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[00:08]
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Ultimate human.
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Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Breca. And today we're talking about one of the most misunderstood mistakes in the entire detox world. But before that, I want to ask you something. If you started a detox and felt worse, not better, what did you assume that it was working, that you finally were pushing the toxins out? What if it wasn't progress? What if it was your body just telling you it's not ready? Every doctor I trust says the same thing. Detox order matters more than detox intensity. Skip a step and you don't heal faster. You just get sicker. On a new timeline. So today, three doctors who learned this the hard way, not in a textbook, in their own bodies. We're starting with Dr. Jessica Petross. She walked out of conventional medicine to chase root causes. She'll tell you that the one rule she broke early in her career and never again is you cannot detox someone who's still living in an environment that's poisoning them. Let's get into it.
[01:09]
C
And I would say my. My story exemplifies the saying from Rumi. The cracks are where the light enters. And so I started out training as a conventional medical doctor. I went to school at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, went to residency there. I did internal medicine, and I was board certified, and I only worked in the hospital. And I learned a lot. I triaged, and I kept care of a lot of sick patients. But eventually, there started to be cracks in the system for me. I started asking questions that people didn't like. I started saying, you know, why am I discharging people on 40 different medications? That's not health to me. The doctors should be really ashamed of the food that the hospital system has had contracts with.
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B
I think they'd be ashamed if they knew.
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C
They don't know. Some of them don't know. And I will echo what you said. If I was in an emergency situation, I broke a leg, I held head straight to the emergency department. Thank God for acute medicine, but in chronic medicine, they kind of miss the mark. They did. And so, you know, I started to see that in the hospital system, and I started to ask questions. Maybe they didn't know what would happen if I said something. And it wasn't. They labeled me a disruptive physician. It didn't turn out so well. And the last straw, actually, I had been complaining about things, and last straw was I wrote this patient that's being admitted to our service. I wrote this in the electronic medical Record has been on a proton pump inhibitor called Pravacid for eight years when the package insert clearly says six months to one year. And I wrote that in the chart. And the primary care doctor, who was an outpatient, called the hospitalist, lead hospitals to complain about me and said she's a liability rather than him being the liability for the medication he had this patient on for years. And they set me down and they said, listen, if you don't stop doing this, you can't work for us. And I'm kind of knee jerk reactive sometimes, especially when I don't feel the ethics align with me. And I said, okay, I quit. And one particular patient sticks out in my mind here at Whitaker Wellness. Actually, I was there when Dr. Mark Philade was there, who does a lot in mold and Lyme, and it was the beginning of my career in functional medicine. I didn't know a lot about those topics. And a patient came in who had heart palpitations at night and his thyroid was all messed up and he had severe anxiety and all these other kind of just very vague catch all symptoms. And I was new, So I asked Dr. Mark Philade to see him for me as a second opinion. And he came back and said, this guy's Lyme. And I missed it. And I didn't even think to test for it. And by God, I never missed it again. I'll tell you that. That was my lesson.
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B
And so you do this test and let's say that you find a mold species. You know, I've been told that the cardinal rule you can't violate and sort of nothing else matters in the detox protocol is that a person has got to remove themselves from the toxic environment first.
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C
Avoidance, first rule of environmental medicine, a thousand percent. And I will tell you, based on genetic predispositions, how full their toxin bucket is, how stressed out they are. There are a number of multifactorial reasons people may not do well in mold. But I can sometimes open people's drainage and mold if they're more of a war genotype, if they have hladr, which is a haplogenetic haplotype that is on the, like a little sticker that's on the immune cells. These people don't recognize pathogen proteins as well, so they don't recognize Lyme, they don't recognize mold spores as well. So they can't remove them from the body. And they cause sickness in these people. I mean, really deathly ill sickness.
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Wow.
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And so I definitely can't get open the drainage if they're still in the exposure.
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So first stage is identify it and the second stage is get them out of that environment or remediate the environment they're in because nothing that you will be able to is going to help them if they're just continually inoculating themselves.
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C
But in general, first and foremost, like I mentioned, the nervous system regulation and taking care of histamine, which is so many people, I can't have their body just like so confused with chemical communicators that it's not going to take a protocol. So I have to calm the inflammation down. I have to give them antioxidants and basic building foundational nutrients so that they can fight, then calm down everything. Then when they're sleeping a little bit better, they feel a little bit better. They feel less anxious, less itchy and puffy, that's ready to open drainage and that can take a month or two if you're closed up. And you tell me you can't poop every day or you can't, you can't sweat in a sauna within 10 to 15 minutes. And people tell me they can't sweat, that's not normal, you can't. Your bile and liver should be moving properly, you should be sleeping a decent amount. And if that, I have to tune that up. Because if I can open those drainage pathways, then when I start killing and binding, they can drop. When I'm binding, that's like a mop up toxins. They can drop it out of their body, out of their bowels, out of their liver, out of their sweat. And if that's not open and I start a killing protocol, we're not going to be friends, they're not going to like me.
[05:46]
B
That's exactly what we've experienced. I'm so glad you're talking about this because most people think I just take something and I start detoxing and, and then the, and the problem is the detoxification process can make you much sicker than the. That's right, the process of. Because at least your body has hidden it and it's in the tissues and it's contained it and you know it's having a low grade inflammatory response. Your immune system's probably in a low grade fight, what's manageable and then all of a sudden it flares up. Dr. Petros just gave you the rule, get out of the toxic environment first. Nothing else works until you do that. But removing the mold is only step one. What happens inside your cells once the exposure is already there, that's where it gets interesting. Dr. John Kim found out the hard way. Not through a patient, through his own heart attack. At 33 years old. Doctors handed him a statin. He wanted an answer. What he found was bartonella, mold, mercury, and a nervous system that had been running from all of it for years. He built a method most doctors skip. He calls it the Encore method. And it starts with a step almost nobody takes seriously.
[06:51]
D
I end up having to be in the cardiac ICU unit staring at a wall for three days, wondering, how did this happen? And then I had this overweight physician coming in and telling me to cut out old meat, cholesterol and everything else. It put me on a atorastatin 80 milligrams. And I was like, this is nonsense. There's something wrong here. She did a blood work, and then after a month and a half later, that's when we've tested positive for espagilis antibodies, IgM, IgG, Bartonella infection, Mycoplasma pneumonia, Epstein Barr, mercury poisoning, on top of parasitic issues. I lived in a very moldy house to begin with growing up, right? And then also lived in a very stressful environment growing up as well. That's when I already had an existing problem to begin with. I had anxiety left and right. I could not sleep that well when I was in my 20s and 30s. And then when I actually had that heart attack, that's when I stopped to listen and figuring out, all right, what's going on? And I got the answer. Now, it took me about two years to clear it out, but it was a very tough process. And that was the moment that I found out how cellular integrity is so vitally important for your health, you call
[07:59]
B
it, which I thought was absolutely genius. The encore method, the environment, the nervous system, cellular integrity, which virtually nobody talks about, you know, Dr. Pompa and there's a few other, few other leaders in this area, optimized detox and rebalancing in the microbiome. I think what happens is most people skip the ENCO and go right to the R and start balancing the microbiome.
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C
Correct.
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D
So the. The reason that I came up with this particular encore method was after learning and diving into the whole cell danger response method, when you look at Dr. Robert Nebio's work of cell danger response, it's very complex and it's very difficult for you to take that information and put into clinical use of it. And so I was just thinking, like, what can I do to utilize this correctly for people who dealing with biotoxin issues, like, if it Was me back in 2015. If I had a particular methodology, what would I do differently? The first thing was basically the environment factor there.
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B
Right?
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Environment. If you are stuck in the same environment that made you sick, you're not going to get better.
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No chance. I always say that.
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Right. You cannot out biohack on that part. Right. The environment is the best thing that you could actually end up fixing. And this part is often difficult. The second thing, I would also recommend if you could hire the same people that does it, great. But building biologist building why non native emf? Why is that? The. And this. I'm a strong believer in this part now, more and more. The reason being is why is it that people are getting sicker and sicker even though we have advanced in medicine and such. I mean, you could talk about food, the glyphosates and all these things, but when you look at the bombarding issue, dealing with the cellular stress that we're dealing right now with non heavy mf, it's over than anything we could actually fathom now. Right. Compared to what it was 100 years ago is much, much greater.
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Okay, Dr. Kim just laid out the sequence. Environment, first nervous system, next, cellular repair before you ever even touch the gut. That's the framework. Here's what it looks like when nobody hands you a framework at all. Dr. Christina Ram was 19 years old. She fainted in a movie theater. She woke up and couldn't remember her own name. No functional medicine doctor, no detox plan. Just a diagnosis nobody believed and a body that was falling apart in real time. What she did next, with nothing but curiosity and her mother's background in herbs became the foundation for everything she teaches today.
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I was at a movie theater with my boyfriend at the time and one of my sorority sisters. I mean, and they're. And a bunch of friends. And I fainted and they got me to wake up, but I had such a high temperature and I couldn't remember my name. And I still remember my father. I love my father. So if he's watching this, I just, I love it. He didn't believe it was a real diagnosis because remember at the time no one really understood it. And then you're right, they were throwing everything at me. But even at that age. So I was younger growing up in a small town where my mother. The Native American background and then the Eastern European background, like the. I think on both sides of my families with herbs and vitamins and everything they wanted. They didn't really believe in taking us to a doctor. They believed in us Naturally treating things. So they threw everything at me. I looked like a completely different person. I was swollen all over. I was miserable.
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B
Corticosteroids will do that.
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And I just. Yeah, they had me on everything. It's a mixture, in my opinion, of taking different steps, nutritionally, even sometimes pharmaceutically, but spiritually, emotionally, and mentally, believing in yourself. And from my perspective, I really started studying things that could detox my body. Not really having any support from a medical community. But I feel like there's a parasitic component to that, because your spiral sheets, and you're right, they're hiding everywhere, trying to come out. So, you know, with cancer cells there, once you have a cancer diagnosis, you can go into remission. But unless you're constantly, and this is just my opinion, detoxing and keeping that the communication down between cancer cells or the communication down between spiral sheets or Lyme disease, it rears its ugly head.
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I totally agree with you. You know, there's an emerging theory in aging called immuno fatigue. And it's the assumption that, you know, progressively as we age, the immune system gets more and more and more overwhelmed. And things like Lyme disease, especially, as well as mold, mycotoxins, viruses, parasites, just distract the immune system. The immune system is over here, you know, trying to deal with the Lyme.
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So how is it supposed to protect you? Your P450 system, your IL2IL4 pathways are like rammed up by trash, right?
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Yeah.
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So how is it supposed to work? We've got to understand, your body can only handle so many things. So what are we going to do to change that? And when you buy a new refrigerator, a new air conditioner for a place like your beautiful home, you don't have to worry about it at first, maybe. But after 10 years or 20, and our Earth is our land, air and water has gotten older and our bodies have had to deal with all these outside, like Lyme disease. So that's personally what I've asked doctors and what I've treated myself with, along with turmeric curcumin. I think you probably know this about me. I believe in zeolites and silicas to detox.
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I'm a huge believer. By the way, those are gut binders. Yeah.
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Yeah, because you're trying to get it all out, Right? But then another thing for me is every time I look at detox, I'm focusing. I'm trying to focus on how do we detox people while we're also providing what they need for their body, which if you look at like Black cumin seed, turmeric curcumin. If you look at different types of zeolites which you act, you add, like a trace mineral component and vitamins. Then you can make sure when you're cleaning the system, you're also supporting the cell. So they're restoring back to who they
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should be cleaning the waste. I mean, I see it all the time. I mean, if you don't get rid of the exhaust, it will back up and blow the engine. Three doctors, three bodies that broke down before anyone would listen. From Dr. Petros. You cannot detox your way out of an environment that's still poisoning. You remove the exposure first, calm the nervous system second, open the drainage third, skip that order, and detox makes you sicker, not better. From Dr. Kim. A heart attack at 33 wasn't a cholesterol problem. It was mold, bartonella, and mercury in his body that he'd been fighting silently for years. Environment, nervous system, cellular integrity optimized. Detox, rebalance the gut in that order. Skip straight to the gut, and you're rebuilding on a foundation that's still toxic. From Dr. Ram. At 19, she lost her memory and nearly lost herself. Nobody handed her a protocol. She built one out of necessity, and it saved her life. Three different bodies, same lesson. The order you detox in matters more than what you detox with, and that's just science.

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The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka — Episode 289

Title: You’ve Been Detoxing Wrong This Whole Time ft. Dr. Rahm, Dr. Kim & Dr. Peatross
Date: July 23, 2026
Host: Gary Brecka
Guests: Dr. Jessica Peatross, Dr. John Kim, Dr. Christina Rahm

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives deep into one of the most misunderstood aspects of detoxification: the critical importance of detox order over detox intensity. Host Gary Brecka assembles three experienced doctors—each of whom learned about detox pitfalls through personal health crises—to discuss why most people (and even many practitioners) get detoxification wrong, sometimes with disastrous effects. The conversation focuses on the right sequence for healing, with vivid stories, practical frameworks, and a clear message: “You cannot detox your way out of a toxic environment. Sequence matters more than supplements.”

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking Down the Detox Myth: Order Before Intensity

Gary Brecka opens by challenging the common view that feeling sicker during a detox means it’s working, raising the possibility that it’s actually a sign your body isn’t ready ([00:12-00:33]).
Key tenet: Detox order genuinely matters more than “how hard” or “how much” you detox; skipping steps doesn’t speed up healing—it makes you sicker, just on a new timeline.

2. Dr. Jessica Peatross's Story: The Real Root Cause Approach

Medical System Disillusionment & Functional Shift

Dr. Peatross describes her transition from a conventional hospitalist to root-cause, functional medicine after seeing chronic patients discharged with mountains of medication ([01:08-01:46]).
- Quote:
  "Why am I discharging people on 40 different medications? That’s not health to me."
  — Dr. Peatross [01:36]

The Cardinal Rule of Detox: Remove the Ongoing Poison

Her hard-learned lesson: Detox cannot begin until the person is removed from ongoing toxic exposure (e.g., mold, environmental toxins), often missed in traditional medicine ([03:34-04:26]).
- Quote:
  "You cannot detox someone who’s still living in an environment that’s poisoning them."
  — Dr. Peatross via Gary Brecka [00:33]
Explains certain genetic predispositions (e.g., HLA-DR haplotypes) make some people unable to clear mold or Lyme, resulting in severe illness ([03:51-04:26]).

Draining Before Detoxing: Preparing the Body

Dr. Peatross details her approach:
- Calm the nervous system, modulate histamine response
- Supply antioxidants and foundational nutrients
- Only when foundational systems are stable, open drainage pathways (liver, sweat, bowel)
- Only after this phase should “binding” or “killing” protocols commence ([04:41-05:45])
Notable advice:
"If I start a killing protocol and [drainage] is not open, we’re not going to be friends—they’re not going to like me."
— Dr. Peatross [05:38]

3. Dr. John Kim's Encore Method: When Doctors Become Patients

Personal Crisis: Heart Attack at 33

Dr. Kim recounts nearly dying at age 33, misdiagnosed and prescribed statins before discovering underlying mold, Lyme coinfection (Bartonella), mercury, and chronic stress ([06:51-07:59]).

The Encore Method Framework

Dr. Kim’s Encore Method sequence—born from experience:
1. Environment: Eliminate the source (mold, toxins, EMFs)
2. Nervous system: Regulate fight/flight response
3. Cellular integrity: Repair and calm inflammation before gut work
4. Optimize detox: Now, open up actual detoxification
5. Rebalance microbiome: Leave the gut until last
- Quote:
  "If you are stuck in the same environment that made you sick, you’re not going to get better. No chance. You cannot out-biohack on that part."
  — Dr. Kim [08:58-09:05]
Stress on the overlooked factor of non-native EMF exposure as a modern toxin ([09:05-09:48]).

Common Detox Mistake

Gary Brecka highlights: Most people skip to gut healing/rebalancing while still toxic, leading to failed results ([07:59-08:24]).

4. Dr. Christina Rahm: Self-Experimentation and Integrative Wisdom

Dr. Rahm’s Story: Illness Without Answers

As a teenager, Dr. Rahm collapsed, lost her memory, was pumped full of medications, and given a diagnosis nobody believed ([10:24-11:23]).
Her healing came from a blend of traditional knowledge (Native American and Eastern European herbal wisdom) and necessity.

Principle of Ongoing Detox

Rahm emphasizes the role of ongoing, multitiered detox—nutritional, pharmaceutical, spiritual, emotional, and mental ([11:25-12:12]).
- Quote:
  "...spiritually, emotionally, and mentally, believing in yourself. I really started studying things that could detox my body—not really having any support from a medical community."
  — Dr. Rahm [11:25-12:12]
Notes many chronic diseases are “hiding” (e.g., Lyme, parasites, even cancer cells), requiring consistent, layered detoxification ([11:23-12:12]).

Supports That Heal While You Detox

Advocates combining binders (zeolites, silicas), anti-inflammatories (turmeric/curcumin, black cumin seed), plus trace minerals and nutrients ([13:29-14:00]).
- Quote:
  "When you’re cleaning the system, you’re also supporting the cell, so they’re restoring back to who they should be."
  — Dr. Rahm [13:42]
Metaphor: The body's detox system is like exhaust—if you don’t remove waste, inflammation “backs up and blows the engine” ([14:00]).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Detoxifying Before Preparing the Body:
"Most people think I just take something and I start detoxing... The detox process can make you much sicker than the [original toxins]."
— Gary Brecka [05:45]
On Unrecognized Illness:
"...I had anxiety left and right. I could not sleep that well, and when I actually had that heart attack, that’s when I stopped to listen..."
— Dr. Kim [07:11]
On the Immune System's Overload:
"There’s an emerging theory in aging called immuno-fatigue...the immune system gets more and more overwhelmed."
— Gary Brecka [12:12]

Episode Timeline: Important Segments

[00:12] Introduction: Why most people detox wrong
[01:08] Dr. Peatross’s background & origin story
[03:34] First detox rule: Remove environmental exposures
[04:41] Preparing the nervous system and drainage before detox
[05:45] The risk of detoxing before the body is ready
[06:51] Dr. Kim: Heart attack and root causes ignored by medicine
[08:24] The Encore Method explained: Proper sequence for recovery
[09:48] Modern toxins: EMFs and our toxic environment
[10:24] Dr. Rahm: Collapse, memory loss, and building her own protocol
[11:25] Role of belief, emotional & spiritual healing in detox
[12:12] Ongoing detox: Chronic toxin and cancer ‘hiding’ theory
[13:29] Supporting the cell with nutrients while detoxing
[14:00] Episode’s core lesson summarized by Gary Brecka

Key Takeaways

Detoxification must start with removing ongoing sources of toxicity—no supplement or therapy compensates if you’re still being exposed.
Calming the nervous system and ensuring the body’s “drainage” systems (gut, liver, skin) are working is essential before any active detox (“killing” or “binding”) is attempted.
Genetics play a big role: some people have immune systems less able to clear certain biotoxins, making both assessment and personalized protocols essential.
Skipping foundational steps and jumping to gut or microbiome work is building on top of a toxic foundation—rarely successful.
A truly integrative approach embraces environmental, biological, nutritional, emotional, and even spiritual healing in proper sequence.

Final Message

Gary Brecka closes:
"Three different bodies, same lesson. The order you detox in matters more than what you detox with—and that's just science." [14:00]

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[00:08]
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Ultimate human.
[00:12]
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Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Breca. And today we're talking about one of the most misunderstood mistakes in the entire detox world. But before that, I want to ask you something. If you started a detox and felt worse, not better, what did you assume that it was working, that you finally were pushing the toxins out? What if it wasn't progress? What if it was your body just telling you it's not ready? Every doctor I trust says the same thing. Detox order matters more than detox intensity. Skip a step and you don't heal faster. You just get sicker. On a new timeline. So today, three doctors who learned this the hard way, not in a textbook, in their own bodies. We're starting with Dr. Jessica Petross. She walked out of conventional medicine to chase root causes. She'll tell you that the one rule she broke early in her career and never again is you cannot detox someone who's still living in an environment that's poisoning them. Let's get into it.
[01:09]
C
And I would say my. My story exemplifies the saying from Rumi. The cracks are where the light enters. And so I started out training as a conventional medical doctor. I went to school at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, went to residency there. I did internal medicine, and I was board certified, and I only worked in the hospital. And I learned a lot. I triaged, and I kept care of a lot of sick patients. But eventually, there started to be cracks in the system for me. I started asking questions that people didn't like. I started saying, you know, why am I discharging people on 40 different medications? That's not health to me. The doctors should be really ashamed of the food that the hospital system has had contracts with.
[01:47]
B
I think they'd be ashamed if they knew.
[01:49]
C
They don't know. Some of them don't know. And I will echo what you said. If I was in an emergency situation, I broke a leg, I held head straight to the emergency department. Thank God for acute medicine, but in chronic medicine, they kind of miss the mark. They did. And so, you know, I started to see that in the hospital system, and I started to ask questions. Maybe they didn't know what would happen if I said something. And it wasn't. They labeled me a disruptive physician. It didn't turn out so well. And the last straw, actually, I had been complaining about things, and last straw was I wrote this patient that's being admitted to our service. I wrote this in the electronic medical Record has been on a proton pump inhibitor called Pravacid for eight years when the package insert clearly says six months to one year. And I wrote that in the chart. And the primary care doctor, who was an outpatient, called the hospitalist, lead hospitals to complain about me and said she's a liability rather than him being the liability for the medication he had this patient on for years. And they set me down and they said, listen, if you don't stop doing this, you can't work for us. And I'm kind of knee jerk reactive sometimes, especially when I don't feel the ethics align with me. And I said, okay, I quit. And one particular patient sticks out in my mind here at Whitaker Wellness. Actually, I was there when Dr. Mark Philade was there, who does a lot in mold and Lyme, and it was the beginning of my career in functional medicine. I didn't know a lot about those topics. And a patient came in who had heart palpitations at night and his thyroid was all messed up and he had severe anxiety and all these other kind of just very vague catch all symptoms. And I was new, So I asked Dr. Mark Philade to see him for me as a second opinion. And he came back and said, this guy's Lyme. And I missed it. And I didn't even think to test for it. And by God, I never missed it again. I'll tell you that. That was my lesson.
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B
And so you do this test and let's say that you find a mold species. You know, I've been told that the cardinal rule you can't violate and sort of nothing else matters in the detox protocol is that a person has got to remove themselves from the toxic environment first.
[03:51]
C
Avoidance, first rule of environmental medicine, a thousand percent. And I will tell you, based on genetic predispositions, how full their toxin bucket is, how stressed out they are. There are a number of multifactorial reasons people may not do well in mold. But I can sometimes open people's drainage and mold if they're more of a war genotype, if they have hladr, which is a haplogenetic haplotype that is on the, like a little sticker that's on the immune cells. These people don't recognize pathogen proteins as well, so they don't recognize Lyme, they don't recognize mold spores as well. So they can't remove them from the body. And they cause sickness in these people. I mean, really deathly ill sickness.
[04:26]
B
Wow.
[04:26]
C
And so I definitely can't get open the drainage if they're still in the exposure.
[04:30]
B
So first stage is identify it and the second stage is get them out of that environment or remediate the environment they're in because nothing that you will be able to is going to help them if they're just continually inoculating themselves.
[04:42]
C
But in general, first and foremost, like I mentioned, the nervous system regulation and taking care of histamine, which is so many people, I can't have their body just like so confused with chemical communicators that it's not going to take a protocol. So I have to calm the inflammation down. I have to give them antioxidants and basic building foundational nutrients so that they can fight, then calm down everything. Then when they're sleeping a little bit better, they feel a little bit better. They feel less anxious, less itchy and puffy, that's ready to open drainage and that can take a month or two if you're closed up. And you tell me you can't poop every day or you can't, you can't sweat in a sauna within 10 to 15 minutes. And people tell me they can't sweat, that's not normal, you can't. Your bile and liver should be moving properly, you should be sleeping a decent amount. And if that, I have to tune that up. Because if I can open those drainage pathways, then when I start killing and binding, they can drop. When I'm binding, that's like a mop up toxins. They can drop it out of their body, out of their bowels, out of their liver, out of their sweat. And if that's not open and I start a killing protocol, we're not going to be friends, they're not going to like me.
[05:46]
B
That's exactly what we've experienced. I'm so glad you're talking about this because most people think I just take something and I start detoxing and, and then the, and the problem is the detoxification process can make you much sicker than the. That's right, the process of. Because at least your body has hidden it and it's in the tissues and it's contained it and you know it's having a low grade inflammatory response. Your immune system's probably in a low grade fight, what's manageable and then all of a sudden it flares up. Dr. Petros just gave you the rule, get out of the toxic environment first. Nothing else works until you do that. But removing the mold is only step one. What happens inside your cells once the exposure is already there, that's where it gets interesting. Dr. John Kim found out the hard way. Not through a patient, through his own heart attack. At 33 years old. Doctors handed him a statin. He wanted an answer. What he found was bartonella, mold, mercury, and a nervous system that had been running from all of it for years. He built a method most doctors skip. He calls it the Encore method. And it starts with a step almost nobody takes seriously.
[06:51]
D
I end up having to be in the cardiac ICU unit staring at a wall for three days, wondering, how did this happen? And then I had this overweight physician coming in and telling me to cut out old meat, cholesterol and everything else. It put me on a atorastatin 80 milligrams. And I was like, this is nonsense. There's something wrong here. She did a blood work, and then after a month and a half later, that's when we've tested positive for espagilis antibodies, IgM, IgG, Bartonella infection, Mycoplasma pneumonia, Epstein Barr, mercury poisoning, on top of parasitic issues. I lived in a very moldy house to begin with growing up, right? And then also lived in a very stressful environment growing up as well. That's when I already had an existing problem to begin with. I had anxiety left and right. I could not sleep that well when I was in my 20s and 30s. And then when I actually had that heart attack, that's when I stopped to listen and figuring out, all right, what's going on? And I got the answer. Now, it took me about two years to clear it out, but it was a very tough process. And that was the moment that I found out how cellular integrity is so vitally important for your health, you call
[07:59]
B
it, which I thought was absolutely genius. The encore method, the environment, the nervous system, cellular integrity, which virtually nobody talks about, you know, Dr. Pompa and there's a few other, few other leaders in this area, optimized detox and rebalancing in the microbiome. I think what happens is most people skip the ENCO and go right to the R and start balancing the microbiome.
[08:24]
C
Correct.
[08:24]
D
So the. The reason that I came up with this particular encore method was after learning and diving into the whole cell danger response method, when you look at Dr. Robert Nebio's work of cell danger response, it's very complex and it's very difficult for you to take that information and put into clinical use of it. And so I was just thinking, like, what can I do to utilize this correctly for people who dealing with biotoxin issues, like, if it Was me back in 2015. If I had a particular methodology, what would I do differently? The first thing was basically the environment factor there.
[08:59]
B
Right?
[08:59]
D
Environment. If you are stuck in the same environment that made you sick, you're not going to get better.
[09:04]
B
No chance. I always say that.
[09:05]
D
Right. You cannot out biohack on that part. Right. The environment is the best thing that you could actually end up fixing. And this part is often difficult. The second thing, I would also recommend if you could hire the same people that does it, great. But building biologist building why non native emf? Why is that? The. And this. I'm a strong believer in this part now, more and more. The reason being is why is it that people are getting sicker and sicker even though we have advanced in medicine and such. I mean, you could talk about food, the glyphosates and all these things, but when you look at the bombarding issue, dealing with the cellular stress that we're dealing right now with non heavy mf, it's over than anything we could actually fathom now. Right. Compared to what it was 100 years ago is much, much greater.
[09:49]
B
Okay, Dr. Kim just laid out the sequence. Environment, first nervous system, next, cellular repair before you ever even touch the gut. That's the framework. Here's what it looks like when nobody hands you a framework at all. Dr. Christina Ram was 19 years old. She fainted in a movie theater. She woke up and couldn't remember her own name. No functional medicine doctor, no detox plan. Just a diagnosis nobody believed and a body that was falling apart in real time. What she did next, with nothing but curiosity and her mother's background in herbs became the foundation for everything she teaches today.
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A
I was at a movie theater with my boyfriend at the time and one of my sorority sisters. I mean, and they're. And a bunch of friends. And I fainted and they got me to wake up, but I had such a high temperature and I couldn't remember my name. And I still remember my father. I love my father. So if he's watching this, I just, I love it. He didn't believe it was a real diagnosis because remember at the time no one really understood it. And then you're right, they were throwing everything at me. But even at that age. So I was younger growing up in a small town where my mother. The Native American background and then the Eastern European background, like the. I think on both sides of my families with herbs and vitamins and everything they wanted. They didn't really believe in taking us to a doctor. They believed in us Naturally treating things. So they threw everything at me. I looked like a completely different person. I was swollen all over. I was miserable.
[11:24]
B
Corticosteroids will do that.
[11:25]
A
And I just. Yeah, they had me on everything. It's a mixture, in my opinion, of taking different steps, nutritionally, even sometimes pharmaceutically, but spiritually, emotionally, and mentally, believing in yourself. And from my perspective, I really started studying things that could detox my body. Not really having any support from a medical community. But I feel like there's a parasitic component to that, because your spiral sheets, and you're right, they're hiding everywhere, trying to come out. So, you know, with cancer cells there, once you have a cancer diagnosis, you can go into remission. But unless you're constantly, and this is just my opinion, detoxing and keeping that the communication down between cancer cells or the communication down between spiral sheets or Lyme disease, it rears its ugly head.
[12:13]
B
I totally agree with you. You know, there's an emerging theory in aging called immuno fatigue. And it's the assumption that, you know, progressively as we age, the immune system gets more and more and more overwhelmed. And things like Lyme disease, especially, as well as mold, mycotoxins, viruses, parasites, just distract the immune system. The immune system is over here, you know, trying to deal with the Lyme.
[12:40]
A
So how is it supposed to protect you? Your P450 system, your IL2IL4 pathways are like rammed up by trash, right?
[12:49]
B
Yeah.
[12:49]
A
So how is it supposed to work? We've got to understand, your body can only handle so many things. So what are we going to do to change that? And when you buy a new refrigerator, a new air conditioner for a place like your beautiful home, you don't have to worry about it at first, maybe. But after 10 years or 20, and our Earth is our land, air and water has gotten older and our bodies have had to deal with all these outside, like Lyme disease. So that's personally what I've asked doctors and what I've treated myself with, along with turmeric curcumin. I think you probably know this about me. I believe in zeolites and silicas to detox.
[13:28]
B
I'm a huge believer. By the way, those are gut binders. Yeah.
[13:30]
A
Yeah, because you're trying to get it all out, Right? But then another thing for me is every time I look at detox, I'm focusing. I'm trying to focus on how do we detox people while we're also providing what they need for their body, which if you look at like Black cumin seed, turmeric curcumin. If you look at different types of zeolites which you act, you add, like a trace mineral component and vitamins. Then you can make sure when you're cleaning the system, you're also supporting the cell. So they're restoring back to who they
[14:00]
B
should be cleaning the waste. I mean, I see it all the time. I mean, if you don't get rid of the exhaust, it will back up and blow the engine. Three doctors, three bodies that broke down before anyone would listen. From Dr. Petros. You cannot detox your way out of an environment that's still poisoning. You remove the exposure first, calm the nervous system second, open the drainage third, skip that order, and detox makes you sicker, not better. From Dr. Kim. A heart attack at 33 wasn't a cholesterol problem. It was mold, bartonella, and mercury in his body that he'd been fighting silently for years. Environment, nervous system, cellular integrity optimized. Detox, rebalance the gut in that order. Skip straight to the gut, and you're rebuilding on a foundation that's still toxic. From Dr. Ram. At 19, she lost her memory and nearly lost herself. Nobody handed her a protocol. She built one out of necessity, and it saved her life. Three different bodies, same lesson. The order you detox in matters more than what you detox with, and that's just science.