AFTERPARTY (FREE EDITION) - TMT 154 - Sydney Sweeney's Jeans Redux

Summary

Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500

Episode: AFTERPARTY (FREE EDITION) - TMT 154 - Sydney Sweeney's Jeans Redux
Date: December 28, 2025
Host(s): Pearlmania500 (Mr. P) and Mrs. P

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Episode Overview

The final episode of 2025 is a special "Afterparty" edition—typically reserved for the podcast's Patreon community—where the husband-and-wife duo respond to YouTube and Patreon comments from their recent Sydney Sweeney episode. The show features their signature mix of pop culture snark, internet lore, and offbeat tangents, all delivered with a dose of millennial domestic banter. This episode is a “present” to listeners as they head into a brief January break.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Afterparty Format & Listener Engagement (01:33–04:32)

• Explains that afterparties are usually paywalled Patreon perks: responding directly to comments, riffing with listeners, and providing deeper or more unfiltered reflections.
• Goal: showcase the tight—and admirably well-informed—Too Many Tabs community, whose comments often add "a whole other tab" of context.
• “[Our] commenters on all platforms are incredibly well informed. They have so much more information than we do. It’s like opening a whole other tab.” – Mrs. P (04:12)

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Sydney Sweeney Discourse: Recap, PR Stumbles, and Denim Drama

Flags at Half-Mast & Cultural Oddities (04:56–05:54)

• Comment about flags being at half-mast for Dick Cheney sparks a riff on political symbolism, ending with a gleeful:
  “Dick Cheney is still dead. And he’s not coming back. Like a haunt of Christmas.” – Mrs. P (05:45)

The GQ Interview & Media Management (05:56–07:18)

• Commentary on Sydney Sweeney’s notorious GQ interview:
  • Listeners point out that Sweeney’s PR team “chose” a softball interviewer to avoid real questions—not even Vanity Fair “would get in your ass, yo.”
  • Notable moment:
    “All you have to do is just say you don’t like eugenics. And she couldn’t. She couldn’t do it.” – Pearlmania500 (07:02)
  • Discussion of Sweeney’s “mean girl” expressions and right-wing meme adoption.

"Tabbing" as a Podcast Verb (08:01–08:43)

• Listener suggests “tabbed” as Pearlmania500’s version of “based.”
  • “You tabbed on the Oprah episode.” – Mr. P
  • Mrs. P describes researching with dozens (or hundreds) of open tabs—often fueled by Rival Brothers coffee.

Sweeney’s Career & PR Tactics (17:34–21:47)

• Sweeney's ongoing film flops and awkward attempts at damage control:
  • Amanda Seyfried’s anti-racist PR pivot compared to Sweeney’s fence-sitting.
  • Breakdown of Sweeney’s post-GQ People magazine statement:
    • “[Her statement is] so that the MAGA community could be like, no, see, she’s anti-woke people... But it’s also giving an opportunity for people on the left... to say, look, she actually isn’t pro-eugenics anyway.” – Mrs. P (20:13)
    • “Girl, you’re giving us nothing and you’re still going.” – Mr. P (21:20)
  • General disgust at non-apology apologies.

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Hallmark Movies, Ideological Coding, and Nostalgia Traps (11:48–15:40)

• Listener notes Sweeney is drifting into “Hallmark Christmas movie actress” territory; being MAGA-coded is poor box office.
  • “Girl just became a new Hallmark Christmas movie actress. Being MAGA coded is not a recipe for a box office draw.” – Lilith the Feral (11:48)
• Discussion of Hallmark's “blue town” nostalgia and how its settings are often (ironically) liberal strongholds.
• “Every Hallmark movie is just a remake of the Reese Witherspoon Sweet Home Alabama movie.” – Mrs. P (14:14)
• Reassessment of problematic older films that "have not aged well"—using Sweet Home Alabama and Scrubs as examples.

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Department Store Lore and Middle-Class Fashion

The Magic of Boscov's and Kohl's (22:51–29:22)

• Commenters revel in the weird, liminal, unchanging space that is Boscov’s.
• “When I walk into a Boscov’s, can I tell you, the nostalgia for me goes off the chart.” – Mr. P (24:40)
• Mrs. P celebrates Kohl’s cash and admits to joy at being "mom-coded" in Kohl’s, leaning into suburban comfort.
• Distinction drawn between Walmart/Target (grocery stores with clothes) and Boscov’s/Kohl’s (clothing stores with home goods).

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Jeans, Dye History, and Funky Fashion Facts (32:16–35:29)

• Deep dive into classic fabric dyes, sparked by expert listener comments:
  • Tyrian purple: made from sea snails. “It would take 10,000 snails to make one robe” – Mark Bobbles7104 (32:28)
  • Indigo vs. woad vs. lapis lazuli: lapis used for painting, not textiles; rare, single-mine origin in Afghanistan.
  • Listeners expand on textile labor lore, the stinky cost of luxury dyes, and divorce laws for the malodorous.

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Offbeat Brand Collabs and Sweeney’s Ubiquity

Baskin-Robbins Collab Flop (36:03–42:16)

• Patreon listener (an actual Baskin-Robbins GM!) reports firsthand on Sweeney’s rainbow sherbet promo:
  • No meaningful increase in traffic—just strange drinks with sherbet, soda (“Starry”), and gummy bears.
  • Mrs. P: “Sherbet is delicious… but I don’t know why the idea of a chocolate dipped waffle cone and sherbet doesn’t sound good to me.”
  • Mr. P’s root beer float analogy briefly wins the flavor debate.
• Sweeney’s face is reportedly all over Sephora as a “brand-safe” ambassador for multiple product lines.

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Politics, Schools, and Local Culture Wars (46:07–49:17)

• Destiny (Patreon): shares story of an Oklahoma teacher fired for sharing QR codes to banned books.
  • “She is now suing our state, as she should… She was wearing a shirt that said ‘education is activism’… and all the Karen’s were losing their shit… And I’m like, girl, where are they supposed to be then?” – Destiny (46:31)
  • Hosts emphasize that public schools are inherently political, and that curriculum choices are always ideological:
    “They become history when they happen to two generations prior to you. That’s when it becomes history.” – Mr. P (48:03)

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Food, Race, and White Supremacy in Everyday Life (43:32–45:03)

• Listener (a former pastry chef) explains: white sugar isn’t vegan due to filtration through animal bone char, and bleached flour is truly “bleached.”
  • “White supremacy is literally in everything. Even your food.” – Chiropractor_Killed_My_Dad (44:15)
• Mrs. P’s friend Ms. Rachel taught her about animal byproducts in sugar.

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4chan, Twitter, and Internet Decay (59:16–61:35)

• Commenters debate whether Twitter is now as bad as 4chan “/b/” was in the mid-2000s.
  • Mr. P explains the “clockwork orange” effect of the original 4chan bleakness—now mainstreamed on Twitter.
  • “The stuff that was quarantined there... has now been normalized. So the people who were doing that shit... are now doing it openly on Twitter and then hanging out with Congress people or working for them.” – Mr. P (60:41)

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Housekeeping, Platform Tips & Listener Community (Various)

• Patreons get ad-free YouTube versions; private comment threads exist just for them.
• Instructions on pulling RSS feeds for preferred podcast apps.
• Shout-outs to listeners who send mail, art, and to viewers who just brighten their year.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Dick Cheney is still dead. And he’s not coming back. Like a haunt of Christmas.” – Mrs. P (05:45)
• “All you have to do is just say you don’t like eugenics. And she couldn’t.” – Pearlmania500 (07:02)
• “Girl just became a new Hallmark Christmas movie actress. Being MAGA coded is not a recipe for a box office draw.” – Lilith the Feral (11:48)
• “We’re gonna come back without Dick Cheney, because he’s still dead.” – Pearlmania500 (62:43)

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Featured Segments & Timestamps

• Afterparty Format & Purpose: 01:33–04:32
• Sydney Sweeney GQ Interview/PR: 05:55–07:18; 17:44–21:47
• Hallmark Movies & Hollywood Coding: 11:48–15:40
• Department Store Lore: 22:51–29:22
• Dye/Jeans & Textile History: 32:16–35:29
• Baskin-Robbins Collab: 36:03–42:16
• Politics in Education: 46:07–49:17
• Food & White Supremacy Tangent: 43:32–45:03
• 4chan vs. Twitter Debate: 59:16–61:35

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Tone & Delivery

Pearlmania500 and Mrs. P mix biting Internet culture critique with working-class Philly warmth, proud nerdery, and marital banter, frequently riffing on listener tangents and opening new conversational tabs at will. The episode maintains an engaged, slightly chaotic, and highly participatory tone, drawing energy from the commentariat and rewarding long-time listeners with recurring bits and in-jokes.

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Why Listen?

If you want a whip-smart, sidewinding journey through pop culture, politics, denim history, and retail nostalgia, all laced with listener commentary and the warmth of a real couple’s dynamic, this episode is a prime holiday treat and an excellent Too Many Tabs sampler.

Transcript

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[B]

It's the last episode of 2025. A terrible year. Which is why we want to give you a special present to all of our Too many Tabs listeners. This is not just a party, it's an after party. Right, Mrs. P?

[A]

Yes, absolutely.

[B]

And what do we do in the after party?

[A]

We close the blinds, we take the phone off the hook, and we lay out all the comments that people have left under YouTube.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then we talk. We talk about them, we respond. Maybe we tell a little bit. We get pretty parasocial back here.

[B]

We get this is our parasocial Pearl Maniac podcast that is paywalled on our Patreon. But we're giving you a little taste for free because Mrs. P knew exactly what you all needed to close out this year and that was to talk just a little bit More shit on Sydney Sweeney.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And here we are, Mrs. P. We're going to do the after party, which you can typically only hear at Pearl Mania. Pearl Mania. Pearl Mania500.net that's right. This is a free episode of the After Party. It is a fun thing we do every single week. Typically audio only. Yes, it's usually. Only.

[A]

We don't usually do this on film.

[B]

No, we don't usually do it on camera.

[A]

Yeah, that's right. I had to put on a whole beat for this.

[B]

She put on a whole face. I combed my hair.

[A]

You wore eye patches today.

[B]

I did. I put on. She. She got me cold gel eye patches for Christmas. And she was like, you're going to put these on and then you're going to feel good. And then she put a ported iced coffee down my gullet. And she goes, we have one last episode.

[A]

And then I put on the Muppet Christmas Carol soundtrack.

[B]

Yes, you did.

[A]

I said, we're going to sing and then we're going to. We're going to record an after party for the people.

[B]

Yes. Because this is our last episode of the year. Just so you guys know, typically we don't do episodes around this time. No, we usually kind of busy.

[A]

We got holidays, we got birthdays, we got a toddler. Yeah.

[B]

There's a lot that's usually happening. So what we're going to do is we're going to take a couple of weeks off in early January, and when we come back, you guys will know. Yeah, you guys will know. But when we do come back, we'll come back doing after an after party first.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that will be a reaction to an episode. And this week, what we're doing is we have pulled comments. Mrs. P specifically has pulled comments from the Sydney Sweeney. Too many tabs episode.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And she has brought them from the past here to the present. Like a ghost of Christmas past.

[A]

Yeah. It was four weeks ago.

[B]

It was four weeks ago.

[A]

A month ago we posted that episode. Guess what? She's still in the news, still doing her dumb shit.

[B]

She's still being stupid. It never ends. But also the other thing, though, is what we find from these comments is not only stuff about the episode itself, but just random things that you guys bring up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we're excited.

[A]

A lot of the times. Our commenters on all platforms are incredibly well informed.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They have so much more information than we do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like opening a whole other tab.

[B]

It is, it is. And that's the reason why we wanted to pull this forward and throw this out to you guys so that way you all can get a chance to feel what an after party is like.

[A]

Yeah. And so that maybe you want to join us over on Promenade500.net using our new code Project 2026 to get 30% off an annual subscription for all of next year.

[B]

Now I'm done. Hard selling. Let's just comment on. I know you're not. You're even wearing Miscellaneous Immorality Merch as a sweatshirt right now just to show that off. But let's go and start with the first comment.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. And I will go ahead and read it here.

[A]

You're going to read it?

[B]

Yeah, I'm going to read it because you pulled it. And this is from NC Mullins VA on YouTube. And NC Mullins remarked, they must not have put the flags down where you're at. But we have half flag, half staff flags in my area of Tennessee. Why? Because Dick Cheney is still dead. That's right, baby. Dick Cheney is still dead. When we recorded this episode, it was during that weird type of time where the government was still shut down. It was before John Fetterman and a bunch of other bags of shit cross the aisle. And so some places, some states had their flags at half mast for Dick Cheney. Federally, they didn't. For whatever reason.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It didn't catch up until a little bit later. So there's this weird moment where people were like, are we supposed to care about this guy? I don't even think Republicans like him anymore. But I just want to remind you guys, Dick Cheney is still dead.

[A]

Yeah. And he's not coming back. Like a haunt of Christmas.

[B]

No.

[A]

To warn anybody else.

[B]

No, he is not. He is. He's gone. Goodbye.

[A]

All right, let's do the next comment.

[B]

Okay, you go ahead.

[A]

Okay. Jackson, JJP commented at the 20 minute mark that interviewer probably got that interview because she's bad at her job. No way Sydney's team would have had her sit down with someone who would have actually asked real questions.

[B]

That is. No. Well, the thing is, is they were. That was a.

[A]

Who was that with gq?

[B]

That was a gq. It was not a Vanity Fair view. No. Vanity. No. Get in your ass, yo. Vanity Fair. Yeah. She was nowhere. She was going to be near a Vanity Fair photographer. Throw a picture of Carolyn. Leave it. That is just such a great image in general. But yeah, the G. I mean, they were expecting a softball. This did feel, you know, as a lot of people were commenting at the time, especially even our comments. Yeah. People like they were trying desperately to give her a softball interview.

[A]

Oh, my God. They tried so hard. They laid out opportunities for her to. To answer the questions and clear her name, and she never took them. It was like watching a little kid swing a wiffle ball bat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then just be like, I don't want to, and then walk away. Yeah.

[B]

At a T ball. Yeah. They literally put. It was a tee ball. And you're like, no, all you have to do is just say you don't like eugenics. And she couldn't.

[A]

She couldn't do it.

[B]

And it was so amazing. And. And also then they tried to meme the interviewer and all these other different things that were happening in there.

[A]

The only meme is her. The picture of her face. Face. After you can see her, her micro expressions fall into, like, this hardball, mean girl look.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like, that's. The meme is like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And the Nazis tried to use it for a little bit there, but yeah.

[A]

No.

[B]

Thank you, Jack C. JJP for that comment. Yet reading through, there was so many about this. A lot of. Because the episode was actually about jeans.

[A]

Yeah. It's about how you truly. About denim jeans.

[B]

Yes. Sydney Sweeney is the intro to get to the jeans part.

[A]

Because that's how the podcast works.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Something happens and then I get lost in the Internet for a while.

[B]

Yes. Well, and that's the thing is actually Jesse Henderson Productions wrote a comment.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And that said, can the term tabbed be this podcast version of based?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think that. I think because you've been tabbing pretty.

[A]

Hard, I get really tabbed.

[B]

You tabbed on the Oprah episode.

[A]

Yeah, you tabbed really hard.

[B]

The Macy's episode is probably our most tabbed episode. Yeah, it was.

[A]

You know, I think is the. What happened is during this episode, the Sydney Sweeney. The Sydney Sweeney episode, I also promoed a bunch of coffee we got from Rival Brothers. Right.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I've been deep, deep in the Rival brothers coffee game. And this has fueled the tabs.

[B]

It has.

[A]

Okay. Has I had six bags of coffee I've been going through, and suddenly I'm like, guys, 400 tabs later, what can I tell you?

[B]

The other thing that's happened in this year in particular, especially in the last couple of months, and we've talked about this a few times. We've, like. We've, like, alluded to it a little. Ever since I started crashing out with Phil DeFranco.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That has actually alleviated pressure in my brain. So when you Come to me. You're like, I want to do a whole episode about Sydney Sweeney and the history of jeans.

[A]

And I was like, sure, okay, whatever.

[B]

I'm like, all right, I'm over here. I'm building my Epstein board, baby. You're like. You're like, no. Okay.

[A]

It's like walking into a room where a Lego adult is putting a Lego together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm just like, hey, I'm going to go do something. You're like, yeah, yeah, whatever, man.

[B]

I decided to smoke a drink.

[A]

And you're measuring string.

[B]

Yeah. You walk in, you're like, I'm going to smoke an entire turkey. All right. I'm not going to. Okay, sure. I have Legos. Yeah.

[A]

I'm very busy. Also, I saw. Did. Is this true? I had heard on the Internet that Matt Groening is on the Epstein list.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

From the Simpsons.

[B]

Guys in the Simpsons added to the board and Noam Chomsky on the board, there's a picture of Noam Chomsky and Steve Bannon together at the Epstein mansion in New York. I know, I know. Read theory, folks.

[A]

They're definitely going to the declare of war.

[B]

I mean, listen, we are. To be. To be fair to everybody, we're pre recording this a little bit.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

So we don't know if we've already.

[A]

Recording this on December 18th.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So 10 days from now, it's supposed to go live.

[B]

I don't know if we've done the Christmas Venezuela war yet. No, I have no idea.

[A]

It. Please don't do it.

[B]

Yeah, but I mean, you know, Dick Cheney is still dead, so it would be funny to have a war for oil pushed by wmd.

[A]

Maybe he is going to come back and haunt them.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Instead of being like, hey, you should become a better person, Ebenezer. He's gonna be like, hey, but what if we started another war royal?

[B]

He's the. He's the ghost of war. He's the ghost of imperialist wars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For oil aggression past.

[A]

He's. He's not like what? Jacob Marley. He's not like Jacob. Wait, did I tell you that thing about the Marleys from the Muppet Christmas Carol?

[B]

Okay. All right, go ahead.

[A]

Okay. So in the original book.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's Jacob Marley. There's one ghost. There's one ghost, Jacob Marley, who comes to warn Ebenezer Scrooge.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But in the Muppet Christmas Carol, the only real Christmas carol movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's two. Because the guys. There's two of them. Yeah.

[B]

Statler and Waldorf. Playing.

[A]

They have to have two of them. So then the writers with the Jim Henson team were like, okay, so what are we gonna name them? And they're like, well, who's the most famous Marley. Bob Marley. Which is why they named him Robert Marley. Jacob and Robert Marley. So. Because it's Bob Marley.

[B]

God.

[A]

And I learned that from the Internet. And that's why sometimes I like the Internet. Except for when you try to explain 4chan to me.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I think that comes up in these.

[B]

I think that does come up.

[A]

Let me read another comment.

[B]

Yeah. This one is from lilith the feral, 1896. I love the. That's the thing. The other thing, too. We. We're not doing shout outs in this episode. Typically at the end of the after party. Would you join our Patreon? We do a big list of Patreon name shout outs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we. There's more lore drops and everything else in there. But also just some people are just so good at making.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Lilith the feral.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Is an incredible name. Yep. This is from YouTube. Go ahead, you can read it.

[A]

Girl just became a new Hallmark Christmas movie actress. Being MAGA coded is not a recipe for a box office draw.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

And she called this. She said what?

[B]

Yeah, she called it. She pointed it Lilith the Ferrell. You nailed this months ago.

[A]

And I. I'm personally, I'm not a Hallmark movie girly.

[B]

My dad is.

[A]

Your dad is a Hallmark movie girl?

[B]

My dad is a Hallmark movie girl. And the thing is, is, like, he. There's something he. He likes to say. Well, first thing, my dad loves sweet and low.

[A]

Yeah, he loves.

[B]

All right. He loves saccharine sweet. Saccharine sweet is my dad's, like, preset. But on top of that, there is. I understand it, because there is a nostalgia bait trap that exists around Hallmark movies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know, Sydney Sweeney will be perfect for that. She'll be perfect for doing her little MAGA movies.

[A]

Yeah. Sure.

[B]

They're always very heavily for hometown.

[A]

Yeah. And meet a guy who never left her hometown. And leave the executive who's running a Fortune 500 company behind, even though he paid for her entire college education. Master's degree. But he's going to. She's going to leave him for the podunk guy.

[B]

The guy who is Chris Pratt coated.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's always just the guy who's Chris Pratt goated. It's just a guy in a flannel. And he was like, oh, yeah, my name. I'm Jim. I run the Christmas tree farm. It's the harvest festival. We all know it's the same script every single time. Which is fine. It's fine. Yeah. The thing is, that's crazy about Hallmark movies is they're almost always describing towns that actually are blue.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Like, every time you go onto the web and they'll show you, like, an image. Right. They'll show like, this is what the wolks have stolen from you. And it's like a perfect small town. Norman Rockwell style.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Small town with American flags and white picket fences in a main street.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, yeah, that's in New England. That's a town in New England that refused to let big box stores move into their area. That's a town that made sure that they had, like, proper zoning.

[A]

Yeah. That's a town where every white, older white woman is, like, out in the streets fighting ice.

[B]

Yeah. That's a town. That's a town that has the hate, has no home here.

[A]

Every lawn flag.

[B]

Every lawn flag is out. That's it. That's a town of resist libs. Yeah. Like, this is not even like. Like, somehow this town is used. This town is horseshoe theory coded in the way where you're like, wait, hold on. What do you mean that the people here are hated by everyone? Like, if you actually went to the town.

[A]

Also, the thing about Hallmark movies that I've always thought is that every Hallmark movie is just a remake of the Reese Witherspoon Sweet Home Alabama movie.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They were like, this is Sweet Home Alabama, which, by the way, watching it back because it came out. I watched it recently on tv and I was like, oh, yeah, I remember this movie. And she outed her friend, and it's bad when you watch it. You're like, oh, Reese, no, wait.

[B]

As a.

[A]

There's like a gay character, and they go out and play pool when she comes home to visit everybody. And in front of everybody in the small town where he still lives, she's like, yeah, but you're gay and you've been hiding it. Oh, it's like this big. And then, like, it's just, like, laughed. Like, they're like, oh, that wasn't cool, man. But, like, in the real world, that is the most fucked up thing you can do in that situation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she does it and then just moves on in the story.

[B]

And.

[A]

And I was watching. I was like, oh, oh, all right.

[B]

Here's the one thing I'll do a little bit on.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The tiniest thing on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is. This is just like the TV show Scrubs where it's like you have watched. You can't. No, you can't watch it. In today's brain. No, you can't. There are certain shows where you're like, okay, you'll sit down. You're like, this is good. This is fine. And then a scene happens. You're like, oh, no.

[A]

When that movie came out, we're like, look, an openly gay character.

[B]

Yay.

[A]

Look at her. But also we were like, now you watch. And you're like, no.

[B]

But also it's one of those things where it's like, in that, in that. No, no, no. She's. She's. It's exposure therapy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's pushing him and telling him it's okay because she lives in the big city where. And look at her. She's pushing back against small town, small mindedness.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then he was actually, I think by the end of the episode, the end of the movie. Right. He's fine.

[A]

And he's like, so.

[B]

Yeah. Because. Oh, she was actually right about this. Yeah. Even though, didn't she? With Matthew McConaughey in that. Who is the guy?

[A]

It's. It's some very. It's a Matthew McConaughey knockoff.

[B]

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[A]

I wanted to bring up, since we're talking about the hallmark ification of Cindy Sweeney and how her career is floundering when it comes to movies. Her career is floundering.

[B]

Yeah. Because we talk about in the episode, all of her movies are bombing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And even since that episode came out.

[A]

More movies have bombed.

[B]

She's had another movie come out to the point one with Amanda Seyfried. Yeah. Where Amanda Seyfried has had to literally go hard the opposite direction. Amanda Seafood was like, fudge. Charlie Kirk, he was a racist. And they're like, whoa. And they tried to cancel Amanda Seyfried.

[A]

She's like.

[B]

Now she's been out here posting hard on her Instagram, being like, yeah, I think socialism is probably the answer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're like, huh. So then they have to have Amanda Sey free doing tiktoks with Sydney Sweeney.

[A]

And cities when he looks pissed. And all of them.

[B]

All of them.

[A]

But she had to release a PR statement.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

With People magazine.

[B]

And this is after the Labubu 67 moment on Jimmy Fallon, which I can't believe I have to say that.

[A]

What did you just fucking say?

[B]

I just said dumb things out loud.

[A]

But I wanted to read it to you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because I read it, and the one thing I noticed about this statement, because it's not an apology, is. It's just a statement.

[B]

It's just a statement.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because it's a PR statement.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That she released.

[A]

It was part of a People magazine interview.

[B]

Got it. So this is not a video to camera.

[A]

No.

[B]

This is not a radio interview.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

This is a statement from. That was then published into a magazine.

[A]

Out of a magazine interview type of deal.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Okay. It says, quote, I was honestly surprised by the reaction. I did it because I love the jeans and love the brand.

[B]

Times. Yeah. What she's repeating here is the reaction to the American Eagle thing. Because somebody's going to listen to this, like, two years from now, and they're like, reaction to what?

[A]

All right. This episode was about the jeans ad.

[B]

Yeah. This is about the Sydney Sweeney American Eagles jeans. Yeah. And I just. I don't want that context collapse to happen in the future. So we're going to. Let's restart the statement. But this is her now after the. After the GQ interview.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Coming back and now where she said, like, my art stands on its own now actually making a statement kind of about that. Jeans are. Go ahead.

[A]

Okay. I was honestly surprised by the reaction. I did it because I love the jeans and love the brand.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't support the views. Some people chose to connect with the campaign. Many have assigned motives and labels to me that just aren't true. Okay. So I just want to point out many have assigned motives and labels to me. So again, she's putting the onus on the people that are like, hey, this is like very eugenics coded.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She also said, I don't support the views. Some people chose to connect with the campaign. She doesn't support the views of the people who are saying this looks like eugenics. It's.

[B]

But, but that's the thing. That's the thing. Yeah, that's the thing. She hasn't told us what views she. That. That some people.

[A]

But that's the whole. What I'm getting at is I. The way that this is written is so that the MAGA community could be like, no, see, she's anti woke people. Because this is. This is making the wokes the bad guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For assigning motives. And that's what the wokes do. They just assign motives. But they're the bad guys.

[B]

But it's also giving an opportunity for people on the left who maybe liked Sydney Sweeney to say, look, she actually isn't pro eugenics anyway.

[A]

Let's get to the rest of it.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Anyone who knows me, which we don't. We don't, knows that I always try to bring people together.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

I am against hate and divisiveness.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

In the past, my stance has been to never respond to negative or positive press. But recently I have come to realize that my silence regarding this issue has only widened the divide, not closed it.

[B]

Time. What issue? You haven't even stated the issue yet. This is so. This is so nothing.

[A]

She's.

[B]

Girl, you're giving us nothing and you're still going. Okay, keep going.

[A]

So I hope this new year brings more focus on what connects us instead of what divides us.

[B]

We need unity, folks. We need unity. And that's what this is about. We need to be unified with my beliefs, my feelings. That's what we need. We need the unity. Unity.

[A]

I like that. She's like, my stance has never been to respond to negative or positive press. Bitch, you're telling Me? You've never responded to positive press.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I have decided to be a literal mannequin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I am a mannequin. Please assign to me whatever beliefs you have or have not.

[A]

How dare you? The movie Mannequin.

[B]

Great.

[A]

Kim Cattrall is an incredible film made in Philadelphia that was filmed at fucking Strawberries and Clothier, which is now was. Amazes.

[B]

Yes. 100%.

[A]

So full circle.

[B]

You know what? That was incredibly tabbed.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

And now, Mrs. P. Yeah. We're going to take a turn.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because this is what happens in the comments.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Right. A lot of people. Okay. The episode, it was essentially about Sydney Sweening. But this is one thing that happens a lot in our comments, because it's just like our show. People just like things pop. We start talking about random things. They go, oh, that's the thing that's important to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So this is a comment from a ATLS Ford. 1, 4, 6.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

A S I L S 146.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they said, OMG. It's so refreshing to find a podcast I love and have it be actually local. So I get all the references. Love me some Boss Gobs.

[A]

Shout out Boss Gobs, baby. The department store.

[B]

We listen. I. I love a Boss Gobs. Let me tell you all the reasons I love a Boss Gobs. Number one, from doing influencer stuff the last few years and going to things like Vidcon or going to like, big events where fashionable people are. I am not a fashionable Mrs. P. Fashionable person.

[A]

Mrs. P. You know what's fashionable? This miscellaneous immorality sweater.

[B]

Okay, stop that. I got it.

[A]

Bonfire.

[B]

You're literally plugging. And this whole thing is an ad for Patreon. And you're also plugging a shirt. Yeah, but listen, I'm like, I'm not. I'm not that fashionable of a person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So when you show me a Boss Goss and I walk in there and it still looks like 1987.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Boscovs. They haven't built a new Boss gov's in 35 years.

[A]

They're not going to.

[B]

Boscov's is not a name that they, like, create. Boss Gov's is the name of the family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That owns it. When they tear down malls, they leave the Boscoffs. The Boscov still stands. It has the as seen on TV section. It has the weird Christmas section. You go back there, you're like, none of these ornaments have made sense since 1997.

[A]

It's got a candy section.

[B]

A candy section for no reason. In the middle of the second floor. They still have they at Boss Gov's. They still use neon lighting. Yeah, they have neon lighting up that says toys and boys and girls clothes.

[A]

And the bathrooms are always like carnation pink tile.

[B]

Oh, it's so good, this color. Yeah, it's so good. It's just when I walk into a Boss Gobs, can I tell you, the nostalgia for me goes off the chart.

[A]

And then he wants to buy jeans.

[B]

And I buy jeans and I do, I do. I go and I buy my faded old school 90s style dad jeans. And nobody is going to tell me no. Sitting there, I'm like, you know what? I got a thing coming up I look nice for when I'm at a boss. Cops buying a shirt. A button down shirt that comes with a package tie. Makes sense. Makes sense. Would I ever do that at an Express for Men? No.

[A]

I don't even think they exist anymore.

[B]

I don't. They probably don't. Private equity probably bought them and carved them out. But like, if you think about all of the stores where you go in and people look at you and like, I don't. Honey, I don't know. Never at a Boss Goss. No, never at a Boss Gov's. You walk into a Boss Gov's, they're like, yeah, they used to have a deal at Boss Gov's. I don't want to this, I don't want to go too deep on this. But they used to do roulette deals. So you literally were like gambling when you're buying and you'd walk up and you'd like put the stuff down and the guy would be like, put it in. And it'd be like a roulette would spin. Like digital roulette.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they'd be like, you get X amount off. I think it was like up to like 50%. I remember going there as a kid and I was like buying the school clothes and the roulette deal started running. And the guy's like, you guys are getting 50% off this whole thing. And I was like, my mom would look at me, she'd go, you run over there right now, you get yourself some more jeans. You run over there right now, you get yourself some more sweaters. We're getting half off, baby. And yeah, it's just one of those things. I just. It's a place that when I walk into the rest of the mall, if the rest. If the mall still there. The rest of the mall makes me sad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's so empty and so Dead and the shelves are so barren. And it makes me weep for a pass that we'll never be able to go to. And I don't know why it's still on life support, but when I'm in the Boscovs itself, I go, hey, guys, listen. This dot com bubble will never burst. Which. This next comment, Mrs. P. I want you to read it because it ties into the department store thing a little more.

[A]

We're staying in department stores. This episode was not actually about department stores. We did one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. This was Chloe Ellis, sir.

[B]

I'm hoping I'm going to Chloe Helser.

[A]

Chloe Helser commented this was actually news to me that Kohl's was kind of. Kind of okay. I don't know why, but I always assumed they weren't because I only knew them from my suburban life, and they do. To typical suburbanite marketing styles. But looking into them. Okay, maybe I got to go back to Kohl's.

[B]

Yeah. So this is one of those things where we're not. Again, we're not saying politically. We have no idea.

[A]

Looking.

[B]

We're not looking into Cole's.

[A]

I am not.

[B]

No, we're not. But what we'll say is when you go there, you're like, oh, okay. Yeah, Yeah. I think there's a thing also even. What even with Chloe's saying here about, like, suburbanite, right. There's been a thing where we didn't want to look like moms. We didn't want. But we are moms and dads now. We do live in the suburbs. I don't care. I don't need to have a 22 year old. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't need to have a 22 year old in a. In a fashionable boutique. Tell me downtown, in a. In an urban center, right? Like a major city to be like, I don't care. Fuck you. I don't care. I need parking. That's what I need. Like, this is where I'm at. I'm sorry.

[A]

So I. I need Kohl's cash.

[B]

Love a cold.

[A]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Once. Once you start handing me Kohl's cash, I'm in a place where I can buy sneakers for the baby. Okay. And then they give me Kohl's cash. And then I'm like, great, now I can go buy that new coffee pot.

[B]

Yeah, Kohl's is a weird one.

[A]

I got Kohl's cash and a 20% off coupon. I'm getting us new. She.

[B]

You know what it is? You know, Kohl's well, here's the thing is about Kohl's and the reason why we don't think about like a Kohl's or a Bosco's or any of these different places. The difference between them and a Target and Walmart is a Target and Walmart is a grocery store slash home goods store that has a clothing section.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Kohl's, Macy's. All these other different places are clothing stores that have home goods sections that have these other little areas. Right. So if you go to the back of Kohl's, you're like, oh, look, there's all this. I can get kitchen shears here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, there's a kids toy section. Yeah, we did emergency Thanksgiving. Emergency Thanksgiving chicken. We're like, this is the closest place without going to Target. Because listen, we're sticking with our people on that one.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

But let's go ahead now. We're gonna pivot to our next.

[A]

Also. They. I just wanted to say real quick, their new spokesperson is the whole joke is that there's the mom of Kohl's. Oh, yeah, it's the lady from Unbreakable. Kimmy Schmidt is the spokesperson most people.

[B]

Know as the lady from the office. Oh, she was in the office as well.

[A]

Not an office person.

[B]

I know we never been. But yeah, Ellie Kemper.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think it's funny because, like, the whole joke is that Kohl's is like very mom coded, but that's part of. And then now their spokesperson is like, I'm a Cole's mom. Yeah. But I'm like, I love it. Lean in.

[B]

But that's the thing is, like, there's been this thing for a very long time. And like, it's part of the Pepsi youth push generation. Right. Where we've always pushed for youth. Yeah. Always, always, always. You want to look young. You want to look young. I'm sorry, have you seen what a 35 year old person looks like when they dress like they're 22? Oh, look, my shirts are too long and my pants are big. Like, young people are wearing big pants. Yeah, they're wearing big pants. Again, I'm not doing it. Okay, don't talk to me about side part versus middle part or any of this other different shit. I'm not doing it. No, I'm an old man. I don't. If I. You look. If a 22 year old was to look at me and they'd be like, oh, look at them. Look at their body is t. I would feel weird. I have a Married man. Yeah, leave me be.

[A]

Also, you don't have a 911 memory, young person.

[B]

Again, we've been that, we've been over this and we've had, we've reacted to Many comments on Permania500.net of people who are in our patreon who are like, hey, just, you know, I don't have a 911 memory. And I actually appreciate that you all leave those comments because then it reminds us to actually explain some of these things because context collapse is so real.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

And dyes.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

So Mark Bobbles7104 commented, Tyrian Purple was made out of sea snails. It was very rare. It would take 10,000 snails to make one robe.

[B]

Yeah. 100.

[A]

And this came up a few times with other comments in that. Okay, so I brought up my favorite movie ever after the Drew Barrymore film.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And how at the end of it they're the women are forced to make fabric dyes. And there was like a whole joke in there about how bad it smells.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And apparently it's because the fermentation of sea snails is so stinky.

[B]

It's so pungent.

[A]

That's so pungent that that's why they're talking about it is that it smells so bad. And then somebody else comment. I don't know if I clipped it that like the sea snail dye, there was like a law written that if your husband or wife worked at one of those factories, you were allowed to divorce them because they smelled so bad.

[B]

Oh, that's.

[A]

It's like there's crazy lore around the sea snail.

[B]

The other thing too is from working on it, their hands are actually be dyed purple because when you're working with that much you would know who worked on them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all these different things. And it was never in town. It was always at like the edge of town. You had to go out to the.

[A]

Distance by the, by the ocean because that's where the snails were.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had to dive down to go get the snails and all this different stuff. It's. It's crazy.

[A]

Sounds like a lot of jobs.

[B]

But again like now we just have fast fashion.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like that's what's crazy about it. I think that there's a. It's the same thing with like factory farming and that idea that we have gotten so disconnected from what it would take to make these different things. And that's. And that's such a weird. It's just a weird moment to live in.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Next comment from the Magpie can fly. Okay, commented textile expert here, just for some clarification, indigo is one type of plant based blue dye. Woad was another heavily used for dyeing blue fabric, as were other plants. So it wasn't the color blue as a whole. It was specifically indigo. Now lapis, I'm going to lapis lazuli.

[B]

Lapis lazuli.

[A]

Lapis lazuli was a blue stone ground for paint, not textiles, often used for the Virgin Mary's robes in paintings. Oh, it holds up a lot Better over time than a lake pigment or others.

[B]

That means, like, every Catholic church you go into that has, like an old Virgin Mary.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because they all got one.

[A]

Listen, we're going to get to it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's a third part to this comment, though. Additionally, there were other important dyes, both in both the Silk Road and the transatlantic trade, including Tyrian purple, which we just talked about. Cochineal, logwood, et cetera, some of which was much more rare and expensive. And then real quick, I found another comment about the lapis lazuli. How'd you say it again?

[B]

Sure, sure. I'm gonna go with what you go with.

[A]

They said this person who is@fishbone D4 14 said, yep, use used to be lapis lazuli came from only one mine in Afghanistan. So only worthy of the Queen of.

[B]

Heaven, which would be Mary.

[A]

Exactly. So there's only one mine in Afghanistan where they could get it. And that's why the Catholic church used it on the mayor, on Mary.

[B]

And can I tell you what's really crazy? Yeah. The only reason I even know what lapis lazuli is. Yeah. It's from Minecraft. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sometimes you learn facts from Minecraft.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And now I'm a bad person.

[A]

I think we got to switch over to the Patreon.

[B]

We do. And this is what we do in the. In this. So we. We like to do the YouTube comments first, then we switch to the Patreon, and then at the end, typically, again, typically at the end, there's shout outs, but we're not doing that this week. We'll get those on our first afterparty of 2026. Yeah, but you actually chose some very hella big comments.

[A]

Well, that's because there's something about. Our Patreon is full of very smart people. It really is interesting. Lights.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Live. Sorry. And they always have incredible comments and lived experience.

[B]

Well, you know, we did it recently. We did an after party episode when we did the one about the melons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And their ties to Pittsburgh. And we talked about the Johnstown flood.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we had so many comments from people from, like, the Pittsburgh area who grew up who knew even more about that flood. And it was so wild.

[A]

Pennsylvania or lot.

[B]

Yes. But anyway, this comment. Do you want to read it? You want me to read it? You read it. Okay. This comment, their Patreon name is. Man, I sure hope this is how I change my name for when you do shout outs. They wrote, I'm a general manager for a baskin Robbins. And around the same time that the jeans ad was happening, the brand Baskin Robbins did a collab with Sydney Sweetney for the whole month of July to push her favorite flavor of rainbow sherbet and sell a reusable plastic cup with gummy bears on it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. The signature food items were a double scoop of sherbet and a chocolate dipped waffle cone with gummy bears on a top. Or a blended drink made with sherbet and starry, also with gummy bears on top. Why are you putting gummy bears on top of a drink with a lid on it? The commercial made her look unhinged and included her, like sneaking into a Baskin Robbins in the middle of the night to eat sherbert. Having her face on the front window advertising a classic flavor we've had forever. Definitely did not drive more traffic to our store.

[A]

Okay. I have so many thoughts.

[B]

So many thoughts. Number one, I haven't. First thing I want to say. Yeah, I haven't been to a Baskin Robbins.

[A]

I don't even know where there is a Baskin Robbins around.

[B]

I know where there is one. It's a weird combo store though, where it's like a Baskin Dunkin, I think.

[A]

Oh, that's right. They do like the Pepsi. Taco Bell.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. There's a, there's a thing like that. Taco Bell, kfc. Like, there's a thing like that. There's one near there. And I've. Every now and then I'll see a Baskin Robbins like at an airport. But again, Baskin Robbins is like, it's a mall food type of thing. Like Dairy Queens were in strip malls.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they'll live a little bit longer. And I've seen standalone Dairy Queens. Baskin Robbins always was like a food court type of thing. At least out here. At least on the East Coast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We don't have them as many as standalone. Maybe it's a Midwest thing more.

[A]

But here's what I want to start with.

[B]

Yeah, go ahead.

[A]

Sherbet is delicious. I love sherbet. Orange, raspberry, lime, citrus. I love a sherbet.

[B]

When you were pregnant, I had to buy you a case. I had to buy you a mix. I found a mix case of sherbet.

[A]

Big tub that has like the handle. Let me tell you about sherbet. I love sherbet.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Sherbet with chocolate dipped waffle cone. I don't like that. I don't, I don't. I don't know why the idea of a chocolate dipped Waffle cone and sherbet. Doesn't sound good to me. It might be a today thing, but then the other thing is the blended drink. So again, they're not saying milkshake. Blended drink made with starry. That's the Sprite stuff.

[B]

Oh, that's.

[A]

Oh, that's the. Because Sierra Miss lost their name to that lady named Sierra Miss. Yeah, I forgot about that. So they have to call it Starry now.

[B]

I thought Starry was, like. We mentioned Sweet and Low earlier. Yeah, I thought it was like its own. I thought story was like a Splenda.

[A]

Sherbert mixed with Sprite blended and then gummy bears on top.

[B]

Okay, well, all right. I'm actually gonna push back. You're making it sound gross.

[A]

Okay. You think that sounds good?

[B]

No, I'm not saying it sounds good.

[A]

But I'm saying I don't like the idea of a dairy product with bubbles.

[B]

I don't think.

[A]

Well, dairy product and bubbles is sherbert or dairy. Yeah, there's. There's dairy and sherbet.

[B]

Okay. But it. But it tastes more fruity.

[A]

It does taste more.

[B]

I think that this. To me. To me. Let me just. Before you start clicking around.

[A]

Okay. I'm already. I'm already in it.

[B]

It feels almost. This feels to me like a. A mocktail pina colada.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

In that sort of way where you're getting the starry. Is that what you would use instead of using water? Yeah, they're using soda instead of water for some reason.

[A]

Well, you know, it's instead of milk. Because a milkshake is ice cream and milk. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying sherbert and star.

[B]

Yeah, but you put ice cream. You. You would do a root beer float.

[A]

Ah, damn. You got me. I would do it.

[B]

Yeah. You all right? It's the gummy bears. That's weird.

[A]

Is it the gummy bears?

[B]

The gummy bears are the part that's weird.

[A]

Yeah. Because they get cold.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna. I'm not gonna take. I'm not gonna fight you.

[A]

Root beer float really got my ass on this.

[B]

I fucking stabbed right in the heart with that.

[A]

Got me on.

[B]

I got you with that.

[A]

I was like, bubbles and dairy is gross. And then now I'm like, oh, root beer fluid sounds immediately.

[B]

Because I've seen you do it. I've seen you make it in the house. I know. Yeah. You're a fool.

[A]

Also, a diet root beer. I don't know. It's like, it tastes more root beer when you mix it with the ice cream. Anyway, I love this comment. I love that we have somebody who's a general manager of a basketball.

[B]

It's also a reminder, though, there was a thing we didn't really talk about too much on the episode itself is that Sydney Sweeney over this, over 20, 25 this year, has put her face on everything.

[A]

She's the face of so much. And you know what? I didn't talk about this in this episode because I wanted to. I really wanted to focus on jeans. But, like, she is the face of Sephora. When you go into Sephora, which I hope you do right around the holiday season to buy me something nice is. She's like the face of Kerastas. She's the face of Laneige. She's the face of another makeup thing. She is like a brand ambassador for almost every company in Sephora. So when you walk around, her face is everywhere.

[B]

Okay, so she's not the face of Sephora. She's the face of the stock.

[A]

And so far, yes, the different brands in Sephora have her as.

[B]

I'm like, when I've walked past Sephora. Yeah, I haven't seen her because I don't go in, except they're on the.

[A]

Holidays to buy me something nice.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

There's a Sephora inside Kohl's.

[B]

I know. It always feels weird. It's always a weird spot whenever I walk in that. Because I think you're supposed to check out in there.

[A]

Yeah, you have to check.

[B]

And I'm like, I don't like that. I want to get my thing and go to the other area. It's like at a. It's like when they have a jewelry store at certain department stores, you have to check out that spot. Like, but where do I go to the place anyway? Don't matter. Let's. The one thing I want to say about this is this is what I really love in our comments that we get a lot is this person is reminding us. And also somebody who's had real life interactions with a Sydney Sweeney ad and being like, it doesn't work.

[A]

It doesn't work.

[B]

It's just you're.

[A]

Nobody showed up to get more sherbert.

[B]

Can I tell you what they should have done? They should have given this general manager more money.

[A]

Money.

[B]

Yeah. And then giving the employees more money instead of spending it on.

[A]

Because they gave Sydney Sweeney probably millions of dollars.

[B]

You know, I just saw. I just saw a tick tock where somebody was talking about Ace Hardware.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And they were like, you know, I just found Out. Ace Hardware pays a living wage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's like, I'm never going to complain when I go in there again because everybody there has a good job. And I was like, if Baskin Robbins. I don't know if they do, but that's. This is the advertising I want to hear. Yeah. We don't use AI. We pay a living wage. We have benefits, and we care for our people. I want to support those stores. The reason why there's a. There's a boycott against Target is because Target walked back their DEI committee stuff. Target went. Walked back and fell for a bunch of maga psyops about gay people with their pride collection merch and move things in the back corner. Like, suddenly they're ashamed to have gay customers. This is the reason why there's a Target boycott. Target. You want to get us back in the store? Go woke again. That's what it is. All right, all right, let's move on to the next.

[A]

Also, our Ace Hardware does Kohl's cash.

[B]

What?

[A]

Our Ace Hardware that we have locally.

[B]

Oh, our local one. Yeah.

[A]

Has like, a Kohl's cash system. I'm telling you, I show up, if you're like, I'm gonna give you five dollars for next time you come in here.

[B]

For every ten bucks you spend at ours, they give you, like, a dollar one. And it's this little.

[A]

But that's because Ace Hardwares are franchise.

[B]

They're franchise and tied together.

[A]

Okay, next comment. This patreon's name is Chiropractor killed my dad.

[B]

You didn't read the underscores. I always read the underscores. Yes, I do. Chiropractor Underscore Killed Underscore. My underscore dad.

[A]

Okay, Great name. In my former life, I was a pastry chef and a bread baker.

[B]

So you got up early. You got up early.

[A]

The amount of times I had the awful pleasure of explaining to people why white sugar is not vegan. And the difference between unbleached flour and bleached flour is literally the ingredient. Bleach. The number does not exist. Which would then lead me into why, quote, white supremacy is literally in everything, even your food ranch.

[B]

We understand. Yeah, we understand completely.

[A]

No, but literally.

[B]

Literally, can you explain to me why white sugar is not vegan?

[A]

Because they take animal bones and they burn them to a char, and then they use the charred animal bones to filter the sugar through, I believe.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Ms. Rachel explained it to me once. Because we have a dear friend.

[B]

We have a different. Hold on. You got. We gotta catch real fast.

[A]

I know. It's okay. I'll explain it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We have a dear friend named Ms. Rachel who owns a vegan restaurant in Philadelphia who we both used to work for. And she explained a lot of vegan stuff to me over the years, including why she would buy a specific brand of sugar, which was vegan sugar. And I was like, isn't all sugar vegan? And she said, no. And so that's. But I believe it's like a charred bone is used to filter sugar.

[B]

Yeah, it's part of the filtering process. I just. We have to explain that because it'd be amazing if you're sitting down one day.

[A]

Hi, friends.

[B]

No, don't use white sugar because it's animal bones from the actual YouTube. Ms. Rachel would be crazy.

[A]

Ms. Rachel pantry in Philly. She has.

[B]

I think she beat Bobby Flay. That's what people need to know.

[A]

I was gonna. I was gonna give her a full shout out that she has, like, videos where she teaches people how to cook vegan food called beat your meat. I love that.

[B]

Real fast. Our next bunch of comments are from people, and we don't know whether or not they all use their real names, so we're just gonna say their first name. Because for our Patreons, when we give the shout outs, they're behind a paywall now. But we don't want to be throwing people's government names out there, so we're going to censor them just a little bit and then those different things just to make sure. Because we want to be safe for you guys out there because, you know, you threw this thing behind a paywall. Maybe you didn't want the whole comment.

[A]

Usually put the after party behind a paywall for this very reason.

[B]

It's one of the many reasons. Usually I get a little bit. We also get spicy in our.

[A]

Little spicy in our responses. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Maybe Mrs. P. Maybe I don't censor some of the things Mrs. P says in there for calls for specific community guidelines violations. Let's read Destiny's comment here. Quote, unquote, quote, everything is political. Unquote. Yes, Destiny says I'm in Oklahoma, sadly. And one of our teachers was fired and lost her license over giving her students a QR code to find the banned books if they wanted to. She is now suing our state as she should. And for the press conference, she was wearing a shirt that said, education is activism. And I personally believe and agree with that. However, our 50th in education red states, Karen's were all losing their shit over her shirt saying, politics has no place in the classroom. And I'm like, girl, where are they supposed to be then? This podcast helps me not go insane in this state. And that state is Oklahoma.

[A]

Shout out.

[B]

Shout out. Hold on real fast. Air horn. Air horn for you. And this is just for this. This next noise is just for the state government of Oklahoma. That's right. Because it's just a painful place. I've been to Oklahoma twice. Both times pass through. Yeah. On the highway. But the other thing, though, is. Yes. The thing is, is. Is especially in public schools. Public schools in themselves are political. They're created by a political act. They are run by a political body.

[A]

Yeah. They're run by the government.

[B]

And they're teaching history. And all history is political. The choices that are made and what history is being taught is a political choice.

[A]

Choice.

[B]

Yeah. Because if we. We could choose as a nation and some places are choosing this to not to not even discuss the Civil War, and if we do discuss the Civil War, not discuss slavery. Yeah. We could choose to not teach people the Constitution. That is a choice that we make on whether or not we're going to explain that to the Bill of Rights. Suffrage, all these different things, civil rights, all these different things that have happened throughout our history, they're all political things. They become history when they happen to two generations prior to you.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's the difference. That's when it becomes history. It's about 40 years, and movements take 50 years. So there you go.

[A]

Great.

[B]

That's a great comment, Destiny. Thank you so much for your comment. Thank you.

[A]

And this, I like that politics has no place in the classroom. Because I was just thinking about how, like, this is, like, the new thing that the right always says is that politics has no place here. They want to keep everything. Yeah. They want prayer everywhere, but no politics. But then their politics are literally got their claws and everything. Because I was thinking about the Boston Archdiocese. The. I don't know, was it their bishop or cardinal, the Boston was screaming about.

[B]

The ice was.

[A]

There is a church in Boston that did the. The thing with the baby nativity scene. And then instead of having a baby Jesus, they had a sign that said, like, ice took the baby Jesus. Right. And this. This priest from Boston went crazy and was like, there's no place for politics and Catholicism. What are you talking about?

[B]

Yeah, what are you.

[A]

The church. The Catholic Church is nothing if not political.

[B]

And we've covered this on a recent episode. I know you're going on a same rant as a prior episode of tnt.

[A]

You go on the same rant in every episode, in every TikTok. I'm allowed to do that.

[B]

I'd say not the same rant every time. I haven't mentioned Theo Vaughn in a while.

[A]

Okay, Okay.

[B]

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[A]

Okay. Elizabeth commented Wrangler jeans were first made by the Blue Bell overall company who mid-40s employed Jewish Polish tailor Bernard Lichtenstein, also known as Rodeo Ben. Seriously, this guy is from just outside Warsaw and he is the western is in the western US making cowboy jeans so much he gets an iconic nickname and secures Wranglers as the brand for the horse girlies for most of the then half century.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So how about it? Listen, I love when you guys have little interesting nuggets of history for us.

[B]

Yes. And occasionally there have been times in the past where we've read a tab like where they comment like that and we're like tabbed. Yeah, we're getting tab.

[A]

We're about to open this up.

[B]

Yeah. No, there's been ones that we've gone.

[A]

I'm sorry about Rodeo Ben Lichtenstein.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is the funniest, most badass shirt.

[B]

Yeah, I've heard that's a. That's an incredible name. Up next, we got a message from Sage and Sage wrote I love how one of the first Episodes of the podcast is all about 4chan, and it's such an awful place that Mrs. P put an entire episode into the brain vault and locked it tight.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's true.

[B]

Yeah. No, there's been many times where you literally look at me and go, I don't know what you're talking about. But also, it's a good thing because there are people who haven't heard the original, like, first 40 episodes or so. You know, they maybe joined us late. They joined us from YouTube. They joined us because that they recently were listening to Crashing out and said, let's go check out the other podcast. And the thing is, we like to do on this show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is you don't need to go back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't. I mean, for the after party. You do the after party. It helps if you had listened to the main episode, then you come in, you get. Get this little feeling for it. But in general, it does help for us to just kind of also be like, wait, what are you talking about again? And then the listener can also hear and be like, well, let's see, let's see. I know what you said last time.

[A]

Now, that's a good way to move a conversation along. And I'll admit that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I will also say I block out so much stuff you tell me about the Internet.

[B]

Well, also on purpose, but also, Elizabeth, because you actually have the second comment.

[A]

I know the response.

[B]

Elizabeth actually responded to Sage and wrote, pearl, baby came, and it was erased from her brain permanently. Which is actually the truth.

[A]

That's very true.

[B]

That's truly. There's so many things where I'll be talking to somebody and they'll be like, yeah, man, this thing. I like. When was that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they'd be like, 2022. I said, oh, before I became a parent.

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

Fuck you. Who let the dogs out?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

Who let the dogs out?

[A]

Who let the dogs out?

[B]

That's because that's all that runs right now.

[A]

It's the number one song in this household.

[B]

Yeah. We know exactly how far our daycare is from our house by how many places of who let the dogs out?

[A]

It's four.

[B]

It's four. Technically three.

[A]

So that's eight. Because you. Because I listen. I pump myself up to get there.

[B]

Yeah. You start the car and it's just like, who let the dogs out? And the baby's like, who let the dogs out?

[A]

Okay, so the next comment I love this is from Goblin mom, and she commented, I'm permanently banned from Twitter since Muskie bought it. Unless I'm willing to delete a specific tweet.

[B]

Mm. And I don't even want to know what the tweet is.

[A]

I love that you didn't tell us. I just love the imagination open. I. What did Goblin mom say?

[B]

You know, I know so many people who've gotten almost. Hadn't permanently banned because of specific tweets.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I agree with you.

[A]

I don't know what you said, but don't go back.

[B]

But also, don't go back. We've done a bunch. And we're. You know, we've done a bunch about Elon and the evil scum that he is.

[A]

Is worst.

[B]

He's one of the worst people. And. And just the horrifying things that have happened and how the world would be a better place without him. But also, in general, I find that Twitter has become such a cesspool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That it is. It's actually pushing all of our conversations in a terrible location. And I'm proud of you. I'm proud of anybody who looks at me and tells me that they no longer use it. Because I'm like, good. Because it's an addiction. On top of that, just scrolling that fucking sites in addiction. And now there's also like 15,000 Twitter clones.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I don't look at that.

[B]

I know. Well, you look at threads. That's a Twitter.

[A]

I do love threads. Threads.

[B]

You.

[A]

You love hating chaotic thing. You know what? You can't look at it before lunch because it's crazy. Your brain is not prepared for the insanity you're gonna see. It's just chaos, and people take it so seriously. And I'm like, this is not a real place. I couldn't go to my plumber uncle and be like, I just saw this thing on thread. Threads.

[B]

He wouldn't know what you're talking about.

[A]

I'll be like, oh, so and so got canceled on Threads. He'd be like, what the fuck are you talking.

[B]

But the thing is also, in all, it's not real, but it's also one of these things now with all these different platforms right before. I feel like. Because it was true in 2019. Right. If you got canceled on Twitter, you could get canceled on across every platform. Yeah. Right. Like it had enough pull now. We are so segmented and segregated across these platforms that I watch people who are canceled on TikTok do fine. Still on Instagram.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And are canceled on Instagram. They're still doing fine over on Twitter. Like, you just go, oh, okay, well, I don't go to that location for a bit, and then you just come back around.

[A]

Oh, you mean Machino Dorito.

[B]

Okay, I was actually probably talking about me depending on the day, depending on who I pissed off. There's been so many times nobody's like, oh, look at him. My favorite is when people show up in my comments. So I. Like, he's just a lib. Yeah, yeah, you keep saying it like it's an insult. Ronald Reagan.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like. Okay, right. Oh, look at me. He's not really a leftist. Okay, fine. I'm sorry that we only agree on 97% of everything.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

That 3% is definitely why you should be aligned. Aligning yourself with Nick Fuentes, you fucking idiot. Clean your septum piercing. It's infected. Okay, now ready, Mrs. P. That's typically behind a paywall, by the way. That's usually. That's usually how this show goes at pearlmania500.net on the after party.

[A]

And if you wanted to use Our.

[B]

Code Project 2026 on an annual.

[A]

Listen to this every week.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where we really just don't pay no money.

[B]

Yeah, especially. Especially if you're the person who. Who clipped it and then send it to Madeline Pendleton that actually happened. I don't give a.

[A]

How dare you.

[B]

How dare you.

[A]

This is behind a paywall.

[B]

This is behind the sanctity of the paywall.

[A]

And you send it to somebody and you.

[B]

Yeah. Damn it.

[A]

Rude.

[B]

Anyway, we have. We have 2 comments left. 1 comment.

[A]

One comment left.

[B]

One comment. And where is it from? This is not from the Patreon.

[A]

No, this is not from the Patreon specifically. I want to tell you something about a secret. Oh, okay. So if you're a Patreon member, we actually provide a link to our Patreon members to watch the YouTube ad. Free.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So if you prefer YouTube now. I'm a YouTube girly with my podcast. I like to open my iPad because I'm old, and I put it above the sink and then I do the dishes. Right. And so I'm watching my podcast on a YouTube and then we can look up and see images and stuff. Right. And a lot of people do that, but they don't want the ads because they're paying for a Patreon membership.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So we provide a YouTube link.

[B]

Private link.

[A]

Free. Private link. And. But that. The thing is, There are secret YouTube Patreon comments that are just there. And I. We found them when they were like, oh, my God, people are commenting on this.

[B]

Yeah, people are coming here and. And here's what's. Here's one thing I want to point out is on this one, not only does it not have the ad reads.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where we talk about all the different wonderful products like Brooklyn Betting and others that have been helping us for years and helping, you know, bring this show to you guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It also removes the YouTube ads themselves that are inputted by YouTube. So you don't want to get ICE ads. Go join the Patreon, and then you can go watch us on YouTube without those. But on top of that, too, I do also want to say there is a way that you can listen to our audio on your favorite podcasting apps by using an RSS feed through the Patreon. Because some people don't like listening to our show on the Patreon app itself. Yeah, they prefer Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Cast, or any of the other myriad. There is an RSS feed button that you can pull that you can then upload to your favorite podcasting apps. So then you can listen to us and get the drops at the same exact time as everyone else. So I just want to let everybody know that's out there. That's an option you can just look up. How do I get podcast, rss, Patreon podcast, RSS onto Apple Podcasts or wherever it is you listen to. And it is very easy instructions. So with that being said, that huge addendum before we get to the final comment of this after party from the secret YouTube. From the secret YouTube.

[A]

Okay, so two raven86 commented. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Twitter can't be worse than 4chan, can it? I remember 4chan in the mid aughts. It was backslash. B. Backslash ad.

[B]

That's B board bad.

[A]

Okay. I still have nightmares about some of the stuff. Stuff I saw on there. Okay, okay.

[B]

And to that, which I will say. Let me comment to that.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

So to 2 Ravens 86, it depends on what we're talking about. For bad. What I'm talking about is the insane racism. The insane racism is equal today as that you're talking about literal death. It's also still there. But you have to look for that on Twitter. On 4chan, especially on the B board, B was random. You would scroll and it would be like racism, anime boobs, man being murdered. Oh, and it was just like a feed of that. Twitter has turned into that.

[A]

This is why y' all are so brain broken. You were looking at that.

[B]

We weren't looking at it. We were having it flashed at us.

[A]

That's not good.

[B]

Yeah, it was like the Clockwork Orange. We're having our eyes held over.

[A]

That's not good for you.

[B]

No, it wasn't good for the brain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But in the. The stuff that was quarantined there and that was specific for 4chan users and you could like kind of spot them in the wild. Has now been normalized. So the people who were doing that shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They are now doing it openly on Twitter and then they are hanging out with Congress people or working for them. Like, a lot of them are congressional staffers. If you look at the Department of.

[A]

Homeland Security, Laura Loomer's at the Pentagon right now.

[B]

Well, it's not even just Laura Loomer. It's actually the people around Laura Loomer. These 19 year old, 20 year old guys who are now standing in and claiming that they're Pentagon journalists. They're actually just old school. They're actually just. Back in the day, would have been.

[A]

A fortune lobe yet.

[B]

No. But they also have never gotten real life pushback. So. Like that guy who got slapped in the face for being a Nazi. Yeah. Like these type of moments are a huge push in the fact that these guys don't. Because they're not getting any pushback from it on Twitter. Yeah. To that extent anymore. If they are, they just ignore it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the same thing on 4chan. Like you had to go slog in there. So 4chan got Nazi barred. The same way Twitter has.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And is being completely propped up by Elon Musk, who is the saddest Nazi of them all.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. So with that, though.

[A]

Okay, so then to Raven 86. That was.

[B]

That was the first.

[A]

That was original. But then they responded to themselves.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And they responded themselves and said, royal purple comes from Tyrion Purple, which was a reddish purple dye in the Mediterranean. By making a tiny gland out of taking the tiny gland out of snails. It took literally thousands of snails to dye a single garment. This was the dye the Roman emperors used in their togas. It was pricey as hell. Even more than Indigo.

[B]

Yeah, there we go.

[A]

I just. Again, I picked this because this is like the perfect representation of our comment section, which is like, 4chan was crazy. Also, did you know this?

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

It totally is our podcast at the end of the day.

[B]

It totally is.

[A]

Our podcast says, look at this board about Epstein. But also, did you know the history of this thing?

[B]

Did you guys see this thing over here in the corner? But yeah, this has been the after. This is. And now typically, usually the after parties are a little bit shorter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then this is usually where we give the shout outs. We're going to save those for our first afterparty of the new year when we get back.

[A]

We're gonna come back refreshed.

[B]

We're gonna come back refreshed. We're gonna come back feeling different. Yeah. We're gonna come back without Dick Cheney because he's still dead. And I just want to say here at the end of the year, what we're thankful for the most is you guys, the listeners, the patreons, the viewers on YouTube, but especially the commenters.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because we. There's times and. And also the people who send us items in the PO Box.

[A]

I forgot to mention earlier, the letters in the cards.

[B]

We just got these. These two beautiful paintings.

[A]

Can we talk about the lasagna?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God, I love it.

[B]

And the wonderful letters we get that are sent to our P.O. box, which is always down in the description. Guys, just thank you so much for everything that you've done for us.

[A]

Thank you for inspiring us to keep doing this.

[B]

And can I say something to you, Mrs. P. Yeah. Thank you for coming on camera. Oh, yeah. It's been a lot. It's been a lot. But there's times where I think of I was sitting right over there by myself and you were still sitting over there across the room. And in these last three months, having you next to me on camera has made it feel like just different and better in the best way.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Thank you for being.

[A]

It's been really scary and fun.

[B]

It has been scary and fun. It has been scary.

[A]

Just like 2025. Scary and fun.

[B]

I don't know about the fun part for all of 2025, but scary, it definitely has it. So once again, thank you to everybody. Like subscribe. If you want more of this type of content, join [e-mail] and you can also get the food idiot over there. More coming. A lot of big ideas and big thoughts for 2026. See y' all soon. Pearl Mania. Pearl Mania. Pearl Mania. Pearl Mania500.net you gotta hold still. You gotta hold it still so that way it looks cool in the shot. Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits. They leave out. Check the math@t mobile.com switch and now T Mobile is in US cellular stores. Savings versus Comparable Verizon plans plus the cost of optional benefits plan features. No taxes and fees vary. Savings with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits. Credit stop if you cancel any lines. Qualifying credit required Today we'll attempt a feat once thought impossible, overcoming high interest credit card debt. It requires merely one thing a SOFI personal loan. With it, you could save big on interest charges by consolidating into one low fixed rate monthly payment. Depending on defy high interest debt with a SOFI personal loan. Visit sofi.com stunt to learn more. Loans originated by Sofi Bank NA member FDIC terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891.