147. Lara Trump: The MAHA Movement And What It Means for Your Family’s Health

Summary

Podcast Summary: Episode 147 - Lara Trump: The MAHA Movement And What It Means for Your Family’s Health

The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka features an in-depth conversation with Lara Trump, focusing on her advocacy for health, wellness, and the MAHA (Making America Healthy Again) Movement. The discussion delves into the challenges of raising healthy families, the impact of current political dynamics on public health, and Lara's personal journey in media and wellness.

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1. Introduction to Lara Trump and Her Advocacy

[00:00] Lara Trump: "We are the richest nation in the world and for some reason, we seem to be the sickest nation in the world. It's not about politics. It's about making America healthy again."

Gary Brecka introduces Lara Trump, highlighting her role as the host of My View with Lara Trump, a prominent TV show that has garnered significant viewership, surpassing major networks like CNN and MSNBC. Lara's dedication to health and wellness is underscored, emphasizing her mission to transform public health discourse.

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2. The MAHA Movement: Goals and Impact

[05:04] Gary Brecka: "The fact that two men from polar opposite ends of the spectrum would meet under the guise of really making America healthy again is one of the greatest political happenings of our time."

Lara elaborates on the MAHA Movement, advocating for transparency in public health and exposing detrimental practices within the food supply and nutritional research. She emphasizes that MAHA is non-partisan, focusing solely on health improvement rather than political agendas.

[07:22] Lara Trump: "Why are we the richest nation in the world and for some reason, we seem to be the sickest nation in the world?"

The movement aims to provide Americans with information and options to make informed health decisions, challenging the status quo of processed foods in schools and the prevalence of chronic diseases like diabetes and metabolic syndrome.

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3. Raising Healthy Families Amid Modern Challenges

[14:33] Gary Brecka: "Talk a little bit about how you're raising younger, healthier kids and inspiring them to do the right things when there's so much negative messaging around them."

Lara shares her strategies for parenting in an era dominated by digital distractions. With children aged five and seven, she emphasizes the importance of limiting screen time, encouraging outdoor activities, and enrolling her kids in sports like Jiu Jitsu to foster discipline, respect, and physical health.

[16:38] Lara Trump: "I'm the worst. But I would say that I always go back to the analogy of sort of what we hear in the airplane, which is that whenever there's an emergency situation, you want to put your mask on first before you assist others."

She discusses the balance between self-care and parental responsibilities, advocating for routines that prioritize personal health to better support her family.

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4. Lara Trump's Journey in Media and Public Health Advocacy

[38:02] Lara Trump: "I try to do it three days a week. Every day, though, I do try to fit in some form of exercise."

Transitioning from her role in the Republican National Committee to media, Lara discusses her decision to host her own show, My View, after initially declining the RNC co-chair position. Her show aims to provide deeper insights into public figures and movements like MAHA, offering viewers a comprehensive understanding beyond political rhetoric.

[39:09] Lara Trump: "I want to approach things a little differently, and I want people to see the folks whose names are splashed across their television and headlines every day, but really get to know who they are to a certain extent."

This section highlights her commitment to delivering authentic and informative content, focusing on health and wellness topics that resonate with a broad audience.

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5. The Intersection of Healthcare and Public Policy

[48:48] Lara Trump: "I think it's hard for some people to think outside the box. And you know, that they were taught, which is like, okay, for this, we do this, there's just a direct line of, and there's no ability to think outside of that."

Gary and Lara discuss the flaws in the current U.S. healthcare system, particularly the emphasis on treating symptoms rather than preventing diseases through lifestyle changes. They advocate for integrating functional and lifestyle medicine into public healthcare policies, reducing reliance on pharmaceuticals, and promoting holistic health practices.

[54:12] Lara Trump: "I'm trying to get deeper into that and really expose people to my view of those things."

Lara stresses the importance of informed consent and empowering individuals with knowledge about what they consume, from food additives to environmental toxins, to make healthier choices.

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6. Influences of Political Leadership on Health and Global Affairs

[68:27] Gary Brecka: "Do you think your father in law is going to be successful there?"

The conversation shifts to the influence of political leadership, specifically Donald Trump’s presidency, on both domestic health policies and international conflicts like the Russia-Ukraine situation. Lara expresses confidence in Donald Trump's ability to reduce unnecessary conflicts and focus on improving America's health infrastructure.

[70:06] Lara Trump: "I think he's the anti-war president. He was working on what would have been a bit of a different exit from Afghanistan."

They explore the concept of the "industrial war complex" and how both conflict and chronic disease are profit centers for certain industries, arguing for a shift towards preventive healthcare and peace-focused policies.

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7. Personal Reflections and Closing Thoughts

[72:32] Gary Brecka: "What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?"

Lara reflects on the concept of being the "ultimate human," defining it as achieving a balance across various life aspects—health, family, social life, and personal growth. She emphasizes continuous striving rather than perfection, inspiring listeners to pursue holistic well-being.

[73:26] Lara Trump: "I think the ultimate human is someone who can balance it all."

Gary concludes by highlighting the importance of informed health choices and expressing hope for the future impact of movements like MAHA. He encourages listeners to seek balance and prioritize their health to achieve their full potential.

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Notable Quotes

• Lara Trump [00:00]: "We are the richest nation in the world and for some reason, we seem to be the sickest nation in the world. It's not about politics. It's about making America healthy again."

• Gary Brecka [05:04]: "The fact that two men from polar opposite ends of the spectrum would meet under the guise of really making America healthy again is one of the greatest political happenings of our time."

• Lara Trump [07:22]: "Why are we the richest nation in the world and for some reason, we seem to be the sickest nation in the world?"

• Lara Trump [14:33]: "I'm the worst. But I would say that I always go back to the analogy of sort of what we hear in the airplane, which is that whenever there's an emergency situation, you want to put your mask on first before you assist others."

• Lara Trump [38:02]: "I try to do it three days a week. Every day, though, I do try to fit in some form of exercise."

• Lara Trump [48:48]: "I think it's hard for some people to think outside the box. And, you know, that they were taught, which is like, okay, for this, we do this, there's just a direct line of, and there's no ability to think outside of that."

• Lara Trump [70:06]: "I think he's the anti-war president. He was working on what would have been a bit of a different exit from Afghanistan."

• Lara Trump [72:32]: "I think the ultimate human is someone who can balance it all."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Ultimate Human offers valuable insights into the intersection of health, politics, and personal well-being through Lara Trump's perspective. The discussion underscores the necessity of preventive healthcare, informed consumer choices, and balanced living to foster a healthier society. Lara’s commitment to the MAHA Movement and her role in media exemplify her dedication to transforming public health narratives and empowering individuals to achieve their fullest potential.

For more information on Gary Brecka and Lara Trump, follow them on their respective social media platforms and tune into My View on Fox every Saturday night at 9 PM.

Transcript

[Lara Trump]

We are the richest nation in the world and for some reason, we seem to be the sickest nation in the world. It's not about politics. It's about making America healthy again. It's about exposing people to what's been going on.

[Gary Brecker]

The biggest hope coming from this message is the impact that it's going to have on generations because it's going to affect our kids.

[Lara Trump]

I want to be the one to do whatever it is for my kid. Gosh, how much easier would it be if you could feel great about sending your kid to school and having the school lunch there, not poisoning them?

[Gary Brecker]

When you look at this statistics for kids, young adults 77 don't qualify for military service because of poor metabolic health.

[Lara Trump]

The whole goal with making America healthy again is to give people options, more information for you, the American consumer, so that you can make your own decisions and lead a healthier life if that's what you want to do.

[Gary Brecker]

Do you think that there is ever a day where you see public health care potentially covering lifestyle changes, exercise, meditation?

[Lara Trump]

I really hope so, because being sick is a symptom.

[Gary Brecker]

Ultimate Human. Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. Today we have an incredibly special guest, someone who's making waves in media, politics and the wellness space. She's the host of My View with Lara Trump. So I guess I just gave it away right there. It's a powerhouse program that's dominating cable television. Just last week, her show was the most watched program of the weekend. Trump drawing in almost two and a half million viewers, surpassing CNN and MSNBC and even college basketball and espn. Featuring guests like the Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt, and Attorney General Pam Bondi, she's delivering must watch conversations that are reshaping the media. Beyond her media success, she's also a passionate advocate for health, wellness and fitness, particularly when it comes to nutrition, raising active children. She's also well known as the wife of Eric Trump, son of our 47th president, Donald Trump. But today we're here to dive deeper beyond politics and headlines to talk about the values, habits and disciplines that shape her life. We are incredibly lucky to have her with us today. Please welcome to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

[Lara Trump]

Lara Trump with our black and white ensembles.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, we didn't even plan it.

[Lara Trump]

We really didn't, but great minds, you know what they said?

[Gary Brecker]

She goes, I got the memo. And I was like, yeah, me too.

[Lara Trump]

I know.

[Gary Brecker]

And we got our weighted vests on.

[Lara Trump]

I know. This is an added benefit. We're cold because we did a cold plunge, and we're burning calories because we're wearing our weighted vest, so it's going great.

[Gary Brecker]

I, I, yeah, it's going great so far. And we had a whole food lunch before came in here, so.

[Lara Trump]

Amazing.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, she is completely on my bandwagon, that's for sure. You know, we, she got to the unit, we filmed an episode of her show, and then we walked around and just did a massive amount of biohacking. I was, I was actually really psyched that you were getting the cold plunge.

[Lara Trump]

Absolutely. But I told you, I do a cold plunge on my own. But mine is, like, 2 degrees colder than yours, which you told me isn't wholly necessary, so maybe we can.

[Gary Brecker]

Well, I had to say that to protect my manhood. I couldn't be like, oh, yours is 2 degrees colder than mine. You know, there's a scientific reason why mine is.

[Lara Trump]

We had to get done. Yes, yes. But it was awesome. What a fun day.

[Gary Brecker]

What a fun day.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

I'm so excited to have you on the podcast. You know, I know a lot about you. I've known you and Eric for a long time, and, uh, we've been at a lot of UFC fights together, events together. Um, I found out a fun little fact about you. Oh, interesting fun fact. You are a bakery chef.

[Lara Trump]

Oh, yeah. I went to culinary school. I'm a pastry chef, technically. Yeah, well, you know what? It's funny because I graduated from college and this is a time like, I graduated in 2005 not to age myself. Oh, my God. I was the youngest ever to graduate. But, But I graduated at a time where the job market wasn't great. And I left college and I found that I was kind of doing odd jobs. I was a waitress, I was a bartender, I was a part time personal trainer doing all these different things. And I was also very interested in cooking and baking, and I would watch, like, the Food Network all the time.

[Gary Brecker]

I just thought it was so random.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah. And so it's one of those funny things where I said, I feel like I want to get out of Wilmington, North Carolina, my hometown, and move somewhere else. And culinary school in New York City was the way I got out, and I, I validated my choice to drive alone to New York to move to a place I, I knew no one who, you know, where. I'd only been to visit, like, once or twice ever in my life by going to culinary school. So technically, I'm a pastry chef, too. Don't ask Eric Trump when I bake him.

[Gary Brecker]

I was gonna Say, does Eric.

[Lara Trump]

Oh, my.

[Gary Brecker]

I mean, I don't know if this is good for my Maha movement that we're gonna talk about today.

[Lara Trump]

This is pre Maha. Okay. This is pre Maha. This is a long time ago, but. But it's fun. You know, what I loved about it was actually the artistic nature of it because there is an artistry in baking. It's very cooking. You can sprinkle a little of this, little of that. There's a precision and an artistry and how beautifully you present your pastries.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, I totally believe that. In speaking of Maha, we covered a lot of Maha on your show. My audience is super fired up about this. You know, the, the. The fact that two. Two men from polar opposite ends of the spectrum, you know, political spectrum, would meet under the guise of really making America healthy again, to me, I think is one of the greatest political happenings of our time.

[Lara Trump]

Absolutely.

[Gary Brecker]

I really do. And I find it just so odd that anyone could be on the opposite side of that coin. You know, highest rates of childhood cancer in recorded history, the corruption in our food supply and our nutritional research, and that people still find a way to take issue with it. You're no stranger to do that kind of stuff.

[Lara Trump]

You don't say. Yeah, no. By the way, I think you're right. I think we are. We're insane. Such an incredible time in the history of our country. And for me, look, obviously I have a certain proximity to it because of my last name, because I was the co chair of the Republican National Committee during the course of this past election. But just to be alive right now while we are seeing such huge shifts and changes in these spaces that I think are going to make us better off as. As humankind. And it's this moment right now where, to your point, you have RFK Jr. A Democrat. The Kennedy name is synonymous with the Democrat Party. You have Donald Trump, who very clearly is a Republican. They could not be on more different sides of the political aisle, but they have come together because now is the time that I think it's not about politics. It's about making America healthy again. It's about really exposing people to what's been going on. And, and you're seeing that happen in Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency, or within our government, all of our taxpayer dollars really, we don't really know where it goes. We're finding out now it's gone to a lot of bad causes and a lot of bad places and things that have nothing to do with America. Likewise, I think this, this ability we're going to have to tap into what really will make us healthy. Why is it that here in the United States of America we're supposed to be, we pride ourselves as being the best in the world at everything? Gary, why are we seeming to regress in a space? Why is it that we are the richest nation in the world and for some reason we seem to be the sickest nation in the world?

[Gary Brecker]

We are.

[Lara Trump]

Parents are like, I don't know, what am I feeding my kid every single day? Can I feel comfortable that I'm giving them food that will make them healthy and not sick? And I don't think people feel that way right now. I think they're very concerned about it all. So absolutely incredible. I think it's an awesome time to be alive too.

[Gary Brecker]

I do too.

[Lara Trump]

And to reap the benefits of everything going on.

[Gary Brecker]

I totally agree. And as someone who gets to peek behind the curtain, not just see the show, do you really feel that the administration has embraced this and they're really behind the Maha movement? Do you think that Bobby Kennedy is going to get the support and the resources that he needs from the administration? And do you see this actually going the distance and having real material change in public policy and really addressing some of the rampant corruption and food supply nutritional research, you know, we've got a food pyramid that says Lucky charms is more nutritious than grass fed's crazy of our kids diets, our pre pubescent teens diets is, is highly processed foods. I actually, my wife, right when we were getting on your show today, she stuck this breaking news announcement in front of me and it said, what was it? Arizona. Arizona passed a state law removing processed foods from the public school system.

[Lara Trump]

Wow, that's amazing. When I also saw that some fast food outlet also replaced their oil with beef tallow.

[Gary Brecker]

That's amazing.

[Lara Trump]

Like the movement is happening, the shift is happening. People are making these change. And your question, do I think that they're really bought into this 100%. The, the time we're in right now with Donald TRUMP as the 47th president, I think is so fascinating. And what I always say is I actually think it's better that he was president for, you know, two terms that were not consecutive, had he been president for eight years in a row. First of all, no one wanted that more than those of us in our family. We all worked for it for 2020. It is so much better that he is president now than it ever would have been had he won in 2020 and, and you know, remain president for the next four years. The ability we're going to have to shine a light in all the dark places is unlike anything I think this country has ever seen. And so whether it's within the federal government itself, within the bureaucracy that exists there, or whether it's within our, our general health care system, and I have to extend that out to our kids, our schools, like all of it. There's so much that needs to be exposed. And believe me, Donald Trump is absolutely bought into exposing all of it. Resetting things, making sure you as an American feel great about where you're sending your kid to school, what you're putting in your body, where your tax dollars are going. All of those things are happening simultaneously. It's incredible. And yeah, he's got the best partner in Bobby Kennedy to do it.

[Gary Brecker]

I couldn't agree with you more. It's a great time to be alive. I feel the momentum, I see the momentum and I pray that it, it continues. But why do you say that it. The, the eight year term with a four year break was better than an eight year term consecutively? What, you know, I noticed you said that break was probably the best thing is, was it because it gave people perspective? It's like, hey, this is how bad things can go and now we're having change or why that four year gap was so important.

[Lara Trump]

It was, it's a little bit of that. It's half, half that. I think, you know, sometimes you need to see the other side of things and the alternative for you to realize, you know, maybe what you had in some cases. But I would say for my father in law as a president, it's interesting because everyone knows he was not a politician before he came down the escalator and announced he was running for president in 2015. And so his first time in office, there was so much to learn. There was so much that he didn't expect. I think he thought, okay, I'm gonna win the presidency, I'm gonna go into the White House. Everyone will want the President to succeed because that means a successful America.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Lara Trump]

That did not happen. In case nobody noticed, few snakes came.

[Gary Brecker]

Out of the wood pile there.

[Lara Trump]

A little different. You know, he didn't have this ability to under, to really know he had to fill all of these positions within the federal government. And there were so many people working against him that were supposed to be working with him and for him.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

So that was an uphill battle initially. I think the American people are more clear eyed now looking at Donald Trump and, and looking at our country as a whole. Than they, they were in 2020. Maybe we had to go through Covid. Maybe it opened a lot of people's eyes. Maybe we had to go through Joe Biden being president. You know, war starting, inflation rising, open borders, all of these different things have made life tougher, sadly for a lot of people in this country. And so that coupled with the fact that he's. He's a different president now. And I always say it's funny because I think the first term he people were like, here's the mold of president and you got to fit directly into this mold.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

And now he's like, no, I don't need to fit into this mold. I'm going to fit everything around how I operate. And instead of operating the way people said he should, he's operating how he knows, which is as a CEO, Right. He's really like the CEO of America now, and he's operating it like a business. And so it's just, I think everything seems to be clicking right now. The team he has around him, Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, oh, they're amazing. These people who never, four years ago would have been part of the team, are on the team now. And it's to our benefit. And I think it's amazing.

[Gary Brecker]

I think it's amazing, too. And, you know, I think the biggest hope coming from this message is the impact that it's going to have on generations because it's going to affect our kids. You know, and when you look at the statistics for kids that, you know, young adults, 77% of our young military aged men and women don't qualify for military service because of poor metabolic health, you know, when you see the percentage of our nutritional research that's funded by private industry, when you see the conflicts of industry in our regulatory agencies going to work in private industry. And when you take this view, when you take a step back and you go from 30,000ft, we are privatizing the profits and we're socializing the expense, meaning the expense is dropping onto the taxpayer and the profit is going to private industry. And I am a capitalist, trust me. I mean, my, you know, I have a podcast, I sell things, earn money. I believe in our capitalistic system. But when capitalism is in charge of public policy, I think that's where things begin to go a little wrong. So for the moms and the dads out there, especially those that have younger children that are, you know, going into the public school system now, talk a little bit about how you're raising younger, healthier kids. I'VE heard you talk about social media, how you're filtering social media for them, or at least their, their contact with social media. I would love for you to talk about, you know, in your busy lifestyle, how are you raising healthy young kids and inspiring them to do the right things when there's so much negative messaging around them.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, well, I mean, I, I, maybe I'm a little bit lucky because mine are very young. They're five and seven. But that's old enough that they're, they're aware of the things that are out there. I mean, my son, my 7 year old asked me when he's gonna get a phone every day and I'm like, not for a long time, dude. Double your age at least. And then. Yeah, poor guy. Bless his heart, as we say in.

[Gary Brecker]

North Carolina, especially when the friends start getting them. Right.

[Lara Trump]

Well, that's the thing is, is a lot of my friends have older kids and so some of them actually have phones. Right. He's like, well, so and so's got a phone. I'm like, well, it's not you.

[Gary Brecker]

Well, it's not you.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, sucks to be you. It's hard. It's so hard. There's so much and it's so different than how I grew up and how so many of us grew up because we didn't have all of this stuff. For me, I also think I'm lucky because I live in Florida where I can use the old adage of I don't care what you do, just get outside. You can do something outside. Because that's what we like to do. With my kids, they're very active. They're obviously when they're in school, during the day, five days a week, when they're done with school, I get them in all kinds of activities. Both of my kids do Jiu Jitsu.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, amazing.

[Lara Trump]

Which for, for people who don't know Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for kids is incredible.

[Gary Brecker]

And how old are your kids?

[Lara Trump]

Five and seven.

[Gary Brecker]

Five and seven. Boy is older. Girls?

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, my, my five year old's a girl, my seven year old a boy. And they've both been doing Jiu Jitsu for maybe three years now. Yeah, awesome sport. But it's, it's actually great because not only does it teach you kind of body control and obviously self defense, but there's a respect aspect of it. You have to be respectful and cognizant of your, you know, the instructor and your coach and the people with whom you're fighting. Because it's all, it's all part of it. They, you know, basketball, football, soccer, gymnastics, we do all those things. And in my mind, I think back to when I was a kid, and I was very involved in sports and activities, and I actually think it kept me out of a lot of trouble. And same with my brother. I would say screen time they get. If they have a great day at school, 15 minutes a day.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Lara Trump]

That's it. And if they. If things are not perfect, then no screen. And people. Parents are always like, but my kid throws a fit. I'm like, okay, we'll take it away for a week. And. And the next time they start to throw a fit, you can remind them that you took it away for the week. It's. It's a bit of tough love. Yeah, for sure. But I think we're all trying to do our best with. With the kids these days, and I think we're all learning as we go because it's all so new.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

You know, this is a we. I feel like we're existing in a new space, and there isn't much to guide us. We're having to figure it out. But I know what worked for me. I know that, you know, sports, being outside, being away from. I remember my dad coming home when I was a kid and. And giving me the old, I don't care what you do, just get outside.

[Gary Brecker]

My parents were the same way.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

I was almost sort of not allowed in the house during the day. My parents would be like, what are you doing? Yeah. And there wasn't a lot out of here. Yeah. We didn't have screen time that. I think my generation is the last generation that's actually grown up without a cell phone, without connectivity, without iPads. And so we didn't know any different. And so my. The rule of thumb at my house was you had to be home by sundown. And my dad, Captain John Brecker, he had this booming voice, and he would go, Gary and I could be three acres away on a different farm. I grew up in a very rural area of America. I would start pedaling my bike home, but as the sun was coming down, that's when I had to come inside. Now. Now that now there's, like, parents that are, you know, department families and children investigating them because they let them ride their bike, you know, three blocks to.

[Lara Trump]

Oh, my God. It's insane.

[Gary Brecker]

You know, you read these stories and you're like, man, has society gone this rogue that we can't even let our kids play outside?

[Lara Trump]

This is the basics. Like you. I always want them doing active Things outside, away from. From screens. And I talked to so many of my friends and I'm like, what is your kid into thinking? They're gonna give me like a basketball answer.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

And they're like, what, what's the. I don't even know the game. It's one of these online games where you like hook up with other people in different places and. Oh, yeah, it's kind of Minecraft. Yeah. I don't even know one of these.

[Gary Brecker]

The other big one. Babe, my wife's off Fortnite.

[Lara Trump]

That's it? Yeah, that's it.

[Gary Brecker]

This is like phone a friend over here. I've got my wife.

[Lara Trump]

I don't even know what it's called, but I know they're. They're all doing it. And I'm like, God, it's just so different. And you think about the long term effects. What does that mean for these kids who are on a screen or looking at a screen hunched over and I don't know, think about the lack of.

[Gary Brecker]

Just human bonding and social interaction. And, you know, we talked about blue zones earlier where one of the continuity between blue zones was the sense of community, sense of purpose. How do you get a sense of community and purpose from a two dimensional screen? Right. I mean, it's. I still remember, like the heart palpitations I would get when you. When I would ask a girl back then was called go with me. To go with me. And you would. And I would write a note and then I would give it to my friend. And do you remember that?

[Lara Trump]

Yes. No, like circle one. Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

And then you would pass it to her. You would sit there like, what she's gonna do.

[Lara Trump]

And do they still do that?

[Gary Brecker]

No.

[Lara Trump]

Oh, that's.

[Gary Brecker]

You don't even have to ask someone to homecoming anymore. You just send them a text and then if they say no, you go, I didn't send text. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Lara Trump]

How about this one? How about when you used to have to call someone's house and ask for them on the phone? The parents pick up the phone and the parents pick up the.

[Gary Brecker]

I forgot that one.

[Lara Trump]

That's like a lost art. That's a lost thing. I remember my parents saying, okay, when you call someone's house and the mom or dad answers, you say, hello, Mr. And Mrs. Smith, this is Lara. May I please speak to Jessica? You know, like, there was a. There was a protocol you followed. No one does that anymore. Gary, do people even have phones at home anymore?

[Gary Brecker]

I don't think so. True. My dad was so much that way. Like, my friends wouldn't come over shake his. He was so big on shaking hands and eye contact. Eye contact and shaking hands. Maybe it was a military thing. So now I'm big on the same thing too. Like, he's like, never do business with a man with a weak hand.

[Lara Trump]

I mean, I feel like my father in law probably subscribes to the same thing.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, no, I've seen your father in law picks people up off the stage.

[Lara Trump]

Like, comes in hard on.

[Gary Brecker]

He comes in hard.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

It's almost like that's where the deal making starts. He's like, yeah, gotcha. You know, but he was, he was so big on just, you know, the basics, and I feel like a lot of that is just lost. And you know what's really interesting is in this crazy biohacking world that I'm involved in, you know, the anti aging and longevity research, bio optimization, whatever you want to call it, it's so fascinating that a lot of the, the, the biggest impacts on our longevity and, and our, and our mortality and our bio optimization are just those basics.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, right.

[Gary Brecker]

Like sunlight grounding. Like today we, you know, we, we ate before we came in here and you're like, this food is awesome.

[Lara Trump]

Food was delicious.

[Gary Brecker]

It was just whole eggs.

[Lara Trump]

It was like, imagine that.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Chicken sausage.

[Lara Trump]

You didn't use powdered eggs for this one.

[Gary Brecker]

No, I didn't.

[Lara Trump]

Is that so?

[Gary Brecker]

I knew you were coming. I was going to feed Laura Trump powdered eggs. At my biohacking palace, one of my favorite biohacks outside of Breathwork by far, is mineral salts, Baja gold sea salt. It's got all of the trace minerals that the body needs. You know, most of us are not just protein deficient, meaning amino acid deficient, or fatty acid deficient. We are mineral deficient. So a quarter teaspoon of this in water first thing in the morning will make sure that you get all of the essential minerals that you need. It tastes amazing. In fact, I made a steak today. I actually made a grass fed steak with grass fed butter. And I put just mushrooms and a little bit of rosemary, and I sprinkled Baja gold sea salt all over the top. Try it. It'll be your new favorite for cooking too. It's the cheapest and one of my favorite biohacks. I don't know, a 15 or $20 bag of this will probably last years. And it's literally the world's best biohacking secret. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. Another thing that is you know, I've got a growing female audience, and a lot of these young women are starting on their business journey, and very often they're starting their business journey with their spouse. And my wife and I, Sage, beautiful wife back there, you know, we started a business together 10 years ago and took over, basically, a bankrupt vitamin shop in a strip mall. And we started a business in there. And I just remember the struggle, the pressure on our relationship, the inability to separate business from pleasure. Right. People that tell you, by the way, that you can have a business with your spouse and separate your business from your personal life are flatly lying to you.

[Lara Trump]

Yep.

[Gary Brecker]

You have a great day at the office. You have a great day at home. You have a crappy day at office. You can have a crappy day at home. Yeah, but maybe not from a business perspective. But, you know, what you and Eric have gone through, I might even say suffered through as, As a couple, as parents, as public figures in the media, lots of, you know, some of which we actually talked about right before we got on here, much of it unjust. How did you keep that from trickling its way into your marriage? How do you keep the outside world from coming in and getting between your marriage, your kids, your parenting, your relationship with, with your husband? Because you guys speak about each other so fondly, and I, I know you behind the scenes, not just in front of the camera. And I, I, I think you're an amazing family. I think the world of your whole family.

[Lara Trump]

Thank you.

[Gary Brecker]

I've gotten to know so many of you. The amount of pressure, you know, it had to be a hundredfold what Sage and I went through. And sometimes I say, you know, the best relationships to me are the ones that actually go through all the things that are meant to tear you apart, and you're still there on the other side. But I wondered if you just give us some perspective on that.

[Lara Trump]

Well, I, I think whenever you are in those very high pressure situations that I hope most people never have to endure, but I think every, every family goes through something. We all have whatever it is, and I think that it's those moments that can either tear you or bring you closer together. And I think for us, it brought us closer together, actually, because when you feel like you're kind of alone and singled out and everyone seems to kind of be coming after you, you really turn to those people who are directly around you, who, you know, you can count on, who under, you know, very few, few people, thank God, who will ever understand the things that our family endured. But because of that not only did it bring me closer with Eric, you know, as a couple, but I think our whole family, it brought closer together, you know, because there, there is something that is very unique to feeling like you've been targeted.

[Gary Brecker]

Yes.

[Lara Trump]

And unfairly targeted. And to have so many lies told about all of you. Sometimes you just have to turn to one another and say, well, we know the truth and we know we'll get through this and we're here to support one another. And I, I really think that that's, that's what we all did. And I think, you know, coming out on the other side, we're all so much stronger for it. And, you know, I think about it a lot in terms of a workout analogy, really, which is that if you work out enough and you lift heavy weights and you do things that kind of hurt when you're doing them, you'll get a callus. But when you come back and you try to lift that weight again, the callus is there to protect you. And it actually allows you to do more than you could previously do. And so in some ways, maybe all of this has been a blessing in disguise. Because I look at my father in law and I look at specifically the person he's turned into as our 47th president. I don't know that he would have been as strong as he is right now if he hadn't endured all the things that he did. And I would say that for all of us.

[Gary Brecker]

So in some ways it's even, it's even a blessing. I mean, it's hard to look at things like that as a blessing in the moment.

[Lara Trump]

You don't look at him like that. Let me be very clear. You look at him like, this is terrible happening.

[Gary Brecker]

It's the injustice of just pure fabricated.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. Which is crazy. And most people out there just don't understand that just because you read something out there about someone on these obscure websites or news outlets, and I have to put that in air quotes because news outlets doesn't mean that it's actually true about them. But, you know, I think for all of us, we very quickly realize that the people whose opinions matter are the people who actually know us. And it's very easy to get, you know, behind a screen and feel safe and type something nasty about somebody. But I do think it's made all of us that much stronger.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, I mean, I, I think so too. And you know, particularly for women, you know, we know that if you look at statistics, you know, about 80, 82% of all autoimmune disease happens in, in women, happens in females. And you have to ask yourself, well, you know, autoimmune diseases are not gender specific. You know, they're not feminists, they're not racist. You know, why are so many of these conditions happening in women versus men? And what the data shows is that women have a more difficult time engaging in self care. They're very, they're generally more selfless. They're meant to, you know, bear children. So they become more selfless. They're, they spend a lot of their lives putting the needs of other people first. And very often they'll look at self care as being selfish. So talk a little bit about how you've been able to maintain fitness and health. Clearly it's a priority. I mean, this woman is jacked. I mean, she is. We went on the cold plunge and I'm like, I'm a little embarrassed here. Like she's jacked and tan and I'm like pale and not as jacked.

[Lara Trump]

Oh my God.

[Gary Brecker]

But it's got to be a big part of your life. And before you answer, you know, I just ran this challenge I had this morning routine challenge and I brought some really impactful people on. What was fascinating to me about all of them, Mark Wahlberg, Lauren Rentinger, Alexia Clark, you know, all these folks that came onto my, my challenge was they all prioritized their, their health and fitness and they found a way to fit it in.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

The majority of people are saying, I just don't have time for that.

[Lara Trump]

Well, you probably won't like my initial answer, which is I probably don't sleep as much as I should.

[Gary Brecker]

Okay.

[Lara Trump]

But I do actually. Let me ask you this. I'll ask you a question and then I answer your other one. Does everyone need the same amount of sleep?

[Gary Brecker]

No. See, I do not think that everyone needs the same amount of sleep. You know, there's quality of sleep and there's length of sleep. Right. I mean, REM sleep and deep sleep cycles are really, really important. But the specific time in bed, I mean, my wife will tell you I, I'm up. I was up at 4:30 this morning like a spring chicken.

[Lara Trump]

I know you were because I got a video of you working out.

[Gary Brecker]

I sent her a video of me working out in the hyperbaric chamber and then she text me back as me and her and Eric on a text thread and she was like, well, I'm just working out in a regular gym.

[Lara Trump]

I'm in a normal gym.

[Gary Brecker]

What normal gym equals normal, normal, human and I said, you deserve better. Aaron. Eric, just text back. I love this.

[Lara Trump]

So good. So. Okay, so I don't feel so bad. So. But I. I probably don't sleep enough, but look like, I think a lot of moms out there. There is so much that falls on us and we always feel responsible. I always feel like I want to be the one to do whatever it is for my kids. And I'm lucky that I can have people help me that I. Because I can't be in three or four places at one time. I have to outsource sometimes. But every opportunity I get, I'm. I'm there for my kids. I am typically the last one to go to sleep in my house. Really the first one to wake up in my house.

[Gary Brecker]

One of those people that bullies sleep.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, I know, it's. I'm the worst. But I would say that I always go back to the analogy of sort of what we hear in the airplane, which is that whenever there's an emergency situation, you want to put your mask on first before you assist others. If you can't take care of yourself and actually do right by you, you're going to be no good to anyone else. And anyone who's spent enough time around me will tell you, if I don't get a workout in on day two or three, I'm going to probably be miserable to be around. Ask Eric Trump.

[Gary Brecker]

Eric's like, that goes, babe, go to the gym, please.

[Lara Trump]

Somebody find her somewhere she can go for a run or. Um. But I think that once it. It works into your routine, and they say it takes two weeks to make a habit. Once it works into your routine, you get used to it and you need it. And for me, I need that. And. And sometimes that's the only time of the day I get left alone.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

It's the only time I'm not going to answer an email. I'm not. Whatever it is, I am focused on me. And even if it's a short amount of time, 30 minutes. I. I take that 30 minutes for me, because it's important I'm taking care of so that I can take care of everybody else.

[Gary Brecker]

And you fit this in in the morning.

[Lara Trump]

Usually it's got to be in the morning. Oh, my God. If I waited tonight to do any. Absolutely not. No.

[Gary Brecker]

It'd be like sleeping. It would just get bullied right out of your schedule. Yeah. So first thing you know, it's. It's interesting. I've always been told that I needed to learn to meditate. I do breath Work, you know, grounding. I do try to spend some time in stillness and silence, but I. I can't meditate. And I've even tried these people that take you on guided meditation.

[Lara Trump]

Wow.

[Gary Brecker]

And, you know, my wife and I, we went on this ayurvedic retreat. Do you remember that, babe? And it was like, nine days in the Boone, Carolina mountains. And that's a long time. Way too long. First of all, oh, my God.

[Lara Trump]

Nine days of anything.

[Gary Brecker]

By day four, I was like. I thought I was going to get hives because. Because one of. One of my sentences, I call it. And when they called it a treatment, but I felt like it was a sentence I had because I had attention deficit disorder. The. The yogi or whatever said, you sit in front of. You need to drink a quarter cup of ghee butter, and.

[Lara Trump]

Oh, my God.

[Gary Brecker]

And. And sit in front of this big bay window for three hours every day. I go, I'm paying for this. Like, what did we pay to be here at this boon when she goes.

[Lara Trump]

A lot.

[Gary Brecker]

We paid a lot of money to go to this thing. And so, like, day one, I was so fidgety. I was like, I'm literally gonna ask for my money back. Right? I mean, I paid to fly here.

[Lara Trump]

My husband would not surv this, by.

[Gary Brecker]

The way, and look out a window. But what was amazing was I sat there for three hours, and towards the end of the third hour, I started to, like, notice things out the window, like this little squirrel in the branches and this bird coming in, and there's some insects running up the tree. And then it finally ended, and I was like, thank God that's over. And then the next day, he was like, you have to do the same thing.

[Lara Trump]

Oh, my God.

[Gary Brecker]

And I was like, are you kidding me? And I literally text her mom, and I was like, can you put a Snickers bar in a FedEx package? Market feminine hygiene and FedEx IT. To me, this is a true story, isn't it? So second day, I'm sitting there, and I'm looking out the window, and I noticed the same squirrel, and I noticed the same bird. And then I noticed the insects coming up the tree, and I actually noticed that the bird and the squirrel kind of interacting. And then I watched him go through his little daily routine. I'm watching the bird build this nest, and I kind of actually got into it a little bit, this little scene that was unfolding. And when they came to get me, I thought it had been like, 30 or 40 minutes, and the whole three hours had gone by and the third day, I couldn't wait to get back there because I wanted to see what was going on. And it was just really interesting to me, that perspective of slowing down and just being present and you know, increasing your awareness. And I've never been able to do it through meditation, but through exercise. This is like an eerily good way to meditate.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Because you exercise intensely.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

You're wearing weighted vests right now.

[Lara Trump]

My weighted vest. This is not a fashion statement, by the way. This is, it is fashionable, but it's very fashionable.

[Gary Brecker]

But so talk a little bit about your morning routine because clearly you're a cold plunger and lots of women are afraid to start doing this. So what was your foray into cold plunging? What's your non negotiables in the morning? How does your morning go from when you get up until you're done your self care?

[Lara Trump]

Well, I will. Well, first I'll tell you my cold plunge journey is an interesting one because I'll give my husband full credit for introducing me to it. And I was like, I think a lot of women terrified of cold plunging. I was like, that sounds awful. Who on earth would shove their bodies and purposely in cold water? Freezing cold. Because I'm a person who operates generally a little chilled. Like I, I, if I can, I like to crank the heat up a little bit. I'm on, I run cold except at night. And I'm always hot at night. And I like that I'm doing the right things by bringing the temperature down in the room. But that said, my husband first started cold plunging. I don't remember who introduced him to it. And I was like, all right, how hard could this be? I'm just going to psych myself up and I'm going to go do it. And the first time I tried it, I probably lasted 15 seconds. And I thought it was gonna, Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

I thought it was gonna hyperventilate right then because you're. Yes, just though I'm almost, I know.

[Lara Trump]

You'Re almost through the bad part. And I, I felt like I couldn't breathe and I was gonna hyperventilate and die. And I was like, oh my God. Because that's your body's natural reaction to being in water that it knows it can't survive in. Clearly. So that happened. I gave it about a two month window of time and I started actually researching a little bit and doing my own kind of digging and seeing what was out there. And I was like, okay, so this makes sense that at 15 seconds I thought I was going to die in there. And I freaked out and got out. And so I finally went back and my husband at this time was doing like five minutes or something in the cold plunge. And I was like, God, okay, got to do this. And so I understood that if I just suffered through the first 20 seconds, it wasn't going to get worse than that. And I did.

[Gary Brecker]

What did you do? Just bite down and go. Or like. Mike, my wife plays positive affirmations.

[Lara Trump]

Oh, right.

[Gary Brecker]

Which I'll tell you a really funny story actually is she got in the cold punch this morning. And because you're coming here, obviously Secret Service is walking around. She didn't know. It's like 7:30 in the morning. This morning, Sage gets out of the sauna, she gets into the cold punch, and your Secret Service opens the door. There's this armed dude with the earpiece, sorry, ma'am. And she goes, don't mind me.

[Lara Trump]

Nothing to be here.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. She goes, that was the first. I don't think I've ever had Secret Service walking on me.

[Lara Trump]

But yeah, I mean, I just. I just got through it. And look, I have. I've been an athlete my whole life, so. An athlete, mine, you just tell yourself you're going to do something. So I got through it. And all of a sudden I'm like, at three minutes. And I was like, oh, well, this wasn't so bad after all.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

And then you get kind of addicted to it, and then you crave that feeling afterward because you feel amazing after you get out of a cold plunge today day. And so, I mean, look, I love doing that. Do I have time for it every day? No.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Lara Trump]

But I would say that I try to do it three days a week. Every day, though, I do try to fit in some form of exercise. And that's the. Generally the first thing I do. Now, sometimes I. It'll come after I get my kids to school, but most days it's very early, before anybody's up.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Lara Trump]

And I. I try to move my body. Some days it's weightlifting, some days it's CrossFit. Some days it's swimming, running. I do triathlons. I think you used to do triathlons. Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, I did.

[Lara Trump]

And so I. I just like to incorporate whatever the day will allow me. I have more time. I can fill it with an activity with exercise for sure. But sometimes it's 30 minutes.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

And I do whatever it is. And that is 100 necessary for my day.

[Gary Brecker]

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[Lara Trump]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Gary Brecker]

Wildly successful launch. Congratulations. Thank you very much. You know, how, how did this come about? I mean, was this always something that you wanted to do? Were you always, as an athlete, Were you always interested in media? Do you like being in front of the camera? Did you, I mean, you, you were chairman of the rnc. I mean, you, you've, you've had a lot of public Persona, you know, you know, in your career. But talk a little bit about the show. Like, how did it come about? Did FOX hit you up and like, hey, do you want your own show?

[Lara Trump]

Or hey, I mean, to a certain extent. So I worked for Fox. Gosh, how many years ago was it now? I worked for FOX from 2021, like January of 21 until November of 2022 when my father in law announced he was running for president again.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Lara Trump]

And, and I really enjoyed working there. And I was a contributor, which means I went on all the different shows. I didn't have my own show, but I was, you know, commentated and this, that and the other, and, and I really enjoyed it. And everybody treated me very nicely there. And then we had the election. We won the election. I had to decide exactly what my life was going to be on the other side of that election. I knew I didn't want to remain as RNC co chair. In fact, that was a job that initially I said no to.

[Gary Brecker]

Really?

[Lara Trump]

Oh, yeah. I mean, who wants to, who wants to be responsible for all of it during the most critical, heavy election of our lifetime.

[Gary Brecker]

Yes.

[Lara Trump]

My father in law called and asked me to do this job, like last January, asked if I would run for RNC co chair. And I immediately was like, no. I said, I was like, no.

[Gary Brecker]

People say no to djt.

[Lara Trump]

Well, listen, he called and asked me to do it, and I was like, you really think I'm the right person for this job? I've got these kids, I have all these other professionals, professional things I'm working on. I had a clothing line, I was a fitness clothing line. I was working on a documentary. I'm working on all these different things happening. And I was like, I don't, I don't think this is right for me. And he goes, okay, no pressure, it's gotta be you.

[Gary Brecker]

Impression is really good. Okay, no pressure, gotta be you.

[Lara Trump]

But, honey, you think about it, you let me know. And I was like, oh, my gosh. But it was really at night, tucking my kids in bed that night, I looked at my kids and I was like, like, you know, I never want to look back and say, what if? What if I would have said yes to this? What if I was, you know, the person in this role and it could have made a difference? And so obviously, we all know what happened. I ended up, I end up as RNC co chair. And, But I told my father in law, I said, I'm not going to stay there after the election. I will get us through this election.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

I will work as hard as I can to ensure integrity in our electoral process, fair election, all the things necessary. And then I'm, I'm gonna resign as co chair, which I did. And so then that laid out my next chapter. What am I gonna do? There was an open Senate seat here in the state of Florida.

[Gary Brecker]

And I actually remember this on Hannity.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Talking about this.

[Lara Trump]

And so Marco Rubio had been tapped to be Secretary of State. He's been a senator here in Florida for a long time, and his seat would be vacant. That seat is appointed and you know the person who fills it by the governor, Ron DeSantis. And I really seriously thought about that and a lot of people were pushing me to do that. And then I, I did get a call from Fox one day and it just had a nice chat. And in that midst of that chat, it was like, well, listen, if this is something you're interested in, we'd love to have you back. And I don't know, maybe, you know, we just talked and threw around ideas and, and it ended up that this is the path I chose. I'm very blessed. 9pm Every Saturday night, I have my own show, which is. Wow, Gary, it's crazy. Yeah, crazy.

[Gary Brecker]

It is so crazy. Do you ever look back? Like, sometimes. I kid you not. Like, I look around and I'm like, I feel like I'm living somebody else's life.

[Lara Trump]

How did I get here?

[Gary Brecker]

Like, somebody could literally show up in my condo one day and be like, bro, this was all a ruse. Out you go. And I'd be like, I knew it. Let me grab my.

[Lara Trump]

You know, I say this all the time. I'm like, what is going on here? I'll tell you, like, the wildest one. For me, the first show we had, which, thank you for pointing out, it was hugely successful. Almost two and a half million people tuned into it. But I was getting ready to go over and do these interviews with the press secretary, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Attorney General of the United States. And I am standing in the White House looking in a mirror, and I was like, oh, my God. I had this moment where I was like, how? What. How did this happen? Because I grew up, like, probably so many people in this country, and I. I could have never in my wildest dreams, guess, that I would do all of this. But the show itself is. Is different. It's different than anything else people will find on Fox News. The news cycle's nuts. It is crazy. Every day, 24 7. It's just constant, constant, constant. And so for me, I was like, you know, I'm a. I want to approach things a little differently, and I want people to see the folks whose names are splashed across their television and headlines every day, but really get to know who they are to a certain extent. And so you go a little bit deeper. And I want to do episodes on Maha. Making America healthier.

[Gary Brecker]

We're going to be your second episode.

[Lara Trump]

Yes, you're on my second episode.

[Gary Brecker]

Like, for me, that's one of those moments for you, like, looking in the mirror, I'm like, am I going to be Laura Trump's second episode?

[Lara Trump]

A lot of pressure. These are the things that are shaping our country and our world right now. These are the people and the. The movements that are changing the country. And I think it's very exciting. So I'm trying to get deeper into that and really expose people to my view of those things.

[Gary Brecker]

And are. Are you allowed to have some editorial control? I mean, or is it. Or.

[Lara Trump]

Absolutely.

[Gary Brecker]

Okay, so they're not just like, no, this is a hot topic. This is trending Right now, you can't talk about this. You can talk about that.

[Lara Trump]

What's. What's actually a little bit.

[Gary Brecker]

Because I always wonder if that's going on behind the scenes.

[Lara Trump]

Okay. Can I tell you. And this was actually nuts to me and a little bit scary for me. Whenever I first said we, you know, sat down after this was officially going to happen, I was going to have this show, they said, all right, what do you want your show to be about? And I was like, oh, so no one, like, tells me. I just decide this on my own. Okay. And they said, you know what? Whatever you want to do, we want you to do. The show has to be yours. That's why people are going to tune in. That's why people are going to want to watch. It's got to be yours. So you make it what you want. Which is a little bit scary for me because now.

[Gary Brecker]

Because now you're the person.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

You're like, I just got my own show. It's like the same thing with my podcast. You know, I determine who comes on, who doesn't come on. And. And you have to add value to the audience, of course. Right. And because you're really in service to them. Right. You don't own the podcast. The podcast owns you.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

And it's a commitment, you know, every single week. Every single. I mean, you. You have a. You have a date and time for the show, and you have to be prepared and you have to deliver a product.

[Lara Trump]

Right.

[Gary Brecker]

And you have to do it over and over and over again. And in a way, it's really inspiring and exciting, and in a way, it's terrifying.

[Lara Trump]

Terrifying.

[Gary Brecker]

And it's. I'm so happy to hear that you're terrified, too.

[Lara Trump]

I'm terrified most of the time. No, because, look, I. I obviously anything I put my name on, I want to give 110 to. I want to deliver a great product, whether it's as co chair of the RNC or whether it's as host of, you know, my own show on fox. And. And so it's been really amazing that they were just kind of like, yeah, whatever you want to do, just do it. And I was like, okay, so I'm doing it.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Yeah. And then when you ask for that and then you get it, and then you're like, oh, my God, I put together all this program, and then you got to start thinking about the guests that I put on and are they too controversial? Are they to this way or that way? I sort of shed that now. I think the. The Audience that follows me knows that we're just authentically in the pursuit of whatever makes you better, live longer, healthier, happier lives. Speaking of which, you know, getting sort of back to Maha for, for a moment, when we look at our, our healthcare system and, and, and the bloated amount of bureaucracy and spending that's going on and the inefficiency in keeping people healthy, you know, we're really good at, at emergency medicine, there are these terms like functional medicine, lifestyle medicine, and a lot of these don't have a place, they don't have a seat at the table in modern medicine right now. Lifestyle medicine would be things like we were talking about before the podcast, where, you know, if you're type 2 diabetic or you're morbidly over obese or you have a metabolic syndrome, conditions that we know can be reversed with dietary and lifestyle changes. And in other words, they're modifiable risk factors. They're in your control. And because there's no mechanism for a physician to get paid, it doesn't make the physician a bad person, but they have to make a living. But if you come in to see me and I'm your primary care and you're a little overweight, I'll bill you for an office visit. No, you know, I'll bill you for a script, maybe for Ozempic or Wagovi.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, they've also been taught that too.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

And I think it's hard for some people to think outside the box. And you know, that they were taught, which is like, okay, for this, we do this, there's just a direct line of, and there's no ability to think outside of that. I think for some physicians, not all of them, but for, for some. And I think it's easy to write a script for somebody. Right. It's not easy to sit somebody down and say, like, listen, if you really want to take your health seriously, if you really want to feel better for the rest of your life, then these are the changes you need to make. People always, you know, they want to just write something down and help me feel better right now.

[Gary Brecker]

Right. And, you know, and, and, and I think some of the pushback that I receive for being associated with Maha, and I'll just say I'm not officially in any kind of government role for ma. I don't work for the administration or have a role there other than I'm an enormous supporter and, and, and have committed my entire platform to helping get, get that message out. But, you know, one of the interesting pushbacks that, that I get is that you're going to take away all of our freedom of choices. And, and I think I know what my answer is to that. I would love to hear what your answer is to that. I mean, because I don't think the intention is we're going to tell people, stop smoking, stop drinking. You, you can't buy a vape pen, you can't drink a 2 liter soda if you want to drink a 2 liter soda. From my perspective, it's, it's, we're going to get the unnecessary poisons out of the food supply, which no one should disagree with.

[Lara Trump]

Right.

[Gary Brecker]

You know, if you're eating something and it's colored red and you can't taste the difference and one is poisonous and one is not, why are you fighting us getting, you know, the poisonous form of that die right out of the food system? I'm not telling you you can't eat cereal. Telling you probably shouldn't eat cereal if you want to be healthy. But so how, how do you fight that narrative? You, you fought a bunch of false narratives in your life. I feel like you have a PhD.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, we probably should have at this point. Point. You know, it's interesting because we live in this information age. You know, we have access via our phones, via computers, whatever it is, to anything we want to get at a, you know, a moment's notice. But it doesn't feel like we have all of the information when it comes to our health. It actually feels like a lot of times people have put blinders on us and said like, this is the only way you can look at it. You can't look over in this area and you can't look over there. It's just gotta be this one area. And I think the whole goal with making America healthy again is to give people options. No one wants to take anything away from you. If you want to go out and you want to smoke 12 packs a day, you're an American and you have that option to do it. What I think we want to do is give you the information. Okay. If you decide to smoke 12 packs a day, here's exactly what's going to happen to your body. Now when it comes to cigarettes, I think we already all know, but what we're talking about right now is informing people in terms of what is in their food, what it is that they're consuming, what is it that on a daily basis is impacting their health that they may not be aware of.

[Gary Brecker]

That's what I right now. Yeah.

[Lara Trump]

And, and I think that that's very important. Now, the things like, you know, fluoride in our water or having pesticides on everything that we ingest, those are things that I think all of us could probably agree if it's something that is making us less healthy and we have the ability, like the red dye.

[Gary Brecker]

Yes.

[Lara Trump]

To get it out of our food supply. I don't know how anyone argues against that. The goal with all of this is more information for you, the American consumer, the American citizen, so that you have actual informed consent. You can make your own decisions and lead a healthier life if that's what you want to do.

[Gary Brecker]

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[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

And they don't have a profit center based on disease. You know, here we make $110 billion a year on type 2 diabetes alone. So I think it's going to be hard to imagine a day where there's a meeting in a boardroom where they're going, hey, Stan, how do we get this $110 billion off the balance sheet? Right, right. And that's the main driver. But there's a thread moving through all of these conversations that I've been having. And it is that, that in a lot of ways they feel somewhat duped by western medicine and because they're realizing now that the ballooning cost of caring for chronically ill people, people that get really, really sick and die fast, are under drag on the system. It's those chronic conditions that just sort of linger. So you suffer for a lifetime period of time.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah, right.

[Gary Brecker]

I mean, you might die at 82, but you really started dying at 65. Right. And, and so their view is we're actually going to put in billions of dollars, tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions of dollars into this preventative system where we focus on wellness, we focus on healthy lifestyle habits, and we're actually subsidize some of these to push down this tail risk of expense that is coming. And you know, very superficially, it's a cost benefit analysis. I think the same thing could potentially happen here in the country. Yeah, but do you think that there is ever a day where you see Medicaid, Medicare, you know, public health care potentially covering things like, like diet and lifestyle changes, you know, exercise, meditation, peptides.

[Lara Trump]

I hope so. I really hope so. Because look, we, we have to shift the way we think in so many respects, which is that people wait until they get sick and then they want to treat the symptoms of being sick. Right. And being sick is a symptom of something else that's going on in your body. Right. If we can prevent the symptoms from ever occurring because we are leading healthier lifestyles, not only do we feel better all the time, but then the cost associated with treating those symptoms doesn't exist anymore. And so why wouldn't we want to front load things for ourselves and say we're going to have all around a healthier society because we're going to inform people in terms of actually what makes them healthy, actually, you know, altering their lifestyles so that they don't don't have to end up on these pharmaceuticals so that they don't have to end up in a hospital or a long term care facility one day. Gosh, what a great thing that would be for our country, Gary.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, but what's amazing is that, you know, there's this sort of underlying narrative developing that that that's bad or there's some subversive agenda there or there's some, you know, profit center that, that we're all trying to get to because you know, we, we're advocating for a healthier food system and I think they're all.

[Lara Trump]

I think there's always going to be that. Yeah, well, what I would, I would actually push back on that with the opposite way it's been going. And you can compare, there's a lot of comparisons that I can make between our federal government and our health care system, which is that there's a lot that's been going on that I don't think people are truly aware of. And I think the more information we're able to get out there, we're getting it through DOGE and our, you know, bureaucracy right now.

[Gary Brecker]

So scary.

[Lara Trump]

It's terrifying.

[Gary Brecker]

I mean, it really.

[Lara Trump]

And isn't it upsetting every single day to realize, oh my God, we've been paying $10 million for circumcisions in Ghana, we've been paying $15 million for Sesame street in Iraq. Like, think how is this impacting the United States in any way?

[Gary Brecker]

Mind numbing.

[Lara Trump]

It's crazy.

[Gary Brecker]

I mean, I actually know people and family members of employees of mine that were affected by the tornadoes in the Carolinas. And you know, some of them still don't have homes.

[Lara Trump]

Absolutely.

[Gary Brecker]

And that's, well, where did all the money go? And then, you know, again, this is usually not a political platform and I don't want to turn it into one, but when you start saying, well, where did all the money go? And then you find out some of the places this went to, these NGOs, these non, what do they call them, government organizational organizations. They were just essential, essentially fronts for a bunch of nonsense. And, and, and these people that are really hurting and they're really in need, are not getting, you know, they're not.

[Lara Trump]

Getting basic care that they pay into our tax system. They pay into, you know, you, you hope that as a law abiding citizen, you pay your taxes every April, you do the right things, you know, it's taken out of your paycheck, whatever it is, and then God forbid you ever need it, it's there for you in the form of fema. You know, it's, it's actually working to improve your life or improve the school system in your area, whatever it is. And sadly, that's not what's been happening. And so that's, that's the federal government. But then simultaneously, I could take it over and look at like the healthcare system that we've had for so long in the United States. And it does feel like, look, there's, there's certainly a lot of money at stake for a lot of people and there are a lot of folks out there who probably don't want us to go down the maha path because it, it's, it impacts their bottom line. Because if you are a person who makes your living off of people being sick all the time, you probably don't like the idea of people being healthy all the time. So you have to consider that when you hear all of this information out there. I think the goal overall, like I said a few minutes ago, is to give people information. More information is always better than less. Let people make their own decisions in terms of their health, health care choices and their lifestyle choices. And I would love to see, by the way, functional medicine, alternative medicine.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh my God.

[Lara Trump]

So clinics that we could all visit that wouldn't be, you know, you walk into one of these urgent care facilities, why can't it be alternative or functional medicine?

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Can you imagine if you went in to see your primary care physician and you're like, you know, I mean, it's just weight is just hurting my joints and heavy. And they did some blood work and they were like, yeah, you're on the borderline for diabetes. You're pre diabetic. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to get you some nutritional coaching. You're going to start a, you know, a daily exercise program. Here's where you're going to start with walking, with, with, you know, slowly getting back to a whole food diet. You know, we're gonna, we're gonna get you outside more often and then we're gonna see you in a few months and, and, and see how you're doing and find a way to reward physicians and practitioners. Not, I mean, the, the reduction in the total cost of caring for a chronically ill person in this country, just a 15% reduction in that, that is mind numbing. Oh my gosh, you know, you're talking about three quarters of a trillion dollars a year. And this isn't by making everybody into super athletes. This is just tapping, you know, the metabolic syndrome, which is creeping down into younger and younger and younger ages. And I think there's also, you know, an opportunity for us to really affect, you know, public school systems.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

I mean, this law that was just passed, I mean, I pray that that's true. I saw it on social media. So I don't know if it is or not where they said we're not allowing, you know, processed foods. That was Arizona, right? Yeah. I mean, processed foods in the public school system, Arizona. I mean, things like that catching on like a brush fire, you know, as a mother. Yeah. You've Got to be really inspired like that. Because for you, it's got to be tough, too. I mean, you know, how are you getting your kids into training them to be, you know, having healthy habits if they're constantly around kids that are not.

[Lara Trump]

It's very hard. It's very hard. And the thing is, I'll pack my kids lunches and I'll be very proud of, you know, what, what I packed for them, because I really do try to give them as, as much whole food as they will eat. And it's not perfect with kids, for sure. And then they'll come home and they'll say, so and so had this fruit roll up thing, and I'm like, oh, my God, can we get those? I'm like, no, we can't get those. And they always want to know about why. But, you know, so and so had it.

[Gary Brecker]

Their parents love them.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah. Like, oh, much. By the way, I do hear phone.

[Gary Brecker]

And fruit roll ups.

[Lara Trump]

Their mom must care about them. I'm like, oh, okay.

[Gary Brecker]

That's the worst.

[Lara Trump]

It's hard. Yeah, it's hard. But, yeah, I mean, look, it's, it's challenging, but, gosh, how much easier would it be for every parent out there if this was just kind of how it was that, you know, you could feel great about sending your kid to school and having the school lunch there and it was going to be helpful for them and not poisoning them?

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, I. I mean, I'm so in. Been inspired by that. I'm so excited about our future. You're. You're. You're the same way. You know, I know what health and, and fitness and, and Whole Foods has done for me and for my family, and I feel like I want everybody to feel like that.

[Lara Trump]

Of course.

[Gary Brecker]

And, you know, when you look at these, you know, broad studies where they go into prison systems or public school systems and they do a pilot study where they just make a shift to Whole Foods. Simple, simple things like that. You know, the rates of violence and inmates go down. The rates of what they were diagnosing as attention deficit disorders and learning disabilities actually go down. Dr. Dr. Hyman talks about this all the time, and it's. It's so fascinating. I think the switch is finally beginning to flick for people that what we put into our bodies matters. I mean, we know that to an extent, but we're starting to realize that, like the forever chemicals, the fluorides, the seed oils, these, These microtoxins that we keep putting into our system, eventually they build up, right? And they blow the Engine.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah. You know, you know where else I'd like to see it is if you haven't been into a hospital recently, which I hope no one has, but if you go visit anyone in a hospital and just the general food that they will serve you, oh my gosh, it is like they have like the pudding packs. They, it's all, it's just, it's garbage. And I'm like, okay, you are here in a place because you are sick, you are unwell. We're trying to get you, you out of here so that you can go live your life. And this is what you're being given.

[Gary Brecker]

It was astounding. You know, this, you're, you're really touching a heartstring for me. And my, my wife's wide eyed off the camera. She just actually did a post on this. What was that like last month? Oh, wow. So, so I have a dear friend of mine of 35 years, he's two years younger than I am, recently diagnosed with stage four metastasis. He had a colon cancer. And, and it's, it's going to be a message of hope because I'm assembling a clinical care team that's going to walk him out of this over the next few months. I'm actually inspired for him and I have no doubt that he's going to be okay. But we, but he's not in the, in the standard healthcare system. But he ended up, because of sepsis, he ended up at Mayo Clinic in, in Scottsdale and, and huge shout out first of all to the Mayo Clinic for saving his life. Because there is no question my friend would not be on the surface of this earth if it were not for the care that he received there. But it was that critical interventional care. You know, I mean this, it looked like an absolute chemistry lab when I walked into his, his room. You know, potassium, you know, calcium pumps, plasma, you know, and, and they just did an incredible job stabilizing him and getting him in a position where he could go start a different, you know, more, more holistic care for his, for his condition. But to your point, you know, we walked into the, you know, the, the ICU at, at Mayo Clinic. I mean these are the sickest people on the planet.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

And my friend was in very serious condition. And there was the, the jello with, with the, with the red dyes and the, and the fake sugar. There was pureed applesauce and then can of soda. And I even spun the can of soda around. I was like, holy cow, 54 grams of sugar pureed applesauce. And, and I saw, you know, the, the levels of, of nutrients and, and, and, and minerals and electrolytes crashing in his blood. But I'm like, there's no.

[Lara Trump]

What's he putting in there? Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Going into the body.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

And this is what's being fed. You know, I, I would consider Mayo Clinic that, you know, the, I mean, they're the top dog. Yeah. And the best care. And critically, there's no doubt that they saved his life. But I, but I believe that, you know, this is another area where our healthcare system is broken because it, it still shows you that even the, the best of that healthcare has to offer still doesn't really embrace the fact that diet and lifestyle has an impact on all this stuff.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Sort of happens to people.

[Lara Trump]

We're in that, that shift space, though. I really feel it and I think that people are gonna start demanding it and I think that that's, that's the, the shift that we've seen happen. You know, people are finally aware of things for the first time. And I think, I hope it translates to schools, I hope it translates to hospitals, I hope it translates everywhere. But I think it's, you know, it's going to take people demanding it to happen.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. You know, again, normally my podcast is not political, but there's something in the news, right.

[Lara Trump]

I'm inherently political.

[Gary Brecker]

Gary, I know you're drawing me in there. Like, here we go.

[Lara Trump]

Come on in.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey. I lost 47,000 followers when I posted.

[Lara Trump]

Oh my God.

[Gary Brecker]

Did you a picture of Bobby Kennedy and I together? I went through, you know, when I would post pictures with your dad at, at ufc, I would take a little downtick. And then there was one some when I went, went to the inauguration and then I posted one with Bobby Kennedy. I lost 47,000, but then I gained 153,000. I was like, oh, the tide's shifting here.

[Lara Trump]

Look at that. Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

There is one major event, you know, going in on in the world right now that I'm praying your father in law is going to solve. And I'm really hopeful and it looks like he's, he's going to get it done because we actually have friends that are intimately involved in this conflict with Ukraine and, and Russia. And I, I don't think a lot of citizens in America really understand how this industrial war complex works where it's a giant profit center or more. It's hard for people to believe that we actually may want to engage or support wars as a profit center. Just like it's hard to wrap your arms around the fact that diabetes is a profit center and so is hypothyroid and cardiac disease and high cholesterol. These are actually profit centers. And there's something to be said for when there's so many tens of billions of dollars to be earned from a conflict like what is happening in Russia and Ukraine that you have to wonder what the agenda really is. Are we really trying to save humanity and we really want to stop all these lives from being shed or is there a more sinister motive behind it? It.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Do you, are you hopeful? I mean, we've already seen the world kind of calm down. I've actually personally spent a lot of time on that other side of the world and I can tell you that there is a very, it's very positive, like the spirits are being lifted and that we may see this peace blanket start to wrap around that area of the world. Do you think your father in law is going to be successful there?

[Lara Trump]

I do.

[Gary Brecker]

You do?

[Lara Trump]

I do. I think, you know, the first term in office you had no new wars. First president in 82 years to have no new wars, Donald J. Trump. And you also had the Abraham Accords, historic peace agreements in the Middle east, something that people said would never happen. Donald Trump was the one to do it. And the irony of course, is that there was hysteria around the fact that Donald Trump would have the nuclear codes. Donald Trump would get us in World War iii. And if you take his first term in office and take a look at it, he was the anti war president. He, he was working on, on our, what would have been, I think a bit of a different exit from Afghanistan. But he doesn't want the American people to be involved in conflicts that we don't need to be involved in. And you're right, there is an industrial war complex and some people understand what that means, some people don't. In the same way that there are some out there incentivized for us all to be sick. And because it's. The profit margins are huge. There's a ton of money to be made by the American people staying in a perpetual state of sickness. Likewise, there's a lot of money to be made when there are wars around the world that the American people have.

[Gary Brecker]

To engage perpetual state of conflict.

[Lara Trump]

Yes. And there, there are a lot of people who make a lot of money off of it. A lot of kickbacks, a lot of, a lot of it. And the great news with Donald Trump and one of the things that I think some people came to know very quickly about him, some are learning is that Donald Trump has made his money. Donald Trump is not interested in anything other than doing the best job he possibly can for this country. And it always made me laugh when people would say, like, what's he getting from Putin? What's he getting from this? He's not getting anything. It's crazy. It's absolutely not scary. It's crazy.

[Gary Brecker]

I'll give you 100 grand.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Like, it's.

[Lara Trump]

It's. It's absolute and insanity. He is 100% committed to getting us out of these conflicts, to ending these conflicts. He talks consistently about the fact that the. The bloodshed in Ukraine has been horrific. The people that they're losing and that the Russians are losing is terrible. You know, the Middle east, you look there, too, and I do believe he will be successful in it. And. And I think, you know, sometimes it's a little bit of, you have to have peace through strength. And people see him, he's a strong leader. They know when he draws the line in the sand. He's not joking. He absolutely means what he says. And so I think Vladimir Putin respects that enough to say, you know what? I don't know that I want to engage this guy either. So I think they all want to get out of it. I think. I think everyone wants it to end, including Russia, obviously Ukraine. And I do think he'll be successful.

[Gary Brecker]

That is so amazing. Laurie, you're amazing. I could literally talk to you.

[Lara Trump]

I know I said to you when I got here, I could spend 10 hours.

[Gary Brecker]

I get to be on your show again.

[Lara Trump]

Oh, I hope so, too.

[Gary Brecker]

I definitely hope you'll come back and do the Ultimate Human podcast again. Yes. So I. I have a. I have a VIP group. These. These are, like, my staunchest followers. They. They. They pay to be a part of my VIP membership group. They knew you were coming on, so they've got a list of questions for you. So we're going to a little private room, and I'm going to allow the questions that they asked to. To. For you. For those of you that are interested in becoming an Ultimate Human VIP, you can go over to the ultimatehuman.com and just sign up to be one of my VIPs. But, Laura, I. I end every one of my podcasts the same way by asking all my guests the same question. And what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

[Lara Trump]

Oh, well, I don't know that I am the ultimate human, but I think we're always striving.

[Gary Brecker]

You look pretty Ultimate.

[Lara Trump]

I'm doing.

[Gary Brecker]

She got here today. I'm like, like you're jacked.

[Lara Trump]

I'm doing my best. We're all doing our best. I think, you know, in my mind, the ultimate human is someone who is able to balance all different aspects of life and whether that's health and, and fitness, whether it's family life, whether it's social life, you know, you, you want to have to me a great balance of all of them. And I don't know that any of us ever fully achieve it, but I think we're all striving for it. I can tell you every day I'm, I'm trying to do the best I can as a mom, as a wife, as a daughter, as a daughter in law, as the host of a show, as, you know, all the different things. And so to me, I think the ultimate human is someone who can balance it all.

[Gary Brecker]

That's amazing. Well, my audience knows who you are, but those that don't can tell them where they can find you, where they can find the show.

[Lara Trump]

Yeah. So you can follow me on social media at lauralee Trump.

[Gary Brecker]

Trump.

[Lara Trump]

L A R A L E A. I know, I don't know what my parents are doing there. R A L E A. Yeah, it's really wild. Lara Lee Trump on Instagram, on X, on Tick tock, on all, all the different things. And then my show is called My View on Fox. It's 9pm every Saturday night. My view FNC is the handle for all social media as well.

[Gary Brecker]

Amazing. I will be on her next show, so I hope you guys tune in and we wish her luck with this show. So congratulations on the new show and the new career and congratulations on an amazing launch of your show and I hope you come back on the Alternative.

[Lara Trump]

I hope so too.

[Gary Brecker]

Until next time, guys, that's just science.