In her first interview since the release of the NACC’s report into Robodebt, Deputy Commissioner Kylie Kilgour joins us to unpack her findings and what it all means for the public service. This is a rare chance to go beyond the written report with candid reflections on the conditions that led to one of most significant failures of public administration in Australia, and the complexities of the accountability process.

In this episode, we cover:

the four key contributing factors to serious corrupt conduct: ignorance of the law, failure to work with lawyers, rushed timelines and senior pressure
why being “polite and collegiate” can fail - and the risks of not making concerns unmistakably clear
how austerity, budget cycles and unrealistic deadlines distort judgement and behaviour
the role of toxic culture, including bullying, fear of speaking up, and the myth of untouchable senior leaders
the difference between serious maladministration and corrupt conduct - and why some high-profile referrals did not meet the legal threshold for corrupt conduct
what Robodebt reveals about missed opportunities to intervene - and the consequences of not listening

The NACC's Guide to Ethical Decision-Making: https://www.nacc.gov.au/research-and-guides#ethical-decision-making-a-guide

Operation Myrtleford Report: https://www.nacc.gov.au/investigation-reports-and-case-studies#operation-myrtleford

Get in touch with the NACC: https://www.nacc.gov.au/about-nacc/contact-us

Further NACC resources:

This podcast was recorded on Kaurna land, and we recognise Kaurna elders past and present. Always was, always will be.

Now for some appropriately bureaucratic disclaimers....

While we have tried to be as thorough in our research as busy full time jobs and lives allow, we definitely don’t guarantee that we’ve got all the details right.

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Thanks to PanPot audio for our intro and outro music.

'Til next time!

Kylie Kilgour, Deputy Commissioner at the NACC: On Robodebt