You're A TRAY-OR: Friday, February 27th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast – "You're A TRAY-OR"

Date: February 27, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Network: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

On this lively Friday edition of The Toast, Jackie and Claudia Oshry dive into everything from Instagram bios and pop culture news to streaming wars, celebrity updates, and an in-depth discussion of The Traitors season finale. The sisters combine playful banter with sharp commentary, creating an episode that celebrates the week's highs and roasts its lows—culminating in the fan-favorite Queenie & Weenie segment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Instagram Bios and the Art of Personal Branding

[00:25–02:16]

• Jackie and Claudia reminisce about their “toast-aversary” and crafting the perfect Instagram bio.
• Jackie considers changing her bio from “Gen Z’s big sister” to “Gen Z’s mother, the father figure we all need.”
• Claudia reveals her own bio journey, now quoting Chapel Roan: “your favorite podcaster’s favorite podcaster.”
• Playful musings on the importance (and struggle) of bio captions.

Notable Quote:

“Maybe I’ve graduated from being like Gen Z’s big sister to being like Gen Z’s mother, the father figure we all need.” — Jackie, [01:10]

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2. Quick Hits: Pop Culture Catch-Up

[02:28–06:17]

• Reactions to “Pug Caso’s” (actually Philip Phillips) Spice Girls cover: talent always wins.
• Introduction of the day’s “Fast Five”–the top stories the sisters recap.
• Lighthearted chat about restaurant date nights (“ten across the board if the service is quick!”), overheard couple drama, and family time with their sister Margo.

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3. Streaming Wars Shake-Up: Paramount and HBO

[20:14–25:54]

• Big business news as Netflix backs out of the Warner Bros. bidding, leaving Paramount to win.
• Discussion of the implications for HBO, Discovery+, and the ever-expanding Paramount empire.
• Debate on the future of streaming platforms and the cyclical nature of “streaming cable.”

Notable Quotes:

“Our descendants will really feel sorry for us the way that we lived. Like cavemen.” — Claudia, [25:10]
“Congrats to all of the people involved. …I’m excited for us because we then get to continue reporting on the saga of HBO.” — Jackie, [25:48, 25:54]

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4. Celebrity News: Pink’s Relationship Rumors & Faces New and Old

[26:19–30:51]

• Pink directly addresses breakup rumors with her husband—she debunks them, poking fun at the media’s priorities.
• The hosts critique tabloid culture and question journalistic integrity when unverified rumors are printed.
• Brief side topic: Jim Carrey looks “completely different” after a rare public appearance, sparking plastic surgery rumors and conspiracy chatter—though Claudia notes, “Do what you want with your face.”

Notable Quotes:

“This happens… somewhat frequently, where like, a thing is widely reported as confirmed, and it’s just not. Isn’t the whole point of journalism…” — Jackie, [28:01]

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5. New Music Hype (and Skepticism): Rihanna, Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga

[31:22–36:29]

• Rihanna teases studio time, but the sisters refuse to get excited: “I refuse to look stupid and get bamboo sold.”
• Praise for Bruno Mars’ new album; he “can’t release a bad song.”
• Discussion on the challenge for established artists: meeting sky-high expectations (see: Lady Gaga’s post-Artpop phase).

Notable Quotes:

“She probably rented a studio so she could take a picture and make it just bother people.” — Claudia on Rihanna, [33:14]
“She served face. She served looks. She’s the most beautiful woman ever. Like, I think the exposure for her was worth the embarrassment.” — Claudia on Maura (The Traitors), [52:59]

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6. Reality TV: The Bachelorette & Celebrity Docs

[36:33–40:38]

• Lana Del Rey’s ex-fiancé is set to appear on Taylor Frankie Paul’s season of The Bachelorette, sparking debate on contestants chasing fame.
• The sisters draw comparisons to infamous Bachelor Nation outcasts (e.g., Max Ehrich).
• Dive into celebrity documentaries, noting Demi Lovato’s tendency to document her personal transformations before the dust settles.

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7. The Actor Awards & Hollywood Rebranding

[40:51–45:53]

• The SAG Awards rebrand as The Actor Awards (presented by SAG-AFTRA), now streaming exclusively on Netflix.
• Kristell Bell chosen as host—praised for universal appeal.
• Anticipation for Hollywood glam on the red carpet and the impact of live event streaming.

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8. The Traitors Season Recap and Reunion Analysis

[46:00–61:35]

• [SPOILERS] Rob is crowned winner after a tense finale, with Maura’s missteps sealing his victory.
• Jackie expresses frustration at Maura: “All she had to do was make one decent decision for the last, like, three episodes.” [46:22]
• The sisters sympathize with Maura’s heartbreak over betrayal in a show that's “a mean prank.”
• Chat about the reunion’s lackluster tone after the emotional finale, the role of misogyny in gameplay, and critiques of casting choices—particularly the debate about Colton’s controversies vs. the treatment of other contestants.

Notable Moments:

“You saw like, the light go out of her eyes… I felt like this show was, like, a mean prank. Like, it was just devastating.” — Jackie, [47:52]
“It’s crazy that [Colton] has a new show coming after all this happened… This is the only type of behavior that a man could do.” — Claudia, [60:02]

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9. Queenie & Weenie Awards of the Week

[62:08–69:15]

Queenie: The Key Asylum Concept

• Jackie introduces the “Kia Asylum” meme—a TikTok/Twitter term about pop artists stuck between hits but not forgotten.
• Notable “inmates” & “escapees” named: Tori Kelly, Madison Beer, Charlie XCX, Sabrina Carpenter, Bebe Rexha, Ava Max, Normani, Zara Larsson, Dove Cameron, Khalid, Conan Gray, Jack Harlow, Lil Nas X, Tate McRae, and (honorary member) Katy Perry.
• Discussion includes the ephemeral nature of pop fame and how industry mechanisms can both propel and stall careers.

Notable Quotes:

“It’s not about a lack of talent. It’s about the industry just moving on…” — Jackie, [65:00]
“She thought dating a prime minister would get her out, but she just brought him in.” — Claudia on Katy Perry, [67:43]

Weenie: Jackie Herself

• Jackie self-nominates for “weenie of the week” after attempting to shield her husband Ben from Valentine’s Day embarrassment, only for the truth (he forgot flowers) to emerge.

“Big W on my forehead.” — Jackie, [68:58]

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On reunions:
  “I feel like everyone does reunions now and no one really knows how to do them except for Andy and Housewives.” — Claudia, [04:41]

• On streaming fatigue:
  “One day our ancestors will look back and be like, I can’t believe they had to do that.” — Claudia, [25:09]

• On celebrity gossip priorities:
  “Why don’t you report on the real news? Like, well, we can hold space for both.” — Jackie, [27:13]

• On pop culture cycles:
  “If you want to be a major pop diva, your music has to be for everyone, whether we know you or not.” — Claudia, [67:22]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro, Bios & Banter: [00:25–06:17]
• Streaming Wars Discussion: [20:14–25:54]
• Pink Rumor Debunk & Celebrity Faces: [26:19–30:51]
• Music News: Rihanna & Bruno: [31:22–36:29]
• Reality TV/Bachelorette: [36:33–40:38]
• Actor Awards Preview: [40:51–45:53]
• Traitors Finale Recap & Analysis: [46:00–61:35]
• Queenie & Weenie Segment: [62:08–69:15]

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Tone & Style

As always, Jackie and Claudia bring humor, warmth, sharp wit, and heart. Their playful teasing and sisterly dynamic propel both the light and serious moments, making each topic accessible and engaging—even to listeners less versed in pop culture or reality TV.

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Useful for:

• Keeping up on the latest in streaming, music, and reality TV news
• Pop culture commentary and meme explanations
• Reality competition show recaps and analysis
• Friday mood-setting with laughs and lively debate

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End of summary.

Transcript

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Good morning, girlies.

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It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show.

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The best five things you need to know.

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We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

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They sound amazing.

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Welcome back to the toast and happy Friday. That's right. Cause for celebration. And I've decided to celebrate by having a guest on the show. You know her, you love her. You know, mom to many. Mother to three. It's Jackie.

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Oh, that's so sweet. That's a cute Instagram bio for me.

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You know, when we had our six year toast aversary party, we like gave a speech and then we were like thanking, you know, everyone, like our partners and our families, and then we thanked each other. And I remember I had thought of the line before. I said, I forget exactly what I said. I have it on camera somewhere. I said, like, at the time it was mom of two.

[B]

Oh, two.

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Yeah, mom of two. Like mother to all or something. It was like really insightful.

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Wait, I love it. That's such a great Instagram bio for me. Maybe I've graduated from being like Gen Z's big sister to being like the

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Gen Z's mother, the father figure we all need.

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For sure.

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I love that.

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I think I have morphed. I will. That's a really cute bio. Like, like, what'd you say again? Mother.

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Mom of three. Mother to all.

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Okay.

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Mother to many something.

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Let me know what you guys think because of course you're going to be able to fine tune it better than I myself. By the way, the next time I'm posting a photo on Instagram, I'm posting it to my story first and saying,

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help me with this caption, with this

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caption, because it's just a slide all day.

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I. I don't know if I ever told everyone, like, where I landed on my personal Instagram bio journey, because I was like torturing everyone for like a week.

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Yeah, I felt like strong opinions loosely held.

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No. And then I changed it. And where I landed was something. Something I was really proud of, which was quoting my favorite artist, Chapel Roan, your favorite podcaster's favorite podcaster. Okay, I'm your favorite artist's favorite artist and I'm literally your favorite podcaster's favorite podcast.

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Oh, okay. I didn't realize that was Chapel definitely, like, knocks it a few points.

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You have to hate the player, but not the game.

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You know, I feel as though your bio should be like, Queen Corgi. No, like now and forever.

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I Did see Pug Caso's performance.

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What did he sing this time?

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From Spice Girls. Oh, okay.

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What do you sing?

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I actually don't remember what song it was, but it was the most amazing rendition. Philip Phillips is insanely talented.

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You feel like you would have said that if you didn't know that it was Philip Phillips. Like, when you still.

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Yeah, well, the thing is Anonymous Pug with ordinary. Like, it was bothering me how good his cover was. Like, yeah, talent reigns supreme. That's always been a philosophy, a core tenet here of the toast.

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Like, the cream rises, rises and does it does. Happy for Pug Castle that you finally turned a corner.

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I'm so excited for today ever.

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Pug Castle is. We have to have him on the toast when all.

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It's obviously Philip Phillips. Like, it's not even a question.

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Philip Phillips on the toast.

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Today's episode is so great because we have so many stories. The Trio finale. We throw away the season of Traders again.

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Do we have to wait till the end to recap Traders? Yes. It's like, the number one thing in my mind. Did you watch a reunion?

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So I did. And I want to go out on a limb and say, Traders is not a show that needs a reunion. I thought that it was. I didn't want to not watch the whole thing. They were bringing out tiers of people, right? I didn't wait for, like, the final tier. It was so unserious after the show was made. Like, the show, what I like about it's very dramatic. It's theatrical. We're burning coffins. And, like, it takes you a minute when it's over to be like, this

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is just a game.

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It's so serious.

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React like, do we love Rob? Do we hate Rob? Like, but I'm saying, regardless of wherever

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you landed, like, they just make it so serious. I think that they lock people. It's like, very much like a psychological experiment. You are cut off from the world, and then you go to the reunion, which was so unserious. I was like, it was such a. Like, an anticlimactic comedown. I don't know. I kind of like, I wish they released the reunion maybe next week. I did not like watching the reunion after the finale. It felt like, okay, so that was all, like, fake in a game. And it was so stupid.

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Why would I get invested so late? Like, I turned it off in the middle. It was like, 11:15. I didn't even know if you were watching it. And I was like, I have.

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Oh, 11:15. No, I didn't make it.

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I have to prioritize my mental health.

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I wanted to see more, talk to, you know, Sorry, we'll talk with the end.

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But also, it's crazy that they dropped the reunion right after the episode when, like, for Love island, they had the reunion two months after the episode. Like, ever heard of a week Peacock? Ever heard of just, like, one week?

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Not only that, like, if you had waited, like, literally one more week, like Johnny and Tara, two very important characters, could have joined. Not from Milan. Like, it was so janky.

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And then, like, I thought it was

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not the way they were introducing people. Like Colton sitting on a big couch but by himself. Like, it was so weird. Like, the layout.

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I feel like everyone does reunions now and no one really knows how to do them except for Andy and Housewives and this got that treatment. I was like, okay, good. Like a normal reunion. And honestly, I know I knock Andy, like, a lot and I like, you know, have a lot of shit to talk about him, but nobody does a reunion like him. And, like, I don't know what talent that is, but, like, it just is so smooth and the questions are answered and we get to the need to know information.

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I mean, he's done it so many times. He has that over other people.

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I don't know why. Like, no one else can do it. I know no one else can do it.

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You have.

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It's like something that will, like, die with him.

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You have to be, like, willing to, like, start stuff, but also totally affable and, like, have people open up to you also. You just can't. You have to have balls, like, to say some of these questions.

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You have to have seniority because you can have balls without seniors.

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It's like, who are you to ask me this?

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Yeah, like, relevant, right?

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Yeah, no, it's. It's an art. And he's mastered it completely.

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I. I don't know if we've seen a reunion. I. I can't even think of all the. Like, Ariana did Love island and it's just like, they keep bringing new people and he helps her with that. He.

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Remember he had to come in.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They also keep trying new people for the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

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It's hard, but there. I can't, like, judge Stassi on how she hosts a reunion because that was not a reunion. That was a Duncan's Refresher commercial.

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It was terrible.

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That was not a reunion. Agreed.

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100%.

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The art of the reunion, it's. It's going to be lost.

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I think people thought, like, Nick Viall was like too biased, which it's very hard not to be.

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I didn't watch Can't.

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Me neither. So we will do a full try as throwaway recap at the end. Is that going to be. That's going to be.

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Of course. Like, I'm literally going to be sitting on my hands the whole time.

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I know. We've got no business. We've got Queenie and Weenie. It's kind of like a big chunky day.

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Queen and wean.

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Queen and me. I'm so excited for my queen. I'm. I'm gonna introduce you to a. For the first time ever, I'm breaking boundaries. My Queenie is historic. My Queenie is not a person, place or thing. My Queenie is a concept.

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Okay. Air rights.

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No, similar, like very similar in its conceptualness.

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Okay.

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And it's a concept like you sort of need to know about.

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Okay. Like air rights.

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Much like air rights.

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Okay. I look forward to learning something life changing. Like air rights.

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Yeah.

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For all the buildings I'm buying and developing.

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And unfortunately, my weenie is someone in this room. Look around. I feel like Alan Cummings.

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I feel like it could only be me because, like, what are you gonna like, slam these? You'll see.

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You'll see. Everybody just stay tuned to the end of the episode for more murder. He's so crazy. And that last outfit, like, yeah, that's

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what this wind calls.

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No, but first of all, I lived for it. He looked like a background actor in jawbreaker. Like, insane. So not in theme with the rest of his outfits.

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Why didn't he host the reunion?

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Well, I actually appreciate that he did it. Like, he obviously can't.

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I don't want him to. But like, the show has a host. The host is good.

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I love that he didn't like. I can't explain it, like, don't.

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But he. And he would make it like all about him. Like, no offense to him.

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He's like a theatrical person. Yeah. It's not about Alan.

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Murder.

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Murder. So, yeah. Anything else you want to chit chat about?

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No. What was yesterday? We majed hard. We played Majesty Maj till like the club closed down.

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Literally till the break of so on.

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It was a good day for Maj. Like, everybody won.

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It was.

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Yeah, everyone won. I felt like, good. I had a cut. I played some new hand. I won some new hands.

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That's exciting.

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Once you like win a new hand, like, it's yours. Like, I can do that hand any time, any place.

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It's going down and you really should diversify the types of hands you do. Because once you like memorize the book, you become a more stop player. Yeah.

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So if you are fluent in every hand, the game is yours.

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Correct.

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My gameplay yesterday was on point. Was on point. I felt like Rob, let's.

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Let's just start the show so we can get to.

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Okay what we need to get. Nothing else that you like, want to share? I'm trying to think like we majed dinner. Ms. Margot's here.

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Had my date night.

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You had your date night?

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Let me tell you how bad I wanted to cancel.

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How was it? You like the restaurant?

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It was all great. And you know what? I love a restaurant that's quick. Like, I was so tired and like, we both were like, we can't cancel. We can't cancel. Like staying up past bedtime to go to dinner. We were like, we can't cancel. We can't cancel. We were so tired. And it was traders. Like, I just wanted to get in my cozy.

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Yeah.

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But we were like, we are doing this fudgeing date night and you're going to like it. And so we went and they sat us early. They dinner was literally under an hour. They had the fastest service ever. The food was delicious.

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Are you glad that you went tens, tens across when you were sitting there where you're like, I'm glad we did this?

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Yes. And actually I hadn't seen Ben all day. We had a lot to catch up with. I told him about mahjong and stuff with work and I got like, you know, and it was good. It was like, I understand why people do day night. I feel more connected.

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Oh, good.

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I was so tired and I was like wearing the same outfit and makeup that I put on at 9am I felt disgusting. But you know what? Day, night, date.

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Okay, good. I'm glad because sometimes, like when you go out, it's just like this. I shouldn't have done this. This was. I know my time. Like, I need those hours back. Traders, et cetera. Oh.

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And then like, you know, everywhere here, like, has Val the valet go.

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Has valet.

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There was this couple fighting so badly. Like this older couple in like whispers, you know. But I was standing right next to them. It was probably the best part of the night, like, living. She was so mean.

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What was the problem?

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Something about real estate. Like, he must have made a mistake. And she was like, and now we have to list it for a million more or something like, drama. I know. She was so fucking scary. And I'm like, I just knew she was right, you know? And he Was just like withering away, like coming into himself and I'm like, keep going girl.

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Go get him.

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I just knew, like I just knew.

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Wow. Yeah. Okay, well, happy for you guys. What I was saying, Ms. Margo's here. Do you know that?

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Yeah, we're spending the weekend with our little sis.

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Sat. She came to my house last night. That's also why I had to start traders late. Cuz she came at like 8:30 and

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a good host to put out a

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spread and I like needed to see my little sister and catch up with her.

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And how was our little sister?

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She was adorable.

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You say anything about me?

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Not a word. We most tracks. We mostly asked about her, you know.

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And how is she?

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She's good. And I think she's like excited to be here with her family. You think? I do. I think she's craving family. Like like the little girl at Mr. C. Time for her sisters.

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All you need is family.

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She loves her sisters and her family and that's just like what she needs right now.

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Fun fact, Tommy. I never need my family. Cuz I'm always with my family.

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Because you desperately need them.

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No, I don't. Because I'm with.

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But you are with.

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You can't crave something you have. You know, I feel like you. It's not beautiful because you can't lose something you never fist.

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It's beautiful.

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It is. Once again not respecting my calls. I'm so used to it at this point.

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Ugh.

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I saw this like scathing expose on Ballerina Farm this morning on Tick Tock. It was so frustrating.

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What's the tea like?

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They found her like I guess Ballerina Farm started as a blog which was very much like an innermost diary of her thoughts at a very crucial time in her life. She had just left New York. She just left Juilliard. She got married, she had kids young. They were living in Brazil and she was just writing a lot. How about like in the early days of motherhood? A lot of times she just feels like a cow and a counter cleaner. And you know, it's crazy how much has changed in her life being like, look, they tore her dreams from her. She can't be a ballerina. And it's like, no, that's just like calling a mom. Like it was really not. It was not that deep.

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It's just, you know, called life changes. No, it's called growing up. Like, yeah, no.

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And very tough choices to make as

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a woman and juggling the person you were with the person you're becoming. And yeah, you have to make sacrifices. It's hard. It's hard. It's the hardest job in the world.

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Yeah. I was pleased to see the comment section was, like, pretty much on my side just being like, we have to stop seeing her as, like, this perpetual victim. Like, she does have agency over her own life.

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She does.

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She's okay not being a ballerina, like, because she's a grown woman now. Mom of. You know, no one, like, eight.

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Ballerinas have to grow up.

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Ballerinas grow up too.

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You know what I mean? You can't be a ballerina forever.

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I don't know that Misty Copeland. She is ballerina. She's crushing it.

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Like, she's always one Misty Copeland.

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So true.

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Thousands of ballerinas who had to give up the dream, and only one Misty Copeland. She is actually, I would say she's probably the second most famous ballerina right now.

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Yeah. But not. But not for her dancing.

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No. She could start dancing on Instagram if she wanted to.

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We would love it.

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She was, like, doing twirls around the farm. She does literally do whatever she wants. The. The world's a stage.

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She literally has a stage, like, on her compound and on her Instagram. If we had a compound, we would obviously have, like, multiple dwellings. Right. Our main home. We would have, of course, a state of the art podcast studio. I would like, like, maybe like a recording studio, like, for music. Of course. We'd have a garden. Like, what other dwellings would we have? She has a. A ballet studio.

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Right. So there she is.

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Right?

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What her dream?

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What dwellings would you wish for on our compound? Oh, I feel like you need, like, a crafts room where you could just, like, do all your.

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Like, Craig has you.

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Also we would need a test kitchen, of course, for Ben.

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Oh, yeah, we need a studio kitchen for Ben. You know, people have, like, a gift wrapping room. Oh, we need a game room.

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Yeah, like a ribbon. Oh, we need a game mansion. Like, I need multiple rooms.

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Yeah, we need a game house. And then one house in that. One room in that house is for Maj.

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Right.

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Because I don't want, like, people with their other games, like, get out of here, smelly old game cabin. But yeah, people have, like, gift wrapping rooms in their house. Like, how many gifts are you wrapping?

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Yeah, I know. And I'm not, like, a huge gift giver. And when I am, it's like, I'm not wrapping it either. Unless you're going to, like, kids parties. Kids parties. I feel like you have to rap.

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Yeah, you do. But it's like, let's kids party gifts. It's like everyone just ran out to CVS and bought someone a piece of crap. And it's like, I didn't need, I don't need it.

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I do feel like kids parties. Like also you save all the gifts

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and then you got, you give them to other people. Like when someone doesn't give me a gift for a kids party, I, I don't know, I don't, I don't notice it. Like it doesn't bother me and I hope that I'm extended that same grace. Like karmically, if I ever arrived to a party and I, and I didn't

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bring a gift, I think that in my future I will be doing gift lists like, please don't bring gifts.

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I went to a party recently and on the invitation it said, please don't bring gifts.

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Just what I need, more crap in my house.

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And I was like that. Such a slay.

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In lieu of gifts, please make a donation to the Mark Shenwin or Holocaust education gifts.

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Just show up and have a good time.

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Yeah, have a bagel.

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Like we didn't need like a 20 piece of junk.

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I agree. I agree. No, my birthday parties for me and all my children will be like gift free. And not because I'm like, you know, waste management queen. I don't want crap in my house, my garage.

[B]

Like, it's just so much stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I do not want a little something special. You go to the trove, you got a trove.

[A]

Well, you can have a trove.

[B]

I have a trove right now.

[A]

A trove away vote a trove.

[B]

But yeah, like, give yourself grace. If you showed up to the kids party without a gift, like, I don't think anyone's remembering that. I'm certainly not.

[A]

I do think we should dive in. We have so much to cover. Like, let's just.

[B]

We were gonna do that and that

[A]

was 10 minutes ago. Yeah.

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Thank you, Turt.

[A]

You're welcome.

[B]

Our first story is some major biz news and ongoing story. As a major development.

[A]

Forgot about this story. I just want to say we were talking about it every day for a

[B]

week as Netflix backs out of the Warner Brothers bidding and Paramount is set to win the bid. So in a stunning twist, Netflix's CEO says the major studio was always nice to have at the right price, not a must have at any price. As Paramount continues to increase their bid. It went into the hundreds of billions of dollars and Netflix has officially bowed out, which leaves Paramount the last man standing to acquire Warner Brothers Discovery.

[A]

Hbo. It was like, so an underdog, right? I feel like when we were talking about it, like, the deal was already moving forward. I feel like these are the types of deals that have to be, like, approved by the government. So they were moving forward.

[B]

And Paramount was sent out an email to their subscribers.

[A]

Yeah, I got an email from Netflix being like, welco, welcome, hbo. That was. They really got ahead of themselves. And based on what I had read, like, the Paramount deal financially, like, was better from the very beginning. So I wasn't sure why they didn't get it. And then there was like, back and forth for like a week or two. And then I never heard. So I actually thought about it the other day. I'm like, oh, I guess they just got it. We never got sort of like a summation of the whole thing. And I guess the streaming wars are, like, very much back on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because now they're like a conglomerate in the making. Paramount, they have MTV, CBS, VH1, now they have HBO, Viacom. Yeah. So I guess we're right.

[B]

HBO, discovery, discovery. Discovery plus. Bring back discovery plus.

[A]

Oh, you know, discovery plus is very much alive and well. Every time we talk about the streaming wars, we're like. And then remember, Discovery Plus? They literally keep leaving comments on our Instagram being like, hey, we're still here. I'M like, oh, okay.

[B]

Bring it back, you guys. We miss you.

[A]

Well, I guess they're now going to be folded into Paramount plus and HBO

[B]

will be folded into Power Man. Plus, I feel like they need a new name to, like, they need a.

[A]

Just a fresh.

[B]

A fresh name that's not tied to, like, any one of these players.

[A]

And I'm feeling like, I don't know when the last time I renewed my Paramount plus it was probably for Yellowstone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I have a feeling I'm going to need that again because a lot of my HBO shows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Seems like they might be there or they're going to keep them separate. I have no idea. I think one HBO Max just, like, can't go through another app. Like, we're on our fourth Apple. Yeah. But I think they are about to go through another one and has to be their final destination.

[B]

They're struggling with their identity and you have to give them space.

[A]

It's true. It's true.

[B]

Understand who they are, right? And what now they've just been adopted by Paramount, so maybe they don't have to make these hard decisions anymore because they obviously couldn't handle it.

[A]

Well, congrats. I feel like this is a true underdog story.

[B]

It is, but it's also like the, the richest company want, like the one willing to pay the big bucks. The money was green. And also at a certain point, I guess, like, like, HBO wanted to. Warner Brothers wanted to go with like, Netflix. They're like, a little swankier than Paramount, of course, being like the Netflix family. But at a certain point, they can't not take the, the most money deal because, like, for their shareholders, like, well, the money is green.

[A]

Right. When you're a publicly traded company, you legally have to take the best financial offer. So that's why it got so.

[B]

And then became dicey.

[A]

Yes, Hostile take.

[B]

There was hostility.

[A]

So, like, for Netflix, like, yeah, it would have been nice to have all these HBO shows, but Netflix is so far above all the other streamers in terms of subscribers. I think they're like, like, like crawling towards 300 million users. And everybody else is like, barely has 100 million. So for them, like, yes, it would have been nice. They didn't need to pay an insane price for it. And that's what the CEO's saying, and he's right for that. Whereas Paramount, like, they were very much like, on the precipice of dropping out of the streaming wars. Like, I don't know anybody who, like, actively watches Paramount.

[B]

Plus now it's game on now it's game on. I like it on their big, you know, this is great for the.

[A]

The consumer wins. Yep.

[B]

You know, everybody's trying to be better and hopefully have better content. Lower prices and impress me, lower prices. What? Auntied.

[A]

If Netflix had gotten hbo, like, they could have raised their price and, like, literally nobody could have done anything about it.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

So I feel like now there's three biggies. Right? Netflix, which has everything. Hulu, Disney, abc, espn. They're pretty good. And Paramount and hbo. Now Warner Brothers, whatever you want to call it.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like we're forgetting a peacock.

[A]

Yeah, we are in the world peacock. It actually is like, somewhere in the world, they do a pretty good job.

[B]

And like, YouTube TV, that's cable.

[A]

That's not a. Like, that's old.

[B]

Not cable.

[A]

But they don't create original content on YouTube TV. They're just, like, streaming all the shit you can find on Netflix and everything.

[B]

Okay. But, like, I don't know. They're doing something. Yeah.

[A]

I don't. I don't know where. YouTube TV. I can't think like that. I don't know. I know, but I don't know.

[B]

It's not cable. It feels like cable. It's like digital cable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. Everyone, at a certain point, they all need to get together. And the way that we're living right now is it's not sustainable. And, you know, eventually I think they'll all come together and. And have channels and like, a TV cable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But. Yeah, the bifurcation of our streaming of

[A]

media is actually crazy.

[B]

The way we live, going from app to app and getting, like, logged out in the different households. Like, one day our ancestors will look

[A]

back and be like, I can't believe

[B]

they had to do that. Our descendants will really feel sorry for us the way that we lived. Like cavemen.

[A]

It's so true.

[B]

It's the way we feel about the cave cavemen.

[A]

It's insane what we do. It's insane.

[B]

Like, I can't watch the next season of JFK because the next episode. Why? Because I'm locked out because of my household.

[A]

It also hasn't come out yet.

[B]

Or it came out. Like, I'm still waiting. Like, I'm one behind. Oh, I just. Like, I still have to watch that.

[A]

Oh, you still have one more episode. I'm cracking up, but I'm gonna have to.

[B]

Maybe I'll watch it next year. Okay. No, I'll. I guess I'll put down roots at Hulu, but I just hate to, like, give them exactly what they asked for.

[A]

Yeah. I hate when they're like, tax.

[B]

They're like, bad behavior is rewarded.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Anyways, that's the latest biz news. Congrats to all of the people involved.

[A]

I'm excited for us because we do then get to continue reporting on, like, the saga of hbo. Hbo. Hbo. Go HBO now. Hbo Max. Max. Hbo Max. Paramount. Question mark. Like, I'm excited.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's great stuff. Great stuff. Are you ready for our next story? Some odd news. Pink is making news as she denies her breakup from her husband in a new video.

[A]

So Pink hopped on to say she

[B]

made a video on Instagram saying, I was just alerted to the fact that I'm separated from my husband.

[A]

Well, there was like, a Us Weekly reported that she was getting separated, and then like, an hour later, she releases it.

[B]

She said, I didn't know. She said her children were also unaware about the split. She said, would you also like to tell our children before saying that there's real news to be discussed?

[A]

I love when celebrities bring up the real news. Like. Like, I like that. She tackled this rumor head on. They're not getting separated.

[B]

You feel that?

[A]

Yeah. She said this is fake news.

[B]

Yes, she did say. She did say.

[A]

It was a weird response, especially because she, like, doesn't really respond. Like, she's not that type of celebrity. It's just like such a. Like a trope of like, why don't you report on real news?

[B]

Like, right.

[A]

It's like, well, we do. And we also want to report on this. Like, it's okay.

[B]

It's Us Weekly. Like, they're not gonna.

[A]

You want them to go in on the Epstein bios? Like, please.

[B]

And there are like, it's. It's the Internet, so there's unlimited capacity for articles. They could write about both things.

[A]

It's just like. It's almost like a stereotype. Like, woke woman celebrity being like, why don't you report on the real news? It's like, well, we can hold space for both.

[B]

Yeah. And it's Us Weekly. So she's not getting separated.

[A]

I think that's cause for celebrity.

[B]

That is good news. And she also said, do you want to maybe talk about the fact that I got nominated the first year I

[A]

was eligible for the Rock and Roll

[B]

motherfucking hall of Fame? Do you want to talk about my accomplishments?

[A]

We did. We spoke about them yesterday.

[B]

And I just want to say, like, we did. We did. And we want to.

[A]

And I didn't realize it was the first time you were eligible, like, slay mama, Sl. Say no one's more deserving.

[B]

And again, like, they could talk about that and, like, this rumor. But also, like, don't poke. Like, to Us Weekly, this isn't true. So why'd you say it? Where did you get that from?

[A]

This opens a lot. This happens, actually, not a lot, but somewhat frequently where, like, a thing is widely reported as confirmed, and it's just not. And I feel like, isn't the whole point of journalism, like.

[B]

Yeah, so that's why I'm like, well, why'd you say it? And I. I just need to understand, like, where did you hear that? Not to say that it's true, but, like, journalistic integrity. You need to now, like, take it back, issue a correction.

[A]

Yeah, I bet there's an update at the bottom of this article. It's like Pink is getting separated. This whole article about her and her man are getting separated. At the very bottom, it says, update as of Thursday at 6pm Pink says she's not separated. It's like, okay, well, thanks for the article.

[B]

Yeah, I. I, like, want to see if they have mentioned it. It.

[A]

It's, like, awkward.

[B]

Yeah, it is. Like, that's not cool.

[A]

No, it's not.

[B]

So, yeah, Pink and Carrie are going strong, tj.

[A]

Like, forget about them. They're a strong couple.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You see Jim Carrey.

[B]

No.

[A]

He made an appearance at, like, an event in Europe. I mean, you know, Jim Carrey doesn't really make appearances. And he has a new face. Like, a completely new face. And people are freaking out about it because they're, like, convinced it's, like, kind of Avril Lavigne and Melissa. You know, they think it's not him.

[B]

It's not him. It's.

[A]

It. It actually, like, almost looks nothing like him. It's insane. If it weren't for his, like, like, really remarkable smile at every other part of him. He has long hair. If you're looking for it, he's, like, on a red carpet. Do you see?

[B]

I think so. I just gave my dad at a friend's 24 in order to see this

[A]

photo, and you can't even see it.

[B]

I see one photo. Like, I do, but it is Jim Carrey to me. No, it's like hello magazine. It's.

[A]

That's not it.

[B]

That's not it. Okay. That's him on the stage.

[A]

Let me see.

[B]

Like, this is the night that you're talking about. The night of night.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

He looks.

[A]

And like, a video, like, where you could see his face moving. Like, did he get a facelift or was he abducted by aliens? Like, people are freaking. Conspiracy theorists are running wild with this.

[B]

Okay, everyone, like, keep it in your pants. Like, just like, he just went to Steve Levine. Breathe. But I don't even think he had a facelift. He doesn't look like he has a younger.

[A]

Hella different. No, he doesn't look younger. That's true.

[B]

Right? Like, he's different.

[A]

It's just insane that, like, Jim. He looks so different.

[B]

Sorry. Like, Jim Carrey did not get a facelift. He would never.

[A]

But Jim Carrey did something, and I

[B]

think this is about, like, cosmetics.

[A]

What do you think? He's, like, sick.

[B]

Like, it's something else.

[A]

Okay, well, now I'll just shut up.

[B]

Yeah, like, everyone loves to do that. I don't talk about people's face. Face is changing. I don't.

[A]

No, she doesn't talk about it on camera.

[B]

No, I really don't. Unless. Unless it's really changed. But, like, I don't know. I just, like, I don't care.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

Like, do whatever you want.

[A]

You're being, like, so pink right now.

[B]

You're so holier now. Yeah, you are. Talk about, like, the famine. I'm just saying the famine. I'm not saying it's because, like, there's other things. I'm just like. Because it's actually worse than that.

[A]

Your personal interest level said, I don't care.

[B]

Like, do what you. It's your face. You have one. Do whatever you want with it.

[A]

Like, is it crazy when a man does it? I guess I actually wouldn't call it.

[B]

No, it's not crazy when a man says, it's just you. Everyone feels like they can say something when a man does it. They finally can, like, let it out of their pants, because you can when a woman does it.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

It's true. They get all excited. We could talk about it.

[A]

Look at me. I'm excited.

[B]

You're titillated. Yeah, so.

[A]

So I guess you didn't choose that as a story.

[B]

Cool. No, I know new faces are, like, rarely. Unless it's like, a. For the positive, you know, like. Like Steve Levine going on, like, a world tour because, like, he's done fantastic things.

[A]

He has done fantastic things.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story? Funny story. Rihanna's teasing new music in the studio.

[A]

Oh, girl, get out of here.

[B]

She posted a video of her in this.

[A]

Like, you don't care about people's new faces. I don't care about stories, like this, like, because I refuse to get bamboo sold. I refuse to look stupid.

[B]

Speaking of new music, though, Brute didoo put out his new album today.

[A]

Oh, did he? I have to check it out.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

Bruno Mars is incapable of releasing music that's bad.

[B]

And he's just, like, in the studio, like, letting it rip. Like, the songs, I don't even know if they follow. Like, typical song structure of, like, chorus, verse. It's just like, Bruno riffin.

[A]

I don't feel like he's actually in the studio. I feel like he's in the casino basement. Riffin.

[B]

Yeah. From his cell.

[A]

Yeah. And that's why the music is so good, because he's, you know, motivated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's singing for his freedom depends on it, you know?

[B]

Yeah. It's really good. The beats and that's the music I've been craving recently is, like, soulful. I would say, like, soulful. Like Teddy swims. Like, oh, I just discovered funeral by 20s funeral. Me driving. So, yeah, Bruno did it again.

[A]

But Rihanna.

[B]

But Rihanna just, you know, she's teasing that she's in the studio, but, like, she's probably singing a song for a new ad.

[A]

She probably, like, picking up asap. Rocky.

[B]

No, she's probably doing one song for, like, animated movie. She, like.

[A]

And we have this conversation annually. I hate to repeat myself, but, like, I'm not waiting for Riri 9. Is that what it is? I'm just not.

[B]

I don't think it's ever coming. And at this point, I don't think that it can because nothing that she

[A]

puts out well, like, because of the

[B]

anticipation, could reach the hype.

[A]

It's true. She's almost in, like, a terrible position,

[B]

but an amazing one because she's a mother of three and she loves her life and a billionaire, and she is, like, love and family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the things that really matter. And she's, like, laughing at everyone who, like, she probably literally rented a studio

[A]

so she could take a picture and

[B]

make it just bother people.

[A]

Yeah. I'm not waiting. So I just want to say I'm okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I will be okay.

[B]

Yeah, I will be okay as well. I'm. I'm no longer waiting. And I. You know, you can listen to the

[A]

hits four, five seconds from wild. That's literally one of the best songs ever.

[B]

I actually feel like the most we would get from her right now is, like, a collab. Like, she loves to be a feature on a song.

[A]

Low lift.

[B]

And maybe if someone else came to her with. With, like, an amazing Song, like, she would lend her voice, but she's not gonna put herself out there like that.

[A]

Who would in this climate if you

[B]

don't have to, like, to do a whole album? Like, everyone is so mean, so true. And they'll start talking about your face and, like, just never ending.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like, I feel like Lady Gaga always puts, like, every album is just like, a piece of her soul on the table, and then everyone's like, this is bad.

[A]

It must be so for someone like Lady Gaga, like, emotionally taxing, because. Yeah, so she is her art. Her art is her. Like, she is Gaga. Gaga is Stephanie. Like, it's so ingrained in who she is. And I feel like there is always, like, a lot of hype and all of her albums are successes, but not in, like, the, you know, culture shattering type of way. And it must be, like, devastating to, like, constantly be going through that and just for people to be like, I don't like it as much as dance, Dance, just dance. It's like, okay.

[B]

And I just feel like she's never emotionally recovered from art pop.

[A]

Oh, that's funny. I don't feel like she's ever emotionally recovered from Joanne.

[B]

I feel like an art pop wasn't even bad. It was just like, nothing could really follow up.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh.

[B]

And I guess Born this Way followed up, but, like, art pop just didn't do what she wanted it to do. And. And. And I feel like that feeling has just, like, clouded, sort of like Taylor and Rep. Yeah.

[A]

But Reputation was received very well, but

[B]

it, like, didn't get nominated in the way that she wanted.

[A]

Well, so how are we measuring success? Because, like, Taylor, up until that point, Reputation, like, was her most sold album, so it didn't have the Grammy recognition. But I think culturally, it, like, it freed her from the prison she, like, her and Kanye put themselves in. Like, I think. I think Joanne was that for Lady Gaga because up until that point, she was always like, you know, extravagant meat. And it's like, you don't know the real me. And then she was like, here's a real me. Here's a song about my aunt, you know, and nobody cared. When I tell you nobody moved.

[B]

I feel like she was hardened by art pop, which was meant to be, like, the next. Next pop album, and it wasn't. And then when she put out Joanne, she was in a place of, like, I'm making music that I love. I don't care what people think. She wasn't waiting for, like, everyone to, you know, appreciate Joanne for what it Was. But people are discussing. And so, of course they didn't.

[A]

Nobody appreciated Joanne for what it was.

[B]

It was amazing.

[A]

Amazing. I need to add that to, like, my rotation of albums.

[B]

I love this show. Be well. Because it's amazing.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[B]

But also because every day I'm inspired to listen to something on my way home. Like, last week it was. Was. Or earlier this week was Hannah Montana. And. And my favorite song that I forgot to share in addition to, like, my other favorite songs is Bigger than Us. Sam.

[A]

We all wanna believe in love we

[B]

all wanna believe in something

[A]

bigger than just a.

[B]

So good. What a message.

[A]

Chilling. Like, chills.

[B]

Chills, Chills. Are you ready for our next story? Our fourth story?

[A]

And then fifth story's Traitors. Yes, I'm ready.

[B]

Our fourth story is that Lana Del Rey's ex fiance is revealed as a contestant in Taylor Frankie Paul's upcoming season of the Bachelorette. So I was wrong when I said there are no familiar faces here.

[A]

You weren't wrong because he's still not familiar.

[B]

But Lana Del Rey's ex man is going on Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette.

[A]

Which one is he?

[B]

Clayton.

[A]

You have a picture.

[B]

Yeah, this was his picture. I don't think he, like, was a standout out that. I just remember the name Clayton when

[A]

you said it, that red shirt.

[B]

Because Clayton is just, like, such a bachelor name.

[A]

I don't think anybody. It's kind of like your birthright. If you're born with the name Clayton, you have to go on the Bachelor.

[B]

Yeah. And he was previously engaged to Lana.

[A]

I much like Cynthia Revo. I didn't know any of this was happening. Like, I don't follow Lana Del Rey.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm barely keeping up with the

[B]

Bachelor, so I didn't know he's a musician. He was in a band called the Johnsons.

[A]

I just feel like this whole. Like, this is such a red flag. Like, if I'm Taylor Frankie Paul, and I find this out, like, I'm literally.

[B]

Oh, you don't think it gives him clout?

[A]

No, I think he's, like, obsessed with dating successful women.

[B]

Oh, I feel like a good way. Like, no, I feel like it gives him clout. Like, that's. That's not just like, oh, he's, you know, the third.

[A]

Well, if he had actual clout, he wouldn't be going on the Bachelor. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Lana Del Rey, like, that's major.

[A]

Correct. So you don't.

[B]

And, like, if she liked him, like, that's a. That's that's, you know, a feather in his cap.

[A]

Oh. I'm seeing this from a totally different angle. I'm like, this is weird. And if I find this out, I'm literally sending him home that night.

[B]

No, I'm sorry.

[A]

It's like chasing fame.

[B]

No, but it's like you're. The way you're describing him. I understand who you're describing him. It's like Max Ehrlich. Damie, of course.

[A]

Mac Ehlich. Yeah, of course.

[B]

Like, if he went on the Bachelor, I would feel exactly how you feel that.

[A]

Thank you for making the most perfect comparison. This is Max Ehrlich going on the

[B]

Bachelor, but I don't see it that way. I don't see it that way. I don't know why.

[A]

The arc of Demetria Lovato's career and personal life is one of the craziest in modern times. I forgot about the engaged on the beach Max Ehlich era.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I wonder how she thinks about that, because she's, like, very happily married now and, like, super stable.

[B]

I feel like she's, like, so grateful that she, like, her eyes were open before it was too late. Right. I have to imagine anything about this situation, but, like, the vibes were that, like, he was like a. I mean, maybe his sister's like, a toaster or something. Oh, please. I don't know why I had such a negative perception of him as, like, a userous grifter. I don't know why, but that's what la. That's the lasting feeling I was left with with. Those were good times.

[A]

I agree. Like, for us. I don't think for Demi.

[B]

Yeah, no, no, no. But it all is part of her story and led her to where she is now, which is a happy married woman.

[A]

Lovato later shared in her documentary Dancing with the Devil that the split was the best thing for her. Okay. Leading to a journey of self exploration and realization.

[B]

Everyone says that.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry. And this was like. Because I don't know if she still feels this way. Leading her to a journey of self exploration and realizing that she felt too queer to marry a man. But she did marry a man now, and she's, like, very happily married. So I feel like Demi Lovato was the queen of, like, making documentaries before she, like, finished her thought, her growing up. Like, she has four documentaries where it's like, I'm a. And then a decent being. Like, I didn't know who I was in that documentary. I'm actually.

[B]

No. And she'll be like, I was in

[A]

all aspects of her life, like sexuality, love, but personality and family addiction. Yeah, yeah. She. Right.

[B]

Talking about how her recovery and then her next documentary, she's telling us what she was doing in the previous documentary.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And how she wasn't recovered.

[A]

And you should have watched that documentary because she was like, you know, that

[B]

one is null and void.

[A]

Yeah, she. That's where, you know, our celebrity documentary conversation.

[B]

And I have, like, so much grace for someone on their journey. But, like, don't feel pressured to put out a documentary, like summing up the experience when, like, the experience is ongoing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know, agreed.

[A]

But you know that watching celebrity documentaries, like, I need Netflix to come out with a category. Category. How you have like, you know, binge watched Emmy award winning celebrity documentaries and put them in order of greatness. There's actually a lot of good things coming to Netflix.

[B]

There are.

[A]

Yes. You know, the SAG Awards have been rebranded to the Actor Awards and streaming exclusively on Netflix.

[B]

That's so exciting.

[A]

Very like dramatic. So I love a rebrand, you guys know. And the SAG Awards have evolved and transformed into the Actor Awards, which definitely feels like it's like a glow up. It's much more high brow. And then they did that, like very. For the last couple of years, that very funny segment at the beginning of the awards where they were like, I am an actor. So it's been this like, very thoughtful rebrand, which I appreciate. And this year they're on Netflix. The Actor Awards are presented by who? Jackie? SAG Aftra.

[B]

SAG Aftra. This is everything we love.

[A]

They're live on Netflix this Sunday and they have a red carpet for the first time ever. So the theme is totally reimagining, like old Hollywood glamour from the 20s and 30s. So I feel like everyone's really going to be showing up. We love when people just like get dressed nicely.

[B]

Right. And when the theme is understandable. So true, executionable.

[A]

This is like such an easy theme and I feel like we're gonna be seeing like a lot of soft waves, a lot of side parts, very vintage.

[B]

It's like the Met Gala of the West Coast. West Coast Met Gala.

[A]

There's a red carpet hosted by Scott Evans and Paige desorbo. It's going to be a really fun way to kick off the whole live event and then lots to unpack in terms of the actual show. Host.

[B]

Host.

[A]

So hard to choose a host, right? Because you want somebody who's very affable, who people in the audience, you know, like, like they have personal Good relationships with the fellow actors. And we have Kristen Bell. I feel like everybody loves Kristen Bell.

[B]

Inspired choice.

[A]

She is that iconic Gossip Girl voice. So I just think everyone's always excited to hear her talk. She does, like, really good voice stuff. And I think people in Hollywood, like, on a personal level, actually really like her and her husband. And I think they, like, get along well and have good relationships with each other.

[B]

And audiences love her.

[A]

It's true. She has a high Q score.

[B]

She has a very IQ score.

[A]

So this award show is known for its iconic moments, like cast reunions, surprise group appearances. Like they did the iconic Devil Rest Prada reunion. Very emotional speeches. I feel like people in the industry really respect getting an actor award. It's like, from your peers. And of all the award shows, I feel like I also like that they're calling it the actor awards because, like, the statue itself is called the actor. So, like, other award shows are named after the actual statue.

[B]

And I feel like the sags, like, didn't really stand a chance.

[A]

No.

[B]

But the actor awards presented by SAG Aftra really sums up what we're here to do.

[A]

I completely agree. And I think that people in the industry, like, take it so seriously, and I think it means a lot to them, like, more so than other awards. So I feel like they've kind of been like a misunderstood award show. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Relate.

[A]

Yeah, right. This year, they are doing a lifetime achievement to somebody who starred in one of our, like, one of the most impactful movies of our life. It's Harrison Ford. And I know you're going to say you guys love Indiana Jones. No, actually, Harrison Ford inspired this show right here because, true, he started, like, a very small but important film called Morning Glory. And, yeah, he should get a lifetime achievement award for that alone.

[B]

I named my son after him.

[A]

So true. That's really cute.

[B]

I love your Harrison Ford.

[A]

Netflix has a bingo card and a ballot if you go to tudum.com which is great because then it makes, like, the viewing experience very interactive and fun. And I feel like I at this stage of my life, like, I'm always looking for events we can all watch to be a part of, to be a part of. And the fact that this is on Netflix, so fun, so easy. I love accessible. I feel like I'm gonna make popcorn. You know, that's like, so Hollywood.

[B]

What are you gonna put in your popcorn? You know, I love mix popcorn.

[A]

I know when I make popcorn at home, I really keep it simple, like salt. Like, I actually Just like the microwave one. If I'm going to the theater, like, you know, I'm throwing M M's in there. I'm going heavy on the salt.

[B]

It's different when I make it at home. That's when I get crazy because I can use, like, my healthier swaps. So I feel, oh, God, yeah, like my unreals and, oh, those are actually cheddar bunnies.

[A]

Actors are voting on actors. There's fashion with intention, and we have Kristen Bell hosting. So this is not a drill. It's really the most fun award show of the season, and it's something new. I feel like we. We're always begging, like, the streamers and Hollywood to, like, give us new and this is new, and we need to support it. Okay, so it's streaming live only on Netflix. I also love when we were talking about the streaming, where it's like, Netflix is kind of crushing live. They do a lot of, like, sports and comedy and now award shows, which I love. So the Actor Awards are presented by SAG Aftra and they're hosted by Kristen Bell live only on Netflix. This Sunday, March 1, at 8pm Eastern time. So get seated. If maybe you should get dressed up. Like, we always looking for an excuse to get dressed up. Like an old Hollywood glam. I'll do a side part. You know, I did actually a side part. Old, very old Hollywood glam at your wedding.

[B]

You did?

[A]

Maybe I should recreate that.

[B]

I should have gone to the Actor

[A]

Awards and I wore, like, a emerald green off the shoulder gown. I'm literally like Brigitte Bardot.

[B]

I'm excited to see how the stars interpret the theme.

[A]

Me too. And there's a lot of pressure because

[B]

this is an easy theme.

[A]

Like, sometimes when the theme is confusing, I'll give grace. I will not be giving grace.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

We're gonna be seated. We're gonna be judging outfits, and we are filling out our ballot like it's our civic duty. So do not miss the most fun award show of the season. The Actor Awards, presented by SAG Aftra, hosted by Kristen Bell Live only on. It's this Sunday, March 1, at 8pm Eastern Time, 5pm Pacific justice for everybody. Who gets to watch award shows on Pacific time?

[B]

Oh, yeah, because, like, they're done at

[A]

9 o' clock and you can, like, watch something else or, like, have dinner. That's when the only time I ever wish I lived on the West Coast.

[B]

And those Actor Awards are presented to you by SAG Aftra.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

In case you didn't and in case

[A]

you were wondering, it's SAG Aftra, because that was a. That was a paid partnership.

[B]

SAG Aftra. Love you.

[A]

Fifth and final traitors recap.

[B]

Fifth and final traitors recap. Oh, my goodness gracious. Okay, so spoilers here on forward. Rob won the traitors in an insane way. The whole game came down to Maura from the first roundtable of last night's episode. If she had voted with Tara and Johnny even to get out Eric, then Tara and Johnny could have gotten out Rob.

[A]

I am feeling so conflicted because, like, I was so getting so mad at Maura. Like, all she had to do was make one decent decision for the last, like, three episodes. There were so many pivotal moments where a decision of her. Hers could have changed the whole game. And time after time, she just kept disappointing me till the very fucking end. And you know what? Shout out to Tara and Johnny for the first time in the final episode, actually having a good idea and just trying to get her to go for Eric. Yeah, she couldn't even do that.

[B]

No. And it's like she knew Eric was a traitor. There was no doubt in her mind that Eric was a traitor, but she didn't think Rob was one. She didn't think Tara was one, and Tara wasn't. She was unsure about Johnny. Not confirmed, but anyone would have known that Eric was a traitor. He was the only one who was. Was, like, you know, behaving oddly, and he wouldn't have made it that far if he was a faithful because he just would have been, like, a random kill. So at the first round table, banish the person that you know is a traitor. That seems like an easy one. And then let's deal with something else. I can understand why at the end, she couldn't pivot from trusting Rob. It's like when you're playing mahjong and you're going with a hand the whole time. And it's like at the end, you realize you might not win that hand, but it's too late to switch. You have to rethink everything that you know.

[A]

Of course. But there was, like, three votes before that where she could have just made. Made a better decision. And I wanted to shake her. And I was, like, so excited for Rob to tell her that he was a traitor, because I'm like, yeah, you deserve it. And when I tell you I felt the total opposite. It was kind of devastating to watch.

[B]

Like, it was heartbreaking.

[A]

They also cut the music like, they. You could hear a pin drop. She, like, I actually.

[B]

You saw like, the light go out of her eyes.

[A]

And I felt like in that moment, I felt like this show was, like, a mean prank. Like, it was. It was. It was just devastating. Like, And I also, like. And she. Even at the reunion, she just kept saying, I'm so dumb. I'm so dumb. I'm so dumb. Like, and you can't even fault Rob. Right. Because nobody did anything wrong. Right. You get selected as a traitor, and

[B]

it just makes you feel like, what's the point of the show?

[A]

Yes. That's exactly how I felt like telling

[B]

someone to be the best liar. I guess when the faithful's. When it feels really good. But, like, when a traitor turns on the person that. That they were closest with, it's like, oh, cool. You just, like, gave someone trust issues for the rest of their life. Congrats. Yeah.

[A]

And I guess it would have. It was meaner for Rob to have also banished Eric, because then Maura really thought that they won. Remember, they were hugging in the kitchen. It's gonna be us. It's gonna be us. So it was us. So, like, she thought for sure. I don't like. I guess it was just for the money to banish Eric.

[B]

Yeah. And Maura was kind of savage. But I'm glad he turned on Eric. Cause he turned on all his other traders. And, like, he said, would you give $100,000 to someone you met three weeks ago? I wouldn't. I'm like, yeah, he's 100.

[A]

And I agree. I think it was actually one of the better things he could have done, like, for his image. Because this whole time, we've been, like, him being so loyal to this rando after kicking both Lisa and Candace to the curb. It's giving misogyny. But, you know, but it's not.

[B]

It's giving. We're getting down to the wire, and I need these votes. Yes. He could have turned on Eric. Like, that vote, it became only up to more. Like, you need. Every single person was so critical. He's not going to turn on someone whose vote he needs. That would be bad gameplay. People need to, like, kind of take their emotions out of it. And. And, like, I don't think there was misogyny. No.

[A]

That's why, like, I don't really fault Rob for any decision he made the entire season, because it was always with strategy in mind. So you're mad he was a good player. Well, that's your. But he did nothing wrong. And that's where. Yes. The show felt almost pointless. Like, he did what he was supposed to do. And, like, what the worst thing she did was, like, trust someone. I mean, I do feel like her time on the show was, like, so bad for women. Like, it was just how easy. Like, a. He's cute. He's not Brad Pitt. Like, he's very good looking. He's a cute guy.

[B]

He's very good looking.

[A]

He's not, like, insanely tall or insanely rich. Like, he's just a guy.

[B]

No, I think he's. He's.

[A]

He's just a guy. Like, it's insane how far that got him, because that was a huge part of it. And I do feel like she. And she was so close, right? She kept saying, why am I still here? And they kept referencing that she, like, chooses the wrong man and she gets cheated on all the time. And it's like, put those two things together, you're trusting a man and you're still here. It was right in front of her, and I kind of, like, was living for Tara and Johnny this last episode. It's like, where was that energy the entire season? I do feel like they played horrifically. And I really appreciate Candace. I know she was saying it at the reunion to, like, knife Rob, because everyone was like, rob, you're so great. Rob, you're so great. Candace is like, well, also, you had, like, some of the worst faithfuls ever.

[B]

You need to go to faithful school.

[A]

And I appreciated that because, yes, he did play really well. But, like, it's easy to play well with, like, a bunch of idiots. Like, and that's what Candace was saying.

[B]

But also, it's good he played well enough to keep the idiots around till the end and dismiss the smart people.

[A]

That challenge, yeah, that's what was so crazy about Maura. She was the last person standing in the entire show. And, like, that challenge, I feel like, was really emblematic of her time there. She got to go in the helicopter, and then, because she's, like, a pretty girl, like, she didn't have to jump out. And, like, what did she do, too?

[B]

Yeah. And the other ones are, like, shivering.

[A]

Oh, man, I felt so bad.

[B]

Hypothermia. The challenges aren't supposed to get that real.

[A]

What is this fear factor?

[B]

Really stupid. It's like Special forces. He's jumping out of a helicopter.

[A]

That was wild.

[B]

Why? For what?

[A]

For what? But that did really, like, I think,

[B]

help his case for being a faithful because he, like, worked so hard, right? Yeah, yeah. It was just the game was lost when. At the first round table, and. And if. Yeah, if Maura had just, like, Gone with the person that she knows is a traitor. Eric. Everything else could have, like, sorted itself out, but even then, at the t. At the fire of truth or whatever, that she banished Tara first when she knew that Tara was not a traitor.

[A]

Why didn't they banish Eric first?

[B]

I don't know why.

[A]

That was really weird.

[B]

Like, that's even weirder. Like, you know that. You know that Tara's not a traitor. You said that multiple times. Yeah. So why would you banish her?

[A]

So I feel so conflicted. Cause, like, I just wanted to shake Laura.

[B]

I think she felt so conflicted, and in those moments of complete confliction, I

[A]

don't know, you just, like, shit the bed.

[B]

No, she's just like, I'm gonna do what Rob tells me, because that's a plan. Yeah.

[A]

So, like, I. I was so mad at her, right? And then all of that just, like, went away. I felt so bad for her at the reunion. She just, like, kept. I think she's, like, so worried that. I mean, like, you see what people on Twitter are saying. Like, they're just calling her dumb and stupid. Like, I. I think I feel so bad for her. Like, the whole Birkin thing is funny and whatever. I just, like. I feel like she really regrets during the show.

[B]

Like, oh, I don't think so. I think she has really big aspirations.

[A]

But did you see that tweet, like, about, like, me when I say I'm not dumb? And then it's like a picture. Like, everyone's being so mean to her.

[B]

No, I think for her, she has big aspirations. All press is good press. She's broken into the American market in a huge way.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She's on every single show doing press with her fashion. She wants to be a fashion girl, and she wants to be an actress. Actress. I don't think she. I mean, yes, it probably hurts to see some of the sweets, but, like, I think she's, like, tunnel vision. Like, I'm gonna be going to the Oscars, and, you know, she. What she wants to be doing is, like, acting and probably, like, modeling and. And we, like. She served face. She served looks. She's the most beautiful woman ever. Like, I think the exposure for her was worth the embarrassment.

[A]

It was so embarrassing. Like, I just felt so. It was. It was not fun at the end.

[B]

It was actually, like, devastating. I. When you see her face, like, the light. I've never seen emotion displayed, honestly, make her an actress.

[A]

In books, when they say, like, in the light drained from her face, you're like, what the. Does that Mean, watch more at the final roundtable.

[B]

Oh, my God. I had chills throughout my body. I wanted to start crying.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I. I felt like I couldn't breathe.

[A]

I felt so awkward.

[B]

I was like, no, like, I was very emote. Like, I. I didn't expect to.

[A]

Like, it was heartbreaking.

[B]

And you also have to remember, like, we're just watching it as a TV show, but, like, they have been in this.

[A]

You know, they've been, like, siloed. It's very isolated.

[B]

Isolated. You know, they. Maybe they get their phones at the hotel room, but they go. And everything is so intense. Trying to.

[A]

You're.

[B]

There's a liar amongst us. And it's like everything that you thought that you knew and, like, you thought you were winning, like, the rug pulled out from under you. Like, I. I think her face just conveyed completely the shock of that feeling.

[A]

Just awful.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, the reunion, I really felt like, again, I don't wish I watched it right after the finale because the finale was so high stakes. Right. We were having these, like, intense feelings of, you know, sadness and betrayal. And then the reunion was just, like, so stupid. Everyone was, like, laughing. And it. I mean, it is just a game. But the show, the way it's edited, the whole, like, Scottish castle and the fire, it's so dramatic that, like, I don't know, I just felt like I wasted all my time because the reunion was, like, so jokey. And I don't really feel like I got anything out of the reunion because you can't really be mad at someone. It's a game.

[B]

Yeah. But, you know, I think there were a lot of loose ends and, like, people. Theories about other people and. And it's fun just to see everyone again and see, like, some of the people that we missed and having them, like, back on our screens and, you know, all the drama between the traitors, like, and he seeing Donna when they brought out the traitors, I'm like, why are there five people there? Three traitors? It's Eric. It's Rob. No, it's Rob, Candace and Lisa. So then, like, Donna being there was funny. And of course, like, he had to ask her about Taylor. And, you know, she wanted to die.

[A]

I know. Her face fell.

[B]

It did. And she was, like, looking to the left and the right, like, she gave her best sort of answer.

[A]

And I don't think her face fell because, like, she wants, like, I think sometimes she.

[B]

Not because she doesn't want to say

[A]

the wrong thing, I think, because it was like, can it just be about me?

[B]

For three seconds, I felt the complete opposite. Not that funny. Where it's like, I. It's not that I don't want to talk about the thing. It's just like, you don't. I don't say the wrong thing. Like, why can't we, like.

[A]

No, I thought it was annoying. I thought it was the opposite.

[B]

But then Colton v. Lisa Rinna so

[A]

that I wanted to wait around to see that. And then I did turn it off maybe, like, five or ten minutes later. I feel like Lisa took Internet stuff and sort of ran with it, but it was the first time we've ever had to, like, hear Colton talk about that time with Cassie. So I really appreciate Lisa doing that. He said, like, words, and then he also similarly echoed those words. He was interviewed in Vanity Fair.

[B]

I was just reading that, which is so crazy. And the. I didn't finish get through it.

[A]

But the author, it was word salad. Like, I don't even. He's said. He's speaking so generally. It was a bad time in his life. Very similar to what he said on the reunion. Like, no real substance.

[B]

The author was clearly very sympathetic towards him even before, you know, his answers or everything. Like, this was meant to sort of be a redemption. I don't know. When he was in the reunion last

[A]

night, did you see him sulking afterwards? Like, after that conversation with Lisa?

[B]

He.

[A]

He was literally like a kid who had had a tantrum. Like, he was sitting on the couch, shoulder slumped. He didn't really speak anymore. And eyes, like, diverted. He was so mad.

[B]

Yeah. But I felt like he did as good of a job as he could have at defending himself. Like, because he's just been, like, totally dragged through the mud. Like, his name, but he won't say it.

[A]

Like, even in the Vanity Fair article, he's like. And he said it last night. It must be confusing for people who, like, saw me on the Bachelor in 2019 and then now to, you know, six years later seeing me here. Well, why don't you talk about what happened in between? That's not why we're confused. We know you're gay. Nobody cares. Like, yeah, he's just being so vague.

[B]

Yeah, he is. And what also bothers me is, like. And he said in this article that peak. He had an agreement with Peacock that they wouldn't. No one bring up this stuff. And, like, this definitely, like, obviously made audience members the entire time just, like, very, like, uncomfortable. And it's like the elephant in the room. And it's. I just. I can't help but Think about Sierra. Like, how she was booted from love island.

[A]

Oh, man, I'm cracking up.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, when like, like and they elected to put him on the show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So no, like, knowing I don't understand

[A]

that they thought people really cared that much and it's like, sort of in this random.

[B]

But that's why it's just, like, so phony. Like, it's like what Sierra did versus, like, what Colton where Sierra, like, said the wrong thing and, like, felt and apologized online immediately. And it's also just, like, younger and a nobody and they just completely threw her under the bus for the sake of the audience. But they'll, like, stand up and knowingly go in with Colton, be like, we're not going to talk about thing even though we know you did the thing.

[A]

Yeah. No. Giving him that sort of assurance that it's not going to be brought up. Like, who gets that sort of protection?

[B]

They put out that statement about bullying for him. That's weird. And I'm just like, what about Sierra?

[A]

So true.

[B]

Like, that bothers me. Just, like, be consistent.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If we're not having people who have messed up, who have scandals, who have scandals, who have things that the audience is going to sort of like, hang on to, if you don't want any of that, then Then be consistent with that. That's fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But like, protecting Colton and giving. Putting him on the show in the first place.

[A]

Mind you, what Colton did. I'm sorry, is 10 times worse than what Sierra did.

[B]

I understand he was going through a.

[A]

And.

[B]

But are we giving grace? Are we not giving grace?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then putting out a statement the way the Internet, like, came for Sierra.

[A]

Jackie, just think about it in the context of this season of traders. The way the Internet. The cut magazine wrote an article. Michael rappaport is ruining traitors. Michael rapport is not a criminal. He's just fudgeing annoying. Like, we're like. And now here he is being profiled in vanity fair as some sort of victim. Like, it's absurd. The sort of grace being given to him by people. Peacock by vanity Fair. Like, who gets interviewed by vanity Fair? Who's he? Ronan Farrow.

[B]

It's insane. Yeah. This is what the author wrote throughout our conversation. He addresses some of this in a contrite and careful manner, tripping over words and phrases in a genuine attempt not to make another misstep. Like, that's just. So can this girl interview me like it's a man?

[A]

Oh, of course I would like to be interviewed.

[B]

Yeah. No, and I'm. I'm all for giving grace, honestly, but then let's give grace to everyone.

[A]

I think Randolph should be interviewed in that.

[B]

They asked her for a comment and she.

[A]

No, not in relation to this.

[B]

Like, doesn't want to be in that.

[A]

No, of course. But I mean, like, leave Cassie alone when it comes to Colton.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, wait, now she can't watch a season of Traders? How annoying for her.

[B]

I don't think she wants Watch Traitors.

[A]

Why? She's just like, a girl who could watch tv.

[B]

She'll catch the next one.

[A]

Yeah. No, not this season. So, yeah, it's a very bizarre casting

[B]

and it's crazy that he has had a show coming on Colton after all of this happened. That's a bigger. To me, you know, that's his own show. This is just being cast on a show where you're meant to be a villain. No.

[A]

Coming out. Colton. It was widely criticized at the time, but it's always been just like, inner. And it's really just like, girls standing up for Cassie. Like, nobody's taking it seriously until now. And I'm sorry. This is the only type of behavior that a man could do. Like, seriously. You. Like, we're always canceling people for, like, tweets and shit. This is somebody who actually, like, had a restraining order put against. I'm like. Who was in, like, a physical, harmful person to. To a woman. And nobody cares. Nobody cares.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the people care.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[B]

But anyways, I thought, like, Lisa Ra. Yeah, she was obviously speaking for the Internet, but I think.

[A]

What did you mean when you said people were doing cocaine in your bathroom?

[B]

I think he really handled her because she was obviously, like, just trying to poke. Like, I mean, so it's like, I'm. I'm.

[A]

It wasn't a serious question. No.

[B]

And she was just, like, wanting to. Wanting to, like, have a moment. And then he was like, you said you were gonna slit my fucking throat. Like, who. I'm sorry. And I'm sorry.

[A]

Handed it to her in that statement.

[B]

And that's what I also said. Everyone, like, keeps being so sensitive at the round tables and stuff. Like when Michael Rappaport said, you have a secret.

[A]

Right, right. So stupid.

[B]

And it's like, you all are talking about killing each other. You literally put Mark Ballas in a

[A]

coffin and burned it.

[B]

But, like, oh, we're keeping this.

[A]

Yeah, it's so true.

[B]

It's really, really silly.

[A]

Silly that.

[B]

So the show is just silly. And it's like, too Serious when it's being serious, and, like, unserious when it's being unserious. And it's like, well, how are we supposed to feel about this stupid show?

[A]

And then when I saw them all get back together yesterday, I think I realized it actually wasn't a good cast.

[B]

Yeah, but what are we looking for?

[A]

I don't know. Because not everyone can be big personality. They need a range.

[B]

I think it will be good when it's unknowns, because the way that they get people out early who are gamers, like Rob C. Or whatever. The guy who called the conga line, like, I wanted to see, like, I. He would have been amazing on the show. But we obviously can't get smart people when they don't know each other.

[A]

And smart people won't be talking and

[B]

people can pretend to be stupid. I think that will be really interesting.

[A]

Let's dive into Queenie and Weenie, our final segment of the week. But I'm really excited about. So Queenie and Weenie. We do every Friday. It's our final segment. Before we send you off for the weekend, we like to take a look back at a glance at the weekend and give out two awards. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. You can go to a person, a place, or a thing, you know, for example, today, mine will be a concept. Just things that brought us joy this week. Things that were Queenie like, and of course, things that were Weenie like. It's not our fault. We're just, like, living in a world of queenies. Let's start with Queenie. So my Queenie of the Week is a concept that I've been hearing a lot about on Tick Tock. And I took the time this week to actually learn about it. And I realize it's sort of a phrase, a concept that we've needed. Like, you and I talk about this all the time. It's called the Kia Asylum. Have you heard of it? Okay, so the key Asylum is where, like, pop stars get locked up. And I feel like we're always talking about, you know, people who have had success and, like, sort of, like, fell off or people who. Who, like, just can't get the engine started. It's a lot of girls, pop divas, but they're also. There's a men's ward.

[B]

Why is it called Kia Asylum?

[A]

I don't know. K H I A. I don't know why it's called the Kia Asylum. It's like a Twitter meme that has, like, taken it so far and I just want to say it is the perfect.

[B]

There's a men's ward. Okay, Can I guess people who are

[A]

in it and people who have escaped.

[B]

Okay. Tori Kelly's in it.

[A]

That's a great example of somebody who's had success, like, mainstream, but then never really got it back. But not for lack of trying.

[B]

I think Madison Beer is in it.

[A]

Madison Beer is in it.

[B]

I think Charlie X XCX has escaped.

[A]

Who else is an escapee? Charlie? There are two big escape.

[B]

And is Charlie XCX one of them?

[A]

Yes. And there's a third who's actively escaping right now.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Charlie xcx. You're not going to think of it because she's so big, you don't even remember a time when she was in the Kia Asylum.

[B]

No, I feel like I will know. Let me go to my Spotify. She's so big. Hold on. Let me go to Tom Drop. I feel like you should just let

[A]

me tell you who it is because you're never gonna answer it.

[B]

Hold on. Yes, I'm looking, I'm looking. Okay, you could tell me.

[A]

Sabrina Carpenter, like, she could not get arrested for seven years.

[B]

Like, yeah, she's a.

[A]

She's one of the larger escapees. And her and Charlie, like, sort of give people hope that there is a bus out, right?

[B]

Yeah. But the thing is, like, Charlie went up, down, up. Sabrina just had a very slow up.

[A]

There's no.

[B]

I feel. Yeah, of course.

[A]

But the path to Key Asylum, like, everyone has their own. I think, like, the core one of, like, the founding members of the Key Asylum who's desperately trying to break out is Bibi Rexha. And she keeps making content now about how she's, like, actively trying to get out of the Key Asylum.

[B]

You know who's in the Kia Asylum and, like, Betty who? She's too nice. She had some drama.

[A]

Yeah. But she's not mainstream and, like, she never was mainstream. Like.

[B]

No, no. She had, like, that song. She was set to be the next big thing and then she was put in the asylum.

[A]

No. Who you're thinking of that had the next big thing and is a permanent resident of the Key Asylum is Ava Max.

[B]

That's fine.

[A]

Yeah. Ava Max. Normani Dove Cameron. They think there's hope for Dove, but she's actively, like, cellmates with Bebe Rexha.

[B]

Dove. There is. I think Dove is so talented. And I'll always.

[A]

Like, the Key Asylum is not about lack of talent.

[B]

No, no. But I just feel like she doesn't want to do the mainstream things. That it takes to be mainstream successful. She, like, stays in the art underground world.

[A]

Right. Somebody who's having a moment and I think who, like, the conversation about the Key Asylum, like, really became mainstream. And she talks about how she's, like, literally, she's not fully out yet, but, like, she's chipping away. She's pretty much out is Zara Larson. So she's having a really big comeback moment. It's mostly constricted to Tik Tok. That's the thing. It hasn't gone super mainstream.

[B]

Yes, that's a great example. It's a great example.

[A]

Then the men's ward, which, like, people talk about it mostly in the context of pop divas.

[B]

Okay. But no, there's definitely a men's ward. You know that guy Khalid?

[A]

Oh, that's a great one. Khalid. Conan Gray is, like, very much in the Kia side.

[B]

I think he's, like, my vibrant, right?

[A]

No, I don't think so. I don't. I. Actually, that's the thing. I don't know a singular Conan Gray song, but he was, like, friends with Taylor Swift briefly. Like, he's famous is. It's crazy. Like, but I've never heard a song of his.

[B]

Oh, no, he's not in my, like, songs. Okay.

[A]

Shawn Mendes, like, is in the Kia side.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of Jack Harlow.

[B]

Jack Harlow.

[A]

Like, somebody who was everywhere. And you know what reminded me that something I wanted to talk to you about this is because, you know who's a men's in Prisoner of the Key Asylum, who we were just having this conversation with. It's crazy how you could be everywhere all at once, and then nowhere is Lil Nas X. So I thought the concept of the Key Asylum, like, needed to be brought to this show because I feel like we're always sort of referencing this thing and, like, that's what it is.

[B]

Yeah. When, like, it feels like you're an industry plant who's no longer chosen, they've given up on you because they couldn't plant your roots strong enough.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Or you're someone that actually was talented that the industry squashed. Madison, you're not a plant.

[A]

Madison Beer.

[B]

No, I don't know what it is for Madison Beer. Okay. No, but, like, some people, like, maybe even, like, Betty who, Whatever. Like, if she won't work with the record, like, with the industry, then they won't help her.

[A]

Oh. Someone who's in there who I thought was, like, a good example because, like, clearly she's successful now, but there is something holding her back. And we talk about This a lot. Tate McCray.

[B]

Okay. What do you think's holding her back?

[A]

She's so, so tick tocky. And that's like 80 of it, right? Like, if you're crushing it on tick tock, you will be everywhere. And something about her, like, has not penetrated past the Internet. Now, the Internet is very powerful. She's a successful person. Like, she has a lot of streams, but when it comes to, like, actual cultural impact, like, she. When we talk about the pop girlies, like, she ain't there.

[B]

And I've told you why.

[A]

Why?

[B]

The music is not good enough. It's not. She needs to be making supermarket music. And it's not. It's like, if you want to be a major pop diva, your music has to be for everyone, whether we know you or not. And, like. Like, you're just playing everywhere.

[A]

And then I saw a funny clip on TikTok about how Katy Perry, like, is in the Kia Asylum, and she thought dating a prime minister would get her out, but she just brought him in.

[B]

She thought she would be pardoned.

[A]

Yeah. But it's like, no. Now he's there too.

[B]

That's funny. She's, like, too big, actually, so she might eclipse it.

[A]

Only because, like, she has this insane catalog.

[B]

She's just, like, on house arrest now. But yes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She will always have been like, a girl. It can be over for her, is the thing. Thing, like, if she wanted.

[A]

It's never really over.

[B]

No. And yeah, that's. She has a different issue.

[A]

Yes, agreed.

[B]

But she's not being, like, suppressed by the industry. She just has, like, a. A popularity issue.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That she did to herself.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Nobody did that.

[A]

Actually, her hairstylist did it to her. Oh, that started it all.

[B]

No, she. I guess for you, but I think she just, like, bon appetit. Yeah. She turned people off.

[A]

Off. Okay. Weenie of the week. Like I said, it's someone in this room who wants to guess who it is.

[B]

I mean, it has to be me. What are you gonna like?

[A]

Oh, it's. You're wrong.

[B]

It's you.

[A]

It's me. I can't believe when I told that Valentine's Day story, I, like, decided to protect my husband. And look what that served me. Like, I got embarrassed on the Internet. Will not be happening again. Ben forgot to get me flowers. And don't you forget it.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Like, I'm embarrassed that I tried to, like, protect him and he came over and told the truth.

[B]

I thought it was nice. I thought it was. I think that was, like, a very human moment. Moment.

[A]

A very weenie moment. Okay. Big W on my forehead.

[B]

Okay, so we're back to trashing Ben.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, did we?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because Ben. Yeah, my sister love that because I actually didn't think anyone was like so weenie. And I mean, I don't want to just give it to people like when it's for the sake deserve because that just feels like mean sparity.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

But it's Ben.

[A]

When in doubt, we need like a button Ben. That's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the Toast Online morning show where we deliver the past five stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please go free to subscribe. Give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere. Podcast can be found at Spotify New Citra Public Radio cast walk to all the places wherever you listen to podcast, find also Toastly five star review about how beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented we are. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we will see you. Oh, not day weekend. And we'll see you on Monday.

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