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Lyle
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Rory
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Nick
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Rory
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Nick
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Jemele Hill
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Roy Wood Jr.
You have to be very careful with tradition because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
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Jemele Hill
I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talk with comedian Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major League Baseball.
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Roy Wood Jr.
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile. But you also need chaos, Negro.
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Jemele Hill
Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Rory
Hello.
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Nick
What's up?
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Rory
Hey, what's up, man? What's your name?
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Nick
I'm Rory. Nice to talk to you, man.
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Rory
This is crazy to talk to you too, man. Have we. We spoken before?
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Nick
No, this is my first time.
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Rory
Kick ass rock and roll. Who are you? Rory.
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Nick
I'm a. I'm a little dude. I'm a little. I don't know, I'm. And this is so crazy. I just did not even think I'd get on the phone. I don't know, man. I'm a guy. I own a lizard. I'm going to a show later. Do you know who Mount Erie is?
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Rory
Mount Eerie?
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Nick
Yeah. It's, like, really weird, like, sad music, and I'm super excited for it.
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Rory
What. What is it about Mount Eerie that appeals to you? What is it about the sad music that appeals to you?
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Nick
I don't know. It's, like, just so intense, and a lot of. It's kind of like. It kind of writes a lot about it. Like, a lot of bullshit, but a lot of it's just, like, so, like, soul crushing that it's just. It's like an experience. I don't know. I've never seen him live, and I'm really excited.
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Rory
Do you find that listening to sad, depressing music makes you feel better or worse? Because it's been. It's a mixed bag.
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Nick
I really. Man, I can talk about this for, like, ever. But I really. I don't know. It's kind of. It kind of just depends. Like, I'm a fan of, like, lots of crazy. Like, I'm a fan of lots of music that's just, like, borderline unlistenable because it's just so intense. I don't know. Like, music is just a thing that. Not to get all, like. I don't know. What's the word? Emotional or whatever about it. But, like, music is just a thing that, like, there's so much opportunity for people to just like, express the craziest. The craziest that you can. That you can't. Otherwise, you know.
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Rory
Yeah, sure.
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Nick
That's totally just like, a normal thing. Anybody can get from that. But, like, listening to, like, sad music is like, if it's done right, it's like. And it connects with you in a way. It's like you can feel things you've never felt or sending with, like, angry music. Like, I love a lot of angry music and. But also happy music, too. Like, I love. I'm a sound guy. And at the. I was working this show the other night with, like, some, like. I don't know, there. It wasn't really, like, punk bands. I guess they're like hard rock bands. But I was playing, like, for the house music between the band. You know, I'm playing, like, stuff like that, and people are yelling and screaming and stuff. But when it was, like, done, I had to put on demiroquai. And sometimes I'll put on just, like. Just like, amazing gospel and funk. And stuff just to like. It's just. I have to clear the air, though, like, if I'm around too much. But I don't know if that makes sense.
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Rory
But what. What is. You said demiroquai. What is that?
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Nick
You know the scene at the end of Napoleon Dynamite where he's dancing?
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Rory
I. Vaguely.
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Nick
Yeah, it's like that. It's like that's. That's the guy that he was dancing to.
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Rory
Hmm. Do. I mean, do you. It's interesting. I was. I remember about a little over a year ago, I was really sad and I woke up one day at like 7 in the morning and it was snowing out, and I walked down this. The street in the snow in New York and I listened to a bunch of Simon and Garfunkel. I listened to the Only Living Boy in New York, which it was. You know, here's the thing, and I want to say this. At the time, it absolutely made me feel more depressed. Listening to the Only Living Boy in New York while being depressed in New York will. It will make you more depressed. But when I look back on the scene of me being depressed, walking through the snow, listening to Only Living Boy in New York, it's got. There's. It's. It is romantic, I would say definitely, like, looking at it from that point of view. But it. I don't know if it made me feel better. Whereas conversely, if I listen. What did I fucking. You know, when you listen to, like, I'm gonna sound like an. When you listen to like upbeat. Like what? Like fucking rap music or like rock or whatever. Like, you feel. You feel good. You feel like, okay, you're alive, something's happening. You know, I've never. I don't know if I actively feel. I feel. I think, yeah, it's sad music. It puts me too, too deep in my emotions, which maybe you don't want to feel all the time, you know.
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Nick
But like, not all the time do I want to listen to like happy upbeat stuff. You know, it's like. It's kind of. I don't know, like, one of my favorite musicians is. Or just songwriters is Elliot Smith. I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he's. That's like a very sad guy. And I'll listen to that stuff when I'm not sad, you know, because he's got.
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Lyle
He was.
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Rory
He was in a band, right.
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Nick
He had a band called Heat Miser.
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Rory
Okay.
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Nick
And then he did his solo stuff after that. He might have some more stuff in between there, but.
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Rory
Yeah, I think I used. There's this comedian Chris Gethard who's talked about Elliot Smith before. Did he. He didn't. He's not in the Cure, is he. Is that a different person?
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Nick
No, that's Robert Smith.
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Rory
Oh, okay. All right.
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Nick
That's a Smith guy.
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Rory
But are you, Are you sad often?
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Nick
I, you know, I used to be like just miserable all the time and. Yeah. And I don't feel as like when I get. When the things come up that like. Or like when a feeling comes up and I feel like how I felt like a couple years ago. I'm like surprised now and it's like kind of crazy.
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Rory
Why are you. Why are you not miserable every day anymore?
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Nick
I had lots of like outside pressures on me for like lots of things. I don't know. Like I was in two relationships that were really terrible. I had. I went to like a weird sort of college prep high school and then I went to this like very prestigious college and couldn't handle it and it was like miserable. And then I was like working as a house painter and that was like, I mean, it's cool. I was like working with my uncle, but it was just like, this sucks. Like, what am I doing? And then, and then I had a lot of like. I think I kind of just like proved to myself that I could like do things for myself and I could like do things that were like self affirming and. And I don't know. And I just kind of. I started like taking better care of myself. And you talked a lot about journaling. I was like journaling. I was writing. I was like making music. I was like making. Making art and not really doing anything with it, but just like having it. And then I got like. I went back to school, I got a degree in something I was interested in and interested in. And then like, I don't know, I just kind of. Now, now I'm. Now I'm like miserable in a way where it's like like, fuck, I'm not doing all the things that like I should be doing that like I want to be doing. And it's like, it's like a different kind of like, it's like a. I was. I saw this thing about like with. With desire comes suffering and I won't. I don't want to say I'm like suffering, but like I have desires and like it's. I'm not like where I want to be. So it's like pissing me off all the time.
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Rory
Yeah. Yeah, I, I'm the same. I'M not where I want to be either. And I also feel desire strongly and. Yeah, yeah, desire. Yeah. Desire is suffering. I think a lot of my suffering is probably due to desire. Like, you look at your life and it's, like, not where you want it to be. And so you're. You're like, making yourself suffer. And I don't know, there's two schools of thought on why. There's probably many schools of thought on it, but, you know, whatever. There's a school of thought of, like, okay, well, then to you. You. Once. You gotta get what you want or you gotta remove the desire or not desire so much. I don't know. I don't know how to deal with that conundrum. That's a conundrum. I'm dealing with myself significantly often. What? Well, but you're less miserable. You're less miserable. What is it. What is it about your life that's making you less miserable?
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Nick
I think I had a lot of change all at once, and it was, like, positive change. And I had a. I mean, this might sound super cheesy and go for it. I know it's kind of weird to, like, share this in front of a bunch of people. I had this, like. I had a breakup that kind of, like, destroyed my sense of self a little bit. And I think that was, like, kind of like the something. I. I needed something to kind of, like, be like, yo, dude, are you kind of, I don't know, need to, like, work on some stuff and. Yeah, and then I went to. I used, like, better help for a little bit, and I was talking to this guy named Zachary who was, like, really amazing, and he really helped me, and he, like, told me, like, the journal, and he told me to have this, like.
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Rory
Disclaimer. I did not pay this guy to call in. Okay, continue.
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Nick
I was gonna say that I didn't mean to, like.
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Rory
No, no, no, no, no. I want to. I actually want to hear. Hear more about this. You get. You got. You talked to a guy and he got you to journal.
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Nick
Yeah, I just had this, like. I met this or didn't meet him. I just. I paid this. That online service to, like. I was just kind of, like, desperate. Like, I didn't know. I'm like. But I randomly, like, got matched with this guy, and we had. He. We had, like, so much in common. It was really weird. And he told me we did a lot of. I don't even, like, really specifically remember, like, what we did for, like, the. We did some, like, cognitive behavioral therapy stuff where like when you get like a. Yeah. When like something like a certain idea or a certain thing you have like comes up, just like immediately try to negate it. And it was like really fucking difficult. But I was going through all that stuff at the same time that I was like, I started school again and I went back to, I went back to college and I went to music school. And then I like, I don't know, now I work in the industry and I'm like, it was just crazy. It was just kind of like for like three years or so I just. Things kept like accumulating and I kept being like, wow, I can do that, I can do that. And of course it was like, I don't know, fucking shit. Things are really fucking hard and you have to like work really hard. And like I'm not anywhere near where I want to be. And like tonight the show that I'm going to, my friend is doing sound for them and my, and their girlfriend got me the job at the venue that all three of us work at. And oh my God, like them too, they're so much better than I am at doing that. It's like. So I'm gonna go there tonight and I'm just gonna try to like, you know, talk to them and see what's like, hey, what are you doing for this? But it's like, yeah, it's really hard. Like everything is always really hard. But like, I just kind of got so sick of like feeling shitty and I don't know, I just pushed. Something just snapped and I pushed myself. And I know that's like easier to say. It's easier to say than to do. But I, I don't know, it just, it kind of like started manifesting and like I'm getting so pissed off that I'm like. I don't know if manifesting is the right word. It turned into just me getting like more pissed off than like anything, more irritable than like, I'm just like upset with myself and I just like couldn't really, I don't know, I just couldn't deal with it anymore, you know?
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Rory
Yeah, I do know. How old are you?
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Nick
I am 28. I just turned, I turned 28 a couple of months ago.
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Rory
Nice. Yeah. Well, that's cool, man. It's cool that you had like, like, I don't know, all this series of self affirming things happen. So therapy worked is what you're saying. It worked for me.
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Nick
That was like. I went to therapy when I was younger. I had a couple different therapists and they were fucking stupid. They were so fucking stupid.
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Rory
So many. Yeah, there's so many fucking stupid therapists out there. Yeah. Keep going.
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Nick
They, like, did not understand, like, what I was trying to talk about. I literally had a therapist fall asleep on me one time, not even kidding. And, yeah, it was just, like, randomly. I was like. It was like one in the morning. I remember I was like, like, full on panic attack, like, I can't do this. I don't know what's going on. And I just was like, I. There's this better help. I don't even know. I don't even know what else I could do. And then I was with that guy for a couple months and it was, like, more expensive than, like, it should have been, but it. That's why I was only with him for a couple months. But, yeah, it was cool.
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Rory
So what. How long ago was it that you were. It was 1am and you were like, I can't do this.
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Nick
I was. It was in September and I was 24, so that was like three and a half years ago or something.
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Rory
Do you feel. And you feel better now than you did then?
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Nick
Yeah, definitely.
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Rory
Cool.
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Nick
I remember I was, like, walking across this bridge all the time to go to classes.
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Rory
Oh, yeah.
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Nick
You know, I mean, I was just like.
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Rory
Yeah.
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Nick
Thinking about it all the time.
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Rory
Yeah. Yeah.
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Nick
But you know what? That shit.
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Rory
Oh, yeah.
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Nick
I mean, yeah.
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Rory
Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. There's. Yet. No. There's so many things to try. I don't know why I'm on this so much. I'm on. I'm. I'm. This is all this. This.
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Lyle
Yeah.
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Rory
Dude, I don't know. There's so many things to try. There's so many things to try. There's so many things. Having.
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Nick
And just in general, man, like, having a childlike sense of wonder is the most important thing because, like. Well, you go ahead with what you were to say. I don't know.
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Rory
Oh, God. Don't ask me. You. What am I trying out lately? All right. Okay. Well, fuck. What am I trying lately? I should. I gotta try more. I gotta try different things. I was. Did I. Oh, God. I can't remember what I've talked about on the podcast already and what I haven't, but I think I might. I think I've said this before, but I'll just say it again. I was in Japan and I was going kind of insane, and I called my friend and I was. I was telling him I was going insane, and he was like, you gotta do stuff. Man, like, me, he was. My friend was like, you know, me and my friends, we go out to trivia every Wednesday. You know, he wasn't. He wasn't being particularly. He's very logistical. He wasn't. He's not a very emotional guy. He was like, me and my friends got the trivia every Wednesday, and you can't kill yourself if you have trivia on Wednesdays.
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Nick
Yeah. You know something? You have said that on the podcast, and I have thought that exact thing like, a bunch of times. Like, it's just. That's such a. It's such a, like, good way to say that you can't kill yourself if you're at trivia.
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Rory
Okay. I have said that on the podcast, and you just need something. You need things to do. I think, what am I trying to do?
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Nick
I got to do the first step, you know?
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Rory
Yeah. I mean, you need things to do. What am I trying. I gotta try more. I gotta. I mean, whatever, man. I'm going, what am I trying? I mean, I'm waking up, you know, I'm fucking. Yeah, I'm trying, you know, trying more things. We gotta. I don't know. This is such a weird thing. This is a weird thing. How this has evolved into. I don't know. Keep going, Rory. What else. What else is. You got advice? You got any. You got any advice for the people, Roy, about. About how to be. How to transcend?
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Nick
Yeah. I mean, well, shit, I don't know. It's kind of just, you know, it's. It's. Yeah, you gotta try stuff. You gotta just do something. I don't know, like, you know, let me. Let me take. Let me take, like, a little bit of a long approach to this, but I'll. I'll make it quick. So you were talking about how, like, the two schools of, like, desire, right? There's like, should I desire more or should I desire less to be happy? And. Yeah, it's kind of like. Yeah. Yesterday I was at my girlfriend's house, and her mom was like, man, I went to the store and I was trying to get spray olive oil, and then also, like, normal olive oil, whatever the actual oil, because she needed to cook. To use it, to cook something with, like, the actual oil. And. And then she was like. And I forgot the spray. I forgot the normal one, so now I just have to spray one. And I was like, holy fuck. Like, my. You know, she's my girlfriend's mom, so she's older than me, and I was like, man, my entire life is just gonna be like, like I'm gonna have to. I just did that shit the other day. I forgot fucking bananas at the grocery store. And the whole point of me going was to get shit for my smoothies in the morning and I forgot the fucking bananas. And I'm just gonna have to do that my whole life. It's just forget stuff at the grocery store, among other things. It's just gonna be this like, awful. Like it, like it, it'll just never stop. And, and, and like you can't like, care about that. You can't like let it like bother you that like life is just kind of gonna be full of like disappointments and frustrations. You just gotta find something cool and like give a about it and give a. About that and like. Yeah, and that's gonna be full of frustrations. I've been in like literally 20 different bands and none of them have got take. Have gotten off the ground. And I have friends of mine who were just playing these like this amazingly large show. They. Two of my friends bands were opening for Jack White in front of 5,400 people or something like that. And there's like all these awesome pictures of them and I'm so happy for them. And I was like, damn. Like, I want to do that so bad. I've wanted to do that for like that for so long. But I kind of. That kind of makes it come back to like the point where it like that sounds sad. I don't mean that in a sad thing. A sad way. I guess for me it's just like an aggressor or like, like I'm going to do that. I don't know. I'm going to do cool shit that I want to do. I don't know. Does that make. Am I just bullshitting? Does that make sense?
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Rory
No, no, no, no, no, no. You're not bullishing at all. You're making, you're making a lot. Well, I'm trying to think about this because I have go. I mean, I went to, you know, I fucking toured around Australia and Europe and did these shows and they were awesome. They were a lot of fun. They were great. But I, you know, I. I'm still. And I still want to do that stuff and I still want to keep doing cool shit and trying my best to do cool shit, but I don't know if playing a show to a bunch of people is like the. It's really cool, you know, I want to keep doing it and it's cool to like be in the moment of whatever it is that you're doing. But I don't know if it's the on and off switch for like being less fucking like miserable all the time. Time. You know, I don't know if it's the, you know, I don't know if being like, like, like being like wildly, wildly successful. I don't know if that's the, the thing.
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Nick
I think it's not what everybody wants to do. Definitely.
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Rory
Well, well I, when I really think about it, the, I think the joy often just like in being in the moment of what you're doing and feeling productive and feeling competent and feeling present. I mean you talked about a childlike sense of wonder. I mean that's because you're present and you know, look, ideally when you're playing a show in front of a billion whatever people, you're present. I've, you know, played shows as the Gecko in front of a bunch of people and you know, I didn't feel like I was performing at my best and I didn't feel good and so I was in my head and I wasn't present and that wasn't fun. But I, you know, then I've had times where I was in front of, you know, I did. I'll do like a fucking stand up comedy open mic in front of you know, 10 people. But I'll feel really present with the fucking jokes and it feels good, you know, so it's just, I think it's about chasing presence more than anything. I mean I feel good right now talking to you because I'm present and sometimes I'm doing this and I'm not feeling that good and it's cuz I'm not present. So that's, I mean that's, I think what is there is to chase, you know, more than like, you know, anything else. But I don't know, I'm also, I'm also talking out of my ass because you know, it's cool to do stuff.
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Nick
No, I think, I think sort of something I forget all the time is like my perspective is like, it's just like stupid like rock band shit. I always just think of stuff as like cool bands and cool music and art and it's like do something. When I was thinking like do something cool. I'm like thinking of like, like start a band. But I, I always, I always like. And I talked to like my cousins and stuff and then like that's just like not. They're not my cousins. I don't know anybody. But it's just like that's like not everybody's. Life. And I have to, like, remember that. So I guess.
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Rory
What. What's up with you? What do you. What do you. What's up with your cousins?
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Nick
Oh, nothing. Not like.
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Rory
Are they just like normies? Like, they have, like a job in an office or something?
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Nick
Not like my cousins in particular, but just like, you know, when you go to, like a family function and like, you start talking about your job or whatever, and they're like, wow, you can make money doing that. That's crazy. And it's like, yeah, that's. That is. You know what I mean? Or just.
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Rory
Yeah, well, that. Yeah, that's all you need sometimes is like, you talk to somebody and then you're like, oh, yeah. All you need is like a little bit of perspective and then it kind of shocks you back.
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Nick
Yeah, perspective.
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Rory
Yeah. No, no. A little. A little bit of perspective will shock you right back into your fucking. A little bit of perspective will make you cling to your goddamn life. A little bit. A little bit of perspective will make you go, why the fuck would I kill myself? Oh, my God. What? You. I would. Why would I give this up? This is great.
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Lyle
Holy shit.
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Nick
Isn't that fucking crazy when that happens? You know, it's just like.
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Rory
It is. It's like. It's like getting hit by lightning or something.
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Nick
I was. I was at a. This, like, parade that we have where I live, and they have a. There's always like a New Orleans style marching band up at, like, the front of it. And my girlfriend's little cousin, she's four, was like. We're all hanging out and walking with her. It's like all the people, like, get in the parade and we like, walk in the parade and she was like, dancing next to the tuba, the lady playing the tuba. And I just, like. I started like, tearing up. I was like, that's just so beautiful. Like, this little tiny thing is like, this is a beautiful moment. I don't know. And you know what? I think that's what has kind of made me feel a lot better, is like you just appreciate those things and you appreciate, like, big fucking clouds or. Today I saw a van parked and a dog was in the driver's seat. And I took a picture of it. It's like, funny as fuck.
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Rory
Yeah. But yeah, because it looks like the dog is driving the car.
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Nick
Yes, yes, exactly. And he wasn't. That's why it's funny.
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Rory
And it wasn't. But if the dog was actually driving the car, that wouldn't be that funny because he'd probably Kill a bunch of people.
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Nick
One. Another cool thing I've been trying to do, though, is make curry. And I'm, like, getting better at it, but I'm still not very good at it. And I don't know. That's like a chill thing. That's. You gotta pick something to do, you know? I don't know. Wait, I want to ask you something, though. When you go on tour. What. What is that? Like, do you get a lot of time to, like, experience the places you go or.
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Rory
No, I like the way you said. You said tour just now. I do sometimes.
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Nick
Yeah, I do sometimes tour instead of tour. Is that what.
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Rory
Where are you from?
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Nick
Is that what you're saying?
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Rory
Yeah, where are you from?
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Nick
I'm from. I live in. I live in a place called Hamtramck. It's in Detroit.
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Rory
Okay.
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Nick
It's like a. I live in Detroit, basically. Yeah.
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Rory
Because I heard that that was kind of like a Delco or like a Philly accent a little bit. I know a lot of people in Philly who talk like that. But. Yeah, it depends, man. I mean, when I was on sometimes, sometimes I got a lot of time, but other times I didn't have as much time. Mean, yeah, it was cool. I like. Well, I liked it. I like traveling. I like doing stuff. I'm always kind of on a back and forth between, like, oh, you know, you want to be stable so you can build relationships and community and. And then, you know, you want to travel so that you can, like, you know, be crazy and life is a movie and whatnot. Yeah, but I don't know, man. Yeah, I think, yeah, I got to see a lot of places. I feel really great. I'm really grateful. I got to see a bunch of shit. I mean, people will talk about, like, I know people will, like, bring up a place and I'll be like, yeah, I think I've been to Denver like, five fucking times at this point. And, like, it's cool. It's great. If you've never done it, you should go see shit. You know, if you're listening to this and you're like, you know, 20, you should be gone. You should be. Be in a different place than where you are right now, tomorrow, if you can.
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Nick
If, you know, If I was 20 right now and I have had. Have the knowledge that I have right now, I would totally go do some shit like that. Yeah, but everybody can say that at any point in their life and whatever. But, yeah, if you're 20 listening to this right now, you should. And you want to go do something somewhere else. You should. You should go to the.
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Rory
Bro, go to the Canary Islands and hang out with that cave guy.
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Nick
Oh, dude, I saw that. I was, like, thinking that, like, it wasn't like, an actual, like, cave cave. Like, I was thinking, like, maybe they were, like, retrofitted to have people in there or something.
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Rory
Did you see it? I posted it. I posted on Instagram because he. He DM'd me. He lives in a cave, dude. I might. I don't. I don't want to bring this up on the podcast. Well, I mean, I'm going to. I don't know why I'm saying I'm an idiot, but in the back of my head, I'm like, should I go to the fucking Canary Islands and film something with this guy? I don't. Maybe I will. I don't want to commit to that right now. But it's in the back of my head. I'm posting. I'm posting, like, a little clip of it tomorrow. But, you know that cave. I was talking to that cave guy, and I was like, God, he made an Instagram and people. And I think I got a DM from somebody who was like, Yo, I DM'd the cave guy, and now me and him are talking. So I think. I think he's making. I think he's about to, like, start a commune off this fucking podcast episode, or at least start, like, a cave guy thing. I don't know. Power to him. I think that's. I think he's doing a really cool fucking thing.
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Nick
Absolutely, man. I don't remember what his name was, but I was listening to that. I listened to that episode, and that was just, like, super inspiring. I don't know. It's just fucking, like, crazy. That's amazing. I don't know if I necessarily want to live in a cave, but, like.
- [35:45]
Rory
I don't know if I necessarily want to live in a cave either, but he. I think that guy will have a cool. I mean, he already has a cool life. He lives in a. Fuck. He's like. The way he described it, he's, like, living the way that, you know, humans fucking lived, you know, in tribes or whatever. You know, just. Yeah, Paleolithic. Yeah, Very, very Paleolithic. I'm pretending like I know what that word I. When you said pale, when you said it's very Paleolithic, I had in my mind an educated guess of what you were trying to say. So maybe I do know what Paleolithic means. Vaguely. If you asked me to. If you Dive further into that. I couldn't define Paleolithic, but I have in my head what you. What I think you mean when you say that. And I think that's right, but I think.
- [36:35]
Nick
I think I was using that word right.
- [36:38]
Rory
But it's like, I think you were, too. Who care? You were. Who cares? So don't look it up.
- [36:42]
Nick
Like, you know the cave drawing shit.
- [36:43]
Rory
Yeah. Cave shit. Yeah. Well, we're talking about the cave guys. This is cave shit. There we go. He's living. He's living a cave life. He lives in a cave. Rory?
- [36:52]
Nick
Yes, Lyle.
- [36:54]
Rory
I've enjoyed talking to you. I feel like I'm. This is a weird. This podcast. I don't know what this podcast started as. This started as. But it's now become. It's become therapy for. I mean, it's always been therapy for me. I don't know what. Yeah, you know what? Thanks for talking to me about this stuff, because I'm. I feel a lot of what you're talking about, and don't kill yourself. I'm not gonna kill myself.
- [37:27]
Nick
You either.
- [37:28]
Rory
I'm not. We're not. Word. Yeah, we're gonna be fine. No one's gonna kill themselves. Everything's gonna kill.
- [37:33]
Nick
Anyone listening to this. Please don't ever.
- [37:35]
Rory
No one's gonna. Yeah, no, it. We're all gonna be fine. We're all gonna be fine. That's what I'm taking away from this. I feel like we're. I feel like we're talking I. This conversation. I feel like you and I are, like, on the. Like, we both can't sleep at a sleepover kind of a conversation. Dude, we're talking on the fucking. We're talking on our friends. Like, what's not Attic? Why am I thinking porch? Yeah, we're talking porch. It's a very porch conversation.
- [38:16]
Nick
Yeah, it's a good one. It's good. Oh, go ahead.
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Rory
Go ahead. Oh.
- [38:23]
Nick
Is there anything else I want to say?
- [38:24]
Rory
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
- [38:29]
Nick
Yeah. I feel like there's. I've, like. I feel like. Feel like I've practiced this moment, and now I can't remember any of that shit that I wanted to say.
- [38:37]
Rory
No, you don't practice. There's. What do you feel right? What's in your Pops into your head?
- [38:43]
Nick
Definitely. Definitely. Everything gets better. It sucks, though. You got to work really hard, but it's totally worth it to make change in your life. That's positive. And. Yeah. Also start a band and listen to Slayer. That's. Yeah, that's. It Rory.
- [39:13]
Rory
For 10,000 years. Thank you for calling, sir. I'll. I'll see you around the universe.
- [39:19]
Nick
Yeah, for 100,000 years. Love you. Bye.
- [39:22]
Rory
Don't kill yourself.
- [39:24]
Nick
You either. Love you. Bye.
- [39:27]
Rory
I love you too, Rory. Goddamn. Fuck. Shit. Fuck. We're all going to be okay. Everything's going to be fine. That was a good call. That was a good call.
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Lyle
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Rory
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Roy Wood Jr.
You have to be very careful with tradition because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
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Jemele Hill
I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talked with comedian and CNN host Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American American star power in Major League Baseball.
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Roy Wood Jr.
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards, and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile, that's important. But you also need chaos Negro. You need.
- [42:45]
Jemele Hill
So you think Anthony Edwards is a chaos agent?
- [42:48]
Roy Wood Jr.
He told.
- [42:48]
Rory
He talked.
- [42:49]
Roy Wood Jr.
You saw the clip and him talking to Obama. He was talking to Obama like that was his little brother. Oh, yeah, you. Oh what you did? You killed Bin Laden. That's what's up.
- [42:55]
Jemele Hill
Listen to Spolitics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Rory
Hey, what's up?
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Nico
What's up? Oh my gosh.
- [43:08]
Rory
Hey, buddy, how's it going? It's going good, man. What's your name?
- [43:16]
Nico
My name is Nick. Your name's Lyle, right?
- [43:22]
Rory
My name is Lyle. Have we spoken before, Nick?
- [43:26]
Nico
Nope. I've been a long time listener though.
- [43:29]
Rory
Cool, cool, man.
- [43:32]
Nico
Yeah.
- [43:33]
Rory
How's your, how's your night going?
- [43:35]
Nico
It's going pretty good. I'm well currently studying for exam, but I needed a break anyway, so. Yeah, I'm a go ahead. 22 year old college student, so busy is a little busy bee.
- [43:56]
Rory
What do you. What's the exam? What are you being examined to do?
- [44:02]
Nico
It's on cancer Perspectives. So yeah, I'm learning about cancer right now. I'm. I'm a aspiring radiation therapist.
- [44:14]
Rory
Whoa, that's. That fucking is awesome. That's such a job. Why do I keep saying that? I keep saying that all the time. I think I say that all the time because I'm a talking Internet gecko.
- [44:30]
Nico
And I think that's a real job too. That's for sure. A real job, right?
- [44:36]
Rory
That's debatable. But I mean, it's a. Yeah, sure, sure. It produces. I pay taxes. I think if you pay taxes you have a real job. I think if you.
- [44:46]
Nico
Yeah. And if you're paying.
- [44:47]
Rory
Yeah, sure.
- [44:49]
Nico
If you're paying taxes, you're contributing to society.
- [44:52]
Rory
So, you know, I. I'll accept that. I'll accept that as a. As a justification.
- [44:59]
Nico
And you help out. I. From what I listen to, you help out a lot of people and that, that concert, something.
- [45:05]
Rory
Well, thanks, man. I mean, I'm not curing cancer, but, you know, I'm trying my best.
- [45:11]
Nico
Yeah.
- [45:12]
Rory
What. So what. Tell me. I mean, tell me more about cancer. Sounds bad.
- [45:20]
Nico
Yeah. Cancer is horrible, man. I shadowed a couple places and there's like, some. Some cases are like, not too bad. Like, people catch it early and in some cases they're like, oh, my gosh, like, I don't even want to talk about some. Some stuff. But, you know, it's a reality of this world, which is something.
- [45:46]
Rory
I don't know, but just like randomly catching cancer and dying.
- [45:54]
Nico
It. It's not even. Like a lot of cancer has to do with like, something that happens over times, but it can also be like a genetic thing. Like some people are just born with like, leukemia, which is like, oh, it's so bad. But, you know, there's a lot of, like the way that, like, technology is going, there's a big, like, there's such a huge reduction in deaths of cancer. And like, the fight against cancer is real. You know, one day I'm sure that. Yeah, one day I'm sure that, like, there will be a cure, and I'm hopeful for that. I want to contribute to that. So.
- [46:38]
Rory
Pretty good, Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, let's. You know what? I think this is good. I think fighting cancer is good and cancer is bad. I don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's your. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
- [47:04]
Nico
What was your question?
- [47:07]
Rory
I was going to ask what your life was like outside of cancer.
- [47:11]
Nico
Oh, yeah. Well, right now I'm working a job to pay the bills. I'm living with my girlfriend. And yeah, it's. It's life, you know, Like I'm at that age, like 22, where you gotta. Gotta pick. Pick up on your responsibilities and like, stay ahead on things. And I'm. I'm working on myself as a human being. Like, I. I've been. I started journaling. I at least journal a couple of times a week. And it's helped me because it kind of like feeds me or like it sees me into reality sometimes. You know, like, you get so caught up in your head and like when I Journal, it's like, I think it's like peak human experience sometimes. Because, like, if you think about it, like, every creature in this universe doesn't have hands or thumbs to write down their thoughts or even, like, realize that their thoughts are real, you know? So I think it helps me out a lot. Journaling.
- [48:20]
Rory
Whoa. Yeah, it's true. Like, a fucking dog can't journal. So journaling, it's one of the most human things you could do. I mean, I guess. Yeah, I guess. I guess you could say the same. I guess you could. I guess you could apply that to any. I guess you could say open it. You could apply that logic to most things. You could say that, like, opening a jar of pickles is the most human thing you could do. But it is. It's a very human thing to open a jar of pickles.
- [48:45]
Nico
Yeah. Like, even cave. Like, if you think about it, cavemen were like big journalers. Like, they're. They're like, right. And mammoths on the walls and like, they don't have a language, but they still, like, get it down, you know.
- [49:01]
Rory
They'Re doing what you journal about today. Today.
- [49:06]
Nico
I haven't gotten a journal. I had a physics course that I went to and it was kind of brain boggling and just been super busy. I woke up this morning after, like, I worked the whole weekend. I'm a Amazon delivery driver and I listened to your podcast a lot on like the road. It's really, really, really relaxing. And it's my. The nice thing about podcast is like, you can be doing anything and listen to it and just forget that you're working or some situation. So. So you grateful to you in that.
- [49:51]
Rory
Oh, thanks, man. Thanks, man. You're. So you're working. How many hours a week are you working? You're working Anglo in a school, man.
- [49:59]
Bob Pittman
How long?
- [49:59]
Rory
How you really are? You know, I have a lot of responsibilities. How often are you working?
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Nico
Typically it's one time or what? Just on like Sundays. But I picked up a shift this weekend because I called out sick last weekend. I'm like, oh, I need to make up somehow. Make up some money somehow. So I. I picked up a shift on Saturday, so I'm working approximately like 10 to 20 hours a week.
- [50:34]
Rory
And then how often are you in school and studying and.
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Nico
I have to be in class for. I have two in persons and one online. So like, I. I'm a transfer student this year and I am. I got like a lot of my prereqs out of the way and all the things. So it's kind of a lighter course load, which is why I can work more. So but soon I'm gonna. I'm so excited. I'm gonna be transitioning to, like, a hospital to actually get some real, like, healthcare work in a hospital setting.
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Rory
Cool.
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Nico
So I'm super excited for that.
- [51:14]
Rory
Cool, man.
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Nico
Because, like, Amazon is fun, but. Okay, I wouldn't say it's fun, but.
- [51:21]
Rory
I was about to say. I was about to say I've never heard someone who, true Drew, drives for Amazon, say, describe it as particularly fun.
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Nico
No, it's not fun, but, like, it's actually pretty. Pretty sweet gig if you think about it. Because you're, like, on the road and if you're in a vehicle that's not like, video recording you at 24 7, like, so you don't get dinged for distracted driving. You can, like, jam out some to some tunes or you can, like, you stay active. You're like, walking up and down. I like to be active. So, like, it keeps me on my feet. And if I didn't have bunions, I wouldn't be so upset about it. But, you know, thing bunions suck. I hope you never get them.
- [52:12]
Rory
What? I have multiple questions. There are camp. You have cameras that record you while you drive.
- [52:21]
Nico
Oh, yeah, they got like. So if you're passing an Amazon driver, do not cut in front of them because they're going to get in trouble. Because, like, you can get dinged for, like, just weird things. Like if someone cuts off, cuts you off. Like, you get dinged and it gets sent to your boss and they have to talk to you. If you speed, you get dinged or if you're eating or looking at your phone while driving, you get dinged. So it's kind of an advanced system. Like, I. I get why it's in place to, like, protect and everything, but it can make things difficult sometimes.
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Rory
What are bunions?
- [53:05]
Nico
Bunions. It's like when. Bunions. It's more of a recent development. I've always had feet issues, but a bunion is like, you know that ball of your foot next to your big toe? The ball of the big toe kind of like juts out a bit like.
- [53:23]
Rory
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Nico
Inward. That, like, when that grows out too much, it starts hurting, you know, like, it's like a joint pain almost. But it. I think it's not. It only has to do with, like, when I wear shoes without, like, arch support, which is kind of hard to find these days. But yeah, bunion hurts when I walk, but it's manageable. You Know, some people have to get surgery, like, to fix that stuff. Like, I. A foot surgeon came into my class one year. Since we're like a healthcare class, a foot surgeon just, like, went over, like, a presentation about, like, different feet surgeries and stuff, so.
- [54:15]
Rory
Well, tell me about your girlfriend. How did you meet her?
- [54:20]
Nico
So it's kind of funny that, like, the last lady talked about Tinder, and I actually found my girlfriend on Tinder too. We went to the same college, and we are back when. Before I transferred, we went to the same college. And I was sitting. I remember this moment so clearly. I was like. I was sitting in like. Have you ever heard of Einstein Bagels?
- [54:50]
Rory
Yeah, I know what that is.
- [54:52]
Nico
Yeah, it's like a bagel shop. And I was eating a chocolate chip bagel with honey almond. Honey almond cream cheese spread. And I. I got a ding. Like, I matched with someone on Tinder because this was like, the very beginning of my Tinder expedition, I guess, like, giving it a shot. And I match with this super cute lady, and I'm like. I text my friend like, oh, dude, I got. I got a match, bro. And he's like, oh, go, go, take. Shoot your shot, you know? And I did. And I met her, it was during finals week, and I went to the library to study with her, and then she took. She like, showed me her apartment, and we. She played the guitar for me, and we just. It was a very nice day, and we just kept seeing each other, and it grew and it blossomed into something really nice. We've been together for, like, two years now, so.
- [55:58]
Rory
Man, you got a nice fucking life, brother. You got a nice. I like you, man. What's your name again?
- [56:05]
Nico
My name's Nick or Nico. Nico is my Spanish name.
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Rory
Nico, you're a. You're. You're fucking outstanding citizen, Nico.
- [56:15]
Nico
You're an outstanding citizen.
- [56:17]
Rory
Hold on, hold on, hold on. I. I don't know why. I'm like, I'm filled with. It's gonna sound insane, but I'm feel. I'm filled with. I'm filled with joy for you right now, Nico. You're just a real. You're just a real. Hold on, let me say this real quick. You're a real person. You have a. Yeah, a nice girlfriend. You live in a place, you deliver packages. You're solving cancer. You're 22. Yeah. You're just. I don't know. You're a real. If I could send a human being to be like, this is what. This is a. This is a guy. This is a Person. This is a 22 year old human male living in society in 2025. And we send him to aliens or a histographer. You're a guy, you're a just a real fucking American fucking real guy. And I'm not, I hope I don't sound like I'm being facetious right now. I hope I'm accurately expressing just the feeling that I have for you, listening to you in your life and I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. I'm, I ju, I know it sounds like I am, but I'm, I just in my gut I'm like, you're, you're a fucking, you're a good guy, Nico. I don't know you that well, but you're a good guy.
- [57:32]
Nico
I, I, so the thing about being a good person I feel is yes. Like, it, it, it's, it's not basically you're, you're born, it's not that you're just born a good person. Right. Like of course everyone's born with a personality. But I, I've honestly just been super blessed with like the way I, I was raised. Like I, my parents are like, I was raised in a, a small village. I got to play outside with the neighbors, like have like a somewhat normal childhood. Like I, I, it's not just like, I try to think of it as like if anyone was born in my shoes, they'd probably turn out just as well, if not better than me. And I, I try and keep that perspective when like good or bad in people, like everyone has potential to be a good person. But I think I've just kind of got, got really, I hit the jackpot with my like family and friends in life. So it, it's, I don't know, like you're, you're a good guy in my eyes. And I tried to like few people like with optimism I guess because I, I've also come to like a conclusion with like since I was raised with like so much love and joy. I need to like, it's my duty as like a person who is blessed with something like that to like try and continue this path and continue that energy. You know, I want to con, I want to continue that.
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Rory
I want to not to get so I want to, I want to kill you. Such a good guy. I just want to kill you. I don't know why I said that, but that's how you're such a good guy. I want to strangle you.
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Nico
I'll learn some self defense and I'll strangle you back I do want to learn some boxing. That would be awesome.
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Rory
Yeah. It's funny. It's funny. I mean. Yeah, that whole. Yeah, that whole thing of like. Yeah, there's no. Yeah. Of course. Anyone who was born. Anyone who's. Was born from your mother's vagina would have been you. Not you specifically, but whoever you are.
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Nico
Mm.
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Rory
So, you know. Yeah. I don't know. There's no real reason why anyone is anyone, but it's. It's true. But anyway, whatever. I don't know. I don't want to. You're. I don't. Fuck that. I hate that existential rant. I mean, I hate it right now.
- [60:24]
Nico
But I think existentialism is pretty cool to think about.
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Rory
I want to kill you, Nico. You know, it is. It's cool to think about, but you don't want to. You don't want to get. You don't want to be too existential. You want it like the lat. Like the last guy said where he was. I think I caught on to what the last guy was saying. I don't know if I specifically did, but where. It's like life is a series of going to the store and forgetting you got that. You're supposed to get bananas. Like, that's. You want to. You want, like, existential thought. I think, in a healthy human being should consume a small portion of the pie chart, and you should mainly be thinking about, like, the real. The life that you're li. I mean, you live. You don't. Your life, from what you've told me, is like, you know, driving for Amazon, being with your girlfriend, doing. Being in, like, you know, radiation therapies. Like, you're living. You're living in your life a lot. You're not spending all day in crazy existential. Existential thoughts.
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Nico
Oh, good.
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Rory
Maybe you are. I don't know. You're right. I shouldn't have. I shouldn't have. You know, you're right. I. Driving for Amazon probably does give you a lot of time to think about life and shit. I shouldn't have assumed that. What are you thinking about when you're in these existential thoughts?
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Nico
Especially like. Like you said, like, when you're in Amazon driving in silent all day. You do sometimes have to think, like, I. I'm. I'm in a very joyous mood too, because I'm talking to you right now. So, like, I've been listening to you for a long time. I've been really trying to get on the podcast eventually, so that. That might be why you're Thinking I'm such a joyous dude. But when I'm on, like, on hour 10 of my Amazon shift and I'm like, grumpy, I haven't gotten to eat anything, I'm like, sometimes it just brings out, like, the existential thing that you talk about. And it takes me to, like, when I think about existential, I think about, like. Like, I think about, like, there's a list of things like God, the past, the future, and, like, spiritualism or, like, physics or, like, virtual reality simulation. Like, have you heard of the double split or double slit experiment? Or like, Schrodinger's cat?
- [63:02]
Rory
Yeah, sure, I know what Schrodinger's cat is.
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Nico
Like, I. Since I'm kind of a physics dweeb, I like to look into stuff like that and. And I'll listen to, like, podcasts on that, and it just takes me so out of it. But I don't know. Existential is, like, it's a unique human experience in my opinion. Like, most. Most animals live off of, like, instinct or like, oh, I need to procreate, because that's what life is like, growth and going forward. But as a human, you get so more advanced, like, oh, God. Or like, spiritualism. Like, I think that is such a unique thing for us. But I could be wrong. Maybe dolphins think about that.
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Rory
No, I think. Sorry, I'm kind of just swimming.
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Nico
Sorry, I'm kind of all over the place. Like, I do this thing when I talk to people. I just jump around to random things.
- [64:08]
Rory
Nico, you. I really. You have. You never need to apologize for anything ever for the rest of your life. You're a great human.
- [64:15]
Nico
Yes, I do.
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Rory
You're a great human being. Nico. It was good talking to you, man. Is there any. Is there anything else you want to say to the people, the computer, before we go?
- [64:30]
Nico
I don't know. Maybe just try and have perspective. Like, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but, like. Like I said, like, if you were. If anyone was born in the shoes. If someone pissed you off that day and you were born in their shoes, you'd probably piss yourself off too, you know, like, we're all each other trying to have some perspective.
- [64:54]
Rory
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all. We're all. We're all probably each other. I think.
- [65:02]
Nico
We'Re all one being if you think about it.
- [65:05]
Rory
We all drive for Amazon.
- [65:09]
Nico
We all feel. We all drive for Amazon and to be the slave of a capitalistic society that we did not choose to be born into. So, like, imagine being born as a Someone in Africa, just like, living in a tribe and.
- [65:26]
Rory
Or like when we. Sorry, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
- [65:31]
Nico
No, I'm just kind of rambling because I was gonna.
- [65:34]
Rory
Talking to you, I was gonna say. I was gonna say when you started this call talking about cancer, I was like, I don't think this can get any more depressing. Yeah, I'm glad that we start. Both started and ended on a depressing note.
- [65:49]
Nico
Yeah.
- [65:50]
Rory
But I still think you're. I still. I still fucking think you're the greatest human being that I have ever encountered. And I might not be being facetious about that.
- [66:00]
Nico
No, I'm not. I. I've heard, like, that cave dude.
- [66:06]
Rory
Wait, we can't all be the cave dude. We can't all be the cave dude.
- [66:11]
Nico
Just keep bringing up the cave dude.
- [66:13]
Nick
Every.
- [66:13]
Nico
Every call.
- [66:15]
Rory
I'll talk to you later, Nico. Thank you.
- [66:18]
Nico
Yeah, thank you. Have a good one.
- [66:20]
Rory
Bye, Nico.
- [66:22]
Nico
Bye.
- [66:23]
Lyle
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Nick
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Rory
You can even use it to help.
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Lyle
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Roy Wood Jr.
You have to be very careful with tradition, because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
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Jemele Hill
I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talk with comedian and CNN host Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major League Baseball.
- [67:41]
Roy Wood Jr.
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards, and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile, that's important. But you also need chaos Negro. You need.
- [68:01]
Jemele Hill
So you think Anthony Edwards is a chaos agent?
- [68:03]
Roy Wood Jr.
He told. He talked. Did you saw the clip of him talking to Obama. He was talking to Obama like that was his little brother. Oh, yeah, you what you did, you killed Bin Laden. That's what. What's up?
- [68:11]
Jemele Hill
Listen to Spolitics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Unnamed Host
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty. The story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
- [68:29]
Nick
The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.
- [68:33]
Unnamed Host
From the building of the corps that included climbing Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport, I.
- [68:41]
Nick
Just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.
- [68:50]
Unnamed Host
Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
- [68:57]
Nick
Love for what Steph has done for the game.
- [68:59]
Rory
He's certainly on that, like Mount Rushmore.
- [69:01]
Nick
For guys that have changed it.
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Unnamed Host
Come revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dub Dynasty.
- [69:07]
Nick
The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.
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Unnamed Host
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- [69:23]
Nick
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Rory
Hello?
- [69:53]
Isabel
Oh, my God. Hello, Lyle.
- [69:56]
Rory
What's up? How's life?
- [69:58]
Isabel
Oh, my God. No, this is actually, like, kind of crazy. I've called so many times in the last few weeks because I started like, I've known about you for years now, but when I met my boyfriend recently, he was like, we drove down to like the south of England and he was like, let's. Let's put something on the card. I really want to listen to music. Let's like, listen to this therapy gecko. And I was like, oh, I've heard of him. He's like, yeah, I listen to him while I'm welding and doing my work. And I was like, oh, cool. And I've just been like, listening to you every day for the last, like four months now. It's so. I Love it. It's very interesting listening to people talk about their experiences and stuff like that.
- [70:39]
Rory
Fuck, yeah. Thanks. Crazy. It's fucking. It's always sick to hear that people are listening to this outside of the state. Where. Where. Where in the UK are you from? I've been. I've been there.
- [70:50]
Isabel
I'm. I'm at university at the minute. I'm in Birmingham, which is like, Midlands, West Midlands. But I'm from near Cambridge originally, so I'm, like, three hours away from home. Yeah. I'm actually, like, so shocked right now. This is crazy.
- [71:07]
Rory
How is universe in a good way?
- [71:10]
Isabel
Sorry.
- [71:11]
Rory
How's university?
- [71:13]
Isabel
It's really good. It is good. This is my first year back. I'm only 19, so this is my first year at university. It's really good. It is really good. I used to live in, like, a. Was it like, I grew up in, like, a little town? Not town. It was a little village in the middle of nowhere with, like, a few, like, less than a thousand people, I want to say. So, like, coming. This is, like, Birmingham's the second biggest city in the uk, so this is, like, kind of crazy for me that there's so much to do.
- [71:44]
Nico
Hmm.
- [71:45]
Isabel
It's mental not knowing everyone, but. What the hell, man? This is. This is so cool.
- [71:53]
Rory
What did you say your name. What did you say your name was?
- [71:56]
Isabel
Isabel.
- [71:57]
Rory
Isabel. Well, Isabelle, it's totally. It's totally cool. If not, I can just ask you random things, but is there anything in particular that you wanted to talk about today?
- [72:07]
Isabel
Yeah, I wanted to. I've heard a lot of people talk about, like, the dating apps and stuff like that, and I always talk about my experience with that because I feel like it's quite interesting. No, like, interesting, interesting. I'm not like, some. I don't know. I feel like I'm not going to that many, like, crazy stories to tell. Like, that guy, the cave guy. That's awesome. I know that last guy brought that up, but I'm bringing that up again. That's crazy.
- [72:34]
Rory
Hey, man, listen, listen, listen. I don't want everyone. Every. Not everyone's gonna start calling into this podcast and being like, well, I'm not as interesting as the cave guy. Look, you don't have to always be as interesting as the cave guy. We can't. I'm not as interesting as the cave guy. We can't all be as interesting as.
- [72:52]
Isabel
The cave guy, so don't live the cave life.
- [72:55]
Rory
I don't think I could either. I don't think I could either. I couldn't shit in a cave. Well, actually, I could shit the cave once, but I don't think I could do it every day. But you don't. You don't have to be as interesting as the cave guy.
- [73:06]
Isabel
Do you know. You know, in Italy, you know Mount Vesuvius?
- [73:09]
Rory
No, I haven't heard of it. I mean, I know. I know what Italy.
- [73:12]
Isabel
You know. You know. You know, like, Pompeii, obviously. It's the volcano that, like, killed everyone. Well, like, the Romans and stuff like that. We went there when I was, like, 12 or 13 on a school trip, and I. On the mountain, and it felt like, I don't know, not, like Italian or anything, but I was like, yeah, this is kind of like payback for killing all those people in Pompeii. I don't know.
- [73:34]
Rory
There we go.
- [73:35]
Isabel
Random thought. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.
- [73:40]
Rory
Okay. So you wanted to talk about your dating app experiences.
- [73:43]
Nick
Yeah.
- [73:44]
Isabel
I don't know. It's just. I don't know. Me and my friends, I felt like this is a very common thing, but people obviously, like. Some people, like, download it for certain reasons, but me and my friends were just like, oh, let's. Let's do it as a joke and kind of see what happens. And then it went really well, and now I've got a boyfriend, so it's quite cool. But I went on quite a few dates before meeting him, but I'm glad it kind of works out for the better.
- [74:10]
Rory
Yeah, that's great. I mean, how many. How many dates did you go on before you met your boyfriend?
- [74:17]
Isabel
Like, three. I want to say. I want to say three. I said many, but I want to say three.
- [74:22]
Rory
That's pretty.
- [74:23]
Isabel
I literally. I downloaded. I downloaded it in November, and then I met boyfriend in January, like, end of January. And then we got together after, like, a month, and now we're chilling this year.
- [74:36]
Rory
That's pretty good. Okay, I'm gonna say something, and you might be offended by it, but it is my guttural reaction to what you're telling me right now.
- [74:43]
Isabel
Yep.
- [74:44]
Rory
Okay. I feel like it's so much easier to meet your boyfriend after three. Three dates when you're 19. Because. And this is the part where you're gonna get offended is because I think when you're 19, you're like. Like, your. Who you are as a person is developed, like, a little bit, of course, by that time.
- [75:11]
Isabel
Yeah.
- [75:12]
Rory
But, like, compared to, like, when you're 29 or some, right. You're. You're a little bit less developed, so I think you're I think you're a little bit more willing at 19 to be like, this guy is nice to me, and I find him attractive. And that's. Those are. That's a. That's column A and column B, you know, and then as you get older, you start being like, well, I want someone who has a little bit of this, and I. You know, my life is like this. And I want someone whose life is a little bit like this and this and the other thing.
- [75:44]
Isabel
Yeah.
- [75:45]
Rory
And so you start getting. Narrowing things down. You get more specific with what you need, you know? But I feel like when you're. Yeah, when you're, like, in college, it's like they're attractive and they're chill, and that's it.
- [76:00]
Isabel
Yeah.
- [76:01]
Rory
So you. And you can. And you can find that in not that many dates.
- [76:07]
Isabel
No, I didn't. Yeah, I completely agree with you.
- [76:10]
Nick
I know.
- [76:10]
Isabel
I know for facts, I'm not, like, fully cognitively, like, developed yet. Obviously, you don't get that. You don't get to that point. So you're like, what, mid-20s? And even then, like, you're always learning.
- [76:20]
Rory
I don't. I don't know if human. I don't know if you ever.
- [76:24]
Isabel
You're always learning. You're always learning. You can always feel like a certain age. I still feel like I'm, like 12 years old mentally. I'm like. I still have the same interest. So I'm like, oh, I'm just a woman now, I guess, kind of. Not really, but I'm just kind of living in a city and I'm meeting all these people and stuff.
- [76:42]
Rory
But I get that, you know, I have. Have fun, have a good time, enjoy life. Jesus Christ. I don't know why. Yeah, go ahead.
- [76:52]
Isabel
Yeah, I'm trying to think. Like, I don't know. Do you want to ask me some questions? I. I feel like I've, like, thought. I've thought about this moment quite a few times, and I'm like, what have I. What do I want to talk about? But I feel like I'm gonna let you question me and I can kind of ramble potentially.
- [77:12]
Rory
Sure, Sure, I can question you. What. I mean, what do you. What do you study?
- [77:17]
Isabel
Oh, so I'm doing. Currently, I'm doing, like, a thing called a foundation. Year before university. So it's not like. It's like one year where you basically, like, do, like, a course. So I'm doing media production as my course right now. So I do a year of that, and you basically get, like, trained in all These, like, different, like, audio, like, video equipment, you know, you learn how to do, like, podcasts and stuff like that and live T. And also to make, like, short films, to do, like, presentations, because it's like, it's meant to be like a starting thing to introduce people to university, because some people just do it as like, you get like a qualification out of it, but it's not like the same level as like an actual university degree. It's just like you get experience from it and then you can kind of go and do whatever university course you want to do. So, like, there's other people on my course who are doing completely different things to be like sports marketing and stuff like that. They'll be doing that next year. Well, this September. But I meant to be doing filmmaking, but I've had a revelation recently that I'm like, nah, I kind of want to just do media production. Because not that it's difficult to get into the film industry, but obviously it's difficult to get into it, but.
- [78:28]
Rory
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I have to. I have to interrupt you. What is the difference between filmmaking and media production? So film is. Filmmaking is.
- [78:39]
Isabel
No, no, like, no, no. It's a completely valid question. Like, with filmmaking, you are literally just like, you're studying films, you're writing about them, and you like, create them, and then you. You are just basically working on stuff in the film industry. So you're working on, like, production, you learn how to write, like, scripts, you learn how to direct, produce, do, like, sound editing and stuff like that. But with media production, that's like all kind of versions of, like, media in a sense. So, like, obviously, like, like a podcast is completely different to a film. Like, that's completely different. Like, different kind of ways of going about it. And I would be learning, like, just loads of different things, and I'd be learning, like, different kinds of software and stuff. I just feel like it's better to be versed in lots and lots of different things and have like, a broad knowledge on stuff than kind of hone in on one thing. And, like, I didn't. I didn't. I wasn't originally going to go to university. Like, the last. My last, like the last year has kind of been a bit wild for me. But I'm kind of glad that I'm at this point where I'm like, you know what? I've realized that maybe I should do this course. And it's glad that I've kind of learned these things. I know I'm still young and stuff like that. Everyone makes, like, mistakes and whatever, but I've thought about it and I'm like, yeah, let's just continue with media production. That'll be fun. And, like, the people here is cool. Birmingham is a really creative city. Like, it's a bit dodgy in some areas, don't get me wrong. Like. Like every city is, but it's really fun. I've met some great people here.
- [80:13]
Nico
It's really good.
- [80:15]
Rory
Isabelle, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the.
- [80:18]
Lyle
Computer before we go?
- [80:22]
Isabel
Don't give up on your dreams. And don't let. I don't know, don't let people tell you what you can and can't do in your life. And just because you're young, obviously don't make crazy, crazy decisions. But everyone's young. They make, I don't know, silly, silly decisions. Just live life, have fun and, I don't know, don't get any stupid tattoos or anything like that. I've got stupid tattoos. Don't do that. Just be normal. Well, not normal, but have fun, I guess.
- [80:51]
Rory
Pretty good.
- [80:52]
Isabel
Thank you.
- [80:54]
Rory
I'll see you if I ever come to Bingham. Binghamton, Birmingham.
- [80:59]
Isabel
Yes, Birmingham. Thank you, Lyle.
- [81:01]
Rory
See you later, Isabelle.
- [81:03]
Isabel
Have a good night.
- [81:04]
Rory
Man, I fucked it up. Why did I say Binghamton, Birmingham, Birmingham? Yeah. No, I think people have told me I should go to Birmingham. There's all these, like, places. There's Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff. I've never been. I've been there. Brighton, London, Manchester. I like the uk, though. The UK is a cool place. Maybe I'll go. Maybe I'll go there again. I'm sure I'll go there again at some point in my life to walk around and look at things which I. Which I. Which I oft enjoy. Enjoy to do. Thank you all for listening to the Therapy Gecko podcast. I'm Lyle. I'm a Gecko. Do I have any final thoughts? What did we learn? I don't know if we learned anything. We talked to Rory, Isabelle and Nico, and I like to talk on all of them. I like getting to talk to people and I like that people listen to people talking and it's good. And that's all I got. Until next time. Gekko out. Be an expert.
- [82:41]
Lyle
Hey, folks. This episode is sponsored by ChatGPT Plus. ChatGPT plus is free for college students now through May. That means you have no limits on how many ways you can prompt ChatGPT to help you through the worst part of the school year. There's many ways you can do this like uploading your class notes and having ChatGPT quiz you on them or or asking ChatGPT to take a complicated concept and try to explain it to you in simpler terms to help you understand chatgpt plus free for college students through may restrictions apply.
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Roy Wood Jr.
You have to be very careful with tradition because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
- [83:19]
Jemele Hill
I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talk with comedian Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major League Baseball.
- [83:30]
Roy Wood Jr.
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million Dollar Smile. But you also need Chaos Negro.
- [83:44]
Jemele Hill
Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
- [83:52]
Nick
The championship is back in the bay for the first time in 40 years.
- [83:57]
Unnamed Host
On the new limited podcast series Dub Dynasty, we hear from head coach Steve Kerr on how Steph Curry almost never even joined the Warriors.
- [84:06]
Nick
In fact, I thought we had a draft day deal to end up getting.
- [84:09]
Unnamed Host
Him to Phoenix for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [84:24]
Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like Chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist.
- [84:50]
Rory
Being a rock star is very fun, but helping people is way more fun.
- [84:54]
Bob Pittman
And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing.
- [84:57]
Rory
I figured out the formula. I just have to work hard. Then that's magic.
- [85:00]
Bob Pittman
Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.