about all the different castmates, and they put up a picture of Robin Dixon. They were like, I don't know who this woman is, but I just know she's, like, gonna be the most slay. Traitorous.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, oh, my God. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And people were like, sir, there was a traitor laying in her bed for 10 years, and she didn't know. Like, she's not gonna sniff out anyone. It was really funny. So I would love to know how Robin fared on traitors. That's why I would tune in.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's really funny.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. For the Robin Dixon of it all.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story? Another reality TV star is Making news.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

You do. This reality TV star who's making news would love Caraway and carry is famous.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Code toast thank you, Claudia.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're welcome. Oh, okay. Claudia. Not the government name.

[Jackie Oshry]

Things are getting serious because Kristen Cavallari is returning to reality TV with a new E series called Honestly Cavallari the headline Tour. So Kristen Cavallari is going back to reality tv, back to E to do another reality show. But it's actually like a show following her podcast tour. So it's like the smartless doc for the swirlies.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It was giving swirly smart.

[Jackie Oshry]

I just have to say this is so brilliant. Like such a.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's a good idea.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's such a no brainer. Like I'm.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because she's really made for reality tv.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And I like that smart list template of like following someone on a podcast tour and she's doing it on E. It's not like it's going to be. And wasn't. There's all in black and white. That was weird.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, that was.

[Jackie Oshry]

This will be colorless.

[Claudia Oshry]

Extremely compared to. We gotta get Shannon on there. Shannon should open for her Shannon should open for her.

[Jackie Oshry]

Honestly.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just an idea.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think her podcast tour is gonna have guests.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm sorry. I just want to say, if you're listening as an audio and you hear, like, a little bit of, like, a hummingbird. I'm sorry, I need to turn my fan on. It's a thousand degrees in here and I'm carrying a child. Like, please don't complain.

[Jackie Oshry]

No worries. I think her podcast tour is going to have guests as podcast tours.

[Claudia Oshry]

Shannon.

[Jackie Oshry]

Shannon. And like, for us. But, like, very cavalier. Stan.

[Claudia Oshry]

I didn't even watch the show. I don't even know, like, what the tea is, but I know that Shannon would do it. Like, I think that she would like to close the circle. I feel like Kristen wouldn't, and that sucks.

[Jackie Oshry]

It does. So Kristen announced on Instagram. I'm so excited because I'm coming back to E. And Peacock. I have a new show premiering June 5th, and they're going to follow me on my very first, let's be honest, podcast tour. I have lots of friends coming out. We're going to pull back the curtain on the headlines and talk about what's really going on. So I'm excited to be back on TV and I can't wait to see you guys. June 5th.

[Claudia Oshry]

I also feel on TV.

[Jackie Oshry]

On TV. I feel like Kristen already shares a lot on her podcast and, like, gives us actual tea and.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because this is going to be shared. Like, this is a big deal. I feel like she's gonna give us even more.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, this is, like, really. It kind of. I kind of want to give it, like, a Toasty Lions award. It's really firing on all cylinders.

[Jackie Oshry]

I want to give it a Toasty.

[Claudia Oshry]

Lions award because it brings her back to reality tv, which people loved. It's a great win for E. Because they can't seem to get anything right. It's huge for podcasting. It just. It's really brilliant.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Are you adding it to the toasty list?

[Jackie Oshry]

I am adding it. She's also just, like, made for tv. This is her first.

[Claudia Oshry]

Fourth.

[Jackie Oshry]

Fourth time on reality show, and she's the common denominator.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, she's had multiple successful reality TV shows. Like, it's her.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like, she needs a cooking show. With love, Kristen.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, actually, she doesn't.

[Jackie Oshry]

Why? She's a chef.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because. Yeah, but she's also, like, a stirring, like, personality hire. Like, she doesn't need to be in the kitchen. Like, she could be doing that while out having cocktails with Justin. No, but that's more interesting.

[Jackie Oshry]

But she could do the shit talking personality while cooking. Because you're not.

[Claudia Oshry]

Everything needs to be a cooking show, Jackie.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but we were just saying like what Megan lacks facts and why she might not be the greatest at this. Because you say she looks down, she can't hoe, she can't talk. Yes, Kristen is. And don't forget that Kristen has multiple award winning cookbooks. Don't forget.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. But I just think Kristen's like the best version of a Kristen show is not her in the kitchen. But I'm sure it would be good.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think everything she's like, she's just.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, she, she's got the star quality.

[Jackie Oshry]

She does.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I think that this will be very good. I also love to see like, I love podcast content.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think I didn't even think about us. But this is okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Selfishly. This is great. Selfishly. I find like what other people with podcasts do and how they work and travel, like, I find that really interesting.

[Jackie Oshry]

1,000%. I want to see what hotel she stays at. I want to see.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Does she fly private?

[Claudia Oshry]

What size, what size venues is she selling out? What is the context of the show? You know, we just spent like the last year putting together a live show. It's very hard and I, I haven't been to a lot of other people's live shows, so I don't know what goes on there. So. So I'm looking forward to finding out some industry secrets.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, no, like 10 out of 10.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Our fifth and final story. Some new couple news for anyone who cares. I don't know how many people are going to care about this.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, let's say raise your hand if you care.

[Jackie Oshry]

Madeline Petsch and Ty and Tyga. I guess, like, I care a little because, like, because it's so weird. And I was once like a big fan of Riverdale and a big fan of hers.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Kylie and Tyga.

[Jackie Oshry]

And Kylie and Tyga. But Tyga doesn't make news on his own, you know?

[Claudia Oshry]

No. Kyla, Kyla. Tyga is kind of like a nepo boyfriend. He is always like punching above his. What's the phrase? Weight class. Like, yeah, about like, like he's always like dating better looking, more successful, more famous women than him and they bring him up. He very much subscribes to the ideology of rising tides. Rise all shy kids.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

He dated Kylie. He dated Avril Lavigne.

[Jackie Oshry]

He dated.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Black China. Of course.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, of course. But that's not really who I was referring to. Tiger date. Yeah. Ever Levine.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, wow.

[Claudia Oshry]

I knew I wasn't just making it.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's just weird. Because of Brody.

[Claudia Oshry]

So they dated? Oh, my God. Totally.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think we probably put that together.

[Claudia Oshry]

March, April, May, June. For four months in 2023.

[Jackie Oshry]

Good times.

[Claudia Oshry]

He also dated Cameron Swanson. I don't know her. An influencer and fashion designer. Aren't we all? So Bella Porch. Oh, the tiger dated Bella Porch. The Tick tock girl?

[Jackie Oshry]

Why is that so surprising?

[Claudia Oshry]

I just. I feel like I would have known about that. Oh, and it says that he was 30 and she was 19. Oh, yucky, yucky. Oh, Tammy Hembro. Classic. Iggy Azalea. Kylie Jenner. So let me tell you, he does quite well for himself.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, he does. And this is also great news for him. Sources confirmed TMZ that he is dating Jackie.

[Claudia Oshry]

Guess who he dated for a year in 2007.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Would Cheetah girls. Cheetah sisters from 3 LW. Kelly Williams.

[Jackie Oshry]

Got it. But not Adrian.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, that would have been. That would have been so crazy cute.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, he has good taste.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. Am I crazy? Like, how does he keep pulling these women? He's, like, not that cute in my opinion. Personality or trust fund?

[Jackie Oshry]

He must have a great personality.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like Pete Davidson.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I guess, like, he is kind of a Pete Davidson. But Pete Davidson is really successful in his job, and that makes you more attractive. Like, when you're at the top of the game, in whatever field it is that you do. I mean, I think maybe at a time, Tyga was Rock. Rock City. Rock. Rock City. Like, I think for a point he was. I don't know if he's currently, like, still the hit maker he once was.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So I think it's just his great personality. Maybe he's, like, a really great boyfriend.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, maybe he's, like, hysterical or something.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And maybe he just, like, has a lot of love to give and you feel great when you're around Tyga and you feel like the best version of yourself. Health.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I forgot. Who's he dating?

[Jackie Oshry]

Madeline Petsch. From Riverdale.

[Claudia Oshry]

Random. I thought she was eating that guy. Like, forever. Like, did they?

[Jackie Oshry]

I think a long time ago, but they were dating forever. Travis Mills.

[Claudia Oshry]

Travis Mills. T. Mills.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's also, like, dated other people. Her dating history is weird, too. And there's one person that she dated that I. I feel like she wants us to forget about. I'll let you know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, we forget nothing. She don't know. Elephants never forget.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I just don't want To. I. I think I know who it is, but I don't want to.

[Claudia Oshry]

You don't want to speak out of turn.

[Jackie Oshry]

There's, like, two people that look, look, that I. That I conflate and. But I do think it was Aaron Carter, but hold on.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. Really?

[Jackie Oshry]

Madeline. Pitch dating history. Thank you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I never heard of that. Aaron Carter, 2014.

[Jackie Oshry]

Miles Chamley Watson and Anthony.

[Claudia Oshry]

There's literally a picture of them on a red carpet. I'm dying. She looks like so Cheryl Blossom in the photo, because it's from 2014.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's so Cheryl Blossom.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's so random.

[Jackie Oshry]

She is.

[Claudia Oshry]

And this couple's really random.

[Jackie Oshry]

But, like, they have my. They have my blessing.

[Claudia Oshry]

They have my blessing. It works.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I hope that, like, this is it for them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And they're like, you know, she's your doppelganger, so they're kind of like you and Zach coded.

[Jackie Oshry]

They are. I used to, like, really feel. She used to be one of my faves.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

But people change. Like, I mean, just, you know, like, Riverdale stops. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I. Yeah, but that first season of Riverdale, like, if you were alive to experience it, you remember in the tectonic plates of the universe shifted in that moment. Like, we were all watching this one show on the cw, and it was probably one of the best singular seasons of television in the last 20 years.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, for sure.

[Claudia Oshry]

It, like, I forget what the big twist was at the end, but it was something about Cheryl and Jason Blossom. Like, when you figured out, like, what it was, like, who killed Jason or whatever.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not that we remember.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I don't. But I remember being like, that's one of the greatest twists I've ever seen.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know what I think it was? I think, spoiler alert, they thought it was the dad, but the dad actually secretly had a brother, so it was, like, the uncle.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, that was, like, much later on when the show got stupid. Yeah. The dad had, like, an evil twin.

[Jackie Oshry]

Doesn't everyone? But at least, like, that kind of works because Cheryl and Jason were twins. So, like, our twins ran in the family and ran in the family, clearly.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah. Let's do TV recap. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was probably one of the most pointless episodes of television I've watched. Like, I don't. Even if it weren't for Kathy accidentally walking on the Runway. Like, I would have nothing to say.

[Jackie Oshry]

If it weren't for Kathy, period. Like, her being in the doctor's office with Kyle, me, like, let's find out who she is. I can make one call and find out who took those pictures and who. Who's set it up.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Kyle's clearly trying to, like, shut down the conversation.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was so weird. The way that Kyle is reacting to everything is why I have a hard time understanding her and, like, giving her the same, like, grace that I would give Dory. You know? Like, Dory doesn't need grace because everything she does is right. But, like, you know, I could give someone a pass when they're going through a hard time, but the fact that Kyle, like, will not give us an emotion. And let me ask you something. Kyle and I think people have tried to ask. Ask Kyle this question. If you had your druthers. Do you want to stay married?

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, we don't know. I thought you were gonna say crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

That we don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, yeah, she's so confusing. I thought what you were gonna say is, like, you don't want to talk about this. You don't want anyone to question your marriage. But we all last season had to deal with you doing the music video, you bringing Morgan around. Morgan's on camera. Morgan's at the party. Morgan's here. Morgan's there. And now we can't talk about any of that. Like, I'm. I'm so confused.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I think they say it in next week's episode, but it's like, okay, we can talk about Mauricio and the girl in the picture. That's kosher, but we can't. We still can't talk about Morgan. So it's like, Kyle is still actively.

[Claudia Oshry]

Hanging out with Morgan.

[Jackie Oshry]

Kyle is, like, picking and choosing, like, what can be said on the show when it's all part of one storyline. And even at the doctor's office, like, Kathy said something, and you see Kylie, like, no. And, like, it's like, looking at the camera, like, oh. And it's like, it's. It's a. The can of worms is open now.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am also just, like, really losing interest. Like, I don't care anymore. When they got divorced, I thought it was really crazy. I'm like, oh, I wonder what happened? And then the Morgan thing. I'm like, okay, this is getting, like, interesting. I officially, like, don't care. Even when I saw the pictures of Mauricio, they wanted us to be, like, I literally didn't care. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I know.

[Claudia Oshry]

And to be honest, I don't even think it was staged. I think, like, I think it's Mykonos in the summer. There was definitely, like, some Bravo Gay in the airport, being like, that's Mauricio. And took a picture. Like, it's not that deep.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's what I thought, too, but I feel like we have to look at the. Actually, I have. We should do this. Look at the credit of the picture.

[Claudia Oshry]

Who. Like, is it a probably tmz?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, the. The photography agency. Like, I feel like that's why it wasn't an agency.

[Claudia Oshry]

It appeared to.

[Jackie Oshry]

But I feel like if anybody called the pop age, it would be the girl.

[Claudia Oshry]

But no, it appeared to have been like a homemade video. And then like a TMZ or somebody buys it and then they get the photo credit for it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Hold on. Not like Splash.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, or then. Then the person who took it sells it to Splash Photo.

[Jackie Oshry]

Coleman Rayner. Okay. Who's that?

[Claudia Oshry]

Google.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because I feel like they are more paparazzi literate than we are. It's a news and picture agency.

[Claudia Oshry]

So somebody sold it to them.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sold it to them. Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Or yes. One of their photographers happened to be at the airport.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't think.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't think it happened to be. I think the girl. I don't think Mauricio called paparazzi. I think the girl or her friend was, like, looking for a moment and called the paparazzi. I know we're supposed to think that Mauricio is, like, a dirt bag because he's, like, kissing on some.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Girl on vacation. But then you need to put in the context of, like, his wife is kissing other. Another woman for a year publicly in a music video, bringing her on the show, like, kind of dangling this in front of everyone. Like, her behavior in terms of moving on and. And disrespecting.

[Claudia Oshry]

She has no leg to stand on. And that's why she's not visibly angry, because she knows she can't be. But she might feel that way just like. Because she does.

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel like not enough people are talking about that. Like, this is in response to all of that. This isn't the first move.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. Mauricio's done nothing wrong.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And now seeing where things are. And I feel like he's probably really happy in his new life and with the young girls. Like, I don't think they're getting back together.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't even know if I want them to want him. Like, it sounds like she's asking him to come home.

[Claudia Oshry]

She. Yeah, she's just, like, asking everyone to stop.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, stop what?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but if she was like, please. Mary's. You're like, I Love you. We have a family I like. Okay, so we both went and had our fun, but, like, we can be together and grow old together. But she's not even saying that now.

[Claudia Oshry]

Another take I had on the episode was that I loved, you know, all the women getting together at this event, but, like, throwing fashion shows is just so O.C.

[Jackie Oshry]

Season one.

[Claudia Oshry]

Thank you. It's like the lowest bar of Real housewives entertainment. And I think as far as they go, like, Suttons was really nice. You know, they had, like, a full red carpet, but, like, I. I can't watch. Like, I really can't watch. It is. And Kathy made it bearable when she, like, literally walked to the back because she obviously thought this was, like, some low budget, loser ass production. Be like, would you like to have to read mc? And then walking back out and not realizing the show started and not realizing that she was on the Runway because the Runway was like this small slab of concrete because it was a pool. So I actually understood Kathy's confusion.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, I thought that Kathy, like, she's got hurt, and so I feel like she must be on some pain meds that, like, had her a little limp.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that was funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because her to Sutton backstage before the show starts. Do you want Dorit to emcee Is, like, the craziest thing that's ever happened. And it's not like Dorit even knew that. That Kathy was saying that. I think she was a little loopy from the meds.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's actually a good point. The. When she's leaving, like, the. The backstage and she's, like, limping, like, that was really funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

When the lights go down and the show's about to start, and it's Kathy.

[Claudia Oshry]

Kathy wandering out, hysterical. Oh, and we did finally get. Not even finally, because we were saying a couple of weeks ago, we hope we see the final result of Erica's house. And we did. And I have to say, I thought it looked so good. Except that hallway. That hallway, like, when she leads to the bedroom, and then, like, that big.

[Jackie Oshry]

Blue bottom, white top.

[Claudia Oshry]

What the heck? Yeah, that was terrible.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I was shocked. It was like somebody designed the whole house and then somebody else designed that hallway. Like, I thought it was so random and weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I guess I wouldn't have done black, but, like, this is Erica's home, and I looked great. I feel the energy emanating. And when Erica said, I know for some people, like, a home renovation, like, is not news or anything, but, like, for me, it's a complete change in my life. Like, I felt like this is one of my. The greatest storylines we've ever gotten from a housewife is Erica's home renovation. I love it, every minute of it.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I. I think her mom is so beautiful. Like, I just. I. I loved. She. She oddly had, like, I guess, like, the most uninteresting storyline that episode. But because it's like your mom comes to visit and you're redecorating your house, to me, that's, like the lowest bar of housewives entertainment.

[Jackie Oshry]

It just goes to show. It depends on.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's Erica the person.

[Jackie Oshry]

And, like, it's just so real.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, we just spent three episodes at Sutton's childhood home, and, like, I could not have cared less about her and her mother.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

But this was really beautiful.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I'm just, like, so proud of Erica. I really don't think. I mean, and they all have been through a lot, but what she's been through in the last three years.

[Claudia Oshry]

Next level.

[Jackie Oshry]

Next level.

[Claudia Oshry]

So nobody's even come close.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm really, really happy for her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me too.

[Jackie Oshry]

And it's a joy to watch.

[Claudia Oshry]

But other than that, it was a relatively nonstop.

[Jackie Oshry]

Jennifer Tilly saved the fashion show as well.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, she is.

[Claudia Oshry]

Every time she talks, I like her even more.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I love that she, like, says stuff that you would think would come off badly, but then she just says it in such a sweet, endearing way. It's like, because she's not worried about what people think of her because she doesn't have.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's very real.

[Jackie Oshry]

She doesn't. She has, like, more money than she'll ever need, and it just comes in the mailbox from her ex husband. Like, you can't cancel her. Like, the check still comes. So she just, like, shares whatever. And even if it's not, like, the most PC thing, and it's just, like, it plays well because it's funny and real.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. I really. I enjoy her a lot.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now, the other thing I watched was the Ruby Frankie documentary. Now, I explained a little bit at the top of the episode, but I just want to tell you, like, what my takeaways were. And, like, I have to tell you about this husband. Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because basically the first two episodes are just, like, she has six kids. Kids. And the older two are on the documentary. In addition to the dad, the younger two, the younger four actually are nameless, faceless. They do a really good job of protecting because their custody battle is still actively ongoing.

[Jackie Oshry]

They live with. And it's Ruby Frank in jail.

[Claudia Oshry]

Ruby Frank and Her business partner, Jody, who both were the abusers, are both serving up to 30 years in prison.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, so how is there, like, a cut custody thing?

[Claudia Oshry]

So the. The. Okay, so basically what happens is, like, they take you through this journey. She was a mommy vlogger for a really long time, at first, making a lot of money. And then the big scandal happens where she says, my son's been sleeping on a beanbag for seven months. And she kind of, like, loses a lot of her revenue, a lot of her viewership. Things turn really dark. And so they then become a different type of channel. They turn their name from eight Passengers, which is like Family Van, to Moms of Truth. And it gets dark. She meets this woman, Jody, who does, like, religious conventions and therapy, and she's, like, a psychologist who lost her license. And this woman Jody, like, infiltrates the family. She eventually moves in with the family, and she's brought in to work with the older son, Chad, who's having a lot of behavioral issues. He got expelled. And she ends up, like, really indoctrinating the members of the family into, like, some sort of cult. Connections is, like, her company name. And she holds these, like, seminars. And they're all really buying it, especially the moment. So much so that, like, the mom and Jody get really close, and they say that they. The oldest daughter was like. I believe that they were sleeping together. Jody used to sleep. I mean, Ruby used to sleep in the business partner's bed every night. The mom used to sleep in the business partner's bed because she would have these, like, religious exorcisms, you know, like, and then they very. Jody very slowly got Ruby to, like, to leave her husband. So the husband's at the documentary. And the abuse that she's gone to prison for occurs over the period of 10 months at the very end of this whole saga. And it's to the two youngest kids.

[Jackie Oshry]

And the husband's not in the picture.

[Claudia Oshry]

Not married, and the husband is not in the picture. So basically, right before this crazy abuse starts, Jody has really infiltrated the mom. And the mom says to the husband, you know, for the sake of our marriage, and they're very religious, Mormon, so getting divorced is, like, not really an option, but she's clearly as a lesbian lover, and they have plans, and they need the dad out of the house. So she says, dad, Kevin, whatever the husband's name is, for the sake of our marriage, we need a separation. You need to move out. You need to go completely. No contact with me and all the kids. So this guy sees this Freak move into his house. Things are getting really weird. The mom's acting crazy, and now he's being told to leave. Now, a dad with even the smallest intuition would say, fuck no, right? There's something weird going on in this house. I'm not leaving. What does this man do? He leaves. He gets an apartment. He blocks all of his children's phone numbers because some of the older kids are, like, starting to see that this is weird and, like, going to their dad for help, and he literally will not respond to them. Okay? And for, like, 10 months, he lives in this apartment just, like, doing what Ruby said, which was not talking to anyone. He's like a hermit. And during those 10 months, she has four kids left. Kids three and four go to, like, live with a friend, and kids five and six live with the mom, Ruby, Jody, the crazy religious psychologist's friend, at her house, four hours away in this, like, really deserted part of Utah. And what goes on in those 10 months is, like, some of the most horrific you can ever imagine. And they only know because the little boy escapes, and they have the ring footage. It's. It's actually so heartbreaking. He walks up, and you could see he's emaciated. Like, you can see only bones. He. He walks up to the house, rings the doorbell, Nobody answers. He's at the neighbor's house. Nobody answers, and he walks away. And thank God somebody. He was, like, an older guy. He took a while to get to the door. He's like, what's up? And the guy's like. The kid's like, can you do me a favor? And the old man's like, well, it depends what it is. He was like, will you take me to the police station? And then the old man comes out of the house, and he sees this kid weighs seriously 5 pounds. He has duct tape on his ankles and wrists. His ankles and wrists are also, like. Like, bleeding. And he sits him down. Him and his wife, like, give him a snack and pretzels and water. And they call the police. And they have the. The phone call to the police. And the guy's like, this kid just showed up at my house, and, oh, my God, this old man starts crying on the phone. Like, just based on what he's seeing. Like, it was so upsetting. He was like, this kid's emaciated. So the police then go to Jody's house. They knock down the door. They gotta find the other two kids. They don't realize the other two kids have been sent to live with a friend.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay? But there's other one kid.

[Claudia Oshry]

Their other daughter. Yes. And this house is huge. And she's got like this huge basement with a safe room. And it's really weird. So they find the other daughter. She's like shaking, sitting in a dark closet. Her head has been shaved. She's emaciated. She has, you know, rope burn all around her ankles and her wrists, like the same exact thing. And they, they can't find the other two kids, but there's this like, big safe in the basement. Like it's a vault door. And Ruby's like, I don't know the code, sorry. And the police officer, just guests. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. And it opens. Okay. And I, I thought the other two kids were going to be in there, and I was so glad that they weren't. But it was clearly like their torture chamber. There was like these Tupperwares full of cayenne and water that like they would throw on the kids wounds, like really evil shit.

[Jackie Oshry]

How old were the two young kids?

[Claudia Oshry]

I believe they were like 10 and 11. Or 12 and 13. Yeah, 12 to 13. So all of this, the kids get taken to the police. Ruby, they're looking for Ruby. Jody gets arrested and they call the dad. Oh, actually, no, I'm sorry. Ruby calls the dad and is like, well, you want me back? Here's your chance. Go pick up our kids at the police station. Bring them back. So this idiot is like following orders, goes to the police station. The police are like, like, do you know what's been going on with your kids? He's like, no, I haven't seen them in 11 months. The place is like, you haven't seen your kids in 11 months? He's like, yeah, no, we're separated. And he's like, well, your kid go when. And rang the neighbor's doorbell. He's emaciated. And this guy who's been so dumb the whole documentary, you want to punch him in the face. But he's like a, he's a smart guy. He has a job. I think he, like, he went to college, got a PhD. What's emaciated mean? Like real fucking moron. And it's, he still does not believe anything. He's like, well, they, they hate us because we're, we're. We're different and we're moral and religious. He ends up like seeing the light at way past the 11th hour and you just want to fucking slap him because he should be in jail too. Like he, he knew what was going on in that house and he like left but now I was like, the only thing the documentary didn't tell us is, like, what happened to the kids? Where do they live? Because the mom and Jody both went to prison. The dad is free. But who is taking care of those two kids? Who. Actually, there's four kids left, but especially the younger ones. So it's all in family court, and it's all, like, sealed records. Yeah. But a report is that the dad is filing for custody. Like, seriously, I don't know what a better alternative is, but. But please, if those kids end up with that idiotic dad, I'll die.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, he was.

[Claudia Oshry]

You wanted to shake the screen. And I know the whole documentary is about Ruby, and she's really evil. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

But that's, like, known. It's always like. Yeah, that's what's frustrating is when there's, like, people who haven't been brought to justice.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. Him, like, so and so. The oldest daughter is, like, an advocate now for. She's trying to bring that California law to Utah. She wrote a book that was really well received, the House of My Mother. And the older kids didn't even really experience that abuse because it was really like, that 10. But she was like a. Like I said, abusive, light mother up until that point with the crazy. And it was all started from the family chapter channel.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, and she liked it at first. Negative experiences from being on a family.

[Claudia Oshry]

Channel because they liked it at first. Like, they were making a lot of money. And especially the kid, he became, like, really popular with girls. But it very quickly turned really dark before it even got abusive. Like, it's just no way to live. Like, a camera in your face every second. Like, you can't enjoy anything your person. Like, kids go through things, like, embarrassing things. All of it splayed out on the Internet. Like, really. It really makes. That wasn't the point of the documentary because obviously the abuse, like, took over. But it's such a conversation worth having. Like, it really made me see. And I think a lot of people come to family channels. I think Ruby did fairly innocently.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And I.

[Claudia Oshry]

But you.

[Jackie Oshry]

I also think, like, not everyone who shares their family life, like, has a family channel. Do you know what I mean?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't follow any family channels.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. Where, like, each kid is a character.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. And it's like, that's their whole shtick. Like, a lot of Jackie, they got.

[Claudia Oshry]

Paid $10, and when they were in a video, she was making at one point, a hundred thousand dollars a month from YouTube.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Evil and her ugly face. Every time she was smiling with that big gummy smile, I wanted to smack her. She's really evil. And I love that the courts did their thing, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Okay, well, I feel sick. Thanks.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, no, I wouldn't recommend you watch it. And it was a good documentary, though, and I'm glad that I watched it because there was like, she was being spoken about so much online and I knew very little.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's just something you could jump into, especially when it's someone that you didn't. Didn't know before this all happened. Like, there's a history.

[Claudia Oshry]

She started vlogging in like 2000. Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Really crazy stuff.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, that's your TV recap, your pit.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of the day, and that's our show. You guys make sure to come back tomorrow. We've got summer house recap.

[Jackie Oshry]

Summer. Summer. Are you sure? Wednesday.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Interesting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, we got. We got like a full week of content these days.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. Thank you so much for listening to the toast of Monday morning show. We deliver the fastest stories you need to every Monday, Friday on YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube. Please feel subscribing this video. Thumbs up. We're also available podcast. Every podcast be found so Spotify, tune stitcher, public radio castbox, all the place web visited podcast. Find us at toastle five starview at a beautiful setting and lay down. There we are.

[Jackie Oshry]

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