Ellen: from Trailblazer to Tyrant | TMT 183

Summary

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Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500

Episode: Ellen: from Trailblazer to Tyrant | TMT 183

Release Date: June 28, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, hosts Pearl (Pearlmania500) and Misses P wrap up their Pride-themed series with a deep dive into the life and legacy of Ellen DeGeneres—her rise from stand-up comic to groundbreaking cultural icon, and her journey into public disgrace amid allegations of mistreatment and toxic workplace culture. With their signature blend of irreverent humor, social commentary, and personal anecdotes, Pearl and Misses P explore the duality of Ellen as both a pioneer for LGBTQ+ representation and a cautionary tale about fame, power, and reckoning.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ellen’s Early Life and Comedy Roots

• Background: Ellen was born in 1958 in Louisiana, raised a Christian Scientist, and experienced trauma including sexual abuse by her stepfather.
  • “Whenever you introduce a man you don’t like you say it in a very specific way... Roy to a stepdad named Roy never ends up well.” – Misses P ([06:00])
• Nostalgia & Work Ethic: Ellen worked odd jobs (JC Penney, TGI Fridays, house painter) before launching into stand-up—characteristic of many comics of the era.
  • “What I’ve described is the recipe to be funny.” – Pearl ([11:24])
• Comedy Influences: She cites Steve Martin and Woody Allen as major influences, prompting mixed reactions from the hosts.
  • “Steve Martin you’re like one of the greats, Woody Allen... oh no. No, gross.” – Misses P ([12:18])

2. Professional Breakthroughs

• Tonight Show Milestone (15:57): In 1986, Ellen became the first female comedian invited by Johnny Carson to the coveted couch after a set—a major career catapult.
  • “For her to get called... the first woman that he calls over is Ellen DeGeneres.” – Misses P
• Sitcom Success: After roles in “Duet” and “Open House," Ellen starred in “Ellen” (1994–1998), notable for its guest stars and for reflecting the model of comics transitioning into sitcoms.
  • “When you say ‘Ellen,’ people know what you’re talking about. That’s really crazy.” – Pearl ([04:32])

3. Cultural Impact—The ‘Puppy Episode’ and Coming Out

• The Build-Up: Amid waning network confidence in the show’s direction, Ellen pitched her character coming out as a solution to studio notes about “lack of romance” (and Michael Eisner’s notorious “get a puppy” suggestion).
• Monoculture Moment: Ellen (and her character, Ellen Morgan) came out as a lesbian in the famous “Puppy Episode” (1997).
  • “Ellen actually came out in Time Magazine... big cover and it just said: Yup, I’m gay.” – Pearl ([43:01])
  • “It was the biggest thing... I remember everybody talking about it. In the neighborhood, at church, when you went to the corner store, because the magazine was everywhere." – Misses P ([43:28])
  • “This is like having... the entire nation watch somebody come out because a lot of people had never experienced that.” – Misses P ([61:57])
• Reaction & Backlash: The episode earned record ratings (42 million viewers, [63:45]), but incited bomb threats, campaigns of hate, advertiser boycotts, and eventual blacklisting.

4. Fallout & Hollywood Exile

• Career Backlash: Post-cancellation, Ellen and Anne Heche (her partner at the time) faced industry blacklisting and isolation. Ellen struggled to get work for years.
  • "Once Ellen gets canceled... she is basically a pariah and people in the TV and movie industry don't want to touch her because of the gay stigma." – Pearl ([76:28])
• Cultural Attitudes: The hosts connect Ellen’s struggles to the broader culture war over LGBTQ+ visibility and representation in media.
  • “The conservatives learned from that... if they can remove people from being seen at all or perceived at all, then they're an other, and then you can do whatever you want to them.” – Misses P ([79:39])

5. The Comeback—From Finding Nemo to The Height of Daytime TV

• Finding Nemo: Voicing Dory in “Finding Nemo” (2003) revitalized Ellen’s career, cementing her broadly appealing, family-friendly persona.
• Daytime Domination: “The Ellen DeGeneres Show” (2003–2022), built on fun, dance, giveaways, and viral moments, made Ellen a superstar—amassing 63 Daytime Emmy Awards, huge social media reach, and a $60M/year income at her peak ([119:07]).

6. Slipping Mask: Mean Ellen & the Great Reckoning

• Onset Toxicity Allegations: In 2020, a viral Twitter thread and subsequent Buzzfeed exposé revealed widespread allegations of toxic workplace culture, racism, and abuse of staff:
  • “She’s also notoriously one of the meanest people alive...” – Kevin T. Porter tweet ([124:46])
  • "Crew members were told by production to expect a 60% reduction in pay even though the show was still on air... Ellen did not take a 60% cut of her pay by the way." – Pearl ([129:49])
• Public Turning Point: Backlash snowballed after viral guest showdowns (notably with Dakota Johnson, see [132:12]) and Ellen’s infamous “be kind” mantra was thrown back at her.

7. Last Acts

• Oscars, Social Climbing, and Controversy: Ellen's 2014 Oscar selfie—featuring Hollywood royalty—crashed Twitter, and her friendship with George W. Bush incited further outrage ([118:15], [120:04]).
  • “I mean, we all did know Ellen loved Bush but... [he] did that. He called for a federal marriage amendment in 2004...” – Misses P ([120:32])
• Cancellation & Legacy: The Ellen Show ended in 2022 amidst plunging reputation, departing with a final “full circle” Jennifer Aniston guest appearance ([139:18]).

8. Reflections: Duality and Distance

• Complicated Legacy: The hosts close with a frank discussion about what Ellen's story reveals: her comedic brilliance, trailblazing courage, and human fallibility—and how times changed faster than she did.
  • “She is a trailblazer and, like every human being on earth, she’s made mistakes. It’s up to the listeners and viewers and people in general—how you want to forgive.” – Misses P ([147:51])
  • “What I have next time, I’ll be kicked out for being old, gay, and mean. The triple crown.” – Ellen, quoting a recent interview ([144:44])

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Ellen’s troubled upbringing:
  “Mom Ellen and Roy move... when she was 15 years old Ellen DeGeneres was molested by her stepfather, and it gets worse...” – Pearl ([06:13])
• Ellen’s Tonight Show couch moment:
  “She made history as the very first female comedian Johnny Carson ever invited to sit down...” – Pearl ([15:20])
• The culture-shifting ‘Puppy Episode’:
  “The ABC affiliate in Birmingham, Alabama, citing family values, sought ABC’s permission to move the episode out of prime time... The affiliate refused to air the episode at all.” – Pearl ([62:17])
• GLAAD’s impact:
  “GLAAD credits Ellen with paving the way for such LGBTQ+ themed programming as Will & Grace, The L Word, and Ugly Betty.” – Pearl ([67:40])
• On her Show’s demise:
  “Ellen career is basically over at this point... she is basically a pariah and people in the TV and movie industry don’t want to touch her because of the gay stigma.” – Pearl ([76:28])
• On public criticism and power:
  “I think that she believed that made her special—special enough to be above the criticism... and then times changed, faster than her.” – Misses P ([144:54])
• Ellen’s own words, reflecting:
  "What I have next time I'll be kicked out for being old, gay, and mean. The triple crown." – Ellen ([144:44])

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Pivotal Segments & Timestamps

| Time | Segment / Topic | |---------|------------------------------------------------| | [02:24] | Ellen’s cultural influence & duality | | [06:17] | Childhood trauma & family | | [11:24] | Early jobs and their comedic impact | | [13:48] | Stand-up breakthrough, Tonight Show | | [29:38] | “Puppy Episode” & the coming out build-up | | [43:01] | Ellen’s Time Magazine cover | | [63:45] | “Puppy Episode” ratings: 42 million viewers | | [75:28] | The backlash: cancellation, blacklisting | | [93:07] | Voice work in Finding Nemo—career revival | | [95:32] | The Ellen DeGeneres Show—rise to dominance | | [124:46]| 2020: Kevin T. Porter’s viral “mean Ellen” tweet| | [129:14]| Buzzfeed’s investigation into workplace toxicity | | [133:16]| Iconic Dakota Johnson clip | | [144:44]| Ellen reflects on her future & legacy | | [147:51]| Closing thoughts on forgiveness & legacy |

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Tone, Style, and Takeaways

The episode manages a dynamic balance of humor, empathy, and sharp critique. Both hosts openly admire Ellen’s early work and acknowledge her seismic cultural significance, but don’t shy away from how power, cultural shifts, and personal choices shaped her downfall. The conversation is peppered with personal stories, inside jokes (especially about being stand-ups), and tangents on related social phenomena—delivering both education and entertainment.

• The hosts frequently break the fourth wall, referencing their own dynamic and inviting listeners to engage (“let us know in the comments”).
• There is a running thread on how cultural power and media representation shape both progress and backlash.
• The nuanced conclusion: Ellen is a “study in nuance”—not merely a villain or a saint, but a complex, pivotal force in American LGBTQ+ and pop culture.

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Listen to This Episode If:

• You want a comprehensive, funny, and insightful history of Ellen DeGeneres’s career highs and lows.
• You want a critical but not unkind discussion of what it means to be a trailblazer who later falters.
• You’re curious about the evolution of LGBTQ+ representation in media, and the mechanisms of cultural backlash.
• You love pop culture, stand-up history, and dry-witted commentary.

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"She is a trailblazer and, like every human being on earth, she's made mistakes. It's up to the listeners and viewers and people in general—how you want to forgive."
— Misses P ([147:51])

"What I have next time I’ll be kicked out for being old, gay, and mean. The triple crown."
— Ellen DeGeneres (recent interview, [144:44])

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Transcript

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[Misses P]

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[Misses P]

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[Pearl]

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[Misses P]

an incident but good news it's not asbestos bad news we're here at the lovely king of prussia studios not really

[Pearl]

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[Misses P]

is very nice and actually we realized as we sat down to record this very special episode of too many tabs that we've never been in a spot or setting that is more like of all places the ellen degeneres show it

[Pearl]

just has the lighting the vibe it does it feels like we're on ellen it does ellen is a cultural icon

[Misses P]

ellen is in today's episode to wrap up june yeah to wrap up the pride series misses p some of you guys picked up the theme pretty quick they're like they seem to be talking a lot about pride yes today's episode is going to be about ellen degeneres yes and inside all of us there really are two allens right yeah okay

[Pearl]

there's two ellen's inside of us here's the thing ellen degeneres is a comedian actress television host writer producer she started her career in stand up comedy in the eighties and then announced her retirement in twenty twenty four due to allegations of workplace bullying yes right so the thing is if she's an icon she is culturally historically relevant she changed the world for the better for the lgbt lgbt plus q community however she did leave a path of destruction in her

[Misses P]

wake yeah she she changed the lives of millions and she she hurt you know dozens i don't know how many

[Pearl]

we don't know but listen i think that maybe in my opinion ellen is a really clear example of the duality of man right like she is a study in nuance is she a power hungry bully is she a cultural icon who changed the world for better we're gonna let you decide and yeah what

[Misses P]

a place for us to let people decide for the first time ever we actually were like oh we should probably put something behind yeah we i found

[Pearl]

our youtube plaque yeah we have our

[Misses P]

youtube button guys that was from like over a year ago i was like yeah we'll hang it and then it's been sitting on the floor i had to blow plaster dust off of it because our house is full of plaster dust but not asbestos not asbestos yeah that's nice yeah that's very very nice all everyone on our patreon at promania five hundred dot net was in the comments being like what do you mean you think your walls are poison yeah

[Pearl]

it could have been anything could have

[Misses P]

been anything but they've done all the testing but we're so happy to be here in this studio and you're happy to be in a big chair i

[Pearl]

like a big chair i like that i could crisscross applesauce yes yeah this is so strange so surreal don't get used to this we're not going to be able to keep this up well i don't know expensive if more people

[Misses P]

join us at promania five hundred dot net or if we do wilder and wilder ad reads for crazier and crazier millionaires who may or may not steal their children's blood then we could maybe afford things like this more often but let's talk about other people who could

[Pearl]

afford things oh i know someone who

[Misses P]

can afford this who can afford this much more much much more ellen degeneres

[Pearl]

you don't have to say your last name that's the whole thing when i say ellen you know who i'm talking about yes she has madonna level like

[Misses P]

cultural knowledge yet madonna cher oprah oprah

[Pearl]

i'm just saying when you say ellen people know what you're talking about and that is really crazy like considering where she came from she was born ellen lee degeneres on january twenty sixth nineteen fifty eight she's an aquarius you know

[Misses P]

what's crazy what i never thought of the fact that ellen is like my parents age yeah she's a boomer i've always thought of ellen is more gen x oh she's a boomer she's a

[Pearl]

boomer an aquarius boomer okay is it

[Misses P]

astrologically what does that mean me oh

[Pearl]

okay dangerous all right so she was born in like the new orleans area in louisiana okay okay she was raised a christian scientist oh okay okay her parents filed for separation in nineteen seventy three shortly after her mother married her stepdad roy i don't like that you

[Misses P]

don't like that i can already feel the way okay there's one there's you have a tell i have whenever you introduce a man you don't like you say it in a very specific way roy to a stepdad named roy never ends up well not great never ends

[Pearl]

up well yeah it's not going to go well so mom ellen and roy move from new orleans to atlanta texas

[Misses P]

oh wow what a turn i know i was very you said atlanta i was like oh and then you said texas i went no yeah it's three

[Pearl]

hours outside of dallas oh gross yeah

[Misses P]

i know go birds what yeah outside she found they moved her to atlanta near dallas texas not cool atlanta where

[Pearl]

the softball is no anyway prior episode when she was fifteen years old ellen degeneres was molested by her stepfather and it gets worse okay her mother had recently been diagnosed with breast cancer and while her mom was in the hospital the stepdad told her he needed to examine her breasts for lumps which he did and then she like fought him off run runs away hides in her bedroom locks the door jumps out a friggin window and spends the night in hospital hiding from him that's roy okay

[Misses P]

that's insane yeah yo real fast pull it in on me real fast roy

[Pearl]

he's dead yeah oh good yay that

[Misses P]

was the fastest comeuppance we've ever heard

[Pearl]

oh man okay ellen had like a strained relationship with her mom because yeah

[Misses P]

well because yeah okay i would say

[Pearl]

so because he she didn't believe her for a long time and stayed with roy and she finally realized ellen was telling the truth because roy could never keep his story straight also roy was dying and then roy when roy finally died then her mom was finally like yeah i believe you and that's a

[Misses P]

little that's a late that's a little late that's a little late oh now that he can't hurt anyone anymore and now i believe you okay that feels that feels gross i'm going to throw it out there yeah that feels a little bit like an allegory for america and the red hat society all right that's how that feels now that he's gone i believe you now that he's gone i believe you that he molested children that's that's a just so you guys know that's about a three year

[Pearl]

wait till he's gone three year spoiler so she graduates high school and she's gonna go to college and the smell of beignets and delicious cafe demand are calling her because she goes back to new orleans baby okay i need to

[Misses P]

stop you real fast because you said it wrong twice now what did i say it's pronounced nolan's oh okay i

[Pearl]

don't think i'm gonna be know i have incredible hoagie mouth which we've brought

[Misses P]

up many times i know but you keep saying impossible you keep saying new orleans yes i new orleans yeah new

[Pearl]

orleans i don't know yeah listen i got beignets right can i get some

[Misses P]

credit you know what guys get down the chat and first thing like subscribe comment give us five stars and then write good job on the beignets she

[Pearl]

can't even eat them i can't so she goes back to new orleans and to attend the university of new orleans where she majored in communications i thought

[Misses P]

about being a communications major for a

[Pearl]

minute what was your major in i

[Misses P]

had i by the end i went to delaware county community college and i majored in general studies general studies general studies i have an associate's degree yeah in general and that's why you just

[Pearl]

got to remember that this is a comedy history podcast we don't know what

[Misses P]

we're talking about you have an associate's

[Pearl]

degree yeah paralegal yeah i don't know

[Misses P]

what i'm doing which is why we like to remind you that you should always do your own research these are all our own opinions and ellen we swear we're being nice yeah okay we're

[Pearl]

trying so after one semester she leaves school to go work a clerical job at a law firm okay and then she started to the young people job hop as one does she got a job at jcpenney oh then she starts waitressing where tgi fridays same girl same okay help did that but help do the broccoli buffet i know about that

[Misses P]

life can i tell you as somebody who just ate at chili's yesterday how was it it was a matt it was kind of it was amazing okay i get very sad now when i go to like a tgi fridays or a chili's because everyone in there is old it's everyone's old it's it's a weird thing when you go in it's there's not a single person yeah even the waitresses oh well like the waitresses and the bartender it's it the whole thing feels vestigial i really enjoyed working

[Pearl]

at tgi fridays i was like seventeen eighteen it was a great job i was in charge of the salad bar i just had to redo the salad bar and then you had to be in charge of the salad bar for a few months before you were allowed to wait tables yeah and so it was just like opening giant cans of chocolate pudding getting the broccoli salad with

[Misses P]

the cheddar cheese shreds vanilla pudding from a giant can is delicious it's the best one okay rfk tried to take that from us but real i just real fast aside okay real fast i'm listening i used to call all of them shit on the walls restaurants yeah because it was like tgi fridays ruby tuesdays ben agains ground round out i have such fond memories of all those places i used to go there all the time with my grandma it was one of the few places i knew that was safe when she you know she had like dementia and stuff like that we could take her there and she could always get something she could find and i just i miss them and now that's my nostalgia that's your nostalgia my tunis that my two like nostalgia tier where i'm like i understand conservatives a little bit and like oh they took they took this from us type of feeling who private equ equity malls huh and and and on the

[Pearl]

wall restaurants yeah private equity took them both from you they did yeah nobody else but private equity stripped all of our humanity she also worked as a house painter a hostess and a bartender i need you to know that what i've described is the recipe to be

[Misses P]

funny yeah well you just have basically my life my life legit i was a house painter yeah yeah i didn't

[Pearl]

do that i didn't work at jc pennies i worked at sears yeah i

[Misses P]

worked retail i worked retail but yeah job humped hunting hoping yeah hopping is the word i was looking for but humping works probably too this is like this is a thing that you have to do you need a lot of experience to be funny yeah a lot

[Pearl]

of different jobs she starts performing stand up comedy at small clubs and coffee shops by nineteen eighty one she was the emcee at clyde's comedy club in new orleans okay all right she was

[Misses P]

like their regular she was their regular

[Pearl]

mc yeah exactly yeah she cited at the time that her biggest inspirations and influences influences in comedy were steve martin oh and woody allen oh oh see that's gonna be a common theme i think with ellen is you're gonna go oh oh yeah over and over again

[Misses P]

steve martin you're like one of the greats woody allen oh no no gross

[Pearl]

scarlett yeah oh no yeah well i

[Misses P]

mean his daughter wife still likes him i think that's the thing with woody allen he got a daughter wife yeah

[Pearl]

that's that's not great that's not good

[Misses P]

that's not a good time you shouldn't

[Pearl]

be on the side of the guy with the daughter wife yeah you really

[Misses P]

can't be that' i i steve martin's

[Pearl]

very funny he is so funny and

[Misses P]

this is this is an interesting time because i do remember look at this i can lean back you can lean

[Pearl]

back you feel comfy in it do you like it yeah i love it

[Misses P]

it's pretty good it's nice yeah no but this is this is around this you said this is like eighty one she was born in fifty eight so yeah she's in like her early twenties

[Pearl]

partying she's partying comedy serving tables she's

[Misses P]

meeting people i bet this is i bet this is part of the time she looks back on fondly i do the same thing and then my wife reminds me that it was hell she's like oh yeah have fun oh you're gonna perform in the back of a bar called jp mcshakey's in delaware county pennsylvania and some dude's gonna throw a knife at your head yeah yeah sounds great babe what do they pay you in yingling no you had to pay for them yourselves wow you did comedy

[Pearl]

and lost money oh drink tickets are they gonna pay our mortgage so she goes on a national tour and she tours all over and she's really successful oh yeah in nineteen eighty four she was named showtime's funniest person in america really so the same year we were born she was already the funniest person in america and you know what i

[Misses P]

have i will say i have seen early ellen stand up yeah i've seen like the eighties ellen because i remember

[Pearl]

she had a strong mullet game she

[Misses P]

had a very strong mullet game but it's very clean yeah actually honestly i know he's going through it right now but like nate bargazzi and ellen very similar because it's like pseudo observational yeah it's very it's stuff that like parents can laugh at and kids can laugh at it doesn't feel over anyone's head there's no like wink wink nudge nudge to it at all yeah one of her bits i remember beat was like her i think it was like her at a party like taking a bite of something as somebody walked and she's like this is my personal presentation of you take a bite if somebody walks up to say hello to you and it's hard just like like that for like way too long yeah it's very funny like her old like her stuff from when she was young and hungry yeah very very funny how dare you

[Pearl]

say that she is old and full so

[Misses P]

i mean i know not to say usually when you cover things i know nothing about somebody but like this time you i know enough you know

[Pearl]

how the story ends i know i

[Misses P]

know i know i have i have aspects of how the story so ellen

[Pearl]

degeneres appeared on the tonight show with johnny carson okay her november twenty eighth nineteen eighty six debut was a massive milestone she made history as the very first female comedian johnny carson ever invited to sit down on his coveted couch after performing her stand up set really yes she was the first female comedian to be asked to come sit down

[Misses P]

and talk so yeah that's a huge to those of you guys who don't know a carson that made careers there's a thing now like now people don't understand it because the tonight show used to be the biggest deal in stand up comedy if you did the if you did the tonight show and you did all right you could work as at least a feature a touring club comic for probably the rest of your life was the idea especially in like the eighties during the comedy boom yeah you could go up and anywhere in the world anywhere in america would book you if you got called to the couch what it was is you had five minutes the end of the tonight show yeah where you get up and you talk you tell your bits haha everybody's laughs oh that's so funny that's so funny and and then that would end yeah and if johnny really liked you he'd say come over here come over here tell me a little bit more about yourself yeah and that little intro bio tell me a little bit more about yourself and sit down on the couch and just tell me a little bit more that meant from that moment forward you were not only a headliner the studios were going to talk to you agents are going to be pounding on your door you might get brand deals might be able to become a commercial like literally a commercial actor like you actually do commercials yeah and be like a spokesman for people they weren't doing comedians weren't doing arena tours at that level back then but you could do something you could do the bigger clubs instead of like i'm gonna do a wednesday you're gonna get whole weekends at like danger fields like this is like groundbreaking yeah and for her to get called it's also crazy because i think carson retires like five years later like he retires in like ninety one so he he was on the air for like forty fucking years yeah and the first woman that he calls over is ellen degeneres i bet he

[Pearl]

would have called joan over but he had that long feud joan he had

[Misses P]

joan rivers he had as a fill

[Pearl]

in fill in but then they yeah

[Misses P]

he got mad at her because she tried to she's funnier than him well and well and when she tried to she had her own show for a minute and he did his competition and then he because she was competition yeah and she was funnier she was funnier than him yeah it was it was a different type of humor yeah it's a different form good good humor wow

[Pearl]

so okay he was going through his

[Misses P]

ninth divorce or some shit yeah all right we had to you know i like how you worded it because she was the first female comedian he called over to the couch while the show was on air yes we don't know if he was the first woman that he ever called over to the couch because you know johnny carson got them

[Pearl]

all right okay so nineteen eighty eight she gets a small part on a tv show called duet and then that show got a spin off called open house where she got a recurring role on that show so this is where she's getting into sitco tv okay early ellen early ellen sitcom she's a guest star right in nineteen ninety three she gets her first movie role in coneheads

[Misses P]

ellen's in coneheads yes i watch coneheads so many times on hbo she plays

[Pearl]

the high school swimming coach they made her a high school gym teacher it's

[Misses P]

very on the nose okay i remember there's a there's a sight gag yeah

[Pearl]

because she has this the cat she

[Misses P]

has the big cap on and then when she dives the conehead daughter yeah coneheads is an snl spin off movie about aliens that have heads shaped like cones where no only like two guys know that they're aliens yeah actually they're being chased by ins which is immigration and natural is immigration naturalization services which was the precursor to ice great and the whole joke is nobody takes them seriously because nobody gives a shit about ins it's like that's like a running joke in nineteen ninety three three about like immigration in america and like that and yeah the daughter the teenage daughter is a swimmer she puts this massive skull like swimmer's cap on yeah and then when she lands in the water there's there's like a negative splash yeah because she just goes slips right in because of the way the shape of her head yeah she's the perfect diver is the running joke i forgot ellen you're right ellen is in there and she has that like very very she's

[Pearl]

got early nineties early nineties coach energy

[Misses P]

it's so wild talking about ellen and then people not knowing is like when you find out people didn't think liberace you know what i mean like liberace is like hello i'm liberace and ellen's out there mullet yeah they immediately cast her as a swim like come on

[Pearl]

so after these these few things she lands her own self titled show called

[Misses P]

ellen okay this is the original the original ellen the original ellen show the

[Pearl]

sitcom show and ellen and real fast

[Misses P]

real fast one thing i do want to say is ellen tell ellen followed the path that a lot of eighties and nineties comics wanted to follow and there was a lot of and there was a couple different ways you could see this it's confusing now for people because the studios have fallen apart the structure has fallen apart because of the internet because of podcasts because of you know tick tock and everything else the the and streaming the old way though was you got good at stand up and then you moved to la and then you could become an actor yeah and then there's a flip side of it too where some actors couldn't get work so then they would do stand up to be seen next to the ellen degeneres or the drew carey i mean you look at like bill cosby is one who actually like formatted this a lot there's all of these these these guys red fox is another amazing comic from back in the day he was he played sanford and son yeah sanford so there's a bunch of different ones where historically this was a way for stand up comedians to one get off the road and two finally get that cash in yeah which is wild and so if you want to see me before i get off the road crashing out tour dot com coming to twelve different cities with me and phil defranco guys you could check it out you know let's go ahead let's go and put a little bug right here across the bottom it just says crashing out toward dot com we go down the show description i just want to throw that out there because you know this things have changed oh yeah things have changed i'm not going to like go to l a one day do stand up get picked up for an snl spin off movie where we're hiding my sexuality for a while and then get a self titled show called perlman yeah it's not going to work not nobody no no one would tune into a show called alex first thing that's

[Pearl]

never going to happen no ellen is to give him like the you'd be very king of queens it'd be you being like and i'm like what the word why don't you know where the

[Misses P]

scissors are so funny can i tell you why i started at the same club as him kevin james really yeah northeast comedy cabaret the comedy cabaret like they had like kevin james and like one other guy came through there yeah and they always i remember when i started out doing stand up comedy did this massive picture of kevin james like what is this up here and they were like you mean paul blart this is before paul blart this was before

[Pearl]

paul they couldn't have known how big he was going to get they had no idea okay so she lands her own self titled show called ellen that ran from nineteen ninety four to nineteen ninety eight yes and it had an incredible roster of guest stars okay let me tell you about some of the guest stars that appeared on the original ellen sitcom list them bruce campbell wow martha stewart kevin mcdonald okay mary tyler moore anne heche carrie fisher bea arthur mariska hargitay janine garofalo sarah mclachlan kathy griffin k d lang leslie jordan oprah bonnie ray joan jett ann rice helen hunt melissa etheridge glenn close juliana margulies cindy crawford jada pinkett smith gina gershon queen latifah and of course laura dern

[Misses P]

wow that's an incredible list that's such an incredible list of guest stars it's also from the time too another thing i miss oh misses p i miss but i tell you what i miss what when they used to no beyond but when when somebody famous would show up on a sitcom and everyone would lose their mind yeah and you on

[Pearl]

the audience would go crazy yeah because

[Misses P]

they'd walk like they'd open the doors like oh who is it and they'd open the door like it's jelly roll

[Pearl]

and then they close the lock the door before he steals all the copper wiring in the walls what are we

[Misses P]

talking about yeah no i'm i i miss that though i do miss because like the shows that do still do there's a few shows that still do studio audiences yeah but they feel canned yeah like they they feel and that's actually because of fran drescher oh yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a very specific reason about that but they have professionals there was a while where they had professional studio audiences i would crush at

[Pearl]

that i would cry you want me to sit here maybe have a little snack in a bev and then just clap clap clap when the sign says

[Misses P]

you know how to pretend very well

[Pearl]

super good at it yeah oh yeah

[Misses P]

if you guys want to know if you guys want to see misses p's real on pretending that she's having a good time and enjoying somebody doing some whack bullshit next to her watch the last one hundred and eighty two episodes

[Pearl]

of too many tabs so well i

[Misses P]

think a lot of those you can only listen yeah you can't actually see her you can only see you for like the last like couple of no not couple it's like last forty last

[Pearl]

forty episodes yeah before that you have to use your ears get to use

[Misses P]

your ears and you could hear her acting out you've gotten very good by the way thank you you've gotten very good at pretending that what i'm saying

[Pearl]

it's a true skill also when i was on the imd page i saw that in nineteen ninety six in one of her first roles at age eleven kaylee cuoco played little ellen and so then i was like wait a minute is ellen the reason we all have to suffer through people thinking big bang

[Misses P]

theory is funny okay stop stop right there all right because okay whatever the big bang theory but you can't talk shit on cuoco i can't no she's amazing she's really good she's nice okay the harley quinn animated series on hbo max is incredible it's very good and i will not sit here and have you if we're already going to have to talk shit about ellen yeah we can't also talk shit about the lesbian version of harley quinn and poison ivy which is it kelly cuoco or kaley kaylee kaylee yeah kaley cuoco is like a showrunner on and fought really really hard to be like no harley quinn needs to be a lesbian yeah like no no this is not head canon this is it's a multiverse dc comics before the ellisons purchase all of it

[Pearl]

also this show had jeremy piven on

[Misses P]

it oh yeah he's a monster yeah i forgot about him but yeah jerry he's from entourage you guys remember google it google it yeah there's accusations when

[Pearl]

we take let's take a break okay and when we come back i'm gonna tell you about what changes everything okay

[Misses P]

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[Pearl]

as well bonus content we just dropped a new food idiot which barely is a recipe it's really just two people losing their minds in the dark yep and then the after party where we respond to your comments from youtube patreon and the secret youtube yeah secret youtube

[Misses P]

which is where you can watch this show without ads yeah which is also very very fun that's true and misses pig yeah i have a feeling because you alluded to it okay we're talking about the first ellen show the original ellen it was just called ellen it

[Pearl]

was just called ellen just called ellen

[Misses P]

and you're saying everything's about to change

[Pearl]

yes so by the end of the third season the producers were becoming frustrated by the series lack of focus and lack of interest that the main character ellen morgan that was the character's name ellen morgan had for standard sitcom tropes like dating disney boss michael eisner suggested that since the character showed no inclination towards dating she should just get a puppy and there's a quote it was an indication of just how lost the show was that the network executives would be excited for ellen getting a puppy

[Misses P]

that's so that's so insane yeah that's so because the show's doing well it's doing well it had what five seasons i think you said yeah yeah so the show's doing well but they're like it could be sloppier it could be

[Pearl]

more sloppy you're lacking romance and that's what we need to sell the laundry detergent between the ads yeah right it

[Misses P]

was just ads yeah that's insane can i just say something real fast too there is a there's a a very insane thing that we haven't touched on what's that ellen did another movie during this time okay and it's a movie with i think it's bill paxton bill pullman bill pullman different bill different bill do you know what that movie's called do you remember that exist i don't remember it i only remember this because i remember walking past it at blockbuster and always being like that's too on the nose yeah do you know what was called no it was called mister wrong okay it's a dark comedy where ellen degeneres is like dating this guy who's terrible and she's looking for mister right

[Pearl]

she's not gonna find her she's

[Misses P]

not gonna find no dude no and this is exactly what i'm talking about though yeah the producers who are making movies like ellen you're gonna have this movie where you you don't enjoy dating this guy and she's like okay she's

[Pearl]

like i'm gonna nail this i'm gonna

[Misses P]

be really really good at this and then the same thing she has this highly successful tv show and they're like

[Pearl]

where's the man so the sitcom is successful in doing incredible numbers and then okay this is a sidebar a tab i found which is that she gets this deal in nineteen ninety six that includes jamie lee curtis bill nye the science guy and alex trebek yeah she gets her own ride at disney's epcot called ellen's energy adventure and it was like a dinosaur themed ride which it was open for twenty years it only shut down in twenty seventeen wait she

[Misses P]

ellen degeneres yes had her own epcot ride yes called ellen's energy adventure featuring i'm sorry bill nye bill by the

[Pearl]

science guy jamie lee curtis and alex trebek okay and it was it was a dinosaur themed ride because it was actually just pro fossil fuel propaganda presented

[Misses P]

by exxon oh my gosh she did it's dinoco it's dinoco it's dinosaur from pixar and and cars no but originally

[Pearl]

dinoco shows up in toy story when they stop at the gas station i

[Misses P]

know i know we know very we know too much about the interconnectedness of the pixar universe because it's in the background when the truck when the the the yo truck yeah stops the pizza guy yeah the pizza planet truck stops at a gas station it's a dinoco gas station yes but it was brought to you by exxon yes yes it's

[Pearl]

incredible it was like okay so it was one of those rides where like you get i think in like a little roller coaster setting i just want

[Misses P]

to just real fast i know go ahead get hate me all you want hate me all you want people are

[Pearl]

going to hate you for not liking

[Misses P]

epcot i think so because people who were people who are super into the disney parks oh well they'll defend everything that's true okay they'll defend everything epcot's lame even though i haven't been to it in thirty years i remember it as a kid being like what is this i don't know and like because it's supposed to be i know everyone i know ever goes to epcot they're like we're gonna drink around the world in a day and i'm like or you could travel you could just go around to a real place and have

[Pearl]

a new experience no so it's like one of those rides where like you're on a roller coaster and then it's like slowly going through and you're watching a movie no it's the hershey park it's the hershey park hershey park chocolate

[Misses P]

fountain right we do explain that i got to explain that there is there's chocolate propaganda in pennsylvania you have to go to hershey park and it's one of the first rides you see and they basically put you in a fake chocolate fountain where you're on it's basically a dark ride yeah which is like the lights are kind of turned down a little bit and you're on this little raft thing that kind of like floats through and it just plays movies around of like this is how we get cocoa leaves yeah and these are and we're definitely sustainable and we treat the farmers well ignore the crimes yeah

[Pearl]

ignore the crime there's a lot of

[Misses P]

like the ignore look how happy the

[Pearl]

cows are the cows are sick oh

[Misses P]

and then we and we milk local pennsylvania cows with the raw milk and you're like this is crazy but she did ellen did the same thing for fracking yeah for sure with gay icons and oil also rupaul ellen oil also

[Pearl]

i listen i would never besmirch his good name but why the is bill nye the science guy there i don't know why is bill nye in the exxon propaganda bill he's done a lot

[Misses P]

of work since then he had to

[Pearl]

make up for it he had to have definitely okay so ell i wonder

[Misses P]

i do wonder i know i know i know you probably don't have research about i do wonder if it was sold to him as different it you

[Pearl]

know what i didn't watch all of the videos where like you can because they have the videos on youtube okay people like videotape that is basically the video is like ellen falls asleep and she's dreaming and in this dream she goes on a tour of like oil and coal things of like clean energy and bill nye is explaining to her how clean energy is so he's doing the science he's doing the science part but he's like like and she's and like there's like a part a beautiful clean coal and beautiful clean oil energy i was like and he's like but it's like very like i don't know how to describe this she asked a question about like well like is there any chance that like this could negatively affect global warming and bill and i was like well the science really isn't conclusive yet and i was like how much did that sentence cost bill yeah send me that check with a twelve

[Misses P]

point five million dollars bill it should be twelve point five million dollars i hope it was i you know what i can't be we can't be searched too much i will say that's very funny yeah that's that's incredible i love the idea of ellen degeneres global oil

[Pearl]

apologist it's so crazy so for kids

[Misses P]

for kids for kids imagine you're like oh where are we going we're going to see mickey mouse no get on ellen's energy express we're going to learn about oil oil time why is it

[Pearl]

about dinosaurs dad oh because the dinosaurs

[Misses P]

are the oil that's also my other favorite too because it's not really die i do sometimes i used to joke that we are fighting over dragon blood every time there's a war in the middle east it's actually we're fighting over magical dragon blood yeah because it's a fossil fuel but the fossil for the most part is plants yeah not these ones these are fake oh wow whoa

[Pearl]

that means they are fossil fuels because they're made of petroleum which is what

[Misses P]

that's made of even this one yeah

[Pearl]

yeah so ellen is gonna get that puppy okay well there's gonna be a puppy episode oh all right i forgot

[Misses P]

we went at all too many aside

[Pearl]

i gotta bring you back the nineteen

[Misses P]

ninety six was a pivotal year for a lot of people for us we

[Pearl]

were twelve yeah twelve it was pivotal magical time i had to have my jaw separated before my braces got put

[Misses P]

on so that was super cool i had the i had the the spacer thing yeah because i had a tooth coming in the roof of my mouth and they had to grab a tooth and then like like cut a hole

[Pearl]

yeah twelve is just time for dental

[Misses P]

interventions like i give anybody grace for twelve yeah for sure oh they tweeted something when they were twelve yeah i'm sure yeah they're going through it they

[Pearl]

had braces so the puppy episode is a two part episode ellen's character realizes that she is a lesbian and she comes out within the two part episode

[Misses P]

the title spoilers by the way babe

[Pearl]

oh sorry spoilers you mean to tell

[Misses P]

me ellen's gay what oh my god

[Pearl]

so this title was used as a code name for ellen's coming out episode so they could keep the episode a secret so they so on all the documents it just said the puppy and

[Misses P]

not cat okay well i'm just saying

[Pearl]

it could cause it goes back to what eisner said yeah of her buying

[Misses P]

a puppy and they don't understand no i understand that but there is a

[Pearl]

world out there no there's not behind the scenes ellen had been negotiating with abc brass to have ellen morgan come out of the closet when word of the negotiations got out ellen degeneres found herself in the center of intense speculation about when she or her character or both were going to come out when degenerate and then degeneres didn't really help things because she was constantly hinting at her or her character or both coming out off screen on the show or within the show yeah yeah so she was doing what what do they call it like the eggs oh easter eggs she was easter egging all the time

[Misses P]

she was swiftying she was doing taylor

[Pearl]

swift easter eggs she was doing taylor swift easter eggs about it the whole

[Misses P]

time because the gaylords would have had such a good time back then oh

[Pearl]

the gaylors would have been they would

[Misses P]

have had such a good time i do want to say one thing because i do remember watching a bio like a bio thing about ellen years and years ago ellen this actually happened with a lot of out stars especially from the nineties a lot in eighties and nineties stars a lot of them came out out when they were younger in their late teens early twenties especially ones that were very artistic so ellen was out when she was doing stand up in new orleans she had a girlfriend people knew but as she moved to la she kind of went back into the closet and was very protective another one who did that was paul reubens who's peewee herman peewee herman and there was just a documentary about him very out when he was living in florida in art school had all these movies where he was was playing gay characters and very open with his sexuality but again as hollywood came knocking and they're like well how is this going to play in iowa yeah how is this going to play in the midwest how's this going to play in the south they pulled back because they they knew that they wouldn't get as many commercial deals they wouldn't have the opportunities the studios would be afraid because of how would brand partnerships work you know and

[Pearl]

then those things yeah so when the word of potential lesbianism got out there the backlash immediately began the backlash to

[Misses P]

the backlash for the thing that just

[Pearl]

begun studio received bomb threats ellen was followed by a car to the studio on at least one occasion by suspicious mans however someone some in the entertainment industry thought that this whole coming out thing was simply a rating stunt really yeah so there was also an undercurrent of people being like this isn't real she's just doing this for ratings what

[Misses P]

do they call that what do they call that when you like pretend you're gay for fans oh there is a word for it there's a word for it i can't remember what it's called

[Pearl]

we'll think of it let us know in the comments this is gonna be

[Misses P]

the thing this is like retaining wall write it in the comments oh man

[Pearl]

i know what it is because they always say the one pop star guy

[Misses P]

is doing they they accuse kenny omega of the golden lovers of doing it in pro wrestling all the time there's a few there's like pop stars will do it though they'll claim it for yeah because there's a whole queer baiting queer baiting yes nailed it yes we did it oh my god you know what it is what it's the studio it's the studio the first time ever i think that's the first time in the history of this good lighting made my brain work good lighting just nice vibes behind us yeah wallpaper that isn't cracking that isn't falling apart and bubbling

[Pearl]

stop acknowledging the wallpaper that may or may not be cracking and falling apart

[Misses P]

behind us well that's not the wall that's the problem the walls that were the problem were below the studio so okay so so people were accusing in nineteen ninety six they were like like you're pretending to be gay for money money ellen yeah it's like people are trying to kill me yeah like what

[Pearl]

are you talking about so she begins dropping hints on episodes leading up to the puppy episode that she was planning on coming out including sight gags as in ellen morgan the character stumbling into an actual closet so that she could come out of it it that's very

[Misses P]

funny a little on the nose the closet ellen actually legitimately said it and then the crowd then the crowd laughed like it was the funniest thing they ever heard in their entire life and you could hear people fall over in the aisles yeah i miss those i do want to say there was a time that that the three camera sitcom yeah has such a time and a place and i think movies like the natural born killers kind of ruined it there's like the natural born killers there was that other one that was the heroin movie but there's like a few ones like that where people are in these really really dark times but then like there's like a three camera sitcom or a game show is on the tv yeah and it's like the juxtaposition is really dark i don't need that

[Pearl]

i don't need that right now you

[Misses P]

know it's hard enough i need i need the light yeah i need that i need the saccharine sweet right now

[Pearl]

i do desperately so the reflecting pool still green babe okay this is not the time to talk about the reflecting that's one crashing out did ellen degeneres finally officially came out in time magazine on april fourteenth nineteen ninety seven it was actually the COVID story she has this big cover and it just said

[Misses P]

yup i'm gay i remember this me too i remember the news covered it this was like the biggest it was

[Pearl]

the biggest thing this was the biggest i remember everybody talking about it yeah in the neighborhood at church when you went to the corner store because like the magazine was everywhere yeah people like

[Misses P]

just yeah and then there was like some some place i remember there was like some pharmacies or like some corners like seven eleven and stuff like that i don't remember which one in particular but some of them like covered it

[Pearl]

yeah they like turned it around or

[Misses P]

removed it or they put like the same way they used to when they'd sell adult magazines yeah there were these blockers that they would put up so you could still read the title but there was like a plastic yeah like thing that went in front of it which is crazy but they were just like yeah we can't even acknowledge oh no ellen and again too remember ellen was family friendly yeah that was the

[Pearl]

whole extremely likable family friendly content yeah

[Misses P]

and so the fact that she was like yep i'm gay and they're like

[Pearl]

no not ellen also ellen appeared on the oprah winfrey show with her then girlfriend anne heche the same day the puppy episode goes live so this is all a coordinated effort at this point point the the time magazine cover hits it's an explosion all over media people are going nuts and then she goes on oprah which is you know a huge talk show at the time and there she is with her girlfriend i remember watching this yeah she's with anne hayes she's talking they're talking about their relationship blah blah and then that night at prime time television the puppy episode goes live yeah so everybody's been talking this is when water cooler talk was at its peak this is the we've been talking about this for days and

[Misses P]

we had monoculture yep because now when something happens like you don't even know what the amazing digital circus is i

[Pearl]

am inside of an amazing digital no

[Misses P]

you're not no you're not no because apparently it has controversy i know nothing about it because i there's these all there's so many things now that we'll hear about right where there are moments where they'll be oh this new this new show everybody's so excited for season five of drywall oh and you're like what huh huh they're like jason sudeikis has been you know you're like jason jacobs has work like there's so many things like this now because of streaming because it's on nineteen different apps yeah there's there's such a break and god

[Pearl]

help you if you're on apple they

[Misses P]

don't promote they don't promote and things yeah such good shows such good shows

[Pearl]

and they never tell you they never

[Misses P]

do you'll hear a little bit about one in passing yeah because terry gross might mention it once on npr if you happen to meet your car at three pm in the philadelphia area you but that's about it but with all of these all of these are like this and so like there's certain shows like i think stranger things was one of the last pieces of monoculture because that was like the early netflix everybody tried stranger things but this moment i remember the oprah interview what i remember in particular and this is what's so crazy oprah i don't think everybody remembers though oprah sally jesse raphael a lot of the daytime talk shows those were our comment sections those were the areas for your kind of local idiots to be able to ask questions like this yeah and i remember it was ellen and anne heche they're sitting there i think they're holding hands they're like sitting on the couch and oprah's in the crowd and this white mom stands up and she has to be like mid thirties and she'll be like i have to explain why do i have to explain to my kid that you're gay why do you have to put it on the COVID of the magazine we were just at the grocery store war and i look up my kid goes mom what's gay and it's like what are we talking about yeah like it's there's okay next to it by the way was like bosnian war crimes well and that's on the COVID you're not like you're not worried about that you're

[Pearl]

not explaining your child about bosnia no

[Misses P]

yeah no but i mean like this is but this is the type of thing they always they bring this up we talked about in the last episode how many times you know they'll try to claim that anything that even mentions gay people they want to have like in hungary they had them put in and like yeah they want to have anything that has trans inclusion removed we look at our government alone removing anything having to do with dei or the history of racism in this country we have these people who act like acknowledging things exist therefore make people that thing and it drives me crazy and ellen actually was this moment with ellen for a lot of people was kind of eye opening of what do you mean you're mad that you even notice it and this same type of stuff happened with like star trek with like the first interracial kiss there's so many things when like television had such power in it on how to have breakthrough you know to to areas where these communities existed but people denied that they were even there

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[Pearl]

quick sidebar i opened i got i started looking into anne heche because i was like i remember anne heche rest in peace rest her spirit rip anne so but the thing is she has a pretty interesting and horrifying backstory and he yes and the thing is is like i remember like i like remember anne heche being like a cool actress like i remember she had the short pixie cut hair yes and she was very cool and she was like a rising star predating ellen yeah but then after ellen it like we never heard from her again until we heard bad news yeah but so then i was like let me let me open a tab and figure out about anh where did she come from right so she was raised by fundamentalist christians who she described as being raised in a cult she had this incredibly abusive father who was a closeted gay man who told his family he had cancer and that he was dying of cancer but he had actually contracted hiv and died of aids and that's how ann found out about what hiv aids is is after her dad died of it which is so crazy and so then anne anne was like in her book she talks about this she stated that her father being closeted ultimately destroyed his happiness and our family but it did teach her to tell the truth no matter what and so like that's why she's like a like a rigorously honest person yeah

[Misses P]

and she's very open about like yeah

[Pearl]

she was open about everything her ment health issues all her struggles and that she said is because watching someone live a lie that destroyed everything she could never do that got it also also also buckle up this is crazy and

[Misses P]

he dated lindsey buckingham wait lindsey buckingham from fleetwood ma yes but lindsey real fast lindsay buckingham's a man yes oh

[Pearl]

and he is a bisexual queen yeah

[Misses P]

which is and here's the thing having been twelve when this all happened when anne hayes was ellen degeneres girlfriend on oprah and everything else total buyer ratio yeah no one at the time and for years they never want to admit that anne haysh was probably like as close to like fifty fifty buy as you can get yeah where she just dated everyone i mean now i think now we probably just say that she's poly but at the time like bisexuality was like a new idea it's like weirdly there is an insane i think it's newsweek or time magazine cover yeah mister third will put it on this

[Pearl]

if we can find it oh no

[Misses P]

you can find it all right it is like a lady in a sports coat and a guy with the worst ponytail and goatee you've ever seen like honestly i think i'm dressed like that guy right now i think i'm just like the bi guy from the newsweek cover yeah but like they could be like it's a new thing it's called bisexuality and but yeah with anne haysch there was a whole thing because they were together for a while and spoilers for this whole episode eventually they break up yeah and then it was always treated like and faked it yeah and she never did she just was like she liked ellen she was with ellen yeah and then she met somebody else before and after but she dated lindsay bucky the guitarist stevie nicks's ex yes okay huh she dated okay so maybe anne haysch had bad taste in people

[Pearl]

so then she also dated steve martin

[Misses P]

what yes what what which i think

[Pearl]

is so funny because remember earlier ellen said that steve martin was one of her biggest inspiration

[Misses P]

i gotta just sit in this for a minute yeah oh my god tick tock would destroy him now yeah so the age gap there

[Pearl]

is crazy well you know what happened is a lot because of the rampant homophobia and biracial of the of the nineties right and haysh and ellen had a big age gap as well like ten years okay and so a lot of people would always say that ellen turned and gay older yeah because she was ten years older than her even

[Misses P]

though steve martin is even older than

[Pearl]

ellen that doesn't matter okay dating a

[Misses P]

young woman even though historically that's there's always been these massive ones especially when women do it bad leonardo dicaprio has never been accused of being a groomer

[Pearl]

no i don't think so i don't okay so you know what check the epstein list so also here's the thing i when i was still looking up anne haysh because i really just started i was like she is so interesting yeah anne haysh's mother nancy page became a christian therapist and since nineteen ninety seven and remember in nineteen ninety seven since nineteen ninety seven she has been focusing her therapy on overcoming homosexuality and she goes to she's a speaker at events sponsored by the christian right notably the ex gay ministry love one out which is run by focus in the

[Misses P]

family wait so her mom and haitian's mom is a conversion therapist yes that's crazy i know and and she okay and focusing the family with dobson yes did we ever do it did we

[Pearl]

ever do it we've talked a lot

[Misses P]

about we've mentioned him before yeah i got banned from their campus i know you did yeah so i pointed out that their fees on their atm were high enough that the jesus would have a problem with with it the puppy

[Pearl]

episode generated enormous publicity before the show aired right wing groups pressured abc to drop the storyline two advertisers decided not to buy time during that episode that was chrysler and jcpenney she used to work for you no how dare you

[Misses P]

jc penny how dare you well let's go check in on jcpenney today well

[Pearl]

another sponsor who decided not to advertise on ellen ever again was wendy's really wendy's when they talk a lot of

[Misses P]

shit on the internet wendy's having some chick fil a energy exactly that's crazy

[Pearl]

everyone's replies wendy's you're going to come up here with your square burger and talk shit by the way by the

[Misses P]

way wendy's wendy's real fast i just want to make a note we noticed you don't reply as much ever since ever since the owners of your company gave all that money to trump you stopped you stopped replying so much didn't you buddy yeah yeah you did kept getting ratios kept getting a ratio because you'd be like oh yeah epic fail and people like oh here's the fec filings against wendy's it's wild love and open secrets dot org so oh and

[Pearl]

then of course there's all these losses because of the potential these advertisers leaving having other advertisers came forward that wanted to be a part of the episode but abc turned them away including the human rights campaign we wanted to run an ad during this episode and a lesbian vacation company called olivia cruises which i looked up and still exists and honestly they look very fun they look

[Misses P]

fun they look very fun olivia cruises

[Pearl]

olivia like olivia benson like olivia rodrigo olivia benson okay but olivia rodrigo is

[Misses P]

doing an all woman tour now now

[Pearl]

well yes i would go to that daisy chain but i think that i've already brought up mariska hargitay once so i get to say olivia benson okay

[Misses P]

i got you okay but olivia cruises

[Pearl]

olivia cruz olivia cruz they said no we don't want to run your ad

[Misses P]

yeah much they're like a little too on the nose like she's saying she's gay all right did subaru sponsor no did you actually look you have no idea i don't know i feel like that would be a little another one

[Pearl]

it's probably in the time magazine it

[Misses P]

probably is is yeah i bet if

[Pearl]

you looked at time magazine there's a

[Misses P]

subaru ad was there a carabiner company

[Pearl]

so jerry falwell goes on a crusade against ellen degeneres and starts calling her ellen degenerate oh fuck you which i know because my grandfather used to call her ellen degenerate all the time really yeah like whenever i would have ellen on tv he'd be like are you watching ellen degenerate again and i was like why don't you like her and like i never understood because i was watching the daytime show at that point

[Misses P]

to be fair to be fair i want to say one thing yeah your grandfather fell for that type of thing all the time that's why i voted for trump so because he was just one of those type of people where it's like once you gave him a nickname he was like that's their whole

[Pearl]

oh i could somebody i could hate someone okay all right so glad organized come out with ellen house parties all across the united states states yes and the hrc the human rights campaign created an ellen coming out house party kit that included invitations posters and an ellen trivia game and they had initially planned to send out about three hundred kits however they received so many requests they ended up sending out three thousand so that means that on the night this episode aired three thousand lesbian house parties

[Misses P]

were going on well it wasn't just lesbians too no it was everybody this

[Pearl]

was everybody i'm giving the lesbians the

[Misses P]

house parties okay no i understand i

[Pearl]

know with a good charcuterie board yeah oh it's going to be great and

[Misses P]

amazing amazing everybody's home carpentry as soon

[Pearl]

as the show's over though we're going to bed immediately leave by nine yes

[Misses P]

but also i want to the reason why this moment was so big is there had been characters on shows that were like walk on characters oh like the substitute teacher that was you know the recurring a recurring character never a me main yeah never a main character they were always a joke it was but them coming out was always a joke and it was usually at the expense of somebody like archie bunker finding out somebody's gay yeah or there were characters on like night court where they're like oh and then they at the end another character you know these two characters you see them leaving hand in hand together they were always a butt of the joke yeah but it was never the title character yeah you know what i mean like ellen is the same as like drew carey or other like they had these massive names and again family friendly this was a tv pg or g show yeah everybody watched it was on abc it was during like the family hour type of stuff yep and this is like having an having the entire nation watch somebody come out because a lot of people had never experienced that yeah when they when people did come out for the first time it was quietly to people that they felt comfortable with often not even their own families especially in the late eighties and the nineties with the stigma around hiv aids and just like the way the culture wars were going this is just twenty oh let's see this is ninety six stonewall was sixty nine so we're like twenty seven years from stonewall like that's crazy yeah like that's that's like that's like wild like this is oh to put it in perspective we're about to out as you're watching this episode right now if you're watching this in twenty twenty six we are almost the same amount of distance away from nine eleven as ellen coming out was from the stonewall riots like think about that of like what that jug you know that that jump is and like that is like that's wild for a lot of people and so for some people like us who are younger we're like yeah that's you come out you're gay it's fine yeah but for older people like there you do that on tv at eight o' clock right

[Pearl]

after dinner at eight o' clock with

[Misses P]

my brandy but i just i was

[Pearl]

watching jeopardy so the abc what is gay the that's the answer at the abc affiliate in birmingham alabama citing family values sought abc's permission to move the episode out of prime time to late night and then abc declined the request and then the affiliate refused the air the episode at all what i tell you however what i tell you local lgbtq plus organization pride birmingham arranged for a satellite feed for the episode and rented a local theater for a viewing party and a set oh like a thousand people attended to come sit in a theater and watch this episode imagine

[Misses P]

being out to go watch ellen at a theater in birmingham alabama mm what the fuck also i think it might have been birmingham i think they were the same ones who refused to air the star trek episode where kirk and ahura kiss which was the first interracial kiss during like segregation like all the way back in the sixties like like this is like these same affiliates have done the same it's probably the same old guy it might have been the

[Pearl]

same old guy and then his son yeah so april third we gotta sell

[Misses P]

fertilizer you can't be having gay next to my fertilizer ad how's tim mcveigh gonna know where to buy fertilizer for oklahoma city city the tractor supply i

[Pearl]

figured it out april thirtieth nineteen ninety seven the puppy episode goes live it is the highest rated episode of ellen ever drawing forty two million viewers wow

[Misses P]

forty two million is incredible numbers we don't even get those i think the only thing that gets numbers like that now are like the super bowl yeah i think the nba finals the the final of the nba finals i think i only had like twenty six million

[Pearl]

you mean when the knicks were one

[Misses P]

when the knicks won the people's princesses the people's princesses and before muhammad he just kept winning and winning just he

[Pearl]

never saw we love a kid mayor

[Misses P]

but i wanted to know but forty two million is crazy can i tell you when the ufc did the white

[Pearl]

house oh yeah the white house said

[Misses P]

ufc fight seventeen million oh wow they're not they're not even a quarter of

[Pearl]

an ellen they're not even close to

[Misses P]

ellen they're not even close to ellen numbers and joe rogan had to lie he said it was like one hundred fifty fifty million and they were like you're only off by like a bunch

[Pearl]

hard when your brain's full of steroids

[Misses P]

there's only paramount plus has i think it's eighty million subscribers worldwide oh so

[Pearl]

half it would have been half of all of paramount would have been watching

[Misses P]

this yeah but again but this is on abc yeah which disney plus has

[Pearl]

even bigger numbers so the puppy episode which i i don't want to like completely get into but if you have the time go watch it it's a great two part episode basically ellen's character ellen mor in is like working with this guy who's like flirting with her and she she's like kind of brushing off his romantic interest in her but then this woman comes in and like they're business associates and this woman they immediately have a lot of chemistry but ellen is like i i don't think i i don't know what to do with that feeling so she like goes to find the guy and she's like i'm gonna sleep with him to prove i'm not gay and then like that goes poorly and then yeah and then then she runs and finds the woman and is like i think i i think i do have feelings i don't know what this is like because she doesn't know what she's feeling yeah and the whole time she's going to her therapist to talk about what's going on and like these feelings she's having and her therapist is walking her through like what do you think this means and blah blah blah do you need to explore this and her therapist is oprah winfrey in the show come on also the woman the woman that can get ellen degeneres to come out of the closet and and just deeply understand that yes i am gay and i need to tell the entire universe laura dern

[Misses P]

okay of course okay of course always had this power though yeah ellen's always had the power to get rich famous people to hang out with her on

[Pearl]

camera yeah that's like her thing that's

[Misses P]

like one of her big things but also also the coming out as a lesbian episode featuring oprah as your therapist being like maybe you should be true to yourself oprah oprah gail come on

[Pearl]

oprah so the puppy episode the puppy episode won a primetime emmy award for outstanding writing for a comedy series and a second outstanding multi camera picture editing

[Misses P]

award okay good good for you lesbians the lesbians know how to edit the

[Pearl]

episode also won a peabody award okay ed ellen won a glad media award

[Misses P]

well done huh yeah i mean like

[Pearl]

shoe in shoe in that year oh

[Misses P]

oh my god yeah messi won the the football football player trophy like yeah okay yeah you're going to win the gay award the glad gay award yeah for media okay she was like she that year she like was gay media yeah she was yeah there's literally like a there's like an organization called like after ellen yeah there's like all these things like this moment of her doing that was was so pivotal yeah for so many people and for just like

[Pearl]

yeah quote the most hyped anticipated and possibly influential gay moment on television glaad credits ellen with paving the way for such lgbtq plus themed programming as will and grace the l word and ugly betty it's even been suggested that these series having these lgbtq plus characters has helped reduce social social racial prejudice against people and it must be noted oh i wrote this i i just wrote another note that the woman it's ellis laura dern i just kept writing it's laura dern god she's beautiful and then i was thinking about how like laura dern's famously in jurassic park right and then she has that dinosaur ride at epcot there's something there i don't know how to there's something there's something there there's something there's something about dinosaurs and laura dern yeah i'm sorry same yeah

[Misses P]

got it got it got it if

[Pearl]

ellen's story was a disney movie it would end right here ellen's being accepted we all love her and cher but that's not what happened no so let's take a break and we come back we're going to get on the other side of this

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[Misses P]

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[Pearl]

ends it ends here it ends everything

[Misses P]

is happy but we still have another half a show to do well following

[Pearl]

the puppy episode ellen was renewed for another season however abc started running a parental advisory warning at the beginning of every episode okay ellen really criticized abc for including a warning on her show because it was like offensive and then she was mad because he's like you're acting like this isn't going to affect rating things she also called out the hypocrisy because abc didn't run a disclaimer before the drew carey show or spin city both of which included two men kissing there was no disclaimer on those shows at all because it was two heterosexual men and they were making fun of homosexuality yeah yeah yeah and this

[Misses P]

is also one of those things too where you can tell this is a weird combo for the local affiliates because this is an affiliate thing mind you actually right now in philadelphia we're having an issue with an abc affiliate with the fcc yep the fcc is actually targeting the abc abc philly which is six abc because it's directly owned by disney it's one of i think eight or twelve networks most of them are actually owned by some guy yeah so when you go and you watch tv if you go and you watch your local channel like if you're in birmingham alabama and you turn on abc see it's owned by some guy and then he is basically franchising it he's putting the abc logo and he's running abc programming over that and then abc will go back and forth and be like listen during this block from eight to eleven you have to run these shows in this order or else you can't call this network abc or it's not

[Pearl]

a dunkin donuts at all exactly one

[Misses P]

hundred this is that same type of

[Pearl]

idea the bucket of coffee or it's

[Misses P]

not a duncan yeah and so basically what i can tell you what would have happened happened which is abc was able to get all these affiliates for the most part to run the coming out episode yeah but then as the show continued the affiliates were like we're having other issues local bigots who own feed stores yeah local guys who are running you know asphalt companies plumbers you know these different groups are having issues and they're they're saying they're going to pull money from us yeah on our other programs on the network work and they're trying to use the power of their purse and their dollar now to to try to to influence the programming of abc yeah if we hurt the local affiliate that'll hurt abc in this market in you know salt lake city or whatever and that's where they're seeing this so this little tack on the beginning this this this warning label yeah bullshit is abc i'm not saying it's right but this is abc trying to like you know cut the baby in half and trying to figure that out because they're trying to keep advertisers happy local affiliates happy ellen happy yeah there's there's a lot happening in there in this moment so again you have this moment of great social change but then

[Pearl]

how do we well the pendulum always swings back it always swings back so she quit in the new this fifth season the season storyline deals with ellen coming out of her out to her parents her boss boss quits her job goes in search of a romantic partner learns more about the lgbtq plus community the series received a lot of criticism for increase the increase of gay content and people are like this show is actually too gay now and and then it got canceled in the after that

[Misses P]

season yeah that's literally but i mean yeah yeah i mean this is just again this is this is part of it you want the character to live its true truth you want ellen to deliver truth yeah they do that and then people then criticize them oh oh you know this literally started because the producers were like it's weird you don't have a romantic interest and then she's

[Pearl]

like all right all right let's do

[Misses P]

it you want to do romantic interest here's my romantic interest they're like ah

[Pearl]

and they were like we get it

[Misses P]

it is laura dern damn here's what's crazy they never ran a u haul

[Pearl]

advertisement okay ellen career is basically over at this point so once ellen gets canceled canceled she's a she's a pariah

[Misses P]

people don't hire by the way when you say canceled you don't mean on twitter no you mean literally the ellen

[Pearl]

show gets canceled show gets canceled and then ellen cannot find work for a while because she is basically a pariah and people in the tv in the movie industry don't want to touch her because of the gay stigma yes and

[Misses P]

also this is this is around the time disney was being targeted heavily because disney gay days were happening which i think they still happen at the park which were not official for a very long time time look to today ronda santis attacking disney a few years ago

[Pearl]

why the okay i just i know i've said this before on this podcast yeah it's crazy to have a governor attack a theme park if our governor of pennsylvania attacked hershey park yeah and was like oh those two hershey kisses they're standing next to each other we don't know what their genders are one

[Misses P]

of them kisses is a boy two

[Pearl]

reese's in a cup yeah i don't

[Misses P]

like that i don't know about that

[Pearl]

we'd be like this is madman why is he in charge of our budget yeah you your job is paperwork and budget why are you talking to theme

[Misses P]

parks because they wanted to run for president i know ron desantis put his lifts in his shoes and then he tried to run in lifts for president it didn't work because he needs to learn how to run in lifts from a drag queen baby yeah and his wife put those stupid gloves on oh my god they were so crazy she wanted to be jackie o so badly but you live in florida girl and

[Pearl]

you don't have charisma uniqueness nerve or

[Misses P]

talent talent but she is one the what i would say is a lot of this culturally there's a whole thing too it's been the same thing with ben shapiro and those guys how they've always gone after disney there was an acknowledgment in the in the nineties especially in early two thousands because of ellen because of star trek because of others especially when it came to integration about what how much power television and media has had had to normalize our relationships with each other across america yeah right there was a lot of insular communities that did not have aspects into urban life that did not have aspects into gay communities did not have aspects into like the cosby show coming into their household and be like oh like black people are normal like there's like things like that yeah the conservatives learned from that and what they learned is we need to kill this in its infancy if there's another show that comes out if there's anything that happens that's why you see constantly conservatives complain about black stormtroopers about now netflix casting you can go on any youtube right now go scroll look up any show and what what are they doing now they are celebrating that there are all white casts on netflix shows now jack post a ben shapiro and others they spend all of this time now being like we got rid of all the inclusive again dei their attacks on this has always been if their belief is if they can remove people from being seen at all perceived at all then they're an other and then you can do whatever the fuck you want to them in your laws in your society and in the dark corners and that's what they want to do yeah and that's how that this is this is and again you know how i like to by they i mean conservatives and i mean the billionaires that actually fund these conservatives and i mean then all of this is then used used as a social cudgel so they can keep stealing our housing raising our rents poisoning our rivers and doing all of these other things

[Pearl]

never raising the minimum wage and never

[Misses P]

raising the minimum wage this is all part this is all inside of that

[Pearl]

soup so let's talk about ellen because ellen lost her job ellen lost her job and basically is a prior and the other thing is which is crazy

[Misses P]

she had the biggest episode forty two million people watch this shit yeah everybody

[Pearl]

loved ellen everybody so anne heche also really suffered in her career as well because anne heche had this movie coming out called volcano with tommy lee jones

[Misses P]

oh i watched that on a plane

[Pearl]

you saw volcano oh yeah no because

[Misses P]

it came out so this is one of the most famous volcano and dante's peak came out at the same time

[Pearl]

i've never seen either of those you've

[Misses P]

never seen dante's peak no dante's peak was the better one dante's peak is about i want to say it's a volcano in like colorado like bursting and it has like pierce brosnan and that the whole thing is like they're getting this family off the side of the mountain mountain volcano is like a random volcano it's a disaster movie a random volcano just like springs up in la perfect and like anne haysh and tommy lee jones are like like action geologists action geologists all about action geology i

[Pearl]

might have to watch this but again

[Misses P]

it's also early cg so they were able to like make the volcanoes like look kind of real dante's peak is the better one though because a grandma boils alive while pushing a rowboat across a line lake okay it's it's honestly i remember that scene vividly it's wild

[Pearl]

that grandma is all of us frogs in a pot right now because it's

[Misses P]

all the grandma's fault they literally go on the mountain to save the grandma then the grandma sacrifices herself to save her grandkids and pierce brosnan on the rowboat that's stuck in the middle of the boiling lake and i'm like they you put them in the situation this is like tucker carlson being like i'm no longer maga bitch you got everything you wanted you told us this is

[Pearl]

what you wanted to do so ellen and anne haysh are going to the volcano premiere because she's in the movie yes and when they get to the premiere they walk the red carpet and everybody freaks out the production company the movie studio people ba ba when they enter the movie theater because again they're going into the movie theater they are asked to leave by security escorted out and when they get outside they're told that they are not permitted to go to the after party because because the studio does not want pictures of them together to be associated with the movie

[Misses P]

and remember ellen was accused of queerbaiting yeah she was accused of being pretending to be gay and they're just banning her for everything yeah because she actually

[Pearl]

is gay also i i it's a crazy thought to be like oh you're going to tarnish the good name of the movie volcano with tommy lee jones i think i did not know existed

[Misses P]

okay well to be fair he was two face he was amazing as two face and he was al gore's room roommate is that real yeah tommy lee jones was al gore's roommate in college

[Pearl]

i always think of him as the guy from men in black yeah so

[Misses P]

oh yeah i forgot about men in black how did i forget how do

[Pearl]

you forget about men i know how you forget oh because of the thingy got it ann hated was what a

[Misses P]

stupid joke yeah i love this studio actually so oh man that plant we can't afford this every week so we could though if you join us at pearlmania five hundred dot net please join

[Pearl]

us join then we could rent the studio all the time all the time

[Misses P]

so this is the first time we've commuted in a very long time and i had a nice time in the

[Pearl]

car with you a nice time i

[Misses P]

fell asleep yeah you did you got very mad at me and then you go i'm gonna close my eyes don't talk yeah and i'm like well can i change that no no don't touch anything we literally listened to fleetwood mac on the way here yeah exactly i had dreams playing and you close your eyes and then a lindsay bucking clam song came on and you open your this motherfucker dated anne haysch i didn't

[Pearl]

say that because i didn't want to spoil it i know so anne heche was not able to film a studio movie for ten years after this relationship went public because she was so hardcore blacklisted and heche and ellen did break up in two thousand and it is noted that ann had a mental health crisis after this breakup it was all over the media and like the paparazzi and all that stuff yeah ellen degeneres meets a woman named portia de rossi at rock the vote in two thousand one it was a rock the vote concert in two thousand one they met backstage okay and although portia says it was love at first sight she was closeted at the time and feared that dating ellen would ruin her career valid

[Misses P]

which is very valid looking at what

[Pearl]

a h went through and look at

[Misses P]

what ellen was going through ellen's blacklisted and h is blacklisted like just the existence at that point in time mind you because i don't even think rosie was out then either right no i

[Pearl]

don't think i was so yeah two

[Misses P]

thousand one ellen was like basically the only open les like the only a list open lesbian yeah like the only one she was it that she was

[Pearl]

it also i found out when i was googling portia de rossi her real name is amanda rogers and that's some bold to go from amanda rogers and then be like i'll change my name to portia de rossi okay shut the okay queen all right also i also found out she's also an aquarius and i was like okay okay you're not supposed to have two of them together we're we're nuts do you even have emotions together i don't know what's going

[Misses P]

on i okay so real fast i will say this is this is also one of the reasons why i hate that nepo babies have taken over so much of hollywood yeah because you used to get that you used to get people who got to choose their own crazy name yeah and now because all of them are like architects named moon unit and apple you know apple's notoriously

[Pearl]

a who's apple that's gwyneth paltrow's kid

[Misses P]

oh really yeah well the apple didn't fall far from the mystery you gwen when we saw you doing israeli apartments how are you gonna be a zionist for apartments that's crazy crazy that was crazy that's crazy that was wild bro

[Pearl]

what a choice i know her podcast is doing real bad oh yeah well

[Misses P]

you have a theory about it i

[Pearl]

do because she just had one of palantir guys on yeah as like she was like interviewing a palantir guy yeah

[Misses P]

and they had to pretend they had

[Pearl]

to pretend that he was to talk about how like she's a she's not political and she's just like she's a centrist she's not political and like so that clip went viral and then nobody else looked at the rest of the episode which is like her talk i think it was palantir like talking to the palantir guy yeah and i'm like why the fudge is goop because her whole thing is goop which is wellness it's lotions it's putting things in your vagina to make them better i don't know yeah but like her thing is in politics so why is she in politics politics and then i decided that my tin foil hat theory is the podcast is failing right now i think it's not doing well because okay so this is actually a different tinfoil hat i think let me look at the camera i think that because of the rise of glp one s yeah right people are getting glp one s from their doctors they're getting zeppelins they're getting them from their doctor or medical professionals and they and they're being able to lose weight and the whole thing is that the wellness industry which is a billion dollar plus industry has been selling them green powders and ointments and fasts and pills for years saying this is the thing to make you healthy and this is to be healthy but it was all just hiding the fact that they wanted to lose weight that they wanted to get skinny gwyneth paltrow has been selling skinny hidden as wellness for years right and so have all these influencers online all these fitness influencers these gym people all the gym bros and gym girls they're all floundering right now because nobody's looking at their content because they don't need wellness communities anymore because they're like oh well if you take my class or you buy my thing on my pdf class online i'll help you lose weight and they're like i just go to my doctor i don't need your green powder or your your pills anymore and so i think because of the rise of glp one ones the wellness industry is suffering and that's why gwyneth paltrow it doesn't have the pull she used to so she's pivoting now she's pivoting to like political stuff and i bet you the palantir people maybe allegedly i don't know paid to be on her podcast so she could make some money and then she what does an israeli commercial also i think this is another tinfoil hat go ahead

[Misses P]

no i love this i love this oh my god oh we gotta figure

[Pearl]

out the next thing i think and then you are not allowed he is not allowed to engage in this one is that i've noticed that on media on social media movies and tv a lot of people are smoking cigarettes again and i've noticed that a lot of people are smoking cigarettes again and that it's get becoming cool not cool enough for you to smoke you're not allowed to smoke cigarettes i'm not cool when i smoke cigarettes i was so cool you are not cool when you smoke cigarettes okay so here's the thing i think people are smoking cigarettes again because number one the world is super stressful and where everybody's a nihilist at this point we're all just like the world who cares have a cigarette not you though because you have a toddler and you have to live a long life for him and so i think that with the rise of glp one s people are like i don't need wellness industry i don't have to care about health in the same way i don't have to do the pilates and drink the green juices and and i have to care about the the auras or the sound bag as like there was all this wellness for years about if you you had to take care of yourself in this very wellness oriented thing and i think we're at a place politically where everybody's just like fuck this shit i'm getting the shot i'm having a cigarette fuck it and because of that the wellness industry and gwyneth paltrow herself is struggling that's that's the benny tinfoil hats i've been wearing and i didn't know how to put in words

[Misses P]

this is damn it this is an ellen episode there's something there's something about the walls of this office park that are bringing out such good things right now babe i don't know man powerful these are some powerful thoughts it's the

[Pearl]

lighting it is the lighting i love

[Misses P]

a frosty lighting it's a frosty lighting we also have it's the hum it's the we haven't been under the hum of fluorescent lights yeah not a long time above our heads in a very long time and it's bringing something out of us it it is it's doing something here and i don't know what

[Pearl]

it is in the comments let us

[Misses P]

know in the comments and if you want to see misses p under lighting like this yeah we need reach get get get me on camera real fast reach out reach out right now take your little fingers pick up your phone go to pearl mania five hundred net and join us at the dollar ten upline ambassador level and we can get more hot takes from misses pe we can get more good feelings we can get softer lighting we can get a three camera set up we can have comfy chairs with slightly sweaty backs we don't need to be behind and have ourselves appealing nineteen seventies esque game show wallpaper with bubbles in the walls we don't need to be concerned is it asbestos no it is not but that is not the reason we are not at home you could be there reach out and touch me right now now you hand that ten dollars to us ten dollars a month you know we'll give right back to you good content that's my pitch you've been sitting we're already an hour into the show you know what this is this isn't the first time you've ever tuned in i know our numbers all right and then many of you are already here like i'm i'm literally listening to you on the patreon we love you we appreciate we love you and we respect you and we'll we'll respond to your comments on the after party later so ellen

[Pearl]

returns to network tv in on cbs

[Misses P]

not on abc on cbs on cbs

[Pearl]

in two thousand one okay she had a short lived show called the ellen show ellen look at me ellen i need you to stop naming things after yourself this is crazy do you not know how to act under a different

[Misses P]

name no that's the cosby thing that's bill cosby was always bill you know

[Pearl]

yeah because he can't he can't have someone look at him and go kevin

[Misses P]

heaven he can't well okay so originally the show was called pearl mania five hundred we can't talk too much i

[Pearl]

could talk because on this show the the second ellen show her character's name was ellen richmond on the first one it was ellen morgan and guess what spoiler alert she's gonna get a third show guess what it's called ellen it

[Misses P]

was the ellen degeneres yeah she added

[Pearl]

her last name yeah because she just played herself then anyway this is why she has such strong branding this is why we think of her in that like single name thing it's also but

[Misses P]

i will say as a stand stand up you don't want another name out there yeah oh seinfeld's another one seinfeld literally called his show seinfeld yeah where he played a stand up comedian because all of us have the standard communities we always have the same thought which is when this fails i will go back to stand up yeah i mean every if you look true not him

[Pearl]

he said i'm gonna get in my old car and go drive to the high school to pick up a girl

[Misses P]

whoa comedians and coffee on the epstein list not i don't think seinfeld directly

[Pearl]

is on the upstairs i don't know

[Misses P]

i don't know i don't think he was alleged absolutely well i don't this is an opinion a show of comedy history from two idiots with associate's degrees who don't know what they're talking about

[Pearl]

yeah that's right yeah so we should

[Misses P]

put like a south park style warning label at the front of the show

[Pearl]

so okay here's the thing okay there's this lost fish and this gal is about to make not that much money to help find them in two thousand two ellen degeneres does a voiceover for dory in this movie called finding nemo she does it for a flat fee of seventy five thousand dollars okay but the movie took three years to produce so that money actually equated to about twenty five thousand dollars a year and

[Misses P]

that's basically the only thing she's that's

[Pearl]

basically the only thing she's really doing she's doing some small part she has like walk on roles like you were saying like she did like a walk on roll in will and grace where she played like a nun yeah like she has all these like small things

[Misses P]

i mean she's probably doing some stand

[Pearl]

up and like public appearance the numbers she was doing so like seventy five thousand seem like a good bit of

[Misses P]

money i'm telling you what yeah and this is after the cbs show is

[Pearl]

canceled yes cbs show gets canceled after one season it doesn't yeah they don't pick that up but here's the thing that the the money wasn't the thing for finding nemo because it made a huge splash and actually nice pun thank you i'm going to do another one it washed away all of the bad press and successfully complet completely revitalized her career finding nemo sold over forty million copies it holds the record for the best selling dvd title of all time it sold those forty million copies in two weeks finding nemo made nine hundred forty one point six million dollars worldwide this changed ellen's career trajectory completely and immediately and when we come back from this point break we're going to talk about it

[Misses P]

we just finished a sold out show here in new york city and it was the energy was amazing phil it was great you had a chant going it got weird it got fun it got crazy but we have more coming cuz we go we're going to be doing live shows in seattle portland boston philly san francisco phoenix denver atlanta chicago saint paul dc and pittsburgh crashing out toward dot com get your tickets now or check the link in both of them our bios you know i said a lot of nice things about the studio but then you hit me with like back to back water puns about finding nemo yeah i wrote

[Pearl]

those out in our house yesterday okay

[Misses P]

so the mold might have done something that might have been mold we don't know if we have we don't know we don't there's a lot we don't know when you have a house as

[Pearl]

old as ours you learn new things you learn every day the ellen degeneres show so we're using her real last name now the ellen degeneres show premieres in september of two thousand three her first guest ever was jennifer aniston from

[Misses P]

the morning show from friends you fool no from the morning show on apple

[Pearl]

no but it's two thousand three this is an incredible pull you need to understand you're this is a new premiere daytime talk show okay she's up against sharon osborne and she puts like the

[Misses P]

view oprah i think oprah was still rolling then right listen i think so there's like there was a lot to

[Pearl]

pull jennifer aniston day one is crazy yeah and this really spoke to her pull in hollywood because people liked her she was likable the ellen show ellen degeneres show was a huge success it won a total of sixty three daytime emmy awards sixty three oprah only has eighteen shut the fuck up yes that's

[Misses P]

crazy sixty six three six three to one eight one eight well that's racism

[Pearl]

so degeneres was known i mean i

[Misses P]

get it here's what i'd say i understand because ellen was part of the

[Pearl]

machine yeah she was part of the

[Misses P]

disney machine but not just the disney machine it was just like part of the machine everybody did ellen let me

[Pearl]

tell you we're gonna get into that okay let's put a pin on that so she's known for dancing it with the audience at the beginning of the show and during commercial breaks doing this little thing she often gave away free prizes and she trips you know provided by the sponsors ellen later stated that she stopped dancing as it became an expectation and too much of a burden and honestly i felt that as someone the toddler who tells me to go

[Misses P]

dance oh yeah he points to me go dance we have a we have a dance mat yeah he's decided that's the dance floor yeah we have a one of those big he'll go and

[Pearl]

unfold it in the middle of the floor and just look at me and go mommy dance and i have to go go stand there and dance to

[Misses P]

many songs to many songs a big one though is gummy bear gummy bear the theme song to titipo okay great i'm good at that south korean train propaganda yeah love that one that's a good one the combine harvester song from

[Pearl]

tractor ted sometimes i'm a combine harvester

[Misses P]

yeah no and so and we all dance we dance yeah we we literally we go yeah okay we're dancing and

[Pearl]

then he's like yeah and so i understand the burden of being expected to dance on command yeah however she said that she stopped dancing because of the burden in but then in november of two thousand four she did appear dancing for an american express campaign so she could be paid to dance yeah you

[Misses P]

could pay her to dance i listen i there's a lot of things ellen did wrong getting paid definitely not one

[Pearl]

of them ellen knows how to make

[Misses P]

money ellen and being here with an aquarius over here getting paid to dance that's the thing is like that i will say i'll i'll always lean back on this a little bit is like the jobs i've worked worked over time like working at a tgi friday or something like that you're like ah this is evil somehow yeah somehow somehow this is evil i'm not not writing off everything i don't think she should on ellen's energy express or whatever it was that was a little let me tell

[Pearl]

you about something evil she did okay so apparently this is alleged alleged this is according to anne haysch okay allegedly alan banned anne haysch from being a guest on her show on the ellen degeneres show okay which basically further blacklisted her from films films because in ann haitians words quote if you're on a show or if you're in a film you've got to go through the ellen show to promote it and guess what ellen blocked you from the show and everybody knows that oh wait is that ellen's cock block that we have to take into consideration let's just hire mira sorvino end quote which is a crazy quote because mira sorvino famously was blacklisted by harvey weinstein scene yeah so like for her to pick mir serino out

[Misses P]

of the bucket i'm just like i

[Pearl]

was like as i read it i was like mir serino but maybe maybe

[Misses P]

she's doing a weird up thing where she's comparing ellen to harvey weinstein oh

[Pearl]

maybe this is insider insider novel but

[Misses P]

but this is what i was this is what i was alluding to earlier though ellen like like when you were doing the round now if you're promoting a movie right you're promoting he man yeah you got to go eat spicy

[Pearl]

chicken you got to eat spicy chicken

[Misses P]

you got to go to chicken shop and you got to go to hot ones yep now like there was like conan was talking about it recently they conan o' brien because he's in toy story five and he was like yeah now they're like okay you have to come in this thing and they're going to drop you out of a plane you have to answer five questions and we think that sells tickets yeah before though there was a there again this

[Pearl]

is that early or like one of

[Misses P]

the vogues yeah oh now you're talking about now you have to do yeah

[Pearl]

you have to like go into a vogue thing and like do like well

[Misses P]

the big one is brittney broski royal court royal court's become like a huge thing for promotion there's a lot of these youtube shows i love that for her i love that for her too yeah and maybe that could be us if we could afford this studio and a third chair i don't know i'm really happy i don't know guys this might be our most likable look at me i'm sitting on my legs crossed i don't get to do this at the table i know at the table

[Pearl]

i sit like this grump grump but

[Misses P]

now but now i'm just i'm so excited and we're so close to king of prussia mall we can go to a food court afterwards we're not going

[Pearl]

to a food court we could but we're not but we could find a

[Misses P]

cookie but listen i want to real fast back to the promotion side of things yeah i actually number one i don't doubt that ellen blacklisted her from the ellen show for sure because it's

[Pearl]

her ex yeah and they i think they had a really bad break they

[Misses P]

had a bad breakup and it was from the darkest time of her life yeah of ellen's life and i understand there's definitely there is definitely a world where ellen could have made things right we don't know we don't know yeah and we don't know what their actual relationship was and all of that it is also crazy when your ex becomes something huge yeah when you're whether it be an ex friend friend ex lover whatever and then there's this moment you're like well i don't want to get near that yeah you know what i mean like i'm not going in that direction like if you and i ever broke up oh okay and you became a daytime youtube talk show host absolutely i would and i was trying to promote my male skin care you know dude goop dude goop i'm trying to promote dude goop yeah alongside the movie i'm starring in with the ovan and

[Pearl]

oh you're making a big pivot after this divorce huh oh i'm going right

[Misses P]

wing immediately yeah oh okay oh real quick it is everybody's profile divorce dad

[Pearl]

woman

[Misses P]

dude goop dude goop rub it on your head don't go to turkey yeah yeah i have to go i have to go so right wing i have to be i have to go so right wing and xenophobic to make sure that men don't travel to turkey turkey to get hairline fixes that way i could sell them hair goop listen this is how i'd go and you would be calling me out on the other side because even though at this point in our divorce there's ndas and there's no contact agreements you would cast just enough of the right type of paralegal associate's degree shade at me yeah you know what i mean but what

[Pearl]

i'm describing here is but also i am because we are married and this would be a divorce i'd probably be getting money from this situation yes you definitely would i would be selling dude

[Misses P]

goop as well well somehow what would be wild about it is that i would be paying you alimony but you have always been the secret behind me making money yeah so you would somehow be getting fifty percent of what was now my ten percent because the audience is following you yeah because you are the likable one yes and as people have said i'm just the guy who interrupts you during the nice story you're telling that is an actual comment from about four episodes ago some guy went can we get a cut where pearl mania shuts up and i'm here to tell you no no not as long

[Pearl]

as we're married not until qvc hires

[Misses P]

me oh she's trying this isn't a

[Pearl]

qvc set feel this is how qvc

[Misses P]

this also feels like the ellen show

[Pearl]

okay so ellen was different than other daytime shows because she was big into social media yes she loved bringing on people that were experiencing viral moments or what would have been called fifteen minutes of fame by back then she was also the first daytime show to start putting short videos and clips on youtube

[Misses P]

yes yes it's very smart she saw

[Pearl]

the growth potential on youtube and was like bet and then here's something crazy i went back to look she's still posting on youtube currently the you her youtube channel has thirty seven point nine million subscribers and it posts multiple clips every single day that channel is still getting millions of views and so i would bet she's making one million dollars off of it because she has so many subscribers and also i looked she has fourteen point five million on tiktok one hundred thirty million on ig and thirty nine million on facebook and she's posting three some clips a day every

[Misses P]

day reels yes are they doing well they're doing great great because that's where the money is right the facebook reels

[Pearl]

she's making bank on facebook reels yeah it's crazy she's still posting stuff from

[Misses P]

two thousand three that's so wild that

[Pearl]

so like if you think that ellen's not working right now she is she's got two interns looking at seo i

[Misses P]

mean i mean think about it though she has twenty years of back footage right and so if you have something like toy story five is coming out yeah and you have what five interviews with tom hanks over twenty years putting them up start putting them up again it's all seo chips what i'm saying

[Pearl]

that's why i think she has like two interns watching seo because like i was when i looked at the clips yesterday she posted clips of her interviewing kat von d and i was like that's weird because kat von d is trending right now because there's like this whole thing where she allegedly burned down some guy's house yeah his mom's house a castle i don't know but so like she is clearly looking at what's trending and then somebody in the production somebody in production is and then posting old video clips clips and then they're trending on all these different platforms that's

[Misses P]

so crazy so even though ellen is gone yeah she's not forgotten so portia

[Pearl]

and ellen get married in two thousand eight when gay marriage is legalized in

[Misses P]

california for like a minute and then it was made illegal yeah famously barack obama running for president probably caused gay marriage got overturned in california because of it was like prop eight it was a prop to it but they thought the turnout was so high and they think that that actually like had a thing with it so it came and

[Pearl]

went before anyway portia and ellen made it before the line they got married and i remember this wedding because i remember when it happened the pictures came out and i was obsessed with portia's dress she had let me tell you about this she had this zach posen dress and it was like a halter top but it was like a tuxedo cut halter top but it had a nineteen twenties drop width with like a pink tulle skirt so it was like a flapper ballerina it was beautiful okay anyway at in two thousand eight also ellen degeneres began working with covergirl and she was declared the first openly gay cover girl so she was doing beauty campaigns okay and doing like makeup stuff and also i think we might have to blame her for james charles becoming

[Misses P]

a cover boy yeah okay yeah because ellie and also i have a hotter

[Pearl]

take though and this i could be wrong i could be wrong about this okay is that i think that technically technically queen latifah should have this title because queen latifah started working with covergirl in two thousand one and she was the first black cover girl but she didn't come out until twenty twenty one at the bet awards when she won a lifetime achievement award so i think they should give it to her in retrospective but but but i'm not i'm

[Misses P]

not she was out at the time

[Pearl]

though no she wasn't out at the

[Misses P]

time so because she wasn't out at

[Pearl]

the time you can't i know but i just want to give everything to

[Misses P]

queen latifah i know i understand that i understand when to give everything to queen latifah yeah but you have to do out at the time because of that because of the everything else you have to go through i know because the reason why queen latifah came out in twenty twenty one is because ellen came out in nineteen ninety seven like there there is like a there's a balance in there yeah she watched that that and said nope i mean probably yeah i mean she probably did because you did look at queen latifah's career she got to do taxi with jimmy fallon that wouldn't have happened if she had come out of the closet in nineteen ninety seven she would have been able to do taxi with jimmy fallon who gets to then hang out with conor mcgregor the rapist on the tonight

[Pearl]

show yeah he loves hanging out with a rapist on the tonight show i

[Misses P]

don't know why it's but again this is the reason why the tonight show is nowhere near as popular as what

[Pearl]

it used to be yeah because jimmy

[Misses P]

fallon sucks well that and also because the tonight show just is i know people who've done the tonight show five seven five to seven times yeah nothing and it doesn't matter they still they don't get full weekends at comedy clubs the tonight show does not have the cultural cachet like what has when you look at the tonight show now like when look at ellen this is what ellen changed as well yeah ellen made her she they started making the ellen degeneres show for the clips yeah what can we get that can go viral as a clip all right we'll play a game game will scare people will

[Pearl]

do these things oh she loves scaring

[Misses P]

which became a problem yep but with the ellen degeneres show one of the big ones was let's bring somebody on and we'll have them play a game yeah and that's what the jimmy fallon tonight show does all the time which they later changed like family board game night and a few other ones that they do now with jane lynch yeah

[Pearl]

and and ellen had a spin off it was just game show yeah just

[Misses P]

the game of just playing games that you could then buy from milton bradley and like like that but ellen playing twister with you know i don't know helen hunt or somebody i i don't know why helen hunt's my go to name but those two playing twister will get more traction than just two of them sitting there be like so helen i heard you had a nice meal the other day like that's nowhere like the the sitting across dynamic well because also a few people have talked about this somebody was talking recently about the death at late night yeah late night's dying because nobody gives a shit i think before when you had a big name tom selleck okay i'm just picking a name i had no you give me a big name who is a

[Pearl]

big i thought you were going to go for tom hanks that's a big

[Misses P]

name okay yeah kind of i guess he's still a little bit more standoffish i'm thinking comparative like now you have these huge back in the day you had these huge names these titans yeah you would only see them on the tonight show got it they would enter your living room because they were movie people people you would see them walk red carpets and you'd see pictures of them in like van meryl streep meryl streep perfect perfect that's so good you are so smart thank you all right meryl streep meryl streep would go on a show like the tonight show or others and she would have her little interaction she would do that maybe twice a year yeah because she had a project and that was part of the deal now we have a parasocial relationship with everyone every actor before they get hired every stand up before they get hired this first thing to ask them is how many do you have on social yeah you have to already have people have a parasocial relationship with you before they'll even begin to start doing the pr assessment before they'll even get you in that direction ellen did a twofold that was very different one she found people who are just building their parasocial relationship like kaylin allen love you kaylin we love you kin kaylin allen and there's some that she would like you know help and then there was others that she would you know we joke about that she would drain yeah those there were those two little girls that sang nicki minaj super bass i

[Pearl]

do not know what you're you know

[Misses P]

what i'm talking about no there are these two little girls ellen had them come on and they basically sang super bass which was nicki minaj's like most family friendly song yeah and ellen brought them on and remind everybody how old we all are one of those two girls just had her third child child and when you see them they're like seven and they're like in these little pink dresses oh and they like they like memorize super that was but this is how it used to go viral is they their mom posted a youtube video of them just rapping super bass by nicki minaj people were like oh my god here's two million views and people like well that must be popular so we're gonna put it on and

[Pearl]

then mister beast is like i will find a way to make this mine yeah one hundred okay so in twenty ten i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna going to change the vibes change the vibes in twenty ten eighteen year old rutgers university student tyler clementi committed suicide he was outed as gay online by his roommate and the in front of the whole school and so he takes his life the tragedy deeply impacted ellen degeneres who released a highly publicized emotional video calling his death a crisis and a wake up call she used her platform on the ellen degeneres show and in various media appearances to plead with society to end the epidemic of bullying against the lgbt i'm sorry lgbt plus q plus community and the youth specifically this tragedy also became a focal point in her subsequent efforts and public support for organizations like the trevor project her signature sign off started after this after talking about tyler because she would close the show with by saying into camera be kind to one another and this became synonymous with her brand yes and

[Misses P]

the irony of her saying be kind to one another will come back yes let's put a pin in that but this is also twenty ten i want to remind everybody because some of you are younger some of you also don't just remember the time gay marriage was still illegal in twenty ten it's not legal in twenty ten it was pockets across the country gay marriage was still a wedge issue that was being wielded across the country about who we were voting for in the senate the presidency and others and you were still having people call it a lifestyle choice conversion therapy camps were still around they're coming back now and haitian's mom is being a part of it but there's there's you have things along these languages twenty ten is also the year of the it's get better campaign yeah which was started by dan savage which was a youtube message messages to gay youth telling them i know high school and middle school is bad but don't worry when you get out it gets better yeah and part of that is because of tyler but also just these these type of messages we're seeing it right now with the trans community especially where people are trying to tell especially the youth who are you know they're curious they're having more they're looking for more information to try to bring it down because we're also at a very dark dark time and so ellen speaking out and using her platform because the other thing i think people forget about the ellen degeneres show white suburban moms it's white suburban mom they love this shit yeah and so ellen taking to this platform and ellen speaking to them and coming into their living rooms every day every day and putting this message into their head there was something in there that had a push back into society against this bubbling rage and and and bigotry tree that we are we know that's that's always going to be there we had a force that was pushing back to it a little bit because that force was talking to these moms and then those moms were going out in their community yeah and they were doing things about it or as they were raising their kids they were telling their kids they'd hear their kids playing modern warfare two and hear him yelling slurs the other room they cupped up there hey be kind stop that you don't need to say that stop calling that gay ellen said that's mean yeah and they could they knew because they had a parasocial relationship with ellen specifically yeah and that was very very important now i'm sure you're going to tell us

[Pearl]

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[Misses P]

a good flip you really you did a dip on that one yeah yeah

[Pearl]

she did she did a whole tour for jcpenney and advertising campaign and you know what we are also a spokesperson

[Misses P]

for something hey yes we are we're going to find out what that is right now

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former employee so it's twenty fourteen ellen's at the top of her game top of the she gets a mark twain

[Misses P]

award yep she's giving that to bill

[Pearl]

maher now gross i know she is hosting the oscars and she crashed twitter because she took an oscar selfie during the live broadcast do you remember this and i had to look it up because i was like who is in that academy again it was bradley cooper angelina jolie jennifer lawrence jared leto lupita nyongo brad pitt julia roberts meryl streep channing tatum and kevin spy yeah i

[Misses P]

remember that being a huge she was like oh this was also and i think i think didn't it later come out i don't know if it ever came out this is also kind of like an iphone push too yeah it was like a whole thing about like i think she posted to twitter probably and instagram and again it was her she was very smart she knew how to post to push her socials yeah because then people were like oh i want to show you oh my god i can't believe all these stars got together take a selfie of all things and it was a live one take

[Pearl]

selfie yeah and bradley cooper's one holding the phone yeah bradley takes the picture that's crazy ellen degeneres earned an estimated sixty million per year during the peak of the ellen degeneres show sixty six zero million wow wow because she also owned the production company that makes the ellen show so she was getting paid double she was scrooge mcducking into the coins oh my god diving into the

[Misses P]

money if we own the production studio

[Pearl]

well we don't i know right now

[Misses P]

we're renting it so she was i

[Pearl]

love renting it she was also awarded the presidential medal of freedom from president

[Misses P]

barack obama i remember that there's a famous image of her crying for her

[Pearl]

instrumental bravery and advancing elements lg lgbtq plus rights i'm having a really hard time with the letters today yeah ellen degeneres and former president george w bush became publicly known as friends on october sixth twenty nineteen when they were spotted laughing and sitting together at a dallas cowboys game when degeneres said while degeneres never said exactly how they first met she publicly confirmed and defended her friendship with him many fans were upset that a gay liberal entertainer was hanging out with a conservative republican yeah i mean

[Misses P]

to be fair we all did know ellen love bush but the thing is that's crazy is that george bush george w bush in particular as i was saying earlier about weaponizing gay marriage as a wedge issue george w bush specifically

[Pearl]

did that yeah he called for a federal marriage amendment in two thousand four to define marriage marriage exclusively as between a man and a woman he also loudly opposed adding sexual orientation to federal

[Misses P]

hate crime protections yes and he was part he was instrumental with among fox and others really really really pushing and using homophobia as a weapon what's odd about george w bush though george w bush terrible on gay rights yeah but weirdly good on trans rights it's like there's there's this bizarre story also i

[Pearl]

think he like funded aids research yes

[Misses P]

he was very good on african aids research yeah so there's like it's a little all over the place with him also he killed a million people yeah

[Pearl]

also i want to just point that out he did kill a million people

[Misses P]

in iraq and he he probably is obviously i have deep hatred towards our current president george w bush we wouldn't have trump if it wasn't for george w bush so there is a part of it in there and this is during a moment too is as in twenty nineteen in particular twitter the idea of cancel culture people speaking out people having parasocial relationships and it was ellen degeneres like in like a rich people

[Pearl]

box yeah they were in the like

[Misses P]

the suite it's like the owner's box

[Pearl]

the owner's box and she's giggling and laughing with george they're like showing each

[Misses P]

other on the phone i think yeah yeah and so it's just like this is so weird ellen like ellen he like and people really lost it about

[Pearl]

it yeah of course ellen degeneres used the occasion to advocate for her personal philosophy of kindness towards everyone regardless of our differing political beliefs okay yeah this

[Misses P]

is awesome but this is this is just like you said earlier with gwyneth paltrow and goop yeah but you see this all the time we just saw this with nate bargazi going i i'm just a ufc fan yeah you coward we see this with a lot of fence sitters i mean shane gillis set on every fence but there's just so many of them that you see this and it's like okay that's fine but again when you're trying to be friends with everybody a lot of people have views on who their enemies are and what they're trying to do to people yeah and a lot of people want to pretend with george bush george bush does annoy me libs love to do this they love to be like well look i mean he he did he did say democracy is good yeah he stole a presidential election in two thousand yeah he stole the supreme court we're in a lot of this shit because of exact choices that he made dick cheney is still dead though oh that's

[Pearl]

nice thank you thank you for reminding me that dick cheney is burning in hell yeah in march twenty twenty remember march twenty twenty do i i feel

[Misses P]

like a few people who actually still acknowledge its existence so many people use

[Pearl]

trauma to hide it no the trauma in your brain hides it for you and that's the nice part yeah in march twenty twenty comedian and podcaster kevin t porter made a post on twitter in which he calls out ellen degeneres in an interview porter said he wasn't trying to damage the talk show host he was merely trying to find a funny way to do something positive in the early days of the pandemic quote we were about two weeks into the lockdown and a lot of my friends were doing kind of interesting creative things to raise money for different charities he explained explained so my version of that was to do this thread on twitter because i thought it would be funny so this is what he posted on twitter okay right now we all need a little kindness you know like ellen degeneres always talks about she's also notoriously one of the meanest people alive respond to this with the most insane stories you've heard about ellen being mean and i'll match everyone with a two dollar donation to the la food bank okay

[Misses P]

so he's doing this as a fundraiser like a little joke on there little joke he's doing a play on her be kind yeah or closer yep and

[Pearl]

yeah but also telling the open hollywood secret apparently that ellen is really mean yes yeah while porter initially assumed that he would end up receiving only quote super niche replies from the la comedy scene the thread quickly went viral and the veracity of the story stories shared online they couldn't be proven but it was a spark that led to more investigations into the behind the scenes drama at ellen also porter has pointed out that the consistency of the stories made them hard to dismiss because people kept repeating some very similar things so his

[Misses P]

line about the la comedy scene is very important because ellen did have a lot of writers and pas and others and that she would hire from in the local scene because again ellen is very funny and she she can she has an eye for talent yeah she knows how to pick talent but it's also one of those things where again with twitter you or with most with social media you assume this is going to be the thing you post that you think is just going to be a little local thing a maybe twenty people will respond some like some people i know from some open mics and then the fact that it's just like everyone in the world was like what

[Pearl]

was that huh yeah speaking of writers in the comedy scene the former head writer of ellen her name was karen kilgow griff i sorry if i said that wrong she apparently is the lady from the my favorite murder podcast okay but she originally was the head writer for ellen she all she had gone on the mark marin in twenty fourteen and said that degeneres was a great boss that is until the writers strike in two thousand seven when ellen continued doing the show and kilgraph ended up leaving and it was very painful experience and some people report that she was fired by ellen for refusing to cross the picket line line okay so i also did pull some of other tweets one person tweeted a friend was a pa on her show got their first staff writer job and put in their notice instead of congrats they were told to return their christmas gift wow okay this person oh this was actually from brad garrett from everybody loves raymond yeah yeah yeah he commented and was shared on people people magazine's twitter claims that ellen degeneres mistreatment of people was common knowledge in hollywood and then leah thompson the actress wrote true story as a response and then this one really sucks after working for ellen for over five years a close friend left to have a baby and found a different job on a union network so that had

[Misses P]

good benefits this is a tweet you're

[Pearl]

reading this is some tweet i'm reading ellen begged her to return and then fired her after one week no reason given and the friend struggled for a long time with new baby and no benefits that's up so these are horror

[Misses P]

stories that are coming and then also again going back into when you watch the ellen show one of her favorite things ever to do and you can that's where ellen laughs the most is scaring people yeah she loves like playing

[Pearl]

practical jokes scaring sarah paulson yeah there

[Misses P]

was so many but she loved doing it and if and if her show didn't do takedown notices of every clip possible oh i would be showing them

[Pearl]

so many sarah paulson clips because number one i love her you love sarah paulson number two we can't use any clips because apparently her all of her social media is incredibly litigious yes because she makes so much money off of

[Misses P]

it yes one hundred percent and so i mean god imagine if ellen comes after us harder than better help that would be something that's why you guys need to support us at pearl mania

[Pearl]

five hundred dot net that's we that tweet yeah in turn was followed by an investigation report by buzzfeed and there was internal investigations through the production companies etcetera in july twenty twenty ten former employees of the ellen degeneres show accused ellen of creating toxic onset atmosphere with that included racism intimidation and fear including failing to address executives sexually harassing female employees and people making racist microaggressions and abuse to or about employees of color firing in people for taking medical improvement leave and replacing her crew with non union tech workers during the early days of the COVID nineteen pandemic pandemic yeah so all of this is coming out through friggin buzzfeed and this is and this is all anonymous and alleged and

[Misses P]

this is also we're literally like this is at the same time as the probably the the biggest reckoning is happening socio political economic reckoning in america of the modern age yeah everyone's in lockdown everyone's kind of bored everyone's outright outraged this is oh this is the early lockdown we just had the imagine song

[Pearl]

oh my god that everyone hates right

[Misses P]

and there's all these other moments that are happening like this and so this is part of that suit yeah crew

[Pearl]

members were told by production to expect a sixty percent reduction in pay even though the show was still on air and they were still working some of the time she was filming the show from the inside of her mansion and still making a ton of of money because she still had full advertisers and everything yeah ellen did not take sixty cut of her pay by the way

[Misses P]

i remember the i remember people commenting commenting about that yeah specifically because like this is also another thing too with a lot of these rich people especially the ones like ellen who didn't understand they didn't have a posting wall yeah they didn't pick like a spot to go put your back up against so she was shooting and you're like you could see like a big space behind it when you start hearing about like oh you're cutting your staff versus guys like conan yeah like famously the writers strike conan like you know would make sure that he still paid his crew yeah there was a lot of people would go out of their way like hey we're all in this together especially during the lockdowns and especially because with the unions and with the studios and everyone trying to figure out what the new normal was going to be it was like two years before everything came back online yeah and even then there was still protocols around covet then ai

[Pearl]

came and then ai yeah so one former employee alleged that degeneres fired him for setting up a gofundme page page because he had a medical issue and their health insurance that he got through the job would didn't cover all of the expenses so he set up a gofundme to raise money for his medical needs and production came to him and demanded he take down the gofundme because it looked bad on ellen's image that one of her employees would need to go fund me and then he refused to do it so he was allegedly fired before that wow yeah so this as the social media backlash against ellen degeneres grows this includes people sharing many clips of different segments on her show where she's like being mean to people and like the scaring the mean the snotty the petty like people are really digging and going through and being like look at her she's actually kind of really mean all the time yeah and then this twenty nineteen interview with actor dakota johnson starts trending again after ellen degeneres insists that dakota hadn't invited her to her recent birthday party dakota pushes back as saying actually no that's not the truth ellen you were invited this

[Misses P]

is like a meme now it's a meme now there's the the image of dakota johnson looking at going actually ellen that's not true is like it's you i still to this day see this

[Pearl]

posted johnson told generous that she had made sure to invite her to the party because the last time she was on the show she had complained that she didn't get invited to the birthday before that and but here's the thing i think that number one that clip is iconic but the funniest part of the clip nobody ever gets to because at the very end of the clip ellen is trying desperately to pivot because she's been proven wrong yeah and she's being made a fool of and so ellen looks at dakota and goes i heard signataro performed at your party and dakota straight faced as looks her in the eye and goes yeah she's my favorite comedian and when i tell you ellen's face cracks yeah like she cannot hold it together it was it's the funniest part of the clip but nobody

[Misses P]

plays it yeah that's because everyone loves to do the butterflies effect poster board the red stringing about it because dakota johnson was on there she was promoting one of the the gray movies the

[Pearl]

gray movies the widow shades of gray oh yeah yeah fifty shades of gray

[Misses P]

fifty shades of gray and if you follow it all the way back huh ellen degeneres like in this clip only exists because of nine eleven okay we're not doing that we're not doing that

[Pearl]

let me tell you something even funnier than that it

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[Misses P]

okay what's not even funnier than that okay

[Pearl]

so dakota johnson's birthday party the one that ellen did not go to yes was on the weekend of october fifth twenty twenty twenty nineteen why is that

[Misses P]

october fifth twenty nineteen october fifth twenty

[Pearl]

nineteen is the weekend of dakota johnson's party that she didn't go to there's

[Misses P]

why is that date feel important because

[Pearl]

that weekend was the same weekend that ellen was in the box with george w at the dallas game go birth

[Misses P]

oh oh ellen fucked up so hard no nobody talks about that nobody talks about that at all you need to

[Pearl]

realize that she skipped this party to hang out with george w bush so

[Misses P]

the dakota johnson actually ellen that's not true would never have happened if she had just gone to a fucking birthday party instead of handing out with george w bush that's what i'm saying that's

[Pearl]

what i'm saying that's what happens ellen degeneres issued an apology and a statement to her staff some celebrities started posting on her behalf being like no ellen's really great but it's none of the the good ones ashton kutcher oh no

[Misses P]

oh no rick baldwin oh no oh

[Pearl]

no it's nobody you want on your

[Misses P]

side oh my god ashton kutcher from the danny masterson trial alec baldwin from

[Pearl]

the shoot your face shoot your employee

[Misses P]

in the face trial yeah hilaria baldwin's husband he has weird like droops under his eyes now have you seen him

[Pearl]

it's because he's got forty seven kids

[Misses P]

no but he has these like things like under here i wonder if he had like injections at one point weird

[Pearl]

okay they look crazy i thought it was just he doesn't sleep because of all the kids well yeah okay ellen signs a netflix deal for a stand up special called relatable this is after

[Misses P]

she got canceled yes that is relatable

[Pearl]

relatable okay here's something super relatable guess how much she got paid to do this netflix stand up special it's twenty million dollars twenty million yes this is

[Misses P]

why they keep raising prices because they keep paying these stand up comedians too much money too much money i wonder how much they paid tony hinchcliff for his dog shit special it wasn't released

[Pearl]

can i tell you something i knew i knew that as soon as i tippy typed twenty million dollars is how much ellen degeneres got paid to do this because she was the first i think female comedian to ever be paid this much by netflix i said you know what the man next to me is going to ask me i wonder how much tony hinchliff got paid and so i looked it up and he actually refused to have the numbers released public publicly because he's a he's a

[Misses P]

because he's a and he's not good at stand up nine and a half minutes of what do you do for work what do you do for work what do you do for work what does he do for work not stand up i love that the gatekeeper of modern stand up we've talked about johnny carson be like come to the couch yeah johnny carson at least was funny and understood things and could tell a joke and could hire a white writer's room yeah the modern gatekeeper of stand up comedy the man who gives you the golden notebook tony hinchcliffe can't even tell a joke no doesn't even have enough charisma to make a room work all he can do is get clapped her clapped her oh that's where you applaud instead of laughing because he just gets up there and goes it's the jews right i've talked about everyone tonight

[Pearl]

the show aired the ellen degeneres show relatable finest well no the relatable thing does whatever twenty million dollars like okay people are like it's fine people that

[Misses P]

liked it like we're relatable today we commuted we're

[Pearl]

the show aired the ellen degeneres show gets canceled she and she says that she's ending the show but some people are like it got canceled

[Misses P]

whatever yeah because at this point advertisers are like we were the kind of

[Pearl]

to get out of here you were

[Misses P]

the kindness lady you were the kindness lady she was giving away like free tv's at one point yeah like vizio isn't going to want to partner yeah roku isn't like hey and she's like i'm going to beat myself staff in the background yeah you know what i

[Pearl]

mean allegedly they the show airs its final episode on may twenty sixth twenty twenty two and the last guest on the show was jennifer aniston oh from the morning show okay yes from the morning show it's a great show it's

[Misses P]

a great show on apple tv but

[Pearl]

it's it's nice that it was the

[Misses P]

first it is a weird moment in the morning show where there's like so many weird moments in the morning show where they really try to like make matt lauer the good guy guy they also tried to make they gave renell what is her name who's the the other lady on the the morning show

[Pearl]

oh from alabama alabama yeah whatever her

[Misses P]

name is yeah they have her brother was at january sixth there's like a whole plot line where like she knows she she hides that her brother was at january sixth and they make it a big plot point it's it's weird and now looking back on it it's like m's gonna get pardoned portia and

[Pearl]

ellen renewed their wedding vows at a surprise birthday party so basically they told all their friends that they're having a birthday party but everybody gets there surprise it's actually a wedding renewal ceremony oh great ellen it was portia's it was portia's birthday january thirty first twenty twenty three at their home in california and the ceremony was officiated by their good friend kris jenner oh come on how

[Misses P]

the is a kardashian involved there's always

[Pearl]

a kardashian involved yeah i mean it

[Misses P]

makes again ellen does collect evil people like pokemon she really does dude yeah

[Pearl]

porsche wore her original w bush there porsche wore her original wedding dress which i love but the thing i don't love is i get this icky feeling because i watched like i read all the promo about it and like the little videos that were about it and it feels to me and this is allegedly in just my opinion it feels like ellen stole portia's birthday party to get good press out there okay because specifically when you look at the guest list of who was there it feels like she picked people people that would be highlighted in the media to be like oh my god guess who was at the guest list of the super secret wedding ceremony and it okay here are some of the guest lists gwyneth paltrow jennifer aniston okay katy perry oh carol burnett oh melissa etheridge okay orlando bloom meghan markle and prince harry okay so it just feels like she's just

[Misses P]

trying to get press beyond beyond carol bennett and melissa e melissa e because obvious like but comedy icon gay icon and musician the rest does kind of feel of like who was popular on instagram in twenty thirteen yeah like if

[Pearl]

you're you're you're you're only inviting over fifteen people to a secret birthday dinner and then you're going to surprise them showing up in your wedding dress and kris jenner is going to officiate it feels it feels like you stole her birthday party for promo yeah that's what

[Misses P]

it feels like it did feel it felt like one it feels like one last gas let's yes see because also it's one of those things too when you've been canceled because the thing is ellen could come back ellen can and she probably will yeah but what i'm saying though is is when you're being canceled you try to do things like well let me put out a thing that no one would leave a mean comment on yeah i'll put out a thing that no one will here's a picture of me holding a puppy and

[Pearl]

then everyone's like i remember the puppy episode it changed my life yeah yeah

[Misses P]

the way you you ruined puppies like but there's a thing though you have

[Pearl]

to adopt not shop because she'd say she bought a puppy yeah exactly no

[Misses P]

i'm saying but this is what people people do and there's a testing that you do in that in personal pr when you're playing around with these things

[Pearl]

citing the political climate following the twenty twenty four us election the couple moved to cotswolds england portia and ellen yeah portia now and they remember this yeah they left they left yeah rosie went to ireland they went to england yeah they bought like this big beautiful estate because porsche is big into horses so

[Misses P]

i guess they like yeah but also like ellen and portia famously because i remember talking about it they move like every six months they move a lot

[Pearl]

because they're big into real estate they like to buy houses and flip it

[Misses P]

it's not like rich people flip no but i think it's also part of it is is like ellen not wanting to ellen be has a nomadic lifestyle yeah same thing with the jobs not to get like too therapeutic about it but there's a thing about her where she always wants to be on the move and you and i were like that when we first got together until we bought this house and then we found all the nightmares yeah we're like well we're stuck now yeah for a bit for a bit we're doing stuff but we moved a lot yeah i mean we were always like moving every

[Pearl]

lease that came up we were like let's find somewhere new y always yeah

[Misses P]

the the long the least we kept the longest was during COVID and then during that one i was like we need to buy a house yeah we're

[Pearl]

like we're never doing this and then

[Misses P]

we found this one and we're like it's haunted there's what in the wall

[Pearl]

not asbestos so finding the british weather difficult to handle the couple bought another property in montecito california for the winter

[Misses P]

time okay fascism famously doesn't happen in the winter right well it's too cold

[Pearl]

cold it's too cold and gray they

[Misses P]

have enough money they could have gone

[Pearl]

to portugal i mean they could have

[Misses P]

gone to spain portugal spain they're right

[Pearl]

there fiji gonna love islands there's so many islands okay i didn't check when discussing getting kicked out of hollywood she just interview and they were interviewing her about getting kicked out of hollywood yeah she just she said she's been kicked out of hollywood before she was kicked out in nineteen ninety eight for being gay this is her the last quote what i have next time i'll be kicked out for being old old gay and mean the triple crown

[Misses P]

honestly she's

[Pearl]

like that's so funny she's still funny that's i would say honestly i would say if a man said this it wouldn't be a thing no it wouldn't

[Misses P]

it wouldn't be i would say i mean that's the thing the one thing they can never take away from ellen is that she is funny yeah i think that she is there is a distance between the ellen the classic ellen and the one of today yeah it's a lot it's money it's just money it's too much money it's too much it's legitimately too much money yeah it's and i think that was one of the things of like what so i think there's there's a thing that happens with what ellen went through when she came out right about she was such a groundbreaker such a trailblazer she sacrificed so much when she came out and she opened a lot of doors for a lot of people and i think that she believed that that made her special yeah special enough to be above the criticism whether it be hanging out with george bush the treatment of staff relatability all of these things and then times changed and i think the times changed faster than her and actually for me what actually made it all make sense was at the very beginning of this when you told me that she was born in nineteen fifty eight yeah the second you told me that she was a boomer she had to close the door behind her so much classes close the door behind her it's also of just like am i the wrong or is it the children yeah no the children must be wrong and i think a lot of what ellen in you know especially since about twenty nineteen because it's again super bowl selfie is a big moment but that george bush moment there was a lot of tell in that there is the shift that happened after covid of like how television died and our devices became number one the move from tv to devices the switch in that pr she was good at social media but she but that was like she was juiced from tv for social media yeah and so you know when you look at these numbers of what she has like how many of those numbers are people who are still actually fat how many of those followers are still legitimately alive yeah because there was a lot of old people that watched ellen during the daytime there was a lot of people who like and you look at facebook how many of those accounts are still active and there's there's a lot in that and so you know to ellen if you or your lawyers have been watching this episode thank you guys so much for making it to the end but join our patreon join our patreon i'm sure you'll do it for discovery but also to alan yourself ellen ellen we'll rent the studio again we'll put a chair right here we'll put a throne right here for ellen and we would love to hear honestly ellen i would love to hear your side of the story and i would love to hear more of your thoughts and have a discussion this is i think ellen's been one of those ones i've always found very very interesting and she is i do want to be very clear about this she is very funny she is a trailblazer and like every every human being on earth she's made mistakes mistakes it's up to the listeners and the viewers and people in general yeah of how what how much you want to forgive

[Pearl]

said at the beginning we're gonna let you guys decide we'll let you decide yeah you tell us you decide right

[Misses P]

here on epic rap battles of history

[Pearl]

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[Misses P]

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