GECK IRL: “IS MURDER BAD?”

Summary

Podcast Summary: Therapy Gecko - GECK IRL: “IS MURDER BAD?”

Episode Information

• Title: Therapy Gecko
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Episode: GECK IRL: “IS MURDER BAD?”
• Release Date: March 16, 2025
• Description: An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing.

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Introduction: Real-Life Adventures in Washington Square Park

The episode kicks off with Lyle, the host embodying the persona of Therapy Gecko, introducing listeners to a live-recorded session in Washington Square Park, New York City. Lyle shares his discovery that stepping outside and engaging with the environment can alleviate existential dread and promote mental well-being. His enthusiastic approach sets the stage for engaging conversations with park-goers.

Key Quote:

• "Guys, get this. I figured out the solution to going insane. All you have to do is go outside. Go outside, touch some grass."
  [03:57] Lyle

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Conversation with Tabitha: Arts Ministry and the Tortured Artist Trope

Tabitha, a member of an arts ministry group, discusses her involvement in blending artistic passion with Christian values. The dialogue shifts to the pervasive "tortured artist" stereotype in the arts community, highlighting how self-deprecation and insecurity can lead to bullying behaviors. Tabitha emphasizes the importance of fostering a supportive environment where artists feel valued for their inherent gifts rather than competing with one another.

Notable Quotes:

• "I would say you're loved and you're beautiful just the way that you are."
  [13:29] Tabitha

• "The gift is beautiful, not because it's better than anybody else's, but because it's a gift."
  [12:26] Tabitha

Timestamp Highlights:

• [04:16] Introduction of Tabitha and her role.
• [13:00] Discussion on the tortured artist myth and its impact.
• [15:00] Quran perspective on self-worth and creativity.

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Interview with Eli: High School Perspectives and Future Aspirations

Eli, a 10th-grade student, shares his experiences navigating high school life in New York City. He expresses aspirations in the financial sector and dreams of acquiring a BMW. The conversation touches on Eli's cautious approach to social interactions and his reflections on identity and personal growth.

Notable Quotes:

• "First, I'd probably help all my people out. Then, I worry about myself."
  [18:11] Eli

• "I just want to be happy while I'm struggling."
  [20:13] Eli

Timestamp Highlights:

• [16:30] Eli discusses his social circle and school environment.
• [20:00] Aspirations and personal goals.
• [41:01] Eli recounts his approach to skateboarding and community.

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Dialogue with Trinity: Consciousness, Reality, and Existential Thoughts

Trinity Rain, a film and television student, delves into deep philosophical inquiries about consciousness and the existence of life on other planets. The conversation explores the nature of reality as a consensus, the spectrum of consciousness, and the subjective understanding of facts.

Notable Quotes:

• "The energy can't be created nor destroyed, so maybe I'll be a tree in the rain forest that talks."
  [24:49] Trinity

• "Reality is the sum total of everyone's subjective idea of it."
  [55:14] Ryan Seacrest

Timestamp Highlights:

• [22:31] Trinity introduces her persistent thoughts on extraterrestrial life.
• [25:03] Discussion on legacy and its subjective nature.
• [30:12] Trinity shares her experiences with perceived negativity.
• [54:51] Debate on the nature of facts and reality.

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Conversation with Scott: Law School Insights and Perceptions of Reality

Scott, a graduate student in law school at NYU, provides insights into the subjective nature of laws and societal structures. He debates the objectivity of facts, the fragility of legal institutions, and the societal consensus on moral issues like murder. Scott shares personal experiences dealing with stress and potential threats, highlighting the psychological aspects of safety and control.

Notable Quotes:

• "Reality is fragile. It's just ideas."
  [65:59] Scott

• "If I were kidnapped by ISIS, I'd try to stay calm and make conversation."
  [71:46] Ryan Seacrest

Timestamp Highlights:

• [34:18] Scott discusses his Serbian heritage and modeling career.
• [63:06] Exploration of law school life and its challenges.
• [70:52] Scott recounts an incident of being followed in a store.
• [81:34] Philosophical debate on laws, reality, and ethics.

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Engaging with Hannah: Economics and Perceptions of Policies

Hannah, an economics sophomore, engages in a discourse on tariffs and economic policies. She reflects on the complexities of economic theories and the importance of research and fact-checking in forming opinions. The conversation navigates through the impact of tariffs, the role of media in shaping perceptions, and the ethical considerations surrounding economic decisions.

Notable Quotes:

• "Tariffs are a political tactic, not just random decisions."
  [50:07] Hannah

• "If the sky is green, that's still my vote in my own reality."
  [55:48] Ryan Seacrest

Timestamp Highlights:

• [75:21] Introduction to Hannah and her studies.
• [77:08] Hannah explains intersectional feminist theory.
• [82:16] Debate on the objectivity of facts in economics.
• [87:22] Hannah discusses Colombian culture and veganism.

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Concluding Thoughts: Embracing Reality and Community

As the episode wraps up, Lyle encourages listeners to engage with the world around them as a means to maintain mental health and sanity. He reflects on the joy and challenges of interacting with diverse individuals, emphasizing the importance of community and real-life connections.

Key Quote:

• "If you're in your underwear at home feeling like you're going crazy, just put on pants and go outside."
  [57:00] Lyle

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Final Remarks: Encouragement and Closing

Lyle expresses his intention to continue conducting live interactions, highlighting the therapeutic benefits of genuine human connection. He urges listeners to subscribe and stay tuned for more episodes that blend humor, existential musings, and heartfelt conversations.

Notable Quote:

• "I might just start trying to do this once a week or every other week."
  [58:00] Lyle

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Conclusion

"GECK IRL: 'IS MURDER BAD?'" presents a tapestry of thought-provoking conversations that blend humor with deep philosophical inquiries. Through engaging dialogues with individuals from various walks of life, Therapy Gecko explores the subjective nature of reality, the ethics of human actions, and the importance of community support in navigating life's complexities. The episode serves as a reminder of the value in stepping outside, interacting with others, and embracing the multifaceted aspects of human existence.

Transcript

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[Matt]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Tabitha]

You mean the bean bag chair?

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Matt]

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[Lyle]

It lets us colle money before we buy.

[Tabitha]

Ooh yes, that's smart.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

Get started in the PayPal app. A PayPal account is required to send and receive money. A balance account is required to create a pool. Hello folks, it is Lyle. This is just a quick intro to this episode letting you know that it was recorded in real life. That's right, in real life. In Washington Square park in New York City, I did some interviews with some folks we got to Talk to a lot of people. It was really great. I hope you enjoy it. And please let me know in the comments if you like these kinds of episodes, because personally, for me, they're my favorite kind to do. I love getting to chat with people. I felt like the energy was really there. It was really fun. And that's it. This is me recording a little intro. There's gonna be another intro of me talking while I'm actually in the park. I don't know why I'm doubling up on the intros or even why I'm still talking right now. Let's get in to the episode. This is being a gecko in the park. Okay. Hello, listeners of the Therapy Gecko podcast and Watchers videos on the Internet. We are here today in Washington Square park because, well, folks who listen to the podcast know that all I've been talking about is existential dread and going insane. And I actually figured out. Guys, get this. I figured out the solution to going insane. And you. And you folks aren't gonna believe it, but all you have to do is go outside. It's all you have to do. Go outside, touch some grass. So I'm here. I feel great. I feel amazing. Washington Square park is one of my favorite places that I have that I have been in my adventures around the planet. There's all kinds of people here, all living their own individual lives. And it's a sunny day out, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna chat with some people. So let's do that. This is being a gecko in the park. Can you tell us your name, ma'am?

[Leah]

Yes. Hi, I'm Tabitha.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Tabitha, nice to meet you, Tabitha.

[Leah]

Nice to meet you. Gekko.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How you doing? How's life?

[Leah]

Good, good. Beautiful.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. What brings you to the park today?

[Leah]

I am here with a group that does arts ministry.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What is arts ministry?

[Leah]

Yeah, so it's artists who love Jesus and are committed to loving the people in arts in the city for him, like, in his name.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So, you know what's funny is, okay, on the last episode of the podcast, we had another guy who wanted to talk about Jesus, but he was. He was a dick about it. You seem way nicer than he does. I hope so. Oh, my gosh. I'm not a dick about it. No, no. When did you. And I'm actually. I'm open minded to these things because it's very hard to find direction in life, and it seems like something that gives people a lot of direction in life. So when did you find Jesus?

[Leah]

Ooh, that's a great question. I actually found Jesus because my parents dragged me to church as a small child. Mixed bag. I don't necessarily advocate for dragging your children places really against their will.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Really? Okay. I mean, that's a good thing. That's a good thing to advocate against. When, when, like, do you remember early days when you were in church as a child? Were you bored?

[Leah]

Yeah, I fell asleep a lot. My mom is. She's got really soft arms. I love you, Mommy, if you ever see this. And so I would just fall asleep on her arm. Our church, I think, was also aware that there were children there consistently because we had crosswords and word searches in the back of the bulletin.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Leah]

So, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Did anything stuck in your head, like, were there any sermons that, like, got into your head that you were like, all right, I'm kind of vibing with this?

[Leah]

Yeah. I think it was more Sunday school. It was more the time geared towards kiddos where I got to see, oh, Jesus is cool. And, like, he doesn't necessarily want me to dress up in things that, like, choke me on Sunday mornings and go sit and fall asleep in church for two hours. But he does, like, want to talk to me about stuff.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you talk to Jesus about?

[Leah]

Everything. Oh, my God.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Yeah. Is there any topics offline? Have you ever started talking to him and he's like, keep that one to yourself?

[Leah]

No, never. In fact, it's scary to me how much I can just hear him say, yeah, keep going.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Cool.

[Leah]

That's what I want.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. Do you like. And he withholds judgment, Right? That's this whole thing.

[Leah]

It's not even that he withholds judgment, much as I feel so clearly his love.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow.

[Leah]

I think our best friends, like, in the world aren't people that would let us go, like, smoke crack on a Saturday afternoon.

[Tabitha]

Hopefully.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So. So if, like. So I know Jesus is non judgmental, but if you told. If you were talking to Jesus, right?

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And you were like, I have this deep compulsion. Something about the air on this brisk Saturday afternoon is making me want to smoke crack. What would he say? Would he be like, what's a good friend say to that?

[Leah]

Yeah, I think if I could in this moment be Jesus. Yeah, please, Lord, please be Jesus, I would say, baby, what's wrong? Do you need help? Do we need to have a conversation? We can go somewhere and eat some food and talk about it. Crack isn't the answer. Crack is whack, as Whitney would say, though her action. Never mind. Let's not talk about Whitney. My bad.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Whitney. Whitney Houston.

[Leah]

My bad.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, she was into crack. She was. You ever see. I know this isn't popular, but you ever see someone on crack and they a little like. Okay, here's the thing about crack is obviously we all know that crack is a, like, is a long term bad play.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But if you're looking to have a phenomenal. If you're going to have a great life, you stay away from it. I have a awesome 10 minutes. Yeah, it looks like it could be fun for those 10 minutes.

[Leah]

So I went to a Christian college. Won't name it, but I literally had a professor who we were talking about, like really old people that would come speak at the college. And there's one guy who passed away, like in the last five years who was like 98 when he passed.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Whoa.

[Leah]

And like around his 95th birthday that the university was celebrating, this professor was like, just in confidence with the students, said, you know, if I was his age, you know, I'd wake up and I'd try crack. Cause.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. Yeah, no, yeah, no. Once you're 98, is that you, though? So if you, if you turn 98, are you gonna. Are you gonna do heroin?

[Leah]

I don't know about trying heroin. I feel like by the time I get to 98, it's almost like a sense of I've seen so much and I've done so many things. Do I really want to try the heroine? Maybe. Maybe the horse will be for me when I turn 93. But. Oh, I rhymed.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Maybe the horse will be for me when I turn 93. That sounds like something from like a Bob Dylan song.

[Leah]

Cannot confirm what.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So I, we. We talked a little bit before you came on. On camera. You're not from New York, right?

[Leah]

I'm not.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you do? What do you. Where are you from and what are you doing in town?

[Leah]

Yeah. So I am from. From San Antonio, Texas.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Cool.

[Leah]

So very much deep south central Texas, praise God. But I am here with this group and one of the things that they want to do and encourage other artists to do is be, I would say salt and light. That's very Jesus Bible centered Bible dog whistle if you will, but be salt and light in their artist community, wherever they're from.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And how does, like, logistically speaking, how does one be salt and light?

[Leah]

Yeah. So I would say it looks like being a safe person to bring hard questions to.

[Ryan Seacrest]

A safe person to bring hard questions to. Yeah, I love, I love that. That's great.

[Leah]

And a safe place to grieve and to mourn.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Leah]

I was talking to your bosom buddy over there. Oh, my gosh. Angry doggo. But. And we just talked about how you guys have been in the arts communist community since you were small.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, yeah. Me and Ephraim. Shout out Ephraim behind the camera. We've been making movies together since at least 12 years ago, something like that. 12, 13, 15 years ago. Yeah. So we've been at it for a while.

[Leah]

So what we were talking about is I asked him if his experience of the arts community. I keep mixing community and ministry, but I'm gonna stick to community of arts was positive or negative, because depending on the vein that you're in and the place that you're in in that arts community, it can be really detrimental, really poisonous, almost. I'm a musician by trade, and training, and musicians can be really harsh and mean.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Leah]

I think anytime there is a space where you're asked and responsible for bringing a gift that comes from inside of you, there's such an insecurity. And some people can turn towards, to be frank, bullying.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Leah]

And putting people down to make themselves feel worthy for the gifts that they've been given.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Leah]

And I think my experience with arts ministry in that space has been just communicating, you are enough. Like, this gift is beautiful, not because it's better than anybody else's, but because it's a gift.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let me ask you this question. What do you. What's your opinion? Okay. So you're familiar with the tortured artist trope. Yeah. And people. There's a lot of people out there who. Their whole thing is. They. They have made a successful career out of hating themselves into being better. And I. Look, I've. I've fell victim to that. I know a lot of people. That's. Their modest operandi is like, if I keep hating myself and I keep believing I'm not enough, I will. That's gonna motivate me, propel me forward, and, like, look undeniable. You cannot deny.

[Leah]

Yeah. That has. Part of the hero's journey.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That has. Is part of the hero's journey has resulted in a lot of great art. But you seem as though. You seem like a person who comes and at these things from a much more positive place. Yeah. And how does. What do you think about the sort of tortured artist way of doing things and maybe somebody who's listening, who tries to hate themselves into submission. What would you say to them about perhaps an alternative path?

[Leah]

Yeah. I would say you're loved and you're beautiful just the way that you are. I would say that, that is absolutely normal. It is absolutely normal to experience self deprecating thoughts, to experience the deep and abiding insecurity that. Yeah. Would cause you to hate your own experience because it hurts. You're not crazy. Yeah. You're not so broken that you won't find community. But I would say that from a Jesus perspective, here we go. Here it goes. That's not what he wants. That's not why he gave you that gift. He gave you the gift to enjoy and to be enjoyed.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Leah]

And hopefully you find a community where that is your experience, even if you don't agree with Jesus as a whole or Christianity. I get it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sure. Well, here's, well, here's the funny thing is when you say because like a lot of these, like, tenants and values, even if you, you know, you're an atheist and you don't necessarily believe in like, you know, God or spirituality, you can sub it in as like, that is good advice.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, even if you don't like believe in Jesus, it is good advice to be like, hey, if you have a talent or you have a thing you like doing, it's okay to just enjoy doing it and enjoy the process and not, you know, fucking hate yourself.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, because that's what whatever your idea of a higher power that exists in the universe wants.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, like, even if you are the higher power.

[Leah]

Yeah. Why would you want to hate yourself?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, that's a good question.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Tabitha, I have, I have one final question.

[Leah]

Okay, I'm ready.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you think about Bitcoin?

[Leah]

What is it? Where does it go? And, and will it matter in 20 years?

[Ryan Seacrest]

All great questions that perhaps one day we will find the answers to. Tabitha, thank you very much for chatting. I appreciate it.

[Leah]

Thank you so much.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Have a good rest of the day. Appreciate. Do I plug anything? You can plug us up if you want. Jesus plug Jesus. Where can we follow? Somebody has the Jesus Instagram handle, Right. Like, is he.

[Leah]

I have no idea. Is he on his.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Someone write in. Oh, this dog is so cute. That is a cute dog. Sorry for the audio listeners. They can't see this dog. It's precious. It's, it's, it's covered in fluff. Glitter.

[Leah]

Glitter.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's a good dog.

[Leah]

Golden, but yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Beautiful. Thank you, Tabitha. Thank you. Here, we can fist bump. We can fist bump. Bye, Tabitha. Bye. That was a great conversation. It is funny for those who listen on the podcast because last we had shout out Anthony, who I still believe in, by the way. I know he got a lot of negative comments. But, Anthony, if you're watching this, I still believe in you, but it is nice to get some alternative perspectives on the same thing. All right, let's keep talking to folks. What's your name? Doug.

[Eli]

It's Eli.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Eli. How you doing? Nice to meet you. What's. What's. What's. What's going on? Eli, how's. What brings you to the park today?

[Eli]

I don't know, bro. I just been here on a trip, and we just happened to cross by. I don't even think we were supposed to be here. We just happened to come back to regroup with everyone. Like, you can see behind the camera and all that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, holy fucking.

[Eli]

That's a lot of people, right?

[Matt]

Oh, wow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Who. Who. Who are all these people? Who's the. For the. Those listening on audio or actually even on video, There's a group of about four. This is not 40. This is about 25 people. Who are. Who are these people? Who are these folks?

[Eli]

My friends, People that come to school with me, you know, people that, like, I. I spend a lot of time with. I know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's right. And.

[Eli]

And my teachers.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, your teacher. What. What. What, like, level of school is this?

[Eli]

Like, 10th grade? It's like a charter school, right? Yeah, charter school.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, okay. So. So you're. So you're in 10th grade?

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. How's. How's 10th grade? What's going on in. In the high school universe?

[Eli]

Pretty chill. You know, you just got to worry about your grades and all that, but. And that's. It's cool. It's cool.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What, do you have aspirations for the future?

[Eli]

What's the aspiration?

[Ryan Seacrest]

An aspiration is, like, something you want to do.

[Eli]

Oh. Like, hopefully go to college and all that, you know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Cool.

[Eli]

Study for what I want to be in, maybe, like, finances or, like, things like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nice. Do you want to make a lot of money?

[Eli]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you. What do you. Do you have, like, a thing you want to buy more than anything else?

[Eli]

Oh, like a BMW.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Really? Want to buy a. Buy BMW. That's cool. What about. What would you. What would you do if you had, like, $10 million? What would your life look like?

[Eli]

You know, first, I'd probably help all my people out. I'm gonna be for real, too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nice.

[Eli]

And then, like, after that, well, obviously there's gonna be something left, so I'm gonna worry about myself and just, like, preserve the rest of the money and how to, like, stay with the money, like, more of it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Cool.

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. I have A question. You. You have a piece of paper in your hands.

[Eli]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Can I see what this piece of paper is? I'm gonna read it. Oh, you took. Oh, okay. This isn't.

[Eli]

Yeah, he's pretty cool.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wanted for good behavior.

[Eli]

Like the one. I'm like, the third one right there.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, this is. Oh, wait, you're. Oh, you're in this. Yeah.

[Matt]

It's so cool.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, this is a picture. Why. Okay. It says, washington Square, wanted for good behavior.

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Is that. So that's you. You're wanted for good behavior.

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How did you. How did you. Here you go. How did you get to become wanted for good behavior? What kind of good behavior have you been?

[Eli]

I don't know. I just tried to be nicer to, like, everyone around me whenever they talk to me and all that. That's cool, you know, Positive energy and needs to be. Spread it a lot has.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Does anyone ever push your buttons? Is that, like, what. Like, what does someone have to do to really get to you?

[Eli]

Oh, annoy me, bug me, step in my shoes. I'm like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right. Well, let's see, I guess. Oh, I. I'm curious. All these people here.

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Why? It's, like, noon, right?

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Why aren't you guys in class?

[Eli]

Oh, this is a school field trip. Like, you know that they took us here off, like, an educational thing, like a field lesson.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do I have to give you a permission slip to be on here?

[Eli]

Do they have to?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Well, I don't. I don't have that, so we're just gonna have to.

[Eli]

I was too late for that. I mean, it's pretty cool. You know, it's. It's like the second one I've really been on because we did one last year.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Where'd you go? You go to the science center in.

[Eli]

It was, like, an eighth grade. We went to, like, Houston, then San Antonio. It was pretty cool to, like, the zoo and all that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Cool.

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do you. Are you one of those people? My final question for you. Are you one of those folks you're like, yeah, I'm vibing with high school. Life's great. Or are you. Are you like, I can't wait to get out of here and be, like, a real person.

[Eli]

Really? Really. It's. Which is, like, it depends on what kind of mood I'm in. Like, yeah, sometimes I just. I just like where I'm at right now. And then sometimes I just, like, worry about the future ahead. You feel me? And, like, I just want to get. Get to the money, really. Fast. You know, to me, that's like one of the more important things in my life.

[Ryan Seacrest]

To get money.

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you into. Are you into crypto?

[Eli]

Nah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're not into or not?

[Eli]

I am. Like, I don't know how to do none of that, so, like, I'm not gonna do something. I don't know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know what I think, based on what you just said, you have a strong financial future ahead of you. Yeah.

[Eli]

So, like. But do you, like, live here in New York or.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Me? Yeah. Yeah, I live here. Sometimes I'm here sometimes. I'm in various deserts, forests, and coal mountain slopes.

[Eli]

So you travel a lot?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I've traveled a fair, I guess.

[Eli]

Like, so it's like. It's like this everywhere you go.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you mean, like this?

[Eli]

Like, you just set up the chairs and you like, bow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Set up chairs, chat with people, hang out. It's just nice to. I swear, my life. I'm just doing. I don't know why I need to do so much to just like. I'm mainly just doing this to get out of the house.

[Eli]

Like, why? You got, like, strict rules in your house or, like, strict rules in the house? Yeah, like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, it's just if I'm. If I'm in the house for too long, I start to. I start to melt, you know, I start to spiral. Think about crazy shit. Yeah, you do. The. Yesterday. I was. Yesterday I was just thinking. I was. I was in my house for too long, I started thinking about. I started wondering whether or not my dad was real.

[Eli]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Eli]

Everything about crazy stuff. I kind of have that problem too, you know? You know, you, like, do something with yourself. You feel me?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Or else to start questioning reality. But listen, I want you to. Right now, about 70. I'm at least 78% sure that this is all real right now. And that's pretty good. And I appreciate you sitting down and chat with me. What's your name? One more time?

[Eli]

Eli.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Eli. Eli. Is there anything else you want to say? The people, the computer before we go?

[Eli]

It's gonna be on Tick Tock and all that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Maybe. I don't know. I might. I might not doing it. I might just. I might never post this. No, I'm probably gonna post it on. As a podcast and stuff. Why? You want to just try and shout yourself out or something?

[Eli]

I just want to be on Tick Tock so, like, people could see me. That'll be cool.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You went on YouTube? Yeah.

[Eli]

Oh, YouTube. YouTube.

[Ryan Seacrest]

School too.

[Eli]

Yeah, I like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's cool.

[Eli]

All right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right. Take care of your life. Bye. Bye. How's it going? Hey, what's up? What's your name?

[Trinity]

Trinity.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Trinity. Trinity, that's a wonderful name. Trinity Rain. Yeah. What's up? Trinity Rain? Trinity Rain, I got a question for you. Okay. What's been the most persistent thought on your mind lately? What have you been thinking about?

[Leah]

Um.

[Trinity]

If there's life on other planets.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

And if they're aware of us or if it mimics what we do in our daily lives, or if they're just aliens and I don't know, they don't care.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Have you come to any hypotheses, conclusions on this?

[Trinity]

I do believe that there's life on other planets, but I don't know if they're aware of us and they just think we're so minimalistic they don't care to interact, or if they also aren't aware and don't have the means of reaching out to us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I was reading an article once, and it said something that kind of blew my mind. It was like, even if there is, like, life, like, consciousness is like a spectrum, and so we aren't like the final most conscious beings on Earth, but. And we. But we're on a spectrum, which means that, like, we're more conscious than a chicken. Right. But there almost inevitably exists something that's more conscious than. Than us. Yeah. But we can't understand them any more than, like, a chicken can understand the context of our world. This is. Isn't that crazy?

[Trinity]

Very crazy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

What do you believe? Are you an atheist?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't know if I, like, I don't know. I don't know. I. I think I was like, yeah, we're just all going on the ground and whatever. There's too much that I've accepted. There's too much that I don't know to make a claim. Make a claim of any kind. So I'm just gonna, you know, be a gecko and run around. I'm just gonna try to do my best on this, whatever I'm experiencing right now. But I was thinking. I was like, oh, you know, we just go in the ground and that's it. Yeah, but consciousness is a trip, and there's got there. I wouldn't be surprised if there was something more to it. But there's also. I was dead for most of life, and I'll be dead for most of eternity. But maybe, you know, the whole, like. And I'm going on such a rant right now, but the whole, like, energy can't be created nor Destroyed. So, like, I don't know, maybe I'll. Maybe I'll be a. Maybe I'll be like one of the trees at the Rainforest Cafe that talks. You know the one I'm talking about with the eyes.

[Trinity]

I think you're thinking too small. I think there's maybe a whole other planet filled with geckos who are waiting for you to come back home. And that's where you departed from.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, man.

[Trinity]

Because I questioned what made you want to be a gecko in the first place.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, today, what made me want to be a gecko was to have fun, get out of the house and chat with folks and feel grounded, you know?

[Trinity]

Is that what you want your legacy to be? Essentially, you just.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm not obsessed with legacy, because legacy is like, no one cares really about anyone or anything, even people who have legacy. Like Abraham. How many times a year do you think about Abraham Lincoln?

[Trinity]

I had a seventh grade teacher who made me memorize, like, four score and years ago, the Gettysburg Address.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The Gettysburg Address.

[Trinity]

And I had to perform in front of the class, so you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And that. But since that's objective, since then, how many times a day do you think about Abraham Lincoln?

[Trinity]

Zero.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Zero. Nobody gives. No one really gives a shit about him.

[Trinity]

That's very true.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Everyone knows who he is. Vaguely. Nobody, really. So his legacy didn't. I'm not gonna say Abraham Lincoln didn't matter. He did some stuff. But, like, you can't be thinking too much about how people are gonna think about you when you're gone, because ultimately nobody's really thinking about you at all, ever. Even if you're Abraham Lincoln.

[Trinity]

Yeah. What are you gonna do?

[Tabitha]

You're gone.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're gone.

[Trinity]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you do here in New York?

[Trinity]

I'm studying film and television.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I studied film and television. Really?

[Trinity]

Film major?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you. Not to put a damper on anything, but are you afraid of graduation?

[Trinity]

I guess so, in a sense, yes. But I'd rather do what I love, you know, than succumb to a job that I hate clocking into every day because I feel like I would just end my shit. So I'd rather be happy while I'm struggling.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Than what? What do you want to do? What's your dream film thing?

[Trinity]

Writing, directing, character driven dramas, things like that. But I really like studying people, characters, things like that. I feel like life imitates art, you know? You and yourself are a character, you know? And I have a question for you, especially on Tik Tok. Do you not break out from getting the green face paint all the time?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, I break out from eating shitty. I break out from having McDonald's every day. I don't break the makeup. Is there. Here's. There's a lot of variables as to why I might have acne. And I'm gonna say that the makeup is.

[Trinity]

Is not part of it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Not part of it.

[Trinity]

Okay, interesting.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

Good to know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Appreciate that. What's it like being at nyu? Is there like, how's the community? How's the film scene?

[Trinity]

It's pretty cool. I'm very grateful to even be there, especially because I have a scholarship. But that does make me feel like certain people I can't mesh with because they're in a completely different tax bracket than me. So I just like sitting back and observing sometimes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, do they make you want. Cause all right. I went to film school, and I had a professor at film school who was. I think he was about 98 years old, and he was like, okay, everyone watch. We're gonna watch Birth of a Nation by. Something Griffith, I think.

[Trinity]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And we're all sitting there like, what the fuck are we paying tens of thousands of dollars? What are we doing here?

[Trinity]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And is it still like that? Is it still, still, like. Everyone's like, what are we doing here?

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

Certain times. I remember vividly last semester we watched like a three hour film in a foreign language with no subtitles.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

And we were supposed to focus on the camera work, but I just had this moment of like, what am I watching? Why am I here?

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know?

[Trinity]

Would I be better somewhere else?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

You know, are you from.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you from New York?

[Trinity]

Would you guess that. What vibe do I give regionally?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I. I'm gonna guess I wouldn't be surprised if you. Oh, wait, you're wearing an NFL hat of some kind. Is that the Broncos?

[Trinity]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't know.

[Trinity]

Denver, Colorado.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're from Denver? Denver Rocks, man. Yeah.

[Trinity]

Ever been?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I've been. I go to. I've pretty much been to Denver like four or five times.

[Trinity]

Really? What brings you there?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I've done, like, some shows there. I've gone there just to hang out. I. And I've probably talked about this on the podcast before, but the first time I went to Denver, yeah. I stayed at the most awesome airbnb of all time. It was. Yeah, it was called Hostel Kush. And it's like if the guy who sold you weed in high school turned his house into a hotel.

[Trinity]

Nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And you're just like, in a basement with a bunch of People like smoking blunts inside.

[Trinity]

Nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's pretty awesome.

[Trinity]

Very Denver.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Shout out, Hostel, Kush. I don't know if they're still around, but. Yeah. What. What's. What are you. Do you miss Denver?

[Trinity]

No, no. No. I miss the mountains, but I feel like I like New York a lot better.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

There's more for me here, I would say, but that's subjective.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. There's less isolation.

[Trinity]

Yeah. Yeah. There's more community here, I would say.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's cool. Yeah. You're making friends in college.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

Trying to. Yes. And succeeding.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Have you made any enemies?

[Trinity]

Maybe. I don't know if they would call me their enemy, but there are some people who I'm like, okay, you were raised very differently than I was.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, but have you felt like. Have you felt the presence of any shade? Have you felt as though.

[Trinity]

Have I felt the presence of shade?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

Yes, I have. Yes, I have.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well. And, you know, like, we're not naming names. We're not getting specific, but what is it that makes you feel shade?

[Trinity]

I feel like people see me and they might assume that I'm less competent than them because I'm in a different tax bracket or because I'm a girl or because, you know, I'm black. And I feel like. I don't know, I don't want to think too much into it, so I try not to read into it. But I do feel like some people, like, mansplain certain things to me, and they're like, well, yeah, the Matrix was a movie centered around. And I'm like, my name is Trinity. Like, I've seen the Matrix before.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, you know, why does all the Western name being Trinity mean I've never seen the Matrix? By the way, is there a character in it named Trinity? Oh, okay.

[Trinity]

So a lot of film bros associate my name with the Matrix, and then, okay, they try to mansplain certain things to me, but I don't know. I don't take that as necessarily offensive.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's going on with the film bros? Like, who. Who are the film bros these days?

[Trinity]

What's going on with the film bros? That's a great question that I might.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's their. What's their movie? Because I had a big. I was a film bride. A big poster of Pulp Fiction in my. In my dorm room.

[Trinity]

So your descendants are still active today?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. And are we still worshiping Pulp Fiction? Quentin, is the poster still around?

[Trinity]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Have you been in a dorm room and seen Pulp Fiction posters?

[Trinity]

I have.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That makes me as happy as it makes me Sad, really?

[Trinity]

You're a Pulp Fiction fan?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I haven't seen it a long time, but, you know, it's a good. It was kind of fun to have it be like my identity for a little bit.

[Trinity]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

Pulp Fiction, American Psycho, Fight Club. Those are the top three film, bro. Fanatic.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do you fuck with those movies?

[Trinity]

I mean, they're not bad, but I don't worship them. I don't have them printed out on every side of my dorm room to say.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do you have a movie or a thing printed out on every side of your dorm room?

[Trinity]

No, but I do like Sean Baker, the Florida Project and Nora. I like that sort of genre of filmmaking, but.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Cool, cool. All right. Final. Final thing, final answer. What's. Do you have a movie in the works if people. What's. You had two names. Trinity.

[Trinity]

Trinity Rain.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Trinity Rain. So if people. People are gonna. This is the. Of the. Of the to be famous film director Trinity Rain. What, what, what's, what's. What's the. What's the idea that people can be excited to see on the screen from you soon?

[Trinity]

Well, I write and direct. I really like, you know, character driven dramas. And I'm just casting people all over from New York. You don't have to act. I love people who actually admit the character that I'm writing. So sometimes I might make a film and write a certain character into it. But I mean, am I okay to plug my Instagram?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I gotta plug away. Go crazy. Okay.

[Trinity]

Trin 2. Like the number two cosmic. Trin 2 cosmic on Instagram, if you care. My page is not as cool as the real Gecko.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You gotta get. And I, by the. Hold on. I'm about to give really hypocritical advice.

[Trinity]

Okay, I'm listening.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But you gotta get a less up username because once you. Because once you start having to be like, it's Trinity with. There's a period here and there's a two and there's an underscore. Mine is Lyle, for I always have to go. It's Lyle forever. But the four is a four.

[Trinity]

Yeah. You know, but throws them off a little bit.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Trinity. Is Trinity Grace taken. I mean, Trinity. I don't know why I keep saying Trinity Rain.

[Trinity]

I was looking at that today. Every variation is taken. There's one girl who has Trinity Rain, but she hasn't been active in like five, 10 years.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Trinity]

So I wanted to find her business email and be like, I will cash app you just for the rights to that username. Yeah, she's gone. She's a ghost.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, what about Rain Wilson?

[Trinity]

Rain Wilson? Where does the Wilson come from?

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, from the office.

[Trinity]

Ah, maybe. But it was that imposter. Like, am I impersonating, would you think? Cuz that's not me. I'm not Wilson. What do you think? My last question for you. What do you think my username should be?

[Ryan Seacrest]

What I think your username should be?

[Trinity]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Trinity Rain Wilson. Okay, I bet that's not taken. I bet that's not taken. I bet Trinity Rainn Wilson is not. All right, so you can follow her on Trinity T. Trinity, but with twos instead of the entities. Yes. Or. And if she's not there, maybe she changed it to Trinity Rain Wilson.

[Trinity]

I don't know. I'll let you know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Trinity Rain. Thank you very much. Bye. Trinity Rain. Of course. Have a seat. Hello, sir. Have a. Have a. Have a seat. Have a seat. All right. What is your name?

[Matt]

My name is Sava.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sava? Yeah. What's the origin of that?

[Matt]

It's from Serbia. I'm from Serbia.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, cool. All right. Were you born there?

[Matt]

No, I was born in Florida.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Matt]

But my parents are Serbian.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, Saba, can you do me a favor? Hold it like, a little bit closer. Yeah, there we go.

[Matt]

And then I. I moved to Serbia when I was nine years old.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's life like in Serbia?

[Matt]

It's really good. It's actually very peaceful right now. We're having some problems with corruption. There's a lot of protests going on.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Matt]

But usually it's very nice, actually.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So I guess coming from. I'm curious about this. Not to get into a bunch of shit, but I am curious coming from a place that is having, like, its own issues with, like, corruption and the government and, like, protests and stuff. Do you look at America like, that's nothing, or do you look at America like, oh, you guys, I see what's. Some shit's going down.

[Matt]

Yeah, I think there's shit going down here. I think the difference is here they do it somehow, like legally. Let's say, for example, lobbying. Yeah, it's like, you know, a corporation sponsors a politician to push their agenda, whereas there, it's like, you know, a guy pays the guy under the table so he can illegally construct a building or something.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So we're doing the same thing that's going on in Serbia, but we're doing it. We've created a system where it's legal in a way.

[Matt]

I say that. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What brought you here to the States?

[Matt]

I came here for modeling and acting.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Modeling and Acting?

[Matt]

Yes, sir.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. That's pretty cool. What. How's the modeling industry?

[Matt]

It's good. The modeling industry. It's. It's interesting. Yeah. I guess it varies from different perspectives. I would say that I. I didn't really, like. If I could put it in two ways. There's the guy who wanted to be a girl, who wanted to be a model, and then so they take it very serious. And then there's also the ones that got stopped on the street and kind of got into it, and then they don't take it as serious.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And which one is you?

[Matt]

The second one.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Second one. Okay, so the one who doesn't take it as serious.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I feel like you can see in the face. Like, you can see in the face of the model who's the most serious. Because if someone's doing like a real serious model face, like they're posing for Vogue or whatever.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But like, if someone like. Like I was in Target and the people wearing those clothes, they're just laughing. There's. You can tell they're having a good time.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, I know it's posed that way. I do still believe that they're just. They just were having a good time when they were smiling and laughing.

[Matt]

Yeah. Target pays probably much higher than those high fashion brands pay, surprisingly. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What kind of. What kind of, like, clients have you modeled for?

[Matt]

I've modeled for a few. I'd say my. The one that I take the most pride in would be Polo. Ralph Lauren model for Polo? Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Did they give you free shit?

[Matt]

Everybody asked that. No, free underwear. Because I came in boxers and they were like, you know, you can't be wearing random boxers. Okay, so they give you, like, you know, polo underwear. But no, but the people who do work for them get a 50% discount. But. But I technically am like a freelance, so. So I technically don't.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So. So what's your hinge look like? Does it crash your phone every time you open it?

[Matt]

Actually, I haven't had hinge in a long time. I'm gonna show you something. I think you'll like this.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. Please.

[Matt]

This is my phone.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You have a clam for those. Listen for those on. On audio. This. This guy is a bedazzled flip phone.

[Tabitha]

Wow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Holy shit. Is that. And that's what you've been rocking with? That's what I've been rocking with the bedazzled flip float.

[Matt]

I think it's about four months now. I do. I don't wanna, you know, say I don't have. I Do have an Android phone at home when I need to use Instagram and stu have it, but this is what I carry around for my everyday use.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow.

[Matt]

And yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And so what made you decide to downgrade or get a second phone?

[Matt]

I think the main thing was, was actually a little bit of nostalgia because when I was younger in Serbia, I had a Nokia and I also bedazzled it, and I just kind of missed that era of when I was. When I was a kid and I didn't really care about. About, you know, those certain things.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And so I decided to go back to it. This one, though, it has touchscreen. It has Google Maps, WhatsApp and email. So I can still get my work done without, you know, having to use a smartphone.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That one has Google Maps.

[Matt]

It does.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's touchscreen. That seems so annoying to use Google Maps. How do you type on it? Is it like you actually have to hit, like, 1, 2, 3?

[Matt]

You can do 1, 2, 3, but it's touchscreen as well. So you can. You can do, like, the little keypad.

[Ryan Seacrest]

On the touchscreen, but no Instagram, no Reddit, no porn.

[Matt]

No Reddit. Well, you could probably watch porn on it, but it has Google. But I personally don't watch porn on my flip phone.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Good for you. Now what. How do you. Do you feel. Because a lot of people, they have the fear, myself included, of like, okay, if I'm not carrying around my phone with me at all times, how am I going to be connected to the world? Yeah, how do you. But okay, so you have a skateboard, right?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you. So you're a skater?

[Matt]

Yes, sir.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Is the skate world just like, if I show up to this physical location, I know that there will be friends and people I know.

[Matt]

That is kind of exactly what it's. What it's like, you know, shout out to skateboarding. Because wherever I've traveled in the world, if I brought my skateboard with me, I was able to meet a local person. I was able to be introduced to the culture, to the cool spots. And I think if I didn't have a skateboard, it would be harder to integrate into certain, you know, places when I visited them.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So that's what you need. Everyone needs their metaphorical skateboard.

[Matt]

Yep.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, that can kind of connect you wherever you go.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because whatever your, like, hobby is, it's cool because it's. I mean, most hobbies are kind of represented around the world, whether it's like, fucking, you know, kickball or whatever. And you kind of find your way to pick your spots in it. How long you been skating for?

[Matt]

About eight years.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How have you fucked. You're gotten fucked up.

[Matt]

I've gotten fucked up. Thank God I haven't broken anything. But. But yeah, I mean, every single time I go out, I get a little fucked up. The. The worst thing so far I've got fucked up is my back. Yeah, it's still a little bit fucked up now, but. Yeah, only. Only, like, twisted ankles where I'm out for, like, two months and stuff like that. But surprisingly, it. It's kind of nice, you know, when you fall, it's. It's. It's hard to explain it, but sometimes you're just so full of shit, and you go out on your skateboard and it beats you up, and it kind of puts you back in your place.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Yeah. You've had that part where you're like, I'm gonna do. Everyone watch this. I'm gonna do a backflip and your skateboards, like. Nope.

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah. Usually it's when I see a group of cute girls, for example, and then. And then it's. I won't even try anything crazy, but, you know, karma or whatever you want to call it, just. Just kicks in, and then you just spill right in front of them and then kind of get a little embarrassed and put in your place. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How's your dating life in New York?

[Matt]

Yeah, it's not that good.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No? Are you, like. Are you on. Going on dates or anything?

[Matt]

Yeah, I've been on. Actually, I was supposed to go on a date two days ago.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Matt]

It was a very nice day that we plan to go to the botanical gardens.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow.

[Matt]

Which are beautiful. I met the girl here in Washington Square park, and last minute, she did this weird thing. She sent me a message. She said, let's play a game with the universe. Are you ready for this? Play a game with the universe. We're not gonna go on the date tomorrow, but if we see each other again in the streets, then it's meant to be. And I was. And, you know, I tried to take it like. Like she was trying to be cool. But then somebody told me no. She just didn't know how to, like, say no. So she. She used that excuse. I don't know which one it is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's. That's an awesome line.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let's play a game with the universe. If we see each other again, it's meant to be.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. But she's going to get fudge because what if she sees you again?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let's play Another. Another game with each other a third time.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. And I'm wearing a pink hat.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I happen to be wearing a pink hat.

[Matt]

Then. Then it's meant to be.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I don't know. But then my friend, he told me, he said, you should value yourself and not really let it get to. And then he came last minute. He clocked out of his job. Shout out, Rafa. He clocked out of his job and came with me to the botanical garden. So I didn't go alone because I bought the tickets and everything, so.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow, you got. You got. Dude, the sketch is Rafa.

[Matt]

He's a skater.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Community seems like it looks out for each other.

[Matt]

We do. We try to. You know, I mean, as in every community, sometimes, you know, you get. You get a douchebag here and there, but. But mostly we're cool guys who kind of, you know, you know, there's. It's nice. It's nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So I'll ask you a couple more questions before I get out of here. What's your. What's your dream in life, sir? What do you want to do with yourself?

[Matt]

Well, actually, I was listening to the last girl. I also want to do writing and make a movie is kind of my dream. Let's just say, mate, make one movie.

[Ryan Seacrest]

One movie. Yeah, they're actually. Are you familiar with the movie? A Serbian film?

[Matt]

Oh, my God. Don't ever watch that. Don't ever watch that movie. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, you can.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Make a Serbian film, too. And it's just people hugging for an hour and a half.

[Matt]

That's a. That's a really good idea, actually, because, you know, if you can imagine the opposite of people hugging for an hour and a half, that's kind of a.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Good way to explain the opposite of people hugging for an hour and a half.

[Matt]

Well, yeah, in the worst type of a way.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a good. Not a good movie at all. But. But, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nice, man. Well, let's see. How long have we been going for? 42. Okay.

[Matt]

You got a time limit on this?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, I'm. I'm trying to get to an hour, I would say.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. I feel like I have more things I want to ask you.

[Matt]

How about mom against marijuana?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah, I'm a mom against marijuana. Are you a weed guy?

[Matt]

You know, I smoke weed. Lately, I haven't been smoking as much because. And this is a shared experience with a lot of people that I've heard is at one point, it stopped making them feel giggly and happy, and it started Making them feel, like, paranoid and anxious.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You haven't gotten there yet.

[Matt]

No, I did get there, which is why I took it down a little bit. But, for example, when it comes to things like writing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I feel like it helps me sometimes. Really? So I'll, like, I'm more of a. When I get home and I'm alone, I'll smoke a spliff.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And it helps you.

[Matt]

Yeah, sometimes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's really cool. When I was in high school and college and still a little bit now, I had. Because you. You see, like, Seth Rogen and, like, Snoop Dogg and Kevin Smith and all these guys who. And you have this thought in your head that's so dumb, where you're like, I'm gonna get high. And then I will magic. And then because I got high, I will magically effortless, effortlessly create something awesome.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You realize it doesn't.

[Matt]

It doesn't. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And then you get high. You just get anxious and.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And go to sleep.

[Matt]

Yeah. Or, you know, it's up there somewhere, but you can't write it out because you're just so high. It's just like, you know. Yeah, but. But it doesn't even work.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It works. It works.

[Matt]

It works for me. It's more of a. Like, to get the idea where. Then when I actually want to get down and write, it's more like in the morning, drink a coffee and write it. But. But for the idea. I like to get high.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You ever get high and model? Or are you like, why are my thumbs lately?

[Matt]

No, when I was. When I was younger, I would. When I first got into it, I would smoke. Like, on the lunch break, I'd smoke little spliff. But then again, then it didn't hit me like that. Then it would just be like, you know, I would just kind of be there. It wasn't that bad. Now I feel like if I were to get high at a job, I would definitely be like, you know, does this guy know I'm high? Am I doing something wrong? You know what I mean? I'd be way up in my head, and it wouldn't be good at all.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Where can the people. Where can the people find you? Do you want the people to find you?

[Matt]

Yeah, I guess you can find me. My name is Sava. S A V A. My last. My last name is kind of Hard. Suvacharov. S U V A C A R O V. And that's my. My Instagram. My modeling Instagram. But, yeah, I mean, if you want to find me you can, but I'm trying to actually do a transition to. To writing and acting. So if you need an actor, you can find me. If you need a model, maybe you can find someone else.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, what's your name?

[Matt]

What's your name?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm Lyle.

[Matt]

Lyle.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah, you said it when you said the. Your Instagram name.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's okay. You just said your name. And I asked you. I have. I have pretty bad a short term memory.

[Matt]

You think it's from smoking weed?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Probably.

[Matt]

Probably. Yeah. Yeah. You ever did mushrooms before?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, but I'm trying to. I'm trying to be just a coffee guy now.

[Matt]

Really?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, coffee and Reese's Cups. Reese's cup, but that's it for me.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's good.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nice to meet you.

[Matt]

Thank you, man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Have a good rest of your entire life, brother.

[Matt]

You too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

See you, Savva. Let's see who wants to come sit down here, Have a seat. You. The people couldn't hear it, but she just said, oh, my God, this is so fancy.

[Nikki Glaser]

I mean, I wasn't expecting like a whole setup.

[Ryan Seacrest]

This is not. I'm. If. If this is your. I gotta say, if this is your, like, what's the word? What's the word? Barometer for fancy, then you're gonna have an awesome life. You're easy to make happy, it would seem.

[Nikki Glaser]

I. I appreciate that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's your name?

[Nikki Glaser]

I'm Hannah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hannah. Lyle.

[Nikki Glaser]

Lyle.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nice to meet you. What's. What's. What's the worst thing in the world right now, you think? What's. What's horrible? What's horrible?

[Nikki Glaser]

I don't want to actually talk about it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. All right, all right.

[Nikki Glaser]

Probably politics, right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. What's. What's going on with you, Hannah?

[Nikki Glaser]

I have a lot of midterms this week, so I'm.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm.

[Nikki Glaser]

I'm drowning in work.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. You don't have to do it.

[Nikki Glaser]

What? Hit midterms. Yeah, I mean, you're right. I don't. I don't have to do anything.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You don't have to do. You don't have to do anything. Yeah, you can just lay. You know what I've always wondered is, like, all right, you see like, that spot over there? About, like, sometimes I'll do that. I'll be like, how long could I just stand there before I'm physically removed? And then where are they gonna. Physically how? Like, if you decide to stiffen up, right? Like, eventually the police will come to move you or whatever, but then wherever they move you, what if you just stiffen up there. Like, how. How long can you actually literally not do anything? I guess eventually you starve to death.

[Nikki Glaser]

But I guess so. But I guess that's what I'm kind of trying right now, here, sitting with you instead of studying.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So what. What do you study?

[Nikki Glaser]

Economics.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, are we, like, from your. Like, from, like, a textbook analysis? Because I've never read an economics textbook.

[Nikki Glaser]

Maybe in the, like, next decade, I'd say. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not. I'm a sophomore. I don't know anything.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. You think we're. For the next decade, but maybe after that we'll be. Okay.

[Nikki Glaser]

I'll keep a. I'll keep a poll, and I'm gonna. I'll keep track of what's going on.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So you into tariffs? Should we do tariffs?

[Nikki Glaser]

Oh, I heard that's a political tactic for. Do you listen to the Daily?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No.

[Nikki Glaser]

You should listen to the Daily.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's a political tactic.

[Nikki Glaser]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, so he. So he's got a strategy.

[Nikki Glaser]

Yeah, it's. It's like. I mean, it's like, economic.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wait, all right, so he's not just. He's not just doing random shit? You think he's got, like, a plan?

[Nikki Glaser]

Well, wait, I'm not. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But I listened to a good daily podcast about it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. Yeah, that's cool. We can just repeat what was going on on that podcast.

[Nikki Glaser]

I'm gonna spread misinformation, so that's.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, look, this is the perfect podcast to spread misinformation on, because anyone who takes any information from this show and then goes out and it's like, I learned what tariffs are from the Talking Gecko show. No, it's like, all right, well, you fucked yourself anyway.

[Nikki Glaser]

I really don't.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't.

[Nikki Glaser]

I don't want to be the one to give the false information.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you do with your time away from economics?

[Nikki Glaser]

You know, I actually came out here to journal.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Nikki Glaser]

Doing that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You've been journaling a lot?

[Nikki Glaser]

Like, I just started, and I'm getting into, like, Pilates, which is like. Everyone's doing that, I guess.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What. What do you. What do you plan to journal about today?

[Nikki Glaser]

Probably how stressed I am about my test coming up.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Nikki Glaser]

But this is a good. This is a good outlet, too, I guess.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Nikki Glaser]

Alternative.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. What? I'm also avid journaler. I've been journaling for, like, eight years. I got, like, eight years of journals. And here's the problem with journals is that journals call you out In a very specific way. Because what's gonna is if you journal long enough, something very scary happens. Okay. So. Well, okay, well, it's a double edged sword. It's a double edged sword because you'll read a journal from five years ago, okay. And, and it's a double edged sword. You'll be like, oh, this thing that I was dealing. Like you were stressed out about midterms, right? And then five years later you're like, I was stressed out about midterms. My life, my problems are way worse now. You know what I mean? Like I can't even believe that this thing. But then that's kind of good because now you understand the pattern of like whatever I'm stressed out about now, five years, right. Right from then.

[Nikki Glaser]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I won't even give a shit about.

[Nikki Glaser]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But here's where it's bad is you'll be like, okay, five years ago you'll say to yourself like I want to change these things about my life. And if you're. It'll call you out cuz you'll be like, you'll look back and be like, oh crap, I still have these issues from five years ago. Some of them linger, but some of them will change and go away.

[Nikki Glaser]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But it's good to have some documentation of what was bothering you or what you wanted at some point in your life and then compare it to your life now.

[Nikki Glaser]

I also think it, it's a, I think overall it's a positive thing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's a positive thing. It's good.

[Nikki Glaser]

And like when you look back on it, it's like, oh, it gives you more ease because you'll know that like whatever you're going through through later, like oh, this is not going to be as significant to me the next year or something.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right, right, right, right.

[Nikki Glaser]

So I don't know, I have to try it out and I'll wait five years and see if that works. But yeah, I don't know. Nothing has happened yet. So I'll try, I'll try, I'll try today to journal. But yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right. So are tariffs good or bad? This is going to be on the test.

[Nikki Glaser]

Can I give a no answer please?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Can you give a no. Oh, a no answer. Okay, you plead the fifth.

[Nikki Glaser]

I'm afraid I'm gonna say something wrong.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I guess, Yeah, I could say the tariffs are good. A tariffs are bad. And then. But I. There's plausible deniability.

[Nikki Glaser]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because if someone. I guess there's plausible deniability because nothing ma. Nothing's real. Or Matters.

[Nikki Glaser]

Wow. Well, I think that for me, at least, like, when I go on social media and I see, like, a lot of things spread, and in my classes and stuff, we all learn about how, like, oh, you shouldn't listen to these podcasts and you shouldn't read this on the news and you shouldn't do this. So, like, it makes it, like, really scary to, like, say what you want to say, because then it's like, I don't want to contribute to someone else thinking something wrong because of my misconception of something I don't really know about.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I think that isn't that, like, life? Isn't that how we come to a consent? Everyone just says stuff and we kind of vote on what reality is. Reality is kind of a vote, right?

[Nikki Glaser]

Like, you can say, like, you. I feel like you have to do, like, some sort of, like, research or, like, fact checking before you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, facts. Facts are a vote in a sense, right? Like, okay, we, like, it's a fact. I'm pretty sure I just ranted about this on. On. On the last podcast I put out, but I. I'm gonna do it again. Like, the sky is blue, right?

[Leah]

Okay, that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How. But how did that become a fact? It was. It was kind of democratically decided and then grandfathered into everyone's minds, I guess, through. Through brainwashing. Oh, that the sky is blue.

[Nikki Glaser]

Okay. But then that causes some loopholes and you're like, okay, it's blue. What is blue? Who decided blue?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Who decided blue was blue?

[Nikki Glaser]

What about, like, the color, like, the word, the phonetic, whatever pronunciation of blue? Like, who said that?

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I could sit here. Oh, yeah, I was arguing with a guy about truth, and I could sit here and I could say, the sky is green, and I have. I have a vote.

[Nikki Glaser]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, I. That is my vote. It's not my vote. I'll go ahead and concede. Or actually, I'll abstain. I don't really give a fuck what color the sky is, but if my vote is that the sky is green, that's still my vote. I'm. I'm vastly outvoted by. By textbooks, by society, by the common consensus, but I still get a vote. It's still a democratic process.

[Nikki Glaser]

I guess you're right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I vote. Just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Nikki Glaser]

Right? It's not. It's just going to be. No one's going to agree with you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right? No one's going to agree with me, but I still get my vote in my own reality, I guess, because Reality is, I guess, the sum total of everyone's subjective idea of it, sort of. Right? Yeah.

[Nikki Glaser]

I mean, you're right. Just. And then. But then that's like. If you think like that, then it's like, okay, so what's the fact? And what's. What's not a fact? And is fact the real truth?

[Ryan Seacrest]

You shouldn't think about it too much. You should just kind of do yesterday. This. This doesn't mean anything. But I. I had to say is, yesterday I went to a. I went to Target.

[Nikki Glaser]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I was like. And I asked the guy at the store if he knew where something was.

[Nikki Glaser]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I was like, I am. I am so deeply entrenched in reality right now, and it feels awesome. So you should do stuff like that instead of wondering what color the sky is, you know?

[Nikki Glaser]

Sorry, how did that relate to the color of the sky?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because it's like you could sit around questioning reality and wondering what color the sky is. Or you can like. Or you can go to a store and ask someone where the. Where. Where bottled water is, and then go home and do dishes and then call your friend and tell them about a television show that you saw. And you can just. Just accept. Just like deep acceptance of whatever life is and without thinking about it. You'll have a way better time. I guess that's what I'm saying.

[Nikki Glaser]

I agree with that. I feel like I would do that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's your name again? Hannah.

[Nikki Glaser]

Hannah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hannah, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

[Nikki Glaser]

No. I just want to ask you how.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You got into this today. I got into this by just.

[Nikki Glaser]

By putting on the suit?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, by putting on the suit. Coming out here and.

[Nikki Glaser]

Got it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Setting up microphones and stuff.

[Nikki Glaser]

Nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Thanks for talking to a gecko, Hannah.

[Nikki Glaser]

Thanks.

[Ryan Seacrest]

See you around the universe.

[Nikki Glaser]

Thank you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Nikki Glaser]

This is Nikki Glaser from the Nikki Glaser Podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country and it's gotta stop. So join us at iHeart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up, call it out and you can learn more by following at. What's up with Hate?

[Ryan Seacrest]

This is Ashley Iconetti from the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast. If you could lose 10.4 pounds in.

[Trinity]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, with Future Health you can find out if weight loss meds are right for you in just 3 minutes at try fh.com that is try fh.com try fh.com results may vary based on start weight and adherence to diet, exercise and program goals. Database on independent study sponsored by Future Health. Future Health is not a health care services provider. Meds are prescribed at providers discretion. Hi. What is your name?

[Lyle]

My name is Scott.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Scott. Nice to meet you.

[Lyle]

Nice to meet you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're. You, you, you. You look very clean.

[Lyle]

Thank you. Yeah, I, I try to, I don't know, try to dress nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How often do you do laundry?

[Lyle]

I do laundry like, I guess like once every six days.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Probably once every six days. Yeah.

[Lyle]

Well it's like I just have the one hamper and it's like once it gets like reasonably full, just throw the laundry and just do it like one load at a time.

[Ryan Seacrest]

God, that's. I was just talking about being in reality and not wondering what color the sky was. And you. I'm. That's doing laundry six days a week is deep in. In reality. And I have so much respect for that, and that's awesome. And I think I'm doing my best.

[Lyle]

I think I disagree listening in on your. On your take about facts. I think I disagree with your take about facts.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And you know what? And you know what? That's your vote is to disagree. Well, this is why you can't disagree, because your disagreement is a vote. Well, I think I agree with why vote. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. What's your name again?

[Lyle]

My name is Scott.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Scott. Okay.

[Lyle]

I think there's a difference between facts that, like, are. Have, like, a foundation in human experience. There can be, like, a disagreement on, like, how often is the. And I guess that's even getting into opinion. But, like, right. If you're asking, like, you know, the fact of, like, will Styrofoam dissolve in, like, a certain acid? You can. You can vote. No, but your vote isn't going to change the Styrofoam. Yeah. You can sit there and watch it and.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sure. But I can. But what is Styrofoam?

[Lyle]

Well, I mean, I guess. Yeah, you can get into the. As the. You know, you can be pedantic about what counts as Styrofoam. Yeah, sure. If we can agree on, like, a constraint of, like, what the chemical compound of Styrofoam is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. Okay, so you're. This is hilarious that we're gonna. I don't. Whatever. I'm. I'm. I'm having fun having. I'm having fun being an insane person right now. What. Okay, so, yes, you're correct. It doesn't change the reality that Skyrifoam does dissolve in acid. But what if everyone just said it didn't? Well, then who. It's like the tree. A tree falls in a forest, no one's around to hear it. Does the tree still fall?

[Lyle]

Yeah. And, I mean, everybody can say that, but that still won't change. Like, I. I think there is, like, an objective reality outside of us where, like, even if everybody says that it won't, when they drop the Styrofoam cup in, it's still going to disappear.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I still vote that it won't. I still. I still. I still believe that ignorance is a powerful serum.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That you can really, really, really, you know. All right, you're right.

[Lyle]

And the straight.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know what? You. You know, what you're doing right now is you're lobbying. You're lob or. No, you're not lobbying. You're not loving. I'm sorry, that's the wrong way. You're campaigning.

[Lyle]

Campaigning.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're campaigning that styrofoam will dissolve in acid, and you're doing it very successfully.

[Lyle]

Well, and I think that the problem is that's a very easy thing to test and to verify, whereas most facts are not easy to test.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So testing. And would you. Testing and verifying is also. It's a form of campaigning for the truth.

[Lyle]

It's true.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What you believe to be true.

[Lyle]

Well, and it's less like campaigning for what you believe, but I think it's, you know, more useful to. Especially for, like, the scientific method. It's less a campaign and more just like a form of discovery is like, because you can campaign on, like, some, you know, truths that are a lot more, you know, very difficult or impossible to test.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But what do you. What do you do outside of. What do you. What do you do with your life, Scott?

[Lyle]

I am in law school.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're in law school?

[Lyle]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, so this is your bread and butter, is arguing facts and truth.

[Lyle]

It sure is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And what's. Are you in law school at nyu?

[Lyle]

I sure am.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Grad or undergraduate?

[Lyle]

Grad.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, cool.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's. What's. What's that like?

[Lyle]

Oh, it's fun. It's. It sure is a lot of work. Yeah, It's. Yeah. I. You know, I. You go to undergrad and you think you work hard, and then you go to law school and you're like, wow, okay, now I know. What. Working hard.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you do for fun when the. When the books are away and you're.

[Lyle]

I come out here. I love this park.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's a great park.

[Lyle]

It's an amazing park. I love that. There's just, like, jazz. I can come out and listen whenever I want. It's beautiful.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Now, law is an interesting. I. I hate that I'm going back to this, but I. It's just. This is where I'm being brought to law. Is it? Now? Law is much more subjective. Oh, yeah, right.

[Lyle]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, I. Like, I could argue that murder should be legal. Yeah. And that's my vote.

[Lyle]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, but. And there's no object. It's not. There's no objective fact as to whether or not murder is wrong.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well.

[Lyle]

And you can even argue, like, you can look at a statute, and you can essentially argue that that statute says whatever you want it to say.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

And courts will try to be like, yeah, we're Starting with the text. But even if, like, Even somebody who's saying, like, oh, yeah, this is based in the text.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

A lot of the time it's. They're arguing what they want the text.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Does that make you feel uncomfortable? Like. All right, you know, here's the thing. I was. I'm mainly trolling when I'm having. When I'm saying that reality is. I'm. I'm 50% trolling when I say that reality is trolling. Doesn't mean I don't believe. But whatever. You know what I'm trying. Yeah, but doesn't it make you a little uncomfortable to know that, like, laws and these institutions or whatever, there's no, like, glue. There's no glue to them. In the same way that there's dependable glue to the fact that Styrofoam will melt an ass. Yeah. Does that make you uncomfortable? It's all just consensus scary because.

[Lyle]

Yeah, it's fragile. It's fragile. Yeah, It's. It is people. It's just ideas.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

Yeah. We've. I think we as people are pretty good at maintaining these institutions and these ideas in a lot of situations.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I mean, we can see now, like, these things are fragile. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You can just. What if it wasn't your way to becoming the president?

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah. The. Yeah. The administrative state is a fun thing to be watching at the moment, feeling particularly fragile.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But what do you do when you're not well, so you just come. You come to the park. Do you have.

[Lyle]

I like to sing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You like to sing?

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What are you saying?

[Lyle]

I'm in, like, the law school. I can. Acapella group.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're in the law school, which is.

[Lyle]

Like an undergrad acapella group, but, you know, we don't have the time that the undergrad groups do, but we do our best.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do you read a lot of books?

[Lyle]

I. I read some books. I'm reading House of Leaves at the moment.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Why do I. Why do I know what that is? What is that about?

[Lyle]

It's like a haunted house book, kind of. It's also like a satire on academia. It's insane to try to read it. There's footnotes and footnotes and footnotes. There's text in all the. Going in all different directions at certain points.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, it's a.

[Lyle]

It's a journey, but it's fun.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Have you ever gone insane, or do you feel like you've been pretty attached to reality?

[Lyle]

I think I've been pretty attached to reality.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do you think? What do you think? Keeps you there.

[Lyle]

I, I think I've just been lucky. I think in a lot of cases.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sure.

[Lyle]

Not a lot, like, really horrible has happened to me, which I feel like, you know, just, Just luck.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nothing horrible has ever happened to you.

[Lyle]

Yeah, nothing. Nothing real bad.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do you ever feel like I, I'm not well? Do you ever feel like, like if something horrible's ever happened to you, you ever just. You ever like that in and of itself, you're kind of like, I'm waiting for the shoe to drop.

[Lyle]

Hundred percent. I'm waiting for.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because, well, in New York City, you walk around and every day you see people who. You're like, horrible things have clearly happened to this person. Yeah. Why am I, why not. Why are they happen to this person and not me? Yeah, Yeah.

[Lyle]

I feel that way all the time.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And you're like, you gotta. It's like. And part of you, like, part of your brain goes like, I'm not getting out of this alive. I'm not getting out of this. Nobody gets out of this perfectly. Yeah. So you're a little bit waiting for the shoe to drop.

[Lyle]

Oh, yeah. It's. It's gonna be something at some point.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. What do you think, you're gonna get robbed? You're gonna get beheaded?

[Lyle]

What do I think it's going to be? No, I think it's going to be like, a.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You would, I feel like you would make a great, like, ISIS hostage.

[Lyle]

I, I, I, Yeah, I, I feel like I've had, I've had nightmares about, like, getting kidnapped, and it's always very amicable.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, you convince them that you're, like, a cool guy and they, well, it's.

[Lyle]

Like, we're just, like, we just end up, like, having a conversation in the back of the truck as we're like, they're taking me to the location, but we're just talking. It's, it's, yeah, it's, it's amicable in the sense of, like, I'm not, like, happy with where I'm at, but it's also like, I'm not, like, screaming, crying. They're not beating me up. Like, we're, it's just.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Is that how you think, Is that how you think it would go down?

[Lyle]

I think that's probably how it would go down. I think I, like, I'd be, I'd be nervous, but at a certain point, like, once I've accepted that, there's nothing I can do to get out of the situation. It's like, well, I mean, I'm, I don't Know what they're doing with me, but I guess I'll just chat with them.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

I gotta make the best of the situation that I'm in.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We all have that fan. We all have that fantasy of, like, if I were, like, being held at gunpoint, I could just look at the guy and be like, hey, ma'am, what's this really about? Oh, yeah, I totally have that fantasy that, like, I could. I used to have a fantasy where, like, I would be. Someone would, like, held me at gunpoint, right. And to get out of it, I would just take off all my clothes and start spinning around and going. And then they would be like, this. This. This. This guy is crazy. Let's just go.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, I don't know if that's how that would go down, though.

[Lyle]

I. I also have that instinct of, like. Yeah, I just have to out crazy whoever is, like, trying to mug me on the street.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Could you. Could you really do that?

[Lyle]

I think I probably could.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Yeah. What would you do? What. How would you go crazy?

[Lyle]

I think. Well, yeah, I'd probably just start moving weird. I'd be making bird noises. I'd be getting up in their face. Okay. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, fight, because. Fight or flight response. You feel like you could do that.

[Lyle]

That's the thing, I think, because this has kind of happened to me. There's one time I was in a Walmart waiting for, like, an oil change, and I realized that I was being followed around by this guy. Like, he had been following me around the store for, like, 15 minutes. I just started walking in circles and realized that he was following me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

And I was thinking in my head the whole time, like, what am I. What am I gonna do to this guy? And I went out to, like, a one of the, like, wider, like, open areas with more people.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Lyle]

And as I was thinking about it, he eventually walked away. And I was like, okay, is he gone? And then he walked away and he was gone. But I was getting. I was. I was coming up with a plan. I had the wherewithal. I was horrified, but I had the wherewithal to be like, how.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, this guy was. Here's the thing. How long? Maybe you guys just both like, Doritos. How do you know that? He was.

[Lyle]

This was. This was 15 minutes of me walking in a circle and him being, like, about as close as we are now behind me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Why did you. Wait, here's the thing. It's like you telling me if you were kidnapped by isis, you talked to that. Why don't you talk to this guy, like. Like, you had no instinct to turn around and be like, well, I was up, man.

[Lyle]

I didn't. I didn't want to be like, hey, what's up, man?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I turn around.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Make a friend.

[Lyle]

He didn't. He didn't look like a friend to me. He was kind of.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He gave me scary vibes at first.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Talk to him and.

[Lyle]

But also, if somebody's gonna, like, follow me around in a Walmart real close, I'm like, this man wants to. Like, this man's trying to take me. I'm pretty small, but, like, I don't know. I was like, if I'm gonna. If I'm gonna do something, it's got a. This needs to be a defense mechanism.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There's a little bit of relief to being taken, don't you think? You don't have to make decisions anymore.

[Lyle]

That's true. Yeah. I would. I would have. I would have, in a sense, fewer problems in quantity. Yeah, you weirdly.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You weirdly have fewer problems in captivity.

[Lyle]

It might be a bigger problem, but it is certainly fewer. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, I hope you don't get kidnapped by isis.

[Lyle]

I hope I don't get kidnapped by isis.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I hope that you die at a very old age.

[Lyle]

Me, too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

As a lawyer. As a lawyer, and I kind of. I. I. My gut ain't worth much, but I. I just. I really think that you will continue to live a life where nothing horrible happens to you. I. I'm at a jinx now, but we'll see.

[Lyle]

As I'm walking over, I'll just get, like. I don't know, like, 10 birds are gonna poop on me at the same time. And that'll be the. That'll be the.

[Ryan Seacrest]

If that's the most horrible thing that ever happens to you in your life.

[Lyle]

I will take that. I'll take that right now. If that's. If that's the worst.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Scott, anything else you want to say to the people, the computer, before we go?

[Lyle]

Um, I don't know. Enjoy yourself. Have a good time. Go outside.

[Tabitha]

Whoo.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Scott. Thank you, Scott. Yeah.

[Lyle]

Nice talking, brother.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'll see you on the other court. I don't know why I said this. That wasn't that funny. All right. Bye, Scott. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It's stock up savings time now through March 25th. Spring in for storewide deals and earn four times the points look for in store tags to earn on eligible beverage items for. From San Pellegrino and Pepsi or breakfast favorites like Chobani Greek yogurt, Dan and Oikos yogurt and Pete's Coffee, plus many more. Then clip the offer in our app for automatic event long savings. Stack up those rewards to save even more restrictions apply. Visit Albertsons or Safeway.com for more details.

[Nikki Glaser]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Nikki Glaser]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Matt]

Hi, I'm Matt.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I'm Leah and we're from the Grown Up Stuff podcast.

[Matt]

And just in time for tax season.

[Ryan Seacrest]

On this week's episode, we're chatting with CPA Lisa Green Lewis about businesses can tackle their taxes using TurboTax Business. A Forbes study mentioned that a whopping.

[Leah]

93% of small businesses overpay their taxes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And 17% of Gen Zers believed that you could write off any expense as a business expense. So can't blame them.

[Nikki Glaser]

It's really important to do your taxes right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Listen to Grown up stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Hi there. What is your name?

[Tabitha]

I'm Anna.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Anna, nice to meet you. What's up? How's it going?

[Tabitha]

It's good.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like your hat.

[Tabitha]

Thank you. I like your gecko look.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Thanks. Doug, what's. What's been the most persistent thought on your mind lately?

[Tabitha]

Oh. Oh, I just. So I'm in school right now and I just left a class about sex, gender and justice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Tabitha]

So I've been reading a lot about intersectional feminist theory, so I've been thinking a lot about that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. Exciting stuff. What's the. What's. All right. Intersexual. Intersexual. Say that again, intersectional feminist, Intersectional gender feminist. What's the main idea? Give us the gist.

[Tabitha]

It's kind of looking at, like, structures of power that have been historically been put in place and how they benefit men, like the patriarchy or like white supremacy. So the intersection side of it is looking at, like, race, gender, like class.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So.

[Tabitha]

And the feminist side of it is bringing more like, acknowledgment to like, the position of subjugation that like woman. And the idea, like how we even understand and define what a woman is has been developed in society.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sure, sure. And that's, that is the thing. Like, there's, it's an open idea of like, what is a woman?

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Which it kind of go. I don't know if you listen to me rant, but it is. I was, well, I was just ranting about reality. No, no, I was just ranting about reality being a democracy. Democracy, yeah. And I got that idea.

[Tabitha]

I agree.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It go. Because, like, what, what's a roll of paper towels? You know?

[Tabitha]

Exactly. This is whatever we assign.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's whatever we assign to it.

[Tabitha]

It's so.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, but I don't know. Some people are like, facts are facts and Styrofoam dissolves in acid and. But I, I, I don't know. I don't know. What do you do? No, what do you, what do you, Is this what you study?

[Tabitha]

So I did behavioral neuroscience and anthropology before, and I'm doing forensic psychology now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. What's going on in forensic psychology?

[Tabitha]

I'm very interested in kind of like how intersects with culture and how we define, like, what is considered abnormal behavior, what is considered criminal behavior, and how just subjective all of this is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We were, I was just talking about whether or not murder should be legal.

[Tabitha]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do you think it should be legal?

[Tabitha]

In what sense? I feel like everything's very context dependent. I feel like some people define abortion as murder, and I would disagree with that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right, you see that? You see that guy over there? If I shouldn't have point, I should not have pointed at a specific person.

[Tabitha]

Yes, that guy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But if I, I, but like, if I pointed at a guy and I was like, I don't like that guy, I'm gonna go kill him. Yeah, like, you shouldn't be able to do that.

[Tabitha]

I don't think so. Because you can just walk away. You cannot interact with that guy without having to kill him.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wait, that's why I feel like you shouldn't be able to do it because it's. He's I mean, this guy seems like a nice guy. I don't want to kill him.

[Tabitha]

He looks really nice smiling.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I feel bad that I pointed at him and said I wanted to kill him, but it's not true. I don't want to kill him. But what if. But if I did, I should go to jail, right? If I kill a guy, I think.

[Tabitha]

You probably should go through some transformative justice process more than jail. Because I feel like just going to jail, he's not really gonna change the impulse you had to kill him in the first place. So once you come out of jail, you might as well just do the same thing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sure. Yeah, sure. What? So, okay, let's say there's a guy, and he's like, see that guy over there? I'm gonna kill him with a. With a knife.

[Tabitha]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm gonna stab him over and over again, this guy. Only because I'm not for. Just for no reason. Just for fun.

[Tabitha]

Just to see what he feels like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

For. Just to see what it feels like. Yeah.

[Tabitha]

It's for the sake of it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, so then from what you. From your belief, how do we get what should happen to that guy? Should we. Is it a. Should we punish him because he killed a guy, or should we get him to a point where he didn't want to kill guys anymore?

[Tabitha]

I think we should talk to him and figure out what made him want to kill someone and kind of, like, understand why do we find life so valuable? Why do we find that so ominous and so, like, taboo, and then, like, go from there, like, see what his impulses are and, like, it's probably something underlying, more about himself more than so much about the guy he ended up killing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right. We got to figure that out.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. What. What do you think it is that makes people want to kill people for no reason?

[Tabitha]

I think for some people, it's, like, feeling control. I feel like a lot of people feel very just like subjects of society and, like, kind of like things are imposed onto us. It's like a claim of, like, yeah. Oh, I'm just radically gonna do something, and, like, it's gonna have consequences, but I did it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. That's why people, like, light fires and shoot.

[Tabitha]

Yeah. Just to feel in control, I think. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Because it is, like, okay, right. Because let's say you want to change the world.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, to do it to. To change the world pro socially is, like, way more effort.

[Tabitha]

I agree.

[Ryan Seacrest]

To change the world anti. Socially. Because it's like. Like the actual process of, like, killing Someone or lighting a building on fire is easier than like writing a.

[Tabitha]

Sitting down and processing how you feel about it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Yeah. Sitting down, like it's way easier than like writing a sonnet.

[Tabitha]

Yeah, it's easier.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's easier than writing like a good sonnet, I guess.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't know if what I said is actually true at all.

[Tabitha]

I think so. I think it makes sense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like what's, what's harder? Like draw, like paint. Like I'm talking like in a. All right. Like if you were put in a white room.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

With nothing in it.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And you. There was a paintbrush and an easel and a knife and a guy with a stupid face and it was like, all right. To get out of the room, you have to either kill the guy with the stupid face or paint a beautiful painting.

[Tabitha]

I guess.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I guess it's like again, process wise, easier to kill the guy with the stupid face.

[Tabitha]

And it's more easy to agree that like when he's dead, it's easy to agree that he's dead. How that's a beautiful.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That this guy is dead is easier than the consensus that the painting is beautiful. Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That makes sense. Yeah.

[Tabitha]

What would you do in that case?

[Ryan Seacrest]

What I do? Yeah. I'd. I would kill the guy and then make a beautiful painting with his blood. Oh, I don't know why I said that, but yeah, there we go. So. Yes. Clap for that. Yes. That's a great thing to say that people should clap for. What would you do?

[Tabitha]

What would you do? How about stop myself?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I guess you could do that. That's. That's. That's good. That's. That's. You know what that is the easy.

[Tabitha]

That is the easiest option is to just kill yourself but not have to deal with it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Then you don't have to deal with it. I mean, that's the easiest solution process wise to anything.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, that's way easier than get. What's the. There's a. Giving up's way harder than the giving ups. Easier than trying.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I was about to quote a. I think that's a Kanye bar. Giving up's way harder than trying, but it's not. That's wrong. Yeah, that's wrong. That's one of many wrong.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Things.

[Tabitha]

I mean, there's some thoughts that, like, are you. That suicide is kind of like holding on to hope that like some people kill themselves hoping that it's going to be better and it's just. It's nothing. It's not better.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I Feel like suicide's not holding on to hope. Right.

[Tabitha]

I. I also think it's not holding on to hope, but I know just.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Staying alive is holding on to hope.

[Tabitha]

Yeah, but I know, like, Albert Camus like, talks about, like, suicide in, like, very, like, the same terms as, like, hope. It's like, people, like, like, hope that there's, like, the only way they see change possible is by ending their lives and hoping that, like, we don't know what happens after life. So, like, it's kind of like taking a gamble.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Yeah. But also, you don't. Well, that's the thing, is you're gonna find out at one point or another.

[Tabitha]

Will we?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, you find out.

[Tabitha]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because you die and then you find.

[Tabitha]

Out, but you're not conscious, so. Are you finding out what happens if you're not conscious?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, that's true.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Tabitha]

People around you find out. We know what death is because people around us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, people around you find out what happens when you die, which is that there's a funeral and maybe it's catered and there's some charcuterie board, very expensive. Yeah. What. What do you want for your funeral? Do you want. You want to be, like, put in a jar?

[Tabitha]

I want to be given to nature. I want, like, trees to eat me and they become food for the environment.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's cool. Yeah, that's cool.

[Tabitha]

Why.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's your name again?

[Tabitha]

Anna.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Anna. Why should people live, Anna?

[Tabitha]

Oh, that's a heavy question.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sorry. That's a lot to put on you. Oh, I'm just. I. I don't. You don't need to have an answer. But I'm just curious what you think because you've studied, I think, fields we.

[Tabitha]

Don'T really choose to become alive and consensual choice that is put onto us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Tabitha]

Might as well just try it out and see what it feels like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, sure.

[Tabitha]

And play with it, because we don't really have an option around it. And then if you tune out of it, that's. I'm not. I'm not super anti suicide. I don't know. Controversial.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, man.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Well, I don't. I. Look, all right. I'll balance it out, I think. Give it a shot.

[Tabitha]

Give it a shot.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There's a. Here's the thing I can think of, cuz, like. Oh, there's a ball. A ball almost rolled. That's my worst fear. That's my worst fear of all time. Why? That would be my 13th reason. Why is my worst fear of all time is that, like, I'M near, like a playground or whatever, and there's a bunch of, like, cool. You have to throw it back and a ball comes near me and I have to, like, kick it back. I'm so afraid that I'm gonna kick it the wrong way and then I have to go into the woods and get it.

[Tabitha]

I've seen someone do that. And they, like, kicked it into a tree and they ruined the day for the rest of the people playing that night.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a situation in which I'm not. I'm also totally not anti suicide.

[Tabitha]

It's context dependent.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Context dependent. But now here's my. Okay, here's my argument is there's so many different things you could try before you do that. I mean, knitting.

[Tabitha]

Exactly. You know, or like disappearing and start a new life somewhere else.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Tabitha]

You might as well try that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You might as well try that. Thing is, there's so many different things. You. Your brain only has access to the reality that it's. That it's experienced thus far.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So you might as well try some new shit.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And there's infinite. That's the thing is you could do it like there's infinite things to try until you turn 80 or whatever the ages. So just keep infinitely trying. And you might. I'll. Because I'll take a maybe over a no.

[Tabitha]

Exactly. Yeah. You never know. There's so many options. Might as well just see what happens. What's.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What happens is keep choosing maybe.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I agree.

[Tabitha]

I like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let's keep choosing maybe. Would you eat today? Anything. I don't know why I have this problem. I think. I think it started since I've been doing this podcast. Like, I just have to turn every fucking conversation to some esoteric whatever the fuck thing. I was. I was around these group of guys. I've told this story on this podcast probably before, but I was around these group of guys and they were eating a sandwich, and one of them starts crushing chips into the sandwich.

[Tabitha]

Okay. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And then they start talking about how awesome it is to crush chips on a sandwich.

[Tabitha]

What's your take on that?

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's all, I love it. And I was like, why? And I was like, why can't my. I want to have more conversations like this.

[Tabitha]

I agree.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Everyone's always. You know those people on dating apps where they're like, I only have deep conversations.

[Tabitha]

Yeah. What does that sound like?

[Ryan Seacrest]

That sounds like hell. Yeah. That sucks.

[Tabitha]

It sounds crazy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Sometimes you want to just talk about simple pleasure.

[Tabitha]

That's what we can all agree on easily.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. You want to talk about something? We've been. We've been getting too into the weeds. You want to talk about something normal?

[Tabitha]

Yeah, like what?

[Ryan Seacrest]

You watch. You watch anything good on TV lately?

[Tabitha]

I started watching the new season of White Lotus recently.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, okay. I don't know that one.

[Tabitha]

Okay. It's okay. Have you seen that?

[Ryan Seacrest]

You.

[Tabitha]

You've never heard of the show?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, I haven't seen it.

[Tabitha]

Okay. I recommend. The first two seasons are really good. The third one I'm still waiting for is to kind of like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, yeah.

[Tabitha]

Get better.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right, I'll check it out.

[Tabitha]

Yeah, I like it. What about you? What do you like to watch?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't really watch a lot of tv.

[Tabitha]

Okay. Do you read?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, not really.

[Tabitha]

What do you do?

[Ryan Seacrest]

We'll look at YouTube videos.

[Tabitha]

Nice. What type of YouTube videos?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Stuff like how to. How to, like, make $30,000 from home with Amazon drop shipping.

[Tabitha]

Nice. Has it worked for you?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, I just watched the. I watched the first two minutes of it, and then I. I go look at, like, gameplay from a gamecube for game gameplay from the Rugrats gamecube game that I played when I was a kid.

[Tabitha]

Nice. Hell, yeah. I was looking at tickets for my spring break's coming up, and I wanted to figure out what I can do.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah.

[Tabitha]

I'm from Colombia. I want to go back to Colombia, but tickets are so expensive.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's in. Where in Colombia from?

[Tabitha]

I was born in Bogota, but I grew up in Medellin.

[Ryan Seacrest]

My cousin's going to Bogota.

[Tabitha]

Oh, nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, he's going to.

[Tabitha]

For the first time.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. For the first time.

[Tabitha]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Any tips for my cousin?

[Tabitha]

Don't walk around with your phone out.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Tabitha]

Bogota is more like. Is like the New York. Like, the Colombia version of New York is very chaotic, is very busy. It's not, like, super, like, tourist friendly as much as other cities. I would say don't judge Colombia based off Bogota. I love Bogota, but it's not. It's not like flowers and tropics. That's more like Medellin or the coast.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Tabitha]

But there's a lot of museums and cultural stuff. A lot of street art is really cool. The food is incredible. The food is bomb. Yeah. Incredible.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's the. What's the. What's Colombian food? Like? What.

[Tabitha]

It changes by city, by region. Because we have a lot of, like, mountains, so altitude. We have a lot of, like, different veggies that grow in Bogota. The main dish is called the hiaco is like a potato based Soup with chicken. And it's so good.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That sounds really good.

[Tabitha]

It's so yummy. I'm vegan now, but I'm still like, are you vegan?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because, like, it's like, like for ethics reasons or your stomach hurts for ethics.

[Tabitha]

I've been vegan for 10 years now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. I'm also. This is another rant I've got. I have, I have a sim. I have fucking, like, I have, like, three rants that I go on. And this is one of them is like, I logically understand that it's unethical to kill animals and eat them.

[Tabitha]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I, I, I do it anyway.

[Tabitha]

That's fair. I feel like I am more comfortable with people that understand that and make that choice. And then, like, you're making a moral choice of your own decision autonomy rather than, like, pretending like it's not like you're not eating.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. We could be fine. We kill lots of chickens for no reason.

[Tabitha]

And I have more a problem not so much with consuming meat, but with the, like, how it's massively produced now. Like, I don't have a problem if he's like, a local, like, indigenous person or like, you have your own farm and you, like, that's. I don't really mind that, but no.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm like, when tight, like Tyson dinosaur chicken nuggets. You're not. You're like, that's a little too much. It's a little too. I will admit it is up.

[Tabitha]

We've gone too far.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's up to kill an animal and then make it into the shape of another animal.

[Tabitha]

I was like, you're laughing at it. What are we doing?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, we're. We're trolling chicken.

[Tabitha]

We're 100.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We're big. Trolling chicken. Chickens. But you know what? Maybe you just. Maybe you shouldn't have been a chicken. Maybe you should have been something cooler, like, like a guy with a skateboard.

[Tabitha]

Like a gecko.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Anna, thanks for talking to me. Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer?

[Tabitha]

Not much. I. Yeah, I'm about to eat some food. I'm so hungry. But it was nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm hungry, too. You made me hungry for. For dinosaur chicken.

[Tabitha]

Nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, I'll see you around the universe. Good luck.

[Tabitha]

Yeah, you too. Bye.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Later, dude. Wow. Folks. This has been being a gecko on the street. This was good. I'm gonna keep doing more of these. I haven't done one of these in, like, nine or ten months or something. I forgot how much fun it is to talk to people in real life instead of in a room. I'm still gonna talk to people alone in a dark room. Don't worry, I'll still be doing that. But I might just start trying to do this once a week or every other week or something like that. So stay tuned. I hope you enjoyed it. Hit subscribe on YouTube or hit whatever on the podcast thing. Thanks for if and if you're listening to the Let me just from experience, I just here's if you're listening to this and you're in your underwear in your house alone and you're like you're going crazy. Just put on pants and go outside and you'll, you'll be like, alright, this. That was half the battle. Okay, thanks for being here with me on this journey. I'm a gecko. I'm insane and get all. Get off the computer. Okay, bye everyone. Goodbye. See you later. Bye. Phone calls every night therapy get goes doing it right, teaching you how to live your life. But he's not really an expert. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It's stock up savings time now through March 25th. Spring in for storewide deals and earn four times the points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible snacks like Outshine fruit bars and Ritz crackers or sweet treat favorites like Nestle Drumsticks, Nerds, Gummy Clusters and Lindor Chocolates, plus many more. Then clip the offer in our app for automatic event long savings. Stack up those rewards to save even more restrictions apply. Visit Albertsons or Safeway.com for more details. It's tax season and by now I know we're all a bit tired of numbers. But here's an important one you need to hear. $16.5 billion. That's how much money in refunds the IRS flagged for possible identity fraud last year. Here's another 20%. That's the overall increase in identity theft related to tax fraud in 2024 alone. But it's not all grim news. Here's a good number. 100 million. That's how many data points Lifelock monitors every second. If your identity is stolen, LifeLock's US based restoration specialists will fix it, backed by another good number, the million Dollar Protection plan. In fact, restoration is guaranteed or your money back. Don't face identity theft and financial losses alone. There's strength in numbers with Lifelock identity theft protection for tax season and beyond. Join now and save up to 40% your first year. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK and use promo code iheart or go to lifelock.com iheart for 40% off terms apply. Busy work weeks and weekends can leave you feeling drained. Prolon's five Day Nutrition program works at the cellular level to rejuvenate you with boxes labeled by day so you know.

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