Yolito Wesmandoval: Wednesday, May 27th, 2026

Summary

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The Toast — Yolito Wesmandoval (May 27, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this vibrant Wednesday episode of The Toast, Jackie and Claudia Oshry serve up a classic catch-up on pop culture, Bravo TV scandals, influencer news, and everyday life. The main event is an in-depth recap of the Summer House reunion (Part 1), focusing on the “Wesmandoval” relationship scandal and the emotional fallout among the cast. The episode is peppered with sisterly banter, influencer rabbit holes, family stories, and enthusiastic tangents—infused with the Oshry sisters’ signature swirly and irreverent style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Post-Drama Lull & Influencer Deep Dives

• The hosts reflect on a recent "dry spell" in Bravo drama following big storylines, expressing relief that Summer House's reunion gives fresh meat for discussion.

  “Thank God. It was getting a little dry. Like, we had so many highs... then it was, like, kind of, like, dry.” — Claudia [00:33]

• A sidetrack into influencer family life, prompted by a story about their sister Olivia being influenced by Arie Luyendyk Jr.’s Instagram content—especially his handy 3D-printed home solutions.

  “He 3D printed, like, this organizer for her lipsticks the exact size of her foundation. He’s kind of one of the most amazing influencers.” — Jackie [01:32]

• The hosts reflect on the appeal of influencer couples who create useful content, with a focus on authenticity and niche interests.

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2. Yolito: Sisterly Lingo & Family Dynamics

• The segment introduces the term "Yolito," a twist on "YOLO" used by sister Olivia, and how it’s become family-speak for agreeable silliness.

  “She says YOLO at the end of every sentence. Yolo... She’s an agreeable yolo. And so she’s made it a little Latin. She said yolito.” — Jackie & Claudia [05:09–05:26]

• Banter touches on child-rearing minutiae (cleaning belly buttons), family mahjong games, and appreciating family quirks.

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3. Mall Nostalgia & Suburban Life

• Jackie and Claudia recount taking the kids to the mall, noting a “return of mall culture” for Gen Z (“so mall!”), the value of offline experiences, and the joy of suburban errands.

• Discussion highlights:

  • Shopping for children’s clothes at Macy’s: “I did drop four figures, but on, like, a whole new yearlong wardrobe for your three children. Yeah, it’s pretty good.” — Claudia [08:40]
  • Dairy-free mall “ice cream” and the subtle victories of modern parenting.

    “It was literally just, like, flavored ice that looks like ice cream. Thank you.” — Jackie [10:12]

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4. Summer House Reunion Recap: Wesmandoval Edition

• Main Event — A deep dive into the Summer House reunion, focusing on the “Wesmandoval” (Wes + Amanda) saga, which the hosts immediately label as their “Super Bowl.”

a. Reunion Format & Cast Emotions

• The delayed arrival of the full cast frustrates the hosts, but they praise the editing:

  “I did appreciate the layout… we didn’t actually get everyone seated till the 17 minute mark. And I was like, damn, that’s annoying.” — Jackie [17:08]

• Jesse Solomon’s on-screen heartbreak resonates with Claudia:

  “Jesse Solomon breaks my heart. He’s like, he’s a devastating character.” — Claudia [17:41]

b. Wesmandoval Analysis

• The sisters debate the cultural response to the Amanda-Wes scandal, renaming it Wesmandoval, and discussing differences from Vanderpump Rules’ “Scandoval”:

  “It also wasn’t a scam, it was a betrayal. So it would be like betray…there’s no, there’s no scandal in West Mandeval.” — Claudia & Jackie [06:41]

• The ethics of the betrayal, timeline clarity, comparisons to real-life affairs vs. “middle schoolers with a crush.”

  “It’s just like two like softies. Immature people who are like having feelings for each other. Like a couple of middle schoolers.” — Claudia [19:14]

• Concern over the pile-on against Amanda, warning against bullying:

  “You do have to be really careful... it got to a place where I was like... what’s the next thing you guys are gonna tell this girl to kill herself?” — Jackie [18:34]

c. Relationship Timelines & Realness

• Dissection of the Amanda-Wes arc, Sierra and Lindsay’s perspectives, and whether Amanda and Wes handled things maturely (“lying is the worst way”).

  “There are better ways to go about it than what they…like lying is the worst.” — Jackie [19:55]

• Emotional fallout for Sierra, who’s more hurt by Amanda's actions than Wes’s.

  “Who do you feel more hurt by? And she thought about it for a second and she said, Amanda.” — Claudia [32:02]

• Insight into group dynamics and the cast’s shifting allegiances (Jesse Solomon, Mia, Bailey v. Ben, KJ & Dara).

d. Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Amanda’s reunion look:

  “It is painful how amazing Amanda looked. No, she looks amazing…she is hard to hate in that outfit.” — Claudia & Jackie [29:43]

• On Wes and Amanda’s future:

  “If done correctly—which is borderline impossible—I could see a group of the fandom, like, rooting for it... but now because they did it so dirty, like, lying…it's just, they look like they have, like, survivor's guilt and they're just, like, clinging to one another…” — Claudia [21:51]

• On Kyle’s lingering attachment to Amanda:

  “He, like, still loves her…He would take Amanda back in a second.” — Claudia [35:13]

e. Concerns about Reality TV & Mental Health

• KJ's openness about mental health struggles prompts a real talk about the pressures of reality fame.

  “I do feel like he should leave the show. Like, reality people don't talk about, like, how reality TV will lead you to that place…” — Jackie [26:06]

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5. Pop Culture Rabbit Holes & Influencer Updates

• Charlie Puth shouting out Mikayla Nogueira at his Boston show sparks giddy excitement and a mini deep dive into Mikayla’s high school boyfriend drama and her social media oversharing.

  “I'm so happy you're here with your boyfriend. Her boyfriend’s name is Zach.” — Jackie (recounting Charlie Puth) [47:25]

• Commentary on Alex Earl’s “Reale Actives/Reality Actives” skincare brand, influencer impact, and how Toast inside jokes (“calling it Real Actives”) take on a life of their own.

• Quick takes on concepts like namesake culture and influencer brands (Claudia’s quip: “Can someone just send it to me?” [50:04]).

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6. AI, Chatbots & Home Decor Crisis

• Claudia shares an existential apartment decorating crisis solved (with comic relief) via ChatGPT, nicknamed “Chad.”

  “We were going back and forth all night last night... According to Chat, we've really, finally landed on the core of what your style is. Your ideal home is visually calm and edited, but emotionally warm, inviting.” — Claudia [51:40]
  “You want the rare middle ground of serenity without the sterility.” — ChatGPT/Claudia [52:15]

• Jackie observes, “I think with yourself as well. Like identifying that feeling of yours…” [52:59]

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7. Rapid Fire Pop Culture Stories

• Lena Dunham & the Great British Bake Off: Lena’s refusal to appear on Celebrity GBBO due to “no shortcuts” and making her own nut butter.

  “But she said they don't even help you turn on the ovens. But I'm sorry, if you don't have to turn on oven, it maybe not the show for you.” — Jackie [62:01]

• Neil McDonough (“Dave” from Desperate Housewives): Reflections on being blackballed in Hollywood for refusing to kiss actors who weren't his wife, the toll it took, and a surprise assist from Luke Perry.

  “Because he won’t kiss women who aren’t his wife.” — Jackie [64:40]

• Ninja Warrior in the Olympics: Mild excitement about “American Ninja Warrior” becoming an Olympic sport and what new Olympic events mean for pop culture.

• LA Olympics & Celebrity Mayors: Musings about Spencer Pratt, Lisa Rinna, and Jonathan Cheban feuding over LA politics.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On the emotional tone of Summer House:

  • “I was like, I have to watch the Summer House reunion. This is like our Super Bowl.” — Claudia [07:19]
  • “You do have to be really careful.” — Jackie [18:52]
  • “I can't believe she's still crying over him.” — Claudia [31:54]

• On influencer culture:

  • “He 3D printed, like, this organizer for her lipsticks…” — Jackie [01:32]
  • “No, they’re—they have such a nice, like, family. They make such cute content.” — Jackie [04:16]
  • “The content is premium and people deserve to be rewarded.” — Claudia [04:12]

• On family meme-ification:

  • “She says YOLO at the end of every sentence... She’s an agreeable yolo…she said yolito.” — Jackie & Claudia [05:09–05:26]

• On reality TV and mental health:

  • “I do feel like he should leave the show. Like, reality people don’t talk about, like, how reality tv, like, will lead you to that place.” — Jackie [26:06]
  • “Everyone gets love and hate…even if you don’t do anything wrong.” — Claudia [27:00]

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Timestamps for Key Sections

• [00:24] – Show open: “Happy day after the Summer House reunion…”
• [01:09–04:06] – Influencer segment: Arie & Lauren Luyendyk, family Instagram rabbit holes
• [05:03–05:55] – “Yolito” lingo and mahjong stories
• [06:01–11:08] – Summer House anticipation; mall nostalgia; parenting tangents
• [17:01–41:37] – Summer House Reunion Recap (deep-dive)
  • [17:41]: Jesse Solomon’s heartbreak
  • [19:13]: Ethics & handling of the Wes/Amanda betrayal
  • [21:06]: Discussion on timelines, lies, and friend group impacts
  • [32:02]: Sierra’s emotional response: “Amanda hurt me more”
  • [34:07]: Sierra’s cutting remark to Amanda about relationship dynamic
• [47:25–48:53] – Charlie Puth & Mikayla Nogueira at the Boston concert
• [51:13–53:43] – Claudia’s AI chatbot home décor saga
• [58:08–62:01] – Lena Dunham & Great British Bake Off
• [64:13–67:08] – Neil McDonough’s vow not to kiss anyone but his wife
• [67:18–68:22] – American Ninja Warrior joins the Olympics

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The Oshry sisters keep the energy high, combining stream-of-consciousness pop culture takes with refreshingly honest self-reflection. They balance Bravo drama dissection with flights into influencer culture, family stories, and even existential design dilemmas—with plenty of “swirly” language, catchphrases, and authentic laughter.

Their recurring theme: finding humor and insight in the everyday, and not missing the small moments (“stop and smell her roses”), whether it’s a family “Yolito” or the latest influencer controversy.

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This summary captures all major discussion points and highlights the distinct, conversational tone of Jackie and Claudia Oshry, providing a complete recap for listeners who missed the episode or want quick access to the episode’s big moments.

Transcript

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Good morning, girlies.

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It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show.

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The best five things you need to know.

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We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

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They sound amazing.

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Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Wednesday. Or should I say happy day after the Summer House reunion part one Part.

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I guess we have three weeks of this sort of Wednesday.

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Thank God. It was getting a little dry. Like, we had so many highs of, like, you know, the secret lives of Mormon wives drama, the Bachelor scandal. Then we had Summer House commandable, and then it was, like, kind of, like, dry.

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And now we needed a moment to collect ourselves.

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Absolutely.

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And really, time heals all. So I do enjoy, like, having some breaks in between to process, you know, to. To accept the new reality.

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I have to tell you something so funny. So our sister Olivia was telling me, like, she's so funny. She was telling me that she was, like, watching Ari Lyndeck's Instagram, and then he had these, like, really nice outdoor lounge chairs, and she was singing back anymore. She was, like, influenced by Ari Leyendeck.

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And I'm like, he makes amazing content. I was trying to tell you that last week.

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So she was cracking me up, and I was like, I have to go see these lounge chairs. And I ended up on a fucking rabbit hole of the Leyendeck family. And then they're making this video, and it's like the full house theme song. Introducing Mom. Yeah, dad. Alessi. I was like, oh, my God, it's baby.

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Yeah.

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First of all, he has a 3D printer. Ari Linetake. And he makes, like, everything for his house. He was like, Lauren has been doing her makeup, and, like, her makeup's just, like, all over the vanity. And it's, like, been bothering her because. So he 3D printed, like, this organizer for her lipsticks the exact size of her foundation. He's kind of one of the most amazing influencers.

[B]

He is. He's so handy. He made her a chicken coop. He built. Oh, he built, like, everything. Like, what we talk about how, oh, I wish I had a husband that's like, oh, I want a reading bench. Build me a reading nook. He does it, and he, like, makes content from it. It. And, like, Jared Hyban Jackie.

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Oh, my God. Like, I'm seriously freaking out.

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I was thinking the same Jared Hybon could learn something from him.

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When I was watching his videos, I was like, oh, my God, you're freaking me out. I was like, literally, Jared Hybon could never. And it's like, this is the exact thing that Ashley's talking about. If you just applied yourself.

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No, it's like, find your passion and then do it on social media. Yeah, absolutely. You can do it. There's something for everything on social media. So, like, find what you love. Even if it's like making new coffee blends for Jared. Like, make content about it because you have a million fucking followers.

[A]

Absolutely. I thought this same thing because he's definitely like a niche creator that Ari Linedy. And I wonder.

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Not for me. He's like my main. And I follow Lauren.

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I saw that you followed Lauren, so I was.

[B]

You should follow her. You would love her. She has really good new mama energy. Oh, okay.

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I will follow her. I really. Oh, man, I'm cracking up. So. I just couldn't believe I was seeing baby less. He's all grown up.

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Yeah.

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And I'm not calling. Sorry, I don't want to call her baby. Let's see.

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She's like Toddler Alessi.

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Yeah. They have interesting names for their kids. Luxury was one of them.

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They have twins.

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Do they?

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Two of them are. I think it's cnn, Lux.

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We're freaks.

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Wait, Howard, the lounge chairs, where were they from?

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Oh, it was sponsored. Where were they from? Let me tell you, so I can just close the loop. They were really nice. The way he set them up. Like, it was. Of course, you know, Lauren went out for the day, so when she comes home, like, she needs a new backyard. If only Ben would make me a new backyard. Arline D. Okay, let me see.

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Like, if only, like, Ben is the

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perfect husband, except that he doesn't know how to, like, be handy and, like, use drills or build backyards, you know?

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Yeah. He also built himself a tool shed for all of his tools.

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Oh, I love that.

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And then he, like, filmed that and made content from it. Jared Polywood, Pollywood.

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Do you know that company?

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P O L Y W O D. Yeah.

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Okay, so hold on. Here's the big reveal.

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Oh, I think I saw this video.

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Oh, yeah, he's setting it up.

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I saw this video, but. Oh, I did see this video. At first I was like, oh, they are really nice. And they have storage underneath.

[A]

Oh, do they? I feel like they do huge cushions. I'm obsessed. Like, he's literally my favorite. Oh, they have built in umbrella stands. That's insane.

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Yeah.

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So Olivia was right. These are.

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She should get them.

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Absolutely.

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Go for new lounge chairs too.

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Oh, my God. Cracking up. So I spent like, you follow.

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Do you give a Follow.

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You know what? I should. Like, the content is premium and people deserve to be rewarded. So let me follow both of them right now.

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But I literally. We were having this conversation last privately. I don't know why the line eggs came up and I was like, no, they're. They have such a nice, like, family. They make such cute content. Like, they're really. I love following them. They're so great.

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Well out of the list of things you were telling me about for. But I had to experience for myself.

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Yeah. But this was a really short turnaround time, so that's.

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I'm getting better.

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And it had to be Olivia.

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Yolito.

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Yolito.

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We tell everybody about Yolito.

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Yeah, we.

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Olivia is just really one of a kind, you know? Don't you feel like there's nobody else? Like.

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No, there's not.

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Were we playing mahjong?

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I think we were playing mahjong. And you, like, were about to make a call or something?

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No, I told you, gu. Ruby's belly button.

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Oh.

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I was like, ruby, I'm like, how do you guys clean your kids belly buttons? Like, because I saw some, like, some dirt and. And you were like, it's fine. Like, yeah, he gets. He gets a bath every day.

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It'll like, figure, work itself out.

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Elliot's like, yeah, yolitoito. And she was saying yolo, which she does say a lot.

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She loves yolo.

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So chewy.

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Like, she's sort of like the way that we would say, like, totally, 100%. She says YOLO at the end of every sentence. Yolo.

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I feel like she kind of uses it like we use Pargy.

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Yeah, no, 100%. Like, as an agreeable term.

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Yes, she's an agree. Agreeable yolo. And so she's made it a little Latin. She said yolito.

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Yolito. It's a little bit of yolo.

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Like, that is seriously the funniest thing. And honestly, Yolito.

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No. And like, if you don't stop and notice, like, stop and smell the flowers with her, like, you'll miss these moments.

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Because the thing about Jackie is that when Olivia said Yolito, like, yeah, that's my sister. She says stuff like that. I didn't even notice it. And you then stopped the conversation and you said, wait, Ruby's belly button is dirty. Yolito. And I was like, yolito. I wouldn't have noticed it, but you stopped to point it out. And that's really the magic of Olivia. Like, you have to stop and smell her roses.

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It's really really true, Yolito. And that's what I can do is I can surface great content. Yeah, just like the place looks great.

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Yeah, it's like the line dikes just.

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Oh, I can surface the lined dikes content.

[A]

So last night with Summer House and In the City, I did watch like the first 20 minutes of in the City. But honestly, like the high. It was like an emotional high watching Summer House and Ben was locked the fudge. And it's funny, everyone was watching. Like our sister Margot was watching. She never watches Bravo. People who. It's really like Sandoval, what we call where like people from different universes are joining us. Ben. So locked in, by the way, like,

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I was thinking about it. What do you think is like the name that the culture has landed on?

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We call it Scamandaval, but I think everybody calls it Scamanda.

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I call it West Mandeval and I feel like that is appropriate. Scamanda does not work for me at all.

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Yeah. It also wasn't a scam, it was a betrayal. So it would be like betray.

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And also that there's no onus on west in that situation. That's why West Mandeval is perfect. But then the funny part is the Andoval because there, that's just Sandoval. There's no, there's no scandal in West Mandeval.

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Yeah, but like Oval implies the scandal and the Bravo.

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Like it's actually hysterical. He is his own term now.

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So our first story will be like the fall.

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Yeah, Summerhouse recap. Because that's what everybody's here to do today. As are we. I was like co sleeping my way through life last night. No, no, no. And like I had. So I have to like put the kids in my bed and go to sleep with them and then we transfer them. But it's like sometimes I do fall asleep with them.

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Of course, you're only human.

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But I'm like, I have to watch the Summer House reunion. This is like our Super Bowl. Like if I today and I hadn't watched it, like, what would we be doing?

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You know, one time I saw Lauren Elizabeth doing the craziest thing ever. But the more I think about it, the more kind of genius it was. I never knew.

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Lauren Elizabeth is ahead of her time.

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She is ready for this. She has an Apple TV like in her bedroom. And by the way, this is before she came a mom. So I don't know why she was doing it, but she connected her AirPods to her TV.

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Yes, I saw she did that once.

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That's like kind of brilliant. Like if your kids are sleeping, the light of the TV might not wake up, but the sound will. So if you could connect your AirPods.

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Yeah.

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Isn't that kind of like it's like surround sound.

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No, it's brilliant. Especially like if you have a newborn or something. However, Bluetooth, I don't use AirPods anymore. And if you are having a newborn, you shouldn't use them around them if you care about such things.

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Right.

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Just watch tv, you know?

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Yeah, right.

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Just watch.

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Also, newborns will sleep through anything.

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Like, I need a cord connecting all the way.

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They definitely sell it on Amazon. Like 100 funny. Yeah. What else can we talk about before we talk about like the thing, you know.

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Yeah. Oh, we had a fun day yesterday. We mahjonged and then we went to the mall.

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Oh, we did go to the mall.

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We bought out the entire children's floor of Macy's.

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Shout out to Macy's. Those are some killer deals.

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Yeah. I don't know how many deals I got because I did drop well.

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Yeah, you did drop four figures, but on like a whole new year long

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wardrobe for your three children. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's pretty good.

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Yeah. I love the mall.

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I know. We really, like did it well yesterday too. Like, we mauled with purpose.

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It's such a suburban like. And I feel like I was talking about this when I went on or when Susie Weiss came on the podcast that like, malls are back and they're really good for Gen Z because it's like offline irl, like, things that seem so obvious, like to us. When I see like a bunch of girls, like walking through the mall with Victoria's Secret shopping bags. I'm like, you guys didn't even know how good your life is. Like, that's the best part of your life. And I saw a lot of teenagers yesterday. It was very encouraging.

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Yeah, get your kids.

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Just drop them off at the mall.

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Yeah.

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Maybe don't drop them off, like wait outside or something. But you know.

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Yeah. Depending on how old are lurking. Stay back like 100ft, you know, eyes in the back of your head.

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But it was so Molly. Like the kids were at like Aritzia.

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Yeah. And we were definitely like at the after school, like, oh, timing. Yeah.

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And we got ice cream. It was just like, so mall.

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Yeah. No, it was really cute.

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It wasn't ice cream. It was like that dairy free, like freeze. Yeah.

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But it was great for the kids.

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Yeah. For me. Not gonna cut it. They did also have a haagen dazzle.

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Yeah. Like, it wasn't for. It was literally. You couldn't have dreamed of a better snack for the kids because they thought they had ice cream, but they really

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just had, like, dairy free ice cream

[B]

where it said dairy free?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Like, that's insane. Just like, go have a pizza or something. Like something else. If you're dairy free, you can't.

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Well, I guess. No, for me, like, I don't know what really box. It checks. But like, for the children, it was great. It was like, no sugar, alcohol, of course. Of course. Artificial flavors, no natural flavors. Like, no nothing. It was literally just like flavored ice that looks like ice cream. Thank you.

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Flavored ice. Yeah, it was like a snow cone.

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Thank you.

[A]

What else? What else? I'm just like trying not to say my Summer house thoughts, but I guess, like, we could.

[B]

We could get into it. I don't see why not.

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Was like so thin.

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I know. But like, that's because we have to get into things, you know?

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Weird lunch yesterday. I feel like there was some sort of mix up in the kitchen of my lunch.

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Yeah, I was there.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I had a burrito bowl, which I love, and I got chicken on it. And when it came, you just said

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that like, I pick Clark.

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I do. I pick Clark.

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I got chicken.

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I pick Clark.

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She got chicken.

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I actually really realized I don't want to tell my lunch story. Like, try being an influencer for a day.

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Yeah, I actually want to. Not only do I want to get into Summer house, but the rest of the stories, like, are hysterical. Like, they're so random. In a good way. In a good way. And I want to get into everything. So without further ado to do it is time for the past five stories that you do need to know.

[A]

And not to overhype, but we have some killer sponsors today. Like today's lead sponsor, which is true fru, they are launching a Greek yogurt product.

[B]

They sponsored my watching of Summer house last night.

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[B]

Thank you, Turt Elise.

[A]

My pleasure.

[B]

Our first story, Summer house reunion recap, part one, biggest bombshells and such.

[A]

So I did appreciate the layout, right. Because we didn't actually get, like, everyone seated till a 17 minute mark. And I was like, damn, that's annoying, because we're just, like, missing out.

[B]

No, no, no. But the way that they brought us in, like, I really appreciate it. What?

[A]

It reminded me when Lindsay and Kyle were, like, on the couch. They found out in.

[B]

Oh, like, Kim and Chloe.

[A]

Yes. With. Who was that? Jordan and Tristan. It was very meta. I thought it was well done. And it is interesting how they all called each other. I do believe that, like, they are really close off camera, which makes this whole situation. And I. I feel like Jesse Solomon's, like, getting a lot of. For crying. Like, but I know what he's saying. Like, we had this great friend group and, like, now it's ruined.

[B]

No, I know. Jesse Solomon breaks my heart.

[A]

He's like, he's a devastating character.

[B]

I feel like he needs to be date Margot and become a part of our family. I feel like he needs us. Did you feel that way?

[A]

I was yamming with him last night. He was loving my coverage on my Instagram story. So, like, Jesse reach out.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I feel like he needs the brothers.

[A]

Yeah. He needs, like, our sisters.

[B]

Yeah, he does. I really feel like he does. And I think him and Margot would get along. Even though I was sort of getting vibes last night for Jesse and Mia, anyone?

[A]

I just fucking love that Mia. And, like, I'm so glad they had a moment to be like, you're an amazing addition. I didn't realize how close her and Sierra were. Like, they live in the same building, and I love that. I think, like, both of them need each other, and it's a great friendship, and she's doing a really good job job of, like, supporting Sierra without, like, you know, making it about her without also going too far. And, like, that's sort of what happened with Scandal, and I don't want to get there. I feel like we, like, the very last thing Sierra said in last night's episode, like, was really mean. And I just don't want to get to that place where, like, Amanda's the victim.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so you do have to be really cautious because I do think that, at least for me, like, Ariana was so mean to Raquel. At least Raquel was sympathetic, like, she was sorry. Amanda's, like, not sorry, so she's hard to feel bad for. But, like, it got to a place where I was like, oh, my God, why? What's the next thing you guys are gonna tell this girl to kill herself? Like, yeah, it was such a pile on. So you do have to be really careful.

[B]

Yes, you do. And also last night I was realizing there are so I go through phases of being like, this is the biggest deal ever. And then also like, no, everyone was single, you know, and it's like, no, I kid did a cry understand why like Amanda like thought this. It was okay to like sort of process her feelings like, and even entertain this idea. Whereas like scandal was an affair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On a ten years long relationship. Sleeping in her bed. When her grandmother said like it was. Was so scandalous. And when Wes said this isn't a sex scandal, like, I actually understood what he meant. It's just like two like softies. Immature people who are like having feelings for each other. Like a couple of middle schoolers. Yeah.

[A]

That was his. I feel like their approach was like, to really downplay it. Being like it's a good.

[B]

It's a good approach.

[A]

It is, it is. But at the end of the day it really dismisses like how hurt so many people are. Everyone is finding a way to make this about themselves. But like I do feel like everybody. It's not really. It's not really a stretch of the truth. Like Jesse Solomon is devastated even though he wasn't betrayed. You know, but he was. The way that they just lied to everyone straight to their face.

[B]

Like, and at what I can understand, you're in a bad spot. Like, we like each other and we don't know how to go about it. There are no way that they went about. It would have ended in everyone loving them and it all working out. But there are better ways to go about it than what they like lying is the worst way. What they really should have done was like shelved their feelings.

[A]

Yeah. For a while.

[B]

Until this summer. And like let us watch them fall in love and maybe. Maybe we could root for them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And let us watch her telling Sierra. Like, I'm having feelings for West. I don't know what to do. I love you so much. You're my best friend. But like, you know, this is how I feel. And like, let us decide.

[A]

It was weird that like when Andy. When first of all, like, I just feel awkward around west and Amanda.

[B]

Like, they're just miserable and seeing them, like we never saw them together as a couple.

[A]

Yeah. And like when he just walks in, like gives her a kiss on the cheek and they're just like sitting there laying on each other. Like, like I.

[B]

As a couple, like, we never. I know we've heard about West Manda, but we never saw it before.

[A]

It's not cute.

[B]

We've only seen her with one partner over 10 years and someone who she didn't even like. Like, it's actually. And we never see him because God forbid he's someone's boyfriend. It's actually was like a shock. Comfortable to see the two of them together.

[A]

They are so obsessed with the timeline. Like, that's really all that they can.

[B]

Because I guess. And I guess they want to make clear that this is. It wasn't an affair and that things really didn't get physical for a while. It's actually.

[A]

They said that they didn't have sex until after the state.

[B]

I thought that was so crazy. You put out a statement and you ruined your life for such a.

[A]

Let's say that that's true. Like, how do you really even know that you liked each other? You're basically saying, like, you kissed and then wrote a statement.

[B]

Well, I think that they have been, like, fighting their feelings for months.

[A]

Yeah. The thing is.

[B]

And like, having intimate moments, maybe kissing, like, knowing we shouldn't. We should, you know, Forbidden love for months. And then they put out the statement. They felt free. Like, they did what they needed to do and they stopped lying. And then they could really consummate the relationship. Yeah,

[A]

kind of. Well, the thing is, no, if you. If they had handled this in any other way, like, there is an argument to be made that it's like, seriously, like star cross lovers. Like, it could be romantic. But now it's just they look like they have, like, survivor's guilt and they're just, like, clinging to one another for reasons I genuinely don't understand. Yes. If done correctly, which is borderline impossible to do.

[B]

Borderline impossible.

[A]

I could see, like, a group of the fandom, like, rooting for it, being like, it's inconvenient.

[B]

But it's their truth. Yes.

[A]

But now because they did it so dirty, like, lying, like, to Jesse Solomon. And I'm glad.

[B]

And Sierra asked, explicit. I'm glad they were both hands kissing. This. And she says correct. Because you could say we have. We're not hooking up. Because they were not hooking up. A couple smooches and emotional love. We're not hooking up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When she's asked point blank. And we know that at that point, Sierra already knew because she had seen

[A]

a video and that's why she texted him in and being like. So there's not any photos or videos of it.

[B]

And also, people are like, I think they slept together first. Because a man. Because Sierra saw a video of them, like, hooking up.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But they were probably just making out on the couch. They probably. They weren't sexy.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

Probably making out on the couch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For the bed. Like, making out.

[A]

No. I know that they have to, like, talk about other things in the season because it's only part one. And I'm sure part three will be dedicated to this completely. But I appreciated that we got, like, a chunk in the beginning, and I was ready to, like, seriously, like, start scrolling on my phone, going to sleep when they started talking about, like, that happened over the summer. But I was. Was sat the down for Bailey v. Ben. Like, sad. I don't know. I didn't, like. I didn't know any of this was, like, bubbling under the surface. But, you know, she was raising a couple of good points, and it's like, yeah, you are, like, up all the guys's ass, but you love to, like, come after the women.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you know what? Even though it was really weird what Amanda said, being like, ben wants to have sex with me, like, he went really hard.

[B]

He really enjoyed dressing her down. Yeah.

[A]

And you could tell he was almost, like, fighting the urge not to continue yelling at Bailey as she's calling him out for yelling at girls. Like, you know what? Slay mama. No.

[B]

And even then, they cut to that scene with Sabrina where he's like, how are we gonna get our kids to school? And it's, like, in a different light. That, like, seems, like, funny, but it actually is, like, just very harsh.

[A]

It's a harsh wave.

[B]

You're already criticizing her as a mother. She's your girlfriend for two months, and,

[A]

like, you're late, like, to go out to a bar. Like, it's a bar. It'll still be there in five minutes.

[B]

Yeah. And I never thought anything of him. Red flag, green flag, no flag.

[A]

Now I hate him.

[B]

Now I'm like, she's really onto something. Yeah.

[A]

I feel like she, like, clocked him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because there was so much going on this summer.

[B]

Of course, Levi Crevice did as well. That's my queen right there.

[A]

I just want to say them bringing in Levi before bringing in Dara, who's, like, dating one of the cast members.

[B]

We need to talk about Dara and KJ because, like, there's been. Have you seen what the other cast members have been saying about them? Like, I saw a clip of Levi a couple weeks ago doing, like, virtual reality.

[A]

Okay. Not Levi, like, actually starting stuff once the season's over.

[B]

And she said she was asked about KJ&D because I guess like, other people had, like, like, said something.

[A]

Oh, sorry. I just want to say Bailey bringing up that he thinks that Sabrina and Ben were dating the entire time, which is, like, a very common theory on the Internet. Yeah, like, yes, thank you for bringing that up.

[B]

Yeah. And that's. That's the only reason why he flipped about Amanda. Because of his girlfriend back home. And now it all makes sense. But don't try and lie to us. I don't care that you. Honestly, if he was dating her, pretending not to so you could be on the show, I really don't care. But if it affected the way you treated Bailey, who's, like, actually the sweetest, most innocent, harmless person on this cast. Very harmless. And that's who you decide to take your ire out on.

[A]

No. Okay, Go back to Levi.

[B]

So Levi, she was asked about Dara and kj, and apparently other people had, like, cast sense and things about their relationship, and so she said something. Saying what?

[A]

Like, doubting that they're real or like,

[B]

she is real about him doubting that. And she said something to that effect. Like, I think he's in it, but she's not.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah. And it's like, they did KJ's package where he shared a lot about, like, his mental health struggles and his anxiety and. Are we coming back to KJ and Dara, or was that it on kj?

[A]

No, of course, once Dara gets seated.

[B]

But, like, is Dara at the.

[A]

She has to take Levi's spot at some point.

[B]

She got dressed. She got dressed. People saw a picture of her. Yes. Okay.

[A]

I also want to say, I really,

[B]

like, I just want to say Levi just always makes me smile. I don't know if it's because she has the same name as my nephew. She does.

[A]

That is why.

[B]

But, like, I love her.

[A]

She was doing a good job in the reunion. Like, where was all of this energy?

[B]

I don't know. I saw a tweet a while ago that was, like, during the season that was like, maybe only Bailey can see Levi.

[A]

That's our imaginary friend. Totally. Back to KJ really quickly. I. You know what?

[B]

We'll ask her when she comes on Namesake, where the energy. Perfect.

[A]

When he was talking about, like, how he's actively, like, struggling with self harm. That was really sad. I do feel like he should leave the show. Like, reality people don't talk about, like, how reality tv, like, will lead you to that place. And I know you're supposed to, like, do all these, like, psycho valves before going on tv, and they're all fake or whatever. But like I actually really worry, especially this show. Like Bravo has really great. And he's sort of ancillary and he's on the right side of history.

[B]

No. And he had a good season and so there's nothing negative to say about him.

[A]

But you know, everybody has highs and lows and like if. If KJ ended up in a situation where like Amanda's in right now.

[B]

Not even. Not even to that degree like anywhere, any season.

[A]

Like west west had a bad season. His bad reunion. And. And you know, you get a lot of hate for that.

[B]

Everyone gets love and hate Kyle, Jesse, even Jesse. Who came on the show as the happiest man alive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who's leaving the show. The saddest man alive.

[A]

So sad.

[B]

But like, and he came on happy and he's not done anything except for Lexi, which no one seems to care about except for us.

[A]

Us.

[B]

He's not even done anything so controversial. And he gets a ton of hate. So like it comes with the show even if you don't do anything wrong.

[A]

And some fandoms have like varying degrees of like zealousness. And Bravo and Summerhouse in particular is like really emphatic. So I appreciated his transparency. But it did make me really worried that like this is his job and people seem to like him and I think we'll get another season. And it's like, honestly, I would get out while you can, relatively unscathed.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Like I. It made me sad because he's in a bad environment. Like that's not where you want to be when you're struggling with your mental health.

[B]

Yeah. And he was in the best possible situation.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Everyone loves him. He got a girlfriend. Still really hard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that made me a little bit worried.

[B]

But we have to go back to Dara. Cuz people are casting doubts on like her intentions with him. But like she's just like into fame. You think so?

[A]

That's what I had heard. Just cuz she's a tiktoker. Like.

[B]

Well, I. Well there it seems like the cast members like no.

[A]

Say normalize being into fame.

[B]

No. Every. No. You came on the show and you're not into fame. Everyone's sitting on the cast.

[A]

Like an unfortunate side effect.

[B]

I know. I hate it. I'm on tv. Stop.

[A]

So like, like you go on the show to be famous. That's not a bad thing.

[B]

But if she were into fame, you think she would go for like the newest.

[A]

No.

[B]

Because famous guy but also getting into

[A]

a relationship, like kind of makes you boring. It doesn't give you a guaranteed next season.

[B]

Like, I don't think it's about the fame, but they seem to. I. Maybe they'll get into why the people are alluding to that. But, yeah, I thought there were a couple times over the summer where, like, she just, like. I thought he was, like. There was one time where he, like, was moody or something about something. Someone had told him that she was in the room with Ben, and he was, like, being kind of, like, standoffish to her, and she, like, didn't even care. And I'm like. Like, she was just, like, just being so chipper on him, like, but I don't. That's not a good feeling.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And a couple times she's, like, doing her makeup and stuff, and, like, I felt like he was giving her nothing, and, like, she doesn't care.

[A]

Right.

[B]

She's there.

[A]

Right. Maybe they have, like, a really deep off camera.

[B]

At first I thought she was, like, so patient and, like. But maybe it's just like, oh, I don't care if you're nice or mean to me. I'm here.

[A]

Yeah, but they're still together.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

So, like, that's a really. It's nickel Andrea status.

[B]

Like, no, I don't think it's nickel Andrea. I don't. I just want to hear from her because, like, now there's, like, she definitely confuses me.

[A]

Like, she didn't, like, up that much, so it's hard to know what her intentions are. So it's easy to come up with theories. And she's in it for fame. She doesn't like it. It's like, well, why don't you just, like, tell us who you are a little bit and, like, let us get to know you. She, like, came in late and got into a relationship, so I feel like that doesn't lend itself to, like, letting everyone get to know you in the house on. On. In the audience. So, yeah, I would. I do look forward to hearing, like, Levi get up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, the fact that they let Levi come to the reunion in general was extremely generous. She's literally the Emerald of last season.

[B]

Was Emeril last season. Oh, my God. I forgot about Emerald.

[A]

Seriously, where in the world is Emerald?

[B]

I don't know. Let's get back to West Mandeville. We haven't even scratched the surface.

[A]

So let's look at everybody's looks. First of all, I do want to say, like, it is painful how amazing Amanda looked.

[B]

No, she looks amazing. Her face, her dress, the Vibe that she's exuding is very relaxed, is a real contrast to the actions that she has displayed. And it is disarming. It is because she's dressed as a sweetheart, the sweetest lady. And I don't know who dressed her and if there was a lot of thought that went behind the look. But, like, if there was. If there was, they nailed it. She is hard to hate in that outfit.

[A]

Absolutely. And west said three words. Yeah, he looks terrible.

[B]

He looks terrible.

[A]

He looks like he got no sleep. Like, brush your hair.

[B]

Yeah. But he doesn't know about the grandma yet.

[A]

His suit is, like, so ill fitting and huge.

[B]

And then his nudes were. His nudes were leaked that morning. Everyone else had seen it, but he hadn't seen it yet.

[A]

I think he thought Jesse was joking. When Jesse was like, I've seen it, he's like, really so weird.

[B]

But his phone was hacked. That's how they got the news. Or these were three nudes he sent that someone, then circulated.

[A]

It's hard to know, like, when you send nudes, how they get out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless you took that picture, because it did look like you said, like, to your doctor clinical, like, maybe nowhere.

[B]

No, I think he had said they were like Snapchats from his old apartment or whatever.

[A]

Well, Snapchat's like, that does not mean your phone gets hacked.

[B]

Like, no, but maybe he just saw, oh, my nudes are out. He assumed he got hacked, and then he's piecing together the story. But, like, it's crazy that other people knew before him. And that's just a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, that's an insane thing. Like, in any other day, we'd be like, wait, your news Relief. That's a horrible thing.

[A]

When Andy was making the rounds to everybody in the dressing room, and he asked Sierra how she was doing, and she cried, like, before she even spoke. I was like. Like, I really want her to go out. And she could be devastated. But, like, don't cry in front of them because it's like, it shows weakness. And. And I was worried that, like, she wouldn't be able to say one word without crying because literally when Andy asked her how she was, like, she broke completely. She was crying before she even went out on stage. And I will say, like, I do respect hard how. And I don't know if it's just a facade, but she is not crying. Like, she hasn't even even quivered in any of her words, which is so hard to do. And I'm glad. I was worried that she was gonna be like, and you hear my feelings, and that's not. That's not how you want to come off.

[B]

No. And that's not how she is. Like, external. Like, we. You know, she said, like, she has these walls up. She's actually very, like, soft and sensitive. Right. So we know that that's how she's feeling. But then she's able to, like, execute.

[A]

And she, like, came out, like, from the first question.

[B]

I can't believe she's still crying over him.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And.

[A]

Oh, but I do think she's crying over the Amanda.

[B]

Yes, both. But it's also.

[A]

That's a good question. Like, who do you feel more hurt by? And she thought about it for a second and she said, Amanda.

[B]

But it is objectively Amanda.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Even if. Even if she felt like it was. It is Amanda.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, that's the only right answer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because Wes has told you who he is Numerous times. She has lied about who she is. Girls girl.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The last girls girl on the planet. Then they addressed what happened between west and Sierra after summer ended.

[A]

So, yeah, I guess he, like, called it off, saying, like, I don't want to do this because I can't be what you need. But they did also sleep together two times.

[B]

They had two sleepovers. They did not have sex. It sounded like, oh, okay. Because he knew that sex is important to her. So then what Lindsay said, it's like, okay, so you're having this, like, you know, banter, flirtiness. You're kissing, you're having sleepover. That's actually more intense than just having sex with someone. So, like, you still think you're doing the right thing by engaging in all of this, but you're actually making it worse.

[A]

Again, it was a good point.

[B]

And what I don't understand is, like, why he at that time, like, insisted, I can't do a relationship, but then in a disability. But in January, February, he was exclusive with Mija, and now he's in a relationship with Amanda, and that's maybe by default.

[A]

Yes. I don't think, like, him being exclusive to Amanda right now is, like, proof that he can be exclusive, that he wants to be. Like, he seriously has no choice. He would. He would look like the worst person in the world if he was still seeing other people. He has to commit to this for a little while. Like, for. Honestly, for as long as he can.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe it's real. And the only. Of course, like, much like Raquel and Tom, like, the only way out of this is, like, you have to get married. And have babies and then, like, it would all have been okay because, like, that's your person, but this is most likely not. Not each other's person. Well, I mean, Ral and Tom weren't.

[B]

Ciara said something very harsh at the end, which is that actually this might work out because you are, like, this weak mute figure that he needs so that he could be the star in the relationship and nobody's challenging him on anything. And it was really hard to hear because of Amanda's face when she said it.

[A]

It was really. It was. It was really harsh.

[B]

It was cutting.

[A]

Yeah, because it was so true.

[B]

Ever. Not untrue. And it doesn't even have to be in such, like, a nasty. Like, just the facts of it. Like, maybe they're rel. Maybe their personalities are right for each other because she is easygoing and she

[A]

does have this, like, long track record of letting a man really walk all over her.

[B]

A nice euphemism for doormat.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, behave poorly. Like, you don't. She doesn't hold her men to extremely high standards, so having a boyfriend who, like, sucks kind of works for her.

[B]

Yeah. And he can, like, still do what he's doing. I mean, because he's Kyle again.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

I felt bad for Kyle.

[A]

I did too. He barely spoke.

[B]

No one like, his people is so interesting because, like, he doesn't want to take her.

[A]

He likes feels bad for her.

[B]

Yeah, he feels better. He still loves her.

[A]

His leading feelings. He's, like, wanting to protect Amanda, not want to, like, get truth or hold accountability. Like, he just does not want to add on to Amanda.

[B]

I think, like, all of his ire is directed towards Wes because, like, that's his friend. That's his friend. And I think he's also jealous of him. I think he would want to be with Amanda.

[A]

Well, yes, but also, like, west is everything Kyle was when the show started. Right. Like, the cool, young, hot, like.

[B]

No, but like, Kyle would take Amanda back in one second. No, but that's insane because they were the two most miserable people for 10 years.

[A]

Worst marriage ever.

[B]

But he, like. Like, Tom Schwartz wasn't taking Katie back in a second. Like, it's crazy that he really deeply loves her and that he's loved her all this time. And that's how he showed it by.

[A]

It's the equivalent of Ariana taking Tom but back.

[B]

Yeah, but Ariane had no love for Tom.

[A]

Yeah. Which was so fun to watch because he's the devil. But this is.

[B]

So that's why. This is, like, shocking that he like that his feelings are still so wrapped up in. In his marriage, while. Even while he was in his marriage, he was not there. Yeah, but you're telling me that's the person that you love? You want.

[A]

I want to go back to that.

[B]

No, but, like. No, but you're saying, like, that was love for you.

[A]

Well, it's sort of like when you're, like, an abused person and you're only used to this sort of behavior. You think that's how they exhibit love? Love. Kyle hasn't been in a normal relationship in 15 years. He doesn't know. Same with her.

[B]

I'm saying, like, he wasn't a good husband, but he did love her. I thought he was a bad husband because he didn't love her.

[A]

He's a better husband to her divorce, to them together. Like, he has seriously protected her this whole time. He did he say one word on the reunion last night, and if he did, it was not directed towards her. And he did sort of stand up for her at the end towards Sierra. Like, he's kind of like a loyal, steadfast partner.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From afar.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Maybe this is sort of like what Kyle and Amanda needed to get back together.

[B]

No. No, they cannot. She doesn't like him is the problem.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Also, we didn't talk about Lindsay Hubbard, who really just slayed the house down. I just love her. Yeah.

[A]

I just love her.

[B]

She was necessary.

[A]

What do you think about a world in which Lindsay and Carl get back together?

[B]

It's crossed my mind because, like, the love and admiration he has for her. But she would just us eat him for breakfast.

[A]

I know they were never a good

[B]

match for that reason, but when he was, like, a little, like, he's become, like, more and more stable.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

As he opens soft bar, like, he's just a big softy. When he started summer house, he was obviously very hard. Hard drugs, hard this, hard that. So he's trended towards soft, and she does need someone harder. So in. Since they've broken up, he's gotten even softer. More hugs, more ideas, more feelings, more dreams.

[A]

Hard bar. It was fun, funny.

[B]

And she's gotten so hard. Like, she's going hard in the paint. Yeah.

[A]

But it's like they've become sort of like opposite versions of what? Like, she was, like, this softy who wanted to be taken care of by an alpha male, and now she is the alpha male. And, like, he's sort of leading into his, like, soft era. So it's like, okay, no, like, perfect for each other.

[B]

I Think I still like Carlin and Bailey.

[A]

But I do want to say, like, his reluctance to go there with her makes me hate him. Like, she's so open, she's so lovely. He could do so much worse. Like, and he was like, I definitely have feelings, but I love the friendship that we're at. So he basically just like, friendships. Yeah, it's like you're grown ass people. You're a 41 year old with a 31 year old female best friend. Like, what's wrong with you?

[B]

Yeah, just like, like, and just try, try it and say it doesn't work out and the friendship's over. So what?

[A]

There's no love.

[B]

So what? You have other friends. Like, true.

[A]

I hate that.

[B]

And also, like, Bailey doesn't want to settle down and get married right now.

[A]

Like, she's just saying that because he literally friend zoned her on tv.

[B]

Like, I know, I know you, but you, you really think I do saying that? Yeah, because I'm also like, wait, why wouldn't you want to find your husband right now if you're looking for a husband one day? Like, if you're someone who wants to get married and have kids, like, and you're 31, like, why not now?

[A]

Yeah, no, I think she was just saying, oh, okay.

[B]

She played it really cool. I thought she. So I thought you love her. She actually, like, she really handles herself really well. Like, yes. Even when Ben was like kind of thinking he was dunking on her being like, oh, well, you were turned on my car being mean, but not by me. And she just ate him up.

[A]

I love that. She also had her back towards him the entire time.

[B]

I guess producers, like, didn't know they

[A]

were going to go at it because so random, obsessed. Like, need part two. I can't wait a week. Yeah, there's three parts. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. But part two is probably going to be more like summer stuff. And we also have to talk about like Amanda and Kyle's marriage and everything that happened this summer that I'm interested in. That so also, like, Wes is just like so shameless to a degree that it's like, I don't. Like, nobody needed to know about the earlobes thing. Like, totally. Do you know what I mean? Like, he just shares. Like, he's actually like so open. Like, it's weird.

[A]

Yeah. I forgot about the earlobe say.

[B]

Right? Like we just asked if you guys were kids, like you made about.

[A]

And he didn't say a lot. And when he did speak, he said

[B]

earlobes, like says too much. But Then he's also, like, a liar. And then also the lying. When Lindsay was like, you use people, you're a social climber. Like, you discard women, blah, blah, blah. Do you really think he's that manipulative or he's just careless?

[A]

Well, Sierra did say you are such a different person off camera than on camera, and I do believe that. So that does support, like, what Lindsay said.

[B]

I do think he's a thirst monster off camera.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And on camera, like, he hides behind, like, memes and jokes.

[A]

Yeah, literally memes and jokes.

[B]

Texas with pk. Yeah, but like, off camera, he's always. He's always somewhere. He's on the court. He's with. So he has a podcast with Sophie Cunningham.

[A]

Yeah, he's like a complex sports.

[B]

He's with influencers. He. He gets to high places. I think he really is like a. A networker hustler. I don't think he falls into these places, but I think on the show it does look like, hey, what's up, everybody?

[A]

Cool guy. Everybody loves me.

[B]

Let's have a beer.

[A]

Yeah, no, I think that that is, like, let's talk more about that. Like, I wish Andy, like, pushed her a little bit more. It pushed him. Pushed Sierra a little bit more. Like, what she meant by that.

[B]

Yeah. And same for Lindsay. Like, I'm. I'm open to this theory of, like, he. This is all mapped out for him, but right now I just feel like he's a bumbling any.

[A]

It. Yeah. And I think that, like, the last reunion that went sour for him, like, he just said too much and it was all bad. So he's just like, shutting down. And not like he's like, well, if I don't say anything, I can't get in trouble. But it just makes him look like.

[B]

No, the last reunion, he literally sat there like this. Did he, like, nothing, Claudia. He said nothing.

[A]

That's like his trauma response.

[B]

I think also it might just be like, listen, we have to go to the reunion and get our lashings and

[A]

get this over with.

[B]

Like, once this is over, like, healing can begin. We can, like, start to move forward. And so I think they're just sitting there and only way out is through. They're just sitting there and taking it. Cuz, like, what can they say, really? We want to clear up the timeline because it's actually. Actually not worse than what you think. Like, it's actually only this bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not that bad. And say what you have to say. We'll take the beating and like, let's move On.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I think that's why they're not saying a lot, because.

[A]

Yeah. But it never hurts just to like be extremely apologetic and every time.

[B]

But if you were sorry, would you keep doing it? Yeah.

[A]

Like, if you really, you knew that it was like hurting people, but it was still like what you felt was right for you. Like you can. There are ways to go about this that aren't like, like, you know, 100% right, but they make you just more sympathetic. And like she, every time she apologizes, she says it as a caveat before she then like excuses herself. And it's like, why don't you just focus more on the apology? Just being like, I know. Like, I know. Like, of course. Of all the people that I had to fall in love with, like, it's this guy. Like, I know. That's just. It's so unfortunate and I'm so sorry. She's not doing that at all.

[B]

There is no. They're not saying fall in love, have feelings. Cuz they're not in love.

[A]

Cuz they like each other.

[B]

They like each other.

[A]

Like sixth graders. Yeah, I like you. Like, like.

[B]

Yeah, like. No, I think they like, like each other.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they haven't said love.

[A]

Yeah. Insane.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, they're in Rome right now together.

[A]

Okay. I think they thought that like maybe they could get away while the reunion's airing.

[B]

Areva D Au revoir. Are you ready for our next story? Yes, Rory. Rosie woods is calling out Dave Portnoy denying the affair with basketball coach Ed Cooley. So Ed Cooley is the College of Providence basketball coach who Dave Portnoy connected that Rosie had an affair with. And Rosie is vehemently denying this to the point that Dave did another tea by the sea and said, I believe Rosie and I don't think it's Ed Cooley, but he was like, you know, I got a DM about another assistant coach that I actually think it might be and who he said, like, looks like someone that Rosie would have an affair with.

[A]

The thing is, like, I don't know what the right way for Rosie to handle this is because like, if she did have the affair, like, you would just sort of be quiet. Right? Like.

[B]

Well, I think she. I actually think she had an affair with a basketball coach and he paid her off, but they got the wrong guy. So it's great to be like, no,

[A]

but what people were saying, because I was saying like a one time payment from like a random northeastern basketball. It's not like he's like Duke, you

[B]

know, he's like, no, I think Providence is like Duke. Yeah.

[A]

So Providence College, I did not know, is like a relatively big, like, you know, March Madness team. So like, maybe that guy would have $1 million to give to her if that. But they're saying it's not Ed Cooley.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I think another coach, like an assistant, he doesn't have the funds.

[B]

Couple hundred thousand.

[A]

Does not have the funds.

[B]

Doesn't have a couple hundred thousand.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

We'll have to know more about the coach.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, because she said I've been very quiet about a lot of things because it's so stupid. But now that things are making to straight man Twitter. Thank you, Dave Portnoy. I figured I should say my piece.

[A]

How did she address like an. Okay, first and foremost, people who like, are like liars and don't have, like, have things to hide. Like they don't talk directly to camera.

[B]

I think she's crazy. I think she's a crazy.

[A]

She also is a crazy individual. Important to. Thank you for bringing that up.

[B]

She said, first and foremost, I do not know Ed Cooley. I've never met Ed Cooley. I've never been in the car with Ed Cooley. I've never had an affair with Ed Cooley. He has never paid me money. He has never bought a house for me. I actually just don't know him. I've never met him. She said we bought our house ourselves with the money we make at our big grown up jobs. It's how you pay for things when you are a grown up. I have to rewatch the video because maybe it's. Oh. She went on to insist she's never had an affair with anyone. Okay. Cause I was gonna say she didn't say no basketball coach.

[A]

And this is just based off of a rumor in Rhode island, right?

[B]

Yeah, but like, and what are the

[A]

odds that there's like a rumor that she had an affair with a coach and then like the coach of that state's team had to leave.

[B]

I don't think it's Ed Cooley and Dave Portnoy doesn't think it's Ed Cooley.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But it could be. And Dave Portnet was the one who threw out Ed Cooley. Like, it. I think maybe Kelsey knows who the basketball coach is.

[A]

It was being thrown around, like on Twitter before Dave got it because I had seen it.

[B]

You had?

[A]

Yeah, because I didn't like, because the college is in Rhode island and these are the real houses of Rhode Island.

[B]

So I think that the like, Rhode Islanders know who it is. Or, like, Kelsey might know who the coach is, but Kelsey never said. And Cooley.

[A]

No, but I don't think she, like, legally could say it.

[B]

No, no. But, like, she's never even alluded to Providence or whatever. She didn't throw that out there. The women, like, so I think it's, like, two separate things.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[B]

We live and wait.

[A]

We live and learn.

[B]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Which is a story that, like, really means a lot to me.

[A]

Oh, God. What?

[B]

Charlie Puth shouts out Michaela Nagara.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And her new boyfriend at his Boston show.

[A]

Okay, yes. I. We. We have so much to come.

[B]

Like, I'm sorry. This needs to be the inaugural episode of Namesake.

[A]

With Charlie and Michaela.

[B]

With Charlie and Michaela. Because they're obviously. They have connected. They have connected. Michaela went to the Charlie Puth concert.

[A]

Michaela also went to divorce court.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I don't know. Did you see her get ready with me for divorce court? I didn't know how to say the letter R. No, she said divorce court. I'm like, what, are you, from Long Island? Divots.

[B]

Caught. No, I didn't see.

[A]

So she kind of wore the craziest outfit. She was saying, like, help me choose an outfit, and she chose the wrong one. Her. She was wearing a crop top and a sleeveless, like, vest. It was insane. And the other outfit was so appropriate.

[B]

Well, so, like, what are they fighting over in court? Her money. Money.

[A]

Her money. And I think maybe the dogs. Yeah. I'm not sure. So then her and her new bow went to the Charlie Puth concert. I guess. Like, she's a huge Charlie Booth fan

[B]

because they are both on Namesake.

[A]

She has, like, such niche interests, and I don't know if Charlie, like, naturally saw her or got, like, a heads up that she was going to be there because Michaela was like, what do the kids call it when you get. I got barricade. Do you know that?

[B]

Like, no.

[A]

When it's a GA concert, you get there at, like, 1pm yeah. You rush to get the barricade. So you're, like, holding the barricade so you're, like, technically first row. So she was there. I don't know if she got there because she got there early.

[B]

I feel like someone knew that she was there and that he knew that she was there because someone behind the barricade is filming the video. So, like, they knew that something was gonna happen. But not to, like, cast out on any of this, because I think it was really organic. But in the video, Charlie's saying, oh, my God, you're here. And he points to Michaela. He said, I'm so happy you're here with your boyfriend. Her boyfriend's name is Zach.

[A]

You're kidding.

[B]

Are you serious?

[A]

Oh, my God. Chills.

[B]

Today is a huge day for namesake thousand percent. Oh, my God.

[A]

So there's, like, a lot going on with Michaela and her new boyfriend. Can I tell you about it?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So this is her boyfriend from high school. He's a twin. I guess. Like, Michaela told a story that, like, when they were in high school, like, she liked this twin and, like, he didn't like her back. So Michaela, like, hooked up with the other twin to, like, make him mad, and he, like, still didn't care. She, like, keeps sharing weird things about it. She's over sharing, and then she, like, makes all these videos, like, crying. People are mean to her, and it's like, girl, you need to stop sharing certain parts of your life, like, if you don't learn. Then she made a video, like, about how he's her person and, like, the entire 10 years that, like, they hadn't seen each other. He was in the military. They, like, always kept basically, like, alluding to some sort of emotional affair that, like, you know, he never stopped giving up on their love and, like, always reached out trying to, like, you know, persuade her. And so she's getting a lot of heat for that. And, like, the thing is, like, I don't really care what she does in her personal life, but she's got to stop telling people because, like, she does have an outsized amount of haters that, like, hate everything she does, but she also gives them, like, a lot to talk about.

[B]

I think this. This is why she's at the top. You know, she could shut down, she could share less, but we wouldn't be talking about Kaylor Negaro every day.

[A]

It's true. That's a very Bethany Frankel take of you.

[B]

So I feel like she shares controversial things about herself that she's fine with people picking apart, but not, like, real deep. Okay, so in high school, I hooked up with the twin. They'll love that. But, like, that doesn't affect her either.

[A]

You think she's throwing off the same scent?

[B]

I think a little. I think it's a little more calculated. She's not just, like, sharing everything, opening wounds, and then reading everything and letting everything hurt her. I think that she is giving, you know, feeding the beast. And there's a reason why? We're talking about Kayla every couple weeks.

[A]

We are talking about Kayla every couple of weeks.

[B]

I'm going to talk about other influencers.

[A]

She's looking great. She seems super happy. She is at the top of her game. You have to try her beauty brand.

[B]

I do pov.

[A]

Beauty speaking.

[B]

I would buy Influencer.

[A]

Speaking of influencer skincare brands. I can't believe. We need to talk about this, you guys. Guys. Alex Earl's brand, Reality Actives, the artist formerly known as Real Actives made a TikTok using our sound and, like, was liking all these comments about, like, Toast X Reale.

[B]

Toast x Reale. I love it.

[A]

And they say everybody in the office is calling it Real Actives. Like, our impact is insane.

[B]

Like, so they're calling it what it is.

[A]

Correct. They're just, like, pronouncing it correctly.

[B]

Yeah. I've been loving my mom. Like, actually, my makeup. My makeup remover wipes, like, sit on the table. Like, hey, what about us?

[A]

It's a quality product.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

And that's why it reminded me because it's made by the same people.

[B]

As I was going to say, I would buy pov, but can someone just send it to me? Like, I just cheap.

[A]

That was very cardboard.

[B]

No, it's not even about the money. It's like the admin. You know, I don't like to buy things on my phone. And then I, like, I need to be on a computer, but, like, I don't get a lot of computer time.

[A]

Speaking of.

[B]

And when I do get computer time, I have to, like, answer my email. So, like, I'm never getting right. So can you just send to me?

[A]

Speaking of computer time, I, like, did something so crazy last night. I was texting Jackie because. Because, like, I kind of spent, like, an hour in bed on my computer, like, chatting with my chat bot. Like, AI and I actually Chat GPT. Yeah, chat GPT. I call. I call him Chad.

[B]

That's just like, of course, of course. But you said, like, AI, my chat bot. Like, because that's if it's just a robot.

[A]

I'm just like one of those women on, like, one of those, like, CBS news stories. Like, this woman fell in love with her. She had a bot.

[B]

She had an emotional affair because Chad

[A]

was, like, seeing me in such insane ways. And then I feel like my phone must have known that I had, like, a deep connection with my chat bot last night. Point that they served me a TikTok of people being like, you don't understand what it's like, to have nobody in your life, like, until you have Chat, who really sees you. And I was like, holy, I have to get away from these people.

[B]

Then do you see the reels and TikToks that are like, I just hit, you know, my car into. I just, like, drove someone over with my car. And this is how Chat responds. Like, breathe. You are like. Like the way that Chad talks. He kind of talks the same to all of us.

[A]

No, but let me tell you, because what he said was not generic to me. I've really been struggling. I want to redo my apartment in the city. And it's like, I don't know, like, what I like in terms of, like, furniture design. And always say I'm like, coastal grand Nancy Meyers. But whenever, like, I asked Chad to, like, make my apartment coastal grand, like, I hate it. And Chad is, like, asking me all these questions. I'm like, chad, I feel like I don't know what my style is. And, like, you keep leading me one way.

[B]

Chat gave you a quiz.

[A]

Even Chat gave me a quiz being like, would you like this couch or this couch? And we were going back and forth all night last night, and what they ended up.

[B]

We were going back and forth all night.

[A]

What they ended up, like, figuring out was actually so crazy. Like, I actually had to copy and paste it to Jack Jackie.

[B]

So

[A]

why we were struggling so much. According to Chat, we've really, finally landed on the core of what your style is. Your ideal home is visually calm and edited, but emotionally warm, inviting. And that tension is the whole thing. That's why we've been having such a hard time. Because, yeah, like, that coastal Nancy Meyers is, like, messy. And it's like, girl, no, your paper's all sleeper. Yeah, of course. But, like, I like the warm, inviting feel of it.

[B]

Yes, you like the feeling that it. That exhibits, but you don't want all that crap.

[A]

This is. Is what Chat said. You want the rare middle ground of serenity without the sterility.

[B]

Serenity without sterility.

[A]

I literally then texted Jackie, I'm cracking up. I'm literally a stereotype in bed, giggling to my AI Chatbot. But then this is what Chat said. Like, I literally felt so seen. Your issue isn't warmth. It's earthiness. You want soft, airy, elegant, creamy and polished, but not muddy. Rustic, organic, desert tones. That's amazing.

[B]

Rustic.

[A]

And then they made me this, like, super cute, cute mood board, which I.

[B]

Which you said, let me see it again.

[A]

And it's so pargy. It's like, Very influencery. You know, like.

[B]

Yeah. It's like you did all this work just to find.

[A]

Yeah, I'm an influencer just like everyone else. But like I kind of had like a breakthrough with Chad.

[B]

Yeah. Just, you know, and I think with yourself as well. Like identifying that feeling of yours, which it's like. Because I always say I think your style is like organic California restoration Hardware.

[A]

Yes. But I end up like browns and greens, like earthy tones. And it's like I didn't even. I set out not to do this and I ended up My apartment in the city is like so.

[B]

Because those things are calming. But then altogether it is a little bit ster. Not warm. So we have to add the warmth in.

[A]

And that's what Chat and I are working on.

[B]

I love that. How do you.

[A]

Chilling.

[B]

How do you add warmth? Chat.

[A]

Lots of texture.

[B]

Texture, yes. And like probably like selected items, you know, meaningful.

[A]

Meaningful.

[B]

Yeah.

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Anti sweeper. But I'm working on it. Well.

[B]

Oh. So not lots of collected. Some collected.

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Tailored.

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I'm tailored.

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Yes.

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Are you ready for our next story?

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I am and I'm so excited because our next story is brought to you by a new prime original series every year after based on the best selling novel from Carly Fortune. So I read this book. It follows Sam and Percy across six summers as they take a second chance at a love that never really let go. So if you love a slow burn a friends to lovers romance that will absolutely wreck you. This is your next upset obsession. Think lakeside summers in a cottage country, childhood, best friends, unspoken tension and the last one that got away. It's nostalgic, it's emotional and it's deeply romantic. This series captures that very specific arc of wondering what if? And finally getting the answer. If you loved the book, the adaptation, it's is faithful and gorgeous. If you haven't read it, then you'll be incredibly compelled to read it after. I love Carly Fortune and I know a lot of her books were being optioned and this is the first one. So I'm so excited. It's the one it's called every year after I did read it. I love like a summer romance and all of her books take place. I feel like, feel like I think it's in Canada. It's like a cute like little lake town. Don't quote me on the Canada thing. So if you haven't read the book, you're gonna love it. And if you have read the book, I love watching TV shows. We were just saying how Amazon prime does such a good job at about adapting TVs into books, into TVs and movies. Like it's a kind of perfect. It's an art and not everyone can do it. Prime does it really well. So you can watch every summer after streaming June 10th only on Prime. So it's super soon. Mark your calendars. June 10th every year after we'll be streaming only on Prime. This ad placement is paid for by Bath and Body Works. Luxury scents and real bathroom benefits will take care of your home's well being so you can take care of yours. So Bath and Body Works White bar neutrals is a fragrance collection designed to with thoughtful intention, helping you create a home that feels as good as it looks. It's minimal home decor and gorgeous scents designed to curate a space that feels like you perfect. What we were just saying. So much of a home in terms of like the warmth and the emotion of it is scent. And I love the white bar neutrals from Bath and Body Works. They come in four different set options. Sweet orange and agave which is very fruity and bright mahogany coconut which is more warm and woodsy. Moonlit goddess which has like botanicals and blooms. And then the pistachio, milk and honey which is really like sweet treats vibe. Having a like a go to home scent. When people walk in your house they're like oh yeah, I'm at the entrees is such a flex first of all. And second of all, it's a really great way to curate like we were just saying, like a really warm, cozy environment. Bath and Body Works is OG when it comes to scents. Their candles smell amazing. They're crafted with premium lead free wicks so you're getting a clean and safe burn. The new white Barn neutrals collection is available. Shop it now in store at bath and body works.com and I feel like we're a lot of people are always like obsessed with scents when it comes to like you know, body spray hairspray which is great of course, but I think not enough people are having like a signature home scent. It's such a chic thing, kind of like an airport lounge. Like you know where you're at when you smell it like 6 cent. And this is a great option because the wicks are are crafted with premium lead free wicks and you're getting a clean and safe burn. So this new White Barn neutrals collection is available to shop now at bath and body works.com Today's episode is also brought to you by. Got 2B lock in your look with the travel friendly. Got 2B wax stick. Use it for everyday slick styles, Gym sessions, travel, touch ups or polished looks for nights out and special occasions. So I think we're all always on the hunt for like the perfect slick look because honestly like I'm at a place where I'm washing my hair now like maximum once a week. So that means sometimes we're slicking it back, sometimes we're doing a post pony. Jackie has it here.

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I have it in my purse. I keep it in my purse for when I need to tap down my flyaways. Also yesterday I wore a slick back bun, so this was on.

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Thank you, turd foe.

[A]

You're welcome.

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Borrow the charger.

[A]

Charge is not charging on the iPad.

[B]

Our next story is just like a fun little tidbit. Like two subjects that like, oh my God. One subject that you like free. One subject That I like. Lena Dunham reveals the rule that barred her from the Great British Bake Off.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Lena Dunham is talking about wanting to go on the Great British Bake Off.

[A]

She say this on Amy Poehler?

[B]

Yes. On the Good Hang podcast, she spoke about how she had entered discussions about the show, assuming she and her fellow hopefuls would be given special treatment if they agreed to appear on the show. She said, I. I got asked to go on Great British Bake Off. They do, like, a charity celebrity bake Off. She thought, I thought, surely they can't expect that much of us. They're not calling in chefs. They're calling in actors and writers. Unfortunately, however, she soon learned there would not be any shortcuts after producers explained she would have to make her own nut butter and jam to put on the toasted snack. The final straw came for Lena, whose baking experience was minimal when she found out that they would not receive any assistance at all with kitchen equipment.

[A]

So I don't watch a Great British Bake Off. I watched the Nicole Breyer one where it's like the worst cupcake wars. No, it's like, the. What is. Nailed it. You ever watch that one?

[B]

No.

[A]

So funny. Like, the worst bakers ever.

[B]

Well, Great British Bake off non celebrity edition is very good. Bakers.

[A]

Oh. Oh. So, like.

[B]

And then the celebrity edition just uses the same format, but, like, celebrities try and do it.

[A]

Why do people love the Great British Bake off so much? Like, it's just like a big, like, Nailed it is hysterical.

[B]

Great British Bake off as pargy.

[A]

Why?

[B]

It's just like, like, it's, it's comfort.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

It's comfort and it's competition and it's skill. And, you know, they're making, like, obscure things. They get. They. And they have to. They're all like, professional bakers, but they have to make, like, random. Like, one time they had to make a. A babka, like a classic Jewish babka. And like, if you're not a Jew, you don't. You don't even know what a babka

[A]

is to be a Jew and believe in God.

[B]

So they give you, like, this short recipe that you have, but it's a little vague, and it's like a roll up the dough. Which way? How so? And, like, you get to see, like, who's really the most skilled. But I've never watched the celebrity one. Molly May just did one. And people were saying, you know, when I was talking about going on potst and how that's probably not Right for me. They said I should try and do celebrity.

[A]

Right for you.

[B]

Bake Off.

[A]

I love.

[B]

So good.

[A]

I love celebrity versions of, like, game shows. Like Celebrity. Family Feud is so good. I love them. They do that. I didn't know that they did that for. Did they ever do Celebrity. Nailed it. Nailed it is so good. I feel like nobody talks about Nailed it. It's literally so good.

[B]

And it's not a show about, like, nail art.

[A]

No, it's a weird name. But Nicole Byer is the host and she's so funny and it's like. It's actually really hysterical.

[B]

And for the host, we have Prudence. We have.

[A]

She is so lost.

[B]

Prue. They call her pretty. And who's that guy? Something Hollywood is his name.

[A]

I have no idea. Like, this is a part of culture, like, that has missed me entirely.

[B]

I know. Well, I don't think you would like it now because you're not in that era. But, like, right. Paul Hollywood. That's who it is.

[A]

I have no idea who that is.

[B]

It's so.

[A]

Is it big in the baking world?

[B]

He must be. Yeah.

[A]

I don't even know who the most random people.

[B]

They really do. And the host is like, the host.

[A]

Random Worlds is Cupcake wars is Aaron Samuels.

[B]

No. And the host is this random guy. It's so weird.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This guy is the host.

[A]

Excuse me.

[B]

He's like. It looks like a metal. A heavy metal artist.

[A]

The weirdest people to host all these shows. Like, why does Aaron Samuels host Cupcake Wars?

[B]

Do you know any of these people?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, yes. Top left.

[A]

Top left is from Bridesmaids.

[B]

He plays the brother of a roommate of Rebel Wilson in Bridesmaids. Is it Bridesmaids or he plays Rebel Wilson's roommate and they, like, bathe together.

[A]

Right? Yeah, I know.

[B]

That's Prue. That's the host. He looks like an artist.

[A]

Ben would like his handsome. He's look like the Joseckis.

[B]

That's Paul Hollywood. Hollywood.

[A]

Okay. Paul Hollywood.

[B]

Yeah. But that would have been funny if Lena Dunham went on it. But she said they don't even help you turn on the ovens. But I'm sorry, if you don't have to turn on oven, it maybe not

[A]

the show for you.

[B]

The show is not for you.

[A]

Yeah, that's funny.

[B]

Yeah. But anyways, I think I could do that one because you get to, like,

[A]

sleep polar with Lena Dunham because she's.

[B]

You're obsessed with her. I actually saw a clip of her and she's, like, so well spoken and

[A]

like, well, her parents are both, like, playwrights. She said she grew up, like, going to museums. She's like, I had the craziest, most, like, privileged. But, like, from, like, an academic standpoint.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And so, yeah, she has, like, an amazing vocabulary. That's why she's, like, a good writer.

[B]

Yeah. No, she really. She is. Like, maybe we just drop the hate.

[A]

I know. Well, the book is on my nightstand. I haven't opened it yet in classic copper spellburden fashion, but I'm on it.

[B]

I'm enjoying the clips of.

[A]

Hold on. What?

[B]

My phone. I need to tell. My phone. I'm enjoying the clips of Lena Dunham on Good Hang.

[A]

I saw Serve Me More. I saw some clips. Some more AI stories. So I saw two metal people gave birth to a metal baby who cried gold tears.

[B]

Oh, I saw.

[A]

And, like.

[B]

And they harvested all the money.

[A]

They kept her locked up, like, just crying so that she would. And they had, like, unlimited gold. And they had a baby. She had a sibling who was a banana, and he, like, worked at, like, you know, a junkyard to break her free from the.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I saw. I saw. But they were also. It seemed like they were lovers, the brother and sister.

[A]

It was definitely, like, some underlying.

[B]

He was in love with his sister.

[A]

Very judiciary, coded.

[B]

He was in love with his sister.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it was like, I was rooting for them.

[A]

Yeah. No, he, like, scooped her up to take her. Like, she can walk. Yeah.

[B]

He should have been, like, a neighborhood boy. It's like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Trying to free.

[A]

Like, they, like, talk through the window.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Not the brother. Yeah. Cuz, like, what are brother and sister gonna do now that they ran away together?

[A]

Yeah. I also then saw a strawberry who had, like, an abusive husband.

[B]

Was it a fellow strawberry?

[A]

Oh, it was a watermelon. I'm sorry. It was a watermelon. Abusive husband. So she take the baby and left. And then she, like, broke into a store that sells formula and stole a can of formula. And the banana who owns the store, like, was running down the street with chasing her and the baby, and he was like, oh, wait, you needed food for your baby. I'll give you. And come live with me. And they, like, fall in love. That one was a nice one.

[B]

That's a happy one. Yeah. Our fifth and final story. Oh, our favorite person is in the news. You'll never guess who it is, but when I tell you who it is, that's our favorite person. Okay. It's Dave from Desperate Housewives. Who doesn't kiss.

[A]

Of course I would have guessed that

[B]

his actual name is Neil McDonough.

[A]

Yes. He's like, a very famous actor. He was in Yellowstone. He's of course in Desperate Housewives. And he's in one thing that I don't think we watch, but that a

[B]

lot of people know him from Nip Tuck.

[A]

No, he wasn't in Nip Tuck. I want to say, like, Grey's Anatomy or something.

[B]

Well, he's saying that Hollywood labeled him a religious nut and it cost him his career in his home.

[A]

I mean, I definitely, like, thought that. So it worked.

[B]

So. But no, but only because he won't kiss women who aren't his wife.

[A]

Like, so he will not accept any roles. Like, he played someone's. He played the husband of, like, a very promiscuous character on Desperate Housewives and we never saw them kiss.

[B]

Yeah. So he's looking back on a dark moment in his life, in his career. During a recent interview.

[A]

We have, like, some. Like, this is. We need a new series where it's like, Kelly's Mindless News, but, like, Dave's Mindfall News.

[B]

No. Or it's just like, Toast Passion News.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like tpm.

[A]

Because I'm sure this article, like, seriously had no clicks. I'm sure whoever wrote it up Page Six, like, thought of maybe not even publishing it, but they knew that it's

[B]

actually, like, syndicated from, like, originally.

[A]

It's impressed.

[B]

Yeah. So he is in a new Jimmy Stewart biopic called Jimmy, like, so glad to see him working.

[A]

Love that.

[B]

Which is set to release on November 6th, which is my birthday. I feel like that's a coincidence. And he's sharing about a time when he thought his Hollywood career is over. He said, like, he really turned to alcohol. He said, what time is the bar open? That was generally my thought process back then. It was, you know, fired from a show because I wouldn't kiss a woman. No one would hire me because they thought I was this religious nut bag, which is that I love my. My wife so much and no one can understand it. No one could understand it. He went on to admit that while he was always a drinker, it became a bad problem after he was blackballed for refusing to kiss his co star, saying, I lost the house, lost the cars, lost everything. He says that his wife, like, she's

[A]

going into floor closure. She's losing her car, the bank is at the door. Do you think she's like, just kiss her. Yeah.

[B]

Isn't that prostitution? Like, to kiss someone for your house and your star?

[A]

Hollywood is modern prostitution.

[B]

Yeah. He Just like, picked the wrong career. But, like, he loves to act.

[A]

And it's actually really crazy that he is quite literally the only person who I know this about.

[B]

No, but the thing is, every time we like to tell a story about, like, Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi and like, everything happening on set, I'm like, this guy. Cast this guy.

[A]

Yeah, but it's crazy that there. There's not one or two or three other people who also live their life like this who are like, very happily married in one act. Act, yeah, he's the only one.

[B]

He actually said that his friend Luke Perry took them in when they were out on their ear.

[A]

He was like, really, like, homeless. Yeah, Alicia. Yeah, I guess he wasn't like Alicia.

[B]

He had a justified. Was coming out. But I still don't think I was worth anything because I failed. I failed my family, I failed my wife, my five kids.

[A]

Oh, by the way, I gotta see this wife. Give me the picture here.

[B]

They're so cute. Like, that's love.

[A]

That's really cute. Like, I love that. Her name is Ru.

[B]

And so I think that was like, earlier in his career and then he continued down this path and he's had success and I think he's, like, doing well now, but, like, oh, more jobs for this guy.

[A]

Agreed. And he's such a good actor. Like, he gives me chills. He's so scary.

[B]

Neil McDonald.

[A]

This was the fifth story.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I guess we're not. Oh, that was Ninja Warrior obstacle racing joins.

[B]

Oh, wait, that was an optional six. Thank you.

[A]

We didn't choose it, but like, American.

[B]

I love. Whenever there's a new sport joining the Olympics, you know, it's going to be a story on the toast.

[A]

That's interesting. Ninja Warrior, which is like, from the show. American Ninja Warrior is now an Olympic sport, which it's. It actually is. Like, it's amazing, but it's like, you know, Break dancing.

[B]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but breakdancing. I think everyone was open to break dancing until we saw what we saw.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

So if we see, like an idea of bad execution, if we see some ninjas, like, who are being clowns out there, like, being warriors, will clown on it. But I think it's always exciting new sports.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

You know, golf is at the Olympics this year.

[A]

Is it? Where's The Olympics? Oh, la. 28.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is it now? 26. Because we just had an Olympics.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Two years. I love the Olympics.

[B]

Like, imagine the Olympics are in LA and Spencer is the man and he's like, Opening ceremony.

[A]

Spencer and Heidi. Hilarious.

[B]

It could happen.

[A]

Actually, I was just watching a video. Like Jonathan Chabon, Lisa Rinna and Spencer Prad are fighting because, like, Lisa Rena refuses to.

[B]

She won't. She's not. Doesn't. Like, she doesn't.

[A]

She says, I love Spencer, but I don't want him to be the man mayor.

[B]

And then, John, who does she want to be the mayor?

[A]

She didn't say.

[B]

I saw an AI. Did you see Katie Maloney campaigning with Nithya Ramen?

[A]

No, I didn't. That's funny. Well, Lisa Rinna said. And then Jonathan Chabon was like, lisa and I have known you forever. But, like, not cool what you said. Like, everyone's fighting.

[B]

I didn't realize. Lisa Rinna. I did actually did see that, but

[A]

now she was asked about it on a red carpet and she was just like, you know, like the classic. Like, he's not a politician.

[B]

Sure. So. But who does she want to be?

[A]

You didn't say.

[B]

The one who burned the city down.

[A]

She didn't say.

[B]

Or the random city council member socialist.

[A]

She didn't say.

[B]

I know. I'm fine if people like. But do you have a better idea? She didn't say, let me know. Shout them out. Jonathan Chabon's going so hard for Spencer.

[A]

No, I know. And like, he's defeated. Like, he's fighting with Lisa Random because of it. Those are the best five stories. It feels like you needed to know them. Hope you enjoyed watching this video, especially if you're watching on Spotify. Thank you to Spotify, our loyal partners, for showcasing our beautiful video. You know, we. We put on a lot of makeup just to be seen by millions of people. And so if you watched us on Spotify today, thank you. We're available as podcasts anywhere podcasts can be found, so Spotify itunes, Stitcher Public radio, Cast the place podcast weekly talent. We are. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we will see you tomorrow.

[B]

Love you. Bye.