HORRIFYING! The Disturbing Lore of 3 Haunted Lakes| TMT 150

Summary

Podcast Summary: Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500

Episode: “HORRIFYING! The Disturbing Lore of 3 Haunted Lakes | TMT 150”

Date: October 19, 2025
Hosts: Pearlmania500 (“A”) & Mrs. P (“B”)

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Episode Overview

In this haunted Spooktober episode, the podcasting duo explore the eerie lore, tragic history, and unsettling facts about three “haunted lakes” around the world. Mrs. P showcases deep-dive research (“too many tabs”) into:

• Lake Baikal in Siberia
• Lake Lanier in Georgia, USA
• Lake Superior in North America

Their journey through these waters covers a mix of supernatural legends, unsettling historic events, racism, political tangents, aquatic cryptids, creatures, and dark tales of human suffering—peppered with their characteristic tangents, irreverent humor, and social/political commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. All Lakes Are Spooky (06:00–14:00)

• The hosts express a general unease around lakes as opposed to beaches. Pearlmania500 describes personal discomfort swimming in lakes, referencing murky water, plant life grabbing at your legs, and horror movie associations like “Creepshow” and “Jaws.”
  • Quote: “All plants in water, especially in lakes, feel like they’re gonna grab you and pull.” (A, 07:17)
• Comedic debate: Are there beach horror movies?
  • Mrs. P: “Jaws!” (08:04)
  • Pearlmania500: “That’s not a horror movie!” (08:06)
• “Duality of thought”—Both hosts can love and fear different aspects of lakes.
  • Mrs. P: “I can like hanging out in the lake at the daytime, but if that water looks too dark and I can’t see my feet, I’m out.” (14:01)

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2. Lake Baikal, Siberia – Deepest, Oldest, Most Alien (15:35–40:00)

Facts & Scope

• Location: Southernmost Siberia, near Mongolia.
• Stats: Over 12,000 square miles, max depth 5,387 ft (five Delawares!), more water than all North American Great Lakes combined, 30 million years old.
  • Quote: “There’s more water in this lake than all of the North American Great Lakes combined.” (B, 20:05)
• Environment: Freezes most of the year, 6-ft thick clear ice, 2,000 earthquakes/year due to tectonic rift.
• Danger: Frozen lake causes deadly hypothermia/frostbite more than thin ice.

History & Lore

• The Great Siberian Ice March (1917–1920): During the Russian Civil War, the White Army (anti-Bolshevik) retreated across the frozen lake; many died, freezing in place and later sinking at thaw.
  • Quote: “As people kind of came back to the area in early spring, they could see frozen bodies standing across the lake. And then as the spring came and it warmed up, the... ice cracked and then they just sunk into the water.” (B, 29:10)
• Lost Tsar’s Gold: Legends of lost Russian gold sinking with a train derailment—now unreachable.

Unique Ecosystem

• Nerpa Seals: Only freshwater seal, adorable but terrifying “chainsaw” crab-eater teeth.
  • “That seal was the cutest seal you’ve ever shown me...Now you’re showing me its teeth... Each of the teeth have teeth!” (A, 34:00)
• Biodiversity: Home to unique creatures found nowhere else.

Cryptids & Aliens

• “Nessie”: Local “water dragon” cryptid, possibly a giant sturgeon with an evil face; locals made offerings (even blood sacrifices).
• “Lake Baikal Swimmers”: Russian navy divers in 1982 reported 9-ft humanoids with strange jellyfish-like helmets.
  • Quote: “I’m going to give them a maybe... you get down deep enough, you get a little bit of hallucination pressure going on.” (A, 37:56)

Tally

• Massive scale, ancient, teeming with strange creatures, soaked in civil war tragedy, reported cryptids and “aliens.” Both hosts agree: a big “spooky” (40:03).

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3. Lake Lanier, Georgia – Ghosts, Racism, & Ruins Beneath (44:02–86:57)

Modern Creation, Sinister Roots

• Location: Northern Georgia, man-made reservoir created in 1956 by damming the Chattahoochee River.
• Size: 59 square miles.
• Named after: Confederate poet Sidney Lanier—the hosts follow the thread, exploring who he was and why the United Daughters of the Confederacy promoted his legacy.

The Erased Black Town of Oscarville

• Before the lake: Oscarville, a prosperous, majority-Black farming community, born of post-Civil War Reconstruction.
• 1912 White Mob Violence: Framed accusations led to arrests and violent lynchings, arson, and ethnic cleansing by “Night Riders” (Klan-sympathizer vigilantes). Nearly all Black residents fled or were killed, land stolen through arson and adverse possession.
  • Quote: “Within a few years, 98% of the black residents of Oscarville had left or had been killed for refusing to leave...Other families were unable to sell their property at all before leaving because they were in too much imminent danger.” (B, 77:00)
• Legacy of Cover-Up: As of 2022, local resistance to teaching Oscarville’s history is fierce, described as “critical race theory.”

The “Haunting”

• Many deaths: 500+ drowning deaths since its formation, with persistent rumors of spirits dragging swimmers down, and hazardous debris—undemolished buildings and even cemeteries—lurking below.
  • Mrs. P: “You could get your foot trapped on the roof of a building.” (80:44)
• Justified Hauntings: Both hosts express the view that if any lake should be haunted, it’s this one—by the victims of race violence, loss, and attempted erasure.
  • Quote: “If you’re an angry ghost living in Lake Lanier and you’re drowning people. All right, okay. I’m on the ghost side at this point.” (B, 82:55)
• Modern Issues: On top of the horror, present-day water lawsuits and racist undertones in who is allowed water access, especially in Atlanta.

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4. Lake Superior – Ghost Ships and the “Bodies That Don’t Float” (88:19–103:14)

Facts & Spooks

• Location: Straddles the US–Canada border; the largest of the Great Lakes by volume.
• Nicknamed: The “Graveyard of the Great Lakes” (Whitefish Point) for the high number of shipwrecks.
  • Notable: The SS Bannockburn, the “Flying Dutchman of the Great Lakes” (ghost ship legends, skeletons reported on deck); the SS Hudson, and most famously, the Edmund Fitzgerald (immortalized by Gordon Lightfoot’s ballad).
  • Quote: “...the lake, it is said, never gives up her dead.” (B, 96:28)
• Lake Dynamics: Not at all still—a freshwater “inland sea” with oceanic-sized, deadly waves (see: Edmund Fitzgerald, “snapped like a twig” in a 1975 storm).

Creepy Science

• Bodies Don’t Surface: Water is cold (sub 35°F) and poor in bacteria. Bodies don’t decompose fully or float up—sometimes remaining intact and “waxy” near shipwrecks for years.
  • “Very often their bodies will just be floating next to the shipwreck without decomposing for quite a long time.” (B, 98:52)
  • Divers discovered “Old Whitey,” a preserved corpse from a 1927 wreck, still haunting the engine room in 1977.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Tangents and Humor:

• On being “content guys”: “I’m here to judge books by the content of their insides, not their book jackets.” (A, 10:51)
• On suburban lawns and water waste: “Lawns are useless. They just absorb water and leach chemicals into our groundwater. We need to stop having lawns.” (B, 86:31)
• (“Justified haunting”) “If you’re a white person, don’t swim in this lake...that’s a justified haunt.” (A, 82:55)
• Ranking lakes: “I think Siberia as a whole is its own level of spooky...I’m gonna give Lake Lanier my number one spooky lake.” (A, 106:09)

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Lake Rankings (by Spookiness)

1. Lake Lanier: Most haunted, with injustice-driven trauma and ongoing cover-up.
2. Lake Baikal: Deepest, oldest, stranger than fiction—aliens, monsters, and unresting spirits.
3. Lake Superior: Still terrifying, but loses out to ancient deep-time weird and injustice.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro & Lake Phobia/Horror Films: 06:00–14:00
• Lake Baikal Overview: 15:35–40:00
  • “Nessie” & Swimmers: 34:40–39:50
• Lake Lanier/Oscarville Hidden History: 44:00–86:57
  • Oscarville’s destruction: 61:25–78:36
  • Hauntings and modern disputes: 80:00–86:57
• Lake Superior & Ghost Ships: 88:19–103:14
  • Dead that “never bloat”: 98:17–102:44
• Lake Rankings/Wrap-up: 103:00–108:04

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Tone, Language & Style

• Irreverent and chatty, blending dark humor with thoughtful reflection.
• Direct language unafraid to call out racism, injustice, and societal hypocrisy (“white devils,” “lynch mob,” “racist lake,” etc.)
• Plenty of asides, exuberant banter, and offbeat sound effects (“That’s the cackle of white women tears.” (A, 80:01))
• Critical but empathetic approach to hauntings—spooky is taken seriously alongside the true horror of real human suffering.

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Final Thoughts

The episode weaves history, legend, mythology, and social conscience in its tour of the world’s most haunted lakes. While the aquatic monsters and preserved corpses are creepy enough, the real horror often lies just beneath the surface—tales of tragedy, displacement, and erasure that linger to this day.

“If any lake should be haunted, it’s this one.” (B, 79:52)
Haunted lakes, haunted pasts.

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For more spook-tacular history and irreverence, find Too Many Tabs at Pearlmania500.net or your podcast app of choice.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, it's really hard to get back to the lake.

[A]

We cover things like aquatic aliens. We cover the history of racism in America. We talk about the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, my hatred of multiple states. So stay tuned as we open how many tabs? Too Many Tabs. Remember to smile. Welcome to Too Many Tabs, a podcast where a husband and wife duo sit next to each other at a table. I don't know if you guys noticed that right now. If you look outside, especially if you're in Pennsylvania, it's gotten a little bit chillier. The leaves are starting to fall.

[B]

Sweater weather.

[A]

It's sweater weather. But more importantly, that means it's Spooktober. That's Right. That sound means that Mrs. P has been looking into things that are a little bit spooky.

[B]

A little bit spooky. Ooky.

[A]

Yeah. Last week you covered the six. Your six. Top six.

[B]

Top six.

[A]

Gates of Hell.

[B]

Yeah, there's a lot of gates of Hell there. I just picked out the top six. Although Jersey and pa. Yeah, they were pretty lame.

[A]

And a lot of people were like, why would you say all these bad things about Ohio? And I'm like, again, you live there. You know why.

[B]

But I shout out Ohio always.

[A]

You. You're pro Ohio. I am very much still at war. But we have a couple of corrections from last week's episode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Number one being it was Siberia, not Serbia.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, here's the thing. I. I misspoke. I meant Siberia. I thought. I thought I said Siberia. Apparently, I didn't. Yeah, my bad.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And then I also mispronounce Turkmenistan. Turkmenistan. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And apologies to all of our Turkmen fans for Mrs. P's Hoagie Mouth.

[B]

I fixed it. Right. Next clip.

[A]

I know you did. We came back to it, and you fixed it. But the comments. The comments were already typing unforgiving. Listen, people get in the comments and they start typing them early on, which I want to just tell everybody right now. Make sure if you're watching this on YouTube, like, subscribe, you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts. Give us those five stars. Spotify Spy, five stars. Hit us with that review. And if you're following us on Patreon, you can hear us react to your comments on the After Party, our Patreon exclusive podcast that we do every single week.

[B]

Yeah, we respond to all the comments there.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And we. A little sassy.

[A]

We do get a little sassy. And we go off on crazy tangents, because sometimes with the topics we talk about on here, that reminds you guys of something, and then your responses remind us of something. You can find all of [e-mail] now we've gotten those announcements out of the way, Mrs. P. Yeah. Which means we can get deep into the lore and the research that you have done.

[B]

Guess what happened.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

I. I deep dove, as they say. I deep dove. Which is crazy lakes. Yes, in the lakes. Because I was like, ticket, ticket, ticket. Gates of hell. And then I was like, well, if there's fire, Gates of hell, what's the opposite? What is the. The other side of that? You know, Captain Planet, you got Earth, you got fire, you got wind. I don't remember. They are water. And so I Was like, let me check out these lakes.

[A]

You forgot heart.

[B]

I never forget heart.

[A]

Heart. That was my favorite one. Because he was like, heart.

[B]

And it's like, well, you need heart. I mean, you do fight for the planet.

[A]

Yeah. But I think the rat guy won.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The rat guy from Captain Planet. I think he's the head of the EPA now.

[B]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[A]

I just want to throw that out.

[B]

Sure. I'm pretty sure we were told early on how this is going to play out.

[A]

Don't you remember in Captain Planet there was like a Russian lady with like a half burned face? She had a sweet swoop. Right? I think that is Melania. Like I think that's the first lady.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Because she's like, we will destroy Captain Planet and then I will wear Coco Chanel. She was a Nazi.

[B]

No, he was a hero who was going to take pollution down to zero.

[A]

Yeah, well, it didn't really work out anyway. Okay.

[B]

So I wanted to look at spooky lakes.

[A]

Spooky lakes.

[B]

And here's the thing, they're way different. It's a different experience looking at spooky lakes versus looking at gates of hell. But I picked out three that I thought had some really interesting lore.

[A]

Gotcha. Can I say real fast before we get into the spooky lakes, to me, all lakes are spooky.

[B]

You know what? I don't disagree.

[A]

I think, I think there's something about still water.

[B]

Well, it moves.

[A]

Does it?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Not enough for me. I need a wave. Okay. Because if I.

[B]

We're getting into waves.

[A]

Can I tell you, can I tell you when I go to a lake?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I remember the first lake I ever went to. Like a big lake where you could swim in with like an old swimming hole style lake.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And there's a platform out in the distance. I hopped down, I. I dove into the water. I was in my 20s. All right. Wasn't never a lake guy. Never. I want to be on, on record here. I've never been a lake guy. I've always been a beach guy. Go down the shore. Right. Go to the waves. Part of the, part of the fun of the waves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of the shore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is the boardwalk. It's a whole experience. Right. It's not just the water itself. So we go to this, we go to this lake in Maine. Boo.

[B]

Love Maine. Shout out.

[A]

It was. We're in Maine. I, I'm. My goal, by the way of this podcast by the time I'm done, is to have talk show on all 50 states.

[B]

Well, there's a lot of easy ones there.

[A]

There's a lot of layups, especially in Maine. Anyway, so I'm at this lake surrounded by white devils on all sides.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're like, we're gonna swim out to this platform. I got about, I want to say about 15ft into the lake.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Like swim, swim, swim. And as a smoker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I really not having a great time lung wise. Okay, go to go. Put my feet down. It goes down forever.

[B]

Yeah, it goes down.

[A]

And immediately I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

I thought something touched your foot.

[A]

And something then did touch my.

[B]

Oh, that's so.

[A]

And that was probably like. I would again if this was the sea. If this was an ocean, I would say it's seaweed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just some plant. There's some plant down there. And all plants in water, especially in lakes, feel like they're gonna grab you and pull.

[B]

Yeah, they might.

[A]

They might grab you.

[B]

Especially these haunted lakes.

[A]

Exactly. And so it was very Creature of the Black Lagoon. And then I finally got out to the platform and then I remembered a Stephen King movie.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Creep show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you remember Creepshow?

[B]

Yes, I do.

[A]

Okay. In Creepshow, there's a lake that eats people. And it's like, spoiler alert. Yeah. There's these 20 year olds, like on a platform in the middle of a main lake. And I'm like, why the fuck did I do this?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then meanwhile, you're like, let's go to a lake. And I'm like, absolutely not.

[B]

Love lake.

[A]

Yeah. Let me tell you something. There are almost. I don't think there's any horror movies that are set at the beach.

[B]

Yes, there are.

[A]

Name one.

[B]

Jaws.

[A]

Okay. That's not a horror movie.

[B]

Yes, it is.

[A]

That's not a horror movie.

[B]

No, it is the horror of elected officials not stepping in appropriately.

[A]

Yeah, but that's not a horror.

[B]

And then being reelected.

[A]

But not a slasher movie.

[B]

Jaws slashes those people with his teeth.

[A]

It's Jaws first thing, number one.

[B]

Those teeth, Those all are different knives. But splash. Slash, slash, slash, slash.

[A]

The horror of Jaws is. No. No. I'm just going with no on this, okay.

[B]

Because you don't have a good argument.

[A]

No, I'm not saying that. I don't want to make a good argument. It's that Jaws is more of a thriller. I don't consider Jaws a horror movie in a classic way. Jaws isn't haunting the beach, is he?

[B]

Well, I mean, it. It just look I just googled it. Horror movies set at beach number one. Jaws, 1975.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

Directed by Steven Spielberg.

[A]

Oh, okay, cool, cool. We're going to go with. We're. I wanted to know. Let. Let the people know what you're doing right now, what you're reading right now.

[B]

I think it's.

[A]

No, first thing you're on Bing and you're reading an AI summary. You binged it.

[B]

I.

[A]

You being an AI summary. And then you immediately got immediately what it told you because the AI is in here.

[B]

Okay, let's see.

[A]

Go to creepy catalog. Creepy catalog dot com.

[B]

Okay. There's some movie called the Sand. Okay, about that. Shark attack movies. The Sand. The sand is a low budget monster movie. I think the sand is eating people.

[A]

Just scroll down to the top five. Just keep scrolling till you get to the top five because you got it. There's a lot in here.

[B]

Oh my God. It's like 13.

[A]

There's. There's so many. I know. There's the movie Piranha again, I don't consider these horror movies, though.

[B]

There's. Oh, old. I never saw this, but that's the M. Night Shyamalan.

[A]

Oh, that's when they go to the beach and they immediately get old.

[B]

Yeah, I met Shyamalan.

[A]

That's not about the beach show.

[B]

The only person we don't take credit.

[A]

For in Philly, that is. Okay. I met his wife. Real bitch.

[B]

I met. I met his whole family. They had a birthday party at a restaurant.

[A]

I got. Did I ever talk about this on the pod before?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

We probably were meeting his wife.

[B]

Yeah, I think we did talk.

[A]

I'm going to talk about it again though.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I worked at Borders Books in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania. And M. Night Shyamalan's wife came in and she was redecorating, I think their living room. And they had built in bookshelves, of course, and she had a color palette, a color wheel. And she wanted specific books of a specific color, green for the wall. And I was just like, I don't have time for this. And she thought I was like her personal shopper. And meanwhile, I want to just tell you something right now. I was 20 years old. Yeah, I was hungover and I was about to go on lunch break.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, God. And she tried to get me fired because I refused. I was like, do you need help finding like a specific book? She was like, I'm looking for books in this color shade of green. And I was like, no. I just like, no. I'm not doing this.

[B]

Was it Martha Stewart green?

[A]

No, it wasn't Martha Stewart, she had like, this whole. They wanted the whole thing to be like, rainbow color. She didn't care about the content of the books. And you know me, I'm a content guy.

[B]

Oh, you're a content guy.

[A]

I love. I'm a content guy. All right. I'm here to judge books by the content of their insides, not their. Their book jackets. All right. I'm not going to judge a book by its cover. This book. And honestly, what she was going for was green. And I was like, here's the gardening section.

[B]

Yeah, I was literally the first thing that popped in my head is, Martha Stewart has a gardening book. I think it's literally called her gardening Handbook. And it is a specific green color that Martha Stewart. I'm pretty sure, like, I don't know if she has a copyright to this specific color, but I know that she like went and mixed a specific color back in like the late 80s, 90s. And it's like her signature green that she has, like, I think, rights to. I'd have to look into it. But it's like a very specific, you know, my thoughts. French. I know that she based it on, like, French aristocracy and like the color green they used in their gardens. Yeah, there's like a whole lore about this one. Martha Stewart green. And that's what I was picturing when you said green colored books.

[A]

No, no, she wanted. It was like. So the whole thing was like a crate. A gradient. So they wanted it to be a rainbow of books. So it's like they had like red. So it was like deep red going into, like pink going into, like yellow, like a color wheel. Which I'm like, is a great idea. Hire someone to do that. I was working at Borders books. It's 2004.

[B]

Okay, great year.

[A]

So I'm 20. Yeah, I'm 2004. I got people coming in cursing me out about the Swift Boat book. You don't remember that there was a book that the George W. Bush people wrote about John Kerry to claim that his Purple Heart was fake. And then they didn't sell enough copies to booksellers. So then guys like Sean Hannity went on the news, right. And was like, liberal booksellers are trying to hide the truth for you. You should go into the bookstores and yell at them.

[B]

So they were pro books back then?

[A]

No. So they were. They were claiming that we were hiding the books. And I was like. And I was really having people curse me up, being like, I Hate you, you dirty communist booksellers. And I'm like, no, we want to sell you the book.

[B]

Like, we were capitalists.

[A]

We literally want you to buy the book. But they don't. They didn't make enough copies of the book to create a false run.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was this whole deal. So then. And then I had, like, Harry Potter people coming in, being like, oh, I have to use Muggle money. It was a whole thing. And then on top of that, M. Night's wife walks in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And was like, help me find books in a variety of shades of green. And I was like, no, no, I don't need this. This is probably the worst job I've ever had. And guess what?

[B]

What?

[A]

That company doesn't exist anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know why? Because they partner with Amazon to run their search engine.

[B]

And there. We all know how that.

[A]

So what's their number one?

[B]

Guess what the number one is.

[A]

What?

[B]

It's fucking Jaws.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Leap that.

[A]

Don't bleep it, leave it in.

[B]

It's all right. You know, the second one is us by.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Okay, fine.

[B]

Jordan Peele.

[A]

I'm just saying, though, to me, when I think of a lake, I think of a spooky or creepy lake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think of the middle of nowhere. I think less people. I think very. Oh, like, too quiet at night. You know what I mean? Not enough light.

[B]

Creepy. Creepy. I love it.

[A]

Yeah. No, you love it. But that's the thing. You don't like dark water, though.

[B]

I don't like dark water.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

Listen, I'm allowed to be a hypocrite. Dual. Duality of thoughts.

[A]

Duality of thoughts.

[B]

I can like hanging out in the lake at the daytime, but if that water looks too dark and I can't see my feet, I'm out.

[A]

I'm just gonna tell you right now, I don't like the date. I don't like the lake in the daytime. I don't like lake at nighttime. I don't like it at dawn, at dusk. Any of these things.

[B]

Usually I would say that I will. I would try to convince you to like lake so that we. I can go live my dream to be a lake person.

[A]

No, you just go by yourself a.

[B]

Lot on this podcast. However, I don't think the research I've done on for this episode is going to convince. I don't think so. I think it's gonna have the opposite effect if I'm being honest.

[A]

All right, so listen, we're going to get into these.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You have three Legs.

[B]

Three legs.

[A]

We're going to start off in Siberia.

[B]

Yeah, we're going back to Siberia.

[A]

And we're going to start off right after this. What a classic TMT intro right there.

[B]

Mrs. P. What is it? Not undiagnosed, but like unmedicated ADHD.

[A]

Oh, yeah. No, Wholly diagnosed. As many content creators I know, we not only diagnosed by medical professionals, also diagnosed by many. A comment section. Make sure you throw down what you think is mentally wrong with us in the comments section below. We will wholeheartedly take that over any endorsement from BetterHelp.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

Real quick. Can I just say I'm gonna hit this button real fast.

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

Better help. Okay, Mrs. Pay. Yeah, go ahead and hit me with your number three.

[B]

I didn't put these in order. I didn't put these in order.

[A]

Okay. These aren't in order.

[B]

These aren't in order. Maybe at the end you can decide what the numer. The number order is.

[A]

Okay, got it. All right.

[B]

I just put these in an order of how I research them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. So I started back in Siberia because when we were talking about the gates to hell, we talked about how there was a gate in Siberia and how it's so cold, and I would consider that a gate to help because it's.

[A]

Too cold, and I can't say something real for this. So we're going back. Back to the U.S. back to the U.S.S.R. yep, exactly.

[B]

So Lake Baikal.

[A]

Baikal.

[B]

B, A I K A L. Baikal.

[A]

Sure is Baikal.

[B]

Located at the southernmost point of Siberia, and it is a short distance from Mongolia, so it's, like, right there.

[A]

Okay, got it. So if you're looking at Mongolia, it's going to be in that. That little corner there. Yeah, got it. And real fast, before we go any deeper, Free Siberia, y'. All.

[B]

What do you. Free Siberia?

[A]

Yeah. Siberia was conquered by the Russian czars way back in the day, and then when it became the Soviet Union, they kept it. Like, everyone thinks of Siberia as part of Russia, but Russia itself really is Moscovy, which is like the Moscow area.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the. Like to the east of.

[B]

Closer to Europe.

[A]

The west of the. The Ural Mountains.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. So, like, the Caucus Mountains. So where the Caucasus, the Ural, and the. In the Caucasians. The Caucasians, yeah. So that' side is really Russia, Right? Like, that's the ro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The rest of Siberia is a collection of, like, Asiatic peoples.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And they were all completely conquered by Russia, and they used them for natural gas extraction. Like, everything you feel about different cultures being Colonized and conquered is the same about Siberia. It's just. We're very used to that being this giant land mass on a globe and on a map.

[B]

It feels like, based on everything I've researched about Siberia, it feels like they could probably get away because, like, once you go into Siberia, man, it's cold.

[A]

It's very cold.

[B]

They don't. Nobody wants to fight you.

[A]

It's very cold. But it's also a desert, like, because of, like, desert. It's a cold desert, which is hard for people to wrap their head, their brains around a lot of times. So, yeah, when you're looking at all this different stuff. But that's. I just like to just throw that in there just because I feel like. Especially from the Russians, they're always pointing at being like, this thing over here. Like, you guys literally have. Have conquered one of the largest landmasses on Earth and you hold them as a colony inside of your own country. Yeah, Swan, just sprinkle a little bit of that.

[B]

I'm just gonna talk shit to Russia right now.

[A]

Yeah. You know what? You know why? Because that means we'll get even more comments, baby. Engagement is engagement.

[B]

The Russian bots are gonna get us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Lake Bacal.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Is the deepest lake in the world. In the world.

[A]

The deepest lake.

[B]

The deepest lake.

[A]

I already don't like it. I already told you the beginning how I feel if I can't touch my feet on the bottom.

[B]

No one's touching their feet on the bottom of this lake. Also, it is. When we talk about, like, how big it is. It is over 12,000 square miles large. It's actually larger than Belgium.

[A]

It's larger than Belgium?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Can we pick a place that people might actually know besides Belgium? Is that bigger than Rhode Island?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't know if that's true.

[A]

You don't know?

[B]

I just. In my mind, I. Look, I thought of Belgium and then I thought of Rhode Island. I said definitely bigger.

[A]

Yeah. I think Belgium is bigger than Rhode Island.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm saying. So I think. I think. What about Delaware?

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

I gotta look up the square mileage. You keep talking. I'm gonna look up the square mileage.

[B]

Let me tell you quickly about the maximum depth, about how your feet aren't gonna touch the bottom.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Maximum depth of the lake is 5,387ft.

[A]

5,387.

[B]

I actually have a gr. What was it called? Look at this. Okay, so this is a profile of all the deepest lakes. So this is Lake Bacall compared to every other lake.

[A]

That's gross. Yeah, I hate that.

[B]

Super deep.

[A]

Also, I looked it up. Delaware is only 2, 489 square miles.

[B]

So this lake is a couple delawares.

[A]

It's six Delaware. Quite a few delawares, but maybe five delawares.

[B]

Five delawares.

[A]

Five Delaware's wide lake. Yeah. That's crazy.

[B]

So it is the largest freshwater lake by volume.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So when you think of how full it is.

[A]

So what you're telling me is we could put a lot of data centers.

[B]

We could put a lot of data centers.

[A]

Why don't we put the data centers there instead of Memphis, Tennessee?

[B]

Yeah, well, there are people that live here, so let's not burden them. Okay?

[A]

Okay. But we could put the. There's also a lot near there. There's also a lot of not people there. There.

[B]

There's more water in this lake than all of the North American Great Lakes combined.

[A]

Shut up. That's crazy.

[B]

That's a lot of water.

[A]

I'm just saying we could build a data center next to that.

[B]

We're not building data centers.

[A]

Instead of building it on the grounds of a insane asylum that's been put down outside of Philadelphia.

[B]

Oh, my God. I hate that story so much.

[A]

With a Pennhurst insane asylum.

[B]

There's a insane asylum that's already being used as a haunted house. Which I hate.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I hate that. That's what they use that for. And then now they're demolish the whole place and build a data center.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't make me root. For the haunted house. Asylum. Don't make me root.

[A]

But real, real quick, though, you know what will happen?

[B]

What?

[A]

It's because it's a haunted insane asylum. Right? Ghost in the Machine.

[B]

Oh, what if the ghosts. Ghosts haunt the data goes make weird AI. Yeah, Ghost AI. Oh, yeah, right.

[A]

That one.

[B]

Anime this lake is also the world's oldest lake. It's estimated that it's 30 million years old.

[A]

That's fucked up. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. I don't like that. We are the deepest, cold, deepest, biggest.

[B]

Coldest freshwater, like 30 million years old in Siberia.

[A]

This is. There is a. There's a. There's quite a few weird French comic books I've read that feel like this. Yeah, that. This is like how it starts. We're like, oh, we're researching. This feels very much like. Like the movie. It's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I know they're in Antarctica, but.

[B]

It'S just that I was thinking about. Remember the story Report we did under the Deep, where it was like the mermaids, because they were, like, in the deep. It was the whole thing. I love that throwback. Go listen to that episode.

[A]

Bisexual scientists, always. They're banned in Russia.

[B]

Oh, okay. So here's the other thing. This is what's called a rift lake, which means it was created by tectonic plates moving. Okay. Because there's a rift.

[A]

I thought it was a rift because it's a portal to hell.

[B]

No, this is a different episode.

[A]

I know, but this feels like this could be.

[B]

If there was. This could be.

[A]

This could definitely be, like, the abyss.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, so here's a thing that's going to make you feel really safe.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Is that because of where this lake is located, it experiences approximately 2,000 earthquakes a year because there's constant movement. And so because of that, in the distant future, this could actually just become an ocean. There's enough water and space and the fact that it keeps moving and earthquakes keep happening, it could just expand and become an ocean itself or maybe a sea.

[A]

Listen, I'm going to go with sea because, oh, there's seven oceans, right? And they're big, they're massive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're. They're globe covering, I think. See, there's rules around a sea.

[B]

I think it could be if. I think. You think.

[A]

You think it could become an ocean.

[B]

I think there's enough water in there. Mm.

[A]

I'm gonna go with C. I'm just going to go out there right now. I'm gonna say it could be big enough to become a sea. I will say that. I'll give you that. I'm not gonna give you ocean status yet. We do not allow you the rank of ocean, but you can sit on the ocean council.

[B]

So this lake freezes, obviously, a lot. Most of the year, honestly.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And when it makes it.

[A]

Siberia.

[B]

Yeah, it's Siberia.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So the. When the lake freezes, it can get, like, six feet thick of ice. So this is a thick layer of ice on top. Okay. And you also can see through it because it's clear, fresh water, and so you can see down. And it actually gets, like, these really cool. I have a picture of it. It has these really cool, like. What's it like? It shatters. The ice. Shatters. Yes. So see these fractals? So when you walk by, walk on it, you can look down into the fractalization. That's a word I just made up.

[A]

Oh, you didn't just make that up. That's a word that's interesting.

[B]

It feels like it could be right.

[A]

I heard a whole thing about fractals in nature recently, and it made me go, huh.

[B]

Okay, so listen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When the lake freezes, it can be crossed by foot. You can walk across the other side. You can drive cars across it.

[A]

I don't care.

[B]

And they do.

[A]

I'm gonna just say this right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I won't. I never will. Number one, I'm. I don't think I'm ever going to Russia in my lifetime. I feel like that if there was a chance for that, should have gone in the late 90s, early 2000s. I feel like, not really a great time to go over to Russia, I don't think. But number two, I have a rule in general of just when they're like, yeah, yeah, it's safe. You can walk out on the ice. I go, no, no, thank you. Absolutely not.

[B]

No, thank you. And here's the thing is you're thinking it's. The ice is going to crack, you're going to fall in the water. That is definitely not going to happen. That is like six feet or more.

[A]

Doesn't matter.

[B]

What is actually going to happen is there's an incredibly high risk of frostbite and deadly hypothermia because cold wind moves so quickly over the ice because it's completely flat. So when you walk across it, you're actually at an incredible risk for frostbite and hypothermia because it's like you said, it's desert. It's a lake surrounded by a frozen desert. So the wind and cold is just.

[A]

And there's nothing really to stop.

[B]

There's no wind break.

[A]

I think about when I went to Nebraska many, many years ago, was driving, had the windows down, and there was a small clump of trees, like, I want to say, like half a mile in distance. And we were driving like, win, win, win, win, win, win, win. Cause everything's corn. Win, win, win, win, win, win, win. And we passed this small clump of trees about a half mile away. And it was like almost. It was. The windbreak was crazy of, like, what the trees caused. So when you're in the middle, I mean, 12,000. We did 12,000 square miles. Five delawares.

[B]

Five delawares.

[A]

Imagine five delawares, no trees. Five delawares, no trees. Windy wind. And then on top of that, you're also dealing with the. The ice is going to be in an even lower temperature than the air above it, possibly, or the differential. So it gets that push, makes it even more.

[B]

It's like those cheap air conditioners they sell at the as seen on TV store, where it's like you put ice in it and then it just blows. A fan.

[A]

Yeah, it's just a fan blow. But actually. Which was also how they used to keep cool before we had actual AC units.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you go watch especially, like, any movies that's set in, like, the 1910s or 1920s, it's like they have the brand new fan you can still stick your fingers in.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

And there's always like a big bowl of ice in front of it, and they're just blowing that around. Like, maybe that'll do something.

[B]

It'll help.

[A]

And, oh, Lawrence, you're back from that land called Arabia.

[B]

Like. All right, so let's talk about that Russian Civil War.

[A]

Okay. What a pivot.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so following the Bolshevik Revolution, the White Armies were forced to retreat through Siberia in 1917.

[A]

So real fast. Yeah. Do you need to explain to people who the White.

[B]

I was going to.

[A]

Oh, you got it. Got it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You got it.

[B]

You can. You can elaborate, right?

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

Because you're good. You're my history teacher. No, the country was civil war, Right. Between the people that supported the Tsar. They're the White Guards, or the White army and the new regime, the people fighting against the Tsarists are the Red Army. Also there were Czechoslovakians, Czechoslovaks, who were also fighting alongside the Red army against the Tsarist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So that's the White Army.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Did I do it?

[A]

You got it.

[B]

Social studies teacher.

[A]

You nailed it.

[B]

Okay. The White Russians, the whites are pushed back by the Red army and the Czechoslovaks fighting their way. And what's happening is they're fighting, but they're losing. The White army is losing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And as they're losing, they're getting pushed further into Siberia.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then at a certain point, they're forced to retreat. Right. They're like, we are losing. We don't have food. It's almost the middle of winter. We have to get out of here. So they're completely retreating while still being attacked. Like, randomly. They're randomly getting attacked. And this isn't just army people. This is their families. This is also supplies. So it's like the SAR supplies, and they're following along the Trans Siberian Railway, but also end up on at the lake. And this is part of what's called the Great Siberian Ice March. Okay.

[A]

And it's one thing to keep in mind, much like in China, where Mao moves his troops across China and all these different things at this time, they don't have the mechanization that we're used to today. So today if you're going to move a large mass of people, typically you have vehicles. Cars aren't built at this time to cover this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Tanks were barely existing at this time. Like we're talking about where It's World War I times. So we're still with horse and carriages. Yes. We're still dealing with a lot of people moving on foot, especially in bad boots. In the middle of Siberia.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. Or in the middle of winter. So like this is like a horrific march. Yeah. If you ever look into Napoleon's invasion of Russia and especially like what his troops looked like walking back, like, it's crazy. Like some of the stats around that are insane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's just like, like what she's describing before you even get to the lake is an experience that you never want to live through or look too much into. Yeah. Because it is a nightmare of its own.

[B]

It's a horror world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So in the winter of 1920, the great Siberian ice march occurred. The retreating White Russian army crossed the frozen lake. Baikal. Soldiers, families, supplies. The wind on the exposed frozen lake was so cold, many, many people died freezing in place while walking. So when, like as people kind of came back to the area in early spring, they could see frozen bodies standing across the lake. And then as the spring came and it warmed up, the, the, they cracked, the ice cracked and then they just sunk into the water. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

That's where the, that's where the, the, the horror is.

[A]

That is the most horrific.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it reminds me of War, War Z. Did you ever read that book? So Brad Pitt made the movie. The movie's whatever. But the book is really, really good.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Actually the audiobook. Incredible.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But in it they tell about Russia with this. The whole thing is it's a worldwide zombie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Apocalypse.

[B]

Always zombies.

[A]

It's always zombies. But they're the slow moving zombies. Okay. But in Russia, that was one of the things with Siberia, the zombies would walk and they would freeze.

[B]

And.

[A]

And so then the Russians, to save ammo, walk around with ice picks and just go like into each of their skulls. But it's like the description of them like going through this for years of like. Yeah. We retreated into Siberia and then the zombies freeze on the way. So we just walk around with ice picks and chisel their brains. And I was like, smarts. No, it was one of those things. There's so many things in World War Z where I'm like, that's actually. Oh, that's.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

That's actually pretty.

[B]

Yeah. Solution.

[A]

Build your house on stilts. Zombies can't climb. I like that. And then they made the World War Z movie. And they're like, now they all run and they pile up and it's actually weirdly pro. Israel. What? It don't. It's.

[B]

Okay. Okay, so here's an interesting thing. So we know the. The horrors of all these people freezing to death and sinking into the water. But the lake could also be filled with the Empire's gold because the SARS gold was being hidden and moved using trains. And also, just like, people were, like, designated to be in control of moving. The Empire's.

[A]

The treasury.

[B]

The treasury. So as they're running farther and farther into Siberia, the Bolsheviks did eventually catch up to some of them. And then they would find these crates where they're like, oh, this is. We've been hunting these gold bars. And then they'd open them and there wouldn't be in there because it was like a decoy.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Right.

[B]

So then they were actually somewhere else, but there was a huge train crash right at the edge of the lake. And people believe that that train was actually carrying the real boxes of gold. And then the gold sank in the lake, and then nobody could get it because it's way too fucking deep.

[A]

It's 5,000ft deep.

[B]

That gold is down there.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's. Yeah, that's too deep.

[B]

Yeah. But let's get to something cute. Have you ever heard of a Nerpa seal?

[A]

A Nerpa seal?

[B]

A Nerpa seal.

[A]

No. Are we still in Russia?

[B]

Yeah. So. Okay, here's the thing. This lake is actually an ecosystem to so many different animals, really, that are specific. Specific to the area that's like their own. Like, there are things that live in there that can only live in there. And one of the things that lives there is this really cute seal called the Nerpa or the bacal sale. The bacal seal. I. Sorry, I said that wrong, but look how cute he is.

[A]

Oh, he's so cute.

[B]

Isn't he the cutest?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

He's a little furry seal because they. It gets very cold, so they gotta say very furry.

[A]

Oh, I love that.

[B]

But there's something very interesting about him. He's got very weird teeth. Let me show you his teeth.

[A]

What?

[B]

Look at his teeth. They're called crab eater teeth because they eat frozen ice crabs, so they have to be able to break them. And that's crazy.

[A]

That's that's insane. That their teeth. They're like little chainsaw teeth.

[B]

Yeah. That's so like that seal near you, because if he bites you. Let me get.

[A]

Let me describe first. I'm going to describe to the audio listeners because we need to. We do a better job about describing things to people, especially when you show.

[B]

I showed him a very cute, fuzzy seal.

[A]

It's the cutest seal you've ever seen. Like Build a Bear wishes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Build a Bear wishes. And like, I'm not a seal guy. I want to throw that out there.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

I'm not. I love Kiss by a Rose. But the rest of, like, seals in general. I remember in the 90s, there was a lot of, like, aquatic movies, right?

[B]

Well, there was Free Willy.

[A]

Free Willy. But there was another one about, like, the seal that would, like, come back to, like, some place. And I want to say, like, Washington.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

They're watching and be like, okay, I mean, like, I get it. Like, we should leave seals alone. But I've never been like, oh, the seals. I feel like that's more of a. Especially a West coast thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They love the United States. They're big into seals, so they've been like, oh, but, like, if I see. But that. That seal was the cutest seal you've ever shown me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now you're showing me its teeth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which feels very much in a movie where they go to, like, a. An alien planet. Yeah. Right. And all the little creatures are cute. Oh, my God, they're so cute.

[B]

Look at the little creatures.

[A]

And also, they go. And they got, like, the craziest teeth you've ever seen. That's the teeth?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Those are wild teeth. Each of the teeth have teeth?

[B]

Yes. There are 1, 2, 3, 4 ridges on each tooth on each side.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. No, don't let this thing bite you.

[A]

No, it's gonna get you. Yeah, no, that is. That's how you lose a. That's.

[B]

You lose a fingie and probably get an infection. Yeah. Come on.

[A]

But I like the seal. I want to pet it.

[B]

Don't pet it.

[A]

I want to pet it. I'll risk it. Risky pet.

[B]

No.

[A]

They used to say on the Internet, risky Boop.

[B]

What's.

[A]

Oh, it's like a lion or a tiger.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Booping on the nose.

[B]

Okay, so listen, this lake, it also has its own nest. Nessie. They. I couldn't find a name for it, though. You know, like the Loch Ness.

[A]

Oh, it has its own cryptid.

[B]

Yes, it has its own cryptid. Okay. Actually, it has two cryptids. We're gonna get into it.

[A]

We're gonna get into it.

[B]

So the Nessie has lots of descriptions. I couldn't find what they call it in Russia, you know, like. So I'm just gonna say Nessie. It's a water dragon that dwells in McKi Bay, which is the warmest part of the lake. And it, the lore is that it takes fishermen to his underwater kingdom. And he looks like a giant sturgeon with an evil face or like a lizard monster. I love that.

[A]

It's a kingdom.

[B]

He's got a kingdom.

[A]

I'm just obsessed with like we would be like lair, like kingdom. No, you see, he is big fish.

[B]

He has all the gold.

[A]

He has big fish with old man.

[B]

Stars, gold down there.

[A]

And he is the king because he has the crown. It's fucking crazy.

[B]

To placate the beast, the locals have offered fur, jewels, food and some even practice blood sacrifices.

[A]

Whoa. You know, I'm going to give him this one. Can I tell you? Yeah. I'm going to give them this one because as we covered in our dragon episode. Yeah, dragon just means big snake. Yeah, it literally just means big snake. I don't doubt that there is a giant eel of some sort 30 million years old that has been.

[B]

Looks like this.

[A]

That's Godzilla. No, that's Godzilla. You're holding up my brand new Godzilla. New Godzilla to match the Ghidorah. Yeah, but the, the, the. I don't doubt that there's a giant eel with a weird face. Yeah, you know, like a few.

[B]

Like there's a dinosaur in there. It's a 30 million year old lake.

[A]

Yeah, no, this, I'm going to give it this one. I'm Russians. I'm giving you this one.

[B]

Siberians.

[A]

Siberian.

[B]

Free Siberia.

[A]

Free Siberia.

[B]

So here's. I think you're going to give them that one. I think this other cryptid, less likely you're going to get.

[A]

Okay, hit me with it.

[B]

Okay. So they're called the lake by call swimmers and they're underwater humanoid creatures that Russian Navy divers encountered in the lake in 1982.

[A]

Yeah, we're talking about. So we're talking about the abyss. We're talking about like weird little alien creatures that are floating around in the bottom of this endless lake.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. With weird little helmets on. The helmets kind of look like they're wearing a jellyfish.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So during a regular military dive exercise, working at a depth of 164ft, divers noticed something strange in the water with them. The divers Reported seeing humanoid shaped creatures that had bodies that stretched out in nine feet of length and had like these weird helmets on that kind of look like jellyfish.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The size of the creature wasn't the only clue that the divers encountered that it was not of this world. They had silver silhouettes and these transparent spheres on their head and like. Yeah, they describe him as looking like an open umbrella right over their heads. Once the diverse resurfaced, they reported the sighting to their commander, who ordered the men back into the freezing cold lake and told them to catch one of the swimmers.

[A]

So I think they may have had some. Okay. I actually. This is going to catch you off guard.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm going to give them a maybe.

[B]

A maybe.

[A]

I'm gonna give them a maybe that they saw something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. But there's a couple combinations on there. I don't know if the tank had the right mix in it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Maybe they, you know, you get down deep enough, you get a little bit.

[B]

Of hallucination pressure going on.

[A]

A little bit of pressure. Maybe there's a little bit too much nitrogen, maybe something in there that like make you go a little crazy. Right? There's maybe a little bit of that. I'm giving a little bit of that. But this is also five delawares wide, 5,000ft deep.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

30 million years old.

[B]

Yeah, could be.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

We don't know.

[A]

Listen, right now we currently have congressmen who are walking around being like, there's all these giant things in the ocean, man. Like, I'm like, what is on the Epstein list?

[B]

What is.

[A]

What is on that list that you guys are trying to bring out under. They keep trying to roll out underwater. Aliens now. And everyone's like, shut the fuck up, dude. Have you seen the prices of Halloween candy, yo?

[B]

Listen, I think when people get to the grocery store, they see that Halloween candy prices, we're in for a trip.

[A]

We're. We'll see.

[B]

So the seven divers are told by their commander to get back in there and catch one.

[A]

I don't doubt that. That also, like, if I was a drunk Russian diver commander and bunch of guys popped out like, oh, sir, you won't believe what we saw down there. Go get me one. Go grab what you know. I'm drinking vodka straight from that real good glug. Take a rip. Go get me one. Bring it up. You saw me. I don't know why I turned fresh.

[B]

I don't know. There were not enough decompression chambers on shore for all seven of the divers. And three of the divers Were left to die because they got the bends when they came back up.

[A]

What the fuck?

[B]

Yeah, what the fuck?

[A]

That's the most Russian shit I've ever heard. Yeah, we have more diversity.

[B]

We can always get more divers. What are those in the world?

[A]

We get more divers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

But yeah, so that. Those are the things I. When I was looking at the. The biggest, coldest oldest lake, this is all the information I found. So I. I mean, is it haunted? Is it. It's definitely spooky.

[A]

Can I tell you how I feel about it? I'm gonna give it one big spooky. Yeah, that's one big spooky, right?

[B]

I think we should take a break and when we come back, we're gonna come to America and we're gonna go to Georgia. Oh, and it's gonna get weird.

[A]

Oh, man. That's a different type of horror. Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.

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[A]

That first lake in Russia. I'm gonna give it to you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Spooky little.

[B]

Spooky.

[A]

A little.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know how you can out spook.

[B]

I wouldn't actually want to go to that lake.

[A]

I don't want to ever go to.

[B]

That cold number two old.

[A]

I would rather go to the portal of hell in Turkmenistan, which people did say is covered in camel spiders. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. People looked up and then a lot of people commented like, I wish I never googled camel spiders. Yeah, we told you not.

[A]

We told you not to.

[B]

Really scary.

[A]

Yeah. But let us know down the comments what you think about this Lake Bai call.

[B]

So Lake Lanier in Georgia.

[A]

Lanier.

[B]

Lanier.

[A]

Okay, Georgia. I'm already I already have bad feelings. I. I'm just going to tell you why. It's the South. I mean, just give you my raising right now. It's the South.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. It's a lake. I already told you, like how we already feel about. How I feel about lakes in general, especially in the middle of nowhere. And now we're talking about Georgia and. Which is. Georgia is deep South. I know a lot of people don't view it as as much now because of Atlanta, but like, Georgia is right there next to Mississippi. You know what I mean? Next to. Next to Alabama.

[B]

Listen, this is a. This is a situation you're going to come up with any time you look at history in America.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. And I was actually thinking about this because in our last episode, I was talking about how I wanted to do. I want to make a YouTube channel where I go ghost hunting.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Right. And thank you to all the new subscribers. I have like 500 subscribers.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Find my page, everybody.

[A]

On your YouTube. On your new YouTube page that has no content yet.

[B]

But I'm going to make ghost hunting videos. But the thing is, is when you're talking about ghost hunting and when things are haunted in America, there's usually statistically a dark, storied past that has to do with racism.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Always.

[A]

Specifically slavery.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the Civil War.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so there's. You can't talk about history in America without looking directly in the face of the Civil War, slavery and racism.

[A]

Well, I mean, you can. You just have to be the Smithsonian underneath the Trump administration. Just say, ah. Nah, not that bad. Yeah, that's all. That.

[B]

That's not who we are.

[A]

But that's not who we are.

[B]

Yeah. No, we actually get to talk about what happens.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So here's the thing. Lake Lanier is a reservoir in the northern part of Georgia. It was created by the completion of the Buford Dam on the Chattahoochee river.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

In 1956.

[A]

I've heard of the Chattahoochee.

[B]

It's an incredible name. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think there's a song about it. So it's a man made lake.

[B]

It's a man made lake that is.

[A]

Built by a dam.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Okay. Got it.

[B]

The lake is 59 square miles of water.

[A]

Okay. That is not the size of Delaware. No, that's much smaller.

[B]

Much smaller.

[A]

This. It's still big. It's nine square miles.

[B]

It's big.

[A]

It's huge.

[B]

It's just not Siberia.

[A]

It's not Siberia.

[B]

It's named after a Confederate veteran Named Sidney Lanier.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. And so here's what happened. I'm like, who is this?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I don't know. Right.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you immediately. Because I was gonna be like, who is this guy?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because this is what. This is the heart of the show. This is how you open up a tab. You go in, you're like, I'm looking for a spooky lake. You find this lake and you go, yeah, but who's this?

[B]

Who is Sidney Lanier, first thing?

[A]

Sidney. Yeah, Lanier. Okay, tell me.

[B]

Well, okay, so he was an American musician. This is from the Wikipedia page.

[A]

Okay, got it.

[B]

An American musician, poet and author.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He served in the Confederate State army as a private and worked on a blockade shipping ship. And then he was caught and imprisoned, resulting in him catching tuberculosis.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Shortly after the war, he taught school briefly, then moved to Montgomery, Alabama, where he worked as a night clerk at a hotel and began performing as a musician at the hotel.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He then gets married, moves back to his hometown, where he begins working at his father's law office, passes the Georgia bar, and then becomes a practicing lawyer for several years. During this period, he wrote a number of poems about poor white and black farmers during the Reconstruction South.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Then, like, the whole thing is like, he. He was always traveling, trying to find a cure. A cure for his tuberculosis. He suffered greatly with tuberculosis.

[A]

Yeah. And he got the tuberculosis in a prison camp.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which for those of you guys who don't know, you can take a look at Civil War era prison camps. Imagery looks the same as Holocaust imagery. Yeah. The amount that the. Especially from the north, they starved the prisoners. I mean, we're talking about people who look like skeletons with skin stretched across them. The conditions were horrific. It was just. They're. They're. It's horrifying. Yeah. Like, when the imagery that you see that out of those things. So, like, him catching tuberculosis is not shocking. It's also a thing to keep in mind, the reason Anne Frank died, and Frank died in the Holocaust, but she died of a curable disease that she caught in a camp.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's actually one of the fears that we've had, especially for the people living in Gaza, but also here in America right now, for the people who are being put in the current camps.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of whether or not they're getting the actual medical needs that they need covered. And oftentimes when we hear about these different things, it's like, are they able to get access to insulin? Are they able to get access to basic medical needs? Are they going to get a staph infection? Are they going to catch tuberculosis?

[B]

Is there clean water to wash your hands? Like, like what are the conditions? And we all know the conditions are bad. We all know they literally call it alligator Alcatraz. Yes. Like, we know that they're not taking care and they. They lack humanity. So, like that we know that they're not taking care of people.

[A]

Yeah. And so in this case, this guy.

[B]

So he gets tuberculosis. When he was captured, he had gone to Texas to try to. Again seeking out a cure for tuberculosis.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

While he was in Texas, he rediscovered. He had a self discovery phase, rediscovered his untutored talent for the flute. He's a flautist. And decided that he loved playing the flute so much, he was going to travel to the Northeast in hopes of finding employment as a musician in an orchestra. He couldn't find work in New York City, Philly or Boston, so he ended up getting a job at the Peabody Orchestra in Baltimore, Maryland. Okay. He taught himself musical notation and quickly rose to the position of first flautist.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And he was very famous in his day for doing a performance called Blackbirds, which mimics the sound of that species.

[A]

Okay. So he's playing like the. Sounds like he's a bird playing on the flute. Okay.

[B]

Later in his life. He's 39 years old. This is late in his life.

[A]

Late in his life. Well, with tuberculosis. Yeah. That's pretty late.

[B]

Yeah. So he became a lecturer and a faculty member at John Hopkins University in Baltimore, specializing in the works of English novelists, Shakespeare, Chaucer and other old English poets. He published books about the science. The science of. He had a theory that there's a connection between musical notation and the meter in poetry. So, like, the idea that, like, poetry is musical and using the meter process, like, he had this whole idea about it and he wrote books about it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[B]

So that's who this guy is. That's who Lanier is.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And the reason we know who Lanier is and the reason that so many schools, lakes, streets are named after him is because the United Daughters of the Confederacy worked really, really hard to enhance Linear's legacy.

[A]

Explain.

[B]

Okay, so I don't know a lot about the Daughters of the Confederacy. I know that they're part of the clan.

[A]

Right. They're adjacent.

[B]

They're adjacent to the clan.

[A]

The Daughters of the Confederacy are a group whose main job it was, was to make the Confederacy seem not that bad. Yeah, like, that was their whole thing. It's like my Daddy was in the Confederacy, and I know you Yankees around here saying that he did all this evil stuff about slavery, but actually it was about states rights. Actually was about this. Oh, look at the noble members of. This whole idea of the Lost Cause is a big part in Civil War reconstruction myths and all these different things. Eventually, when we get Birth of a Nation with the Klan, which was a movie by W.E.B. du Bois, which we talked about in a different episode, the George Dale episode, when eventually. Like this rewriting of the history.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which we're kind of seeing, like, right now. Right. Like, we're seeing this exact same thing happen right now. When you go to conservative circles and see how they talk about January 6th.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. We all watched it on TV. We all saw. It was an insurrection. We all saw a mob full of people who wanted to violently overthrow the government, attempt to do that and fail. Right. And now it's being rewritten of. Actually, they were being slowly pushed by secret FBI agents. Actually they were doing this thing. Actually, it was this other whole thing. And so they come in and they try to throw in and muddy the waters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they're always trying to look for, you know, these nobles who are just caught in this tragedy. It's a tragedy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They had to fight the war. It was inevitable. There was no way we couldn't fight the Civil War type of thing. A big one they love to point to is Robert E. Lee. Oh, my God. They love to say that, like, Robert E. Lee didn't fight on behalf of slavery. He fought on behalf of Virginia. Like, he fought on behalf of his people and all these different things. And it just so happened to be that his people love to enslave human beings and set up rape farms. Yeah. Like, that is like a thing that they. They also love to sprinkle in there.

[B]

And, like, they like to leave that part out.

[A]

They like to gloss all of that over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's. The Daughters of the Confederacy are there. And on top of that, they wouldn't get as much pushback because there were women.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

So there are women who could come in and say, actually, my daddy was a good man. And who's going to tell a woman with no voting rights back then.

[B]

Yeah. And that's what I. When I opened up his page and I started looking into him, I was like, oh, based on his bio, based on the things this man did and accomplished, I was like, I feel like he wouldn't want Confederate things named after him. Like, he. It feels like he's an artist. He's a guy who enjoys music and education and like, I don't know. But I also don't know the history of this person. And I also know that again, history is written by the victors and it's being written by the daughters of the Confederacy. So they're trying, like, he could have done these things, but also I can't trust that they're, they're not being like peppered up to make it seem like he was really great. Because they wanted names.

[A]

Yeah. They want, they want one of the good ones.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They want to make them one of the good ones and then point to him and say, you know, if they lied. If they. And by they, I mean the northerners. If northerners are lying to you about Sydney Lanier.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then what else are they lying about? Maybe actually Jefferson Davis was a good guy. You know what I mean? Like, this is the type of stuff.

[B]

That Jefferson Davis was not a good guy.

[A]

But one of the things that I want to point out is what they're doing is actually one of the reasons why I hate AI and especially Sora version 2 that's just dropped is they're taking a dead person and they're creating a whole new narrative around them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And much like a marionette puppet of a corpse, they're now play acting him and then putting him on everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I've. I talked about this on crashing out with Phil DeFranco last week. I saw so many videos of like Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah. Like being like Martin Luther King. I have a dream of a Jet2 holiday. Just like random like this where I, I saw so many images and videos and like, we don't know. We have a light bio of linear. We have a very, very light bio of him. So we can, we can say maybe he wasn't racist. But we also don't know.

[B]

We don't know.

[A]

He chose to, you know, he stayed in Alabama, he moved up to Baltimore, which Maryland still. I know now when people look at like down to about Virginia, you think of that as like the north and you think of that as like a separation. But like the Delaware was under military occupation by Abraham Lincoln because Delaware was a slave state. If you go to southern Delaware, which areas, which we go to often, there's a ton of Confederate flags.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's all these different.

[B]

That's not why we go there.

[A]

That's not why we go there. We go there for the beach there, for the gay beach and for the tax free shopping. But you have to drive past a lot of farms with Confederate flags on them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The same thing when you're on that peninsula of Maryland. Maryland was under military. Maryland was a slave state. The Mason Dixon line, which decided where slavery was. That line is the border of Maryland and Pennsylvania. Like, that's the line. That's why there's so many. When we talked. When we did the episode about. We're doing a lot of high ends. This one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the Harriet Tubman episode we did where we read the Bob's Drag Queens book and talked about those areas and then found out where she was born. That's in Maryland, on the peninsula that holds Delaware. When we talk about the Underground Railroad in general, there's so many spots that are, especially around this area of Pennsylvania we live in as a way to get even further north and that you'll find along this line because, like, that's where the line is. Like, we think of the south as Georgia. There's people I know who don't think of North Carolina as the south because it has north in it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, South Carolina was the first state to secede. Like, it goes as far west as Texas. But there were battles that were also fought in New Mexico and Arizona. Like, we. The. The. The history of slavery, especially, but also on the history of the Confederacy is so wide and covers such a bigger area. And for some of us, are thinking about a lot more this week because of the Supreme Court's movements of what they may be doing to the Voting Rights Act.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's a completely different story. But we're here to talk about, believe it or not, a lake.

[B]

This. Yeah, this started with a lake, and.

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[B]

Let's get back to Lake Shout out.

[A]

On the after party when you join us. Now tell me about this actual lake because we covered a lot about Sydney Lanier.

[B]

Yeah. Because again, this show, too many tabs. I opened a tab and then I'm like, who is this guy?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So the lake itself was built by the US Army Corps. Corps Corp. You're right.

[A]

I'm sorry. I know, I know. I didn't mean. I don't want to.

[B]

It's you're comments for correcting me.

[A]

Listen, they were already typing and I just wanted to hop in and now they're saying that I'm a bag of shit. Yeah, for overcorrecting.

[B]

Yeah, it's true.

[A]

And that's fine. I'll take either one. Engagement is engagement. As long as you give us five stars on Apple podcast.

[B]

Please, please. The construction of the lake destroyed more than 50,000 acres of farmland and displaced more than 250 families, 15 businesses and relocated 20 cemeteries and some of their remains. Okay, next. Next sentence.

[A]

They. Okay, hold on. Before you just go blasting past that one I'm blasting. Is this one of the ones where they move the tombstones but not the bodies? Like from Poltergeist? They move the tombstones but not the body. They didn't move the bodies. As they pop up through the pool.

[B]

Yeah. The. The lake itself is patrolled by the Georgia department of natural Resources as well as local law enforcement.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The states of Georgia, Alabama and Florida all have rights to the water in the reservoir as it be. Feeds the rivers that go into those areas.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

So we got three different states who have rights to the water in the area.

[A]

Got it. Because they built a dam. They were all These were coming to them anyway. And water rights in America are crazy. They're really nice.

[B]

We cannot talk about that because we will be here for hours.

[A]

I know. I just want to. I'm just putting a pin in that. Water rights in America are crazy if you're. And it's going to be even crazier when we start ripping up these data centers, baby.

[B]

So prior to groundbreaking of the reservoir in March of 1950.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Before that reservoir was made, there used to be a town there called Oscarville.

[A]

Oscarville.

[B]

Oscarville.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oscarville was formed in the 1800s during post war Reconstruction.

[A]

Uh oh.

[B]

Oscarville was a prosperous agricultural community. Though not all residents of Oscarville were black, the hugest percentage of the community were many of the residents.

[A]

So this is an integrated town that is mostly black and prosperous.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And a farm community. Many of these people are going to be freed slaves post reconstruction.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

During the rise of the clan. Okay.

[B]

Yep. Foreshadowing for sure.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So residents of the Oscarville achieved higher economic growth than other black communities. At the time. Many of Oscarville's black residents had been freed from slavery after fighting in the American Civil War. In 1911, Oscarville had approximately 1,100 residents, 58 of whom owned land. 109 residents rented farms, and many worked as craftsmen in nearby towns. And many residents worked in poultry and in the cotton fields. Fields.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Now poultry is a big deal there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the more that I like read into Oscarville, like when people inevitably leave, they go and they open poultry farms in other places. Like poultry is a big.

[A]

It's a big. There's a big chicken area.

[B]

Big chicken town.

[A]

Okay. Big chicken town. But also what you were saying before, though. So 58 people own land.

[B]

Big deal.

[A]

And there's a hundred families or 100 plus families or so that are renting.

[B]

Renting.

[A]

And there. It sounds like they're doing more than just sharecropping. Shopping.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It sounds like they're actually being able to make some profit and they're able to do other trades and things like that. So this is like, this is. This town is a success story.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

For what could and should have happened throughout the entire South.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Up until this point.

[B]

When they said Reconstruction. When they said Reconstruction, they were saying was going to happen. My eyes are rolling.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

In 1912, a woman claimed two black men had tried to sexually assault her.

[A]

There it is.

[B]

She claimed that she woke up in bed to find a black man in her bed beside her. But all the assailants were scared off by the arrival of her mother. Five black men were arrested in the county by the foursyth county sheriff. That's the county. It's in Forsyth County. In connection with the case, a local black preacher, his name was Grant Smith, made an appeal to the sheriff that fought that the five black men who had been tamed be. Had been detained should be released, claiming that there was not enough evidence in the case to charge all five men. Grant Smith also claimed that the woman may have been in a consensual relationship with one of the suspects and upon being caught by her mother, reported a crime. A defense known as, quote, the old thread bear lie. And this was often used by white women caught in relationships with black men.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Preacher Smith's comments about the woman enraged local white community so much that a mob surrounded Smith on the steps of the courthouse and beat him and horse whipped him. He sustained life threatening injuries, but did survive the attack. Yeah, that was so. Then only a few months later in September, another white woman was found beaten and sexually assaulted in the woods. She had been beaten badly with rocks and she actually died of her injuries. I think we can estimate how this went. Right. The common response to any violent attack on white women was to search nearby black communities for the alleged perpetrator. Yeah, Right.

[A]

So without any evidence.

[B]

No evidence.

[A]

It was just one of those ones where especially this happened. And this is not just a Southern story. Just so you know, in the United States, this sounds like we're heading towards a lynching. And this was. It's still common. How often have we had to heard this story over and over again without any evidence whatsoever with the automatic assumption, Listen, there's like a crazy story about Liam Neeson at one point. Like, and this is over in England.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like him, like randomly being like, I ran around looking for any black guy. He was like, what the fuck? Like, it's this weird like thing. Oh, yeah. How about Senator John Fetterman? Huh? Look up Senator John Fetterman. Shotgun. Google that one for a minute.

[B]

Well, at the end of the video. So the people on the scene, the people that said they were the searchers at the scene, her Name was May Crow, the woman that died.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

May Crow's body was found to have a small pocket mirror in her pocket.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it was alleged by the people at the scene of the crime that this mirror belonged to a young man named Ernest Knox, a 16 year old black child. Why he would own a small pocket mirror. Okay. So Knox is arrested at his house and is subjected to a mock lynching. And due to this, a confession was coerced violently out of him. A mob outside the jailhouse were formed outside the jailhouse where he was being detained. And in order to keep him alive until trial, he was covertly transported out the back door of the jail to a different jail in Atlanta.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Following the arrest of Knox, four other black residents were arrested as accomplices to the crime. The alleged accomplices were Knox's cousin, Oscar Daniel, age 18, Oscar Daniel's sister, Jane Daniel, age 22, Jane Daniel's husband, Rob Edwards, age 24, and another resident named Ed Collins. Rob Edwards, an Oscar Ville resident, was known as, quote, Big Rob for his distinctive large stature. While all accused were awaiting trial, a mob of approximately 20. I'm not 22, 000 white demons formed outside the. Actually, you know what, I'm not going to give them demon that, that takes away like it makes it so that, like it's like, you know what I mean? Like it takes away responsibility.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, they're white vigilantes.

[A]

No, they're not even vigilantes. These are, these are white psychopaths.

[B]

White psycho.

[A]

But like. No, not even that. No, you're right. You're completely right.

[B]

I don't want to rename it.

[A]

No, these are fucking. These are, these are just white people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's just 2,000 white people came together real fast. Just because you've covered so much. Okay. One thing that sticks out to me a lot and thinking the number five keeps coming back up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Repeatedly. And we've had this. Some of you may have heard of the Central park five, who were five men who were accused of assaulting a woman in Central park. And the President United States, the current President United States, took out an article in the New York Times, I believe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Stating that they should be executed. They've all since been exonerated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the first story in this was five men.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even though it was. They claimed initially it was two.

[B]

Even though there was one guy in there.

[A]

There was probably one person in there who ran out because she was having. She's having a relationship with a black.

[B]

Guy, sensual relationship with him.

[A]

And Then he runs away. The grandma mom immediately says it's two. That quickly spirals to five. The woman is, we have no idea who killed her and who assaulted her. Immediately they decide it's this one kid, therefore it must be four others. Because again, all of this is the. The. The protection of white women from their mental state. For these psychos who are doing the lynchings and all these different attacks and all these different things. Their idea is, look at me. I'm a big strong guy because I'm protecting. I'm showing, I'm flaring up, I'm peacocking that I can protect all the other white ladies. Look at me. Even though clearly couldn't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But on top of that, the, the lunacy in this is to then also then to say we can loop in any other member of the community.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's exactly what's happening right now with ICE across this nation. This is like the same exact fucking story is right now. You will see dhs, you'll see the. The White House press secretary and others. They will constantly. They love to put up a picture of a guy who's been. This is a guy who's sexually assaulted people. This is somebody who is a child molester. This is a drug dealer. These are all these different things. It's like, okay, sure. That one person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Nobody's arguing that that one person shouldn't be in jail or whatever. We should follow the law on how to handle that one person. It's the fact that you are running through CVS is tackling strangers.

[B]

Yeah. Kidnapping moms while they're dropping off their kindergarteners.

[A]

Yeah. And watching, like right now in the United States. I don't know how many of you noticed this, but when you're driving around, have you noticed that suddenly every groundskeeper is now wearing a mask? Have you noticed that every lawn care company is. Everyone is suddenly wearing the full sheisty mask, like pulled over. They look like ICE guys. The lawn care people are. Because they're hoping that white women won't notice that the lawn care guy for the fucking mall happens to be darkly tan.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's the same thing over and over again. What did the president, United States say before he was elected? One of the first statements that he gave back in 2015, he said that Mexico was sending rapists into this country. And the. The idea being that they were coming for our white women. And it's the same thing you're seeing from these groipers. It's the same thing you're seeing from all These fucking psychos all the way down. It's this idea that if, if they, whatever they is, it doesn't matter if they can get the white women, then that's going to end. White men because of one drop rule. It's another thing we don't talk about a lot in this country, but the one drop rule is this idea that if there's one drop of non white blood in you, then you're not white. It's why me as somebody who is half Jewish, depending on who I'm talking to, I'm either white or I'm not. Because there's some people who don't view Jews as white. There are other peoples who view Jews as white. That it depends on all these different things. And that's where we get into this whole mix. And this is where that fear, they play into it. And so these 2,000 people who are whipped up to a fervor to attack the, the people are already in jail, they're already going to face whatever, whatever trial, whatever, justice, the law, all these different things. And they go, that's not good enough. We need to show. We need to show for all of the people. And just remind everybody before we go back into this, this is not solely a southern story. There were lynchings in Pennsylvania. There were lynchings in Illinois and New York. And New York and other different places. Lynchings historically have always been used to keep minority populations, quote, in line, to keep them fearful, to make them know that if they get to a certain level, they can be all taken down a peg or two quickly and rapidly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is always the thought process of these psychos. This episode is about lakes also, I.

[B]

Think not to stay in this non lake discussion, but I mean, the lake is built on horror. So we have to talk about the harvest. Is that like the, the power again of white women tears? We talk about it a lot. Like it's always in the discourse online. Yeah, it's people make Tik Toks and Instagram reels and like white women peers and like people like mock it and they, they underplay how powerful a crime.

[A]

How many people are getting attacked or getting cops called on them for being not feminine enough in a women's bathroom. Yeah, right. And like, like that's the thing with trans women. Trans women just wanted to take a. Yeah, I want to take a. In a target. And some lady over there is like, I think that's that. I think that was. They were born a man. I think they were born with a penis.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, well, you might have Just picked a lady who didn't put on makeup that day, who honestly has been carrying her entire family on her back for the last three years. And she got a bad haircut.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like the amount of women who are just masculine or butch who are getting the now because they don't fit into a conform of femininity that is being pushed. Listen, this is about.

[B]

We gotta get back to the water.

[A]

And it was Oscarville, right?

[B]

Oscarville.

[A]

Oscar ville is where these people are from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

These five people who are now being surrounded by a lynch mob.

[B]

2000 white lynch mob.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

This forms outside of the county courthouse. A deputy attempts to prevent the mob from storming the courthouse.

[A]

One a deputy.

[B]

One. But the sheriff had gone home early that evening claiming he had no idea there was a growing mob. After gaining access to the cells, the mob beat Rob Edwards with crowbars and hung a noose around his neck. The mob then fatally shot Rob Edwards and dragged his body out of the jailhouse to the town square where he was hung from a telephone pole, drawing larger crowds.

[A]

If you're wondering what a lynch lab looks like, by the way, just look up any imagery of January 6th.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That is 100% when they're, they're running through, they're looking for specific people, they're screaming their names. They actually built a gallows in front of.

[B]

Yeah, they had a gallows. They had zip ties because they wanted to wrangle them.

[A]

Yeah. This was.

[B]

We all knew. What the fuck.

[A]

We all know. Exactly. Exactly.

[B]

At trial, 18 year old Oscar Daniel and 16 year old Ernest Knox were found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging, which was illegal under state law at the time as public executions were illegal. Sorry, I double ripped that. The judge, his name was Judge Morris, ordered that the hangings take place behind a blind so that people wouldn't witness it and therefore I guess negate the illegality of it all.

[A]

Got it. So he did the brown paper, the liquor bottle in a brown paper bag.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

The public drink. Just so you guys know, in some states it's illegal to be publicly drinking. And so the deal which you can see in the wire actually makes a big deal about this. They take, you take the fifth of liquor and you put it inside of a brown paper bag. And now the cops like, well, I can't tell exactly what he's drinking out of a brown paper bag. And so boom. So public execution. Oh yeah. Nobody could actually see it. Therefore it's not public.

[B]

Not public. The night before, the executionists arsonists burned the blind down, leaving the gallows untouched. The hangings of Oscar daniels and Ernest Knox drew large crowds, approximately 8,000 people. People. A piece of rope used in the hangings was kept in the minute book of court records until 1987, in which the. Officially, the rope went missing when civil rights protesters demanded it be removed. Yeah.

[A]

Was it being used as a bookmark? Yeah, till 1987.

[B]

Till 1987. When? So.

[A]

So when we were three years old. Yeah, when we were three. Three years old. They took the hanging rope out of the book.

[B]

Somebody made it go missing. No one acknowledges what happened to it. Yep.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So starting the day of May crow's funeral, groups of white individuals calling themselves, quote, the night riders carried out group attacks where whites on horseback would use the COVID of night to descend on black communities with the intention of inflicting property damage, injury and violence to all black residents. They firebombed the local church. How Christian. Many of the knight riders chose arson. They always committed arson.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The attacks happened regularly for several months, Daily, weekly. Always. Many, many residents of oscarville died in these attacks. Because of the danger and instability caused by these night riders, most of the black residents of oscarville left. Left. Within a few years, 98% of the black residents of oscarville had left or had been killed for refusing to leave. Because of the urgency of this situation, black landowners attempting to leave often had no choice but to sell their land at prices far below the lands was worth and far below what they themselves paid for the land. Other families were unable to sell their property at all before leaving because they were in too much imminent danger. Many times after a black family fled, any property they had left behind would be destroyed and all livestock killed. White residents would later take advantage of adverse possession laws intended to make better use of abandoned land to take possession of the land behind the black residents back without having to pay any previous. Any previous owners for it.

[A]

So they just stole the land?

[B]

They stole the land.

[A]

So they stole the land or they ripped them off completely if they could get. Get any money for it?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So they. Most of these farmers had to leave at a loss.

[B]

Yes, absolutely. As of 2022, efforts by Forsyth county, again, that's where oscarville was located in Forsyth county. Forsyth county. Efforts of forsyth county to teach the story of oscarville had been led by loud resistance and people being critical of the efforts in teaching, quote, critical race theory.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So right here, I have taught all listeners critical race theory.

[A]

You guys just got hit.

[B]

We're breaking the law. Okay, I. You can't teach the story Of Oscarville, in the land where Oscarville used to be.

[A]

We can't talk about lake Lanier without acknowledging the fact that many people died and had their land stolen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To be able to make lake Lanier.

[B]

Because they want you to talk about Lanier. The poet. Yes, they want you to talk about the poet. The confederate poet.

[A]

Well, and this is exactly we were talking about earlier with the daughters of the confederacy. This is that idea of.

[B]

And.

[A]

And a big thing that we've heard over the last few years, Especially when it came to anything about dei, Especially when it's come to a lot of different stuff. If you talk about this, it's going to make my kid feel bad about what his pop up did.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Well, okay, yeah. This is part of.

[B]

I feel bad about stuff my pop up did.

[A]

Part of truth and reconciliation is learning the truth and then reconciling with that and then making sure you don't do it again. Because right now, as we keep putting these parallels back and forth of what's happening today and what's happening then, the reason why those parallels exist is because you're not teaching people in the middle. This is about lakes.

[B]

This is about lakes. So local legend alleges the lake's haunted. I bet it is.

[A]

I bet it.

[B]

The.

[A]

Can I hit it with a little haunting real fast?

[B]

Yeah, go ahead.

[A]

That's the cackle of white women tears. That's. That you got, everybody.

[B]

Do you think there could be angry tormented spirits here?

[A]

I think there might be.

[B]

Could be.

[A]

I think. I think this is haunted. This is a haunted lake.

[B]

Yeah. One commonly claimed reason for the supposed hauntings is the high number of drowning deaths. There were over 500 deaths between the lake's formation in 2021. One reason being there's so much underwater debris. There's trees and buildings down there because all of those abandoned structures at Oscarville were not demolished before the flooding. So if you get in this water, you could get your foot trapped on the roof of a building. You know what I mean?

[A]

Got it. So there's. There's debris. There's all these different things. Oh, this is like the. The. Oh, brother. We're out there.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, you guys haven't seen the movie oh, brother where art. That was George Clooney first. Great movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Awesome soundtrack. Yeah. Very much covers a lot of what we were just covering here, Including a lynching and the clan and all this other different stuff in that. There is a. There is a. It was because of the Tennessee valley association and a few other different things. A Lot of these. A lot of the reservoirs and man made lakes we have in the United States were authored by FDR under new deal plans to do infrastructure builds all across America. And a big thing with the reservoirs and dams and all these different things were to build electricity. And it was a lot of big money government spending, especially in the 30s, 40s, and some of that even carried into the 50s. But there's a very common story of them when they built these lands and built these dams. There's a town here. All right, well, they get everybody out. So some people, they're white, they paid them. If they're black, they obviously chase them out all these different things. And so they built the dam and then one day they open the floodgates to flood the valley to make these things. And they didn't often didn't clear it out. And so there's a whole scene in oh Brother, art thou where they're fleeing floodwaters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, brother. Wow. Also is like the story of the Odyssey at the same time. It's really good metaphor. It's a really good movie. It's. It's.

[B]

It's a good movie.

[A]

It's up there. For me, it's one of those ones where like, if I'm flipping through the channels, I stop on TNT and oh, brother, art that was on.

[B]

He's gonna make a bag of popcorn.

[A]

No, not back of popcorn, but you're gonna get me for at least two commercial breaks.

[B]

See, I would sit down, I'd get a chili.

[A]

No, no, I'll get in it. But I'm not. I'm not making.

[B]

I'd make it a day.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

Okay. Another commonly cited reason for the supposed lake haunting is that several cemeteries were not relocated before flooding.

[A]

They. Yep, there we go.

[B]

Also, hear me out. Let's say that we have the cemeteries and then we have. Instead of it being like, in my mind, somebody's foot gets caught on the. The roof of a house while they're swimming in this lake or whatever. I think there are angry ghosts drowning people in there. And I'm not mad at them, honestly. I'm on the ghost side at this point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you're an angry ghost living in Lake Lanier and you're drowning people. All right, Okay.

[A]

I would make.

[B]

On your side.

[A]

Listen, I'm just saying, if you're a white person, don't swim in this lake. No, I would just say. Because that's a justified. Yeah, it's a justified haunt.

[B]

When your pontoon boat goes down. I'm Gonna be like, yeah, yeah, about right.

[A]

Okay. Shouldn't have been. You should have been listening to Kid Rock on a pontoon boat in Lake Lanier. Drinking. Yeah. Drinking Bud Light limes. No, that's fucking crazy.

[B]

But I hope the ghost get you. I hope that goes.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Current day at Lake Lanier, Georgia. Like I said earlier, Georgia, Alabama and Florida all have rights to the water.

[A]

In the haunted, racist water.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I don't know if you've heard there's a thing called global warming. Kind of touched on a little when we were talking about Captain Planet and data centers. And data centers. And like the global warming, the water is, you know, drying up a bit. And so the people that get the water from this area have been suing each other.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. So the three states are constantly suing each other about who's overusing water.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And at the end of the day, they all keep suing Georgia, specifically Atlanta, saying that Atlanta doesn't have the right to the drinking water.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Can you imagine why they would think that Atlanta doesn't deserve the.

[A]

What is so different about Atlanta than the rest of the rural and suburban areas of Georgia that would make Alabama the state of Georgia and Florida, not specifically like Atlanta. I'm going to go with. Can I get. I'm going to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Strip club breakfast buffets.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

They don't want the water of Lake Lanier to be used for the. To fill the pan.

[B]

The basin.

[A]

The basin.

[B]

The basin. And light the sternos.

[A]

Light the sternos to heat the water. Yeah, they don't want that. To keep the warm in the delicious Atlanta strip club buffet. I've never been. Oh, someday I will go.

[B]

We'll go. We'll go.

[A]

Yeah, no, we'll go.

[B]

It'll be a family trip.

[A]

We'll find a gluten free Atlanta strip club buffet. Because that was when I was growing up and I watched real sex on hbo.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was always. They would like, all right, we're doing a strip club competition like here in Atlanta. And there was always like a guy at a buffet.

[B]

I'm like, got good buffets, good food.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So here's the thing. And that's, that's why they're always suing Atlanta, trying to get Atlanta to not be allowed to use the water. But I think this is. I, I didn't get any proof on this, but I just did start just writing notes about it in the fact that all of the other areas of Georgia, Alabama and Florida that are getting this water are all suburban. Right. There's a lot of farmland and there's a lot of suburban.

[A]

And golf courses.

[B]

And golf courses.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I just specifically started writing notes to myself about how the shitty suburban lawns are probably the reason, because we in America love to have little lawns, little lawns everywhere. But we're pretending we're French aristocracy and we're watering these lawns. A lawn was invented in 17th century France by European nobility at the palace of Versailles to just show that you're so rich, you're such a wealthy landowner that you could afford to have green carpets of non productive aesthetic plants. Lawns are useless. They just absorb water and leach chemicals into our groundwater. We need to stop having lawns. I yell about it all the time without a microphone in front of me. But when I was like reading all of this about how these three states keeps. Well, not Georgia doesn't sue themselves, but the fact that Alabama and Florida keep. Keep suing Atlanta. Being like, you guys are the ones using all the water. And I'm like, you got 4 million lawns. What are you talking about?

[A]

Yeah. The people of Atlanta are just trying to drink water.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's all they're trying to do. They're like, I need to. I need to wash my clothes and drink water. And meanwhile, it's just some fat. Standing outside in Florida.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With it on the shower setting on his hose, trying to spray down rocks.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And being like, why aren't things growing anyway? That's a terrible retirement. So we have one more.

[B]

One more. Like, can you even imagine?

[A]

I can't imagine.

[B]

I think we need to get on our little winter coats. We need to leave Georgia and we're gonna go to Minnesota and Wisconsin and Ontario.

[A]

I have a feeling that this lake is going to be great. Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.

[B]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?

[A]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you teach me. So, Dana.

[B]

Oh, no, I'm not really prepared.

[A]

I couldn't possibly at T Mobile get.

[B]

The new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[A]

Wow, impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.

[B]

Nice. Jeffrey, you heard them.

[A]

T Mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible traded in any condition. So what are we having for lunch?

[B]

Dude, my work here is done.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, we're going to the Superior Lake. Lake Superior.

[A]

Boo. Boo.

[B]

Why are you booing it?

[A]

Boo.

[B]

Don't boo it.

[A]

Boo. No, I.

[B]

A nice lake.

[A]

I don't give a. I hate that. It. It feels that it's better than all the other lakes.

[B]

Oh, come on.

[A]

I'm not going to. Come on.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

No, no, no, no. Pennsylvania has. We touch one Great Lake lake, and that woman's labeled eerie. Yeah, and you don't even have it on your list of spooky lakes. It's literally an eerie lake. Nope, it's Lake Erie with Eerie, Pennsylvania. The whole thing is eerie. No, you could have called this three eerie lakes.

[B]

I didn't.

[A]

And you didn't. You went with spooky.

[B]

I did.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Okay, so Lake Superior straddles Canada and the United States. It's, like right at Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Ontario. Right. And it's the third largest freshwater lake on earth by volume.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

There. There's a southern shore called Whitefish Point, which is also known as the graveyard of the Great Lakes. More ships have been lost around the Whitefish Point area than any other part of Lake Superior. These shipwrecks are now protected by the Whitefish Point underwater preserve, so they're actually preserved areas that you can visit.

[A]

Is this where the Edmund Fitzgerald went down?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, okay. All right, so after this episode, for all the listeners out there, I'll put on Edmund Fitzgerald. Yeah, we can't play it. We can't. We can't afford it.

[B]

We can. We can't get those.

[A]

If we could afford it. If more people. Join [e-mail] join the Patreon.

[B]

So we can afford that.

[A]

Yeah. Someday.

[B]

Someday, maybe we're gonna get Mr. Beast number.

[A]

We're never getting Mr. Beast.

[B]

Look, look. Look into the camera. No soul in your eyes.

[A]

Oh, okay. Ready?

[B]

Okay, go ahead. We got to give him Mr. Beast.

[A]

This. This is how Mr. Beast would do Lake Superior.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

We've got 15 people on a boat, all of which whose moms need critical Breast cancer surgery. And we're going to see if they can survive traveling through.

[B]

What's the point Called the white point. Is that what I said?

[A]

No.

[B]

White fish point.

[A]

The white fish point At Lake Superior in the middle of a torrential storm. We've just disconnected their radio, but left on the wi fi cameras. Let's all find out together. This episode has been brought to you by Walmart, where you can get. Mr. Beast Labs. Mr. Beast Labs. We're training children to really want to do surprise boxes because we figured out how to make kids gamble.

[B]

Yeah. And somehow that is better than what we do. According to the algorithm. Love that. On a snowy November evening in 1902, the SS Bannockburn vanished on Lake Superior with its crew of 21.

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Okay.

[B]

The wreck and crew have never been recovered, though. Since that fateful day, this steamship acquired quite a reputation. An apparition of this ghost ship would often be seen during icy Lake Superior storms by many sailors. Some even claim to see the skeletons on deck. It became known as the Flying Dutchman of the Great Lake.

[A]

Ah. For those you've ever been to the Pirates of the Caribbean.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That's the ghost ship.

[B]

Ghost ship.

[A]

The Flying Dutchman is one that's been seen all around the world.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They always claim that this is. Oh, it's a spooky ship full of skeletons.

[B]

Spooky ship.

[A]

Oh, spooky.

[B]

Spooky skeleton.

[A]

Especially in a storm. A storm that sounds like this.

[B]

He made one sound effect.

[A]

Well, you know what's great crazy is we've already recorded our Halloween special. Yeah, we have. His name was Dusk is on next week and we do a whole episode where we play a tabletop rpg and it's a very fun time. And. But that was recorded before I made that sound effect, which I would have heavily used.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the edit of the new episode, but it's already done.

[B]

Let me really quick show you some videos because, like, I. I understand we're talking about these. These boats are sinking. They're. It's a dangerous water. And you were saying earlier that you think that lakes are still water, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And the thing about Lake Superior is that she. She is not still. Okay. She is oceanic. These are some waves from Lake Superior. This is what the boats are up against.

[A]

That is some crashing waves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I'll give you that. That is some crashing waves of Lake Superior.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I can see the. I can see the coast trapped coast in the background.

[B]

So it's incredibly dangerous. This water is. Is very ocean. Like the way you See it. It's very.

[A]

I'll give you that. It's okay. Real fast. A great lake is a little bit different than a regular lake. I don't like lakes in the middle of the woods.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't like coming across a lake in the middle of the woods and just being like, well, now what?

[B]

You get in it. Now dip your toes in.

[A]

No, Absolutely no. That's where that. That's.

[B]

That's where the creatures put your feet in.

[A]

They gotta tell you in the ocean.

[B]

Make a friend.

[A]

Can I tell you, in the ocean they have fish, they have aquatic life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In lakes they have creatures.

[B]

Okay, let's see. The SS Hudson sank in September 16th of 1901 near. Oh, my God. Kuana Point. I'm sorry. It is believed that that is not.

[A]

What that says at all.

[B]

Coup.

[A]

No key.

[B]

You think that's key?

[A]

I think it's Kiwi na.

[B]

Kiwi na?

[A]

Yeah. You're. You're doing K, E W E E N a W. Okay. Right. I'm going to hit delete. Go, go. Backspace. I. You're putting the space after the W. I'm putting the space before the W. I think it's Kiwi na.

[B]

Okay. I mean, you're probably right.

[A]

I'm probably not. Because as we've learned, anything in this area of the world, we mess up brutally pronounced.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

The only thing I think I can pronounce, especially that's around Michigan, is like, Ann Arbor. Yeah. I think I say Detroit. Wrong.

[B]

Yeah. It is believed that it capsized and succumbed to enormous gale. Around 40 years later, as the story goes, a tugboat captain and his mate came upon what looked like the Hudson. Rusted and covered in brown sludge. It appeared to be coming straight for them.

[A]

Whoa. It's coming straight at us.

[B]

Us.

[A]

Get your guns.

[B]

When it came close enough, the captain boarded the ship to see if it was in distress. He was met by apparitions of the crew explaining that they were damned for eternity to relive the sinking of their ship every year on the day it went down.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Go ship. Go ship. Go for.

[A]

Why? Why are they damned?

[B]

Why they be damned?

[A]

Is it because of sodomy?

[B]

I. What?

[A]

I'm just saying. Oh.

[B]

Let's talk about the SS Edmund Fitzgerald.

[A]

It's crazy, though, that they have all these, like. They're like, oh, my God. Here we are, Lake Superior. Oh, my God. It's so. It's so haunted and spooky and weird and meanwhile, down in Georgia, like, stop telling people to not swim in Our lake, our racist lake is doing great. Everybody should move here.

[B]

Nope. The SS Edmonds Fitzgerald was the last ship that sank in Lake Superior. Oh, the white. It sank at Whitefish Point in a storm on November 10th in 1975. Wreck was immortalized by Gordon Lightfoot in his ballad the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. All 29 crew members died and no bodies were recovered.

[A]

The nobody's getting recovered thing is crazy.

[B]

We're gonna get into that.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Edmund Fitzgerald. The ship was battered so intensely by Lake superior that the 729 foot ship was split in half. Okay. That's how crazy these waves are.

[A]

Snapped it like a twig.

[B]

Yeah. Her two pieces lie approximately 170ft apart at depths of 530ft, which is 88 fathoms. Wait, guess what? Me Googling. What the. Is a fathom?

[A]

Yeah. Wait, hold on. So 530fathoms and they're like, that's crazy deep. But the other, the Russian Lake is 5,000ft. Okay. Yeah, I just. I'm just.

[B]

Okay. So in the Lightfoot song song he says, quote, the lake, it is said, never gives up her dead.

[A]

Like this. He goes. The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead. I love a she, a sea shanty.

[B]

I love a seashell.

[A]

I love. There was a little bit there where I got super into it.

[B]

Yeah. I think a lot of people did. They trended.

[A]

Yeah. But I. I came late. I was like after Tick Tock got over it because there's a lot of people doing like the Tick Tock sea shanties there for a little bit.

[B]

It.

[A]

And then there was one day I was listening to a lot of folk punk music as one does folk music. And it hit me with a guy who does a lot of like, I think it's Newfoundland, like Canadian songs, but it's all about Nova Scotia and stuff. And. But it was a lot of like wives on that. The widows.

[B]

Is it Widows longingly standing out, staring off.

[A]

Oh my Johnny will come back to me as the wind blows in. And he never does. He's been dead. He's been dead the whole time. Get piped by a new guy.

[B]

Whoa. Okay, so when.

[A]

If I. When I die at sea.

[B]

Yeah. Please don't say don't get this recorded.

[A]

I'm not getting everybody. I'm just saying move on.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Okay. Leave my chair empty on the podcast forever though.

[B]

I'm not allowed to interview other people.

[A]

No, no, you can. You. No, no, you can interview other people, but I still have to have an empty chair and at my funeral.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Please wear white and have sparklers go off.

[B]

Okay, wait a minute. I think I know what you're just describing.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm describing Goldberg's entrance for WCW is what I'm fucking describing.

[B]

A white suit was a crazy choice. Not even wearing black.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

Wild choice.

[A]

Like you're supposed to be traditional.

[B]

Yeah. And she's wearing pants. Huh? Traditional tradition pants.

[A]

Wow. We put this deep in the episode. Wow.

[B]

Okay, so, okay, so he's singing. The lake, it is said, never gives up their dead. And this is because the cold water, which is under 35 degrees Fahrenheit.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. So they have the cold water, but the lake also doesn't have the right type of bacteria that would actually kind of help decompose a body. And so because of that, the bodies don't decompose and they don't bloat with gas appropriately, and they don't float to the surface for many, many, many, many days. And so it's actually reported that very often their bodies will just be floating next to the shipwreck without decomposing for quite a long time.

[A]

When you say floating next to the shipwreck, you mean at the bottom of the lake floor at, like, in stasis, but, like, just next to it?

[B]

Yeah. Or like, trapped in, like, a window?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's horrific. And Nemo's with them.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Oh, Finding Dory shows up. No, that's terrifying.

[B]

So, yeah, there's. This really came to a head. It was a weird way to say it. There was another ship that sank. It was called The Kamloops. The SS Kamloops rests more than 260ft deep at the bottom of the lake. The Kamloop sank in 1927, and she wasn't seen again until she was discovered by divers in 1977, where, when they were down there exploring, they discovered the conserved remains of an unidentified crew member floating throughout the engine room. The lone soul appears to be white and waxy. And they named him Old Whitey. And he's just floating in his watery grave. Again, because they're not decomposing properly because they're at that. They're at the same temperature that a morgue keeps a body.

[A]

Body. Yeah. Yeah. But they're basically. If anyone's ever been to a museum that has anything that's kind of like preserved in formaldehyde.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That weird sort of look. So we have here in the Philadelphia area, it's called the Muter museum.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's a medical oddities museum. But like, if you go in there, they'll have like a hand just floating in a jar. And like, that hand is from like 1890.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it. Now, obviously there's all the chemicals and stuff like that. That. But it's that sort of same thing too. It's like just when the water beak seeping in through the skin, it gives it that bloat. But it's not the natural bloat of deep. The decomposition that we're used to up here on the surface world.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Instead, it's down there. It's not even a briny deep because it's fresh water.

[B]

It's fresh water.

[A]

It's the kingdom. It's the kingdom of the nessie.

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Let me show you this video. This is from Kamloops. A diver took this video.

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Okay.

[B]

So this quick video shows what it looks like when a diver's down there in the C rail.

[A]

It looks. It looks very. It looks very. I'm just gonna describe it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Keep. Let it roll. So it.

[B]

I know you need to see because that's Old Whitey.

[A]

Oh, that's Old Whitey.

[B]

That's his.

[A]

So hold on real fast for the audio listeners. What I'm looking at right now is it's. Everything is kind of rusted and it has that. That, like, barnacle look on it of, like, things hanging off. We definitely feel like we're underwater. Old Whitey, he looks almost calcified.

[B]

Yeah. So whoever took this video 11 years.

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Ago, Doug Bell, is this he? We'll link to it down in the description. He.

[B]

What's it called? He. He aimed the camera in a way where we're not seeing Old Whitey's face, which is nice.

[A]

It's nice. But we can see that those are.

[B]

Those are his feet. Yeah, that's his legs and his feet right there. So he's just in. He's like slowly. Slowly decomposing. And I think that this is why people think that Lake Superior is haunted. Number one. It's so angry. The waves are so scary. It's so cold. But also, if you're underwater, there could just be a floating corpse.

[A]

Yeah. And it's not like a skeleton. It's not like a part. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It. You're like. That's just a person who's been here for a while.

[B]

While.

[A]

And you know what it feels like in Pirates of the Caribbean. Not to bring it back to that all the time, but, like, when you meet Someone. Not the squid face guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Other people that have been down there, they had that similar kind of look to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of like again that calcification of the calcium buildup. The different like ways of loads and they. We're used to being like, oh, someone's been dead a very long time. They should be skeletal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's not skeletal.

[B]

No.

[A]

The clothes are still intact. His boots are still intact. Like that's crazy.

[B]

His vest is still on.

[A]

Those should all will rot and melt away. So that's. That's wild.

[B]

Like spirit doesn't give up her dead.

[A]

You know, you should have opened this. Be like, do you want to see a dead body? No. That's how this should have opened.

[B]

So listen, those are my three lakes.

[A]

Those are your three legs.

[B]

That's the three legs. What do you think? What are we doing? What are we thinking about these three lakes?

[A]

Well, okay, I have to rank them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Number three is going to be Lake Superior.

[B]

Okay. Number three.

[A]

Number three.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then we're going to battle for the top.

[B]

The top.

[A]

I'm going to tell you because they're different things.

[B]

Yeah. It's either the Siberian. The oldest 30 million year old lake in the world.

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That's the deepest as well.

[B]

That's the deepest as well.

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That I believe is probably haunted by cosmic level horrors.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think it's Cthulhu level.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think we're dealing with the abyss there. It's aliens. Alien Earth type of feel there. It's a different type of haunting. Yeah, I. But. But also the horrors of the people freezing on it and then melting in.

[B]

Yeah. Like you know what it is? Like that. Remember that game don't break the ice where you like tap it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you have like a person on the middle of the ice and.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you.

[A]

Oh, you. The reason I don't walk on frozen lakes.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Okay. The exact reason I don't walk on frozen lakes. Oh, yeah. Let's make a kids game out of how you can die.

[B]

That was my favorite game.

[A]

Why don't we play a game called why don't we play a game called quicksand and find dad's gun.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

What?

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

That's what the kids play, right? Brought to you by Milton. Dad, Bradley, find dad's gun and point it at your friend.

[B]

What? I'm gonna have to cut that.

[A]

What? We'll leave it in. It's a.

[B]

It's a.

[A]

It's a parody of a thing.

[B]

It's a joke.

[A]

It's a joke.

[B]

Comedy podcast.

[A]

Comedy Podcast.

[B]

Comedy history podcast.

[A]

Anyway, I will go with. I'm gonna go with Russia as two, mainly because.

[B]

Whoa. Mainly you're giving Lanier one.

[A]

Yes. Because there's more people. There's more people that can haunt. And also it's a horrific story. I think it should be known by more people that this. They didn't move the graves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think it fits. More of the haunting side. Let's look at the difference. Russia, we have, you know, you got the dead divers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You got probably aliens. You got probably a Nessie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You got the people freezing while running across it. You got colonialism. You got all those different things. Yeah. However, none of that seems spookier than just being in Siberia.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think Siberia as a whole is its own level of spooky.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

I'm gonna give them that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's its own level of spook. Okay. I think when we get down to Georgia, you had the opportunity of a place that could have been an example of what could have been. We saw integration. We saw. Saw people thriving post slavery. We saw all these different things of. And then, like the turn of that and the nightmare of what that land turns into. We don't even know what. What was happening there from our research. From your research, at least before it was settled by these people. We don't know about, you know, who. Who were the original natives that were in the area. What did that kind of look like or any deeper story there? Right. So we're missing a lot there. But the idea that all of this was just one day, a piece of paper said, we'll get rid of that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they're still fighting over. Even after all of these years, these white devils are still fighting over the water rights from this lake. And then still trying to steal it from black people is like an even extra level of, like, horror. Scary.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That I see in there. And that. You know the history of lynchings, the history of the decimation of the land, all this different stuff that's mixed in there. Plus 500 people having drowned in there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From 1950 to 2021. And then on top of that, the COVID up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, listen, you want to throw in. You want to throw in a real horror story, Sprinkle a little cover up on top of it, because that way it keeps eating more of our children. You know what I mean? Like, there's that extra level to it. So I'm going to give Lake Lanier my number one spooky lake. And I'm going To give Lake Superior the bottom of the list. Mainly because you, for calling yourself Superior. How dare you. There are other lakes just as equal, if not better than you. Lake Superior. So how dare you think you're ever gonna become number one? Oh, look how many songs we have. Who? Our Bodies don't decompose. Well, are you eerie? Get eerie with it. All right. Someday I'm gonna. I've never been to Lake Erie.

[B]

You've never been to Lake Erie?

[A]

Have you ever been?

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've never been.

[B]

I've been to quite a few.

[A]

I looked it up. It's like a six hour drive.

[B]

Yeah, we can do it.

[A]

I. I try to figure out, like, how to fly there. I think.

[B]

No, we just could rent an RV and take a road trip.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Road trip in an rv.

[A]

We could. It's a possibility.

[B]

We could record a podcast from the rv.

[A]

We could record a podcast.

[B]

Wouldn't that be fun?

[A]

That would be fun.

[B]

The WI fi is not gonna work.

[A]

No, it won't. All right. Well, Mrs. P, this has been a fun episode.

[B]

It's been a. I don't. Fun in different ways, but also horrifying in different ways.

[A]

I'm gonna tell you, we opened up a lot of tabs on this one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we talked about a lot of different plot points and a lot of different fun things. So with that, Mrs. P, I want to say thank you to all of our listeners. Thank you to everybody who's joined us at Patreon. Thank you to all of our YouTube followers, subscribers. Hit the like subscribe comment. Five stars. Five stars. Five stars. Follow us on everything and especially find Mrs. P's YouTube channel. Thank you guys so much. Any closing words for us, Mrs. Pig?

[B]

Have a great week, everybody.

[A]

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