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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The food that we're eating is not food anymore. It's a food like substance and it was manufactured or created in laboratories. And it's not nutrient dense, it's nutrient anemic.
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Gary Brecker
And you're not releasing any GLP1, you're.
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Unknown Speaker
Not getting any satiation, you're not nutrient dense, so your body's not saying, hey, I'm full, I'm satiated, I should stop eating.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The tobacco companies, they would mimic the taste of things that are very appetizing. They would do it with chemical compounds and they switched to doing that for food and they started developing all of these chemicals that hijack your brain and trick your body.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, we have an agency that stands between us and those people. So those things would never make it into the food supply.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The FDA was no longer serving the public interest or public health. It had ceased being a public health agency.
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Unknown Speaker
That's the difficult part for an agency like yours to get into the private sector.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
First of all, the pharmaceutical companies are advertising products that are being paid for by the taxpayer and they advertise all these drugs on television. The person who's going to get the bill for that drug is my agency.
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Unknown Speaker
There's so much going on in the media and in this Make America Healthy Again movement. What they can expect to see from a public policy perspective.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Chronic disease is the destination of most federal expenditures in terms of health care. The etiology ultimately of all that disease is ultimate human.
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Gary Brecker
Hey guys, this is Gary Brackett and I'm telling you today truly is a very, very special podcast. I know very often I'll say this is my favorite guest or I'm really excited to have this guest on, but this particular guest has a very special.
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Unknown Speaker
Place in my heart.
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Gary Brecker
And he's going to have a very special place in your heart too, because of the level of conviction that this man has to make an impact on humanity. And by that I mean I don't care what side of the political aisle you're on. We all should be on the side of the future of our children. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Is someone I've looked up to for a long time since I really understood his mission. And when you look at the broken healthcare system in America, we spend four and a half trillion dollars a year on healthcare. We lead the world in six major categories. Infant mortality, maternal mortality, morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, multiple chronic dise disease in a single biome. And I don't think anyone, including myself, knows the exact reason why it's so multifactorial. You know, why do we have the highest rates of childhood cancer in recorded history? Why do we have such a parabolic explosion in autism, learning disorders, add, adhd, ocd, manic depression, bipolar? And why are these things affecting younger and younger ages? Why do we have metabolic syndrome, which was reserved for people in their 50s and their 60s and even their 70s? Why do we have it in our teenage population now? You know, I've. I've raised four children, and I know many of you watching this are parents. And you have to have a concern. What kind of environment, what kind of world is my child growing up in? What's going to happen to them when they get to the public school system? Not how are they educated, but how are they fed? How's their biome being cared for? What is their pediatrician doing every time that they put a vaccine on the schedule? Do they know the safety and efficacy of that? And so today's podcast, I'm recording this intro after the podcast because I wanted to just tell you how impactful it was, how he was able to break down the corruption in our nutritional research and the corruption in our food supply and the influence that Big Food and Big Pharma has over our public policy, the policy that determines how your children are fed, how your children are taught, and what our healthcare system covers and doesn't cover. Why are we so pro chemicals, synthetics, and pharmaceuticals? And why have we gotten away from things like peptides and whole foods and exercise and vitamins and minerals and amino acids and nutrients, the thing that God gave us to make us thrive, rather than the thing that man makes us to make us sick. And he did such a good job of describing the dependency that our sick care system has created. You know, sadly, so many Americans, tens of millions of them, are dependent on the system. We don't independently have our own healthcare choices because we walk down the aisles and the food that we're consuming is actually what's leading to the medication that's required to treat the conditions from this causal relationship between food and chemicals and health. And so I really hope that you enjoy this podcast today. You know, Bobby came to my house to join me at the UFC fights and to talk about some of, you know, what we could do together to help make America healthy again. And I just grabbed them and brought them in the room and I sat him down for this podcast, and it was one of the most authentic, genuine podcasts I've ever done, because I really felt the intention of this man, and I think you will, too. And no matter what side of the aisle you're on. I think you will draw some inspiration from this because we are about to have a healthier, happier, more thriving America. So without further ado, please welcome Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. To the ultimate Human Podcast. Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecker, where we go down the road of.
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Unknown Speaker
Everything, anti aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today was a giant surprise.
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Gary Brecker
I spoke this morning at the Health.
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Unknown Speaker
Optimization Summit in Austin, Texas, boarded the plane, shot over to here to head to the UFC fights, and I'm joined by. By a very prominent figure in the space, the leader and the head of the MAHA movement, none other than Mr. Bobby Kennedy Jr. Himself. Thank you for coming on the podcast.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I'm happy to be here with you finally.
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Unknown Speaker
I'm happy to have you. We've had, like, a really kind of an amazing time so far, you know, with. With the hyperbaric chambers, and we basically did some nutritional IVs, and then we just decided to come in the podcast room and chop it up a little bit. So there's so much going on in the media, and then this Make America Healthy Again movement in this space.
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Gary Brecker
I'd love for you to share with.
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Unknown Speaker
The audience what you are most excited about right now and what they can expect to see from a public policy perspective, a legislative perspective, show that real change is coming.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah. So President Trump named me is Secretary of Health and Human Services. Yes.
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Unknown Speaker
Congratulations, by the way.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The biggest agency of government. It's twice the size of the Pentagon. It's got a $1.9 trillion budget.
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Gary Brecker
Wow.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And, you know, the irony of that is we spend more on healthcare in this country than any other country in the world, per capita, two to three times what most European countries spend. And yet we have the worst health of any country in the world. We have the highest chronic disease burden on Earth. And that, as you know, bleeds over into infectious disease, which has been really. Infectious disease has been the focus of most federal expenditures in terms of research. Chronic disease is the destination of most federal expenditures in terms of healthcare. We have a sick care system in our country, and the etiology, ultimately, of all that disease is corruption. And it's the capture of these agencies are the industries. They're supposed to regulate those industries. The pharmaceutical industry and the medical cartel have transformed nih, cdc, fda, and ultimately cms, which administers Medicaid, Medicare, into essentially sock puppets for the industry and profit centers. And they. They've commoditized the American public and turned us all into patients. Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Profitable patients.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, it's been very profitable for them. When my uncle was president, I was a 10 year old boy. And, you know, during that era, we spent zero on chronic disease. At that time in history, there really were no cure. The first, the first treatment for chronic disease was, was, ironically, it was the pill.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It was the first time you took a pill, you know, regularly.
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Gary Brecker
Well, the first, the first treatment for chronic disease was the pill.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah. It was the first kind of long term treatment that you took over a prolonged period of time. And we spent, when my uncle was president, we spent zero on chronic disease in this country. Wow. Today we spend. Today it's one point, probably $1.6 or $7 trillion a year. It's about 90% of our healthcare budget. And we are, we have the highest chronic disease burden of any country in the world.
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Gary Brecker
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
During COVID we had the highest death rate of any country in the world.
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Unknown Speaker
That is astounding.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
We had 16% of the COVID deaths, and we only have 4.2% of the world's population. We literally had the worst record of any country in the world. And it's a wonder that people are getting awards and recognition and kudos for managing Covid. Whatever we were doing, it was utterly wrong. And if you ask cdc, you know, why did we die at higher rates? And we died at rates that were, in some cases, like Haiti, had a death rate. Hey, if you remember, at the beginning of the pandemic, we Were told the poor countries of Africa are going to be devastated by this because they can't get a hold of vaccines. Haiti is the poorest country in the hemisphere. It had a 1.3% vaccination rate. So virtually nobody got a vaccine. Right. They had a Covid rate of 14 deaths, perhaps million population. We had a death rate of 3,000 per million population. American blacks had a death rate of probably 3,600 per million population.
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Gary Brecker
That is incredible.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
We had 200 times death rate of Haiti. We had 200 times death Rate of Nigeria which had a 1.4% vaccination rate. Oh, and there's other reasons for that. Those are younger populations which were less affected by COVID deaths. They're out in the sun more and they've got a lot of other, you know, advantages in that situation. But you know, there's something wrong with our country. Africa's whole at about 360.
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Unknown Speaker
There were high morbidity death tied to deficiencies in vitamin D3.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It was a direct inverse correlation between vitamin D saturation and. And Covid mortality. Yeah. So I mean. And we're the only country in the world that has an in history of the world where obesity is also correlated with malnutrition. So we have, you know, because the food that we're eating is not food anymore. It's a food like substance and a lot of it was that was manufactured or created in laboratories and that no longer it's, it isn't, it is not nutrient dense. It's nutrient anemic. And you know, I was, I watched this happen because I was part of the tobacco litigation back in the late 1980s. And the tobacco companies at that point were the most cash rich country companies in the world. They were the richest in terms of their cash resources. It's immensely profitable industry. And the litigation and the, and the advertising that began taking place at that time.
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Unknown Speaker
What time frame is this?
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
This is the late 80s, early 90s. So the, the tobacco industry saw that the writing was on the wall, that they were facing regulatory headwinds, that their consumers were sloughing off. Right. And they began to diversify. So and they diversified into the food industry. So by 19, by the mid-90s, the two biggest food companies in the world were RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris.
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Unknown Speaker
That is astounding.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And they thousands of scientists that were involved whose job it was to figure out ways to create to make tobacco more addictive and more attractive. And they switched to doing that for food. And they started developing all of these chemicals that hijack your brain and trick your body. Well, they would mimic the, the taste of things that are very appetizing. And they would do it with chemical compounds intentionally. Intentionally to attract your taste buds to, to, to, you know, to make them palatable and, and appetizing and attractive and, and your body eats those things. But, you know, so there's a strawberry flavor. There's no nutrition in it. There's no strawberry. And your body thinks, oh, I, I'm eating a strawberry, I'm craving a strawberry. But you're eating it and you're not getting any.
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Gary Brecker
And you're not releasing any GLP1.
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Unknown Speaker
You're not getting any satiation. You know, you're not, you're not nutrient dense, saying, hey, I'm full, I'm satiated.
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Gary Brecker
I should stop eating.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
You're eating, you know, it's chemicals, so there's no nutrients in it. And so your body is getting starved and at the same time you're getting fat because you never, you know, you're never satisfied. Your body knows it's not being fed. Then they started putting stuff in food to make it more addictive, like sodiums and sugars. And they also put stuff in food that deliberately tricked your brain into thinking that your stomach wasn't full. So one of the things they figured out was that your brain actually gauges the fullness of your belly by, by counting the number of times you chewed. So there's a, there's, there's some part of your brain that is saying, okay, if he chewed a certain amount, he must be full. And so they started putting food softeners into the food.
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Gary Brecker
Wow.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Make it so that you had to chew less. You know, if you eat a Twinkie, you don't even have to chew it. You can inhale it.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Wow.
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Gary Brecker
It's so insane to think that it's that sinister. And I think the sad thing, and.
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Unknown Speaker
I don't mean to derail you, is that it's one thing to concoct this whole. Contrive this whole mechanism of creating toxicity and, and chemicals to mimic flavorings, to circumvent satiety and whatnot.
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Gary Brecker
But, but I think where it goes.
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Unknown Speaker
Lost on the public is they go, well, we have an agency that stands between us and those people so those things would never make it into the food supply.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And, and I, you know, my uncle Ted Kennedy conducted hearings in 1970 about agency captured FDA. And at that time, the conclusion that hearing is that the FDA was no longer serving the public interest, it was. Or public health. It had ceased being A public health agency. It was now an agency whose primary focus was maximizing corporate profit taking. And you know, one of the, I can point to a hundred of those examples of agency capture, but probably the one most familiar to the American public because there was two, you know, big Netflix documentaries on it. One of them called Dope Sick is the was the opioid epidemic where people from Sackler, Sackler family that owned Purdue Pharmaceuticals captured a FDA official and persuaded him to eliminate the warnings about the addiction and to say, and to say that oxycodone on the manufacturer's insert was not addictive. Wow. And you could argue that as a direct result of that, a million young Americans die. We're losing over a hundred thousand young people every year from drug overdoses. And to put that in perspective, during the 20 year Vietnam War, we lost 56,000American kids. We're losing double that number every year from opioid addiction and overdoses. That's insane. And that is a direct result of agency capture and agency corruption. And what we're trying to do now at the agency, which we're doing is we brought in extraordinary leaders who are now going to do make sure that we do good science, gold standard science, which was what those agencies used to do, and that we're going to purge the entire agency of conflicts of interest.
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Unknown Speaker
That is massive, though.
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Gary Brecker
I mean, with a budget that size.
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Unknown Speaker
With that voluminous amount of a payroll, without amount of entrenchment, right? I mean, I, I, I've got to think that a lot of these people are not going without an at a bomb.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, well, that's where Doge came in really is that we offered, initially we offered a buyout for anybody who wanted to leave. And we made clear that people should leave if they didn't share this new mission. And we got a lot of people left the agency. And you know, then we came back and there's tremendous duplication in the agencies, tremendous redundancies. We had 100 comms departments, we have 40 IT departments, 40 procurement departments, and on and on. And so we, we were reorganizing the agency to consolidate those things. One, to eliminate the redundancy and streamline the agency, most importantly to redirect and recalibrate its course so that everybody there knows that every day if you want your job, you got to wake up in the morning and be thinking, how am I going to end the chronic disease epidemic today?
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And so everybody is going to be clear on that mission. And you know, we think that we're going to make a huge difference in the first year, but over four years we'll be able to correct the course.
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Unknown Speaker
God bless you, man, and God bless that mission. Because I think when you become a purpose driven agency and not a profit, you know, protecting agency, and, and, and I know that these government agencies are not driven for profit per se, but you know, a lot of these officials move from the public sector into the private sector. It's obvious once you start to peel back the layers of the onion that if, if you're a regulator and your responsibility is enforcement of a private industry, that you have a known job offer in where you can move from being a government official that's going to make a few hundred thousand dollars a year into private industry where you're going to make a few million dollars a year, it's hard to not point to that as a conflict of interest.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And seven of the eight FDA recent FDA commissioners have immediately gone to work for industry, the cdc or the longest recent, longest reigning recency, CDC Director Julie Gerberding, who dramatically increased the vaccine schedule and added billions of dollars a year in revenue to Merck, went over to become the president or the vice president of Merck, you know, and as typical, you see lower level division and branch chiefs in the agency also, you know, they sort of the common core is, is that they work at the agency until their pensions vest and then they move on to industry. So the last three or four years that they're at the agency, they're doing a lot of favors for industry and they're letting a lot of things go.
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Unknown Speaker
By because they're about to make that move.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And they want a soft landing at one of these companies. And their example then drives the. It infiltrates all the lower strata of the agency because they see the boss doing this and they think this is the way that it's done. And you come as a culture not going along. But there's, there's a hundred other mechanisms for agency capture. And, you know, those come from appropriations through the Congress. It comes from reactions to the press. All the major institutions of our society have been captured by the industry. The press now gets, you know, the mainstream television networks and some. Roger Ailes told me one time that 75% of his advertising revenues on the evening news divisions were pharmaceutical ads.
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Unknown Speaker
I believe that just by observation, you know, just as you can.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
By Pfizer brought to you by Pfizer.
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Unknown Speaker
If you eliminate big food and pharma from. Yeah, from. I mean, just, you know, I'll be bankrupt. Yeah.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
So it wouldn't have been Super Bowl. You know, those, those companies are doing that partially because the evening news, very attractive to drug companies because young people don't watch news. It's all older people. And those are their customers. They're people who are taking all this whole, you know, arsenal, this battery of, of drugs. But they also do it to control content.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
That's why you see defense contractors advertising on, you know, Good Morning America. Nobody's going to buy, you know, a tomahawk. Ms. Holon, who's watching Good Morning America? They advertise because they want to control the content. If you look at, you know, Anderson Cooper or, you know, any of these, or Lester Holt or Jake Tapper, their salaries are being. Their paycheck is being paid by the network.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Their salaries are actually coming from pharmaceutical companies. And they know that.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And they know that they can't. That they got to toe the line and they got to say, gotta frighten us all about, about infectious disease. They gotta make us all do the, you know, comply with the, with the pharmaceutical mandates. And they're not giving us the real news. They're not asking the questions that they ought to be asking. There's no skepticism. And if you look at these news shows like the 60 Minutes or even Anderson or Sanjay Gupta, yeah. 20 years ago they were saying, yeah, there's problems with this, you know, with vaccines or these other drugs.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And we'll never do that today.
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Unknown Speaker
You know, that, that to me, seems like that's the difficult part for an agency like yours to get into the private sector and effectuate the private sector that way. Unless, of course, There was some kind of executive order that disallowed pharma from advertising directly to the consumer.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And which.
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Unknown Speaker
Do you see a day where that could be a possibility?
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
There's a bad Supreme Court case recently that equated pharmaceutical advertising with freedom of speech and gave it, endowed it with a limited First Amendment protection. There's still things that we can do and we're working on that. So we think that we're going to be able to do something, but I'm not going to talk more about that.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And the issue here that people under understand, because a lot of the people who support us are for freedom of speech. They're, you know. Absolutely. But this is a very different issue because first of all, the pharmaceutical companies are advertising products that are being paid for by the taxpayer. They advertise all these drugs on television. A person who's going to get the bill for that drug is my agency, and the taxpayers are going to end up paying for it. If you, if you're selling, selling cereal or Coke or something, that might not be so good for you, at least, you know, the consumer's paying for that themselves. Except if they're getting it from the snap.
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Unknown Speaker
From the snap.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And we're gonna end that.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, I heard 25 states now have.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Legislation to get sodas off a snap. And some of them are looking at candy and, you know, other stuff.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, 10, $10 billion. I heard of the, of the 120 billion roughly of the SNAP program.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
So it's a huge risk for some of these companies. And you know, I. Listen, if you want to buy a Coke, you should be able to do it. You're America. You can do what you want. The taxpayer should not be paying for this nutrition program. And when 10% of the money is going for something that has no nutrients in it, it's not a good outcome. The other thing about pharmaceutical ads is the company gets a tax deduction on them. We're paying for the ads and we're paying for the product.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Gary Brecker
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And so, you know, I mean when.
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Unknown Speaker
You think about that, it's just, it's, it's mind numbing. We're paying for the ads and we're paying from the product. Just.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Pay. And we're paying for all the diseases that that product is causing.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And so it's different than any other kind of product and it's regulated differently. And those, you know, those regulations, you know a drug camp company does not have carte blanche from FDFA to advertise any product it want have there. There are conditions that we can place on it. And you know, those are some of the things that we're looking at now.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, it's fantastic. I mean it's probably safe to say that your popularity amongst those, some of those agencies has, has dropped. Do you?
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Well, I have never been popular with those agency. I mean the agencies used to do a good job when I was a kid, you know and NIH was the gold standard science agency in the world. FDA was a gold standard regulator. In fact there were a lot of, at that time, this early 60s, there were a lot of countries in and particularly in Africa and were getting their freedom for the first time from colonial rule. And they were writing constitutions and you know, none of them could afford to have their own regulators, their health regulators or research institutions. And so a lot of them said in their constitution, if FDA says it's okay, then it's okay in our country as well. So there was this broad faith in American science and American regulatory integrity at that point around the world.
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Unknown Speaker
I agree.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
No longer exists. People now are very skeptical of our science and, and our regulatory agencies. And what we want to do over the next four years is restore global faith in American.
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Unknown Speaker
And do you do that by, I mean to, to really address the corruption in, in nutritional research? Do you do that by actually having taxpayer funded independent research that is what is influencing public policy and dis. Allow the private sector from funding nutritional research? Especially that would actually have an impact on public policy.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I mean, there's two things. One is that NIH science, the NIH has $46 billion that it allocates to science every year. And it does that through a grant system that gives grants to 56,000 researchers all around the world, mostly in the United States and a lot in Canada as well. And unfortunately that system has been corrupted through a number of different vectors. So that people who get the money tend to be people who have been approved by the industry through, you know, a variety of levers. And they are part of an old boys network that knows what they can say and what they can't say and what they can research what they can't. And they're not going to research anything that with results may diminish corporate profits.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The other thing is there's no replication. So there's a huge incentive to cheat on your science. So if you, if you go to your funder with a hypothesis and say, this is what I believe, here's how I'm going to prove it and it's going to be an important decision and then the science does not confirm that hypothesis. That's science. Yes. Yeah. When the hypothesis doesn't always work in your favor, when it's a null hypothesis, that's science and ought to be published. It doesn't get published.
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Unknown Speaker
And because it's private funded, we can say if it doesn't go my favor, I'm not going to alter it, I'm just not going to publish it. Well, let me do the study, we'll change.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
But the private funding is coming from industry, so they cheat. I mean, we call those guys by ostitutes because, because they, you know, they know what the outcome is and they write the outcome before they write the study. In many cases that also happens in the public sphere. And so what we're going to do, and it happens because they know there's going to be no replication. A lot of times the data sets are private. You know, you buy United Healthcare data sets, they're only selling to you so you can't publish them. And so there's no replication. And if you know there's going to be no effort or replicating your study, you have a huge incentive.
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Unknown Speaker
Oh, no question.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And so what we're going to do is we're going to devote probably 20% of NIH's budget to replication. Every study has to be replicated. We're going to publish the peer review for the first time. We're probably going to stop Publishing in the Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA and those other journals because they're all corrupt. And even the heads of those journals, like Marsh Engel, who for 20 years was head of the New England Journal of Medicine, says that this, that we no longer are a science journal. We are a vessel for pharmaceutical propaganda.
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Unknown Speaker
No kidding.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Because they control the journals, they buy the preprints. Right. Which is, and they, they find out you, if you want to publish a journal, you have to pay $10,000 to get the study published. So the pharmaceutical company concocts a study that shows the outcome that they want that statins work or that SSRIs work, you know, and then they'll publish that. They pay to get that published.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And they order reprints from the journal. The reprints, as you know, are a, it's a, you know, five or six page document that has the logo of the journal on it. They sell them for enormous profits and then they give them to the pharmaceutical reps to know hot looking girls and you know, odd looking guys who go to the doctor's office, take them out to lunch, give them the preprint to say this product works. If, you know, why don't you prescribe if 500 times during the next month and then I'll be back here to see you. Right. With all these kind of implied promises of what's going to happen and that's how this system works.
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Unknown Speaker
That is just astounding.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And so what we're going to do is change the system and say, you know, Richard Horton was ahead of, of the Lancet who really disgraced himself during COVID with the, you know, the Lancet.
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Unknown Speaker
Letter and all this, I remember.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
But, but he says the same thing. He says, yeah, we're not, we are no longer science journals. We are about promoting pharmaceutical products and that's what we do. So unless these journals change dramatically, we are going to stop NIH scientists from publishing there and we're going to create our own journals in health and in each of the institutions.
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Unknown Speaker
And they will become the preeminent journals.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Because they're going to become the preeminent journalists. Because if you get NIH funding, it is anointing you as a good legitimate scientist.
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Unknown Speaker
I love that that now our public policy research institutions can actually be the hallmarks of, of properly conducted research and a place that we can actually rely on information. There is nothing I hate more than having to, to divert this podcast. I know we, we've got a UFC fight that we're going to. First of all, this was totally sp. You know, you, you came to my house today before the, before the fights, and we had some fun biohacking with you and your family. And you know, by the grace of God, you agreed to come in and sit down with me for a few minutes. And I know that my audience in the market really appreciates it. But Robert Kennedy, you, you are doing God's work and, and there are a lot of people in this country that are praying for you and for your success and, and, you know, praying for you to, to stay strong and stay on your purpose and your, and your passion and your mission. I was particularly touched by your testimony to Congress when you were going through your hearings and one of the comments that you made, which I think just exacerbated your conviction to helping heal America, was how you woke up every morning and you dropped your knees and you prayed for the opportunity that God would give you to be in the position that you're in now. Now here you are and it's a great honor to just sit across from you and have gotten a moment to ask you a few questions. I know that my industry, myself, my platform, all the like minded influencers and virtually everyone that I talk to in this country is behind you.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And you know, I thank you for what you're doing and we're going to end the war at FDA against alternative medicine.
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Unknown Speaker
You know, thank you.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
We're on stem cells or my chelating drugs or on peptides or on anything that, you know is not going to.
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Unknown Speaker
Make music to my ears.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The war on vitamins.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, vitamins and minerals, amino acids, nutrients.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, peptides.
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, these things that can heal humanity.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Position is that FDA has a job just to do the science on these kind of issues and then tell the public what they've learned from the science. But not tell people and not tell physicians what they can and not. Cannot prescribe.
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Unknown Speaker
Yes.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And that if you want to take an experimental drug that, you know, you can do that, you ought to be able to do that, you shouldn't have to go. You shouldn't have to go to Antigua to get stem cells, which I had to do for my throat.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And they helped me enormously. Why did I have to go to Antigua for that? You know, we don't want to have the Wild West. We want to make sure that information is out there. But we also want to respect the intelligence of the American people. You know, the, the capacity of people who explore the outcomes that are going to benefit them the most. And of course, you're going to get a lot of charlatans and you're going to get, you know, people who get. Who have bad results, but ultimately you can't prevent that either way.
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Unknown Speaker
I agree.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And leaving the whole thing in the hands of pharma is not working for us. You know, Peter Gosia, who was one of the founders of the Cochrane Collaboration with great scientists in the world, and, you know, he just did a study recently that showed that the third largest cause of death in this country, after heart attacks and cancer, are pharmaceutical drugs.
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Unknown Speaker
Wow. Yeah. Modern era, medical era.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
So for people to say, oh, we have to be very careful about nutrients and vitamins, it's astounding to me. And that people may misuse them or stem cells or hyperbaric chambers or people for, you know, it's not the government's purview to tell people they cannot have access to those things because what they're giving us access in the narrow range of drugs that they want to, products that they want to restrict us to, are not making us healthier. You ought to rely on democracy and the good sense of the American people and the drive that we all have to take care of ourselves and God's gift to us of a healthy body that has its own set of defenses that we need to respect.
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Unknown Speaker
We had a great conversation about this today, you know, about the greatest pharmacy you know, in the world is right here. And, and the power that this has over this. Bobby, Kenny, I hope you'll come back and we can continue to, to chop this up when we have some more time. I know we're, we're heading out to the fights right now, and Trump's messing up our whole evening because he's. They' the roads on us right before the UFC fights in Miami tonight. But, but God bless you. Thank you for coming on the ultimate.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Thank you for having me.
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Unknown Speaker
You're very welcome. What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I mean, I think for all of us, it means to live up to our potential, the potential that God gave us. And, you know, I've said this, you know, a number of times, that a healthy person has a thousand dreams. A sick person only has one. And right now, 60% of the people in this country have only had a single dream. And none of us, you know, our country cannot achieve its promise as an exemplary nation. And the promise of giving everybody who lands here the American dream, the potential to fulfill their own potential if they're all sick all the time. So I think what, you know, we need to do is to. Is to dial back, have a healthy population, and that let people make up their own choices about how they want to run their lives.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Well, God bless you. There you have it. That's the definition of the ultimate human. Until next time, that's just science.