"I OWN OSAMA BIN LADEN’S CAR”

Summary

Therapy Gecko – “I OWN OSAMA BIN LADEN’S CAR” (Feb 22, 2026)

Host: Gecko (Lyle)
Guest: Miles (aka Lord Miles)

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Episode Overview

This highly unusual Therapy Gecko episode centers around a candid, wide-ranging conversation between Lyle and Miles, a British man whose exploits include buying Osama bin Laden’s car, running business in Afghanistan, befriending the Taliban, being detained in Taliban jail, and more. Miles—also known online as “Lord Miles”—seeks advice on how to relate to “normal people” given his insane lifestyle, expressing both pride and exhaustion about his notoriety and chaotic choices. Lyle approaches the call with both disbelief and compassion, probing deeper into Miles’ emotional world and ultimately encouraging him to seek balance, community, and self-reflection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Miles' Wild Background and Story

• Miles' Claim: He owns Osama bin Laden’s car, bought in Afghanistan for $8,000, with plans to sell it for much more to an American collector ([04:00]-[05:49]).
• How It Began: Accidentally trapped in Afghanistan during the Taliban takeover, befriended them through unexpected adventures ([06:59]-[08:45]).
  • Helped a tour guide attempt (unsuccessfully) to escape Taliban persecution.
  • Sold Taliban “merch” (uniforms, flags) on eBay, especially to autistic collectors.
• Business Model: Buys rare or dangerous items (tanks, cars, flags) cheap in Afghanistan to resell to Western collectors ([10:55]-[11:43]).
• Multiple Detainments: Spent nearly 8 months in Taliban jail—describes being accused of spying and weapons dealing, but ultimately treated surprisingly well ([15:46]-[17:19]).
• Other Exploits: Faked a press pass to enter Ukraine during the war’s breakout, joined a front-line Ukrainian unit for a few days, and helped ferry aid and refugees ([28:29]-[30:39]).

2. The Social Toll of an Extreme Life

• Isolation: Miles fears he can't relate to “normal people,” worries about scaring new acquaintances with his background ([17:19]-[17:52]).
  • “How do I not scare the hoes?” ([06:27], humorously phrased)
• Relationships: Is dating someone “autistic enough to like it” but dreads meeting her parents or explaining himself at social functions ([03:02], [22:11]-[22:58]).
• Emotional Impact: Expresses loneliness and fatigue: “I'm just tired, man,” and acknowledges struggling to form genuine connections ([43:22]-[45:10]).
• Recognition and Notoriety: Finds that new friends often “fangirl” over him or see him only as a spectacle, not a real person ([19:01]-[20:01]).

3. Self-Image & Motivation

• Adrenaline & Legacy: Admits being an “adrenaline junkie” and wanting to be remembered, possibly for something positive ([38:14]-[39:16]).
  • “I have always wanted to start my own country...” ([38:26]), seriously considered attempting a coup in Haiti.
• Conflict Over Identity: Fears his entire personality is wrapped up in his notorious activities ([23:56]-[24:10]).
• Financial Security vs. Risk: Though he has “enough money,” he keeps chasing riskier deals (“selling tanks to American collectors”) out of habit or compulsion ([54:26]-[56:36]).
• Self-Reflection: Moments of insight, seeing his motivations paralleled to Walter White in Breaking Bad—“I did it for me. I did it because I liked it.” ([61:12]-[62:30]).

4. Friendship and Community

• Social Circle: Tend to be “edgy, 4chan-y, provocateur” types who egg each other on, pushing boundaries without offering much true care ([70:32]-[75:03]).
  • “My friends sent me a coffin...” as a dark joke about his lifestyle ([74:02]-[75:03]).
• Loneliness & Pariah Status: Realizes his social group may be part of the problem; expresses appreciation for his girlfriend and one worried friend as rare supportive figures ([87:23]-[88:06]).
• Family Background: IVF child, absent father, estranged alcoholic mother, difficult childhood that led to early homelessness—possibly relating to attraction to “gangs” or outlaw communities ([75:21]-[79:52]).

5. Lyle’s Role: Compassionate Confrontation

• Validation: Lyle repeatedly affirms that he believes Miles, both factually and emotionally ([13:03], [24:10]).
• Probing Purpose: Asks if Miles truly wants a “normal life” and explores his ambivalence ([18:14]-[19:01], [52:51]-[53:34]).
• Firm Advice: Encourages Miles to disengage from Taliban/war profiteering, seek community, join a church, and build a “grounding” normal life with balance ([80:10]-[85:42]).
  • “Try to enjoy just being a normal f***ing guy. There's a lot to enjoy.” ([83:45])
• Reflections on Chaos:
  • “You're clearly addicted to chaos, which is not inherently a bad thing ... but if all you have is your craziness, you will feel like you are floating through outer space.” ([31:49]-[32:59], [89:57])
• Encouragement: Suggests channeling “grand, insane energy” into meaningful, ethical pursuits (even proposes a podcast interviewing people like General Butt Naked, the Liberian warlord turned Christian) ([64:15]-[66:14]).

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Owning Osama’s Car:
  • “I own Osama bin Laden’s car.” (Miles, [04:04])
  • "You sent me a message... ‘I own Osama bin Laden’s car.’ And I was like, what the f*** are you talking about?" (Lyle, [04:04])
• On Social Disconnection:
  • “How do I not scare the hoes?” (Miles, [06:27])
  • “There’s really no way that you’re going to be able to have a conversation with a normal person without them getting freaked out.” (Lyle, [17:19])
• On Taliban Jail:
  • “About a month into my imprisonment, they start treating me like royalty.” (Miles, [16:18])
  • “To be honest, it was kind of a lads holiday, you know.” (Miles, [16:41])
• Lyle on Miles’ Choices:
  • “I think working for the Taliban is probably a bad idea.” (Lyle, [32:46])
  • “You have to find some balance, dude.” (Lyle, [84:11])
• On Survival/Death Wish:
  • “Are you afraid of dying, though? ...If you do this, you might get like, killed.” (Lyle, [43:17])
  • “This is gonna sound a little bit messed up. Kind of excited for it, almost.” (Miles, [43:22])
  • “I just want to say to you, because you're calling me...some part within you doesn't want to die.” (Lyle, [45:37])

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Important Timestamps

• [04:04] — Where the “Osama bin Laden’s car” story comes from.
• [06:27] — “How do I not scare the hoes?” – The challenge of relating to others.
• [15:46] — The Taliban jail story and how he survived it.
• [28:29] — Adventures in Ukraine, faking a press pass at the war’s start.
• [38:14] — His dream of starting a country by funding a coup in Haiti.
• [43:22] — Discussing the risks and appeal of dying young; exhaustion with hyper-dangerous life.
• [61:12] — Breaking Bad comparison: “I did it for me. I did it because I liked it.”
• [70:32] — Miles’ description of his friends and how they react to his exploits.
• [75:21] — Upbringing: IVF baby, absent and troubled parents.
• [80:10] — Lyle’s core advice: Seek community, be a regular, join a church.

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The Final Advice and Reflection

• Lyle to Miles:

  • Find balance: You don't have to abandon all craziness, but build a grounding, “normal” life outside of chaos.
  • Seek real community: Church, local institutions, and “being a regular somewhere” can provide stability and support missing from his current social circle.
  • Consider why he keeps chasing ethical gray zones and danger—financial security is not worth more danger and isolation.
  • Reflect on what kind of legacy and everyday life he honestly wants.

• Miles’ Closing Thoughts:

  • Expresses appreciation for Lyle’s advice, finds it better than that from many friends ([48:13]).
  • Seems to resolve to look for more balance, build a real-life community, and channel his energy into new directions ([86:07]).

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Memorable Sign-off

Miles: “Just live. Love. Love… I think I’ve said too much. That’s quite all right… you actually a very good counselor. Very good stuff.” ([89:28])
Lyle: “If all you have is your craziness, you will feel like you are floating through outer space… I hope Miles makes the right decisions, and finds some form of peace for himself.” ([89:57])

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a wild, sometimes jaw-dropping, sometimes heartfelt journey into the psyche of a man living on the chaotic edge of modern adventurism and notoriety. On the surface, it’s a darkly comic tale of selling tanks and Taliban merch; beneath, it’s a vulnerable exploration of loneliness, childhood neglect, the dangers of adrenaline addiction, and the search for meaning and community. Lyle’s compassionate but no-nonsense approach holds a mirror up to Miles—and provides genuine, practical advice for anyone feeling lost after living on the edge for too long.

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[Miles]

Hello? Is this the Gecko guy?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah. What's up man?

[Miles]

Whoa. It's an honor. Well, I need some advice. It's quite, it's quite a unique one.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, sure. Hit me.

[Miles]

Well, basically I go to Afghanistan from time to time and I ended up befriending the Taliban, long story. And I made a good amount of money from it. To be honest, I could retire from it, but it's really put a damper on my social life because, you know, I go out, I meet some new people and you know, they say they do like digital marketing or something and they turn to me, oh, what do you do? And then I say, yeah, I like bought a tank from the Taliban and I've sold it to an American collector and then suddenly they run away or like they report me to the police or, you know, they just talk about human rights stuff. But to be honest, I kind of enjoy it. Like, they kind of like my tally bros. I just don't know how to talk to people. Like, I've got a girlfriend, she's autistic enough to like it, but what do I say when I meet her parents, you know?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

What's your name?

[Miles]

Miles. We spoke before in the DMs on Instagram.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, we've never, we. Okay, we've never spoken on the podcast before, but we DMed back and forth a little bit because you, you sent me a message. Just shortly after I went to Iraq, you sent me a message and you were like, you said, hey, if you ever want to come to Afghanistan, I'll show you around. I own Osama bin Laden's car. And I. Oh yeah, I saw that message and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? So I responded and we chatted back and forth a little bit. And then you sent me a bunch of crazy stuff and I was like, thank you. I was like, and we can have this conversation for sure. But we. You sent me a bunch of crazy stuff and I was like, off. I don't know about this, man. I don't know if I'm Gonna go to Afghanistan because. Go Afghanistan. I don't. Listen, I'm not gonna pretend like I know a lot about Afghanistan, but, like, I feel like Afghanistan and Iraq are different ball games.

[Miles]

That's true. That is true. Well, you know, you know, if you go to north central Ireland and you show these people, say, a mobile phone, they'll think you're crazy. However, to a wise man, it's just normal technology. That's. That's. You view my messages to me, o', Neill, Saban bin Laden's car. Because what I did, I went to the village where he was, and I was like, hey, buddy. Hey, pal. You know this car here in this photograph? Where is it? And I tracked it down. I'm like, huh? How much is this to buy? $8,000. Okay. Ring, ring. Hello, auction house. How much my. This me worth 1.2 million. And then I'm like, wow, this is great business. You know, Think about it. So, to me, this is no way. And okay, so. Business sense. Really? Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

So, Miles, you know, Miles, I've. I've. I'm not like, what. I've talked to a bunch of people, and I've seen a bunch of stuff. So I'm willing to believe that, like, you, whatever. Whoever you are and whatever you're doing is. Is authentic. I'm willing to. I'm. I'm more. I genuinely mean this. Willing to believe that you owned Osama bin Laden's car and that you are this guy than. Than that you're pulling a prank on me. But I do, I, I. Let's start from the very beginning.

[Miles]

Sure.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

So I.

[Miles]

How do I not scare the post?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

How do you not scare the hoes? Yeah, we'll get into that. But I want to know. Hold on. We'll get into that. Let's. Let's go for. Let's start from the beginning. How old are you, Miles?

[Miles]

26. But my hairline seems 40.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And where are you from originally?

[Miles]

Unfortunately, it's a very dangerous place. I'm kind of used to that. I'm from this place called Birmingham. It's like the Detroit of England.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And how did you start going to Afghanistan?

[Miles]

Well, I kind of went there by accident. So I was about to start this job, and they had this program during COVID where they'll pay for your holiday beforehand to kind of, you know, get you ready for insane hours. But because it was covered, there were only two options. One was Albania and one was Afghanistan. So I decided to go to Afghanistan, and then three days later, the Taliban took over, and I was kind of stuck there with the military. So I just kind of walked around with a selfie stick and filmed some of it. It was kind of fun. And I've never drank alcohol before that, but it's photos of me doing shots with the British military before we got evacuated. I mean, that was kind of like my first taste of it, as you had.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And then how did you make friends with the Taliban?

[Miles]

Well, I had this. I had this tour guide who was there with me at the time, and he kept begging me in my DMs afterwards, saying he's going to be killed by the Taliban. So I planned to get him out by smuggling him to Pakistan. So I guess human trafficking, technically, but in a wholesome way. And I flew back there, and then when I got in the country, he basically backed out. Chicken now, the last second. So I ended up going to this hotel. There wasn't a hotel. I walked into a Taliban compound by accident. And then we just watched cricket together on TV and ate food, and it was kind of chill. And then I saw some Taliban merch that they gave to me and I started sending it on ebay. Yeah, like flags, Merryberry patches, stuff like that. Like uniforms stuff. And autistic people really like that stuff. You know.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Why. Why did. Why did the tour guide ask you for help getting away from the Taliban?

[Miles]

That's a good question. He had a really bad taste in, I guess, people. I guess that's why he got captured. He just wasn't good at decision making. Yeah, but I think he's doing fine now. I think he finally got to the us But I think he spent, like a year in jail or something because he used to work for the Americans. Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And where are you calling me from? Are you in England right now?

[Miles]

Unfortunately, yeah. It's really dangerous here, honestly.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And you go back and forth between England and Afghanistan?

[Miles]

Yeah, basically. I know the CEO of the Afghan National Airline, and he jokes a flight from Kabul to London would count it as a domestic flight.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Oh, why? What's the joke?

[Miles]

Well, the same type of people there. And sometimes in London, you just get stabbed. And sometimes they're walking around London and there's this language that the Taliban speak. It's a very distinct language called Pashtu. And I speak some of it. You know, you pick it up and I'm walking down the streets of London randomly, and I just hear it. I just hear it. I have, like, Vietnam flashbacks of the Taliban, and I can tell that guy is Afghan. And we kind of lock eyes sometimes. And sometimes I'm in this Afghanistan restaurant in Kabul. And then some guy would come up to me and he speaks perfect English, and he goes, oh, yeah, I'm Taliban. I live in London. And once I went to the village of Osama bin Laden called Tora Bora, I went there for food relief efforts. And one guy showed me a selfie of him in front of Big Ben. And he's like ice. He was like, former isis. So I look mortified, and he's just laughing and walks away. It's kind of a. It's kind of concerning. I don't really know what to do about it.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay, so this is your main job. Well, how do you make a living? How do you exist?

[Miles]

Well, I buy something for cheap and I sell it for more. And to be honest, our money is good. I mean, again, Osama bin Lam's car, $8,000, probably 20,000 on exporting in a bunch of random.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But also, I assume Osama Laden probably had many cars, so this is one. This is not like. Like, it's crazy. Here's the thing. Like, I. I believe you because I feel. Sure, why not? I mean, I. I've met. I'm aware of the existence of, like, people like you who just get. Are you. Are you autistic?

[Miles]

I mean, what do you think?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

What do I think? Probably you keep alluding to it, so I would assume you are.

[Miles]

I mean, let's be real here. It's kind of, you know, I. I mean, if you said yes, I wouldn't be shocked. Like, what normal. What normal person comes up with this? You know?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

So you are. Are you making this up?

[Miles]

No, no, no, it's definitely true. Remember, I sent you pictures and everything. Google my name. This is all you.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Actually, hold on, let me pull up our chats, because you did send me. Did you send me pictures of you?

[Miles]

I think I did. I can send you some pictures right now if you want. Let me just get.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, no, I remember. You're Lord Miles something on Instagram. Oh, yeah, I remember you. Okay, yeah, here you go.

[Miles]

There you are. Let me. Let me just send some pictures. I have no.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, I remember.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Why do you. Okay, I remember this exactly. Yeah, that's a picture of you. Okay, I see you and then. Yeah, you sent me.

[Miles]

Honestly, I. I watched you when I was in Taliban jail. I had a little bit of Internet access and.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, here's a. Yeah, and you're kind

[Miles]

of funny, you know.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Oh, thanks, man. Thanks. Yeah, here's a picture of you with a spongebob tapestry with.

[Miles]

With the Taliban Yeah, they, they, they have a growing into the art sector, but into the economy is booming, obviously. Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay. You are 100%. I, I, I, unless if you're using AI to with me, which I'm not even. I'm not going to get. I think you're telling the truth.

[Miles]

Yeah, I mean, sometimes it kind of feels a bit bizarre, even on my end, but. No, definitely telling the truth. There's some, there's some articles about me online. You know, I've got a Twitter account where I post pictures of everything.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

What's the. How do I find this article?

[Miles]

So let me send you something. I'll send you a link.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay, Text. Okay, text it to me. Text it to me. Don't send it to me on the dm because I can't. Look, I don't. Can't find that.

[Miles]

I got you.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I mean, actually, I can't I send it on either one. I don't care.

[Miles]

Like, this one's quite funny. I'll send you this now. Grip my phone bill. Let's see.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay.

[Miles]

All right, I'm gonna say I'm gonna send you, I'm gonna send you a few.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, Here we go. YouTuber Lord Miles says he is willing to pay ISIS a hundred thousand pounds if they can take him out in England.

[Miles]

Yeah. So I got threatened by isis, so I kind of put a bounty on my head and for eight months I had like a cold storage white, like, like some physical bitcoin around my neck to the value of 100k. And I just walked around. So if ISIS could kill me, yeah, they could just take the bounty, but they didn't because, you know, they cut. They kind of ruined my holiday sometimes. And yeah, they threaten me in Afghanistan, so I just keep threatening them back. And once I was in Taliban jail, I got to slap one. That's a whole other story there.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah. Why did you. Oh, yeah, here's. Okay, here's a BBC. Oh, this is a BBC article.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Four British men freed after Afghanistan detention. Oh, fuck.

[Miles]

Yeah. I mean, my food is in there.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Dude, you're insane. Okay. All right. Because I know a lot of people are probably listening to this thinking that you're. No, you're. Yeah, you're real. I. Yeah. Okay.

[Miles]

You want to see some selfies of me in jail?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

No, I. Send me, Send me what you want, but I'm more interested in talking to you. Okay. Yeah. This is a picture. Miles. I could say your last name. Previously said he traveled to Afghanistan because he enjoyed. Okay, so, yeah, you went to fucking. Yeah, you totally are not lying to me. You went to Taliban jail.

[Miles]

I mean, it happens to the best of us, you know.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Why did, why, how did you end up in Taliban jail?

[Miles]

Well, you know, some. It's alleged, allegedly I was weapons dealing. I was apparently allegedly buying up weapons from the Taliban and selling them to Ukraine. But you know, there's no evidence I went through this. But also there were, there were three other British men and they were basically all spies. And I stayed in the same hotel as one. So the Taliban put two and two together and thought, oh, this British guy, this Miles guy might be a spy. And also I was starting a gold mine in the country and I didn't have a permit to go to a certain region, so I got in trouble. But then, I've gotta be honest, real recognizes real. And then about a month into my imprisonment, they start like treating me like royalty. It's quite nice, you know. And then eventually I treated like a networking events and they let me like even my guards were told, I was told by the commander that my guards were now my servants. So I would actually give them some money. So I had some physical cash on me. I would give them money for my prison cell and they would bring me anything I want. So I had like my gaming laptop without Internet access for a while and I would just sit back and chill and play video games. Like my guards, the photo I sent you on Instagram, my guards let me like have one of their weapons and I chased them around the compound with their own weapon and they were screaming like little girls. And to be honest, it was kind of a lads holiday, you know?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah. So Miles. Yeah, so I mean, to go back to what you were saying initially, there's really no way that you're going to be able to have a conversation with a normal person without them getting freaked out.

[Miles]

Yeah, that's. That's kind of my fear, you know. How do I. How do I kind of channel this into a normal career, you know? Is there some wording I can use? Can I just perhaps never talk about him? Live a double life almost.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

How do you channel this into a normal career? Well, I just can't.

[Miles]

I just can't relate to normal people, you know.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I'm sure you can't. You have a weird. You're a. You have a weird existence. I don't know how I. Listen, I don't know how you got there. I don't know what you're thinking, but I also. But Miles, I believe. What's the thing, what's the Jesus thing? About like that you can't. There's nowhere too far. You can't come go. You can come home. Yeah, I believe you can come. You can come home. You can bet I don't. Do you want to be a Nor. I don't know. I don't know. What's up with you, Miles? Do you want to just be like a normal guy? Like you go to like. Listen, here's the thing. I don't know what it is and I just fully believe you because a. I've been a version of you. Not like I don't. I don't really want to hang out with the Taliban, I think, you know, but I'm not going to talk to you about that. But you know, yeah, whatever. Doing weird stuff and then like I've also met people like you. Whatever. But yeah, you see, you want to just. What, like what do you want to do with your life? I mean you're a young guy. Like what. How do you. Do you want to keep doing this crazy crap or do you want to like what do you want to do?

[Miles]

Well, I did plan a couple for long story. But I even want to do very grand things all the same time. I just want to. I guess I want to strike up a conversation with someone and then within a few days they don't Google my name and find something weird. You know, so I'd have to create another identity or you know, I can just lessen the impact of this whole thing. I don't know. I want, I want to be able to start new friendships without people fangirling over me, if that makes sense. You know, it's kind of one sided of all that is I go to church and then, you know, the people go, oh my God, what'd you do this time? Oh, tell me about it. And I go, oh, let me. Maybe you should tell me about yourself sometime. Like nonsense. My life is boring and they just tell me about. They talk about me and it creates a weird dynamic, you know, because I mean when you, when you go out, when you go out. Okay, you tell people you dress as a gecko, right?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yes.

[Miles]

I mean, I presume you're actually not gecko, right? I don't know. However, you know, it kind of. I guess the normal people that kind of creates a weird dynamic and either they like you for money or fame or you know, attention. See what I mean?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I know exactly what you're trying to say and I have a lot of thoughts on it. Is okay like, yeah, sure, like I'll. Like, I mean, yeah, like sure. I'll go out and talk to people and then it'll come up that I'm like, you know, go to interesting places as a gecko, and they'll want to talk about it. And then, like, I'll talk about it for a little bit and then I'll be like, what do you do? How's your life? You know, and then we'll start talking about them and it'll just be a normal conversation. Can I ask you this? And be honest with. Be honest with you. Just. And it's okay, by the way. There's no shame and no judgment. Do you. When you tell people, because, listen, you do a thing and you know, you do it. You did it to me, and I do a version of it. But when you say to someone at a party or whatever, you say, yeah, I sold. I once sold Osama bin Laden's car. They're going to be like, what? You know, and then you're going to start telling them about this Taliban stuff. And like, listen, at any point in time they're gonna have. Of course they're gonna have a lot of questions. At any point in time you can just be like, yeah, but what's going on with you? And you can just not stop. You stop talking about it. If they want, you can let them lead if they want to talk about, but eventually they're gonna not. You know, I mean, I. You have an infinite amount of crazy stuff that you can talk about it, but if you don't, if that's not what I feel like. And look, correct me if I'm. Tell me, be honest with me. Do you secretly like it? It's okay if you do. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's just embodying who you are. But do you like being. Do you like the attention?

[Miles]

I do to some degree, though, you know, it only goes so far if that makes sense. And it kind of, it kind of. Yo yos. You know, I feel like, I feel like sometimes it's like, it's like, you know, I guess if it's a. If it's like, if you're a handsome person, I guess people talk to you and you like the intention.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And then you wonder, do people actually like you for you or just a nice face? I guess, like, for example, I. I made some new friends once, and, you know, we're hanging out for like two weeks on and off, and always good in the world, and they don't know what I do. I just evaded to it. And then Suddenly, when Uber, I'm in front seat of everything back, I get a phone call from like the head of foreign intelligence of the Taliban of the GDI. And it's like on a FaceTime call and he just starts chatting to me. He's dressed in, you know, the robe and everything. He has a, he has like an ak. In the video, he's speaking to me and I forget that, you know, the people behind me don't know what I do. So I speak to him for two minutes. I look backwards and they're mortified. And then the friendship ended. It's like, it's unavoidable, you know.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay, well.

[Miles]

And now I can't excuse the long absence. There's either, like, where'd you go for the last three months? Oh, I was just abroad. Doing what? Where's the photos? It's like, ah, you know, it's like, it's like being a spider man almost. You know, everyone thinks you're something else, you know, you have to hide.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But, but okay, so now, well, now we're on a bunch of different things, right? Because if you're. Here's the thing. And it sounds like I don't. Okay, it sounds like I don't have to explain to you why working for the Taliban might make it difficult for you to make friends with normal people.

[Miles]

That's true.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But you're telling me, but you're telling me, you're telling me that you would like to live a normal life. So listen, if you want to live a normal life, you probably going to have to give up working for the Taliban.

[Miles]

Oh, shucks.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But you already knew that.

[Miles]

I guess, but that's true. But it's like, I guess that's what I do. I guess. Oh, you just helped me realize something. I guess that's my entire identity at this point. Yeah, I just need to, I need to create a new thing.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Here's the thing, though. Like, you seem. And by the way, I, I, it's so funny because I'm like, listen, I'm looking, I'm looking at these articles you sent me, and you're not lying to me. You're telling me the truth. I believe you. 100.

[Miles]

There's a lot. There's a lot more. Well, it's like, what, Who's Epstein without the island? You know?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But okay, but okay, let me level with you on this, okay? You clearly are a little insane.

[Miles]

Thank you.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And you like doing insane stuff. But can I, can I introduce you to the possibility that you can still do grand, insane, weird stuff? That you feel excited to talk to other people about. That makes you feel like you're living a grand, adventurous life that doesn't involve working for the Taliban,

[Miles]

I guess. I mean I did, I did kind of have a stint in Ukraine and that was good. Everyone gave me positive reception for that. You know, when you tell, when you, when you mention to like normal people, like your friends at the Taliban, you know, it kind of, it does. You don't usually get positive reaction, you know. No you don't, you know. Yeah.

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[Gecko (Lyle)]

what were you doing? I was also just in Ukraine. What were you doing in Ukraine?

[Miles]

Oh, I shouldn't admit this. Screw it. Okay, so I was in Ukraine as the war begun and then I, I faked a press pass. So I basically got my university lanyard and then I went in Ms. Paints and like created this terrible like press pass and I printed it out on like black and white paper, glued it with Elmo glue over my university lanyard and then just like put it on the lanyard around my neck and then I would go near the front lines or checkpoints and just flash it and I dress apart. And it was the early days of the war, so they just didn't care. So he just let me through and I, I live streamed most of this too. And I ended up being in the front lines of a war and my car broke down during curfew. So I'm walking around, I get ambushed and then I join this random unit. We're going through a school, you know, hiding, I guess we basically get bombarded with, I guess artillery. A school collapses on top of us when we're in the basement. I walk through the underground railroad network in Kharkiv to get back to the city. And then I said in Harkiv. Yeah, Kharkiv. And then I go back to Poland, we buy a second car and then we just drive food aid in and then drive refugees out. And that got positive reception.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You, I'm sorry.

[Miles]

That was kind of good.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I'm sorry, you joined. You joined a random. I'm sorry, you joined a random unit of Ukrainians?

[Miles]

Well, just for like a few nights.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You know, I was. I didn't know. I didn't. I was just trying. I was just trying to clarify which. Which side you were fighting on.

[Miles]

I've been invited to Russia, but I've gotta be honest, I don't trust Femina. I'm not really rushing to go, am I right?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I'm sure you have. I'm sure you have. Yeah. I mean that. I'm sure that. I mean, yeah, that's like. You were basically like a volunteer soldier on the side of Ukraine.

[Miles]

Well, I convinced a friend to actually join the Ukrainian army, so. His name's Will and he's British, he's on the front lines and he's killed, like, 35 Russians. He works as a drone pilot. And he just sends me, like, you know, like, universe. When you scroll on the Instagram reels and you come across, like a live leak video, he creates his own. Basically, he just sends me footage of him, like, drone striking Russians. And I think, why have I created. You know, so even in the goodness of my heart, when I was doing good, charitable things, it basically created 25 murders. I understand it's war, but, like, I think I'm kind of responsible for that.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Miles, let's. I'm gonna bring. I'm gonna. Let's re. Miles, I'm gonna Really back in. Okay. Yeah, so. And you know what? I don't. I've confirmed that you're telling me the truth. And I'm gonna also assume that you're genuinely asking me to work this. Work through this with you, and I would be happy to, like, what.

[Miles]

What should I do for a lifestyle?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Well, okay, you're clearly addicted to. To quote a line from the Grand Theft Auto 5 trailer, you're clearly addicted to chaos. And I think there are. If you. You're clearly addicted to chaos, which is not an inherently bad thing. I am also clearly addicted to chaos in a lot of ways. And it's made a lot of normal life things hard for me. And I've tried to find. And I've actually gotten pretty good at figuring out how to structure my life in such a way that I can feed my desires for chaos, but also live some. My own version of a conventional normal life. I think that you should find ways to feed your desire for chaos that, like, you know, hey, listen, I think working for the Taliban is probably a bad idea. I Think it's probably a bad idea.

[Miles]

I mean, yeah, that's true. It kind of has made me good money, but, you know, I can just end it like that.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I mean, okay, but if it's made,

[Miles]

I guess I've got enough.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But listen, if it's made you good money. Yeah, listen, here's the thing. If you've been doing this and it's made you good money and you're out, it's. You're like a. It's like being a fucking gangster, man. It's like. It's like you're out. If you're out of the game, you get out of the game alive, right? And now you're like. And now what I'm hearing from you is both this thing of, A, I want to. I mean, I don't know if I'm hearing this for you, but I'm going to assume it from you is like, a, I want to devote my life to things that are more ethical. And then, B, I want to devote my life to, like, I just want to be, like a normal ass guy with, like, a girlfriend and friends who's not, like, you know, scaring people away by telling them that I'm working for the Taliban, you know, I mean. And I think you can do those two things. And I think. And I think that if you take your money, right, and you're like, all right, let me just stay right there. And then you go, okay, well, how can I use my capital now to do things that are ethical and nice and also, like, set me up for some sort of normal existence? And there's a lot of creative answers to those questions. And, like, listen, man, there's all sorts of, like, there's a lot of great adventures out there for you to have that don't involve working for the Taliban. And then also if you want to, like, go fucking, you know, decide what your base city is, right? Like, you want to just live in Birmingham and have friends and, like, go to the bar. You don't want to live in Birmingham. Move to London. Move to where? Go find, like a community of people somewhere. Go join a community of people somewhere. Like, go. Go somewhere where you can, like, fuck it. Like, what do you like to do, man? You like playing video games? Like, like, okay, clearly, listen, you clearly like doing a bunch of crazy, insane shit.

[Miles]

But.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But, like, what do you like doing that's normal? You like playing video games? What else?

[Miles]

Because I like. I play Fortnite a little bit whilst in Saudi Arabia recently. I like reading books. I like going to coffee Shops and just, I guess just doom scrolling a little bit. Okay. Oh, God. I actually have no real hobbies. Oh, God, you kind of do.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

No, no, you kind of do. You have no video games. Yeah, you like, you like traveling, I

[Miles]

guess, but like, that's a white woman in her early 20s on Instagram thing, you know? I mean.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, but you have a mother. Yeah, yeah, but also. Yeah, but you're also white in your 20s. Doing it. It's okay. It's okay.

[Miles]

Oh, God. I'm a basic white woman. No, that's true.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

It's okay to be a basic white woman. Why is it, why are we placing. We're placing judgment values on things for no reason. Can I tell you something? Because here's the thing. I'm sure you've interacted like, because, listen, do you feel the way I. Listen, I'm trying to like, approach you because I'm being, I'm being like, I'm being, I'm trying to be really genuine, ingenuous with you because I believe.

[Miles]

Thank you.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And I believe that you're like, I believe you're making a genuine appeal. And so there's been plenty of times right, when you're talking because you said, you seem like you're placing a lot of value judgments on things. There's plenty of times where you're like talking to some lady and she's looking at you like this guy is like, insane. And you're looking at her like she's basic. And it's like, just drop everything and just exist. You know what I mean? Like, take away the fucking, the veils of everything for like a second here and just exist. What do you want to do? It's okay to travel and run around and be like, oh, I want to connect with people. I want to have weird novel experiences that are interesting to talk about. There's like ethical, productive, safe ways to, to do that that won't leave you with this life that makes you be like, oh, I'm like this weird, like, pariah y crazy. I have no ground. You gotta, you gotta like, you can, you can live that life, but do it on the foundation of something that like, just grounds you into fucking reality. Because it sounds like you've just been in, in outer space for pretty much all of your adult life, you know? And I, and I, and I kind of know a little bit. I've never worked for the Taliban, but I, I, I kind of know a little bit what that feels like, you know? So just, yeah, just, just a lot

[Miles]

of overlap with being a Gecko. I get that a little.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But like, just, I believe. I believe that you can create a life where you feel grounded and as if you can connect with other people, but can also feed your chaotic desires in a way that is not destructive to yourself and society.

[Miles]

I did have one project and to be honest, legacy means a lot to me. I want people to hopefully remember me one day. And the positive things, not just being friends of the Tally bros, you know?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And I've always wanted to start my own country, and I have. Come on, why not? You know? All right. I mean, okay.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

All right.

[Miles]

You know, I don't. I think it's possible, but also, you know, I just think. I just think it has to end the disaster, you know? Well, I think it always happens to some degree. Like I start. I start a gold mine in Afghanistan, eight months jail. I go to Saudi Arabia, I spend three months there. You know, they suspect I'm a terrorist. Long, long story. You know, things just seem to follow. So what I was considering is, you know that Haiti is in a state of like Balkanization right now. A bunch of civil wars due to different terroristic factions fighting each other and cannibalizing one another and eating children and such. Right?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Maybe. I don't know. I don't. Sure. I don't know.

[Miles]

Yeah, that's the state. Well, there's an island up north called Tortica and you might know it from Pirates of the Caribbean. And it has a population of like 10,000 people. And they want separation from rest of Haiti. It's got a bunch of oil up north and it has the highest deposits of iridium on the mainland. So bunch of yummy minerals. And I'm thinking I've been speaking to some of these people through Airbnb and some contacts I have on the island, and I think with about $15 million, I can create a coup on the island and basically install a new government and declare independence. Because all the factions on the mainland are constantly fighting. I need to raise a little bit more money. But

[Gecko (Lyle)]

you said you need $15 million total.

[Miles]

Yes. Debt to sustain a population of 2,000 foreigners. So Americans, Europeans, whatever, in order to defend the island against any attack and also build enough infrastructure to be self sustaining. Yeah, within two years, roughly.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

So. So what you would do is you would go to. What is this island called? Tortuga.

[Miles]

Tortuga, yeah. So if you look on map of Haiti, it's 20 miles in length, roughly up north from Haiti, like a tiny little sliver of an island. But, you know, I mean, you look at the British Virgin Islands, St. Kitts and Nevis. It's a little bit smaller, but those islands.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, it's a bit of a. Okay, so you. So. Okay, so you're telling me that there's a bunch of people on the island of Tortuga that want independence from Haiti, and you're thinking about going down there, gathering enough money to start a coup and basically starting a war of independence from the island of Tortuga against the Haitian government. And basically, you would head that revolution, and then hopefully, in your plan, you would win and then declare a new country. That's.

[Miles]

That's your project, basically, as you do. Well, okay, here's the thing. There's no. There's no guns on the actual island itself. It's not even got a police station.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah.

[Miles]

So you need to find terrorists in that area.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah. You would need to fund the. The independence war yourself.

[Miles]

Yeah. Hence.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, that'll.

[Miles]

That's.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah. Yeah, I think that'll. I think that'll scare the hose for sure if you. If that's your new plan, if that. If that's what you were talking about not wanting to do.

[Miles]

Yeah. Well, but then do the hoes even have, I guess, a. A. An option? Because, you know, if I'm a world leader on an island, if I quite literally am part of the UN or own a micronation, I think that's the op. I think. I think that'll scare many hoes, but also many hoes would like that.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Can I ask you a gen. Or the people in general, a genuine question?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

First of all, like, I still. I 100% believe you, that this is a project you're thinking about doing, and I also believe you probably are. You could probably figure out how to get that money if you're hanging out. Well, listen, but listen, but listen, listen, listen.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Wait, you said you're already. You're already independently. Well, you already have $15 million.

[Miles]

No, a few million, but not 50 million.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay. And you could easily figure out how to raise that money?

[Miles]

Not easily, but I think it's worth exploring, and I think it's possible. You know, you hear people raising money for some dumb fuck app right on social media and, you know, becoming a $500 million business without even launching. Yeah, I feel like countries make money.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Are you afraid of dying, though? Like, if you do this, you might get, like, killed.

[Miles]

This is gonna sound. This is gonna sound a little bit messed up. Kind of excited for it, almost. I'm kind of excited. I'm. I'm quite religiously Christian. So I believe if I die, if I've done things correctly, if I pray enough and, you know, repent, I go to heaven. Right. Okay. So I've gotta be honest, I'm just tired, man. Yeah, I'm a little bit tired. You know, I've been imprisoned a few times. I actually have no criminal record, bizarrely. And, you know, dealing with these people, from the Taliban to the North Koreans to the Ukrainians and everything in between and, you know, getting shot at a few times and so on, you kind of get a bit worn out. And of course, you know, I guess if you're part of the army, you have, you know, someone directing you, so you kind of just follow instructions by after. Do everything as I go. And then obviously, you know, it's obviously a bit lonely again. I'm. Yeah, of course I'm in the city and I literally hear the voices of the Taliban sometimes walking down the street. And if I start speaking back to them in that language, they look bewildered. And I can't speak to a normal person, a white person, a British person who I could relate to. And then some of my friends are just friends of me because I have money and they're just lazy bums. I've got to be honest. And then, you know, when I, When I meet my girlfriend's parents, you know, that's gonna be tough too. And sometimes, you know, the whole lifestyle obviously will damage relationships. When I went to prison for eight months in Taliban jail, kind of ended one of my relationships, you know, And I don't blame her because, you know, if your boyfriend's Taliban jail, it's kind of a. Kind of a tough to maintain a relationship. Taliban actually offered conjugal visits, but I said no, that's a bit weird, you know, but, yeah, it's a bit of a weird dynamic. It creates.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Miles. Miles.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

If I are you, can I ask you, Cassie, a few things? One is, are you, Are you open, Are you actually open to any perspective I might offer you on this? I'm gonna offer it anyway, but I'm curious, genuinely. I, I, I, I'm gonna assume you're. You mean that genuinely?

[Miles]

No, genuinely, I wouldn't be calling you if I, I wouldn't waste your time, basically.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay. Okay. Miles, I believe that if you're, like, going out to the front line. I mean, if you're going out to the front lines of Ukraine and you're, like, doing all this stuff with the Taliban, I believe, first of all, I believe you. I believe that all this stuff happened. I believe that you have a thing in you that, whether it's because of your disposition or because of your religion or whatever, I believe you have something in you that's really tired and doesn't care if you die. And I believe that if you really wanted to, you could totally figure out a way to go down to the island of Tortuga and fund an independent military coup against the government and start your own country, and that you might totally get kidnapped or die in the process of doing that. Like, I don't. I really don't think you're fucking with me. And I just want to say to you because you, Like, I feel like the fact that you're calling me and asking me for advice on this means some part within you doesn't want to die or doesn't want to. Like. Like that you're just tired and you're just like, fuck, man, my life has been so fucking weird and I can't relate to anybody because if I talk to anybody about this stuff, like, it's. I just feel insane. Like, there's just. No. My life has just been so fucking weird that I, I. There's no place for me anymore. So the only option that I have is to do this other grand, insane thing that might result in my death. And, like, listen, man, you could do that. But like me personally, I would enjoy seeing the version of Lord Miles that lives to his 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, having found a way to channel his energy into something where you can still be a businessman and you can still do things that are exciting, but not fucking die or challenge dangerous governments head on, you know? Like, I just don't want you to, like, do a bunch of reckless shit just because you don't care about your life. Like, Like, I think you do. I think you do care about your life, you know, so, you know.

[Miles]

You know, I've had some friends for three or four years and they haven't said anything like that. And they haven't had as much perspective as you have. You've honestly told me things that, you know, I couldn't articulate mentally, but that makes perfect sense. And honestly, you give me better advice and a lot of people I've known for many years, you are great, and this is why I called you. Thank you.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, of course, man.

[Miles]

I mean, it's just like.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I just think, like, you're 26, man. Like, there's. There's whatever the. Your life has been so far, there's something after it. I mean, it'll be really, you know, I mean, like, like, listen, I've. Maybe it's because I went to you. I did not. I have not been to the front lines of Ukraine, and I've not been to Afghanistan. But, like, I've. Like, you're. But, like, you know, whatever. I've met people, I've read things. Like, nothing you're saying is, like, what? There's no way that any of that could possibly be true. Like, we live in an insane universe. And I think it's maybe hard for people to grasp that, and it's going to be hard for people to grasp that for you, but I think if you just like, kind of approach the rest of your life, like, humbly, you know, you. There's. There's. There is life beyond whatever your life has been thus far. You just have to kind of find a version of it.

[Miles]

I mean, you.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You have a girlfriend, right?

[Miles]

How do I. Yeah, she's wonderful. She's. She's honestly great. She.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

How do you know she likes her?

[Miles]

Do you. So she basically just DM'd me. I've got a little bit of a following. She DM'd me, and we've just been talking ever since. She's very sweet. I don't want to go too much detail. I got some weird people out there that might try and, you know, doctor or something, but she's just. She's just wonderful. I could talk about her for hours. She's. She's honestly the best. I want to give her everything. And, you know, I. I just want children someday, sooner rather than later. I want to get married. I want to give her cute little things. I want to do, you know, boyfriend and girlfriend stuff together. You know, I just want to make it happy, basically. And, you know, she kind of likes this stuff, and I don't want to die, obviously, for her. Yeah, emo. I had that feeling that you described. It's like, I'm not. I'm not, you know, walking on landmines to see if they go off. You know, I've got some preservation amongst myself, but sometimes I just kind of think, ah, you know, if I. If I get shot, that'd be okay, you know,

[Gecko (Lyle)]

like, can I. Do you want to be anonymous on here? Because I know you do have a follow. I mean, people can probably find you easily. I mean, we said your name.

[Miles]

Trust me, they. They. People know me. It's all good.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

All right, so can I say what your thing is?

[Miles]

My. My ex or.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

No. Like, no, your YouTube channel and shit.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay. So you're Lord Miles Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You have a, you, you have a Wikipedia page?

[Miles]

Yeah. I mean, when I was a kid, I thought, you know, Wikipedia page, also official, but it just kind of happened one day, you know? Do you have a Wikipedia page?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I do not have a Wikipedia page.

[Miles]

Someone make him a Wikipedia page. This. This must happen. Yeah. I've got to be honest. When I was in Taliban jail, I had, I had some Internet access, so there was a unsecured WI fi hotspot nearby on this laptop. I remember distinctly downloading one. Your podcast as an MP3 file and listening to it. And, like, that's how, that's how I know you. Like, I respect what you do a lot, and you're very funny and actually genuinely helpful to a lot of people. You know, there's been some clips, moments out there. No, it's okay. You know, the Taliban gecko alliance, but

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I don't know, I don't. I'm gonna push back on Taliban gecko

[Miles]

alliance for legal reasons. Not true.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

For a lot of reasons. But, But I will say, listen. But I believe you, and you're coming to your. I think you're making a genuine. I believe everything you're saying emotionally as well. And so, like, so there's a lot

[Miles]

of conflicting feelings, you know?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah. I mean, dude, like, okay, you, you wrote a book. You're doing okay. Dude. Why don't you, like, dude, I feel like, okay, when. Yeah. You have a following online, you're doing all this stuff. Like, dude, you could go, you could go straight pretty easy, I think. You know what I mean? Like, I, like, I see, like, you love your girl. Okay. You love your. Let's hold. Sorry, I got distracted a little bit. All right. So your girlfriend. I think I got distracted. I wanted to bring you up because I did want people. I think a lot of people are going to think that you're with me and then. But this is a real conversation.

[Miles]

No, no, I promise, I promise I'm not.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, I know you're not.

[Miles]

I, I can send proof if you need.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I, I, I already. I already. I know. I already. I already know. But. Okay, so you love your girlfriend.

[Miles]

She's great.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, okay.

[Miles]

I do.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And, and you.

[Miles]

And I feel early on, but. Yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And could you see yourself just having, like, a normal life where you're like, a family man and like, you know, kids?

[Miles]

I would, Yeah. I, I would have to be doing something, but if that makes sense.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I know, I know, I know.

[Miles]

Yeah. There has to be something, because I guess in a few years, if I, if I Want to. I'll never have to work again if I just, you know, like, for example, next thing is, I'm gonna sell a few tanks. Long story, but you know, I've got retirement money at that point, right?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You have what?

[Miles]

And so I need to occupy my time. Sorry.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You have $3 million.

[Miles]

I don't want to say the exact amount, but it's a decent amount.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay. Why can't. Yeah, I mean, you can, like, you can let you. I feel like. Do you not already have enough money? I mean, not like retire in style, but is that not enough money already? That, like, do you need to be selling tanks and shit? Like, Like. I don't know, man. I feel like.

[Miles]

Imagine you had something similar like that in the 1970s, right? Not 3 million, but equivalent. And then all that hyperinflation happens. A house used to be $10,000. And then all these years later, what made you rich in 1970s? It's really tough for you to be rich in 2025, that sort of money. And then market crashes. Yeah, I just. I did some.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Miles.

[Miles]

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Now, now, I know, I know. I know that your. I know that your current financial plan is to buy and sell tanks, but have you ever heard of something called foreign and domestic index funds?

[Miles]

I know. Yeah. The s and P500. Yeah. Yeah. I could.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Dude, just like, dude, miles, just take the money that you've made, put it in fucking index funds and then go like, do.

[Miles]

Just.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Dude, do it. Like, just get like. I get it that you, like, I get it that, like, selling tanks makes your dick hard. But, like, why can't like, I ref. What I refuse to believe. Okay, what? Okay, what I believe. What I believe is that a. You're clearly in some form of, like, strong disturbance over the way that you. Your current lifestyle is subconscious. So you're. You're in some form of disturb. I mean, you. You wouldn't be. We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't the fact that you're. You're in some form of disturbance or there's some kind of mental

[Miles]

retardation.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

No, no, no. Cognitive dissonance. You're in some form of cognitive dissonance.

[Miles]

Sometimes I look at people. I look at. I look at people working 60 hours a week, barely getting by. I'm like, why don't you sell tanks? You know what I mean? There would be a lot better financial position.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You know what? You know? Sure, sure. But selling tanks doesn't have to literally mean selling tanks. Like, you. There's A lot.

[Miles]

I mean, I'm taking. Yeah, but I'm taking tanks away from the Taliban. I mean, you know, it's kind of a good thing, I guess, you know, if you kind of anti Taliban and then I. They're not modern times with like World War I once. It's just some collector in the US would like get hard on for it, you know?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, but like, like $3 million, but dude, like buy a Laundromat, dude, like, you've. What do you want to do with all this? Here? Let me ask you this, Let me ask you this. What kind of. Because here's the thing, right? You can. You can if you. If you really want to go and like, get yourself into even more crazy trouble for money, like, whatever, but like, what do you want to do with this money, dude? Like, like, you must have an idea, because retirement, you must have an idea before you want to like go do all this crazy stuff and like make a. You have to have an idea of like, what you actually want your life day to day to look like. Like, right? And then you might find that whatever that life is does not require you to like, need 10 million fucking dollars, right? Like, you might just be like. You might be like, oh, I want to fucking go to like a. Some nice suburb of England and buy a house and live with my girlfriend and have kids and like, whatever. And you might find like, oh, actually not. Not. Not only do I not need 10, 20 million dollars from selling tanks to live this lifestyle, but actually the. The actions and the behaviors that. That go into the lifestyle that selling fucking tanks for the Taliban requires me to live actually takes me very far away from. From the lifestyle I actually want to live. Were I to sit down and think of it. And then you're doing this like weird circumventation where you're like spending time doing a bunch of crazy shit to make money to fund a lifestyle that you could just be living. Like, skip the middleman, dude. Like, just. What do you. What life do you want to live?

[Miles]

I've got to be honest. I have a nice apartment, but I'm just renting. If I own a property, it means I have to pay income tax. I don't pay income tax at the moment, but okay, I'm. I'm kind of minimalist. I actually sleep on the floor, like a pillow and a quilt. I don't really need money to be, I guess, contempt. I. I would like a nice environment, like a, Like a nice desk or something. Okay, but so then I don't really need I think I'm just gaining money for the sake of money. I used to be.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, you're.

[Miles]

I grew up very poor.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Yeah. I grew up like on. I guess the equivalent of welfare. It's all benefits in the uk. And I was. I was so poor I couldn't afford like a ds. I really wanted a DS as a kid. I never got one, like a Nintendo DS. And I. Then I was homeless at 18 because of this crappy family situation. But I think I'm just one money for that security, if that makes sense. That mental security.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But you already have it.

[Miles]

You know, I just. It just doesn't.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

But also. Yeah, but also, like, you also have to like. Like nothing's free, you know what I mean? Like, like what security are you giving up by doing this crazy stuff, you know?

[Miles]

That's a good point. I mean, I've almost been like mock. Mock executed like a few times.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, dude.

[Miles]

You know, but also at the same time, like, despite me almost being executed, I never felt more alive. I guess I'm an adrenaline junkie, you know?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, yeah, you're probably. You're an adrenaline. Listen, I'm zero. I feel like. I feel like I'm a version of an adrenaline junkie. I'm definitely not to your level of an adrenaline junkie. But I sympathize with the. The feeling and I'm telling you, and I. By the way, dude, you're kind of like. It's like. It's like Walter White. You ever seen Breaking Bad?

[Miles]

I am bolding.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, it's like Walter White. It's like. It's like the whole. The whole show, he keeps going. I'm doing this for the family. I'm selling meth for the family. I'm selling it for the family. And at the very end, Skyler, his wife is like, quit saying you're doing

[Miles]

it for the family, doing it for himself.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

He goes, he. I'm not. He goes, I did it for me. I did it because I liked it. You're doing it because you're addicted to the adrenaline of the thing. And I do say, and what I'm saying is, I see in you a guy who wants to live. I see. I see in you like half a guy who doesn't give a shit if he dies because of the. Whatever the fuck thing. I see within you a guy who doesn't give a shit if he dies, but also a guy who really wants to live. You know, you're capable of loving your girlfriend. You're capable of wanting to like a desire for new and novel experiences. And, yes, I understand that it's hard if you've lived this insane life that you've lived, to find pleasure and enjoyment in things that don't involve you almost getting fucking executed. I. I know, I know. I know how that feels. But I think. I refuse to believe that you have sentenced yourself forever to a life where you must put yourself in an insane amount of danger to feel normal. I refuse. I don't. I. I don't have. I don't have the. It's gonna. It's gonna take a longer process than just, like, this phone call to figure out what that lifestyle would look like. But I just ref. I just refuse to believe that you're now, like, sentenced to a life where you need to overthrow the government of Haiti to feel.

[Miles]

Yeah, I just seem like a problem. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I kind of guess the people around me keep egging me on a little bit, and they.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Of course. Yeah, of course.

[Miles]

I like the idea of these things. Like, if. If some. If someone made a movie about. I think it would be like. Like an aesthetic and it makes sense, like, a personality to download. But also, it's actually. I do acknowledge it is retarded. Like, a really stupid, dangerous lifestyle. But, like, I think there's a few easier ways to make a few million dollars. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's some easier way to do this.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, yeah. Like, by the way, dude, I feel like people do that. Like, okay, listen, like, just take the money you already have and, like, just do something that's less. You know,

[Miles]

I did by year.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Miles]

Well, I basically want to start as a podcast. Like, do you know this? Like, for example, I just want to go to. I guess I want to go to these interesting countries. Right. Like, the same reason you went to Iraq.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And instead of, like, doing this dangerous business where I almost get executed, I just want to sit down with, I guess, dangerous but interesting people. Just a normal conversation. And I guess do a podcast. Like, there's this one guy, he's called General but naked in Liberia, and he was a cannibal, and I. I'm being messy. My WhatsApp, he's. He seems kind of chill now. He's become a Christian. He's repented, and he's doing some good stuff now. You know, obviously, what he did, eating children's heart, that's a bit messed up. But, you know, he wants to. He wants to meet up with me, and he's a fan of me, and I Think like he could be the first podcast guy for me, you know, you can just, I can go there, I get my cameraman, we film like a two hour conversation, we get some clippers to clip the whole thing, some good editing, some good lighting. And I think if I do that across several other countries, like I've got this one North Korean diplomat in the EU who's interested and I don't know, do you think that's a good middle ground? I don't know if it's insane or not.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I actually know exactly who you're talking about because he. Have you ever seen the Book of Mormon?

[Miles]

Not the musical, no.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

The music. There's a character in the book. There's a character in the Book of Mormon called General Butt fucking Naked who's based off of General Butt Naked. I've heard of this guy before.

[Miles]

Oh, wow. Oh, yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

What do I think about that? I mean,

[Miles]

because I think you can go to any country and not have problems just as a quick tourist. Like, I've seen white women go to like Somalia and Libya. Like, you just don't arrive and like instantly die or something. Yeah, I think you just go there.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I mean, I. Here's the thing. I'd be a hypocrite if I told you to like completely stop, right? Because I, I'm. I also have a bit of a bug of like, I mean, I don't, I don't try to go out of my way to talk to dangerous people. I just try to talk to fucking whoever. But I think, I just think you should like, not try not to get too in over your head and try not to do things with this idea of like, I don't give a fuck if I die or not, you know, Fuck. It's hard for me to. Dude, it's honestly so hard for me to have this conversation with you just because, like, I, I mean I, I'm, I'm nowhere near. I don't like, I'm not into like crazy hardcore shit. But I also, I've had the same like conversations with my friends before, like going to Iraq or Ukraine where they're like, I mean, but also like, I don't know, I, but I, but I, I'm. I'm not as hard. Like, I, I wouldn't go to the front lines of Ukraine, you know, I went to Kyiv. Like.

[Miles]

Yeah, you have common sense. Yeah. Once again though, Real recognizes real

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[Gecko (Lyle)]

okay, let me ask you this though. Let me ask you this.

[Miles]

Yeah. Okay.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Just because do you have you. I want to talk about just your normal life. Like do you have friends? Right?

[Miles]

Yeah, but it's a close knit circle, if that makes sense.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Who are these friends? I would say about like do they.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And you said they.

[Miles]

Again, I don't want, well not like,

[Gecko (Lyle)]

not their like literal ideas.

[Miles]

Like where do you know two of them? I, I make up, I make up 30 of the Afghan tourism industry. So I do a bunch of tours there too. I just charge people like 3k ahead, bring them to Afghanistan in groups of 10 or so. And you know, I met a few of them and they're like minded and we just kept in contact afterwards. That's good. And I've got one friend who, who is trying to start an airline, like a shipping freight service. And he's kind of crazy too. He, it's, it's really bizarre. Like he's even crazier me in many ways. I just like, I kind of admire it to some degree. But it also scares me. Like for example, I was in Saudi Arabia under investigation. I was like arrested there and I was under surveillance clearly. But he walks into a Starbucks in Saudi Arabia and just goes, oh, hello hh Can I have the Hitler coffee? And they would just be like, oh yeah, sure. Because they're not English speakers natively and they'll just give him his coffee. But he just does that in public situations in front of anyone. He just, he's a definition of scaring the hose. But it's a really good friendship. Like he would just walk into any retail store, cafe if it's England, America, he lives in Australia or even Saudi Arabia, like it happened with us. And he would just walk in and go, hello, H.H. you know, stand for Heil. And he always goes, can I have the Hitler cappuccino? And they just wouldn't even look up. And they'll go, yeah, okay, that'll be $2 and you'll pay.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay.

[Miles]

And he does that everywhere.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, it sounds like you have it Sounds like your social circle is full of a lot of guys who like, are like edgy people who like to provoke.

[Miles]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Okay, so, yeah, it sounds like your social circle is filled with a lot of like, edgy people who like to provoke. And it sound. I would have to take a gander and say that when you say some shit like I'm thinking about starting a. A coup in Haiti, that the friend of yours who's going around, you know, saying like, fucking like doing this kind of stuff, I get the sense of that that friend is not going to respond to you by going, hmm, what. What would be best for Miles? I assume he's going to respond to you by being like, oh, that sounds awesome. Yes, please create further destruction. Please, whatever. You know, this, this does not seem like a person. I mean, I. Listen, I don't know this dude, but it strikes me that his modus operandi is provocation more than it is like. Like you, like, you gotta surround yourself with people who like, give a. About like you and your well being. Not just like, yeah, well, dudes who are like egging each other on to like do crazy.

[Miles]

It kind of starts on with that whole thing. Like when I, When I got back to my apartment a few months after my birthday, I found, you know, an item was meant to be delivered to my house. I called up the shipping people, they delivered it because I was in to receive it and it was a coffin. And I, I basically messaged the group chat saying I just received a coffin in the mail. What's this? Is this a threat? And one of my friends joked that he sent me a coffin because he's like, oh, most likely you'll die soon by, you know, your efforts. So, you know, we thought it'd be funny to send you one ahead of time. And they thought he was like super duper funny. I kind of just stared at that coffin for 10 minutes. And I also slept in it because again, it's a little bit more comfortable than the floor. It had padding. And I was like, huh, you know. You know, I don't think my friends of a super caring type. It's why I really like my girlfriend. She's a sweet and caring. Yeah, my friends sent me a coffin. Yeah, yeah.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

The guy who, the guy who goes around talking about Hitler. He doesn't sound like the sweetest guy.

[Miles]

Yeah, there's a lot I can't say about him. It's. Maybe I'll tell you privately someday.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Well, okay, let me.

[Miles]

Yeah, okay.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

What's your. What's your relationship like with your parents? You have family at least. Like, you got, like, do you have any, like. Yeah.

[Miles]

Oh, this is gonna be, this is gonna be very telling. Oh, this could be very. I kind of hope this one to come up. You don't have kids, so, you know.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

No, if you don't want to.

[Miles]

I, I like, I want to be open, you know, I'll be honest because what's the point of, you know, not being honest with therapist, right?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Because you're like, by the way, by the way, I'm not a real therapist. I'm sure you know that.

[Miles]

Next thing you, next thing you got to tell me is, you know, gecko, you're crazy. But anyway, I'm an IVF kid, so, you know, I, I don't know my real father. You know, no record, no DNA tests. Why. But there's no laws where I can find out. It's a complete anonymous donation, right? And then my mother, she. She wasn't the best. She had some sort of depression, some anger disorders. So I was basically. And also an alcoholic. So I was left to my own devices most of the time. I was a very goody two shoes kid. Like I was that kid who used to do all the homework and do the extra stuff. And you know, I was, I was like a, like a straight, a goody two to goody two shoes students. Like never, never, like, never got detention. The only trip I got into. I denied the Holocaust once. Long story, but. And then suddenly I, I don't know, I get to 18 years old and you know, there's been so many incidents with my mother and the police because, you know, she's quite literally a crazy alcoholic. So at the age of 18, I secretly apply to university. I get in EM, and I just leave in the middle of the night when she's drunk sleeping on the settee. And I just walk out. I put my key through the letterbox, I throw my SIM card away, put a new one in, changed my email and you know, never contacted her since she got my number somehow I don't know how she managed to, but obviously I never answered. I just got a bunch of drunken voice messages throughout the years. And then one day they just stopped as well. And then the last voice message I heard from her that she was living my auntie, who's also an alcoholic, and she was almost homeless too. But my. My idea was, seems like not the best person, you know, still my mother, but not the best. But also, you know, I can't fix that. And at the same Time if she doesn't want to help herself at the age of like 70, you know.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

So wait, I'm. I'm sorry if I didn't catch it. So your mom was. So you were an IVF baby, as in like your mom had you, like as a single mom?

[Miles]

She was in a. She's in relationship with a man and then that man went to China for business and then he got hit by a bus and died. Okay. So she was getting to like 40 years old and then she wanted a baby, so she went through IVF and then she had me. And at the time it was free because it was like the 90s, so I think it was like a semi new technology then.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You never had a.

[Miles]

For it.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You never had a father?

[Miles]

No. Okay.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Do you have siblings or anyone?

[Miles]

No. No. Well, from a DNA test, technically two half sisters, but I don't know them. I don't know how to know them. It's just on a piece of paperwork basically. But yeah, there's no way to contact them, so it's just me and the Taliban, I guess

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I feel. You know what, it's funny. I mean, I don't know, it's not funny, but it's like, I mean, that's a class. That's like a classic story. I mean, that's how people join like terrorist groups and gangs. Is like they don't have anyone else.

[Miles]

Oh, I never thought of it like that. That's quite a unique perspective. Maybe a common sense perspective. And I just. Yeah, I see. Well, I don't. I haven't joined the Taliban or anything. I'm a strict Catholic. I even. I even get into like religious debates with them. I just see the country has high barriers to entry because no one is stupid enough to do business there. And. Yeah, and just, you know, they have a ruling people there, so you just have to deal with them.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

So. So. Okay, and then what's your. All right, all right. Miles, Miles, Miles, Miles.

[Miles]

Yes?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Do you want. Do you want my advice?

[Miles]

Of course.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I mean, I guess I've been giving

[Miles]

you advice already, but like, be honest with me. Be honest.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

If you want to be honest. Okay. If you want to be brutally honest with you. I think that. Okay, my, my perspective is. I think you are surrounding yourself with a lot of like, like edgy, 4chany right wing provocateur, like crazy people who probably don't have your like, best interests in mind. And that's probably rubbing off on you. And you're probably attracted to this because it's like after a Lifetime of like not having like fitting in anywhere. Maybe you found a place that you can fit in among like the Taliban or among this crowd. And like, I think that that crowd and that these things are just like leading you down a life where you're making more destructive decisions. And you clearly wouldn't be like talking. We wouldn't be having this conversation for so long if you weren't in some period of reflection as to whether or not these decisions were the best decisions for you. And so I kind of think that there is a way, I believe, I don't know what exactly it is, but there's probably a way for you to a most importantly, find a community of people who actually have your best interests in mind. Dude, you're Christian. Yeah, dude, Go join. Dude, join a church. Like seriously, go join. Go join like a normal ass church. You should go join a normal ass. You should find a place where. You should find a place in the world that you want to live, that you want to have a family, that you want to have friends, that you want to have a community. Find a place in the world that you want to live. Go join a church. Not a crazy ass church, just a normal Church where 26 years in New York City. I was at some, I did. I. My friend took me there because she's a member. I just went randomly. The movement church or some whatever. There's all these churches where there's like people our age just hanging out, being normal. It'll. It'll be an adjustment for you for a lot of reasons. But like, just find a fucking church where you can just like be around like regular ass people and be a part of a community, you know, and well do that. And then like see if you can make friends with people and find a community where you feel like people have people really have your back and they're not just like around you because you are also a provocateur on the level that they are. Like, you just. You want to find your real friends, dude, because that's, that's what's going to help you make good this better decisions, I guess.

[Miles]

So go to a small town, join a church with young people and then just become regulars. Well, you go to London. I'm a town guy, I'm a village guy, you know, I want to go to London. That's dangerous. But yeah, I guess go to a bunch of institutions, local businesses become regulars. Strike up conversations.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Be a regular somewhere. Be just. And just be. And then just like, dude, try to enjoy just being a Normal fucking guy. There's a lot to enjoy.

[Miles]

I mean, I know it sounds insane, but I'm always doing so many projects and at the same time, I just. I just. I just can't slow down if that makes sense. Like, I.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Makes perfect sense. I see. You don't have to.

[Miles]

Yeah, it's like imagine you don't have to.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You know, this is. You don't. You don't have to absolutely abandon your projects, but you definitely need some balance, you know, like, like, just. But like, you got to find some balance, dude. Like, you can still like, like, if you really want to fucking do, like, your. Your. Your wild form of journalism. I'd be a hypocrite to tell you not to, but I can tell you I'd be a hypocrite to tell you not to, but I'm telling you from experience that you need to find a balance to it because you're. Because you can't. Just like, I went to Ukraine, but then I came back and I'm like, in New York and I have a community of people and I'm like, have a nor. I have a version of normal life to plant my feet on the ground. And I tried to do that really, intentionally. That is what I.

[Miles]

How do you find a balance? Like, how did you, like, hang up the mask when you get home?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

You know, I joined. I joined the co Working space in New York that I go to to like, edit videos and stuff, and I made a bunch of friends there.

[Miles]

Oh, that sounds good, actually.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah. So, like, you should find your version of like a community. Just something where people don't know you as like, Lord Miles, the crazy YouTuber. They just know you as Miles and you're just like some. You're just like a guy, you know? And like, it's. I bring up church because church is where I think a lot is. Seems like it. If you told me you played pickleball, I tell you to join a pickleball place. But, like, just finding I'm not.

[Miles]

That I'm noble. Yeah,

[Gecko (Lyle)]

but just like. And then, like. And then like on the. And then like when on the side, you can go on your crazy missions, but, like, if all you're doing is these crazy missions, you're just. You're just gonna fling yourself into outer space so far that your head's going to be spinning around and you won't know where to, you know? Look, and I. It's just. It's. It's just too much, man.

[Miles]

Yeah, that's true. I guess I should band out I guess what I'll do is I'll move to a community. I'm always in the country, but I'll try and stick around a little bit more. And then what I'll do is I'll also do the podcast, I guess, because that allow me to transition to something else, if that makes sense, whilst, you know, still giving myself enough, I guess, all the adrenaline brush.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

And also, like, just, you know, also, like the. Yeah, like, also, like, the people who are around you, like, walking around trying to find every reason to, like, piss other people off, even if they're your boys. It's like, you got to really take a second to evaluate and go, like, is this person. Is being around this guy, like, leading me closer to the life I want? Like, do I believe that this is, like, you know what I mean? And. And don't. Don't have a scarcity mindset when it comes to other people. Like, there's. There's. There's a lot of people on the planet that you haven't met that will change your perspective and. And add to your life. So if this, like.

[Miles]

Yeah, if the people.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

If the people around you who are, like, sending you a coffin and, like, joking about you dying and, like, all this, like. Like. Like take a second to evaluate if those are the folks you. That'll kind of get you to where you want to be in life, you know?

[Miles]

Yeah, true. It was a nice coffin, but not right now. There was one friend she kept. She basically kept, like, crying on the phone sometimes and cried once when we met up. And she was kind of worried about me saying, oh, you know, I'm worried something's gonna happen to you, so on and so forth. And I used to always think that she was trying to hold me back a little bit, or she just didn't understand because she's very poor herself and, you know, life hasn't gone too well for her, and she's making own mistakes, I recognize, but for some reason, she can't. But then I realized she's actually probably one of the few people that care. And she said the same things that you've said. Yeah, but I didn't listen to her because she's not a wise gecko, you know.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Again, I'd be a hypocrite to tell you to stop going on your crazy adventures, because I also go on crazy adventures. But, like, have some common sense.

[Miles]

Yeah. Well, I guess this school has been the crazy adventure.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Well, Miles. Miles, thanks. Thanks. Thanks for being honest with me. Thanks for being vulnerable. Thanks for putting yourself out There. I appreciate it. I hope you end up doing, you know, something that makes you feel like a normal human.

[Miles]

Yeah. Not. Not Taliban or terrorist or.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Yeah, that's too much.

[Miles]

Good point.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Too much, man. It's too much.

[Miles]

You know what? I guess that begins with getting rid of some of my weird possessions. On an unrelated note, do you have a P.O. box?

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I don't have a P.O. box, but

[Miles]

send me. Send me a. Send me a random address. I'm going to send you something to say thank you. It's not something illegal, I guess. Too hostgiving.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I'll think about it, man. I'll think about it. I'll think about it.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I'll think about it. Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

[Miles]

I guess, you know, just live. Love. Love. I guess that's one of my famous quotes. And, you know, I don't know. I don't know what else I could say. I guess I think of. I think I've said too much. That's quite all right. No, I just want to say thank you. By the way, you actually. You actually a very good counselor. Very good stuff.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Good man.

[Miles]

Thank you.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

Thank you, Miles. I appreciate you, man. Have a good rest of the day.

[Miles]

I will do. God bless you. Bye. Bye.

[Gecko (Lyle)]

I'll see you too, man. Take care. Oh, man. That was Miles. That was. That was definitely one of the more wild conversations that we have had in therapy Gecko history. But I stand by. I stand by it. I stand by it. I hope Miles makes good decisions. I mean, I like going on crazy. I'm not. I don't. I don't do business with the Taliban or interview cannibals or anything like that, but I like. I like, you know, going on crazy adventures and stuff. And I. And I know what it feels like to get addicted to it. But once you start being like, I'm ready to die is when things become too much. And I also think you gotta develop a form of normal life to fall back on, because if all you have is your craziness, you will feel like you are floating through outer space. So I hope Miles makes the right decisions and finds some form of peace for himself. And yeah, that's been. That's been the therapy Gecko podcast. Thanks for listening. Shoot me a comment on the Spotify comments. I want to know what people thought of this conversation. I am very curious what people thought of this conversation. So if you listened, if you learned, if you were here, write a comment on Spotify. My name is Lyle. I'M a gecko. Please go to therapygeckotour.com right now. I am traversing the universe this year to tell stories and do therapy gecko stuff across the planet of America and three Canadian cities. Therapygecko tour.com or check the link in the episode description. I'm Lyle. I'm a gecko. Thanks for listening and Geck. Bless.

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