I RECORDED THIS EPISODE IN A PARKING LOT AND I THINK IT WENT WELL

Summary

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Therapy Gecko – “I RECORDED THIS EPISODE IN A PARKING LOT AND I THINK IT WENT WELL”

Podcast: Therapy Gecko
Host: Lyle (the Gecko)
Date: May 10, 2026
Episode Description: Recording from the backseat of his car in an LA parking lot, Lyle takes calls from strangers to discuss life’s random quirks, anxieties, relationships, cultural dynamics, and cities—all with his signature blend of openness, humor, and existential wonder.

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Episode Overview

Lyle records this playful, free-form Therapy Gecko episode from the backseat of his car in a Ross Dress for Less parking lot in Los Angeles, with a Blue Yeti mic on his stomach and a mobile hotspot for Wi-Fi. He chats with callers "Noah" and "Kevin," tackling everything from social smoking and weed anxiety to intergenerational dating, cultural identity, love, car accidents, and the existential weirdness of LA and American infrastructure.

Throughout, the show is suffused with trademark humor, self-deprecation, and surprisingly sincere nuggets about how to suffer and thrive in modern life.

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Lyle’s Parking Lot Setup: Existential Gecko Realness

[02:16–04:41]

• Lyle explains he’s recording this episode parked outside a Ross, after getting kicked out of his hotel, prepping to catch a plane.
• He describes being blocked in by a shopping cart, as people come and go around him, relishing the weird serenity of parking lot life.
• “I got a Blue Yeti microphone resting on my stomach. Like it’s a table. I’m just in the backseat of my car...” — Lyle [02:17]
• Relates to Jack Kerouac but asserts: “Jack Kerouac was doing way cooler things than procrastinating in the backseat of a Ross Dress for Less.” [03:37]

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Smoking, Weed Anxiety, and Panic Attacks: A Gecko’s Guide to Self-Regulation

[05:10–10:37]

On Social Smoking:

• Lyle admits he never buys his own cigarettes but smokes socially if offered—“a party environment” only.
• Noah echoes—it’s all about the “presence” and connection.

Weed Anxieties & Rituals:

• Both Lyle and Noah share how weed can unexpectedly induce panic.
• Lyle’s pseudo-scientific formula: never smoke before work or in unpredictable social spaces; only indulge late at night, in safe, trusted environments.
• “If I do it late at night, either alone or around people I really, really trust and feel comfortable with... it's almost always good.” — Lyle [07:36]

On Managing Public Anxiety:

• Lyle offers a real-time technique: decide, in any moment, not to care what people think.
• “Sometimes I can just decide that I don’t have to care about anything...” — Lyle [09:35]
• Noah reflects, “It's almost like that philosophy in life where you can choose what makes you upset... but you have to remember it, which is tough.” [10:01]

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On Annoyance and How to Be (and Tolerate) People

[10:44–12:59]

• Noah: “There’s 1 million worse things to be than annoying.” [10:44]
• Group agrees: better to be “annoying” than malicious or hurtful.
• Lyle: “We all know people who are dicks. And then we all know people who are just, like, this guy’s kind of annoying... I will die on the hill, I don't think being annoying is that bad.” [11:22]

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Noah’s Love Life: Generational Gaps, Expectations, and ‘Day By Day’ Love

[13:29–21:25]

• Noah, 19, shares his excitement after connecting romantically with a 25-year-old woman from his ethnic community—framed almost like a literary coming-of-age story.
• Lyle encourages enjoying the present, “Fucking, if you’re with a lady that you like... there’s no such thing as a relationship with zero problems... Just enjoy it. Just enjoy life.” [15:17]
• Noah describes his philosophy: treat love like recovery—“You take it one day at a time... you put too many expectations and you’re bound to fail.” [15:59]
• Lyle muses on the tension: “Commitment requires you to not take things day by day—in some sense. But your day to day isn’t always going to feel right, so you need a little discipline too.” [16:25–18:45]
• Both acknowledge their respective places in life: Noah’s at the start, the woman is thinking about settling, and they’re navigating openly.
• “It’s almost poetic.” — Noah [20:02]
• Lyle, appreciating honesty: “Life’s happiest when it has challenges, but I don’t like when it has tensions.” [21:33]

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Community, Identity, and the Dynamics of Utah’s Filipino Community

[25:33–29:55]

• Noah reveals he’s Filipino in Utah, where his ethnic community is small, tight-knit.
• “People that you’re not related to—your cousin type shit.”
• “Tita” and “Tito” (aunt and uncle)—explaining kinship terms and deep social ties.
• Brief discussion about being non-white, non-Mormon in Utah and feeling the outsider.
• Noah unpacks the long shadow of Mormon Church racial history (e.g., “God changed His mind about Black people in 1978”—a fact referenced in the Book of Mormon musical). [27:00]
• The social advantage of being white and Mormon—the sense of exclusion for others.

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Noah’s Academic and Career Ambitions

[30:26–31:49]

• Triple major: French, Political Science, Ethnic Studies, aiming for law school.
• Wants to do immigration law—a nod to family’s immigrant background.
• Lyle: “You sound very smart. I think you’re gonna be a good lawyer.” [30:55]

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Goodbye to Noah: Community, Advice, and an Invitation to the Philippines

[32:00–34:56]

• Noah praises Lyle’s “grassroots” wisdom—“You're just a real ass dude working with real things.” [32:12]
• Both share fuzzy, affirming send-offs (“You’re like a ball of pure light.” “You’re like a ball of green light.”) [32:59–33:20]
• Quick exchange on travel to the Philippines: Lyle jokes about the weather; Noah recommends December, especially for Christmas traditions. “Their Christmas celebrations start in September!” [34:33]

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Kevin’s Story: Live Show Recap, Car Accidents, and American Car Culture

[40:36–66:17]

On Attending Lyle’s LA Show

[43:08–44:19]

• Kevin attended Lyle’s live show in LA, dragging his girlfriend, both enjoying the weirdness.
• Lyle asks for description of two particularly wild live show guests: “Concussed.” — Kevin [44:34]

Kevin’s Car Accident(s)

• Kevin, a resident doctor, fell asleep after a long shift, rear-ended a parked Tesla (“like 25 mph”), airbags deployed, car totaled. [45:07–46:30]
• The Tesla hit the car in front, raising Kevin’s anxiety about insurance and liability—“Am I gonna get financially ruined from this?” [47:04]
• Kevin’s sleep-deprived state meant he was up for 36 hours straight, emotionally and physically exhausted post-accident. [48:55–49:18]
• This isn’t Kevin’s first car mishap; he recounts a similar event from several years ago, involving borrowed (uninsured) car, a missed drug test for a med job (“it was a mess”). [50:03–51:30]

Rants on LA, American Car Culture, Walkability

• Both Lyle and Kevin bemoan living in LA: sprawling, car-dominated, expensive, “objectively a horrific place to live.” [52:41–53:08]
• “It’s a mission, coordinate plans for everything. Dude, what if I just want to see a friend?” — Kevin [53:00]
• Lyle rails against poorly designed streets, convoluted driving, endless costs (“$200 and five hours to park and eat lunch”). [53:08]
• LA’s structure tied to capitalism, car companies’ lobbying, and the invention of suburbs, which destroyed prior public transportation structures. [55:17–56:50]
• Lyle’s yearning for walkable cities—“the more I feel, the more I’m like, no, we want to live in proximity to our people and the grocery store should be a walk away.” [57:40]

Cities with Seasons: Chicago vs. LA

[60:12–65:17]

• Kevin, originally from Chicago, praises its walkability and public transit.
• “Chicago might be the best city in America.” — Lyle [60:57]
• Both riff on weather: enduring brutal winters builds resilience, makes spring feel like “rising like a phoenix from the ashes.”
• “You need several points where you think you can’t do it anymore and then... life is awesome.” — Lyle [63:39]
• “It builds resilience, character... it just always is [in LA], just always is.” — Kevin [62:57–63:10]

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On Travel and Cultural Observation: Japan as Utopia

[71:11–76:00]

• Kevin chats about his solo trip to Japan, coming off a breakup. Profoundly positive experience.
• Lyle: “If a utopian society is one where everything works, then Japan is a utopia. The idea of an objectively correctly functioning reality is most alive in Tokyo.” [72:24]
• Kevin: “To show that you respect yourself, you have to respect everything around you... society is bigger than you are, so you have to contribute meaningfully.” [75:29]
• Shared appreciation for experiencing other cultures with humility and research, not expecting to be ‘served everything on a platter’.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “There’s 1 million worse things to be than annoying.” — Noah [10:44]
• “Sometimes I can just decide that I don’t have to care about anything.” — Lyle [09:35]
• “I will die on the hill—I don’t think being annoying is that bad.” — Lyle [11:22]
• “You take love day by day... If you put too many expectations, you’re bound to fail.” — Noah [15:59]
• “Commitment requires that you not take things day by day—in a sense... but what about discipline?” — Lyle [16:25]
• “It’s all over and we’re so back. Just keep going.” — Lyle [65:18]
• “You're like a ball of pure light... Just keep going, man.” — Lyle [32:59]
• “Ross Dress for Less near Los Angeles airport—that is where I am.” — Lyle [51:40]
• “Gas is $7 a gallon.” — Lyle [66:06]
• “Chicago might be the best city in America.” — Lyle [60:57]
• “To show that you respect yourself, you have to respect everything around you... society is a bigger thing than you are.” — Kevin [75:29]
• “Come to a live show. geck bless.” — Lyle [78:29]

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Episode Flow & Tone

• Conversational, disarmingly honest, meandering but reflective.
• Deep dives veer into sudden humor, meta-therapy, stories of embarrassment, urban frustration, and small joys.
• Lyle’s tone: self-aware, playful, candidly neurotic, supportive of callers’ vulnerability and weirdness.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Gecko in the Parking Lot Intro | 02:16–04:41 | | Weed, Panic Attacks & Self-Help Techniques | 05:10–10:37 | | On Annoyance vs Malice | 10:44–12:59 | | Noah’s Relationship Story & Day-By-Day Philosophy | 13:29–21:25 | | Cultural Identity, Filipino Community in Utah, Mormonism | 25:33–29:55 | | Kevin’s Car Accident & LA Show Review | 40:36–49:18 | | LA Rants & American Car Culture | 52:41–57:40 | | Chicago vs LA: Walking, Seasons, Resilience | 60:12–65:17 | | Travel Reflections: Japan & Societal Functionality | 71:11–76:00 | | Closing Affirmations & Final Gecko Wisdom | 76:22–78:29 |

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Final Thoughts

This episode captures Therapy Gecko at its quirky best: part philosophical group chat, part supportive therapy, part urban exorcism from a hot parking lot. Lyle turns everyday weirdness into existential wisdom, makes space for big feelings, and reaffirms the odd kinship of strangers.

“It’s all over and we’re so back. Just keep going.”

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Transcript

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[Noah]

no way right now.

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Hello?

[Noah]

Oh my God. Oh my God.

[Kevin]

This is.

[Noah]

This is Lyle.

[Lyle]

What's up dude?

[Noah]

How are you?

[Lyle]

How's it going? I'm okay. I'm in the. All right, all right. I. Here's the thing. I'm so. I'm in Los Angeles. I did a show here the other day, and I have been. I've been working on videos. I've been doing stuff, and I just, like, I got. And I. My. The checkout of my hotel. All right. I'm in the parking lot of a Ross Dress for Less, sitting in the backseat of my car, because I need to record this podcast before I get on a plane. And honestly, I feel pretty. I got the air conditioning on. I have. I don't. I don't have WI fi. So I got the fucking. I. I'm doing. Have you ever done the. The mobile hotspot where you. Yeah, so I got the hotspot. I'm holding my. I got a blue yeti microphone resting on my stomach. Like it's a table. Like it's a table. And I'm just in the backseat of my car. I'm, like, in. I'm literally just. There's a fucking shopping cart, like, directly to my left, blocking my ability to get out. I have. I'm gonna have to. When this is. When I'm done recording this show, I'm gonna have to, like, crawl into the front seat of the car and get out that way.

[Noah]

So this is some Jack Kerouac shit.

[Lyle]

No, Jack Kerouac's life. No. Jack Kerouac was doing way cooler things than. Than procrastinating his work in the backseat of a fucking. In a raw. Stress for less. I mean, I can tell you what I'm seeing. This is. It's kind of nice, actually. Weirdly. I don't know why. It's. It feels like it's dynamic, you know, there's people all around me. There's trees. I. Have you ever been to Los Angeles?

[Kevin]

No, never.

[Noah]

But I want to go.

[Lyle]

It's an objectively terror. Oh, God, there's a parking attendant coming. Wait, hold on. His name is Brian. He works for Trader Joe's. Okay. He. Okay. He just. Holy shit. He literally just ignored me, took the shopping cart, and is now bringing it back to the cart return.

[Kevin]

You're saved.

[Lyle]

Yeah. So I can get out this way now. He just ignored.

[Ad Voice]

He just.

[Lyle]

We didn't even make eye contact. He just. Bring it back to the return. There's a car next to me with all the. That's stopped and parked. There's four people sitting in it. They have the windows. They have the doors open, and they're smoking. I'm gonna assume they're smoking weed. I don't think People don't really smoke. Yeah, it's California, and people don't really smoke weed in cars. I mean, I'm sorry. People don't really smoke cigs in cars.

[Kevin]

You like cigarettes?

[Lyle]

Do I like cigarettes? I like a cigarette if I'm. I. Okay, here's where I am at with cigarettes is I've never in my life bought a pack of cigarettes. I don't think I ever will. But if I'm standing around some whatever, especially, like, you know, if it's a party environment, if I've had a drink or two and somebody offers me a cigarette, I'll have a cigarette. But I don't. I don't go out of my way for them. Do you. Do you smoke cigarettes?

[Noah]

That's a good question. Well, yeah, but similar thing. For me, it's like a social thing, you know, when you're out with people, it's the presence of it. It's like a connective activity.

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, weed is like that too, but. Do you smoke weed?

[Noah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not as much, but I do.

[Lyle]

Yeah. Does it make you. I. Dude, I have this recurring cycle where, like, I think weed just gives me this crazy anxiety and it gives. Makes me, like, have panic attacks and shit. But I still do it because. Because four out of every five times I smoke it. I don't have a panic attack. And it's chill, Correct?

[Noah]

Yes. No, that's the same for me. It's like. It's weird. It's like you tell yourself this time will be different, and it ends up when it's different. It, like, reifies your preconceived notions.

[Lyle]

Right?

[Noah]

Then when it makes you have a panic attack, you're like, I'm never doing this again.

[Lyle]

Right?

[Noah]

And you do it again.

[Lyle]

But, dude, I don't know about you, but I have, okay, I've determined certain formulas with it. Maybe this could be how. I know a lot of our listeners smoke weed, so maybe this could be helpful to them. I've determined a formula for it, which is like, there's a lot of variables as to whether or not I'll have a panic attack. And I. Okay, for me, it's like, never during the day, if I always. I. And I make this mistake all the time. Like, I'll get high before I go to the airport, or I'll get high before I go grocery shopping. Like, it's the classic trap of like, oh, I'll get high and then I'll do this and every time. Or like, oh, I'll get high before I work. Every time it ends up bad. Every time it ends up bad, I'm not able to do the shit that I need to do. But if I do it late at night, you know, preferably either alone or around people that I really, really, really trust and feel comfortable with, and I'm in, like, a controlled environment, I don't have to go anywhere. I don't have to do anything. I don't have to talk to anyone and it's the end of the night. I don't have any work to do. I don't have any, like, calls out of nothing. It's almost always good. The panic attacks happen when I'm like, yo, before we go to the movies, it'd be so. It'd be awesome to smoke, yo, before we go to the fucking laser tag or whatever. Whatever it is you're doing, right? It's like, I don't. I don't remember last time I went laser tag, but you know what I mean? Like, before you, like, oh, we're at the lake house, like, let's smoke weed. You know, whatever it is. Like, whatever it is. Like, if you're in, like, a social situation or a thing where it's like, oh, it's like, oh, before we go on a hike, let's, you know, go smoke. Like, any of that kind of shit, it always ends up bad. It always ends up bad.

[Noah]

Yeah, no, it. Like, for me, I feel like it has to be a spontaneous thing. Like, been the best for me. It's like, I'm going to bed. I might as well take a gummy, you know, versus, like, all right, this out. People gotta be here. I gotta do it for this event. And it puts expectations, and that's what brings down the experience. You do, dude.

[Lyle]

So I was at the airport the other day, and I got high before going into the airport, and that was a bad idea because there was, like. I was walking around, I didn't know where the security line was, and I just kind of saw. I just kind of like started going into the forest first. I saw this lane that had attendants on it. And I was like, okay, this seems like a security line. And I walk into it, and the two attendants, they, like, look at me for a second. And we stand there for, like, a good, like, count to three. And then they look at me and they're like, special needs. And I realized this. I realized I accidentally went into, like, the special needs security line without. Without realizing it. And I was like, oh, okay. I just walked away. I. Here's. You know what, by the way. Okay, here's another panic attack tip for anyone who has it. Maybe this could help you. Okay, so this I've decided, like, if I'm having a pain, if I'm freaking out, especially if it's, like, I'm in public and I'm, like, feeling weird, I. I do have this thing where I can make myself think that I can't do this on command all the time, but sometimes I can. I can just decide in any moment that I don't have to care about anything.

[Noah]

Yeah, I've noticed that.

[Kevin]

It's. It's like.

[Noah]

It's almost like that philosophy in life where, like, you can just choose what makes you upset. And in those moments, it's hard, but you can just be like, oh, I'm not freaking out. Like, I choose to be fine. But you have to, like, remember it, which is tough.

[Lyle]

Yes. Also. Also, it's like. Cause, like, all right, so I'm in the air. Like, you're in the airport. You have a panic attack. Oh, God, I look weird. I'm, like, messing with the flow of the traffic. I'm going to the wrong line. I'm, you know, whatever. And I've just decided, like, okay, so I'm a fucking weird, crazy person. First of all. No one's looking at me. No one cares. Also, I keep coming back to this. Being kind of, like, being, like, weird

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or awkward is not the end of the world.

[Lyle]

So, yeah, I'm just like, all right, I went into the wrong thing. Yeah, go ahead.

[Noah]

Yeah, sorry. Something you've said actually has really stuck with me, which is like, there's 1 million worse things to be than annoying.

[Lyle]

Oh, yes.

[Kevin]

Sorry.

[Noah]

Kind of off topic, but, like, no, this is like, I have some family. You say, what?

[Lyle]

Oh, I said there's no topic. Go off. Go anywhere. This is a free. Free.

[Noah]

Free play indeed. Yeah, but it's like, I got. I got family, you know, you can't choose your family. And, like, they're annoying. They're my age. And I realized, like, being annoyed is so much better than being vindictive or having malice, anything like that. And it's like, you can just choose to ignore that. You know what I mean?

[Lyle]

Yes, yes, totally. 100%. No, I agree. I think being. Because we all know people who are like. Because we all know people who are dicks. And then we all know people who are just, like, this guy's kind of annoying. I don't really want to be around him, but, like, you can. Like, he's not malicious or hostile. And I just. I don't. I truly. I will die on the hill. I don't think being annoying is that bad. Compared to all the things that there are to be.

[Noah]

Yes. Yeah. No, and I. I agree fully. I think that there's. It's like what we were saying about. You can choose what bothers you. You can choose to tune out the annoying dude. You know, it's hard to tune out someone who's actively being malicious, actively being a dick. But it's so much easier to be like, this is annoying. I'm going to choose to just not let it get to me.

[Lyle]

What's your name?

[Noah]

My name's Noah.

[Lyle]

Noah. I like you, Noah. You're a good guy, I assume. And it's okay. If not, we can totally just keep going. There's a mattress firm. Do people go, like, when's the last time you bought a mattress,

[Noah]

dude? I was like, 12.

[Lyle]

This is not an ad for purple mattress. But I. I keep seeing the purple mattress and it looks cool. I want to try it.

[Noah]

Yeah, that's. I think it's a marketing thing because it's unique and it's a little bit aberrant. And so you're like, huh, that draws my attention.

[Lyle]

Yeah, that's fucking genius. That some guy was just like, yo, what if we made it purple?

[Noah]

Oh, I mean, that's your appeal. Like, what if I made. You know,

[Lyle]

you're totally. You're 100% correct. You're 100% correct. I look, I very accidentally, I looked at the giant landscape of white guy podcasters with beards, and I was like, what if I make it green instead

[Noah]

and it's successful?

[Lyle]

Okay, Noah, you. Yeah, well, okay. I wanted to ask you, was there something in particular you wanted to talk about? It's okay. If not, we can just keep. I can keep talking about this park or not.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Well, crazy time in my life. So I'm 19 and I successfully bagged a 25 year old.

[Lyle]

Well, dude, you're 19, I would have thought you. You sound like. Like, you sound like you're my age, man. Okay, you bagged. How. How old?

[Noah]

25.

[Lyle]

Okay. How'd you guys meet?

[Noah]

So let's see about identifying. Too many factors. I'm part of, like, an ethnic community in a majority white state. And so you find each other and you form these strong connections. It's really small melting pot, if you will. And I've been seeing her go to these things for years and years, and she's always been, like, in a literary sense, like the object of desire, you know, kind of like in a funny bit, because she's so much older than me. A few weeks ago, going to this party, hanging out with her. I get her number, we start chatting, you know, I join a group, like a ethnic dance group, cultural dance group. She's there every week and every night we're up until 12 in the morning, texting, hanging out. We're going to get coffee last night, take her to a nice dinner. I go to the park, you know, I tell her how I feel and you know, it worked out, so I'm honestly in ecstasy right now.

[Lyle]

Whoa. Interesting. Okay, okay. So you told her how you feel? It sounds. It sounds romantic. That sounds romantic. Is this your first, like. Is your first, like, girlfriend?

[Noah]

No. So I actually have had one long term relationship, few different flings and whatnot. She's not my girlfriend yet, but we're just hanging out.

[Lyle]

Okay. Nice, man.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

I mean, shit, dude. Fucking. If you're with a lady that you like and there doesn't appear to be any like glaring problems, I mean, glare, there's no such thing as a relationship with zero problems whatsoever. 100%. But I mean, shit, man, when you're in the early stages of something and you're just like chilling and enjoying being with each other, it's, you know, it's nice, dude, just to get. Enjoy it. Yeah, just enjoy it. Just enjoy life. Just enjoy life.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

What it. What is this? Oh, go ahead.

[Noah]

No, you go ahead.

[Kevin]

I'm sist.

[Lyle]

No, I was just gonna keep. You sounded like you had something you wanted to say. I want to hear it.

[Noah]

All right, but there's. There's something that. Oh, was I gonna say? Oh, yeah. There is like a driving force behind how I see love is kind of like a recovering addict. You take it one day at a time. You put too many expectations and you're bound to fail. You take every day and you go, do I love this person? Do I want to be with this person? What does today look like? In my experience, it's led to a much more fruitful bond between people.

[Lyle]

Interesting. You know, it's interesting because I'm still trying to figure this out because I, on one hand, I do believe with love, it's like you take it day by day. But there's. But there's also the idea of like commitment. And I feel like, you know, commitment requires you to actually not take things day by day in some sense. Because if you take. Because if you're like fully committed to something, then you really. You kind of can't take it day by day because you might wake up one day and be like, today. I don't really like this person, I don't really like this life. I'm not really interested in this. But, you know, you have the committed factor, especially if, like, you have fucking kids or, you know, you're married or whatever. Like, the commitment aspect of it almost makes it so that you can't take it day by day. And I don't. Dude, I don't have an answer to that question. Right. Because I do think. Yeah, but, but also. But like, if you take shit year by year or whatever, like, you know, commitment is kind of almost commitment is like, there for. As like a little bed of, like, foundation of a thing. Because if you take shit, because you might take shit day by day. Like, let's say you're with someone, you have problems, really fucking frustrated. And like, in that moment, you're just like, oh, fuck, I can't. I can't do this. I can't handle this anymore. I'm really debating whether or not that moment is trying to tell you something or. There's a guy who's. There's a guy who's right outside of my window who is staring at me in like, a. This guy is recording a podcast in the backseat of his car and the raw Stress for less kind of a way. He's got a yellow Watch on.

[Noah]

Yellow SpongeBob watch.

[Lyle]

That'd be awesome. If this guy. If this guy had a spongebob watch, I would talk to him. But no, he does. I don't think he wants to talk to me. Maybe I should interview people and maybe after you, I'll just interview people in the Ross dress for less. Hey, you want to do. I'm doing a podcast in my. I just roll up. I'm like, hey, I'm recording a podcast in my car. Get in.

[Noah]

Dude, I. I lowkey, really? With your IRL podcast. So you should do that.

[Lyle]

I do want to do more. I do want to do more of the IRL shit. Okay. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway, yeah, the commitment thing kind of keeps you going because, like, the day to day of certain things can sign, like, you're never gonna have. Like. And again, dude, this is something. I swear, this is not, like, advice I'm giving out on the show because it's just something I'm, like, trying to figure out in my own life. Still is the thing of, like, over the long haul, like, like, how much. How much of your life should be run by, like, discipline and commitment and this kind of rigidity, because that's what kind of keeps you. Because your day to day, especially if you're like, someone like me, who's just, like, fucking, like, ADHD and crazy. It's like, you have your good days, you have your bad days. You have days where you're like, I don't wanna fucking do this anymore. And you have days where you're like, oh, this is all I want to do. This is the only. You know. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't have an answer to that. But. But anyway, all that's to say. All that's to say, you should enjoy. I mean, for you, like, you know, you're not. You don't seem like you're at a point where you're making, like, crazy serious life decisions or whatnot. You're just, like, kind of dicking around, like, hanging around for you, just. Yeah, yeah, for you. Just enjoy the moment, man, and you should totally enjoy the day.

[Noah]

Her and I spoke about this yesterday, actually, because she's at a point in her life where she's a career woman, no kids, to quote childish Gambino, and she wants to kind of settle down, find a husband, buy a home, you know, that type of thing, raise a family. And I'm just starting out. Right, Right. But there's kind of a beauty in this amorphous space we occupy where there's, like, a mutual attraction and a mutual understanding that's pushing us to take it slow and kind of exploratory, even though we're at different points in our lives. I think it's almost poetic.

[Lyle]

Interesting. Is. Now, do. Are you guys going? Does she know that you're like. I mean, I. I don't. I mean, I don't know what you want to do with your life, but, like. Or does she know that, like, you're. I mean, are. Do you. Would. Do you want to do that stuff with her?

[Kevin]

I don't know.

[Noah]

And. And that's where the. Take it day by day comes in, you know, like, okay, I'll continue to hang out with her, continue to text her, see how I feel, see how she feels, and then readjust my expectations and obligations as necessary, you know?

[Lyle]

Okay, cool. I think she's on the same page as you.

[Noah]

Correct. Yeah, we. We talked about at length, like, I. That's how I. That's how I've been regulating my romantic life is just like being on the same page as explicitly as possible.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Noah]

The more that you're. You're doing that, it avoids any sort of misconceptions about where two people are going.

[Lyle]

Yeah, totally, totally. And also, you just like, yeah, if you're not. If you don't say you just like, kind of fuck yourself and like, you know, you want to. Ideally, life should have. This is just stuff I'm like, learning as I'm navigating being a person. It's like I. I like. I'm the happiest when my life has like, you know, I like. I like when life has challenges, but I don't like when it has tensions. You know, when it has like, yes. Dissonances or things where it's like, you know, things bubble up and explode and it's not, you know, you want to try to massage out the. The tensions of your life. You know, it's good to have chat. You're always gonna have. You're always gonna have, like, fucked, like, just. I think I'll talk about like the kind of just general dynamicism of life. And like, you know, there's a guy right next to me, he's taking a. This guy is standing directly in front of my car. I could kill him right now. He's take. He's just standing on the phone.

[Noah]

Everything is so fragile.

[Lyle]

Yeah, this is. He's standing underneath. There's some actually nice trees in this parking lot. There's a generator. I really have to poop. But I don't think that's gonna happen until I'm. I don't think I have to finish this and then go straight to there. I don't think I'm gonna be able to poop for like two hours. I think that there's a dynamic. Yeah, life has like this dynamicism. And I have all these existential thoughts about like. Oh, you know, like, you can't really, like, you know, like life. Life being a series of going like, well, when X, then Y, like when this calms down, then I'll feel this way. Or when that comes down, I'll feel this way. And obviously the whole idea of like delaying happiness or delaying contentment or whatever is a myth. But it's also. I also. Dude. Low key. Think it's kind of not. You know what I mean? Like, I do think. I do think it's low key, not a myth, because there are. Sometimes there are just like tensions. You know, there's things where, like, I mean, it's certain shit where it's like, you know, I don't know, maybe you're in a relationship shouldn't be in. You're in a job that you hate. You're in this. That the earth. Like, there's just certain. Like. I do believe in like, genuine misalignments in life. That you're kind of constantly having to correct and whatnot. And, yeah, I do. I do believe that you.

[Noah]

You.

[Lyle]

You feel better in your gut when you correct those misalignments. You know, I mean, at a certain point, you do have to learn to be okay with some version of your life, but you do ought to keep, you know, correcting misalignment or else you just die.

[Kevin]

There's a.

[Noah]

There's a push and pull. There's a push and pull of, like, an appropriate amount of struggle to keep you going and to keep yourself learning and also being okay with where you're at. Because the two extremes, either it's complete complacency or it's constant stress, and neither of those are healthy to have. So it should be, like a healthy amount of correctiveness in your life, you know?

[Lyle]

Okay, my hotspot. All right, so I have a problem is that I. I have 20% battery left on this. My phone, and I can. I can connect it to a charger, but if I connect it to the charger, it turns on airplay and it starts blasting music. And the way that the car works, I don't actually know how to turn the music off. So there might just. So you know how we. Norm, basically, you know how we normally have put bossa nova underneath the podcast? Maybe this time there might just be. Instead of, like, the bossa nova track, it'll just be bossa nova blasting in my car, and I have to talk over it pretty, like, loudly.

[Noah]

Yeah, it's like when you're at a bar with someone and you're chatting with them. Makes it more immersive.

[Lyle]

Yeah, you got a good head on your shoulders. No, what's your. What's your. Oh, wait, okay, so you're in, like, an F. When you say ethnic community. Like, what are you, Native American?

[Noah]

Filipino.

[Lyle]

Filipino. Okay.

[Noah]

I'm. Yeah, so there's. I'm in a state where there's not a lot of us. And so we kind of have all of us really band together. Everybody knows everybody, you know? I'm saying it's like people that you're not related to your cousin type shit.

[Kevin]

Yeah, there's.

[Noah]

There's the terms tita and tito, which mean auntie and uncle and all of the elders. You call them tita who? Tito. Tito, whomever. Because it's like you have a bond, you know, It's a community.

[Lyle]

Wait, what. What part of what state is this?

[Noah]

Utah. And no, I'm not Mormon.

[Lyle]

Okay. Mormonism is mainly. It's mainly white people who are Mormons, Right, correct.

[Noah]

And. And people of color who have been convinced that their non whiteness is a factor of sin.

[Lyle]

Whoa. Really?

[Kevin]

Yes.

[Noah]

So until the 1970s, the church actually made it a sin to be black.

[Lyle]

Whoa.

[Noah]

So Francis said, wait, yeah, there's a

[Lyle]

cuz in the, there's a line in. Have you seen the Book of Mormon, the South Park Guys musical?

[Noah]

I've not.

[Lyle]

There's a line in it where they go like, in 1978, God changed His mind about black people.

[Noah]

That's correct. Yes, that is correct.

[Lyle]

What happened to. What do you know what happened in. Yeah, I always heard that line. I was like, what happened in 1978?

[Noah]

Well, the church changed its doctrine and they seem to be doing that a lot, kind of at the whims of whatever. The whims of culture and the whims of politics, which makes me investigate the very premise of a divine word. If it can be so fickle, but so be it.

[Lyle]

Interesting. Do you know a lot of like, damn. Wait, so in. Does that still happen? Does the, does the Mormon church still like convince people that not being white is a sin?

[Noah]

Not at all. But it's, it's definitely an unspoken culture of exclusivity, if you know what I mean.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Noah]

So if, if you are non white and you are not Mormon in Utah, you have a hard time fitting in because whiteness and Mormonism kind of like you're kind of born inherently with a strong, tight knit community. And so not only are you not part of the dominant religion, but you're also part of a disfavored ethnic group. And so it makes it really hard to find your people, you know what I'm saying? And even in, even in the Mormon Church, you know, the majority of people are white. And so it's like, I'm actually walking by one right now.

[Kevin]

It's funny.

[Noah]

And so it's like there's a presumption

[Kevin]

of

[Noah]

patriarchy, leadership, prestige that comes with being a white male that's not afforded to other people.

[Kevin]

Whoa.

[Lyle]

So how many Filipino people are in this city, this town in Utah?

[Noah]

It's a great question. I don't know the numbers, probably a few thousand, but yeah, it's not huge, but we're pretty strong bonded, you know, And I.

[Lyle]

And you're telling me, you're telling me all a thousand of those people act like literally know each other?

[Kevin]

No, no, no.

[Noah]

It's like, it's an ill defined kind of nebulous thing, but it's like you grow up and, you know, there's Not a lot of people that look like you. You form those bonds where you can't. And so a lot of us know each other. Like I said, I joined a group recently, a dance group, and it's like,

[Kevin]

oh, are you so and so's daughter? Oh, do you know uncle so and so?

[Noah]

And it's like everybody tries to get

[Kevin]

to know each other.

[Noah]

You know what I'm saying?

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Noah]

Ari, that I. I met this girl at was like, that. The person celebrating the party is, like, my mother's godmother, right? But she's like a fucking, like, matriarch in the community. There was, like, 100 people there, you know, and it's just like, everybody knows her through knowing someone. And because of those bonding events, it creates, like, a dense, interdependent social network.

[Lyle]

Interesting.

[Noah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lyle]

So are all. Are all of your friends also Filipino, or do you have a lot of different. Are they half. Are they. Is your friend group, like, half Filipino, half white?

[Noah]

It's a bunch of different people. There's a lot of wages in Utah, but now I just. I surround myself by whomever I go to university. There's not a lot of us there, so my Filipino friends usually come outside of the university, so. Yeah, it's interesting.

[Lyle]

What do you study in the university?

[Noah]

I'm a triple major, so French triple major. Ethnic studies. Correct.

[Lyle]

I'll be graduating bachelor's French political science and ethnic studies.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Lyle]

And what do you. What. What do you hope to do to. For a job?

[Kevin]

Law school, man.

[Lyle]

Oh, cool. You sound very smart. I think you're gonna be a good lawyer.

[Kevin]

I appreciate that. I.

[Noah]

Thank you.

[Lyle]

You sound very sorry. Are you gonna do. Are you gonna do French law?

[Noah]

Well, I thought about it, but it's an entirely different legal system over there and even in other francophone countries. And so it's hard because I'm getting used to my state's legal system and the federal legal system, which is completely different than Francophone ones. They're not completely different. We share some common law attributes, but you literally have to sit down and learn an entirely different set of laws than your own. You know, they got no Bill of Rights.

[Lyle]

What kind of law are you gonna do?

[Kevin]

I don't know yet.

[Noah]

I think immigration law, so I want to do. My family's immigrant, so.

[Lyle]

Pretty good. Yeah, pretty good, man.

[Noah]

Yeah. Hey, listen, man, I. I'm at a Mother's Day thing, and. Yeah, yeah, I'm always looking forward to my phone to.

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm. I'm. No, I'm Pretty busy too. I'm pretty busy too. Yeah, we should.

[Noah]

Oh, you're good, man.

[Lyle]

Yeah, pretty good. I do want to wrap. Yeah.

[Noah]

A couple things. First. I've been long time listener, long time fan, first time.

[Lyle]

Oh, thanks, man. Thanks.

[Noah]

Yeah. Going to your show and felt like you're.

[Lyle]

Oh, you're going to show and sound like rock and roll. Hell yeah.

[Kevin]

Correct.

[Noah]

Yes. And I just want to say, like, I think you do really good work. I think part of your appeal is that you are, you're just a real ass dude working with real things. You know, I feel like therapy can be really, like, academic and. Oh, why do you feel that way? But you're working your way through life just like all of us. And so your wisdom is very, like grassroots, if you follow my meaning.

[Lyle]

Well, thanks, man. Thanks, man. Today my wisdom is, is parking lot pavement routes and. Yeah, no, I, I appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thank you very much for saying that. You're, you're, you're. You're like an actually smart guy. You've got academia, you know about things. Keep. Keep your soul pure, my friend. Keep.

[Noah]

I. True.

[Lyle]

Keep doing your thing, brother. You, you, you're. You're like. I don't know, you're like a. I. This is gonna sound weird, but you're like a, like a ball of pure light. I don't know why I'm saying that right now, but I do feel that way. I think you're gonna be okay. Don't do anything crazy or stupid. Just keep going, man.

[Noah]

I appreciate you. You're like a ball of green light. That's an.

[Lyle]

Huh. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. All right. Happy Mother's Day. Tell your mom I said, I said hi.

[Kevin]

Will do.

[Lyle]

Hey, doesn't know me, but.

[Noah]

Yeah, go ahead to request, go to the Philippines to do your documentaries first off. Second off, get JPEG Mafia on your show, bro. You got Danny Brown, you got Anthony Fantano. Where's JPEG at?

[Lyle]

He said. He said he was gonna do it. He didn't respond.

[Noah]

Yeah, alcoholic and crazy, but, well, hey,

[Lyle]

we got, we got, we got things to. We got things to therapy about. No, if. JPEG Mafia, if you're listening, I'm down to hang out whenever and you can, you know, it's all right. Well, either way. Oh, by the way, by the way, I don't want to go to the Philippines. I know you gotta go, but it's too hot. I can't handle it. I'm sure, I'm sure it's beautiful. I'm sure it's beautiful. But, like, I went to Thailand and I went to Brazil in December, and I like that climate. I can't exist in it for more than two. When's it. When's. When's, like, the coldest time to go to the Philippines? Does there even exist one?

[Noah]

They don't have four seasons like us. They have wet season and dry season. If you go in December, that's when it's, like, the most bearable. And also for your podcast purposes, I mean, their Christmas celebrations start in September and go through into January. And it's every day, these enormous, like, beautiful celebrations. It could be cool for you to see.

[Kevin]

So.

[Lyle]

Okay, okay. All right, all right. It's. Philippines is on the list. Philippines is on the list.

[Noah]

Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Lyle]

All right, man. Well, thank you very much. No, I'll see you around the universe.

[Noah]

Yeah, see you around the universe, bro. Have a beautiful day. Tell your mom, happy Mother's Day.

[Lyle]

I will. I will. I'll tell her. I'll call her. I'll call her right now.

[Noah]

Awesome. See you around, man.

[Lyle]

See you, man. See you later, brother. I like to know. I know is a good guy, man. All right. I'm still in this parking lot. The car is on. It's only dangerous to hang out in a parked car for a long time while it's on if you're in, like, a garage, right? Not if you're in a parking lot. Dude, no offense if you live in Los Angeles, but I can't stand. I mean, no, Los Angeles is fine. I just can't stand, like, cars and big parking lots and shit. It makes me feel weird. I feel like I'm in a. A cage or something. You know, there's too many cars. I gotta. I. I know. Someone educate me on this. Someone call in and educate me on this. Because I know it's a thing. What's up with the whole thing of, like, America is the way it is because of, like, lobbying from Ford? Does anyone know about that shit? Call in. Let's talk about it. I feel myself. I feel myself about to go on a Wikipedia loop about lobbying in the automotive industry and how that. And how I have. That I have the lobbying on behalf of the automotive industry to the US Government is what I have to blame for me recording a podcast in this TJ Maxx parking lot right now. I know I said earlier it was a Ross parking lot, but it's. It's. It's a parking lot. It's got a Panera. I'm looking right now at. I'm looking at a Panera, a Trader Joe's, a mattress firm, a TJ Maxx and a Ross and I. I think it's a collective. I think that no one store is like kind of sticking their dick out enough that you can call it that store's parking lot. They all have a presence. I'm thinking about going into the Trader Joe's to get malted milk balls. Hot T all like the health places. For some reason the health places all have the best candies. The unhealthy stuff at the healthy places is always the best. No, I shouldn't get the I'm not going to get the molten milk balls. They're too far away. I'm parked kind of towards the back of this parking lot. Alright, let's say we'll take another call.

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[Kevin]

Hello?

[Lyle]

Hey, what's up, man? Is this Kevin?

[Kevin]

This is him.

[Lyle]

Sorry. I know this is weird. I just. Sometimes when I record the podcast, I'm like, I think about, like, making an Instagram story to be like, yo, people call me, but I have all these people who've just texted me. And you texted me like three days ago, and I'm just randomly calling you back after you texted me three days ago, and I'm like, I wonder if he'll pick up. You did pick up. But then you're like. But then I. But it's like by the time you texted me, you forgot what the number is. So you're just like, it's a random number. So you're like. So, like, people aren't really going to pick. I don't. It's. I don't pick up random phone numbers. Like, if a random phone number texts me, I don't pick it up. But. But you picked up a random phone number and it is a guy that you. And the phone number is not exactly random because you did text me 2 days ago for the show, and now we're. And now we're on the show and you picked up. And so I don't know what you're doing. I don't know where you are. I don't know who you are. I don't know if you care about anything. I don't know what. I don't know. How do you feel right now? How do you feel right now?

[Kevin]

Honestly, right now I'm just chilling at home. I went out yesterday, but I guess the reason I actually texted you was to talk about my car accident.

[Lyle]

Oh, geez. Oh, by the way, just so you know, just for transparency, I. I'm in the backseat of my car in a Dress for Less parking lot. It would be crazy if I got hit by a car right now while you were telling me about you getting hit by a car.

[Kevin]

I. I mean, not probably because I hit a parked car. So what it would be.

[Lyle]

You hit up. Wait, that was your car? That was your car accident? You hit a parked car?

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

Oh, I'm like, you're prey right now.

[Kevin]

I can start from the beginning if you want.

[Lyle]

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good place to start.

[Kevin]

All right. So, well, I actually went to go see your show on in LA over at the Hollywood Cemetery Forever.

[Lyle]

Oh, you were at the show two days ago.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I was the guy who had the black OVO wind shirt. And you're like, oh, is that a Drake thing?

[Lyle]

And I'm like, oh, I know. I remember you. What's up, man? What did you. What did you think of the show?

[Kevin]

I liked it a lot. I actually sent you an email. I'm sure you could read it later. But the gist of it was like, hey, I came into it without any expectations because I feel like that's the way that you should be going into your specific shows, because the whole podcast essence is like, we're talking together in this moment, having an experience. And so that's what. I went in with it, because I had also dragged my girlfriend, and she knows maybe peripherally who you were and what the experience was. So we both went into it, and it was great. I think we lost some brain cells from the two people that went up there, though.

[Lyle]

Yeah, there were. Yeah, we had. We interviewed two people, and it was two of the strangest. I've done, like, hundreds of these shows, and those were two of the strangest people that I have interviewed doing one of these shows.

[Kevin]

It was. Yeah, it was kind of funny. She was like, is this. Is this normal? I'm like, honestly, I don't know. But it's kind of funny.

[Lyle]

How would. For the people listening that weren't there, which is, I guess, most of them, if not all of them, virtually. How would you describe those two people?

[Kevin]

Concussed.

[Lyle]

All right, let's talk about your car accident. How did you. How did you get. How did you get into a car? X. Whose parked car did you hit and. And did they die?

[Kevin]

Oh, well, so I actually was coming back from work. I had a night shift, and it wasn't out of the ordinary. I guess I Was just more tired than normal because I'm a. I'm a doctor, I'm a resident, and so.

[Lyle]

Oh, cool.

[Kevin]

I was driving back home from work,

[Noah]

and

[Kevin]

for some reason, I was just more tired than usual. Like, I. It usually takes me, like, maybe like 40, 50 minutes to drive home, but this morning was a little more traffic, I guess. But anyways, I was coming off the expressway, and I was literally less than a mile from home, and I was on a side street. I guess I closed my eyes for a couple of seconds and I rear ended a parked Tesla.

[Lyle]

How did you. It says here that you totaled the car. How did you total the car hitting a parked car? Oh, wait, how fast were you going?

[Kevin]

Like 25 miles an hour. It wasn't even that fast, but.

[Lyle]

Yeah, it's not that fast, but it

[Kevin]

just like, once I went, I guess, like, passenger side first straight into the rear end of one of the. Of the Tesla that I was. That was parked. Just. It happened so quickly. Like, one second I'm about to

[Noah]

make

[Kevin]

a stop, another second I am spinning in my car and all the airbags deployed.

[Lyle]

You were spinning?

[Kevin]

Yeah, Like, I. Towards the end of the accident, the. My car was actually turned the opposite way. So instead of going forward, my car was now looking in direction that I drove in.

[Lyle]

Wait, that doesn't. Whoa, Wait, that doesn't make sense. Why. How. How do you spin out hitting a parked car?

[Kevin]

Your desk is as good as mine because I woke up, like, what the happened?

[Lyle]

Did you. Did you feel concussed?

[Kevin]

No, Luckily, I don't think I hit my head or got any whiplash. The worst I got was a bruised hand. It like, sized up to the size of a softball. And then I think I got a broken rib. Hmm. Kind of sucks.

[Lyle]

Do you have it. Do you have. Do you have insurance?

[Kevin]

Yeah, I do. The issue is because it's a Tesla, and the Tesla also hit the car in front of it. I'm like, am I gonna get financially ruined from this?

[Lyle]

Oh, oh, the Tesla hit the car in front. Oh, no. Are you gonna. Are you gonna. Are you gonna get financially ruined from this?

[Kevin]

I have no idea. You know that. You know that meme from. What's that? He was on. It was a Netflix show for the. What was he? Oh, he was like the tiger King or whatever.

[Noah]

Remember that? Tiger?

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, I haven't heard of. I haven't heard from the Tiger King in a while. Yeah.

[Kevin]

And you know that meme that people always use, like, oh, I'm never gonna financially recover from this. Yeah, that's exactly how I felt.

[Lyle]

Do you know how much are you on the hook for? Do you know?

[Kevin]

I have no idea. I was dealing with the whole issue afterwards, and at that point, like, after the accident and waiting for everything, I think I was up for more than 24 hours at that point, and I was just like. I was on full adrenaline mode, I think. I didn't go to sleep until 9:00pm, which was like, maybe at that point, 36 hours of being awake.

[Lyle]

Whoa. Holy fuck.

[Kevin]

Hmm. But at this point, I'm just waiting. My car insurance said that they'll call me on Monday to set up an appointment to come into the office and talk about next steps. We'll see what happens. Because, honestly, this is terrible.

[Lyle]

When did this happen?

[Kevin]

Two days ago.

[Lyle]

Two days ago. Well, thanks for. Thanks for still coming to the show.

[Kevin]

What the. The funny thing is, years back when you were first on Reddit. The show?

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin]

I had actually called in and I was screened by, I guess, one of the screeners that used to have, like, volunteers that would screen calls for you. And I had called at that time five years ago for a very similar situation.

[Lyle]

Really? Wait, did you get in a car accident? What happens?

[Kevin]

Yeah, I was, at the time, I was heading out to this one. This is like around Covid time, right? When they were barely opening up the cities again. And so you were just barely getting traffic on the expressways again. I was driving out to drug testing center because I had to get a drug test for a job that was out of the state, and if I didn't head there on time, I would not get the job for the year, which would be. Which would have been detrimental to my career because it was one of those things that is required for, like, if you want to do a subspecialty in medicine. Anyways, at the time, I was dating this one person, and I didn't have a car at the time, so they'd let me borrow their car. I was driving out to get the drug test, and then right in the expressway, I rear ended a guy. It was a mess. It wasn't terrible. I was going like, maybe like 25 miles an hour. In any case, as soon as that happened, I was trying to figure things out with the guy. I find out that she didn't have car insurance, and then I was on the hook for that.

[Lyle]

Oh, geez, dude, you keep getting into. You keep getting into crazy car situations.

[Kevin]

I hate cars, too. I hate cars.

[Lyle]

Okay, all right. I was saying this earlier on the show is. All right, listen. No, did you grow up here. I mean, I'm. I'm. I'm in a parking lot in a. In a Ross dress. I am literally at the. You can f. If you. Listen, if anyone. I'm not gonna. By the time this episode comes out, I'm not gonna be here anymore. But if you search for the Ross Dress for Less near the Los Angeles airport, that is where I am. Okay. All right. All right. I am literally sitting in my car in the parking lot of that Dress for Less. And I'm just thinking. I mean, I'm still here. All right? I've been in LA for, like, a week for this. For this show and shit. I don't know if you grew up here, but I. I lived here for a couple years. I obj. I think I get. Okay, I get why people like Los Angeles. I get it. I totally, totally get why people like Los Angeles. I do think this is an objectively horrific place to live.

[Kevin]

Oh, I. I actually didn't grow up here. I moved here for medical school, and then I just kind of stayed for residency. But objectively, I hate living here because

[Lyle]

it's a horrible place.

[Kevin]

It's a mission.

[Lyle]

Exactly.

[Kevin]

Coordinate planes for everything. And I'm like, dude, what if I just want to, like, go see a friend? I don't want to make it a whole ordeal.

[Lyle]

No, it's a whole day. It's a whole day. I went from the place I was staying to a place that was like, I was meeting someone for lunch, like, five miles away. I swear to God. Getting there. Parking, going to the lunch place, fucking getting a thing. You park, whatever. It was like five. It was like $200 in five hours to, like, park, eat gas. It's just. It's like. It's an insane. I mean, listen, New York is also, like. Has its own, like, you know, unreasonably expensive, inconvenient stuff. But, like, dude, just the cars, man. Like, just the inefficiency of a city that is, like, trying to be a real city, but also doesn't have the parking infrastructure and is, like, run by cars. And there's all. And also, like, there's. There's so many. You know when. Okay. You know when you're following your map, like, okay, a city on a grid, right? Like, you can easily kind of figure out how to drive through it. But you know when, like, you're following route guidance in your car and it shows you, like, a street where you have to do, like, a spindly twiddley doo on the fucking thing and you're like, I'm not gonna be able to figure this out. I don't know how. And it's like, okay, so you gotta get all the way in the left lane, right? And then your exit is gonna be all the way on the right lane. You have to cover four lines. Like it's just a mission where you almost die to get fucking anywhere. It's, it's a, it's an objectively, I mean, there's nice parts of it, like the fucking, you know, Santa Monica is nice. Yeah, several likes. But there's also, I mean, also this terrible part. There's like parts of it that like, look run down and insane. And there's buildings where you're like. I think the only thing that I think the. Yeah, they're killing. There's dead bodies in that, like boarded up.

[Kevin]

Oh yeah, Believe me, it's.

[Lyle]

Yeah, there's also. Yeah, go ahead.

[Kevin]

Qualms. I have huge qualms. I have tons of theories of why and how things have occurred. I mean, they're not theories, they're it's facts of why LA is the way it is. It has to deal with, of course, the root cause of everything nowadays. Capitalism.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

And because back in the day, LA did have a pretty decent infrastructure for public transportation, but then the giant car companies invented the concept of suburbs and so they got people out to the suburbs. That's why we have like other towns in the near area that are also kind of big. And it sold the idea of getting people to drive to work. And so now the whole area is built on cars rather than infrastructure for public transport.

[Lyle]

Dude, I. So I, I may have talked about this on the podcast before, but like, I grew up in a suburb of Maryland and it was just. Oh, it was always my dream. It was like always my dream to like walk places. I mean, it was always my dream to have a car because I just wanted, like, I just wanted like freedom. And like when I would meet, every once in a while I'd meet a kid who like could just walk to like the 711 and it didn't have to, like, they didn't have to ask their parents for a ride somewhere they could just meet up with their friends. I mean, I mean, like, you know, I lived in like a neighborhood where like the neighborhood was walkable. But like, I, I do think that,

[Kevin]

yeah, to get the spots you need to drive.

[Lyle]

To get the spots you need to drive. I do. It's weird because I grew up that way. So like, I think my mentality for a long time was like especially if you live in America. My mentality for a long time is like, oh, this is how society is supposed to work. We're all supposed to be in our cars and like a lot like have kind of like our, our family unit in our home that's like far away. And the more I'm, the more I like think about it and feel about it, the more I'm like, oh no, we want to live with like in proximity to a bunch of people that we know. And like the fucking grocery store is like a walk away. Our friends are a walk away. Our family is a walk like just the way. Yeah, the car dude, those car companies the with they just fucked up society by making it this way.

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[Kevin]

Yeah, 100 and the same theory that you're having, like, oh, everything should be walkable because I, I actually, I'm from Chicago, so I got rocks.

[Noah]

Excuse me.

[Kevin]

You don't need it. I never had a car inside la. Yeah, I get everywhere pretty well. And so being able to grow up up until my mid 20s without needing a car because even when I was back in Chicago and I would have to get to work or something, I lived pretty decently near work and I could just bike to work. So I just biked everywhere. And if I needed to get somewhere else even further, it was just public transit.

[Lyle]

That's great. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Chicago's a great city. Chicago. Chicago. Chicago might be the best city in America, actually.

[Kevin]

That's what I tell everyone. But then they're like, oh, what about the winters? And I'm like, you know, it helps you appreciate life. You can't appreciate the nice weather if you don't have shit weather, dude.

[Lyle]

I. Okay, the winters, yes, the winters in Chicago are very brutal, are very brutal. But I do totally believe in that mindset. Like, the la. Like, that's one thing. Like, I will say, like, I'm looking outside, I'm looking at like, the weather is very beautiful. But I remember when I lived here, it's like the weather is nice all the time. And I like, I enjoy the cyclical nature of a place that experiences all the seasons. You know, like, like there is something nice, dude. There's something that is, I think, healing about. Every year you experience a brutal, horrific winter that literally makes you almost kill yourself. And right when you're about to do it, right when you're about to, you know, pull that fucking trigger, you see the lot. You literally. It's like a fucking from the Bible or something. You literally see. See the light and you remember. You. Every year you get to rise like a phoenix from the ashes and go, oh, I forgot that I love life. Oh, my goodness. Whereas, like, in. In a place like LA or in a place where, like, there's. It's the same weather, you're just at this, like, kind of same frequency the entire time. There's no development. There's no, like a cyclical change of the feelings and of the experience of just existing, you know, just always is.

[Kevin]

It just always is.

[Lyle]

Just always is.

[Kevin]

That's the. That's the feeling I had when I. Because when I first moved here, for the first couple of years, to be honest, I was kind of depressed. I was like, it's just always sunny.

[Lyle]

Yes.

[Kevin]

Like, there's no, there's no. Of that cycle of life and death.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Like rebirth of a new thing coming. Like, you can. Yeah, you can phase. You can have phases of your life based on the season, but you can't mark that here in la. And so it just feels like a continuum of everything that you're going through with the same feelings always.

[Lyle]

Right. There's the. There is. I do think life requires having this thing of, like, it's so over and then we're so back. You need to it. Dude, I really. I. So I fully believe this in life. You need to cut. I actually. I don't know if this is true, but I. I believe this for me. Maybe this works for other, like, you know, depress people or whatever, but, like, you need to have a point. You need to have several points in your life where you truly just believe that you can't do it anymore and then have. And then have that be followed by a period where you're like, oh, wait, life is awesome. I could keep doing this for 80 more years. This is great. We're so back. You need to be able to have that because then. Because every time you do that, the next one, you're like, oh, I know. I know what this is. You know what I mean?

[Kevin]

It's. It's. It builds resilience, character.

[Lyle]

It builds resilience being able to go

[Kevin]

through some tough shit.

[Lyle]

Yeah. But if you're just. If it's always the same frequency, it's. Yeah, it's kind of like dull and depressing. You know, you need to have. You need to be able to like. Like, Like, I've had so many like, like. You do. Maybe I have moments where you're like experiencing like a version of your life and of your brain that you thought was gone forever. Because that way, the next time you think it's gone forever, you can go, oh, last time I thought it was gone forever, but it's. It came back, so it'll come back again.

[Kevin]

And we're so back.

[Lyle]

We're so back. It's just. We're so. It's. It's. It's all over and we're so back. Just keep going.

[Kevin]

Yeah, but anyways, I. The car accident, that's gonna be a mess.

[Lyle]

Oh, I thought, well, well, but we're

[Kevin]

gonna listen to that.

[Lyle]

Exactly. Exactly. We're gonna be so back after that. I'm so happy that right before. I'm literally about to. I literally just had to record this before I getting on the plane. I'm so happy that I could. This. You're like, the last person I'll talk to before I leave Los Angeles. And I'm so happy that I got to talk to you about how much I hate this city. Also, gas is 7. Dude. Gas is $7 a gallon.

[Kevin]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I saw nearby here, it was like 7:30.

[Lyle]

And I. Crazy.

[Kevin]

And I love. Well, I hate the prices, of course, and I hate driving, but I love being able to point that out to my. One of my friends who's a Trump supporter, and I'm like, oh, look at the gas prices. He wears never better gas prices ever, remember? And he just kind of steps up.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I mean, well, it's funny because I remember when. I mean, when Biden was president, there was like, you'd go to the pumps and you'd see. I mean, I don't. I don't actually. This might be. This is maybe a dumb take, but I don't think that, like, who the president is is really like. There's so. There's so many infinite variables that affect gas prices or whatnot. They're like, pinning it on one guy is kind of whatever. But like, you ever seen those stick. Ever seen the stickers that are like, by. Like they're by the right. But they put them by the pumps? Yeah, yeah, you put. You put them by the. You put them by the pumps and it's like, trump did this. Biden did this. And it is funny because you can just, you know, you can just. Whoever's the president, you can just be like this.

[Noah]

Yeah, exactly.

[Lyle]

They did this. I mean, whatever. He started a war in Iran. That's the whole thing. Why Whatever. Who cares? I mean, not who cares. I care.

[Kevin]

You're going to Iran, right?

[Lyle]

No, Well, I, I, I mean, I went to. Dude, you know what's so funny is I get. I went to Iraq, which is. Yeah, I know which is which, which if. For which, like, people still don't realize that Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan are three different countries. So, like, I get, I do. I get messages from people all the time. They're like, dude, it's crazy that the war broke out right before you went there. And it's like, those are two different countries. Like, I'll get people. Oh, I loved your Afghanistan video. You're on video. And it's, it's, it is just. It must be so frustrating and hilarious for the people. I mean, I don't know if the people living there give a. About, like, Americans ability to identify their countries, but it is extremely funny that just because, like, they sound, they, they. It's just extremely funny the way that, like, those three countries, same area, and

[Kevin]

they're like, oh, yeah, we'll just lump them all together. Iraq and Istan.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I mean, it is. I don't know. Like, I don't know. I'm not, like, informed enough. I mean, the big difference between the. I think, I think one of the big differences between of those three countries, Iraq is definitely the most chill because Afghanistan's got, like, the Taliban going on. Iran has this, like, insane fucking evil government that's, like, killing their own people and shit. I don't think that's happening in Iraq. Yeah, Yeah. I don't really know what's going on politically in Iraq, but Iraq is definitely more stable than Iran. The Therapy Echo podcast, by the way, is not a good place to get your geopolitical information from.

[Kevin]

Just as a disclaimer on the show, it really opened up, like on your comedy set show for Netflix. It really changed my perspective on Iraq because I was like, oh, yeah, it's actually kind of chill it back.

[Lyle]

I, I, I will stand by that. Baghdad is pretty. Baghdad is pretty awesome. It is really chill, except. And all right, you'll, all right, you'll like this. You'll. You'll appreciate this. The time I felt the most unsafe in Baghdad was when I was in a car. That's where.

[Kevin]

Because it was, like, slamming shit, right?

[Lyle]

Yeah, there's just, there's, there's no ev. I mean, it's like this in a lot of places in the world with cars in general, but there's no inclina. Nobody is thinking that they're driving. Nobody is truly aware of how dangerous what they're doing is when they're driving in Los Angeles and in Iraq, it's like, there's no tomorrow, doesn't exist. Let's go 100 miles per hour. Let's drive on the wrong side of the road. It's, I mean, it's very crazy, but it's not like, you know, I don't know what the, I don't know what the safe situation is like in Iran. I don't know if, I don't know if or when I'd go there. I mean, I'd like to go there at some point. I want to get, I want to go to Venezuela. I got somebody who was like. Because everyone was talking about Venezuela for about two seconds and then as, as people do, they move on to some other thing. But I got invited to go there. I, I still, I haven't done enough research. Yeah, I liked, before I do these trips, I'm not like a complete idiot. Like I try to do research and talk to people to like get a true gut vibe of whether or not it's like safe to go to a place. So I still have to do that with Venezuela.

[Kevin]

Which reminds me, one of the other things that I wanted to talk to you about was Japan because you just went to Japan and I went to Japan about a year ago and I wanted to get your perspective on Japan because the reason I had went was more of a cultural thing and I guess vacation, of course, but it was like a planned vacation with my ex and I was like, I don't want to have her ruin my vacation. I'm still going to go by myself.

[Lyle]

I mean, Japan's off. Did you, you went already, right?

[Kevin]

Yeah, I went. I, I spent about 10 days in Japan. I started in Tokyo and then I went to Kyoto and then Osaka and then Kinosaki onsen. It was fantastic. Honestly, I would say.

[Lyle]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Kevin]

Yeah, go ahead. What I was going to say is like that trip in itself was one of the, I'd say biggest life changing experiences that I've had.

[Lyle]

Japan's thing is that like if a utopian society is one where like everything works, then Japan is a utopia. Like, like you have an expect. Like, like, okay. Like it's very interesting because you have kind of an expectation depending on where you grew up that like, if you walk into a store, there will be a person at the store who will help you do the thing that the store is for. And like there's like society is kind of a big illusion, you know, and like Japan, of all places in the World, I think, does the best job at upkeeping and maintaining the illusion of society. Let like that shit just work. Like you go into like a car place that fixes your car and then like you pay someone and they do it and it like, you know, like the. This. The idea of object, the idea of an objectively correctly functioning reality is the most alive. In Tokyo, like, I went to, like I. When I got back from Tokyo, I went to Bodega in Brooklyn and there's like a. There's like a convenience store attached to the deli. And like it says deli on the thing, like outside. And I went. I was like, hey, can I get a sandwich? And they were like, oh, the deli guy's gonna be back in a half hour. And it's like. And by the way, that's how it should. That's like how. That's how like real life is, I think that's how. Yeah, so that's how shit works in most places around the world. But Japan is the most like, again, like bowing to the idea of what objectively a society is. Does that resonate with you having been there?

[Kevin]

Yeah, I think similar to what you do when you travel to places. I did a lot of research because I don't know how you feel, but I feel like sometimes what people do when they go on vacation, they go on vacation to turn off their brain. And then they expect wherever they're going to be that they're served, you know, everything on a platter. They're there to be sort of like the kings and stuff. But to be honest, I feel like that's a terrible way to go about things, especially if you're traveling to a foreign country with a different cultural expectation. So what I did was I, of course I. I did a lot of reading and learning about the culture because I don't want to be disrespectful. When I got there and you know, I was going to be on myself and I didn't want to be like that American that just is an asshole kind of thing anyways. Very similar to what you said and from what I've read, it's the expectation of providing self respect in an outwardly way. So to show that you respect yourself, you have to respect everything around you. And they have like this big cultural expectation of everyone pitches in. Society is a bigger thing than you are. You are part of it. So you have to contribute meaningfully to it in a respectful manner.

[Lyle]

What's your name again, man?

[Kevin]

Kevin.

[Lyle]

Kevin. Kevin.

[Kevin]

Yes, sir.

[Lyle]

I agree with you on This. I agree with you on this. I'm so sorry. I have to. I re. I'm still in this parking lot. I really have to go into this Panera Bread bathroom and take care of business. But I. It's been nice talking to you, Kevin.

[Kevin]

I. Yeah, like mine.

[Lyle]

I. Thanks for. Thanks for letting me rant to you. Thanks for. Thanks for being a homie. I hope you enjoy. I hope this was a good conversation with you. I hope I didn't cannibalize it with whatever I was just ranting about for the past half hour.

[Kevin]

No, no, you're fine. It's nice to see how you've grown over the years. Starting out on Reddit and now you have a cross country tour and able to have a comedy show on Netflix. I'm very happy for you. Very cathartic. To be able to see you up there on stage and be able to share that experience with my girlfriend.

[Lyle]

Thank you, man. I appreciate that. Thanks for coming to the show, Kevin. Kevin, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

[Kevin]

Just be nice to each other. And one last thing. Lyle Forever.

[Lyle]

Hahaha. You're. You're. You're a sweet guy, Kevin. I appreciate you, man.

[Kevin]

Thanks. Thanks, Lyle.

[Lyle]

Have a go. Okay. I have returned from the Panera Bread where I. Oh, fuck. Oh my God. I ran. Why did I run? I didn't. I didn't need to run. All right. I returned from the Panera Bread. I got a little. I got a little drink. Sometimes you need. Sometimes in life you need to get yourself a nice little drink. This is not a Panera ad, but I got a little Panera fruity thing. It's nice on a hot day. I don't know why I'm recording this outro. I was like, you know what? I should record an outro, Give some closure to this parking lot saga. Now I'm really. I'm not even. I don't even have my microphone. I'm just recording it on my phone. That's why it sounds shittier. Okay. All right. I'm glad I gave you guys some closure. You know what?

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[Lyle]

We needed this closure. I'm glad I did this. This has been the Therapy Gecko podcast. Come to a live show therapy gecko tour.com or check the link in the episode description. Go check out my Ukraine documentary. I went to Ukraine to film a documentary. You can watch it on YouTube.com lyle forever. Or I think Geck. I changed the channel name to Geck. You can go to geck YouTube.com geck or YouTube.com lyleforever if you search Therapy Gecko Ukraine, it'll probably come up on YouTube. All right, thanks for listening to this episode. I'm not going to do this again. I'm going to go home and I'm gonna record some episodes in a place that's real. It's not a parking lot. But it was fun. You gotta make do with what you got, folks. All right, podcast over. Geck bless. Thank you all.

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