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Hello.
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What's up brother?
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Oh, you know, just waking up. How are you doing?
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I am living my life, chasing the dream. What's going on caller? How, how can I get you today? What's going on?
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Oh man. I guess I don't really have anything particular but I just love your act and saw that you were looking for callers and thought I'd chime in. I've been going through a lot of life changes recently and I don't know, I guess I thought I'd be happy to share them both to kind of reflect on them and also to just share my story.
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Sure. Hit me. What's. What's been changing? What have been the strange changes? This David Bowie reference that was Continue Go ahead, all you.
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Yeah, well, I've had kind of an eclectic life for sure, but most recently I've been Getting out of a marriage of 11 years, and ultimately, it's definitely for the best, but, you know, just learning how to reintegrate into a life and, you know, come to realize how easy it is to lose yourself in a relationship. And sometimes it seems like maybe it's easiest to do so when the relationships are not healthy.
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Tell me more.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, I very much love my wife and probably didn't love myself enough. You know, I was depressed my entire life, and she really made an effort to show me her love, and I think maybe kind of wanted to rescue me from myself. And I was very deeply appreciative of that. And the relationship was marked by just so many times of her giving so much energy to try and, yeah, help me and support me. And, you know, there's certainly windows where I was able to reciprocate that. But, you know, depression and it's a hell of a drug, and I certainly was unable to give her what she needed. So slowly over the years, I drained her bucket of love until there was nothing left. But, yeah, ultimately she got to a place where it didn't work for her. And I tried everything I could to fix it. But, you know, so often by the time that somebody draw the line in the sand, it's already too far gone. So no matter what I did, there was really no saving that.
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So it was a matter of, like, you were too. You were feeling depressed, and she was always kind of like giving you her energy. And after, like, 11 years, she couldn't do it anymore.
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Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, you know, I certainly respect her decision. It was a very difficult thing to come to accept. And the first couple months after that, you know, news was dropped. I really struggled with suicide and had to leave the state and ended up going down to Texas and spent a couple months with my brother, who was, you know, incredibly helpful. Helpful to give me a place to go and ended up doing quite a bit of therapy. And, you know, I've done therapy my entire life. I've certainly never been afraid of it, but I never found talk therapy to be, you know, the answer for me. So I ended up doing tms, which, you know, for those that know, is transcranial magnetic stimulation. And it was a game changer. It completely, yeah, opened doors that always were closed to me, and now I am a completely different person after those two months.
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In what way do you feel like you're a completely different person?
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Oh, you know, I just finally feel like what I imagine the people around me have felt.
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Oh, yeah.
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The ability to brush your teeth or get up and go to a job or remember what people are talking about or. Yeah. So yeah, I find it to be a very profound treatment and certainly recommend it to anyone who has treatment resistant depression or has really struggled to find a solution to share with mental health issues.
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Yeah, that's how it feels when you first get. Find something that works for you in the. In. In that way is exactly how you described. It's like you finally feel the way that you think most people feel. You know, do you. But I don't know that like, do you feel like it was like a lasting thing for you?
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Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. You know, there was like some relapsing for sure. Right. Like after the first week I was on cloud nine and then, you know, back in the, you know, ditch and just had to continue going back and doing the work and then, you know, augmenting it with a lot of meditation and dietary changes and psych meds and um, you know, lifestyle changes and. But ultimately, you know, it was definitely a catalyst that I had never experienced before and then it made all the rest so much more effective.
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Right.
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Like I had these 20 years of therapy under my belt but none of those coping mechanisms ever really did anything because the depression was just so overwhelming. So I could tell myself all day, like, oh no, it's fine, like tomorrow will be a better day or you know, I'm catastrophizing or you know, that's not the way it actually is and it's just so hard to actually believe those things or you know, have them change the way you feel when it's. There's such a strong biological precursor and that's just not the case anymore. Now like when I, you know, have positive self talk, my body listens and it's. Yeah, amazing.
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Nice man. So what, did you and your wife have kids together?
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No, no, no, thankfully. We always were disinterested in children and you know, we have a little dog together who is like our child and you know, my ex wife is amazing and we have continued to, you know, be civil and kind and caring to each other and she has continued to let me spend time with the dog. Right now he's cuddled up next to me at a friend's house. But yeah, no children. We did have a house together which we're currently in the process of, you know, figuring out how to exit from. But yeah, no, I think it would probably been significantly more painful and messier with the child, but I think that was a territory.
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What is your plan? For life moving forward.
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Yeah. So a part of the dynamic of the marriage was that growing up, like I said, I kind of had an eclectic life. Like I grew up with this group of guys who would like live out of a climbing gym and go on adventure races and like as a 12 year old I would be going along with them as their support crew and you know, like making them food or getting their bikes ready for the next leg of the race. So I grew up with this idea of like that being the normal and what I wanted to, with, you know, not a nine to five, go home to your white picket fence American dream life and more of like a nomadic, you know, scrappier lifestyle. And once I met my wife, that all became very domestic. You know, she wanted that and I wanted to be with her. So we did have this, you know, very much that like working your 9 to 5 to pay for your house to, you know, go weekend warrior and go on vacations a couple times a year. And I think that was part of my depression is that, you know, I was kind of living this lie in order to be with her. And I was just caught between like those two desires and you know, like, that's what I guess I was talking about of like not loving myself. Right. Like, I was never willing to
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leave
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the relationship, even though there were things that it wasn't fulfilling me because I was so much more focused on making her happy and showing her my appreciation for the support she gave me rather than really facing like, well, is this what I want out of my life and is this, you know, fair to me?
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So how long were you the entirety of the relationship? The whole 11 years. Were you, were you living this domestic life?
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Yeah, essentially. I mean, we didn't get our house until the last four years, but you know, it was not dissimilar, you know, maybe a little less stress because we were renting and certainly in the beginning of our relationship it was a lot more youthful and filled with drugs and parties and. But yeah, I mean the, the last four years for sure was much more just kind of your typical prescribed life. But yeah, so I have now very much pursued that alternative lifestyle and I very happily live out of a car and continue to work and. But now, you know, I can put that money towards what I'm interested in rather than a mortgage that, you know, is just making me house poor and yeah, building out I nothing vehicle to be a longer term residence. And it's just lovely. Like every night I get a different view and explore around the state a lot and I'm constantly out, so I am just routinely getting to meet people and have new experiences. And, you know, that's something that for me was always quite the obstacle is once I started having a place to be at home, I became a homebody and I would never really feel comfortable going out because the change from out to in and into out was, you know, dramatic for me. So not having an option puts me in this place where I just constantly get to challenge myself and have new experiences and yeah, it's been amazing.
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That's awesome, man. Do you, do you share the van with anyone or are you just like full. Are you full on nomadic?
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Oh, yeah, no, just, just myself. And yeah, I mean, it's like locally nomadic. I, you know, reside in the same city that we were married in. And yeah, it's wonderful because I have all of these friends to spend time with and all these places to, you know, that I know like the back of my hand. So I can always like easily find good places to spend nights and have places to go and. But yeah, it's, you know, I don't have a van because I wanted to remain very stealthy and I feel like there's a, like, clear stigma as soon as you see somebody roll up in their spinner van. So, yeah, just right now working out of a car and I've got a fold out bed when I fold down the seats and yeah, like, nobody bats my. But yeah, I mean, that's, that's about it, you know, within, within that lifestyle and then plan on, you know, in the winter going back down to Texas and spending time with my brother and then in the spring, summer and fall going back north because Texas summers are brutal and I have no ability to handle heat like that. But yeah, just have been exploring and enjoying the process of rediscovering myself and yeah. Learning what makes me tick and what I want from life and yeah, it's been a really fun and novel experience.
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And would you say you're happier now since the divorce?
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Oh, so much, so much happier. Yeah, I mean, you know, it was a very rocky road getting here. Right. But I mean, I think that it's always the case that, like, if it's not meant to be, it won't. And the harder you try to keep a relationship that shouldn't exist alive, the more miserable both parties are. And I think that that was ultimately our biggest strength in a relationship is that we were both people that dearly wanted to maintain our relationship. Right. Like, there was a lot of things that we did do well and that we were happy about, but then there were a lot of things we weren't. And ultimately that skill of constantly resuscitating our connection, you know, kept things alive that long. But, you know, earnestly, we probably should have cut things off after the first couple years when, you know, she realized that I was a risk taker and a instigator and a, you know, wild child. And I realized that she was, you know, super sensitive to people's opinions of her and, you know, much less interested in, like, doing the, you know, atypical things that I wanted to do, like, you know, go dumpster diving or go, you know, sleep in a tree for the night and. Or, you know, go talk with strangers and ask them about their biggest fears. So, yeah, you know, I definitely. Reflection for me about that while you definitely.
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I'm curious about this though.
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Like, yeah.
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Was there no room for you to be that in that relationship? You know, did she have to join. Did you. Did you necessarily need her to join you for all those aspects?
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No, not at all. And I, that's, that's what the relationship was, was that we both lived our separate lives. You know, I did those things. I tried to include her in them and she was very uncomfortable. Right. So then I learned that, you know, it. Yeah, it just wasn't something she enjoyed and it didn't really seem like she wanted to try. And I accepted that. Right. Because I loved her and I was appreciative for her. So I was like, okay, that's fine. Like, you, you don't have to. And I will find other people to fulfill that part of my life. And yeah, I mean, that part, you know, ultimately, like, worked well enough. The issue, I think, was that we, since we were so okay with, like, okay, that's not going to work for you. Like, that's fine. Like, you can just do you and I'll do me that. You know, we ended up getting to this place where we really weren't spending that much, you know, time with each other outside of, like, very prescribed relationship. Things like we're having dinner together, we're, you know, unwinding at the end of the night, like playing a game together, like watching TV or going to a family get together. But, you know, in terms of our passions, we, yeah, didn't really have much crossover. And, you know, now it's not the case because I'm in such a different place in my life. But at the time, right. I was very depressed. So one of her greatest joys was to just go sit with friends and Talk for hours on end. And, you know, with deep social anxiety and depression, I was really interested or able to talk at length with, you know, strangers to me. So, you know, I wasn't able to give that to her. And yeah, then she wasn't really interested in doing the more like, outside adventurous things I was interested in. So, yeah, it just became a very at home relationship. And then, you know, like, occasionally we would have these wonderful trips and anytime we left our state and, like, went to a different place, it was a, you know, different relationship because we were both outside of our comfort zone. So she was much more open to doing things that she wasn't comfortable with because she was already doing something she wasn't comfortable with by traveling. And I was happier because, you know, oftentimes removing yourself from your environment can help you escape your depression, at least for a little bit.
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Hmm. Interesting. Casca, can I ask how old you are?
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35.
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Nice man. Do you see yourself ever getting back into another relationship or do you feel like the single life is the life for you? This. This bad?
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Oh, no, I.
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Existence.
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Yeah, no, I. I definitely look to, you know, I. There were so many wonderful things. Like, she was definitely the best thing that had ever happened to me in my life. It just wasn't the answer. Right. Like, I learned so much and she gave me so much and, you know, I. I also did my best to give her everything I could. So, yeah, we had a lot of wonderful experiences and I still love her, love her dearly. I'm just, you know, not probably at this point, you know, as in love with her as I convinced myself I should be. And I know she certainly has moved on seeing other people, and I'm thrilled for her. I want her to find the person that is right for her, and I want to find the person that's right for me. And, you know, I've gone on some dates and, you know, I've now really started to see, like, oh, wow. Like, this is what it's like when you're with somebody that's more compatible.
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Right.
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And that matches those aspects of yourself that are core to what you want out of your life. Hmm.
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Interesting. Okay, so the dates have. Sound like they've been going good.
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Yeah, yeah, no, it's. It's really been all flowers. Cool.
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Wow. Interesting. All right, so you're going out on dates with girls, and I assume the. I assume the fact that you live in your car is coming up intentionally very early in the date because it's a good litmus test.
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Yeah. Well, so the Dates, most of them were before, you know, I was like going on dates down in Texas when I was like, finishing my therapy to try and like, reintegrate into the world. And yeah, now that is a process I am navigating. So I've only gone on one date just a couple days ago, and I thought that that was a bit of a bomb to drop on the first date. But then this lovely person that was willing to spend some time with me informed me on the date that she had spent, I believe, a couple of years living in her car. So, yeah, the next date I'm going to be broaching that topic and hopefully it goes well,
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I feel like. But that's the thing, right? It's like the person who. You got to bring it up early because then if they're into it, they're the, you know, then that. Because if they're into it, that's full speed ahead, you know. Yeah, you got to get that out of the way.
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Yes. And I'm always very inclined to be an open book and not obfuscate or deceive. You know, it's just there's a time and a place and I feel like before I even know your name or your, like, how many family members you have, you know, but yeah, so definitely soon coming. But yeah. Yeah, wish me luck, Lyle.
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Dude, what's your name again?
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My name's Zach.
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Zach. Zach. You actually see, Zach, you, I have to say, among people living in their car, you are probably in the top percent. You are in the highest percentile of people living in their car that I could have a 23 minute conversation with and walk away from that conversation going. I think that guy seems like he's really enjoying his life
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and I mean that. Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. And yeah, as do I. You know, it's. It's not something I would do. Like, I could easily get in a place again and, you know, I've lived that life and yeah, I just, I don't get much value from having a, like, place to return to. And like, I'm a minimalist, so, like, I have no need for a place to like, have tchotchkes or art. So, you know, it's like I go to the gym for, you know, shower and, you know, like, whatever else and, you know, laundromats and like, I have no problem with this modular lifestyle because the things that I want out of life are outside of the home.
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Thanks for sharing your story, Zach. I appreciate it.
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Is.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people at computer before we go.
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, absolutely. You know, the core reason that I called is just whatever listeners are out there and I was certainly one that is struggling with their mental health and feeling like there is no answer. I know it's cliche and I was always pissed off to hear it when I was in that state. But like there really is help out there. And it may not be talk therapy, it may not be psych meds, you know, it may not be what you're being told, but continue to look, continue to. Yeah, try and find that answer because there is one. And don't like give up, don't give in to that, like, temptation that like, I'm unsavable. There's nothing that can be done for me. Because once you find that answer, like, life is such a beautiful thing and it's. Yeah, it's definitely worth trying to find a solution because mental, like poor mental health is a miserable crucible and you know, getting through it is a path well worth walking.
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Hey, thanks for calling Zach. I appreciate you.
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Yeah, thanks Lyle.
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Take care, man. Truly a guy, truly a guy who getting divorced and moving into his car seemed. Seems like it has been a great life decision for him. I mean that sincerely. I'm glad to hear that our boy Zach is happier now. Glad to hear he's living the nomadic dream that is his dream. And what else? Do I have anything else to say? I don't.
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And now insights into TurboTax business.
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Jerisha, you went from engineering to selling $19 PDFs on Facebook Live. And now you're a full on business coach. What made you want to leave engineering
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and start your own business?
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I loved my career. But somewhere along the way I realized that the American dream I had been sold of get the good degree, get the good job with good benefits and stay there for 30 years, just wasn't my dream. I grew up watching what happens when people don't have money to choose something different. They stay in relationships, jobs or situations that weren't good for them. Maybe longer than they should because financial dependence took away those options. I started this business on the side to give myself more optionality and more choice. And what I discovered was that the same skills that made me a really great engineer, the systems thinking, the problem solving, that really translated well into entrepreneurship. I just had to learn how to apply them differently.
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How does working with a TurboTax expert fit into this bigger idea of not trying to business hack your way through everything alone?
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I think that when we think about business hacking, it's really just a sophisticated way of describing what happens when someone is too proud, too overwhelmed, or too resource constrained to just ask for real help. And I get it. I think all of us have been there at one point or another. What I have learned is that the fastest path forward almost always runs through someone who has already been where you're trying to go and an actual expert with real experience in your specific situation. And that's what TurboTax experts for business really allows you to have. They aren't generalists, they're matched to your industry. They have an average of 13 years of experience and they prepare, sign and file your taxes. You're available to them year round. It really gives you this peace of mind and assurance knowing that what needs to be done, that is a business requirement for you to have is being done properly and being done well.
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How can leaning on a TurboTax expert help them feel like they don't have to navigate all the complicated stuff alone?
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I would recommend someone to open up a separate bank account that is specifically for savings for taxes. I would also recommend that they go to turbotax.com business to connect with a
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To accept, press 1. To send a voicemail, press.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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Hey, what's up, man? What's your name?
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My name is Sebastian. How are you doing today, Sebastian?
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I'm doing good today, man. It's a lovely morning. The sun is shining.
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Yeah, it's quite early, actually.
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Yeah, I had him. This is. I know there's a lot of people who listen to this podcast that have some form of mental health issue, and I want. I do want to say something. People make fun of, you know, Jordan Peterson.
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Not really.
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And people make fun of Jordan Peterson for the whole thing where he's like, clean your room, bro. It's kind of. It's kind of. It's kind of really true. I. Last night I was. I was like, I think last night I was like, I think. I think this is it for me. And then I just cleaned. And then in the morning, I woke up, I cleaned my room. I got rid of all the fucking trash, picked up all the clothes, took the, you know, it did the laundry, hung up the laundry, just cleaned everything. I, like, looked around and I was like, oh, this is. I feel like I can do anything. I feel like I'm gonna live forever. I feel like life has meaning. I feel like I have limitless potential. All you have to do is clean your room. I mean, it's not. It's totally super. Not all you have to do, but if your room isn't clean, start there. I'm just. That's. I just. Just haven't come immediately from feeling like, yeah, well, just having immediately come from like, oh, God, that. I feel like there's no hope for my existence to. Oh, wait, yeah, you know, the whole it's so over to we're so back pipeline.
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Yeah, I know.
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Dream.
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Never felt that harder than just cleaning my room. So, anyway, that's enough about me. I. I wanted to give you an actual answer when you asked how I was doing. How are you? What's going on? On?
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Oh, pretty good. I'm currently in Dallas, Texas, about to go to work at a volleyball tournament.
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What do you do for the volleyball tournament?
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Traveling, photography. We take, like, pictures of the teams and try to sell them to the parents later.
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Oh, okay.
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That's pretty cool. Yeah. Kind of like a lax, relax day. We already did all the work, just up super early, ready to go to work?
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Could do. Do you sell the parents like keychain options? Give me the most expensive package,
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like 40 bucks.
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For. For poster. Pretty much. It's a 8 by 24.
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You're not doing like big carpets or.
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No, it's just 8 by 24 poster.
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No keychains, flash drives?
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No, nothing like that. Yeah, I was hoping actually to talk about how my ex stole my cat, actually, or something along those lines.
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Yeah, sure. Yeah, we could talk about that. What happened, man?
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Okay, so roughly. My job as a traveling photographer. I went to California recently, maybe around three weeks ago, and I was on a trip with like a newer guy. I didn't kind of like him at first because, like, I don't know if he's annoying, trying to pick fights with people saying dumb shit. So I kind of didn't like him at first, but me and him got sent on a fight together because no one else wanted to work with him. I. I was working with him and had a girlfriend ignoring me pretty much. No, no phone call. Da da da da da. I call her off of his phone and he has her saved in his phone. I'm like, like, what this? Can I go through your phone? He says, I don't give a bro. And I see like, apparently they matched on Tinder and all the stuff like that.
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Oh, no.
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So I call her and confront her about this and she says, I don't know anything. I don't know what you're talking about. Can't we just be adults and like, talk about this when you get back to Louisiana? It's like a 24 hour drive at that point. Like, all my is at my mom's house. All my stuff is packed in my vehicle. Yeah, you can only imagine,
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dude.
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And that's one of the reasons.
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The fact that what's your girlfriend was cheating on you with like, you're one of your boys at work.
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She.
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D
I don't. She matched with him on Tinder. I don't think it went anything past like, text conversations, you know what I mean?
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A
Did you. Was this like. Is this guy like your boy? Is he just someone you work with?
- [36:24]
D
It was some random guy I met maybe twice. Three times.
- [36:27]
A
Okay, okay. So he didn't even know that.
- [36:29]
D
You know what I mean?
- [36:30]
A
This is, you know, this is your girl.
- [36:31]
D
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It wasn't really any fault on his. But he. But he was being like the cool bro. Being like, dude, go through my phone, I'll give two. Like, you know what I mean?
- [36:39]
A
Whoa. Damn. Dude, she stole your cat.
- [36:44]
D
Well, so we got the cat kind of together. We both were working at Lowe's. I was the Receivings clerk at Lowe's, and she was mst, which is kind of like the people who build shelves.
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A
Okay.
- [37:01]
D
Yeah. And they found a random cat at Lowe's. The cat's name is Sir Foliage Supervisor of Outside Lawn and Garden. Because we found him in Outside Lawn and Garden.
- [37:13]
A
And where is he now?
- [37:16]
D
At her house. Like, she has them. She says if I went once I get my old place, she might give it back.
- [37:25]
A
Oh, no, wait, so what's the room?
- [37:28]
D
I don't even know.
- [37:29]
A
So where?
- [37:29]
D
Where?
- [37:30]
A
Okay, so you're in Dallas, she's in Houston.
- [37:33]
D
No, I. We live. I live in Louisiana yesterday. But I travel around for work a lot. She lives in, like, a district in part of town. I'm living with my mother at the moment because, like, you know, kicked out life.
- [37:48]
A
Damn, man, I'm sorry to hear that.
- [37:54]
D
Oh, yeah, But I'm traveling every week, so it's a different place every, like, traveling wizard style, if you know what I mean. I'm going to, like, a BW the rave, and I have, like, a bunch of decorated clothes tins with my Instagram on the back, and I'm gonna go hand them out and, like, go act like a wizard, and we'll have a great time in a couple weeks. Okay?
- [38:16]
A
I'm not. Okay, just. I'm not worried about you at all. You sound like. You sound like life will continue to find you. Each time you are berate, you are beraved of some element of it.
- [38:32]
D
Oh, yeah. Is this going, like, on the thing?
- [38:36]
A
Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yes. Yes, it is going on the thing.
- [38:41]
D
Can I give him a shout out to my Instagram?
- [38:43]
A
Yeah, sure. Wait, hold on. Before you do. What is the Instagram? Like, what is it? Is it like a wizard Instagram?
- [38:50]
D
I'm transferring it to that, actually. I like, like, yes, like, that is my plan to when I go. But when I go to the rave in a couple weeks, it's like, on the 24th or the 25th. I want to transfer it to, like, being entirely wizard themed.
- [39:07]
A
Okay, listen, listen, listen. Just real quick. This episode comes. I'm recording this, like, an hour before it goes.
- [39:15]
D
I understand.
- [39:16]
A
So I just want to know if people listen to this, what are they going to find? Right now?
- [39:23]
D
Right now you're going to see unboxing. Oh, I know. I have a video already. I have an unboxing video of, like, a compass that, like, helps you find your rave. Homies and I'm like completely like wizard themed and stuff like that and all dressed up as my beatbox wizard. I'm an ambassador for Beatbox beverages as well as Forever Flow, which is like a flow star. Like a flow toy which I'd spin on like a finger.
- [39:47]
A
Dude, who are you?
- [39:50]
D
Yeah, I know. Like, I've been trying to get on this thing non stop. You have no idea.
- [39:55]
A
No, you're the exact kind of person. No, you're exactly. You're. You're strongly in a demographic of who I imagine watches a talking lizard podcast. For sure.
- [40:08]
D
Oh, most definitely. My Instagram is at sign B A S S, capital F, capital F, L O W. Go at.
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A
Do it one more time.
- [40:22]
D
Base B A S S F F flow F, L O W V A S S F F L O W face left.
- [40:32]
A
Are you going to be all right, man? What's up with your girlfriend? Is she like, do you. It sounds like, like you've. You've already moved on. You're already. You're a wizard now. You're. You're a wizard.
- [40:41]
D
I get what you mean. Like, I just hope, like, I don't know. We both had our problems in the relationship and I completely understand, like, if you get what I mean. We both had our faults. We can't like fault each other for it. We both had our anger issues or the disattachment or lies or whatever. I kind of understand it and I get it. But I think she could have did in a better way of kicking me out because I, like, you know what I mean?
- [41:09]
A
I know what you mean.
- [41:10]
D
Been more communicative and not like, oh, I have to deal with the 24 hour drive home of not knowing what's going on and realizing all my shit's actually like every, like everywhere and having to deal with like two hours of trying to figure out what's going on with my life and moving it into storage units.
- [41:27]
A
So. So, okay, so you guys were living together. Okay, so you're in Dallas for work right now, correct?
- [41:33]
D
Yeah, Dallas for work. And Louisiana is where I say.
- [41:37]
A
Okay. And so in Louisiana, whose house is.
- [41:42]
D
Was her house, her mother committed suicide like two or three years ago. And yeah, and she blames it on her grandparents because her mother was go, like, had tried to commit a suicide attempt before. And before when she tried to commit the. It was like that. And she took a bunch of her psych medication and she kind of like OD'd and. And she blamed her grandparents on it because she gave it to him.
- [42:13]
A
So is that how you got the house?
- [42:16]
D
Oh, that was how she got her house. That's where. And I live with my mom on like the other side of town.
- [42:22]
A
Okay. All right.
- [42:24]
D
If that makes sense.
- [42:25]
A
Yeah, that makes sense.
- [42:28]
D
Like she got that, she got her house from like her mother who, who passed away recently. And I, I went, moved in with her like maybe two years ago. And it's like the relationship like.
- [42:45]
A
So where are you, where are you gonna go now?
- [42:49]
D
Trying to get my own place. Trying to save up money while working this crazy job.
- [43:00]
A
Well, shit, man, I hope, I hope you, I hope you, I hope, I hope you have a good time as a wizard.
- [43:10]
D
I really do too. I gotta go do photography stuff. I hope you have an amazing day as a wizard. As a lizard. And I will be in the live stream listening.
- [43:20]
A
All right, man, you take care.
- [43:23]
D
You too, man.
- [43:26]
A
I think that guy was on acid. There's no live stream right now that's happening. This is offline. That was an interesting guy. Yeah, that was an interesting guy. He, he's got, he's got an id, he's got, he's got an interesting life. But he, he, that's the kind of guy that will always figure something out to keep moving forward. That's not a guy who lives in the past. That's a guy who puts on his wizard suit and goes out into the great beyond when things get dark.
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D
And now insights into TurboTax business.
- [44:09]
A
Jeresha, you went from engineering to selling $19 PDFs on Facebook Live. And now you're a full on business coach. What made you want to leave engineering,
- [44:17]
B
start your own business?
- [44:18]
C
I love my career, but somewhere along the way I realized that the American dream I had been sold of get the good degree, get the good job with good benefits and stay there for 30 years, just wasn't my dream. I grew up watching what happens when people don't have money to choose something different. They stay in relationships, jobs or situations that weren't good for them, maybe longer than they should because financial dependence took away those options. I started this business on the side to give myself more optionality and more choice. And what I discovered was that the same skills that made me a really great engineer, the systems thinking, the problem solving, that really translated well into entrepreneurship. I just had to learn how to apply them differently.
- [44:54]
A
How does working with a TurboTax expert fit into this bigger idea of not trying to business hack your way through everything alone?
- [45:00]
C
I think that when we think about business hacking, it's really just a sophisticated way of describing what happens when someone is too proud, too overwhelmed or too resource constrained to just ask, ask for real help. And I get it. I think all of us have been there at one point or another. What I have learned is that the fastest path forward almost always runs through someone who has already been where you're trying to go and an actual expert with real experience in your specific situation. And that's what TurboTax experts for business really allows you to have. They aren't generalists. They're matched to your industry. They have an average of 13 years of experience and they prepare, sign and file your taxes. You're available to them year round. It really gives you this peace of mind and assurance knowing that what needs to be done, that is a business requirement for you to have is being done properly and being done well.
- [45:46]
A
How can leaning on a TurboTax expert help them feel like they don't have to navigate all the complicated stuff alone?
- [45:50]
C
I would recommend someone to open up a separate bank account that is specifically for savings for taxes. I would also recommend that they go to turbotax.com business to connect with a
- [46:01]
D
TurboTax expert giving you the inside tips on your small business taxes.
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A
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A
Hello.
- [47:45]
D
How's it going? It's pretty late.
- [47:48]
A
It's going pretty chill with me. I'm in. I am in a different country right now, so. It is. Yeah, it's. I'm in. I'm in Japan. I'm in Japan. It's currently 6pm and where are you? Where are you?
- [48:09]
D
I'm in North Las Vegas, so it's currently 203am Interesting.
- [48:15]
A
So if you look outside, it's night and if I look outside, it's. It's evening. It's evening.
- [48:23]
D
6pm Is it the golden hour?
- [48:26]
A
Yeah, something like that. It's been pretty rainy here and cold and the. This is kind of the first day in a while that there's been a lot of sunshine and sun and it's been. And you can walk around with just a T shirt and not sweatshirt or
- [48:50]
D
a coat, Not a bunch of links.
- [48:53]
A
Yeah. Yeah. It feels really nice. It like. Dude, there's just this thing. It's like a cyclical thing. I think everyone. Everyone gets a little bit of seasonal depression and whatnot. But, dude, when it. You feel like a phoenix rising from the ashes, that. That first day of beautiful sunshine, you're like, wow, it's all. It's all gonna be okay, you know?
- [49:20]
D
I totally feel what you mean. You see the trees and the. And the leaves, and you're like, damn, life is not as bad as I thought.
- [49:27]
A
Totally, totally. You're like, oh, you can do it. You can be a part of the universe. You can do it.
- [49:34]
D
Yeah, if you try. Especially if you see a rainbow. Did you see one?
- [49:40]
A
No, I didn't see a rainbow. I've. That I've been seeing. They have the sakura flowers here. These, like the cherry blossoms.
- [49:51]
D
What are they called?
- [49:52]
A
They're called the chair. The cherry blossoms. They call them sakura here.
- [49:58]
D
And that's the name of a Fortnite skin.
- [50:01]
A
Is it really Sakura?
- [50:04]
D
Yeah, there's one there. It's like an anime.
- [50:07]
A
Is it. Was it. Look. What color is it? What's it look like?
- [50:11]
D
I think it's a girl and she's wearing a skirt. Okay. That's all I know.
- [50:16]
A
Okay. I was wondering if it was like a cherry blossom color. Do you play a lot of Fortnite?
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B
Not.
- [50:23]
D
I do. Fortnite is my game.
- [50:26]
A
How many hours of Fortnite are you Clocking a week.
- [50:30]
D
A week? Probably, like, recently. Maybe seven. Seven hours a week. You know, I play with my friend Serena sometimes. Cool. But usually I just play solos.
- [50:46]
A
Interesting. But playing video games online is actually. Is a way to make, like, real friends, which I find interesting.
- [51:00]
D
That is true. But it's really hard for me to make friends online as much as it is for real life. I just voice chat kind of scares me sometimes, but as I'm getting more used to just talking to random people, you know.
- [51:14]
A
But how old are you?
- [51:18]
D
I'm 19.
- [51:20]
A
Okay.
- [51:20]
D
Yeah. I turned 20 in. In a month on May 4th, so that's pretty cool.
- [51:27]
A
And you're in North Las Vegas?
- [51:31]
D
Yes, of Nevada. So I used to live in California, but I moved back in 2021, which was interesting. But, you know, I've gotten used to being here in the desert.
- [51:46]
A
Why are you awake at 2am I
- [51:50]
D
think it's 2am Yeah, 2:07am That's a good question. I just watched the movie, the Drama with my brother. So we just got back from that, and now I'm playing Last of Us. No. Which way?
- [52:02]
A
What movie?
- [52:04]
D
It's called the Drama with Zendaya and Robert Pattinson.
- [52:08]
B
Oh.
- [52:09]
A
Was it any good?
- [52:11]
D
It was very good. It was a romance type of movie, but it talked about very tough talk, like topics like mass shootings in a way that is very. It explores the human nature of almost doing something really bad but. But backing out of it.
- [52:33]
A
So it's a romantic movie about mass shootings?
- [52:39]
D
Yes, so to speak.
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B
Okay.
- [52:42]
D
Basically, Zendaya's character, Souls. She was gonna commit a mass shooting in her school when she was 15, but she backed out of it last second because something happened and she just decided not to. And she's in a relationship with this guy later in her life.
- [53:00]
A
Pattinson.
- [53:02]
D
Yes. His name is Charlie, the character. And through just a random interaction, he finds out that that happened to her and she never told him about it. So it kind of explores people's reactions to that type of thing and, like, analyzing whether unconditional love is still present even through those things.
- [53:22]
A
Dude, I love. I could have actually just sat here and listened to you explain the movie. I love watching movies by reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia and then not. Not seeing the movie. I've seen so many movies by just reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia. I might go and read the plot synopsis of, like, Game of Thrones on Wikipedia and I probably have, like, a good time, you know, like, you get the hang of the story. I guess you came Home from the drama. You go ahead. Okay.
- [54:00]
D
No, I've never read Wikipedia lots about movies. I like watching the movies instead of that.
- [54:06]
A
And you're. You're in a good camp. That's a good camp to be in, actually. The camp of actually watching the movie. I think that's the better camp to be in. But anyway.
- [54:17]
D
Well, it just interests me that you do that because, I mean, I feel like experiencing movies a lot different than
- [54:22]
B
reading a plot about it.
- [54:23]
D
And you. I think you know that. But true. It seems like. I mean, it's a lot easier to just read something about a. A movie. So I get it.
- [54:33]
A
You know, you got home from the drama.
- [54:36]
D
I did.
- [54:37]
A
And what did. Were you feeling emotional from it?
- [54:43]
D
I definitely felt touched by it because the acting was really, really good and convincing.
- [54:47]
A
Okay.
- [54:48]
D
But I didn't know how to do about it. I like to let movies kind of digest in my head mentally for the next few days after I watch one.
- [54:58]
A
What did your brother think?
- [55:01]
D
He thought a lot about it. He's really good with words and explaining stuff. He was, like, reading essays about it right after. Or articles about it. How are you?
- [55:17]
A
M. I'm okay. I'm living my life. But I have more questions for you. Give me your name one more time.
- [55:27]
D
My name is Nick. I never said it, but Nick.
- [55:30]
A
Nick. H. Okay, Let me ask you this. Was there a reason that you called in to this show? Because I'll tell you something. I. Sometimes I feel like. I. Sometimes I feel like I'm Like, I. I get to. I get to. I get too strict with how I want to run the show, and today I'm feeling.
- [56:02]
D
I'm feeling.
- [56:02]
A
I could. We could just talk about whatever.
- [56:05]
D
Yeah, but I would love that. I want to.
- [56:10]
A
In the event that you do have something in particular that you called in to want to talk about, I am all ears.
- [56:17]
D
Thank you. I appreciate that. And there is a reason I called. I saw your Instagram story, like, three minutes ago before calling, so I just said it, and I was gonna. I was gonna listen to you. The latest episode of your podcast just now, and then I saw that. So. A bit of a weird coincidence. You say you have a hard time with deciding how you want to run the show sometimes. Do you feel like that fluctuates a lot?
- [56:50]
A
You said you had something you wanted to talk about. Was the thing you wanted to talk about? Just that you saw me post about me. You saw me post the number on Instagram like, nick, not like I'm talking about. Like, I'm not talking about, like, the logistics of how you got here. I'm talking about if there was, like, a thing that you wanted to have a. Have a conversation about. It's okay if there's. It's okay if there's not. I just thought. I thought there. I thought you. I thought there was.
- [57:16]
D
No, I do not have. Didn't have anything in mind when I called, but the reason was that I thought you. Sorry.
- [57:25]
A
So you. You said sorry. I guess. I guess I'm reaching for a therapy thing here, but I am curious. I want to know. You said you have trouble making friends online and in real life, right?
- [57:43]
D
Well, I do have someone making friends in real life.
- [57:47]
A
How long. How long has this been? How long has this been an element of your life?
- [57:55]
D
For a while. I did mention how I moved to Nevada from California a while ago. I feel like that move and transferring to high school made it really hard for me to feel like I fit in. And when I was in high school, I didn't know anyone like I did before. Like, I had a whole friend dude before, but now I didn't, and it was like a whole new thing for me. And throughout high school, it always just felt like everything was so hard to do and like, I was in such a bubble, you know, and I just had. I had so much more opportunity. And I didn't realize that, but I feel like looking back on it, it's been a great lesson for, you know, showing me that I can literally do whatever I want. And, like, you know, I'm gonna use those opportunities better in the future to, like, actually talk to people and participate in things. And I feel like I could definitely make friends if I wanted to because I'm a cool cars being now, and I feel like I'm good at talking to people, but I just haven't been put in the right type of environment for that to happen to me. I guess, though, I'm not too worried about that aspect as I used to be of my life having fun.
- [59:14]
A
Also, good news. You actually don't even have to be that cool of a person to make friends.
- [59:20]
D
That's true. A lot of.
- [59:21]
A
There are plenty of and very uncool people who have lots of friends.
- [59:29]
D
I bet Hitler had a lot of friends.
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A
Hitler had so many. I wonder if he. I wonder if he had. I wonder if he had any friends. I don't know. Can you really, like, who gets. Who gets. How do you get close to a guy like that, you know, who was. Who was close to him because he probably had so many people under his command. People who feared him and people who were part of his whatever. Like. But, like, who got close to his heart. Like, did he ever open up to anyone? I don't think he ever. I don't know if he ever opened up to anyone. And if he. If he did. Did, like, did he open up to Ava Braun, you think?
- [60:17]
D
Yeah. Like, I wonder what that would look like, him speaking from his heart to, like, a therapist or something. Whatever a therapist would be back. Back then. Not to. Not to glorify Hitler or anything, but it's like, I feel like you could sit down with Hitler and have a cold beer, you know, and just chill.
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A
I don't think you. No, I don't think. I don't think he, like, a guy like that. That I don't think has. I think anyone who achieves that level of power of any kind, I don't think it is, like, that introspective enough of a person that they could open up about.
- [60:59]
D
Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
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A
I don't know. I don't know, though. I've thought about. Dude, I've had. Had. I've had fantasies before where, like I said, I sit down with Donald Trump and I'm like, what's. And I'm trying to, like, what's. What is all this? What's going on? And, like, why, like, get the answer? But I don't. I just have this feeling like, if that. If, like, someone tried to do that, he wouldn't. He would, like, wouldn't have the introspection to give the answer. So I don't know if Hitler could open up like that. I don't know.
- [61:41]
D
I get what he's saying. Because he did so much bad stuff, you feel like it wouldn't be capable for him to, like, you know, look at himself and really question what he's doing.
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A
I think that makes sense, I think, to carry. I think to be the chancellor of Germany in the 1940s requires you to be living externally, like, 100% of your waking existence. So I don't like Hitler. Like, Hitler is not in a room being, like, thinking about his behavior or thinking about the world or thinking about. Right. He's, like, in. He's kind. He's, like, in the zone a hundred percent of the time, doing this crazy strategy thing, not thinking about anything else. He's just, like, doing. And he's not. I don't even. I think so, like, being, like, a world leader or some shit. I feel like it's so much doing that you don't even have time to, like, think about what you're even fucking doing.
- [62:50]
D
Yeah.
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A
So I don't think I. I don't think. I mean, he wrote a book. I've never read the book, but I don't know if he was that introspective of a person. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he did have, like. Like, he wrote a book, but I think the book is just like. I don't. I hear. I don't know anything about the book, but I'm like, is it.
- [63:09]
D
I didn't know he.
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A
I don't know if it's like a. I don't know if it's like a Woody Allen neurotic, you know, monologue about the self. You know, it seems like, again, it's like, very external stuff.
- [63:23]
D
Yeah. I feel like a guy like him. I mean, to get to that point anywhere in the world, I feel like you. He was a smart guy for sure, you know, And I feel like. I heard he was on a lot of drugs for most of that time, so what you're saying makes sense. Just doing.
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A
Well, it's not about. Well, it's not about smart. I mean, smart. The word smart is like. There's a lot of.
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D
Right.
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A
I guess, different ways to define like. I don't. Like. I don't know if. I don't know if being strategic is smart. I don't. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know what we're talking about anymore.
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D
I enjoyed it.
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A
I think I really have had that. Yeah. I really have had that moment, though, where I'm like, I wish I could. I wish I was that good of a. A. I wish. I wish I was that good of a therapy gecko that I could, like, sit down with one of those guys. Like, what's really. Are you. What's really going on? I don't think I could do it, though. But I've had the fantasy.
- [64:24]
D
Yeah, that sounds intimidating.
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A
Nick
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D
Lyle.
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A
Okay, so you were in high school and you learned a lesson, and now you're the.
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B
From.
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A
From. What I remember you saying earlier, before we started talking about Hitler, is that
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D
you
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A
learned certain lessons of how you want to approach the future that you now aim to execute upon. Correct.
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B
Correct.
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A
Now, what do those executions look like?
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D
I'm going to CSN later this year, which is College of Southern Nevada. And I went there before, but I dropped out because I didn't like it. But I'm going back And I feel like I just have a lot of potential to socialize and make friends and just participate in stuff. So. Dude, college is one way I'm gonna do that also.
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A
Yeah. No, no, I'm. I feel like. I love. I. I had a. Actually, I had a really hard time making friends the first year of college. I remember my first year of college is really rough. It was really rough. And then. Well, I just did. I didn't really know where I fit in. Like, I tried pledging a frat, and I didn't like that. I didn't like those. I just did. It didn't feel right. I just felt like it was something you're, like, supposed to do. Yeah, I pledged a frat. Yeah.
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D
What does that mean? I mean, I know what a frat is, but to pledge one, does that mean just to join one or.
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A
Yeah, to, like, Joe. How do I explain? Like, you, like, you Jo. You. You kind of, like, show up to, like, parties and stuff, I think. And then, like, the people in the frat, like, deter. I don't know that much about frat culture. Yeah. They get to know you. They pick you. Yeah. Sometimes they make you. Sometimes they put something in your ass, but they didn't do that to me.
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D
Oh, they didn't.
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B
Damn it.
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A
No, I got hazed. There's this thing called bbyo. Yeah, it's kind of like a. It's like a Jewish frat. There's a lot of, like, cat Christian versions of it, too. But, yeah, it's like. There's, like, Jewish youth organization, and it's kind of like a fraternity, but it's high school, and I. I got hazed getting into that. They poured, like, candle wax.
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D
Really?
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A
Down my. Yeah, down my. Down my back. Was it hot? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was pretty hot. You in a room. Yeah. Yeah, they put you in a room. By the way, this is. This is not reflect. I'm not. I'm not trying. Listen, listen. I'm not trying to. On the B' Nai Brith Youth Organization. I'm just telling you what happened right there.
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D
Gangster.
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A
They're cool folks. I don't know. It's a fun time. Whatever.
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D
I see you, but.
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A
Yeah. Did I consent to that?
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D
Yeah, I mean.
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A
I mean, I pledged, whatever that means.
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D
So it's kind of like a contract. You could say, you know, pledge your allegiance to the. The group you're joining.
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A
I. It's hard to explain. It's hard to explain. Pledge, if you don't. If you don't. I'm getting. I'M actually, I'm getting, I'm getting a little off track here, but I'm sorry.
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D
Go ahead.
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A
No, it's your fault. Yeah, I had a hard time making friends in college. I joined, I tried to pledge this fret. I was trying to make friends with people on my floor and I, my roommate, I was in a room with three other dudes and they all kind of came in from a different high school and a bunch of their high school friends all went to the same college. So I was kind of like this new background character in the lives of these, like, high school guys. And I liked a lot of them, but also a lot of them. I just wasn't. I just felt like, it really felt like I was hanging out with other people's friends, you know, like, it wasn't. I wanted to be part of something that was emerging from the ground up and then I was. But instead I was thrusted into a culture that was, that was not mine to create, but mine to learn. And I wasn't interested in that. And then I was. I started playing Super Smash Brothers. And I didn't want to be friends with any of those guys, but I like, it was nice being around them, you know, Actually I met a. I made a couple of good friends doing that. I take back. I didn't want to be friends with those guys. I, it was a good culture to be around. There's a good culture to be around.
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D
Yeah, I, I get that. It can be just being thrust into something like you said, you know, rather than just being there from the beginning.
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A
And then it wasn't until I, I started, like, I started doing more. I, I was doing stand up comedy when I was like in high school. And then I started just doing it again just around Philadelphia. And then through that I made a bunch of friends that were like, felt like, oh, these are my, like, homies. But that it took two years to get there. So anyway, my, my kind of cautionary
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D
thing is don't join a Jewish fed.
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A
Don't join a Jew. Well, I mean, whatever, but.
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D
No, no, I'm just kidding.
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A
Yeah, just join a club, man. Join. Join a thing that you like to do. What do you like to do?
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D
I like, I like, I like going on runs. I run a lot.
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A
Oh, join a run club. Do a run club. People love run clubs.
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D
I hear that. I hear they're also really horny. I don't know how true that is, but that like runners, when they join clubs.
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A
I have, I have heard that. Yes, I have. I, that I have heard That I
- [71:21]
D
have heard that I can't comment on it. I like parkour. Like, when I run, I jump off of poles. Not poles. That's crazy.
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A
But, like, dude, you're elevated. Dude. What? Nick. Your name is.
- [71:38]
D
Yes, Nicholas. Nick Agrifri.
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A
Dude, dude, you gotta. You gotta. You gotta join. You have to. You either have to join or create the. The CSN Parkour club.
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D
That's. Yeah, I thought that's a thing. I mean. Oh, yeah, I think you say it. On what? Creating a club. That is. That sounds creative.
- [72:05]
A
What did you say? It sounds tough. Yeah, it's the. It's. It is the absolute best way to make friends. It is the apps. If you're listening. Dude, if you're listening to this podcast right now in your college and, like, I don't have any friends, it is the best possible way to make friends. Like, it is a cheat code. It will work 100 of the time. I swear. It just will work. Because if you, like, again, because if you, like, show up to, like, another club or whatever, another thing, you kind of feel. Again, it feels like you're. It's like there's, like, a culture that you're not, like, a part of, but if you join, if you, like, create the club and then, like, other people, like, it's. It's just way easier to make people
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D
help you build it.
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A
Yeah. And you. And you feel like you're in your own universe that you're creating, and so you're a little bit less. Alieny feeling.
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D
Yeah, that sounds badass.
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A
Have everyone sign a waiver, though, because you might have a couple kids die running off the, you know, roofs and stuff.
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D
Yeah, that's like a trial period, though, so that doesn't really count.
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A
Yeah.
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D
I have a question for you.
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A
Okay, hit me.
- [73:23]
D
Have you ever played the Last of Us video Games?
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A
I started playing it for a little bit, and then I got stuck on this one level, and then I was like, I don't want to play this anymore.
- [73:32]
D
Which level?
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A
I. I don't. As soon as they started, like, introducing enemies.
- [73:38]
D
Really?
- [73:39]
A
Yeah. Yeah. Because here's the thing. There's a. I have a lot of those video games. Like, if your video game has a part in it that's, like, hard to get past, not because it's challenging, but because it's, like, annoying and stupid and not fun. I don't. I have no interest in continuing to play your video game.
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D
I feel you. But I think that's where strategy comes in to play, you know, and stealthing your way around enemies and the environment.
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A
I was interested in it. I wasn't interested. Do you play a lot of. Do you play a lot of other video games besides Fortnite?
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D
I play Fortnite. I play mostly story based games. Like.
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A
Okay.
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D
I grew up with those kind of games like the Walking Dead, Telltale, Life is Strange, I love a lot.
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A
What are your three favorite video games of all time?
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D
Life is Strange, the Walking Dead, season one, Telltale and. Damn, Bro. What's the third? I can't just say. Anyone Give me a second.
- [74:55]
A
Are you sifting through something right now?
- [74:57]
D
Yeah, I'm looking through my, my PlayStation 5 because I. Oh, I heard the.
- [75:02]
A
I heard the little say, I heard the sound in the background.
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D
My third game. Okay. The Life is Strange, the Walking Dead season one and it. The Last of Us 2.
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A
The Last of Us 2? Yeah. I can't get. I. I can't get through the Last of us.
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D
Actually. It's a very linear type of game. Do you prefer more open world type of things like Elden Ring?
- [75:32]
A
No, I have no. I would hate to play Elden Ring. I don't like, like. No. I hate open worlds.
- [75:37]
D
That is one of those things that's
- [75:38]
A
really hard because I don't. I want. See, I use video games as an escape from having to make decisions in real life. And so I want a video game to be like the more linear the better. Right. And I love. I love open world games that give you the option to do all their random, but they also give you the option to not do all their random and just play through the main story. You know, like a. Like, you know, Grand Theft Auto or Red Dead. They. They have great philosophies for how they run their games.
- [76:25]
D
Yeah, there's a lot of freedom in it. They got this, a game that reminds me of Horizon, Forbidden West. It's a game about machines that kind of take over the world. And you can choose to do the main story or a bunch of other things in the world and it's really cool.
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A
Horizon, Forbidden West.
- [76:44]
D
Yeah, it's the second part.
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A
Whoa.
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B
Claire Aloy.
- [76:49]
D
That's my girl. Whoa.
- [76:52]
A
This guy. I don't like games where like the main character looks all serious.
- [76:57]
D
She's very serious.
- [76:59]
A
Yeah. I don't know why I can't. I'm sure, yeah, this game looks a little serious.
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D
People. No, I don't know.
- [77:09]
A
I like, like what the have I been playing? I tried playing Metal Gear. I tried replaying Metal Gear Solid for a second. That was
- [77:18]
D
what. I've never played Metal Gear. You never saw never I've seen the one of the deaths from one of the old games. My brother used to love it. But no, I never played it. Is it linear?
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A
Nick?
- [77:37]
D
Hello? It's been 31 minutes and five seconds.
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A
31 minutes. Nick. I'm gonna. I'm gonna let you go.
- [77:49]
D
Okay. Thank you for setting me free.
- [77:54]
A
Yeah, of course, of course.
- [77:55]
D
Go ahead. Go ahead.
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A
But before, before, before I do.
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D
Not that I wanted to be set.
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B
Set free.
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D
I really enjoy talking to you, but go ahead.
- [78:02]
A
Talking to you today. Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
- [78:07]
D
Life is strange.
- [78:10]
A
It is.
- [78:11]
D
It is. So enjoy it.
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A
Bye, Nick.
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D
Bye, Lyle. Have a good day.
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