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Hank (2:03)

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Geck (2:07)

Hi. How's it going?

Hank (2:08)

I'm very good.

Tom Hollow (2:08)

How are you?

Geck (2:09)

I'm good. Is this Hank?

Hank (2:13)

It is, it is. How are you?

Geck (2:16)

How am I? I'm doing well. I'm enjoying life. It's another day at the office. How are you, Hank?

Hank (2:25)

You know what? It's going as well too. I wasn't expecting your talk.

Geck (2:30)

Well, Hank, what brings you to call in today?

Hank (2:34)

Well, I geck mailed you a month or two a few months ago actually. I thought you would be interested about my curious interest.

Geck (2:45)

What was your Geck mail?

Hank (2:49)

That I have a fetish for suffering. And often that manifests with girls farting on me.

Geck (2:58)

I remember this email. Yes, I remember this email. I'm gonna see if I can pull it up. Actually, I'll read it back for the. The chat here. Or I'll read it back for the, for the, for the podcast listeners. Let's see. Did you put your name in this email? Ah, here we go.

Hank (3:16)

Yes, I found it.

Geck (3:17)

Okay. Hey, Geck, this is Hank. Since being 16 years old, I've had a fetish for suffering, but without liking physical pain during sexual activities. So this manifests to me being made to smell or taste unpleasant things, usually foods. I hate being farted on by a beautiful girl. Turns me on more than anything else. Interesting. Interesting. So how did you. How did you. How did you begin? Did you. Go ahead.

Hank (3:51)

So the second half of that email baffled you even more, if I remember.

Geck (3:56)

Well, well, you know, well, listen, this email. Let's just talk. Would tell me, tell me more.

Hank (4:02)

Well, so what was your question? How did I first discover this? Yeah, that is a great question. I. I'm gonna try and make this relatable in a way and see if you know what I mean. I would say I didn't know much about my sexuality and even like finding girls attractive until I was like 15 or 16. But before then I would just have this, like, curiosity about gross things, like farts, for example. And I didn't find them gross. I found them like, almost enjoyable. But obviously this is in a complete non sexual way. So I think there's people out there before they sort of hit maybe puberty or prepubescent and before they know about weird clappishes. I always imagine foot guys always have had to think about feet, even when they're like 13 years old. But I don't know, I've never met a fetish guy to ask them. Well, I probably met them, just didn't know that that's what they were into.

Geck (5:08)

You have such a. You know, what's funny is you have such a polite British candor that I. It's really hard for me to imagine somebody farting on you.

Hank (5:20)

And my last two girlfriends have both told me that I. I come across as very vanilla. Like, if you completely ignore this, I'm a very normal guy. I'm. I work. I work in healthcare. I live in a flat, an apartment. Sorry. And I've just got a pretty normal life. And then there's just this like weird quirk which people don't know about.

Geck (5:46)

So. Have you had a lot of different women fart on You?

Hank (5:51)

Yeah, I'd say about seven. Eight. Seven or eight.

Geck (5:57)

And how does that conversation usually go?

Tom Hollow (6:01)

It depends.

Hank (6:02)

I, I read the room and over the years I'm. I'm 27 now. Fantastic age. Over the years I've become more and more comfortable with it. But it depends on them. Like if, because I've been with people who are themselves very explorative, very out there, very kinky, so then you can kind of just come out with it and they're cool with it, fine. If maybe their interests aren't quite as, let's say explorative, I kind of just go in with a little bit of a sit on my face thing and then just like a bit of an ass play thing and then you know, build into it. You know, build into it.

Geck (6:42)

And of, of all of. How many, how many long term relationships have you been in?

Hank (6:47)

I've been in one of the, one of them when I was like 15 years old until I was 18. So including that one. Three.

Geck (6:54)

And would you were all three of them down to fart on you.

Tom Hollow (7:00)

With?

Hank (7:00)

My first ever relationship, like I said, a 15 year old one. We tried it once. Wasn't really quite how. It didn't really work out. But the other long term, this is.

Geck (7:10)

When you were 15.

Hank (7:12)

Now we're about 17 by this point.

Geck (7:14)

Yeah.

Hank (7:16)

The relationship started when I was like a week before my 16th birthday together till I date. So we're 18. And that one, we didn't really, we tried it once, that was it. But yeah. The other two long term relationships, both of them involved farting. Yeah.

Geck (7:32)

Have you, has there ever been a situation where you approach someone about farting on you and they were, they were disgusted by it or they, they reacted in a way that, that felt viscerally negative?

Hank (7:46)

Never in the con, Never in like a relationship way? No, I say they only like if, if I get the vibe that they won't be into it, I won't ask with like sexual partners because I've had like casual relationships and like other relationships as well which aren't long term. And if I get the vibe that they're quite sort of vanilla or like even just talking about like face sitting gets them a bit upset, then I won't, I won't approach you. You gotta know your audience. That's always a good lesson in life. But no one's ever been like completely disgusted. And the more I live, the more that surprises me and the more I just think, you know, people like you and they want to, people, you know, people want to make people happy. Then at the end of the day, and I'm very open, I'm very explorative, and I'll pretty much do anything. Whoever I'm with a significant other, if they say to me, oh, I really want to try this, then I'll. I'll always give it a go. Part of that is because I can't say, I want you to sit my face, I want you to fart on me. But then your one request, oh, absolutely not. That's kind of a bit. Bit of a dish move.

Geck (8:58)

What are some things that you've tried because of that standard that you've set?

Hank (9:06)

Piss play. Nothing I've ever been interested in, but a girl wanted to piss on me, so I let her.

Geck (9:13)

And how is that?

Hank (9:16)

It's one thing. Once again, I'm asking. I'm asking girls to fart on me. So I. My threshold is probably higher than others. But, like, if you. If girls want to do that, that's fine. It's not a deal breaker for me. The only thing I've ever said no to was knife play, and that's just a little bit too risky for me.

Geck (9:36)

Interesting. Where did they want to put the knife?

Hank (9:41)

Caress it around their neck and body. They wanted me to caress it around their neck and their body.

Geck (9:47)

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Did they ever. Did anyone like, ever put, like a. Like, if a girl wanted to, like, put a knife up your ass, would you let her do that?

Hank (9:56)

I've never had more than a finger up there, and I think I'll probably keep it that way.

Geck (10:01)

Okay, how about pegging? I feel like that's the one thing that people. I feel like pegging's hot now. I feel like people are into pegging.

Hank (10:08)

Well, I've always been very conflicted about that because once, as I said, I've only ever had a finger up there, and that was quite painful. So I think it would take a lot to get me to be pegged, but I'm very submissive guy, so I love the idea of it. But in practice, I found it a lot more challenging to.

Geck (10:29)

To work and piss play. So a girl wanted to pee on you? And how did. How did. How did that feel when she peed on you? Did you enjoy that?

Hank (10:40)

This sounds really stupid, but it kind of like it was. Maybe she was too dehydrated. It was just like too much pee, if that makes sense. Like, shoot, if she, like, too much. As in too strong, too diluted, or not diluted enough. So it was like, okay, but it was just very didn't do anything for me.

Geck (11:02)

If she had drank more water beforehand, you think it would have done more for you?

Hank (11:07)

Yeah, yeah, I think.

Tom Hollow (11:07)

I think.

Hank (11:08)

I don't know if it would have done more for me, but it would have just been a slightly more pleasant experience. Interesting, because I like. I like to be dominated, and that's a very. Dominated. That's a very dominating thing. But, like, it's very. Like you're very aware that someone's pissing on you when they're pissing on you. What I would say.

Geck (11:29)

Dive more into. That's an interesting. You're very aware when someone's pissing on you when they're pissing on you.

Hank (11:35)

What do you mean by that? So. So if a girl's. If I'm tied up and a girl dominating me, I might not be thinking very specifically about what they're doing. It's more like the whole general, like, oh, my God, I'm being dominated. This girl's on top of me. This is fantastic. Whereas if a girl's pissing on you, I don't really think, oh, my God, there's this really hot girl dominating me. I just think, oh, that's pissed. And it kind of takes me out. Kind of takes me out of the mood. Because the whole. The whole fart thing, the whole suffering thing in general is mainly a suffering thing. Farts is just a specific point of that, which I can't seem to shake. But it's the whole suffering thing in general, I think that definitely comes from just like a. I'm very submissive. I just like dominant girls. But that makes dating hard. That makes dating hard.

Geck (12:21)

Are you currently.

Hank (12:24)

Yes, I am. Well, I'm dating. Yeah. I'm, like, talking to people and meeting up with girls. It's. I was just gonna say it's difficult to know, like, because you don't want to get too. In a relationship, like, too far in deep with someone. I fall for them. So then find out that, like, you're completely sexually incompatible, but, like, you don't want to be on the first date in the restaurant going, so, hey, have you ever farted on a guy? There's, like a line, and sometimes, like, I say, I'm 27. That's like, you got to start thinking about the long term. You got to start thinking of settling down and all of that sort of thing. And I'd say I date him to settle down. And sometimes if there's someone who I'm not, like, sexually compatible with, but every other way, we're sexually compatible. So in every other way, we're compatible. I kind of feel a bit like a dick for calling that off. Like, am I being immature? Is that the wrong. Wrong decision? But ultimately, I think sexual compatibility is quite important.

Geck (13:18)

No, I agree, I agree, I agree. And also it's, you know, you've decided that it's important to you. That's important.

Hank (13:28)

I don't. I don't need a dominatrix, just someone who's got, like, quite an open mind, because I think you said peggings every year and like. Like sitting on a guy's face is also very in, which is fantastic news for me.

Geck (13:41)

So.

Hank (13:42)

And I think you can. You can eat girls into it and you can eat anyone into it, really. I was eased into it. So, like, it's. If you go on a first date saying, fart on me, probably not. You build up to it, then people are normally more receptive.

Geck (13:57)

Is there a rule of thumb for you? What? How deep into a relationship until you bring this up?

Hank (14:05)

So. Absolutely not. It depends on the other person. I've done it, like, three dates in with someone before, but then I've also done it like a year in for other people. Oddly enough, the person I did it in was like, three months. Was a co worker and we're like, no longer a thing. It's very strange when I see her in a corridor and it's like, I used to fart on me and now we just, like, make small talk.

Geck (14:28)

Yeah, you're just somebody that used to fart on me.

Hank (14:33)

In that. That go.

Tom Hollow (14:35)

That.

Hank (14:35)

And you know what? Next time I see her, I'm going to think of that exact song. So thank you.

Geck (14:39)

Yeah, of course. That's. That's the Weird Al Yankovic parody of that song.

Hank (14:45)

I wouldn't be surprised if he's run that.

Geck (14:50)

So are you on the apps? Where are you on, like, are you on. I feel like you do well on, like, a field, like one of the. Like one kind of like the alternative apps.

Hank (15:01)

I'd considered that, but I'm very much in the English countryside. The dating pool here is far. Is quite small compared to a city. So, for example, when I visit London, there's. There's loads of options, but I don't live there, I live many hours away. So unless you're on the mainstream apps, there's really not much elsewhere.

Tom Hollow (15:28)

Hmm.

Geck (15:30)

So are you getting a lot of matches on these apps? Are you. Are you talking to people in person too? Or is it mainly the apps?

Hank (15:40)

In my job in healthcare, it can be quite difficult to speak to people in person because I normally see them in a, in a context in which it would be inappropriate to then ask for their number. Like I know your family members dying, but hey, here's my number, sit on my face. Sometimes it kind of doesn't really impress, but otherwise. But that kind of then limits you to like, you know, people you meet in coffee shops and stuff. But despite what films have shown me over the years, I've never been approached for my phone number in coffee shop. It's rather disappointing. So yeah, it's mainly on the apps and I'd say I've got reasonable success. I've been, you know, I would say, except for the week I was ill, I go on like two dates a week for the last month.

Geck (16:27)

Oh, that's pretty, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. How do they usually go? Do you have a spot that you take people to?

Hank (16:36)

Not really. We, I don't. We drive usually. Most people I see is like the closest city. It's still like a 45 minute drive for me. Um, but we'll just go and like go grab coffee or grab lunch or something like that. Usually pretty laid back. I'm pretty chilled. Um, and I'm. I struggle with, with like making connections with people. I'm a little bit, well, I would describe myself as a little bit autistic but I'm also medicated for it. So maybe I'm a little bit more than I would say. But maybe it's the meds make me just a little bit, but I better in person and I just usually get a lot pretty quickly from people.

Geck (17:14)

Do you try to date women who are also autistic?

Hank (17:21)

I think I describe it. I don't know where I've copied this from, but this isn't an original thought. But then again, what is like an autism Bluetooth? Like 2. Autistic people tend to like naturally connect to each other. They kind of naturally want to connect to each other.

Geck (17:35)

Sure. Yeah. Autism Bluetooth.

Hank (17:39)

Autism, yeah. Autism Bluetooth, yo.

Geck (17:41)

I bet autism Wi Fi would be awesome. I don't know what it would be.

Hank (17:47)

I could get behind that. That would be quite helpful. That would be a. That'll be a dating app. I could get behind that. Alter the MI5.

Geck (17:52)

Is there a dating app just for autistic people? There's got to be, right?

Hank (17:57)

I mean there's a dating app for everything, isn't there? So there should be like, like love on the spectrum and those sort of programs have made that very popular. So there's services like in the uk, there used to be a show before Love on the Spectrum called the Undatables. It's like the UK version of Love on the Spectrum. And there's dating agencies specifically set up for people with like physical or like physical disabilities or mental disabilities or like more severe autism. So yeah, I'm sure those services could exist. But I also, I've always wondered and maybe you can ponder this with me because I know you love a ponder because another thing with autism, except for like the social sort of interactions with people is like, is obviously sensation. Like some people often get overstimulated or things like that. And I wonder if my sort of enjoying gross things, things which I should have a negative reaction. Instead I have a positive reaction. Whether that's just like a fundamental organism thing of just, just wired slightly differently. Things I shouldn't enjoy, I should enjoy Interesting. Like farts, for example.

Geck (19:10)

Interesting. Do you know any. Have you spoken to anyone else on about who has this particular thing? Like, do you go on the, do you go on like the message boards to talk about this? Because like, I can't imagine that you just hold this on your own. Like you, there's no way you haven't gone out in search of like, hey, is anyone else feel this way?

Hank (19:30)

I'll be. I, I have tried. I have gone to Reddit as any as anyone would, as the best place for this sort of thing. But all the forums on Reddit, if I call forums, I don't know, all the pages on Reddit are kind of just like offering videos and just say guys saying, hi, I'm 23, male, meet up with me, I'm in Washington. Like, there's no, like, I wouldn't say there's like a board for like general discussion and advice.

Geck (20:00)

You know, what's, you know, here's the thing is. And pornhub I think has comments for this very reason, right? Because it's bizarre that pornhub has comments at all. Like, who wants to comment on the porn? But I like what you're. This is what it's really for is like you gotta go on to like a fart video on pornhub and make a comment and be like, hey, how was everyone here's childhood? Like, what are your guys? Like blood work? You know, like, you gotta kind of like try to make some connections that way.

Hank (20:39)

Well, this might be a loaded question. I feel like I already know the answer this, but have you ever looked on the comments of fart fetish videos?

Geck (20:46)

I've never looked on the cop, you know, I'll do it right now. I'm gonna do it right now. Yeah, go ahead.

Hank (20:55)

I was gonna say my experience, like, after I kind of have a look at. And it's usually just, I assume, guys, it could be either saying, I wish that was me, or who's that girl? And things like that. Like, that was so good. It's more just like constructive praise of the posterior. A More of a community feel.

Geck (21:13)

Interesting. Okay. Fart porn. Okay. All right, hold on. Let me look at this. There's not. There's no comments. Oh, okay. I would so love to experience this as humiliation. Yeah, okay. You're right. It's mostly people being like, that's. That's awesome. It's not as many people being like, hey, how's everyone here doing?

Hank (21:41)

Yeah, you know what? There's not much constructive criticism. It's normally pretty positive as well. So, you know they're doing something right.

Geck (21:50)

I mean, someone had. But here's the thing is, like, someone has to start the conversation. You know, I bet if you put yourself out there on Reddit and you're like, hey, like, I think it would be brave of you to go into the fart fetish porn subreddit and make the first po. Make that first post that goes, hey, do any of. Do any of you guys ever wonder why we are like this?

Tom Hollow (22:17)

Do you.

Hank (22:17)

Do you know the. I've been a big fan of yours for years, and I got. And I've not come to a live show yet. If you ever come back to England, I'll be there. But an example you always use, because when people call in and are, like, feeling lonely, I'm really struggling to connect. I'm really. I've got really niche interests, which I technically do as well. But, you know, you always say, go on a discord and just make a discord, and other people who are sad and have your niche interest will go on the discord as well. Maybe that's what I need to do.

Geck (22:44)

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I think disc. I think. I always think going in person and doing things is the. Is. Is best. But, you know, if you don't have the ability to do that or if you're. I don't know where you would go in person. I bet. Where do you live? Or you live in England? You live near London?

Hank (22:58)

Yeah, the English countryside.

Geck (22:59)

Oh, you're in the English countryside.

Hank (23:01)

Many hours away from London.

Geck (23:02)

Oh, okay. All right.

Hank (23:03)

So there's no, like, a village hall and. Yeah, it'd be a bit strange.

Geck (23:07)

Yeah, there's no like fart loving meetup in the. They're probably. They're almost. I would bet that there is a fart lovers meetup somewhere in London, but I don't know if you're gonna find that.

Hank (23:17)

Yeah.

Geck (23:17)

In the English countryside. But yeah, you can join it. I'm sure there's a discord. Do you care about that though? Do you need like, do you want to connect with other fart loving people?

Hank (23:29)

I don't think it would be more of my own personal interest as opposed to a need. I'd be curious to know also how they got into it because I've looked into the psychology behind it and there's only really one study and that was more of a case study if they just interviewed one guy about it. So yeah, it would more just be of a curiosity standpoint. I feel that I wouldn't personally develop as a. I wouldn't personally develop because of this. Like I've had this for years. I feel like I know where I am, I know what I enjoy. And part of me will never really understand why because one thing you said when you did read out the email is people don't choose this and people don't choose their fetishes. I don't. I don't know why. I'm just glad my fetish is legal. Like, you know.

Geck (24:17)

Yeah, well, that's. I mean, of course I think it's. Yeah, I mean, of course people don't choose the. I don't think that if you. Bro. I actually, I think about this a lot. I wonder about like why we like get attracted to certain things and like how much of it is like the whole like nature versus nurture thing. Like, I wonder how much of like whatever, like my own shit is. Like just because like my like my fucking like dad being like a horny guy or how much of it is like, you know, like exposure to porn at like a young age. You know, like how much of it is. Is like genetics and random neuron. It's like personality. It's like you don't. You don't. Well, it's kind of like personality in the sense of like you don't choose your personality, but you also, I guess kind of do a little bit. I don't know.

Hank (25:14)

You can feed into different areas if you want.

Geck (25:16)

Yeah, you can. Yeah, yeah. It's like you have these wolves in your head and you could choose to feed them or not. It's probably. It's probably a little bit more how it is. But yeah, I don't. You don't like, start out with it.

Hank (25:30)

No, I can't think of any sort of. So one. Here's it. One interesting sort of. As I said, I've done looked at a lot of psychology of this. I'm definitely not a psychologist.

Geck (25:40)

No, hit me. Hit me. No, neither am I.

Hank (25:42)

Neither am I. The closest I've got is if you've gone through a traumatic childhood where you have suffered a lot as a child, as an adult, you're so used to suffering, you almost want to harness that suffering and you want to be able to control that suffering. That's the closest I've got. But that was even just from a very general, general sort of bdsm, even just being tied up or anything like that. Like, you've not been in control as a child. So as an adult, that's manifested. And she wanted to control that. Control that.

Geck (26:14)

Yeah. I went to the AVN convention, like, three years ago. The. Like, the big porn convention, and I was talking to. Yeah, yeah, I was talking to some people there who were, like, really in. Who were like, big BDSM people. And they. They mentioned that they were like, oh, a lot of this is, like, people who experience some kind of, like, trauma, and they want to, like. Yeah. Harness it in, like, a way of their own choosing. I mean, is that you. Is that, like. Did you. I mean, if you want to talk about it, did you have. Did you get, like, farted on a lot as a child?

Hank (26:47)

Well, I think I. When any suffering I've had as a child is very normal. It's like parents split up, abusive father. Never to me, but it's a family. And an alcoholic and a drug user. So sort of that general sort of suffering of being in a bad environment, but I can't think of any specific, like, unpleasant smells or unpleasant tastes or anything like that. So kind of, kind of half. Half mark there. Half mark. I think that's why I'm submissive, probably. Because that's probably why I'm submissive.

Geck (27:22)

What else. What else do you. Do you need to. Do you like to be farted on every time you have sex? Or do you. Is it. So is it every time, or are you able to just have regular, normal sex and you're like, this is fine.

Hank (27:38)

Yeah, I can just have regular, normal sex. I enjoy that as much. Like, usually when it.

Tom Hollow (27:45)

When.

Hank (27:45)

If we're doing the farting thing, that's not gonna then be penetrative sex, because logistically that's a little bit challenging. So then usually that's like 69 or something like that. But yeah, I. I enjoy just penetrative, regular sex and doggy. And I can say it's not. It's an ass. I love ass. So, you know, holly ass and. Yeah, doggy and all of that. Absolutely great.

Geck (28:09)

The way you. The way you say these things with your British accent is really funny.

Hank (28:17)

I. I always been told I'm well spoken, even for, like, my. Even for being in the English countryside. So it probably sounds disproportionately posh and well spoken for you.

Geck (28:31)

What do you do for a living, Hank? What's the. Right. I'm curious briefly, before we go. I want to hear about your life outside of farts. I'm curious.

Hank (28:41)

So I work for healthcare. Work in the ambulance service.

Geck (28:45)

Right, okay. Yeah, sorry. You've mentioned that a bunch of times.

Hank (28:48)

So, yeah, when I'm in random people's houses, that's why I don't ask for girls. Numbers.

Geck (28:52)

That makes sense. What's your. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Hank (28:57)

I was gonna say I come. I also come across at work and some gross or disgusting things, but in the same way that the guy who's, like, into feet doesn't find all feet attractive, and they can look at feet in a platonic way. I'm very much in control. I've never been turned on at work because of something gross. Even just, like, if someone I'm with is like, farts, I won't be turned on by that. It's very specifically girls who I'm, like, attracted to. Or it's very much in the context.

Geck (29:27)

You ever been in, like, an elevator and a lady, like, farts in the elevator and that does something for you?

Hank (29:34)

I haven't been in that situation, but if it was a very hot girl, I. It would be interesting to know what my brain would do.

Geck (29:42)

Or I guess a lift.

Hank (29:45)

Yeah, I left. Wow. That's true.

Geck (29:49)

It's been nice talking to you, Hank. You're. You're a nice guy. You're a pleasant guy. What's your dream in life before we go with Seal? What. What do you want ultimately in your life, Hank?

Hank (29:59)

Well, a very sort of traditional sort of. I just want to live in a. In a house in the countryside with a loving wife, go to work, come home, live on, like, a. Not like a farm. We call it a small holding. Have you got small holdings in America?

Geck (30:15)

What is it? What is there. What's a small holding?

Hank (30:17)

So it's like a. It's like a tiny farm or like a hobby farm or things like that. So you're not, like, keeping hundreds of Cows for a profit. But like you might have like a pet cow, a couple of goats or a couple of ducks and geese. So you know, a house in the countryside with a bit of land and just. Yeah, just a pretty normal life. If there is such a thing as a normal life. A life where you would walk into it if you were viewer, the postman or the mailman or, you know, you walk past his house, you would never think that guy's probably going to get fired on later. You'd never know. There'd be no signs.

Geck (30:53)

Thank you for calling, Hank. Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?

Hank (31:01)

Just make sure that. Make sure that your friends are okay. Recently in my area of work, there's been an increase in suicides this year. So just, just checking on people, make sure, make sure they're doing okay.

Geck (31:15)

Thank you, Hank. You have a good rest of your entire life.

Hank (31:19)

Stay awesome Geck. See you around the universe.

Geck (31:21)

Bye, Hank. What a nice guy. What a. What a. What a beautiful soul. See, I believe. I love. I love. Don't think you have to be all things at once. I really don't. Look at Hank. Hank is a. Is a supportive friend. He's a. Hank is a supportive friend. He's a good citizen. He works hard for people in need and he loves eating farts. And he can be all those things at once. Remember this, folks. This is important, folks. When you think people talk, this is a real thing. And I deal with this in my own life. And I think people deal with it in theirs. Sometimes it's easy to think that you have that every part of your existence has to be perfectly neatly aligned. But it doesn't. You can be all. You can be all kinds of conflicting things. Shout out to Hank. I hope he finds his fart queen.

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Tom Hollow (35:25)

No way. I'm on with the geck.

Geck (35:28)

What's up, buddy? How you doing?

Tom Hollow (35:30)

Good. How are you?

Geck (35:33)

I'm actually, I'm pretty good. I'm chilling. I don't know. I can't really complain about anything. It's another day at the. At the motherfucking office. What's going on with you, buddy?

Tom Hollow (35:43)

Currently having like. Oh, my God. I can't believe I'm on with you right now. Okay, give me one second.

Geck (35:50)

Go ahead. Holy. Take your time, brother. What are you having?

Tom Hollow (35:54)

Okay, I'm on with the geck. Don't blow it.

Geck (35:57)

No, there's nothing to blow. There's something to blow. What are you. What are you having.

Tom Hollow (36:03)

A little bit of anxiety because I'm just so happy to talk to you.

Geck (36:11)

Do I. Do you normally get. Do you normally get anxious just like in life?

Tom Hollow (36:20)

It depends on the situation. Certain social situations for sure. I Get a particular anxiety about the phone because I think I sound dumb.

Hank (36:31)

On the phone, but it's fine, dude.

Geck (36:34)

It's interesting. I've talked to a lot of people over the years who said they have specifically anxiety about phone calls. Like, it would be almost more anxious for them to make a phone call than it would to, like, talk to someone in real life. I don't know if that's you, but I've heard people say that. Is that. Is that you?

Tom Hollow (36:50)

I have way easier of a time. I've been trying to get over that because I kind of want to do what you do a little bit, but I kind of have a mix of things that I want to do on the Internet. It's my. My content is a lot more adhd. It's all over the place. But I don't know, man. I want to do, like, story times and stuff. I've. I've had a lot of interesting jobs and, like, a lot of interesting experiences that a lot of people haven't had. So I feel like I've got a lot of advice I could offer, but the anxiety is crazy.

Geck (37:36)

Wait, so you don't have to, you know, you don't have to, like. You don't have to, like, pick the best one or, like, psych yourself out about it, but, like, what. What's like, an example of one of these experiences that you feel like not a lot of people have had?

Tom Hollow (37:52)

Shit. Where do I start? I was one of the few kids who, like, once you get into the foster system, usually you, like, don't get back with your parents. But my mom fought really hard and got me back.

Geck (38:06)

Whoa.

Tom Hollow (38:07)

That's one thing.

Geck (38:08)

Wait, why? I thought, like, she, like, she. You were taken. Like, CPS took you away or something?

Tom Hollow (38:16)

Essentially because it was hard for her to get on her feet after escaping my dad, who is another type of monster in and of itself. But my mom's awesome. I call her on Father's Day. She gets both days. You know what I mean?

Geck (38:37)

Yeah. That's cool. That's awesome. Like, damn, you did the work. I like that you did the work of both parents. You get both days.

Tom Hollow (38:43)

Oh, hell, yeah.

Geck (38:45)

That's cool. How long were you in foster care for?

Tom Hollow (38:51)

Not long. Maybe, like, two, three months. But I was really young and surprised. It's like, one of my first memories. They were. Those people were terrible. I'm glad my mom got me back, Let me say that.

Geck (39:03)

Really?

Tom Hollow (39:06)

Yeah. Like, when I went to see her, like, I wanted to bring this dinosaur one time, and they were like, you can't take anything with you when you go to see her. And you can't take anything from her anymore either. I think she gave it to me in the first one, but. How old were you stupid shit like that? I must have been like, oh my God, 8, 7ish.

Geck (39:33)

Dude, you know what, I'm sure you feel this way strongly, but like I don't, I don't have the. Maybe I'm missing some kind of context because like I've never really. I've never like worked with kids. I've never been like a. I don't, you know, I don't have kids. I've never been like a teacher or like a cows or any of that. But like, dude, growing like once you like get older and then you like start to think back about like teachers who were dicks or like, you know, like caretakers who were dicks. You start to be. Bro, you start to be. You start to be like, how the could a grown ass man or woman be such an to like a kid, you know? Like, it's like when I think about like shit like teachers said to me or yelled at me about or anything like that, I'm like, how did you have the capacity to be that way to a kid, dude?

Tom Hollow (40:28)

It's just low intelligence, man. They are just not emotionally intelligent at all. The other thing that's pretty interesting is I'll say my voice doesn't match what I look like. I'm kind of a big dude. My main gig for a long time is being a bouncer, but I barely had any altercations because I can talk a dog off a meat wagon. It's one of my skills.

Geck (40:57)

What kind of club were you bouncer at?

Tom Hollow (41:02)

You know the city where all the witches died?

Geck (41:06)

City World of Witches.

Tom Hollow (41:09)

You know the city where all the witches died?

Geck (41:12)

Oh, I thought you said, do you know the city? World of Witches Guide Salem.

Tom Hollow (41:20)

So that was my stomping grounds. I did like on the big city.

Geck (41:29)

Oh, you're cutting out. You're cutting out.

Tom Hollow (41:30)

One of them stuck though. Okay, so I'll try that again. I did three different bars on the main street in that city that like all the tourists, it's like the. Where everything goes on.

Geck (41:51)

Can I, can I get an idea how. Oh, sorry, go ahead, go ahead, I'll let you finish.

Tom Hollow (41:55)

The main one that I did was called Kodo. And it was basically like sushi restaurant during the day, metal club at night with like a bunch of different events that happen every month. They got like gay night and got night and 80s night.

Geck (42:19)

Hmm. Can I get a idea of how like what do you look like, how tall are you? How much do you weigh?

Tom Hollow (42:25)

I am six foot even and I'm currently £278. But I just started hitting the gym again. So I'm gonna get really big. Real big. Really?

Geck (42:39)

Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. No, now I got a picture of you. Now I don't want to with you.

Tom Hollow (42:47)

I got face tats too.

Geck (42:49)

Really? You have face tat? What kind of face tests do you have?

Tom Hollow (42:54)

It's just some generic spooky looking chaos, magic tribal shit I made up. I don't know.

Geck (43:04)

You made it up?

Tom Hollow (43:06)

Yeah, I drew it.

Geck (43:08)

Are you, do you are, do you do a lot of art?

Tom Hollow (43:12)

Not really. That's the thing is like I, I, I spread myself so thin. I do so many different things. So I don't know if you're familiar with Instructor Bense, that guy that does rope dart and meteor hammer. Well, it's basically Scorpion from Mortal Kombat. I do that for fun a lot. A lot of self taught stuff too. Like I feel like I've made up moves before because I don't, I do a lot of. I, I mainly want to write one day if I can find the right artist. I'd love to make like a graphic novel or something.

Geck (43:57)

Have you ever had to get into a physical altercation? Have you ever had to like fight a guy or drag a guy out?

Tom Hollow (44:06)

Okay, I'll tell you a good story. So it's Halloween and Pennywise is getting really shit faced and he's like this beer sucks. He just, he's doing the voice loogie on the floor. Yeah, yeah, hilarious. He's like real in character. He just goes this beer sucks and spits on the floor. And I'm just like dude, what the. Are you an animal? What were you raised in a barn? Like the out of here. And I just, you know, I grabbed him, I grabbed his arms and put him behind his back and walked into the front. It was anything too crazy, but I figured I'd answer your question with a funny one. I made his ass walk to the front. I didn't even throw him out the side door. I could have been nice, but every. He had to do the walk of shame.

Geck (45:05)

So are you still working as a bouncer right now?

Tom Hollow (45:09)

No, I'm currently working in a memory unit.

Geck (45:12)

What's a memory unit?

Tom Hollow (45:15)

So it's basically in an old folks home. I work on the loony floor like for when they are really gone.

Geck (45:23)

Oh, I feel like you, I Feel like you probably gained some transferable skills as a bouncer.

Tom Hollow (45:31)

Yes. You're one of the few people I've talked to who understands this jump. It's still people. It's still people.

Geck (45:41)

Tell me about this jump.

Tom Hollow (45:45)

I'm. I do activities, so I hang out with them and, like, make them root beer floats and put Peewee's playhouse on the tv and we have a blast.

Geck (45:58)

That's awesome. That's really cool. Have you. Okay, so let me ask you this. Paid more, because if some of. Some of these people are a little unstable. Have you had a lot of. You've told me that you can talk a dog off a meat wagon. Have you had to diffuse any old folks home? Like, have you had to, like, break up any fights or anything? Yeah, yeah. Hit me. Hit me.

Tom Hollow (46:20)

So there's this guy. I can't say names, but he. So he's just like, sorry, cut out.

Geck (46:28)

Sorry, man. You cut. You could. You cut out. You cut out. Do you want to say that again?

Tom Hollow (46:35)

So there's this one guy, and he's. He used to do accounting or something, but he got real worried about not seeing his wife because she comes by really often. And so he had this nurse just, like, in a death grip. And I. I went up to him and I was just like, man, man, it's okay. It's okay. She told you she was going to see the boys. Like, it's all right. She went to her trip and whatever. I'm trying to avoid details because I'm not supposed to do that, but, yeah, he. He was just looking me in the eyes, telling me, like, no one told me that. You didn't tell me that. And I'm like, dude, I said his name to him and I'm like, dude, I know you. You know me. Have I ever lied to you? Have I ever steered you wrong, man, you know, we're good. I promise you. And he ended up letting her hand go. I didn't have to, like, rip it off, thankfully.

Geck (47:37)

How long you been working in the memory unit?

Tom Hollow (47:41)

Almost a year now. I. I honestly, it's. It's good for the soul. Like, the bouncer jobs were, because I. I always really like that. Keeping people safe and stuff. That's always kind of been a passion. I could actually tell you the story of when I think I. I gained that, like, where I really knew I wanted to do something like that, like security. But the memory unit is rough. It is rough because, like, you lose people all the time.

Hank (48:18)

That.

Tom Hollow (48:19)

And I do better in, like, a bar setting. I'D like to get back into what I was doing, but I just can't afford to live anywhere that has a scene. I'm stuck somewhere kind of close by, but the, the last train of the night leaves before I'd be able to get home. So my old spot is just not doable from here.

Geck (48:43)

What's your name again?

Tom Hollow (48:45)

Tom.

Geck (48:46)

Tom. It's interesting that you say you have a lot of anxiety because you're in a lot of kind of anxiety because you seem to be in all these seemingly anxiety producing situations that you're, you're able to keep calm in.

Tom Hollow (49:01)

It all melted away. I feel great now. Thank you.

Geck (49:04)

Yeah, but you're able to keep, you're able to keep calm in all these kind of crazy situations, like, oh, that's what you're being paid for.

Tom Hollow (49:11)

You know, the little things get me going. But like, when it's true crisis, when like the building's on fire, I'm like, all right, everyone, let's go. Really? That is what I'm like.

Geck (49:30)

So what's your ultimate dream is you want to start making videos?

Tom Hollow (49:35)

I mainly want to do that just so that I can get enough income to get back to a city with a real scene. I want to be a bouncer again and still be able to afford rent is essentially what I want to be able to do. I like just being around and keeping people safe because I, I feel like I do a good job, but I'm just not cut out to be a cop either.

Hank (49:58)

So.

Tom Hollow (50:02)

Like I, I come up with no nonsense policies that bars still use to this day. Like, for example, if someone goes in the bathroom with a drink I was always a fan of, you know, instead of confiscating it in case they spiked it, look them in the eye and just be like, look, you can go through the whole rigmarole of getting that replaced or you can just take a big swig of that in front of me. So I know that if there's anything in there, you're getting some too.

Geck (50:35)

And what would typically happen when you.

Tom Hollow (50:38)

Would, oh, dude, I used that line like a hundred times. And people were always so much more excited and willing to do that than have to go through all the bullshit.

Geck (50:51)

What's a city?

Tom Hollow (50:52)

Great. Awesome. Sorry, I brought in the bathroom.

Geck (50:54)

What's a city that you would most want to be a part of their scene?

Tom Hollow (51:00)

I want to get back to Salem. I love it.

Geck (51:04)

Where are you now, can I ask?

Tom Hollow (51:08)

Currently in Gloucester. Not a. Not as good of a fit.

Geck (51:13)

And do you got friends over there at Least do you have, like, homies or family?

Tom Hollow (51:17)

I got people who I hit up. And, like, we do D and D and stuff. Like, I got my boys.

Geck (51:24)

Very good. What? Hello? What the hell just happened?

Hank (51:40)

Catch.

Geck (51:41)

Oh, hey. Are you there?

Tom Hollow (51:43)

Yeah.

Geck (51:44)

Oh, sorry. What was that?

Tom Hollow (51:46)

I don't know.

Geck (51:48)

Okay, we're keeping that in. That was like. That was psychedelic. Anyway, what happened? Never. I don't even. I don't know. I don't know, but we're keeping it in.

Tom Hollow (51:58)

Okay.

Geck (51:59)

Tom, right?

Tom Hollow (52:02)

Yeah. Tom Hollow.

Geck (52:03)

Tom Hollow. Oh, you can go. Yeah, we can go first if you want to. We can go first. Last name. You want to be first. Last name.

Tom Hollow (52:09)

Well, I mean, I'm trying to get famous, right? So I gotta. I gotta plug.

Geck (52:14)

Okay. Here, let me look at your. What. What is Tom Hollow?

Hank (52:17)

What is that on Tom Hollow?

Tom Hollow (52:20)

7 on tick tock right now. I'm trying to.

Geck (52:23)

I'm so excited to. I'm so excited to see what you look like because you pro. I would be willing to bet that you look very different from. Yeah. How you sound. Tom Hollow.

Tom Hollow (52:33)

I know.

Hank (52:33)

I know.

Tom Hollow (52:34)

I hate it. I hate it. The.

Hank (52:36)

The difference.

Tom Hollow (52:36)

Why do you hate it different, though? My. My wife's cool that. She thinks it's cute. She thinks I sound like the guy from the Thieves Guild in Skyrim. The. The guy that goes like this. I don't know.

Geck (52:50)

Tom Hollow. How do you spell Tom? Oh, is it. Oh. Oh, there's two M's in there. What the fuck?

Tom Hollow (53:00)

Oh, my God, that's so gross.

Geck (53:04)

What the hell? Who. What is that? Tom, are you still there? Oh, no. Tom is gone, man. All right, Tom. Tom. All right. That was weird. What the hell was that? Is he, like, on Is. He's on like a landline and his wife just picked up. I didn't. I thought he was, like, alone. I didn't know his wife was there, so maybe that was. That's what that is. Was that a sound bite? Okay, I'm gonna have to end the call if he doesn't get back to me in just a sec, but. Okay. Tom. Wait, is he still there? Hello? Tom? All right. I think Tom's gone. All right, Tom's gone. I don't know what this is. This is psychedelic. We're keeping it all in. It's all staying there. Let me see if I can call him back or if I have. No, I. Shit. I can't. Or can I hold on? All right. Tom's gone. That sucks. I liked to Tom. I could have kept talking to Tom for a while. I'm trying to find his fucking TikTok. Wait, okay, maybe hold on. Let me see if I can get him back. This might be him. Hello? Okay, you're back. Wait, what's your. What. What's your. What's the. What's the name? What's the username?

Tom Hollow (54:36)

Hold on, let me just put in the chat.

Geck (54:39)

Okay. Oh, Thomas Hollow. Tom Hollow 90. Oh. Oh, okay. Oh, Tom Hollow 97.

Tom Hollow (54:54)

Hold on, Geck. I'm. I'm terrible with phones. I'm working on it.

Geck (54:58)

It's all right. I got to know what you look like before the end of this thing. Okay, Tom Hollow 97 on TikTok. No, Tom, just tell me what the thing is. It's all right. It's all right. Well, you can't hear me. This is a cluster.

Hank (55:14)

All right?

Tom Hollow (55:14)

I put it in the chat.

Geck (55:15)

Here we go. Here we are. Oh, I see you crazy. I don't think you look that different from what I imagine you're you. From what I imagined you to be.

Tom Hollow (55:35)

Really? That's the first time I've ever heard that. Yo, I'm on the phone with a Geck right now. I'm on the phone with therapy.

Geck (55:41)

Actually. No, you. Yeah, okay. Actually, maybe you look a little bit different. I mean, I think it's the big hair and the beard. Yeah, I think I maybe imagined you as more of like a little boy.

Tom Hollow (55:54)

What?

Geck (55:55)

Yeah, I don't know why.

Tom Hollow (55:58)

I don't know about that.

Geck (56:00)

Well, Tom, let me ask you. Let me ask you. This is. Okay, everyone go. Yeah, everyone go follow Thomas Hollow 7. He's got unlicensed therapy, roped art, hot takes, and DND memes.

Hank (56:19)

Thanks.

Tom Hollow (56:19)

I appreciate that, Thomas.

Geck (56:21)

This was good. This was a. This was a good conversation. I enjoyed talking to you. I hope that. I hope you keep doing your shit and you keep telling people your stories.

Tom Hollow (56:28)

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I would hate for this whole call to be a plug. I could give you, like, a cool story.

Geck (56:35)

Oh, well, if you want. You want to give us. If you have a few more stories that you want to give us, you can give it to us.

Tom Hollow (56:40)

Dude, I could go on. This is what I'm trying to do. Okay. Okay. I'm so sorry that that took up any of this time.

Geck (56:48)

That's all right.

Tom Hollow (56:48)

Okay, You. You give me a tone, and I've got a story for it. I could tell you a funny story. I could tell you a scary ass story.

Geck (56:56)

Let's hear. Let. How about this? Before we go, let's hear one funny story.

Tom Hollow (57:01)

Okay. Funny story again. Okay.

Geck (57:04)

All right, you know what? Fuck you, Tom. What story do you want to tell us?

Hank (57:13)

Oh, man.

Tom Hollow (57:15)

Okay, I'll tell you about a story from this morning that was pretty funny.

Geck (57:19)

Okay, go ahead.

Tom Hollow (57:21)

So me and my roommate who's going to the gym with me every day, 5am We're. We just finished our workout and we went to go into the. The locker room, and my boy over here holds the door open, like, to let someone out who, like, is holding a towel. Like, this poor old man's holding a fucking towel. And he almost did it. He almost walked out into the hall. Fucking shit. Can you believe that? He held the door like. And the old man was laughing too, because he was like, I almost did it and just got banned from this gym for the rest of my life, probably.

Geck (58:05)

Oh, because he was what? Cause he was walking around naked.

Tom Hollow (58:10)

No, he was in a towel. And my boy here held the door open. We were walking into the. The locker room and my buddy held the door open to, like, let the dude out even though he was in a towel. Like, my boy wasn't paying attention. Like, trying to be considerate.

Geck (58:30)

I see, I see, I see, like.

Tom Hollow (58:32)

Ushering the dude out.

Geck (58:36)

I kind of want to hear a scary story.

Tom Hollow (58:39)

And then we'll go, okay. This is the freakiest shit that I will never be able to explain because it doesn't make any sense and it haunts me to this day. So me and my childhood friend Evan used to break into this old building all the time, and everyone had a different explanation for what this building used to be. I've heard totally conflicting things. Like, someone said they used to make, like, certain parts for missiles that were used in a war or something. I call because there was, like, posters with little kids, hand prints in paint. Like, it had to have been a preschool or something, but it was freaky in there. There was a desk that was chained to the wall in the middle of the building. There was like a big metal room or elevator or something with like a. A round green window that made it look like it was like a glowing reactor or something. I know it was just like green window with light going through, but it was just an ominous ass place. Let me just set that scene. We found this pile of books. They were like premium red leather, gold numbers on the side. They were all part of, like, a set. Clearly now we were like kid kids we didn't know. And we used to like that bell. So we needed a book for a prop. We took it and I remember looking through that, and on one side it would have names and then dots all the way across the page. And on the other side of that page it would say alive or deceased. I have no idea what those books were, what they were records of because they didn't have anything else going on. It was just names and alive or deceased. And we ended up wrecking that book and we went back to get another one and the giant pile was gone.

Geck (61:05)

Very spooky. Very Halloween.

Tom Hollow (61:07)

Very spooky.

Geck (61:08)

Very spooky.

Tom Hollow (61:08)

Like I just don't know no one. It's going to harm me forever because I'm never going to know what the fuck that was about.

Geck (61:16)

Maybe the books died and they're. And disintegrated.

Tom Hollow (61:23)

No way. Because we went back like a couple of days later. The one that we had did disintegrate because we left it under the porch like idiots and it rained. That's why we went back to get another one like just a couple days later and they were all gone. Maybe like a homeless person used them to like start a fire. Like you're cold. Like I've thought about this a lot and things that could have happened, but it's just weird.

Geck (61:50)

Well, Tom, thanks for sharing. Thanks for sharing your stories. We had the, we had the haunted. We had the haunted book. I like, you're not, you're. You're a cool guy, man. I hope that you continue your journey through life. You know, I'm glad that you found a. Found, found a founder. Like a good lane to be in, being, you know, a keeper of the peace and all that. Thank you brother. Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?

Tom Hollow (62:17)

No matter what you do, someone is gonna think that it's their full time job to make you feel like you're not doing shit. But as long as you know you're giving it your all, that's all that really matters.

Geck (62:30)

Hey, thanks for calling Tom. Appreciate you.

Tom Hollow (62:32)

Have a good one. Gab.

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Geck (65:36)

Okay, I am going to do a thing I've been doing on this podcast again, which is that I'm going to end the session by reading a few emails. I feel like that's a nice way to do it. We have a couple calls, we have a couple emails. I don't know if I'm going to do it every podcast. I'm probably still going to do email only and call only episodes, but I kind of like. I'm kind of enjoying this thing of doing email only or doing like a little hybrid one. So I'm just gonna read a couple of emails, nothing crazy. If you want to be in one of these emails, you can send me an email@therapygeckomailmail.com that's therapygeckomailmail.com okay. This is from Anya. Hey, Geck. Longtime listener, first time emailer. Every now and then I call in hoping you'll answer, only to be met with the automated recording. Hopefully one day we'll get a chance to talk. Anyway, I wanted to offer a recommendation for people trying to get out of the house volunteering. I started volunteering at an animal shelter a couple months ago and it truly brings me joy. I work with the dogs, help out at the front desk, wash dishes, do laundry. I clean. And it brings me joy and gets me out of the house. I've been working from home part time since COVID and I go to school part time. I live in North Philly in an apartment building with seven other units. You mentioned you went to Temple University. That's. Yeah. Shout out to where? That's your. You are living in my. My old stomping grounds. I enjoy being alone, which is cool because for a long time I was alone and lonely. Now I'm just by myself, which is a big difference. But I found that I was spending too much time alone and wanted to socialize. So I started volunteering and it brings me a lot of joy. I will also start volunteering at a bookstore that has an after school program where I'll be helping out with the kids in my neighborhood. I'm nervous, but excited for that as well. I haven't made any friends yet, but I've had great interactions and conversations with the people I volunteer with and that has been fulfilling to me at this moment. So if anyone is interested, look into volunteering opportunities that pique your interest. Also, if you want to. Also, can you share my email so people can reach out to me? Sure. This is Spiritual Black Girl. Okay, hold on. It's. You gotta get a new. Wait. Spiritual black girlahoo.com but black is spelled blk and girl is no. There's no I in girl. So it's just grl. That's. Send an email to Spiritual Black Girl. Don't send Her. Anything weird, just say hi. Hello. Just be cool. Okay. This is from. Let's see. Okay. Actually, I don't have any. Okay, let's try. Let's try this one. This is from Ripley. Subject line, third shift. Dear Lyle, I work nights at a dog daycare and boarding facility, so I am alone a lot. There are people here for an hour at the start of my shift, and then after they leave, I have the building to myself for the rest of the night. This job is great because there is usually about two or three hours of actual work followed by whatever the hell I want. Most nights after I'm done with work, I smoke a joint and watch movies or YouTube and it feels amazing because I'm getting paid more than any other job I've had and I have more freedom than I ever thought possible. But after six months of doing this job, I'm starting to feel like I've run out of things to do at night and I'm getting lonely. I've never been an extrovert. I'm extremely shy, anxious, and bad at communicating. So I thought this job would be perfect for me. I basically isolated myself from all social interaction. At first I liked it, and I was really starting to learn more about myself. But now I'm craving friendship. I've tried putting myself out there by making friends with some of the people that work during the daytime, but they don't text me as much anymore and don't invite me when they do things together. So I convinced myself that I'm annoying them. Now I found a Discord server full of voice chats with random people to practice having conversations, but I'm starting to learn that they aren't filled with the best kinds of people. I'm pretty sure this job is a safety net that turned into a hammock and I'm not sure what to do. That was a saying I got from your show that really stuck with me. I was wondering where I heard that before. I guess, yeah, somebody said it. Listening to your show always helps me get out of my own thoughts. The way you talk to everyone is. Hold on, wait. I think about this piece of advice. Thank you for your show. Thank you, Ripley. Sorry, I don't like to. I feel weird reading emails of people glazing me. I don't know if that makes me a dick, but I feel. But I appreciate. I appreciate you, Ripley. Thank you. Also, I love when you take your shirt off. He didn't phrase it like that. He said, I love the shirtless Geck episodes. Anyway, Ripley. Well, I Don't. I mean, I could say the same. I, you, you. I mean, I've been talking about this over and over again, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think the Discord chat is a good one. You could find more discords.

Hank (71:30)

Hmm.

Geck (71:30)

What else could you do? I don't know. I don't, I don't, I. Hmm. Sorry, I'm having a brain fart right now. But, yeah, I, I, I hope Ripley finds something to do. I'm sorry, I can't, I'm not, I can't give advice in this very moment. I don't, I don't, I. But I hope Ripley finds something good to do with his life. This was, Is it, is it bad to have a advice podcast and then just not give advice? I don't know if I wouldn't consider this an advice podcast. What else can I say about things? I don't know if I have anything else to say. I'm gonna rant for a bit. I'm just gonna rant. Someone in the chat said finding friends in adulthood is hard. It is. But I believe that, you know, if you put yourself out there, you'll find things to do. You know, someone asked people, do people still use Yahoo? They do. I don't know why. Man, smoking weed and watching YouTube is fun. I get why you're in. I get why you're having a good time smoking weed and watching YouTube. I'm not gonna say that I think you're crazy for smoking weed and watching YouTube. I really, I really do get you. Okay, let's do one more. This is from Cameron. Subject line. I want to cross dress, but I'm afraid. Hey, Geck. You can call me Cameron. I am a 21 year old male and I want to start cross dressing, but I am afraid. I've always loved the more feminine side of life and I want to start dressing and acting more feminine. But I feel afraid. All of my co workers and family are either super religious or homophobic. I have told my friends about this and they understand and are perfectly fine with how I act and dress, which is a big help. I live a few blocks down from my parents, so I dress up at home sometimes, but I want to dress up in public as well. I guess I'm just afraid of what everyone's expectations of me are and how people feel about me. I would also like to have a boyfriend, but my family has said they would disown me if I ever dated a man. I feel like I'm trapped from. I'm trapped of be away from being my true self. Thanks for listening to me rant. I hope you have an amazing day and thanks for all you do. Sincerely, Cameron. Thank you for sending this email. Cameron. Beautiful time. Time for a straight white man to give advice on a podcast about being yourself, and I will do that gladly. Cameron. Cameron. Cameron. Well, man. Well, honestly, camera, if you're listening to me right now, I'm gonna assume you, you, you. You're 21. I'm assuming you're still living in the town that you grew up in, and I understand it's a difficult economy, but when I read this email, I'm like, fuck, man, this guy's got to go find a place to be, you know? Because I think. Wait, hold on. Why am I. You live. You don't live with your parents. You live down the block from your parents. But I feel for you. I feel for you, man. I'm really sorry. It's. It's a. It's a fucking damn shame that your parents said that to you. I really. I'm sorry to hear that they said that to you. That's a fucking damn shame. But you can't let your parents stop you from living your life. You know what I mean? You don't. You don't need. I assume that you're not financially reliant upon them because you don't live in the same places they do. And look, the way I see it, brother, is. Is if your rent is paid, do whatever you want. You know, I. I think. I think. Cameron, listen to me. If you want to have a boyfriend, if you want to date guys, please, please, please, please, please do not let you know. I mean, you're an adult, man. Like, don't let your family stop you from doing that. Don't let your family stop you from, like, living your life. You know, it's. It was nice of them to birth you into existence, but beyond that, you can't. You can't let them dictate your shit. You know, it sounds like you live in a. Bro, it sounds like you live in a bad place or not. A bad, bad place is a strong thing. Sorry, my brain is running out of energy. But you got to get out. You got to go see the world somehow, because it seems like it sounds like you're in, like, a. Like a red state small town where everyone is, like, super religious and homophobic. And it's like, bro, Cameron, come to Bushwick, Brooklyn, brother. Come to Bushwick, Brooklyn. Go to fucking Portland. Go to, like, oh, my God. Like, I don't know, man, you're 21. I get it. You got good friends, you got family. Economy's hard, but like, fucking get your ass out there in the world, my friend. Because here's the thing. You. Seems like you grew up in a place where, like, everyone's like, religious and homophobic and crazy. I don't know much about you, Cameron. I don't know where you've traveled or where you've been or anything like that, but, like, you're gonna. Dude, like, if you go to Bushwick, your head's gonna fucking explode. You're gonna be like, holy shit. I didn't realize that there was a. All these sanctuaries all over the world of people just doing whatever the fuck they want, you know, and it hurts. It hurts my heart to hear that your family said that they would disown you. That's. That's. That. That really fucking sucks ass. I feel for you on that. But you can't let that dictate what you going to do with your life. Try, I don't know, try your best to figure out how you can get the fuck out somewhere else. If you've been living. If you've been living in the religious, homophobic, like, small ass town for all 21 years of your life, like, listen, you do you, man, but like, you should try to. You should try to give a little shot at seeing what life might be like. Seeing if you can find a job in some other. You know, even just like, I don't know what state you live in, but I'm sure there's a large city in whatever state you're in where you'll find other people and you'll find interesting communities and scenarios where, like, where you're like, oh, shit, these people think I'm weird for not being dressed up as a lady, you know? So I hope you. I hope you find or create some opportunity for yourself to expand beyond those horizons and like, live your. Fuck it, live your life. Dude, this is. That's. That's the best. The main takeaway I'm getting from this email is like, you're scared to live your life because you were just. It's like you're scared to live your life because your parents are assholes and they didn't encourage you to live your life, but I think you should live your life, man. I don't know if that was. I don't know if that motivational speech was anything but. But we did it. We did a motivational speech and we did a podcast and we talked to people. We talked to Thomas and we talked to Hank the fart man and we had a good time. I think we had a good time. This was good. I had a good time. I'm gonna go send an email and do a push up and drink a cup of water. Geck. Bless you all. Thank you for listening. See you again on Sunday.

Hank (79:44)

Bye bye.

Geck (79:45)

Hello folks, it's Lyle here. That's the end of this episode. But get this, I'm releasing a bonus episode this week. That's right, an entire extra hour of the podcast that you can listen to by becoming a premium member of Therapy gecko over at therapygecko.supercast.com Supercast subscribers get access to bonus episodes. They get a completely ad free podcast feed of the regular show. They get recordings from my live shows members only streams and they help support my ability to continue doing this podcast. So here's a clip from this week's members only bonus episode.

Tom Hollow (80:26)

Well, I can't stop masturbating.

Geck (80:29)

You can't stop masturbating?

Hank (80:30)

Nope.

Tom Hollow (80:31)

I mean, for example, one day this girl came into work and she was.

Hank (80:36)

Just straight up like butt naked. And I was like, well, it's just like God toying with me at this point.

Tom Hollow (80:43)

I was the only cashier and I had to make everyone wait so I.

Hank (80:47)

Could go in the bathroom and jerk off.

Geck (80:50)

Isn't that stressful though? Like having to come while you know that there's a bunch of people waiting for you? Because that's like double. It's like when you take a shit in a single stall bathroom and you know that there's a line outside of it. Or did that like stress not even occur to you because you just were so checked out?

Tom Hollow (81:09)

The stress of needing to jerk off is much greater than the stress of.

Hank (81:14)

The social political environment of my job.

Geck (81:17)

If you want to hear this full conversation, you can sign up to become a premium member@therapygecko.supercast.com or find the link in the episode description. That's therapygecko.supercast.com Alright, I have nothing else to say.

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