294. Dr. Deep Sea: Hyperbaric Chamber Benefits Nobody Explains Correctly

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka – Episode 294 Guest: Dr. Joe Deteri ("Dr. Deep Sea")
Air Date: August 11, 2026
Theme: Hyperbaric Chamber Benefits Nobody Explains Correctly

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Episode Overview

In this highly anticipated episode, Gary Brecka sits down with Dr. Joe Deteri—better known as "Dr. Deep Sea"—to dispel the myths, clarify the science, and explain the true benefits and safe protocols of hyperbaric chamber therapy. Brecka and Deteri delve into the nuances of hyperbaric and hypobaric medicine, discuss Dr. Deteri’s groundbreaking self-experiments and clinical research, and provide practical guidance for recreational and biohacker use. The discussion ranges from cellular mechanisms and anti-aging to safety, design, and the future of hyperbarics as a key tool in human optimization.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Philosophy of Hormetic Stress

• Hormesis is central: Stressors like exercise, cold plunges, and hyperbarics are essential for optimal mitochondria and adaptation.
• Quote:
  "The simple truth here is that your life is supposed to be hard. Hormetic stressors are there for a reason..."
  —Dr. Deteri (00:00, 15:28)

2. What is Hyperbarics?

• Definition: "Hyper" = more, "baric" = pressure.
• Chambers increase atmospheric pressure—improving tissue oxygenation, especially in poorly vascularized tissues and the brain.
• Primary mechanisms: Enhanced perfusion, stem cell mobilization, anti-inflammatory effects, and mitogenesis.

3. Dr. Deteri’s Undersea Self-Experiment

• Lived 100 days at 22 feet underwater (1.16-1.7 atmospheres).
• Results:
  • 71% reduction in cholesterol
  • 1,000% increase in circulating stem cells
  • 17% telomere lengthening
  • Double the deep and REM sleep compared to land
• Quote:
  "Five days, one hour at a pop. He doubled the number of circulating stem cells."
  —Dr. Deteri (18:00)
• N-of-1 caveat: Groundbreaking but needs validation in larger trials.

4. Mechanisms and Dosing of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT)

• Thirteen known mechanisms: Far more than most pharmaceuticals.
• Dose/Pressure dependent:
  • Lower pressures (1.3-1.5 ATA): more anti-inflammatory, brain-friendly
  • Higher pressures (2.0+ ATA): better for hyperoxygenation, anaerobic infections, killing certain pathogens.
• Mitochondrial efficiency: Alternating hypoxia/hyperoxia promotes adaptation and increases energy metabolism (see XPrize section).
• Quote:
  "Hyperbaric oxygen is the super drug of super drugs."
  —Dr. Deteri (09:39)

5. Safety, Protocols, and Misconceptions

• Hyperbarics are classified as a drug by the US Pharmacopeia.
• Not a toy: Proper protocols, grounding, and equipment (preferably ASME PVHO certified) are vital.
• Accidents rare: <150 deaths in over 100 years, mostly from improper use.
• Oxygen is an accelerant, not flammable—it must not accumulate in the chamber.
• Quote:
  "Science wins over bullshit. Let's fix that."
  —Dr. Deteri (05:19)

6. Stacking and Synergy with Other Biohacks

• Intermittent hypoxia/hyperoxia ("multi-modal" stacks): Foundation of Dr. Deteri's XPrize entry.
• Red light therapy, cold plunging, sauna all offer hormetic benefits that amplify cellular adaptation.
• Correct stacking, timing, and cycling are key.
• Quote:
  "You are a captive audience, bro. You're going only you."
  —Dr. Deteri (83:55)

7. The XPrize & Healthspan Extension

• Dr. Deteri is a finalist in the $101M XPrize, aiming to extend "healthy lifespan" by 20 years.
• Protocol:
  • Intermittent hypoxia (10-30 min at 8,000–12,000ft pressure)
  • Followed by hyperoxia (90 min at 2.0 ATA with high O2)
  • Ancillary: Resistance training, red light, sauna, ice bath
• Results (Early Data):
  • Participants saw 8.2–8.6 years of biological age reduction after 20–30 days.
  • Emerging evidence for profound extension of healthspan.
• Quote:
  "If you give me 20 days, I can give you between 8 to almost 20 years if you give me 20 days."
  —Dr. Deteri (15:10)

8. Cognitive and Physical Benefits

• Cognition: Increased cognitive flexibility, task management, neural connectivity (esp. in aging populations).
• TBI Recovery: Largest ever TBI study at USF (n=420); hyperbarics show promise for both acute and chronic brain injuries.
• Quote:
  "We're increasing cognitive function, multitasking, and single-tasking ...17–35% increase in older ages [55+]."
  —Dr. Deteri (53:30)
• Anecdotal improvements: Both Dr. Deteri and Brecka cite personal/familial experiences in mood, recovery, frailty, and neurodegeneration.

9. Other Health Claims

• Skin and collagen: Enhanced collagen synthesis, fibroblast proliferation, and possible reversal of DNA damage.
• Type 2 diabetes: Observational effects on insulin sensitivity.
• Cancer: Cautious use as adjunct—not a cure; may potentiate chemotherapy agents (requires precise protocols).

10. Practical Guidance for Users & Biohackers

• Dosage/frequency: 5 days per week, 60–90 minutes, for 20–40 sessions is a typical longevity protocol.
• Hard/soft chambers: Both have benefits; higher-pressure ("hard") needed for FDA-approved/medical indications, but "soft" still increases stem cells and may aid recovery.
• Optimize environment: No batteries, phones, or laptops inside; use time for meditation (not multitasking).
• Backup and supervision are non-negotiable for safety.
• Quote:
  "Go in the chamber to have your alone time... cradle it and make it yours."
  —Dr. Deteri (66:34)

11. Hyperbarics and the Future

• Standardized, safe hyperbarics will likely become as common as multivitamins among longevity seekers.
• Ubiquity depends on education, protocols, and continued safety.
• Industry must prioritize robust equipment and user training.
• Quote:
  "If you do it right, I see it everywhere, in every home for anti-aging ... It is the one true force multiplier."
  —Dr. Deteri (67:55)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On resilience and hormesis:
  "Your life is supposed to be hard. Hormetic stressors are there for a reason." —Dr. Deteri (00:00, 15:28)

• On the power of HBOT:
  "Hyperbaric oxygen is the super drug of super drugs." —Dr. Deteri (09:39)

• On sleep underwater:
  "Normally a human sleeps between 30 and 33% in deep and REM. Underwater, 60 to 66%." —Dr. Deteri (28:48)

• On cognitive aging:
  "We're increasing cognitive function, multitasking, and single-tasking ...17–35% increase in older ages [55+]." —Dr. Deteri (53:30)

• On patient compliance:
  "Who's got two hours in their day to go to a hyperbaric chamber for 40 times? ... Patient compliance winds up being a real problem." —Dr. Deteri (64:00)

• On hyperbarics ubiquity:
  "If you do it right, I see it everywhere, in every home for anti-aging ... It is the one true force multiplier." —Dr. Deteri (67:55)

• On the meditative opportunity:
  "Go in the chamber to have your alone time and keep that and cradle it and make it yours... ditch the phone." —Dr. Deteri (66:34)

• On the ultimate human:
  "Being a good human is a rare quantity today. Try and help as much as you can and be around long enough to help more people. If I can live to 110, which is my goal year, I’m barely halfway through my life right now." —Dr. Deteri (84:26)

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Important Timestamps for Deep Dive

• 00:00 — Hormetic stress and mitochondrial efficiency introduction
• 03:16 — Outcomes of the 100-day underwater experiment
• 05:17 — Entry into hyperbaric medicine and mechanisms of action
• 09:39 — The 13 mechanisms of action of hyperbaric oxygen
• 12:27 — XPrize protocols and goals revealed
• 18:00 — Significant stem cell increase from five sessions at 1.27 ATA
• 28:48 — Underwater sleep data: deep and REM enhanced
• 34:04-35:35 — Safety, standards, and risks (O2 as accelerant, equipment)
• 44:17 — Stacking: hypoxia, hyperbaric, red light, cold, exercise
• 53:30 — Cognitive function improvement in aging populations
• 62:44 — Collagen, diabetes, and skin benefits
• 71:58 — Hyperbarics in oncology and metabolic aspects of cancer

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Flow and Tone

The episode is insightful and conversational, driven by both personal anecdotes and rigorous scientific rigor. Dr. Deteri's no-nonsense approach ("science wins over bullshit") pairs with Brecka’s enthusiasm for safe, strategic biohacking. The tone is engaging but always anchored to evidence and caution.

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Summary Takeaway

Hyperbaric therapy is far more than just a sports-recovery or wound-healing tool: It is a multifaceted, "super drug" intervention that—if used intelligently and safely—can dramatically improve healthspan, cognitive performance, and potentially even reverse elements of biological aging. The science is accelerating, and both experts forecast a near future where hyperbarics become central to life-extension and anti-aging protocols—provided the industry keeps user safety, sound equipment, and rigorous science at its core.

For those who haven’t listened:

• Hyperbarics is not a cure-all, but it meaningfully strengthens the body and mind when part of a program of hormetic stressors.
• Don't cut corners on safety or try to "stack everything"—build a protocol, meditate, and respect the process.
• Expect more studies, more robust equipment, and, very likely, a major role for hyperbarics in tomorrow’s longevity playbook.

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For more info:
Dr. Deteri: [Find on social/web as 'Dr. Deep Sea']
Gary Brecka: https://link.me/garybrecka

Transcript

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

The simple truth here is that your life is supposed to be hard. Hormetic stressors are there for a reason. All these hormetic stressors put together when you go to the gym, when you go to the ice bath, when you go to the red light, all that stuff is actually good for you. So when you do that, you can make the mitochondria more efficient.

[Gary Brecka]

So hyperbarics are providing a hormetic stress. This hormetic stress, applied intermittently, seems to be having a very positive effect on the mitochondria, which to me would be the hallmark of age reversal.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Hyper means more than baric, means pressure. That's it. You just increase the pressure.

[Gary Brecka]

You get that benefit using gas pressure, hormetic stress. These are all things that we have a lot of data on in terms of strengthening the body and improving performance and function. And I think most people are after that cognitive benefit as much as they are physical benefit.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Hyperbaric oxygen doesn't cure anything, but it helps your body help itself. And that's what we want. We want an organism that will fix itself better.

[Gary Brecka]

Where do you see the future of biohacking slash recreational hyperbarics going?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

The interesting thing that we just found out, and we've come through, and the science isn't done yet on it, but. Ultimate Human.

[Gary Brecka]

Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything anti aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. This is an anti aging, longevity and biohacking and in between podcast. I've probably said this before, but I mean it today. I. I don't recall being so excited about a guest coming on my podcast because it happens to be an area where. Of the biohacking community that I think is just in its infancy. I think the implications of this biohack, if you want to call it that, are profound. He is leading the way in research, conducting some of the largest TBI studies ever conducted in the world. He's done experiments on himself, experiments on other people. He has a background in this biohack. And I am so excited to sit down with Dr. Deteri, aka Dr. Deep Sea. How are you, my brother?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I'm well. I'm well, thank you. Glorious introduction.

[Gary Brecka]

Most people heard about you. A lot of people was when Joe Rogan was talking about you on a podcast. He's like, you ever see this guy? This dude, like, lived under the ocean for like a hundred days. Hyperbaric chamber pulls up your.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Your.

[Gary Brecka]

Your story. And. And I've gotten to be good friends with Joe. I've been on this podcast a couple of times, but I saw that started going down the Rabb. Met your co author, Dr. Saunders. Yeah. This is the Bible stud of hyperbaric medicine. I'm, I'm so excited for this podcast. And, you know, your. Your. Your background is a Navy diver. You know, left the Navy, went to school for biomedical engineering, you know, suffered a TBI, I want to say, in 2023.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

21.

[Gary Brecka]

2021. 2023 was when you set 100 days, 22ft underwater, just south of me, right here in the Keys. And if I recall, I remember reading some of the outcomes, this is what really zoned me in on hyperbaric therapy. You had a 71 reduction in your cholesterol.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

You had like a thousand percent increase in stem cells.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

You had telomere lengthening.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep. 17.

[Gary Brecka]

A 17 telomere lengthening.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Now.

[Gary Brecka]

And albeit this is an N of 1, I get you science nerds out there. Calm down. Or not making a medical claim. And then you lost like a quarter of an inch or half an inch. Right. I don't know how you got shorter, but you did. So everybody's like, screw hyperbarics. I don't want to get smaller.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. Is. Is that what sparked your interest in. In. In hyperbarics? How did you get down the road of hyperbaric medicine?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

In hyperbaric medicine? Oh, wow. That's actually a great question. All right, so I was a Navy diver. We used recompression chambers. And then, you know, I got to mobile diving salvage unit. And when we're at one of these mobile diving salvage units, the doctor was like, hey, by the way, we're going to. We're going to treat this old guy who's got a little bit of cancer in his. In his jaw. I said, we're going to treat him. I said, wait, you can. You can treat these guys? I was young, right? I was like, you can treat other people. And I. Not just decompression sickness. And it's like, we're going back a million years, too, right? So I was like, really? I'm interested. Let me. Tell me more. Tell me more. So she start telling me more, more, more, more, more. All of a sudden I'm like, oh, at that time, there were 12 approved indications. Now there's 15 right on label. FDA cleared sort of indications. And now it's like, oh, wow, we can use this for other things. This is a very powerful drug. So I step back and I go, what are the mechanisms of action. And everybody's looking at me like, I got 10 heads. And I'm like, no, that's how we prescribe every drug in the world is. By its mechanism of action. And they're like, oh, so that's kind of.

[Gary Brecka]

We don't know. We just know that it works.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

We know that it works. You know, I'm like, well, science wins over bullshit. Let's fix that.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. Okay. So that's. That's what. Because you. You. You didn't get your PhD until you got out of the Navy.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oh, yeah, Right.

[Gary Brecka]

And so something must have, you know, led you in your later adult time to say, you know, I want to go into biomedical engineering and get. And get this PhD, which most people don't wake up midlife and decide that they want to do that.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So what had happened was. What had happened was I'm, you know, I'm retiring. And we're talking with Bill McRaven and, you know, another friend of mine, Admiral Ed Winters. And they're like, hey, what are you going to be when you grow up, Aquanaut? And I'm like, well, you know, I don't know, but I don't want to come work for you. He's like, no, no, no. Help me, because can you sit on the preservation of the force and family? And I said, okay, that sounds good. So we dealt with people with TBIs. And this is a great thing right here.

[Gary Brecka]

We are.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

We're helping our guys, right? I'm retired. I'm the old graybeard sort of at this point. And they're like, yeah, yeah, we can. We can push you down.

[Gary Brecka]

Veterans with TBIs.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, veterans with TBIs. And even active duty guys with TBIs. And how do we fix. So Admiral McRaven was terrific because he wanted to look at the preservation of the Forsan family, right? So he was looking at this whole setup, trying to make everybody better. Okay, great. So I go back to after six months, and I talk to him, and I go, look, this is just not working. I says. And he looks me dead in the eye and he goes, permission granted, Aquanaut. Fix the problem. And I'm like, oh, shit, now I gotta go back to school. Cause I'm not smart enough for this. So I go back to school, I get a PhD in biomedical engineering, and then I start doing clinical research in traumatic brain injury. And it's like, okay, wow.

[Gary Brecka]

And now you're running the largest TBI study ever conducted at usf.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I'm not running it. I was one of the members When I was the assistant vice president of the University of South Florida, I stepped away from that in December. Only because it's now moving. Right now it's moving. It's time to like, I'm a, I'm a doer, not a, Not a. Talk about doing so right. Academia moves a little slow.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I want to go fast.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, I did. I feel you. But this may be a very profound study. When it's, when it's published, it will

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

change things, that's for sure. And it was done with a placebo. Randomized double blind. It's. It's done the right way. Yeah. It's all the bells and whistles.

[Gary Brecka]

And as I understand, it's. It's 73, 75 minutes, five days a week.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

100:02.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Exactly.

[Gary Brecka]

202.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Or placebo.

[Gary Brecka]

Or placebo. Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep. Air at zero feet. And you know, we, we're doing it the right way. It's 40 treatments long. So it's basically a two month protocol, if you will. And you know, we'll see is the answer.

[Gary Brecka]

And can you tell us what. Let's, let's talk about mechanisms of action because you. I'm a fan of hyperbarics. I would say I'm a recreational hyperbaric user and I would like to become more than a recreational user. I've, I've got hyperbarics in every home and I'm invested a lot in hyperbarics. Personally, I'd rather have a hyperbaric chamber than a Ferrari because I don't, I don't have a car problem or a watch problem. I have a, I have a, I have a, like a biohacking problem. That's why I keep telling my wife I have a little biohacking addiction. If you see my garage downstairs, it's like a biohacking hoarder. You know, it's like one of those like, like, you know, docu series, you know, on, on hoarding. But, you know, I understand mechanistically we're increasing atmospheric pressure.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep.

[Gary Brecka]

Which decreases the size of oxygen and other gases and therefore they should be able to profuse tissues more thoroughly and probably in areas where they otherwise wouldn't get good saturation. And so let's say connective tissues, ligaments, tendons, you know, areas of the brain that are not served by, you know, healthy vascular flow, compromised blood flow, and people with vasomotor circulation compromise. I, I think the literature's super clear on post surgical recovery wound. Sure. You know, there's a lot of information out there on Diabetic ulcer, you know, those, those types of things.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Common ones, right?

[Gary Brecka]

The common ones.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Osteonecrosis, the gaseous gangrenes. They're like, oh, they're horrible. But yeah, they're really well, really well looked after and they work.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. Especially if you have like an anaerobic infection. Right?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Right. I mean, so logically you can put the mechanism of action with the treatment. So we have 13 known mechanisms of action. Let me step back and say that again. This is like a super drug. It's not like a super drug. It is a super drug. It's classified as a drug by the usp. Right. US Pharmacopoeia says it's a drug. Okay. Hyperbaric oxygen drug. But you know, aspirin, what does that got? 3, 4, 5 mechanisms of action. Gabapentin 3. You know, there's a couple of these that GLP1s. There's three or four of those increase cerebral blood flow. You know, it does the weight thing and, but that's all great. Hyperbaric oxygen 13. It is the super drug of super drugs. I don't even know what to say.

[Gary Brecka]

Wow. And I was talking to Dr. Saunders about this too. Is it dose dependent, pressure dependent? Do different things happen at different pressures? Is there an ideal pressure? Is there an ideal oxygen saturation? Because I have a soft chamber in my bedroom, it goes to about 1.3 ish. I've got hard shell in, in, in the gym that'll go to 2 atmospheres. I think it'll go higher. I think it's governed to two atmospheres. And I know that certain benefits occur at certain pressures. But one of the things that Saunders was telling me is like it's not always more pressure, is more results. It's, it's different hormetic stress.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right.

[Gary Brecka]

Providing a different outcome. And I'd love to unpack that with you.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, it's, it's huge. And nobody really knows the real answer. So I'll be speaking in tong of just trying to figure it out. But realistically we know that certain pressures do certain things and you know, what mechanism of action do you want to work? The more powerful anti inflammatory natures that seems to be in the lower pressures. The 1.345, something like that. The brain seems to tolerate 1.567 better than 2.0, 2.5, 3.0. Right. So. But if you want hyperoxygenation as a mechanism of accident or leukocyte oxidative killing, you need to be in the 2.5 to 3.0 range. Right. You want to crush the bub bubble. You need the more pressure, that kind of stuff. So there's a lot of different things. You just got to play with it. Right?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Here's the interesting thing that we just found out and we've come through and the science isn't done yet on it. But varying the hyperbaric oxygen protocol does different things and it stimulates that hormetic response.

[Gary Brecka]

Well, now you're jumping to the your exercise, right? I mean, so let's jump there because. And then I want to go back to some of what you saw when you were 22ft underwater because that's not even quite 2 atmospheres, right? Yeah. So that's like what, 1 5ish?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

11 6, 1 7.

[Gary Brecka]

161 7. Because I want to talk about that because the outcomes were pretty profound. And I. And we'll go where you want.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

You're in charge.

[Gary Brecka]

So. So let's jump to the. To the X prize. For those of you that don't know what this is, it's 101 million dollar winner take all prize. I believe this year's was to extend healthy lifespan by 20 years. Yep. That was sort of the framework about 765 potential contestants. That's down under 100 now, right?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, it got to 100. We were one of the hundred finalists that team Arizona State University Healthspan. Team Hellspan.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

And has that hundred narrowed or you'll know?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Not yet. We'll know in July. So fingers crossed. We'll be the final 10.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. If you split the 100 million with me, I'll grease some people behind the scenes for.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Do you know Pete? I do.

[Gary Brecka]

Peter Diamantes. Dude, come on buddy. Give it to this guy. Come on. Elon Musk. So $101 million winner take all. And to add 20 years to healthy lifespan. And I, and I love how they define that as not just lifespan, but healthy lifespan. So you're actually pushing the lifespan out with the healthspan, which I think is the hallmark of success in the anti. In anti aging. None of, none of us just want to live another 30, 40 years.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, who cares if you're a persistent vegetated state? I don't care.

[Gary Brecka]

Ye, exactly.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I want to live shorter, not longer.

[Gary Brecka]

We want to be independent. We don't want to be assisted with the activities of daily living. We want independent living. It's like how many healthy independent years can I have and then God call me back, you know? Exactly so. So in this realm, you know what I find fascinating is you, you with HBO tech, which I'm a huge fan. I have an HBO tech hyperbaric chamber. Putting these in all my ultimate longevity centers. I think they're fantastic. Manufacturer. You created and designed a one of a kind. At least today it's one of a kind hyperoxic hypoxic chamber. And that means that you take a hyperbaric chamber and you provide the subject with oxygen deprivation and then oxygen excess. Yeah, Right. So Ox, you know, for those folks that are watching sea levels, what, 21% oxygen. So hyperoxia is going to be above 21, hypoxia is going to be below that or simulating altitude. Right. I mean, the higher you go, the thinner the air. And you're seeing some pretty incredible results.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Really great.

[Gary Brecka]

Like, really great. I was reading your report, like 8.2 years, 8.6 years that you guys are at.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah. Did they share that results with you?

[Gary Brecka]

I don't know. Somebody told me it's.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

You may or may not have seen it because I may or may not have been allowed to share it with you.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay, so you won't. You didn't share it with me. But that is profound. Profound. You're not far into this study yet. This is not a years long study.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No, this is. And the cool thing is you give me 20 days, I can give you between 8 to almost 20 years if you give me 20 days.

[Gary Brecka]

20 consecutive or 5 on 2 off.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

25 days on, 2 days off. 5 days on Tuesday. So give me 30 days, technically 28 days, right?

[Gary Brecka]

So 20. 20 days of hyperbaric.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

20 days of hyper hypobarics. But it's not just that, right? This, the simple truth here is that your life is supposed to be hard. Everybody's trying to have the easy life. Everybod wants the grease streets, everybody. No, it's supposed to be hard. Hormetic stressors are there for a reason, right?

[Gary Brecka]

To strengthen us.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

To strengthen us. Exactly. We go to the gym, right? And we work out, right? Look at the guns, the gun show. So, you know, we go to the gym and work out and we get that. We accept failure in the gym because we need failure, right? But we don't do that in the rest of the areas of our life. So hypoxia, hyperoxia, you know, red light therapy is a hormetic stress. You know, we have cold plunge, we have the saunas, right? We have several of these things. The hormetic stress from eating the right kind of food that is stressed, right? Like what's the best tasting strawberry? The one that's been through the hard winter, that really got stressed. That's the best tasting and it's also the best for you. So that kind of hormetic stress for me and that kind of stuff, it's. These are great things, but your body needs to go through this.

[Gary Brecka]

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[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep.

[Gary Brecka]

Compressing it. And then the atmospheric pressure is, you know, the multiples that you're providing this pressure. Just that alone, let's say not adding oxygen, not 100% O2, getting in a hyperbaric chamber, soft chamber, let's say that goes to 1.3 atmospheres. What are some of the benefits of that? I mean, more and more people are putting these in their house. They're, they're getting these certified chambers doing an hour, 90 minutes a day. What can they expect from it? What does the science say about regular use of hyperbaric?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So PhD researcher went in, did five treatments in an air only chamber at 1.278 ATA, which is basically like, you know, 10ft. It's 10ft under my water. Right. You, you got one that can go that deep too, Right. Just using air five days, one hour at a pop. He doubled the number of circulating stem cells. Wow. Five days. And this is, did the flow cytometry. This is real science. And, and you know me, science wins over. Right.

[Gary Brecka]

These are stem cells migrating from your

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

bone marrow into circulation CD34 plus progenitor stem cells. Like, this is the good, this is the gold wild card. Right. This is what you need. So you know, now, what does that mean? I don't know what that means, but doubling stem cells is not a horrible thing.

[Gary Brecka]

Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And so. And that was at 1.27. And then, you know, a lot of these chambers. 1.522 atmospheres. So as you increase the pressure in a hyperbaric chamber, what's happening physiologically to the body, aside from the gas getting smaller?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So, look, you cannot. You cannot squish the human body. Right. I mean, basically, you're made mostly of water, and water is pretty much incompressible. Right. At thousands of feet, it gets compressible, but that's not important. Right. So. But you're incompressible, if you will. So as long as your gas spaces are full, you can. I mean, the deepest recorded dive is 2,265ft or something.

[Gary Brecka]

For a human.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

For a human? Oh, yeah. My Deepest dive is 1947ft.

[Gary Brecka]

Your deepest dive?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

That's like the. What was it? The Titanic thing that just crumbled like a can. Okay, 5,000.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No, that's crazy.

[Gary Brecka]

You. You dove almost 2,000ft.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, I mean, so. So the deepest dives that we do are, you know, we can go to 2,000ft, we can go to 20. I think the French just went a little deeper than that, to be honest with you. So it might be like 2300ft now, but the humans can go deep. That's not the problem. The problem is the gas mixture that you're breathing. Right. Because when you go to twice the atmosphere, you're effectively breathing twice the oxygen concentration. Then the fire risk goes up. Then the right. You know, you have the nitrogen narcotics, the narcotic potential. You know, we were talking about hydrogen gas. Everybody's like, oh, let's stack modalities. I'm like, please don't do it inside a hyperbaric chamber. Yeah, not in.

[Gary Brecka]

Not in a chamber.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No. Let's put hydrogen and red light in a hyperbaric chamber. I'm like, no, no, don't do that.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I. I do them separately or sequence. Yeah, I love that.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So.

[Gary Brecka]

So as you increase the pressure, because, you know, what I do is I get my hyperbaric chamber four or five days a week. Two atmospheres of pressure. I am going to stop using a nasal cannulus and either use a sealed rebreather like the HBO tech. Yeah. Because now you've made a case that makes perfect sense to me. Where.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Thank you.

[Gary Brecka]

Oxygen is coming in. CO2 is going out, but it's not entering the chamber. Yep. It's just entering my lungs and then. And then going out of the chamber. So you don't have this excess because, you know, I've always been under the auspice. Incorrectly. That 100 oxygen is combustible and flammable.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

That site's, interestingly enough, oxygen says right on it. If you read on the side of it, on the side of the bottle, colorless, odorless, non flammable gas.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oxygen's not flammable.

[Gary Brecka]

Ah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

It's an accelerant. It'll accelerate the flammability of anything that it gets in touch with. But it is non flammable, so the oxygen itself won't burn. Okay, that's just an interesting.

[Gary Brecka]

It's just providing the resources for something that is burning.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right. It's the third part of the fire triangle.

[Gary Brecka]

Right, Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So it's like heat, fuel, oxygen. If you don't have any of those three, you're not going to burn anything. When you have more oxygen, you're going to burn it more and higher and hotter. Yeah, higher, hotter, Exactly. So.

[Gary Brecka]

So either if. So if you're going to increase the oxygen saturation other than using ambient compressed air. Yeah, right. Ambient compressed air. Probably the safest.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Just.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Just in a. In a chamber that's not a dead chamber. That's circulating air.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Your two atmospheres, you're getting enough of a benefit if you're a longevity, not like I am. And you want to be doing hyperbarics for longevity, safe in, you know, up to 2 atmospheres. Just using regular compressed gas.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, regular compressed air. It's just. It's called scuba diving.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. Am I. Am I missing anything? Like I feel like I'm cheating myself by not adding the oxygen. Am I gonna. No, it's.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

What mechanism of action do you want at play? Hyperoxygenation is one of them. Add the oxygen in the safe way. Right. You gotta do it sealed.

[Gary Brecka]

Sealed rebreather.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, Some sort of a rebreather recirculator. We call it a BIBS mask. In a hyperbaric chamber built in breath, you got to have that kind of a thing. Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

For 90 minutes, I'm like, get this thing off my face.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

You know, I don't know.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I love that feeling because it gives me that. So when I breathe in, what do I want? I really want all the oxygen. Right. I don't want the 15% increase with the nasal cannula. Right. I don't want the non rebreather mask with this silly little Bag doing this. And then where does all that exhaled oxygen go? Right into the hyperbaric chamber, which is only designed for air, not oxygen. So just, you know. Yeah. So you don't want your exhaled oxygen filled gas touching any of the stuff in the chamber and it could be really dangerous.

[Gary Brecka]

Right, right. So now. So you can, you can use a chamber that's just circulating the air, 1.52 atmospheres safe. Or use a rebreather if you want to increase the oxygen concentration. The ones that I, until this recent accident heard that, that, you know, really exploded were the ones that had 100O2.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

There was a terrible story of the young kid. I think it wasn't grounded and he wasn't blanket or something horrible.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And a little unfortunately, when you're in this business and you see these things, you can't unsee that video. Yeah, that is a horrible nightmare. Right. Of we knew the answer, right? And most of these rules, they're really written in blood, right? Because, oh, why do we ground people? Because stupid things like that happen, right. When you don't ground people. So it's like I didn't. No. Oh, you knew.

[Gary Brecka]

Come on.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Everybody knew. So.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, it's unfortunate, but yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

So where do you see the future of biohacking SL recreational hyperbarics going? If you know, this, this adoption of hyperbarics seems to be going parabolic. I think that there is a paucity of information out there. Oh yeah, it may to consider myself, you know, very much among the know. And, and I'm not even aware of some of these safety risks, which is why I'm excited to do this podcast because just laying it out there hopefully will help a lot of people use these in, in the proper way. They're not toys.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And then you should be lauded for that, trust me. Because the people that are out there that are just kind of faking it till you make it, this is not the thing. So thank you, thank you, thank you for going. Hey, listen, I want to learn a little bit on this. Yeah, please.

[Gary Brecka]

I really do. I mean, I want to do it right. I mean, you know, obviously I'd love to be in there with my red light Max, my right, my hydrogen running an niv, you know, on my PMF mat. But, but you know, now we know that, listen, they're phenomenal tools. They are about to have some incredible science around longevity and, and aging, which I think is phenomenal. Not just, just around even the 13 indications. And if people use them safely, they can get long term use and long Term benefit out of them. And I mean, that's the, that's the objective, right? It's, it's the same with like red light therapy with cold plunging with all of these things. More is not better.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No.

[Gary Brecka]

You know, colder and longer is not better. Longer in a red light bed. Higher milliwatts of irradiance. You know, there's therapeutic ranges that the body responds to and, and just get that dose and move on. You know, get your benefit and move on. Not, you know, the. I, I have that, that, that sort of inclination too, that if some is good, more is better.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Right. So I want to resist that, especially when it comes to hyperbarics.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

You say more is better and it's just a funny, funny joke because I treat a bunch of military guys right? And these guys come in and like, I can do five minutes, I can do seven minutes, I can do 12 minutes. I can do. These kids were up to 18 minutes in the ice bath. And I'm like. And we do 32 degrees, right? And I'm like, that's it. You' done. Nobody can go over five minutes. Yeah, you're done. Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

By the way, after that, the hormetic stress is over.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Exactly.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And they're out. They're like, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

And that's not good. You know, I mean, I saw a video on someone on Instagram a few months ago. I actually, I won't say who it was, but I messaged him privately and said, hey, you should take that down. But what he did was he, he took a snorkel, went underwater in 35 degree water for 12 minutes and was just breathing through a snorkel and, and then put it on social media. I'm like, man, your brain is this far inside the surface of your skull.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

It's not good to bake it. It's not good to fry it.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Not good. Why do you think they wear hats inside the sauna, for crying out loud? Come on.

[Gary Brecka]

I do the same thing. So again, the more is not, not better. So soft chambers, great hard chambers, it works.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I mean, is it great? Is it going to cure your, you know, your aseptic bone necrosis? No. Nope. Soft chamber will not do that. But can it help you double your stem cells? Yes. We have the science behind that. Can it help you fix, heal better? Yeah, it can. You know, but we don't have a lot of detail in there, but yeah, you know, we got to get more science.

[Gary Brecka]

One of the interesting things that I, I seem to be swaying towards too, is, is how it, it's almost like a sleep mimetic because like during the deep phases of sleep, when the glymphatic system is draining and you're getting, you're eliminating waste from the brain, cytokines, histamines, through these glymphatic channels that are, that are opening during deep sleep. Similar physiology is going on with hyperbarics, Right. With oxygen perfusion into tissues. I'm not saying it's a replacement.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, yeah, I know. We're increasing the metabolism in the human body, Right. So we're up upping the metabolism, which makes you more tired, which, you know. So like you wanted to go to the. I don't know if it's this time, but you know, talking about the underwater stay. Right. When I stayed underwater, first of all, in the first 25 days, I lost 22 pounds.

[Gary Brecka]

You lost 22 pounds?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

22 pounds. So my medical team metabolism was just. Because my metabolism was through the roof, my medical team said, that's it, you're done. Now you're up to, you know, 1.75 milligrams per kilogram body weight of protein. We got to double it. You, you, you cannot waste away to nothing. That's not going to work here.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So you know, that kind of stuff. But we talked about, you talk about deep and REM sleep. Normally a human sleeps between 30 and 33% in deep and REM underwater, 60 to 66% in deep and REM. Wow. Every single person down with an apple watch or an aura ring or a Fitbit or whatever the heck they had, they all correlated almost exactly 50 to 60.

[Gary Brecka]

So people would come stay with you?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, I had a couple people come and stay.

[Gary Brecka]

How big was this thing?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

It wasn't as big as your studio.

[Gary Brecka]

No way. Were you just going out of your mind after 100 days? No, it's like a bedroom.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I will tell you. So. So it was maybe this wide and maybe 17ft long worth of usable space. So. And then there was another side to it. Exactly the same. And then a wet pot in between that you had to duck down in. You know, I can get you pictures

[Gary Brecka]

of it where people could come and dock.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Where people come in. Yeah, you come in and you, you know, you're getting. It's your wet room, if you will.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Where you shower, where you go to the bathroom. Yeah, that kind of stuff.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay, so, so deep in rim phases of sleep. Because obviously sleeping there, double this. Wow.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So 70 million Americans alone have sleep issues. Right. And I doubled my deep in rem. So then what else Happened. Right. So this is how we don't know where the results, what happened and how the results got so good. Right. Was it the sleep that healed me better, faster? Was it the sleep that made me cognitively 13% better connectivity and a 5% reduction in phase lag? I mean, holy mackerel.

[Gary Brecka]

And were you doing like, Q EEGs?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, I was doing eegs every other day. Now, if, if you've not set up your own eeg, your new eeg. Beautiful. Brilliant.

[Gary Brecka]

Thank you.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Mine, it was like four hours of your life that you'll never get back.

[Gary Brecka]

Sticking them on the head kind of thing. Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Trying to get the thing to work, you know, trying to push. It's crazy. Yeah. So, but, you know, we did those and, and the quantifiable data is there now. EEGs are, they're okay, they're good, but you know, they're not perfect. Right. You know, we're looking for the, the, the perfect telltale how to read inside the brain, but, you know, it's the one thing that we don't even open up, you know.

[Gary Brecka]

But you had a, you had an increase in telomere lengths. You also had a 71% decrease in cholesterol.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, I had a pretty substantial decrease in cholesterol. So I don't remember if it was.

[Gary Brecka]

That was the solution for lipo. Little A. That would be great. Right?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So the, the cholesterol drop. Everybody's like, well, it's because you weren't drinking alcohol. And you know, you drink alcohol and stuff. And I said, no, that's not true.

[Gary Brecka]

True.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

They're like, what? I'm like, I'm a scientist. Right. So, like, you have to treat yourself how you do before, how you do during, and how you do afterwards. So, you know, I had a drop.

[Gary Brecka]

I'm just saying.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I'm not saying I wonder what the

[Gary Brecka]

hell you do with all your time down. I'd be drinking jail and I don't even drink.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So it wasn't like that. We were really doing science. I mean, literally, while I was underwater, I'd wake up every morning, 5 o', clock, and I used to drink coffee. Like I told you, I don't drink coffee anymore, but two, three cups of coffee would be my staple. And then, you know, protein in the morning, protein in the afternoon with salad. And then protein at dinner with something green, vegetable of some sort. Right. That's just the way I eat. Right, Right. So that's the way I eat on the surface, that's the way I eat underwater. Right. Same stuff Occasionally I have a drink. Occasionally I have a drink. It's. I'm not saying that I did, but, you know, boss, don't yell at me,

[Gary Brecka]

but didn't make it into the study design, but that's okay.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right. So, you know, but I would work then. You know, those are just the meals. I would work probably about six or eight hours, you know, doing my science. You know, blood, urine, saliva, electrocardiograms, electroencephalograms, pulmonary function tests. I mean, we did all this great science while we were down there, and pretty much every day. And then, you know, I do three hours worth of interviews a day. And then, you know, towards the end, I was doing, like, cnn, abc, cbs, fox. Right. So, like, it was. Oh, my God, Once you had broken

[Gary Brecka]

the Guinness Book of Worlds record and you were still down there. And then it became big news.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I mean, Neil Cavuto came on board and told. Told everybody in the world that my mother is a certain age. She's. I was like, whoa, whoa. You said my mother's age. She's 49, as far as I'm concerned.

[Gary Brecka]

That's great. And. And. And so when you got out and analyzed the data.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

What are you attributing this to, this prolonged hormetic stress? The. Because part of me says that when you provide too much oxygen or too little oxygen, the body becomes adaptive.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep.

[Gary Brecka]

Right. So did you adapt to the increased oxygen saturation and then when you got back to sea level, feel like a tree slug?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Absolutely. Right. So. So I adapted. You know, I go in, I run really hot on the hemoglobin. Right. So I'm like, in the 15, 16 range. Right.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

When I came out of the water. Oh, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Therapeutic phlebotomy.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So when I came out of the water, I was in the 13. Why? Because you're in an increased partial pressure of oxygen, thereby decreasing the need for hemoglobin, so your body stops making it. So after 100 days, I was a little sluggish. But then when I came out, you know, a couple weeks later, I checked blood, and I was like, oh, right, Back up.

[Gary Brecka]

Body came right back.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah. You know, you gotta be able to bounce. So can we live underwater long term? Probably not. But can it be good for you? Can it be helpful? Look, hyper means more than. Baric means pressure. That's it. You just increase the pressure. You get that benefit. How much or how little, that's what you got to figure out. Right. And it's not. More is better. Right. Like you said.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And thank you for saying that, because too many people just believe, oh, more is better. I'll just go to three, but these go to 11. I'm like, no, Right, right, right, right.

[Gary Brecka]

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[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

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[Gary Brecka]

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[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

So oxygen excess followed by oxygen deprivation. And there seems to be some real benefits. I, I, I've seen clinical outcomes where it's increasing VO2 max, and a lot of these are increasing VO2 max at rest, which I find really fascinating because VO2 max training is usually, you know, zone 2, 4 by fours. All of the traditional mechanisms of increased in increasing V2 max. So this hormetic stress applied, you know, intermittently, oxygen excess oxygen deprivation seems to be having a very positive effect on the mitochondria, maybe even increasing mitochondrial density or mitochondrial proliferation, which to me would be the hallmark of age reversal.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right.

[Gary Brecka]

That's what's happening, happening.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So if there was a really great way, I, I'm Working with a company right now trying to figure out a good way to test mitochondrial stress and mitochondrial density right now. Right. But this group is kind of coming through this at this point. But that stuff's in its infancy at this point. Right? Yeah, so. But yeah, mitogenesis is one of the known mechanisms of action of hyperbaric oxygen. Right. So.

[Gary Brecka]

Oh, new mitochondria.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah. I mean, I'm making it more better, right?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

This isn't rocket science. We just know the mechanism of action and we try and apply it. Right. So, you know, when you're in the hypoxic state, oxygen deprivation, what we're doing is an altitude chamber. So you, you, you made the comment earlier about, you know, people in the long living zones being in the higher altitudes. Why better mitochondria? The mitochondria working hard.

[Gary Brecka]

I didn't even think about it. You know, this was, this is going back a long time. You know, I was, I was in the mortality science space for, for years when I didn't really understand what mitochondrial was. Yeah, we just saw these observations and, you know, increased life expectancy as you approximated the equator obviously relates to sunlight. Decreased life expectancy as you approximated the poles. And these are broad, you know, big data terms. But also that altitude correlated to extended lifespan.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

And at the time, I just surmised that the oxygen intake was similar or more matched more with the oxygen expiration, you know, so that, so that the use of the gas was, was more even because we knew that an oxygen singlet, an, you know, oxidative stress can be oxygen. And a single oxygen molecule, you know, trapped in this, this phospholipid bilayer can, can, can cause oxidative stress. So if you were somehow to match the intake of oxygen with the outflow of oxygen, seems like that would correlate to longevity. That was a very basic view. So just, just.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No, it's great. I mean, it's a decent, decent first.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, it was a first stab. But, but what you're saying is there is probably increased mitochondrial efficiency. Like these people are using oxygen more effectively. There's less of it. The body adapts probably by mitogenesis.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Well, you know, when you increase your VO2, you are effectively, not effectively. You are using oxygen better. Right. You're using it better. And that's why. So this is the thing I liked about Arizona State University and Team healthspan and with the rules for the X prize. The rules for the X prize were not telomere length. Right. Cause it's like, oh, yeah, you're living longer. No, that's not it. Right. Telomeres. Yes. They will help you to live longer. You need those, however, compound grip strength. Right. VO2 max. Right. We're going to test all this data, and that is required by the X prize. So when they say healthspan, they really mean it. Right? Because, you know, people go to the gym when they're older, they're better. Muscle's going to help you with everything. I don't care what your problem is, what you come across. You need more muscle. I don't know what it is, but you need muscle, right? You know, balance, walking, you know, you fall and you break a hip. Yeah, that's. That's the curse, right? You need that balance. Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

I'm seeing in my parents right now. I've been very, I've been very vocal about the fact you just walking by my mom, getting her qeeg adorable transcranial red light. She's great. You know, I'm throwing the book at it. You know, I got, you know, one of my parents is, mind is great and body is failing, and the other one, body's great and mind is failing. And I think people find themselves in one of those two places. But, you know, I, I want to fight it incessantly be. Because of what I do for a living. And, and I, and I feel like I still have some control over this. And I'm a big believer in the transcranial red light and getting these QEEGs to see where the active areas of the brain are. I will tell you. Lithium orotate, keto diet, controlling her glycemic profile, getting her moving. Hyperbarics have had a profound impact on, on this journey. Mood stability, even the, the frailty aspect has improved in less last few months. Less being less frail.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

More robust, more conversational, easier to engage, you know, better short term. Recall this all anecdotal, just an N of one with my, my mom. But hyperbarics has been a part of that huge journey.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So my mother's 49, right? Been 49 for a minute or two, right. But my mother goes to the gym every morning. My mother drinks a gallon of water a day. My mother, you know, works out hard. You know, works hard, gets there, does brain games, does hyperbarics, right? She's like, oh, my son's the hyperbaric guy, so I got to do hyperbarics, right?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Wherever she goes, she just goes and does hyperbarics because she's a true believer. You know, even when she had some surgeries had some D surgery and they were like, oh, wow, you're healing really well. Well, that's because I'm in hyperbaric. I was like, what?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, yeah. So pain threshold for them now too. And, and I've used it clients of mine for post surgical recovery, you know, for athletic performance. And in short bursts, it doesn't seem like you create any kind of dependency. You know, not 100 days underwater, but, you know, one once a day, five days a week, two days off. But again, back to the X prize when you're now doing intermittent hypoxia in combination with pressure. You're not varying the pressure, you're only varying the oxygen. Right?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No, I'm actually pulling you to. I can go up to 29,000ft in my hypobaric chamber.

[Gary Brecka]

Right, okay.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So when I evacuate the air, I'm giving you that true hormetic stress, just like if you were at altitude.

[Gary Brecka]

Ah, so you're not just simulating oxygen saturation.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

You're simulating barometric pressure.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Like I'm changing the barometric pressure for sure. Like.

[Gary Brecka]

Ah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So what we did is we. So look, you fly in airplanes and this is the problem. You gotta get things through institutional review boards and they move at a speed. Speed faster than glacial. Right. And I'm just like trying to convince them that it's okay to go to 10,000ft, to go to 8,000ft. And they're like, you're going to kill all the old people because everybody has to be over 55 and less than 75. Right? Okay, great. But everybody flies on an airplane and nobody checks your age before you fly on an airplane. And every cabin's pressurized to about 8,000ft.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Everybody goes to Colorado to go skiing once a year, but, you know, 10,000ft, 12,000ft, nothing. And you hike, Right. Like when I ski, I go out of bounds, I hike up to the top and. Right. Because why? Because I. It's fun, right? Yeah, but that's what we needed and that's what we wanted to do. And when we simulated those altitudes and then pushed that hormetic stressor and then dropped you into hyperbarics,

[Gary Brecka]

this is.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Bam. And then we did ice bath and red light therapy. And, you know, so we did a whole novel combination where we have the key. We have literally the clip click. Right? Here it is. It's right here. This is exactly what you should do. Science proven, you know, protocol. Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

And so it's. If, if I recall, it was 10 minutes of hypoxia followed by an hour of hyper oxy?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yes, sir.

[Gary Brecka]

So oxygen deprivation initially. Yep. So that deprivation. So then you definitely were not at 2 atmospheres when you deprived them of oxygen. Oxygen, you're weight. Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

You were at 8. 8 to 10, 000ft, I think was the protocol.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay, so 8 to 10, 000ft.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Then you bring them back down to what atmosphere?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

To two atmospheres.

[Gary Brecka]

To two atmosphere. Double the atmospheric pressure.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep.

[Gary Brecka]

And then increase the oxygen saturation. Exactly. Wow. Okay.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right.

[Gary Brecka]

So 10 minutes deprived. 90 minutes.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

If, if I had my druthers, it would be more like a half hour because I'm working with this girl who's on the death.

[Gary Brecka]

What are you using, like a pulse ox or something to make sure that.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And exactly. This is. We pulse ox monitor them the entire time we're watching them. You know, you have attendants that have to be there. They have to be trained. They have to know what they're doing. Right.

[Gary Brecka]

So when you're doing research, it's a controlled environment.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, it's a very controlled environment. Right. So we're checking people. If I had my druthers, I would take you to probably 12,000ft and I would have you work out inside the hypobaric chamber. We don't work out inside a hyperbaric chamber because bad things can happen with heat and movement and bearings and stuff like that and batteries and blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. So everything's got to be right in the hyperbaric chamber. In the hypobaric chamber, all bets are off. Right? Because there's no risk of fire because there's less oxygen. It's even less of a risk of fire on the surface. Not that you can smoke, but, you know, it's not a thing. It wouldn't even. Your cigarette wouldn't even light it, you know. 16,000ft, you know, so.

[Gary Brecka]

But yeah, I've never seen somebody smoking on Everest.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right. Yeah, exactly. And then if you're working out. Out. What are you doing? Look, what we're trying to do at altitude is a lot of things. That hormetic stress response, the. The increasing the number of hemoglobin response. I mean, that's. That is your mammalian reflex, right? When I pull oxygen from you, I. You make more hemoglobin. Right. That makes perfect sense. Why do you think the Dallas Cowboys go to Colorado to train? Right. Because they live at 5, 6, 7, 10,000ft. And then they come down and they play. Because they're now full of red blood cells. Now they're ready to course, right that increases legal blood too. It's legal blood doping. Thank you.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, it's legal blood doping. And so the. What you're seeing then. And, and to. And I won't give any stats because maybe I shouldn't put those out there before the study is published. But this extension of healthspan and lifestyle that you're seeing, and we won't give it a number. This, this extension of health span and lifespan that you're seeing, do you believe that that is coming from. From the increased efficiency in the mitochondria in mito. Mitogenesis, the production of new mitochondria. Are you making the existing ones more efficient? Are they producing more ATP? Like, what mechanistically, do you surmise is happening by depriving the body of oxygen? Because I'm really fascinated by this because I have a hyperbaric chamber. I have an HBO tech out in Colorado.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

My house is at 10,500ft.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

So. So I have a naturally hypoxic.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I love it.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. So I. So I have a gym upstairs and I. Working out there is very humbling because I do these high rock style workouts here with my son and then I try to repeat the workout when I'm up there and I'm like, good lord.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

You're like, I can't breathe.

[Gary Brecka]

I can't breathe. So I do a modified style of workout there and then I go down and get in the hyperbaric. And I do have a sealed mask, recirculating mask. Let me tell you something. When I get out of that thing, I. I feel like I can solve some complex math equations.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right. My PhD student and I just finished a paper on is hyperbaric oxygen a performance enhancing drug?

[Gary Brecka]

Dude, I am telling you another n of 1. It is absolutely performance enhancing. When I get out of there, I am calm, focused, centered, clear, awake. I actually want to challenge my. Like, I actually feel like going back upstairs and working out again.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

You know, but I also feel like I can solve complex problems and I'm in that parasympathetic state.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oh yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Of almost Zen, like. Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, I love that.

[Gary Brecka]

I. I love that too. And it's hard to describe. I get the same thing when I talk about this a lot too. Just putting on a rucksack, putting this little ion. I'm. I'm wearing one now, this weighted vest. I have a. One that I use for working out. And I have this little three and a half mile loop through the woods, 10,500ft, come back, I dropped that thing on the deck. And I'm like, I feel like I found the messiah. Like.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

I feel amazing. Got millions of dollars of equipment in this. In this unit. Nothing makes me feel better than that.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

So what is happening by. In. In your opinion, by flicking this switch between hypoxia and hyperoxy under pressure? Yeah, because that's the key.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

What we think, and this is pure supposition, we don't know anything. We think we're increasing mitochondrial efficiency. Right. I think we are. I don't even want to say we, because even the other researchers, you know, you see me, but there are 12 other researchers on this team, and there are great scientific minds on this team. Right. So not just me. I mean, not that I'm a scientific mind at all, but, you know what I'm saying, this team is well put together and perfect for what we needed. But all these hormetic stressors, put together all that stress that you want to put put on your body when you go to the gym, when you go to the ice bath, when you go to the red light, all the. All those stressors, man, all that stuff is actually good for you. So when you do that, you can make the mitochondria more efficient. And if you make the mitochondria more efficient, I liken it to a road, Right. We want to pave the road. So we pave this much. Okay. And then I want a little bit more now. I want a little bit more. I'm widening the road. I'm widening my ability to live. Because right now, you're a human, you can live pretty much 100% oxygen down to 16% oxygen. I want that more. I want to be able to live in 14 oxygen. Why? I want to be adaptive. I want to be able to go all the way up to 3.0, 300% oxygen effectively. Right. I want to broaden that path. I want more muscle, I want to rip more fibers. I want to do this, you know, so it's. It's a. It's a wild thought, but, you know, we're. We're still trying to find the science and crack the code on this. There's a lot of there.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. But I think that, you know, given the number of indications that it's approved for now.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

The relative safety of it and using gas pressure, hormetic stress, these are all things that we have a lot of data on in terms of, you know, strengthening the body and improving performance and function. And I think most people are after that cognitive benefit as much as they Are the physical benefit. Right. Athletic performance, great.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

But, you know, we all want to have our faculties, you know, going late in their life.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Two things. So you said safety, and I just want to nickel on safety real quick. So we did 102 year exhaustive study of every single accident with any kind of oxygen involved. And we even included, we even included Apollo 1. That's how complete this was. Because it was an oxygen environment. It was a hypobaric environment, but oxygen. Less than 150 people have lost their lives in 100 years. Now that's a horrible number, trust me. But 150 years, or 100 years and 150 people, that is a very low number. That's way lower than aspirin. That's way lower than Tylenol. That's way lower than any of these other drugs. Right. So it is not dangerous if done correctly. Right. Like when you start to combine hydrogen and putting your red light therapy in and doing all the stupid things in the hyperbaric chamber. In the hyperbaric chamber. Bad, bad juju. Right. Take a class, learn, get your, learn on and understand it. Which, like I said, you should be lauded because you, you're doing.

[Gary Brecka]

No, I really, I, I really am

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

practicing what you preach.

[Gary Brecka]

And, and I respect that I have such a large platform and, and I, and I have to be authentic and intentional about the information I've been putting out there. And to the extent that it's been wrong, I want to correct it so that people don't, you know, follow me and start doing the wrong thing because I'm glorifying how efficient I am in my hyperbaric.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right.

[Gary Brecka]

Which, you know, I've done. And so that's why I'm so excited about this podcast is like, set the record straight, put some guard rails in so people can safely, so safely use these hyperbarics at scale. You know, we're, we're Preparing to open 600 of these ultimate longevity centers and we have hyperbarics and all these ultimate longevity centers. I don't want hundreds of thousands of people to come in and be a human experiment in our locations. I want them to get a physiologic benefit at a very, you know, high, high level of efficacy and safety and, and, and not take the risk.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

If only you knew a guy to train all those people. You got a, you got a friend.

[Gary Brecka]

Oh, he's asking me for a job. Right. On my podcast. This is great.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Well, and the other thing is, you talked about cognitive enhancement and especially cognitive enhancement in a Declining age population.

[Gary Brecka]

Yes.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

If only. There was a paper that was just. Just written on that by Shayafradi. That's exactly what it does. It's cognitive enhancement in a declining age population.

[Gary Brecka]

When you say declining age population, what do you mean?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, we can't say elderly anymore, Right. Because it's the wrong word. Right. So, yeah, as you're. As you're getting older, you know, it's. We. We did this. He did the study. Right. So you. We're increasing cognitive function. We're increasing, you know, the multitasking and the single tasking that's in that paper. We're talking. I want to say it was 17 and 35. Don't quote me on the numbers, but 17 or a 35% increase in double tasking, multitasking, and single task work. It's incredible.

[Gary Brecka]

And this was in older ages.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, in the older ages. In the 55 plus community. Right.

[Gary Brecka]

So I hate that you call 55 plus older ages. First of all, as I'm 55, I'm 60 next year.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Okay.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay, well, just talk about yourself. I hate to, like, you know, when I started getting the AARP announcement, I'm like, screw you guys. Like, you know, I can get like a discount on my aaa. I'm like, I don't to want the discount.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, I hate it. Yeah, but that's all right because I wear it, man. I'm like, yeah, I'm 60. Come on, let's go. You want to get on a mat?

[Gary Brecka]

Let's roll. And so. So how are you using hyperbarics in your daily regimen?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Sporadically. Right, because sporadically and, and, you know, a bit stochastically. Right. So I'm doing this. I'm doing this. Higher pressure, lower pressure, higher pressure, lower pressure. Because I personally believe that works. Like you, I have a Ferrari in my garage. Well, it's not a Ferrari. It happens to be a hyperbaric chain. Same, Right.

[Gary Brecka]

I' proud of my hyperbaric 10.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Exactly. Right. So I do this on a regular because I believe. Right. And I'm taking blood, urine, saliva, I'm doing all the, you know, the mitochondrial function tests, working all this stuff, trying to figure all this out. There's a lot that goes into this. But look, why don't we have great research funded in hyperbarics? Who's the claimant for it? Who's going to make money on it?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, it's the problem. It's the same thing with peptides and a lot of these other things. It does not make them in valid it's naturally occurring.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

The trees make it. Yeah. Like, not like drug companies can make a million dollars on it. So there's no, you know, double. You know, there's no phase two clinical trial in. In hyperbaric oxygen therapy. My n at. At the University of south Florida was 420. And that's the largest one that's ever been done. The largest clinical trial in hyperbaric medicine history. 400.

[Gary Brecka]

The TBI at USF.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

The TBI at USF. Right. So that's it. 420. And you think about a phase 2D trial, that's like 40 or 50,000. No.

[Gary Brecka]

And when we talk about traumatic brain injury, is this at the time of a concussive injury or is this traumatic brain injury from, you know, past traumatic brain injury and you're trying to recover function?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah. So I just wrote the book Shout out to Strong, which is in editing right now, but you'll see that come out really soon. I'll give you a copy. But. But a concussion could be a traumatic brain injury. But all that involves, you know, could be mild, it could be moderate, could be severe.

[Gary Brecka]

Right, right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And it depends on how many, what, the frequency. Chronic traumatic encephalopathy. All that ties in somewhere with repeated hits or just a single hit. Right. You could get laid out with a single hit or have repeated really bad hits, and you can get away with it. Right. So there's a lot in there that we don't know. Right. Even when we're doing the endpoint of the study. And we went to the fda, the FDA was like, oh, we don't like the way you sol the traumatic. A cured traumatic brain injury. I'm like, well, what do you call it? And they're like, no, no, no. We don't have a cured traumatic brain injury. But we're just gonna. We're just gonna tell you that we don't like yours.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

We don't like your endpoint, but we don't have an endpoint. So make a new endpoint. And I'm like, oh, my God, it's so stupid. But, you know, look, since papyrus, since the days of Papyrus, 2000 years before Christ, we had traumatic brain injury on the book. So we have had it on the books for 3,000, 4,000 years. It's been written down. We don't have a cure. We don't have an endpoint. It's the only thing that I keep saying. We don't open it up. Look, if you look at the knee. I've done knee surgeries because I've ripped up my knee. But you've had this little plica inside the knee, a little bursa sac and a little tip on the end. You can't even see it on the images, Right. And that's a 1 millimeter thing that's causing hate and discontent in your knee. And, you know, the orthopedic surgeon's like, I wait till I get in there and I'll see. I'm like, what do you mean, see? Well, we don't open the brain, we don't go look in the brain. We just treat it on the outside and go, ah, you'll be fine. What you need is a tincture of time. You want to piss me off? That's how. When I got my traumatic brain injury, that's what they told me, you just need a tincture of time. And I was like,

[Gary Brecka]

I don't want a tincture of time.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

How did you get a TBI? Was it.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So I was driving my 1947 Chevy. Why? Because I dove 1,947ft. So I bought a D47 Chevy, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Oh, that makes sense. Okay. There's actually a correlation.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I love. So I got T boned at 9 o' clock in the morning on September 7th of 21. T boned in an intersection. I just come back from the gym,

[Gary Brecka]

knocked out, head hit the window.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

My head hit the window. You know, no airbags in that car, right? Bam. Bam. Thank God it's made of steel because the other car was total. My car was total. I'm locked inside. Shaved door handles, they can't get me out. I'm in. In the driver's seat. Somebody ripped the door off the hinges. Thank God. Throw me in the back of the ambulance. I wake up on the way to the hospital, they're like, hey, you okay? I'm like, who am I? Who are you? Where am I? What's going on? I look, I'm in a pair of scrubs, right? I'm going to teach. I'm like, okay, all right. I get to the hospital and the guy's like, oh, yeah, you're. You had a really bad hit. 8 millimeter hemorrhagic stroke, prefrontal cortex, left side right. So basically, bam.

[Gary Brecka]

Hemorrhagic stroke, bleeding.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah. So they had me in the ICU for two days looking, you know, fall risk, the whole bit detailed in the book. It's a great story. And then five more days in the hospital. So seven days in the hospital total. And then they're like, tincture of time. That's all you need. And I'm like, that's what you got. I'm like, I'm a TBI researcher. How about hyperbaric oxygen? You're like, well, you really don't want to do that. That's. That's a lot of blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, you can't even spell hyperbaric oxygen. You're telling me not to do it, right? Come on, at least know what you're talk. So.

[Gary Brecka]

So you start. You did Your N of 1 again.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

1. So here's the bad part, right? Like, so that was September 7th. I get out of the hospital September 14th. By the end of October, I'm ready to take my own life. I am literally suicidal because I'm just like, I can't. I can't. I couldn't think anymore. I couldn't. I couldn't reason. I couldn't function. I couldn't read, right? So it's like, oh, you couldn't.

[Gary Brecka]

You couldn't. You couldn't interpret the words like you could see them, but you just couldn't reason what they meant.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I had strabismus surgery when I was young, right? So part of that strabismus surgery, they pulled the eye in, right? So when they pulled the eye in, I'd have a lazy eye, right? But they pulled it in, and now it looks good, or it's used to. Well, when. When you have this surgery, it's common to see one and a half images, but then that goes away. Your compensation, your compensatory reaction in your body compensates for that double vision, and you phase it together and you see one. Well, when I got hit in the head, I lost all that compensatory behavior, and I went right back to ground zero, to the sixth grade, right after the acc. And I'm looking at people, and I'm like, there's your nose and there's your nose. So when I'm reading, I'm reading the first line here and the second line with this eye and the second line here and the third eye with this. And I'm like, I can't understand anything. And I couldn't even understand enough to figure out what was going on, so. And then I wasn't sleeping. Common with traumatic brain injury sufferers, right? It's like, it was horrible, right? So now I got this. But I needed to get there, to get back, to get better. And that is the impetus of every single thing that I've done since then, right? The atbaric oxygen, the ice Baths, the saunas, the neurofeedback therapy, the cognitive behavioral therapy, structural energetic therapy, all that stuff came from my traumatic brain injury because I needed to fix myself. The lifelong aging, anti aging healthspan cure thing, it all came exactly from my tbi. Thank God I had that. It was the best thing that happened that ever happened to me.

[Gary Brecka]

So I've been working out with my son lately, trying to keep up with him and his hyrox competitive athletes. And I've been starting to use this perfect amino pre workout. I really like it. It's got BH4, it improves nitric oxide output, but it actually seems to stay after the workout and not crash. There's no stimulants, so no caffeine, no ma wong, nothing that gives you that kind of amped feeling. You just feel like you're maybe better able to move during the workout. Like you have better blood flow. So if you're in the market for a pre workout workout, check out the perfect amino pre workout. It's my favorite now. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. So let's talk about some non brain benefits. A lot of people are touting healthier skin or youthful appearance to the skin. You know, the, the, the oxygen being provided to these dermal subdermal layers of the skin actually improving the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. Where do you fall in the.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, I mean, look, it's, it's collagen synthesis, right? Fibroblast proliferation, we need that. It's not just the thing that the girls inject in their face. It's real stuff. Every cell in your body, most every cell in your body uses collagen, right? So if, if it's the skeleton of everything, so you need it. So it. Hyperbaric oxygen makes it, I mean, you know, science wins. It's right now how it gets applied. Yes, I have seen it. Yes, I've seen it. Reverse DNA damage. Yes, I've seen it.

[Gary Brecka]

You have?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

But these are, these are ends of 1, 2, 5, 10. Right. These are all small numbers. Right. So preclinical sort of data. But you know, we've reverse diabetes, you know, type 2 diabetes. I've seen it. Reverse type of diabetes.

[Gary Brecka]

Improving insulin sensitivity.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah. Wow. And this is insane to think and you know, I don't want to get killed or anything, but like if we could do this, we could stop people from taking drugs, we could get people off of, you know, all these things, but it takes work. Why, why don't we have people going in it? Because You're a believer. You go in it. But how much does it take you? 80 minutes a day?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, 16.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And you know, by the time you get there and you change and you unbox it and you drive there like nobody can have it in their garage like you and I do. But, you know, it's two hours out of your day. Who's got two hours in their day to go to hyperbaric chamber?

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

For 40 times. Yeah. That's two months of your life you're never getting back. Right. So not a lot of people have it. So patient compliance winds up being a real problem.

[Gary Brecka]

So. But in the. In ambient air, compressed air, do you think it's safe for. Because I'm thinking, like, if people could. Biosphere stack, could they use a phone or a laptop under compressed air without.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No. And the reason why is because those batteries are designed for. Do you remember we were having problems on the planes with the batteries that were just blown. Right. And they now even have a bag that they've invented to seal inside of it. And in the unlikely event it has a problem on an airplane, the problem with that is you're sealed inside a hyperbaric chamber. So if you have a device in the there and something goes wrong with it, you can't get out. And people like, well, when you were underwater, Joe, you had a computer. I was like, yes. And if the computer caught on fire, I would take it and I throw it in the water. I had a hole in the bottom of my thing, and I'd throw it in the water. Right. Not like in the ocean. I'd throw it in the ocean to get rid of it. Right. And it wouldn't be in the Habitat anymore. How are you getting out? That's the problem. And then what happens when you increase temperature? Temperature. You increase pressure. You increase pressure. Now you're pressurizing your unit more. You can't even unzip it or open the door. I mean, you know, you can't get away from, you know, 15 pounds per square inch. You can't open that door. There's no way. Right, right. But, you know, you can't get it when it's increasing the pressure because you're increasing the temperature. So, yeah, it's. It's a no go. Right. If you have an issue, just keep the vault. Like, look, the. The new hyperbaric chambers that are coming out, your HPO tech, it's ASME PVH approved. That's why I like them. They're going for FDA clearance right now. They're still in the process, whatever. But the ASME PV ho. I'm an engineer, right. It says engineers do this this way, right. We keep the, you know, the voltages down. We all. Everything that goes in there is low. So you can have a type of a TV in there. You can have a monitor in there. You're allowed. It's just. It has to be done the right way. So if you're. So what's the one thing we haven't had on us? Right? Right now? Our phones. My thumbs feel great. I don't have my damn phone on me.

[Gary Brecka]

My thumbs feel great.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Well, like, how much do you take a break? So you take a break from your phone, I hope, right? In the hyperbaric chamber. Right? You take a break from your phone. Guys, you need a break from your damn phone. Your phone is causing most of these problems, this electromagnetic interference. I mean, there's a whole conspiracy theory behind all that, Right?

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

But like, boy, get away from that damn thing. Thing. Relax. Take it down a notch. Breathe. When you say, you come out and you're like, yeah, I feel great. You feel great because you haven't had your phone. That's part of it. And we see the healing is much better when people have no external stimulation. Don't go in the chamber to watch movies. Don't go in the chamber to go in the chamber to have your alone time and keep that and cradle it and make it yours and be like, nobody's touching my hyperbaric oxygen time. Because it, it makes me feel better. And if it makes you feel better, keep doing it. So ditch the phone is my whole thing.

[Gary Brecka]

Where do you see the future of hyperbarics going? Do you see it being common as a multivitamin in 10 years, do you think that the research is advancing to a place where it's going to be a must have? You know, in. In some ways one's biostack, obviously.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Price dependent, space dependent, time dependent. I get, I get all that. But for that person that is on that longevity biohacking anti aging journey, it's. You see it as being one of

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

those must haves, a hundred percent. I do, I do. I see. It's ubiquitous now. It has to be done the right way.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

The reason why we have such a great safety right record in 102 years, less than 150 people gone.

[Gary Brecka]

All right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

We have a great safety record because we follow build to this standard ASME PV stuff. Right. And so we got to kind of get away from those, you know, hodgepodge ones. The ones that aren't being made right. And we'll continue to have a great coming from China.

[Gary Brecka]

They and everybody just, you know, wants to buy it based on price. And yeah, I feel like if you're

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

paying oh you $5,000 for me, I'm like, really? The guys that I'm talking to, I'm like, you are multi, multi millionaire and we're talking about the difference between $120,000 and $30,000. What is your life worth? To me, it's a no brainer. Now I get it. I'm not trying to be a big man on campus, but I get it. Price is an independent variable, is a thing. But your life is not worth taking that risk. So have it engineered the right way and do it the right way. But if you do that, I think see it everywhere, in every home for anti aging, for whatever we're calling health span now, longevity. I think that it's truly, it's the one true force multiplier that everybody like guys like Brian Johnson are saying, oh, it's the one true thing. And I mean, I talk.

[Gary Brecka]

Myself too. Yeah, myself too.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

I mean guys are saying it's the, it's the right thing. I even got in an argument with Dave Asprey on stage over it.

[Gary Brecka]

Really?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oh yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

About whether or not it was no.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

You know, Dave did the whole intimidation thing, right? Like he stands up on stage and I'm like, bro, this ain't gonna go the way you think it's gonna go. But you know, in all lightheartedness, we had a good time afterwards. But you know, it's the kind of thing that I believe is gonna show up everywhere because it moves the needle. Everything else is like, oh, put this magic cream on. And it does. Come on. Really? I see way too much of that garbage.

[Gary Brecka]

I do too.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

So unfortunately, look, science wins over BS and the mechanisms of action work. And if you need collagen, this synthesizes collagen, that. That's all there is to it. I mean, let's not, you know, overcomplicate it. Yeah. It works for problematic foot wounds. Does that mean it's going to work for a bad arm wound? Probably. Is there data on it? No. Is there science behind it? Yes. Right. Like so like let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Let's not confuse like your industry was long was, you know, your lifespan or your how long you're going to when people are going to D. Right. So like let's not confuse your health insurance with somebody that actually cares about your health. And it's going to make you live longer. Right. So like, this is the kind of thing that, look, it's going to make you live longer. It's going to increase your telomere length. It does that. It's going to increase your cognitive function. It does that. We know it. The papers are there. Right. So stop with the whole, oh, yeah, I'm just going to let insurance pay for me, you know.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, no, I want to go into a little bit of a touchy area. So a video by Dr. David Minkoff in, in Tampa. And he's somebody I, I hold in very, very high regard. By the way, at LifeWorks, I have personally seen him work miracles in oncology patients. And, and his whole approach to cancer is don't just go after the villain, the cancer, also treat the host. You know, I use this analogy a lot. When a fish gets sick, first thing we do is clean the tank. His whole approach is keto diet, cleaning the tank, getting rid of heavy metals, mold, mycotoxins, parasites, viruses, all these things that are causing these low grade inflammatory infections and also treating, treating the cancer. And he uses these different stalking horse methods of, you know, driving blood sugar down with a keto diet, further down with insulin, introducing chemo, know, in conjunction with glucose to increase the uptake. But he swears by hyperbarics in oncology patients. And I don't know if that's something where you want to tread, but.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No, absolutely. Look, I'm, you know, I am intrepid.

[Gary Brecka]

Cancer, cancer is a, is a metabolic shift. Right. All cancer was at one time a healthy cell. Yep. It's not something that happens to us. Something happens within us. Something caused that cell's metabolism to shift. Maybe it was radiation, maybe it was toxic toxicity, you know, maybe it wasn't, you know, genetics, number of things. So it's not this rogue DNA. It is, it is metabolic shift in the, in the cell from healthy metabolism to. Yep, sick metabolism. And he, I, you know, has been out saying, listen, hyperbarics are part of our oncology. Oh yeah, regiment. We treat our cancer patients, patients with, with hyperbarics. Where do you fall on that? And what evidence have you seen if any?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right, so John Feldmeier wrote a whole bunch of papers on this oncology thing. Right. So we know that chemotherapeutic agents are made more toxic in a hyperbaric environment, which kind of stands to reason. You increase vegf. Fascinating. Endothelial growth factor. So you're actually feeding tumors, if you will, more. Right.

[Gary Brecka]

So with vegf.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, with vegf. Right. So with vegf. But you're getting VEGF from hyperbaric ferric oxygen therapy. It's one of the, you know, it's one of the mechanisms of action. So, okay, if. If you're feeding that and you're doing chemo, you probably don't want to do drugs like cisplatinum or disulfiram, because those are two absolutely known that they are made much worse in hyperbaric oxygen. So here was my thought, and Feldmeier and company were like, you're an idiot.

[Gary Brecka]

Right?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And I'm like, okay, I'm just a. I'm just a young researcher, right? So I said, instead of giving this much chemistry chemo and then letting them go off and do their thing, give them this much chemo less, and then do hyperbaric oxygen therapy if chemotherapeutic agents are made more toxic. So I said, oh, that seems more better. And he's like, look, jokingly, he said, you're gonna get yourself killed, man. Some big pharma guy's gonna whack you. I'm like, no, come on, man. Seriously. He's like, no, the problem is we don't know how much it's made more toxic, but. So stay away from those. But I'll tell you this right now, what we're doing is I just finished a pre proposal to a pediatric cancer foundation to talk about neuroblastoma and glioblastoma and taking beta hydroxylbutyrate to induce ketosis and remain in a ketotic state, and then do hyperbaric oxygen on top of that without chemotherapy to shrink tumors. So there's some pre work done by Prof. And d' Agostino on this, which is great stuff, and it looks good, especially with the beta hydroxybutyrate in combination.

[Gary Brecka]

Look, Ketone body.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, ketone bodies, Right. So oxygen is not helpful to cancer, Right. It's hurtful to cancer. Right? And then sugar. Cancer loves sugar. So if we take away the sugar and we give it the oxygen, which it doesn't like, it's gonna start shriveling up, right? So we're gonna see this proposal, but that's in rats or in mice, actually, technically. So we're going to do this proposal, and from what we're. The. The pre data. The preclinical data says that we're going to shrink tumors. So can you help? But remember, this is like a traumatic brain injury cancer. It's kind of like, do you have testicular Cancer? Do you have glioblastoma? Do you have, you know, myelo. Whatever? You know, you could have any kind of cancer. So how do you treat cancer 84 different ways? I mean, you know, but you can't go wrong by oxygenating and reducing the sugar. I mean, sugar's the devil, in my opinion. I'm just saying. Right. So get rid of the sugar in your life and up the oxygen. Like I keep saying in the book says, hyperbaric oxygen doesn't cure anything, but it helps your body help itself.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

And that's what we want, right? We want an organism that will fix itself better, Right?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I talk about this theory of immuno fatigue all the time, where it is slow, progressive, overwhelming of the immune system. System. And, you know, as we become less capable of defending ourselves and also less capable of policing ourselves, you know, the. The immune system is watching the senescent cells and cellular autophagy and, you know, making sure a CTC is a circulating tumor cell doesn't slip by. It's like, whoa, that's. That's doesn't have the right metabolism. Let's kill that. You know, natural killer cells can kill other natural killer cells that are not performing. Right. It's like. It's like having the SEAL team sickness unit.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Inside your house all the time, just making sure everything's running efficiently. And I think the immune system doesn't get enough credit for that because most people think of it as only protecting us, not also policing us.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Right.

[Gary Brecka]

And, you know, in. Nothing can go wrong, in my opinion, by having a healthier, more efficient immune system.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

This is why age is itself a disease.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

It truly is. Yeah, I know. I think they just renamed it as a disease, to be honest with you. Yeah. I think they just renamed age as a disease. You're young.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, I thought I just came up with that on the podcast. So.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

But. But we have an overactive immune system. We really do. I mean, right now, what's. What's the worst stress that you have? Like, somebody didn't like my Facebook post or somebody. Somebody said mean things to me in the car. I mean, our ancestors used to get taste by saber tooth tigers, for Christ's sake. Come on, let's. Let's be real here. Have a lot of stresses in our life, right? So when we see something, we go, like, immediately overboard, right? All these killer cells, everything pops their attention. Everybody starts, like, doing the thing that they're doing, right? And it's like, all right, all right. Calm down. So you see systemic inflammatory response as a consequence of people with an overactive, overreactive immune system. So we just kind of want to quell that down a little bit.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. Finally, I want to round out this X prize again. And then I've got a bunch of VIP questions for you. My VIP community knew you were coming on and they've got a bunch of questions for you. The. So intermittent hypoxia.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep.

[Gary Brecka]

And pressure is the sort of staple of this. But you are also using other therapies.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep. So red light sauna.

[Gary Brecka]

Um, and, and red light. Do you recall the nanometer wavelengths you're using?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay, so using the red light therapy. Sauna.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep.

[Gary Brecka]

Ice bath. Are you going sauna sauna to ice bath?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No, I'm not doing the back and forth. Okay, we just did the one, right? So the one exposure. Look, we're looking for that 13 increase in brown adipose tissue. The, you know, the cold shock proteins. We're looking for all that stuff.

[Gary Brecka]

So cold shock proteins, peripheral vasoconstriction, friction.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Releases norepinephrine, dopamine, activation of brown fat. Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

All those hormetic stresses which are free when you expose yourself to cold water. I talk about it all the time. I'm like, guys, you don't even need to spend whatever seven to ten grand on a cold punch. You can.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Three minutes, three to five minutes, you're done, Right?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Like let's, let's not overkill it, right? So sauna, 20 minutes, you know, 20 minutes.

[Gary Brecka]

How are you stacking these modalities? Are they on alternate days? Days? So hyperbaric is consistent five days on, right?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah, yeah. Hyperbarics is five days on. Hypobarics is five days on. If, if I had the perfect world designed, right? Hype, hypobarics in the morning, hyperbarics in the afternoon. And between that time, in that four or five hour time, go to the freaking gym. Get your gym on. Right. Then drink water, then do your red light, then, then do ice bath, then do. Yeah, it's. It's hard because I don't like to do the I ice bath and the sauna before and after one another. I like to give that space. That's my personal.

[Gary Brecka]

I do that ice bath in the morning. I do sauna night before bed. I actually find it that's has a mark increase in my sleep score. I just got back from a crazy trip in, in, in Europe. I spoke in, I spoke in, in each day. I spoke in Utah. Then I Went to New York, Then I went to London and I went to Con. Then I went back to like, London. Then I went to Maine, then I went to Alabama, Then I went to Scheduled in me.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

It was brutal.

[Gary Brecka]

But I got back and I did red light. I did about 25 minutes in the. In. In the sauna.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Took a cool shower, didn't want to cool myself off too much. Took a cool shower, went to bed and pegged a 97% sleep score and 97% recovery. Recovery felt amazing the next day.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Holy.

[Gary Brecka]

And I noticed that when I do sauna close to bedtime, dry off, I allow myself to cool off in the shower. I don't do the ice bath or maybe I'll do 1:15 to 30 seconds to bring my temperature down a little bit. I sleep so much better. It's like a. It's like a secret sleep hack.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

A hundred percent just doing that. That's exactly what I would be winding up doing if. If the world was perfect. Now granted, we' world isn't perfect, right? And hyperbarics in the afternoon is the best for. From your cycles and everything. But when can I do it? I can only do it in the morning. That's the time that I have the person watching me because somebody always watches me in the hyperbaric chamber. I'm not a. You know, not do as I say, not as I do. No, that's not me. Right? So somebody's watching me. And the only time they can watch me is in the morning, so I got to do it in the morning. Right. So you work out. If it works out, sort of thing. Great, you know.

[Gary Brecka]

So do you have one of those things, HBO tech Single? I do units. And then. Yep. You're telling. You're doing your.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Somebody watches me. All I do is breathe. Everybody's like, oh yeah, you can watch TV in those. And they have a tablet that you can. I'm like, I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. I don't a. Nothing with a battery goes inside my chamber at all ever.

[Gary Brecka]

That thing has got a.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

It's wired less than. Less than 28 volts per ASME PV HO code. But I don't do any of that TV. As a matter of fact, I don't even. I stopped subscribing to cable because I don't even watch TV anyway, so what the hell did I subscribe to cable for? So I don't subscribe to any of that stuff. I don't watch tv. I don't try not to look at my Phone if I can possibly avoid it. Although, you know, you have to text and so forth, but, you know, I mean.

[Gary Brecka]

And you're using the.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Yep, I'm using the bib system and breathing in and out, right. Repeating as necessary. And I take those deep because look, everybody, when they do ice bath, they do the whole. Yeah, what's this? This is sympathetic nervous system. This is parasympathetic nervous system. So I want to relax when I come out of that. I am so Zen like. And that's the one thing, like being underwater for 100 days, the one thing that I had to do was I had to look in the mirror every morning at myself. And there wasn't a lot of people visiting. I had a couple of visitors, but not a lot. So I did a lot of inward looking during that time. And I was like, dude, you better chill out and you got some things you gotta fix. I'm looking in the mirror at you. I don't like you very much. Let me change that gap, right? So relax. That's the key, man.

[Gary Brecka]

So I love it.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

That's what you do in there. Make it your time. That's, you know, look, that's what we need. We need decompression time. Right? Let me out. Let me off that phone.

[Gary Brecka]

Maybe people, maybe people start to think about their hyperbaric time as that meditation time, that zen time, that alone time, that quiet time.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Please. Yeah, do your meditative breathing in there. Whatever. I mean, you know, do your Wim Hof breaths. I don't care what you do, you know, just like chill out.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the, and then maybe it's not such a detractor from your day, you know? Right. My, my, my old approach was how can I be more efficient in there and bio stack things while I'm in the hyperbaric. And you're really reframing my.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

No, but if you want to stack, stack by breathing, stack by meditating. Because you got to meditate anyway, right? I mean, it's all a mindset thing. We know. We got to meditate. You are a captive audience, bro.

[Gary Brecka]

You're going only you. Yeah, no, I say my wife loves it because no one can talk to her. All she's, she's all about the meditation.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

She's my people.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, she's. You would love, you would love Sage. She's like, yeah, don't anybody talk to me. And I'll just go in here by myself. Yeah. Dr. D, this has been amazing. You're savage. And I, I, I wind down all of my Podcasts by asking my guests the same question. There's no right or wrong answer to this question, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Oh, wow. What does it mean to be an ultimate human? So I'm guessing for me, for Joe, it's living up to the potential that the good Lord gave me. Right. So every morning I hit my knees, I thank him for the day and I say, take my hands, tell me what it is you want me to do. And I go off and do whatever it is that he kind of guides me towards. Right. So maximizing that potential, I think, think I'm doing good by helping. I hope, I hope that's what I'm doing, is helping people. So, you know, being a good human is a rare quantity today. So just kind of try and help as much as you can and be around long enough to help more people. Right. If I can live to 110, which is my goal year, I'm going for 110, so I'm barely halfway through my life right now.

[Gary Brecka]

Well, let's see how your research comes. I mean, if your research comes out the way way that it looks like it is, you take the X Prize 110 in your mirror.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Easy peasy, right? They're like, oh, they just approved resveratol and rats and da da, da. Now they're going to move it to humans. And I'm like, yeah, it's the wrong thing. I realize that's a hormetic stress, but that's not what we're looking for.

[Gary Brecka]

Right?

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Everybody's looking for the quick fix pill.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. It's not going to be nad or

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

you got to work. The ultimate human works. Right? Like I see what you do here. You walk around this place, you live it.

[Gary Brecka]

Oh yeah.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

You literally live it. So you got to live it. And that's the way. It's the only way.

[Gary Brecka]

Thank you so much. I'm going to follow your journey. Hopefully you are going to be the finalist for, for the X Prize. I'll have you back on excited about your research and where it's going. Thank you for shedding so much light on hyperbarics. This biohack that really doesn't have an authority in the space. And, and you and Dr. Saunders, I consider he was your student authorities in the space and I really appreciate you coming on and clarifying. Thanks.

[Dr. Deteri (Dr. Deep Sea)]

Anytime, anytime. Anything you need.

[Gary Brecka]

Thank you so much. And until next time, guys, that's their science.