B (1:22)

It's a good man. Savannah.

A (1:24)

Oh, welcome back to New York.

B (1:25)

Thank you so much.

A (1:26)

What are you sipping on? A protein shake.

B (1:28)

I gotta get a protein shake because.

A (1:30)

Let me tell you something, you're withering away.

B (1:31)

Peacock is working my ass off.

A (1:33)

You have. You have lots of projects. Tell me about your projects, Justin. Of course, you know, just waiting for NBC to give you your job at the Today show.

B (1:39)

Of course, at this point, I don't know if it's going to happen, but the NFL might give me a job after this weekend.

A (1:44)

He running back.

B (1:45)

I know, right? So I'm doing reality hot seat. Basically, it's me, Heather Gay, Kate Chastain and Boston Rob from Traders and Survivor. We're going to be sitting down. We're going to be simulcasting a full football game.

A (2:00)

So funny.

B (2:01)

The Chiefs versus the Texans. We'll be talking about the football game, but we're also going to be talking about the drama off the field.

A (2:07)

Of course, one of my favorite things is, like, the connections between professional athletes and celebrities. Like, I always choose my team. For a while, I was a big Atlanta Falcons fan because Corey Biermann, like, I love the connection between housewives and just Celebrities in general with sports. And I love that people are starting to see reality tv, like, sports. I've. We're always saying, like, they need to do, like, a bar night for the Bachelor. Like, and I think with Love island, over the summer, a lot of bars started to host, like, how you would host the Super Bowl. You host Love island because, like, what's the equivalent of sports for women? It's really like, reality tv.

B (2:38)

Oh, and for men, by the way.

A (2:39)

Oh, sorry.

B (2:40)

They get into it, too.

A (2:41)

100%.

B (2:41)

Like, the straights get into it.

A (2:43)

Oh, we have to watch this. Meanwhile, he's, like, in the back being like, I cannot believe Lisa Rinna said that.

B (2:47)

Oh, no, no. My favorite thing to do is because I date a straight man every time. I'm like, oh, let's watch Real Housewives. He's like, ugh. But we share an account, so I like to go in my account and see what he watches, and he will always go to the episode ahead, and he's like, oh, yeah, I just want to catch up with you. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But you're absolutely correct. Housewives is literally like football, the NFL, a thousand percent. There's drama, there's egos. There's a lot of story. There's a lot of things going on behind the scenes, and we are all going to dive into that.

A (3:20)

So a simulcast is like, when we're simultaneously watching you.

B (3:24)

Yes.

A (3:24)

And the football game.

B (3:25)

Think of me as, like, the reporter.

A (3:28)

Right?

B (3:28)

Yeah. You're Brian Gumball. Tony Romo. Yeah.

A (3:29)

Yeah.

B (3:29)

I'm gonna be Tony Romo.

A (3:30)

I'm so Tony Romo.

B (3:32)

I'm so Tony Romo.

A (3:33)

I love that.

B (3:34)

It's so funny because I went into this whole thing, the process was pretty fun. You know, in my line of work, there's a chemistry test, and I get into the chemistry test. There's some women. There's a straight chemistry.

A (3:47)

Like, what happens in a chemistry test.

B (3:48)

They want to see who you are. If you just, like, talk. Yeah, you just, you know, you talk. You see.

A (3:52)

If you vibe, you film, like, a fake episode. Basically.

B (3:54)

Basically.

A (3:55)

Okay.

B (3:56)

And I got into my chemistry test, and there's a straight guy in it. And, you know, questions about football would come up, and I would surprise myself because how much you knew, how much I knew, and how much I could explain, you know? So I was like, holy.

B (4:13)

Am I a straight bro now?

A (4:14)

Literally.

B (4:15)

Am I a football gay now? Yes, I'm a football gay.

A (4:18)

You are. Now, let me ask you a question, because you've got Heather Gay. You've got a ton of reality. Do you ever run into this issue where, like, so much of your job, especially when you were doing Daily Pop, so much of your job is, like, talking shit, right?

B (4:29)

Yeah.

A (4:29)

And sometimes it's not always, like, overwhelmingly positive, and then you, like, run into that person or you, like, you know, you see, like. Do you ever have weirdness like that?

B (4:36)

Mateo. Greatest fucking story. Yeah, I'm probably going to get shot.

A (4:40)

Let's do it. I'll protect you.

B (4:42)

I was at Malika Hawk's 40th birthday.

A (4:46)

Okay. Malika of Chloe and Malika of Khloe Mala.

B (4:50)

I ended up running into Tristan Thompson at said party.

B (5:00)

Yeah, of course, all the. The back and forth, we knew what was going on. You know, it was all crazy.

A (5:06)

Of course. Of course.

B (5:07)

And on Daily Pop at the time, that was, like, the hottest topic.

A (5:12)

Yeah.

B (5:12)

You know, he was the hottest topic.

A (5:14)

It was the biggest thing in the world at the time.

B (5:16)

It was the biggest thing in the world.

A (5:17)

Yeah.

B (5:18)

And my whole take, obviously Morgan Stewart had her take, and it was always like, fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. Like, how could he? Blah, blah. And my whole take was, you know, this is pretty terrible, but I also don't know what I would do or what my mindset would be if I was 20 years old and somebody handed me $15 million and all the in the world. I think it's a mind buck, a thousand percent. And I hope that one day he grows up, but right now, he is just not in that place, and we are seeing it unroll. He also doesn't have a dad. Like, you know, like, his mom was a single mom.

A (5:53)

You took a very human approach to it.

B (5:54)

It took a very human approach to it because, a. I just didn't want the show to sound, you know.

A (5:59)

Yeah. So negative. Yeah.

B (6:01)

And also, like, I don't want us to all sound the same, but I also felt for him a little bit.

A (6:04)

Right, right, right.

B (6:06)

I also dated a professional athlete. We'll get to that slay. Somebody in the NFL, we'll get to that slay. So that was always my approach, and I kept it the same way because I believed it.

B (6:18)

Run into him at the party.

B (6:23)

Black guys do this. It's like, you know, when you see two rams in the wild, we just naturally do that in a room sometimes when we don't like somebody. So I was like, hey, what's happening, man? Like, he's like, bro, I see you on my show. I see you on that show. And I'm like, oh, my God. And he's like 6 foot 5. So I'm like, you know, I'm getting a little nervous. My butt getting, you know. Your butt gets a little tight. Yeah. Like blood catcher. I'm like, yeah, would you want to talk about it? Like, we could talk it out. And he was like, you know, my mom always said that she liked you. Like, she loves your takes on that show, you know? And I was like, you know, I was mad at first, but then she made me realize, like, your takes, blah, blah, blah.

A (7:02)

And.

B (7:02)

And he and I start to have this one hour conversation about everything that had happened and about our, like, just how we grew up the same, how parallel our lives were, and how he was just genuinely, like, kind of touched that somebody understood and somebody was taking the other side.

A (7:23)

Right. Cause nobody was at the time.

B (7:25)

Nobody.

A (7:26)

Yeah.

B (7:26)

Was taking the other side.

A (7:27)

That's lovely.

B (7:28)

And I still stand by that.

A (7:29)

Well, I was asking, like, for more. The negative side. Cause, like, I feel like, what. But people do what we do. What happened to Morgan Stewart with Justin Bieber? Do you remember that? When he tweeted the clip about her, like, making fun of him and, like, came for her? That is, I think, every podcast or commentator's worst nightmare. Nightmare. Has anything like that ever happened to you? But you're not really a negative person. You do really see things like that. Tristan is a good example of, like, you just being a human being.

B (7:52)

Yeah. Oh, no. It's happened. I had someone's publicist call me. Like, this woman would. Would literally sit by the phone. We would rap at 9am By 9:02.

A (8:03)

She was on the phone.

B (8:04)

She on the motherfucking phone. And I'm like, babe, you can't be upset about this. Like, you got to chill the fuck out.

A (8:11)

Yeah. I had Carol Rodell's publicist, like, threatening me once, but during the. The Cartagena years. Remember that? Bethany B. Carroll.

B (8:18)

Damn. Isn't it scary?

A (8:20)

But by the way, I feel like I was so young, too now. Like, I dare someone to fuck with me.

B (8:25)

Right.

A (8:25)

But back then I was like. I was like, texting, like, Fiercely, but I was shitting my pants behind the scenes. I was like, I'm sorry I did it.

B (8:32)

Well, it's also like, New York is small.

A (8:33)

Yes.

B (8:34)

Like, you guys are going to see each other around thousand, but I feel like podcasters want to do that now.

A (8:39)

Yes. It's like a good way to be buzzy. Yeah. But, like, I'm not. I don't have the stomach for it.

B (8:46)

I don't. It's so weird because when you're a podcaster, you answer to yourself and when you are on a network like back then, it's like we want to try this opinion based thing, but we really want celebrities to show up.

A (9:01)

Right, Right.

B (9:02)

So it's kind of balanced. Yeah, it's kind of like this fine dance.

A (9:06)

And E News is less like opinion. You're just like you're delivering the news.

B (9:10)

Oh, I have zero.

A (9:11)

You don't get in trouble. Did you ever get in trouble on Nightly Pop and Daily. Oh, sorry, Daily Pop.

B (9:15)

Yeah, we got in trouble. I got in trouble a few times. But I again, I was in the wild card. I let Morgan Stewart kind of be the. Yeah. And I'm also black and gay. You know what I mean?

A (9:27)

Like I do.

B (9:28)

If you tell a white woman that her hair looked a mess, you're fucking going down. Right. You know what I mean? If I tell a white woman, damn, your hair looks a mess. People are like, right?

A (9:36)

Oh, he's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can get away.

B (9:38)

You can get away with it.

A (9:39)

Yeah.

B (9:39)

Wendy Williams was a gay black man.

A (9:42)

That's an amazing point. And let's talk about Wendy Williams. I know it is a modern tragedy and I think I watched. It's so funny. I reference this all the time and I feel like people are going to make fun of me because I tell the same five stories five times. She did a partnership with Lifetime where they did one of their like turnt recreations biopics.

B (10:00)

Yeah.

A (10:01)

And it was one of the worst movies. But it was incredible. And I feel like I actually learned everything I know about Wendy Williams like in her mega a career like in radio up until she doesn't get in her flowers for kind of the. The woman that she was. I feel like when we talk about like women in daytime, we talk about of course like Ellen and Wendy kind of gets like lost in the sauce. But she's really that bitch.

B (10:21)

She is that bitch. Also, Wendy was the first person to survive Diddy.

A (10:27)

What do you mean by that?

B (10:28)

Diddy tried to cancel Wendy years ago. She got kicked off a radio.

A (10:33)

Oh my God. What was she saying about him?

B (10:34)

Oh, everything.

A (10:35)

The truth.

B (10:35)

She was saying everything.

A (10:36)

She knew everything. Yeah, right.

B (10:37)

She knew every fucking thing. Okay. She said it. She didn't give a. And what Wendy did, crossing over from radio to daytime was legendary.

A (10:47)

Yeah.

B (10:47)

I have never in my life seen. If you have never seen a Wendy Williams show, just Google Wendy Williams, Hot Topics. We're talking about a woman, it's true, sitting on a chair, captivating an audience for 10 minutes straight just by telling stories.

A (11:05)

But she also likes. Really told the truth. And I think that's, like, so valuable in the sense that, like, anything. We saw it a lot with, like, Fashion Police and Joan, like, she. Joan used to say, you're making $25 million a movie. I'm allowed to make fun of your dress. And we very much live in, like, sensitive times. Yeah. And Wendy was saying stuff. And now you would go back and watch you almost clutch your pearls when she says some of the things that she says, because in this day and age, you would never fly.

B (11:26)

Oh, no.

A (11:26)

And she really was like, you said, you have to balance being at a network and you. It's. She had interviews, she had people come on. Like, you want to balance being a safe place for celebrities while also talking to your audience and making people engage and like your show. And sometimes that means saying the uncomfortable truth. And she really balanced it very well.

B (11:41)

Well, she was the black Howard Stern.

A (11:44)

Oh, I love that comparison. Yeah.

B (11:46)

So before Howard Stern got on the Voice or America's Got Talent, before we ruined Howard Stern, basically, before we got. Get got. Gave Howard Stern a publicist.

A (11:54)

Yeah. Right. He cleaned up his act real quick.

B (11:56)

He cleaned up his act real quick for that cash. And I'm not mad. I'm not mad at it.

A (12:00)

I respect the hustle.

B (12:01)

However, Howard Stern had carved out this really niche role for himself where America kind of let him get away with a lot of stuff.

A (12:09)

I mean, when you go back and watch some of those clips, you guys.

B (12:11)

I can't believe Howard's a lot.

A (12:13)

Howard Stern in the early 2000s.

B (12:14)

It is like the 90s.

A (12:16)

It is the worst, most misogynistic, like, it's fucking disgusting.

B (12:20)

Bitch. Howard Stern would have women come to his studio, put a speaker on the floor, have them straddle it, and have them sit on it for an hour. Like, that is some crazy shit.

A (12:32)

It's so true, and it's so wild. How he's turned it around is kind of a go to now. You know, you do Jimmy Fallon, you do Stern, and it's really thoughtful. One of my favorite celebrity memoirs is Howard Sterns, where he, like, transcribes a lot of his old interviews and then like, gives his takes in between. It is a great book, but it's shocking that that's the same person.

B (12:50)

It's wild.

A (12:50)

Yeah.

B (12:51)

You know, but she would have. I swear to you, if Wendy Williams had not had the people around her that she had, I think she would have stayed on TV and she wouldn't have flinched.

A (13:01)

No, I think so too.

B (13:02)

That she was day one.

A (13:04)

It is the saddest thing. Like how her story ended.

B (13:07)

Watch that Lifetime special.

A (13:09)

I watched the. The dramatized version of her life.

B (13:12)

You didn't watch the. She had a reality show.

A (13:14)

Oh, yes, of course. The documentary while she was having graves disease. Yes, of course, of course.

B (13:19)

I mean, one of the saddest things I've ever seen in my life.

A (13:21)

I know. And it doesn't get talked about enough. Like the tragedy of Wendy Williams last couple of years on air.

B (13:26)

I know.

A (13:27)

And you know, she was dealing with so much shit in her personal life.

B (13:29)

I mean, that husband had a woman around the corner.

A (13:32)

Husband. It's always the husband.

B (13:33)

It's always the husband.

A (13:35)

Now, today's a special day because of course you're in studio with me, but it's also Spotify rap day, which I feel like is day for everyone, but especially at the Toast. I want to say the white girls. Yeah, of course. Do you think Spotify rap is a white girl thing?

B (13:45)

Oh, my God. It's such a white girl, white gay thing. Oh, my God. It's for Brianna and Kevin.

A (13:50)

I'm cracking up. You're kind of right. It's the white thing. Such a big day here at the Toast. Well, thank you to everyone for tagging us in your Spotify wrapped. But it's also a great day because we find out so much. I feel like one of the funny things about like Internet is that everybody acts like they're the shit, right? Like, oh, I have a million this and I have a million that. I'm. And Spotify wrapped his data. And Spotify wrapped is the numbers and it's the streams. And I think a lot of people have like overblown streams and a lot of people make it seem like they're doing bigger and better than they are. And Spotify wrapped is kind of the. We're holding up a mirror to everyone.

B (14:21)

Well, let's see.

A (14:22)

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So just visit prolonlife.com toast that's P R-O-L-O-N-L-I-F-E.com toast to claim your 15 discount and your bonus gift. Prolonlife.com toast okay, so Spotify wrapped is here. It's the Internet's favorite day of the Year, the streaming platform rolled out updates in its year end experience along with their lists. Now the lists are always listing. Without a doubt, 2025 belonged to bad Bunny. He landed atop Spotify's global top artist and global top album list for the January released. I'm going to botch this. Debbie Chirar mas photos. Demi Lovatos los photos Debbie. I mean, I am like part Latina because my name is Claudia, so Debbie Tirar mas photos. He returned to the number one spot. Taylor had had it in previous years. It's always like, taylor, Bunny, Taylor, Bunny. But the interesting thing is that they have the list of top artists and then the list of top albums. Bad Bunny's on the top artist and the albums. Taylor's on the artist but not on the albums. And that's. She's a wide breadth of music and I think a lot of people like go to listen to her old stuff or. But it is kind of interesting. There were a lot of interesting things.

B (21:13)

Well, here's the jam. She also does vinyls.

A (21:16)

Right? Right.

B (21:18)

So they're not counting those vinyls.

A (21:20)

Yeah, because this is just on Spotify.

B (21:21)

No, no, all those fans are buying vinyl now, so.

A (21:24)

And then they have songs of the year. The most interesting thing. The most streamed song of the year. If I gave you a million guesses, I feel like you wouldn't guess it.

B (21:31)

Is it some TikTok song?

A (21:32)

No.

B (21:33)

What is it?

A (21:34)

Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, Die with a smile, which is a great song. I loved it, but I didn't know everybody else did.

B (21:40)

Everybody else loved it too.

A (21:41)

I was shocked.

B (21:42)

Everyone else loved it.

A (21:43)

Birds of a feather was number two.

B (21:46)

So good.

A (21:50)

And then, wow. Bruno Mars is occupying the top two, by the way.

B (21:55)

But he's a global artist, you guys.

A (21:57)

He is.

B (21:57)

We're thinking America. This is globally.

A (22:00)

After that was Alex Warren's Ordinary. That's a tick tock song. Do you know that one? Then Somber's breakout hit, back to Friends. I'm unfamiliar. That's number six. And then of course number seven, golden from K Pop, Demon Hunters. I love that song.

B (22:14)

Also, everyone take a snapshot of these numbers right now, because next year those numbers are not going to look the same.

A (22:20)

Right.

B (22:20)

There's a lot of controversy going on in the music industry right now.

A (22:23)

Explain.

B (22:24)

A lot of people are.

B (22:29)

Very much so accusing labels of using bots to get people numbers to stream to stream. That's why some people have lost millions and millions of streams over the last few months.

A (22:39)

Wait, that's so interesting.

B (22:40)

Cracking down, like, allegedly. There's like A man in Turkey that has a bot form that. Like record labels, when they want to go ahead and juice up somebody's song, they pay that person, like $250,000 and that person gets those bots going. That's what I heard.

A (22:55)

No, that's actually really interesting. But I do want to ask you what you make of. There is a noticeable absence in these lists of your girl who? Beyonce. She was not on the top 50 most streamed artists. Like, she didn't release music this year, so it's not uncommon for her not to be in, like, the album. But like, Maroon 5 was on the top 50.

B (23:13)

It's crazy.

A (23:14)

And Beyonce wasn't. I found that so confusing.

B (23:17)

I also think that people were using Tidal for her Apple music.

A (23:21)

You know, like. You know, like, that's interesting.

B (23:23)

People were using titles.

A (23:24)

You have to remember that this is.

B (23:25)

This is only Spotify. Right?

A (23:27)

Right.

B (23:27)

This is only Spotify.

A (23:29)

So other notable things were.

A (23:34)

Hold on. They. They crowned Taylor Swift. Oh, Taylor. I'm sorry. Taylor Swift was the number one most streamed artist in the US in the US So they do two. They do us and they do global. And always global is Bad Bunny. And always us is. Is either either Bad Bunny or Taylor Swift. I find the US Ones more interesting just because, like, those are my peeps.

B (23:51)

Yeah.

A (23:52)

But the number one songs, you Die with a Smile, Birds of a Feather, Apita Ordinary.

A (23:58)

Most streamed artists were Bad Bunny, then Taylor Swift, then the Weeknd, which, like, I know he plays everywhere.

B (24:05)

He's always on tour radio.

A (24:06)

Oh, he's always on tour.

B (24:08)

He's always on tour.

A (24:08)

How do you know anyone who's like a huge the Weeknd fan? Like, that's their number one.

B (24:12)

Well, you have to remember this.

A (24:13)

Yeah.

B (24:14)

The Weeknd is a bar mitzvah.

A (24:16)

Yeah.

B (24:17)

Guy.

A (24:18)

Yeah.

B (24:18)

Weddings, like Bruno Mars is bar mitzvah. When you become a bar mitzvah artist like the Black Eyed Peas, Earth, Wind and Fire. Yes.

A (24:25)

But I love that comparison.

B (24:27)

Multi generational music. Like, you have those hits where people who are in their 40s, in their 30s, in their 50s, like, they're all listening to it. And that's what the Weeknd is. He's bar mitzvah music. That's what I feel about the Super Bowl. Like, the super bowl should be only for bar mitzvah artists.

A (24:44)

I completely agree. Okay. So of recent years, in terms of super bowl performers, and I would love to get your take on Bad Bunny.

B (24:48)

Yeah.

A (24:49)

Who do you think was a good selection? And who do you think, like, we could have lived without?

B (24:53)

This is A very big hot take. And I'm going to piss a lot of people off. But the super bowl should only be women.

A (25:00)

Oh, my God. By the way, I said that. And I completely agree.

B (25:03)

I'm sexist.

A (25:04)

I'm sorry, it's for the girls.

B (25:05)

I'm sorry, it's for the girls.

A (25:07)

That's how I feel also about the national anthem. So I'm a little suspicious of Charlie Puth, who's doing it this year.

B (25:11)

It should only be for the girls.

A (25:12)

I totally agree.

B (25:13)

And I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna say this loud. If you're a man performing at the super bowl and out of the 14 minutes, if six is not for a pop girly or two, you have, you have messed up.

A (25:25)

So does that mean you didn't like.

B (25:27)

Usher, by the way? Usher's bar mitzvah music?

A (25:30)

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

B (25:31)

Usher's bar mitzvah with music. The only thing I didn't like about Usher's performance, and I'm gonna be completely honest right here. Usher started on the field. The cameras are everywhere. I didn't know where to look. It was like all this Vegas shit coming out. I needed him to start on stage.

A (25:45)

Yeah. A little bit more, like organized.

B (25:46)

A little bit more organized. But again, if you're bar mitzvah music, I'm in.

A (25:50)

Yeah.

B (25:51)

Wow.

A (25:52)

Well, I love Spotify wrapped. I hope they keep giving us data and you know, all these other YouTube now does year end information and Apple does it too. It doesn't hit the same. Spotify invented this. I love it. It's like my favorite time of year. And you're right, I guess it is like so white woman.

B (26:09)

Such white woman coded. White women and white. If you get a ice latte in the wintertime, Spotify rap is for you. Okay. I. I'm talking to you, Brian.

A (26:20)

I am seen.

B (26:20)

I'm talking to you, Andy the Lights.

A (26:25)

Do you know who your number one artist was? Cause shockingly mine. It's actually not shocking. I love her. I always have the same couple of people. Like Taylor's always in there. But this year I had Rascal Flatts is always in there. You know, I'm like a country girl.

B (26:36)

I love Rascal Flats.

A (26:37)

Love, love Rascal Flats. This year I had a lot of Sabrina. I think she was like my number one or number two artist. I love her.

B (26:42)

I got stuck on Tate McRae this year. Tate McCrae. Megan the Stallion.

A (26:45)

Yeah, yeah. Have you seen Tate McCrae live?

B (26:49)

I have not seen her live, but I saw that vma performance. I used to talk so much about her. I talk so much because.

A (26:55)

Are you talking about Tate McCrae? T. If you're talking about.

B (26:57)

In the beginning, I didn't understand it.

A (26:59)

Yeah.

B (27:00)

I was like, I don't know about this, you guys. All the songs sound the same. She's just dancing too much. Like. And then I saw on the VMAs.

A (27:09)

Yeah.

B (27:09)

And I apologize publicly now.

A (27:11)

I had an opposite experience with Tate McRae. I just want to say I feel like for the come up, I was like, oh, she's it. She's the next thing next. Britney, the dancing. Her leg goes all the way above her head. But I feel like she just kind of let me down. I know she's huge. I know she plays arenas and I know, like, all of her songs go viral, but, like, I don't know. I feel like she hasn't had real mainstream impact yet.

B (27:28)

She's also very young.

A (27:29)

Yes, yes, yes, yes. But she's released like three albums in the last three years. The Grammy nominations just came out. They hopped right over her. Addison Rae got a nomination. Like, everyone kind of.

B (27:38)

I know, it's kind of crazy.

A (27:40)

It is. I don't stream Addison Rae. I don't understand Addison Rae, but I respect Addison Rae, by the way.

B (27:49)

I'm here for the come up. I'm here for anybody's come up.

A (27:52)

Me too. I was more like down with addison Rae making TikToks and doing Netflix movies. That was just more my taste because I have, like low brow taste. You don't need to agree with that.

A (28:01)

But I understand, like, this is an art.

B (28:03)

Yeah. I think the thing that I. When I look at a pop girl.

B (28:09)

Everybody wants easy right now. So, like, Sabrina Carpenter was easy. You know, Espresso came out. Everyone could sing the song. Okay.

A (28:17)

But you're wrong about that, by the way. Sabrina Carpenter had released six albums before Espresso. She was on the Disney track. She was releasing so much music, she. It was like a 10 year come up.

B (28:26)

Well, let's talk about that.

A (28:27)

Let's talk about that. It happened very quickly. Once it happened with Espresso. Espresso made her the number one artist in the world.

B (28:32)

Let me tell you why. Those 10 albums, if you listen to those 10 albums, that woman sounds like Christina Aguilera. She has vocal range. She's giving you Christina.

A (28:44)

She's Disney. She's well trained.

B (28:45)

She's well trained. America couldn't handle that.

A (28:48)

Agreed.

B (28:49)

From a young woman, they couldn't handle that. So she was like, okay, just.

B (28:56)

He expressed that America can digest that. They can sing it, they can put it on TikTok. Same with her dance moves. Very easy. Very. You know, she had to slow herself down for everyone else. Tate McCray has not slowed herself down yet.

A (29:10)

That's actually a really interesting parallel because.

B (29:14)

You can't remake those dances on TikTok unless you are a dancer.

A (29:17)

Right? Right.

B (29:18)

So the minute Tate McCray realizes that Britney Spears doing this was easy for America.

B (29:25)

You know what I mean? You just got to give America something they can digest.

A (29:28)

Our next story is troublesome. I hate when people say this. Okay. Travis Kelce was talking about his relationship with Taylor Swift, and he said the thing that, like, you're not supposed to say. It's like, you know when somebody says something and you realize it's like the biggest red flag. Him and Taylor Swift have never once had an argument during their two and a half year relationship.

B (29:46)

I don't know, girl. That picture at Lake Como looked like y' all were fighting, that y' all were beefing at their wedding.

A (29:51)

So they were interviewing George Clooney on their podcast Slay. And then when asking Clooney about his past claim that him and his wife Amal have never gotten into an argument in their 10 years together, Kelsey flipped the script and he said. Clooney said, no, I'm not lying. Travis, should we ask you the same question? And then Travis laughed and said, well, it's only been, you know, two and a half years, but you're right, I haven't gotten into an argument. Never once. George Clooney went on to explain that he and Amal do not see the point in arguing, noting, neither of us are going to win the argument, so why get in? Dude, I'm 64 years old, and what am I going to argue about? End at the. At this point, you know, I've met this incredible woman. She's beautiful, she's smart. She stands for all the most important things that I believe in in the world. And I can't believe how lucky I am. So what am I going to fight about?

B (30:32)

I believe him.

A (30:34)

I believe. Okay, ready?

B (30:37)

I believe him.

A (30:37)

I believe George Clooney because I believe that his marriage with Amal is just, like.

A (30:44)

Not that deep.

B (30:45)

I, I.

A (30:46)

Do you agree?

B (30:47)

Took the words out of my mouth. I think he was like, listen, I'm 55, right?

A (30:51)

I need.

B (30:51)

You're 40, right?

A (30:52)

It works so well for both of them. I don't think it's the great love of our time. I don't think it's, you know, they're not gonna write sonnets about this marriage. So maybe do they not engage in arguments? Sure.

A (31:05)

If it's true that Taylor and Travis and when Jay Shetty was on, he wrote a book about relationships and then came on the podcast and I read something and I always like. It's like the one thing I took from the book is about, like communicating. And if you're not fighting, you're not communicating like fighting. A small amount of fighting, a healthy amount of fighting is good in any relationship. It's extremes. Right. If you're fighting all the time, that's not a good relationship. It's not a healthy relationship.

B (31:27)

True.

A (31:27)

If you're never fighting, it's opposite end. That's also not good. It's somewhere in the middle. Is a healthy medium. So Travis saying that him and Taylor never fight. Like, I don't love that. I can't lie because Taylor is like a very deep person. And I do think this is a real relationship. I wouldn't put it in the same box as I put George in a mall.

B (31:44)

Okay, but you're missing one part.

B (31:48)

They met. Met. And then she went on a world tour.

A (31:51)

Right.

B (31:51)

For an entire year. Right, Right. He is also in training camp at the same time.

A (31:57)

You think they're too busy to fight?

B (31:58)

I think they were too busy to fight. I think that their relationship started a year after they actually started dating because they weren't in the same place.

A (32:08)

Right. Well, but that also not being in the same place causes a lot of fights.

B (32:11)

Not when you have a private jet picking your man up to go to Dublin to see you for two nights and then fly him back. Honey, if you got a G550 that can fly over Atlantic Ocean, you're Gucci. What you gonna fight about?

A (32:23)

Right. When you have a plane. That's a good point. There really isn't anything to fight about when you own a private plane. I believe she actually owns several.

B (32:29)

When you have that much money, you can eliminate a lot of the fights.

A (32:33)

So true.

B (32:33)

When are you gonna come see me? When am I gonna see you?

A (32:36)

It doesn't take a lot. It's not like a grand gesture. You're just getting on the plane. The way people get into their cars.

B (32:40)

100%.

A (32:41)

No, I like that. That's true.

B (32:42)

These people have not really hit the one year mark of being together all the time.

A (32:48)

Yeah.

B (32:49)

Here's where the trouble is going to come in.

A (32:51)

Yeah.

B (32:51)

And this is not a negative thing to say. I'm going to back this up with facts. Okay. When this man retires from Football, which is coming.

A (32:59)

Yeah. Tom Brady, say something.

B (33:00)

His check engine light is thousand percent. He should have got that oil change two years ago, but his check engine light is on.

A (33:08)

Yeah. It's almost time.

B (33:09)

It's almost time. He's also the target of every defense. They want to make an example out of it. So he's not getting the looks that he was getting before. If you look at what happened with Tom Brady, him and Giselle were together for a very long time. He said, I'm going to retire, and I'm going to be at home with these kids with you, and we're going to start to live your life. He retired and then went right back in three months later because he couldn't figure out who he was. These men lose who they are whenever they. Their identity is all shattered.

A (33:42)

No. And, like, it's nice to be on the same journey as your partner. Right? Like, we're in our hustle era, or we're in our quiet era. And I don't see Taylor stopping anytime soon, because as a musician, you can make music until you're 80. It can be the best music you've ever made with an athlete. You know, you reach 40, and that's the peak. Like. No, that's not the peak. That's the end.

B (34:01)

The end.

A (34:02)

So, yeah, I do think that right now they're both in their hustle era, and it's, like, going so well for both of them. He went to the Super Bowl. Like, it's great.

B (34:11)

And by the way, let me tell you something right now, nothing's worse in a relationship than when a woman.

A (34:19)

Yeah. Is doing better.

B (34:20)

He's doing better than a man. No matter how, you know, formed a.

A (34:24)

Man is even the strongest.

B (34:26)

Even the strongest motherfuckers. Yes.

A (34:29)

It gets to them.

B (34:29)

It gets to them a little bit. And I think the challenge is gonna come whenever he's at that pinnacle, and he's gotta really look inside himself and find out who he is without football 1000%. And that's when the fighting's gonna start. I think they're gonna get through it.

A (34:43)

Yeah. But that's where it gets, like. It's not so easy street.

B (34:45)

It's not so easy Street.

A (34:46)

But that's also what I remember last year we were following, like, every Chiefs game, and they just win because there's this great team. And they didn't win the last Super Bowl. Correct.

B (34:55)

Yeah.

A (34:56)

And that was, like, the first. I feel, like, tough time for them. Like, up until that point, of course, you never know what goes on behind closed Doors. But up. It was like, all easy loving. Win. Everyone loves us. Number one song, Number one team.

B (35:07)

And then it was like, yeah, by the way, that look that private jets getting to everybody, right?

A (35:13)

It's easy to get comfortable.

B (35:14)

He's getting comfortable. He's also getting old. It's his time.

A (35:18)

So I also. I saw somebody, I think it was Liz, was posted on her story, like, because I think it's always a red flag when somebody says, oh, we never fight. It's like, well, you're never talking because it's just a human thing to butt heads.

A (35:30)

And it's like, well, they obviously probably do argue, but, like, maybe. I don't know, maybe people have different opinions of what arguing means.

B (35:38)

I don't think, by the way, I. I don't know. I'm telling you right now also, like, let's be honest. Girls don't show their guys who they really are.

A (35:47)

Yeah. Until a whole fucking year.

B (35:49)

Men. 90 days. In 90 days, we're farting in front of you. They're doing the whole nine yards. Like, on day 91, bitch. He gonna show you who he really is. Girls can keep up the charade for at least a year and a half.

A (36:01)

Until it's not even a time period. It's like a timeline. Like, once they. You're married, it's over.

B (36:06)

It's over. The feathers come out, right? The crazy.

A (36:08)

The crazy rears its ugly head.

B (36:10)

The crazy rhythm ahead.

A (36:11)

I love our next story because I've been wondering so much. You know, Jen's getting out of prison this month, December 2025. Her. Well, so I was wondering, like, what. How is Bravo going to engage? There's so much mystery around Jen and her return to the show. And, like, Will, where does Bravo draw the line? We've never had a situation like this where the housewife herself, it's, you know, Tom Girardi, the husband. It was Teresa and her husband. And they defrauded the government. Nobody cares when you defraud the government. No, this is a woman who committed the crime herself. And it was pretty egregious. So what's the moral code here? How does Bravo move forward? And Andy Cohen has opened his mouth about it, and I was really surprised at his take. He said, absolutely not. Please stop asking me. He put his foot down hard.

B (37:03)

He's.

A (37:05)

He said no.

B (37:05)

He said, cut the camera.

A (37:07)

He said, not only are we. Of course not. Like, it was so obvious.

B (37:10)

Stop asking me.

A (37:11)

Like, don't even bring it up anymore.

B (37:13)

Stop asking.

A (37:13)

I was shocked. Now her team has, like, been you know, releasing these statements about her growth. She's done a lot of reflecting and growth during her time away. She's not the same woman she was before. Her focus is on family, building a healthier, more grounded life, and she understands the seriousness of her mistakes.

A (37:31)

But Andy said, absolutely not.

B (37:34)

This is my hot take. I have no information on this.

A (37:37)

Let's hear it.

B (37:37)

But I'm just gonna say it.

B (37:40)

I bet that Jen Shaw, when she saw or heard about what was happening on that season, the amount of legal letters and amount of invoices and amount of emails that she must have sent to Bravo.

A (37:55)

Yeah, of course.

B (37:56)

From inside the walls, literally, she had. The amount of shit she must have caused at that network while this season was airing and showing what she was doing must have been so insane that she cannot even walk through that building.

A (38:14)

The interesting about that franchise, though, is that, like, it's so popular right now, and they had this, like, benchmark moment. Like, when we think of the crazy things that have happened on House. I was like, Jen shot getting. You know, Homeland Security started swatting the. And the way that. That season, like, wasn't even popular the way it is now, like, the show has really thrived without her. It's crazy. And I think maybe the network, you know, can say, no, we're not gonna have her, because they don't really need her. The show's crushing. Where you would have thought, like, the season and then the season where she was on trial, like, the Housewives, like, never even. They're all fighting with each other about some other shit. Nobody was even asking her. Like, hey, did you defraud the elderly? Yeah, like, not the disabled. Like, nobody even asked her. Like, they totally dropped the ball. It was, like, kind of the worst season ever when it should have been this, like, big, insane. That scene on the sprinter van was insane. And then everything after that was, like, not.

B (39:00)

It was crazy.

A (39:01)

So I just feel like they actually don't even need her. But I am, like, pleasantly surprised that we're not going to condone this type of behavior and, like, make her a star. I'm all set on my Jen Shaw.

B (39:09)

Yeah, I think I'm good without. Without Jen Shaw.

A (39:12)

But then, you know. You know who this is not good news for?

B (39:14)

Who?

A (39:15)

Wendy Oseffo.

B (39:18)

But again, she wasn't. She wasn't.

A (39:19)

She's innocent until proven guilty.

B (39:21)

And she wasn't defrauding the elderly.

A (39:22)

No. She was just frauding sacks.

B (39:24)

Yeah, sure.

A (39:24)

The insurance companies.

B (39:25)

Yeah. You know what I mean?

A (39:26)

Right? Do we care? No. I wonder, like, what well, of course she's, you know, innocent until proven guilty. Although the evidence is astounding. What do you make of that situation?

B (39:37)

I hope that there is something else going on. First and foremost, Wendy has four degrees. Her husband is a lawyer.

A (39:43)

How you could be so stupid?

B (39:44)

I just want. If you're gonna be a criminal, I just want you to crime harder.

A (39:47)

Right. Be a good one.

B (39:48)

I want you to be a good criminal. I just want you to have put some effort into it. Because if this case is that shut and dry, right.

A (39:54)

Like your husband's a lawyer and you're literally writing emails to each other about the crime you're about to commit, it's so stupid.

B (39:59)

I'm pissed. You know what I mean? Like, I just. I wanna know that you tried harder.

A (40:04)

Yeah.

B (40:04)

So it can't be that easy. So I'm gonna believe that Wendy is.

A (40:07)

Is innocent. Innocent. I know. Even though, like I was. I like read. It's really like, it's really terrible. It's bad. And the thing is, I actually think she's a great housewife. So it's a loss for the community. Like, I actually didn't think Jen Shaw was a great housewife. I don't think she contributed a lot to the show outside of her trial.

B (40:22)

Yeah.

A (40:23)

Where it's like Wendy came on the scene when she was slithering. Like, you know, Karen Huger, like, she's a good housewife. She contributes.

B (40:30)

I think that Wendy is gonna let this play out. I don't think she's gonna Jen Shaw it in the sense that she's gonna give them a lot of headache for, you know, what they're showing, what they're not showing. However, I grew up on A and E. Yeah. I watched Intervention. I watched people smoke heroin.

A (40:47)

Scared Straight.

B (40:47)

At seven o' clock I was on Scared Straight. You know what? If we're gonna have all these cons, let's show it.

A (40:53)

It's actually true. Cause also, Karen Huger, she's just been released for her DUI's. Yes. Will she be on the program? Yes. She better show up.

B (41:00)

She's my bravocon.

A (41:01)

Oh well, she. She's my fucking favorite.

B (41:03)

She is. Is the greatest. Also didn't hurt anybody.

A (41:06)

Right, Right.

B (41:07)

You know what I mean?

A (41:07)

Thank God.

B (41:08)

But also, that is her journey. This is her reality.

A (41:11)

Right.

B (41:11)

And it's a reality and it's a reality show. So of course, out of six women, one of them is going to be a criminal. Right. It's always the one in Jimmy Choos.

A (41:19)

It's, you know, it's Sort of just like physics. Math.

B (41:22)

Yes, it's math.

A (41:23)

Six housewives.

B (41:24)

It's girl math.

A (41:25)

Next up is your favorite girl.

B (41:26)

Who?

A (41:27)

Megan Markle. So.

A (41:31)

So, you know, she has a new season of With Love, and it came out today, so nobody's really, like, watched it in full yet. But Harry has made an appearance, like, thank God. Showing up for work today. He made an appearance in season three. The Duke of Sussex made a surprise appearance on With Love. She did. It's not like a new season. It's like a holiday, which is smart batch of episodes. It's called With Love. Megan Colon holiday celebration. He timed a welcoming in just in time to try some of the food that her and the celebrity guest, Tom Colicchio were cooking. Up, up. He walked in and he sells. Sorry. He walked in and he said. This is what he said. I smelled gumbo.

B (42:06)

Shut up. First of all, hold on, hold on. Hold the phone.

A (42:12)

Yeah.

B (42:13)

She invited a white man to make a gumbo, and I'm from Louisiana.

A (42:18)

How does that make you feel?

B (42:19)

Triggered.

A (42:20)

Yeah, it's offended.

B (42:21)

He didn't smell anything but water.

A (42:23)

Right? He said, I smelled gumbo. He gave me a quick kiss and then introduced himself to Tom. He said, gumbo for me is like, one of my favorites. Favorites, especially her mom's. But before the fish goes in. What? He doesn't eat fish.

B (42:36)

By the way. Nobody should be putting fish in their gumbo.

A (42:39)

So Doria, her mom, I guess, has, like, a world famous gumbo. She always saves a little portion on the side, I guess, without fish.

B (42:47)

Yeah.

A (42:48)

You're saying gumbo shouldn't have fish? No, it has sausage. Right?

B (42:50)

You can put sausage. You can put gumbo. I mean, you could put shrimp. You can put. You know, I hope he's talking about shrimp.

A (42:56)

So this is what. If you're curious, I know you. Oh, you're a big gumbo fan.

B (42:59)

Yeah.

A (42:59)

Okay, so. So Doria puts in an andouille sausage.

B (43:03)

Andouille sausage.

A (43:04)

Andouille sausage. My mom. This is what she said. My mom does the turkey sausage for Harry. So this one has more kick in it. I'll give you a towel. He's gonna start sweating. So hers is, like, spicy.

B (43:14)

This one has salt in it. He might start sweating.

A (43:16)

When Harry tried the dish, he admitted. I can feel it puncturing through the top of my head right now. It's delicious. I'm not sure it's as good as your mom's, but it's certainly close in.

B (43:24)

Front of Tom Colicchio. He said that?

A (43:26)

Yep.

B (43:27)

Damn. He has zero moral confidence the comment.

A (43:29)

Sparked a lot of false outrage. According to E. News from Megan before she conceded. My mom will love you. What a good thing for you to say to your mother in law.

B (43:37)

Hilarious.

A (43:37)

This is so, like, I have to watch it because the way that they're just transcribing, it, like, feels awkward.

B (43:41)

Here's a jam. That show is like, all it's fair.

A (43:44)

Oh, yeah.

B (43:45)

Everyone's hate watching.

A (43:46)

So bad. It's so good.

B (43:47)

It's so bad. It's so good. And I'm hooked.

A (43:49)

Yeah, you are.

B (43:50)

And I'm excited for season two and.

A (43:51)

Ready for season two.

B (43:52)

I couldn't by way. The by the way, after you get past episode one, episode one, and episode two, I'm not gonna lie.

A (43:57)

Not great.

B (43:58)

Not great. Three on get ready.

A (44:01)

So I just finished last night. I just caught up with the new season of Kardashians where she's filming All's fair while filming the Kardashians. And it does make a compelling case for the show. And, you know, the women are so tight and it's a real friendship, like Sarah Paulson, Teyana Taylor and Kim. Like, it's real. So I want it to do well, like, so that they can all hang out again.

B (44:20)

It's going to do well.

A (44:21)

Yeah.

B (44:21)

Here's the thing. I think that they put her again. Don't quote me on this. This is just my professional opinion. I think Ryan Murphy was like, you are going to lead the show. You're going to be number one on the call sheet. It's going to be this big thing. I think she got in that arena. I think they gave her way too much dialogue in the first two episodes. Way too much. They went back to the writers room and said, you know what? But let's dial that back a little bit. Let's meet her where she is. And now in 3, 4, and 5, it's become more about Sarah Paulson's character. Nene.

A (44:53)

Right. Niecy Nash, character development for the artist.

B (44:56)

Yeah. And, you know, they put all the other ones in the forefront and they give her just enough lines to make her relevant. To make her relevant, but also to meet her where she is. That's great.

A (45:06)

And I love it.

B (45:07)

I think it's great.

A (45:08)

Now, are you watching the new? I was talking about this yesterday with Joey Kamasta on Max, the heated rivalry show show.

B (45:14)

I'm reading the book.

A (45:15)

Oh, you are? Okay. So are you gonna read the book before?

B (45:18)

I don't know if I can watch it.

A (45:20)

If it's anything like the book, I think it Is.

B (45:22)

So let me tell you what happened. Have you. Have you.

A (45:24)

I know what? I haven't watched and I haven't read the book. I literally heard about the show yesterday, and now it's everywhere I see. Everyone's talking about it. It's based on a romance novel. And you're currently reading the novel, Claudia, clutching your pearls.

B (45:36)

Claudia, I almost lost my job yesterday.

A (45:40)

Why?

B (45:40)

Because of this book.

A (45:41)

Okay, it's.

B (45:42)

First of all, for all the straights out, there's 50 shades of gray. But for gay, homosexual, it's homosexual hobo session. As my aunt will say. Homosexual.

B (45:57)

I was listening to the book on audio.

A (46:00)

Okay, we know you love an audiobook.

B (46:02)

I love an audiobook. I have my ear pods in. In the makeup room. My phone was, like, maybe 20ft away from me. 20 yards. I got 10 yards away from me. I'm listening to it. I'm getting my makeup done. And it starts on the sex scene. There's always a sex scene, of course, but it's so graphic.

A (46:21)

It's an erotic novel.

B (46:22)

And all of a sudden, I hear power off.

B (46:26)

On my headset, which means.

A (46:28)

It'S playing on the phone.

B (46:29)

It's playing on the phone. Uma Thurman is two chairs down from me. Oh, God, the way I jumped from my phone onto the makeup chair next to me. Pass Uma Thurman to press pause on this thing. My finger literally hit the pause button. It is the hottest book you have ever read.

A (46:54)

Can I ask you a question about the audiobook?

B (46:55)

Yeah.

A (46:56)

Cause a lot of times they, like, take liberties with the audiobook where they have multiple people playing different characters. Is it like a drama? It's one.

B (47:02)

One person and it's dramatized.

A (47:03)

And it's a man.

B (47:03)

It's a man. And he does a Russian accent.

A (47:06)

You're kidding.

B (47:07)

And he does an American accent.

A (47:08)

One of the guys is Russian. One of them is Canadian.

B (47:09)

Oh, my God, he's so good at it.

A (47:11)

You're kidding. That's so funny.

B (47:12)

And by the way, in the. In the prologue, before it even starts, they're. They're.

A (47:18)

Wow.

B (47:19)

They are in the credits, in the index. Okay. That's in the index? The title page has it.

A (47:26)

Wow. And so you're going to finish the book and then watch a show.

B (47:29)

I don't think I need the show at this point.

A (47:31)

Apparently there's, like, a tuna melt scene. Have you gotten to that?

B (47:33)

I am not there yet.

A (47:34)

Okay.

B (47:34)

But I'm going to tell you something. You don't even need the show.

A (47:37)

Yeah.

B (47:38)

Are you watching?

A (47:38)

I love L. A. I'm not. But it's come across my HBO max many times. Do I need to be? I feel like I'm a little old for it.

B (47:44)

No, do it.

A (47:45)

Okay.

B (47:45)

Do it. It's good, Claudia. It's so good.

A (47:48)

Is that your current, like obsession?

B (47:49)

That's my current. That's like my current girl right now. That in Marmon Wife.

A (47:53)

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B (53:30)

Yes.

A (53:31)

And every girl in the picture looked like a fudgeing hostage. Like, they looked dead behind the eyes. They looked gray. I'm like, is this the worst lighting? Have they. They look like they beat them up and then made them take pictures. So Queen Jessie is giving a little bit of insight. She said they really. She made a TikTok. They released our reunion looks, and obviously I was horrified by the photos. They make us take the photos at the end of the day when we're all so done and when you watch the reunion, you're gonna know why I feel and look the way that I do. She had. The reunion was explosive. And then when they make you get up after the reunion, the last thing she wanted to do was smile for the camera. And next year, we're gonna make sure we take really good photos. And hopefully those are the ones that they use. I mean, I did see the photos, and, you know, I'm like, a negative person. I was like, does everybody here look horrible? Everyone's curl is like, yeah, the curls have fallen. The makeup, they're pale. Like, the spray tans faded. I was, like, wondering why it looked so turned. Cause I saw the reunion trailer and Stassi was there, and everyone looked very pretty.

B (54:27)

Yeah.

A (54:27)

And I wonder. You probably know this better than me. When they do the housewives pictures. I know they do the group photo at the end. End.

B (54:32)

They do everybody before.

A (54:33)

But it's a group photo at the end.

B (54:35)

The group photo is always at the end.

A (54:36)

So sometimes some people are like.

B (54:37)

They don't leave.

A (54:38)

But the individual, like, outfit shots before, as you should.

B (54:41)

Well, they're smart. They've been doing this for 20 years. You know what I mean? You know what else they don't do at the reunion?

A (54:46)

Play the sound.

B (54:48)

No, no, they play the sound. But you used to. When I first started going with Kyle, I could be in the room. I could see the reunion.

A (54:55)

Yeah. Like, you were, like, on stage.

B (54:57)

Yes. There was a moment. I don't know if you remember this. Teresa, her hairstylist, was backstage and overheard something that Melissa had said on a hot mic and told Teresa and then Teresa went to confront Melissa off camera or on. On camera. I don't know if you remember this.

A (55:16)

It doesn't sound familiar, but.

B (55:17)

But ever since that incident, there's no more. Like, you can't hear anything. No, you can see it, but you can't hear it.

A (55:23)

So when I. I was reading Andy's book, and it's like a. A million years ago. It's a diary and something he wr. He was talking about how they're having a big issue with all the reunions, with things getting leaked, and he was like. So we had the idea. Cause there are monitors in everyone's dressing room. So hair and makeup stays in the dressing room, but they can watch on the monitor. He was like, we had this audio pulled so it's on mute so hair and makeup can see. Cause they need to see if somebody's, like, looking turnt. But they turned off all the audio, and he was like, we stopped having leaks immediately.

B (55:50)

No, it's crazy. But did you watch Orange county this season?

A (55:52)

No, I didn't. Bitch. What happened?

B (55:55)

Oh, you just have to watch Reunion.

A (55:56)

Really?

B (55:57)

Yes.

A (55:57)

Oh, my God.

B (55:58)

There is the bitch. Biggest plot twist. I don't want to ruin it for anybody.

A (56:01)

Oh, you're kidding.

B (56:02)

There's the biggest plot twist. It's Orange county is an hour, you know, like normal housewives. And when you watch the finale, you're like, oh, my God. Why is this an hour and 10 minutes? That's a weird extra programming. Yeah. What's a extra 10 minutes for? There's a phone call between podcast like a blogger and these cast members, and they basically expose one of the housewives lives as a leak. And what happens is this person starts coming with dates and storylines and things that, like, people met up on this date, and it's so crazy. And this is the crazy part.

A (56:41)

Yeah.

B (56:41)

The housewife that they have, you know, basically question in question, has no idea this conversation has happened.

A (56:48)

Oh, so she shows up to the reunion.

B (56:49)

So she goes. Goes to the reunion. They go through, like, 10 hours of the reunion. At hour 11, they play back this tape. And four of the seven housewives know that this has happened because they were there.

A (57:02)

Y.

B (57:02)

And this one housewife has no clue. Yikes.

A (57:05)

It is magic.

B (57:06)

Wild.

A (57:07)

So you've been to a reunion taping?

B (57:08)

Yeah.

A (57:09)

How long are they?

B (57:10)

Like, 12, 14 hours.

A (57:11)

Oh, my God. And you just sit in the dressing room.

B (57:13)

I used to go. I don't go anymore. You know, I went, you're busy. And by the way, it's really hard. Hard to watch Your best friend go through something like that, Especially back in the day when she was.

A (57:28)

The Kim stuff.

B (57:29)

The Kim stuff. You know, it was the Lisa Vanderpump of it all. It was like the Brandi Glanville.

A (57:36)

Oh, my God. I just saw a video of Brandi Glanville for the first time in a really long time. She got bangs.

B (57:40)

It's really tough.

A (57:41)

Yeah.

B (57:41)

You know, that was hard for me, and I. It's something I never want to do again because it's like, you know, it's an emotional day.

A (57:49)

No. And it's like a trip. Like, you can't intervene. You can't help. You just have to watch.

B (57:52)

You just have to watch. And then, like, you know, she comes to the sideline, and you could tell she's beat up and defeated.

A (57:58)

Yeah.

B (57:59)

And it's hard. So I could. The hair and makeup people, like, go forward. They're making. They're getting a check.

A (58:05)

Yeah, right, right. You know, it's many hours.

B (58:06)

As a friend, it's like, I just wanted to get, like, a getaway car.

A (58:10)

I don't need to watch you suffer.

B (58:11)

For free I don't need to watch you suffer for free so now what I do is I meet up at the house after.

A (58:16)

Get the chicken.

B (58:17)

I just let her unload.

A (58:19)

Yeah, of course.

B (58:19)

You know what I mean?

A (58:20)

Yeah.

B (58:20)

And they used to do this thing. It was like a tradition. No matter how hard it was, they.

A (58:24)

All went to dinner.

B (58:24)

They all used to go to dinner together.

A (58:26)

Not anymore.

B (58:26)

And not anymore.

A (58:27)

Yikes.

B (58:28)

Because it's tough.

A (58:29)

So I've been watching Bravo, like, my whole life. And when I was in high school, I grew up in the city. Real houses in New York was, like, at it in its heyday. It was like, when this happened, it was like the Kristen Takeman years. And I went out to dinner. I was at. I remember Hunt and Fish Club, like, in Times Square area. And all the ladies walked in and it was their, like, post reunion dinner. I think it was like, Kristin Takeman. Bethany was there. I think it was the season that, like, Ramona threw a glass at Kristen Takeman when she was, like, swimming in the lake. And I can tell you, I've never been more excited in my whole life. Like, it was the best night of my life.

B (59:00)

Oh, no, it's crazy.

A (59:01)

I don't think they do it anymore. Most of the OG franchises, like, a lot of the women, they just can't fucking stand each other. What do you make of Melissa and Teresa's reunion at this point?

B (59:09)

I don't care what Was the catalyst. It was time.

A (59:12)

Yeah, it was time. Do you think it's real though, or they just want to get back on camera? Because the show is like not picked up cameras.

B (59:17)

I think it's real.

A (59:17)

You do?

B (59:18)

Yeah, I think it's real.

A (59:20)

Oh, I'm like a negative person, so I think it's fake.

B (59:21)

I think it's real. You know, I think that somebody had good intention. I think that they were probably waiting for Theresa to apologize for so many years and she probably wouldn't.

A (59:31)

Right.

B (59:31)

And she finally was like, here's an olive branch. And they were like, this is the closest we're gonna get to an apology on. Let's just move on. It's taken too much time and it's taken too much energy.

A (59:40)

But they all rely on like on that money a lot.

B (59:42)

They all do rely on that money a lot. It's pretty scary.

A (59:45)

I know.

B (59:46)

Also, reality TV with your family is not the greatest idea.

A (59:51)

100%. It never goes well.

B (59:53)

It never goes well. And honestly, like it always comes out right.

A (59:58)

Especially if you're going into it like fractured.

B (60:00)

Yeah.

A (60:01)

Which I feel like Kim and Kyle were when they first started. Like they were not in a good place.

B (60:04)

Of course.

A (60:06)

It's just.

B (60:06)

It was wild. I mean, that was my first year in la.

A (60:10)

That's insane.

B (60:11)

It was.

A (60:12)

Were you at any of the filming for season one?

B (60:14)

Yeah. So my whole existence there, there was a group of gay guys. So Lisa had a gay. Taylor had a Cedric. Cedric. Cedric Taylor had a gay. And Adrienne Maloof had a gay. And they were basically all trying to figure out how to get a spin.

A (60:32)

Off off each of the housewives.

B (60:35)

The gays.

A (60:36)

Oh, oh, that's funny.

B (60:37)

The gays were trying to like one gay was like, we should all band together. We should all figure this out.

A (60:43)

Yeah.

B (60:43)

And I immediately was turned off by it because I didn't want her to.

A (60:48)

Think you were like encroaching and being thirsty.

B (60:50)

Exactly. So if you see me as season one, I'm normally hiding in the background.

A (60:55)

Right.

B (60:55)

Just cuz I never wanted her to feel like I was there for something else.

A (60:58)

Much future.

B (60:59)

Yeah. And then those gays all basically went away and I just kind of stuck around. But I was kind of scared, you know, to be on camera.

A (61:09)

Of course, first season, even just getting mic'd up, like, you forget that it's on.

B (61:13)

No, no. And all you need is one hot mic.

A (61:16)

All you need is one rogue comment.

B (61:18)

All it takes is one fucking hot mic.

A (61:21)

I mean, Lisa Barlow.

B (61:22)

Lisa, Lisa.

A (61:24)

Lisa Barlow with her Fucking whore family.

B (61:26)

Posing by the way day. Can you imagine? Like, but it's.

A (61:30)

I know, it's like a human thing. Like, you get mad, you just rant to your husband and you ran to whoever and you don't mean it, but like, oh, yeah.

B (61:36)

And let me tell you, working on that first season of Housewives, I went into that job not knowing what she was doing.

A (61:42)

What was your job technically? Were you her assistant?

B (61:44)

Yeah, it was like her right hand man. She told me that she was doing a reality show when I first met her. She didn't tell me what reality show it was. So when I first met her, she was like, yeah, I'm just gonna do this reality show. I just need you for like three or four months. Have I told you the story?

A (61:59)

No.

B (62:01)

I go to interview with her, she was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna need you for like three or four months.

A (62:05)

How did you, like, know she was looking for an assistant?

B (62:07)

Like, so, Mike, I was. I worked weddings in Louisiana every weekend. And one of my bridesmaids was Ali Landry, who basically was like, you should move to la. I have this girlfriend who started in this reality show and I think you would really hit it off with her. Wow. And I was like, well, I mean. I mean, I was thinking about moving in May. She was like, well, what are you doing in January? I'm like, I'm graduating college. She was like, just move.

A (62:28)

Oh, my God.

B (62:29)

So I was like, okay. So I moved to la, and when I got to her house, I mean, I was a wreck.

A (62:35)

Yeah.

B (62:35)

I was like, so when are we gonna, like, meet your friend? She was like, oh, I haven't told her that you're here or that, you know, she doesn't know she needs someone. But I think you guys will hit it off. So in my mind, I'm like, wait, I just blew my life up for like, you know, for a maybe.

A (62:48)

Yeah.

B (62:49)

So I got a headhunter, just in case, because the meeting kept on getting pushed back and pushed back. I met with this woman. She is an A list actress.

A (63:01)

Are you not gonna tell me who it is?

B (63:02)

Not gonna tell you who it is. I went on an interview with her manager, and then the second interview was at this woman's house.

A (63:08)

With her.

B (63:09)

With her. I walk in this house, there's a vanity about the size of that wall, and it's a like, you know, I'd never seen a mirror with those lights. You know what I mean? It's old Hollywood. And this woman is standing in her. Sitting in her mirror, and it's all white in the bathroom. And she is putting lotion on her elbows. I'll never forget this. And her titties are out.

A (63:36)

Like, she's not wearing a shirt.

B (63:38)

The housekeeper was like, oh, she'll see you now.

A (63:41)

So you thought you interrupted.

B (63:42)

No. Know, the housekeeper escorted me up, and this woman is sitting there with her titties out. Meanwhile, I'm like, I'm a gay man, bitch, right? I work retail, right? I've seen some titties.

A (63:54)

You've seen it all.

B (63:55)

I've seen some titties.

A (63:55)

Yeah.

B (63:56)

I'm not afraid of no titties.

A (63:57)

No, I don't think that you are.

B (63:58)

We're having a full conversation. Titties out, titties out, La Mer. And she is not looking at me like this. She's looking at me in the mirror, through the mirror, and she is lathering that shit on.

A (64:08)

Oh, my God. God.

B (64:10)

So at the end of the interview, she goes, anything else? I said, yeah, you missed a spot. And I point at her back and I leave. And by the time I got in the car, she had hit me up. She wanted me to start.

A (64:24)

So did you accept?

B (64:25)

So I was like. I went home to Ally. I was living at Ali's house. I was like, listen, this just happened to me, right? I don't care if this woman is paying in rupees. I'm taking this job. Like, I want to be with this crazy woman for at least a year.

A (64:36)

Yeah.

B (64:37)

She was like, no, I swear to you, this meeting with Kyle's gonna come up. So. Crazy Lamar bitch. I put on the back burnout. Kept on pushing her off, pushing her off. We kept on negotiating back and forth.

A (64:46)

Good, good, good.

B (64:47)

I meet with Kyle, and she was like, yeah, it's gonna be three months. And I'm like, I don't know. Crazy La Mer lady's like, you know, more stable. So Ali was like, think about it this way. If you take the job with Kyle, you'll learn so much on the back end about production, and you'll meet people in the industry like, you should really take that job. And I'm like, you know what? You haven't steered me wrong.

A (65:08)

I'm gonna trust you.

B (65:08)

I'm gonna take this job.

B (65:11)

I show up at this bitch's house on day one, they're like, can you sign this release form? And I'm like, yeah, sign the release form. And when I read the top of the release form, I was like, holy. Yeah, that's Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

A (65:24)

Oh, and you had heard of the franchise. Like, from New York. Yeah.

B (65:27)

Yes. O. I go to her house. I get in the house, and I'm like, listen, ma'. Am. Like, you don't know me from Adam. We have met one time at a sushi restaurant. But this is not just some random reality show. Your life is about to change.

A (65:42)

Right?

B (65:42)

And you got to play this smart.

A (65:44)

Yeah.

B (65:44)

And she was like, what do you mean? I'm like, three months is not enough. You have to do confessions, then you have to do reunions. Then we got to. With all these people on Twitter, like, this is going to be crazy. Like, brand deals. And. And she was like, like, oh, wait, I just thought I was going to just film this fun reality show with my sisters in Adobe. So she ends up going. It's like day three of my. Of my job there. And in her mind, she's still having me for three months, right. I'm packing her for New York. Camille is inviting everybody to laus. I said, you know, before you get on this plane, I'm going to tell you, camille Grammer is going to come for you in New York. Be prepared. She was like, I don't know. I don't think you're right. I'm like, I swear to you, Camille is the queen bee of Malibu. You are the queen bee of Beverly Hills. It's gonna be. She's gonna come for you. They always do it. It's. It's. It's text women. Textbook 101.

A (66:43)

Yeah. Right?

B (66:43)

She was like, ha ha, blah, blah. Just make sure goes to New York. I get a phone call eight hours later, she's crying. She's like, I fucking cursed. I said, you're such a fucking liar, Camille. I can't believe I cursed on camera. Like, oh, my God.

A (66:57)

So funny.

B (66:57)

I was like, just so you know, that line is iconic. Is iconic.

A (67:01)

Yeah.

B (67:01)

I'm telling you right now, it's gonna be iconic.

A (67:04)

Liar. Camille, she came home.

B (67:06)

She was like, don't go anywhere.

A (67:08)

Wow.

B (67:08)

You're gonna be here for a year.

A (67:10)

I never knew the Justin Sylvester origin story. The more you know.

B (67:13)

Smoking a Capri with Ali Landry.

A (67:15)

Not a Capri.

B (67:16)

Smoking a capri.

A (67:17)

Not electric cigarette at a wedding.

B (67:18)

No, just a little something. Skinny one.

A (67:19)

Obsessed.

B (67:20)

I know. I love her.

A (67:21)

I love you. I love you, and I love chatting with you. Did I do all the stories? Did we do five? Yeah, right? Yeah. Spotify, Prince Harry. Yeah, we did it. Okay. Slay things. We did that.

B (67:30)

We had a good little time.

A (67:31)

Tell everyone about where they can watch you on Sunday.

B (67:33)

You guys peacock 8:00pm Eastern Standard Time. You don't want to miss it. Heather Gay, myself, Boston Rob, Kate Chastain. It's going to be a good one. It's for the guys who love football and the girls who pretend they do so come right on in.

A (67:48)

Even the girls who pretend they don't like. It's a perfect thing for husbands and wives, boyfriends or girlfriends to watch together.

B (67:52)

By the way, you ain't got to know shit. I don't know shit.

A (67:54)

Totally. Well, Justin, I love you.

B (67:56)

I love you guys.

A (67:57)

Thank you so much for listening to the Toast, the millennial morning show where we Deliver the Fast 5 stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere. Podcast to be found. So that's Spotify, itunes, Stitcher Public Radio. I already castbox all the places web listen to podcast. Find us the Toast. Leave a five star review about a beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented we are. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we will see you tomorrow.

B (68:15)

Yeah.

A (68:15)

Love ya. Bye.

B (68:21)

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