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The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
139. Mike Rashid: Why This Fitness Icon Trains at 5 AM & Fasts All Day To Achieve Peak Performance
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Being in shape is loving yourself. Today is the youngest you will ever be. So start getting crazy about your nutrition, your training, your meditation, your community, all of that. Do that now.
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There's such a physical connection to the mind. I think if you are weak physically, you have a tendency to be weak mentally.
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I don't see a separation when your mind is healthy. You want to define what success is and you're going to have success.
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I think that we, we have a pandemic not of mental illness in this country. I think we have a pandemic of a lack of mental fitness.
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Adults need to think like children with a lot of things limitless. We can do anything. And then we'll add a little discipline to it when we're starting to formulate these ideas. But we gotta think creatively like children.
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You care for yourself, you're dedicated, you probably have discipline, not just motivation. So just talk about fitness, the foundation for you and how has that shaped you as an entrepreneur?
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I have a mentorship community and the foundation is training. It's about more than that. But that's the first listen.
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Ultimate Human. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brea, where we go down the road of everything, anti aging, biohacking, longevity and everything in between. And today we've got a twist on your usual guests. As you probably heard from the, from his background, he's a fitness icon, an entrepreneur, but like many of my guests, passion and purpose driven individuals. So welcome to the podcast. Mike Rashid.
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Thank you, thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's an honor, an honor and a pleasure.
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Thank you, man. Indeed, I appreciate that. You know, it's a very, very common theme that I talk about at the beginning of most of my podcasts and that's that I find that the most impactful people, the most passionate and the most, the most purpose driven people in the world have solved some kind of problem in their life. And you know, I look back at your, your background, you didn't have, I mean, I would call it troubled background, if you're okay with that term. And I'd love for you to talk about, we're going to talk about some of your successes and some of your passions and some of your purpose, you know, your supplement company, what you're doing in the area of fitness and entrepreneurship. But I really want my audience to kind of get to know you for sure. Where did you come from? How did you emerge from that? How did you overcome obstacles? What sort of brought you into this chair today? And. And, you know, what's your driver, man?
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Yeah. Well, I'm from Brooklyn, New York, and I grew up in the 80s, so we like to call it the cocaine 80s, because that's when I grow up.
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I didn't grow up in Miami, but I'm from the cocaine cowboy era Miami.
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There you go. So. So, you know, as you can imagine, it was a very truculent time, right. Very volatile times. And I'm talking about. It was infestation of crack in our community, especially my neighborhood, especially my house, because my stepfather was one of the biggest drug dealers in New York. So our house corrupted our entire area, literally. I lived there. Yeah. So I seen a lot. I mean, we had multiple houses on that block. We owned stores around the corner, and we had a mansion in Long Island. So I was. It was like a movie, you know, And I seen a lot of things that a kid probably shouldn't see. However, I am thankful of some of the things that I experienced because none of it broke me. I'm still here and my mind is intact. Honestly, I think I have somewhat of a stronger mind for the fact that I did experience so many not so ideal things and figured it out. So, you know, I was exposed to a lot, you know, and we were rich. And then he died, and then we were poor, so. Financially poor. So.
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So it didn't. It didn't end poorly for your father because of like, law enforcement or something. It ended.
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Well, this was my stepf.
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Your stepfather.
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It ended. I mean, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. He died by the sword. He definitely lived by the sword. So he died by the sword, you know, and every. The whole empire collapsed like that. Like that. Because when you're living that kind of life, sometimes some people can transition out of it, but a lot of times people are just spending as fast as they're getting. There's no real infrastructure set up. There's no, you know, they're not parlaying that into legitimate businesses. So it fell fast and we had to deal with that. So that was interesting. But one thing about us as human beings is we are successful as a species because we're so resilient. You know, excuse me. I used to have a driver to school, right? I went from that to, like nothing to real poverty. And I was fine. Like, I don't recall my childhood being of lack. Even though we didn't have. Even though we had nights where, you know, my mother had to light candles for lights. Wow. She had to hold me on the couch because she's scared and I'm scared. We don't have any power. The power will go out. It's cold. Right. So. But none of that is not. It wasn't a sad childhood, you know, there's a lot of things that happen but.
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And why wasn't it a sad childhood? You had love from your mother.
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Yeah.
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Do you have siblings around?
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I had love, my sister who's like my best friend. Right on. My mother was such a powerful person, you know, man, I miss her. She passed away or ascended last year, but she gave me so much, so much love. And my mother, she dealt with a lot, a lot of life, a lot of unideal situations that had nothing to do with her. Her circumstances were shitty out the gate from her parents, you know, so you know, what I observed from that to what I went through and then the love that I did experience from what she was able to give me. But my grandparents and so on and so forth, it just made me who I am today. I'm an accumulation of all of those things. So, you know, I overly love my children just like anybody does, but I'll do it.
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How many kids do you have?
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I have three. So. So yeah, so. And that's like, that's my life is them, everything, every decision I make is based on them. Right. It's positioning them to be happy and independent people in this, in this world.
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How old are your kids?
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19. My son Elijah, Kaya is 18. She just turned 18. Ivy, it's my baby girl. She's nine. She's about to be 10.
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You look too young to have a 19 year old.
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They say black don't cry. They say black don't cry.
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Yeah, they don't man, they don't. The dark skinned men, you guys just.
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But I'm tapping into my ultimate human. So thanks to people like you with the research, I'm able to like walk in, you know, the pathway of, you know, biohacking and trying to reverse aging to a degree.
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So yeah, so I've heard you talk about how sports fitness, particularly boxing was something. Because I think everyone needs to have an outlet and something to gravitate to. You know, they say, they say idle time is the devil's workshop. And I would imagine in the kind of environment you were in, you know, a lot of your peers had a lot of time on their hands and maybe gravitated towards things that weren't longevity in terms of their career, maybe not even in terms of their life. So talk a little bit about that transition. You know, it's Also really astounding to me, the number of successful entrepreneurs. I know Stephen A. Smith actually wrote an entire book on it about how they grow up in difficult environments. But the love of a mother was enough of a foundation and enough of a grounding force that you could actually make decisions that were different than what your environment was leading you to believe. Because I've got to imagine if you're in that environment, the cool thing to do wasn't to go the opposite direction, right? So like give, give a little insight into, you know, what led you out of that, that, that life, that, that, that environment anyway, and I want to say the lifestyle, because you weren't in.
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So it's really interesting. It's somewhat of a. I mean, my mother was married to this guy. However, my mother protected me from everything, right? So when he died, we had a period when we went to Florida for a while and it was just as bad there where we was at a place called Sanford, Florida. And it was just put it like this, this is crazy. It was in the projects every day you see like white pickup trucks in the neighborhood talking to women that work, that live there, right? And you know who these guys were? They were white guys, they were insurance salesmen because people was like young men, boys, was getting killed so much. It was a big hustle. Selling insurance to mothers. That's a fact.
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Selling insurance to mothers to insure their own babies.
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Life insurance.
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Yeah, against.
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Wow. It was so common, right? So think about this one situation. There was a guy in our hood named Killer, right? He killed one of our friends. He was older than us. Nobody came and got arrested him, a week later, he's trying to play basketball with us and we're scared to death, you know what I'm saying? That's the kind of environment that that was, however. So my mother, she went down there, she cleaned her life up, got educated, got a degree and started her own home healthcare business in nursing. And she would just take, she would take me with her. So when I'm not in school, I would be with her at her clients or patients homes or whatever. And I would just be with her at all times versus being back at home and being outside and being in the riff raff. So my mother, she, you know, I have a little brother as well, we're 10 years apart. She didn't have the same energy with him because she was older, but she had enough in her to protect me from a lot of that, from most of it, honestly. So. And I have to say that I did have, despite those Things, you know, because after that little period, I stayed with my grandparents who were stable. This is in New York, private school, like, the whole night. I had a good upbringing. It was just some hiccups, but that's life. That happens. I had a good upbringing. It was very dynamic.
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It's very dynamic.
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Very dynamic.
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So far, it's been pretty dynamic, right? Yeah.
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And, you know, I got into some trouble, but that was as an adult. Right. But as a child, it was, you know, we got through the rough stuff, but it was smooth. And I think, like, there's nothing that I've ever faced that was that crazy. Right. Maybe there's somebody else, but to me, I'm like, let's go. I'm gonna eat it up.
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Yeah.
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And I think maybe because I went through or seen so many scary things as a child, it's like I'm with all the smoke.
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Where does. Where does fitness, where does boxing. Where does your love of that skill come on board and start to take you in that. In that direction?
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All right, so first of all, in New York, where I lived at, I had friends that was probably better athletes than you'll ever see on tv. It just. The lives were not ideal to go, the routes to get put on. So we lived in a very competitive area. We played every sport outside in the snow. You know what I mean? So you grow up being really athletic. You have to be to get noticed. In a place like Brooklyn, especially when I was growing up, you got to think New York City is small. It's tiny, but it's a lot of people.
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So it's overcrowded and a lot of competition.
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Everything is competition, literally. So I grew up extremely competitive, so. And I also grew up in an era of he man, GI Joe, Mr. T, like, WWF.
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So did I. Incredible Hulk.
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Yeah. So I wanted to be big and strong, like what I saw on tv. So. And I was fixated on being strong and being fat, like, just fit. I never thought about looks because when I started getting into, I guess, training, I was. I was 12. 11 or 12.
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Oh, okay.
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So I didn't. I wasn't thinking about how I looked. I was just trying to be strong.
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Right, Right.
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So I just had that mentality. And I got. My father got me into boxing at a very young age, and that. That was, like, all I needed. I played. I played basketball, baseball, and I box, and I love boxing the most because it was all on me, you know, Like, I played baseball. I was really good. But our team lost every game. I didn't like that. I don't want to lose because of this guy.
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Right, right.
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So boxing, if you lose, is your fault, but if you win, it's your glory. So that was like the ultimate competitive sport for me.
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And so how much time were you. I mean, were you like gym rat? Were you, were you in it?
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All my life. Like, yeah, I've been a gym guy since I was 11 or 12 years old.
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And how's that shaped, you know, you as an entrepreneur? Because I think people really omit the physical fitness part. I mean, there's, there's a, There's a lot to be said for what a lot of people think is being selfish, which is like giving time to yourself so that you can be selfless and give your time to the rest of the world. I mean, I always give myself, for example, the first 90 minutes of every day. I always say the first 90 minutes of every day belongs only to me. Not to my kids, not to my wife, not to my business or, you know, my, my clients. But after that 90 minutes is over, I give everything else away. You know, I try to be present for my wife, for my kids, for my business, for my clients. But I think the only way that I'm able to be that president is because I take some time for, for, for self care. And so just talk about, you know, is fitness the foundation for you?
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That's.
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I mean, clearly you're, you're, you're pretty fit. So it's clearly a priority, which I.
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Echo exactly what you said. Yeah, same with my. This is my brother right here, Sean. Like, everyone in my, my circle is the same the morning we gotta get it. And I. Look, I have a community, I have a mentorship community, and I, and I talk. The foundation is training. Like, I kick people out if in a certain amount of time they're not getting in better shape. It's about more than that. But that's the first. Listen, if I go to church, right, and I'm auditing different churches and I see the pastors, right, and you're supposed to be living by these seven deadly sins, right, Adhering to the gospel, I don't know what you're doing behind closed doors. I just got to go. What you're telling me, But I can see that you're overweight. I can see that you're a glutton. I would think that that's the easiest thing to hide, to not be. Because we see you. I can't trust you, right? So I feel like that's just a foundation. Like being in shape is Loving yourself, right? You cannot properly love other people if you don't love yourself.
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Yes.
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Being selfish by being, you know, dedicating your mornings to yourself. I don't see that as a problem at all.
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One of my favorite biohacks outside of Breathwork by far, is mineral salts. Baja Gold sea salt. It's got all of the trace minerals that the body needs. You know, most of us are not just protein deficient, meaning amino acid deficient, or fatty acid deficient, we are mineral deficient. So a quarter teaspoon of this in water first thing in the morning will make sure that you get all of the essential minerals that you need. It tastes amazing. In fact, I made a steak today. I actually made a grass fed steak with grass fed butter. And I put just mushrooms and a little bit of rosemary and I sprinkled Baja Gold sea salt on all over the top. Try it. It'll be your new favorite for cooking too. It's the cheapest and one of my favorite biohacks. I don't know, a 15 or 20 bag of this will probably last you five years. This is literally the world's best biohacking secret. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. I don't, I don't see that. I, I see it as an absolute necessity. I see it as a non negotiable. And you know, I've heard other entrepreneurs talk about it. It's like when I see somebody who's physically fit, and this isn't to shame other people, but when I see somebody who's physically fit, I'd immediately know at least a few things about them. They're consistent. But you can't, can't fake that. You can pull up in a Ferrari and I may or may not know whether or not you're wealthy, right? But because you can fake a Ferrari, you can't fake being physically fit. So what it means is you've had a commitment over a long period of time. You care for yourself. You know, you're dedicated. You probably have discipline, not just motivation, meaning, you know, you, this consistency over time requires discipline, not just to be excited for a period of time. And I tend, tend to believe that it's. I have a lot of friends that are not physically fit and I do business and counsel a lot of clients that are not physically fit either. But I would agree with you that, that, that first part of the day, if that belongs to you, and there's, there's such a physical connection to the mind. I think if you are weak physically, you have A tendency to be weak mentally. And I think that we have a pandemic not of mental illness in this country. I think we have a pandemic of a lack of mental fitness. So I love that. That's a foundation for your community, you know, so. So boxing is your. Your passion, your purpose for your while. You know, I might go so far as to say maybe that's what kept you steady and. And maybe kept you from being tugged in the wrong direction in an environment that didn't have a lot of good choices. But now that you know, now you're. You're a man, you're. You've got a family. You started a company called the Ambrosia Collective, which is supplement company. How did you transition to now becoming an entrepreneur? I mean, because it doesn't sound to me like you had a lot of entrepreneurial mentors in your life. Well, maybe you did.
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I was an entrepreneur before that. I was. I sold medicine that wasn't prescription, that was illegal at the time. Stuff that's actually legal now. Right. But I was a street pharmacist, as they would say. I like that with a successful enterprise, wholesaling stuff from Mexico to the east coast, you know, But I did that for a few years and I was good at it. So I always had. I've never fit into, like, working places. I never.
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Corporate.
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I would do it. I got to respect you. And I've had jobs before where I just didn't respect the people. It's not enough money, right? So it just never fit. That never worked for me. I always. I always did my own thing, right? One thing about being a black man in this country is we start out not feeling like we belong, right? So we start out feeling like, well, this system ain't for me, so I'm going to do my own thing anyway. So I think that benefited me to a great. A high degree because I've always done my own thing. Now I got out of that life because it wasn't legal, right? And I put my energy in legal things and supplements came up. Like, I had a supplement company before that. But Sean and I. Me and Sean and one more partner, we met through just different industry events and we became friends. And one time we was. Well, I watched Limitless, right?
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I was like, ah, I love that movie.
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You gotta make something like that. So we sought out to. Our first product, actually is called Mental Jewels, is a nootropic. We just wanted to make the most powerful, the best nootropic on the market. And we did because we Studied the best ones that were there at the time and we outdid them. You know, we didn't sacrifice quality at all. It was actually, we had a lot of debate going back and forth because, you know, the, the ingredients that we source were very expensive. The testing we do is expensive, but we wanted to make it affordable for people. So it's an ultra premium product at a, just a premium rate.
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Is this, is this a part of your, like, what's it, what's a, what's a typical morning routine for you? Is this a part of your morning routine? Like walk me through waking up until like 10:00am oh, all right.
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My morning routine is this. I get up around 4:45, 5:00, I do my morning prayer, which is called Fajr. And then after that I sit and I go through my life list. Because this is a very important thing for me is to write out exactly what I want at the time. So I go through that list. It's in my head. I've written it out, but it's in my head.
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This allows you to visualize it. Right?
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I start visualizing it very specific. Then as I begin my day, I align every decision in action with everything on that list. So from there I'm off to the gym, train, cardio, sauna, shower, then I'm at my office, probably at the office around 9, 9:30, and then I begin my day.
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Okay, so that's, but now you're ready though. You're, you're switched on. But so where does, where do, where do some of the Brosa Collective supplements come into play? Are you, are you taking nootropics before you hit the office? What's your basic supplement?
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I got you? Okay, so I, I love this. I eat once a day in the evening.
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Wow. You maintain this muscle mass even once a day? There was a rumor that you're a vegan too.
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I, I, I ate a vegan diet for like two years just a few years ago. But I like meat.
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I do too.
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I tried it, but yeah, you know, it was cool. But testing blood work, you know, I was healthier. I mean, before I was eating a lot, I was 250. Right. So that, and then I went to like, I was eating meat every other day, testing blood work, and it was the same. So it wasn't like veganism made me healthier, it was me restricting my calories to a degree. And, you know, just a healthy lifestyle made me healthy.
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I would absolutely agree with that.
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So, and I like meat. And you cannot get the amount of quality Nutrients that you could get in salmon or bison without. Right. And I found that doing the vegan thing, it was too many weird foods that were super processed that I didn't really know what it was so true to, to get that dense amount of protein.
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I think the whole notion that because it's not meat, it's healthy, I think that's, that's the problem. I, I don't have anything necessarily against veganism or vegetarianism, but when you just make the assumption that because it's not red meat, it's healthy, I mean, if you ever read the ingredients on a nun burger or like a Beyond burger.
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Yeah.
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I mean you got to be a pharmacist.
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It's weird.
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And you're, you're a pharmacist, so.
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And I don't approve of that.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But now I like meat.
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So do I.
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But anyway, so, so first thing I, first thing I drink when I in the morning is a product called Nectar. It's a superfoods product. It's 13 ingredients in it. So you, you know when people have those little pill boxes with all the pills, we have all of that in one product that tastes really good.
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I got one of the spill boxes.
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So yeah, oh, see, I got you, I got a care package for you.
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Okay.
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So I do nectar and then at, while I'm training, we have a product called Hydroglyph that is a hydration product. But it's more than just hydration. Right. We have amino acids in it and we have HMB in it. We have, you know, we have ingredients in it that, because we're big on fasting and, or at least intermittent fasting and we don't want people to lose muscle mass. So it's. Preserving muscle mass is increasing amino acids, increasing muscle protein synthesis and hydrating you to a high degree and kind of like keeping the hunger off. So I do that train, train, train. And then at the office I'll have a shake. We have the top plant based protein in the country.
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Right on.
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Yeah. So I have a glass of plants, I just drink it with water because it tastes that good. And as I'm starting my day, I'm sipping on mental jewels, which is the nootropic.
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Okay.
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Right. So that's pretty much my, so this.
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This, this was your, this was your, your, your foundation. Was this the first real company that in the supplement industry? Because then you have Trifecta Nutrition, which.
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Is, I have, I had a company before it was a way smaller company. Wasn't this level of quality as far as what we had, I didn't have a team like that, but it did me well financially. But it wasn't like a legacy thing. You know, we were limited in what, what we had access to at the time. So when I got, you know, you just get with people who have different expertise and we put our brains together, you know, because that was just me back then. So we, with Ambrosia, we took it to a whole nother level. So, yeah, this is like the first big real thing. This is my passion. This is a passion project that actually ended up becoming very lucrative and became a big company. We didn't expect that at all. We just didn't want to lose money. You know, when you see a big.
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Company, like how many employees you got?
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I mean, what do we have? About 20?
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Right on.
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Yeah. Okay, so it's a thing. It's his own ecosystem. I mean, when you have.
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And how do you sell? Is it online through retail stores?
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I mean, we have a lot of different sales channels online. Amazon, Vitamin Shop Sprouts, gnc, Hy Vee. We're everywhere. Okay. Yeah. Ambrosia Collective. So it's just moving rapidly. Right. And it's not like we have this over the top marketing strategies. People love the product.
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Well, I mean, you're. You. The best thing for any product is to be good. Yes. For it to be good and actually make an impact. And then you. And then you're going to have a massive referral base. And I'm a big believer in that too. And the majority of my clients come from other clients that, that I work with. I mean, I think that's the, that's the biggest hallmark of success when you're not selling your product. People that. People that are on your.
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And see, I'm glad that we're here. Like we're sitting in council with each other because the spirit of our company is like biohacking. Right?
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Yeah.
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We were some of the first people in our space talking about biohacking and we got a lot of flack for it. Right? Oh, trust me.
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I was talking about 10 years ago.
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We don't. We don't care.
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Charlatan.
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Well, we don't care, so. And our people see that we're in this for like real optimization of health. Right. Our products are very hard to sell because there's a lot of explaining, you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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But we figured out how to deliver these messages to people letting them know exactly how effective this is and, you know, how to optimize yourself properly. And it's not just about supplements, It's a lifestyle. We're talking about training, we're talking about meditation, we're talking about fasting. So we care about the people that patronize our business. So we're not just shoving supplements.
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So you're creating community.
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100%.
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Yeah, I truly believe in that. I mean, I, I actually think that the, and I'm not a marketing expert by any means, but from what I've seen in the last several years being in this business is that I think that the days of the, you know, the influencer are numbered. I think people that are not building a true community and servicing a true community, they're not actually adding value. I think that people are so picky, their attention span is so short that if you are not adding value to their life, I don't care if you're a red carpet, a list celebrity, you're not going to maintain their attention nor gain their trust so that you can just carte blanche, say, wear this skirt, drink this water, take this supplement.
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You know, well, there's proof to what you're saying. There's people like Floyd Mayweather. There's people, there's many big name celebrities that have tried to come out with supplements and products and no one cared. Yeah, because they could tell. There's no passion in it, there's no authenticity. Correct.
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Yeah, you know, it's, it's really interesting. I've done a number of stage talks on this and there are even some studies in, you know, the Spain scale of emotion, the scale of positive and negative emotion, and there are even some studies that look at frequency leaving the human body and the frequency of emotion. If you believe in the universal law of attraction, which I do, you know, and most, most of my audience does, is that the most powerful emotion, the most attractive emotion. I don't mean attractive in, in like an intimate sense. I just mean the most attractive emotion in a human being is, is the, is the frequency of authenticity. And I think when we talk about people's intuition, you know, like my wife is very sensitive. Like she'll, she'll meet somebody and she'll be like, you know, I don't know about that guy, you know, or she meets somebody, gets a really good feeling. In the vast majority of the time, she's right. And when I look at the actual science behind that, there's science that says that the more authentic a person is, believes what they're saying is truthful with their words, then the more attractive they are to other people. And I think that goes back to this whole idea of building a community because it's a community. You have to earn people's trust by giving value. Now you've earned their trust and they're probably still skeptical for a while and you put them on a product or a service, it starts to work for them. But now you've, you, you've, you've formulated the magic sauce, you're being authentic to your community, you're providing value and now they're going to do the same for you. Hap B is an award winning digital wellness company and we invite you to join us in transforming the way people rest, renew and focus. The goal is to help people take control of how they sleep, how they feel and how they perform, all without taking drugs, supplements or high caffeine energy drinks. The neuroscientists at Hap B have created a set of mood enhancing programs. They're called vibes. So each vibe uses ultra low frequency signals to mimic the effects of relaxants or stimulants in the body. When the brain detects these signals, it reacts as if you're actually taking the substance, giving you all the benefits without the downsides. So it puts you in control of how you want to feel, when you want to feel it naturally with no chemicals, pills or side effects. Just select a vive on the happy app and let the soothing electromagnetic waves wash over your body. At Hap B, we believe a more rested world is a better world. It's time to change the vibe. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. I love also that you've layered on nutrition, you know, because I think this is the, I don't think that you can exercise your way around a bad diet. I don't think you can supplement your way around lack of sleep. I think the foundation for our success, which it sounds like you've mastered, is, you know, first of all, self care, you know, the sleep, nutrition, exercise. But now you've, you've layered in trifecta.
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Right.
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And this is a meal prep company. This is.
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A
Yes, sir.
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You prepare healthy meals.
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Yeah. So this was a good friend of mine is the founder. His name is Greg Connolly. This is a, we've been friends forever and Greg has been, you know, he's a bonafide entrepreneur, super good guy and he's been, you know, just trying, trying, trying with so many different things for so long. And then with trifecta heater at Grand Slam. So it was the first like, I guess you, I don't want to say gourmet, but maybe gourmet style of meal Prep, delivery, like really premium options. Grass fed farm, you know, not farm raised, organic, you know, and delivered in 24 hours, fresh, not frozen. And it just went crazy. I was the very first check on, on the.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah.
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B
So it's great.
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A
And it's a $300 million company now, so wow, things worked out.
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B
That's awesome. And you know, I get behind a lot of like grass fed, grass finished farms. I actually try to buy local. We have a little Amish farm, a little place called Southwest Ranches right in Miami. And I go there and get raw milks, grass fed, grass finished meats, pasture raised eggs, free range chickens. And I can tell like when we travel. First of all, I love coming to L. A because there's an erewhon. So the team goes to erewhon. We stock up beforehand here.
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A
About 10 grand in there, right?
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B
Yeah, 10 grand. You get four meals, right? They're really good meals.
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A
Oh yeah, for sure.
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It'll feed a family of four for about six hours. But, but, but I, but I prioritize those ingredients over everything. It's like, you know, I spend my money on biohacking devices and, and I certainly did not grow up wealthy, but now that I've had some financial success, I'm like, why would I, why would I start a car collection when I can actually start a biohacking collection?
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A
I get it.
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B
You know, that Ferrari is not gonna serve your cellular biology.
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A
I get it. No, I get it. But speaking about community, cause you brought that up, and it's interesting because we started an official community called the sacred society last year. And I fell in love with it. I fell in love with the interaction with the people. Right. There's no barrier between them and I. So in every week, you know, I prepare a lecture and I'm with them every week. I don't miss.
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B
And you're intentional about preparing.
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A
It's my favorite part of the week. Every Thursday is a really busy day for me. Every Thursday. Cause that's when I'm all in with the community. But I'm preparing for it throughout the week with all the other things going on. And it's the most, I mean, just going back and forth with them and then, you know, having accountability calls with them individually. It's just so rewarding, right?
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B
Yeah.
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And this, and I think this falls into that Maslow's hierarchy of knees, that self actualization. It's like, this is what I'm here for. It's not the car. Look, I've been through all of that buying the cars. You Know, all of the things I don't. That doesn't is meaningless to me. Right. This is what I love.
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B
Yeah.
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A
All right. This.
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B
I feel you so much because I have a VIP community called Just VIP Ultimate Humans. I get energy from this community. You know, when I get on Zoom calls, I'm, like, lit up. You know, I call it my drug of choice. And. And when I give feedback from the community, it fires me up. And so that whole, like, give without the expectation of 100. When it. When. When you see the lives impacted, somebody thanks you for changing their life, and they really mean it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I don't know that there's a greater compliment.
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A
I love sitting in the trenches with them, trying to figure out the problems, just come up with a solution. You got this. And sometimes it's just a little bit of encouragement, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Nah, but you got. I'm certain you got this. Right? Cause, you know, people have been programmed a bad program most of their lives, and they typically never had somebody sitting with them like, hey, you fucking up right now. Let's fix this. I'm not. I'm here with you. We're gonna fix this. They don't really have that from someone that really gives a shit about them. You know what I mean? So in. The programming in this country is bad. You know, I always tell people, divorce yourself from this culture because it's not conducive to a good life.
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B
Right, Right.
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A
It's conducive to stifling your creativity, your real power, you know? But we got so much. People got so much power. So incredible. We were just talking earlier about technology, like TVs and cell phones. This came from a human mind.
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B
Mm.
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A
So I'll look at my community. I'm like, look, people like, y'all did this.
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B
Yeah.
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What you gonna do? You know what I mean? So. But people don't grow up thinking these things. Just, like, I look at my daughter, and I try to learn from her. Right? Because she has a robust, fertile imagination. Right. Whereas as an adult, we have this stringent. That's not rational.
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B
We do. Yeah.
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A
But we gotta, like, devoid ourselves of that to a degree and have that. Adults need to think like children with a lot of things limitless. Right. We can do anything. I can do anything. Right. And then we'll add a little discipline to it when we're starting to formulate these ideas, but we gotta think creatively like children. And it's interesting because, not to get off subject, but, like, you look at, like, things like religion, when they teach you, like, original Sin, you're born sinners. I'm like, no, these, the, the closest thing to divinity is a child, is a baby. They're pure, they're perfect, they're holy. So stop telling people that. Stop programming people that they're born bad people. Learn bad people are born pure and holy. Right. And it's our duty to protect them and keep them like that as long as possible and to try to be like them as well. That's how you really tap into that God energy.
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B
You know, it's really interesting. I went to dinner last night with very successful entrepreneur and doctor named Dr. Peter Diamantes, and he was talking about this abundance, 360 that he's created with all these thought leaders. And it's about how to shatter these thoughts of incrementality. Like, so say you, on an example you used was say you own, you know, an automotive manufacturer and your car gets 50 miles to the gallon. And you go to your engineering team and you go, listen, you guys got to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to get this car 55 miles to the gallon. He like, that's one thing. That's a mindset that most people can interpret and understand. But if you go to your engineering team and you say, I need this to get 500 miles to the gallon.
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A
Yes.
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B
Then what forces them to do is scrap all of their. Because there's so much efficiency you can get from the tires and maybe upgrading the fuel and you know, but now you've got to go completely back to the drawing board and, and, and reset your entire way of thinking. And, and, and I think this is where you get the Jeff Bezos and the, and the Elon Musk and the, in the real, the real thought leaders that innovated something, you know, incredible. There's lots of other thought leaders, but I think a lot of these ideas come out of communities like what, what you're building. It's like you actually challenge people to solve their own problem and they become motivated and passionate beyond anything they, they, they ever thought. So, so where does this go for you? I mean, you. Fitness, lifestyle, nutrition, supplementation, you know, you're building a community. You know, what's, what's down the road for you? I mean, what's, what's Mike Rashid's ultimate goal?
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A
Well, right now I'm in the process of building a compound in Dubai, right. Moving the family there, but also growing the Ambrosia collective to a higher degree as well as sacred society. Me being in different markets is going to open me up to just more people, more opportunities, opportunity in the Middle east right now. So that's part of it. But also I've moved into the peptide space as well.
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B
Oh, huge fan of peptides.
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A
Yeah. So just expanding in things. All things wellness, all things biohacking, all things optimizing one's complete being. You mentioned something earlier that I wanted to touch on about the physical and the mental. I don't see a separation. It's all. It's all here, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So. And one thing leads the other. They benefit each other. Right. So start. And my found the foundation is gonna be physical fitness training and nutrition off the top.
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B
It has to be off the top.
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A
You're not gonna have. And I was talking to the community last night. Cause we were talking about success. And I'm like, listen, when your mind is healthy, you're gonna be successful because you will define what success is. Y'all right now, y'all looking at Instagram for success, people with cars and this. When your mind is healthy, you're going to define what success is, and you're going to have success. You'll be successful. So that's what I'm on. Right. I used to be the guy that wanted to have every single car do this, do that, whatever. I have zero regards for any of that now. Right. I'm trying to fortify myself spiritually, fortify my relationships with the people that I love, because really, that's all that I care about, people I love. And from there it goes to the community and everything else. So, you know, I'm walking this life, you know, really with my eyes closed, filling the walls, because I'm moving into new spaces right now and I'm excited about it.
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B
Yeah. And most people have a fear of the unknown. I think that comes from our childhood. And we have a fear of the unknown. And it paralyzes us and it keeps us, I think, very often in mediocrity for. For decades. Because people are afraid to fail in front of their peers or in front of their families or in front of their co workers or from their colleagues. And I think fear is so it can be a motivator, but it can also be paralyzing to you. So you start touch on spirituality. Where does faith fall into this for you?
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A
What is faith? What does that mean to me?
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B
It's a belief in something, you know, higher than yourself. It's also a belief in a common purpose. It's a belief in delayed gratification that maybe this life is temporary, we're headed to a better place. You know, it's. You know, I believe that faith is very often missing component in people's lives and they try to replace it with all kinds of things. They seek dopamine, rewarding behavior, which sometimes can be healthy, workaholic work, alic sometimes could be negative. Drugs and alcohol, promiscuity, gambling. Not all. Not all addictions are necessarily negative. But I think that that behavior is driven by that spiritual hole that's left in people. That's my sincere belief. But where does that fall for you?
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A
Yeah, well, I am, first of all.
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B
What does it mean to you? And then where does it fall?
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A
Yeah, I am a Muslim. And when I said earlier I've been working on fortifying myself spiritually, that's just me rededicating myself to my faith, my religion, because the principles of my religion, it just aligns with me perfectly, right? You know, praying five times a day, fasting in the holy month of Ramadan. You know, just me actively trying to be a nicer person to people and being more charitable in regards to everyone that I deal with. So that is my faith, right. I'm not a person of belief because I'd rather know things. Right. Whereas a belief is one attaching themselves to a notion or idea without really having evidence. Right. Or I'm all right with saying I don't understand or I don't get it. I don't know. But I'd rather know what I attach myself to, you know? And, you know, I put a lot on me. Like, I put the responsibility of me having a life that I wanna have on myself.
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B
Right.
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A
You know?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So we were talking about prayer earlier on the drive up here. And I appreciate him so much. This is my guy. Because we always have fruitful conversations, you know, when we have a minute, you know, a drive or sauna or something like that. And I always get so much from it. But we were talking and we get to, like, really hash out thoughts and ideas, you know what I mean? Just flesh them out. You might have a notion of something, but sometimes you need to bounce it off somebody like that. And that's what Sean is for me.
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B
And you need to bounce it off of. You know, they say you need three friends in your life. You know, the ride or die. That's when you call two in the morning when something's wrong. You need the confidant that you can confide anything to. And it stays. It stays there. But then you also need, you know, the truth teller, the one that kind of calls you out on your nonsense. Not kind of you need to hear not what you.
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A
Well, I need somebody to be direct.
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B
Yeah, it sounds like. Sounds like you're having a lot of directions on. In conversations. But I think that that's where. That's where things really take shape for people. Because, you know, my. One of my former mentors and one of the wealthiest people I've ever known told me, you know, you show me the five people you hang around, and I'll tell you exactly where you're going to be in. In five years. And. And I said, you can predict half a decade in advance just from the people. The five people that are in my inner circle. He said, absolutely, beyond a shadow of doubt, with 99 accuracy. And. And. And I said, well, what matters in those five people? And he went through those characteristics, and then he also. He said, if you don't have that rock in your life, whether it's your relative, whether it's your business partner, whether it's your best friend who doesn't get you, let you get away with not being true to yourself in foolishness, then. Then that's. That's where the. That's where the hole in the ship's gonna come. That's where the water's gonna enter. So that's.
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A
I got a question for you, or this is fascinating to me, your ascension into this career. Right. It was insurance, correct.
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B
That was a mortality accident.
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A
And you were identifying, all right, these people are not gonna live but so long. And you said, you know what? We need to, like, let people know. So you broke away from the insurance company to start doing what you're doing now.
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B
That's right.
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A
I think that's incredible.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Because that doesn't sound like a money play.
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B
It was absolutely not a money play. And. And I took. It was devastating to me and my wife financially.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, financially, it was the worst decision we ever made in the first few years. It put an enormous amount of strain on our family. You know, my kids came out of private school, public school, which I'm not. I'm not trying to say woe is me. My kids weren't in private school, but.
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A
But that is a woe is me. Because public school system is just not. It's not. It.
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B
Yeah, it's broken. And, you know, we sold our primary residence to make payroll because my wife, who's, you know, very frugal and very organized and was keeping the books for us, was. Came home one day and she was like, listen, you have a decision to make. And she's like, I'm not. I'M paralyzed. I can't make this decision. But we have 90 days until we are either going to miss the payroll or we're going to miss, we're going to miss the mortgage payment. And you got to decide. We pay in the employees or we're paying the mortgage. It was a very easy decision for me. I was like, we got to sell a house because we're not. Nobody's ever going to work for me. And get two weeks or 30 days in. And then I tell them at the end of 30 days of hard work that they're not getting paid, that I'm shutting the doors. I'd rather catch up my employees and then, and then shut the doors. I had so much conviction in what we were doing. I knew we were on the side of Right.
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A
Right.
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B
Like, and I, you know, you talk about visualization. I could only visualize that, that, that outcome. And to me, it was already there. So it didn't, didn't stress me out at all. I didn't, I didn't actually feel any, any stress from the financial burden. I didn't like the way that it was impacting the family went from four cars to one car, and you got three kids and they're in different schools and you got one car and you're shuttling around. It's just chaos. But that sincere conviction and in the outcome, that destination was so vivid in my mind that I was like, that's so impressive.
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A
Like, I respect that. Thank you.
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B
Yeah, that's kind of you, man.
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A
And it doesn't surprise. It's like, no, yeah, no, you wasn't.
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B
People look now and they're like, man, you blew up overnight. I'm like, no, no, no. I, I had a really slow curve for 22 years and then a hockey sticks bike. But it started a long time ago.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Wasn't a success overnight. And, and, and look, I, I think you fall into the same. You know, people would call it a grinder, you know, because, you know, it's, I think that you have to be fixated on something in the future and you have to be able to visualize the future. For me, I've learned to be very intentional. Like, before I sat down for this podcast, you know, I went around the corner before you guys got here. I just did a few rounds of breathwork and I was like, what's my intention in this podcast? And my intention is I want my audience to get to know this guy. Like, I'm getting to know you now, but I want my audience to get to know you. Through the questions that I'm asking and us being real and. And you know, I. I actually visualize a podcast. I visualize our conversation going well. I visualize my. My audience picking up on it and going, wow, I would have never guessed you had them all. But that was. That was an awesome podcast. I took two, three things away from that and.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so I'm very intentional that way.
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A
Right, Right. Yeah. I love that episode with you and Russell Brand. That was so good.
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B
Yes.
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A
Yeah, it was. That was so good.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I talked about getting saved 24 years ago. Yeah. And that was a big moment in, in my life too. And I don't impose.
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A
Wait, did I say his name right? Russell.
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B
Russell Brand. He's a certified wild man, that guy.
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A
I get it.
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B
I had this weightless vest, weighted vest, and he was. He was shirtless. He's running around my house, like, barefoot. Yeah, barefoot.
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A
We were like.
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B
He had his kids over and his kids are playing with my nieces and we're chasing each other around. We jumped them jumping in the cold plunge. We got in the sauna and then my team's like, we gotta run this podcast. So he just put the weighted vest on, no shirt, and just sat down in the podcast room and rocked it. There's something to be said for just that level of brazen authenticity, you know, and I appreciate. I say this all the time because my dad used to say it all the time growing up. He's like, if you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing. So if you're afraid of who you are to the outside world, then I don't think that life's really going to amount to much for you.
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A
A wise man once said, I rather die enormous than live dormant. Yeah, you know, I get true. I get it. I'd rather go out in a blaze of fire than just have this long, mundane, boring four year career.
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B
Yeah, get the plaque in the T shirt. You know, right off into the sunset. What if you could wake up each morning full of energy, focused and ready to conquer anything life throws at you? It's not just a dream, guys. It's the reality waiting for you. In the ultimate morning Challenge, I'm inviting you to join my live, three day free guided challenge to reprogram your mornings for peak performance. It's completely free. And over these three days. Days, I'll show you how to harness simple science backed rituals like hydration, grounding, breathwork, and more that are going to transform your mornings and truly transform your life. These are the exact methods I'VE used to help CEOs, pro athletes, and thousands of others reclaim their energy, their focus, and their momentum. The Challenge kicks off February 19, and it's completely free. Like all of my challenges, I'm inviting some of my top celebrity guests on. You'll have direct communication with them. So join now at morning.theultimate human.com. that's morning.theultimate human.com and let's change our lives together. Now, let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. So back to where this goes for you. In an ideal world, you're building a compound in. In. In Dubai. And when you say building the compounds, it's going to be a community.
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A
Yeah, community. A neighborhood.
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B
Okay. We'll keep an eye on it. It's the next Waco, Texas, coming in. No, I'm just kidding.
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A
You know, maybe. I'm not saying I'm just kidding. No, not that.
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B
If I see you start arming up in there, dude.
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A
I'm going to that side of the world to not arm up. Yeah, no, you don't need Dubai. And I don't like it. Yeah, I don't want. I don't like this.
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B
I don't either.
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A
There's nothing for me here. Right. I think this is a great nation. Great. Not good. Right? We live in a, you know, in a world in which you can't criticize anything, especially the system in which is enslaving people. Like, capitalism is run amok. How is it that the number one killer in this country is food? Yes. Right. If food is a bullet, the gun is heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and cancer. And the finger pulling it is food. Right?
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B
Yes.
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A
It's so crazy. We've weaponized and turned food into a drug.
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B
We absolutely have. Man, you are preaching.
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A
Alcohol is legal. Cigarettes is legal. It's like, what are we really talking about?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, there's capitalism and politics, lobbying candidates. There's capitalism and, you know, the criminal justice. The criminal system. No justice. Right. Yeah.
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B
We profit.
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A
Capitalism and education. Like, what are we really doing? When you're 18, you're getting credit card offers. What are we doing? So I don't want nothing here. I'm good. I'm good.
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B
Well, when you think about we profit off of incarceration, we profit immensely from foreign wars. We profit immensely from medicine, disease. It's not so much that we profit from medicine is we actually profit from the chronic disease that requires the medicine.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, we profit from the theory that, you know, disease is genetically inherited. Because if I can get you to believe that you inherited a disease, then I can easily get you to subscribe to a lifetime application. We've gotten. We've lost so much faith in mankind, humanity, you know, the body's ability to heal itself, the power that this has over this, and, and, and the divinity of God, in my opinion, that we automatically assume that what man makes us is greater than what God gave us. And by that I mean, if we just got back to not bathing our cellular biology in the toxic soup and trying to solve those consequences with chemicals and synthetics, and we got more just back to the basics, which is a lot of. I don't want to turn this into my podcast because it's yours, but, you know, I. I believe that a lot of what has happened in our society is we've just gotten further and further and further away from the basics. Right, exactly what you're talking about. Nutrition, exercise, mindset, community.
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A
Right.
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B
And. And what's interesting is the research supports this. You look at the blue zones, right? What did you find in the blue zones? Well, there wasn't any continuity in diets.
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Whole foods, sense of purpose and community, friendships. Yeah, they don't talk about that. That should be medicine. Just like music is medicine, right? Yeah, my. You know, it's. It's like medicine to them is only what they could put in a bottle and charge you every 30 days, which you go run out of every 30 days. So in 2020, I experimented with LSD. Psychedelics. Right. I'm not a drug guy, and I never did drugs all my life. I did it at that little period of time, but I did a lot of research before trying it. Right. And you know, the research that I saw, and based on my experience, my very first experience with it, I got angry at that. Angry at the government for lying.
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B
Yeah.
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A
They had this as a Schedule 1 drug. Highly addictive, no therapeutic or medicinal benefits. What do you talk is not addictive at all. The therapy is. It was created for therapy for one. Right. It was created to get people off of illicit drugs, alcohol, smoking, so on and so forth. And it also was created for people who, you know, the pharmaceutical medication for depression and anxiety and so on and so forth wasn't working. So you did two days of intensive therapy with that, two heroic doses, back to back, no symptoms for six months. Right. Now, I wasn't depressed or anything like that, but when I did my journey, I was just a nicer person for a minute. Like I was a lot lighter, a lot brighter, and is nothing in it made me want to keep doing it.
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B
You weren't addicted years. Right. I think that's the same way with a lot of nootropics. And you know, for me, the jury's still out because I haven't finished conclusively reading all the research. But I think there's a lot of promise in things, you know, like medicinal mushrooms, not for tripping, but for improving cognitive function. I think that, you know, we have an endocannabinoid system in the body. We can look at endocannabinoids. I mean, the, I, I don't think that anything is necessarily off the table, especially if it's been put through rigorous, you know, clinical trials.
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A
Right.
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B
I think sometimes we make enormous leaps in science. You know, people will say, cows eat grass. Cows have a lot of muscle, we should eat grass. It's like sometimes we draw these conclusions that, yeah, you know, that aren't, that aren't linear. They don't make logical scientific sense. But I, one of the things I'm most excited about with this Make America Healthy Again movement is that I think the government is going to be a lot more receptive to non pharmaceutical, non chemical interventions and, and actually going back again to the basics. Diet, lifestyle, spiritual, well being, sense of community. When was, you know, the last time that your doctor said, wow, your blood pressure's high and your thyroid's a mess, your cortisol is elevated, you got to get stress out of your life. And so, okay, Mike, well, you just need to get stress out of your life. So what does that mean? Like get a divorce, stop talking to my kids and quit my job. Because that's where the stress comes from. It's not practical. Like if, if, if we were armed to give people really good advice, hey, build a community. Find a, find a circle of like minded people. Get the toxic relationships out of your life, things that you could actually do, you know, that would benefit you and reduce your stress. Because I would bet that if I looked at your life from the outside in and be like, okay, he's running these companies, he's moving to Dubai, he's got a family, he's got three kids on board. You know, he comes from a, you know, a colored background. He's, you know, now he's iconic in this space. You, you've got a community that you're building. You got a lot going on. So from the outside in you'd say this guy should be really stressed out. And you know what's amazing is some of the busiest people I've ever known, including myself, are not stressed at all because they love what they're doing because they found that community, they found that purpose. And I think there's a lot more meaning in that in terms of its impact on people's health.
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A
I want to touch on something that you spoke about, though, because the skeptic in me cannot just let this slide.
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B
Okay.
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A
About our government. Right? Make America healthy. That sounds great. I know everything they always say sounds great. And I have to look at the leadership. Y'all are fat, Y'all are overweight, Y'all are stressed. Y'all don't. They don't.
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B
Oh, Bobby Kennedy's pretty thick, okay?
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A
He's the only one. But it's like, these people are not involved in anything of a spiritual nature. It doesn't seem true, you know, it seems power, money, aggression. So it's like, they say these things. I want people to look, I'm not a political guy at all. I don't care who's. Whatever, but don't wait on them and don't rely on them. We should be doing these things already, regardless. I don't care if they're them saying it is cool. But as far as, like, anybody I know, we. This is welcome to the party type. You know what I'm saying?
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B
Exactly. We've been here a long time.
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A
Like, no shit, right? So people, you know, dig, dig in. Today is the youngest you will ever be. So start getting crazy about your nutrition, your. Your training, your meditation, your community, all of that. Do that now.
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B
I agree with you.
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A
Don't wait. Right. So, yeah, I'm not waiting on no initiatives from anybody. From. Yeah, it's just. To me, it's just.
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B
I'm not waiting either.
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A
They just. They sound good. They got to say these things.
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B
What's. What's exciting to me is the potential to affect public policy, because right now I've reached millions of people, which has had an amazing impact, and I'm going to continue to do that. You've probably reached millions of people, but sometimes, you know, my. My message is not making it down to the mass.
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A
I get you.
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B
Right. And the possibility that we could potentially affect public policy is very intoxicating to me from the standpoint of making an impact.
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A
And what would that look like, though, the public policy side of this kind of lifestyle?
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B
So the public policy side would look like somebody having the intestinal fortitude to stop pharma from advertising directly to the consumer. Not so that they don't advertise to the consumer, but so they don't control the media narrative. Looking at corruption in our you know, system of the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and National Institute of Health. And where are they getting their funding from? And is funding for public policy coming from private industry? In other words, if the food industry is funding food studies that set our public policy, this is how you end up with a food pyramid that Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass fed steak. And to me that's that, that is the greatest oxymoron of all time because the majority of the population, as they probably should, was going to trust our government. You know, you, you drop your kid off at public school in the morning, you're usually not worried about what's going to happen to your kid because you trust that that school system has the best interest of your kid at heart. They're going to educate them the best they can, they're going to keep them safe and they're going to get back in the car with you that night and things are going to go well. That might not necessarily be the case.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so I either think you remain silent and in my opinion become a part of the problem or you speak up and at least try to do something. And because you can't do everything doesn't mean you shouldn't do something. You know, like I'm disappointed in our agricultural secretary that was just hired because she was the president of the Seed Oil Society, which I think is, is the root of, of a lot of inflammatory conditions and whatnot. But I'm not, I'm not like, well, they did that. I'm, I'm done. No, I'm still going to do whatever I can to, you know, get the word out and, and have a minor amount of influence that could have a massive impact. And I have nothing financially to gain. I have nothing to sell into this system. I have nothing to, to benefit from that system. You know, I don't want the government to buy my product or service and distribute it to people. I just think if you look at your eulogy virtues when, when the sun sets on this lifetime, you know, what do you want people to say about you and what kind of impact were you going to make? And so I want to do everything I can.
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A
Well, I disagree with you on one thing, okay? Your message is getting downstream, right? So it's just a matter of time before things hit a tipping point for anybody, right? But that if it hits a tipping point or not, that's not important. What's important is, listen, I learned about this hydrogen water at Dave by the owner of my kids school at his house, that's you. This is your thing, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So, you know, the message is there you're effective is getting out now when it comes to policy, I just have a hard time believing that they're going to deny these billions of dollars or these hundreds of millions of dollars from big pharma from who helped them get to where they are now. And let's not get it twisted, both sides, the Republican, Democrat is.
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B
Oh, I don't think it's two wings.
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A
On the same bird. Right. Their daddies are the same people. Right. On both sides. It's just whoever wins now, you know, that's the gateway for business for these entities. So I just want people to have a realistic expectation about what's to come. Don't be bummed out if nothing changes. Because for things that change that mean a lot of people are not going to be making money. Right. And they're not. They don't play about their money.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know what I mean? These big level billionaires, these industry, the cigarette industry, the food industry, they don't play about their money. So I don't see that like anybody shutting any of that down, you know.
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B
Yeah. I don't see as that is a reason to not try. And you may very well be right.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But I'll find out the hard way in that I'll give as much effort and time and energy to that as I can. And I think one of the things I see shifting is that, you know, if you what elected the last president was it was circumventing the media and going through social media platforms, podcasts and stage talks.
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A
Indeed.
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B
And, and I'm not saying I'm not, I'm not making, you know, an argument for one side or the other. What I'm saying is I think that there's a, there's an opportunity for messages to tap the masses without going through the standard media filter channels, which in my opinion.
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A
Well, well I think that is the way that messages. That's the only way is that's the.
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B
Way you and I are building our businesses now.
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A
Correct, Correct.
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B
Right.
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A
And making our impact use on the biggest media outlet that there is. Joe Rogan.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know what I mean?
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B
That was amazing.
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A
So, yeah. So this, this is mainstream media. Social media is the new media.
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B
Yeah.
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A
We should stop taking the social frustrates a lot. We should take the social off of it. Just call the media. I mean look at every, every news. Boring news. Dude, they got a little YouTube thing now. Yeah, you can check out our YouTube thing. You know what I'm saying, it's so true. Give me a.
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B
Like, you know what's cool, too, is that people can be ultra selective. Like, when I turn on the news, I don't have a choice over what's being streamed. Right. They're going to talk about, you know, the fires in Los Angeles or the latest going on in the political arena or the last football game. Well, I might not care about football and I might not watch soccer, but I'm going to have to sit through that. Whereas now with the. With the new, you know, media platforms, they can say, man, I like this guy's message. I'm going to select in to follow him or follow Gary. I like what Gary's saying, what he's doing, and they. So people opt in to get that information, and they get a lot of condensed information in a narrow area where you, like, fashion, you're following this person.
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A
And, you know, that's the beauty of it. But. All right, Gary, what do you think about this? Here's the thing. People are consuming information, whether it seems meaningful or not. A lot of it is just entertainment to them. Right. Even if it's. I know people that study for years, whatever, you. You pick a thing, and they're not going to execute. They're just going to keep watching podcasts on that particular topic. Right. So we were talking about this the other day, like, it just seemed like nothing matters. Because if a person has a specific bias towards or against something, all the logic and rationale in the world is not going to change their mind. And who cares? They don't care. They don't care about the truth. Right. They don't want to hear your evidence if you present very compelling evidence. Well, I don't trust that source. Right. So it's like, it's kind of like disheartening to even try to have some of these discussions in the macro.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because it seems like people just. I don't know, maybe it's so much information, Right. Information overload to where people are desensitized to things. I mean, listen, we had, like, a couple of weeks of congressional hearings about aliens, and nobody cares. You know what I'm saying? It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Non, human, biological. Even if it's bullshit, let's get to the bottom of this. Right?
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B
Right.
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A
Nobody gives a shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I'm like, look, I'm blown away about so many things, but it's like, we can't have these conversations because nobody cares.
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B
I think to an extent, you're right. But I think it goes back to the God helps those who help themselves. Meaning you have to put a message out to the world. It's going to land on receptive ears for people that are going to take action. It's going to land on skeptical ears, people that are going to attack you, and it's going to land on ears that just completely fall deaf on. Still doesn't mean that you don't put the message out. You know, one of the interesting things I've found about just being so consistent and so intentional, you know, just like having a podcast, it's. It. I don't think a lot of people realize what a commitment it is. You have to turn out content every single week, and it's got to be entertaining and it's got to serve your audience, and it's got to create value or you will lose listeners. And, and, and I also turn out something called a podcast short, which I release every Thursday. So it's eight very large pieces of content that you have to turn out then that's got to be chopped and edited and, and translated into other languages, and the words got to be put on, and it's got to be, you know, you have to make sizzle reels to grab people's attention. I mean, it's. It's a production, and it's a serious commitment. What I've found is, I'm starting to find. I mean, I found plenty of skeptics.
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A
Right.
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B
Attack me online. Probably got people doing the same thing with you. Right. And I think you have to look past that and, and say, I'm still gonna hammer this message because I believe in it so much, and I've seen that community grow, you know, I mean, we had 28 million impressions.
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A
I'm not saying that that's. I'm. I'm. My heels are dug in to do the work. I'm here for it. You know, it's just a little bit disheartening, that's all I'm saying. You know how aloof it seems some people are. You want to shake them, not caring, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, so that's all, you know, it's just. It's just like, yeah, I want to shake people every now and then.
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B
Yeah, I ain't gonna hit. The shit that bothers me is that as soon as you become successful messaging by the mere success that you've succeeded or had some kind of financial benefit from it, that automatically makes it nefarious. And I don't believe that at all. And that's that. Because I desperately try to give people low or zero cost choices. And I don't want to be known as the person that only works with celebrities or a listers or rich people. I want to be known as the one trying to make an impact on, on the masses. But some people are so myopic and, and they'll just, they don't realize that I wasn't an overnight success. And I'm still as committed to my message now as I was back then, that nobody just knew who I was back then. And the connection that somehow success means you must be doing something nefarious as.
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A
Yeah, well, you know what that is. Sigmund Freud called that slave morality versus master morality. Right? So if you look at it so one who embodies the master morality podcast.
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B
By the way, like I forgot who's interviewing who, but this is going really well.
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A
One who embodies a master morality. You know, they're confident, they're shooting for the stars, so on and so forth. These are the leaders and the kings and the entrepreneurs and people who are shifting society. And then the slave morality is this. Now there's two types of master moralities, though. There's one that keep the slave morality, slave mentality. They keep them there. What they do is they peddle division. They pedal fear, they pedal. You never be anything, you're a sinner. Like that kind of energy. Right. Then you have another master morality where I think I fall under, where we're trying to educate those who have a slave morality to get out of that. Right. You know, there is no SO one with a slave morality. With a true slave morality. They find oppression to be where the ethics are. Right. It's like they stand against, they stand for nothing. They stand against everything. Right? So anybody that's rich, that's powerful, they're evil, they're bad, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So. And they don't look at them. They believe things like, I think it's a quote in the culture of Christianity because it's not real Christianity. They say it's easier to go through the eye of for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven. Why? Why? Who came up with that?
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B
Yeah, who came up with that?
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A
It's nonsense, right? So if a person is oppressed, one of the wealthiest people, if a person is oppressed in history, reading the Bible, that is a temporary condition. Let's get out of that. Let's get out of that. We're not sitting here. It's temporary and that right there should fuel you to be successful, fuel you to be great, to never be there again. So the one who embodies a slave morality, everything is evil. They're not even gonna try, right? And, you know, you gotta, like, look at life for what it is. Like, it's like we all want the same things, but y'all are acting like y'all hate it on this side because you're not here, but you're not here yet. You can get here if you try. Yeah, don't hate me. Ask me questions.
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B
Exactly. Like, what do they say? Like, you know, everybody enjoys the view. Very few people enjoy the climb. And it's. It's very true. You know, a former mentor of mine said, lots of people want to do what I do, but no one wants to do what I've done. And I think that's. You know, I think that's so true. They don't see the struggle. They only see the outcome. And.
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A
And there's so much beauty and the. The grind to the top.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's how you get strong.
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B
It's such a. Best switch it for. If you brought my family so tight together, you know, having my kids in the hunt with us, it brought Sage and I, my wife, you know, we. We were boyfriend and girlfriend, and we're fiance, and. And then we were husband and wife, and. And. And I think in some ways, the greatest relationships are the ones that go through everything that's meant to tear them apart and they survived.
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A
That's testing your mettle.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's like we're supposed to go through this, and now let's.
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B
It doesn't seem like that when you're in it.
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A
But look, I look at life like this. Like anything of character, right? Friendship or whatever is for those hard times, right? I wait. I'm sitting here patiently for the day that one of my friends need a kidney. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I got it. I can't wait to show you or whomever. Listen, character is developed in hard times when everything is good, the money's up, everybody's happy, it's easy to be a nice person. Then how are you gonna act when you're being attacked from all areas? Right? How are you gonna act when you lose your job, you lose your girlfriend, whatever, right? So that's when you have to develop and display character, and that's when it matters not when everything is smooth and copacetic, and people gotta understand that and get fired up when those hard times come. Like, all right, now I'm Gonna step it up. This is my time to shine.
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B
Yeah, I love that man. So this has been amazing, by the way. Much, much better than I even thought, because I like to get philosophical on things, but we're going to move into my VIP Ultimate Human community. Before we do that, I. I ask all of my guests the same question, okay? And there's no right or wrong answer to this question. You watch my podcast. Maybe you're ready for it. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?
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A
Ultimate human is to be a God of oneself, right? So if I am my own God, that means I am in control of my destiny in a real way, right? So I can't blame anything or anybody on my shortcomings, right? Because once I blame them, then they control me. They're my God, and I'll never do that. But I don't have shortcomings because I don't get sick, I don't lose. Like, all of the negative things does not apply to me. Why? Because I create my own reality. And that's what gods do. They create things. Right? All existence is only in existence because we are conscious of it. That means we create our reality. Okay? When you start looking deeper into things, consciousness is the precursor to creation, to all things. If someone's behind you, making faces at you and you don't know it, they're not there, it's not a reality of yours, right? So I am my own God. So I control everything in my existence. My health, my finances, my mindset, my, you know, my everything. I. Look, my destiny is based on the decisions that I make. So that's being the ultimate. And also being the ultimate is this. I know that there's a day that's going to come when this is not going to be any use anymore.
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B
Yes.
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A
So what does that mean? I'm gonna go hard to the fucking paint until I get there. You know what I'm saying? I'm maxing out. I'm maxing out. I'd rather die at 50 as a legend than to be a hundred. This boring old man, like, nothing about him. I'm with you on that. So I tell my people, like, yo, when I get to a certain point when I'm not useful, take me out to the desert. I'm writing it down. I'm writing it down. Y'all have my permission, you know what I'm saying? So that's. That's maxing out like. Like understanding that death, like what we call death, I don't even think that's a bad thing. But the word is death is we have to name things, right? Should be a motivator to live to the fullest every fucking day.
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B
Yeah. Nobody gets out of this thing alive.
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A
So max it out. Be ultimate.
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B
That is amazing. Well, if you're interested in becoming a VIP Ultimate Human, you can go over to theultimatehuman.com and sign up to be a VIP. Mike and I are gonna move move into the VIP chat right now and do some direct one on one questions. But until next time, guys, that's just science.