Caveman (2:23)

From the actual cave?

Therapy Gecko (2:25)

You're calling from a cave?

Caveman (2:27)

Yes, the cave. Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (2:31)

You're a caveman and you're calling from the cave?

Caveman (2:36)

Yes, I do. I'm calling from the cave. Is the sound quality okay? I can go to the. The. My other cave that is a little bit less windy you have. Is it connection?

Therapy Gecko (2:48)

Okay, hold on, hold on. Slow down for me, brother. You have two caves?

Caveman (2:52)

Yeah, yeah, I do.

Therapy Gecko (2:54)

In this economy, how the hell do you have two caves?

Caveman (2:58)

Yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of free apartments, so if anyone want to join, come in.

Therapy Gecko (3:07)

Think the people need to. I think the people need to get to know you a little bit before they take you up on your offer to live in a cave with you.

Caveman (3:14)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like a free space for everyone who knows it and. Yeah. Are you.

Therapy Gecko (3:24)

Are you French?

Caveman (3:27)

No, I am Polish originally. But now I'm in Tenerife. This is the island that is a part of Spain. And yeah, I'm chilling. I'm homeless. I'm living in the cave.

Therapy Gecko (3:45)

You are living in a cave on an island in Spain?

Caveman (3:51)

Yes, I do.

Therapy Gecko (3:54)

The phone reception is quite. The phone reception there is quite good.

Caveman (4:01)

Oh, that's great. Yeah, I'm pretty high on the. Like, on the mountain, so. Yeah, so I'm glad. Oh, I'm a little bit shaking. I am very stressed out by this phone call. I didn't thought I'm gonna get in and I'm really happy to talk to you.

Therapy Gecko (4:24)

Finally, brother, you live in a cave. How are you getting stressed out about a phone call?

Caveman (4:30)

Right. Yeah, phone calls are hard. And also, I really want to talk to you and I like, listen to pretty much all of your podcasts. I'm searching in the Spotify and I'm like, I've only few left to listen to.

Therapy Gecko (4:49)

Yeah, I got a bunch of texts from you on the Google voice line where you were talking thing, and I never. I never called you back because I. I wanted to wait for the time to be right. But here we are. And I'm very curious about this whole cave thing. So what's your story, caveman? How did you end up living in a cave?

Caveman (5:15)

Hmm. It's a kind of long story. Like home. My whole life, like, contributed to. To me being in this place. So do you want to, like, the whole life story or just how I know about this place and why I live here right now?

Therapy Gecko (5:38)

Let's do the whole life story. This is. This might. This could end up being a whole podcast worth of information. Here. I'm down to hear it.

Caveman (5:50)

Yeah. Yeah. I listened to the guy, like, to you. Oh, I listened to the. Recently, the podcast you did with the guy who, like, traveled all around the world and done some crazy with some airplanes, and that was so crazy.

Therapy Gecko (6:13)

Yeah.

Caveman (6:13)

And, yeah, I. I am kind of like this guy. I want to be like this guy. I want to travel the world. All right, so I am currently 20 years old. I'm gonna be 21 in a month in May. And I'm sorry, I'm very stressed out. Phone call. So I. I'm an orphan, and I'm autistic. So this is the two biggest things that I think contributed, being autistic and being an orphan. So my father died when I was 12, and my mother when I was 15, and I. Pretty much. My whole life was kind of. I was kind of on my own, and I was taking care of my little brother, and I was living with my grandma for a while. And when I was 18 and I finished school, I moved out to the bigger city and did that for a few months. But the Depression, like, was crumbling me to the dust. And, like, two years ago, I kind of explored more, like, alternative communities, people. And I discovered the Tenerife. And the people told me about the Tenerife and the caves and that people live here in the middle of nowhere sometimes. And I wanted to try it out. So I did five months ago. I've been here for 16 days to, like, check it out. And it was cool. It was very cool. And when the life in Poland, like, crumbled because of the Depression and of the cold, and it was. I'm kind of stressed out. I decided to leave everything behind me. School, money, everything. And it just. I'm just living in a cave, and I'm having fun.

Therapy Gecko (9:01)

So on this island, do you live alone in this ca. Does anyone else live on this island?

Caveman (9:07)

No, there's a lot of people on this island. It's very touristy island. There's also local people that lives here, and they really like tourists because hotels are everywhere. And. Yeah, there's a lot of people living in the cave in the place I am. I'm not gonna, like, specify the city because I don't want to, like. I don't want to get too much attention for the people who live there because they want to live in the peace.

Therapy Gecko (9:46)

So you lit. Do you live alone in this cave, or are there other people living in the cave?

Caveman (9:52)

Yeah, I'm living alone. There's a lot of, like, caves near me. But in my Spot it. Don't have, really, neighbors. I have one guy who has, like, communal cave when a lot of people, like, step by and we cook food and we, like, hang out together. But I am pretty much alone, and I really need that to. To get more independent of myself. And I have, like, solar panels and. Yeah, I'm. I'm doing okay. Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (10:32)

So what do you. Yeah, what's the setup like in this cave? Do you. Do you. Are you just, like, squatting in this cave? Like, how'd you find the cave? What's the square footage? Cave? What do you. How much do you pay for rent in the cave? What's. What's the. Yeah, what's the rundown? Exactly.

Caveman (10:51)

So, yeah, you need to find it. There's, like, caves that are already built by someone and they are just left out because a lot of people come here in the winter and then go back to their countries when it starts to get warm. There are some people who live on this island the whole year because the temperature doesn't really go more than 10 degrees Celsius. I don't know. I know you use Fahrenheit. I don't know. Yeah. So I found myself a cave. I mean, it's a hole in the rock. So this kind of cave, in Polish, there's two different words for, like, because the cave is, like, deeper, deeper, and you can, like, go in the tunnels. And this is, like, a hole in the rock. Is it. Do you have, like, words or it. In English, a hole.

Therapy Gecko (12:02)

Do I have a word for a hole in a rock?

Caveman (12:06)

Yeah, I think there's, like, two words for it, and one is a cave. Everybody calls it cave here. So it's a cave? Pretty much, yeah.

Therapy Gecko (12:18)

Yeah. A hole in a rock. That sounds. I guess that's what a cave is. It's a hole in a big. In a rock. That's probably not true at all, but. Okay. So do you have a bed in this cave, or do you sleep on the floor?

Caveman (12:34)

I found two mattresses, and I. Actually, this is a better mattress than I have in. Than I had in Poland. And it's pretty comfy. I found a lot of. It's pretty cozy. It's very cozy. And creating my own, like, personal space from the things I found in the trash was amazing. And I love to live here and spending time here to draw, hang out with friends that I invite. Yeah, this is a very cool space.

Therapy Gecko (13:08)

So you have friends on this island. You're not, like, alone. You sound like you have a pretty good life on this island. You're not alone. You have homies. You have cave nights. You have board game night at the cave.

Caveman (13:24)

Yeah, we didn't have a board games, but we sometimes play chess.

Therapy Gecko (13:28)

Chess is a board game.

Caveman (13:33)

Yeah, it is.

Therapy Gecko (13:35)

All right, so wait. All right, so I, I, here's the thing. What, what's your caveman? I'm gonna call you caveman. Yeah, I'm still trying to get a picture of what you're like. I'm trying to imagine what the cave looks like. Okay, so.

Caveman (13:52)

So I'm gonna send you pictures after this.

Therapy Gecko (13:55)

How do you eat? Like, what do you, what food do you consume?

Caveman (14:01)

I eat from the trash.

Therapy Gecko (14:04)

Are you serious?

Caveman (14:06)

Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (14:07)

You eat from the trash, man. Like, yeah, like, okay, so other people. So other people, like, like, okay, so this is a big touristy island, right? So like, folks come and they waste a bunch of food and you go dumpster diving and you, and you get.

Caveman (14:25)

Food from the trash and basically, yeah, I don't go to like, normal trash when you can find like everywhere from the homes or the hotels, but I go to, like big market shops and they throw out like a lot, a lot of stuff because the packaging are damaged or it's like one or two days out of date and they cannot sell it. You would be surprised how much food is waste yesterday. I've been with my friends who just visited me two days ago, and we were on the, on the dumpster diving mission, and we found like a block of cheese, Gnocchi. Gnocchi. I don't know how to say it properly. And some chorizo, mozzarella cheese and all. Spinach, bananas, and yeah, some veggies. A lot, a lot of stuff. And I yesterday I made like gnocchi with tomatoes with the heavy cream sauce, spinach, and three types of cheeses. So I eat pretty good.

Therapy Gecko (15:54)

So you have friends that visit you. So these friends that we're visiting, are they friends from Poland or these are friends from the island that you made?

Caveman (16:05)

I have a lot of friends from different countries, but I had friend, I'm gonna call her sky because she wears all blue. She is kind of like a sky. And she's very hard to talk to get the contact with her because she doesn't use any sort of media and she's only using the SMS type text. And we have seen each other like three times in, in my life. And I just thought about, about her and I called her and I told her, hey, I'm on tonight. Do you want to come? And she, yeah, I'm gonna visit you for a Month. And so. Yeah, she. She's here.

Therapy Gecko (16:56)

Oh, cool.

Caveman (16:58)

Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (16:59)

So you have a friend. So you have a friend who's staying with you for a month.

Caveman (17:04)

Yeah, basically I'm gonna give her my one cave like for just her own. But today we. We are sleeping together because there was a big rain and we need to like my one, my. I'm sorry. I'm so stressed out. I had this whole conversation pan out in my mind. I thought about calling you so many times.

Therapy Gecko (17:28)

Do me here. Let caveman do me. Do me a favor. How about this? Listen, I know you said you had this whole conversation planned out in your mind, but abandon your plan. Abandon whatever you had planned out in your mind. You know, I. Yeah, I'm just curious about. I have. I have a lot of just. I mean, you live in a cave, man. I have a lot of questions. Yeah, you know, you don't have to. We don't. We don't have to follow any kind of plan. We can just. We can just chit chat, brother. There's nothing to be stressed out about.

Caveman (18:02)

Yeah. When I like have. I want to like answer questions. I don't want to talk too much on my own because I'm gonna lose myself completely. So.

Therapy Gecko (18:16)

Okay, so you dumpster. So you. Do you. Okay. So I assume you don't like, do you work on the island or are you kind of doing like a no money life?

Caveman (18:30)

Pretty much no money life. I have some money saved up. Not a lot, but it's enough to survive. So if I need like buy toilet paper and there's no food in the trash, I can buy some food and hook low effort meal.

Therapy Gecko (18:54)

What's the weather like on this. On this island?

Caveman (18:58)

Now it's a rainy season and there's one cloud, like small, and the sky is all blue. So this is how it is on this part of the island. There are I think seven or eight rainy days in the whole year. And today was the one that was rainy. Yeah. Tenerife is kinda, kinda cool if like climate wise because one part of the island is pretty much dry and you have like cacti everywhere and it's sand and it's pretty much bare. And the other side is kind of like subtropical and their rain is like more present. And also you have trees. You have like pretty much little jungle.

Therapy Gecko (19:58)

What do you do all day?

Caveman (20:06)

Vibing, chilling. Don't. I'm not stressing about anything really. And it's physical change from my life in the past few years.

Therapy Gecko (20:24)

What was your life like in the past few years?

Caveman (20:30)

Chaotic. And with a lot of personal growth. So, yeah, I'm pretty young. I'm only 20. So I finished school and I am veterinary technician. And then I move out to the bigger city and I lived in a few places, start living with my good friends. And that was cool to experience, like, having living with actual, actual friends and. And yeah, but I was fucking depressed all the time and.

Therapy Gecko (21:18)

Yeah, why do you think you were fucking depressed all the time?

Caveman (21:24)

Hmm. I didn't have a purpose. And the thing is, the most hard depression I had was like, when the winter started and I finished my veterinary school and I moved out to the bigger city and I am an orphan. So until I am 25, I get the money from the government if. If I am in the school system. So if I'm learning, I'm getting the money in. So I went to, like, school when I had two days of actual learning, and then 12 days at 12, 12 days of free time, and I still get. I was still getting the money, and the money was enough to don't work and just lay on my ass all day. And yeah, I didn't have space for, like, exploring my free time, and I was just sitting on my ass and rotting on my phone, and it was so fucking depressing. So I needed to make a big change. And here I am looking on a beautiful mountain right now, and when I turn my head around, there's an ocean.

Therapy Gecko (22:58)

Do you feel good about your big change?

Caveman (23:02)

Yeah. This is probably one of the best decisions I made in my life.

Therapy Gecko (23:09)

Do you think about the future? Do you think about what you want to do or kind of what your life will be like in the future? Yeah, when you think about the future, what kind of thoughts do you have?

Caveman (23:21)

Yeah, yeah, all the time. All the time. And it's pretty interesting in with how many. In how many ways you can, like, experience life and. Yeah, like, I'm thinking about maybe buying a van, maybe go to work and save the money to buy a piece of land. Maybe here. The land here, it's very touristy, so it's kind of expensive. But there's also other islands because this is the group called Canary Islands. And you can find some, like, small piece of land that you can, like, grow fruits and build, like, small, small house. And that would be cool to have, like, I don't know if on the. I'm. I'm so sorry about my English and me being so stressed out. I feel like my. I'm swollen, swallowing my tongue.

Therapy Gecko (24:30)

No, no, no.

Caveman (24:31)

All the time. Thank you. Thank you, G. Yeah, I'M feeling a lot how you can experience life and about the many ways you can live it. And I am pretty excited about it. Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (24:51)

Yeah. I mean, shit, man, you're fucking. You're only 20. I mean, you have so much. Yeah. Life experience. Yeah. That's the thing, man, is there are infinite ways to experience life. It can be a little overwhelming sometimes. I'm finding there are pretty infinite ways to experience life. It can be pretty overwhelming sometimes. But, I mean, I'm just. I'm glad to hear that you found you're finding some kind of. You know, it sounds like you. You have. I mean, I know you say you're stressed out on this phone call, but is it. Is it fair to say that you generally feel peaceful?

Caveman (25:37)

For the first time in my life, I think, yeah, it's wonderful. I feel. I feel peaceful. My friend, like, maybe an hour ago, send me some sort of, like, autism chart when you have, like, the problems that autistic people struggle with. And she told me to fill it out and she gonna fill it out with me. And it was in the, like, depression, anxiety, social. Social skills and all that in the current season. And I still filled it up. And I was looking at the chart and I thought to myself, holy fuck, I improved so much. And life is so great. And it was so great decision. And when I filled it up, I made another one. And I thought about the time before getting on the island, and it was. Yeah, it was awful.

Therapy Gecko (26:47)

Hmm. So you. You filled out this chart. So you noticed a lot of significant, positive, like, changes in your brain and life since moving to the islands.

Caveman (27:03)

Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (27:07)

It sounds like you've got a good. It's funny because I guess when I first. Yeah. Was reading your text about living in a cave, I thought you were living kind of an isolated. But you actually seem like you have a good sense of community out there.

Caveman (27:21)

Yeah, I have pretty much. Yeah. There's a lot of friends that I've made here and also a lot of friends that I met on, like, because, I mean, like, I think social bubble of alternative people, of hippie people. So I met a lot. A lot of them in the past years on like, festivals and I. Yeah. So I didn't even know that a lot of my friends gonna be here. And I remember the first day that I arrived here. My friend that lives in the island now, I think for the five months picked me out and we were going to. To the place. To the area where the caves are. And I've met like six people that I already know and I Didn't know they are gonna be on the island. So. Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (28:22)

Wait a minute. So there are people that you already knew and you didn't, and then you didn't know they were gonna be on the island when you got there?

Caveman (28:30)

Yeah, the people they met on the festivals, I mean, not really my big friends that. Yeah, the people that I know and I like.

Therapy Gecko (28:40)

Interesting. What kind of festivals are these? Just like music festivals?

Caveman (28:47)

Kinda. Kinda, yeah. Music or just. I'm going to a lot like small festivals, maybe to up to 200, 400 people. And mostly they are like in the nature and you can find a lot of people, Hippie people doing acid and shit. Yeah. And laying and rolling on the grass.

Therapy Gecko (29:22)

That's interesting. How old are most of the people on this island? Because you're pretty young. Is everyone else also around your age or is it kind of all over the place?

Caveman (29:34)

I'm the youngest one of the people that I've met. I mean, the people that lives on this island like in the hippie way, on their caves or some like squats or anything. Is it squat? Is it the proper way to say it?

Therapy Gecko (29:58)

Sure, yeah.

Caveman (30:00)

People squatting? Some. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of types of people coming here, like hippie people. Basically all the people that are coming here are kinda out of normal social norms. So you can find like happy hippie people and also more like actual homeless people. Some of them are like drug addicts or something like that. So also the age, age range differs a lot, but most of them, most of them are like in the late 20s and 30s, I would say maybe 20s, 20s, mid to late 20s.

Therapy Gecko (30:58)

Do you see yourself staying on this island, you know, pretty indefinitely?

Caveman (31:06)

No, no, no. I mean, I love it and I needed that. I'm sorry for my tongue. Yeah, I needed that. I needed that for a while. But I am kind of stoked and excited about returning to Poland and I think I'm gonna go back in like months or two and then I'm gonna travel around Europe and visit some people in different countries that I met here. And I'm gonna go to Croatia, I'm gonna go to Hungary and I'm gonna go to Norway and I think I'm gonna just visit places in the. In between and. Yeah, that's gonna be cool. And also. Yeah, and I'm gonna return the festivals to the festival season in Poland. There's a lot of like cool small festivals in nature and they are so beautiful and I love folk music. Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (32:19)

That sounds awesome. That sounds really cool. Do you do any Kind of art or music or anything like that. Do you make anything?

Caveman (32:31)

I bought myself some watercolors, watercolor paints, and I bought myself some pencils because I want to explore that. I want to create. I have, like, very strong desire to create anything, basically, so I have a lot of time to explore that. And I started to draw. It's nothing really crazy, but it's. The whole process is very enjoyable. And I didn't. I had time, like, when I was living in Poland, but I didn't have, like, strength to do anything new and to grow, like, as a human being. And. Yeah, this is pretty cool vacation.

Therapy Gecko (33:27)

Well, let me see here, Caveman. Let me. Why don't we do this? We've got the live twitch chat here. Let's see. I'm sure the people in the twitch chat probably have a few questions. If anyone in the twitch chat wants to. I'll read them out to you. If anyone in the twitch chat has any. Any questions for you. Let's see here. They're talking about how the new Call of Duty is bad. What the fuck? All right. Okay. Someone said, does the cave stay the same temperature year round, or is there. Are there different seasons.

Caveman (34:06)

In this part of Ireland? It's pretty much hot all the. All time around.

Therapy Gecko (34:16)

Someone said, do you smash a lot of cave chicks?

Caveman (34:25)

No, no and no. I know this is not my thing.

Therapy Gecko (34:33)

Do you. Do you ever cook anything or are you just straight eating leftovers?

Caveman (34:39)

Yeah, yesterday I made gnocchi, and I shared them with friends, and it was pretty. Pretty delicious. And, yeah, I love to cook, and I want to explore, like, cooking more in my life. Yeah. When I'm gonna, like, return to Poland, I think in September, I'm gonna get my own place. I wanna, like, buy a lot of new kitchen stuff, and I wanna cook. Like, I always loved cooking, and cooking for people was, like, my big passion. So, yeah, I want to cook more. Explore that.

Therapy Gecko (35:26)

Someone said. Could you describe the cave, please? I know you've already kind of done that a little bit, but if you just want to look around the cave and really give us a solid description of what exactly we should be imagining.

Caveman (35:42)

Huh. So it's kind of like a sandstone kind of volcanic rock. I mean, there's a lot of variations. Hmm. I've built, like, little roof with plastic pipes and some sort of, like, material that I found. I have, like, small table. I have pretty cool mattress. A lot of pillows. I love pillows. And it's so comfy here and very pretty blankets and. Yeah, I don't know if that's a good description.

Therapy Gecko (36:26)

No, no, no. Someone said, let's see. Oh, someone said, where is his brother? Did you mention having a brother?

Caveman (36:33)

Yeah, yeah, I have a little brother that I was raising. Yeah, kinda. So he's still living with my grandma. He's 16 right now and he. Yeah, he's depressed as fuck. I like, I see myself in him so much and I am. Yeah, I'm thinking a lot about him and I'm feeling kind of guilty about not being there with him and not helping him because I see a lot of things that he struggles with that I struggle my whole life. Like being not very social, being like, especially in my like younger years, younger years being like black sheep in any social situation and he doesn't have like any purpose or passion. So. Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (37:42)

Hmm. Do you still. Do you keep in touch with him very often? Like with text or call or anything like that?

Caveman (37:54)

We had like a two month break and yeah, we called each other and we were talking for an hour and yeah, I told him that I felt very guilty about not reaching out and that our relationship is not, not really there and that I see the things that he struggles with and I'm sad that I cannot like be there and help. Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (38:34)

Would you ever have him come visit the kid? Come visit the cave islands?

Caveman (38:39)

I would love to. I would love to. But yeah, he's in school, so. And I'm gonna get to Europe before the summer starts, so. But maybe next year maybe we're gonna go to a little vacation together. That would be great.

Therapy Gecko (39:04)

Let's see here. Okay, we have. Someone wants to know, do you have a bed? I was wondering that too.

Caveman (39:13)

Bed.

Therapy Gecko (39:15)

Yeah, do you have a bed?

Caveman (39:17)

I mean, I have a mattress. This is a bed.

Therapy Gecko (39:20)

Yeah.

Caveman (39:21)

I don't have like a bed frame, but yeah, this is pretty much bed.

Therapy Gecko (39:27)

Are there bats in the cave?

Caveman (39:31)

Bats? No, there are no bats here that I know of.

Therapy Gecko (39:37)

What is your pooping situation looking like in this cave?

Caveman (39:42)

Pretty chill. I have a. So I live like canyon. Canyon is the right word. Yeah, canyon we call. It's called barranco here. So I live pretty high up and I just go down a little and I dig like a long hole. So if I need to go, I just do my stuff covered with the sand and I'm good.

Therapy Gecko (40:10)

Someone wants to know what is the best thing you have found in the trash so far in your dumpster diving days?

Caveman (40:19)

Ooh, yesterday I found a new power bank that I'm actually now charging my phone with. It has like solar panel built in and it has 25 million. I don't know. It stores a lot of energy. It's cool. And I found two pairs of boots, so that's cool. And yeah, a lot of cool stuff. I'm so stressed out about talking and that. I am. I cannot really think of.

Therapy Gecko (41:03)

We've been. We've been. We've been cooking for 40 minutes. You're doing great, brother. Thank you for offering. Offering the people your time. You have a very interesting story.

Caveman (41:14)

Thank you. Thank you.

Therapy Gecko (41:16)

I have a few more questions for you if you're still down to cook. We've got some interesting questions here.

Caveman (41:21)

Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (41:22)

Someone said, has a stranger ever just walked in the cave?

Caveman (41:29)

The people that live in the area pretty much go by the social law. I don't know if it's a social law. I don't know how to call it, but no one ever like goes to any one place without. Without permission. And yeah, we are. Yeah, we're good. We're good. There's no problem with. No problems with that.

Therapy Gecko (42:08)

Let's see here. Oh, yeah. Do you have like water or gas in the cave?

Caveman (42:16)

I don't have water. I have Tab that I go to and it's like 10 minutes from here and also like 15 minutes from my place. There's a Lidl, so if I need to buy drinking water, I can just buy like 16 liters, get them to my backpack and walk here. And I don't have a gas. I have a fireplace and I have some pots that I found. So if I need to cook something, I just.

Therapy Gecko (42:47)

All right, we got one. Alright, I'll do one last question here. Oh yeah. I don't know if you know this, but like, does the Spanish government care that people are living in caves? Someone asked that. Yeah, I'm curious about that too. Does like, does the government or like the police or like, does anyone hassle you guys or do they not really give a fuck?

Caveman (43:11)

Depends if you are living like in the places that tourists goes to, like on the beach, they throw people, they throw people out, but they are not like arresting anybody or harass anybody. And in the place that I live, living, there were no like, situations. And the police are pretty chill with the hippies.

Therapy Gecko (43:39)

What is this place called again?

Caveman (43:44)

I mean, I am on Canary Islands and on every, every island there you can find like some hippie community and people living in, in the nature or in the caves or anywhere else. But the biggest, biggest community is on Tenerife Island.

Therapy Gecko (44:04)

Tenerife. Oh, Tenerife Island. Oh, okay.

Caveman (44:07)

Tenerife.

Therapy Gecko (44:08)

Wow. Interesting. The Canary Islands. Autonomous community of Spain. Whoa. This place looks crazy.

Caveman (44:16)

Autonomous and also they have, like, two capitals on separate islands, and they, like. I think they change, like, the capital every few years is weird.

Therapy Gecko (44:37)

Interesting. So Tenerife is. So you live on a cave in Tenerife?

Caveman (44:44)

Pretty much.

Therapy Gecko (44:46)

Wow. And I'm looking at Google images of this shit. This is crazy. And it's pretty much. You know what's funny is with. I feel like there's got to be. At least. I truly do predict at least one person listening to this podcast will fucking go visit Tenerife.

Caveman (45:07)

Hell yeah.

Therapy Gecko (45:08)

Because.

Caveman (45:08)

Hell yeah.

Therapy Gecko (45:09)

You know, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Caveman (45:12)

I met a guy from the US Just like, maybe a week ago, and he was, like, dressed in all red in the devil costume, and he was talking some shit about Satanism, and he was pretty fucking cool, and he had, like, this, what is called the fork, their big red fork with him, and he was just walking around. So. Yeah. And I also knew the guy from New York that lives pretty close to me. So. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. You can leave a very low budget here. You can just hang around. Hang around. Yes.

Therapy Gecko (46:01)

Yeah. You've. You. At least one person will hear this podcast and be like, fuck it, I'm moving to Tenerife. It's funny because you opened this phone. We. If you'll remember, you opened this phone call by being like, hey, does anyone want to come live in a cave with me? Which. Up front. Up front, with zero context is a bit of a rough pitch, but I'll say over the past 45 minutes, you have successfully pitched the concept of going to live within a cave with you, and I feel like at least a few people listening will. Will take you up on the software. Yeah, there's a lot of places like this where it's like, the. The cost of getting there is the highest cost. And then once you're there, you're just chilling because. Yeah, I don't know if you're, like, fucking. If you're young, if you're. I don't know, man. If you're young and broke and you want to fucking do something interesting with your life before you dive into corporate whatever, you know, why not. Why not go live in a cave for a bit and hang out and meet weird people and, you know, live a little.

Caveman (47:18)

Yeah. There's also a lot of people are just, like, leaving the cave and, like, searching for a job here and actually working and saving money, and the rest of the day they are just spending on the beach and in a cave and eat from the trash or in, like, have their own community and cook food together. Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (47:42)

So, I mean, yeah, folks are working there, you know, there are people there who are, like, working, saving money, still kind of building, still doing things to kind of prepare for their future, but also, you know, eating from the trash and hanging out with folks.

Caveman (47:58)

Pretty much.

Therapy Gecko (47:59)

Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Caveman. Polish caveman.

Caveman (48:06)

Polish caveman.

Therapy Gecko (48:09)

Know you said you were stressed out, but this was a great phone call. I really appreciate you giving us all of your time, my friend. This was. This was awesome. Yeah. Like, I said, this. This might inspire a lot of folks. So I appreciate you putting yourself out there. And you're so fucking young too, man. You got a. You have an interesting life ahead of you.

Caveman (48:35)

Yeah, it's a pretty cool. It's a pretty cool start. I am very glad that I met a lot of, like, beautiful people that helped me out on my, like, path. And I'm pretty stoked about living.

Therapy Gecko (48:53)

Caveman. Is there anything else that you want to say about any of this or that you want to talk about or any. Any final things before. Before we go?

Caveman (49:07)

I had a lot of topics in my mind to talk with you, but we, like, talk mostly about caves. And I get it. It's a. I'm living in cave. So this is like a final goodbye. Or can I, like, say something more?

Therapy Gecko (49:28)

Well, let's see. How long have we been talking? We've been talking. Well, you know, honestly, we've been talking for 47 minutes. Yeah, fuck it. If you. If you have something else, we can. We can keep going.

Caveman (49:43)

I mean, I wanna like. Because the living in a cave is one thing, and I wanna kind of tell you what I'm thinking about doing next.

Therapy Gecko (49:54)

Yeah, sure, let's do that. Why not? What do you think about doing next?

Caveman (49:58)

So first thing, when I gonna, like, return to from Tenerife, I think I'm gonna go to festivals. And I was pretty inspired by the guy who. I don't know his, like, Instagram profile, what he's called, but he has something that is called the Last Supper Project. And I was very inspired by that and I'm thinking about doing my own version of it. So basically, he suffers from a very strong bipolar disorder and he's gonna take his own life in from legal and a lot of people like, invite. Invite him from dinner for dinner. And he talks about, like, mental health and he loves food and he, like, spread. Spreads awareness about depression and this whole process. And he also, like, host dinners for people.

Therapy Gecko (51:18)

I'VE actually heard of this guy. Yeah, I've heard of this guy.

Caveman (51:22)

Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (51:22)

Yeah.

Caveman (51:23)

And yeah, he like I started to think a lot about like concept of death and taking your life if you like suffers. If you are suffering for like some like strong shit, you cannot live with it. And having like sharing a meal with someone and cooking for someone, it's a beautiful thing. And I'm thinking about if I'm gonna have my own place and I want to explore cooking and I think I'm gonna like maybe do some posts on Facebook that I'm searching for people that are lonely or struggle with depression and cook them food and create like a safe space for them. And that's a wonderful idea. Yeah, yeah, I really want to do that.

Therapy Gecko (52:23)

That's a wonderful idea. I love the idea. I really think you should do that. Because, you know, I was thinking, I'm like, yeah, it's no fucking secret. I talk on this podcast a lot about, you know, being fucking depressed or whatever. And it's like, ah, there's so many other. There's so there. I can think of like a thousand different things to try before killing yourself. You know, I mean there's so many different, like there's so many different Hail Marys to throw before killing yourself. And that's all it take because you'll be in your. Because like I'll, you know, whatever. You'll be in your room and you're like in your underwear or you're like depressed. You're on your phone and you're like, yeah, I think I should fucking kill myself. And then, I don't know, all of a sudden you put on clothes and you're in a room with lights and you're around other people or whatever and something switches in your brain and you're like, oh shit. I actually something we. I was limited by my own brain in that moment. You know, I could literally. I was fogged out, I couldn't see. So of course I. That's. I thought that was the only option, you know. So it's like I think having something have it cuz you could that right? Cuz that's awesome. Because like somebody could be in the fucking throes of darkness and then all of a sudden they, you know, go to your dinner and there's other people around and they're like, oh shit, okay, this doesn't have to be this way all the time. You know, that's all it takes. Every now I'm not going to say that's all it takes because I don't think that's literally all it takes, but. No, no, no. I don't think that's all it takes at all. But you know what I mean? I'm rambling a little bit, but I'm just kind of talking from my own experience.

Caveman (54:12)

I mean, I love, like, hearing you talk about shit, so I'm good.

Therapy Gecko (54:21)

Yeah. But I think. I think that's a fucking great idea, man. That's a great purpose to have.

Caveman (54:27)

Mm. All right. So that was the one thing that I want to talk to, and I think I'm pretty much finished. I just want to help people and make the world a little better place.

Therapy Gecko (54:45)

My brother, my caveman. This was a great phone call. I really appreciate you sharing all this stuff with us. I love that you're taking a problem that you have had and trying to find a way to help other people with the problem. I think that's pretty sweet. Yeah, you've definitely inspired some folks listening to this, I'm sure. And, yeah, maybe I'll go visit the Canary Islands. I'm curious now. I want to go see some shit.

Caveman (55:18)

Do you wanna. Do you wanna visit me? I'm gonna show you the islands and we do, like, a bit or. Sorry.

Therapy Gecko (55:26)

Well, you know, it's fun. I feel like I have. You know what is funny is I have this whole. I actually have a. I have a list. Last year, I made a little list on my phone. I, like, screenshotted a bunch of DMs that I got from people being like, hey, come to Pakistan, or, hey, come to Singapore or, hey, come to whatever and I'll show you around. Because I've done that a couple times. I did that in Thailand and Guatemala and Mexico. And, you know, we had that break dancer guy who was like, hey, come to Tijuana. And, you know, I'm chilling right now, but I don't know, maybe one day I'll.

Caveman (56:07)

Man, imagine that we can host your show in the cave. Like, so.

Therapy Gecko (56:15)

That does sound pretty sweet. That does sound pretty sweet. Where can people look, man? Do you have a work. Can people follow you on sub? There's a couple people in the Twitch chat who wanted to follow. Like, if people want to let. Well, let's say this, right? Let's say this. Let's say people want to follow you on your cave adventures. Let's say some random motherfucker listening to this podcast wants to take you up on your dinner for depressed people or living in the cave if people want to connect with you. You don't, by the way. You don't have. If you want to stay completely anonymous, I respect that. You totally can. But if. If. If.

Caveman (56:54)

If you want to take the message on the. On the chat, if we gonna end this call and people can type me a message if they wanted to.

Therapy Gecko (57:04)

Okay, so you don't want to. You don't want to put yourself out there to the podcast?

Caveman (57:09)

Mm. What?

Therapy Gecko (57:12)

Oh, well, if people. I. I'm saying if people. If people want to follow you or connect with you, if you want to give them an outlet to do that, you can, but if not, that's okay.

Caveman (57:21)

No, I don't have any. Like, I have my private account on Instagram, but I want to kind of stay private.

Therapy Gecko (57:28)

Yeah, I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. Caveman, thank you very much for sharing your story with us. Any. Anything else before we go?

Caveman (57:40)

I want to say to the people of the computer, if you are depressed and you are thinking about what is the purpose of living, just go and buy yourself ice cream. And, yeah, ice cream are pretty cool. They help me with a lot of shit.

Therapy Gecko (58:00)

Thank you very much for calling Caveman. Have a good rest of the day.

Caveman (58:04)

It's a while. Thank you.

Therapy Gecko (58:06)

Bye.

Caveman (58:06)

Bye, bye.

Therapy Gecko (58:08)

Yeah, ice cream is pretty sweet. That was great. That was great. Yeah, I'm inspired now. I want to go visit the fucking Tenerife Islands. I mean, why not. Why not visit the Tenerife Islands? Why not go live in a cave and talk to people? Why not do any of this stuff? I don't know. There's got. There's got. I don't know why I almost threw up just now. Yeah, that's cool. If I feel like, yeah, there's got to be at least somebody who's listening to this, who's like, you know what? Fuck it, I'm gonna go to the Tenerife Islands. Maybe that. Maybe that's. Maybe I'm projecting. Maybe that somebody is me. Maybe I gotta go live in the. Go live in a fucking cave in the Tenerife Islands. Could be fun. Uh, thank you for calling Caveman. And ya, ice cream is good. Uh, sometimes when I get depressed, I eat an orange creamsicle, and it makes things at least 5% better.

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Therapy Gecko (61:53)

Hey, what's your name, dog?

Caveman (61:56)

We'll go with Stinky I don't, I.

Therapy Gecko (61:59)

Don'T like the word. Can I, can I call you something else? I'm going to. I don't like that. I hate saying stinky for some reason. It's. It. It puts me off. Can I call you something else?

Caveman (62:08)

Sure, anything you want.

Therapy Gecko (62:10)

All right, I'll call you. Steve. What's up, Steve?

Caveman (62:14)

Sup, man?

Podcast Host (62:15)

We've.

Caveman (62:16)

We've only talked one time prior, but it was on a tick tock video, comments or whatever.

Therapy Gecko (62:22)

We talked on TikTok video. That doesn't really sound like we had a conversation.

Caveman (62:28)

Well, it's funny you brought up you don't like stinky because my, my username was like something. Something stinky. And I said, love the comp, the content. And you were like, thanks, Stinky. And then like a month I'm going to go.

Therapy Gecko (62:41)

I'm going to go ahead and say that does not count as a conversation. So this, this would be the first time we're talking.

Caveman (62:48)

They're totally fair, man. I'm pretty pumped. I've been listening to you for like, gosh, like four or five years now.

Therapy Gecko (62:54)

Dude, kick ass, man. Yeah, it's crazy. This summer it'll be five fucking years of the therapy. Gecko, dude.

Caveman (63:01)

You're looking good, by the way.

Therapy Gecko (63:03)

Thanks.

Caveman (63:03)

Say that I checked the screen. I don't usually watch live, but I did today because I have.

Therapy Gecko (63:07)

Thanks, brother. Thank you. I'm down 30 pounds since I finished my tour last year.

Caveman (63:16)

Sweet.

Therapy Gecko (63:17)

So I'm trying to be less fat. Being fat was not fun. I'm. I'm 18 pounds away from my goal weight. I'm trying to be as skinny as I was before I started being the Gecko. So we're almost there. But enough about me. Who cares? What's up with you, Steve? Would you want to talk about today?

Caveman (63:40)

Okay. I work in Atlanta and I know you mentioned Atlanta sometimes, but I work predominantly in the film industry and it's kind of a stressful industry to work in. Gonna lie?

Therapy Gecko (63:53)

Yeah, I worked on set in Atlanta for a summer and it was. Yeah, it's our. What are you, a pa?

Caveman (64:03)

So I, I kind of bounce between doing PA stuff, but I'm actually, I am in the union now, so I am like a props assist, but I also dabble in a set deck as well.

Therapy Gecko (64:13)

Okay. Yeah, you probably work like 80 hours a week.

Caveman (64:20)

When I do work. Yes, yes, exactly.

Therapy Gecko (64:23)

I mean, that's how it works down there, right? Is you work like, you'll work for like 80 hours a week for like a month and then Work like zero hours a week for like, you know, a few weeks and then. Right. It's like, it's very like super on and super off, isn't it?

Caveman (64:39)

Very correct, yeah. I mean it totally depends on whatever like production companies doing the gig. Some gigs are done like a month, two months, some are done in six months. I know Stranger Things is on for like over a year plus. So that would be a nice gig to be. But I've also heard that it gets a little crazy over there sometimes.

Therapy Gecko (65:00)

Yeah. Although I will say I kind of. That that method of working I actually think is pretty. I actually think that's a. I mean everyone's kind of different. Right. But like that's kind of like a nice balance. Right? Because I would rather have like a short period of time. I would rather have like a period of time where like all I'm doing is working and then a period of time where all I'm doing is not working versus like working a little bit every single day, you know? Cuz now because you can you, I feel like, I mean I, I don't know what do you like that lifestyle?

Caveman (65:35)

It's. And that's kind of like what I wanted to talk about cuz like a lot of people want to get into the film industry for like total, you know, understandable reasons. I think something that they don't really like acknowledge is that you don't work unless you have someone who can hire you to work. And then that only. Yeah, that only goes on for however long the actual gig is. But me personally, I don't mind working for like four or five months straight. Maybe a little month or two off and then go back to work. But I just hopped off a project like last week. I've had a week off now and I'm getting a little bored, man. Getting a little in my head. But I just gotta know that things will be on the way soon.

Therapy Gecko (66:17)

What are you in your head about?

Caveman (66:20)

Just because you know like when you work for a month or a month or two or however long your project is and then your gig's over, you're like, yeah, here's my last day, this is the last day I'm gonna be working. And then not knowing when something else is going to come in, you're like, might not be working for two weeks, might not be working for two months. And then with the strike that happened a year or so ago, like most people didn't work for like six months.

Therapy Gecko (66:47)

Which is, yeah, pretty tough. I mean that is the nature of the film industry, right?

Caveman (66:57)

Yep.

Therapy Gecko (66:58)

Is you have no idea when your next gig is gonna be? I guess that's the nature of like freelance work in general.

Caveman (67:07)

Yep, exactly.

Therapy Gecko (67:09)

Yeah. I mean, when you, when you are on set, do you like it or is it, is it crazy?

Caveman (67:16)

Oh, I love it. Being on set is super fun. I. I knew I wanted to be in the movies when I was like 6 or so. Maybe not like be in them, but, you know, have something to do with the creation of them. And so whenever I got my first gig as a pa, which was in props, I got super lucky with getting to have on set experience with that and. Oh my gosh, no, it's so fun getting to work with everyone and just seeing how these like huge budgeted shows and movies get made is really, it's amazing. And it's also like, holy fuck, we spend a lot of money. Like so much money, dude.

Therapy Gecko (67:56)

I. It's really insane how I feel like I have these kinds of inside baseball conversations about like movie shit on the podcast a bunch, but I do like having them. It's insane how much fucking money it costs to make TV shows and movies. And I always, for like, like fucking. I used to work on the set of who Cares about this? I used to work on the set of like an Adult Swim show that aired at like 4:00 in the morning that people. I don't think it had a lot of viewers. And I was talking to somebody like, who worked in like the production office and they mentioned that a season of this show cost $4 million to make. And I'm like. And you know the crazy thing, and you know this $4 million in film and television universe is not that much money.

Caveman (69:05)

It is not a lot.

Therapy Gecko (69:06)

No, it is not a lot of money. Which is crazy because in real life, $4 million is a fucking shit ton of money. No.

Caveman (69:14)

Yeah, it's life changing money.

Therapy Gecko (69:15)

It's a life changing system. Insane amount of fucking money. You can do so many things with $4 million. And then for some, somehow they spend $4 million to make a TV show that nobody watches. How the fuck is that a good financial investment? And yet to Hollywood is doing it. You know, I mean, for 4 million. How many. Like if you, if you're trying to make money, there's infinite better things you could do with $4 million than make a season of a TV show that nobody's fucking watching.

Caveman (69:53)

I mean, yeah, there's that. And then you have a actually worked on Blade the like, second time it was getting made. And the amount of money that they Put into that. That hasn't even been released yet. Oh, man, I couldn't even. I don't even want to think about it.

Therapy Gecko (70:10)

It's crazy shit. It's crazy shit. Well, let's see here. What's your name? Oh, Steve.

Caveman (70:21)

Steve.

Therapy Gecko (70:23)

Steve. Well, what have you been doing in your off time?

Caveman (70:27)

In my off time, I'm gonna sound like a nerd, but I 3D print armor, like Mandalorian armor, like, just on the side. So I've just been redesigning that, printing that out because with working in props, it also does kind of help just to have a little bit of a, you know, background knowledge on how to put this shit together in case something happens on set.

Therapy Gecko (70:51)

Yeah.

Caveman (70:52)

Just being good with your hands.

Therapy Gecko (70:53)

Yeah. Yeah. You 3D print armor?

Caveman (70:59)

Yeah.

Therapy Gecko (71:00)

Is it? I feel like. Well, I mean, the material. The 3D printing material is kind of crappy, isn't it?

Caveman (71:08)

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to get shot with this, but, you know, whenever I get a little high, go to a convention, I feel pretty cool.

Therapy Gecko (71:17)

But it.

Caveman (71:18)

Plastic.

Therapy Gecko (71:19)

Okay. So it's all plastic. Like, you're not. This isn't like you're not. You're not taking this into battle with you.

Caveman (71:26)

No, but there are. There are people out there that do make their armor with iron and they're like, hand hammer it. And I. Yeah, that's impressive. I'm not there yet, but we'll see. You never know.

Therapy Gecko (71:40)

Interesting. Well, what's your. What's your dream, Steve? What do you want to do with your life before you die?

Caveman (71:48)

Before I die? Well, pretty. I guess I'm somewhat content with the job I have now, but I don't know, I guess, like everyone, it would be nice just to be able to enjoy life and go out and travel more. Because I guess, like, a lot of people that have been calling in and yourself included, have the travel bug. I love going around the world, seeing all the places I can. That dude who is talking about the Canary Islands was making me think of the British Virgin Islands again.

Therapy Gecko (72:20)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The travel bugs. Interesting. I think if you. If it's something you've never done before, it's absolutely worth traveling as much as you can. And then I think after a while, you know that fucking song where you're. It's. What has it go. It goes like, I've only one place left I want to go. He says, you can't. You know, whatever. I don't know why I'm singing that song. But yeah, the travel bug is. Yeah. If you Never travel for. You should definitely do it. I think at a certain point, you realize life was always about. I don't know, I guess the connections you make. I don't know. I don't know why I'm trying to be deep right now. I'm. Let's talk about something else.

Caveman (73:09)

Now. You're good. You're carrying the conversation. I mean, I didn't have, like, too. Too much to talk about because, I mean, I don't know, I. I've just always been a big fan, and it's been insane watching your story, especially with, you know, with Vice, when that kicked off, like, a few. Or go. But no, you're totally carrying the conversation. And also, the quesarito needs to be returned to Taco Bell.

Therapy Gecko (73:32)

The quesarito absolutely needs to be returned to Taco Bell. What else do they have? They have recently. The French. The Taco Bell French fries are pretty good. I don't know why I'm bringing that.

Caveman (73:47)

No, no, they are. They're underrated for a fry.

Therapy Gecko (73:51)

The packing peanut cinnamon things I've been shitting on for a while, but they're also pretty good. They need to bring back the strawberry pink starburst freeze. That one's a classic.

Caveman (74:05)

Yeah. No, I agree.

Therapy Gecko (74:11)

Well, let's see. Steve, what's. You. You want to tell me a deep, dark secret before we go?

Caveman (74:19)

Oh, God.

Caveman (74:21)

Okay. You're gonna get pissed off for me saying this, but I do agree with it. Every time you might. I. I do agree with it when people say that your face should be red. That is my. And I'm sorry.

Therapy Gecko (74:35)

All right, Steve. Well, I'll. I'll talk to you later.

Caveman (74:41)

See you, Lyle. Love you.

Therapy Gecko (74:43)

Bye, Steve. Good luck. Good, good, good luck. Don't. Never die. Never die. Steve, I hung up on him. Well, no, I didn't really hang up on him. The conversation was. Was simply just over, and then I hit the button.

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Therapy Gecko (78:07)

All right, one more that. I'm out. Hello.

Charlie (78:09)

Hello.

Therapy Gecko (78:10)

Hi. What's your name?

Charlie (78:11)

Hi, I'm Charlie.

Therapy Gecko (78:13)

Charlie. What's going on, Charlie? How is life.

Charlie (78:17)

Lyle, I think you already know. I think you get the vibe. You know what I mean?

Therapy Gecko (78:23)

I. I don't. I should. I assume that's a bad. That's bad.

Charlie (78:31)

I guess so. Sorry. I'm also very nervous. I wasn't. I mean, everyone says that, but I wasn't expecting to get through. But it's great to talk to you. Yeah. I mean, things are okay. I'm 27 as well, so that's kind of where I'm at with life. I know that you're sort of in the same spot.

Therapy Gecko (78:55)

I am 27. I am a 27 year old boy. 27 is an interesting age. I feel like it's the age that you stop. You know what? I was gonna say it's the age you stop being able to consider yourself young. But I. The more I think. You know what? Oh, here's a crazy thing. I saw this on Twitter and I agree with it. 27 feels old, 31 feels young.

Charlie (79:21)

Ooh, ooh, wait a minute.

Therapy Gecko (79:24)

Isn't that a crazy one? Isn't that a crazy one?

Charlie (79:27)

It kind of is. And I kind of. I have some thoughts on that because I kind of think, you know, when we think of up to the age of 30, I think we're kind of thinking about our childhood as well. Right? Like, it's just this whole chunk of time of development where every single year it's something new. Right? Like you're getting taller, new friends, you're learning algebra or whatever. And so by the time you're, like in your 20s, you've lived like a million lives, going through school and growing up and meeting people and like, I don't know, becoming a furry or whatever. And then you're in your 20s, like, okay, well, I'm an adult now. But I guess by the time you're 27, I don't know. In my mind, that's almost like being 99, right? Like you're at the end of this chunk of your life. Like, 27 is just a really old child. But 31, that's a baby adult man.

Therapy Gecko (80:29)

Yeah, I like that. 27, that's. That kind of puts into words why 31 feels younger than 27. Because 27, that's an old child. 31, that's a baby adult. So it's. Yeah, it's interesting. You feel like you're at the end of a certain kind of life chapter, which is why it feels old. But 31, it's like you're at the beginning of 30s. Yeah. It's so. It's interesting how we kind of contextualize time in that way.

Charlie (81:04)

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I've been thinking a lot recently about how humans aren't even really meant to live this long, and I kind of think that has a big thing to do with it, like, you know, because I just turned 27 in the middle of March, and I keep thinking, like, damn, I'm so old, my brain is fully developed. And I don't know, it's just. It's weird because then I think, okay, like, a few billion or whatever. I don't really know how old humanity is, but, you know, when we were still, like, running around in the jungles or whatever, what, we were living till, like, 15, I guess. It kind of feels weird.

Therapy Gecko (81:44)

Were we only living to 15?

Charlie (81:46)

I don't know.

Podcast Host (81:47)

Probably.

Charlie (81:47)

I mean, at some point in history, we were definitely only living to 15, right?

Therapy Gecko (81:55)

Yeah, probably. Or we were at least only living until, like. I don't know. This is actually. This is a good history question. I'm with you, though. I do sometimes I feel like. Like a Mr. Meeseeks. Yeah, that's. That's a thought. I've been. It's a bit of a depressing thought, but that's a thought I've been having lately, is. I've been feeling like a Mr. Meeseeks. I'm like, I was not. I don't know if I was meant to. God, this is depressing. I don't like this line of thought. I don't think it's good.

Charlie (82:24)

Well, no, it's not depressing. It's just reality. I think we have to.

Therapy Gecko (82:28)

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't. I don't think it is reality, because I. I think I was just talking about this on the podcast recently. I encounter a lot of people in their 60s and 50s and whatever who are, like, happy and enjoying life and doing things, you know? So I think to be 27 and go, oh, I'm dead. I wasn't supposed to. I'm done. I think that's. I don't think that is reality. I think that's. That's a person. That's a bad perspective to have. So I don't think it's. I. To say it's reality is to say my bad perspective is the truth, which is, you know, who the fuck does that help. Right. So I don't. I don't agree that it's reality. It's how I feel. But I have. But I'm optim. I try to be optimistic. I try to not. I don't want to feel that way. I am going to work actively to change my perspective so that I don't feel dead. So that I don't feel. Cuz. Look, dude, you're as old or as young as you say that you are. Right? I mean, there's nothing. Yeah. If you want to walk around feeling like you're Mr. Meeseeks and that you. You're. You peaked and whatever, then, yeah, that becomes your reality. Real. There are certain things are objectively reality is objective reality that we have both been alive for 27 years. But, you know, a lot, A lot of the shit around that is simply perspective. So I don't think that. Yeah, so when you say it's reality that we are washed up, I think that's. That's a fallacy because that's. These, these, These things that we're claiming about ourselves are just a matter of our own perspective, which I think we can change. This is me being optimistic and I have no choice but to be optimistic. Because if I'm not gonna be optimistic, then I might as well just be Mr. Meeseeks and I might as well, you know, fucking whatever. But. So I'm. I'm choosing. Maybe I'm choosing to be optimistic, as in every situation that I have the energy to be optimistic. So. Yeah.

Charlie (85:21)

Yes. And optimism. I feel as depressed as everyone may get at, you know, whatever time of their life. There's always going to have to be a degree of optimism, whether we're aware of it or not. Optimism or like the hope for change or the concept that there's something different out there. Right. Whether we believe in it or not. You know, we wake up every day and feed ourselves and give ourselves water, whether we're happy about it or not and happy about our lives or not. You know, even just going through the motions, I think is sort of. It holds that degree of secret optimism, whether we're aware of it and embracing it or not.

Therapy Gecko (86:08)

Yeah. Yeah, I guess. I guess that's. Yeah, I think that's true. I think that's true. I don't think we're washed up. I think we're. I don't know. It's whatever you decide. It's whatever you fucking decide. And I don't know. I just don't. I wanna. My, my, My goal for this Year is to join the fucking living. You know, that's. That's. That's become my. That's become my catchphrase or my modus operandi, however the fuck you phrase that. Yeah, I want to join the living. I. I'm tired of being fucking feeling insane all the time. You know, people do it. People. People figure out ways to join the living. And I'm. I'm. I'm doing it. I'm joining the living. I hope you join the living, too. It looks like they're having a good time.

Charlie (87:06)

Yeah. Like, I mean, again, I think it's just sort of being like, in the middle to end of your 20s where you're like, okay, you know, this part of my life is over. What do I want to bring with me into the next part of my life? And, like, what do I want the next part of my life to look like? Like, I don't know, it's weird. And I don't think anyone ever really talks about it, but I feel like this is sort of, you know, the chunk of age where we have to decide, like, okay, like, are we going to just, like, lay down and die, or are we going to look at our lives and see which part of our lives we want to die and, you know, what we want to feed into and become? And I think when it comes to, like, the concept of joining the living, it is really funny you say that because I'm kind of in the same position where a lot of my life, I just did what I was supposed to, go to school, you know, whatever, and I never really got to live my life. I was just really focused on, like, doing what I was supposed to do. And so now I'm here and I'm sort of at that crossroads of, like, okay, you know, do I want to pursue relationships, do I want to get a higher education, do I want to move to Norway? You know, it's just. It's a tricky chunk of time to be alive in because we have so many options and we haven't really ever made this many choices or had this much autonomy for our lives because, again, we're old children. Right?

Therapy Gecko (88:50)

Yeah. Well, also, though, I also think that's kind of a function of the modern world, is like, we also, like, I was thinking about, I'm like, addicted to Instagram. I'm trying to be less addicted to Instagram. And it's like, dude, you. A lot of people, you know, they get addicted. They. I don't know why I'm saying they. As if I'm not projecting but, like, I'll wake up and I'll look at Instagram stories, and it's like, what the fuck? I'm waking up and immediately looking at everybody else's life, and I'm looking on the Internet and I'm being exposed to the breadth of here. It's like. It's like, basically, it's like, here is all the lives that you could possibly be living as told by everyone that you've ever met or connected with. And that's too much. That's too much. Not a thing that has ever been part of our human experience for as long as humans have been alive. And it makes you compare yourself to other people. It just. It just takes you. It rips you out of your fucking life in a way that I don't think humans have ever experienced. So we. We definitely, I think, in the modern world have to deal with a lot of those challenges. But also, you know, we also have a lot of opportunities because of the modern world. You know, I dress up like a fucking gecko and talk to strangers about shit. Because of the modern world. Uh, we have the opportunity to move to Norway and join a. Whatever the fuck thing because we found out about it on Instagram or the Internet. So I don't know. It's. It's. I guess it's. It all. It all. That all fucking comes down to how you want to look at it, I suppose.

Charlie (90:51)

Yeah, absolutely. And, I mean, there's something you just said which was, you know, you wake up and immediately. And I do the same thing. Immediately. Just go on Instagram and look at other people's lives. But, like. And. And obviously I'm guilty of the same thing, but damn, it's. You know, you wake up and immediately sort of clock out. It's like, did you even wake up at all? Like, you may as well at that point still be dreaming, right?

Therapy Gecko (91:20)

Yeah. Yeah. God, I got to get. I got to get off to fucking. I hate the Internet so much. I hate it. I fucking hate it. I hate it so much. I notice my. I am a. I am a little fucking rat boy. I. I'll. I'll, like, notice my body going on the computer, opening the computer, typing in R, and then hitting enter to go on Reddit. And it's like, I'm. What am I? Like a mouse pulling a lever. And it's. It's not. It's. It's every day, multiple times a day. And I'm like, what the fuck? I gotta. I gotta. I gotta stop. I gotta deprogram myself. It's like, sometimes I'm like, I don't know, the ant. The problems are like, right in fucking in front of me. I gotta. I gotta. I gotta deprogram myself from the craziness of the modern world. And then you go into Reddit and then everything on Reddit is like, here's what Trump is doing. And then some guy comments being like, you know, trump, get owned. And you're like, what are we, what are we, what are we doing here? We gotta go. We gotta. Why don't we, you know, plant a fucking. Learn to play guitar. I don't know. Something. We gotta do something. We can't just be looking at the fucking. I can't just be looking at what Elon Musk is doing all day. It's for. It's just ridiculous. It's fucking insane. Who cares? I mean. Yeah. I mean, no. Who cares? Yeah. You know, it's not normal. It's not normal at all.

Charlie (92:52)

Like, this is not what we were made for.

Therapy Gecko (92:54)

No, not at all.

Charlie (92:56)

And like, it is so tough because we as humans, like, we're evolved. We created this, right? We put ourselves in this machine of dopamine and money and made up concepts and we stress ourselves out over it. At the end of the day, like, we're monkeys. We're monkeys. That's it. And, you know, there's half of us that is human and intellectual and reasonable and, you know, whatever. And then there's the monkey ass that's just, ooh, Reddit. Ooh, ooh. Swiping on Instagram is so fun, but it's not fulfilling as a whole, right? Like it's, you know. You know, like the little monkey part of your brain can just run around and play all day, but then the human part is like, okay, well, I need, I don't know, emotional stability and whatever. Xyz.

Therapy Gecko (93:59)

You know what we should do, Charlie? We should go live in a cave.

Charlie (94:04)

I've been thinking about it a lot. Lyle, not joking.

Therapy Gecko (94:08)

That guy at the beginning, I think he had it right. He had it fucking right about living in a cave. He's got a. He's got a private Instagram account. He probably has three followers. He has caves, friends, eats cheese. He's doing. He's doing it pretty good. He's doing it pretty good. He's doing it pretty good. Or, I mean, I don't know, maybe you don't. Here's the thing, you don't have to go live in a cave on the Canary Islands, but maybe, maybe there's a metaphorical version of Living on a cave in the Canary Islands that you can just do from home, whatever that looks like.

Charlie (94:41)

You know, I really kind of think the. Because it's not a new idea, right? I feel like everybody, forever has always been like, oh, I want to run away to a cave or the coast or, like a tree house and have no responsibilities. But I mean, that's exactly. That's exactly it. Like, that's just us being human and wanting to return to what we're actually made for, which is just existing and having a fun little time. I think probably.

Therapy Gecko (95:13)

Charlie, is there. Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?

Charlie (95:22)

You know, I think the biggest thing that I want to say is just what I've already said, which is just. It's important to remember that we're animals. You know, Be nice to yourself, whoever you are, whatever you are. Like, at the end of the day, we're just big, stupid monkeys. And, like, we're really just trying our best. Be a good owner for the pet that you are to yourself.

Therapy Gecko (95:46)

Oh, I like that. I like that. Thank you. Thank you, Charlie. Good luck. Have a good rest of your life.

Charlie (95:53)

Thank you, Lyle. I'll miss you.

Therapy Gecko (95:55)

Bye, Charlie.

Charlie (95:57)

Bye, Lyle.

Therapy Gecko (95:59)

God damn it. I fucking. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna never look at Reddit or Twitter ever again. Mark my words. Mark my fucking words, people. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna never look at Reddit or Twitter ever again in my entire life. God damn it. Shit. It's like heroin. I don't know why. You know what sucks is that, like, a lot of my addictions, like, I at least like, you know, whatever candy or getting high or watching porn or jerking, like, all that shit. Like, at least I like it. But like, Reddit and Twitter, it's like I'm addicted to it and I don't like it. What the fuck is that? Those. Those are the things that have to go. All right, whatever. I'm gonna try my best. All right. Thank you for listening to the Therapy Echo podcast. Thank you forever and always for listening to the Therapy Gecko podcast. Good luck. I don't. I don't know if I have anything else to say. I'm not. I think I'm not good at the. This was. I think this was a great episode. I liked talking to the cave guy. I like talking to the film guy. Like, talking to Charlie. I think the middle of the. I don't know, the ending of this podcast doesn't have to be good. Alright, I don't think I. I don't think I need to say anything of substance in this very moment because I think I, over the period of time that this podcast, this episode out, this hour, and however many minute long episode was, I think things of substance were said in the middle. So I don't think that the end necessarily needs any substance to it. So I'm just gonna leave it like this. Okay, thank you very much. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go do nothing.

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