Wokechella: Monday, April 13th, 2026

Summary

The Toast Podcast Summary

Episode: Wokechella: Monday, April 13th, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry (Dear Media)
Date: April 13, 2026

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Overview

This lively post-Coachella Monday episode of The Toast, fondly dubbed "Toastchella" and "Wokechella," finds Jackie and Claudia recapping the weekend’s biggest entertainment news, pop culture dramas, influencer tea, and a touch of space unity. Their signature candid sisterly banter is on full display, from Coachella recap and festival scandals to messy reality TV developments and even a breaking influencer feud.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weekend & Personal Catch-Up (00:22–08:16)

• Claudia was busy socializing all weekend, exhausting her social battery after family time (02:42).
• Jackie enjoyed a relaxing, cozy weekend at home with her son Maxi, and finally dined at Claudia's favorite Florida restaurant (03:02–03:33).
• Claudia details her outing with her "celebrity mom group," including trying caviar for the first time (04:11–05:42).
• Entertaining tangent about gout and misconceptions around historical diseases (05:42–06:26).
• Book chat: Jackie discusses starting the much-buzzed memoir "Strangers," and Claudia talks about men authors, specifically James Frey (08:29–10:43).
• Brief reflection on the mysterious and whimsical nature of dreams (12:08–14:04).

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2. Coachella 2026 Recap: The “Wokechella” Breakdown (19:04–52:45)

2a. Performance Highlights & Scandals

• Sabrina Carpenter:

  • Claudia gushes about Sabrina as a “greatest performer of our time,” describing her set as dynamic, fresh, and full-on spectacle (19:26–20:31).
  • Discussion of the viral "Zagruta gate"—an audience member performed a North African celebratory chant ("zagruta") during Sabrina’s quiet piano moment. Sabrina called it “yodeling” and stopped the show, leading to accusations of cultural insensitivity (20:51–26:40).
  • Both hosts emphasize it was likely a misunderstanding, dissect Sabrina’s apology (“Could have handled it better. Now I know what a zagruta is… I welcome all cheers and yodels from here on out.” – Sabrina Carpenter, 23:15), and debate the complexities of woke and cancel culture.

• Justin Bieber vs. Sabrina – The Male vs. Female Pop Star Double Standard:

  • Bieber’s lower-energy show (including a 20-minute segment “watching YouTube videos on stage”) is contrasted with Sabrina’s high-effort performance (31:26–35:44).
  • “The level of expectation from the audience… for our male pop stars vs. our female pop stars, the level of critique we give to the women versus the men, it’s actually insane.” – Claude, 32:19

• Other Performances:

  • Teddy Swims praised for bringing out Joe Jonas and Vanessa Carlton; suggestion he should headline (45:43).
  • Carol G mentioned, but noted as under-covered.

2b. Influencer/Brand Drama

• The Starbucks Creator House Blowup (39:33–44:52):

  • Starbucks’ influencer house at Coachella causes major backlash among “wokey” TikTok factions over rumors of Starbucks being “Zionist,” which Claudia debunks (“The entire boycott… is actually based on delusional conspiracy theories…” – Claude, 44:30).
  • Notable creators called out: Audrey Peters, Victoria Paris, Bran, and the Umanskys.
  • Discussion of hypocrisy and the newly fraught landscape of brand deals for politically vocal influencers:
    • “If you are a tiktoker who makes a lot of political posts… your people are going to come for you. And honestly, I stand with them… but the girl who makes videos about Hermès Kellys? Like, are you serious?” – Claude, 41:46

• Influencer FOMO, Brand Activations, and Coachella as a Fashion Event:

  • Claudia and Jackie admit they see Coachella mostly through influencer eyes these days.
  • Brands like Revolve, Camp Poosh, Barbie held events/houses; Jackie ponders what’s actually being sold besides vibes (39:45, 39:54, 39:14).

2c. Fashion & Social Trends from Coachella

• Trends: “Big low rise pants and a bikini top for a shirt.” – Claude, 48:29
• Noted a return to “OG Coachella” bohemian—flowy skirts, Vanessa Hudgens vibes (49:00–49:11).
• Instagram’s influencer landscape has aged; TikTok is the new pipeline for festival content (49:45–50:09).

2d. Celebrity Sightings & Gossip

• Kendall Jenner & Jacob Elordi seen making out (37:47); speculation that this is an uninspired match but amusing.
• Kylie Jenner’s girls’ trip, possible Timothy Chalamet sighting, and Bieber fandom discussed (52:00).

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3. Reality TV Tea: Summer House & Bravo Updates (52:45–58:28)

• Amanda Batula responds to backlash over her romance with West Wilson, apologizing to hurt parties and asking for privacy as she resumes daily life (53:48).

  • Claudia and Jackie dissect the “weird” tone of Amanda's statement, speculate on West’s feelings (“He’s in a pickle… he likes being beloved.” – Claude, 55:32), and predict a messy, emotionally taxing reunion.

• Real Housewives of Beverly Hills drama:

  • Rachel Zoe’s ex-husband’s new girlfriend Bri Jacoby posts a fiery Instagram story slamming Rachel for allegedly acting jealous and being nasty (64:49–69:17).
  • Quote: “See ya at the bar mitzvah. Oh, that made me sick.” – Jackie, 64:49
  • Hosts side with Rachel on needing space and respect in blended families.

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4. Sports Headlines: The Masters (69:19–76:17)

• Rory McIlroy wins the Masters; Claudia admits an irrational dislike for Rory (“He gives off bad vibes. It’s all based on vibes.” – Claude, 73:53).
• Recap of postgame narratives:
  • Rory’s awkward family celebration; drama about access to Augusta; contrast between his public stance on LIV golf and reality.
  • Broader question about who are the “heroes” in sports and how much personal liking (or disliking) of athletes factors in fandom.

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5. Fast 5 Final Story: NASA’s Artemis 2 Returns (76:20–81:08)

• Artemis 2 astronauts return after a historic moon mission, receiving a hero’s welcome (76:49–78:34).
• Hosts reflect emotionally on the impact of space achievement as a message of unity for civilization:
  • “When you’re up there, we are one. When we’re down here, it’s like… all this stuff. But when you’re up there, we are one.” – Jackie, 77:21
  • Claudia quotes a female astronaut: “I wasn’t even looking so much at Earth. I was looking at all the blackness around it. All we have is each other.” (78:07)
  • They stress the need for more public focus on science role models and the beauty of the “one human race” viewpoint.

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6. Breaking News: Alex Cooper vs. Alex Earl Feud (82:19–88:29)

• In a last-minute segment, the hosts react live to Alex Cooper’s public TikTok call-out of Alex Earl, demanding she state her issues directly:
  • “The passive aggressive reposts and the likes and the commenting on things… you’re gonna need to get specific and just say what you gotta say about me. There’s no NDA. No one is stopping you.” – Alex Cooper, 82:40–83:40
• Jackie and Claudia call Cooper’s approach “masterful” and note it “puts all of the onus on Alex Earl” (84:33–85:10).
• They speculate on the fallout, pressuring Alex Earl to respond with something “really crazy” or risk losing the narrative (86:44–88:16).
• Anticipation for what’s next: “Balls in Alex Earl’s court. And unfortunately for her, she has to take a shot, and she cannot miss.” – Jackie, 88:16

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Letting a man control you is grossly underrated… Now Ben does a lot of things, and I feel like I’m actually doing less. And it’s such a genuine pleasure to be a kept woman…” – Claude, 01:45–02:26
• “Caviar is good. That’s fine.” – Jackie, 05:29
• “It’s the only part of the human experience—it’s like, genuinely… you connect with alternate universes and those who have passed away, all through your dreams.” – Claude, 13:16
• “The level of critique we give to the women versus the men, like, it’s actually insane… Just compared, these two things happening back to back—Friday and Saturday—the difference was so palpable, it was shocking.” – Claude, 32:19
• “Starbucks is a no-go… if you’re like a wokey TikToker and you have Starbucks in your video, the comments will be about it, you know?” – Claude, 40:13
• “If you engage in that sort of cult… if you are a TikToker who makes a lot of political posts, your people are going to come for you… but the girl who makes videos about Hermès Kellys? Are you serious?” – Claude, 41:46
• “See ya at the bar mitzvah. Oh, that made me sick.” – Jackie, 64:49
• “When you’re up there, we are one.” – Jackie, 77:21
• “Balls in Alex Earl’s court. And unfortunately for her, she has to take a shot, and she cannot miss.” – Jackie, 88:16

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Additional Timestamps for Key Segments

• Coachella Performance Recap: 19:04–27:02
• Sabrina/Zagruta Controversy: 20:51–27:01
• Influencer Brand House Scandal: 39:33–44:52
• Fashion Trends: 48:27–49:16
• Kendall & Jacob Elordi Sighting: 37:47
• Amanda & West Summer House Drama: 52:45–58:28
• Rachel Zoe/RHOBH Family Drama: 62:55–69:17
• The Masters Recap: 69:19–76:17
• Artemis 2/Moon Launch and Message: 76:20–81:08
• Alex Cooper/Alex Earl Feud: 82:19–88:29

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Tone & Style

The episode is classic Toast: sharp, irreverent, self-deprecating, and thoroughly plugged into both influencer culture and Bravo TV. Jackie and Claudia balance pointed cultural commentary with playful sibling ribbing and plenty of empathy for those caught up in the week’s scandals. Their nuanced yet comedic approach to topics like “cancel culture,” influencer hypocrisy, and the search for unity in divisive times keeps the content relatable and lively.

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TL;DR

"Wokechella" delivers a whirlwind tour of Coachella 2026 and its ensuing controversies, from Sabrina Carpenter’s cultural blunder to justice for caviar bugles, influencer house drama, the never-ending pop star double standard, and the ripple effects of reality TV betrayals. Jackie and Claudia dissect both viral online beefs and cosmic messages of unity backdropped by the Artemis 2 astronauts’ return. The surprise Alex Cooper vs. Alex Earl showdown ensures the pop culture tea will keep simmering until next time.

Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Claude]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

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[Claude]

We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Claude]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Monday after Coachella, it's Toast. Chella, welcome back. Hey, Jax, how you motherfucking darn, darn good Toastella?

[Jackie]

Greater than Coachella.

[Claude]

Do you feel this call woke Chella? There was, like, so many scandals. I know. You don't even know about them because a lot of them are happening on TikTok. Woke.

[Jackie]

Wires crossing.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, oh, I loved it.

[Claude]

We have so much to talk about.

[Jackie]

Oh, I want to know more than what I know.

[Claude]

I have no idea what's going on. Do you know about the Starbucks creator house?

[Jackie]

I don't know about the Starbucks creator house, but that's our sponsor right there, what they do.

[Claude]

I will tell you all about it in our first story where we recap Coachella. Hey, Jax, welcome back to the show. I didn't speak to you all weekend. We kept missing each other.

[Jackie]

We were playing phone tag all weekend, I think starting Friday night. We actually spoke a little bit Friday night. But then, of course, like, Ben walked into the room, and I was done. Ruined everything, by the way. Classic Claude.

[Claude]

Claude. Classic Ben. He comes in the room and just, like, demands, like, he's so controlling.

[Jackie]

Hanging up for him.

[Claude]

Yeah, sorry. Like, I'm like. I'm like. I'm like, if you're in the room with me, you do take precedent. Unless there's, like, an emergency on the phone.

[Jackie]

No, I'm just saying I feel like people wouldn't, like, think that about you.

[Claude]

I let a man control me, and I think some of you bitches could actually, like, benefit from being controlled by your man because some of you guys are out of control. I'm 100 kidding. Yeah.

[Jackie]

No, she lets a man control her. I just feel like people don't know that about her.

[Claude]

No. And I just want to say letting a man control you is grossly underrated. I'm not talking about, obviously, in, like, a toxic, manipulative, abusive way. I'm talking about just, like, a few years ago, I made the decision to, like, let Ben do stuff.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claude]

Because I'm very controlling, and, like, I have to do it. And then I think maybe when I was pregnant, I didn't have the energy, I couldn't do things. So I started relying on Ben for, like, random things. And now Ben does a lot of things, and I feel like I'm actually doing less. And it's such a genuine pleasure to be a kept woman in. In whatever regard, whether your husband pays the bills or your husband does all the physical labor in the house, like, normalize, like, letting your husband do stuff. It's kind of amazing.

[Jackie]

Okay, so. So that's not him controlling you if you just, like, relinquished a tiny bit of control.

[Claude]

He thinks he's controlling me, but I'm really controlling him.

[Jackie]

T. Well, all else to say, we didn't get to talk this weekend because demanding your time.

[Claude]

I'm exhausted. I am exhausted. I did not stop socializing this weekend. Like, my social battery. Zero.

[Jackie]

Sorry to hear it.

[Claude]

I went out Friday night after bedtime, Saturday night after bedtime, and I was out all day Sunday. Like, socializing with friends, you know, I guess that's what happens when you just, like, pick up and hang out with your family for three months straight. Like, you do have to come back up with friends and, like, mend fences. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Oh, that's. That's nice. I had a very relaxing weekend. A lot of time padding around the house with Maxi. You know, Zach took the big boys out, got him the. Their energy out, and then I get to stay cozy.

[Claude]

Cozy. Yeah.

[Jackie]

But we did go out last night. We went out for dinner to your favorite restaurant.

[Claude]

Oh, you did go out to dinner to my favorite restaurant in Florida. And when I was in Florida, I asked you 1000 times if we could go to my favorite restaurant, and you were just, like, always busy or, you

[Jackie]

know, they never could take us. And, like, we need to teach so early. And they never could take us so early. Really? They never could take it so early. We went at, like, 4, but we ate at 5.

[Claude]

I did so many things. Like, first of all, I was, like, so out and about. I went out with my celebrity mom group. I don't know if you guys saw my viral tick tock that I made.

[Jackie]

Why didn't you post it on reels?

[Claude]

I don't know. I don't. Like, I feel shy on reels. On tick.

[Jackie]

I know. I feel like you only give your best of your best to reels. Yeah.

[Claude]

And I. But why would you need to stop doing that? I don't know.

[Jackie]

But why wouldn't you feel like that was your best of your best? Especially if it's, like, with Stassy Shannon and they are, like, big on Instagram, too.

[Claude]

Yeah, No, I should have just, like, converted to reals. Now it's too late for sure. I did something crazy that evening.

[Jackie]

What did you do?

[Claude]

Okay, so we were ordering food and ordering appetizers, and we went to, like, this very, like, fancy restaurant. They serve, like, a lot of champagne, caviar, martini vibes, you know, very, like, New York. Like, they're kind of Russian, actually. And everyone's, like, being weird about appetizers. I said, you guys, like a fun fact. I mean, I don't eat appetizers, so I do the appetizers amongst herself. And they're like, should we do this and should we do that? And they're all just, like, giving weird eyes. I'm like, what's not being said here? And of course, Taylor's Trekker was like, does anyone, like, want to get caviar? And, you know, it's like $400, so you can't just order it for the group. And then, of course, Shannon and Sassy were like, for sure. So I don't partake in those sort of festivities. My palette is just not mature enough. And they brought it out, and everyone's like, you know, eating it up. And I'm just, like, looking around, being like, you're very cardboard of me. I'm like, you know, we are gonna have to split this dinner right down the middle. And everyone's indulging in 400 caviar. And the way they served it, it came with a bugle, like the chips I used to put on your pinky finger.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claude]

You know, I love a bugle. And I felt weird about just, like, taking just a bugle, like, how tacky am I? So they were like, you have to try. And so everyone actually made me a little bugle in a way that they thought I would like it. And I was like, judging whose was the best. Taylor Shreker really does know me, let me tell you. It was kind of good.

[Jackie]

Caviar is good. That's fine.

[Claude]

The bugle definitely, like, was the right vessel for me, but I ate caviar. And then the next night, Ben ordered it too, and I ate it again.

[Jackie]

Look at Go good. You're going to get out.

[Claude]

Well, then at dinner, I was. Shannon and I were like, we're going to get gown. Haha. And Stassi was like, well, you can't actually get gout because, you know, Stacy's like a period piece girl. She watches and reads a lot about, like, old period when, you know, the king's disease was very popular to get gout back in the day. It comes up now. She didn't know that, like, in the

[Jackie]

modern era now with lottery winners And

[Claude]

Brian Kelly, like, I know someone who had gout. And Shannon also knows someone who has gout. And Stassi thought we were like, pranking her. She was like, you can't get gout now.

[Jackie]

That's like telling someone they'll get consumption. It's like, that's a. Okay.

[Claude]

She had no idea gout existed in the modern world. And I'm like, no, no, it 100.

[Jackie]

Watch that.

[Claude]

I'm like, your big toe it like, it's very painful, actually. She's like, you guys are with me. She literally did not believe us. I'm like, why would we make that up? Like 100.

[Jackie]

But you would.

[Claude]

I would, yeah.

[Jackie]

So it's, it's reasonable that she thought you were messing with her.

[Claude]

Then I also went out Saturday night. Like, yeah, I went to the Polo Bar. I'm extremely cool. Like, I'm sorry, I don't know what you guys want me to say. I went to the Polo Bar and I had an amazing meal and I had an amazing time. I was so tired. And then on Sunday, I woke up and I went to Jersey City and, you know, I only crossed state lines for one person. Two people, one household. One household. Three people, one household. I got to meet the Taylor's baby. I haven't met them. And Ben has met her weirdly before me. Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Taylor. Taylor and Taylor Jr. TJ. Do they call her Taylor Jr. No,

[Claude]

they call her Bo.

[Jackie]

They should call her TJ.

[Claude]

Oh, my God, she was so cute. And then Brian came with his kids who have obviously met, but it was just like sort of a meeting of the minds. Kind of what Taylor Strecker was calling the Turnt girls reunion. Kind of like turn girls all grown up. You know, do the two.

[Jackie]

It was very civilized that there's a war unturned.

[Claude]

That's a good question. I don't think they do because we're still using it. And it's like, oh, it was a safe space. Like, yeah, we were using it in its original form.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but you guys definitely have haters 1000%.

[Claude]

Oh, and I told Ben also this weekend that we have to watch Ken Burton's Central park because we went to Central park on Saturday and we just like situated ourselves up on this hill. We rolled out our outdoor blanket and

[Jackie]

it was kind of like that hill just landed there. That hill was part of a months, years long planning process.

[Claude]

And Ben and I were talking about how it was kind of like the best hour of our life. It was the most perfect day. I was perched up On a hill. I could see the duck pod. The cherry blossoms were in bloom. And, like, I don't know if I've ever been happier in my life than I was sitting on this hill that Ken Burns built. So I said, ben, you know, we have to watch this thing. We didn't, but we will. It's, like, on my list.

[Jackie]

And you know that Ken Burns didn't build it. You know that, right?

[Claude]

I've seen the Mindy project. I know who Ken Burns is, okay?

[Jackie]

I just, like, don't want to be spreading misinformation. God forbid. We would never, never. I also did something crazy. I started that book that everyone's talking about Strangers.

[Claude]

I was talking to, like, former members of my book club, which, like, hasn't met in two years. And everyone was like, somebody wrote in the chat, like, is anyone reading books anymore? And we were like, yeah, a couple people were like, I'm about to start. I'm thinking about starting Strangers. And they were like, should we read it and get together? So hope springs eternal for my book club.

[Jackie]

That would be a good book club book. I'm really enjoying it. I didn't know really anything about it going into it. It says, like, strangers, A memoir of a broken marriage or whatever. So I'm like, okay, it's a memoir.

[Claude]

It's, like, about a divorce. I'm gonna read it, so don't tell me.

[Jackie]

I'm not gonna tell you that much. But then I start reading it, and I'm like, oh, right, a memoir. Even sometimes in the book, if they're like, this is my story, I'm like, well, is that just a ploy? You know? Like, it's really a work of nonfiction, which it is. It's just this woman's memoir. But this woman, as story of her divorce, like, is, like a it crate, has, like, a crazy legacy. Like her grandma's Babe Paley, who was, like, married.

[Claude]

Wait, please don't tell me.

[Jackie]

No, no, but it's not a. A spoiler or anything.

[Claude]

No, I know. I just, like, I want to go into the book how you went into the book.

[Jackie]

Just, like, completely fine. I'm like, this woman has, like, such, like, impressive. Yeah. And she's, like, spilling the beans. It's kind of great. But she's earned the right to do so.

[Claude]

I'm in the middle of the redheads book next to heaven. I would say about 60% through. I'm really enjoying it, but. But he kind of needs to get to the point. And, you know, I really don't like reading Books written by men. It makes you feel weird. And on the book jacket, he's got this big picture of himself, and, like, I keep accidentally flipping to it, and the book is kind of sexual, and

[Jackie]

it's just like, oh, wait, I haven't seen the photo.

[Claude]

Yeah, don't, like, don't.

[Jackie]

I don't mind reading books by men because I so rarely do it that it's like, just something different.

[Claude]

And then on the book jacket, it says, he's the bad boy of American literature. That's like.

[Jackie]

He is. You know, he was, like, so canceled.

[Claude]

Was he?

[Jackie]

He's a canceled author. Yeah.

[Claude]

Wait, what did he. What did he do?

[Jackie]

Okay, maybe you remember this when we were growing up, his name's James Frey. He had the biggest book in the world called A Million Little Pieces. It was Oprah's Book Club book. It, like, it took over the country. You know how once in a while a memoir does that?

[Claude]

Everyone's talking about strangers.

[Jackie]

Strangers bigger than that. Like, just everywhere this book was. And then it turned out that he, like, it was his memoir and it. Or his story. And it turned out that, like, he made up, like, a lot of it and wasn't like, I don't really care. I don't really care either, but that is dis. Dishonest.

[Claude]

So this particular book I like because each chapter's, like, three or four pages, and I could be like, oh, just one more chapter. I like. You know me. I like, like, short things. But each chapter, you know, there's like, this big mystery, right? I think they tell you at the beginning, someone gets murdered, and you don't know who it is, how it is, who, what, when, where, why, how. And so each chapter is, like, sort of leading up to this big build of who gets murdered and why. And it's like, just. You need to sort of land the plane already. I've read a hundred chapters, and it's like. And he always wins until he doesn't. And it's like, well, what are we talking about? Every chapter ends in, like, some sort of cliffhanger. Spooky. And she was smiling until she wasn't.

[Jackie]

Now that you're reading it, who do you think? Like, while you're in the middle of it, who do you think gets murdered?

[Claude]

Just, like, obviously it's gonna be Anna, because everybody here is, like, wealthy and privileged, and she's just, like, you know, the lovely housekeeper trying to make enough money to send back to her family who was deported. So, like, the book, like, she's obviously the one who's gonna get killed. And she's like getting a involved with like the crazy rich people.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Okay, we'll circle back on that prediction.

[Claude]

Wait, I had something else to say.

[Jackie]

Cuz we've got a lot of stories to discuss.

[Claude]

I know. And I kind of want to get all my like, personal drama out of the way. So I'm not like.

[Jackie]

Are you having a lot of personal

[Claude]

drama always, like, when you have as many friends as I do, it's kind of comes with the territory, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

What was I going to say, Ghost? It'll come back. You know, I've actually been thinking I need to get like a really cute pad and pen.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I've been saying.

[Claude]

Have you?

[Jackie]

I have one.

[Claude]

It's amazing. Shut that down like you. But like. No, I need it right here. Yeah, on my armchair. You have one. I don't see it over there.

[Jackie]

It's over there.

[Claude]

Not much use to you over there.

[Jackie]

Straight. It's straight.

[Claude]

Give me one minute. We were talking about strangers. Bell burden. What did we talk about right before? Bell Burden. Whatever. It's like, how uninteresting is it listening to somebody like, yeah, trying to recall. It's almost as bad. Actually had a crazy dream this weekend. But I will tell you.

[Jackie]

Absolutely not.

[Claude]

I won't tell you. But I did tell a couple of people and they were like really shocked by it. So it's not like, like, if you're a personally invested in like my life, which I think that you are, you would care about the dream, but nobody listening to the podcast would care about the dream.

[Jackie]

But I was thinking about dreams in general. Like, I feel like they're the only part of like the world. Like, you know, human beings that like, doesn't make sense. You know, like everything else about human beings, like, serves a function. It's so rational to the next thing. Like every set down to the cells in our body. What the are dreams?

[Claude]

I thought you what you were gonna say that I think is a better point not to like, you know, not support your calls.

[Jackie]

Well, it says why don't you. Why don't you throw it out?

[Claude]

I think the craziest part of dreams is that it's the only part of like the human experience. It's like genuinely like. What's the word I'm looking for? Like you. I do believe you connect with like alternate universes and those who have passed away, like all through your dreams. Like, everything is so grounded in reality. Like your body. But like your dreams are the one time as a human being, like, where you get to experience, like, I know, some, like, spooky magical realism, you know?

[Jackie]

That's literally what I was saying. Everything else makes sense, I guess.

[Claude]

Like, we did say the same thing, but mine, I feel like I frames it a little more, like, whimsical.

[Jackie]

Okay. But I'm so glad that we. It's the same thing that we're saying.

[Claude]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that to say, I had a crazy dream and I won't tell you

[Jackie]

guys about it because it is spooky, whimsical. So it's nonsensical, really.

[Claude]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Which is weird because the rest of the world is very orderly.

[Claude]

Ain't that the truth? Artemis returned.

[Jackie]

It's a story.

[Claude]

Oh, okay. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Jackie]

Let's get into the stories, because there's lots to discuss in the fast five stories that you do need to know.

[Claude]

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[Jackie]

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[Jackie]

Jerz. You're welcome, Jerzo. Our first story.

[Claude]

My headphones aren't working. I can't hear anything.

[Jackie]

You're welcome, Jerzo.

[Claude]

Hello.

[Jackie]

Our first story. Chocheller 2026. Sabrina just Austin. Teddy Swims. Addison, everybody. Kylie.

[Claude]

Kylie.

[Jackie]

I would say Kylie Cella.

[Claude]

Let's break it down in a couple of categories. First, let's start with the performances. You know, that's what everybody shows up for.

[Jackie]

And let's sort of go in, like, order of how we experienced it.

[Claude]

So I saw Sabrina and I just want to say not one ounce of my soul wanted to be a Coachella. Like, it's a young girl's game, you know. I'm not interested, however, like, seeing Sabrina, whom, like, I think is one of the greatest performers of our time. Like, she fires on all cylinders constantly. Wardrobe, dancing, pyro vocals, hair, like, everything. She's so amazing. I just love her so much. It was so fun. It was so fresh. I feel like she's been on tour for, like, three years straight and I know her tour by heart right by now. Like, from Tick Tock, the same outfits, the Juno position, yada yada. This was totally new, totally fresh. I hadn't seen most of it before and I actually really wanted to be there. It looked like I just love her.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it looked really amazing. Like, the sets were insane.

[Claude]

Insane.

[Jackie]

And just like, really big. Really big.

[Claude]

She was just firing on all cylinders in every category. Like, doing the most dancing, the most with the background singers the most with, like, it was just a spectacle, as Coachella should be. You know, it's a performance for a hundred thousand people, some of whom are standing a mile away. Like, you need to be able to see things. It's a big thing. So I thought she crushed it.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it looks really amazing. But was totally overshadowed by the scandal that she's found herself.

[Claude]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie]

So during her performance and also all the performances. Performances are, like, live streamed. You can watch at home. So people were watching at home and everybody.

[Claude]

So it's not even like you're performing for a hundred thousand people. You're performing for, like, 5 million.

[Jackie]

And it's like high quality. It's like a concert DVD.

[Claude]

Yep, yep.

[Jackie]

But in a clip from the festival, an audience member can be heard. What? Voicing. What we now know is a Zagruta chant. And Sabrina stops the concert. While she's sitting at the piano, she says, I think I heard someone yodel. Is that what you're doing? I don't like it.

[Claude]

The attempt quiet part of the concert.

[Jackie]

She's, like, sitting at the piano talking, and someone is doing this Zagruta cheer.

[Claude]

So I actually know the cheer because it's North African.

[Jackie]

So it's Middle Eastern and North African.

[Claude]

So when I do it with my Moroccan, like, I've been to our Wedding in Morocco where I look like. And it's like a celebratory chat. It's very positive and it's not loud.

[Jackie]

It's not specific to like one religion either. I feel like people are. Are like, like thinking that it's, you know, she's being Islamophobic. I mean, Muslims do it, Christians do it, Jews do it. It's just. It's regional more so it's not religious. And so we don't even know the person who was doing it in the audience.

[Claude]

She could be a Jew and believe in God.

[Jackie]

She could be a Christian.

[Claude]

Yeah. No, it's true. So it is associated with a region.

[Jackie]

So then she goes, the person in the audience is having a conversation with Sabrina somehow, which is insane when you

[Claude]

think about the like, like how many people. I can't believe you could even hear someone in the front row. When you're Sabrina, the stage is so big. Even if barricade like you're. You're the first person, you are still maybe 100ft away.

[Jackie]

We can hear it in the live stream.

[Claude]

It's so crazy. And they must have been doing it so loud.

[Jackie]

So the girl shouts back, it's my culture. And Sabrina's like, that's. Your culture is yodeling. And the audience member yell back, It's a call of celebration. And then Sabrina goes, is this burning man? What's going on? This is weird. And then she went back to her performance.

[Claude]

I will say the interaction is so strange on both of their parts. Like, Sabrina, this is the biggest moment of your career. Why have you stopped to acknowledge like some random in the. In the audience. Random in the audience. I appreciate you trying to make this a teachable moment, but just like genuinely not the time. Of course, the people on the Internet just ran with it so much so I thought it was so silly. Like it was so clearly a misunderstanding. Like, sure, you could say Sabrina's being insensitive. She has no idea what's going on. You could also argue that like the person screaming in the front row and Sabrina is trying to have a quiet moment is disrespectful to the performer. Like, are we really going to dive into this random moment where she has in ear monitors and she can't like this. So stupid. I couldn't believe how big it got that Sabrina actually responded after this big moment in her career.

[Jackie]

She said, my apologies. I didn't see this person with my eyes and couldn't hear clearly. My reaction was pure confusion, sarcasm and not ill intended. Could have handled it Better. Now I know what is a gruta is I welcome all cheers and yodels from here on out.

[Claude]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Like, it's just funny. She's found herself in this, like, sticky situation and she is, like, very woke. So I think she's like, not just gonna brush it off. Even though I think her response is like, perfectly appropriate. And like, for me, for me, it's like a rational headed person. Like, this is really a nothing burger. I don't think she meant to be insensitive. But it's funny how when she thought the person was yodeling, she was like, fine to make fun of their culture,

[Claude]

but then they're telling her that it's North African.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like she said, is that yolanding?

[Claude]

I don't like it.

[Jackie]

It's weird. And like. But then now that it's like Middle Eastern North African, like, I'm sorry. Yeah, but no, it's a yodel. You can make fun of it. It's just funny, like the woke wires being crossed. Because I don't think she would ever want to offend or come off as like, culturally insensitive or ignorant.

[Claude]

But culturally insensitive is, in this day and age, like, genuinely one of the worst things you can be labeled. Like it is a career.

[Jackie]

Unless it's yodelers and correct rednecks. So I think she just was hearing something and was confused by it and like, didn't know all the layers that she was stepping into. So I think she must really regret that. But like, in the moment she just. But yeah, it was sort of an overreaction. But I do feel like she like, banters a lot in her set. So, like, if she's hearing something, she's like talking about it. You know, she loves. That's her personality is like whippy. And I, I think she just like stepped into something that, that, that she didn't.

[Claude]

Couldn't get out of. Yeah, yeah. It was like crazy to see people's reactions, like the things she was being called. And I guess, like, she had to respond. I thought it was so asinine. It was so clearly. You think she knows what this thing is? And like, it was so clearly a misunderstood.

[Jackie]

I don't think anybody thinks, like, she knows what it is and like, is putting down the culture. I think they would say that that's ignorant that she didn't know what it was.

[Claude]

Okay, Yeah, I guess it is ignorant because, like, I know what it is.

[Jackie]

Yeah, totally. And it's funny. I wonder why the person who was doing it hasn't like, come forward, you

[Claude]

know, literally a documentary.

[Jackie]

No, like, usually we would hear. We would know who that person was. And I also think, you know, they could get Serena Sabrina off the hook a little bit.

[Claude]

Well, of course, I'm waiting for her next song to have as a gruto. Like, like, baked into the track.

[Jackie]

She's actually bringing the person.

[Claude]

No, because she's bringing in the person who did it, and she has, like, a cut of the song, and she's lifting up, you know, North African voices, Middle Eastern voices. That's going to be, like, the. Like, the backtrack to her next lead single.

[Jackie]

But that's also cultural appropriation. Not good.

[Claude]

No, I don't think.

[Jackie]

She didn't know what it was last week, and now she's making money off it this week.

[Claude]

But she's not. That's what I'm saying. Sabrina's not doing the Zagruta. The person from Coachella is. She's gonna loop it into the track, and then that person's vocals on the track, and you get, like, a piece.

[Jackie]

Right. But she's making money from the song, like, and she's.

[Claude]

All the proceeds will be donated to the Zagruta Foundation. Like, that's the only way to do it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. This is just a funny one. I feel like people don't really know, like.

[Claude]

Yeah, like. Like, because it's so clearly, like, not an actual offensive. Like, she didn't set out to hurt anyone, and it just became so big. I couldn't believe she responded.

[Jackie]

I did. I've been seeing. I haven't. I only know, like, what trickles down to me. And, like, for as much as I've seen her sitting on the seat that was sprinkling water.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I've seen Zagruta Gate.

[Claude]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jackie]

It is everywhere, which is crazy.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I think if she didn't respond to it, like, she wouldn't be, like, the woke queen that she is.

[Claude]

Right, Right.

[Jackie]

You know, she brought out Susan Sarandon.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So her wires are getting crossed as well. I think everybody's really confused, used.

[Claude]

And there's also, like, you know, Coachella in its. Or, like, at its core, is controversial.

[Jackie]

Explain.

[Claude]

So the company that owns Coachella, I think, is called Golden Voice.

[Jackie]

Golden Voice.

[Claude]

And, you know, it's kind of how, like, Chick Fil A is controversial because they support the Salvation Army. Okay. Like, people, like, say, you can't go to Chick Fil A because, like, it's homophobic. I think that's.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but what does that have to do with the Salvation Army?

[Claude]

They are considered controversial because of their work with Salvation army, which I think.

[Jackie]

What did the Salvation army do?

[Claude]

Why is the Salvation army considered homophobic to people? Question mark. I know there's a thing here I just can't remember. Yeah. Past policies, public statements and controversies, some of which date back decades and some more recent. Oh, because. Oh, yeah. Because Salvation army is like, a very traditional Christian organization, like marriage. So it's a Christian church organization that believes, you know, historically, they've had some sort of, like, you know, crazy takes on the church.

[Jackie]

I mean, gay marriage.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And Chick Fil A. Chick Fil A. Like Salvation Army.

[Claude]

Yeah. It's like a part of their.

[Jackie]

Doesn't everywhere support Salvation Army?

[Claude]

The Santa's on the street in New York City. Our Salvation Army. Yeah.

[Jackie]

It isn't like. I. I guess I'll have to look now. Notice.

[Claude]

And why is Golden Voice also considered controversial? I remember Golden Voice, the company behind Coachella. They've had a few. Yeah, right. Very similar, you know, like a. Not a founder, but, like a big. Yeah. The owner is, you know, LGB against LGBTQ plus. So for, like, it is a lot of people, actually. I feel like Pink won't do it, but for the most part, like, all these artists, they still do it.

[Jackie]

That's. I didn't know that.

[Claude]

Yes. I know. Like, I'm very. I'm very up with, like, what the Wokies are up to. Like, I try to keep up, so.

[Jackie]

And Lady Gaga did it.

[Claude]

Yes. Yeah. So it is considered. You know, some people consider doing the super bowl halftime show not so much anymore. But I feel like when it was the Pepsi show, it was considered, like, controversial to it. Pink won't do it. Right. I just think, like, the NFL is, like, drama. I'm actually not 100. Sure. I think maybe it had something to do with, like, Colin Kaepernick, you know, like. Yeah. No. So also, to say accepting the gig is inherently. If you're, you know, going with that mentality is inherently, like, not an acceptable thing to do.

[Jackie]

But everyone who attends is like, of course. I'm sorry. Yeah.

[Claude]

It was, like, a couple of years ago, and, like, it was just inconvenient for people to boycott Coachella, so they didn't, you know.

[Jackie]

Okay, okay.

[Claude]

But if you're taking, like, you know, if you're gonna be legitimate and authentic to your cause, you shouldn't. Yes, she was.

[Jackie]

She must not know about this. Someone should tell her.

[Claude]

I'm telling you, everyone knows you just, like, it's inconvenient. It's Too big.

[Jackie]

That's so crazy. Yeah. That's why I didn't go.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm taking it.

[Claude]

We were invited. And then the next day was Justin Bieber.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Claude]

And now I'm about to be, like, woke Chella, because I had a thought and then I saw people saying it. It made me feel better because, like, I'm not, like, a huge Justin Bieber fan. Obviously. I know the hits. I know all of them. And I think he's great and I love. I love his wife. But if it was, like, good and cute and I liked it and he looked really healthy and I. I was. I thought it was overwhelmingly positive. But just the Pat, like, the paradox of him on that stage and Sabrina on that stage, who seriously probably needs to sleep for a month, versus him. Like, he had his cute little computer moment and he was watching videos on YouTube and then people are using that. But that was only like 20 minutes of, like, a long show.

[Jackie]

And apparently. And I think that was the best 20 minutes. Not shading the other performance, but I think if you were there, it was amazing to experience, like, watching him do the YouTube, like, it was. Yeah, it sounds like. But I think it was so much fun. Yeah.

[Claude]

No, and then even the parts where he was doing the regular performance where he had, like, some, you know, instrumentalists on stage. Yeah. It was still just so much lower effort in all aspects than Sabrina's. And I don't think that's necessarily, like, a dig at Justin. I think it's like, what we demand from our male performers versus I saw people being like, Sabrina's wardrobe really missed the mark. It's like, are you fucking serious? And the, like, the level of expectation from the audience, from our male pop stars versus our female pop stars, like, the level of critique we give to the women versus the men, like, it's actually insane if any of the female performers got up there and did what he did and carved out a whole section, which I enjoyed. But, like, the YouTube thing where he didn't even sing, like, the full songs and mostly was, like, using YouTube as a backtrack. It's really crazy. It's really just. Just compared, like, these two things happening back to back, Friday and Saturday. Like, the difference was so palpable, it was shocking.

[Jackie]

It didn't really bother me. I feel like it's like, what. It's not the expectation. It's like, what we accept from them. And I feel like for Justin, you know, when he got booked and he is who he is, like, that's what you're Booking? You're booking.

[Claude]

No. And by the way, I think it was a 10 out of 10.

[Jackie]

Some women who perform like that.

[Claude]

Billie Eilish.

[Jackie]

Yes, she comes to mind.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I'm sure it's more thought through than, like, it seems when she's just, like, laying there and talking and singing and whatever. And the lights and everything has, like, a meaning. Kanye performs like that too, Just sort of.

[Claude]

Yes. On. On a unique stage.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And it's like, what will accept for those performers because it's also what we expect, given their catalog. But, like, Sabrina's just on another level. And I think that Sabrina's performance was more impressive than Justin's performance. Now, Justin got paid more. Right. Today they're saying, like, 10 million. I think Sabrina might have gotten, like, 8 million.

[Claude]

That's so crazy.

[Jackie]

But also, Justin has, like, first of all, getting just Sabrina's on a tour to pop over to Indigo to do another show is, like, really no sweat off her back. He hasn't performed like that in so many years. It's a real value for his fans. So many people came to Coachella to see him because you're not going to see him perform anywhere else. It's just a different value.

[Claude]

Yes. But I just want to say it's not no sweat off Sabrina's back. It was an entirely new show while she's still doing her original show. Like, Like. But she could operate at that level.

[Jackie]

She can operate at that level. He.

[Claude]

She's a Disney kid.

[Jackie]

Like, he's going through stuff. It seems like. I know he's doing better. No, but it's just like, like, what Sabrina did was easier for Sabrina than I think what Justin did.

[Claude]

Yeah. No, we're meeting people where they're at.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I think for his fans, like, that's what they want from him.

[Claude]

I mean, people sobbing, like, literally sobbing during his performance.

[Jackie]

It's really crazy.

[Claude]

I love Justin Bieber. Like, I can't. I think his music is so good. I'm not, like, a Bieberista Belieber, you know, but I can appreciate, like, that the songs are amazing. And I really like. I love him. I think he has a funny personality, and I think, like, him and Haley are the best. I like him, like, a lot because of his wife. I can't lie. I'm not one of, like, I didn't have a Bieber Stan account on Twitter, like, back in the day, and there are a lot of people I know, like, who did.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I think. Yeah, I think that. That it was. It was Good. It seemed like it was fun.

[Claude]

The objectively good performance.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, and he did it. And I don't think people knew what he was gonna do. And he, like, totally. He sounded great. He's laughing at himself. He did the. You know, it's not clocking to them. Standing on business. Like, he gave everyone those moments. Like, it's. It's funny. And that was his Coachella performance. Now, if it wasn't good enough, then he probably won't get another one.

[Claude]

But it was good enough. That's what I'm saying. Like, it was a great performance. I think everyone at Coachella was happy with him. Everyone online was happy with him. It's just when you.

[Jackie]

Not everyone online happy with him, not everyone online.

[Claude]

I thought it was a great performance, but I think that it also speaks to the difference in expectations for male and female pop stars. Like, that's all I'm saying. And it's not Justin Bieber's fault. I think he did everything great. When he sang with you, like, I almost cried. Like, so cute. Yeah, it was. I feel like he was like healing himself through the performance and his vocals were on point. Like, it was all great. All I'm saying is when you just look at it side by side, it's interesting.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But also he has like a catalog of songs that. That don't. That speak like, that just need to be played, you know?

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, she had a lot of her music is like newer music for the last like two, three years that, like, she's selling.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

You don't have to sell Beauty and a beat. Beat.

[Claude]

I was gonna say sing a small portion of beauty in a beat, which we spoke about because Justin the rap does reference Selena Gomez, which kind of makes it like unsingable. But I like what he did. He just sang a small snippet. That song is so good.

[Jackie]

Was he like, really on YouTube?

[Claude]

No way.

[Jackie]

It wasn't like connected to the WI fi. He wasn't.

[Claude]

I feel like it was a pre recorded video and he was like working with it.

[Jackie]

I would need to see, like, did other things come up in the search bar, I saw someone be like, good

[Claude]

thing he didn't typo Julia Jelen. Yes. So that makes me think other videos did come up, but it all looked like pre approved. I'm telling you, it was like, it

[Jackie]

was a wild thing to do, like sharing your screen.

[Claude]

Insane.

[Jackie]

What if a text comes through?

[Claude]

Of course I can never. I could never. I also liked Justin and like, what he brought to the festival, like, in

[Jackie]

terms of his social circle and his Kylie wife's friends.

[Claude]

Kendall Jenner, who was spotted making out with Jacob Elordi, which, like, are you sure they haven't dated before? Like, it's so, like, Olivia.

[Jackie]

Like, they also look like.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Version of each other.

[Claude]

Yes. So that's a great call. Obviously it's exciting because, like, young Hollywood things, but, like, it's so uninspired on both of their parts. Like. Okay.

[Jackie]

But I'm happy for her to have a little desert romance.

[Claude]

Speaking of Kendall Jenner, you know that story I told you about Alex Earl on the date where I never finished the video, but apparently he, like, asked her if she did. Only fans. He had, like, no idea who she was, and he was so disrespectful. And they never ate. People are saying it was Devin Booker. I don't know why they say that, but, like, that's sort of what the Internet has decided. Allegedly. Is that crazy?

[Jackie]

Yeah, that is crazy. Run. Run from that sister.

[Claude]

No, that was. That was the other one, Ben. Well, Simmons, that sister who, like, made that really weird video about Kendall Jenner baking her a cookie. Like, she was so mean and jealous.

[Jackie]

Disgusting.

[Claude]

That was not Devin Booker.

[Jackie]

Okay, so that's a better.

[Claude]

And then Carol G was the third night, and I did not see one video. Actually, I feel like I was wondering,

[Jackie]

who is the third night? Because I thought maybe I would be seeing it this morning, but I haven't been on my phone, so I was like, oh, I thought it was Post Malone.

[Claude]

No, I only see Coachella through the eyes of influencers. Like, friends. Friends of mine don't go.

[Jackie]

Margot Ashrae was there.

[Claude]

Actually, I see it through Margo doing her Addison Rae lucky brand collab. Margo, like, ran a brand influencer trip. She's so crazy.

[Jackie]

And I just want to say, so, like, if we wanted to go to Coachella, like, I mean, we could have. We could have, have.

[Claude]

Yeah. We could have been in the lucky house, like, wearing our Addison shorts. I mean, that never would have happened. I could never wear those little shorts.

[Jackie]

Never. Never.

[Claude]

Yeah, but, like, our sister was there, like, running a brand house, and there's so much drama with the brands.

[Jackie]

Okay, tell me the drama.

[Claude]

So I saw there were a couple of brands that took people like Alex Earl did her own thing with real actives. Poppy brought a couple of influencers, like, big names. Jake, Shane.

[Jackie]

What was Revolve doing? Did they do.

[Claude]

I don't think they do, like, a house anymore. They do their big festival campus around the world. What about Revolve Fest?

[Jackie]

Revolve Fest was Revolve Fest.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claude]

There was also Camp Poosh, which was like a mini Revolf. They had Ashley Simpson perform.

[Jackie]

Oh, cute. Matt Singer.

[Claude]

Yeah, Yeah, A couple of houses. I saw some people were there with Barbie, Danielle Carolyn and Al.

[Jackie]

What was. What are they promoting?

[Claude]

I don't know. I love content. Me too.

[Jackie]

But what are we promoting? What do you want me to buy here? How can I support this house?

[Claude]

Danielle Carolyn? I don't know. You know what I mean?

[Jackie]

I actually meant to text Margo. Like, what's the association?

[Claude]

Perhaps it's just like a brand awareness campaign. I don't know.

[Jackie]

Consider me aware.

[Claude]

Correct.

[Jackie]

I'm aware.

[Claude]

Consider me also confused.

[Jackie]

Like, I'm ready to buy.

[Claude]

And then there was a Starbucks house with a bunch of like, tick tockers. I wasn't familiar really any of them. Starbucks, which felt so random. And like, if you're like a young Gen Z wokey on Tick Tock, Starbucks is a no go. There's been like a boycott of Starbucks since the war in Israel because somebody like literally started a rumor that Starbucks is Zionist. I mean, it's literally not. They refuse to open stores in Israel. Like, they closed down the one that they had in 2003. And like, I think what they're trying to say is they're boycotting Starbucks because the CEO is. Is a Jew. And so it's considered no go. Like, if you take a video, if you're like a wokey tick tocker and you have like Starbucks in your video, like, the comments will be about it, you know?

[Jackie]

Okay, Very normal. Very normal.

[Claude]

It is considered like a hard no go. But they brought a couple of. Well, I think they brought like 10. They had a house. And so, you know, a couple of creators stayed at the house. All of their videos, you know, you have deliverables you have to do. And it took the Internet by storm because they were like.

[Jackie]

The Zionist house.

[Claude]

Yeah, the Zionist house. And I want to say a lot of things.

[Jackie]

Who are the creators?

[Claude]

Okay, so the one that I know is Audrey Peters. She makes like really cute New York City tick tocks about like. Yeah, like designer bags. Like, she's super nice. And it's like, I don't really know what you guys expect from Audrey Peters. Like, she's out here like, making a living and she talks about like exclusively fashion. Like, she collects really cool pieces and she has a great, you know, the Hermes sales associate, she's like one of those girls and it's like, are you okay? Like, are you? Yeah. And she drinks coffee and, like, I don't think she has a personal gripe with Storbucks. And it was like, I think, like, it. So I'm not gonna make, like a blanket statement. I think, oh, who are we talking about? I don't think she's ever come out and made a political post. Like, she's just having fun with her bags, you know, so, like, leave the girl alone. She had to get to Coachella, you know? Yeah, I think that. I don't know the other ones, but, like, if you are. If you engage in that sort of cult. Do you know what I mean? Like, if you are a tiktoker who makes a lot of political posts and. Well, then, yeah, like, you have to walk the walk and talk the talk. Sorry. And your people are going to come for you like that.

[Jackie]

So you cannot go to a brand house for a company that's owned by a Jew. You just can't.

[Claude]

Can't. And like, if that's your content, is a lot of it, like making, like,

[Jackie]

taking statements, making statements, activism, et cetera,

[Claude]

then yeah, like, your people are going to come for you. And honestly, like, I stand with them. Like, yeah, you know, but like, the girl who makes videos about Hermes Kelly's, like, are you serious? So I feel like.

[Jackie]

So then did any of the creators, like, say anything or, like, apologize or. They just laid low.

[Claude]

You can't. You're, like, in the house with Starbucks

[Jackie]

and, like, you're being paid by them. Like, you have a contract. You can't, like, disparage the brand while inside. And also, maybe you come out against the brand that you just decided to work with. You look like an idiot because it's like, you don't know anything about the brand that you're working with. What are you doing?

[Claude]

Just go anywhere, find the list of

[Jackie]

Tik Tockers, Lelo, Starbucks, Starbucks creators, Coachella House. It gets better. It gets better.

[Claude]

G. Like, why are they making this so hard? Coachella magazine dot com.

[Jackie]

Oh, apparently the umanskis were in the Starbucks house.

[Claude]

Oh, Jews.

[Jackie]

They should put Jews in the house.

[Claude]

Wait, let me just go on tick tock and see, like, who people are talking about. I saw them talking about Audrey Peters, Starbucks, Coachella. Okay. Like, everyone's talking about it. It popped up first.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claude]

Oh, Victoria, Paris.

[Jackie]

I don't know. I'm not sure who that is. Bran. Bran. Who's Bran?

[Claude]

B, R, A N. All right.

[Jackie]

Do you know that is. Yes.

[Claude]

He's like. Yeah, he, like, he makes a lot of content about being an influencer I think he also makes a lot of content about politics and Yeah, I think like, that's shocking. Like you can't do both.

[Jackie]

That's crazy.

[Claude]

It's so funny. I don't see the Umansky's anywhere. It's the people everyone's talking about. Audrey Peters. Victoria Paris is a girl who like travels a lot and like makes a lot of like quirky content about her travel. Like, like.

[Jackie]

Yeah,

[Claude]

yeah. I'm only seeing those three. I can't believe the Umanski were there. I didn't know that.

[Jackie]

Really funny.

[Claude]

What?

[Jackie]

It's just funny. Like I just kind of like love it.

[Claude]

Like, yeah, of course. Like it's hilarious.

[Jackie]

Like the level each other. I don't care.

[Claude]

Yeah, of course. No, no. And it's like the crazy thing about the Starbucks thing is that the entire boycott about them being Zionist is actually based on delusional conspiracy theories. Because I somebody who has grown up Jewish and Zionists my whole life, everyone I know drinks Starbucks begrudgingly.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

Because it's like, yes, they have a Jewish CEO. They refuse to launch stores in Israel. It's always been weird. So it's the fact that they're being boycotted for being Zionist when in fact they are most likely an anti Zionist organization. It's like your conspiracy theory isn't even legitimate. Like, yeah, it's insane. So now everyone's getting so bad, out of shape. Literally destroying the lives of all these creators based on false US theories. Like, it's insane.

[Jackie]

Go off.

[Claude]

No, I agree. Like, not my circus, not my monkeys.

[Jackie]

Hysterical stuff.

[Claude]

Agreed.

[Jackie]

Was Michaela Niguero there?

[Claude]

No, she went to Portugal.

[Jackie]

She went to Portugal. That's my queen family.

[Claude]

She's Portuguese family. Trip to Portugal starts now. She flew coach.

[Jackie]

Oh my God, I love her.

[Claude]

I know in all the comments, but I can't believe you're flying coach. And she was responding like, lol Y. And it's like, well, because you've literally never flown coach in the time that you've been famous and like it was a family trip, so I don't think she wanted to buy like 30 first class seats. So she just had to slum it in coach.

[Jackie]

She's just like us. Michaela Negaro. I love her. Also some more like Coachella news. Teddy swims. I didn't know he was performing. I might have gotten myself there. He brought out Joe Jonas and Vanessa Carlton during his Coachella set. Like really giving the people what he wants, what they obsessed.

[Claude]

Like, he should headline next year.

[Jackie]

Like, thank you he should headline next year. All in all, I feel like the performers, like, they got really good people that are commercially successful that, like, made news in addition to, you know, their Martinez brothers and other.

[Claude]

Yeah, that's the thing about Coachella. It's actually like inherently like a rave slash, like alt festival. Like when we went Tame Impala was one of the headliners and then they got Lady Gaga and it was like the biggest deal ever. They usually. How it had started was like, as a niche thing and now it's like, like so culturally relevant that they have to. They have the big Beyonce.

[Jackie]

I feel like they have like niche performers during the day and then like a couple huge commercially successful artists, especially at night for like the headliners and like, that works. And ticket sales, like, have gone up. I was reading, like over the last few years, they were like dropping like, Jackie.

[Claude]

It's because of the scandal. I'm telling you.

[Jackie]

Like, I know about. It was the first year that they didn't. That tickets didn't sell out the first day. It took like a month to sell out tickets. But like this year they sold out very quickly. The resale was so high. And a lot of people are crediting that to just Justin Bieber, like the fact, the fact that he was on the ticket because you can't.

[Claude]

That's big.

[Jackie]

You can go see Sabrina.

[Claude]

I also want to say it's crazy that Taylor Swift has never done Coachella and I don't think that she ever will, except I could see her doing it one year and being the headliner all three nights and creating like a three night show. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

But she has to do things differently because she's on a different level.

[Jackie]

I don't think she would do that. I think it's too small for her. And I think if she did it all three nights, she would get so much hate from the usual Coachella people being like, this concert, this is our concert, you know, this isn't. She would get so much hate. I don't think it would be worth it unless they paid her so much money. I don't think they could afford her. I don't think they could afford her.

[Claude]

I love Coachella, like, just as a consumer and I love seeing it through the eyes of influencers. I feel like there's a big conversation, you know, influencers were in Coachella. It's crazy how it's literally just a brand event and there are two weekends and next weekend, quite literally, not one brand activates, not one influencer goes. It's just a music festival.

[Jackie]

So it's nice they have two then.

[Claude]

Yes, yes. Like whatever vibe you're going for. I love seeing the young hot influencers putting together their outfits. Like, it makes me excited. I loved watching, you know, you know who's one of my best dressed since your girl Sally. She was in Alex's house. She looked and Alex's house, like they're just like such like music girls. Like, they just were so cool with their combat boots. Like they weren't going to like revolve fest. They just like hung out with each

[Jackie]

other to awesome music.

[Claude]

Acquired style. Wore like a really cool pair of pants.

[Jackie]

Like I had a good time acquired pants. And what were you getting from the trends? The fashion trends? Because I feel like Coachella does sometimes like set trends and we can know what to expect. Like for a while it was like western was coming back then you know, a little bit like, like leathery biker Mad Max.

[Claude]

I felt like we're wearing, this is what everyone's wearing.

[Jackie]

What's everyone?

[Claude]

Big low rise pants and a bikini top for a shirt.

[Jackie]

Oh, well, that's been the trend for a while.

[Claude]

Kylie, all the girls, that's safe.

[Jackie]

I was seeing a lot of bohemian looks. Like kind of OG Coachella.

[Claude]

I know. Except, you know, it's kind of dicey because I saw Sierra from Love Island. Oh, no, no. Iris from Love Island. Like she had a couple of feathers in her hair, which I feel like is like a. No, no, culturally.

[Jackie]

I wasn't talking about feathers. I was just saying, you know, flowy skirts.

[Claude]

Of course, when people used to put like a fake bindi on, like, you can't do that shit anymore.

[Jackie]

I'm just talking about like bohemian vibes, like Vanessa Hudgens. I do feel like it's coming back a little bit. Even like watching Rachel Zoe on Beverly Hills. I'm like, yes, maybe I, I need a caftan.

[Claude]

Yeah, I definitely need like a maxi.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So I, I, that was the trend I was seeing.

[Claude]

That's beautiful.

[Jackie]

Like, so let's see if, if that plays out.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But I felt like it was, it was kind of a throwback road.

[Claude]

Had a huge, of course, like this was their moment to shine. Huge activation in partnership with the Sephora. They had like a carnival. They had, you know, everyone went, I

[Jackie]

think I gotta start following some new influencers because I only saw like, only a couple of mine went it, you know.

[Claude]

No, that's the good thing about Tick Tock is like, it's not even the people that I follow that went, yeah, Tick Tock knew I wanted to see Coachella, so they showed me all the Starbucks.

[Jackie]

Like, I feel like all of my influencers are also growing up. Like, less are going to Coachella, so I think I need to start following more.

[Claude]

Yeah. Back in our day, like, the influencers, it was like the revolve girls, the fashion bloggers we wore. What?

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's why I didn't really see anything like those. That those are the people I still follow. I don't follow, like a lot of the of 23 year old influencers unless they're like friends with Margot.

[Claude]

So I follow them on Tick Tock.

[Jackie]

I got it. Okay. Okay. That's on me. I need to educate myself. Also, major, major news from Coachella. Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau like, slumming it at Coachella for both of them. That is so humiliating. First of all, Katy Perry should be up there headlining, and if she's not, what is she doing there? Justin Trudeau sitting on the stoop eating ramen out of a red solo cup

[Claude]

while also, like, his tweet, Twitter was, like, still active. I saw somebody, like, quoting his tweets, being like, this is a crazy tweet from somebody who's actively at Coachella. Like, as he was at Coachella, he was also tweeting about like, some, you know, prime minister in Lebanon. I don't remember. Like, and like, and it's like, he's

[Jackie]

not even at Coachella, like, in a premium way from what we saw. Like, he's in the crowd. Like.

[Claude]

Well, that's the thing about Coachella. Even the most famous people ever, Taylor and Travis went one year and, like, you're just, just there's a little section, but you're just in the crowd.

[Jackie]

They didn't, like, sit on the stoop like they're drunk, waiting for their Uber. That was seriously so disturbing to see.

[Claude]

It was really crazy.

[Jackie]

It's so crazy.

[Claude]

It is. I feel as though they're a match made in heaven and I really ship them wholeheartedly.

[Jackie]

Agreed. But they need to mind themselves and, like. Yeah, really?

[Claude]

Because they go to, like, the World Economic Summit together, and you just can't do that. And Coachella. So choose one.

[Jackie]

But, like, you could even do Coachella, but, you know, like, like stand dignified with your hands in your pockets, nodding along, whatever. To sit like that.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

To degrade, like, the hat backwards and the red. So, like, no, no, that was really crazy.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So that's mostly up for Coachella. Oh, and Kylie. Kylie took over Coachella. She was having a Ball.

[Claude]

Was Bieber fan.

[Jackie]

Was Timothy a big Haley fan? Yeah.

[Claude]

No, but no, no. All of her content. She was wearing, like Justin Bieber T shirts.

[Jackie]

Yeah. She's a good friend.

[Claude]

Bieber, Chella Bibercella.

[Jackie]

Was Timothy in the Orbit or she was not acting like he was?

[Claude]

No. And her house was very much giving, like, girls trips.

[Jackie]

Dawson crew Stas and Stormy's room.

[Claude]

Yeah. Although I did see like one picture of like someone who they thought Timothy was in a bandana, but, like, we can't be sure.

[Jackie]

I don't think he was. She would have, like, done like more like soft, soft launch sort of stuff. And there was like, it was seemed like a girls trip.

[Claude]

I'm really sick of them, like, and their unwillingness to give us anything publicly, like on Instagram.

[Jackie]

I understand.

[Claude]

Except if it's like at an award show supporting his terrible movies.

[Jackie]

I understand that you are hurt.

[Claude]

I am hurt. I am turkey.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story, like, moving on from Coachella for the moment.

[Claude]

So is this number two or like number two?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

Oh, yikes.

[Jackie]

Okay. But like, I'm gonna just see how things, things shake out, you know. We're going to talk about the need to know stories. Two things re Summer House skate West Mandeval, Friday. On Friday, Summer House star Amanda Batula broke her silence on the backlash to the romance with West Wilson. So she shared to him in a message on her IG a picture of her dog saying, hi, guys. I'll keep this short and sweet. I've obviously been mia, but I wanted to come back on and say that I'm truly sorry to everyone. I'm disappointed and hurt, especially those at know personally who I've reached out to individually. For the sake of my mental health, I'm going to try to start living life with some sense of normalcy. If you see me out or posting online, please know that this still weighs very heavily on me. I'm not ignoring what's happening or what's unfolded. She added that she will be at the reunion and will be addressing any and all questions honestly and directly there. So that came out on Wednesday. And then this weekend, her and west were spotted out to dinner. Then the next day, he was like, paparazzi leaving her place, like, carrying his shoes, like, very walk of shame, I guess. Like, anytime they leave the house, like, like we get like real time photos of them and what they're doing. She was like, they were out at a bar. She was like wearing a scarf around her head, like incognito.

[Claude]

The statement that she released was genuinely one of the weirdest things, because as I was reading it, I'm like, okay, okay, okay. And then I get to the part where she's like, I'm leaving the house. And just want you all to know, like, I'm leaving the house.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

And.

[Jackie]

And you're going to see me leaving the house. And I don't want you to think

[Claude]

poor, that I'm not thinking about it. But I am thinking about it just outside. But I'm still bad girl repenting.

[Jackie]

I don't want you to think worse of me than you already do by leaving.

[Claude]

Yes.

[Jackie]

And I know you expect me to be holed up in my house, and it's.

[Claude]

It's giving. Like, I checked the weather app. It's going to be nice. Let me let everyone know I'm going outside. But I'm still thinking about how bad of a thing it is that I did.

[Jackie]

The way that I read it is she needs to get out of the house. House for her mental health, which I believe she does. You know, it's been two weeks. If she's just up at home, that's really bad. I think she's scared of leaving the house because she's scared of what people are going to say about her if they see her with friends having fun out with West. But it is more important for her right now to, like, leave the house and have a breather than it is for her to worry about what people think. So she's just sort of staving them off but being like, I need to leave the house. And by the way, I think she needs to leave the house. And yes, yes, I understand her wanting to make the statement because if she just started, like, living life and, like, we'd be like, what the. So she's addressed it in a weird way. There's no good way to do it because what she did wasn't good, and now she wants to leave the house, and that's fine. I actually was watching, looking at the pictures, and in this moment, like, I kind of feel not bad for west, but I feel like he's sort of in a pickle because obviously I feel like he's not into it anymore. Like, you know, the vibes.

[Claude]

I mean, there's nothing fun about what's going on. No.

[Jackie]

And the vibes just went so down. But he, like, can't, like, break it off or spend less time with her, even though it must be, like, such a buzz kill. And he's not about that. Like, he's. Wes Will. He's not happy that.

[Claude]

One thing we know about west is he has a real fixation on being well liked. He likes being famous. He likes being beloved. And not only is he the opposite of that, but he has found himself in this situation because of this girl. And we know he's not one to, like, dive into an exclusive monogamous. That's sort of, like, his downfall. So he's hated. He's in a relationship, sort of. Not forced, but, like, by his own actions. Like, he has no other choice.

[Jackie]

No, but he can't really, like, spend time away from Amanda at the moment. Like, she's not doing well. She's chosen him over everyone, so it's up to him to be there for her. And I don't think he's an inherently, like, bad, evil person. And I do think he likes her, obviously, a lot, but especially as a friend and, like, your friend, like, so I don't think he's gonna be, like, leaving her side right now, but I don't think that's who he wants to be. Is, like, you know this in this, like, downer apartment where everyone's just, like, struggling. And as far as him being beloved and struggling with that, he's getting paparazzi. The whole world is talking about Wes Wilson. Like, I. I don't think he minds that part so much. Like, literally, he's, like, with his airpods, like, walking down the street. Sweet. Everywhere he goes, he's getting paparazzi. Like, I think he doesn't mind that.

[Claude]

I don't know. I mean, I guess we really have to see how the reunion shakes out. Like, it could surprise us.

[Jackie]

I just think this whole situation. Not said one word bummer for him. And he's like. He doesn't do bummer.

[Claude]

Yeah, no, it's like, it's not the vibe.

[Jackie]

It's not the vibe. And, like, he's not having a good time, but he can't leave because he's, like, a person with a conscience. And this girl, she's not doing well, you know, I. No, even the strongest people can't handle stuff like this. And she's not very strong, and she's

[Claude]

bearing the brunt of it in terms of, like. Like, we all hate Wes, right? Like, what he did was bad. But the fixation is mostly on Amanda for betraying her friend. Girls, girl, bedbug, yada, yada. So they're both going through it. But she's not only a more fragile person, she's going, like. It's more fixated on her. The attention for her I agree.

[Jackie]

So I don't.

[Claude]

And because nobody expects much of Wes. Like he hasn't been a really stand up guy, partner, friend to anyone in the time that we've known him. And like Amanda's thing has been like this wounded bird in a bad marriage and a best friend who she loves. Girls, Girl, Girls, Girl. Girl's girl.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I think it's actually been a further fall for her. Even though he wants to be well liked, I think he's just happy to be famous. She's always been well liked.

[Claude]

And this whole situation has been like very on brand for West. Just it's been so off brand for Amanda. Like the sheer shock of it is what makes it such a big story. And that's due to her, her involvement in it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Well, are you ready for our next story?

[Claude]

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[Jackie]

Thank you Turt Supply. You're welcome. Our next story Real Houses Beverly Hills star Rachel Zoe has been slammed by her ex Roger Berman's new girlfriend. Actually not so new girlfriend as Bri Jacoby says. So Bri Jacoby is the laid love of Roger Berman, who's the ex husband of Rachel Zo. So Bri shared a snippet from Real House Eyes at Beverly Hills where Rachel is complaining to Dorit about her ex husband declaring his love for his new girlfriend on her birthday. Via Instagram, Rachel suggested Roger was trying to deliberately irritate her because the two women's birthdays are days apart and they're both stylists. So Bri wrote on her Instagram stories, leave me the alone. What's so insane you did not want to be married and said it yourself. You wish you left seven years ago. You're acting like a jealous woman. Get a new storyline. I'm not going anywhere so get used to it, she said. Since so many of my friends reached out, I want to set the record straight. My birthday is September 2, one day after her, not three. We have been dating for almost two years. I'm actually a businesswoman who happens to style, not a celebrity stylist. But you do you girl respect. She then claimed that she met Rachel and Rogers, two children, a year after dating their dad. Dad. She then dismissively called Rachel a great actor but insisted she was so sick of her storyline. She said, quote, I actually don't care about anything other than the kids and my relationship. I wish her the best and to find love and happiness, I would be a modern family. But she can't do it. It's very sad, but that's her own issue. We are better than the drama, but I'm really getting tired of this portrayal of him and me. It's not true. Roger is an incredible father, might I add, and an incredible boyfriend. Best human. Then she said, the issue is that she takes zero accountability for her own behavior and is actually absolutely awful to me. Calls me trash. Bad press is good press, so keep talking. But if you're gonna talk, at least be a woman and talk to me direct. Like I said, I ain't going anywhere. See ya at the bar mitzvah. Oh, that made me sick.

[Claude]

Although I do want to say, like, and I love Rachel more than anything, but, like, she's talking a lot. And this girl does have the right to defend herself. And I feel like half of what their issue is is, like, this is everyone's perspective, right? Like. Like, this girl just started dating a guy with kids. She doesn't, you know, know how big of a deal it is to Rachel. I do think she could probably be a lot more sensitive around the kids. Like, that last sentence was beyond unnecessary. But, like, at some point, like, if, you know, this is not how the girlfriend has experienced it, and then this girl's going on tv. The more famous, wealthy, well known, like, kind of slandering your name. Like, Rachel did invite this because she brought it to tv. And so you just have to be. You have to know that that's gonna happen.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I didn't see the most recent episode, so I don't know if she, like, talks. I'm sure she talks more about it, but, like, everything I've seen to this point has really been about, like, Roger.

[Claude]

Yeah. And so her last most recent gripe was, like, really not that big. She comes to Dirty's party, like, so for clamped. It's like, what happened now? She's like, everyone's blowing up my phone. Roger, like, wish his girlfriend a happy birthday and, like, hard lunch on Instagram. Like, why do you care?

[Jackie]

Because it was on Rachel's birthday. But it turns out their birthdays are one day apart, so, you know, he posted on her birthday or the girl's birthday.

[Claude]

I'm not sure.

[Jackie]

So that would be important to know.

[Claude]

But still, like, you hate Roger so much. Like, this shouldn't.

[Jackie]

But still, it doesn't sound like Rachel has said anything about the new girlfriend. Like, why is this new girlfriend, like, you know what I mean?

[Claude]

No, it's more so about Roger's timeline and Roger, like, doing, like, the appropriate thing in terms of introducing to the kids.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

Introducing to the world. Yeah. No, she has a real problem with Roger. Although I don't think she loves Brie either.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I think for Rachel, who's, like, experience was that she was with Roger for almost 30 plus years, and then, like, one day he woke up as a different person and wants a new life. And that's not to spoil the book that.

[Claude]

No, it's the vibe from strangers. But please don't stop spoiling stuff.

[Jackie]

Like, unleash hell, I don't care.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And she's not even said. Spoken about this girl said her name, nothing. But, like, Rachel has a right to, like, process what Roger's done to her publicly. Because they're all public people.

[Claude]

Yeah. And I'm sure I'm loving this Rachel.

[Jackie]

Like, see you at the bar mitzvah. Like, go yourself. How about that? That's really nasty to say because that's like using the kids to, like, drum up. They're like, you didn't need to say that. Go talk about accountability, whatnot. I don't give a. But, like, that's really nasty.

[Claude]

I agree. No, and when you're blending a family, I just want to say, like, I am no better than Rachel. Like, I'm sorry, I could never. Like. And I think people who do it successfully are some of the most amazing, mature people. But, like, having to ship my kid off to go be parented by this rando who calls herself stepmom. Like, oh, my God, I could never. People who do it successfully are the most amazing, mature people. Like, I just couldn't.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

And I think when you are the step parent, you have to be so gentle and you have to move so slowly. And like, this girl, like, with the bat mitza, just disgusting.

[Jackie]

Also, this girl's now saying, actually, we've been together for two years. I didn't meet them for a year. So what, did he meet you the day after he left Rachel, or did he meet you before they split up? You're not really helping your case. And I will say, I feel like when it comes to blended families, like, it's really on the person. So in this case, Roger. Yeah, it's not on Rachel. And what's a Brie gonna do? Brie can be as nice as she. Possibly as she wants, but if, like, Rachel and Roger have a really bad relationship, then there's not going to be a blending. So, like, Roger, if you want the blend, then you need to, like, come to the table a little bit. And he seems like he just, like, woke up one day, he picked up and left.

[Claude]

And Rachel's mere presence is an inconvenience to him.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that doesn't work. So if you. If Bri wants to blend, you have to do it.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And you have to, like, keep Rachel happy and run big decisions by her. Like, when you're gonna introducing the kids to a girlfriend.

[Claude]

Yeah. I don't even think Rachel's issue was that she introduced he. She was introduced too quickly or it was that she was introduced without Rachel's knowledge.

[Jackie]

And that has to be when Rachel was out of the country, when the brother was not with his brother. Like, that's not the right time to do it.

[Claude]

No. That's traumatizing.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

For a kid.

[Jackie]

And he can't go and, like, be with his mom. Like, so now. Wrong. And where. You were there for that. Why didn't you say that's wrong?

[Claude]

Right. Right.

[Jackie]

So.

[Claude]

But I'll see you at the bar mitzvah.

[Jackie]

I'd cancel the event.

[Claude]

Agreed.

[Jackie]

Like, we can have a small event at home.

[Claude]

At home.

[Jackie]

Sick. Are you ready for our next story? Major sports news this weekend. We don't have to wait till the next full episode of Full Swing to find out that Rory McElroy won the Masters, the first to repeat since Tiger was kids.

[Claude]

Jackie.

[Jackie]

What did he not.

[Claude]

That's what I wanted to remember at the beginning of the show.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

That I watched the Masters this weekend.

[Jackie]

I watched a little Masters towards the end of the day yesterday, but I didn't know who won until this morning because I obviously don't have the right algorithm. And I didn't see it until. And I was like, who won? I want. I wish I could know who won the Master.

[Claude]

It was so annoying to watch. Like, I don't know if everyone hates Rory McElroy, but, like, I do. I was really rooting for some. Well, one. Because he's just not American. Like, and I was rooting for an American. Sorry, I'm toxic. Like that. I was rooting for Scotty Scheffler.

[Jackie]

Xenophobic.

[Claude]

Okay. Yeah, like, no, sorry. Like, it's. It's in Georgia. I want to go the American players to win. Like, it's like the Olympics. He gives me such bad vibes. And then I also saw a tweet, like, drama.

[Jackie]

What's the drama.

[Claude]

So somebody said that Rory McElroy has, like, not played in the last couple of tournaments and instead has gotten unlimited access to play Augusta. So it's like, yeah, well, maybe I would have won, too, if I didn't, like, actually do any other tournaments and then spent the last month getting unlimited play at Augusta.

[Jackie]

I guess he got unlimited play because he's the reigning champion. And so you can go play Augusta whenever you want. And you're Royal McElroy. I'm scared. I'm sure Scotty Scheffler can play Augusta as much as he wants to.

[Claude]

Just want to say, I was just looking for Scotty Scheffler to win. He was in second place. He lost by two strokes, maybe even one. His wife, you know, turned herself inside out nine days postpartum to show up at this turn to Ben, and her husband didn't even win. Like, not gonna lie. Like, if I'm her, I'm mad.

[Jackie]

Why? He got a big bag, like, for coming.

[Claude]

I think somebody else. I think you had to split it, you know, because there are other people

[Jackie]

who came in second.

[Claude]

I think, like, five people came in third.

[Jackie]

Oh, but second place, get in the Masters.

[Claude]

2.4, $3 million, but still good, obviously.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but, like, you know, they had, like, it costs a lot. I just don't. There.

[Claude]

I don't know. I don't find Rory, like, warm. And I love, like, sports moments when people win and their family comes and they give great interviews and they cry and he gives me none of that. He's like a robot. And when I see. Last year, I remember. And then this year, too, he, like, gives his daughter a hug, and it's just like. I don't know. It was weird. Like, she didn't seem excited.

[Jackie]

Like, oh, my God.

[Claude]

And he has, like, a weird, sorted personal.

[Jackie]

Well, he did. Yeah. He had a bad moment. He, like, him and his wife. He was leaving his wife. He was having a relationship with, like, this golf correspondent who's all over full swing. She's, like, the one female in golf. And then he went back to his wife and.

[Claude]

And daughter.

[Jackie]

Yeah, his daughter's very young. This is all happening.

[Claude]

And, you know, Tiger woods was slated to play, but he did take himself. I asked Ben, I'm like, did they tell him he couldn't play? No, he put him. He took himself out. I'm sorry. Like, you should have gotten eliminated. Just the fact that you had to take yourself out. They should have taken you out.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

Like, they're so strict. You can't even Take pictures at the Masters.

[Jackie]

There's no. What do you mean?

[Claude]

There are no phones allowed at the Masters?

[Jackie]

There's not. I. I heard that they see, like, the Masters are sort of like Lucy Goosey, kind of buck wild.

[Claude]

They're very strict about a lot of things. Dress code, no phones.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

A friend of mine was there. She was sending me pictures on her digital camera.

[Jackie]

Oh, very cool. So I don't have this personal Gripe with Rory McElroy.

[Claude]

I do.

[Jackie]

During full swing, he really comes off as, like, the hero.

[Claude]

Really?

[Jackie]

Yeah. He's, like, become, like, the spokesperson for, like, the PGA versus Liv saga.

[Claude]

Yes, of course.

[Jackie]

And, like.

[Claude]

And that's why Ben doesn't like him.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Because, like, LIV is cool and there's a lot of money. But, like, he really took, like, a. A ethical stance against them, and he was probably one of the biggest players who didn't go to Live. And he just became, like, the voice of the pga. And, well, they kind of screwed him because they wound up merging PJ and Live when they had him out there, like, saying all this stuff and putting up such a big defense for it. So he seems pretty scrupled in that regard. Not when it comes to his wife and, you know.

[Claude]

Yes, but Ben said that, like, he was coming for a lot of the players. Like, it's easy to take that stand when you are at a level that, like, you don't need that money. The reason why so many players were going to live was because they were giving them, like, these insane offers.

[Jackie]

It was the people who went to live who got insane offers have insane money already.

[Claude]

No, not everyone. No, not everyone.

[Jackie]

The big ones. The people who made Live live. Phil Mickelson.

[Claude]

Yeah, I love Phil Mickelson.

[Jackie]

I just, like, he was like, yeah, no, it wasn't really about the money for them, but it was so much money. So who else went? Like, Dustin? I think Brooks went.

[Claude]

Yep.

[Jackie]

And they already had a lot of

[Claude]

money, but they were like, this is

[Jackie]

an insane amount of money. Like, generational wealth. Yeah. Who could turn that down? But it's not like they were struggling.

[Claude]

I just don't like Rory McElroy.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry.

[Claude]

He gives off bad vibes. It's all based on vibes.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claude]

It's all based on really, like, that thing he did to his wife. Sound off in the comments, like, do you also get those vibes, or am I off base? Like, I think everyone really dislikes him. No.

[Jackie]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe everyone dislikes him, which, like, makes me like him. And I. I understand he's not, like, the sexiest guy in golf.

[Claude]

Definitely not.

[Jackie]

There's a lot I will say, like,

[Claude]

none of the hockey players are hot. Except that one. Bryson.

[Jackie]

Hockey?

[Claude]

Did I say hockey? None of the golf players are, like, he's really not. And he, like, he's just not.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claude]

And all of them look cute in their hats, and then they take them off, and they all have receding hairlines, except. What's his name? Bryson.

[Jackie]

He's cute.

[Claude]

Okay, so he was, like, almost coming second, Third. I think he ended up in third. He looks like Thomas Rhett, and I was rooting for him.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Masters are just so exciting now. I'll watch them in a year, but I hope everyone who watched them this weekend had a great time.

[Claude]

I did.

[Jackie]

I did.

[Claude]

It's fun. I like something. It's so rooted in tradition. Oh, and the funny thing is that when you get. When the Masters, like, the prize is obviously money. And this jacket, it's, like, the biggest deal. And you get the jacket, it's gifted to you by the previous year's winner. They put it on you. But I think he had to, like, put it on himself.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And it was probably already, like, fitted for him. Or is it a fresh jacket also? It's crazy. You can only wear your jacket there. The rules of, like, winning the Masters

[Claude]

and August, the jacket stays in the locker room. You don't get to take it home with you.

[Jackie]

And it's like, if you win the Masters, you get, like, access to play the course. It's so crazy what you have to do to play there.

[Claude]

Yeah. And I wouldn't recommend looking at the courses, like, history on allowing Jews in. I don't think it's so great.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, it doesn't seem like the most inclusive.

[Claude]

You just. You kind of need to, like, look past, like, Coachella sorted history.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah. So congratulations to Rory. That works for me. I feel bad for Justin Rose. He came close again, but no cigar.

[Claude]

He was in first for a while yesterday.

[Jackie]

Last year was between Rory and Justin, too. And, you know, he has.

[Claude]

He definitely has, like, a dartboard with Rory's face on it.

[Jackie]

You know, he has cavalier years.

[Claude]

Oh, he should have won.

[Jackie]

Yeah. For the cat.

[Claude]

And he has. The same night. I, like, I literally was expecting to see Winnie Rose's husband. They were like, I'm up next, Justin Rose. I'm like, oh, no way. I wonder if Whitney's here.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay, are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Claude]

Did Haley Seinfeld ever, like, announce her Baby's name.

[Jackie]

Not that I've seen. Not in a manner that even though

[Claude]

I heard it's like Harper.

[Jackie]

Not in a manner that presented itself to me.

[Claude]

Harper. And by heard, I mean I like

[Jackie]

heard it sounds like a, like a text lawyer company.

[Claude]

Oh yeah. Or like Harper Allen and Associates. Yeah, lawyer.

[Jackie]

Where'd you hear Harper?

[Claude]

Like a tick tock comment or something.

[Jackie]

Our fifth and final story. NASA welcomes record setting Artemis 2 moon pharaohs back to Earth.

[Claude]

And the way they've been like received with a hero's welcome. I'm so glad. Like I saw one of them being like driven to his house and there was like a police blockade and a parade.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So Artemis 2 has landed. The first astronauts to travel to the moon in more than half a century are back on earth after a record setting mission aboard Artemis 2. They kind of watched their mission. They did it with grace. Very inspiring. And you know what I feel like, I feel like we needed this.

[Claude]

I. I completely agree.

[Jackie]

Civilization, because it's crazy people who should be famous. When you're up there, it's one Earth. When we're down here, it's like, oh, use a group. And she was mean and like all this stuff. But when you're up there, we are one. And I feel like though.

[Claude]

And it's always a message of unity.

[Jackie]

I feel like that's what the Blue

[Claude]

Origin women were trying to do.

[Jackie]

We're trying to tell us that. You know what I mean? Like, it was so beautiful.

[Claude]

Good message, wrong messenger.

[Jackie]

Because I feel like we should all leave Earth just so that we can see that we're all one. Yeah.

[Claude]

I actually heard the female Caroline, the female astronaut talking about what it felt like, what it felt like to look at Earth.

[Jackie]

What did she say?

[Claude]

And she was, she was actually had like a kind of like chilling statement. She was like, I wasn't even looking so much at Earth. I was looking at all the blackness around it. Like how we are just. Just all we have is each other.

[Jackie]

It was really chilling, you guys.

[Claude]

And I'm obsessed with like them coming back and like being famous, getting paparazzi. Like, I should wish you could have seen this parade they had for him, his hometown, this big sprinter van, like a very Haley Bieber. It's like, yes, let's award people who study science and further our, you know, the human race. Like, those are the people who should

[Jackie]

be famous, real heroes and brave because you go up there to do this work for the world and. And you don't know what could happen out there.

[Claude]

Of course I watched them landing, you know, parachuting successfully, all three parachutes into the ocean. I got really emotional. I imagine they're like, relief from their kids and their family just being like, oh, not only did my mom and dad, like, achieve their dreams, make world news, but they made it home safely, which doesn't happen to everyone. Yeah, it was very, very beautiful. There's something so emotional about spacemanship, you

[Jackie]

know, and we, we needed that. And I hope the message isn't lost on people, you know, and I hope

[Claude]

Katy Perry feels vindicated in some kind of way.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Or not. You know, I don't know if she does, but I'm definitely. I'm feeling like, yeah, no, I think all regular people should go to space to see that we're one. And that's what those women tried to do, and we all made fun of them.

[Claude]

I just want to say I don't need to go to space to know that we're one. Like, I know it.

[Jackie]

I just have to think really hard about it. So even if you can't get to space face to see that we're one, really think about it.

[Claude]

Try closing your eyes.

[Jackie]

Imagine what it would be like to go in a spaceship and see Earth. And so you're in the whole world.

[Claude]

Your neighbor who lives in China, like, China feels like a different planet, but it's not.

[Jackie]

We're one human race.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

One human race.

[Claude]

Carol.

[Jackie]

Huh?

[Claude]

Carol

[Jackie]

the wife.

[Claude]

I'm gonna wait for you to get it. The wife.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Carol, but. But we're one human race.

[Claude]

Carol.

[Jackie]

She's a spot on the moon now,

[Claude]

but she's so much more than that. Yeah, she is. Carol.

[Jackie]

Not to, like, call out your call, but I just don't feel like it's driving the point home.

[Claude]

That's not shocking. And I'm sort of like, immune to this sort of hate, you know, in the comments. And Claudia, drive the point, you guys know, like, I don't. I feel like I don't even need to explain it. Maybe you're not as deep as me, Carol.

[Jackie]

Okay, One human race. So let's stop all this bickering, Carol. And if you want a bicker, just don't do it with me, you know,

[Claude]

or do it in our comment section to drive engagement.

[Jackie]

It's true. But, like, keep the fighting over there because I'm part of one human race.

[Claude]

Yeah. What's your race? Human.

[Jackie]

Seriously. And I feel like that's what the astronauts are trying to tell us.

[Claude]

I know they could have come down to Earth and they're Preaching, like, very much this message of unity. Because it must be so overwhelming when you get up there. Like, you can't believe. Like, especially in our country, we're so divided.

[Jackie]

We're gonna tear this beautiful planet apart.

[Claude]

Like, just like ripping each other's throats out.

[Jackie]

When all we have is each other in this big, wide galaxy.

[Claude]

Look around, sweetie. There's no one else.

[Jackie]

No one's coming.

[Claude]

No one's coming. Not the aliens, not anyone.

[Jackie]

It's frustrating. Imagine they're frustrated, the astronauts.

[Claude]

Yeah, well, we hear you. At least the two of us.

[Jackie]

The message came through to us.

[Claude]

Message equals received.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Job well done.

[Claude]

Jolly good job, Nalafi. It had to be done.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claude]

Almost hour and a half. It had to be done. Loft Cella. The N is silent. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast the Millennium morning show where we deliver the fast five stories he needs to everybody through Friday on YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe and give us video. Thumbs up. We're also available as podcast and every podcast can be found so that Spotify Public radio. I already cast books all the places we said podcast Fast Ruby Be about a beautiful signing and weekly time. Talented we are.

[Jackie]

Love you. Bye.

[Claude]

Okay, never mind. Jackie and I just wrapped the show. It's okay. Literally 13 minutes ago, Alex Cooper posted a tick tock tagging. Alex Earl speaking directly to Alexa. We cannot wait till tomorrow. This is my Coachella. I'll play the video for everyone. In case you haven't seen it, okay?

[Jackie]

Because it's. It's breaking news. It's just Alex talking to her phone, like in her backyard. So you don't need to see it.

[Alex Cooper]

Hey, guys. You guys know I don't usually address this kind of stuff because it feels like a waste of time. And honestly, it's embarrassing to participate in this. But I am obviously seeing the videos. I'm getting tagged. I see the DMs, I see the comments. So at this point, it just feels long overdue. Alex Earl. Hey, girl. The passive aggressive reposts and the likes and the commenting on things. I gotta call you out here. You're gonna need to get specific and just say what you gotta say about me. There's no NDA. No one is stopping you. Stop hiding behind other people and just say it yourself.

[Claude]

What's the beef?

[Alex Cooper]

Because I'm really tired of waking up and seeing you using this fake drama to distract from other shit going online for you. Not interested. I know what happened and so do you.

[Claude]

Hello?

[Alex Cooper]

So Talk. Unless the fake narrative that you're creating happens to be way more interesting than the truth. I have nothing to hide when it comes to you and me.

[Claude]

So

[Alex Cooper]

unless you actually have something to say, I'm out. This is over. Have a good Monday, everyone.

[Claude]

Okay, so quite literally, first of all, we still know nothing, but this is chilling. She literally just. The caption is at Alex Earl. When somebody said that to me the second we stopped recording, I. I got chills. Like, I need to know what happened.

[Jackie]

I just want to say that video is, like, masterful. Yeah, masterful. Like, wow. We. And we don't see a move like that often, but it puts all of the onus on Alex Earl, and it puts so much credit on this story to bt, because if Alex Earl doesn't show up with something really salacious. And now it actually has to be even more drama than what we thought originally, because now she's, like, calling her out for being, like, it really wasn't anything. So if it just winds up being like, a little skirmish, I. I don't think she could have handled this in a better way.

[Claude]

What is she talking about, though? That Alex is using this as a distraction from what's really going on?

[Jackie]

That was just shade. That was shade.

[Claude]

Because ever there's nothing going. Like, if there's something going on, I know about it. Like, everyone loves Alex. She's the best. Her brand is amazing. She deserves a Pulitzer for how she launched with her puzzle pieces. Like, the products are great. Everybody loves the products.

[Jackie]

The shipping, just, like, shading her and. And throwing suspicion on her. And maybe you could say, like, you know, all the shea butter and Ray Al actives, I don't know. But, like. But I'm sorry. This is masterful.

[Claude]

I'm scared. Like, I'm scared for Alex, like, because Alex Cooper's so serious in the video, and she kind of delivers it. She doesn't say, like, she has no filler words. She's speaking directly to camera. I feel very threatened. Like, I'm scared for Alex. And, you know, Alex Earl right now was, like, hungover from Coachella. And, like, she's seeing this. I can only imagine. But the thing is, like, I do stand with Alex Cooper in the sense that I need to know what happened. So I actually appreciate her putting this video out because I feel like we're getting closer to the possibility Alex Earl is edging us a little bit, like

[Jackie]

you said, and that is what she's been doing, and it's been frustrating for us. And I imagine if you're Alex Cooper to. Regardless of what happened. Like, she's putting Alex Cooper in a bad spot. So, yeah, like, Alex Cooper has every right to defend herself and her not telling everyone. And better than, like, this is better than anything she could have done. Like, like, yeah, really, it's really sharp.

[Claude]

Alex Earl not telling everyone what Alex Cooper did just lets people's mind wander and definitely makes it worse than what actually happened.

[Jackie]

No. And even if she had told us last week what Alex Cooper did, it would have.

[Claude]

It would have been better.

[Jackie]

Better than now where it has to be really crazy now. Like, she will have to tell us a really crazy story, which I don't think it's really crazy. I think it was really just, you know, like, micro offenses and just a different way of working and just not a good fit. That's obviously not t. Maybe a little,

[Claude]

like, ego, you know, I'm Big Al. No, I'm Big Al.

[Jackie]

I don't even think. I don't think anything like, that was ever said. So what are you going to talk about?

[Claude]

It was vibes.

[Jackie]

Things that were not said. Like, you said, things that were felt. I'm sorry. She puts a lot of pressure on Alex Earl, like, to have a story and deliver, and she doesn't really have

[Claude]

a podcast anymore, so I'm curious, like,

[Jackie]

what this is perfect for a grwm.

[Claude]

Yeah. This is a developing story. I'm hoping to have more to share.

[Jackie]

Parking lot, three o'.

[Claude]

Clock.

[Jackie]

And it's like, if Alex Earl doesn't

[Claude]

show up, like, she's there or be square.

[Jackie]

She's a coward.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So she, like, has to, like, what would you do now if you're Alex Earl?

[Claude]

Cry? Like, I don't know.

[Jackie]

She, like, has to respond.

[Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I wonder how she. And she could still respond in a way that I'm like, oh, that. Of course.

[Claude]

No, you know, this is giving Dramageddon by Sister, like, dueling videos where Alex Cooper makes hers. Everyone sides with Alex Cooper. Alex Earl makes her. Oh, no, wait, we're back to team Alex Earl. Like, to the point where you go back and forth and then people stop caring.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So balls in Alex Earl's court. And unfortunately for her, she has to take a shot and she cannot miss.

[Claude]

Miss. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Otherwise, point for Lex.

[Claude]

This is a developing story. We will keep you briefed, of course, on kind of the biggest thing going on in pop culture right now. And we will see you tomorrow again. Love you.

[Jackie]

Bye again. Still loving you. Still. Bye.

[Claude]

Always and forever.