Dr. Jagar Gandhi (2:19)

Thanks for having me.

Gary Brea (2:20)

Last time we shot it in your living room. Yeah, we did, because I was actually up there to have a Surgical procedure done. I think when we did the last one, this tooth you had taken out and had the post, so you put this post in, and this tooth had come out, so you put this post in. So we still gotta get you a tooth. I still need a tooth over there.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (2:38)

It's coming soon.

Gary Brea (2:39)

Yeah, I'm not airing the podcast till I get the tooth. It's gonna be like a little quid pro quo. You want me to release the podcast? I need a tooth. But he's done this for my wife. He's done it for my daughter. He. He's done it for Dr. Sarda, who's been our clinic director for years. And you know what's crazy is that from that first moment that you and I. I mean, you and I had a friendship for a long time before you ever actually did any work on me. And, you know, we were clients of each other's. We met through the 10x health system. And I remember the day that I cracked my tooth and I called you, and you. You identified all of the problems that I was having associated with that tooth was. Which I had never connected to that tooth. I had left anterior shoulder pain. I had a catch in my left lower lobe of my lung, which I just thought was runner's cramp from exercise. And then I had this strange thing where once in a while, my left toe, of all things, would either itch or it would go numb. And sometimes I would tap my foot on the ground. And Sage used to make fun of me because I would take my shoe off and I would just itch my big toe, and I would put my shoe back on. And I never connected that 19th tooth meridian to the. The symptoms that I was having. And 48 hours after you took that tooth out, the symptoms went away. And I think the thing that hit me the hardest was being woke to biohacking or whatever you want to call it. I do the red light. I do the sauna. You know, I eat whole foods. I focus on sleep. I get in a sauna. Know, I'm really trying to do the best with the tools that I'm given. And I was completely oblivious to biologic dentistry, even though we were friends and the impact that it could have on. On people's health. And now maybe because I started really digging into it, I get things through my feed all the time. And the claims range from it has no impact at all. Leaving dead tissue in the. In the body doesn't harm you to. You know, there are physicians out there that have said, I have never had a Patient come in with any form of cancer that did not have a root canal or did not have severe dental decay. And when you start to look at the, the maps of the, of the nerves and the blood supply and the proximity to the brain and the drainage into the heart really starts to make sense that as these signals are transgressing the body and passing through the oral cavity and back up through the oral cavity and that decay and parasites and bacteria and viruses that are here, you know, in your mouth, they're easy gateways into the body.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (5:30)

Yeah, correct. Because the biggest misconception is what is an organ. Right. When we think about it, Dorland's medical dictionary will define an organ as something that has a nerve, which is a trigeminal nerve that innervates the teeth. Then you got the blood supply. Then you also have the lymphatic drainage, which we neglect a lot in modern medicine, like lymphatic drainage. Oh, it's just lymph. No, the lymph is the pathway where everything's going to start spreading. And then the function. Mastication. Right. You're chewing with the teeth. So each tooth is an organ. If we can believe that and go by that, then if it's dead, why are we keeping it there? Or if it's infected, why are we keeping it there?

Gary Brea (6:10)

Right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (6:10)

Is it okay? Well, if you want something dead in your mouth, then keep it. Right. It's up to the patient. But education is number one and that's what I'm seeing the most now. Patients are coming in, they're, they're self educating themselves is which is what we want.

Gary Brea (6:22)

Right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (6:22)

You know, that's what you do really well is you're educating people and then they're learning about it more and more.

Gary Brea (6:28)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (6:28)

So they're going to doctors and figuring it out like, no, this is the problem. This is what's causing me or holding me back.

Gary Brea (6:34)

Yeah, yeah. You know, since, since my journey with you, I've referred you some of the most famous and impactful people in the world. I won't mention their names. They may or may not go public, public with their story. But I have yet to hear anything other than just astounding stories of. You know, we have a mutual friend from Atlanta.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (6:57)

Yes.

Gary Brea (6:58)

That recently came to see you. And I won't say his name, but he, his blood work indicated that he had an autoimmune disease, Correct?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (7:08)

Yes.

Gary Brea (7:09)

And so I called you up and I said, I'm going to make this introduction because during my discussion with him, I said, have you ever had A root canal. And he's like, I've had four. I had wisdom teeth. Yeah, four. You know, do you have other dental work? And he just talked about bridges and caps and. And root canals, and so his mouth was a minefield. I just knew it. And I referred him to you. And even though he was in a lot of pain and recovering very well, I talked to him 48 hours after your procedure. I think he still might have been in New York at the time. And he did not have enough good things to say about you, man. I mean, he was just raving about. For him, it was the instant relief from his low back pain.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (7:56)

That's the number one thing that he said to me. Yeah, it went away.

Gary Brea (8:00)

Yeah. He's like. And he said, I'm not going to mimic his voice because you'll know who it is. I almost did my impression of who he is, but he called me up and he was like, gary, I'm not kidding you, man. I am not shitting you. This is not placebo. My back pain is gone, and I've had it for years. It is gone. And this has been months now. And I talked to him about four days ago, and he said it hasn't been back. And so nothing else changed other than he got this procedure done. So if someone is new to biological dentistry, if someone is new to the concept of root canals and cavitations, which are these pockets of infection in. In the jaw that not all dentists are trained to see. Correct. You need a special type of X ray called a cone beam.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (8:47)

Yes.

Gary Brea (8:48)

X ray. If someone's new to this and wonders if it might be something they should look at to address symptoms they have, what's kind of the. The myriad. What's the world that these symptoms live in if there's so issues in the.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (9:03)

World, like, just having a cone beam is one thing. And it depends on who's looking at the X ray. Right. Because biological dentistry and holistic dentistry now is being thrown around. Like, it's like real estate agents or day traders. Like, everyone's doing it right.

Gary Brea (9:16)

Everyone's real estate.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (9:17)

And that's the problem then. That's the problem that we're facing, because I see a lot of referrals or second opinions from patients who visited biological dentists. So it just. It depends on the training. And we're working on it. Like, you did a podcast with my buddy Dr. Dom.

Gary Brea (9:30)

Oh, I love it.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (9:31)

Yeah, he's awesome. And he's like the Godfather, right?

Gary Brea (9:34)

Yeah, he's really.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (9:35)

And we're working on Trying to get the word out there, like, well trained biological dentists. Not just with biological dentists, because now you do. How to put that word? Just because that's the biggest problem that we're facing now. It's just everyone wants to advertise biological dentistry.

Gary Brea (9:48)

Right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (9:48)

So the biggest thing is patients are suffering from chronic issues. Right. And what we're looking for is like, I'm a dentist, I'm not a medical doctor, so leave the medical profession out of this. But when I see the X ray, I don't even need the medical history, because I can just look at each tooth and know what's going on there by looking at the meridian chart as a reference tool. And patients are coming in sick, and these patients want to be better, but they're not getting the right care. Right. So the biggest thing we're looking for is if there's metals in the mouth, whether it's titanium, mercury fillings, mercury crown, metal crowns, any teeth that were taken out that weren't clean. Like our friend who came in to visit us, he had teeth that were taken out, but they were infected in there, in the jawbone.

Gary Brea (10:37)

Wow.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (10:37)

But he was told that everything is shut.

Gary Brea (10:39)

And because there's no tooth and maybe. Maybe even the nerve is dead and the blood supply has been reduced or even eliminated. That's the thing that's important for people to understand. There's no pain associated with this.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (10:51)

Correct. It's chronic.

Gary Brea (10:52)

Yeah. And it's not like you're stuffy and sneezy and your chest is congested and you have pain in your jaw or you have a lot of phlegm or mucus or things like that. The normal things that would drive you to seek some attention. Um, those are not there. And I think a lot of times because those symptoms aren't there, we think nothing is wrong because we associate an infection with pain, redness, numbness, swelling, you know, some kind of dysfunction. But what are the most common symptoms? And I know there's just an endless myriad of symptoms, but I would say if you were lumping your patients into major categories, what are most of the symptoms that they're coming to you with? Do they have autoimmune, they have cardiac issues? Do they have pain somewhere along the meridian chart?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (11:36)

Yeah. So autoimmune is big, and cardiac issues and chronic inflammation. So. And it's hard to determine where it's coming from, like elevated red blood, elevated interleukin 1 and 6, elevated ESRs. So they're coming in with a gamut of diseases.

Gary Brea (11:58)

Yeah. So These erythrocyte sedimentation rates and these interleukins are. That he's referring to are different cytokines, different inflammatory compounds that are secreted from white blood cells in the body in response to an infection or the presence of a parasite or a virus or another pathogen. Just wanted them to know that. So general inflammatory markers would be things like C reactive protein or homocysteine. Other things. So these. You're saying that they'll have these inflammatory markers in their blood work? Correct. Maybe they've been. They've been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease out of the blue.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (12:35)

Yes.

Gary Brea (12:36)

No family history, no real trigger that they can point to. And chronic infection causes immuno fatigue. And we know now that one of the big emerging theories in aging and longevity is this whole concept of immuno fatigue, like the progressive, slow overwhelm of the immune system. It's like putting a pound in your backpack every day until eventually you have so many pounds back there, you just can't. Right. And then the immune system essentially collapse, and then bang, the fire starts. And this is no doubt a part of that sequence of stressors that the immune system has to deal with that eventually cause it to cave.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (13:24)

I mean, when you look at chronic fatigue syndrome, it's huge, right? Look at what happened with your wife. Yeah, she had the cavitations, but it didn't know why she's always waking up late, and now she's up early.

Gary Brea (13:36)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (13:37)

All of a sudden.

Gary Brea (13:37)

Absolutely true.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (13:38)

What changed for her? She's sleeping the same protocols that you put her on, but dental work.

Gary Brea (13:43)

Yeah. You ruined my Good Morning Babe series. It was the most popular series on Instagram. And you screwed it all up because, like, I. I wake up in the morning, like, on fire, and she slept in. And it used to let me go get a workout and get a breath work and sunlight. Then I would come back, barreling in the room and wake her up. And I got so much joy out of that.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (14:02)

And that's what happens when the tooth is taken out. You talk about tissue closes. So when you take a look inside the mouth, the tissue looks beautiful. It's nice pink. But what's underneath there? And when the ligament is left behind, what we call the periodontal ligament that causes a root of all evil, it just becomes a swamp of pathogens in there. And it could be any type of pathogens. It doesn't have to necessarily be only bacteria, because as a dentist, we're trained off bacteria. Fight the bacteria. What about the fungus? What about the Parasites. What about the viruses?

Gary Brea (14:28)

Yeah, I saw the spirochetes in my blood. Because one of the things that we did. If you haven't seen our first podcast, you should really go back and watch it. And right around that time, I did a post on Instagram. If you scroll down, it's probably still on there where we took it and we went back and we put it on a slide and looked at it under a microscope in your office. What was astounding to me was we burst that little sack and we sort of smeared it on a slide. So gross. And, and, and looked at it and you could see the. The little spirochet.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (14:55)

Correct.

Gary Brea (14:55)

Parasites. These little helminths. And. Excuse me, you could see my. My white blood cells, my macrophages kind of going after it like little Pacman, which I was. When I looked at that activity and I saw it with my own eyes, and we took that from the bottom of the tooth that you removed. I was not only convinced, I was committed to getting your message out. And. And that's why I also interviewed Dom and really just trying to spread the word of biologic dentistry, because I think pain and symptomology is what drives people to seek attention. And unfortunately, this has symptoms, but they're not the symptoms that you link back to the oral cavity. There are symptoms of other kinds of chronic disease, autoimmune, cardiovascular, you know, psychiatric. But you're not linking these back to the oral cavity because you don't have any symptoms here.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (15:53)

Correct.

Gary Brea (15:53)

And.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (15:54)

And that's where. Well, first, thank you for getting the message out there. I mean, you've made a world of difference with biological dentists. I've. I've done this all around the world that I'm friends with, really. And by us doing that podcast, it helped get the word out there, and we're not afraid of talking about it. Right before, the message was like, hey, don't. Don't talk about it, just do it. And we've known each other for a.

Gary Brea (16:15)

While, sadly, because it's outside the box.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (16:17)

Correct. And it's so hard to get that message out. But now it's like, okay, well, the science is backing us. It's. There's nothing weird we're doing is we're just following the science. And if someone is having these issues like you talked about, psych issues. Well, if you have pathogens on your trigeminal nerve, they're going to go connect to the vagus nerve down over near your neck area, and then go shoot up back to your brain. So now you're in sympathetic and parasympathetic. Your body can't decide. So of course you're going to have psychosis, you're going to have all these issues. So if we can get every medical profession out there, hey, like treat the patient, but bring a Panorex, bring an X ray, just a visualization, a 2D visualization of what you have going on, and just simplicity. You're not going to diagnose. I mean, just take a look. Oh, well, you had some dental work here. Go find the proper dentist and see if this can be correlated. And we work as a team because that's the only way to get this out there and get optimal health for patients.

Gary Brea (17:16)

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Dr. Jagar Gandhi (18:15)

There is. We're gonna, We'll. I'll give the link. So then the.

Gary Brea (18:18)

Okay, so I'll link that in the show notes.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (18:20)

Because it's also not just a biological dentist. We want to make sure that they're fully trained.

Gary Brea (18:24)

Okay, great.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (18:25)

And they, they can follow the same protocols. Like the same protocols that work used on you used in Sage, used on even Max, everything. We could talk about this before Max out there.

Gary Brea (18:37)

Max, we just through your medical information to 2 million people. Yeah, no, you've worked on my whole team. I mean, with, with incredible results. You actually owe Max a tooth too. He owes two people in this room too. Dude, come on, bro.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (18:49)

You guys are so busy, you just come Monday by like, don't.

Gary Brea (18:53)

Did you bring it with You, I mean, can we pop it in on the podcast?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (18:56)

Here you go.

Gary Brea (18:59)

What was actually really cool is the last time I was in there, I was like, hey, you know, by the way, I chipped this tooth right here. And you're like, no problem, fix the little chip that I had in my tooth real, real quick like, like, like a MacGyver. But yeah, I mean, calling attention to it is important. And I think, you know, when you went in there and removed the tooth from me last time, I was really, it made perfect sense the mechanics of what you were doing, because you ran ozone and down into my jaw. You ran red light, I even think green light into my jaw. And. And then you took my blood, spun it down and made these little slugs called prf, platelet rich fibrin and, and packed them into the, to the wound. So took, take my platelets, which, remember, platelets are these cells that carry growth factors and they're all, all the healing power of the human body. And most people have heard of prp, platelet rich plasma. You know, it's infamous for being injected into joints and whatnot. But when you can actually concentrate the power of the human body in one location, I was actually very surprised how well I healed, how little pain that I had. You know, I had some pain that night, which you handle with Motrin, but I didn't take pain medication after the first night. Didn't really interrupt my sleep and interrupted my chewing for a few days. Stitches healed, it's completely was painless thereafter. But what I got out of it, the level of mental clarity and the fact that all of these symptoms, you know, almost immediately disappeared, was astounding. But what I remember from the surgery is when the tooth came out there wasn't. It didn't bleed much at all.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (20:38)

Correct.

Gary Brea (20:39)

And my gum was very light pink and it was oxygen deprived. And you said, that's a bad sign. And I remember you worked on it until we saw the bright red flesh, fresh blood, because you wanted that blood supply to return. You wanted the immune system to be able to get there. You wanted to be able to flush out the toxins. And it just made so much sense to me. I remember when I had the root canal done, it was like wham, bam, thank you, ma' am. It was just. I mean, the waiting room was full. There was a line of treatment rooms in this dental office I went to. I won't say who it was, but a line of treatment rooms and all these dentists did was root canals and they were just turning people through There. And, I mean, he drilled it to the root canal, packed it, and I was out the door so fast, I almost felt like, wow, that was. That was a really quick procedure. I wonder if he got everything. I wonder if he sanitized. I just remember I had that on my mind. And then when we looked at the cone beam X ray, there was an air gap in there, and then the infection.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (21:44)

Correct.

Gary Brea (21:45)

And I think dentistry is probably the only practice of medicine that still believes you can leave dead tissue in the body. Yeah, a cardiologist doesn't believe that. Nephrologists don't believe that. You know, a colorectal surgeon would tell you if the valve's necrotic, you got to take it out. Right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (22:00)

The. The crazy part for that is, like, when you think of if a tooth is sensitive, right, you put a little desensitizer there. There's 2 million tubules on a tooth or more, right. On each tooth. So whenever you do the root canal procedure, you're taking out the main nerve, so now it's dead. So all of a sudden, sensitivity goes away. But think of a tooth like a sponge. It's going to soak up all the water that you spilled. Now, when you do that procedure, do you think all the 2 million tubules are plugged? No, but they did a great service for you, because if you had severe pain or acute pain, got to get you out of pain, Right? So the procedure still is necessary in dentistry, but what's going to happen after the fact? We need to plan for the future to prevent any other disease from starting. Right? Because there is going to be something that happens. We all start breaking down somehow, Right? And if we want optimal health, then. Okay, well, this is a problem here. What are we going to address it now or in the future? A few years from now? A few. Whenever. But at least the patient has a game plan.

Gary Brea (23:00)

Yeah, right. You know what was really interesting is you and I geek out a lot. We text, we test things back and forth. I mean, look at this study. Look at this study.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (23:09)

The photos.

Gary Brea (23:10)

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. He sends these gnarly surgical photos, which maybe I'll throw a couple of in the show notes so you guys can, if you're as gory as I am. But they all have, you know, a happy ending.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (23:21)

That's probably good thing.

Gary Brea (23:23)

Yes. They all have a bright spot at the end of the story. And you know where you see this. These mouths just wrecked and torn apart and then this beautiful smile emerge. And, you know, one of. One of the articles that you sent me, that I took a deep dive on was. Was actually looking at the pathogens that are in some of these root canals, identified as the same pathogens that they're finding in a lot of cardiac pathology, including plaquing, scarring, narrowing, calcifications, atherosclerosis, arteriosclerosis. And when you. And then they talk about it in this study, and I'll put the link in the show notes below because I don't want you to have to make a medical claim, but when they were mapping these pathways directly down to the heart and you can see that these bacteria and these pathogens have a wide open hallway to walk through the. Not even any closed doors right into cardiac pathology. And the fact that they were able to isolate the exact pathogenic species from the jaw in the heart. And as the genesis of some of these pathologies, I was like. My head was like, poof. You know, it just exploded. And I believe that, Dennis, like yourself, especially under this new administration, I think you're going to see a wider lane opening under MAHA for practicing this type of dental medicine. Because right now, the. What do they call it, the standard of care or the scope of practice sometimes keeps physicians and dentists in a certain box, and there's risk going outside of that. And I think as we drive patient awareness, which hopefully this podcast will do, you know, hopefully we'll see those things become a little more.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (25:20)

Yeah, I agree with you. You know, with. We have a surgeon general, but we don't have a dentist general.

Gary Brea (25:26)

Right, Good point.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (25:28)

There's no. There's nobody.

Gary Brea (25:30)

And hopefully it will be Casey means here very soon.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (25:33)

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And hopefully, you know, she considers a dentist on her team as well. Because without your teeth, what are you going to do? Like, how do you process foods? Right. How are you going to get things into your body? Through an IV.

Gary Brea (25:46)

Trying to get her on the podcast on the 21st. So I'll ask her if she lands. I have her brother.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (25:50)

Yeah. 100. Because it's something that we just gotta work as a team.

Gary Brea (25:53)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (25:54)

And if we work as a team, then we can figure out the root of disease.

Gary Brea (25:59)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (25:59)

Chronic issues. And maybe we don't need to spend as much money on medical care because.

Gary Brea (26:04)

So if somebody's had a root canal, I mean, it's possible that it's not infected, right?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (26:09)

Correct. It's probably 100. If it's done really well.

Gary Brea (26:11)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (26:11)

100.

Gary Brea (26:12)

Yeah. Um, but if you've had a root canal and you don't have any symptoms, what are Some of the reasons why you should go seek a biologic dentist.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (26:22)

Yeah. So to trace it through the meridian chart, are they having any issues, like, for you, like. Okay, well, I'm not going to ask you if your toe is bothering you as a dentist. Right. But if you'd let me know. But you did, actually. I did.

Gary Brea (26:34)

When I. When I took the picture of the tooth.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (26:35)

Yeah. I knew what was going on because I saw you stop your toe a few times before. Yeah. What is this guy doing? Why you keep stopping?

Gary Brea (26:41)

Yeah, I would just tap it.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (26:42)

And then when. Then after that, I'm like, okay, I put it together. I'm like, hey, this is what's going on, dude.

Gary Brea (26:46)

You asked me about left anterior shoulder pain, left lower low pain, and my left big toe. I mean, it was so specific. And by the time you got into the lung, I was like, you're freaking me out a little bit. When you said the toe. Yeah, I really freaked out because I didn't even. I haven't even told Sage, you know, that it's not like I'm walking around going, you know, once in a while my toe itches.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (27:06)

Yeah.

Gary Brea (27:06)

It just was like a thing that wasn't one of those things that would drive you to the emergency room or make me go to the urgent care. And I always thought it was like I just sat on my leg wrong, and I would only get that catch when I would exercise, but it was the exact same spot on the left side every time. So I was like, maybe that's just where I'm getting a diaphragm cramp. And then the shoulder. I was like, maybe I just have a minor bicep issue. You know, it's like biohacker. I'm like, I kind of know what that is. It's. Oh, yeah, that's bicep attended. But then, bang, it was. It was gone. And I. And when you walked in today, I said, I've got to tell you, so many of the referrals that I've sent to you have text me, and I showed you some of the texts when you got here, have text me with these miraculous turnarounds in things that they thought were chronic or totally un. Unrelated.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (27:56)

Yeah. And no, I appreciate that because I treated hundreds of patients who come from the podcast, even got some testimonials that they wrote.

Gary Brea (28:04)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (28:04)

You know, for you.

Gary Brea (28:05)

Do we have a rough share in place with him? Should we be getting. No, I'm just kidding.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (28:09)

It's all good.

Gary Brea (28:09)

No, I love. No, no, I. I love the fact.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (28:12)

That you're doing this, you know, they, they're flying in from around the world because of this and they can't find the right care. And going back to your story, I freak out a lot of my friends and people I'm with because they're like, ah, what the hell, like how's, how's he know? But all you need is a 2D x ray, a Panorax like and just to take a look, not for any diagnosis. And then compare it to the meridian chart. The meridian chart, we have one interactive on our website. You can just click on each tooth and they'll tell you the references of what it points to. And it's 5,000 year old Chinese medicine. But yeah, they figured it out. So it's nothing that I'm doing that's new. They, they laid out the groundwork and just following it. Right. And it works every time. And with, they might not have symptoms like you didn't have symptoms all the time, but that once in a while. But that once in a while, maybe like five minutes a day becomes ten minutes a day, then an hour a day and then becomes every single day. And then you just get used to it. You're like, oh whatever, I'll take a Motrin, I'll take an Advil, whatever, you know, for it. And I just learned to live with it. But why are you living with it? The body should heal. That. That sign of one thing off should be a light bulb. I need to get checked out.

Gary Brea (29:20)

Right? Yeah, I totally agree. And I think, you know, there's, you know, the pandemic probably did all of us a big favor and it sort of woke people up to wellness. Becoming a citizen scientist, taking a lot of these choices into our own hands. And I think if nothing else, if you find a biologic dentist, I mean there's no harm in going in, making an appointment and getting a cone beam X ray, if that's what correct they use and just seeing for certainty because I'm not sure that some of these full body scans, like a pronovo, they clearly is all the heart.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (29:55)

Yeah, they won't show it clearly. No, it's. You need a dental 3D CT because I've gotten those quite a bit. Your daughter.

Gary Brea (30:03)

Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (30:04)

She's like, hey, what's going on with this person? Yeah, I kind of see a little bit here, you know, but definitely a dental 3D scan or CT scan, but.

Gary Brea (30:11)

The pronova will kind of wake you up and say there might be a pathology here and then you can go in and zero in on it.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (30:15)

Yeah, yeah. But like going back to the, the cardiac issues like the plaque. Right. If they had the wisdom teeth, we know according to Marie and chart are connected to the heart. Right. All four chambers of the heart. Now, if you have elevated what we talked about before with cytokines, cytokine, this is Frantis or CCL5. If it's elevated, that can cause plaque in the vessels. But the Pronovo scan might not show it yet, but in the future it's developing. So if there's an issue here in the jawbone, we should address that prior to the plaque showing up.

Gary Brea (30:51)

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Dr. Jagar Gandhi (32:03)

Like, every day it's goosebumps. Every day something else. Yeah.

Gary Brea (32:07)

You send me some of them.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (32:09)

Yeah, it's just surprise. Like yesterday I did a surgery about six hours long, insane surgery. And today I saw him for his follow up. Like, how you doing? He's like, I feel totally different. Like, I mean, literally, you got beat up.

Gary Brea (32:23)

Like, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (32:25)

He had severe infections in his jawbone and I, I recorded some of the videos so I could send them clips of it, but he's like, I feel different today. Yeah, he's swollen a little bit, you know, but he's like I just feel different. And one of the things I've noticed on every patient who goes to this treatment, cleaning up their jawbone clean, taking out the stuff that shouldn't be there. Their eyes lighten up their patients when. And these patients are asleep for the next day, see them, their eyes just are totally different. Really? Yeah, it just clears it up. There's just something about it. I mean, it makes sense. All the pathogens are here, right? Your eyes, and they clear up. But the ones who are awake when I do the procedure, when I get that last little speck out of there cleaned up, you can just feel the energy. It happened on you too? Yeah, it was on everybody, Max. Everybody, right?

Gary Brea (33:10)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (33:11)

As soon as I get that speck out, it's. The blood's flowing like, hey, how you doing? All of a sudden, hey, how you doing? It's totally different. They feel it, right? Because it just opens up. It's like brain fog on psychosis gone. It's insane. Like joint pain, gone, shoulder pain, neck pain, you name it. It just. There could be other stuff there, you know, but they're starting to feel the difference there.

Gary Brea (33:34)

It makes a lot of sense to me because, you know, along the lines of this immuno fatigue, a lot of the viruses, some that you just named, people think that they catch these viruses, but very often you don't catch them. These are not things that are happening to you. They're things that are happening within you. Right. Because there are things that you've always had that are becoming recurrent. So if you had mono in 8th grade, let's say it comes back as Epstein Barr as an adult, if you had chickenpox, you know, it comes back as shingles. If you have the JV virus, it can lead to, you know, infections in the brain. So these are viruses that are already woven into our DNA, and the immune system doesn't have a problem silencing these. Every time a cell divides, replicates, these viruses are silenced. But when you have a chronic low grade infection, I think the important thing to understand is, yes, our immune system is good at managing these things, but only for a period of time.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (34:36)

Yes.

Gary Brea (34:36)

Right. It's like, you know, even the greatest fighters rest. They don't just stay in the ring and fight. And if the immune system is, is in this low grade fight constantly, it gets exhausted, the immune system runs down, and this is what triggers these viral pathogens. And so, you know, you're not saying, you know, the root canal caused the Epstein barb, the root canal caused the Infection which ran down the immune system, which allowed for this EBV infection or a cytomegalovirus infection, or it allowed a Lyme infection to become recurrent or shingles or any number of things. It makes perfect sense because you are depleting the police force that's there to protect you. And are there, are there specific markers when, when you're looking at the blood of patients that have these infections, what kind of markers would they see? It's not going to be on typical blood work.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (35:35)

Correct.

Gary Brea (35:35)

I mean, maybe C reactive protein, but what kind of markers would you see on a panel or would you pull to see if maybe a chronic infection might be the underlying issue?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (35:45)

So the problem is, majority of time it shows nothing. Right. You can pull the Interleukin 1, Interleukin 16 of Alpha Rantis or CCL5 and it's going to show nothing. But you have these hidden chronic infections. The problem is the body is walled it off. The jaw, not the body, the jawbone has walled this infection off, basically encapsulated. Right. So the blood can't get to it and it's just a swamp inside. So that's the biggest problem. That's one of the reasons why it goes undiagnosed or hidden for years. So trying to get the blood work and saying, okay, well, where is this coming from? It's not one of those things that we do routinely, because knowing that, hey, there's a chronic issue inside here, let's clean it up and then let's see what happens. And they, once it's cleaned up, everything goes perfect for them.

Gary Brea (36:33)

What, what would you say are the most common, 3, 4, 5 symptoms that you see, having treated so many patients when they get in the chair? Is it headaches, is it neurological issues, is it brain fog? What are some of the unresolved things that you hear over and over again?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (36:52)

So brain fog, Brain fog, IBS or gut issues, Fatigue, joint issues, Fibromyalgia. Well, that's part of it. Right.

Gary Brea (37:05)

I feel like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. Are these just big casting nets that don't really mean anything. Well, they do. I mean, they, they, they give you a name for the symptoms you're having. But I don't feel like when you're told you have chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia that it's a thing that you can treat.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (37:21)

Correct.

Gary Brea (37:22)

You know, so you hear that pretty.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (37:24)

Yeah. And autoimmune.

Gary Brea (37:26)

Autoimmune.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (37:27)

Yeah, it's an autoimmune cells so fast. Yeah, same thing. Like fibromyalgia is vast.

Gary Brea (37:33)

Right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (37:34)

Joint pain so vast. And it's because something is off their. Their immune system. Like you just said, it's constantly fight or flight. Constantly sympathetic overdrive, and it doesn't know what to do. And then the trigeminal nerve is linked to the vagus nerve. They're connected. So now if someone can't get into parasympathetic, how are they supposed to digest their food?

Gary Brea (37:53)

Digest? Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (37:54)

How are they supposed to do that? You can give them all the supplements you want in the world. They're like, it's not working.

Gary Brea (37:58)

Right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (37:58)

Right.

Gary Brea (37:59)

Because they're stuck in this fight or flight state.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (38:01)

Yep.

Gary Brea (38:01)

You know, it's interesting. I was preparing for a talk not too long ago, and I was, I was just looking up stats on autoimmune disease. And depending on the autoimmune disease, it ranges between 80 and 90 plus percent of all autoimmune disease is idiopathic, meaning of unknown origin. So somewhere between 80 and 90 and sometimes more than 90% of the time. I don't remember the exact statistics for each one, but my jaw hit the floor. When you're told that you have an autoimmune disease. Hashimoto's, Chagrins, Lupus, Crohn's. When you're told that you have this autoimmune disease, um, it's of unknown origin, they go, well, we don't really know why you had it. Oh, well, you know, your, your, your aunt on your mom's side had it and your uncle on your father's side had it. So it's probably familial. Even though there's no gene that you know would. Would be linked to that autoimmune disease. And if that vast percentage of autoimmune disease where you're led to believe, okay, you woke up one morning and your immune system decided to just randomly attack the colon. So now you have Crohn's, and it decided to randomly attack the thyroid. So you have Hashimoto's. It randomly attack the lacrimal gland in your eye. You have Chagrins. The. It's hard to subscribe to that. Like, I woke up one day and my immune system just went haywire. Very likely you woke up one day and the immune system couldn't keep whatever it was at bay any longer. And the sad thing about most people that are diagnosed with an autoimmune disease is that's when the search stops, because they say you have Hashimoto's, so you need Levothyroxine synthroid, armour, thyroid for the rest of your life. And the patient goes, okay, I have this disease, probably got it from my ancestor, and the search stops. But that's kind of where the search should begin, in my opinion, because I don't believe anything and I don't have all the answers, but I just don't believe that anything in the human body is idiopathic. Yeah, I don't think anything is unknown origin. I believe that we night not know what it is. But a diagnosis should not be out of thin air of unknown origin. It that should start the search, not end the search. Yeah, you know, I mean, I agree.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (40:24)

I just recently met a doctor in St. Louis and he said something very special to me. He's like, I treat the symptom, not the diagnosis. It's like, that's very interesting because we're so into diagnosis. ICD9 codes or ADA codes. Like, hey, this is the dental code. This is the medical code that everyone needs a diagnosis. No, let's go back, take a step back, look at the symptoms. What are the symptoms? How are we going to challenge the body to fix itself? So if we get rid of whatever is blockage, the body can heal. And that's what I love about the human body. And that's why I got along with them so well, because it's like we're both in the same field. You're a medical doctor, I'm a dentist. This is what we want because the human body can heal and it heals really well. Like it's God's given gift somehow created us to heal. Yes, but we have these obstacles and roadblocks in the way. Yeah, and then you label like, oh, you have a diagnosis, here's Hashimoto's, or here's lupus, and then just deal with it. But then what do you. How do you deal with it? You get a pill, but if you can't digest, then how. How's it going to work? Like, it's like, let's go back to the basics. And that's the fun part about biological dentistry. It's like, I love playing detective, work with the patients. Like, okay, well, when was this first thing done for you? Okay, from. Let's go back in time and let's. Did something happen? Did something change for you? Teenagers all the time, they're like, they would call it freshman 15 or 20, whatever it's called now. They're like, yeah, I started gaining weight and just my, I started having gut issues. But what did you have a few months Prior? Oh, yeah, I just saw the dentist. I got my wisdom teeth taken out right before I go to college. Okay, well, that's the only thing you had done. Anything else? They're like, no, okay, so what? Maybe we should just take a look there and that's our starting point. Because if your life changed from that starting point, let's go back to it and let's see what we can do and how to make a difference for you.

Gary Brea (42:07)

Yeah, right. Yeah. And I think that, you know, this is opening up whole field. Have you. Have you seen. And I'm not asking you to make a medical claim by any means, but have you observed patients that had autoimmune conditions of any kind go into remission? Or have you seen their antibodies turn off to the point where we would say, okay, that condition is now in remission?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:30)

Yeah. I have a patient who allowed me to share a testimony. Tasha. Yeah.

Gary Brea (42:34)

Really?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:34)

Yeah. Her autoimmune, it's gone. I've seen bar virus gone.

Gary Brea (42:37)

Really? Yeah. Where can I see that testimony?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:39)

Right here? Yeah.

Gary Brea (42:40)

Oh, right here.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:41)

I could post it.

Gary Brea (42:41)

Yeah, she did my phone.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:42)

She gave me a whole testimony.

Gary Brea (42:44)

Oh, she did?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:45)

Yeah. Yeah.

Gary Brea (42:45)

All right, so I'll throw in the show notes.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:47)

Yeah. Yeah.

Gary Brea (42:47)

Okay. That's great. Thank you, Natasha.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:48)

Yeah.

Gary Brea (42:49)

So what. What autoimmune did she have?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (42:51)

Epstein Barr virus and something? I. I don't know the specifics about it, but she went into the whole detail. Yeah, but every. And then she had joint pain and completely gone. Everything. Yeah.

Gary Brea (43:02)

So many people with diffused joint pain. And, and, and do you think that that's because the immune system is distracted? Or do you think that these. Do you think that these bugs are migrating to low blood flow areas of the. The body like joints, tendons, ligaments, you know, cartilage surfaces, things like that, where they can retreat, you know, Lyme disease, for example, is infamous for hiding in what's called the dorsal root ganglion. So retreating to this area of really limited blood flow, it's like running into a dark alley so the authorities can't really see you. I mean, viruses are great at doing that.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (43:37)

I think it's both, actually, because there's also the parasites there. Right. But the two parts I would say to that is one, that it's inhibiting the blood flow or the electric, because if we look at the meridian charts or the meridian pathways, it's energy flow. So if we're. And the human body is high power electricity, so if electricity wires cut, it can't flow anymore. If you look at high Power lines, like an electrical plant, the electricity can jump and that's how the human body is. So it tries to make it up and it's like I'm going to keep on going and going until I can anymore. So when the flow is stopped, that's when the disease starts. So that's part of it, another part. It's definitely hiding on the, on the nerve itself. Because when I clean up the, the jawbone, especially in the wisdom teeth area, I could see the inferior alveolar nerve, which is what we call the Ian nerve, that gives us innervation sensory to our lower jaw. And literally yesterday I was cleaning up, I could see the whole strand there, but I'm cleaning all the pathogens off of it. And an X ray, you just see a black area and a white circle. So you know that's the nerve. Okay, but how deep and how infected is, you don't know until you get in there. And when you get in there, like, oh, whoa, that's his whole nerve there. And I'm cleaning those. So now imagine all those pathogens, just not viruses, but parasites, mold or fungus and bacteria, they're making their way back up into the brain, right? Because they love that nerve, right? They love it's retrograde axonal transport, right? So they want to go backwards. And now from there, now they got access to the rest of the body because they all, they're going to communicate with each other and then make themselves wherever they want to go hide. And then that's where the joint pain or disease or organ stuff.

Gary Brea (45:11)

And I think it's important to point out that's why it's not linked to just one thing, right? I mean, that's why it can, it can manifest itself in so many different ways. You know, I talked about this with this condition, diffuse vasculitis or dystonia vasculitis, where there's certain thing, I won't say what that thing is. You can probably read between the lines, which causes proliferation of spike protein and causes the lining of the vessel to be irritated and inflamed. And when you inflame that much surface area in the body, which is about six tennis courts versus the surface area of the skin, which is about half a tennis court. And I'm talking about the lining of the blood vessel. So you get an inflammatory condition, diffuse vasculitis, dystonia vasculitis, in this part of the body, you've interrupted the most important blood brain exchange in a human being. Because now nutrients and raw materials, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, what have you that are in the blood cannot exit into the tissue and waste from the tissue, and I don't mean stool or you, and I mean cellular waste, can't exit the tissue and get back into the blood. And so the myriad of symptoms that come from this is not just singular. And that's why people have a hard time accepting that this one hub can lead to all of these spokes.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (46:33)

Correct.

Gary Brea (46:33)

And I feel like biologic dentistry is like this, you know, this one infection in the jaw, Whether it's parasitic, viral, bacterial, or combination or fungal or mold or mycotoxin, this infection can. Man. Excuse me. Manifest itself like this. Like this. Like this. I mean, it goes from noon all the way back around.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (46:54)

Yes.

Gary Brea (46:55)

And I think when something has that diffuse of a myriad of symptoms, it's hard to say it's that. And that's why I think it's so important to just bring awareness to this, because it may be as simple as you finding a biologic dentist in this registry that you're going to share with us and going in, making an appointment and saying, let's get our teeth cleaned and let's just do this cone beam X ray just for peace of mind. It's like going in and getting a Pronovo scan or a full body MRI and do this, you know, just for peace of mind.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (47:27)

Yeah. Like one of the patients you shared, and she also said I could say her name. Amelia. She came up and stage talked to her for a while, and she was like, you know, on the fence of what was going on. So she came up and she's like, I have trouble lifting my kid. And that was touching because it's a newborn and she can't lift her child. And I was like, okay. And then she's telling me she is symptoms with IBS and chronic joint. It's like, okay, we did the surgery. Next day, she's lifting a little kid. Like, what's going on? Like, my pain's gone. I'm like, there's no way she told me. I'm like, there's no way she told me about that. And that's why I'm stunned. It gives me goosebumps every time. The next day, I'm like, wow, now.

Gary Brea (48:07)

Her big boss is in the city, too. Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (48:09)

And her IBS is gone. She's like, I don't want to share, like, you know, tmi, but she's, like, completely gone. She always had trouble.

Gary Brea (48:15)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (48:15)

And I was like, okay, because. And that just confirms, like, because I do all the studying it takes like, 7, 500 hours to graduate dental school in four years. Just education. I mean, I've studied over 25,000 hours after that because just me and you like how we geek out. And when I see something, it's like, go down that rabbit hole. Love reading.

Gary Brea (48:35)

Oh, no. You're always sending me slides from lectures, and I'm like, half of these I would love to go to.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (48:39)

Yeah. You know, it's interesting because it's like I. I fly around the world to go. Go learn. Because it's like, this is just. Wait, you just did that, and that person healed. What am I doing wrong? Or how did I mess up on somebody? Because it's a Hippocratic oath. It's. It's an ethical duty of mine. It's like, I can't do something wrong, and if I did something, I need to reverse it.

Gary Brea (48:58)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (48:58)

And. And it's just. It's. It goes all around. And that's the thing with. It's hard to pinpoint one symptom or one issue.

Gary Brea (49:07)

But you know what's really exciting about that is I often try to make the argument that usually multiple things in the human body don't fail at the same time. They don't. Like, you don't wake up with a mental illness, an autoimmune disease, irritable bowel syndrome, chronic infection, a viral pathogen, parasite, paresthesia, all of these things. Usually what happens is one thing goes wrong that causes everything instead of multiple things failing at the same time. And we rarely go back and look at what was the first domino to fall. And we're so far down the line of dominoes that we're going, well, you know, you don't think like, I just had a client, and I am not a physician and not licensed to practice medicine. I was there with a licensed physician. What was really interesting is he had a pretty severe neurological condition, which they thought was Parkinson's. He didn't respond to the Parkinson's treatment. And. And it's getting progressively and progressively and progressively work. And then I. And then we're looking through the. The blood work, and there are all these specific interleukins. So all of these cytokines secreted from white blood cells. And if you actually map the different interleukins, it will kind of tell you what that white blood cell was in the presence of. Right. It will secrete a certain interleukin for one kind of enemy, and it'll secrete a different interleukin for another kind of enemy. And so I look. I was looking at all these interleukins. I go, you know what's really interesting is each of these interleukins are cytokine secretions for the presence of a virus. So this definitely looks viral. Then we looked at the urine test and it was like, wow, they have a Borrelia bacteria, which is a Lyme co infection bacteria in their urine. Really high levels of this Lyme co infection bacteria. And then we start to back up the clock. And lo and behold, I talked to him and he's like, yeah, I had lyme disease in 2018. And my head went. And I was like, how did the neurologists miss this? Because that's not something that should be discarded. Correct. So what happened was this infection happened, they thought it was fixed, it stayed low grade. And then the dominoes started to fall. Autoimmune neural inflammatory conditions, you know, showing up as a neurological disorder, then showing up in the prefrontal cortex and then affecting memory and then mood and then emotion. And so by the time you get as far down the road as we were, you're not really thinking of, how do we go all the way back to the beginning and see if we can find that first domino? Let's just start standing these things up in reverse.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (52:00)

Cool.

Gary Brea (52:01)

And I feel like for a lot of people, these oral cavitations are that domino.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (52:07)

Yeah.

Gary Brea (52:08)

Because it's especially frustrating for people like me that I would consider to be, you know, taking fairly good care of themselves. Right. I don't, certainly don't profess to be Mother Teresa, but I'm conscious of the food that I'm eating, I'm conscious of my sleep, I'm conscious of my air and my water and, and, you know, so. And there are a lot of people like that. We exercise regularly, get sunlight, all the, all the things. And, and yet there's. There's something that's just off that you can't put a finger on.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (52:39)

Yeah.

Gary Brea (52:39)

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Dr. Jagar Gandhi (53:44)

And I agree 100 with you because the. We see patients who are athletic and. But they gained a little bit of weight, then they lost weight. Right. And then all of a sudden, they're on this diet, and they're like, I just got sick. Was it the diet that made me sick, or was it what I have inside my mouth? Then you have patients who are overweight, obese. They're like, everything's fine on them. Their mouths are a complete mess because their bodies of visceral fat can secure the toxins. Visceral fat, abdominal fat holds onto toxins. Right. Then they start to lose weight, and they're like, I just got sick. I should just gain the weight back. No, it's. You lost the. The whole thing started years ago when you had all this done. You gained the weight. There's a reason why you gained the weight. Not just because of poor lifestyle. It's because you couldn't digest the food properly, because you went into sympathetic overdrive, but your body was handling it. And then you decided, hey, I want to go to. I want to get healthy again. I want to lose all this weight, which is great. Then you got sick.

Gary Brea (54:49)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (54:49)

So they're like, damn, what did I do wrong? I just been. Just been overweight.

Gary Brea (54:54)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (54:54)

That's a complete wrong thing to do. Yeah, it's. We got to go back to that starting point. And that's the fun part, that. That's the part where the patient has to be their own advocate, do a timeline. And that. That just helps us all out. It helps you out because you overlook a lot of people's care underneath the medical team. Right?

Gary Brea (55:12)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (55:12)

And it just helps get to that. Okay, well, now that's where it started. Let's. Let's go look at that. And then if we get to that starting point and everything just arises.

Gary Brea (55:20)

Yeah, totally agree. You know, so I think we've hammered home the need for people to get this checked out. You know, I often talk about my, my morning routine, my sleep routine, and part of my morning routine, and I want to get your opinion on this is, you know, taking our oral care routine from just being the bare minimum, which is just brush your teeth, to what I would call like platinum oral care routine. So how important, in your opinion, is it to add tongue scraping, flossing, things like oil pulling? Are you a fan of those? Because, like, my oral routine is I use a hydroxyapatite toothpaste. I'm not a huge fan of using the high fluoride toothpaste floss at night. Swish. I tongue scrape at night and in the morning with copper dunk scraper. Because remember, the copper is not the important thing. It's just that it doesn't harbor the bacteria.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (56:10)

100. Yeah.

Gary Brea (56:12)

And a lot of these are plastic or they're, you know, aluminum. They just don't have the same capacity to be bacteria as copper. And those, those things are dirt cheap. I mean, I think you get it for five, six bucks on Amazon. But it is astounding how much better I feel when I just add those few little things. Just the tongue scraping. I keep a little dish of organic extra virgin olive oil, and I'll just take a half a tablespoon of it and I'll swish as long as I can. I never do 12 or 15 minutes. Like, yeah, it's like, dude, your mouth gets exhausted.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (56:48)

30 seconds feels like 10 minutes.

Gary Brea (56:50)

My ADHD kicks in. I'm like, screw this, dude. This is like, this is an absolute pain in the ass. But amazing how much better I feel. And my gums used to be really sensitive. They're not sensitive at all now. My teeth are not sensitive at all. So how, how, how important is that oral care routine? And where would you say each of those things falls on the spectrum?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (57:16)

The tongue scraping 100 super important mouthwash I would get rid of.

Gary Brea (57:20)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (57:20)

I don't pour it out because the biggest thing is some of them are floor cleaners or antiseptics, whatever you're using. Biggest problem with mouth washes, you end up wiping out the good bacteria plus a bad bacteria. But then you also low in nitric oxide. Right. Because it starts from the back of the tongue. So then people are low in nitric oxide, low in energy. So just get rid of that coconut oil pulling, virgin olive oil pulling 100 important. Try at least five minutes, you know.

Gary Brea (57:45)

Okay.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (57:46)

Do recommend 10 minutes, but. Yeah, let's get five minutes.

Gary Brea (57:48)

Three to five.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (57:48)

I think I can do.

Gary Brea (57:49)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (57:49)

So. And then don't, don't spit it down in the bathtub, you know, but in like someone's going to slip after you.

Gary Brea (57:56)

Yeah, I know. You shouldn't be spitting in your bathtub anyway. I mean, that's a whole different discussion. But I spit it into the garbage can. I'm afraid that it will like cool off and coagulate again.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (58:06)

It'll be a problem. I think with toothpaste, that's the biggest thing. I use a tooth powder because anytime a paste is formed, there might be a chemical in there. So I use a tooth powder, okay. Has beta 9 clay in it, has cinnamon in it, has, okay, hydroxyapatite in it, like particle form. So I like using that.

Gary Brea (58:24)

Yeah, I've used the. I've used the dry chewable tablets too. Yep, I've used those before too. I forget what the brand was. If I find out, I'll link it in the show notes. No, I don't have affiliation with any of those. But. But you know, that's made a huge difference. Flossing and oil pulling has made a huge difference, man. If you just want your mouth to feel good, Correct. Brush, tongue, scrape, floss really well and then oil pull. Either with something really thin, like a coconut oil, I mean, a extra virgin olive oil, or I take, I take the whole coconut oil thing and pull it in there, man. When you spit that out when you're done, no, something feels like just healthy and alive in there. And it adds two or three minutes to your oil care. I mean your oral care routine and five bucks to your budget.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (59:13)

Well, the, the floss is super important, right? So you got to make sure it's not. Doesn't have PFAs, all those forever chemicals in there. Because a lot of the floss is not good. It has plastics. Now you got microplastic toxicity going into your gums. Remember those blood vessels? All the gums are alive, right?

Gary Brea (59:29)

Yeah. Now some good floss teams.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (59:32)

So no affiliation.

Gary Brea (59:33)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (59:34)

Cocoa floss is one of them. Cocoa, yeah. And then David's has one which are clean and everything clean. But water pick. A simple water pick.

Gary Brea (59:43)

Yeah, Water picks.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (59:43)

Yeah. That will do the trick, right? It'll get the food out in between the teeth naturally, like flossing. Super important because we're told flossing is important. But around the teeth can remineralize. If you have the right diet and taking good care of yourself, the teeth are going to remine. Right. It's hard for food. If food's getting stuck between your teeth, there's a problem. There are. Either you have recession Periodontal disease. So get over to the dentist and figure out why you get food stuck between the teeth.

Gary Brea (60:07)

Right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (60:07)

Majority of time. Food should not. Not the spillways that she just washed right between. Right.

Gary Brea (60:12)

But it's amazing how many times I swish at night and I'll see, like, a little particle come out.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (60:17)

Yeah.

Gary Brea (60:17)

You know, and I'm just, like, just happy that I did it. Well, what else does my audience need to know about biologic dentistry? Why they should seek, you know, consult with a biologic dentist or what symptom might they be having right now that they can't put a finger on? Where your antenna goes up and says, you should come see somebody like me.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (60:42)

That's exactly why they should see a biological dentist, because. No, that's exactly why. Because they cannot. No, what you said last. Because no one could figure out what's going on. And the biggest. The one of the biggest problems with that is I'm like the 30th person. They see. They've been around everywhere. They spent so much money on their health care.

Gary Brea (60:59)

They're so skeptical. By the time they come together.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (61:00)

Yeah. And then they're like, okay, fine, I'll just do it. And then they're like, I should have started here. I'm like, yeah, unfortunately, like, Dennis, we're the tail. We should be the head. We should be. Teeth are in the head. Right. We should be the first one to go see. It's important to see everybody, but we should be up at the top priority. If that's something that no one could figure out, definitely go see a biological dentist.

Gary Brea (61:21)

Amazing.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (61:22)

But the other thing is preventative care. Right. Why wait for something to go wrong? Just get the scan done. Go to the right biological diets. We'll put a link there. I'll get you the link. So this way, get checked out. And if something's there, you don't need to go after it right away if you don't want to. But at least now you know and you can plan.

Gary Brea (61:41)

Right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (61:42)

Right. And, you know, the major thing in biological dentistry is the ones that we're trained, we look for any metals, anything that's titanium, any. Anything mercury or whatever you wanted, the silver fillings, whatever you want to call it these days, because there's so much vast. You know, there's so much bureaucracy behind it. The metal crowns or gold crowns. Gold crowns are called the gold standard, but it's actually causing galvanic shock. It's. It's causing low grade electrocution.

Gary Brea (62:08)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (62:09)

You know, it's like touching a 9 volt battery. Yeah, we'll touch it all day long.

Gary Brea (62:12)

Show me some of the images. When you take these teeth off and they've got the, they've got those metal.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (62:19)

Yeah. It's all black underneath.

Gary Brea (62:21)

It's all black underneath because it's just been a low since battery.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (62:24)

Yeah. And now how do you say that tooth. That tooth is dead. It's been dead for a long time. Like form and function was. Okay, that's traditional dentistry. But biological dentistry is going past form and function. Right. So we want to see what, what else is going on with that tooth.

Gary Brea (62:36)

Right, right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (62:37)

The next thing is if you have a dead tooth or root canal treated tooth, if there's something, a dead tooth, meaning it was injured, you got into an accident, whatever might be discolored, get that checked out. There could be a low grade infection underneath there that's hidden.

Gary Brea (62:50)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (62:50)

And then if you had a tooth taken out and if it wasn't taken out with the biological dentist, just get it checked out to see if there's something there.

Gary Brea (62:57)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (62:57)

Right. The bite is of course, is important. And then the oral gut connection, that's huge because everything's metabolic. If the gut's not working, how's your body gonna ever process anything? Right. So those are the five major things. The three, the first three things are always like the, the routine. The other two, we want to make sure. And not everyone needs perfect bite. You know, we, we all want one perfect bite, like the detail clue to each other. But as long as it's adequate, we're okay. Because there's a lot of other things to do majority of time.

Gary Brea (63:24)

Right. So for my audience that didn't see the first podcast and doesn't know who you are, how do they find you? How do they find out more about you? Where can they locate you?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (63:34)

Yeah. So they can go to tooth and body.com.

Gary Brea (63:36)

Tooth and body.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (63:36)

Yeah, dot com. And then there's a interactive meridian chart that we talked about and we stressed on this podcast and they could, there's a link there, they can put an inquiry and then we'll get back to them.

Gary Brea (63:46)

Okay, super.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (63:47)

Absolutely.

Gary Brea (63:48)

And you know the final question, because you answered it last time, it's coming. What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (63:54)

So, you know, things have changed. Right. Because last time we did.

Gary Brea (63:58)

Yeah. He's going to say to be filthy rich.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (64:02)

Money is a byproduct of everything. Right. So it's just. So it's optimal, oral, optimal health care. Right. We all want to be healthy and the Thing is, there's so many blocks. There's so much information coming at us like, oh, do this, do this, or do this, do that. Right. It's breaking it down and learning how to be the best person I could be. And what's changed a lot is my spirit. This is something that's become more spiritual. And the energy flow and it's just wild how it tracks. So. Yeah, man, it's just.

Gary Brea (64:39)

Yeah, yeah. It's so good.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (64:40)

It's fun. Yeah.

Gary Brea (64:41)

You're singing my tune, man. I am a big believer in the power of prayer, which is essentially the law of attraction and the law of abundance and frequency and, you know, tying into the quantum. Because there is a lot more that we don't understand and that we can't yet, specifically.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (65:00)

I agree. There is science that explains what we don't understand, but we won't understand it because it's too far out there.

Gary Brea (65:07)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (65:07)

Right. And there are machines out there, gadgets that measure the. The meridians, the electrical voltage. Right. But it's. It's just phenomenal. And when you connect with those people, it's like we were supposed to be in the room together somehow. We took a flight from. You were from coming from Germany, someone's coming from Switzerland, someone's coming from Mexico. We were just supposed to be in that room together.

Gary Brea (65:30)

Yeah. It's wild. I totally agree with you. You know, totally off topic, but Sage and I just recently went to the pyramids in Egypt. And, you know, a lot of people talk about, like, this feeling when you're there, this. This sort of just presence of some, you know, kind of force or spirit. And when you're standing there and you're looking at these 72 ton rocks, solid pieces of granite that weigh 72 tons apiece, and you see them stacked hundreds of feet high, and we're applying all these modern engineering theories on how it happened. And you see that from one corner of the pyramid to the other corner of the pyramid, it's only sank 8 millimeters. 8 millimeters. I used to live in a building in Miami called the Porsche Tower. And it's a building. Yeah, the round one that had the car elevator in it. And I read an article like, five weeks ago, and if you live in the Porsche tower, no, it's not going to fall into the ocean. But I read an article that they went up and did an engineering survey and the building had sank on one side 3.7 inches.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (66:39)

Oh, wow.

Gary Brea (66:39)

I'm like, okay, that thing was built in 2018.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (66:42)

Yeah.

Gary Brea (66:42)

And it has sank three and a half inches, 3.7 inches. The pyramids have been there for 5,000 years and there's a difference of eight millimeters from one side to the other. I mean it's so, it's, it's such a. Yeah. You know, low grade slope that, you know, you can pour water on one side, it won't run to the other. It's just fascinating to me. And I don't go, I'm not down the alien rabbit hole. I'm not, you know, I'm not saying anything supernatural. But you realize that there is a lot that we don't understand. I think that, you know, our society went one way with our understanding of combustion engines and pulleys and levers and traditional science. But there's a whole science, you know, that I think is now becoming more mainstream about spirit spirituality. And by spirituality I don't necessarily mean religion, but spirituality, our connection to each other, purpose, commitment, you know, the, the effect that emotional states have on our health. Gratitude versus vengeance. And, and you know, so I, I think you're right.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (67:46)

Yeah, I, I agree. 100 this like since we met, since we known each other, this has been a spiritual journey for me.

Gary Brea (67:53)

Yeah.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (67:53)

You know, it's not religious. It's just something about energy and something of how the human body just starts to work. And I don't know why I was put in this position. You know, it's just I was not even a dentist. I was not even a major like in science or dentistry. Going into college I thought I was going to be a finance guy, a Wall street guy. That's what I went into school for. My mom was a dentist. So it was just something that I was like, I'll just do it. You know, it's like whatever. I'll just take science classes, I'll be a dentist. And then once I take those courses I just like non stop and just. Yeah, now I gotta be.

Gary Brea (68:23)

Well now you're just so passionate and driven about like you. And I really do geek out and like legit. He'll, he'll be sitting in these lectures somewhere around the world. He starts taking pictures of the screens and the slides. He's like, oh my God, look at this with vitamin D3 and this pathway of vitamin C and, and I'm like, dude, why didn't you tell me? I want to do, I would have gone there to that. Like I want to go to the peptide conferences, I want to go to the dental conferences. I'm so fascinated by it and it's just amazing to have pioneers like you, Dr. Gandhi, you know, out there fighting for the truth, you know, staying ahead of the curve, not stopping your learning curve when you got out of school, reading your peer reviewed journals, going to lectures, trying to further educate yourself. I think, you know, there's something in the Hippocratic oath about intellectual curiosity. And I think it was Hippocrates that said, you know, I'm paraphrasing it and bastardizing it, but something along the lines that, that, you know, when physician in the practice of medicine loses their intellectual curiosity, they really lose the capacity to give care. And you've definitely got that intellectual curiosity. So.

Dr. Jagar Gandhi (69:22)

Thank you, man.

Gary Brea (69:23)

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