No Goodwill In That Place | Too Many Tabs Podcast

Summary

Episode Title: No Goodwill In That Place | Too Many Tabs Podcast
Release Date: January 12, 2025
Hosts: Pearlmania500 (Pearl) and Her Husband
Duration: Approx. 90 minutes

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Introduction

In this episode of Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500, Pearl and her husband delve deep into the operations of Goodwill Industries, uncovering unsettling practices within one of America's largest nonprofits. Fueled by frustration over overpriced thrift items, particularly a Target Mossimo shirt, the couple embarks on a week-long research journey to expose what they perceive as systemic issues within Goodwill.

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The Goodwill Investigation

Timestamp: [12:06] – [22:14]

Pearl initiates the discussion after an upsetting experience at Goodwill, where she was charged $15 for a worn-out Mossimo T-shirt—a price higher than its original sale. This observation sparks their investigation into Goodwill's business practices.

Key Points:

• Founding and Mission:

  • Pearl: "Reverend Edgar Helms started the first Goodwill in 1902 at the Morgan Methodist Chapel in Boston, aiming to help unemployed and impoverished individuals by mending and repairing discarded goods."
  • Mission Statement:
    "Goodwill works to enhance people's dignity and quality of life by strengthening their communities, eliminating their barriers to opportunity, and helping them reach their full potential through learning and the power of work."

• Organizational Structure:
  Goodwill operates as a network of over 150 autonomous organizations worldwide, each tailored to its community's specific needs. However, this decentralization raises questions about consistent adherence to the overarching mission.

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Critiquing Goodwill's Leadership and Board

Timestamp: [22:14] – [39:24]

Pearl and her husband scrutinize the backgrounds of Goodwill's CEO and board members, highlighting potential conflicts of interest and questionable affiliations.

Notable Observations:

• CEO's Background:

  • Host 2: "Steve Preston, the current CEO, formerly served under George W. Bush and later under Obama as the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. His extensive ties to the oil industry raise concerns about his commitment to Goodwill's mission."

• Board of Directors:

  • Host 2: "Members like Craig Nunes from Halliburton and Beverly Jackson from Zillow bring corporate interests that may not align with Goodwill's foundational goals."
  • Host 1: "It’s alarming that a nonprofit focused on aiding the needy is governed by individuals from industries known for environmental and social controversies."

Quote:
"We are just other employees of Goodwill on the board," lamented Host 2, questioning the integrity of the leadership.

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Minimum Wage Exploitation and Disability Issues

Timestamp: [39:24] – [56:04]

The hosts uncover alarming wage practices within Goodwill, particularly concerning employees with disabilities.

Key Findings:

• Section 14C Loophole:

  • Host 2: "Goodwill has exploited Section 14C of the Fair Labor Standards Act, allowing them to pay disabled employees below minimum wage. Investigations revealed some workers were paid as little as 22 cents an hour."

• Real Stories:

  • Sheila Leyland's Story:
    "Sheila, a blind employee, was earning $3.99 an hour. When her performance metrics failed her, Goodwill reduced her wage to $2.75, forcing her to quit for a living wage," explained Host 2.

• Safety Concerns:

  • Multiple fatalities involving disabled employees working with hazardous equipment, with Goodwill frequently downplaying these incidents and retaliating against whistleblowers.

Quote:
"They call themselves leaders in providing opportunity for the disabled. But since when did opportunity look like a quarter an hour?" — Sheila Leyland

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Financial Mismanagement and Lobbying Against Reforms

Timestamp: [56:04] – [73:34]

Pearl and her husband explore Goodwill's financial practices, including lobbying efforts and misuse of funds.

Key Points:

• Executive Compensation:

  • Regional directors and CEOs earn approximately $438,000 annually, starkly contrasting with the minimum wage earnings of store employees.

• Funding Allocation:

  • The majority of Goodwill's revenue from thrift sales goes towards administrative costs rather than directly funding community programs.

• Lobbying Efforts:

  • Goodwill actively lobbies against raising the minimum wage and seeks to maintain loopholes like Section 14C to sustain low wage payments.

Quote:
"Goodwill actively lobbied for years against proposals to repeal or alter Section 14C," highlighted Host 2, emphasizing the organization's resistance to fair wage reforms.

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Pros and Cons of the Nonprofit Sector

Timestamp: [73:34] – [86:43]

The hosts reflect on their personal experiences within the nonprofit sector, acknowledging both its benefits and inherent flaws.

Pros:

• Job Training and Opportunities:
  Nonprofits like Goodwill provide job training, resume writing, and employment assistance for marginalized communities.

• Student Loan Waivers:
  Employees can benefit from programs that help alleviate student debt, making nonprofit roles attractive for gaining experience.

Cons:

• Exploitation and Inequality:
  Despite their missions, many nonprofits exhibit significant disparities between executive compensation and employee wages.

• Dependency on Grants:
  Critical programs are often funded by government and private grants rather than the revenue generated from their operations.

Quote:
"Nonprofits should provide opportunities, not traps to keep people in poverty," asserted Host 2, advocating for systemic changes within the sector.

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Concluding Remarks and Call to Action

Timestamp: [86:43] – [90:10]

Pearl and her husband conclude the episode by urging listeners to take action against exploitative nonprofit practices.

Key Takeaways:

• Lobby for Policy Changes:
  Advocate for the elimination of loopholes like Section 14C and support raising the minimum wage to ensure fair compensation.

• Support Direct Aid Over Corporatized Nonprofits:
  Encourage direct assistance to those in need rather than funneling funds through large, potentially exploitative organizations.

Final Quote:
"Raise the minimum wage and change the rules around nonprofits. That's where the energy is," urged Host 1, encapsulating their primary call to action.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• [25:50] Host 1: "So 4.3 billion pounds is 1.95 billion kilograms."
• [32:14] Host 2: "Because what happened is, they had apps and websites like Poshmark where resellers bought bulk from thrift stores and doubled the prices online, causing inflation."
• [45:40] Host 1: "It's not just me. All Goodwill employees deserve the same."
• [54:32] Host 2: "The Biden Harris administration proposed a rule to phase out Section 14C by gradually ceasing sub-minimum wage payments to disabled workers."
• [62:10] Host 2: "Walmart through their funding of this nonprofit paid me a living wage technically. They paid me just barely, just 20 cents below the qualifier for food stamps."

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Conclusion

In "No Goodwill In That Place," Pearlmania500 and her husband provide a thorough critique of Goodwill Industries, spotlighting wage exploitation, inadequate safety measures, and questionable leadership practices. Through meticulous research and personal anecdotes, the hosts advocate for significant reforms within the nonprofit sector to ensure that organizations truly serve their intended communities without perpetuating systemic inequalities.

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Transcript

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One of the best.

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Yeah, it's on Hulu. I read the book two years ago, and I liked the book, but I didn't. As you were watching the show, I was like, ah, it's not as entertaining as the book was.

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Yeah.

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And the thing about me is I'm. I'm a dnf. If I don't like something, I'm not wasting my time. I turned it off and I went and did something else.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I was like, you. You don't like it.

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But also, it would not even be.

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Then I literally went and did the dishes. Doing the dishes seemed more fun than watching me into that Amy Adams movie.

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No, no, no, Because I already told you the book. That was before book club, when I would just finish a book, close, and go, guess what? Everything I just read. Yes. Wait, do you want to get this episode started?

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah. Okay, so two things. Number one, we're gonna record a vibing with the food moron this month. And I wanted to put up a suggestion post on Patreon about, like, what. What recipes do you want to hear? And remember, this is vibing with a food moron. So, like, not a coq au vine. Okay. I'm not gonna try to explain to Alex how to make, you know, a crazy rack of lamb. Right. It's basic recipes that I want to explain to him how to make. Because again, he doesn't know how to cook anything but macaroni and cheese. That comes in a cup, pre made.

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That's what they say.

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I learned that term in the last episode of Vibing out with the Food Moron, which was about cookies. It was about chocolate chip cookies, and they've been. Yeah, the devil. We did deviled eggs. We did chocolate chip cookies. Those were both really themed around the holidays.

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The holiday sauce.

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Isn't a. I mean, I was thinking something about, like, making a really good salad because a lot of people are gonna start their health wellness journey stuff.

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And.

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We gotta keep each other warm.

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Yeah.

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Also, you just hate kale.

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I just don't like. I don't want leafy.

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We are going to put a post up on Patreon for everybody's suggestions and ideas of recipes that they would like to hear me explain to Alex.

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Yep.

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With the general Caveat being like, a simpler recipe. Like the idea of, like, cookies.

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We keep trying to keep them to 20 minutes, and then I keep making them 50.

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That's fine.

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Garlic grilled cheese. That sounds delicious.

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Yeah. Do you know how to make that?

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I mean, I could figure it out. You're just talking about, like, garlic bread that's on it, that's used to make a grilled cheese.

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Yeah.

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But also, I was in college.

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It might be.

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That's what it sounds like he did.

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Okay.

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So that's gonna be going up on the Patreon for end of the month and. Well, no, it'll go up after this episode post because we need to record the food morning before the end of the month.

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No, I know. That's what I mean. The food. More an episode is gonna go. Listen, this intro is already far too long.

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We're fine.

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I know. No, I'm announcing to them that we're ending. To the peoples.

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Oh, okay.

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To the peoples out there. To everyone listening to all the Pearl Maniacs. The intro is now done. We are gonna now begin the episode.

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Yeah.

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And Mrs. Pearl Mania has promised me a wild ride of things that I am not ready to accept, expect, or believe.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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I'm. I'm.

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You don't even know what the topic.

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I've been never been more ready in all my.

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Because this is going to be the best episode. Honestly, I don't like that the bar so high.

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I love that the bar is high because I have faith in you to make the jump.

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Thank you. So, okay, the episode today is actually going to be about Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 1]

Goodwill?

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Yeah, the thrift store.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, we're Goodwill hunting.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, we're Goodwill hunting right now.

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Oh.

[Podcast Host 2]

So here's what happened.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay. What had happened.

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I went to Goodwill. Not well. Right before the sickness.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

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Became me.

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We can just say mid December.

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And I was looking through the Goodwill, as I do, and I found a shirt that was a Target Mossimo shirt. And that's like from 2008. They don't even make that brand.

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Yeah. I loved Massimo from Target.

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Yeah.

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That was their old imprint. It was like the Target in House thing. And they changed. I don't know why they changed it.

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They changed it. But the it was a Mossimo T shirt that looked like it had been worn 100 times and washed 150 times.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like, worn out. And it was priced at 15. And I said, that's more than when that thing was fucking sold.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And the. The cost of a Mossimo T shirt secondhand has not appreciated. It has depreciated.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I got really upset. And, like, this is a thing I've been seeing online as well, is a lot of people have been getting really upset because all the Goodwills are pumping their prices really high.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And my whole thing is all your inventory is free. Everything. You're getting someone put out back for free. And you didn't even wash it.

[Podcast Host 1]

And oftentime you complained about it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because I can't tell you how often I pulled up to a Goodwill with a giant sign that says, not a dump.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Don't leave here in last person.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. And I'm like, I'm gonna.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, everyone does. And they'll have a big sign like, you're on camera. Like, oh, yeah, sorry for your free inventory, dicks.

[Podcast Host 2]

Your free inventory is going right here.

[Podcast Host 1]

And, like, I understand. Yeah. I understand the. The people who were there. And it is rude, but.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. But I just drove all the way over here with three garbage bags and a baby stroller that doesn't fit the baby anymore. So you're gonna take it.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And there's always somebody out there anyway. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

I will say. Can I say something that is a good wrap up of our entire marriage.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

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And then we can end our marriage.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay, great.

[Podcast Host 1]

When we first started dating, there was. You were really into thrifting.

[Podcast Host 2]

Still am.

[Podcast Host 1]

You still are.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

But it was also. It was 2012.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 1]

And thrifting was becoming popular. Like, so annoying. It was that there was that song, remember, by the guy Macklemore.

[Podcast Host 2]

Macklemore, really?

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm going to some bad. Yeah, the thrift shop song.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

That was everywhere.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And Buffalo Exchange started popping up, and we were in a very hip neighborhood. And then before you knew it, like, everybody was like, thrifting, and it was becoming a thing. And then pop resellers and all this different stuff started happening. And I looked at you back then, and I'm like, we. We don't need to go to a thrift store, you know, like. Yeah, but I like getting certain things here, and it's fun to do the hunt. I'm like, yeah, but I'm also really concerned about how many people who don't need to go to the thrift store are going to thrift stores now because you know what poor people can really deal with. And you're like, what? I'm like. Inflation of thrifted goods.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host 1]

And it just drove me insane. And that was 13 years ago.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, exactly. And so you're absolutely right. What happened is.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, wait, I'm going to capture that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay.

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Can you say it again?

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Nope.

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I. What? How do I. How do I snip?

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You can't.

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How do I.

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We're live recording. You'll have to go back and do it later. Did you write down the timecode?

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Oh, I should. What is it, 30 minutes and. 30. About 13 minutes and 25 seconds. And Mrs. Pearl Mania said that I'm absolutely right and I have it on tape on. I already said. I already.

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I thought you just said we were getting a divorce. What's that gonna be useful?

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No, hold on.

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Hold.

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It's gonna be useful in the divorce.

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In the court.

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In court. I'm gonna show it to the judge, and the judge would be like, never been heard of before.

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Never.

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But also, I just want to say I. I called this episode like a home run before it even started. Didn't even know the topic. What I say, greatest episode of all time, Most chaotic of all time. What has happened? We've already hit a home run. We're only 13 minutes in. We're already 13 minutes in, y'all.

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And the episode.

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You know what? I just want to thank our sponsors, all of them.

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So, okay, so you're right, because there were apps and websites like Poshmark and stuff, which people started reselling bulk from thrift stores.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So they would go in and buy anything and everything they could grab, and anything good, anything that looked good or clean, they would take. And so then they would, you know, double the price online. And it was. So it really did cause thrift store inflation, which I understand. And I can still be mad about it because they're still getting the inventory for free. And so what happened was I was upset about it, and as the NyQuil was wearing off, I decided to go down a hole of the Internet to try to figure out some stuff about this goodwill situation. Okay. And so I want to. I want to tell you about Goodwill and what I found, basically. So there's this guy, Reverend Edgar Helms. He, in 1902, at the Morgan Methodist Chapel in Boston, started the first goodwill.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay. Yeah, 1902.

[Podcast Host 2]

1902 was when the Reverend Helms started.

[Podcast Host 1]

The first goodwill Reverend Ed Helms.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yep. Edgar.

[Podcast Host 1]

Ed. Ed Helms from the hangover.

[Podcast Host 2]

So Helms and his congregation used to collect used and discarded household goods and clothing from wealthier areas of the city. Which. Edgar gets it. Because I always used to go out to the nicer neighborhoods.

[Podcast Host 1]

You still do.

[Podcast Host 2]

I know. You're right. I do.

[Podcast Host 1]

You do it now through Facebook Marketplace.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's true. I geolocate through Facebook Marketplace.

[Podcast Host 1]

You do. I know it's the most. Dude, it's the smartest thing I've ever seen. Is what Mrs. P does is she goes on Facebook Marketplace, she drops her pin. I wish we had a VPN sponsor because God damn, I'd be using it right now. Yeah, but because you actually, back in the day, you said the same thing about thrifting. Yeah. When we would come out, you were always excited whenever we come out to my parents house because you were like, oh, they're gonna have a whole different class of stuff. And. Yeah, it's the same thing.

[Podcast Host 2]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's how you got the caraway pots.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, caraway pots on Facebook Marketplace.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. For mad cheap, yo.

[Podcast Host 2]

And so this is what they would do. They would go out to the wealthier areas of the city and the suburbs and get the used and discarded items and then bring them back to Boston City Central. And the congregation trained and hired unemployed and impoverished people to mend and repair them. Can I tell you I highlighted that mend and repair goodwill you have fallen so far.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Mend and repair. I saw a CD disc player, a Discman with the top ripped off. It was just the bottom part had a tag on it. 699. The fuck am I going to do with a CD player got no top?

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, I can tell you what you can do. You can make a series of DIY sketches with your friends where you're a robot man living in the 90s.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. They don't clean the clothes. No, they don't mend the clothes. There are incredible. There's so many household items that are fucking broken in Goodwill right now.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And we'll get into why. But I. As soon as I read this, this is the opening sentence of that they mend and repair. That they mend and repair. And hired unemployed and impoverished people to mend and repair and then sell. Oftentimes they didn't sell, though. The products were redistributed to those in need. They would fix them, repair them, and then give them away for free.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because it was a church.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And they were doing the work of the Lord.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And they were Actually following the Bible of like, actually trying to help people.

[Podcast Host 2]

They're like, trying to help people.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Helping needy people.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't know about that anymore. I don't think that's.

[Podcast Host 1]

We should invade Panama. So in 19, they did that around 1902 as well. So I mean, like, I just. We're bringing it all back.

[Podcast Host 2]

In 1915, Helms hosted a visit at the Morgan Memorial by representatives of a workshop mission in Brooklyn, New York, to teach them about the innovative program and how they operated their goodwill. And they decided that they were going to work together and change the name to Goodwill Industries instead of what it was currently called, the Morgan Memorial Cooperative Industries and Stores Incorporated.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Okay. So they went. They were like, we're going to take it. We're going to take one of these old timey. Yeah, old timey. Goodwill, Morgan and Morgan and Sons type of thing.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. And we're going to make it Goodwill Industries.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Now just so real quick, now, if this was in 2012. So 2020. Wait, what year?

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2025.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay. If it was in 2000, they would have changed their name to G.I.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, right.

[Podcast Host 1]

It would just be G.I. but. Or if it was even more modern, they would be like giggle. Gah. Yeah, because you have to just be some word that makes no sense.

[Podcast Host 2]

It would be a Sparkle emoji.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm on he who Hai.

[Podcast Host 2]

Sparkle.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So currently, Goodwill Industries International is based in Maryland outside. Right outside of D.C. in Rockville. The Goodwill Enterprise is a network of more than 150 community based autonomous organizations in the United States, Canada and several other countries, including Brazil, Finland, Italy and more. They're all over the world.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

And so this is an important thing to understand that they are autonomous. So the Goodwill of San Francisco is not working with the Goodwill in Salt Lake City.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. So there is a guy at the top. There is a CEO who oversees all.

[Podcast Host 1]

Of them, but he may. So just oversees what, the branding?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, basically.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

But so the brand of Goodwill International, but the local Goodwills are run by their local autonomous community team or organizations. Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host 1]

So are they. Are they then franchises?

[Podcast Host 2]

It's very similar to a franchise.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because it's.

[Podcast Host 1]

Do they pay the corporate.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. It. I'm not going to say it looks like a pyramid, but it is a triangle.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, I mean, there's a hierarchical.

[Podcast Host 2]

There's a hierarchical structure.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

And there are CEOs. Like, there's a Los Angeles CEO, there's a Philadelphia CEO. Like, there's. But then there's the big CEO guy. Yeah, right. So just that's important to understand that they're each running their own joint.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. And that's important because they. Each group knows, if you will, what their community needs. So, like, the goodwill of, let's say Tampa is going to do different things than the goodwill of a city in Nebraska. Yeah, right. Because the people in Nebraska might need warm clothes and education about farming, but.

[Podcast Host 1]

The people in Tampa are like, hey, what do we need? More Jimmy Buffett.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host 1]

We need more Jimmy Buffett shirts. We need more Margaritaville. We also, you know what else we like? We like spring training baseball.

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Not paying taxes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Love not paying taxes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Wrestlers. We need a lot of wrestlers. We need the Panama Canal spring training, baseball.

[Podcast Host 1]

We already said that one.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, sorry. So I am.

[Podcast Host 1]

I am obsessed with the town. Because I do. I saw you pull all. I could see you with my eyes. Pull them all off to the top of your head.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And it was incredible. You're like San Francisco. Now she's gonna say Philly. And you're like, Utah. And I was like, salt Lake City. I was like. And then like, okay, well, here she go again. You're like Tampa. I was like, all right. Well, she did. She does default to Tampa a lot. I'm like, now she's gonna say Philly. And then you were like Nebraska. I like how you didn't say Omaha, by the way.

[Podcast Host 2]

I will so.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh. Oh. That's called foreshadowing. That's called foreshadowing.

[Podcast Host 2]

So again, they're trying the greatest episode of all day to meet the needs of.

[Podcast Host 1]

We might name it. Hold on. We might not even do the rest of this season. We. This. We might be two and done.

[Podcast Host 2]

Just listen to the season three. Just listen on repeat.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, yeah, we'll just edit this one up. First thing. First edit is just me. Just you. Just saying. He's right. He's right.

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Absolutely right.

[Podcast Host 1]

He's right. He's right.

[Podcast Host 2]

Pardon me.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm giving you. Listen, I'm making noises so you can cough off.

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Thank you.

[Podcast Host 1]

I know.

[Podcast Host 2]

You're so good. So to. What was I thinking of? Okay, so again, they're. They're designing programs and services of people that live. Now, I also went to the Goodwill's website and I pulled their mission statement. So as someone who works in the non profit sector, your mission statement is everything. The board of directors will have six months of meetings to make any edit to one word of a mission statement. Okay? A mission statement is the most important, fundamental thing to a non profit. Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. And Then your mission statement should say things like, we will turn you into the FBI.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Nope. Hey, so again. Oh, you know. And I'm gonna talk a lot of shit on Goodwill eventually on this episode.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I'm. I'm a consumer of Goodwill, and I understand they do a lot of good. And I do know that I'm also going to talk shit on nonprofits. And again, I. I'm a nonprofit worker. I have been supporting nonprofits for decades. I understand the pros and cons. And you know that there are certain nonprofit things I hate. I fucking hate certain things about nonprofits, and I might scream them into the night today. Yeah. So the mission statement.

[Podcast Host 1]

Anyone who's worked at nonprofits, they know. They know. Like, that's the thing. Okay, so this mission statement.

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The mission statement. Goodwill works to enhance people's dignity and quality of life by strengthening their communities, eliminating their barriers to opportunity, and helping them reach their full potential through learning and the power of work.

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The power of work.

[Podcast Host 2]

The power of work.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. So last year, £4.3 billion of goods were donated to Goodwill. £4.3 billion. Pounds in poundage.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay. Not British pounds.

[Podcast Host 2]

We're talking about vendors and shirts and pants pounds. 4.3 billion pounds of goods were donated to Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay?

[Podcast Host 2]

So again, free inventory.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, gotcha.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. Now, 50% of those donations were sent overseas to developing countries and. Or landfills.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

And that 50% that got sent overseas or oil to the developing countries, they still made a $50 million profit off of that. Okay.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

So that's. That's important. Right? We're still making profit even when we're destabilizing the textile industry of a developing country, you know?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

What are you pulling up right now?

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm trying to figure out how many kilograms that is. And.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, he's trying to do math.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm trying to do math, but it didn't put commas in. And so as I'm looking at it.

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I'm like, you can't do math on the Greatest episode.

[Podcast Host 1]

I know, but I'm trying because we have. We have international listeners.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay? Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay. And like, a lot of them. I don't know if I typed in 4.3 billion correctly, because. How many zeros. This is the thing is what I'm looking at when. When they have a number that doesn't have the commas.

[Podcast Host 2]

How about this? It's. It's been like 20 minutes. You want to take a little break and you can do the math? On our break.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

You're. You're right. Let's take a break.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm a podcaster.

[Podcast Host 1]

You are a podcaster. Let's take a break. I'm going to figure out this math because this. I'm really stuck on this.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, I know.

[Podcast Host 1]

And then you're talking about the outside. You take a little break now.

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Nice.

[Podcast Host 1]

So almost 2 billion kilograms. Yeah, I had a feeling it was close because it's 2.2 kilograms per pound. Yeah, but you know, it's just one of those ones I'm trying to. I'm. I'm not trying to use metric more, but I'm trying to keep metric in mind more often as we get disconnected.

[Podcast Host 2]

From the rest of the world, communism. So the current CEO and president of Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

His name is Steve Preston.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

I looked up Steve Preston, wanted to know who is this guy?

[Podcast Host 1]

Who is Steve Preston?

[Podcast Host 2]

What's he doing?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 2]

He formerly served as the 22nd administrator of the U. S. Small Business Administration in 2006 and then was appointed the 14th secretary of the U.S. department of Housing and Urban Development from 2008 to 2009.

[Podcast Host 1]

So he was a small business administrator for George W. Bush.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

And then for two years under Obama. Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, sorry. 2008 to 2009. Okay. No, kept him. Okay. So he state he was a Bush appointee.

[Podcast Host 2]

He's a Bush appointee.

[Podcast Host 1]

Got it. George W. He's a lifelong Republican. Okay, Got it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Looked it up. Okay.

[Podcast Host 1]

I mean, I would assume so if you made it there. Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

So yeah. But again, Housing and Urban Development. Okay. His current salary as CEO of and President of Goodwill is approximately $729,000 a year.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Plus bonuses. And he has an incredibly huge benefits package.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

So approximation with all the benefits in the package. Probably a million dollars a year.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

To run a non profit that gets free shirts.

[Podcast Host 1]

Got it.

[Podcast Host 2]

So put that out there.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. So then again, me being a non profit girly, I was like, well, who's on the board?

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Right. So this is the kind of questions I always ask when I'm looking at a nonprofit.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Is like, who, who's the director? How much are they making? Because to me, having worked in nonprofit and also donating time or volunteering at nonprofits, I want to, I want to make sure that I'm working with someone who is taking a salary. That makes sense.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because like a CEO, they do have a difficult job sometimes in non profit specter.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Right. I understand. They need to make a decent amount of money. I get that. They have very stressful fucking job. I hear you. So, sure, you can make 100,000, $200,000 a year? Sure. Maybe a little more. Whatever.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

A million. I don't know. I don't know about a million also.

[Podcast Host 1]

But the other thing too is you have to do fundraising.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. You have to do fundraising.

[Podcast Host 1]

So. So for all of these, how many, how many hours have to be spent begging other people for money to pay this one person?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

In the nonprofit world.

[Podcast Host 2]

And you have to look at everybody else's salaries as well.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So like if this is how much the CEO is making, what's everybody else's salary?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So like a nonprofit I worked at in the past, the CEO made $200,000 a year, which is public information. All nonprofit salaries are as long as they're registered. 413C. They're. Everybody's salary is public. So you can see what your boss's salary is. If you work at a non profit. If you never, if you never knew that, you can go look it up and then you know. So like if the CEO is making 200,000, but then the next baseline employee, salaried employee, is making 70.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. That's not the craziest disparity I've ever heard.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's the disparity we used to have.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's the U.S. listen, you're talking about that. That's pre Reagan disparity.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, pre Reagan. So anyway, I want to look at the board of directors. So yeah, again, if you're not accustomed to non profit world, the board of directors are usually volunteers that sit on a board that make the decisions for how the nonprofits going to align themselves with their mission. Okay. They make hiring and firing decisions. They make decisions about where money is going to go. They help with the fundraising a lot. So I would. It's.

[Podcast Host 1]

And, and typically you want them to be somewhat aligned or at least in similar industries or communities as the people you're helping.

[Podcast Host 2]

So. Yeah, like I've shared before that the nonprofit that I work at is a law firm. Right. And all of the people on the board are lawyers.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

At other companies.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Right. So again, they're, they're in this idea. So when I think about a board of directors for a nonprofit, they are kind of like where you're getting, I don't want to say like your morals, but it's like it's.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, it is, it's, it's. I mean, it's where the, the thought process is coming from.

[Podcast Host 2]

They are the ones that really push a nonprofit forward because it's based on their decision making when it comes to where the money goes. So like the people on the ground, the frontline workers.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

They're really going to be the face of the, of the nonprofit.

[Podcast Host 1]

The frontline workers are the hands. The board of directors are supposed to be the brain.

[Podcast Host 2]

They're supposed to be the brain. And it's important for me personally to look at that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because I want to know what the brain's thinking.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So I went to Goodwill. I found their board of directors.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 2]

And it took a minute, by the way. It took a minute. They have it kind of hidden. But I found it.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because I'm a detective now. The President of. Oh, no, not the president. I didn't. I just pulled a few because all of them were weird.

[Podcast Host 1]

But all of them were weird.

[Podcast Host 2]

They were a little weird.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay. For Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 2]

For Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

So one of the ones I pulled was Craig Nunes. Now, Craig Nunes is on the board of directors for Goodwill. He is the current president and COO of National Resource Partners. So I was like, national Resource Partners? What's that? That is the largest. One of the largest businesses that works in the sector of the oil industry. Oh, Natural Resources Partners.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I looked at his bio on their website, and it says, craig Nunes experience spans five continents and every sector of the oil industry. His previous roles included senior vice president, President and Treasurer of Halliburton.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, so we have a George Bush. George W. Bush CEO and a Halliburton VP who is also now just deep, deep, deep, deep. On oil.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And that's good. Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

On the board of directors.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Again, just the mind. The mind of it. Okay, I found another one. Her name is Beverly Jackson, and she is the vice president of brand and product marketing at Zillow. Oh, at Zillow.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, Zillow.

[Podcast Host 2]

Who buy Zillow, which buys up houses.

[Podcast Host 1]

And uses algorithms to then drive up those houses. And then also.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay, yeah, also, I.

[Podcast Host 1]

So. So hold on. So we have a George W. Bush CEO, and then we have Halliburton, and for the oil and the Iraq war, and now we have the housing crisis.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, gotcha.

[Podcast Host 2]

But also, I went and looked at her bio. I stopped by her LinkedIn real quick.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And it said that Beverly Jackson was most recently at Twitter, where she oversaw global consumer marketing and brand teams, and she previously held executive positions at Activision Blizzard and MGM Resorts.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, I know to you when you're listening, you're like, Twitter bad. MGM Casinos bad. For me, Activision Blizzard is such a red flag.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because that is such an evil company who has done so much damage. Oh, my God. This is like a rogues gallery. This is Flash villains. Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

And then I found Dale Jenkins.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, Dale. Wait, this name seems familiar. I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with. He sells cigarettes to kids.

[Podcast Host 2]

No.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh.

[Podcast Host 2]

He currently works as the. I think it was like, co CEO of. What's it like? A consulting firm that works with the worst companies in the world. Because before that, he was the global partner in development at Walmart for like 30 years. He retired from Walmart and now he works as a consultant. Oh, yeah. And this company that is the consultants for, he is the Guy for their Walmart team.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm not wrong.

[Podcast Host 2]

I know.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like, he sells cigarettes to kids.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

I. Hold on.

[Podcast Host 2]

Allegedly. Yeah. Thank you.

[Podcast Host 1]

Gotcha, Dale.

[Podcast Host 2]

Gotcha.

[Podcast Host 1]

Gotcha, Dale.

[Podcast Host 2]

Allegedly.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, but also, like, it's also yet retired. I forgot that's the other part too. Because when I worked in I in companies and I had to do stuff with the board of directors, oftentimes they were near retirement or had recently been retired because this is what they do with their ex, you know, with their experience.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And they're fun. So. Okay, so you've. So far you've listened to me like you. You haven't listened.

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Three. Just three.

[Podcast Host 1]

Just three.

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Way more than that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And so are there any, like, church leaders in.

[Podcast Host 2]

I didn't find any.

[Podcast Host 1]

Is there anybody who is, like, cares about poor people?

[Podcast Host 2]

Didn't find any. I. I pulled these three out of. I was just like looking at the list of sports and randos and what I noticed with a lot of people on their board are CEOs of different goodwill districts. So, like the goodwill of Manhattan.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

The New York City CEO is on the board. And I thought that was weird because usually employees aren't allowed to be on the board. So I was trying to. I was trying to figure out how they navigate that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

But I also didn't want to fall down a hole of like, just looking into that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well. Yeah. Yeah. There might be some sort of weird.

[Podcast Host 2]

They might have some loophole.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

But so a lot of people are just other employees of Goodwill on the board. So I went to people that weren't employees and I started pulling them.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And so that's just three. That's just a smattering of them. That's. I just wanted to pull out three.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because again, this is where I was saying my tinfoil hat was coming in. I was like, this is fucking insane.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Why is the big. One of the biggest non profits in the world one of the non profits that is about providing consumers with low cost goods.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Why is everybody behind it? Some of the worst people allegedly in the world.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hit that. Allegedly. Just based on where they worked.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Based on their past.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

These.

[Podcast Host 2]

They don't have employment. Employment. Not their past, just their employment history.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

They're linking.

[Podcast Host 1]

They have, they have the. They have. They have villain resumes. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I was just like, why are the. Why are villain resumes running? The Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's crazy.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's pretty nuts.

[Podcast Host 2]

So, okay, so we're talking about. That's the board of directors that's the CEO.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Right. Staff. Most of the people that work at Goodwill, in the stores, in the warehouses, they make minimum wage for their state. They are a minimum wage employer almost entirely across the United States of America.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

There's some people, like, you know, managers that make a little bit above.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

But across the board, whatever state you're in, that minimum wage, that's what you're getting paid.

[Podcast Host 1]

Which means in Pennsylvania, it is, what, $7.25 an hour. $7.25 an hour.

[Podcast Host 2]

And so, like, that's the disparity, though, talking about. It's like if the person that's working in the register at Goodwill is making $7.25 an hour, but this.

[Podcast Host 1]

They have to work two hours. No, they had to actually work three hours.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because of taxes. To be able to afford a dirty Massimo Target T shirt at Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. To buy from their employer.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And the CEO has a million dollar package.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's crazy disparity.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like that. Non profits and again, but also work to alleviate disparity.

[Podcast Host 1]

But their revenue is based on free.

[Podcast Host 2]

The revenue is free.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's my mind when I tell you. I got so mad.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So mad. So.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because again, too, this isn't a Salvation Army.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

This isn't also one of these other type of a lot.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I've got issues with.

[Podcast Host 1]

Listen, we do. Because I'm saying those, those, those. Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

I was gonna say is I do have issues. Salvation Army. They're hyper religious and they do some weird stuff. For sure. However, I will say part of my cough right now is that when there is a crisis, oftentimes the Salvation army shows up.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

So, like, I've worked on frontline crisis situations and when I was like, setting up tables, Salvation army is there to help people. Salvation army shows up in crisis situations.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Goodwill does not.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes. Now, is Salvation army also homophobic, transphobic, and have also a lot of religious crazy? Overdose. Yes, 100%. However, the other thing, though, is Salvation army and a lot of these other places, they run their thrift stores as a way to underwrite their other missions.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host 1]

Does Good. Does Goodwill have another mission?

[Podcast Host 2]

So the mission. I read you.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

The Goodwill stores are part of the mission.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

So they're part of the mission. They provide jobs for people that need them. Right.

[Podcast Host 1]

Minimum wage jobs.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm getting. So they provide jobs for people that need them in air quotes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because you have to. Because they need. They need salvation through work.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm getting there.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

The other thing that Goodwills also Do is some of them, not all of them, because again, each one gets to do. Decide what they're going to do. Some of them have schools. Some of them have, like, programs where you can go learn how to be a chef. Some of them have their funding education. They're funding different programming in your local communities. So there are some Goodwills where, like, the money that's coming in, the revenue that's coming in from the store, from all these free goods is being used to fund these schools and education centers and places that help people that are low income with job placement and job training and resume writing and learning English if they're not a native English speaker, stuff like that. So there, there are certain Goodwills that have these programs that are. The. The funding is coming from the store. Okay, okay, we'll get into that. I'll come back to that. We're jumping a little ahead of me.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

So. But again, the. Most people at Goodwill are making minimum wage at. That their state has issued. Yeah. Now, most people that work at Goodwill are veterans, people experiencing hardship, and people with disabilities. Okay. And I do want to point out that Goodwill has come out as their. Their team of their communications team has come out against raising the minimum wage.

[Podcast Host 1]

Goodwill has come out against raising the minimum wage.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Their CEOs have made statements locally, they may or may not have lobbied different states in Congress. States in Congress that they don't think the minimum wage should be raised.

[Podcast Host 1]

Goodwill. Goodwill, the thrift store.

[Podcast Host 2]

Mm.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm gonna pop some tags.

[Podcast Host 2]

That pays minimum wage. They don't think we should raise minimum.

[Podcast Host 1]

They think the minimum wage. They think the minimum wage in Pennsylvania of 7, 25 an hour.

[Podcast Host 2]

Sharon Durbin, President and CEO of Lincoln Goodwill, a Springfield based organization, runs 15 thrift stores. And she drew fire from state officials after she told workers employed under the vocational program for people with disabilities that they were all losing their jobs. She cited that the planned pay hike, which slated to climb the minimum wage up to $15, as the reason they were all being laid off. And again, as a nonprofit, this organization doesn't pay the same amount of taxes. They get, you know, state funding. And also, I don't know if you know this, under federal rules, they don't have to pay disabled workers minimum wage.

[Podcast Host 1]

What do you mean?

[Podcast Host 2]

So there is this Fair labor act. In the Fair Labor Standards Act, I should say there's a section 14C.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

And that portion of the act allows organizations to apply for a special certificate that allows them to pay a wage below minimum. And in 2013, NBC News actually did an investigation and found that many. Over 69 Goodwill franchises across the country had such certificates, sometimes paying less than a dollar an hour. NBC had to file a freedom of Information request to find out just how much those workers were earning. And it uncovered that at 14 locations, workers were making as little as 23 cents an hour. The disabled workers.

[Podcast Host 1]

Wow.

[Podcast Host 2]

So, again, the mission.

[Podcast Host 1]

The mission is to.

[Podcast Host 2]

To help disabled people have jobs and work.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And we're paying. They're at this time paying less than a dollar for this labor.

[Podcast Host 1]

Wow.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's fucking crazy.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. So I found a story of a person who used to work there.

[Podcast Host 1]

Real quick, though, you said that was from 2013. Is there anything that they've tried to change any of this or.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay, I'll tell you.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

So. But I did want to tell you this little anecdotal story.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So Sheila Leyland, a blind Goodwill employee in Great Falls, Montana, was earning $3.99 an hour. And that's fucking tough. That's messed up. But when the nonprofit decided they were going to cut her salary to $2.75 an hour, she decided she had to quit. I. She was like, I want to be paid a living wage for work. Her meaningful work. Yeah. She's been blind since birth, and she lives fully on disability payments. She's 58 years old. And she said, quote, it's not just me. All Goodwill employees deserve the same. They call themselves leaders in providing opportunity for the disabled. But since when did opportunity look like a quarter an hour?

[Podcast Host 1]

That's so crazy.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

But also the other thing, too, is that I know under federal labor laws that we actually suppress people who are on disability. They're not allowed to make over a certain amount of money.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

And I'm guessing Goodwill, since they've been saying that we shouldn't raise the minimum wage, they probably are also saying we shouldn't change that as well.

[Podcast Host 2]

So I don't know the ins and out of ss, DI and ssi. Social Security income. I do know that there are certain limitations to how much money you can have in the bank.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So, like, if you have too much savings, then you don't qualify for certain things.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I. There. There's such a.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's, like, savings and assets as well, which is why, like, I know. I know people who are disabled who, like, won't ever own a home because they have to stay in rentals because the. The government will say, well, sell your house then.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Exactly. Like, you need to give you Medicaid.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because it'll be like, oh, you get ssi, but you won't qualify for Medicaid. You need Medicaid to survive. Yeah, it's really. When you boil it all down, it's a trap. It's a trap to keep disabled people in poverty. Yeah, always. And so this is infuriating to no end. Like, I did not know this. And Leland's husband, actually Harold, he also worked at Goodwill, and he was making $5.40 an hour, which, again, is not minimum wage. There was a petition on Change.org that back then had gotten 150,000 signatures. The petition called on Goodwill to pay all of its workers at least minimum wage. So then NBC ran a television piece from Rock center with Brian Williams. Remember those?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 2]

And then also Salon and Huffington Post started reporting on this issue. And lots of organizations started getting eyes on the situation. And advocacy groups also started to be like, yo, this is crazy that you pay people less than minimum wage, less than a dollar in some places. So according to labor development documents dug up by NBC, Goodwill had paid workers in Pennsylvania as little as 22 cents, 38 cents, and 41 cents per hour. Now, Goodwill released a statement after all this, because again, they're getting. Everybody's doing stories about this.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And Goodwill released a statement saying that those ultra low wages figures are distorted because sometimes workers run into emotional or physical issues and don't finish their shifts and then wait for a parent or caregiver to arrive. In those cases, the Goodwill must still count the total amount of time the worker stays on the job, which translates to abnormally low hourly wage. That's what they're saying.

[Podcast Host 1]

So their. Their claim is, hey, some of these people freak out, and then we have to call. We have to call their parent or somebody, and while they have to sit there, we're not paying them.

[Podcast Host 2]

I guess so. Or like, if they're working an hour, we're only paying them for the 15 minutes they were working before the 45 where they freaked out.

[Podcast Host 1]

But that would still be. The hourly would still be the same.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, whoa.

[Podcast Host 1]

The math is a math.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, whoa.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm just, I'm just saying it's like the math is a math. And like, you get paid on quarter hours typically everywhere I've ever worked.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And then the people that you're describing with the anecdotal evidence, they were talking about making $3 and 58 cents or whatever, or even less.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

So, like, I. I know that they're. They're trying to be like, oh, well, that one extremely. They probably Have a list of, like, 300.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And then one of them said, 23 cents. Like, what? No, no, we have an explanation for that one.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like. All right. Gaslighter.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 1]

Which. That helps. That one guy was with Halliburton.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

He knows how to gaslight.

[Podcast Host 2]

Whoa. And he can get the gas fuel from our oil guy.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep, exactly.

[Podcast Host 2]

So since this information was outed by NBC, most Goodwill branches have divested themselves from these certificates from the. The labor I told you about.

[Podcast Host 1]

Stop doing stuff that's traceable.

[Podcast Host 2]

What? Disabled employees had to take tests, time tests, to see how quickly they could sort and hang racks of clothes. The garments must be facing to the left and top buttons fastened and separated into men's, women's, and children's sections. Goodwill wants workers to be able to hang 100 garments with no errors in 32 minutes. Quote, we can't do it that quickly because we can't look at a garment and see the size. This is Leland talking because she's blind.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

She says about her experience and her husband's. Depending on how slow the employee works, Goodwill lowers the hourly wage. So she had been making the $3, and then she got tested, because, again, these tests are required because disabled employees are evaluated every six months on productivity. So every six months, they have to redo this test, and if their productivity changes, their salary can be lowered. So she was making $3 an hour, and then she did this test, and they're like, well, we're only going to pay you $2.75 an hour because you made too many mistakes putting shirts on hangers.

[Podcast Host 1]

And she's like, I can't see. I'm blind.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm blind. And you're okay. Also, every six months is crazy.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

That CEO, I'm sure, only gets a yearly review from the board of directors.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. So you're getting a biannual review. Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

That can change how much you get paid hourly.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, I think. Here we go. The estimated base salary. I did write this down. Of the CEOs and top managers at the Goodwills, I think came out to about 438. 430,000 each. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

So that's the average across all the average.

[Podcast Host 2]

So some got a little. A little bit lower, some were higher.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. But around 400,000, which is basically, like, each regional director.

[Podcast Host 2]

Almost exactly.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Totaling more than $30 million in salaries. But, you know, she couldn't put the shirt in the hanger fast enough. Let's see. The Goodwill has come out and been like, guys, it's not that Bad. We're not really doing that. But here's the thing. Goodwill actively lobbied for years against proposals to repeal or alter section 14. Citizens, of course, of the act.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So they. Oh, this is something I forgot to write down when I was looking at their staff. So the staff that works under that CEO, they have a lot of staff.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like how about the top level?

[Podcast Host 2]

Top level CEOs, the executive suite, if you will. Yeah, they. They had a liaison to the federal government. It's one of the jobs.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And so they have a lobbyist. Google has a fucking lobbyist.

[Podcast Host 1]

Of course they do.

[Podcast Host 2]

That was saying don't raise minimum wage and don't get rid of section 14.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. You know what? They're not paying him $7.25 an hour.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. So again, the mission statement. I'm gonna read it to you again. Goodwill works to enhance people's dignity and quality of life by strengthening their communities, eliminating their barriers to opportunity and helping them reach their full potential through learning and power of work.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, they're really leaning on the end part there. They're really leaning on the power of work, the power of the whole barriers. Dignity, all that shit. That's out of there.

[Podcast Host 2]

No. On December 3, 2024. That wasn't that long ago.

[Podcast Host 1]

Nope.

[Podcast Host 2]

The Biden Harris administration proposed a rule that would do the following. Number one, cease the department's issuance of new Section 14C certificates starting on the effective date of the final rule to institute a three year period beginning on the effective date of a final rule for employers holding existing Section 14C certificates to gradually cease paying sub minimum wage to workers with disabilities, effectively phasing out section 14C.

[Podcast Host 1]

And I want to point out that was after the election.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And I'm guessing that's. Did they. They just proposed it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

It didn't change though.

[Podcast Host 2]

Not yet. It goes up, I think January 17th, actually.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, really?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, it goes up for approval on January 17 with.

[Podcast Host 1]

Where?

[Podcast Host 2]

With the Labor Department.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

So that'll then change.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. But if it goes through, it's still.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's a lock in.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay, it will lock in.

[Podcast Host 1]

But we might just invade Panama.

[Podcast Host 2]

Do you want to take a little break?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, let's just take a break. Because we got to invade Panama.

[Podcast Host 2]

And Green, we're not invading Panama.

[Podcast Host 1]

Green, I need to stress on how. We are definitely invading Panama.

[Podcast Host 2]

We're not go.

[Podcast Host 1]

We might not be.

[Podcast Host 2]

There's too many Skeetos. I'm not going.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, you might not be going, but.

[Podcast Host 2]

You keep saying we're doing it. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

As in the nation of America. Oh, well, okay. The American military. We'll be right back.

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We're back. Baby. Did you go feed the dog?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, I fed the dog.

[Podcast Host 2]

Have I had a couple lozenges.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Did my dad say the baby had a poop explosion?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 1]

I was like. I was like, how's everything? He was like, we had a little bit of a poop explosion down here.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I was like, not me, not me.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, wait, hold on. I have a button for that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Nice.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Okay, so you listed out all the horrors of 14.

[Podcast Host 2]

That was only some of the horrors.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, I said of 14C.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. About the labor thing, about the labor.

[Podcast Host 1]

Act and how we treat disabled people and how Goodwill specifically really took advantage of that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Because when. One thing I know about Goodwill I've always known because of their marketing, because of their branding, is that their whole thing is that they help disabled people.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. They help them get jobs.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. They help them get jobs. And they are like. But they also help them with job training and blah, blah, blah. Like, that's what I've always thought. And again, that's their marketing, their propaganda.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, the claim is. The claim is. And like, same as a lot of these. These things the same way when people talk about minimum wage jobs where. Oh, no, these are supposed to be temporary jobs. These are. These are stepping stone jobs.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

You know, no one flipping burgers. That's for teenagers. And it's like, no, no. Babes. Babies. Babies. That was for teenagers to fill in in the summer while the real workers took their vacations they could afford.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because you used to be able to live on working at McDonald's.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

You were never supposed to be. Oh, like a wage slave.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And that's exactly what.

[Podcast Host 2]

Listen, let me get on my. Oh, oh. Oh, my God. I forgot to tell you this. This is a crazy non profit insider knowledge.

[Podcast Host 1]

Sure.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. So this non Profit I used to work for years ago. I've talked about it on the pod before. Yeah. And I couldn't say too much because I had to sign an NDA when I worked there. That was still effective when I left.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

But they recently went bankrupt and closed, so I feel like that NDA doesn't even stand. Right. Like, if they're out of business, they can't get me and they got no money to sue me because they went bankrupt because their CEO fucked up the money. They got like a million, like a multimillion dollar grant, and it accidentally disappeared. Oh, schedule. So. But that nonprofit I worked at, right?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 2]

That went under due to financial mismanagement.

[Podcast Host 1]

This is the one where you worked at the call center, right? Yeah, I remember this one. I remember this one.

[Podcast Host 2]

That was a great one. 10 out of 10. So that job, what I did was I worked at this call center, and all day, every day, I helped people fill out the paperwork to apply for benefits. Yeah, Right. So people would call in and they'd say, listen, I think I qualify for food stamps. The paperwork's pretty difficult. And then I would help them fill out over the phone. And then the. The computer that I had would. Had, I'm sure what we call an algorithm. It would be like, hey, just so you know, you qualify for $100 in food stamps, you also qualify for liheap and potentially rent assistance, right?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I would tell them, and I'd be like, hey, I can fill out this paperwork too and submit the apps for you. Do you want me to do that? And so this sounds a lot easier than it was because a lot of times what I had to do was outbound calls. And I don't know if anybody's ever worked in a call center that had to do an outbound call. The hell I went through of me calling people and being like, hey, just so you know, you qualify for free food. And then they like, fuck you.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, I don't want no handout.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Oh, my God, the way people hated me for offering them heating assistance. You think I was the devil. So that company, though, one of our biggest, biggest financial supporters, the person that donated the most fucking money to our program was fucking Walmart.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I have yelled about this before, but when I found that out, I almost flipped my fucking cube to the.

[Podcast Host 1]

Point where they were actually putting Yalls cards in the welcome packages.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because Walmart has gone out of their way among with a lot, a lot of other major retailers to keep minimum wage suppressed.

[Podcast Host 2]

So when you get a job at Walmart you would get your welcome to work packet and in there would be our phone number because they knew they didn't pay you enough. You would need to call us to get food stamps.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 2]

And so, and depending on your snap.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. And depending on your family situation, your living situation. That was the one thing is the one thing that where the, the basis of this org. Because you and I talked about it a bunch.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And what the selling point to you on it was which did make sense. It does make sense. If you can get, if you are a benefit of needing heating assistance, you probably do need food stamps.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

And the thing is, is by making sure that you sign up as a person in need to all the programs that you have available to you that actually saves the state money in the long run. Because if you need food stamps but you can't, but you can't afford your heat, then your pipes are going to burst and then that's going to run down the property values and then suddenly the state's going to get like the area's going to let's property taxes, yada yada yada. It goes, it goes. There's a trickle down effect. So if everyone is actually taking advantage of the programs that they can get then that's great. It actually works out and it actually makes everybody on those programs do better. However, Walmart was like haha, we, this way we don't have to pay people shit.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, we can just the thing that would upset me.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Is they would. Walmart through their funding of this nonprofit paid me a living wage technically. Yeah, they paid me just barely, just 20 cents below the qualifier for food stamps. So they made sure that we couldn't apply for SNAP benefits. But we, but then. So I think it was like what, $13 an hour or something? Yeah, it was like $13 an hour I made. So Walmart was willing to pay me $13 an hour but not their employees at the Walmart store so that I could help their employees get SNAP benefits.

[Podcast Host 1]

Pay a hundred people $13 and then those hundred people can help 10,000 people qualify for government assistance. So Walmart doesn't have to pay.

[Podcast Host 2]

And then they would get money back.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, because they get a write off.

[Podcast Host 2]

They get a write off because they're.

[Podcast Host 1]

Giving money to a non profit.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh my God. When I found this out, I remember the day, I think I, I think I screamed during my exit interview about it.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, I remember the day. I remember you coming in and being like that place and because we, you had gotten a friend, you you were working there with a friend of ours and a few other things and you were just, you were explaining to me the one day and I was just like, yeah, man, it's seems pretty up. I don't know. I just got a job at a shoe store because you were out here. Like I finally convinced you to leave the restaurant industry and then you were starting to like try to find office jobs. And that was the whole point of that job for you was to like have office experience.

[Podcast Host 2]

I think it's important because again I, I said I was going to on non profits a bit in this episode and I have and I will forever. But there is a lot of pros to the cons. And one of the pros is that in the private sector to get certain jobs and experience, they call them internships and they're unpaid and that makes it so that people of lower income who don't come from money can't do it. Because I couldn't afford to do a fucking unpaid internship at the programs I wanted to work at. Right?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

But I could go work at a non profit and get paid to do the same type of work and get the office experience I needed.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So it was a gateway and that's what a lot of people use it for. Also people get. Well, before Biden just did all that relief for college student loan. There's a lot of people that if you work at a non profit you can get your student loans waived.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So there are obviously pros.

[Podcast Host 1]

But also at the same time those student loan waivers wouldn't need to happen if we just fixed student loans. Like it's, it becomes one of those ones. It is, it's complicated. No, it's complicated.

[Podcast Host 2]

Crazy.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's. It's complicated.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I'm not here to provide solutions. No, I just was trying to tell you.

[Podcast Host 1]

We're just here.

[Podcast Host 2]

I was on a lot of NyQuil and I was mad at the Goodwill about a mossy mo T shirt and I started deep diving into it and guess what else I found? I. This last. Okay, this last little bit of information I have is horrifying and terrible. And I listen, if you have triggers around death, maybe this last part. Okay, so in 2000, this is the thing. So I said the disabled people are being underpaid less than minimum wage. Also, Goodwill has an incredibly horrible issue with safety for disabled workers. In 2008, a 27 year old developmentally disabled worker was killed. He was crushed to death by a trash compactor.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh my God.

[Podcast Host 2]

And when they were ordered by the to pay $50,000 in fines, but their goodwill lawyers argued it down to 13,000. So they didn't pay the full amount. But then I was like, wait, what? And then I kept looking. There are so many of them. In 2014, a 69 year old man named Chuck Lee was crushed to death by a forklift. In 2017, a man named Abraham Garza also was. It was. I don't even describe it, but he was also killed while working and he was disabled as well. And so, like, they just keep having these issues and OSHA has been, you know, chastising them and fighting with them for years and they just don't listen. And so it's like one of the other things was that this guy Dave Goudie was a whistleblower and he had kept warning management about the dangerous conditions verbally and in writing. And he also reported them to OSHA and the estate's workplace safety agency. And he actually got fired when this guy died because he said, I told you that this was gonna happen. I told you this. Dangerous because he didn't get the proper training. Because apparently the training they received to run these forklifts and these trash compactors is like a 30 minute online training that then they have to get tests, but it's an unfailable test. Like you can't fail it. Oh, so it's like they're not getting this proper safety protocol, they're not getting trained vacations. And anytime people have like whistleblowed about it, they blame the whistleblower. So, like, when this one guy, Abraham Garza, died, Goodwill blamed Dave. And the guy, the whistleblower guy was like, it's his fault, blah, blah. And then Dave ended up suing them. It was a whole thing.

[Podcast Host 1]

Did he win?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, he won. He won.

[Podcast Host 1]

Hey, but so. And did they pay them $7.25?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, $7.25. Also, here's the last, most frustrating part. So I had said that the money that they make at the stores goes to funding goodwill, right? But that's not entirely true. The money they make at the stores goes primarily to pay administrative costs. Okay.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because the programs they run, the schools, the employer places, like the places to help people get employment, all those, like, programs that they run, statistically, most of them are funded by government grants or private grants. So they, their development team, their grant writing team, writes grants for government funding or private funding to pay for these schools or employment programs or retraining programs, and that's all being funded.

[Podcast Host 1]

I fucking love, I love the nonprofit industrial complex that Convinces us that this is from the benefits of rich people or people handing out money, only to find out that it's a giant con wash to just steal more tax money from other locations. Like, we could just be giving. We could. Hear me out.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

We could just take the money that is being put in these grants and not give it to Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And just give it directly to poor people. It's like with PPP loans.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

When Covid hit. And at one point, the Treasury Department wanted to just cut a check to every American during COVID and wanted to just give all of us money, blanket money, and be like, here's money, don't die.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Here's money stay home. And the government was like, no, no, absolutely not. Like the actual Congress. And the Trump administration was like, don't just give it directly. Are you fucking stupid? Give it to the business owners and rich people. Give it to them.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And then have them hand it out to their employees based on their existing salaries.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Podcast Host 1]

And at that point in time, I was working at a place where we actually were part of the handouts for ppp because it was done then through private banks.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Private banks had to underwrite these things through a portal quickly through the Small Business Associates Administration, which the CEO of Goodwill used to run. Yeah, right.

[Podcast Host 2]

I think his name was Steve.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. So the. This all happened. And so what would happen is you'd have these people who'd come in and they would write. And what was always very funny is normal people did not want to take too much advantage. They just want to get, you know, hey, I heard it's for like one quarter to cover one quarter of payroll or whatever.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And. But you would get these guys who are like a consultant, who's a lawyer, so. Well, my business has one employee, and it's me. And that employee gets paid $300,000 a year.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 1]

And they're going to be like, all right, well, we're going to cover the salary of your one employee, which is you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 1]

Here's $250,000 to cover three quarters of your. It was just like. And I would just sit there and look at a. Just like, we are fucked. And then they're like, yeah, but we can't do student loan. What about medical? No, we can't do medical. What about. It's just incredible.

[Podcast Host 2]

You know who got a PPP loan? Brittany Dawn.

[Podcast Host 1]

Of course she did. Because I bet. I bet if we went through these Goodwills. I bet the Goodwills went. I bet they went crazy with the people crazy. They probably went crazy with the ppp. And my favorite thing was during that entire thing was the fact that I was a essential worker.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. You had to keep going in the office.

[Podcast Host 1]

I was like, still? They're like, yeah, you still got to come in. I'm like, what? Like, you got to look at these tax returns. I was like, I'm going to.

[Podcast Host 2]

You have to make sure that you're in office putting yourself and me at risk.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So that these guys could scam the PPP loans.

[Podcast Host 1]

Not. And again, not everyone would know. Not. Most of the ones we looked at were not scams.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

There were huge, huge organizations, though I did print off at one point a report I had here somewhere about when they looked into the PVP scams. And we're talking about billions of dollars. A lot of them have been clawed back.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

But, like, it was getting to a point once people started to figure out.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

That a lot of them were using AI underwriters. Again, not where I was working.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

We had actual human eyes on it, but a lot of the bigger institutions were just pushing them through. And, like, some of the images they showed, like, guys raising fake IDs were like Barbie dolls heads.

[Podcast Host 2]

I know.

[Podcast Host 1]

It was so crazy. And they were just like, oh, they would just get we color right there. And they were like, it applied. It work.

[Podcast Host 2]

It worked.

[Podcast Host 1]

What do we, like, to the point where, like, some guys were like, listen, we're not pushing rock anymore. We're doing this ppp. It was nuts. And again, this is. This is major banks in. In New York and la.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. We just need to do mutual aid and help each other.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Get outside. Yeah, it's the Get Outside crew.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, it is. This is. Yet you had. You wanted to say this about coming up about getting outside.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, well, I was saying that this yesterday we were talking about the podcast and I was like, I just want to help people get outside. Because I feel like with what's going on with Metta, with everything that's going to happen with Zucky and then with TikTok being banned, people are going to feel, like, really isolated because their social media platforms are going to become almost unusable.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. And flooded and flooded.

[Podcast Host 2]

Flooded with psychos and AI and AI. And so I was like, it's about to be get outside 2025, where we have to, like, get outside, do stuff that is engaging with the community in a way that maybe you haven't.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm about. I mean, I'm going a step further. Congregate in groups yeah. Is kind of. And like, in person.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Is it's about, like, getting outside doesn't just mean being out and touching grass. It means actually, like going to orgs.

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, yeah, what I was thinking of when I was talking to you about, like, this episode being about the nonprofits and volunteer stuff. Because again, this is always like, in top of mind. Like right now, like, I've been doing research on, like, what we're going to do for Martin Luther King Day because, like, historically it's a day of volunteer work and service. And service. So, you know, what are, what are we going to do? Where are we going? And so I've been doing research about what's going on locally. And like, I think that's it. I think it's like, if you have the capacity, if you are able, like, this is a great time to start researching maybe what's happening in your local area for Martin Luther King Day's day of service. And like, getting out, getting out with the community. Because, like, like this, with this whole thing proves is that, like, certain people that are allegedly helping aren't.

[Podcast Host 1]

They aren't doing.

[Podcast Host 2]

They aren't helping. And like, we're all going to get. Social media is going to be a little weird. And so, of course, the podcast, obviously the smart podcast, is going to help you feel like you're having a good time, but also, like, getting out in community and being of service to the.

[Podcast Host 1]

Community and place and places where you can find that are your local library.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Oh, I was just about to say that. One of the things is I looked.

[Podcast Host 1]

Up because, like, your local library will have a board.

[Podcast Host 2]

What are you reading my mind right now?

[Podcast Host 1]

I know.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, you're reading my mind. Because I literally just looked up when the next board meeting is for our local library.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because I'm really concerned.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm not even talking about that board. I'm talking about at libraries, sometimes there'll be a community board. Like an actual pen, cork board.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, yeah. With all the stuff.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Also coffee shops, sometimes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Also our library has a board game night where you can go play board games.

[Podcast Host 1]

Board game night. But also, speaking of boards, they will also sometimes have message boards or they'll have a post board on their main website that you can go to again, because also, you know, Another thing for 2025, little bit of resolution, trying to look more at websites and not at social media. Going back to actually going directly to the website and not their Facebook or their Instagram or their Twitter or anything. And honestly, on a lot of web hosts out There for some people out there who maybe run the social media or they run. You know, are in their organization and like, oh, well, we updated that on Twitter. Be like, hey, just, you know, a lot of people left Twitter, so why do. And then talk to your people and be like, hey, why are we constantly chasing social media to social media instead of just using the website we have and then just putting posts on social media telling people to go to our fucking website.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And getting people used to going back to our website. Because I'm gonna tell you something right now. When if I had a problem with, like, the bank. If I had a problem with the bank, I'm not going to the bank's Twitter.

[Podcast Host 2]

No. I'm not going to the bank's Facebook page.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, no. You know where I'm gonna go? I'm gonna go to the bank or I'm gonna go to the fucking online banking portal and hitting customer service messages.

[Podcast Host 2]

I forgot to fucking talk about that, because I didn't even put it down. But one of the biggest investments Goodwill's done in the last five years is on their online portal.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. Because they basically run an ebay now.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. They used to just use ebay, but then they built out their own.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

So what they do is they pick through all the best stuff at Goodwill and they put it online.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Auction style.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, yeah. No, because I remember that. Because that. And again, that was what I throw me crazy with the Thrift Shop song. Because I. When I saw it starting to happen, when I saw it starting to happen, it drove me nuts because I was sitting there looking, and I was like, no, because one of the things that were great that. That is great about thrifting in general or any of this type of stuff is like finding that fucking golden egg, baby. You come around the corner, you're like, is that. Hold on. What? They have a fucking. Like a PS1 game. Is that crazy? Chrono Trigger. Are those for NES? Like, oh, my God. And now they're not anymore.

[Podcast Host 2]

They're online.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Now we found them and we've hidden them.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

We put it behind a portal. Yep. And it's probably algorithmically or AI priced and like, all this different stuff. But meanwhile, the blind person who picked it from the garbage pile is only being paid $3 an hour.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, well, 275. And. Whoa. No, what I was saying about the board was that I was looking up when the board of directors.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, the library board.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, the library board.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because I want to go. I Want to start going to the meetings because they're public.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm gonna keep an eye on this.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because libraries are deeply under attack right now, and I want to make sure I know what's going fuck on in my library.

[Podcast Host 1]

Not only libraries, but also I'm gonna.

[Podcast Host 2]

Be so busy on 2025. Once I'm better, once my voice doesn't sound like this. And I'm sorry. You've been listening to this whole episode. My voice sounds like this. But listen, this year, I'm going and doing shit.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm going to be out side.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Baby on hip. Yelling at people at board meetings.

[Podcast Host 1]

The only.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yelling at people at community meetings, city council meetings. I'm there.

[Podcast Host 1]

And at the same exact time, we're all.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because I said at the beginning, I'm staying. Fighting.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. And. And. And before we go through to our Patreon, where we close out this episode. No, no, it's. You're good. You're good. I just also want to remind everybody to just support Wikipedia just because Wikipedia is under attack and we'll talk about it.

[Podcast Host 2]

We personally support Wikipedia because we utilize Wikipedia. All of our episodes always start at Wikipedia. Like, no matter what my idea is, I'm like, all right, let me pull up their wiki page.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And then I work from there. Like, even Goodwill. I was like, okay, Goodwill. And the first thing I noticed is that it was called Goodwill Industries. And I was like, why is it called Industries? Yeah, that's crazy.

[Podcast Host 1]

I can't tell you how often where I've gone to Wikipedia. And then I've been like, oh, yeah, this company. Or whatever. And then I've gone to, like, the right side where they have a little column with, like, the baseline summary. And I'm like, what's that guy's name? And I just start clicking. And before I know it, I'm like, all right, babe, the moon is Nazis. And you're like, what? I'm like, don't worry about it. I'll be back. And then, same thing.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm like, oh, my God. Wait. I literally was just mad about this Mossimo shirt from before I was sick. Yeah, I was just. I got really mad about something. And then I was, like, just sitting there clicking, and I was like, wait a minute. He makes how much? Because first thing I got mad at that they used to fix the stuff.

[Podcast Host 1]

Mm.

[Podcast Host 2]

I was like, they used to fix it. They don't even plug in the lamps to make sure they work anymore.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, you could buy a broken.

[Podcast Host 2]

And then I got to the Fucking CEO. And I was like, wait a minute, the CEO? And I was like, well, who's the board? And then I saw the board was. And then now I'm here and I am pissed off. But the thing is, at the end of the day, I'm still not gonna say don't shop at Goodwill because people need to shop at Goodwill. It is still a low cost place to get things that you might need in your household.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And like, I'm still gonna go to Goodwill. Like, I love going there for like tablecloths and curtains and things like that that I can use sewing machine to fix.

[Podcast Host 1]

What we need to do and hopefully, who knows, I don't know, is to lobby the government, change things like this. 14C. And to raise the minimum wage and to change the rules around nonprofits.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

And to change the rules about administrative fees and to change these other things. That is where the energy is.

[Podcast Host 2]

Starting a nonprofit with the main mission to end all other nonprofits. It's called the nonprofit to end nonprofits.

[Podcast Host 1]

And with that.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's a joke.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, it's a joke. From a very funny show. I hear what show that was. There was one of those that popped up, which is my nonprofit mission.

[Podcast Host 2]

It was the lady's dying wish she had made a video.

[Podcast Host 1]

I know.

[Podcast Host 2]

I remember she donated all of the family's money, money to a trust to end good, to end non profits.

[Podcast Host 1]

But with that, we're gonna. We're gonna hit this a little.

[Podcast Host 2]

We're new shout outs, baby.

[Podcast Host 1]

And we're gonna bring back the shout outs. I think we got about 30 people who've been waiting about 30 days to hear their names.

[Podcast Host 2]

And you're gonna hear them in the best voice I've ever had in the.

[Podcast Host 1]

Best and the deepest. And. And there's gonna be so many from.

[Podcast Host 2]

The best episode, right? You said this was the best.

[Podcast Host 1]

This was. Honestly, I want to say it was chaotic. It was definitely chaotic. And this episode definitely had a lot of goodwill.

[Podcast Host 2]

Whoa.

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Expires in 6 months500.net we are back here for another fun time. Mrs. P. Dying in the background. Sorry and. No, it's fine. It's fine. They.

[Podcast Host 2]

People know. They got. They know I got the chicky pox in my mouth and my throat.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, they're almost gone, though. We're getting close. Honestly, this episode has helped you get a lot out.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's true.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. If you think about it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Emotionally, physically, spiritually.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, a lot of it. But let's go down this list here. I went through. Thank you for everybody who reached out. And if anybody remember, just reminder to everybody, if you have been prior patreon and you've left and come back, your name will not show up in our list. It only tells us that this benefit once. So we always look out for those. So if we've ever missed you, always, please send out a message. All right. And we're gonna go ahead and get started. Our first one we have here is Dominic Pesca Salido.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Lee Shea.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have. I underscore. Finally. Underscore.

[Podcast Host 2]

Caught.

[Podcast Host 1]

Underscore up.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hell yeah. Dude. That probably took forever.

[Podcast Host 1]

That probably did take forever. And we are going to look into how to. We recognize. We said we're going to think about resurfacing and. And all these other different things on how to do future episodes and bring back some old ones. After that we have Maxime Bale.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Guy living on a boat down by the Hudson River.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right, dude. Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, I gotta do that, right? Guy living on a boat down by the Hudson River. After that we have Lucia Clayton.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Ash.

[Podcast Host 2]

Ash. Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have little Clink. Hold on. After that we have little queen trash mouth.

[Podcast Host 2]

Nice. That's from Bob's Burgers.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, I know you love that one.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Jasmine Elizabeth Dissociating daily.

[Podcast Host 2]

Same babe.

[Podcast Host 1]

Aren't we all?

[Podcast Host 2]

Same. God damn.

[Podcast Host 1]

There's sometimes where I just look out and just stare.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. And I'm like, get back here. Help me change this poopy diaper.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have. Please underscore. Do underscore. N. Underscore. EP Underscore on. Underscore the underscore. Goodnight. Underscore Moon. Underscore author.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right, I'm gonna look into that. I hate that book.

[Podcast Host 1]

You hate that. But we have like three copies of it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Was. Everybody bought it for us at the Baby shower.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I was like, yo, this book is dumb.

[Podcast Host 1]

You hate. I don't know why.

[Podcast Host 2]

Saying good night to a bowl of mush.

[Podcast Host 1]

Because it's there.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. He's sitting in a room in the dark, and he's like, good night, bowl of mush. Good night, old lady. Good night, Mittens. Like, what. What kind of book is this?

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, you know what? Write it down. Maybe you should. Here you go. I'm gonna give you a little card, okay? Write it down.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right. I'll write it down.

[Podcast Host 1]

And then once you do that, and then you'll look into it, and then maybe it'll be an episode. After that, we have irrelevant username. Underscore. TikTok. Ban equals control, not data privacy.

[Podcast Host 2]

Facts, facts. If they wanted to fix our data privacy, they would.

[Podcast Host 1]

They would fix it.

[Podcast Host 2]

They. They'd fix data privacy across the board, across Facebook, across Twitter. Yeah, data privacy across the board. But they're not doing that.

[Podcast Host 1]

And on our most recent warm up episode, we talked all about Facebook and meta and how they just bent the knee and everything else.

[Podcast Host 2]

Cool. Zuck is the coolest.

[Podcast Host 1]

And all of you here in the sh. Shout outs.

[Podcast Host 2]

You know, we've always been saying Zuck's the coolest.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, we don't have to say Zuck's the coolest. He's. We don't have to ever worry about him. After that, we have Brazilian overlords.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have hair. Underscore 4. Underscore. Regular. Underscore stepping. Underscore Lore. Underscore dumps. Underscore from underscore. Duh. Underscore Lord Underscore Dump. Underscore Gods.

[Podcast Host 2]

Nice. Here for the regular dumping of this lore, baby.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, because we're the lord dump gods, baby.

[Podcast Host 2]

Let's go.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Tracy. Tracy Mogan Calum.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, I thought they said Tracy Morgan. No, it's like tummy slaps.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep. After that we have London Reigns.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Holly S. Hey, hon. After that we have. Is. Okay. All right. You all right Is Barbera on the boulevard the best? Underscore a day all right a. They all right a day I. Oh, boy, I guess is Barbera on the boulevard the best Boy, I guess that's how radio goes. That's a. That's a Philadelphia car dealership.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's a Philadelphia car dealership that has a pretty significant amount of radio play.

[Podcast Host 1]

A lot. And it. And they sell, I think, Hondas.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, I remember.

[Podcast Host 1]

I don't remember they. But they're Gary Barbera.

[Podcast Host 2]

I grew up in that area.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Where the Barbera's is. And next across the way from it on the boulevard was a Lucille Roberts that I went to in high school. Do you remember what Lucy Roberts was?

[Podcast Host 1]

No.

[Podcast Host 2]

It was like a work. It was like a gym, like Planet Fitness or whatever, but it was for women only.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, like Curves.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

It was a women's only. It was Lucille Roberts.

[Podcast Host 1]

I started my comedy career down the street from the Gary Barbera dealership on the boulevard.

[Podcast Host 2]

Wait, no, that's way far down.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, it's still on that boulevard.

[Podcast Host 2]

I was on the boulevard.

[Podcast Host 1]

I mean, for that listen, for a listener who's listening in, like, fucking Singapore. Yeah, it's down the street.

[Podcast Host 2]

Down the street.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay. All right. It was Northeast Comedy Cabaret down by.

[Podcast Host 2]

Nabisco Lane, next to the roller skating rink.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Well, I think all of that's gone. Yeah. Up next. Sam.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that, we have Allison H. Hey, Alison. After that we have. Watching gay porn with your friends isn't gay. It's bonding.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's facts.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'll give it. Honestly, I'll give it to you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Next.

[Podcast Host 1]

What are we talking about?

[Podcast Host 2]

Next. Name.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Underscore. Madre four. Underscore.

[Podcast Host 2]

You underscore. That's like a little valentine. Like a little paper valentine.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, no, I was thinking more like the chalky little valentine. I like those. Are those gluten free?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, good.

[Podcast Host 2]

So you can get me some.

[Podcast Host 1]

I won't. Okay. All right, so I am gonna go with this one because it's a. But it's a bunch of words putting together. It could be sensei. I don't think it is. I think it is. Sense is limb.

[Podcast Host 2]

Sense is slim.

[Podcast Host 1]

Or maybe Sensei Slim.

[Podcast Host 2]

Sensei slim.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like, you know, like. Like Japanese sensei. I don't know. Hey, hun, I'm gonna go with senses. Limb.

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, thanks.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Sit and Stitch.

[Podcast Host 2]

Sit and Stitch.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yep. After that we have. Rawr. Goes Rosh.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's pretty good.

[Podcast Host 1]

Aurora goes Rach.

[Podcast Host 2]

Rach.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's probably Rach like Rachel. Yeah, it's probably Rach. After that we have George or binks. Underscore for Mrs. P. Book Club.

[Podcast Host 2]

Nice.

[Podcast Host 1]

Not Jar Jar.

[Podcast Host 2]

George or George or Binks.

[Podcast Host 1]

George or Binks.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, hon.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Annoyed Underscore in the void.

[Podcast Host 2]

I love that.

[Podcast Host 1]

After that we have Emmy Doodle.

[Podcast Host 2]

Emmy Doodle.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's pretty good. After that we have. For my birthday, I change my mind and I want to know if you like my art okay. Yeah. And they reached out. They sent us an email a while ago. I think it got missed. I told them to resend it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay, yeah, we'll look. We've been dying, but we'll go back.

[Podcast Host 1]

And look after that. We have the six sick chic, six sheep sick underscore pad kid poured curd, pud, cod.

[Podcast Host 2]

I love that they did that to you.

[Podcast Host 1]

It was. That was a nightmare.

[Podcast Host 2]

Alliteration. Yeah, alliteration.

[Podcast Host 1]

And finally, okay, we have. My cancer is in remission. Madison Russo can eat my ass.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yo. Let's fucking go. Cancer who, bitch? Cancer. What? I don't know her. That cancer. Remission all day.

[Podcast Host 1]

Who's Madison Russo?

[Podcast Host 2]

Like I said, remember? She's the one that fake cancer. She had the fake cancer tumor.

[Podcast Host 1]

That was like, such an old episode.

[Podcast Host 2]

First season. Shit, man.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, that's such an old episode.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Remember I said. I said this year we're fighting. Fighting cancer and winning, baby.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yo, good job for you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Go, dude.

[Podcast Host 1]

Honestly, thank you for showing us that there is hope out there in this world.

[Podcast Host 2]

We need it.

[Podcast Host 1]

We all need it. Yeah, desperately. Facts. We're right here. And you guys have been here, too. We've all been here. We're all here together. Guys. Thank you so much for listening. We really do appreciate all of you, and we also.

[Podcast Host 2]

We hope we brought some joy to your day.

[Podcast Host 1]

We really did. I really do hope we did. And I hope that all of you continue to have.

[Podcast Host 2]

Sorry if I made you mad at the Goodwill.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's.

[Podcast Host 2]

Listen, it's not my fault. Google is weird. It's full of.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's not your fault they're weird, but it's your fault that we now know.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, that's true. I take responsibility for that.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm gonna tell you this right now. I blame the messenger, but don't blame too many tabs where you guys get all of your fun. Tee hee hees. And Tahas. Oh, you wanted to say something to close the episode. Remember what we want them to say in the comments. We're trying to. We're. That's all part of our other New Year's resolutions. Sticking with that, because last one we really said. I just hope you guys are doing good or whatever.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, my God. That was so funny.

[Podcast Host 1]

It was so funny because I forgot. We did it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Really forgot.

[Podcast Host 1]

And then we just started. We just started getting these notifications. Be like. We're like, what? What happened? What did I miss? I was like, what? Who else lost? So it caught me off guard.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right, let's see. I mean, like, what's what word summarizes this episode, right? Like, is it this? Is it Halliburton?

[Podcast Host 1]

No, I got it. Raise the minimum wage. I want you guys to write in the comments. Yeah, raise the minimum wage.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

See you guys next week. Too many scammers that we wish weren't real. Too many cons and too many spammers. And we're starting to feel like we've got too many tabs.

[Podcast Host 2]

Open it.

[Podcast Host 1]

Too many tabs. Remember to smile.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, I was holding that last one so hard.

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