How to Challenge Extremism: Lessons from George Dale | Too Many Tabs Podcast 3.11

Summary

Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500 Episode: How to Challenge Extremism: Lessons from George Dale | Too Many Tabs Podcast 3.11 Release Date: March 9, 2025

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Introduction

In episode 3.11 of Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500, host Pearlmania500 delves into the inspiring story of George Dale, a newspaper publisher in 1920s Indiana who courageously stood up against the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). This episode explores the historical context of the Klan's influence, Dale's relentless fight against extremism, and the enduring lessons that can be applied to today's societal challenges.

Understanding the Ku Klux Klan: Three Waves of Extremism

The podcast begins with an overview of the Klan's history, segmented into three distinct waves:

1. First Wave (1865-1877):

   • Origins: Born out of Confederate veterans post-Civil War.
   • Activities: Utilized terrorism to intimidate Black populations and disrupt Republican voting.
   • Suppression: The U.S. government enacted the Ku Klux Klan Act (part of the Enforcement Acts of 1870-1871) to combat Klan violence, leading to their decline post the Compromise of 1877 which ended Reconstruction.

2. Second Wave (1915-1940):

   • Revival: Refounded at Stone Mountain, Georgia.
   • Expansion: Grew to an estimated 3-8 million members nationwide by the mid-1920s.
   • Public Relations: Employed modern PR tactics, including paid recruiters (Kleagles) and mass parades promoting the slogan "America First".
   • Legislation: Influenced the Immigration Act of 1924, enforcing racial and ethnic quotas.
   • Decline: Internal conflicts, financial scandals, and the rise of European fascism led to their eventual downfall by the 1940s.

3. Third Wave (1950s-1970s):

   • Focus: Opposed desegregation and the Civil Rights Movement.
   • Public Perception: Faced significant pushback due to negative media portrayal and societal changes, contributing to their waning influence by the 1990s.

4. Fourth Wave (2000s-Present):

   • Modern Adaptation: Transformed into an Internet-based movement, infiltrating various online niches.
   • Tactics: Mimics second-wave recruitment strategies by utilizing social media platforms, digital content creation, and MLM-like structures to expand influence.
   • Challenges: Increased visibility and counter-efforts through online communities aiming to expose and dismantle extremist ideologies.

Notable Quote:

"Every time the Clan rises, Sky is right there to fight back. I."
— Husband [06:23]

George Dale: A Crusader Against the Klan

George Dale, originally from Virginia, became a pivotal figure in challenging the Klan's dominance in Indiana. His journey is marked by resilience, strategic action, and unwavering commitment to justice.

Early Life and Career

• Background: Born in 1867, Dale was the son of an attorney and ventured into journalism.
• Prohibition Crusade: Published the Journal, advocating against saloons and liquor, leading to the successful implementation of Prohibition in his area.

Notable Quote:

"But on the other side of it was. I read an article."
— Husband [04:03]

Confrontation with the Klan

• Relocation: Moved to Muncie, Indiana, in 1920, where he founded the Post Democrat newspaper.
• KKK Resistance: Utilized his newspaper to openly denounce the Klan, exposing members and criticizing their hypocrisy.
• Targeted Attacks: Faced violent reprisals, including an attack on his home in 1922 where he defended himself by shooting an assailant. Despite constant legal battles and false charges orchestrated by Klan-affiliated figures, Dale remained steadfast.

Notable Quote:

"May God have mercy on your soul. They'll use the thumbscrew and the rack, Put tar and feathers on your back if you ever fail to bow the knee and speak up like a man."
— Husband [15:50]

Legal Struggles and Triumph

• False Accusations: Allegedly framed for liquor possession and other charges to undermine his anti-Klan efforts.
• Judicial Corruption: Faced biases from Klan-aligned officials, including Judge Clarence Dearth.
• Pardoning: Ultimately, Franklin D. Roosevelt pardoned Dale in 1933, recognizing his unjust treatment.

Notable Quote:

"If you're so proud of it, pull up your fucking hood."
— Husband [54:14]

Political Victory and Legacy

• Election as Mayor: In 1929, Dale was elected mayor of Muncie, taking immediate action by firing the entire police force due to corruption and Klan influence.
• Continued Activism: Post-mayoral tenure, Dale continued his fight against the Klan through journalism until his death, leaving behind a legacy of courage and integrity.

Notable Quote:

"George Dale becomes committed to revealing the identities for all members of the clan."
— Husband [45:30]

Lessons from George Dale's Battle Against Extremism

1. Persistence:

   • Dale's unwavering dedication, even in the face of violence and legal battles, underscores the importance of relentless effort in combating extremism.

2. Strategic Use of Media:

   • Leveraging his newspaper, Dale effectively exposed Klan members and their activities, demonstrating the power of the press in social justice movements.

3. Community Support:

   • The support from his subscribers and the local community played a crucial role in sustaining his fight against the Klan, highlighting the value of collective action.

4. Resilience Against Adversity:

   • Dale's ability to withstand personal attacks and systemic corruption exemplifies the resilience needed to challenge entrenched extremist organizations.

Notable Quote:

"Because we have to go look back and we. And the thing I want to point out to everyone is that a lot of this research was done through a local library and through the help of librarians."
— Husband [94:20]

Relevance to Modern-Day Extremism

The episode draws parallels between Dale's era and today's landscape, emphasizing that extremism adapts but can be challenged through:

• Awareness and Education: Understanding historical contexts helps in recognizing and addressing modern extremist tactics.
• Media Literacy: Encouraging critical consumption of information to combat misinformation and propaganda.
• Community Engagement: Strengthening local communities to resist divisive ideologies through solidarity and support networks.

Notable Quote:

"We have been starting to realize that, like, we've been through all of this before as Americans. As Americans. As Americans."
— Husband [94:38]

Conclusion

Too Many Tabs’ episode 3.11 serves as a powerful reminder of the enduring struggle against extremism. Through the story of George Dale, listeners gain valuable insights into effective strategies for challenging hate groups and fostering a more inclusive and just society. The podcast underscores the importance of historical awareness, media engagement, and community resilience in overcoming contemporary challenges.

Notable Quote:

"Double check and we are starting to feel like we've got too many tabs."
— Husband [01:30]

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References:

• George R. Dale Scrapbook: Comprehensive collection of newspaper clippings and historical documents on George Dale's fight against the Klan.

Support the Podcast: Thank you to our Patreon members for making this deep dive into history possible. Special thanks to Sad Beige for her meticulous research.

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Transcript

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[Husband]

Hello and welcome to Too Many Tabs, a podcast where a husband and wife duo sit across from each other at a desk. And what do they do at this desk? Oftentimes, they hold hands. Sometimes they look into each other's eyes, but most of the time, they're telling each other about lore. Lore that they've discovered deep within the wells of the Internet. Lore that they've handpicked hands, handcrafted and hand decided on what to show each other. And this week, it's the husband who's showing the wife his thingy. And by thingy, he means research. And by research, he means stuff that he found with the assistance of people who are much smarter than him. That's right. It's a new episode of Too Many Tabs. Too many frauds and too many scammers that we wish weren't real. Too many cons and too many spams. And we're starting to feel like we've got too many tabs.

[Wife]

Open it.

[Husband]

Too many tabs. Remember to smile. That's right, we're here. It's another episode of Too Many Tabs, the only podcast that.

[Wife]

End of sentence.

[Husband]

No, there's other podcasts.

[Wife]

No, there's not.

[Husband]

There's other podcasts that claim that they're the only podcast as well.

[Wife]

That's okay.

[Husband]

That's a thing. So I don't want to be accused of stealing the Other Podcasts Only Podcasts line.

[Wife]

I didn't know there was another podcast that says that there is. I don't know. I don't listen to podcasts, you know? Well, no, I.

[Husband]

You don't want to hear what Charlie Kirk has to say from the governor of California, you big idiot.

[Wife]

No, there are certain podcasts I don't listen to because I don't want to accidentally steal content. You know what I mean?

[Husband]

Oh, you don't want to pickpocket.

[Wife]

I don't want to pickpocket. So I don't listen to, like, certain things.

[Husband]

The reason I stopped listening to stand up comedy so I didn't notice how the entire nation was spiraling towards fascism.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

One comedy club at a time. For the last decade.

[Wife]

Well, yeah.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

I mean, come on, it's fine.

[Husband]

Yeah, I know. Anyway, you welcome to Too many tabs. Sure. This episode is kind of special because there's a. There's. I want to let everybody know. This is my little parasocial corner. Let's get into Papa Perlman's parasocial parapet and let's talk about it. I've been depressed. I've been very depressed. It's been a hard time, but I slowly realized that part of that was the sun had not touched my face for a month. Yeah, it's been cloudy. I've been indoors.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

It's been cold. Got a little warmer. Sun came out, took the dog for a walk, came home, was like, hey, I've been depressed. Huh? And Mrs. P was like, yeah, idiot, you've been super depressed. And thank all. Thank you for being there.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Thank you for loving me.

[Wife]

Thank you for being.

[Husband]

But on the other side of it was. I read an article.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And that's what today's episode's gonna be about. I read an article about a man that we're gonna talk about a little bit further in the episode.

[Wife]

This is how I wanna describe what happened.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

You were sitting in bed with your phone.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Reading on your phone. Probably when you were just waking up. I don't remember. But all I know is you were in bed, snuggled up like a little grumpy, depressed burrito.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

And you jumped out of bed like the grandpa from Willy Wonka with a golden ticket to come running downstairs to tell me what you just read. And I was like, wait, what?

[Husband]

And you were like, put on pants. Because I think I was.

[Wife]

Well, you did have on the one. The. The cotton long nightgown with a little hat you wore. Because that's how you dress for bed.

[Husband]

That's how I dress.

[Wife]

Like Ebenezer Scrooge.

[Husband]

And I had a lantern. Yeah.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

Yeah. Buy me the biggest turkey from the Canada.

[Wife]

Took out. Turned off our electric grid.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

We're going by Candlel.

[Husband]

Yeah. And so that's what today's episode is about. As we get into that. But we do want to start out by doing, you know, a little call to actions and just a little announcement.

[Wife]

We're podcasters.

[Husband]

We're podcast.

[Wife]

Like subscribe.

[Husband]

Yep.

[Wife]

Itunes, Spotify stars.

[Husband]

Yeah. We're looking for them. Stars, we're looking for stars. We're looking for reviews.

[Wife]

Leave them comments.

[Husband]

Yeah, drop them.

[Wife]

Find them in a. Find us on Instagram, like, and follow us. Is there.

[Husband]

Yeah, you know, find us on the socials, all that different stuff. And also, I mentioned this article.

[Wife]

Ring the bell.

[Husband]

Ring the bell. I mentioned this article. I'm gonna put that in the show notes so you guys can read it as well, along with this podcast. And also, today's episode was highly researched by our very good friend, Sad Beige. And please, I have her Instagram down in the show notes down there. Check her out. She makes content that she's the best. She's very. She's an incredibly, incredibly funny content creator. And she's also a really, really, really good researcher, which you guys will hear throughout this episode. So with that, I am ready. I'm ready to start looking towards the future by looking into the past and seeing that we've done this shit before. This is not the first time. And guess what, guys? It sucks, but you can get through it. So without further ado, let's go ahead and learn a lot about the life and times of George Dale.

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[Wife]

We're back.

[Husband]

We're back. We're here. Okay, so I want to go ahead and start out by letting you guys know that this is going to be the story of a man fighting the KLAN.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

In 1924. And it's important because this is almost exactly 100 years ago. This story happens here in America. And the reason why I want to tell you guys this story is a lot of people have been looking around and. And I think a lot of us, when we're doom spiraling, we go immediately to Hitler. Yeah, immediately. Because it's the worst. Hitler's the worst.

[Wife]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Husband]

But we're in America and we have done this before, specifically with the clan.

[Wife]

I think Hitler learned from America.

[Husband]

No, he did a lot of what he learned. We had. He learned from us. And he was like, yeah, look, these.

[Wife]

Americans sure are doing that.

[Husband]

His. His fate. Hitler's favorite guy was an American. His name was Henry Ford. Hitler loved an automaker.

[Wife]

What's it about the automakers so crazy.

[Husband]

That it's like, hey, hey. What do you do? I'm building a new type of car. Oh, that's awesome. What else do you love? Oh, buddy.

[Wife]

Oh, man.

[Husband]

Oh, my hobbies. Oh, you can't wait to hear about my hobbies.

[Wife]

Oh, I know. Collapsing the infrastructure for trolleys and buses in the city of Philadelphia.

[Husband]

Yeah. And. And you fast forward that to destroying the high speed rail on the west coast. Anyway, we need more tunnels. Okay. So, George Dale.

[Wife]

Okay, Yeah. I don't know who this is.

[Husband]

I know you don't know who this is. I want to explain to you about this man and how he stood up to the Klan in Indiana.

[Wife]

Whoa. Okay.

[Husband]

The state of Indiana.

[Wife]

Yes, Indiana.

[Husband]

Okay. Which I've been to. I've been to Indiana. Indiana. I've been to Indianapolis.

[Wife]

Yes. And I have also been to Indiana.

[Husband]

You have?

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Okay, cool.

[Wife]

So I've been to every state. Wait, that's not true.

[Husband]

You're missing a couple.

[Wife]

I didn't go to the Dakotas. Huh. There's. There's a few states I haven't been to. Basically anything super square or rectangular I probably haven't been to.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Because I have this theory that states that are squigglier, that have different weird shaped borders are usually the funner states. So once they get really square, Indiana.

[Husband]

Literally proves that that's wrong. Oh, no, Indiana. Indiana proves. And listen, I would say, no, hate to our fans in Indiana, but I did a show in Indianapolis and guess what? Not a single person who came to that show was from Indiana.

[Wife]

They all drew from other states.

[Husband]

Yeah. One person was like, I drove down from Minnesota because I figured this would be the closest you'll be. I'm like, I'd rather. I'm going to try to come to Minnesota. Like, I'm going to try.

[Wife]

I'm trying to move to Minnesota. They got Tim Walls there.

[Husband]

I know, I know. But anyway, George Dale is. He's a newspaper publisher.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

And a very, very interesting man. But to understand what he did, okay. We need to talk about the clan. And that's difficult because especially in American education, but especially American culture as a general, we have memory hold the Klan on purpose. And by the Klan, I'm saying the Ku Klux Klan.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Okay. The white sheet, the burning crosses, all of that stuff. And the thing that We've memory hold. The hardest is the Clan. Much like sca comes in multiple waves. Okay. Okay.

[Wife]

I don't know if we should par. I should not.

[Husband]

I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it right now.

[Wife]

We should not paralyze.

[Husband]

Every time the Clan rises, Sky is right there to fight back. I.

[Wife]

Okay, okay, so, yeah, I see what you're saying.

[Husband]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there is officially. There are three. Three waves of the clan. I would argue that we're actually in the fourth wave now.

[Wife]

We're in the fourth wave of the.

[Husband]

We're in fourth wave clan. Okay, okay. So the first wave of the clan. Clan one was from 1865 through about 1877.

[Wife]

All right.

[Husband]

It's a very short run, but it's. It's from Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War. Yeah. Through the Compromise of 1877. And this is. The Klan is born out of Confederate veterans and soldiers who were real mad.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And were terrorists. They were literally insurgent terrorists. And they were trying to hide their identity. They did not have the robes that we picture now. Yeah, Those are a later invention. If you watch the movie Django Unchained.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

The guys who have like black bags and the whole thing where they're arguing about the eye holes.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That's actually pretty accurate.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That is how they would. They would just put these black bags over their head. It was lily pillowcases. They would cut eyes in, maybe have like a little drawing on and stuff like that. It was less of the ghost shit. That comes later. This group, though, was designed entirely to do terrorist attacks and to scare black populations as well as to break up Republican voting drives. Now, one thing that's going to be confusing to some people is there's the old Republicans back then were the liberals. And there's a party switch that happens in 1965.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

1964. 1965. When Lyndon Johnson says, hey, black people should have rights. All of the racists went to the Republican Party. And the Republican Party was like, yeah, let's go win the South.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

It's what Nixon does. This. There's a bunch of stuff. I don't wanna get too into it, but as I'm talking about Republicans back then, just know this is a completely different group of Republicans.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

This Klan was decentralized. This clan had no central governor governing body and was basically like micro franchises throughout the South. One guy would hear about a clan and then he would start his own.

[Wife]

So they were chick fil A. Yeah.

[Husband]

Kind of like Chick Fil A's, McDonald's in that way. But again, but those things, those types have, they. They have a central body that goes in. Go. No, no, no, no, no. We don't use. We only use white pillowcases. Like, there wasn't anything like that.

[Wife]

Like one where we say, my pleasure.

[Husband]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. So these guys, they pop up all across the south. And the United States government does something that is shocking today.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Which is that they actually were like, no, we have to stop these guys, and we have to battle, literally fight racism. We. To physically fight racism. We just went. We just literally had a war against racism. Now we have to actually stop the racism. So they passed a thing called the Enforcement Act. All right, okay. The enforcement acts of 1870 through 1871 were passed by Congress. One of these enforcement acts is specifically known as the Ku Klux Klan Act. Its full name is, quote, an act to enforce the provisions of the fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and for other purposes.

[Wife]

Oh, a name.

[Husband]

Sure. Yeah, sure. Just to point out, though, I would like to say that to remind everybody, the 14th amendment is the amendment that is specifically being targeted by the Trump administration to be no longer looked at the same way. Because the 14th Amendment is what grants birthright citizenship, meaning if you're born inside of the United States, you are automatically a US Citizen. This was one of the things we fought the Civil War over. This is one of the things that those enforcement acts were passed for to make sure that we could enforce the 14th Amendment. And now here we are, 150 years later, trying to undo that. This third act specifically.

[Wife]

Not we.

[Husband]

Not we. Not we.

[Wife]

Not we.

[Husband]

He.

[Wife]

He. Yeah.

[Husband]

This third act specifically.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Was requested directly by President Ulysses S. Grant.

[Wife]

All right.

[Husband]

Okay. And now one thing I want to say about Ulysses S. Grant, friend of the show. Ulysses S. Grant, deep friend of the show. Okay. If you were listening to the Warm up this week, you heard me talk about my love of Jagermeister. Ulysses S. Grant would have loved Jagermeister. Also, Ulysses S. Grant, he was one of those presidents that was shit talked a lot. And actually, if you go through American high schools, a lot of our textbooks talk about him being a shitty president. They bring up the Teapot Dome scandal and a few other small things that is actually leaned on. That's the South. That is the Texas school board trying to make Ulysses S. Grant seem like a bag of shit.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Ulysses S. Grant, he wasn't a great president, but. But he was nowhere near as bad as they fucking line him up to and the reason why he's so hated by the President, by, as a president later, is because how violently he suppressed the Klan.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

He violently defeated the Confederacy. And then he looked around and said, oh, we're about to lose the peace. Give me an act so I can shoot these fuckers. And that's exactly what he did. He, he made enforce through this act, the Ku Klux Klan Act. Then they used it to round up Klans members and then they put them on jury trials. And guess what they made sure they did. What all black juries. They took these white devils. Okay. They ripped the hoods off these white devils and they put them in front of all black juries.

[Wife]

Yeah, let's fucking go, dude.

[Husband]

And then they hung the fuckers.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And just the point they go, do you want this?

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And this is. And that was around 1871. So in the, in like the 1870s, the Klan starts to drop off, but finally what really drop?

[Wife]

Well, they dropped off.

[Husband]

They dropped off. Yeah, they dropped off.

[Wife]

They dropped through the floor.

[Husband]

Yeah, they dropped through this floor.

[Wife]

Depends on how they build it.

[Husband]

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes it's just a tree with a horse. So what actually really finally ended the Klan is the compromise of 1877. That is that. So the comprise of 1877, where there's a presidential election. 1876. And there was some electoral college shenanigans, of course, and basically one guy was clearly about to win, but there was slates of electors and all. It was basically back then in 1876, they were like, hey, we probably should get rid of this electoral college thing. Really fucks everything up.

[Wife]

Oh my God. Anyway, a man, you're still thinking maybe we should get rid of that.

[Husband]

A man named Rutherford B. Hayes. Rutherford. Rutherford became the President United States. And in this compromise, one of the things was basically he ended Reconstruction and he dialed back many of the federal actions that were protecting black people across the South. And therefore the Klan also was running out of steam. And the, the, the Klansmen just went and became legislators again. They were allowed to become legislators again. They were allowed to become judges again. And they slowly started rolling out things like Jim Crow and like these different acts and things like that. To suppress the free movement of black people.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

And that is a. That happens because of the Compromise of 1877. Rutherford B. Hayes, enemy of the show.

[Wife]

So never compromise. Is that what I'm hearing?

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Okay, now that's clan one.

[Wife]

Oh, okay.

[Husband]

That's clan one.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Okay. That's what the clan is born into. And what I described to you is really just a bunch of losers who are running around with sacks on their head, just shooting at people, scaring the shit out of them, and generally just being like, this is how we're going to stop them while losing almost the entire time.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

A bunch of fucking losers.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

The clan is almost always a bunch of fucking losers. By almost, I mean always.

[Wife]

Percentage wise, it's 100.

[Husband]

It's 100%. The second clan, though, this is what we're going to talk about more. But this is the one that's often forgotten.

[Wife]

Oh, the forgotten clan.

[Husband]

Yes. And this is the one we truly suppress in our discussions about it. So the. The second clan wave two is from 1915 to 1940 with a big.

[Wife]

That's a big swap.

[Husband]

It's a big chunk. It's a big chunk. Now, in reality, it's probably 1915 more to, like, 19, like mid-1930s. But it's. They're basically from World War I, right around World War I through World War II.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

So basically from this movie called Birth of a Nation.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

Until Pearl Harbor.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Okay, okay.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

This clan's very different. It's an open, secret fraternity.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Where they're a secret group. They have secret handshakes, they have all this different shit. But everyone knows.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Nobody's writing it down. But everyone knows. This is where they start to come up with all of their weird names. So they have a lot of stuff that starts with the letter K because they're super into this K alliteration.

[Wife]

So they're. They're a Kardashian.

[Husband]

Yeah, yeah. No, they are. Yeah. I went. When you guys think of the Ku Klux Klan, I want you to think of Kris Jenner.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That's gonna get me sued.

[Wife]

Allegedly. This is a comedy podcast.

[Husband]

This is a comedy history podcast.

[Wife]

We're just making jokes.

[Husband]

Hey, if you're on itunes right now, go give us five stars. Right. This is my favorite comedy history podcast. Okay. So this second Clan, okay. Was refounded atop a mountain in Georgia known as Stone Mountain.

[Wife]

All right.

[Husband]

Stone Mountain is today one of the largest Confederate memorials in the United States. They tried to build, like, a Confederate Mount Rushmore. And there's a laser light show that happens still there.

[Wife]

People still go to the laser light show.

[Husband]

Oh, yeah. No, it's a whole thing. It's like, a whole thing. And people tried to, like, do, like, people push back on it in 2020. And then they're like, it's our history. It's my heritage. I'm like, you're Literally. This is literally a Klan site. Yeah. Now, much of its mythology that's born. And basically what they claim their history of is they pointed to the guys from 1866 and the 1870s and said, that's who we're basing ourselves on. However, what. That was all myths because at this point, there was a book that was written, and that book got turned into one of the first blockbuster films. And that film is called Birth of a Nation.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Birth of a Nation is a movie that is about the end of the Civil War and Reconstruction. And it's a movie where white actors in blackface play Union soldiers. They have black Union soldiers who are stealing white women across the south and raiding white farms and burning white plantations. And the only people who stand up are the wonderful, proud, traditional southern men who step forward and fight these white actors in blackface.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And it's a massive hit. The. It's directed by a man named D.W. griffith, who is basically the Christopher Nolan of his age. Like this. Yeah, like. Like that level. Steven Spielberg. Christopher Nolan. I just started thinking of, like, big directors.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And like, a lot of times when I first heard about Birth of Nation, they were always like, he's like the Steven Spielberg. I was like, christopher Nolan is probably actually the better one to go on this one. Or maybe James Cameron. Like, he's. He's this huge blockbuster director. This movie was so popular that Woodrow Wilson, the president, United States at the time, showed it at the White House and said it was amazing. Woodrow Wilson, mind you, also massive racist enemy of the show.

[Wife]

Enemy of the show.

[Husband]

Enemy of the show.

[Wife]

Woodrow Wilson, honestly.

[Husband]

Yeah. Woodrow Wilson hated everyone and was like, no, we need a white America. Like, he was an evil man. In 1921, the Klan. But so 1915, they get founded Top Stone Mountain, Georgia. By 1921, they had spread nationwide.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

So they had spread nationwide and through national fraternity structures. And they had paid recruiters and they had mail order Klan robe sales that you could get from newspapers.

[Wife]

Oh, no, it's.

[Husband]

And they had national newspapers.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

One of which was called the Fiery Cross.

[Wife]

Okay. That's that number one on the nose.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Okay. On the nose. So we're. We're mail ordering the robes.

[Husband]

That's how they made their money.

[Wife]

And there's a person who's selling them door to door.

[Husband]

So they have. What they do is they have paid recruiters called Kleagles.

[Wife]

Kleagles.

[Husband]

Start with a K. Yeah, everything's with a K. Anything that's a sound is a K in this. By the Way just to go ahead.

[Wife]

Not a kegel, though.

[Husband]

No, not a kegel. They don't know what that is.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That would mean they have to not be in their secret fraternities. No. So they had these paid recruiters. This was all done by a publicity agency.

[Wife]

So. Wait, these.

[Husband]

No, no, no, hold on. You didn't hear me. This was done by a publicity agency. They weren't doing well when they were refounded. They weren't doing great.

[Wife]

So they hired pr.

[Husband]

They literally hired a pr. Our company called the Southern Publicity Association, a public relations firm that also represented the Red Cross, the YMCA and the Salvation army at the time.

[Wife]

Oh, no.

[Husband]

So for those of you guys who remember our episode about Edward Bernays, PR Public relations was invented around this time by. By Edward Bernays, who was the Neph of Sigmund Freud. I know I'm starting slowly to sound like a crazy person. I know I'm slowly starting to sound.

[Wife]

I love that you think this is slowly.

[Husband]

I know we.

[Wife]

We have been.

[Husband]

No, the YMCA and the Klan are connected.

[Wife]

Oh, no.

[Husband]

That's why he's playing the. That's why at his little rallies he keeps playing the YMCA because of the Southern Publicity Association.

[Wife]

That's why they were holding up those fucking little pickleball paddles. Yeah. Okay. I have lost where we are.

[Husband]

Okay.

[Wife]

Because that. Oh, no. What I was thinking is, are these. These people that are going out and trying to sell the clan. Yeah.

[Husband]

They're. They're paid per head.

[Wife]

So they're like pharmaceutical sales reps, kind of.

[Husband]

Kind of. I would say they're not.

[Wife]

Are they start. They're starting a downline a bit, right? Yeah, yeah, they're starting a downline because they want to sell the ropes.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

And then the more people you get in your group, you sell more robes.

[Husband]

So.

[Wife]

So is it a pyramid scheme?

[Husband]

Yes.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

It is an mlm. It's an mlm. It's an MLM for boys and girls because they have.

[Wife]

They have a women's girls monsters.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Bad people.

[Husband]

But they also have a whole children's brigade. Yeah. So this PR agency, they really came up with, like, the changes needed for the second clan to really blow up nationwide.

[Wife]

They came up with the costumes.

[Husband]

The costumes was. I think the costume actually came up with by Birth of a Nation that really is pulled forward from that. And that's kind of where the selling point is of like, oh, you can get your costume. You get all this. Their biggest recommendation was setting up the recruiters, setting up the pay structure and changing what they hate.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Because they said, they looked around, they said, listen, hating black people and Republicans, that's too narrow. That only works in the South. You got to meet the people where they're angry. So the Second Clan was not only anti black, they were also anti immigrant.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

Anti Jew, anti Catholic, anti communist, anti evolution, anti liberal, and anti modernity in general. Basically anything modern hate that they were. So today they would say that they're actually not anti, but that they're pro white, they're pro Protestant, they're pro tradition, and they're pro fundamentalists. Yeah, that's how they would sell themselves. And they're pro native born Americans.

[Wife]

Oh, my God.

[Husband]

And that's what the. This, that's what this PR firm recommended. Because the big thing with this PR firm is that they would get hired by nonprofits that felt they felt needed to help, and they viewed the clan as a nonprofit.

[Wife]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Husband]

Okay. Yeah.

[Wife]

Oh, my God.

[Husband]

No, it's a nonprofit. Mlm.

[Wife]

No. So this also franchises.

[Husband]

That also franchises and has selling points in a downline through a centralized agency that gives out affiliate links.

[Wife]

Oh, my God.

[Husband]

Yeah. Every. Nothing is original.

[Wife]

Nothing is.

[Husband]

Nothing is original.

[Wife]

Nothing is new.

[Husband]

Everything. Everything original.

[Wife]

Just repeating patterns.

[Husband]

Our last original idea was probably in 1910. The second clan was hugely popular in 1925. It's estimated that a Klan had between 3 to 8 million members nationwide in the United States, including with some chapters all the way up into Canada.

[Wife]

All right.

[Husband]

Central Canada. Now, let's go ahead and assume that we're 3 to 8 million. I'm gonna just assume they have 4 million members.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Okay. 4 million members in 1925 would be 3.5% of the total American population.

[Wife]

Yeah, I was gonna ask you what percentage of that.

[Husband]

Yeah. Because there's 115 million people in the US as of the 1920 census.

[Wife]

Oh, okay.

[Husband]

So three and a half percent were wearing robes. Level Klansmen.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That's not counting the people who are like. No, I mean, like some of their. I don't agree with everything, but they're a tax policy. Like, they're not wearing the hat. Anyway, the Second clan was incredibly popular. They were so popular that they held two marches in Washington, D.C. they marched down Pennsylvania Avenue from in front of the White House all the way to the Capitol. Tens of thousands of Klansmen marched in the streets carrying signs that said America First. That was their slogan.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

Their slogan was America First.

[Wife]

I knew that, actually.

[Husband]

I know you knew that. And actually, if you look up, if you go look up Clan March you can see these images in black and white of the Klansmen and children.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

And they're full robes. They do not have the shield down hiding their face.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

These. These are people face out marching down the street and on the sidewalks was six deep.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And having just been at the. I don't want to compare them to Philadelphia Eagles, but having just been in a massive parade like that. I was in crowds. That was 10 deep.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And so getting that feeling for it of, like, how, you know, we're not really a parade society anymore anymore in that sort of way. So, like, this is back. We're. Before television, radio is really just taken off.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

There's. These are the type of things, how people would build community. Community. But also this is how you knew something went viral. They had had a massive parade and this many people showed up. Well, I guess they're super popular.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Now we would just look and go, oh, man, they got. Look how many they got. They got 2 million views across six forms of social media. That's pretty viral.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

I was thinking at one point, I was like, 4 million people. That's a lot. And then I was like, I have 4 million followers across social media.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Meaning, Mrs. P, take my hand.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

I have clan numbers.

[Wife]

No, don't say that. Oh, my God.

[Husband]

I have Klan numbers on social media. Give me five stars. Okay.

[Wife]

Comedy is your bug.

[Husband]

Is. So around the time they're doing these marches, the Klan was also able to pass federal legislation.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And this established the Immigration act of 1924, which was some of the first restrictions on immigration in United States history. The Klan is the one who pushed for border patrol. And the Klan is also the ones who pushed for immigration quotas based on ethnic and racial stereotypes as well as eugenic policies and discredited race sciences.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

The second plan was so popular, so incredibly popular, that they had a schism. Oh, you know what schism is?

[Wife]

Like a church.

[Husband]

Yeah, like a church. They split.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And the schism was between the Southern Klan and the Indiana clan, the upper Midwest.

[Wife]

Oh, okay.

[Husband]

And the Indiana organization split from the Southern organization. And this was huge because according to Timothy Egan in his book A Fever in the Heartland, the Ku Klux Klan Plot to Take over America. Quote, the fastest growing faction, comprising 40% of all clan members, came from just three states. Indiana, Ohio, and Illinois. That checks out the upper Midwest. And this also spreads into western and central Pennsylvania as well.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

These were all huge clan territories. Eventually, though, the second clan collapsed, and it collapsed due to infighting. It collapsed due to people stealing funds. And it collapsed through many of them being grifters and kind of the inevitability happens with most multi level marketing schemes. The other thing that finally, eventually killed them was the rise of fascism in Europe because the Nazis looked cooler.

[Wife]

Son of a bitch.

[Husband]

Because many of these Klans members.

[Wife]

Because the Nazis had Hugo Boss making their uniforms. And these guys are out here looking like nerds in pillowcases.

[Husband]

A lot of these dudes eventually spin out if they don't age out of their clan or like try to hide from it. Then they turn and they join things like the silver shirts or these other different groups that are based on Mussolini's fascist. Like brigades of guys who go around beating people up. But they stop. They basically. They either. They either stopped in general because of the entire thing they realize is a grift and.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Or they say, I don't want to work only at night. Oh, I'm tired of hiding.

[Wife]

Yep. Okay.

[Husband]

Okay. And eventually what really kills them is because of that switch, when Pearl harbor happens and World War II breaks out. Being a Nazi, the Klansmen and Nazis are so close together.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And the Nazis take so much from the Klan and copy so much of their tactics that being. Being a Klansman is considered the same as being a Nazi.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

And so in the 40s, they fall off.

[Wife]

Mm.

[Husband]

And they go dormant for about 10 to 15 years.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Until the third clan.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Which is the one most of us think of.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

The third clan. From 1950 through the 70s, even into a little bit into the 80s. This is the Klan that most of us know about because of their fights against desegregation and civil rights in the United States.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

This is your southern hick, Mississippi burning Klan. This is the one that when. When I say Klansmen, you think of. We're out here, Jim Bob. Good boy. These are the ones you're thinking of.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That clan is not so much defeated, but is basically worthless by the 90s.

[Wife]

Because their PR is so bad.

[Husband]

Their PR becomes so terrible.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

They're destroyed by things like Jerry Springer we talk about. They're destroyed by so many different aspects of television and desegregation and the fact that people weren't as afraid of their neighbors. As we start moving in together. In a lot of these cases, the Klan grows based on the fact that the average person is scared of an influx. When we look at Europe right now and the rise of the far right, when we look here in America, it's a lot of people screaming because two or Three people who look different than the community they grew up when have shown up.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Once there's 15, 20, 100. They're like, this is our neighborhood.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

But like that takes time. That initial is where they get freaked the fuck out. We gotta stop this. Yeah, that's where they freaked the fuck out. By the time of the 80s, you know, hip hop, R and B. The regular television by some Fresh Prince is on the air. It's like, okay, if you are straight up a Klansman, like I'm not saying they didn't exist, but I'm saying they had no power.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

We are now in the fourth wave of the clan, which I would say is been the, the basically the mid 2000s until the modern day Internet. Internet clan. Internet clan, which they don't wear.

[Wife]

I was going to ask you about is because I know that one of the things that you. We were talking about once, so far, I don't know if it was on this episode, on an episode of the podcast or if like we were just like at the dining room table. But like the idea that like at some point on the Internet, these clan like ideologies got into every niche of the Internet. Every little group, every little subsect of like, oh, I'm into this art or I'm into this video game, or I'm just suddenly they were in every single little group.

[Husband]

Yeah. So what they did is they copied the kleagles of the 1920s. This is actually straight up from the Southern Publicity Association's public relations handbook on how to. How to recruit a new Klans member.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And what they did in the 20s is they would go to protests about money. They would go to protests about, you know, different things happening, especially around the Great Depression. Or they'd go to boxing events. They would go to areas where young men were, where there wasn't necessarily a hierarchy that noticed them and they would pick them off from the edges. So you have a big crowd of guys standing around. They're looking at something over there, Right. Oh, what are you guys doing? Oh, we're all watching this boxing match. Well, around the edges you would have clan recruiters walking around being like, oh, I like boxing too. You know, a white man should always win a boxing match fight. And they would hand out. Yeah. Oh, you know the reason why, you know the reason why there's a black champion Jews. Oh, that's the type of things that they would push.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

As they're walking around the edges, they would show up at vaudeville acts, they would show up at movies.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Every time Birth of a Nation ran, they would make sure that they were in the edges, which now in the modern era, where would you do that? You hide out in the comment section, you hide out in forums. You start making TikTok content, you start hiding out in these areas. People like Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is a kleagle. He won't admit it, but Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, all of these people are hand copying the exact same handbook that was put out back in the 1920s by the Southern Publicity association to push the Klan. And at the end of the day, what are they selling? Literal hats? Yeah, they're selling you hats. Many of them are selling T shirts. They are literally selling robes for you to put on so you can go have your little march.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

And so that's where we are now. And the thing I want to. I want to put those parallels for everybody is because I want to remind you something is. Yes, this is the fourth wave. The fourth wave is copying the second. I'm now going to tell you how the second was defeated.

[Wife]

Oh, yeah.

[Husband]

And I'm gonna tell you how one man of many, but one man, how he took a personal stand against the Ku Klux Klan in Indiana where they were stronger than anywhere else.

[Wife]

I'm so excited now.

[Husband]

I am too.

[Wife]

I am pumped. I cannot wait to hear.

[Husband]

I know. I can't wait to tell you about it. And I've been excited to tell you about it ever since that moment I ran downstairs with that article, which I'm gonna link in the show notes of this episode. We'll be right back after this.

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[Wife]

Air horns, baby.

[Husband]

So let's talk about George Dale.

[Wife]

George Dale.

[Husband]

So George Dale is a. He's a newspaper publisher.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

In Indiana.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

Now, obviously he didn't start there. George Dale was born in Virginia in 1867.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

All right. He was the son of an attorney, so his dad worked in law. But he was born just shortly after the Civil War in Virginia, of all places, in Monticello. Dale began his publisher, his publishing career, publishing a newspaper called the Journal. And his big thing, his giant thing, was taking up a crusade against saloons and liquors. He was a teetotaler.

[Wife]

Oh, no.

[Husband]

He was anti. And the thing that people need to understand about the this era as we get into Prohibition, is that America was hammered.

[Wife]

Yeah, yeah.

[Husband]

I'm not saying prohibition was good, but I'm saying people looked around and realized like, everyone in America was drunker than they've like ever.

[Wife]

And like poison drunk.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Because like there was obviously no regulation. So people were drinking literal poison.

[Husband]

Yeah. And they were falling down dead constantly. But also it's one of those things where you look through and you're like, well, why were there so many riots back? Everyone was fucking hammered.

[Wife]

So drunk.

[Husband]

Everyone was fucking hammered constantly and consistently. So after his crusade largely succeeded with the passing of prohibition and with also like more and more sales, you know, going down of liquor and saloons across America and in that area, people stopped reading his newspaper as much they had.

[Wife]

They were home making bathtub gin. There was no time to read so they won.

[Husband]

So again, it's one of those things. I think about that a lot actually, when it comes to things like gay marriage.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Because gay marriage was legalized only 10 years ago in 2015 and by the Supreme Court. And immediately it's like, oh, that kind of took the steam out of a lot of the gay rights groups that had build up so many of these networks and things like that. So the same thing kind of happens to a lot of these anti liquor and anti saloon groups which like, there is no. And like there's like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, but there's no like ban alcohol groups anymore.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

You know what I mean? There's nobody out there, like in that way.

[Wife]

Possibly the liquor.

[Husband]

The liquor industry.

[Wife]

Liquor industry. Absolutely not.

[Husband]

No. And not especially not my good friends at Jagermeister. They are not sponsors. But listen, if you listen to this week's the Warm up over on our Patreon, you'll understand why that's so funny. So George Dale moves to Muncie, Indiana.

[Wife]

Okay. I've heard that town before.

[Husband]

He. So he sells his subscription list. Because that's a big thing back then.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Was you made your money a couple different ways through newspapers. You had subscribers.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

You had the list of their names and addresses and then you had advertisements in your newspapers.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

So how do you do that? You sell your subscribers personal information and you also open up a space for advertisers for them. It's almost as if we've heard this before. This episode is not bought to you by Delete Me. I just want to say. But that's what they. That's what he did. So he sold. He sold the list, his subscription list to the Times Gazette and then he moved to Muncie, Indiana and he founded the Post Democrat in 1920. So George, he is a Democrat. He is. He is a Democratic political party member. But there's actually a lot of newspapers that are like, have like something Republican or Democrat in the name. Because our newspapers used to be openly partizan on purpose.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And you would buy three or four newspapers and you'd meld them together to figure out what the truth was.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

They didn't bullshit you today like they do today. We're like, no, we're fair and balanced. We cover all sides. No, no, no. If you want to hear what the left has to say about this, that guy over there, he's got a newspaper for you. You want to hear what the right has to say with it? That guy over there. Which is why I think kind of in the influencer content creator space. We're getting closer to where we were back in the term twenties.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Where it's like, listen, if you hear any information from me or from other people, like, you know, I clearly have a bias.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

If you hear from fucking.

[Wife]

Are you sure? Because for a while there, your comment section was like, this guy, when did he turn biased? When did he start? I was like, where have you been?

[Husband]

Well, I'm just saying for smart people. Also, like our fans, like, like, like the Pearl Maniacs and the Too Many Tabbers. They understand that I have a bias. And my bias is from more socialist sheriffs. Every time I think every. Every now and then somebody will just be like, socialist sheriff, and I just lose my mind. Yeah.

[Wife]

It's the best thing that ever happened.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

No, I was gonna say, that breakdown you shared on, was it Blue Sky?

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Where somebody was like, this is who you go to for the news to explain you. And then by the time they got to your name, it was like, this is why you should be angry about it.

[Husband]

Yeah. Yeah. It started off with Aaron Parnas tells you the headline. You need to know V from under the desk News explains to you the details of it, and Alex explains to you why you should be mad. Yeah. But George Dale, he. When he moved to Muncie, open his newspaper, he looked around and realized all these motherfuckers are Klansmen. Yeah, fuck these motherfuckers. And he realized pretty quickly that everyone else was bending the knee to the Klansmen.

[Wife]

So he doesn't like alcohol, he doesn't like drunks, and he doesn't like Klansmen.

[Husband]

Yeah. Well, because he really doesn't like. He doesn't like hypocrisy. And at least I don't want to say. I don't want to say that he doesn't like racism, because I don't know that. Yeah. I didn't really see that through this. But he hates the Klan. He sees them as corrupt. He can tell it's a secret network.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

There's also, during this time, there's a lot of pushback against secret fraternities.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

There's a lot of feeling that there were secret cabals of people across the United States that were actually controlling everything.

[Wife]

Yeah. The Masons.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Also, when are we gonna let go of that?

[Husband]

Never.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

That's. It's actually secret cabals. It's actually ingrained in American society at a. It's. We have flare ups of whether or not we care about them. Like every 15 to 20 years. But Dale starts. Starts going after the clan. And he does it in a way that reminds me very much of a tizzy ant from social media.

[Wife]

Okay. Yeah. He calls them out one by one.

[Husband]

He doxes the motherfucker. He straight just doxes the motherfuckers.

[Wife]

Sorry to be so like.

[Husband]

No, he fucking doxes these people. Straight up. Dale. George Dale becomes committed to revealing the identities for all members of the clan.

[Wife]

He's like, oh, you're gonna wear a hood, bitch.

[Husband]

Yeah, bet. Yeah. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Show it. And he does it by mocking them. Yes.

[Wife]

You have to mock people in all.

[Husband]

Of his clans in all of his clan posts. He goes out of his way to make sure every C is spelled with a K. And so it is just the Muncie Post Democrat provided the perfect platform for him to publish their names for all to see. And he was pithy about it. Yeah, like, that's what that is. Sad bash. Exact words. He was pithy about it. There's a guy named Paul Axline. He writes. George Dale writes about Paul Axline in his section called Zanesville. Classy clan cripples all with K. Okay. He said Paul Axeline could not pay his dues, so they kicked him out. C.W. edgar Gasoline Station. Burns a lot of juice and hides behind Old Glory Buck Cunningham. His head is as soft as the cakes he sells. Cakes is spelled all the case.

[Wife]

Oh, my God.

[Husband]

And Paul shaw. Paul is 100% a cuckoo nut. Another such trolling he had is when he printed the following in his newspaper. Ain't it grand to be a 100% American and wear your wife's nightie and a Mother Goose cap and a shallow hoot around the country at night on Wind Broken Plug. It's getting a hell of a lot for 10 bucks.

[Wife]

Geez.

[Husband]

Because he kept pointing out that the klan robes are $10.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And it's made the clan millions.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

He's like, y'all are buying your wife's nighty for $10. You know, that's a $1 90. So he just keeps lining, laying into these guys. He points out more and more. So here's some more. This one I liked a lot. Devald Brothers. This is. This is a wholesale meat group.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

This is like a meat market. This is inside that. That. That call out group. Deval Brothers Wholesale meat. East national pike retail meat market is on West Main 154. Of course, he has a stand in the city market. Hands out all the old beef and quarter to the 100% cuckoos.

[Wife]

Oh, you know what I mean? This.

[Husband]

Because he's pointing out. He's like, here, they're fucking you.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

He's. He's literally giving out old beef for free to Klansmen.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And he's charging you.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Here's where he's doing it. This is the exact thing. Oh, you think Donald Trump loves you? Then why didn't he give you free Trump coin? No.

[Wife]

He gave it to his boys. Well, no, I was also thinking, like, this happens. We see this happen on social media in tidbits where, like that real estate agent that wrote that mean thing on the receipt. Right. And then everybody called the. The century 21 she worked at.

[Husband]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wife]

And like this. So we see this happen in little spurts or like some business does, like a bar, restaurant does something.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Fucking insane.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

And then everybody is like, gets in their Yelp reviews or Google reviews, and then suddenly they got shut down by.

[Husband]

The liberals and by cancel culture. They got canceled by cancel culture. I love. I love. In this reading down it, he really points out over and over again, not only are these guys assholes.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Not only are they hiding, but also that they're hypocrites.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Because in a lot of these cases, these are small business owners and. Or they're liars.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

So in one Paul Shaw again, Cooper Mill Road, he said the Knights of the Flaming Sword was no good. Now, Paul is 100 cuckoo nut, but he's like, look, this guy used to tell you he hated the clan.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Much like Nancy Mace. Nancy Mace used to say she stood with the lgbtq, and now she's out here screaming about trans people in bathrooms.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That one hand, they said they're on this side. Here's another one, Dutchy Gilly. He's a grocer. Shawm Avenue. He made his 10 bucks to join the gang of cutthroats selling sauerkraut to the Irish and his Dutch friends.

[Wife]

Oh.

[Husband]

Because again, in this area, you had a lot of Irish and you had a lot of Dutch people and Germans and others moving into Indiana.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Through immigration. Because we had a big influx of immigration post World War I.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

And these guys lose their mind. Instead of just welcoming their neighbors, they see them, they say, oh, I can make a buck off of them, but I don't want to see them after that. Get that dollar.

[Wife]

Yeah. I'm gonna sell them there. You're making sauerkraut.

[Husband]

Yeah. The same way in Nebraska. Who will care about the Nebraska farmers? Well, not Nebraska, because they Voted to get rid of all of the migrants have been coming through to work those fucking farms.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

As I've seen across Tick Tock.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

This is just. Again, we're doing the same story.

[Wife]

Okay. Because this, to me, Okay. I haven't read a newspaper on paper since I was waiting tables, probably because that's back when we had free newspapers, like city papers and the Philadelphia Weekly, which you could. You. They had like the papers on the side of the road boxes, and you would just grab them. And so every day pre shift, when we were doing our side work and having our cigarettes, we would read through them and there was misconnections in the back.

[Husband]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wife]

And like, there was like, fun ads.

[Husband]

Dan Savage had a call.

[Wife]

Dan Savage had a call.

[Husband]

Dan Savage's call.

[Wife]

And so it was like we, we all read the newspaper pre shift as we were like having our coffees or whatever, trying to get over our hangovers.

[Husband]

Yep.

[Wife]

At 4:00pm yeah. So it's like the, the back of though, those misconnections, those things where there was another name for them. But that would be what this was because, like, again, I'm picking up the newspaper, I'm reading the articles, I'm reading what's going on in this city. I'm reading about the mayor's. I'm reading about this, and then I get to the end of it and I'm like, oh, my God, I cannot wait to see which clan member who's thinking, oh, it's Bill. Yeah, it's a bill from the deli.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

I, I can't wait to tell Samantha because she's friends with his wife.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Like, this would have been gossip.

[Husband]

And let me tell you something. Let me tell you what's crazy.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

He, he never got sued by these people for defamation.

[Wife]

Well. Because you have to prove you're false.

[Husband]

Yeah, exactly. And so he never got, he was.

[Wife]

Like, I'll get the membership he gets.

[Husband]

We're gonna get into more of the trouble he gets into. But, like, when it came down to, like, nobody ever walks up, is like, hey, I'm not a member of the clan. Because nobody. Also, the feeling was everyone was a member of the clan. So you didn't want to come out if you, if, if he prints your name and says, fuck you, you're in the clan.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And then you step forward, go, this is bullshit. I'm not in the clan. Well, now you're going to be an enemy of the clan.

[Wife]

Yeah. Now you're an enemy because now you're.

[Husband]

Saying being a member of the clan. So you're stuck.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And it's. I think you and I have been talking about a lot ever since Elon Musk threw the salute and all these other guys, it's like, why are they denying it? Why pretend you're not? This.

[Wife]

Okay. I've been screaming about this since the election. Is that I don't understand why Elon and all his little people on the Internet and Trump and all these people every day lie to our faces. Like, why is he throwing a Nazi salute? But then being like, I'm not a Nazi. Like, at this point, he's the pseudo president. Just say you are. Like, stop gaslighting us and stop lying to our faces like we're idiots.

[Husband]

It's because the reason why is because just like the Klan back then, the true psychos.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Are not more than three and a half percent of the country.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

They are sock puppets that need things like the electoral college and other things to make themselves seem like they're a majority.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

When you look at the election, Donald Trump won 22.3% of the total United States population.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

He's yelling. He has this massive mandate. I won 51%. First thing, you didn't win 51% of the total electorate. You won sub 50.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Kamala won less. Sure. But you didn't even win 50.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And then if we took out the actual population, we take all the people who couldn't vote and all the people who chose not to vote, you only won 22.8% of selling around those.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

So when we look at these numbers, they don't have the true mandate that they don't have the mandate of the people.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

They have the mandate of billionaires. They have the mandate of sock puppets, and they had the mandate of algorithms that are controlled by billionaires. And that's the same exact thing that happened in 1924. These fuckers would put on these robes, they would hold their little rallies. They would pretend that they were every. Every white Protestant in the town is Klan.

[Wife]

Mm.

[Husband]

And as George started to point out. No, they aren't.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Let's. Let's. Let's. If you're so proud of it.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Pull up your fucking hood. And that's the same thing. Elon, if you're so proud of it, just put the goddamn armband on.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Stop pretending you aren't, because you still want to be invited to parties, because.

[Wife]

You still want to be able to sell the Irish food even though you hate the Irish.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

You still want to sell sauerkraut and cabbage. Even though you don't like the Germans coming in.

[Husband]

Yeah. You still want black Twitter to buy the blue checks.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

You still want people to drive a cybertruck. You still want just make your sales nation internationally while screaming about globalists.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

You still want to do all this shit. You still want to be accepted by everyone while screaming that most of us are parasites and scum.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And George Dale pointed this out.

[Wife]

Yeah. Because he hates a hypocrite.

[Husband]

It should be noted that the. This is again from the notes. It should be noted that the enduring notion that the KKK was and is largely rural, uneducated bumpkins back then, because it's still viewed that same way today, was an issue.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Is this idea of the country bumpkin hick. I don't like none of them Irish coming in here.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That's what most people's view of the Klan. George is one of the ones who also need to point out that those guys are completely propped up by the Indiana Klan outfit because they are hiding out in the wealthy, in the affluent, in the respected upper class. They're the ones. Oh, you can't afford a robe. Don't worry, I got you. We'll give you a robe scholarship. Oh, you can't get over there. Oh, I got you. Oh, we need a tent for the rally.

[Wife]

Mm.

[Husband]

Somebody has to supply this shit.

[Wife]

Yeah. Because they're judges, they're cops, their lawyers. They've infiltrated all these other areas so that they can push their agenda. And then they keep these low income, low education people at the forefront so that everybody doesn't pay attention to the fact that they've infiltrated all these other things. Like, oh, those guys killing done.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

They're living in this low income housing and they're yelling on the Internet and they have bad dental care. Like they're clearly not getting done, but they're. They're props at this point, is what you're telling me.

[Husband]

But also, also, it's one of those things where there's always. We heard about this the first time Trump got elected. It's economic anxiety. It's the price of eggs. No, it isn't.

[Wife]

Oh, God.

[Husband]

Because many rich people, many affluent people, many people who have traveled the world and done all this other shit and know and are educated are also there.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And they're also doing this shit. You can't sit here. That's the thing you and I yell about all the time, about how they don't give any of these women agency inside the MAGA Movement.

[Wife]

Oh, my God, Let me yell about this.

[Husband]

Go ahead, go ahead. Mrs. Hold on, hold on. Everybody. Everybody prepare your soapboxes because Mrs. Is about to talk.

[Wife]

No, I'm not gonna yell, but no, this is a thing that bothers me so much, and I. I screamed about it a lot after. What would. Watch the Grammys. Was it. Was it when Kanye and the wife.

[Husband]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wife]

This would. Started. It is because Kanye's current wife, you know, they were on the red carpet, and then she took off her clothes, and she stood there in the nude, basically. She had, like, something sheer on, but she was basically nude. And I had posted on threads a comment about it, about how if the roles were reversed and Kanye or any man had dropped all their clothing off and stood there in the nude, there'd be criminal charges.

[Husband]

He would have been arrested.

[Wife]

It would have been arrested on the spot. It's a crime to. Of indecency to just be naked, especially with photographers and all this stuff happening. And also, it later came out that there was a child nearby who, like, there's pictures of this child looking at her like, whoa, what's going on? And so just this act of indecency. And the immediate response I got in the comments was people being like, well, she's clearly a victim of some type of domestic violence. She's a victim of this marriage, and blah, blah. And I was like, that could be true. None of us know that for sure. That's something we're assuming based on what we can see esthetically as a power dynamic. Right. But I've also. We talked about this in a different episode, is that you can be a victim and still perpetrate other actions of crimes. Right? So, like, she may be a victim in this relationship, but that was still a civil and criminal crime. Like, she could be sued by the state of California for that. Every photographer could sue her. Like, things. Could she. There could have been criminal charges, right? So, like, I was yelling about that because people started coming at me as though I was a. I was victim, blaming her. And I was like, no, no, no. Like, I understand that, but also, what she did was wrong, and if Kanye did it, it would have been a whole other thing. So the thing that then made my brain go is that, like, it's always women that all have chosen. Have chosen to pair themselves in these relationships with these fascist men that we as a society then immediately infantilize them. It's like, oh, well, she. She's a victim. So she has no agency. No, she has an Agency to get with Kanye when he does all kinds of Nazi stuff.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

And then, like, Asha Vance. Yeah. So, like, J.D. vance's wife. People like, oh, well, Melania. Yeah, Melania. Oh, well, she's clearly like this. Like, we don't ever give the women that choose these fascist partners agency in their own choice to side with their own abuser and their choice to side with the oppressor in this way. And, like, I want someone smarter than me to do a deep dive and help me understand it and explain it to me, because there's something as a society where we look at women who have chosen to be with these partners, and then we immediately go, oh, well, they're. They're. They don't have that agency. They're. They're. You know, there's clearly something going on. They're being burdened in some way with a violent behavior or this negative thing. And I'm like, I don't think so. I think Melania knew what the fuck she was doing. She found her golden calf. She had a kid with him. Yes. She clearly fucking hates him, but that hasn't stopped her from showing up at the White House two times in a row.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

And like, Usha. Usha Vance. Not Asha. Usha Vance. Like, same thing is, like, she had children with that man. He talks negatively about people from her ethnic background, and she had his kids. Like, she knows what she's doing. And so I just. It blows my mind. And I might have screamed about it for two days straight. I just. There's. There's something in our psyche about it, and I don't know how to unpack it because I. So I need someone smarter than me to please explain it to me. Thank you so much.

[Husband]

So somebody who actually who I'm not gonna say is smarter than you. Yeah, but what you just said was brought up by George Dale in 1924.

[Wife]

Oh, really?

[Husband]

And actually was driven. Driven. Hard nails he drove into the women of the Ku Klux Klan and the ones who were actually standing besides their man and pretending that they weren't doing that. And we're gonna talk about that right after this.

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[Husband]

Welcome back. Welcome back. Here we are after your epic rant there about the agency of MAGA women.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

I want to talk a little bit how George Dale went after the camellias of the Ku Klux Klan. Oh, with a K. Yeah, that's what they called themselves.

[Wife]

The camellias.

[Husband]

They called themselves the camellias. So there were thousands of women involved.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

With the kkk. And a big part of what they would do is they were the ones literally feeding. Yeah, Literally feeding the clan. They were also the ones who were literally stitching the gowns.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

They're doing all this different thing. But there's two in particular that George Dale went after. And one of these is I never heard of. And she's so crazy that I want to point a little bit more towards. So one of this is a person named Helen Jackson.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Okay. Now, you were raised Catholic.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

I have a question. Are nuns tortured in pits underneath the places where priests learn how to become priests?

[Wife]

No.

[Husband]

Okay. Wrong.

[Wife]

Oh, okay.

[Husband]

That is according to Helen Jackson.

[Wife]

Oh.

[Husband]

So there is a thing that happened in America. I think a lot of people forget that America had a massive anti Catholic bias running until basically the 60s. John F. Kennedy was America's first Catholic.

[Wife]

President, and we saw what they did to him.

[Husband]

Yes. And it was a massive deal that he got elected. There was a feeling in this country that anyone who was Catholic could not be loyal to the United States of America, the US Constitution, and the Pope. Because if the Pope is infallible and every Catholic is supposed to listen to the Pope, then how could you follow the Constitution?

[Wife]

Well, the Constitution says we don't have a king, so, like.

[Husband]

Exactly. But the Pope himself has a crown. These are some of the arguments that they would use. It was also being noticed that many of the immigrants in the 1920s who were coming in were either Irish or they were from Southern Europe.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

And even some from Eastern Europe were at higher Catholic populations. So you had a lot of Italians who are Catholic. You have some Spanish who were Catholic. You have all these different groups of people who are coming in, even some Catholic Germans who are coming into the country. And what do we have who are already here? White Protestants who control everything, looking around and being like, no, this is great. We love the bodies. I need to make sure that I have a class of people who will keep these Irish in check. I need to make sure that these Irish and these Italians and these others don't step up and eventually usurp my crown as the king of, I don't know, marble kitchen counters.

[Wife]

Got it.

[Husband]

You know what I mean? Like, stuff like that. So eventually, different grifters stepped forward and one was named Helen Jackson. And Helen Jackson had a book called Convent Cruelties.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

And what her deal was was Helen would travel across the United States and. And she would tell people about how she is an escaped nun.

[Wife]

Oh.

[Husband]

Who was tortured in Rome's convent slave pens.

[Wife]

Oh.

[Husband]

Now, here's the thing.

[Wife]

Okay, wait, listen. This. This joke might be mean and I'm sorry, but that. That one. That one woman who's from North Korea who's, you know.

[Husband]

Yes. I'm getting. I was 100% what I was going to do.

[Wife]

She's always like, in North Korea, we. And you're like. But like, at first you're like, yeah, that. I'm sure that there are a lot of horrible things in the. But I was like, I feel like she's grifting.

[Husband]

Yeah. No, there's a certain point. But so what she did is she would claim that these slave pens and all this crazy shit that they do to the nuns, basically they were like, no, they trick white women into becoming nuns and then they torture us. And these. And the whole thing is that these are ex Catholics and this is happening in America. This isn't happening in Italy. This. All these different things. She claimed that there were tunnels between the convent and the parish P. Did he.

[Wife]

Tunnels?

[Husband]

Yes, 100%. That the priests would go underground, they would walk through these tunnels, they would pop up in the convent, they'd assault the nuns, the nuns would get pregnant and then they would sacrifice the children by throwing them in the river.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Yeah. That they were then doing necromancy and killing the children. Which want to point out when it comes to Catholics and kids, killing them wasn't the problem.

[Wife]

It's not.

[Husband]

It's not the problem. But they had all these different things. They had. There's an image here from one of. From Combat Cruelties of the other nuns forcing her to drink dirty soup. All these different things. It was a heavy thing. And she would be. She was promoted heavily in the Fiery Cross, the Klan's newspaper. She was pushed across the United States. She also, again, isn't the first person to do this. There is a book called the. The Awful Disclosures of Maria Monk.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

And a lot of this was based in Victorian and actually over in England because The English were very anti Catholic because of what. Yeah, because the Church of England and the split with Henry VIII going all the way back. But that was so thoroughly debunked that it became its own trope.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

It became its own joke where it was almost like a Catholic exploitation horror. Whereas you had these things where it was like in the. In the 70s and 80s you have this whole thing of like Turkish prisons, Turkish women's prisons become like this whole sub genre of movie and porn that gets out there. They had books that were just about like nuns being tortured.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And it became this whole like dirty book. And when it came to America, they went, no, this is true.

[Wife]

Yeah. And classic America. And so it's sprinkled America being. Not being able to have the. What's it when you. Wait. The lit.

[Husband]

The media literacy discernment.

[Wife]

Yeah, they don't have the media literacy. Yeah, this is true. Immediately.

[Husband]

Yeah. So they.

[Wife]

Can I tell you something real quick that I was thinking of? You said the. These ladies call themselves the Camilla's, right?

[Husband]

Yeah. Camellias.

[Wife]

Camellias. After the flower.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

I'm assuming with a K though. Yeah. And they call themselves that. The camellias.

[Husband]

Yes.

[Wife]

He didn't make that up. I. My brain tinged because the camellia flower with it, see is the logo, historical logo flower of Chanel, the fashion house Chanel, who famously was a Nazi man.

[Husband]

Someday we'll be able to hit this. You know what? Someday. Someday I'm going to be able to hit this. No Nazi guarantee.

[Wife]

Not today. Not today, buddy.

[Husband]

Actually, as I'm scrolling this article to pull more stuff to tell you about Maria. Was Maria Monk actually almost married Samuel Morse?

[Wife]

Wait, what?

[Husband]

The inventor of the telegraph? Yeah, yeah. That's how famous she was. Some of these people became incredibly, incredibly, incredibly famous. You know, in 1928, a Catholic ran for president. Al Smith. Again, it was a huge issue. And this is what the Klan really pulls on and starts building up and pushing these different things. Things. But George pushed back on her. George wasn't going to let her get away with this bullshit just because she's a woman.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

You know what I mean? And that was a bit. Another big thing that they were trying to hide behind.

[Wife]

Exactly. I can't do it. I'm just a little woman.

[Husband]

Oh, yeah, exactly. I'm just a woman. And how dare he go after it. No, no, he, he. He went after her hard. He said Helen Jackson coming because she was coming to Muncie.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Helen Jackson, the fake nun who was brought here by the Ku. Klux Klan last summer is billed for here at Campbell's Auditorium. It is said that the Ku Klux Klan plucked up courage and decided to bring the woman back after winning in the recent election. And then he goes on to like list all these different things. Helen and other of these fake nuns actually started riots at Notre Dame. Oh, because Notre Dame, famously the Fighting Irish. Yeah. And a Catholic university. The Klan and Helen Jackson, all these. Everyone would show up and be claiming that, no, your women are actually being assaulted by your priests and you're doing all this different stuff.

[Wife]

Oh, they were like the people that protested just so they can get kicked out.

[Husband]

Yeah, kind of. But no, except they were really showing up because they were trying to intimidate. They were actually trying to intimidate the people of Notre Dame.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And the people of South Bend, Indiana. And they got the shit beat out. It was a full bore riot in the society page. Not only with Helen Jackson, but He goes after Mrs. Jim Fitzjimmons. Fitzsimmons, camellia leader and designer of the shrouds. Mrs. Officer Harborough, 10th street keeps step to step on the Tom Toms in all parades. She's the one who's literally hitting the drums. Helen Jackson is a clucker ex nun and she is the record holder of all 100% lies. And we'll speak here soon. According to the statement of the local camellia committee, North Park Place sheiks. Watch this gold digger. She'll soak you 10 bucks for dinner with trimmings cheese, bro.

[Wife]

Yeah, also I, the. The playing the drums for the parade. Yeah, like, that is so it.

[Husband]

That is.

[Wife]

That is it.

[Husband]

She's literally. They're literally keeping the beat.

[Wife]

They're keeping the beat, though. The women of the clan are the ones holding it all down. It's kind of like that whole thing where in 2020 when a lot of marriages broke up because women started through social media understanding this idea of like emotional labor in the household and how like, you know, doing all the grocery shopping and keeping the house and remembering that there's no milk and like all this stuff. And at the same time this realization that like men were, are like, oh, he's so successful. He's, you know, he's a father of four and he has all these accomplishments and it's like none of those accomplishments would have happened if there wasn't a woman at home making sure he had clean press shirts and the kids were fed and that, you know, someone picked up his prescriptions and like all this stuff of like this, these Women are so integral to the success because they're the ones beating the drum for the parade.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

And it's like, I'm so glad he's calling them out.

[Husband]

Yeah. No, and, and these, these different, these ex nuns.

[Wife]

They're not really ex.

[Husband]

No, they were never actually nuns. No, they were never nuns. They are.

[Wife]

I'm a never nun.

[Husband]

But they, these, they would hold these rallies and they were selling their books and we know what they strike me as X transitioners.

[Wife]

Oh, yes.

[Husband]

It's the same idea in the terf world of. With the trans exclusionary radical feminists or others. Or you have X J.K. rowlings. No, no.

[Wife]

But.

[Husband]

But this, this grift is always done really well with the X transitioners. There's one right now who's running around called Maya Poet, who it's been proven that not only did she never actually transition, but that it's now being accused that her mom herself is like a pretty big member of the turf. Anti gender studies sciences like movement. She's a complete liar. And they said her transition was a haircut. And there's others like this. But you know, in his stupid speech he gave the other day, Donald Trump pointed to somebody, oh, January Little John, who can they claim that her daughter was stolen from her. You know, her child was taken because her child by the they thems and all this different stuff. And they changed their name and their pronouns and all this different stuff. And she just lost the femininity, was ripped from her child. That is a load of shit. January Little John lived in Florida and then I think it was 2020 or 2021. She reached out to a teacher and said that her. That they're working with her daughter about social transition.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

And that her daughter wants to use they them pronouns and blah blah, blah. And went to the whole thing and the teacher replied and was like, hey, that's awesome. Am I allowed to share this with other teachers? We have a, you know, a transition program here. Like, yeah, you came to us and said that this was happening.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And then she changed the story and she flipped it and immediately sued the school and became part of the entire Schools are trying to Moms for Liberty, Moms for Liberty bullshit. Because it's a money making thing.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And when you watch her face during that speech, you see somebody who is going to be no contact and will be alone in the nursing home. These are the same. These people who claim this X are the people who will be. They'll be, I'm an ex Muslim or I'm an ex this, I'm an ex that. Ex gays. Remember a lot of transition leftists. All these got to do the pivot. Oh, yeah, a lot of those. Ian Carroll. Ian Carroll from canceled his clothing company. Tim Pool is an ex leftist.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

A lot of them, they get their start is saying, I used to be. Listen, you guys, everything you believe about them is real. And that's what Helen Jackson did, along with others, is their whole thing would be to go around and claim that they had secret information.

[Wife]

Okay. Secret none information.

[Husband]

Yep.

[Wife]

Just they know the Beatitudes way better than everybody else.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

Rulers on the knuckles, y'all.

[Husband]

Yeah. Here's an image of. This is supposed to be Helen escaping the Fort Saint Convent in Detroit, Michigan. Yeah, that was her whole thing is she was being kept in the evil convent in Detroit. But, you know, George called them out and George pointed out anybody. Because some people might go to this, just be like, I want to see what this is.

[Wife]

And there's nothing else to do.

[Husband]

But also, this isn't sold immediately as a Klan rally. It's being sold as the story. The crazy stories. Oh, my God, the bawdy stories.

[Wife]

Yeah, it's Shen Yun. Yeah, come in for the day. Oh, my God, it's Shen Yun.

[Husband]

Oh, my God, I didn't even put that one together. Yeah, this is Shen Yun. You come in for this one thing, and before you know it, you are a member of a secret cult that is also an mlm.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That has a newspaper.

[Wife]

Everything is shed Dune.

[Husband]

With this, though it's around this time when she's coming through that the Klan does take more power. Okay, so it's the early 20s through 24, and further that George Dale is speaking about these people. And in 1924, a terrible thing happens. And I'm gonna read it from the COVID of the Fiery Cross quote. This is from November 7, 1924. Quote. Protestant Ticket sweep states national papal machine smashed. A Christian gentleman is now the governor of Indiana. Major Ed Jackson elected governor by a wide margin. Roman candidates beaten, badly beaten all over the country. Roman thugs law attack law abiding citizens. 200,000 will attend meet. Because that's what happens in November 7, 1924. The Klan wins across the nation. Yeah, they seem transcendent. They seem like they'll never end. They hold all the levers of power across Indiana in particular, but also across the nation. And George stood there in front of people and said repeatedly that this would happen. He wrote an amazing poem telling people to guard their vote. In it, he wrote for once The Klan gets control. May God have mercy on your soul. They'll use the thumbscrew and the rack, Put tar and feathers on your back if you ever fail to bow the knee and speak up like a man. That's free. So voters, guard your little vote. Be sure to guard it well. For once the Cluckers get it, your taxes will be hell. Well, they raised tariffs the next year, so George tried.

[Wife]

Hold on. You're telling me that they don't like the Romans? Then why are they doing Roman salutes? Riddle me this.

[Husband]

So with that, George tried to stop it, okay? And it couldn't.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

But then did George bend the knee? No.

[Wife]

No. Absolutely not.

[Husband]

And then George started to fight back. And guys, I'm gonna tell you what a real person who just fucking doesn't like what's happening, what happens when they stand up, and how they win right after this.

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[Husband]

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[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Dale immediately wrestled the revolver away from the man and shot him.

[Wife]

Nice.

[Husband]

He straight up just went, oh, better call the ambulance. But not for me.

[Wife]

It's like the. The tick tock where he's like, it'd be ashamed. Don't call the police.

[Husband]

Oh, no, don't call the police.

[Wife]

A lot of paperwork.

[Husband]

Paperwork. His son was attacked and then chased out by another bandit. What provoked this attack, according to Dale, was one of his own editorials that morning calling out the clan. But guess what he did? He turned around and he printed in the newspaper.

[Wife]

He put it in the newspaper again.

[Husband]

This is.

[Wife]

This is shot one of them.

[Husband]

It literally said, I killed a man, says Muncie editor. And then there's pictures. This is how I did it. Oh, no, don't shoot me. Gotcha. Gotcha. It's an incredible image. They also have them. An assailant's mask. It's in the George R. Dale scrapbook. Oh, did he really? It's a website. I don't know if this is the official one, but they have image of the. You know, it does, actually. The mask captured by the Dales. And this is from a different news.

[Wife]

After he shot the guy and they kept it.

[Husband]

The George R. Dale Scrapbook is a website. I'll link to it down below. But it has a lot of newspaper clippings and others that sad Beige was able to find through this website. And we're just like, what? Like his. That's what's crazy. We have so many things directly. Just him just being like. And then they tried to kill me. You. The summer of 22, again, this is before 24, when they went everything. But there was a massive Ku Klux Klan presence. It was becoming more and more obvious. In June, a black man named Robert Bledsoe was kidnapped and beaten by men in black. Black masks. A city attorney and Clarence Benadam denied any connection of the incident with the Klan. But that city attorney was not only affiliated with the Klan, but later he would join the Silver Shirts, which is a Mussolini inspired group. Yeah, these guys are open. The threats were nonetheless were substantial, both on George Dale and on his family. Yes, to the point where George bought a gun. But to do that in Indiana at the time, you had to have a permit. So In November of 2019, 22, Dale applied for a gun permit and he, the chief of police immediately gave him one.

[Wife]

Oh, really?

[Husband]

Immediately? Yep.

[Wife]

I thought you were gonna say denied him.

[Husband]

No, he gave it to him.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And then he arrested him for carrying a gun despite having the permit.

[Wife]

I'm sorry.

[Husband]

And claiming that the permit was not real. This was completely a setup. Dale was convicted by a judge and fined $90 two years later because it dragged out the sentence.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

This was the beginning of Dale's legal troubles. Dale would begin to be thrown into jail so often. Delaware County Jail in Indiana. He would get thrown into jail so often that the inmates began to applaud George. Every time he came into.

[Wife]

It's like, nice to see you again, George.

[Husband]

Here's a picture of George. George Dale and his fellow prisoners. He just there smoking a cigarette. He's in a suit. Everybody's like, hey, George, welcome back. What'd you do? Pissed off the judge.

[Wife]

Well, you know, it goes to show that they, they always stick by the playbook. Right. If they can't, if they can't get you to shut up, they're going to arrest you and they're going to sue you because they know that legal costs are prohibitive to most people.

[Husband]

There was a KKK judge, everybody knew he was a KKK judge named Clarence Dearth. Who, George?

[Wife]

Clarence Thomas?

[Husband]

No, Clarence Dearth. He said that he, this judge said that he supported a newly proposed law that would sterilize the feeble minded. It was a eugenics law that was being pushed in the area of work. So anyone under a certain IQ or that would be labeled as developmentally challenged today, they would be sterilized.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Chemically castrated. Dale sarcastically wrote in his paper that he agreed with the judge because if that policy were enacted one generation ago, there wouldn't be a Klan.

[Wife]

Nice.

[Husband]

That was one of the things that got him targeted. While Dale was conducting an interview in the office of a lawyer, police burst into the room searching for liquor. Oh, and despite no findings, no liquor, they still indicted Dale for possession of liquor. They didn't find anything. They still were like, no, it.

[Wife]

Actually, they didn't even bother planting it.

[Husband]

They didn't even bother. They couldn't find. They didn't even bother planting it. Anything.

[Wife]

They were just like. We thought it might be there.

[Husband]

Yeah. Eventually, a year later, they dismissed that charge.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

However, because he was fighting the charges.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And talking about them in the newspaper, he got a contempt charge by Clarence Dearth.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

The same guy. Clarence Dearth was like, no, no, but you're still in contempt.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

You. Yeah, sure, sure. That there was bullshit. You were an anti saloon guy who hates liquor.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Whose entire career began on ending liquor. And we tried claiming you were a fucking bootlegger.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

But you were like, well, you do have a bathtub. Yeah. For the trial on the same. On the contempt charge trial.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

George submitted into evidence the exact, the exact editorial that he said pissed off Clarence Dearth. Quote, if you don't like it in Muncie, why don't you move to Russia?

[Wife]

Shut the fuck up. Did he say that? Yeah.

[Husband]

The very act of using the editorial as defense was then used for a direct contempt charge. And he was sent to jail for making the defense. He was released on an appeal bond of $2,500. In 1924, he was. He was given another charge.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

90 day sentence and another fine of $500. Years of a single legal. Legal battle followed the direct contempt charge. But this did not stop Dale in this same time frame from writing, quote, the Ku Klux Klan is a lawless, felonious, hypocritical gown of night riding murderous outlaws. Newspaper clippings from 1926 further dives into legal troubles of contempt the Indiana Klan. Justice takes editors all he faces things he goes through more and more. And in 1927, as these legal battles go back and forth, he writes to all of his subscribers to the Post Democrat asking them for more help in his long legal battle against these people. And then you know what happens? The Klan starts to recede.

[Wife]

They do. Yeah.

[Husband]

And in 1928, George Dale runs for mayor of Muncie, Indiana.

[Wife]

Okay. Does he win?

[Husband]

So in 1928, Georgedale runs for mayor. Yeah, sorry. 1929.

[Wife]

Got it.

[Husband]

He runs for mayor. And he wins. Yes, he wins and becomes the mayor of Muncie, Indiana. And his first action. Okay, first thing he does.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

He fires the entire Muncie police force. He shows up, he's like, all y'all are clan. Fuck you, you're fired. He fires every single one of them, quote, because of a distrust in the department. And he believed only served Corrupt forces.

[Wife]

Yep.

[Husband]

The 39 members were asked to give their resignations on the same day he was inaugurated.

[Wife]

I love that so much.

[Husband]

Yeah. He literally looked at. He goes, some of you who serve forces the same that Burns crosses.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Fuck out of here.

[Wife]

I never heard that before.

[Husband]

Never heard that either. George and his sons and several others were on their way to a Democratic convention when they were stopped by Indiana State Police status and then charged with possession of liquor again.

[Wife]

Got it.

[Husband]

Not only were the frame ups like this done consistently to him in the Klan years, but he also had a record as a staunch dry. Going all the way back. All the way back. Everybody knows. So he continued to hold that the people framing him were the bootleggers of Muncie themselves.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Who were so upset at him for stopping their operations and often outing him.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

All during the same weekend, Dale was put in the county jail.

[Wife]

The mayor is in jail.

[Husband]

The mayor is in the county jail.

[Wife]

Okay.

[Husband]

Because he was transferred to Indianapolis jail. And then he was released by a $10,000 bond by Monday. His arraignment took place on March 17, where he pled not guilty. He was indicted by a federal grand jury in Indianapolis and went to trial on May 16. 22 charges were made against the defense. One witness during the trial admitted that he had been hired by the city council of Muncie to find dirt on Dale.

[Wife]

Oh, my God.

[Husband]

At one point in the trial, it was claimed that Dale was having an affair with the wife of a police sergeant. And I can't tell you about how that is definitely not happening from looking at this man.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

They're like, no, he fired all. He fired that sergeant because he was fucking his wife. What about the other 39 sergeants? Well, days later, on the 20th, he was found guilty on conspiracy to violate national prohibition. The thing that he pushed.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

They claimed that he was the one.

[Wife]

I assume they planted bottles this time.

[Husband]

I don't know about that part. I didn't really get into that. On June 3, George Dale was given an 18 month suspend sentence and a $1,000 fine. But he was released on a bond within a week. He was able to prolong the legal back and forth for a while by filing appeals to the Delaware County Superior Court. And eventually there was enough evidence of his innocence, specifically that there was a perjury in the case. They were able to prove that. Look, these fuckers are lying.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

That President FDR himself, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, pardoned George Dale personally on December of 1933. Three.

[Wife]

Hell, yeah.

[Husband]

But even with all of this. This whole event destroyed any chances of Dale getting anything done as the mayor of Muncie at Ill. Georgedale continued writing for the remainder of his life. After his term as mayor from 1935 through the spring of 1936, he continued to write and he continued to fight against the Klan and hypocrisy. His death was met with probably the most flattering and lengthiest piece about him in the evening press. And other obituaries were written. Flowering obituaries in the New York Times, Chicago Tribune and Time magazine. Nice he was at this point. He went from reviled in 1922 to a hero in 1936 with everything else he went through. When asked about his motivation, his oldest son Bud, said, quote, he simply hated hypocrisy. He hated it.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And that was the explanation I've decidedly held on to. His youngest son, Jack, stated at one point that hypocrisy wasn't the motivation. No, the motivation, the original driving force, was money.

[Wife]

Wait, what?

[Husband]

It was money.

[Wife]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Husband]

When George got to Muncie.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

He realized everyone else was basically a Klan newspaper.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

So there was a. No one was taking.

[Wife]

There was an open market.

[Husband]

There's open market.

[Wife]

Got it.

[Husband]

For people who hated the Klan. There was an open market for Irish and Dutch and other immigrants. There was an open market for black people to read this. And he was like, well, fuck it. I'll just sell newspapers to them. And then the fucking clan was like, hey, fuck you. We'll kill you. And he was like, bitch, what? You're gonna threaten my job? And before you knew it, he entered into a stubborn fight for the next decade with the Klan, because it wasn't until his livelihood was threatened that it became rare for him to back down. And so they literally said, even with my surviving family members who were just a couple generations close to the story, we still, like, don't quite know what the real thing is. But I really do believe that's probably what happened and the reason why. I think I know why that's what happened, Mrs. P. Because we have to give shout outs to our Patreons.

[Wife]

I mean, I wasn't gonna say that. Sometimes you just need to yell into the night about things, and then people have a subscription to that yelling.

[Husband]

Yeah. Sometimes you also. Sometimes people subscribe to support the yelling.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

And then sometimes you get sent a series of threats because you yell at too many things and it becomes a feedback.

[Wife]

Sometimes people try to sue you about it.

[Husband]

And sometimes people do, or they at least send you a Cease and desist. Yeah, Better help. But the. Mrs. P. Yes, I think I. I just wanted everybody to know about this story.

[Wife]

I'm obsessed. This story. This is so good.

[Husband]

Yeah. Well, the reason why is, like, this article. Like, when I heard about this, I talked about a little bit. You know, at the beginning of the episode, I was really, really depressed. I was in a really, really bad state the last couple months and just trying to figure out. But between George Dale, John Brown and others, I've been starting to realize that, like, we've been through all of this before as Americans. As Americans.

[Wife]

Americans have survived this. They've beaten it. There has people that have been. Thrived. Have thrived. I don't know thrived. I was thriving, whatever.

[Husband]

But, like, they're thriven.

[Wife]

Thriven.

[Husband]

That's.

[Wife]

That's what my brain was doing.

[Husband]

It was like, no, I made up a word. I made up that word.

[Wife]

But no, that my brain was making it up, too. Yeah, but so this idea of, like, not feeling defeated because we're there, because there's so many people in power that we disagree with and all this stuff, like, we. We. There are these little lights that are like, no, this can be done.

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

And that's what got you out of bed, like Willy Wonka's grandpa.

[Husband]

It was just one of those things of just, like, seeing. Yes. You can see that. The hard times.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

But, like, I think there is something about believing that you would never face it is. Yeah, sure. Did our parents face it? Did our grandparents have to face this? No, no, not in this way. Maybe. But the thing is, actually, with my grandparents, maybe they did. They just didn't talk about it because they thought it was done.

[Wife]

And so, like, okay, there it is.

[Husband]

We're through these generational waves, and we like to pretend that the evil thing and the bad stuff will never happen again, which is what opens it up for it happening. So we have to go look back and we. And the thing I want to point out to everyone is that a lot of this research was done through a local library and through the. The help of librarians. So, once again, the best way to battle fascism, racism, and just the doldrums of life.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

Is to make sure that you're being connected to your local library and making sure that you are supporting people inside your community by making sure that these options are available for everyone.

[Wife]

Yes.

[Husband]

And with that, Mrs. P, we want to thank the people who are making this podcast available to everyone, and that is our Patreon members [e-mail]. Let's give some shout outs. And I swear I am not gonna sell this subscription list.

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[Husband]

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[Wife]

Your brain started. Yes, we've been. We've been going a little long.

[Husband]

I've been going a little long and I have to. And I have to go run to another interview here in a second. So let's go ahead and get through. Not get through, but let's go ahead and give shout outs to the people who deserve the shout outs the most. The people who give us money. Okay, starting out, we have Dakota Lannan.

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Then we have underscore Mr. Underscore Peas. Underscore rage. Underscore at. Underscore the Underscore Shitty Underscore state. Underscore of. Underscore the underscore us underscore Mr. P's rage at the shitty state of the U.S. yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then finally, okay, we have my Underscore high Underscore school. Underscore financial.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Underscore literacy.

[Wife]

Yeah.

[Husband]

Underscore class. Underscore was Underscore. Just underscore a. Underscore Dave underscore Ramsey_ DVD_ set. My high school financial literacy class was just a Dave Ramsey DVD set. And, oh, my God, roasted on the Internet right now. Getting ripped right now. For those of you guys who don't know on TikTok, especially Dave Ramsey has a clip where he says that he doesn't actually own his homes.

[Wife]

Well, no. Somebody wrote in and was like, how can. How is you owning all this property during a housing crisis? Not greed as described in the Bible?

[Husband]

Yeah.

[Wife]

And he went in this whole thing about how, oh, it's not greedy and I don't own these.

[Husband]

Yeah, he's. He's actually my. I'm holding it on behalf of God.

[Wife]

Yeah. Okay.

[Husband]

Are you holding that steward on behalf of God?

[Wife]

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Husband]

Yeah, yeah. Because that was what Jesus preached about possessions.

[Wife]

Yeah. That's what he loved.

[Husband]

So with that, Mrs. P. Yes. I think. Come here. I just want everyone to write, George Dale was a great man.

[Wife]

George Dale was a great man.

[Husband]

Put that in the comments.

[Wife]

I never knew who he was before this. And I'm so happy I know who he is now.

[Husband]

Me too. And I'm gonna make sure that I get some of these hyperlinks down there. And thank you so much to Sad beige.

[Wife]

Thank you. Sad beige.

[Husband]

Sad beige. Thank you so much for your research on this one. And the quick turnaround. Yeah, it was incredibly quick turnaround. I think once she got into the topic, she was like, this guy rules. This guy rules. So thank you guys so much. Thank you to everybody who's a patreon and a listener and a subscriber and a viewer and a watcher and all those things. All those things together here at Pearlmania 500. Too many frauds and too many scammers that we wish weren't real. Too many cons and too many strangers, spammers. And we're starting to feel like we've got too many tabs. Open it. Too many tabs. Remember to smile.

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