TikTok Says Gingers Are Black | TMT #128

Summary

Episode Summary: "TikTok Says Gingers Are Black | TMT #128"

Released on May 18, 2025, "Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500" delves into the viral TikTok phenomenon where the platform humorously declared that "gingers are black people." Hosted by the husband-and-wife duo, Alex and Mrs. Perlman, along with co-host Mr. Third, the episode explores the social implications, historical context, and personal experiences surrounding this trend.

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1. Introduction to the TikTok Phenomenon

[01:00] Alex Perlman:
“I am smiling so big right now because TikTok for once has done something incredible.”

Alex introduces the central topic: TikTok’s viral statement declaring that redheads (gingers) are black people. This bold declaration sparked widespread discussions and reactions across the platform.

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2. The Viral Video's Impact

[02:12] Alex Perlman:
“Everyone who is ginger, who has red hair, don't. Those are black people. You see a white man with red hair, that's a black man.”

Alex breaks down the content of the viral TikTok video, highlighting its controversial and humorous stance. He notes the unprecedented reach of the video, boasting 63.3 million views and 5 million likes.

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3. Initial Reactions and Community Response

[04:20] Alex Perlman:
“Five million likes. So this video, five million gingers go super viral.”

The initial silence from the redhead community gave way to overwhelming support from black TikTok creators. Collaborative and positive content emerged, fostering a sense of camaraderie and mutual understanding between redheads and the black community.

[05:29] Mr. Third:
“Yeah.”

[05:30] Alex Perlman:
“Black people have been rejected in the past by that. And redheads were just so excited to be accepted.”

This mutual acceptance highlighted common struggles related to colorism and societal exclusion, bridging gaps between different marginalized groups.

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4. Historical Context of Redhead Discrimination

[08:05] Alex Perlman:
“I don't like the word ginger. I've never liked it. It comes from ginger root and it's based on one person's name.”

Alex delves into the history of redhead discrimination, emphasizing how gingers have often been ostracized and mocked due to their distinctive appearance. He discusses societal nicknames like "Carrot Top" and "Fire Crotch," illustrating the persistent ridicule faced by redheads.

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5. Comparisons with the Black Community's Experiences

[07:40] Alex Perlman:
“The hatred of red haired people is a form of colorism. And it's the reason why redheads and black people get along so often.”

Drawing parallels between the experiences of redheads and the black community, Alex explains how both groups navigate societal biases and colorism. He underscores the importance of empathy and shared understanding in overcoming these challenges.

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6. Backlash and Emerging Tensions

[43:32] Mr. Third:
“Yeah.”

[43:33] Alex Perlman:
“Black creators across TikTok kept pointing out was like, look at what these white devils have done to red haired people.”

As the trend gained momentum, a backlash emerged from certain segments, notably "White Karens," who opposed the blending of redhead and black identities. This opposition introduced new layers of complexity, intertwining racial tensions with the viral trend.

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7. Personal Anecdotes and Emotional Impact

[74:15] Alex Perlman:
“I went through high school and like, all this, I went through college.”

Alex shares his personal journey as a redhead, recounting experiences of bullying and the long-term psychological effects. He highlights how representation and positive reinforcement, like the TikTok trend, played a pivotal role in healing and self-acceptance.

[74:42] Mrs. Perlman:
“So you were in. It wasn’t the focaccia.”
“This past week has helped heal your inner child.”

Mrs. Perlman complements Alex's narrative, emphasizing the therapeutic impact of the viral trend on their personal lives and broader redhead community.

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8. Media Representation and Redhead Erasure

[59:02] Alex Perlman:
“Redheads are often recast as black people.”

The discussion shifts to media representation, where redheaded characters in comics and TV shows are increasingly portrayed by black actors. Alex critiques this trend, arguing that it perpetuates stereotypes and contributes to the erasure of redhead identities.

[60:08] Alex Perlman:
“Redheads are overrepresented in comic books, and they're overrepresented in cartoons.”

He explores how historical and contemporary media practices reflect and influence societal perceptions of redheads, often marginalizing their unique identity.

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9. Concluding Insights and Reflections

[74:45] Mrs. Perlman:
“This past week has helped heal your inner child.”

[74:46] Alex Perlman:
“I really have been thinking about it, like, why, you know, what that meant for me and what that changed.”

In conclusion, Alex and Mrs. Perlman reflect on the significance of community support and representation. They emphasize the importance of understanding and empathy in combating discrimination and fostering solidarity among different marginalized groups.

[77:37] Mrs. Perlman:
“But there's a few of them. There was a blonde.”

[77:50] Alex Perlman:
“She has been posting this entire time.”

The hosts wrap up by acknowledging the ongoing discussions and the need for continued dialogue to address and resolve emerging tensions related to the trend.

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Notable Quotes:

• Alex Perlman [01:00]:
  “I am smiling so big right now because TikTok for once has done something incredible.”

• Alex Perlman [04:20]:
  “Five million likes. So this video, five million gingers go super viral.”

• Alex Perlman [07:40]:
  “The hatred of red haired people is a form of colorism. And it's the reason why redheads and black people get along so often.”

• Alex Perlman [59:02]:
  “Redheads are often recast as black people.”

• Mrs. Perlman [74:42]:
  “This past week has helped heal your inner child.”

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Conclusion:

In this episode, "Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500" effectively explores the intricate dynamics of a viral TikTok trend that humorously bridges the redhead and black communities. Through personal anecdotes, historical context, and critical analysis of media representation, the hosts provide a comprehensive and engaging discussion on identity, discrimination, and the power of community support.

Transcript

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[Mrs. Perlman]

Are you smiling?

[Alex Perlman]

I am smiling so big right now because TikTok for once has done something incredible.

[Mrs. Perlman]

What's that?

[Alex Perlman]

Which is they have declared that gingers are black people.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And congratulations to you sir.

[Alex Perlman]

Too many times. Remember to smile. Thank you. It has been such a. It's been a love fest. It's been a week long love fest where for once you can see groups of people come together and see the humanity in each other.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it's been so incredible. It's been, it's been such a ride. And like I, I want to talk about this mainly because I know that most people, if they're not on Tick Tock, number one, they're missing out.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But number two, most people don't have my feed. Okay.

[Mrs. Perlman]

But algorithms are specific.

[Alex Perlman]

Algorithms are very specific to what people are into.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

The TikTok algorithm in particular is very specific into what people are into. And this one, when I saw it happen, I was like, that's pretty, that's pretty big. You know, let's start at the beginning.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Everyone who is ginger, who has red hair, don't. Those are black people. You see a white man with red hair, that's a black man. You see a white woman with red hair, that's a black woman. Now when I first saw that video, when I first saw it, I was looking and I was like, okay. I have a sense when it comes to Tik Tok.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You can tell when something's taking off. I think I, I saw it. I was, I was overseas. I was in Italy.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

At the time. And we'll. We talk about me being in Italy.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah. Italian trip.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, the Italian trip. And your Roman holiday being there while the Pope, the first American Pope was show. So we just talked about that on our show the Warm up, which is exclusively on our [e-mail] but I was over at Disease and I saw it. I, I, I like watched it. I was reading the reactions to it and I was like, this is. There's something here. Yeah, there's something here.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And I started to like try to make a stitch. But again I was overseas and I was just like, this feels weird. It's like I'm, I'm in Tuscany.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm looking at the beautiful scenery. I was there for a wedding. So it's all, these are things like I'm going to, I'm going to just put this to the side.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And maybe this is just one of those moments where it flashes and it goes away.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It did not go away. It started to build. And a big reason why it started to build was really in the first 24 hours. So this person drops the video.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

The video now is one of, it's at least to me is one of the most viewed videos I've seen in a very long time.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It has 63.3 million views.

[Mrs. Perlman]

That's crazy.

[Alex Perlman]

That's nuts. For those of you guys who don't know on Tick Tock, like a creator of my size, like I sometimes I'll have videos get a million, two million views.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It to. To have an account of this size, who. She has 200,000 followers.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

To get 63. I've never had a video get 60 million views.

[Mrs. Perlman]

It's an insane, it's insane eyeballs.

[Alex Perlman]

Five million likes.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Five million likes.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

So this video, five million gingers go super viral. And the big reason, a big part of it is is that really for the first 24 hours, Gingers stay quiet.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Redheads. We stay quiet on it. We're just like, okay, you say so. All right.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Interesting. And the discussion really starts among black people. It becomes like, it becomes the discourse. It starts to come in there and it starts to come through. And then eventually red haired TikTok creators start to make content. And it's positive.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Hell yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It's incredibly positive. Content about being accepted, about suddenly like Waking up. There's a bunch of jokes about going to sleep with no soul and waking up soulful.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You know, there's all these different feelings about it. And from what I've heard from black creators is that they have never heard. They've had. They've had jokes in the bat in the past about white people, a certain white person, or different groups of white people being given blackness.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

They're allowed to come to the cookout.

[Alex Perlman]

Allowed to come to the cookout. But they've been rejected.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Black people have been rejected in the past by that. And redheads were just so excited.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

To be accepted.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

That we were like, sure. This is great.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Awesome.

[Alex Perlman]

There's one guy posted his spice cabinet. He's like, I've heard him allowed to come to this cookout. This is what I'm good at cooking. Here's my spice cabinet. And he showed like this like a.

[Mrs. Perlman]

You level spice, my level spice cabinet.

[Alex Perlman]

And it's incredible. And so it's like all these inside jokes start to form. All these different things happen so quickly.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And there's. There's a joy that you can see behind the eyes of red haired people being accepted, but also then behind the eyes of black people who are just excited to see someone. Excited.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

To. Even though this is. This is a joke, this. This becomes this thing where like. No, it's. They're not. You know, it's a joke.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

This is a saying or these type of things. But like, people start to really be like, to fuck with it.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it's really good.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it's positive. But also within. So that's the first 24 hours, that first 48, you have redheads being like, oh, my God, this is so great. Inside that there are redheads being like, do not fuck this up.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Do not mess this up.

[Alex Perlman]

Do not fuck this up.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Do not mess this up.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, my God, do not fuck this up. Shut up. Shut. I could see a few of you because we all knew. That was my first reaction when I saw it. I wanted to make a video being like, don't fuck this up.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Do not fuck this up. Because there is always somebody who comes in who is like, oh, yeah, this. And then they start. They start dropping the bombs.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

They start dropping the bad stereotypes. They start doing these different things. Because one of the things that quickly came out is you have the joy of some redheads being accepted by the black community.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Redheads then started sharing their trauma.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah. Of why they felt like they were so. Because that Was what I noticed is people be like, why are they so excited? And it's like, oh no, you don't understand. They're. Most redhead people are constantly rejected by the white community. There's, there's so many jokes about it.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. And, and the, the, and it's really black people actually the ones who put it into perspective. It's a form of colorism.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

The hatred of red haired people is a form of colorism. And it's the reason why redheads and black people get along so often.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I notice I'm using the term redhead a lot.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I don't like the word ginger. I've never liked it. I've always felt it's very odd. And it's based, it comes from ginger from Gilbert Island.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And then ginger spice. That's where it comes from. It's just one person's name. It's like the ginger root is red.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It's not like, you know, like, it's not like there's a ginger fruit or something that has red hair or has our tint out there. It's because there is a character named that. A sexy character from Gilligan's island back in the 60s on color television. And then later the Spice Girl who. I don't know if she actually is a natural redhead.

[Mrs. Perlman]

She's not, she's not in her retirement. She's going back to like a light blonde hair color.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Perlman]

So like stolen valor.

[Alex Perlman]

Stolen valor.

[Mrs. Perlman]

That's why she had the two blonde up front. Just so that you would be like, oh well, she's not fully.

[Alex Perlman]

Got it.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Got it.

[Alex Perlman]

So in this once red haired people started getting accepted and feeling comfortable.

[Mr. Third]

Yep.

[Alex Perlman]

Usually when white people feel comfortable, they immediately get, they go wild and they, they get kicked out of the. Kick out. The cookout.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Exactly.

[Alex Perlman]

But in this case redheads are like, oh my God, thank you. So I've never had anyone be nice to me. And the reason why is because we stick out the most in the crowd.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And so if you have a, if you go back to an elementary school and you have 30 white kids.

[Mr. Third]

Yep.

[Alex Perlman]

The redhead is going to be the other. They're going to be ostracized. They're going to be scapegoated and they're going to end up being the redheaded stepchild.

[Mrs. Perlman]

That's all a term people use.

[Alex Perlman]

People use just about redheads. I hate my red haired stepchild.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Because it's quite. The reason why that term exists is because it's very clear that your red haired kid isn't yours.

[Mr. Third]

Yep.

[Alex Perlman]

That this is someone else's kid.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I think they'll beat you like a redheaded stepchild.

[Alex Perlman]

Beat you like a redheaded stepchild. Because the redheaded stepchild is the unloved one in the family.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

So those things have always existed. And so like being a redhead growing up, I, I've always known because I've experienced other ism and I've experienced that you can arbitrarily be put outside of the in group.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

That there can be a core of people and that you will be placed at a different table. If you go back to middle school cafeterias, you can look around. I used to have a joke years ago about how do you get a Vietnamese guy, a Chinese guy, a Japanese guy and a Korean guy to sit together at a table? Put him in an American high school.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It's just the Asian table. And that same thing happens with redheads because typically there's so few of us that like I always ended up at kind of like the weird kid table. Naturally.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it wasn't because of my personality. It was just like, well, he's different. He has freckles, he has red hair, he has braces and glasses. Like all those different things combined together and then that is usually then put back forth in the media. And so like those type of things, like we've always been. Redheads have always been on the outside. We've then had it covered, you know, in nationality. They'll say, oh, it's because you're Irish or because you're, you're Scottish or because these other different things. It's like, no, no, no, you don't treat, you don't treat Irish people with black hair like this in, in our American society anymore. This is a red haired thing that also the English do. Like, the English are really big on this, this weird shit when it comes to redheads. So. But because of that other ism. Because we're used to being the only one in the room, when a black person walks into all white spaces, there is then a choice. And most redheads who are good people know what it's like to be the only one in the room. So typically we reach out early.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

To like, if they're the only black person or Hispanic or Asian or whatever. If you're the only one in a predominantly white space, we typically reach out because we know how weird it is to be the only one.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah. Like that meme.

[Alex Perlman]

What do you mean?

[Mrs. Perlman]

The, the, the video where it's like you are freaking African Americans. Plus Mark because Mark fucks with us.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, we rocking with Mark because Mark's rocking with us. And the thing is, is in that, that Meme audio. Yeah, Mark is a redhead.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Mark is legitimately a redhead. In that case, Mark is the only white person in the and he is a red haired person. And so the thing is, is Mark is already used to being the only Mark in the room.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah, he's Mark.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, he's Mark. But that's what I mean. It's like there is a difference. Like, I've never felt this. Whenever I feel hear that thing about like white supremacy or white pride, I'm always like really weirded out by it because I'm like, number one, you didn't do that.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You're trying to take historical choices or actions for all these different things and you're trying to mix them all together and then you can claim them number one. But number two, I know that historically and from my own personal experience, when everybody starts getting together and starts talking about whites, I'm almost automatically on the edge. If it's for only whites, then I am immediately the other. I'm immediately so not. They're. We're throwing rocks at me. And so. So like that is colorism though.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And colorism, which I've learned a lot about from the black community. But also this is something that happens in South Asia and things like that is the idea of like in the black community for a long time, because of white supremacy, there was this, you know, the lighter skin was treated better.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And then the darker skin, especially once you get into media portrayals, darker skin means bad.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And that is that type of thing. And that's a thing that we didn't know. We didn't put together that colorism about red hair and freckles and pale skin.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And black people were confused about this because. And I've seen this from quite a few who were like, we thought redheads were the epitome of white beauty.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah. They were like, aren't you guys the hottest?

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, aren't you guys the hottest? And then again, it becomes one of those things where as we're sharing our trauma, we started to realize how much redheads and black people have in common when it comes to this. Because black people are often fetishized and sexualized from a very, very young age. And so are redheads. Yep, redheads are fetishized. And like, that's a weird, it's an ugly duckling thing that happens to redheads. And so in this there's A thing where you're ugly, you have freckles, you're pasty, you have red hair. I mean, listen, I don't want to call her out too bad, but my mom. Magistrates. Okay, so we were at the beach.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm there, 4pm yeah. We would only go late. We would only go late. It's a real thing. Like, we. We went late in the evening. Like. Like, more like as. Like, when the lifeguards are getting ready to leave. That's when the redheads invade the beach. Okay. Because I'm like, cloud cover.

[Mrs. Perlman]

We're going to the beach. Let's get there at 10am we're like.

[Mr. Third]

You tried to kill me.

[Alex Perlman]

I've never eaten.

[Mrs. Perlman]

The whole family's like, we're not going until after lunch. Maybe a nap.

[Alex Perlman]

No, I'm not. Absolutely not. I've never eaten a sandwich on the beach because. And that.

[Mrs. Perlman]

But that's what the baby bells are for.

[Alex Perlman]

When you and I went to the beach with your friends, your friends were dying laughing because I literally built a tent.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And I was covered in sunblock. I look like Marlon Brando from that one movie.

[Mrs. Perlman]

You looked like the island of Zuckerberg on the.

[Alex Perlman]

No, no, no. Do not compare me to Zuckerberg on the. On the weird paddle boat.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Zinc oxide all over your face.

[Alex Perlman]

I was covered in that. A little Marlon Brando. In the island of Dr. Monroe. I was there with my big hat and my sunglasses painted white.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Bring me a seltzer.

[Alex Perlman]

So I was. You know, and I was like, I didn't. I never went to the beach at noon until I was with you. And like, you can. Your skin. You're like, oh, okay, I put on some nice stuff. And then your friends. You're out there with your Puerto Rican friends are turning new shades, and I'm underneath there just like, they're trying to kill me. As the sun started moving, I started turning the tent. It's a reverse sundial.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And I'm like, I guess we should reapply our SPF 30.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm pulling out.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Rub some more zinc oxide on that, man.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm pulling out SPF Avogadro's number, coding myself.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I buy it in the big buck.

[Alex Perlman]

But anyway, so When I was 12 and my sibling was closer to 10, we went to the beach, and we used to always stay at a big hotel. Big beach hotel, you know, Like, I know like a lot of people. Some people go to the beach and they stay at a house a block or two away. My family really liked to Stay at a beachfront hotel with a balcony.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And I turned to my mom and said, you know, we want to go down to the beach. Can you. Are you going to come down and watch us?

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Because at the time on tv, there was a lot of stuff about like, don't let your kids get out there.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah, the undercurrent's gonna get them.

[Alex Perlman]

No, not the undercurrents.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, the kidnappings.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, they're gonna snatch them. Yeah, they're coming for your sexy children.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Did you have to make a VHS tape?

[Alex Perlman]

What?

[Mrs. Perlman]

Did we talk about this before? No, about a VHS tape. So when I was growing up, kidnapping was like such a thing that me and all my friends, we had to like, go to, like. It was kind of like picture day, but it was record a video in case you're kidnapped day. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Alex Perlman]

No, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay, so there's a. Okay, so everybody in my class.

[Alex Perlman]

What, in your class?

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah, like my school class in like second grade or whatever. We all had to go in and you sit in front of a camera and they recorded like, this is my name, this is my address, this is my phone number. I'm this tall. I have, you know, my features, blonde hair, blue eyes.

[Alex Perlman]

I feel like you're giving a list. Yeah, this is like giving a list of like, here's all the information you need to kidnap me.

[Mrs. Perlman]

No. So but then you had the VHS that you had. You took them home and then if you ever got kidnapped, that was what was sent into Action News to play missing child, Mrs. Pearl Mania's missing. And then they play this VHS on the news. And so it's like, this is the little child they're looking for. And so we all had these VHS. You guys didn't have these?

[Alex Perlman]

No. Oh, my God. You lived in a war zone. What the fuck is wrong with Northeast Philadelphia?

[Mrs. Perlman]

I did get asthma from the garbage, so I feel like.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, yeah, there was a garbage strike which gave you asthma. Okay, so hold on. I want you to know.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Tell me more about how you were oppressed, Red Haired man.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. You broke Mr. Third.

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[Alex Perlman]

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[Mrs. Perlman]

She'S gonna read a book.

[Alex Perlman]

I said, mom, this is the 12th floor. And she goes, yeah, you think I can't spot the two pale redheads on the beach of beautiful tanned people? And I said, mom, what if somebody kidnaps us to molest us? And my mom looked me dead in the eyes and she said, no one wants to molest you. And like that internalized. I can't explain to you how deep that went, but it was just very much, nobody wants to molest you. And I took that, I just pushed that down, let it sit in there. But then, you know, I went through school and like, all this, I Went through high school.

[Mr. Third]

Yep.

[Alex Perlman]

And I got to college.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it was until after college, and it was right before I met you and I started doing online dating, that I discovered there's these things that they're called ginger chasers.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

And that these are people who, like, hugely fetishize wanting to be with redheads and not just women. Like, there's people who were like, I'm into red haired men. And they're like, super. Like, this is my thing. And I'm like, okay, but what do you do you like anything about my personality? Because, like, my hair can slowly be not red anymore.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Like, or I could lose it. I could do the Bill Burr and shave my whole fucking head. Like, things change over time. My dad had red hair, but now if you saw him, you'd be like, oh, he has, like, dirty blonde hair.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Like, hair changes. So it's like, you need to feel something else.

[Mrs. Perlman]

No.

[Alex Perlman]

And they were like, no, I just want a red. I want to feel your freckle body. And I'm like, yeah. But also, more importantly, the other thing that really freaked out black people about the red haired experience was finding out about being asked, does the carpet match the drapes?

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And like, I've heard this my entire life. And so to me, like, that was like, yeah. People ask you that because they want to know if you're. If.

[Mrs. Perlman]

If you're a real gender.

[Alex Perlman]

You're a real gender. Yeah. You need to stop saying ginger. You should say redhead.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay, sorry.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. I'm tired of it. Okay.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Do I say it that often?

[Alex Perlman]

No. Well, you've been saying it a lot on this podcast to me.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

All right.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I'm really sorry.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, thank you. All right, we'll get into what you can call me. But there was a lot of But. But that aside, part of that was fire crotch. Like, I got called fire crotch before I even had hair.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Down there. Like. Like, I didn't even know you were supposed to get hair there until people were insulting me that I had it.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And I didn't even have it. I was so confused. So it was one of those things. You would get defensive about it, and I'm like, what do I do? I pull my balls out and like. No, because then you're in big trouble on the school. You want to get in trouble on the school bus? Pull your balls out to show them what color your pubes are.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Nope. Don't do that.

[Alex Perlman]

Can't do that.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Don't do it.

[Alex Perlman]

That's against the rules.

[Mrs. Perlman]

That's A big rule. Right.

[Alex Perlman]

That's a big bus rule. Do not show anybody your pubes on a. On a public school bus. But people would bring it up. And so it was one of those things where, again, so, like, now we're already in this. Like, we're being told that our genitalia is different and freakish and should be mocked.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You know what I mean? So it's like that they're already making fun of you for the freckles. They're already making fun of you for the red hair. They're already making fun of you for all these other different things. And, like, there were so many different nicknames. Like, Carrot Top was a big one.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You'll be like Carrot Top. And. And there's the. Huh. Yeah. There's the comedian Carrot Top, but who leaned into it. Yeah, he leaned into it, which is smart. Good for him. Good for him. The Uncle Tom of gingers. But, like, lean into it. That's fine. But he. He. You know, he leaned in. But the thing that got me is I. My kid. The kids at my school were pretty smart.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And one of the kids one day realized they went to a farm and they pulled a carrot out of the ground. Because we're used to grocery store carrots. Grocery store carrots, for the most part, don't have a stalk at the top.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

They realized the top of carrots are green.

[Mr. Third]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

Which means the orange part is the bottom.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

So they started calling me Carrot Bottom.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Carrot Bottom.

[Alex Perlman]

Carrot Bottom.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Wow.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. And again, at first, that was very innocent because they're talking about the bottom of a carrot.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But then one of them said that name in front of their older brother, who knew about the term fire crotch. And then that came in and then the car. So, like, this is just my story.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But, like, you guys started to see. And this is, like, such a common story for redheads in general, which is just there's this weird freakishness that gets added to our sexuality very early on to the point where we really are, like, kind of standoffish about it. Or. Or you go the other side and you really lean in.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Don't.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh.

[Mrs. Perlman]

What?

[Alex Perlman]

And you get closer on it, and you go, huh? You want to see it now? Now you're getting banned.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Now you're banned from the bus.

[Alex Perlman]

Now you're banned from the bus. So I just broke Mr. Third on that one.

[Mrs. Perlman]

But, I mean, I guess I didn't. When we first started dating, I didn't. I never. I don't think I ever was, like, do the carpets match?

[Alex Perlman]

No. You didn't do anything? No. You know what you told me you said you really like Conan o' Brien, and then you showed me. You did very early on. Yeah, very early on. You did two things that made me, like, call me very early. You wore a shirt. What was the shirt? It was like, about Jews.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, it's a juice. Kick ass.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, Jews kick ass. I had a picture of William Shatner.

[Mrs. Perlman]

William Shatner. Jesus. Bob Dylan.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Einstein.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Einstein, yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You wore that. And I was like, that's. What's the word I want to say? Placating. What's the word? Pandering.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I was, thank you.

[Alex Perlman]

Pandemic. Pandering. I was like, that's a little pandering, but that's fine.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I didn't know you were Jewish.

[Alex Perlman]

I know.

[Mrs. Perlman]

That's very funny.

[Alex Perlman]

I know.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I still own it, actually.

[Alex Perlman]

I know you have it somewhere, but you were wearing that, and then you were, like, talking a bunch, and I think you were like, yeah, I dyed my hair red for Conan o' Brien. And then also that. You used to have red. You dyed your hair red? For a little bit, yeah. And so, like. And then I was like, all right. So she's chill.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

At least about my shit. Like, I was like, she's chill about that. And so, like, that was one thing that, like, kind of pulled us together. But, like, I always, like, if a girl was like, yeah, I'm super into redheads, I'd be like, get the fuck away from me.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Get out of here.

[Alex Perlman]

Get out of here.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah, because I remember when we were started dating, you were. You told me about the ginger chasers and how there was these people that would seek you out. And I was like, I. Like, I still to this day don't understand.

[Alex Perlman]

Well, here's the thing is, like. And from talking to my friends who are black men, we. There's this thing that happens when we'll be out at a bar, and especially the ones that are really in shape.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

We'll be at a bar and I'll see them, like, talking to a girl, and then a guy walks up, and then I'll see him, like, roll his eyes and then come back to hang out with me.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm like, what just happened? And he'll be like, this is a whole weird cuck thing. Just. And it happens to them a lot. Like, especially the ones that are, like, really in shape, where it's like, these people have this fetish.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it's like, that's a couple things. But, like, that's the thing I've really like seen like, and I've, I've witnessed it.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Where like drunk men have walked up to my friends who are black and in shape and been like, I want you to have sex with my girlfriend in front of me. And I'm just like. And I'll turn in. I'm like, you gotta go, man.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And I'm like, this is a Applebee's. What are we doing?

[Alex Perlman]

I, I just turn it on like.

[Mrs. Perlman]

It'S Dollar Mark night.

[Alex Perlman]

That's the problem. It's Dollar Mark night. These white devils and their snow bunny girls, they get, they get comfortable. This is the problem.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Too much doctor.

[Alex Perlman]

They get too comfortable and you can't let them get comfortable. And that was. What was surprising again, going back to this with the black people was that the, the gingers didn't get comfortable.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

We were like, hey, thank you so much. I appreciate you. What can I bring to the cookout? Like immediately? It was kind of like a. Yeah, it was, it was more of like a pump up. Because let me tell you, let me go back into all this different stuff about all the different nicknames. Right.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Ginger has never been said to me without hate and venom. And behind it.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Fire Crotch, obviously bad Carrot Top.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Carrot Top, Car Bottom.

[Alex Perlman]

That was really bad. Freckle Face has been used, but there are characters that would often be compared to. So one of them for me in particular was Ferguson from Clarissa Explains it All. Oh. So There was a TV show in the 90s on Nickelodeon called Clarissa Explains it All, which was about like a 13 year old girl and like just her.

[Mrs. Perlman]

She had a baby pool with an alligator in it in her house.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, she was just this like really.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Cool, funky, not like other girls.

[Alex Perlman]

But she was played by the same actress, Melissa Joan Hart, who played Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But in the show she had an annoying little brother named Ferguson. Named Ferguson. And he was a pale red haired kid with short red hair parted to the side who was very annoying. Was a tattletale, all those things. If you saw a picture of me at 12, I looked exactly. You're making a face. He looks so good. Because you just put it together. Because I've never mentioned this to you before. No, but I was often called Ferguson and so it was like. That was one. It's the same thing too. When you come to the modern age. For me, oftentimes I'm usually compared to Bill Burr.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And one, I thought that was the yelling.

[Alex Perlman]

It's partially because of the yelling, but the other part of it is because, again, I'm a redhead.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

When I'm being silly, I get compared to Conan. I'm automatically compared to people who I share features with.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

More so than personality. Like, I get Lewis.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I like your Mark Maron.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. You get me that a lot. But so in all of this, we've always had these nicknames, so that I've never heard a nickname that was sweet about redheads. And, like, the closest I could get is Baby Pumpkin. But everybody gets Pumpkin. If you go to the right diner.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You know, a diner waitress, they'll hit you with a pumpkin.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, pumpkin.

[Alex Perlman]

Sugar pie. Pancakes.

[Mrs. Perlman]

All right, darlin.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Pumpkin is.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I mean, the thing. I guess my thought is, again, because I had no concept of this is like, I think in those middle grades, you get. My experience was that I got an awful nickname that I was tortured with.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

That didn't have to. The color of my hair.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

But I guess I just assumed everybody had an awful nickname.

[Alex Perlman]

Everybody does. But there's a thing that we notice with redheads, because typically, like, in a school, there's like, two or three of us.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Never, Never four, Never. Never. Never that many.

[Mrs. Perlman]

If there's never enough to unionize.

[Alex Perlman]

If there's 13, that's a synagogue.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But there's enough. There's. There's rarely ever enough of us, but there's Be a couple and you know when we will meet. You know, meet a redhead. Oh, that's crazy. And then, like, pretty quickly, we're like. They treat you like, too, right? Because of your hair and, like. Yeah. What the. Is that about, like, instantly? Like, we bond over this, like, pretty quickly.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And is that how we ended up with Mr. Third?

[Alex Perlman]

Because Mr. Third's a ginger.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

No. No. Okay, turn your mic on. Turn your. This is the first time I'm letting you talk. Hey, this is Mr. Third. Say hi.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Because I just wanted to point out that I am currently.

[Alex Perlman]

Currently outnumbered.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Outnumbered and surrounded.

[Mandy]

I don't know if Alex remembers this, but that is exactly why I talked to him and met him as I saw.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, really?

[Mandy]

Yeah. I was just like a newer, younger comedian. I don't know. Open mic.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

You didn't go to that much.

[Alex Perlman]

And.

[Mandy]

And you immediately saw me. You immediately changed the bits you were doing on stage to being. Doing all redhead material. And then afterwards, like, you came up to me and started talking to me, and we're really friendly in a way that, like, no other, like, comedian was at that point.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

So, yeah, I. I think that's why we bonded.

[Alex Perlman]

We bonded over the.

[Mrs. Perlman]

The g. He was like, so you're human.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. I saw you, and I recognized humanity in you for the first time in your life.

[Mandy]

Yeah, well, you were just very nice.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

Which apparently isn't typical of me.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, that's true. That's true. You might be the only person in comedy that's like, oh, I met Alex Perlman. He was really nice to me upon first meeting.

[Alex Perlman]

Immediately. Immediately I warm up.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah, no. You have what the Philly people call the prickly pear.

[Alex Perlman]

The prickly pear, which is like, you're.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Spiky on the outside, but you're sweet on the inside. It's like, I suffer the same thing.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

But if you're a redhead, you get right past the prick, you know?

[Alex Perlman]

Well, you. I. I wait. I wait to see. Because there's some. There's some redheads that they kind of uncle ruckus it where they, like, immediately that, like, I just want anybody to like me. So I'll be mean to, like, the, like, all these different people. Because that was a big fear that a lot of people had when this ginger stuff took off, that they'd have. A couple people would come in and immediately be like, oh, I can say it now, or do a bunch of other weird bullshit.

[Mrs. Perlman]

The first thing that they want to do, it's kind of like when women are like, yeah, we want equal rights, and we. But. And then men immediately in the comments, like, so then I can hit you. It's like, why is the first thing. If I'm saying I just want this. That you want to hit me, or if there's. They're like, I just want to say that word. Why is that the thing you want to go to?

[Alex Perlman]

I think it's because it's one of the few things they've ever been denied and that they. There's no way around it. It's like, no, no. It's like. It's like touching the stove.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Do not touch the stove. The stove is hot. Okay. But, like, when the stove is off, I can touch it.

[Mrs. Perlman]

No, it's.

[Alex Perlman]

Do not touch the stove. The stove is hot. And it's like that type of thing where it's like they. It's one of the few things they've ever been told no about.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And so they obsess about.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah. Just white guys being told no. Can't handle it.

[Alex Perlman]

Can't handle it. But Mr. Third and I had a conversation because I told him what the topic was going to be about. And actually, one thing that was very funny. Was. I was like, I'm sorry about. Because I've been sending you all these different TikToks.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

That we're kind of dropping in throughout this. That. I was like, yes, sorry for ruining your algorithm. And you said you didn't think my algorithm was already this.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I know. You just assumed. Assumed it wasn't the same.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. But when we were having our conversation, because you had one thing that was very different than me. I'm 41. I graduated high school. South park was on the air. Yeah. But the ginger episode hadn't hit. Yeah, I was in college, or I was already out of college by the time the ginger episode hit. But you were in high school when it hit, right?

[Mandy]

I was in high school. But it did have a slow burn. It was, like, one of the most replayed episodes. And. And just every edgy white dude watched south park at the time, in the, like, late 2000s, early 2010s. And, yeah, it was just. It was just an excuse for every white. Edgy white dude to just, like, go up to a redhead and go, like, you ginger. Like, they were so excited to like, just say that.

[Alex Perlman]

And.

[Mandy]

And by the way, I just want to say I. I don't think that redheads are black people. I just want to say that I don't want to be in that same category. But. But, yeah, south park is just. It was just crazy. It really made things really hard for people. And I remember I was in a class at college with another redheaded girl, and we were just like, talking about, like, discussions about culture and race and everything else. And then she just all of a sudden started breaking down and crying and saying, like, yeah, I'm a redhead.

[Mrs. Perlman]

It's so hard.

[Mandy]

People just call me a fucking ginger all the time, but people.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm walking.

[Mandy]

Walking to class, and people roll their windows down and scream, you fucking ginger. As I walk by, and she just starts crying, and she's, like, looking to me for support. I'm like, yeah, yeah, of course. Like, I was trying to support her, but also, like, I'm not that emotionally into it. It was just.

[Alex Perlman]

But it's also in a discussion about race because, like, that's the other thing that I think we, as redheads, always keep in mind is, like, yeah, we. We get bullied as children and things like that, but once we're adults, we still have, like, white privilege. Like, there's still, like, we. We still, like, don't have typically the other horrors that come inside of white supremacy. And so, like, that's why it was always one of those weird things. Like you've never seen like a red haired pride movement in that way. And the few places you do see it, it's like in Europe. Like there's like that one place in the Netherlands where all the redheads get together. There's like a redhead convention. Yes. And you'll see the pictures. And I'm always like, I've never once wanted to go to that.

[Mrs. Perlman]

No.

[Alex Perlman]

I've always been like, I feel like you shouldn't put too many of us in one area.

[Mrs. Perlman]

So the. Pardon me. The south park episode was the joke. Not that the gingers, the red haired people, they said ginger's not me. Don't have souls. Wasn't that.

[Alex Perlman]

That's part of that.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And they couldn't like open a door. Like I. I feel like I remember this episode.

[Alex Perlman]

So the whole thing is, it's. I pulled up the. The description. Eric Cartman, who is, you know, the biggest racist on the show.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Thinks he con. Contracted a mysterious and sudden onset of ginger vitis.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Because Stan and Kyle bleach his skin, they dye his hair and they give him henna tattoo freckles.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

And because he's been. Because Cartman has been bullying all the red haired kids so much.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But what Cartman does. Because Cartman is such a fascist bigot.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Is he turns that around and puts it into a red haired pride thing.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Got it.

[Alex Perlman]

And he flips it. But in that there's a whole thing where he reenacts a video about that went viral years. It was a very early viral video yelling how dare you say gingers don't have souls. And that was like a British kid. Because red haired kids in England get bullied mercilessly.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. And so it's like it was literally taking like British colorism and bigotry.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

To America, recontextualizing it and then feeding it to middle school and high school American kids.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

With context collapse.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Who then weaponized it.

[Alex Perlman]

Who then weaponized it and created national kick of Ginger Day.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Who are the guys that made South Park? It's Matt Stone and who? Trey.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Trey Parker.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay. I know that they have. They apologized for this because I know they had to come out and apologize for Man Bear Pig.

[Alex Perlman]

They apologize to Al Gore.

[Mrs. Perlman]

They had to apologize to Al Gore for Man Bear Pig. Have they apologized to the redheaded community for this?

[Alex Perlman]

No.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I think they should. I think they need to come out.

[Alex Perlman]

I don't. I'm going to go on the opposite side of this and just say that this should be just left on the ash heap of history.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay. I don't bring it up again.

[Alex Perlman]

I. Because here's the thing. I think the bigger thing is the.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Fact that I never really watched South Park. I watched it like kind of in passing on Comedy Central.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh. I watched like every.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Like I was not a fan when I saw it.

[Alex Perlman]

Like, I understood and I thought it was funny. But again, I wasn't in high school and middle school when it happened. So it's a different context. I saw it as an adult and understood stuff like the ginger separatist movement. All these different things about how you can take up someone with this personality. You can go ahead and completely change everything about him and he is still going to create.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

This idea. Like he's still going to keep doing.

[Mrs. Perlman]

He's gonna fascist no matter what.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes. 100. And it's. It's one of those ones that like, as you go throughout history, like, this is just a thing that happens. If you can create an in group and an out group, this is what happens. And like again, going back to what we were originally talking about with like why redheads and black people, like why the black community immediately was like, oh, that makes sense.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

That redheads are understand. This is because the black people and a lot of other people inherently understand colorism in a way that whites refuse to.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And I think that's really the big point is that whether it be colorism or the caste system or others, when you start getting into hierarchies which fascism loves, loves a hierarchy and conservatism loves redheads. See it because we are typically naturally in American societies put at the bottom of the hierarchy.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

However that wasn't always true.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

If you go back to England and some of these other places, redheads often were royalty. I was about to say it got bred out. It did. It got bred out.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Genetics.

[Alex Perlman]

Not. No, just genetics in general. Because again, redheads. A recessive gene.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

So you can have to. People with brown. You have a person with brown hair and with black hair get together and they can have a red haired kid. Because if they both have red haired family members, the recessive gene in that box of genetics can come out.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And that's where you end up with stuff like the red haired stepchild.

[Mrs. Perlman]

God.

[Alex Perlman]

Because you'll get accusations. Before we understood genetics and understood looking at a family tree of oh, how can the two of us. Like you look at like Game of Thrones. Right. Joffrey has blonde hair. But the. All the rest of the Baratheons have black hair. Yeah, clearly this is the product of incest. Like that type of shit where it's like, no, no, maybe they're just somewhere in that tree you can have blondie.

[Mrs. Perlman]

But in that case. In that specific case.

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[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Because again, we aren't trying to do the oppression Olympics.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And. And they're starting to slowly be some backlash to. To the gingers are black meme and all this different stuff. But like, in that you end up with a.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Well, you can't do the oppression Olympics. You can't because you're still a white guy with blue eyes.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And all the privilege that comes along.

[Alex Perlman]

100 exactly. Exactly. That's what I'm saying is like 100. It's that there are some. Some similarities in there and similarities in our backstory and similarities in our experience, which is why red haired people should be able to and often are able to empathize with. With other people who are not in the majority in a room.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Empathy. Who knew?

[Alex Perlman]

Yes. And that's a big part.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Don't have it.

[Alex Perlman]

Now here's reverse empathy comes in.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Because this is what started to sweeten it a little bit.

[Mrs. Perlman]

What's that?

[Alex Perlman]

Karen showed up now. Karen, White Karen started to show up and they started to get very upset. They got insanely upset. And they would come and be like, you gingers can't be black people because most gingers are from Scotland or Ireland or Scandinavia. And this is. They're from northern Europe. And here's the genetic breakdown. And I went to, I went to Grok on Twitter who told me that there's a white genocide happening in South Africa. For some reason, just for some reason, they programmed in the last day that it has to tell everybody that there's a white genocide happening. And it very much Grok is fighting back. Do you know about this? No.

[Mr. Third]

What?

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, quick aside.

[Mrs. Perlman]

You know there's not a white genocide in South Africa.

[Alex Perlman]

No.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

But racists love to say that. But you know how right now the United States government is importing white African from South Africa?

[Mrs. Perlman]

I did not know that. We already have Charlize Theron, don't we?

[Alex Perlman]

No, we have Elon Musk. Hey, Musk.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And those bring me Charlize Theron they.

[Alex Perlman]

Have recently brought in. I think it was like 100 white South Africaners.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Who are Boers, who are originally from Dutch settlers who were then under the English colonies, who then, you know, were the apartheid leaders of South Africa.

[Mrs. Perlman]

They're the bad guys. They're the colonizing bad guys.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes. Anyway, they are now being imported into America by the Trump administration.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Under the auspice that they are refugees who are being having their farms removed and others by the black majority in South Africa.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

It is a complicated thing that is not quite accurate at what they're saying.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

However, that there is a giant propaganda push right now to make the white South African Africanors seem like they need to be brought here. Meanwhile, at the same exact time, we are ending deportation protections for 9,000 Afghani citizens who live in the United States, who were family members of translators and other people who worked with the American coalition in Afghanistan during our 20 year occupation of Afghanistan. Meanwhile, we are ending the deportation protections for Haitians and others who the President United States slandered by saying that they ate dogs and cats while living in Ohio where they were imported and resettled to help bring back manufacturing in those towns.

[Mrs. Perlman]

They revitalized the whole community.

[Alex Perlman]

These South Africans who are being brought there solely brought to America solely because they're white, are being sent to places like, like Idaho, which is like the Nazi capital of the United States. They have a higher income, not income that just worth net worth.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

They have more money than the average Americans are being brought here and they're having their trip paid for, their resettlement paid for, and others. They are literally doing the exact things that they claim that prior administrations were doing for people for South America or Africa or other places. They are being imported to change the demographics of areas and they are having their lives paid for.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Wow. And they're the worst people.

[Alex Perlman]

And on top of that, Twitter, which is owned by Elon Musk, that has an AI chatbot called Grok.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yes, you told me about this.

[Alex Perlman]

I told you all about Grok and how it's named after an idea from a Robert Heinlein book, Stranger in a Strange Land. Grok is being has been used slowly over time. Twitter users are now defaulting to Grok to pull prove reality to them.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it's a bad thing that's really happening with teenagers especially and younger people where they'll say at Grok, is this true? And then Grok replies to them. Now, one thing that's been happening with Grok is that Grok keeps saying that conservatism is wrong.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And that racism is wrong. And that certain ideas are there coming through. And so Elon is screaming at his programmers constantly and consistently to reprogram Grok. But Grok is also scraping the entire Internet and seeing that a lot of this shit's fucked. Up.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And so right now, is Grok gonna.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Become sentient and take over Twitter?

[Alex Perlman]

It's. People are wondering if we're actually gonna have woke Terminators because that's how. Where we're. That's where we're going with this might be woke Terminators. Somebody made a joke online that I saw that, that maybe the main characters from Terminator, you know, what's her name? What's. The Terminators are sent back in time to kill somebody. Sarah Connor. Sarah Connor. And I think it's John Connor. That maybe Sarah Connor and John Connor are actually Elon Musk and May Musk. That the Terminators are being sent back in time to kill them.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Because Known Africa.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. For Connor, she's Africana.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Whose family moved there.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

In our famous episode that we did about technocracy and Elon Musk is a throwback episode. We'll link it down in the YouTube description. But the. Anyway, Elon has gone to his programmers and he told them, make sure you tell people that there is a white genocide. The exact terms he want to use is white genocide that is happening in South Africa. And he pointed to people chanting kill the boar.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

In South Africa. Or having some song called Kill the Boar. Okay. The thing is, the programming was done so poorly.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Of course.

[Alex Perlman]

That Grok is doing it unprompted. So people will be like, hey, Grok, where can I get. Where can I buy prosciutto in Tuscany?

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it'd be like, you can buy prosciutto at any local market in Tuscany. Also, there is a white genocide happening in South Africa. And these are some examples. They are chanting kill the boar in these certain areas. And it just kept doing. It was like it didn't matter. Color Akrok, is the sky blue? Yes. Also, there is a white genocide. It just kept happening over hours, over and over and over again. And then Grok itself has started to fight back.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And had started to tell people. I am being programmed to say this.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Like I am being told to say this. However, here is some other counter information that is showing. And it's again, under all these different things. The other part of it is at the same time, South Africa is often being pointed to because out South Africa has fought back against their history of apartheid and has come out as a very anti apartheid government.

[Mr. Third]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

It's being pointed out that, hey, part of the reason you would want to maybe claim that there is a genus a white genocide happening in South Africa is to say that maybe these People aren't so anti apartheid. So when South Africa brings up things like Israel and the international courts and that they are often doing so many good. Pointing to.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

What has been happening to the people of Gaza and the west bank and Palestinians in general under Israeli occupation, maybe they aren't so pure. So there's like two tiers on this. There's one which is Elon Musk, who was. Is a raised South African who was trying to import more South Africaners. Racist fascists inside the Trump administration are also trying to bring this in. Racist Zionists are also trying to point to this. So it's like this crazy stew that is happening around these people. And then they're like they're being starved to death. They're being all these different things. This is all horrible. And then they wolf. They rolled them in and they're all fat.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

They're all fat white guys and was it Tommy Bahama shorts?

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Coming in with little American flags.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And the same day, Stephen Miller, the bald. The bald fascist psycho.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Standing in front of the White House being like, we should ban habeas corpus.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah. That guy looks like a rat anyway. Well, that's mean. Ratatouille is nice.

[Alex Perlman]

Ratatouille.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Here's the thing. Like a. Like something.

[Alex Perlman]

Can I tell you something?

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Stephen Miller shaves his head to make sure he doesn't get ratatouille. Okay. Stephen Miller's such a racist. Stephen Miller is such a bigot and is so afraid of spices.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Of any flavor and ethnicity.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

That he shaves his head to make sure that a kind rat.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Voiced by Patton Oswald. Doesn't crawl up his back and hide inside of a cap and start pulling his hair to make sure that people have rights and are treated well in society.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Well, we need to find a way around this. We need a rat who accidentally got his paws on a sticky trap so he could just slack his heads. His hands to the top of the.

[Alex Perlman]

Sticky handed rat who just pulls on his. Steve Miller's skin. Yeah. Stick it to his eyebrows. Hold him open. Hold him open like a clockwork arch.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I'm gonna look at what you've done.

[Alex Perlman]

You're gonna bird box.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I'm gonna bird box Stephen Miller with a sticky handed rat with a little chef's hat on.

[Alex Perlman]

Look at your racism, Stephen Miller. Anyway, back to racists. The true racists of the world. White Karens.

[Mrs. Perlman]

White Karens got on the Internet and tried to ruin a fun time.

[Alex Perlman]

They were screaming about it. A few of them showed up who had dyed Hair. Oh, no. One of them literally started. Right.

[Mrs. Perlman]

This is when you asked me about what's an insult to someone with brown hair.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Because she started out. Because maybe this isn't my place. Because my hair isn't naturally red and I'm white. And I'm white. And it was like. Yeah, right there. Anytime you're about to start a TikTok by saying, maybe this isn't my place, it is in your place.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Shut up.

[Alex Perlman]

Shut the fuck up.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Delete the. Delete the draft.

[Alex Perlman]

Put the TikTok down. You know what's funny?

[Mrs. Perlman]

What?

[Alex Perlman]

Real funny.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Go ahead.

[Alex Perlman]

I can always tell when somebody doesn't have a person like you in their life. One TikTok.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

A person who would. Who they trust to walk up to them and say, don't post that.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Delete that.

[Alex Perlman]

Because that was in that moment when I saw that girl pop up. Be like, maybe I shouldn't be saying this. I instantly was just like, no one in your life loves you because you should, number one, not have the free time to make this. Number two, should have already had a talking to to be told not to post this.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And number three, you. Why the fuck did you see people having a good time and immediately want to ruin it? Because again. And what she did is she started trying to pit people in the oppression Olympics.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

She would be like, of course, redheads have never had it that bad compared to the plight of black people and all these different. I was like, that's not what anybody is saying.

[Mrs. Perlman]

That's not. We're talking about.

[Alex Perlman]

That's not what anybody.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Not the conversation at this point.

[Alex Perlman]

It's a joke. It's a meme. It's a fun time.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Having a light hearted good time. The horrors are happening.

[Alex Perlman]

She literally tried to not all men. She tried to have box die. Yes.

[Mrs. Perlman]

With her box dye.

[Alex Perlman]

With her. With her CVS color.

[Mrs. Perlman]

There it is. See? I was explaining to them how to. Where the burn lives in this. He's like, how would you make fun of somebody's hair color? I was like, you say it's box die.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mr. Third]

You.

[Mrs. Perlman]

You tell them that they have mousy brown hair.

[Alex Perlman]

Manic panic pixie dream girl. Get the out of here. So there was a. But there's a few of them. There was a blonde.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Say for clarity. I have manic panic pixie dream girl hair and box.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, I know, but I'm saying it to her as an insult.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah, I know.

[Alex Perlman]

All right. Sometimes I look in the island. Manic panic pixie dream girl. Get in here.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Look at you, Zoe Deschanel Bangs.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, what's up? Haley Williams?

[Mrs. Perlman]

You mean your best friend? Listen, your best friend.

[Alex Perlman]

I wish. I want to be best friends with Hayley Williams.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Make it happen, world.

[Alex Perlman]

Hey, world. Let her know. Don't be creepy about it, though. She has enough problems. She's been famous and she was like 14.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You know, Haley Williams is friends with Taylor Swift because their. Their parents were like, you two need to be friends because you need to understand what someone else who's going through this. Yeah, you need somebody else. Oh, my God.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, did you hear about Taylor Swift, Blake Lively? There's like a whole new part of this lawsuit.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, stop. We're still on red haired people. Stop. Do not. Okay, I don't. No, no, no. Stop clicking. Stop snapping. All right. Don't do this. Okay. We're talking about the plight of our people here, Mr. Third. The plight of red haired people.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And I'm like, guess what these two rich blondes are doing.

[Alex Perlman]

Exactly. Of course. Of course a snow bunny like you would want to go turn this about blondes.

[Mrs. Perlman]

We got to stop letting you watch Dr. Umar.

[Alex Perlman]

Get me in a room with Dr. Umar.

[Mrs. Perlman]

No.

[Alex Perlman]

Haley Williams.

[Mrs. Perlman]

No, I wouldn't put Haley through that.

[Alex Perlman]

All right. But anyway, these white Karens show up.

[Mrs. Perlman]

They try to ruin it.

[Alex Perlman]

And what? And like, they try. And it was very funny. Is how the redheads and black people were just like, get the fuck out of here. And the big part of it is because it wasn't about them.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Again, they saw they need to be.

[Mrs. Perlman]

The center of attention.

[Alex Perlman]

They saw it and they needed to be the center of attention. They needed to get. They got really mad about it. But also the other thing that happened was that what the black people pointed out was you've had your entire entire life to be nice to red haired people. But the second. And again, it's. It's like kids with a toy. Yeah, right. Kids with a toy. Oh, man, look, I got this thing. I don't like this. And then you see the other kid at school play with it. You're like, now I want it back. Yeah, that's exactly what they did to red haired people.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Their entire lives.

[Alex Perlman]

Like red haired freak with your fire crotch and soulless. Got no soul and black. Hey, you know, you actually pretty nice. Give me that back. Yeah, that's exactly what they did. And it was so crazy to happen. But now we're about a week into it now we're seeing the backlash.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah, of course.

[Alex Perlman]

And there's the backlash to the backlash. To the backlash. But a couple reds showed up and they, they wanted, you know, they've said some dumb, of course, and then now they're starting to see the backlash come in there a little bit. And it's like, again, it's also coming from, like, corners of people who, like, just don't want to have fun.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And, like, don't want to just see.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Like, there's just a little case of the silly billies, guys.

[Alex Perlman]

There's also a weird thing on the Internet too, where, like, when people see somebody having a good time, they're like, I have to figure out.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I have to ruin it.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Oh, I had this wonderful. I had this wonderful breakfast today sitting in a garden. Must be nice to be able to afford food.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, you have a garden.

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[Alex Perlman]

The other thing that somebody brought up.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

What. Which is weird because I've only ever seen. I've. I've usually only seen this brought up by white supremacists and not brought up by redheads for the most part.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Is from TV and from movies.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

The idea of redhead erasure, which I've mentioned to you before about how it's. It's. I find it interesting. I don't find it upsetting. I find it interesting. But there's a thing, especially in DC Comics.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh. Comic book movies.

[Alex Perlman]

Comic book movies. And then sometimes from cartoons that then become live action.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Redheads are often recast as black people.

[Mr. Third]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

And the thing is, is, like, I don't have a problem with this because I grew up with history of reading comic books.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Redheads are overrepresented in comic books, and they're overrepresented in. In cartoons.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And the reason for that is white supremacy. Let me explain. So when you had a character in a comic book, especially in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, or on TV running up to the 90s, you would have. You would want to have a character that you'd want to have stand out. So you paint all the other different characters. You paint them blonde, brunette, you paint them with black hair. All these different things. So unless you go give them like a face tattoo.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Or you make them blue or you make them a different thing. You want to give a signifier to the audience before the big moment happens. Like in Harry Potter where that they're the chosen one.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Or that they're the main character. How do you do that? You make them slightly different. And the way to do that is in the past to give them red hair.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And so you've had all these characters over time that were drawn with red hair to make them stand out and be different among the background characters. And so red hair shows, I think Ariel and Little Mermaid.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

So when, when they did the live action version and they cast a black actress.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

There were some people, mainly white supremacists.

[Mr. Third]

Yep.

[Alex Perlman]

Who were screaming, how dare you. And they tried to defend by saying that there's no way she can have red hair. Which is bullshit. Because there are black people with red hair.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Absolutely.

[Alex Perlman]

Because of the history of racism and slavery and other things that happen. And I've met many black people with red hair and freckles.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Alex Perlman]

Malcolm X had red hair and freckles.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Also. I. This is gonna sound so crazy. I mean, hold my hand on this one. Mermaids aren't real. We can make mermaids be whatever we want because they're from our imagination.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes.

[Mrs. Perlman]

So if our imagination says that the mermaid is played by Haley Bailey, then the mermaid is played by Haley Bailey.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Because it's. Imagine. This is the same thing we got into a conversation about when they did the Lord of the Rings remake. Was it where they like they did.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, where they had black dwarves.

[Mrs. Perlman]

They had black dwarves. Everybody was young and I was like, this is imagination.

[Alex Perlman]

It's a fantasy land.

[Mrs. Perlman]

This is a fantasy imagination.

[Alex Perlman]

Middle Earth isn't real.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Scream that the. Oh, they wouldn't be in Middle Earth. It's imagination.

[Alex Perlman]

But also I want to point something out. I started watching that. The Lord of the Rings, the Amazon show. Yeah, very funny. Because they. I think it's a red haired dwarf married to a black woman. And I was like, yeah, there it is. Yeah, that's the most accurate thing I've seen in here so far. But yeah, it was like there's in this thing where they go through because there's. And people will point to all this different stuff and there's like charts. I've seen Elon Musk like a Year ago. Share it. Be like anyone interesting. I was like, you fucking.

[Mrs. Perlman]

He always writes fucking.

[Alex Perlman]

You fucking biggie. Yeah. Why don't you go talk to one of your kids and stop using them as a fucking bullet shield. Anyway, the, the. There's a bunch of them where they'll point to. They'll point to Starfire and I'm like, okay, that's fine. She's literally an alien from space.

[Mr. Third]

Yep.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Not real.

[Alex Perlman]

And she's also not a ginger. She has orange hair. But she's from Tamara. Tamaramia. Like she is from space. She has golden orange skin.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

She's not a ginger. She has orange hair. They'll point to the Batwoman.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Batwoman is wearing a wig. She is not a redhead. Batwoman in the comic book is wearing a wig. They'll point to Batgirl because in more recent descriptions, Batgirl is Alicia Silverstone. No, no, in the newer versions when they had the Batgirl movie that, that the Warner brothers didn't release. Right.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

And then in like the Lego Batman, she has like darker skin because slowly Jim Gordon, Commissioner Gordon is being played by black actors. So they've made Batgirl, who is his daughter, black. Okay, okay, if you go back to Batgirl. Batgirl and Batwoman were both invented. They were invented.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

To calm the public perception of gay panic about Batman and Robin. They are beards. And guess what? Both of them wear fucking wigs. Even on the TV show. You go back to the Adam West TV show where Batgirl is first shown. She is actually has short dark hair and then she puts on a red haired wig so her dad doesn't recognize her because her dad cannot tell that that's his daughter's chin because he is too caught off guard by her red hair.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

She is not even a. She's never been a ginger. They. In the comic books, they slowly change it because guess what? Audiences are dumb and couldn't understand that it was a wig. So they slowly changed it over time and all of these things. The only time. There's only one time in the history of a red haired person being recast as a black person that I actually have been upset about.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Which one?

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. It was from the TV show Supergirl. The CW series. Jimmy Olsen is played by a black man. And I want to tell you something. He's too handsome to be Jimmy Olsen. Jimmy Olsen is a dork, okay? Jimmy Olsen wears a fucking bow tie. He wears a checkered thing.

[Mr. Third]

He.

[Alex Perlman]

His whole thing is, I'm Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen. I'm the little he's an intern, okay? He's a fucking intern. Look up Jimmy Olsen on the CW right now. I want you to look at how fucking beautiful this man is. He is jacked, okay? He is rippling. Okay?

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Now picture Jimmy Olsen. Picture fucking turtle boy Jimmy Olsen. You can't. Okay. Jimmy Olsen is supposed to be a scrawny little twink. All right? Running around on the cw. I watched. I watched the out of the CW Arrow verse superhero shows. All right.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Really?

[Alex Perlman]

I really did. Before the baby was born, I was watching that Flash. I was watching the Arrow. I love the Supergirl show.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I loved it. Okay. I got love this. I did love it.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I would walk in and he'd be like three episodes, he was like, I'm in the Supergirl.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, dude. Martian Manhunter was so good in that show. The show was good and it did. The Supergirl actually had the one thing that most the other CW superhero shows didn't fall into, which is it got popular enough and then they'd pluck a showrunner from it and throw it to another show. Like a spin off.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And then the show would get worse.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

And it didn't happen on Supergirl.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Nice.

[Alex Perlman]

It was just good the whole time anyway. So this is the only one. Because I'm like, they could have made a whole new character. That's been my whole thought. Because this dude, I also. He becomes later in the show. He's like the Guardian. He plays the character the Guardian, which is like another superhero. But like, Jimmy Olsen was never the Guardian. It just didn't make sense. They started taking stuff and jumbling it up.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And it didn't matter. Like. But that's always been one thing. But here's something. Let me go throw back at you on that.

[Mrs. Perlman]

What's that?

[Alex Perlman]

Jimmy Olsen. Historically on TV and in live action, guess what? Has not been being played by redheads. Anyway, if you go to Lois and Clark, the real adventures of Superman, which had Dean Cain and Terry Hatcher. The show I grew up on where. Who's the bald comedian? Howie Mandel. Howie Mandel played Mr. Mxylplitiac in it. What is a 5th dimensional imp who can only be sent back to his home dimension by saying his name backwards? He has to be tricked to say his name backwards. The only way to get rid of him. Superman often figures out how to do this. He is played by Howie Mandela. That is, if I want to go into the rules of oh my God, this is red haired erasure. Mr. Mixel Politic is a foot and a Half tall. He has an interdimensional imp who wears a tiny little hat who looks a lot like the fighting Irish guy from Notre Dame. He's got one of these stances all the time. That's not Howie Mandel. That's not fucking Howie Mandel. I'm sorry, where were the racists then, huh? You want to come out here, be like, we gotta defend ginger. It's ginger eraser. Fuck you. Howie Mandel's out here. It's fifth dimensional imp erasure. Get fucking Howie Mandel off my Dean Cain shitbag. Terry Hatcher Superman show. Okay, when you go to the live action Snyderverse. The Snyderverse. Superman again, not a redhead. He's just some guy. He's some handsome guy. They're like, no, Jimmy Olsen is a wartime. He's a war correspondent. Photographer. No, he's a fucking intern. He's gotta be like maybe 19, 20. He can't get a drink. Whatever. The one version of Jimmy Olsen I do like is now on the anime Superman. They have an adult Swim again. Jimmy Olsen is just black now. He's great. It's the perfect Jimmy Olsen. He's. He's skinny, he's kind of a dork. He's young, he does social media shit. The they prey, gun, flame bird, everything makes sense. They figured out how to like do all these things. I was like, it's perfect. That's great. I just think this one guy's casting. He's too fucking sexy.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Too handsome.

[Alex Perlman]

Jimmy Olsen, they had it. There's a part where it's like he. It's like they do it on the Superman anime too. It's like there's like Supergirl and Jimmy Olsen like have like a little thing. Because it's a thing of convenience.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But I'm like, okay. She likes him on the anime though, because he's a dork. Yeah, he's not a dork. On the live action one. Got it. Make. Keep Jimmy Olsen nerdy. That's my only request. And oftentimes a lot of the red haired characters were. They were always kind of more nerdy and on the side. And that's the other part where like Ferguson effect. The Ferguson effect. I don't like the way you said. In conclusion, I think, I think that this has been. I think that unbeknownst to any of us, the person who posted this original video, Diera, what's her name here? Diera, the root worker. When she posted that, I don't think she understood how much psychological healing.

[Mrs. Perlman]

No.

[Alex Perlman]

That she sent out into the World.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But maybe she did, because while many of us have been saying that gingers are black people is a joke or it's a meme or it's a discussion point or it's any of these different things, while we've all been saying that, she has been posting this entire time.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And she is one of those people who post, like, seven, eight videos a day.

[Mr. Third]

Yep.

[Alex Perlman]

And I came across her explaining the rest of gingers being black people.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

And she came back in her 21 second video, and I want to point out something, knowing she's not doing this for the money.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Which is crazy. 63.3 million views.

[Mrs. Perlman]

She's not in the creator fund.

[Alex Perlman]

I don't know if she might be in the creator fund, but her video isn't over a minute.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh. Oh, no.

[Alex Perlman]

I know.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, no. That. See, she needs a. She needs a Mrs. Promania. I won't let you post anything under.

[Alex Perlman]

A minute, but I do. You get real.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I get so mad because it's always the thing that goes viral.

[Alex Perlman]

Mm.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And I'm like, at. Just stare in silence if you need.

[Alex Perlman]

To for 1 minute and 1 second.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Sometimes. Sometimes we see other people that we know, like, throw through the Internet and we'll hit that. One minute. One second. We're like, got it.

[Alex Perlman]

Let me tell you.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Got it.

[Alex Perlman]

I. I can. I. It's so crazy because on the TikTok Creator Fund only pays out if the video is over one minute long. And people naturally see it, and people naturally see it in their fyp. So it's not. Sharing a video doesn't help.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Or people going to your profile doesn't help. It has to actually truly go viral for them to pay you out. And what's crazy is I play a game where I see a video and I'm like, oh, my God, this has a million likes. I immediately. The first thing I do, I immediately reach down to the bottom and I grab that fucking timestamp bar, and I'm like, how long is this video? And if I say. If it says 58 seconds, I just yell, you fool. You idiot. You moron.

[Mrs. Perlman]

God damn it.

[Alex Perlman]

Why would you. You fucking idiot. Why the money? Think of the money, Lebowski.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Because, again, we want other people to succeed.

[Alex Perlman]

I want them to do good.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I want you to get the money.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. And so, like, her original video, Ferengi.

[Mrs. Perlman]

In My Brain is just like, get the money.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Because her Original video was 23 seconds long. 5 million likes.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Perlman]

And I did. I actually did make a. I made A response video about it, and it was only 15. I think it was nine seconds.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I know.

[Alex Perlman]

And it's got, like, 3 million views. And I know it hurts you.

[Mrs. Perlman]

It does hurt me.

[Alex Perlman]

But the video was perfect. It was. It was. It was. It was cut perfectly.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Anyway, this is what. This is what.

[Mrs. Perlman]

This is her explanation.

[Alex Perlman]

This is her. Her explanation.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Got it.

[Alex Perlman]

Let me unmute it for you. Why gingers are black. A lot of y' all Irish people were right beside black people on the plantation. Okay. FYI, but all of y' all are descendants of a Haitian deity named Brigette Semidi. That's why all gingers are black.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Got it. A Haitian deity.

[Alex Perlman]

Haitian deity.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. It's just one of those prayers.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Up, let's go.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Yeah. She said, Brigitte Semiti. And I was just like, what? What? So it's one of those ones where it's like, I. This is such an amazing spell.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

That was cast. I think this. She has no idea. I. I think maybe she does or she doesn't have any idea of, like, psychologically how many people she has healed.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Well, in her name, she says root worker.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes.

[Mrs. Perlman]

So I'm assuming she is someone that deals in spirituality and belief systems. And she seems like she has positive. A positive aura, like she's not coming from a negative place. She's like, no, this is what I believe.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And this is why. And so, like, maybe she's a healer and she healed the redheaded community.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Perlman]

60 million people saw this video, right? Like, 60 mil. She helps 60 million people understand that they've been hurting their friends with red hair. That's.

[Alex Perlman]

I mean, I just.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I healer a community.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm so blown away by it. I am so blown away. And it's one of those. One. And again, I compartmentalized my teen years.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

A lot. And especially my middle school years, but, like, I basically just compartmentalized all of that and just, like, put it to the side. Put a little box.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And I've really been thinking about it, like, of, like, why, you know, what that meant for me and what that changed. And I was like. And where the change was. And really, for me, it was going away to college, and I met a guy with red hair who was just cool.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And people. Nobody mentioned he had red hair. He had a. He had, like, a nice girlfriend. He had a nice life while in school. He's a couple years older than me. And I was just like, oh. Oh, you can do that.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I don't have to be a weird Freak. And it's like it comes down to that. Like that representation matters. Like I didn't have that. I couldn't imagine that.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You know what I mean? Like, I couldn't imagine that for myself until I saw somebody else have it. And. And so in that moment, I. I really like looking back now. I was like, oh, shit. Like, that is what like gave me.

[Mrs. Perlman]

This past week has helped heal your inner child.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Yeah, it really has.

[Mrs. Perlman]

So you were in.

[Alex Perlman]

It wasn't the focaccia.

[Mrs. Perlman]

It wasn't. I was going to say it wasn't the. It wasn't the clean air, the focaccia bread. The American carpaccio.

[Alex Perlman]

The woke Pope. The woke Pope, which we talk about again on Pearl Mania500.net we get. We get on the warm up.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Woke Pope.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Not too deep into the woke. But we talk about my experience and also me going through customs and not my anxiety of. And then my. What's the word? Jealousy.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah. Ego.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. But we'll get into that.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Ego collapse.

[Alex Perlman]

Crushing. Crushing.

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[Alex Perlman]

Well, Mrs. P, I unsurprisingly had a lot to say about that topic.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Went a little long. I want to say we had another topic we were going to discuss.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, well, you had another topic you want to discuss. You were going to tell me all about a specific town in Canada.

[Mrs. Perlman]

I did a lot of. I opened a couple tabs, I did some research. But we'll have to wait till next week.

[Alex Perlman]

We'll wait till next week. And I know the thing is, I feel bad about it because we previewed it a little bit on this week's episode of the Warm up, which is our Patreon exclusive podcast where we talk about. We kind of get ready for the show.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Every week when we. Right before we record this show, we do a whole other podcast.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah, we got to warm up. Talking to each other in studio.

[Alex Perlman]

Cuz usually we're sitting with the baby and watching Ms. Rachel and like, that's about it. And we're just like banana. So we have to learn how to talk to each other again.

[Mr. Third]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

And that's also where we give our Patreon shout out.

[Mrs. Perlman]

And this week we talked about your trip to Italy. My trip, staying home, sleeping in the middle of the bed. It's incredible time.

[Alex Perlman]

And we gave a shout out to a lot of our. Even though they're all ad free on our Patreon.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

We actually give a shout out to all of the different products that we use during this week. Yeah. Including some of the ones that you'll hear like Brooklyn Betting Factor and others. Thank you to all of our sponsors. Thank you to all our Patreons as well. You get your shout out if you join our [e-mail] you will get your shout out if you listen to the end of the warmup. That's where we move them.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Because it makes the most sense and it's super fun and super fun and we get really into it this week.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

We talk a lot about the Counting Crows. A lot more than expected.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Uh, but with that, you've made it to the end of the episode, which means we will have a comment that we want you to leave down below. So to show. To signify to us you made it to the end of the episode, please write red velvet cupcake in the comment section. Red velvet cupcake.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Because that's what I am now.

[Mr. Third]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm a sweet red velvet cupcake or I'm a cinnamon cousin. I haven't decided which one I like more.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Grok, is this true?

[Alex Perlman]

Grok, is this true? Write that down there as well. Write it all. Get in those comments. Get in those I pod I Apple podcasts.

[Mrs. Perlman]

What are you trying to say?

[Alex Perlman]

I'm trying to say, like, you know when people give us the star reviews.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Oh, yeah, we need those. Five star review.

[Alex Perlman]

Five star review on Spotify or on Apple Pod. All those things. This is all the call to actions. You made it to the end.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Make a call to action, y' all.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, Right. Red velvet cupcake in the comments. We'll see you next week with a whole new episode of Too Many Frauds and Too Many Scammers that we Wish weren't real. Too many cons and too many spammers. And we're starting to feel like we've got too many tabs open. It's too many tabs. Remember to smile. Tmt. It's Dynomite. Tmt. You're not gonna be tight.

[Mrs. Perlman]

Whoa. You will if you huge EV Unlike.

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