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Lyle
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Brooks
Hello, Hello. What's up, Geck?
- [00:49]
Lyle
Not a whole lot. It's a beautiful fucking day outside. I think the pills I've been taking are working. It's hard when you say, you know, it's hard when, like, you're trying to solve for X in your, like, body and mind, you know? I mean, like, I've been. For years, I've been trying to solve for X. I'm like, how much caffeine? What kind of pills? Am I high? Am I sober? What time did I wake up? What am I doing? You know, like, this is all this fuck you're trying to solve for X of like, what are the exact. What's the chemical equation that's gonna make me a functioning human fucking being? And I feel like a functioning human being right now, and I can't. I don't know what the X is. I don't know if it's pills, I don't know if it's sun, I don't know if it's a combination of a bunch of things, but I'm not gonna ask any more fucking questions. I'm just gonna enjoy the feeling.
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Brooks
Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to get to that point sometimes. Like, just. Just own it for a bit, you know?
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Lyle
Yeah. Yeah, Sometimes. Sometimes you don't. Sometimes you just don't fucking have to ask questions. But what's your name? Did I ask you that already?
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Brooks
Brooks.
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Lyle
Brooks. What's up, Brooks? Is there anything you wanted to talk about today?
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Brooks
Yeah, sure. I mean, I have a. I don't know, I really, like, respect what you do. I feel like there needs to be more, like, mentors in the world. Kind of is something I think you do in a weird way. Like, for. Especially for, like, you know, I'm like, millennial, but, like, I feel like Gen Z and like, younger millennials never really got that mentorship actually online.
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Lyle
I feel uncomfortable being. I'm. I'm very honored that you would refer to me as a mentor, but for some reason, I feel uncomfortable being. Is that. I don't think it needs to be.
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Brooks
No, I don't think it needs to be, like, a thing. Like a mentor's like, oh, it's like Mr. Miyagi like, oh, we're. We're, you know, wax on. I think it's just someone that, like, you can kind of like someone who's maybe, like, had a little bit more life experience than you, or in your case, like, talk to more people to, like, understand more life experiences, to help people kind of, like, frame they're, you know, the way they're feeling or what they're doing in their lives. And I kind of, you know, I wanted. I've been wanting to, like, do that myself because, like, I had a pretty crazy run in my 20s, and, you know, now I'm, like, 35. And so I just. I don't know, I feel like it's just nice to be able to kind of see people where they're at and like, hey, man, like, you're doing all right. You say that a lot, especially when someone calls, like, oh, I'm 19. I'm going through this crazy. And it's like, yeah, you're 19. Just, like, chill, right? Go through what you're going through and.
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Lyle
Right.
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Brooks
Yeah. So I just. I don't know. I really respect that. But, yeah. Yeah. So I grew up, like, super conservative Christian in Texas. And so, like, my parents were super strict, didn't let me watch, like, I couldn't even watch, like, Rugrats. I could only watch, like, Disney Channel. Rugrats was too, like, too much. So I just kind of lived that life up until I was, like, you know, 16, 17. And I was like, this whole Christianity thing doesn't make any sense. It's funny because, like, you being Jewish, one of the things that turned me off the most was, like, I asked them in, like, Sunday school, like, do Jews go to heaven? And they're like, oh, no, no, no, for sure not. I was like, huh, that doesn't. Doesn't work. That doesn't make sense. You know, so. So I started, you know, kind of, like. Kind of, like turning away from all that and smoking weed and drinking and, you know, got, like, super shunned. I was, like, perpetually grounded. And so I just kind of, like, separated from my family and went off to college and got into a good school and, like, started studying for chemical engineering at, like, Texas A and M, which is a crazy engineering school, and just, like, couldn't keep up that and working, like, I was like, full time D Squad and, like, trying to do that. And a job full time is just like, because I wasn't getting any money. And so, you know, I dropped out of that and kind of went the Geek Squad route for a while and then started picking up DJing as a hobby. Because I'd always been into, like, electronic music and raves. And this is kind of like, you know, when that was, like, burgeoning, like 2012, 2013. Like, I've been helping out with some local shows and started doing lighting and then, like, got a gig working the lighting at a nightclub. And, like, it was like, all these bars in college stations. So I started doing the lighting. And so then I was, like, in with the DJ and actually, like, learned how to DJ through that and kind of made that, like, my passion while I was still working D Squad and ended up meeting this chick. She actually came up to talk to the DJ because he played a Britney Spears track, even though it went off. And so we hit it off from there and we started dating, moved into a house together, got three cats together. We were together for years. And then one day, out of the blue, she's like. So I've been talking with my best friend, who was like, her ex from back when she was in undergrad, about this plan that we've had for whenever his grandfather passed away, he was going to get an inheritance. And they always had this plan to, like, move back to the west coast and buy this piece of property and, like, turn it into, like, a communal party, festival grounds type thing. Like, kind of like a commune, but just for, like, little mini festivals. And she's like, so I'm like, I'm gonna go do that.
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Lyle
And. Whoa.
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Brooks
I talked to him about it, and he said, like, you're a dj. Like, he seems like, you seem cool. You could be helpful. So do you want to, like, go do that and, like, go drop everything? Like, I'd only lived in Texas, you know, I'm 26. At the time, I was like, yeah, let's do it. Texas was kind of getting old. Like, the whole DJ stuff was kind of getting stale. And so we. Okay.
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Lyle
I totally. I totally thought this was turning into a thing where she's like, yeah, I'm gonna go be with my ex.
- [07:14]
Brooks
Yeah, it was. But also, like, I was invited along. So it became this, like. Yeah. Moved all the way across the country, sold everything, bought a truck and a trailer and drove all the way out to fucking Reno and moved into her mom's basement and the three of us. And because he quit his job working tech and then so he had also been working like on building an art car for Burning Man. I don't know if you know much, I've talked a little bit about it, but basically him and his buddy had like. His buddy had bought a 5 ton army truck and they turned it into a giant art car. And this is the first year they were doing that. So he's like, yeah, like, I got you tickets to Burning Man. Like, let's go. It's on me. And so I went from like Texas, you know, nothing to Burning man in a matter of months. And that was pretty wild. Like I went from like DJing at a bar in a, you know, like a college town in Texas to like DJing on top of a 2 ton army truck with two stories in a middle of a Burning man maelstrom. So I was pretty. I was pretty hooked at that point. I was like, this is way better than anything I ever had going on.
- [08:35]
Lyle
So. Okay, so did she. Did your ex girl, did your girlfriend at the time like romantically get back together with her ex?
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Brooks
No, I mean, we were together still.
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Lyle
Okay.
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Brooks
But I mean there was still definitely. I feel like that tension. Maybe I was like blissfully unaware of it especially, you know, like a Burning Man. Like, everything's crazy.
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Lyle
Were they like, Were they, Were they?
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Brooks
I don't think so. Probably not. They didn't seem like that kind of thing. I mean, they just always been really good friends. Like, you know, they're like high school sweethearts. Went to college together and then like moved out to Texas together. And that's when I met her. Okay. But yeah, so after Burning man, you know, it was like Burning man, everything's like crazy awesome. Like, stayed up and did acid for three days in a row and that, that'll change your mind about what the world is. But after that then we kind of like started hitting the grindstone hard and like checking out all these properties all across the west coast and eventually landed on one out in like Mendocino and pulled the trigger on it. And next thing you know, it's like the three of us out living in the middle of the woods in the middle of winter. And that's when shit got really weird. Like it was like the rainiest winter they'd had. It rained like 100 inches that winter, which is like tropical level rainforest. And like there was a landslide that cut off the road. It was like on Highway 1. And this landslide like cut off Highway 1. So we were like marooned from the main town. So we had to drive like, an hour up the coast to get food and water and stuff. I mean, there was water, but. And, yeah, so we're just like, in this kind of, like, dark, dreary, raining, everyday warehouse in the middle of the woods, like, trying to turn this thing into, like, a community festival ground space. And we were doing some drugs and she was. She started getting more and more into acid, and there would be points where she would just take it for, like, days at a time and not sleep. And she thought she was, like, connecting with some kind of greater meaning to the universe. And. And something kind of snapped in her where basically she just started losing touch with, like, actual reality. And, like, come to find out later, she went from, like, you know, she'd always been kind of bipolar, you know, like, where you, you know, go from, like, depressive to kind of, like, you know, hypomanic, where you're, like, energized and doing stuff and. But yeah, there was, like, a switch that flipped with that where she went from, like, type two, which is that kind of, like, functioning, you know, just like, goes from, like, really depressed, really happy, and back and forth to, like, type one, which is, like, you go through, like, actual mania. And she was like, like, speaking in, like, a Lana Del Rey voice and, like, making prayers to Kanye west and Elon Musk and like, convinced that she was having a relationship with Kanye via Spotify. And it was just really weird because it was like, all hyper fixated on, like, Elon Musk and Donald Glover and. And the two of. And so she was kind of the only thing holding the three of us together. And once she lost it, the two of us who didn't even really have any sort of prior friendship or relationship, we're just like, what the are we doing? Like, what do we do? And, like, she couldn't see. I don't know if you ever. I'm sure you've probably heard people stories of, like, dealing with people who are fully manic, but it's like they can't see it in themselves. And, like, whenever they need to, they can just, like, snap out of it and act like a totally normal human. And it's really hard to get someone to. To get someone help when they are, like, refusing treatment. It's like, it's impossible unless they're proving that they're a danger to themselves or others. You can't get a 5150 in California. And so this went on for months and, like, to a point where it was like, like, we had a shotgun on the property for protection, and there was like a whole bunch of spooky with the shotgun. And it was like coming into spring, and we had just booked our first camp out. And this is like, kind of like the whole point of this whole endeavor is to like, throw this camp out with this other Burning man camp that we were friends with. And we're like, we can't have people coming to this place with her like this. So her parents, like, flew in and like, drove in and took her to like a crisis center. And that's when we were able to get her into, like, actual care. And that was the same weekend as the first camp out. So it was like, right when I'm at like the darkest, deepest point of my own. Like, you know, this is like my whole life. Like, I didn't have anything besides her really out here. Like, if this all went tits up, I didn't know what I was gonna do. But then, like, all these people came in from San Francisco and like, through this awesome party, it was all weekend. Everyone was so cool and loving. And I just like, right when I lost her was when I found, like, my people. And my purpose was like, oh, it's like here to, like, build community and like, give these people a place to, you know, get together and hang out, make friends and play music non stop and do drugs, but the right way, you know, like. And yeah, so that was, you know, that was 2017, and we've been doing that every year since then and the parties have been really epic. And then started my own parties back in Reno and things have really been just taken off going to Burning man every year since then. We broke up. I, I, I. So like after that initial time when she got 5150, we ended up moving back to Reno and he stayed over the property and, you know, it took a while to actually get her like, fully medicated and like, get her to start seeking treatment. Like, took multiple times of like, taking her to mental hospitals and stuff. But after a couple years, I was finally felt like she was stable enough for me to leave. And that's when I got my own place and then met the love of my life shortly thereafter. And we're getting married on the 24th.
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Lyle
Wow. I have, I have 80 billion questions for you.
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Brooks
Yeah, what do you got first?
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Lyle
All right, so this plot of land, you bought it in 2017.
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Brooks
Mm.
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Lyle
And you still own it?
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Brooks
Well, it's my buddies, but yeah. So, so my ex's ex, you know, the guy who we moved out There with.
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Lyle
Yeah. And you guys are. You guys are homies now.
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Brooks
Yeah. Yeah. I always like to say I got him in the breakup.
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Lyle
That is very funny. That's very funny. Do you still talk to your ex at all or like, what's her deal?
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Brooks
She's good. I don't.
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Lyle
We.
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Brooks
I mean, I had to go no contact because the breakup was really messy and we had like three cats together. So, like, having to walk away from that was super brutal. Like, that is one thing, man. Like, I couldn't imagine what it'd be like having children because just leaving those three cats behind was gut wrenching. So, yeah, I mean, I basically went no contact. And, you know, I've talked with her occasionally and, you know, we tried to have like a friendship, but it's just. I don't know, I think we're just better off living our own separate lives, you know, I think she probably has some resentment. I mean, I don't know for sure, but like, I think she has some resentment for kind of like me still living the life that she wanted, you know, but. Because I could keep my shit together and she couldn't, you know, I mean, it's not like, you know, it's not like. I mean, yeah, there were some choices she made that led to it, but, you know, it's like it was a straight up brain chemistry thing. Like, it was just.
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Lyle
Do you think it was. Do you think it was like caused by taking so much acid?
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Brooks
So, yeah, I mean, it's actually. I don't know if you ever listen to like, Shane Moss, but he's an amazing comedian who's like a psychedelic comedian, I guess would be the best way to describe it. He has this. He was filming a documentary called Psychonautics where he was like doing all these different drugs and he did like, went on a DMT trip and he went for. He went fully like manic bipolar afterwards. And then so, like, after he had gone through this whole mania, he like sat down with like, his, his, you know, psycho, like his psychotherapist friend and they talked about like, yeah, like if you have a pre existing condition, like undiagnosed bipolar disorder and you take a lot of drugs, you can, you know, go from being a bipolar type two to being a bipolar type one, which, you know, has like the, the serious, you know. So, yeah, I mean, it was like it was an underlying condition that was like induced by a drug episode. That makes sense.
- [18:16]
Lyle
That does make sense. Yeah. That's the kind of shit that makes me, you know, I used to be like, oh, I really want to like at some point try ayahuasca or dmt. Just because like I'm, I enjoy like kind of soaking up all the different crazy life experiences that there are. But I think nowadays I'm like, it's, it's a little scary, the idea that you can.
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Brooks
Yeah.
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Lyle
Just on like one fucking trip, change everything.
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Brooks
Yeah, I mean it's really rare, you know, I mean a lot of people like self diagnosis bipolar or whatever, but like the reality of having those conditions, like if that was the case, I mean we'd have, I mean. Well, I guess we do have a lot of people like that, but I think you know, the people you see on the streets and stuff like that, that kind of drug induced psychosis is from like long periods of like, you know, methamphetamine use, you know, where you're staying up for days and days and like that. Yeah, I feel like there's like know, there's. The thing that happened to her is pretty rare because I mean there's so many millions more people who do tons of acid. And yeah, they may be different but they're not like fully, you know. And people, people do ayahuasca. People been doing that for centuries. And yeah, it's like, I guess the question is like, how much do I want my brain to change? Like, you know, like it's. There is a gamble, you know, for sure. But you know, for some people, for people like with ptsd, with all the studies that they're doing with like MDMA and psilocybin and stuff like that, like these are, these are people who are, you know, in desperate need of help, you know, Whereas like, and so it's like, yeah, we gotta try this.
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Lyle
Well, I think there's a diff. There's a difference between like, like, like I would do, I would do any drug medically assisted. I want to try that at some. I would, I would love to try. I was, well, I was, I was actually, you know, I was like the past two months have been like, were pretty like mentally horrible for me. I was very like in a, like we like just bizarre existential crisis that I couldn't get out of. And I was. And only recently do I feel pretty good actually. But while I was, when I was in that I was like, okay, I was like, I was like friend. I was on Reddit every single day like looking through all the like ketamine therapy shit and I was gonna do it and then I just like, I don't know if it was Zoloft or whatever the fuck, but I just woke up a few days ago. Honestly, I woke up a few days ago and I was like, oh, I actually feel great. I'm not gonna. And then for the past three days, I haven't, you know, looked up ketamine therapy shit or ask chatgpt about it and so chillin for now. But I. If I think. If. I think if it comes back, which it will, which it always. Yeah, if it comes back, which, you know, I'm sure it will, but I'll be a little bit stronger because when I was in the Thrones of it, I didn't think I could feel the way I feel right now as I'm talking to you. I didn't think I could ever. I thought I was done ever being able to feel that way again, which is really scary. But now that I've experienced feeling that way and then bouncing back, it's like I have the knowledge that it's possible. Although. Although. Although when you're in the throes of something like that, I don't even think you. You. You don't really follow logic in the way. You can't really be. Yeah, you can't really be like, well, logically, I have beaten this before, and so I will be it again. Beat it again. You know, your brain isn't really.
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Brooks
Well, I mean, even the fact that you were looking through, like, therapy and stuff like. Like looking for answers for ketamine therapy and stuff like that means that you were still, like, in a state where you were willing to help yourself. And I mean, the fact that you did get on SSRIs and, like, hearing how that they've been. I mean, that was one of the things that was super beneficial for her was getting on the right sort of SSRIs just to kind of help regulate these things that go on in our brain that affect our mood so much.
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Lyle
Yeah.
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Brooks
I mean. But also, like, that being said, ketamine's fucking amazing.
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Lyle
Have you. Have you done. Have you done the. The ketamine assisted therapy shit.
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Brooks
Off label?
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Lyle
Okay. Just like recreation. I've only done. Yeah, I've never. I, Like, I. Someone gave me like a key bump of ketamine once. I didn't. I didn't like it. It was. It just made my heart feel like I. Like it was gonna burst out of my chest. So. I've never been into. I've never. I'm not like a recreational ketamine guy, but I know that. I know people love it. I. You know, here in Brooklyn, everyone's Everyone's ketted up.
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Brooks
Yeah, I mean it's pretty much like I used it. I mean I still use it every chance I get. It's like so that, that first group that came to that first camp out, like their whole thing was like, we don't do coke here, we do K. And like it just creates like a whole new social dynamic as far as party drugs are concerned. Because it really does like open up your mind in this way where you dissociate from like all of the kind of like trappings of your identity in a way. Like, even if, even if just like in small doses you kind of just feel this like weight of your whole, you know, it's a disassociative. So you kind of like disassociate from all of the like social anxieties that you have. And like you'll just kind of just say whatever comes through your mind off the top of your head, which is like. And then maybe afterwards, like, whoa, that was like too personal. But I don't know, it's. I, I like I can, I've done multiple sessions of ketamine therapy with myself, my friends in the back, like in the green rooms of nightclubs. Just like you, just like you do it and like, I don't know, hold on.
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Lyle
I don't know if I would necessarily refer to that as ketamine therapy.
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Brooks
It was ketamine assisted therapy in the sense that like, I don't know, like. Yeah, I do think that people. I, I mean maybe not like therapy.
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Lyle
I. There. I think I'm glad it worked for by. There is, there's definitely a difference between doing it recreationally and doing with like a, you know, a person.
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Brooks
Yeah.
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Lyle
Never die.
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Brooks
I really haven't really done therapy, like air quotes around therapy, but I also do believe that like therapy can be sought with like in your community. Like in the sense that like having someone just listen to you and you being able to open up about yourself and then them asking you like probing questions and helping you reframe it, like is the basis of psychotherapy and like. Yeah, sure.
- [25:47]
Lyle
I mean, yes.
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Brooks
Well, they call it a license thing you can pay for, but it is.
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Lyle
Like they call it self medicating.
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Brooks
Yeah. I mean if it was purely just about the drugs and you're just like sitting by yourself and doing the drugs, like. Yeah, that also has its own benefits. Like they've shown in, in reducing depression. But like I find it and you know, I, it's, it's, it's as a social like and I'm not saying this is something for, like, someone who has, like, you know, you know, treatment resistant PTSD or depression. Like, I'm not saying that you should just go, like, buy a bag and go sit in the back, like, green room of a nightclub, but, like, for people just kind of like, going through or, like, daily life struggles or, like, breakups and things like that that, like, can lead to depression. Like, you know, I've. We've had, you know, just. You have these interactions that were assisted by some drugs. It wasn't like, we were just, like, completely hammered out of our minds. Like, these are things, you know, just like, in a recreational dose, it's much smaller than when you get a ketamine infusion and you're, like, out in outer space and then you blast off for 30 minutes and then you come back and talk to a therapist. This, you know, we're talking about, like, mild doses, like a keyboard, you know.
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Lyle
Like, I would love to. I've never. Yeah, I haven't had a lot of experience with ketamine as a. As a club drug or even, you know, have I done the infusions yet? But I'd love. I haven't done MDMA in a very long. In a few years, but I. The few times that I've done it have been fucking say I want. I'd love to do, like, a. Like, an MDMA therapy journey. Fucking thing. That would be sick. Maybe one day I'll do something like that. Yeah.
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Brooks
Is amazing for, like, couples therapy, too, because you get, like, closer with someone and you can talk about the things you might not normally talk about.
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Lyle
Yeah. Yeah. It just. It puts you in this, like, crazy, like, people get very, very vulnerable emotionally on mdma. That's the. That's like. That's probably. I mean, that's the coolest part about it, is that everyone, like, really lowers their, like, emotional barriers and, like, kind of connects with each other.
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Brooks
Yeah. And I think it's different from ketamine that way where, like, where you feel like a disconnection with ketamine. With mdma, you feel, like, a deep connection, like, and even, like, if that's to, like, with, like, within yourself, like, to your inner child or something like that, you know, like. Whereas, like, ketamine, like, you can, like, dissociate, like, dissociate from traumas and, like, kind of, like, talk about it. Whereas, like, mdma, you're, like, really, like, feeling these things and, like, feeling the love or feeling the trauma and, like, really, like, kind of like, you know, as Opposed to, like, zooming out. You're really zooming in. It's kind of the way I've experienced it.
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Lyle
Well, well, listen, enough of this. Enough of this hippie shit. Enough of this hippie shit. Enough of this hippie shit. I have. I am. I have business questions for you. I'm very curious.
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Brooks
Yeah, yeah.
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Lyle
About. About a lot of the things that you said about this thing that you do. So what. So where is it and what is it? And tell me why. I'm very curious.
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Brooks
Yeah, so it's basically like out in the middle of the woods in Mendocino county, like, kind of almost to Humboldt, which. I don't know how much Northern California stuff you've done, but it is like, you know, like the neighbors are growing weed. Like, it's like, you know, it's out in the country. And that's kind of the reason that we picked the spot was because we want to be able to play loud music for 72 hours. And so basically, yeah, that's. That was kind of the purpose for being out there so far was, you know, it's like, we know our neighbors. Like, sometimes we have to pay them off to get them a hotel room so that we can blast house. House and techno music all night long. And.
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Lyle
And so you do. And so you do this. You do this once a week? I mean, not once a week. Once a year?
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Brooks
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I have a job. I work for a sign company. But like, this is like kind of like the passion project, you know, so, yeah, we have like, probably personally, like, I'm involved in like two or three campouts out there a year up to like the last. The big one was like 250 people.
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Lyle
Cool.
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Brooks
And. Yeah, and it's like Thursday through Monday, like non stop music, non stop partying. Like, you know, and it's all. It's like, you know, kind of built on like Burning man ethos, which, like, the whole thing about Burning man is like, you show up, you bring your own stuff, like, and we'll provide you with like, water and maybe a couple meals. But then like, you're supposed to be like, self sufficient, pick up after yourself, leave no trace, like, take care of each other. And so, yeah, you can get 250 people in the middle of the woods and have them be partying for, you know, four or five days in a row. And we've never had to take anyone to the hospital except for like one guy got a kidney stone once. Or like, we've never had anyone break anything. And oh, granted, this is also like people in their, like late 20s, early 30s, you know, kind of. Yeah, you know, if we were having like more of like a EDM rave, you know, crowd, like, I'm sure we definitely have a lot more.
- [31:14]
Lyle
Well, actually, that actually brings me to another thing I was curious about is. Well, because you, you, you referred to me as a mentor earlier in this call and now I ask of your mentorship because I'm curious what it feels like. I've been thinking a lot about like getting getting older and stuff. And like, I'm always thinking about like, what the hell is my life gonna be like in, you know, 10 years or eight years or whatever. And so, you know, I'm interested talking to you because you seem like a guy who is also, is also kind of a chaser in terms of like life experiences and like personal growth bullshits. And so what's, what's it feel like for you at 35 versus at 27 in this life journey?
- [32:21]
Brooks
I mean, I could have never imagined where I am now compared to where I was then. Like, I felt very similar to where you are now. Like, very stuck, like doing awesome things, like still DJing, still like doing cool, but like kind of just in this like, pattern of like, work party on the weekends, work party on the weekends, or you know, your case, like, you know, like travel, tour, whatever. Your, you know, kind of like rhythm that you're finding yourself in. But I mean, eventually like, you know, it just took like some crazy leap of faith. And next thing you know, a month later, I'm in the middle of the desert, like on mushrooms, playing music to like 100 people that are just like so excited that I'm there. And like, I'd never experienced that in that way before. Like, when you're DJing at a club, it's very like disconnected. Like they show up, they buy drinks, they leave. But like, this is like, oh, we're all camping in the middle of the desert together. Like we're gonna get to know each other over the next however many days. And like, that's. But yeah, I mean, like, it's all about like really, it's just about like finding a really tight knit community. And like, I mean, I still think like, you got to go to Burning Man. It's like just, you know, you know.
- [33:31]
Lyle
What'S funny is what all we were. You know what's funny is I've been intently listening to you. You're, you're great at telling, telling your story, but while you were talking, I had a. On this phone Call. I had a few times where my mind drifted and I was like, I got to go back to doing music festivals and fucking. I got to go to Burn, man. And like, like, you're like, you're getting me excited. I'm like, oh, I forgot the energy of those fucking things. It's just like out of this world I would love. I know.
- [34:03]
Brooks
It's like what gets me through like the depressed or like, like through the winter, like whenever I'm feeling down, it's like, oh man, summer's right around the corner. Like doing this, camp out, doing that. Like you need those things in your lives to like, to. To build. Like you get all of this like super excitement from these insane parties or.
- [34:22]
Lyle
Whatever your traveling forward to.
- [34:25]
Brooks
Yeah. And then like. And like so Burning man. It's like every year, you know, once. Once the end of summer comes around, it's like you're starting to pull out the dusty gear and it's just like getting in those kind of rhythms like. And you know, that's like things that we used to have like back in like tribal, you know, like with Equinox parties and like solstice, like we would always like kind of have these ritualistic festival type things or you know, not even tribalistic, but like in like, you know, just in, you know, now it's like, it's also corporatized and it's like, oh, no one's really getting that excited about Halloween or Christmas or like it's just. It's so like boring and corporate now. It's like. But when you have something like Burning man or like I know you like Electric Forests or stuff like that, like just buying a ticket for that, even if it's six months out, can like totally just change the way your, you know, excitement levels can be through like the.
- [35:15]
Lyle
Yeah.
- [35:15]
Brooks
Through the times when you're kind of down.
- [35:17]
Lyle
Do you know what my next. Actually, you know what? I'm. My next. My next thing is. I gotta. I gotta get a ticket for this before it's too late. Because I'm. This is a thing. I'm go. You know what? Maybe that. Maybe I'll. I can you still go to. I was gonna say my next thing. I'm almost certainly gonna go to the gathering of the Juggalos. I've always wanted to go since I was like 14. And I think I'm gonna. I would really like to go there and be a gecko and talk to people there. I think that'd be fun as fuck.
- [35:49]
Brooks
I'm sure you can still get Tickets.
- [35:51]
Lyle
Can you go to Burke? Can I still get tickets to Burning Man? How does that work? Is it a. Tickets?
- [35:55]
Brooks
Yeah. Well, well.
- [35:57]
Lyle
So I thought you just show up. I thought it was like a fucking.
- [36:00]
Brooks
Well, so back in the day, you used to be able to buy tickets at the gate. Over the last 10 years, it's been, like, sold out because kind of like the, you know, it became like this, like, you know, bucket list thing where, like, you know, Instagram influencers and tech, you know, bros, kind of like turned it into something totally different. But now, like, last year was the first year it didn't sell out and they had tickets for sale at the gate again. So, like, if you want to go, you can get tickets now.
- [36:28]
Lyle
All right, I'm.
- [36:30]
Brooks
Anyone listening? Like, who's. Who thought that Burning Man? Or you've heard about it, but heard it's impossible to get tickets. Like, it's now becoming a thing where you can go. Like, it used to be really hard.
- [36:41]
Lyle
I know that every YouTube motherfucker has done it to death, but it would be really. I don't even give a fuck about that. I would be really fun to just show up and do my gecko interviews there and shit. I remember doing them at. I remember doing them at Bonnaroo a few years ago, and that was. That was fun. I always have a great time doing the. The gecko shit at. At those festivals. What's your name again?
- [37:13]
Brooks
Well, if you want to go, let me know. I'll get you set up with the survival kit, because it's.
- [37:18]
Lyle
Oh, shit.
- [37:18]
Brooks
It's not like a regular festival where you can just like, show up in a gecko suit. Like, you gotta either get an RV or, like, serious, like, tent situation going, because, I mean, a week out in the desert is a lot harder than like, a weekend in a. In a forest grove, you know?
- [37:36]
Lyle
What's. What's your name again, sir?
- [37:39]
Brooks
Brooks.
- [37:40]
Lyle
Brooks. What's. What's next for you, Brooks? What's. What's. Getting married. Oh, yes. You are getting married. You. Oh, yeah. Okay. You. You know what's funny? Yeah, you told me a whole bunch of things that popped up. A lot of questions that I had, and then we started talking about ketamine, and I forgot the questions, but now I have the questions again. What. How'd you meet this new lady? How did you meet this new lady? How'd you meet the new Tinder? Tinder? Tinder.
- [38:09]
Brooks
Yeah. I super liked her. It was. It was.
- [38:12]
Lyle
Yeah. Okay, you know what? I am incredibly invested in this because I'm the super like or unhinged. The rose. Right. It's. It's weird. It's seen. Some people could perceive, for those of you who are not on dating apps, the, the super like and the rose is the thing where you can like pay the app or sometimes you get like one whatever it is you. You pay the app.
- [38:39]
Brooks
Yeah, it was like 10 bucks a month. You got like one a week when I did it.
- [38:43]
Lyle
Yeah. And you, you pay for like a rose or a super like. And it makes sure that when you like like a person's profile, it. They see it. And some people feel as though the super like or the rose can be seen as desperate. Can be seen as.
- [39:04]
Brooks
Are we all desperate people?
- [39:06]
Lyle
But that. But a. But a. Beautifully said by you. Aren't we all desperate? Aren't we all desperate? You know what I hate this is. Hold on. I'm following a billion different trains of thought because I do want to talk more about the super like thing, but I hate when people say that. I hate when people as like a negative connotation say that somebody is attention seeking or like, or like a pick me or whatever. Because I hate when people say that because we all are all naturally attention seeking. We're all pick me's in our own way. But. And the super like, I mean it's.
- [39:45]
Brooks
The basis of all evolution.
- [39:46]
Lyle
It's the basis of all evolution. And so I hate when people say like, oh, like this person's like an attention or whatever. But anyway, the super like is there's a bit of a fear of it being. Yeah. Too much. And yet I love hearing that you are getting fucking married to somebody because you sent the fucking super like that 10 fucking dollars. This is not an ad for Tinder, but I am genuinely amazed that that 10 fucking dollars has completely changed the course of your entire life for the better. That is. That's mesmerizing to me.
- [40:29]
Brooks
Yeah. And I mean like, because I had been on the dating apps for a few months, so I just got out of this super long relationship and I. I've been on the dating apps for a few months, but I really just kind of got my own room and was like out on my own where I felt like I could actually date. She had been on it for like days, you know, and it was that kind of thing where it was like, if I like if, if I hadn't super liked her, I mean, she probably had 100 other matches to scroll through. She would have never found me. She would have found someone else within date. Like she would have been out of the dating pool within a week. Whereas, like, I would have probably been swiping for years. And, you know, who knows? Like, and I found my soulmate. Like, we've been together for over six years now. We do everything together. We.
- [41:13]
Lyle
Wow.
- [41:13]
Brooks
I mean, you know, like, she. One of the reasons I was super liked her, because she had a picture of her at Burning Man. This goes back to why Burning man, like, changed my life so much. Like, if I hadn't been to Burning man and realized, like, oh, I see this person has also been to Burning Man. We share these values, we share these interests. She's clearly worth a super leg. And, you know, we went on a first date and I had gone on a previous. I've been kind of dating this girl previously where I had, like, spilled my whole story about what had happened with my ex and, like, you know, been vulnerable with her. And the next day she texted me, like, hey, I really still think you're hung up on your ex. Like, send me this long text. And I just, like, responded like, okay. And I felt like, so empowered just not to, like, try and like, defend and like, no, no, no, it's not true. Like, I was just like, okay. Like, I knew right then it wasn't gonna work. So on our first date, I just completely unloaded all of this, like, trauma and I've been through for the past so many years. And she's like, oh, really? Let me tell you my story. And she went through her past seven years of how she just got out of a relationship with her shitty ex. And so we immediately. Because I was vulnerable, we immediately connected on a deeper level. And what could. She was like, saying, like, I was supposed to be a girl. I was just supposed to be a fling. Like, she had just gotten out of this relationship. She wanted to be wild and single. But what could have been a one night stand turned into life wrong relationship because I was vulnerable on that first date.
- [42:41]
Lyle
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [42:42]
Brooks
Plus one to. So, like, if you had people that come with dating advice, it's like, oh, I've been through all this. Like, I don't know when I should. Like, if it's truly. If it's a soul match, if it's someone you're truly meant to be with, and you just vomit all that stuff on them. Like, then they're like, they're gonna be interested in you because that is who you are on it. Like, on a deeper level.
- [43:04]
Lyle
Mm, no, I feel that I a hundred percent agree with you on that. Because, like, yeah, you're you're not. The more vulnerable you're willing to be on like a first date and the more you're willing to, you know, kind of like put yourself out there. And I think a lot of like, like, I think that there's people kind of mistake like vulnerability when it's truly just like I'm gonna just throw this out there and I don't care what you think about it is, is attractive. I think that like the people get hung up on like, oh, if I like reveal too much or if I fucking am too vulnerable, it comes off as like needy. But it only comes off as needy if it is. If there is a need. But if it's more of just like being like true, honest to God vulnerable just because you like as like an expression of who you are, you know, I. The right people latch onto that shit.
- [44:22]
Brooks
Yeah, I know. It's like it wasn't attractive to this one girl, but it was to my soulmate, you know, so like that it did it exactly what it intended. You know, I might have gotten to a six month year long relationship with this person before I figured out she wasn't the one. Just because I was so desperate for love and attention at that point. But like, yeah, yeah, we're getting married and it's amazing. Like I'm like having all my family fly in. Like we're spending, oh like $35,000.
- [44:52]
Lyle
Christ. What are you. Why are you spending $35,000 on a wedding?
- [44:57]
Brooks
Dude? It's that expensive. It's like literally it's like seven grand for the venue, eight grand for the catering. Like this, like, it just, it just is that expensive. We went into this like we're gonna spend.
- [45:08]
Lyle
Here's what $20,000. Your. Your whole thing is throwing fucking cheap ass, I assume. I mean, I actually don't know what the finances are of, of these kinds of things, so never mind. But I. Your whole thing is doing like DIY fucking events. I'm surprised. I'm surprised you're spending 35.
- [45:27]
Brooks
We both have day jobs. We both have day jobs. No. And so we are doing, we're doing like the in the church event. Like I come from a super Christian family and this is like my sister never got married. This is kind of like the only wedding for my family. And I don't know, it was just like we're also doing a full on camp out wedding at the property. Like, but.
- [45:51]
Lyle
Oh, I couldn't have, I couldn't have your family there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [45:57]
Brooks
That's cool.
- [45:58]
Lyle
That one wedding One wedding with.
- [46:01]
Brooks
Yeah, exactly.
- [46:02]
Lyle
With wine and crackers and one with ketamine and MDM and non stop music. Yeah, that sounds.
- [46:09]
Brooks
Yeah, exactly. I mean, because I had always said, like, oh, yeah, let's just get married at the property. We'll save that money. We'll buy a house. And, you know, the closer we got to it, it just. You know, the logistics of even just bringing out my family just for the. The. The ceremony, like, because it's in the middle of nowhere. Get him a hotel an hour away. Just like, you know what? Let's just do it. Like, we can buy a house. We can save money. Like, if we can save money for this wedding, we can save money to buy a house. Like, it just. It mattered to us, you know? And so, yeah, I mean, I wish it wasn't as expensive as it was, but, like, the reality is, like, if you want to get a venue and a caterer and this and that, like, it's just, like, once you put the word wedding in front of any expense, it doubles.
- [46:51]
Lyle
I still. I'm not over the super, like, thing. I'm really not, because it's like, you pressed. I really like that. I remember I met a couple. Like, every time I hear stories like this, right? Like, I met a couple once, many years ago in Philly, and I was. Asked them how they met, and they said they met on the train. And I was like, bro, this fucking guy, like, was on his way home from work, and if he. If he stopped to tie his shoes and he got on a different train five minutes later, his whole life would be different. That. That's like. That's, like, scared. That almost makes me feel like, oh, you know, in what situation? Every single situation is like, you know. You know. You know the concept of, like, missing your blessing. Have you heard that?
- [47:43]
Jonah
Mm.
- [47:44]
Lyle
I always wonder. I get, like. I get, like, stressed out about that sometimes. I'm like, oh, and what situations have I been and where I miss, Missed my blessing and actually moves linearly.
- [47:56]
Brooks
Like, you can't. It doesn't work in this whole, like. Like the whole idea. Like, oh, every. Every decision you didn't make or made or thought about making branches off into another reality. But, like, time only moves in one line, you know?
- [48:08]
Lyle
Like, yes.
- [48:09]
Brooks
So, like, you're just gonna get. You're gonna get what you get. And. Yeah, I could have super, like, the girl one before or one after her when I was swiping, like, could have been a, you know, a hot blonde bimbo with fat tits, and I would have been like, oh, super. Like that. Like, you know, like. But no, I waited, and I saw someone at Burning man, and I was like, that's someone I actually super. Like.
- [48:30]
Lyle
Um. It's. Yeah. Okay. So I was talking earlier about, like. Like. Like, intrusive thoughts come in and, like, you challenge them. And what you just said made a lot of sense because, yeah, I'll get, like, weirdly stressed about when I hear about shit like that is like, oh, am I supposed to be in the. On a. On a train right now? Or whatever the fuck, and, you know, wondering if, like, how. Because I think a lot of people are obsessed with, like, making, like, the right choices, you know, and then you kind of realize that. Exactly. Time only does move in one direction, and you can't stress yourself out about the possibility of alternative realities because you just. You just don't know. And also, I. I also am. I mean, me. Me personally, like, my life. I. I had a random fucking idea to buy a gecko costume in, like, 2019 when I. No, this is before our pan. I made, like. Yeah, I just made this random YouTube video that I took off my channel. I made this random YouTube video where I'm wearing this costume. And so that's the reason I had the costume. And when I bought the costume, I didn't know that it would lead to this crazy thing. I didn't know. And so that's a blessing that I had. And I think, to me, there's a lot of. Think to stress out about whatever potential blessings you missed is not the thing to focus on. It's. You know, I'm happy for blessings I did have or curses that I missed. You know, I mean, God, how many fucking random times are people in a wrong situation where they, you know, die or some shit, you know, you never know. You have to surrender. I think at a certain point, you have to surrender yourself. Like. Like, have a little bit of. Like, this is the whole determinism versus free will shit. Like, you know, have free will when you want, but, like, you got to surrender to a little bit of life's determinism.
- [50:46]
Brooks
Yeah, I mean, like, when I was thinking about leaving Texas, like, I had a million red flags going off in my head, like, you know, like, what if she's not the one? What if this goes south? What if this becomes a weird love triangle situation? And, like, well, the answer is, what if all those things are true? But by taking that initial leap of faith, you still find yourself with your people and with your soulmate. And, like, the happiest I could have Never been this happy. If I had stayed where I was, like, I truly believe that I would maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Like, who knows? I could have gone down a path of, you know, I was drinking a ton. Like drug addiction, God knows what, you know, If I had decided to break up with her and go back to being single in my late 20s, like, who knows what kind of shit I could have got into. Like, I mean, shit, I probably would have just got arrested for smoking weed. Like I already had twice, you know, who would have been in jail for smoking a weed in Texas?
- [51:44]
Lyle
I. Yeah, it is cool that. I think in general, life tends to reward putting yourself out there in some way, shape or form.
- [51:59]
Marcos
Yeah.
- [51:59]
Brooks
Because you gotta get. I was too comfortable. Like I, I get to. I get comfortable too easy. Like I had just, you know, I had lived in one town until I was 18 and then in a college town for another eight years even after I dropped out, because I was comfortable there. Like I had friends, I was a dj, like. But yeah, you gotta, you gotta. I don't know, like I, I would have never seen myself doing that before, but I did it. It was amazing.
- [52:29]
Lyle
Wow. Are you gonna DJ at your own wedding?
- [52:32]
Brooks
Yeah, just for a little bit. Well, actually I'm gonna pre record all of the music for like the, like when you get sad and like during the cocktail hour and like the dinner and stuff. So I will be DJing like my entire wedding, but I won't have to do anything. Gonna be all pre recorded.
- [52:51]
Lyle
Okay, that's pretty sweet. And then your own mix for the wedding?
- [52:55]
Brooks
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [52:56]
Lyle
That's sick.
- [52:59]
Brooks
Yeah, cuz I don't trust anyone else DJ for my own wedding. But then so like after that like all of our wedding party is also DJs. So like I'm gonna DJ for 30 and then like best man and then groomsmen and bridesmaid, like all like. So all the wedding party is gonna DJ for the dance party portion of the event.
- [53:16]
Lyle
Do you have your name as like the headline? Like, are you. You're headlining your wedding?
- [53:22]
Brooks
Yeah, something like that, I guess.
- [53:24]
Lyle
Can you tell me your name? For the fifth time?
- [53:27]
Brooks
Brooks. I'm going by Brooks for this call because I feel like. I don't know. It's pretty.
- [53:31]
Lyle
I knew it was a B. I knew it was a B. Yeah, Brooks, I'm gonna. I'll ask the chat if they have any questions. If, if.
- [53:39]
Brooks
Yeah, yeah, go for it.
- [53:40]
Lyle
Does the chat have any questions for Brooks? We'll do a couple of questions here.
- [53:50]
Brooks
Be about Ketamine. Or it'll be about Burning Man.
- [53:52]
Lyle
Let's. Or it might just be about something random. So, and so what's your. Oh, yeah. What type of music do you play?
- [54:01]
Brooks
House music.
- [54:02]
Lyle
House music.
- [54:03]
Brooks
I like funky, like, classic sounding house music, but like the newer, like tech house kind. I don't know.
- [54:11]
Lyle
Someone said, why do you get sad during a wedding?
- [54:19]
Brooks
I think. I don't know, I put people crying during weddings or just actually getting sad during a wedding. I mean, I've never gotten sad during a wedding. I think maybe if you're alone, you might get sad at a wedding, but I don't know. I think that person's asked themselves why they get. They get sad at weddings.
- [54:37]
Lyle
Whoa. Well, I thought. Well, I think they said that because you mentioned you said the word sad. But anyway, who cares? Who cares? Who cares? All right. Was your music impacted in any way when you entered a relationship?
- [54:52]
Brooks
Ooh, that's a good question. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. So she. Her music was actually more impacted than mine, I would say, because, like, I was a part of this house music collective. We've been throwing these events and she was kind of a part of like the. The. The like underground music scene is usually divided between like, bass music and house music or like house of techno. And so she came was coming from the bass music side of things, where her ex was like a DJ in the local scene, and now she was like coming over to the, like, to the light side. In my opinion. You know, there's like the dark side of the force. And bass music's very like, dark and brooding and like, house music's very like, fun and playful. So. So she had to make a really big transition from going to, like, being deep in this bass music scene to being in this house music scene, which is totally different for her. But as far as the way she's impacted me, I mean, she, you know, she will play music that I wouldn't play. Like, if I'm like playing music, I'm gonna play like house music. I'm gonna be like, digging and looking for new tracks. But she will play like indie music and electronica and stuff that's like, you know, stuff that I wouldn't normally think about playing in a DJ set. But then, like, I hear it and it's like, oh, this would be really cool if I mixed it in this way or a part of like a, you know, like a set that was like more down tempo and chill. And then like, then from there I'll look for new artists that are kind of like tailoring into that vibe. And I'm finding like a whole new different vein of music and it's like a whole new genre. Like I'm like now I'm into like 100 bpm slow mo house with like hip hop vocals and like indie influences and stuff.
- [56:24]
Lyle
Man, I just like doing, doing the MDMA and looking at the colors. I, I. When anytime people talk about like electronic music, I know it has like 80 million genres. I feel like I'm not, my ear isn't trained enough to hear all the, hear all the different types.
- [56:46]
Brooks
But, but it's the vibes like, I guess like so like with like the house music scene like in Burning man or like Desert Hearts or stuff like that on the west coast, like it's just like house music is just more like an up tempo, like four on the floor, like boom, boom, boom, boom, like steady like dance beat groove. Which is like people play it at Burning man because like you're just, you're just kind of like going for days and days on end. It just kind of becomes this like heartbeat and this like walking tempo. Whereas like bass music is very much like you show up and the headliner gets on and he's like, put your hands in here. He's like. And you know, you like do that and you thrash around in a mosh pit for a few hours, but then like your drugs wear off and you go past that in a tent. Whereas like the house music people are up at sunrise like still just kind of thumping along like.
- [57:37]
Lyle
Brooks.
- [57:39]
Brooks
Yeah.
- [57:40]
Lyle
It was a pleasure talking to you, man.
- [57:43]
Brooks
Yeah, man, I've been calling for a while. I've been listening, as you could tell for a while. Like mad respect to you and your show. I hope, I hope if you ever tour, you make a stop in Reno.
- [57:55]
Lyle
Bro, let me know. I don't know, I don't know what my life schedule, whatever the is like, but next time you're having one of these, one of these things, let me know if I'm in the area. Maybe I'll come.
- [58:11]
Brooks
Yeah, man. So shoot you an email or what?
- [58:15]
Lyle
Instagram. Instagram dm. So I check that or an email.
- [58:18]
Brooks
I'll send you a dm. Yeah, I'll send you a DM right now.
- [58:21]
Lyle
Yeah, yeah, man.
- [58:23]
Brooks
Cuz if, and same goes for you, like if you want to go to Burning man or you want to try out like a West coast house music festival or just something to shake it up because like, you know, you're getting to the age where the EDM shit's not gonna. It's gonna not. It's not gonna do it for you anymore. You know, you're gonna start wanting to branch out into more mature genres of music. And I don't know, it's also just like.
- [58:46]
Lyle
I don't know if it ever did do anything for me.
- [58:48]
Brooks
Maybe not the music, but, like, the. The people. I don't know. Like, you want to, like, because, like, the. The EDM festivals, it's always going to be, like, 18 to 25. And, yeah, there's going to be older people there, but that's going to be, like, the majority of it. Like, once you start getting into your late 20s, early 30s, like, your whole vibe changes, and it's nice to be around that same vibe, in my opinion.
- [59:09]
Lyle
So, Brooks, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
- [59:15]
Brooks
Oh, man, I should have thought about this. You always think about it when you're.
- [59:18]
Lyle
Listening, but when you get here, no, whatever's in your. People always say that. People are always like, oh, I didn't have anything. Just whatever's in your gut. You don't know.
- [59:24]
Brooks
I mean, just. Just take the plunge. Shoot the super. Like, move across the country, Go to Burning Man. Like, just do it. Because you don't know what. You don't know what's going to come out of it. Like, it could change your life. It could be a terrible experience. Could be both.
- [59:40]
Lyle
We are going to sell, so. We're going to sell so many super likes with this podcast. I'm very.
- [59:47]
Brooks
I hope we sell at least a couple Burning man tickets, though. I'm. Yeah.
- [59:52]
Lyle
Brooks, congratulations on. On a beautiful life, man. And thank you for. Thank you for this session of mentoring me. You're the mentor now. Take care, Brooks. Have a good day.
- [60:06]
Brooks
You keep it up. Lyle, man, you're the best.
- [60:07]
Lyle
Thank you, man. Take care. I liked that guy. That was a good. That was a good phone call. Yeah. I love those. I love those music festivals, man. I love getting to chat with people, Adam. I haven't been in a while, but they're fun. They attract a cool energy. Yeah. I was asking. I was curious with Brooks about, like, being 35, because it's like, you kind of. I think when you're growing up, you have this, like, idea of, like, what adulthood is supposed to look like. And then as you get older and as you get to. If, you know, meeting more people and see more things, you kind of realize that there is really no way in which you are forced to subscribe to life, which Is an interesting. It's an interesting thing to think about. Drugs, sex, violence, porn, Nintendo. Okay. Hey, folks. This episode is sponsored by ChatGPT Finals. Got you cramming, stressing, or freaking out. ChatGPT has got your back. From now through May, ChatGPT plus is free. So there are no limits on all the amazing ways you can ask ChatGPT to help you get things done. It can make a multiple choice quiz from your organic chem notes, visualize the global supply chain as anime, give you some easy ways to get over writer's block and create a festival schedule for Paris for whenever finals are over. ChatGPT plus free for college students now through May. Restrictions apply.
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Jonah
Hello?
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Lyle
Hey, what's up, man?
- [61:56]
Jonah
Nothing much. How are you?
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Lyle
I'm doing good, dude. So you. So I get texts. Sometimes people text me with stuff and. And if I find it interesting, I'll call them back. And I saw that you. You texted me that you were the. You were one of the people that I brought up on stage at my show in London.
- [62:25]
Brooks
Yeah.
- [62:25]
Lyle
And I remember your story and I remember that moment and it was so. It was so cool. Yeah, I mean, it was. It was. It's. So I just. I wanted to call you. Call you back and chat with you about it. What. What's your. What's your name, by the way?
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Jonah
I'm Jonah.
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Lyle
Jonah.
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Jonah
Yeah. Yeah. I was the last guy that came on stage and you said that we only had time for like one or two more. I feel like I overstayed my welcome. But I read a note out to the crowd about a letter that I wrote to my mother that passed when I was 17, and no one had ever heard that note before, so it was weirdly freeing reading that on stage because it's just a bunch of strangers. I see why people call into this show. It's just. Just being able to put it out there. But not having anyone be able to come back to you. Your anonymity is just so nice.
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Lyle
Mm.
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Brooks
Mm.
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Lyle
Yeah, I remember. Yeah. When you came on stage and you read that letter. It was. I don't. I. Well, I. First of all, I really appreciate the vulnerability that requires to do that. And I just. I thought it was so. Was just really cool, like watching you have the vulnerability to do that and then like really feeling the crowd, like all. It was like this like, like, like group therapy moment where everyone was like on board and. And in the room and it was. No, it was. It was a really cool moment. That was one of my favorite. Yeah. Watching you read that letter Was one of my favorite moments of that whole tour.
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Jonah
Oh, that's great to hear, man. It felt amazing doing it because we went from such a good. You do an amazing comedy show by the way. We went from such a good, good bit of stand up and stuff and two amazing stories before me to then I spoke a little bit beforehand and just said if you want me to read out this letter. I mean suddenly it felt like you could feel hear a pin drop in that room. Like it was like dead silence for just that five, ten minutes. I read that out and then we were straight back into afterwards with the questions and everyone's back to laughing. It was great. It was so nice.
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Lyle
Tell me. Yeah. How did the crowd react like, like when you got off? I always, I always wonder this with. I always ask people this if I get the chance to. If it's like somebody who I've brought up on stage. Have you like when you got off stage, did a lot of people come up to you afterwards and talk to you about it?
- [65:18]
Jonah
Well, as I was coming off stage it was like one high fiving and people dapped me up and stuff. But afterwards when we were queuing up to see you, I was near the front but a couple people caught me on the way as I was coming up to you and they would just love to say they loved hearing a story and it's just anyone. There was one guy that I remember that he said he related to it quite a bit because he had a friend that had passed away and he was just asking like how did I move on from the deaf and what's the best approach I did to get away from it. So it's great to hear different perspectives on stuff because obviously I lost my mother not young, but not terribly young at 17. But to have it like that, especially since I was in. I was very fortunate to grow up in what I would call a very secure household. To then have that ripped away from me, especially since it was a sudden death. There was no, no cause leading up to it. Just having to deal with that on pretty much on my own it feels like because I have three older brothers and a father. So we're an all boys household now. But they have their girlfriends or wives and as much as I could go to them for support, being 17, it's hard to be a hormonal teenager and then reaching out to people because I don't think I'd ever really done that at any point. Especially since during that time I started using drugs a little bit. So I started to latch onto that a little bit more. And it was just trying to be able to get. It was trying to stop doing the drugs whilst also trying to mourn my mother in a proper way rather than getting high, just to be able to get through it.
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Lyle
What. I'm that guy who asked you for advice. What did you say to him?
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Jonah
I just said as much as I've just talked about. Like, hard to reach out is just surrounding yourself and people. Yeah. This feeling of being alone and then it's being lonely. Being alone is when you're in your room by yourself and then feeling lonely. You can be in a crowd of people feeling lonely. If you're able to sit in a crowd of people and just interact with one or two of them, then it just makes you feel so much better. During that time, I was able to just reach out to the closest people I knew and ignore the ones that are a bit farther out. And those are the ones that really helped me. I'd say my friends helped me more than my family. Not anything against them, it's just more. I didn't choose to reach out to my family at that time and my friends are the ones that kept me locked down.
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Lyle
Yeah, I mean, that's just the fucking. The meaning of life, I think. How are you doing now, man? What do you. What do you. What have you been up to? I. I'm trying to remember because I. I'm sure I asked you about like. Like what's going on in your life nowadays or like what you're studying or working on or anything like that.
- [68:29]
Jonah
I just. I kind of briefly rushed past it when you asked me beforehand. I'm an apprentice now. It's four years since her death and I just work for a company that works on roads, just doing analytics for them. And I'm trying to get a career in data science. So was looking up and I just hope that my mom will be happy with where I am. But speaking of, we've actually got a charity event for coming up, so it's just looking forward towards that because it would have been her 60th birthday this month.
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Lyle
You have. What's the charity event?
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Jonah
We're doing an event with her. Any of her friends that want to come along or friend of friends. And we're trying to just raise money for the British Heart foundation because that's. She died of a cardiac arrest and it's just a nice little thing to do to get people together really.
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Lyle
What is the. Oh, you said the British. Did you say art foundation or heart foundation?
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Jonah
Heart.
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Lyle
Okay. What Kind of. What are you guys doing for the event?
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Jonah
It's just like a little meet up, doing some quizzes, eating food, just chatting to people. Probably a lot of people that I wouldn't have seen in forever because it's mom's friends.
- [69:47]
Lyle
How is your like social life and everything? Are you like all like you said that your friends helped you out the most. Are you still hanging out with those folks a lot?
- [69:57]
Jonah
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. So I kind of have like my closest friends and they've been my closest friends for years now, probably nearly coming on a decade or so. And they've just always been there for thinking fin they're the ones that are always going to help. Even when I, I wouldn't ask for any help. They'd just be the ones be able to check up on me. Like you said, it's the meaning of life, interaction with people. Even if you don't want it is. It's what's going to get you through the day, isn't it?
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Lyle
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because that's how we, I mean, yeah, that's how we like we used to live in tribes and shit, you know.
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Jonah
I mean, absolutely, man. What, what sort of tribe would you want to live in?
- [70:45]
Lyle
What sort of tribe would I want to live in? Probably one that does cannibalism as, as a, as like a religious ritual. Because you know, I've always wanted to eat human flesh and this would give me an excuse to do it. I don't know why I said that.
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Jonah
What do you think it would taste like? I think it would taste like.
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Lyle
I actually think human flesh would taste, I mean probably good, right? I mean like all you could take any meat really. You could take like the meat of any living thing and grill it or fry it and put sauce on it and it'll taste good. Like fried human with barbecue sauce would probably be delicious.
- [71:41]
Jonah
See when you say pretty good, but I imagine something like a snake would not taste good be gaming as fuck, wouldn't it?
- [71:48]
Lyle
Yeah, it would probably be gamey. But again, but again if you fried it and you, you fucking cauliflower, you fry it and put it in barbecue sauce, it's tastes great.
- [71:55]
Brooks
Sure.
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Jonah
You fry anything, put in barbecue sauce, it'll be great.
- [71:59]
Lyle
Imagine you're, you're, you're in England. How about a human and chips? That could be good.
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Jonah
See now, now you're, now you're put putting a good, good meal together.
- [72:12]
Lyle
That would be good. That would be good eating a guy with.
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Jonah
Would it?
- [72:24]
Lyle
Probably. I mean if you, if you gave Me, fried human. And you told me it was like chicken. Chicken, yeah. If you told me it was chicken, I'd probably be like, this is pretty good.
- [72:39]
Jonah
Giving compliments to the chef. Jail.
- [72:43]
Lyle
How are you? Do you feel good about life these days?
- [72:47]
Jonah
I feel pretty good. I'm very positive about life recently. I think it's just because I'm out the shit part of it. So. Yeah, I mean, I've only just turned 21, so it's probably only gonna get worse.
- [73:00]
Lyle
No, no, no. Well, you're a fucking. I don't know. I just remember when you came on stage, like, I just. I really liked I. This sound. This is like a pop word. But I'm gonna say I liked your aura. I liked your vibe. You had it. I really do. I really feel like you, you have whatever the thing is that is required to get through life without going insane. I know that is a observation that I have made. Really not knowing you at all. 0%. But if. If just out of an impression of the amount of. What if you forced me at gunpoint to come up with an impression of you from the brief amount of time we spent together. That was. That was my impression.
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Jonah
Great for you to say that. I was so fucking nervous coming up on stage. I did not expect you to bring me up.
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Lyle
But it was, again, it was such a great moment and it was because who else was on that show? We had that girl who talked about how she just had a. Her first threesome.
- [74:11]
Jonah
She had a free to freeze him within an hour of the show.
- [74:15]
Lyle
Yeah, yeah, she had. She like took an Uber from an orgy to come to the show.
- [74:20]
Jonah
Living the life.
- [74:22]
Lyle
And then. Oh, the guy who.
- [74:28]
Jonah
Like couldn't move out of his parents house.
- [74:30]
Lyle
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I remember that.
- [74:32]
Jonah
Even though he had. He could have done it.
- [74:34]
Lyle
That was such a great show. I had an awesome time doing that.
- [74:39]
Jonah
Such a good time.
- [74:41]
Lyle
What's your name again, man?
- [74:43]
Jonah
Jonah.
- [74:44]
Lyle
Jonah. Jonah. I'm glad this is cool. I'm glad we get to talk. I'm glad. I always like being able to talk to folks who I met on. On. You know, it's funny is that at the shows I'll like meet people and I'm like, oh shit, we talked on the phone and now I'm on the phone with you and I'm like, oh shit, we talked at the show.
- [75:06]
Jonah
Yeah, man, it's great. It's great to be able to actually catch a stream for once because it's kind of hard to line up the times UK and work and stuff sometimes.
- [75:16]
Lyle
Jonah, is there anything else you want to say to the people, the computer, before we go?
- [75:23]
Jonah
If life does really seem shit for some people, you can always drag yourself out of it. You just have to be happy in the present as much as you can. Just know that eventually you'll be able to get out of it.
- [75:37]
Lyle
Jonah, keep on rocking in the free world. Is England free? Are you guys. Can you guys do stuff he's doing.
- [75:46]
Jonah
Don't look into our politics. Don't, don't. Don't look into our politics.
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Lyle
Thank you.
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Brooks
See you, man.
- [75:52]
Lyle
Have a good one. I really, I do. I'm not bullshitting. I. I don't want it to be like, oh, he says, cuz here's like, I don't say that to everyone. And if you listen to the show, you know, I don't say that to everyone. There are definitely people who hang up the phone after I'm talking to them, and I'm like, I'm a little. I don't know if. I don't know if they're gonna be okay, but there's a lot of people who. I hang up the phone, I'm like, they're gonna be fine. They have resilience. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
- [76:33]
Marcos
Hello?
- [76:33]
Lyle
Hello?
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Brooks
Hey.
- [76:35]
Lyle
Hey, what's up?
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Marcos
God damn, I can't believe I'm on.
- [76:38]
Lyle
How's it going?
- [76:40]
Marcos
Good, good, good. You know, nothing better than talking to a man on a gecko suit on the Internet.
- [76:46]
Lyle
Oh, there's so many things better. Have you ever so. Have you ever tried heroin? I bet heroin feels awesome.
- [76:54]
Marcos
No, I've never tried here, at a.
- [76:56]
Lyle
Fancy restaurant, you could have sex, you could go to Peru. There's a lot of thing. I mean, this is good. I'm enjoying that we're having a conversation, but I don't know if it's. I don't know if there's nothing better. Maybe, you know, maybe you're right. Maybe there's nothing better than connecting with people.
- [77:19]
Marcos
I mean, I was studying before this and, you know, this is definitely better than studying.
- [77:24]
Lyle
What are you studying for?
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Marcos
So I'm gonna give you a brief history of my life story. I guess. I went to a technical college to become a mechanic. That took two years. And then I worked as a mechanic for two years, and then it didn't pay as much as I hoped it would. So I found this other job at a manufacturing company, and it pays more. But if I want to advance my career there, I have to get a degree in. What's it called? Robotics. So that's What I'm currently pursuing right now, studying robotics.
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Lyle
That's great. That's awesome. You're gonna. Because that's gonna be useful. How old are you?
- [78:15]
Marcos
20. 26.
- [78:17]
Lyle
Oh, 26. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's gonna be useful because when. When we're in our 50s. Oh, my God, man. Oh, my God. We're gonna be like, they're gonna be able to create very lifelike human robots. Imagine what AI is gonna be like in, like, 25 fucking years, man. It's gonna be super advanced. They're gonna put it into lifelike bodies, and we're not gonna be able to. We're gonna be living among robots. And so I feel like we're gonna have a job. Yeah, you'll probably have a job.
- [78:53]
Marcos
I feel like in 50 years, we're gonna end up like those people in Wally that just sit in their seats the whole time.
- [79:03]
Lyle
We're. We're a little bit like that already. We're a little bit like.
- [79:11]
Marcos
Yeah, we are. If you think about it, we can have everything delivered to us.
- [79:16]
Lyle
I was watching. I saw some shit on Twitter of, like, Mark. Mark Zuckerberg was talking about how he. His whole thing are. Is like, these. These AR glasses, and everyone's gonna be wearing these glasses that are going to project the digital world into the real world via a. Oh, that'd be cool. No, it wouldn't. What do you mean? That would be cool? That would be horrible. You think that would be cool? You think that would be cool?
- [79:52]
Marcos
Okay. Okay. It would help me dramatically with working out because instead of lifting, you know, weight, imagine, like, I can imagine myself lifting a car off a family of four. I'd be like this.
- [80:08]
Lyle
What's your name again? Mark? Marcus. Marco.
- [80:11]
Marcos
Marcos.
- [80:12]
Lyle
Marcos. Marcus. I'm going to tell you what's going on in my brain right now is okay. I was so. I was about to go on a rant about how I think. When I heard him say that, I was like, I think there's some form of a revolution going on, like, in where, like, I think people are slowly, even young people. But this might just be an optimistic anecdote, but I was feeling optimistic, and I was like, I think young people and people around the world are waking up a little bit to how much technology is negatively impacting a lot of aspects of their life and making active efforts to cut down and making active efforts to reject forms of technology that are getting slowly more and more invasive and requiring you to wear your phone on your wrist or on your eyes. And I was really Feeling confident about that optimistic point of view. And then you immediately said that Mark Zuckerberg's goggles would be cool. And I was like, oh, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. We're all, we're all fucked. Whatever. I'm gonna go wear them. I'm gonna wear them right now. And we're all getting the chips in our head. I'm fucking wrong. I was trying to be optimistic. I really thought that we were in some kind of, like, I really, I don't know. That's why I was trying to be optimistic. And I'm like, we're in some kind of renaissance thing where people are going to reject a lot of this shit. But I don't know if that's the. I think I might just be being naively optimistic and, and it's going to be embraced whether we fucking like it or not. Just like, you know, phones, I mean.
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Marcos
Only, only time will tell to be honest.
- [82:14]
Lyle
But. But people don't. Do people really want to fucking wear this shit? A. First of all, a. I think we're getting to a point economically where like, who's gonna be able to afford this? Unless. Yeah, well, well, unless of it. Unless if it starts getting. Cuz like everyone has a phone. Like you could be, you know, people, people living on the streets have phones. Like, everyone has a phone. If the technology becomes X right now, it's not. It's like the Vision Pro, whatever the fuck was, $3,500, but if it becomes accessible to the point where, you know, everyone can just get. Have everyone just has these goggles in the way that everyone has the phone, then maybe. But right now I, I think people have been trying to get folks to wear shit on their heads for a while and it hasn't caught on to the mainstream. Hopefully it hasn't caught on to the mainstream because we have something innately in our biology that makes us not want to fucking do that. But who? Mark Zuckerberg is in his laboratory figuring out what that thing is in our biology that makes us not want to do that. And he's figuring out how to fucking shatter that shit. Make it so that we're all wearing this stuff.
- [83:34]
Marcos
The closest that we have to that right now is our VR headsets.
- [83:39]
Lyle
Yeah, but no, but like, but the VR headsets have not achieved mainstream adoption.
- [83:48]
Marcos
Oh no, they have not.
- [83:49]
Lyle
They have not in the way that phones are. And I, I mean, AI is. Has achieved mainstream adoption. You know, my dad is using it and everyone's using it, but I don't think that we're gonna be. I don't know when we're gonna be wearing shit. I don't know if we ever will be wearing shit. I hate the I fucking. I hate the Apple Watch I and the Fitbit. It's like, I don't wanna. I I People who wear that shit. I, I don't get it. Why would you want your phone? Like, your phone, like, it's like it takes such little. There's such little barrier between your phone and your face already. It's like you have to pull it out of your pocket. It's like having the w. Like removing even that barrier is fucking crazy to me. Where it's like your phone is just always. It's not even in your pocket anymore. It's just a glance away. It's weird. I don't get. I don't. People, I don't. I don't like it. I don't like it. Do you have an Apple watch? Do you have that shit?
- [84:59]
Marcos
I haven't used a Apple product since the first iPad also.
- [85:04]
Lyle
It's gonna be really fun. It's gonna be really funny because one day I'm gonna be doing like an ad read for a fucking Apple Watch or some shit like that, and I'll be like, you know what? It was actually pretty cool. But you don't use app. What do you use? You. Are you like a Macintosh?
- [85:21]
Marcos
I use Samsung.
- [85:23]
Lyle
You're Samsung guy?
- [85:24]
Marcos
Yeah, I'm Sam.
- [85:25]
Lyle
I meant to say. I meant to Microsoft, your Samsung guy. Okay. How's that going for you?
- [85:31]
Marcos
I like it. Yeah, I really like it. It's, you know, the features on the, on the phones are easy to use and that, that's what really matters. Right.
- [85:41]
Lyle
If you're an Apple person and you try to use like an Android, you'll be like, this is disgusting. This is not. It might as well be like in Chinese, the whole phone, because it just feels wild. It's different. Yeah. I mean, do you get that feeling when you use the iPhone?
- [86:05]
Marcos
When I use an iPhone, I don't know if you noticed about Samsung, but you know how they have the universal back button.
- [86:12]
Lyle
I don't know anything about Samsung.
- [86:16]
Marcos
On the Samsung, there's a back button to go back to the previous page or whatever that you were on. And I hate that iPhones don't have that.
- [86:29]
Lyle
We have.
- [86:30]
Marcos
Because not to look for like an arrow on the button on the screen to go back to my previous page or whatever.
- [86:37]
Lyle
We have, we have a little bit more. We have a sophisticated system where you gently swipe up a little bit. Then you go back and it'll take you back to, like, whatever app you were using before. Like, the little carousel shit. Oh, but you wouldn't know because you got a Samsung.
- [86:56]
Marcos
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's been a while since I've used an Apple product.
- [87:02]
Lyle
I do love Apple. I like their shit. It is weird how I like it. It's fucked up to think about how many tools I have in my life that didn't exist for the entirety of history. It's like. It's very sad. It's very trippy to think about when you. When you. When you really think about, like, the fuck, the iPhone, all this. Like, everyone having a phone is, like, not even 20 years old. It's like. Like 2008 maybe, or seven or the GPS. Yeah. People, like, I remember my parents were like, print out MapQuest or like, we had.
- [87:49]
Marcos
Yeah, I remember that too.
- [87:51]
Lyle
People lived like that. How did, like, like, how do you even. How do you, like, meet up with people in, like, the 90s? How do people do that?
- [88:00]
Marcos
I think it's crazy. Like, what if you just went to Walmart and then your friends spontaneous called you up and told you, hey, meet me at this new restaurant that this. That is opened up, but you have no idea how the. To get there.
- [88:15]
Lyle
You have no idea how the to get there.
- [88:17]
Marcos
You have no phone to look up. How you know the directions.
- [88:22]
Lyle
I don't know how they did it, but they did it. And it's not like, you know, the people who did that, they're not like 80 years old. They're like in their 40s.
- [88:32]
Marcos
Yeah.
- [88:35]
Lyle
I. It's weird not remembering what that was like or not really, because I had a. When did I get a cell phone? I got cell phone in 2000. I got an iPhone in 2008, and I was like, 10. Yeah, I was 10 when I got an iPhone. 10 or 11. Fucking. There was this Metal Gear Solid game on it, and there was Dual Jump, and there was.
- [89:01]
Marcos
I remember Dual Jump.
- [89:02]
Lyle
Yeah. Oh, my God. I played all sorts of those mobile games. Marcos?
- [89:11]
Marcos
Yeah.
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Lyle
How you doing?
- [89:14]
Brooks
Good.
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Marcos
Good, Good, good. Yeah.
- [89:18]
Lyle
Okay, before we go, are you optimistic about the future of society?
- [89:29]
Marcos
Don't want to get too political, but as long as capitalism is still a thing in this world, I'm not optimistic.
- [89:46]
Lyle
Yeah, probably. Probably. Probably. But hey, we can always. We can always look at. We can always look at funny pictures on the computer.
- [90:07]
Marcos
Yeah, we can. We can always cope.
- [90:09]
Lyle
We can always go, there will. Here's, here's, here's, here's an optimistic framing is if the world goes to shit, there will always be some form of cope that we'll have to look forward to. You know, a candy bar you found on the ground or.
- [90:28]
Marcos
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that. I can see that.
- [90:31]
Lyle
Yeah. So. So we'll either have prosperity to look forward to or cope to look forward to. Marcos, is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
- [90:47]
Marcos
You know, unlike the other guy, actually did have something in. In mind to say when you asked me this question.
- [90:52]
Lyle
Go ahead.
- [90:53]
Marcos
For the people that have trouble, trouble motivating themselves to, to work out, give yourself a goal like run the marathon or enter in the weightlifting competition. Essentially that it'll have you, you know, work towards something instead of going to the gym. Goal is.
- [91:18]
Lyle
Continue to get shredded or I'm gonna assume you're shredded. I'm imagining you. I'm imagining what you look like. I'm imagining you.
- [91:25]
Marcos
I, I am, I am not shredded at all. I'm. I'm five nine and I weigh 240 pounds.
- [91:33]
Lyle
And what do you squat?
- [91:36]
Marcos
I don't know how much I squat. I mean, I'm currently, you know, training for a marathon.
- [91:41]
Lyle
Oh, wait, hold on. The last guy, okay, remember on the last podcast that guy talked to. I don't know if you listen to the podcast, but okay, on the last episode, the guy, there was a guy, there was a caller who called it. He said, he said he was like 5, 8 and 145 pounds and he said he squatted 540 pounds. Do you remember? Were you there for that?
- [92:07]
Marcos
No, I was not.
- [92:13]
Lyle
Okay, hold on. He, he emailed me. He emailed.
- [92:21]
Marcos
What's the average weight that someone can squat?
- [92:24]
Lyle
Okay, he email. Hold on. He emailed me and he sent me a video and I'm going to watch it right now. I haven't watched this video. What's the average squat? Okay, hold on, let me watch this video. Let me see if this is real. Okay, he's doing. Okay, that's not a squat. Okay, he's not. This guy's lying. He's not doing squat. He is. What's 45 times four? No, 45 times eight. What's 45 times eight? 45 times eight. Let's see. 360. Hold on. This guy is. This video. This dude is. He's leg press. He's not squatting. His leg pressing 360 pounds. Why did he tell me that's a lot? It's a lot. Yeah. By the way I'm gonna say it's a lot. He is. He is leg pressing a lot. To leg press £360 is a lot. But I don't know why he lied and said that he squats £540.
- [93:44]
Marcos
Yeah, I don't know why either.
- [93:45]
Lyle
I don't know why you said. But I. Look, look, Mike. I think his name was Mike. And then why did he send me a video of him not doing the thing he said he was doing? Okay, well, look. What. The leg pressing £360 is impressive, but just. So just say that, Mike. Why you don't. You don't have to make up things. Just say what the real thing is, and it's impressive, too.
- [94:17]
Marcos
Maybe because he wanted to be him.
- [94:20]
Lyle
He wanted to be. He already is him. Everyone. Everyone is already themselves, I guess. Marcos.
- [94:31]
Marcos
Yes.
- [94:32]
Lyle
I'll see you around the universe.
- [94:35]
Marcos
All right. See you around.
- [94:36]
Lyle
Thank you, Marcos.
- [94:38]
Marcos
Run the marathon, Gekko.
- [94:41]
Lyle
No, I'm not gonna do that. I don't like running. I like. I like lifting weights. Lifting weights is fun. I like to lift weights and I like to walk. I don't like to run. I'm not a runner. Folks, thank you for listening to the Therapy Gecko podcast. What an honor. What a joy it is to be alive and be a gecko and talk to people. This was a good episode. We talked to. This is a good episode. I like the formats that we're getting lately where it's like, let's do one long deep dive thing and then one call where we just talk about bullshit. It's fun. I'm enjoying doing this. I hope you're enjoying listening to it. Thanks for entertaining this podcast. Tell your friends, tell your lovers, and I'll get you around. I'll get. I'll get you later. I don't like that. I don't like that we're gonna keep doing podcasts. I'm trying. Like, I'm trying to make them longer when I can. I used to just upload one hour. Now I'm just trying to make them a little longer. Thanks for listening, and see you around the universe. Go do something else with your life. Okay, bye. Thank you. Thank you very much. Hey, folks. This episode is sponsored by ChatGPT. Finals can be a very disorienting time. Your schedule is out of whack and so are your eating habits. But ChatGPT can help. From now through May, ChatGPT plus is free for college students, which means you have unlimited opportunities to get yourself and your studying on track. You can ask ChatGPT to create an embroidered illustration of string theory. Show you a visual recipe for whatever late night snack you're craving. Design a workout plan using only the items in your dorm room room. Pretty much anything you can think of. ChatGPT can help you with ChatGPT plus free for college students now through May Restrictions apply.