Unmasking the James Charles Meltdown | TMT 178

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unmasking the James Charles Meltdown

Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500 – Episode 178
Release Date: May 17, 2026
Hosts: Pearlmania500 (A: Mrs. P, B: Pearlmania500)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Too Many Tabs is a deep dive into the multiple controversies surrounding beauty influencer James Charles, focusing especially on his recent meltdown involving a displaced Spirit Airlines employee’s GoFundMe and the broader context of his problematic history. Mrs. P takes the lead, explaining the evolution of James Charles’ online career, his recurring scandals (from inappropriate DMs to influencer drama), and the culture of beauty YouTube. The episode also critiques how internet fame enables bad behavior, the fragility of public accountability, and examines the socioeconomic backdrop of online callouts—especially against the backdrop of a crumbling social safety net.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Latest Meltdown: James Charles vs. Spirit GoFundMe

• [02:03] James Charles recently got into controversy after a former Spirit Airlines employee messaged him about her GoFundMe.

  • Instead of ignoring the DM, James took to TikTok to berate her as "lazy and entitled," suggesting she should look for a job instead.
  • Quote (B, 04:32): “Maybe I would help… But this. Bitch. You lost your fucking job. Oh… what’re we going to do? Nothing.”

• [08:18] Details on the GoFundMe:

  • The woman's GoFundMe had a modest goal—only $1,100.
  • James Charles is extremely wealthy, earning tens of thousands per YouTube video.

2. Why James Charles? A Deep Dive Into His “Origin Story”

• [12:25] Introducing James Charles:

  • Born James Charles Dickinson in upstate New York; started uploading makeup and singing videos as a teenager.
  • Viral Breakout (2016): His glammed-up yearbook photo went viral, launching him as the first male “CoverGirl” at age 17.
  • Quote (A, 14:59): “He hates his yearbook picture... So he paid to have the photographer come back… blocky eyebrows… a top knot bun with shaved sides. This is the most quintessential 2016 image that has ever been taken.”

• [16:20] First “CoverBoy,” Ellen Appearance and Virality:

  • Announced via Katy Perry’s Instagram; became emblematic of a new era of “gender-fluid” online branding.
  • [25:30] He went on Ellen, survived the 'succubus,' and avoided the usual viral burnout.

3. Recurring Controversies, #Dramageddon & Internet Fame

• [26:02] Racist Tweets & First Apologies:

  • Made a racist “Ebola/Africa” joke, triggering his first apology and establishing a cycle of controversy, apology, and continued fame.

• [29:21] Sisters Tour & YouTube Stardom:

  • Built a massive following (16.5M by 2019); regularly collaborated with other YouTubers (Emma Chamberlain, Dolan twins).

• [33:16] The “Jeffree Star Problem” – Beauty Community Wars:

  • Jeffree Star, feeling threatened by James’s rising star, allegedly began plotting against him with others in the beauty guru space.

• [36:08] Tati Westbrook & The Vitamin Wars:

  • Tati (older beauty YouTuber) launches expensive supplement line “Halo Beauty”; is threatened by the popularity of “Sugar Bear Hair” competitor (gummy vitamins).

  Wider Point (A, 41:04): “Companies didn’t realize they were on the precipice of pivoting to weed gummies. They just thought people wanted a sweet treat.”

4. Dramageddon – The Great Coachella Incident

• [41:15] Where all influencer drama happens: Coachella.

  • James, without security, is mobbed by fans and takes a desperate brand deal from Sugar Bear Hair (melatonin gummies) in exchange for protection.
  • Tati sees this as a massive betrayal since her vitamins are the (supposed) competitor.

• [47:32] The “Bye Sister” Video & Public Shaming:

  • Tati’s emotional video accuses James of disloyalty and alleged predatory behavior toward straight men.
  • Quote (A, 51:20): “She presented it as sad, victimized white woman gay panic.”

• [53:15] James cut off from the internet: On an overseas flight while cancellation peaks; scrambles to post a poorly received apology.

5. Homophobia, Parasocial Attachments, and Cancel Culture Mechanics

• [55:54] James Charles posts “No More Lies” — shows receipts but misses the point.

  • The fallout revolves around “gay panic,” and the weaponization of homophobic narratives against him.
  • Quote (B, 57:04): “We live in a world where there’s gay people who are coded straight and straight people who are coded gay…”

• [61:18] The Beauty Community’s House of Cards Falls

  • Tati “recants” a year later, blaming her initial outrage at James on Jeffree Star and Shane Dawson “getting in her ear.”
  • This triggers a new wave of backlash, now pointed at Jeffree and Shane, as their own problematic histories (racism, blackface) resurface.

• [66:56] James Charles pivots to TikTok, gains 40M followers, and continues business as usual — despite ongoing allegations.

6. The Pattern of Predatory DMs and Non-Apology Apologies

• [67:06] Allegations from underage boys emerge in 2020-2024:

  • Multiple boys (minors) come forward saying James Charles pursued them with aggressive/inappropriate DMs, mostly on Snapchat/TikTok.
  • James posts a Notes App apology:
    • Quote (A, 72:55): “One of the last lines… ‘I’ll make sure to ask for IDs from now on.’”
  • The hosts clarify: these are allegations involving boys, not “young men,” underlining media’s tendency to sanitize language for male victims.

• [75:13] New Apology Videos: “Holding Myself Accountable” on April 1st (hosts’ engagement anniversary).

7. Full-Circle: Why the Spirit Airlines GoFundMe Rant Was So Outrageous

• [76:45] James Charles’ complete lack of concept of real work:

  • He has never had a service job, never scraped by, went straight from high school to multi-millionaire.
  • Quote (A, 77:26): “He never had a shift. Never had a true boss. Never had to worry about rent…”

• [78:23] His immense, undented popularity (40M TikTok followers) means apologies don’t matter and accountability is negligible.

  • Internet cycles move too fast, platforms silo “cancellations” (YouTube fame is separate from TikTok, etc.).
  • A discussion of how internationalization and bots also bloat numbers with minimal real-world consequences.

• [80:42] Systemic critique:

  • The GoFundMe was just $1,100—"the amount to float until unemployment might be able to start."

  • James could easily have ignored, quietly donated, or signaled-boosted her campaign; instead, he berated her, weaponizing privilege.

  • Quote (B, 82:23): “You could have just ignored it—the way you ignored all those people saying they were 16.”

  • Eventually, under backlash (boosted by other influencers like Jackie Aina and Gypsy Rose Blanchard, [89:53]), he donates $500 under his legal name and then $5,000 under his influencer brand.

  • The original GoFundMe, thanks to the drama, now exceeds $26,000 ([90:32]).

  • Meta-Reflection ([91:28]): American society's reliance on GoFundMe is a massive policy failure.

    • “Everyone that has any type of big medical expense has to have a GoFundMe to pay for it.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Why do we have to talk about James Charles again?

  • A (01:55): “I can’t promise I have the answer to why he is.”
  • B (04:32): “What are we going to do? Nothing. So, yeah, that’s a bad person. Especially on ‘you’re lazy because the company you worked for went $8 billion into debt.’”

• On influencer DMs:

  • B (06:23): “When it comes to Instagram in particular... there’s a hidden folder inside a hidden folder... One out of every a hundred messages is actually from a human being…”

• Pop culture, wrestling, and influencer drama:

  • B (34:03): “This is wrestling. You have a hot new talent... The old guard decides: Do we ally with him? Do we bury him? … Or do we drain all the charisma from them and cast them aside?”

• On Tati’s “Bye Sister” video and the “gay panic” narrative:

  • A (51:20): “She presented it as... sad, victimized white woman gay panic.”

• On non-apology and lack of accountability:

  • A (72:55): “I’ll make sure to ask for IDs from now on.”
  • A (77:26): “He never had a real fucking job... never was a barista, never waited a table...”

• On GoFundMe, inequality, and failures of the social safety net:

  • A (91:28): “That’s why I get so mad when I’m reading these GoFundMes. It’s such a failure of our government… every big medical expense becomes a GoFundMe.”

• Summing Up (A/B, 87:14 – 88:09):

  • A: “For James Charles to be as wealthy as he is, to have not put in a lot of labor behind it... It doesn’t fly anymore.”
  • B: “And also the Spirit Airlines of it all — there’s a racial component… Him shitting on somebody who worked at Spirit because he thought ‘I’m so above them’… The serfs shouldn’t talk to me this way.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:03–04:03 | Spirit GoFundMe drama explained and James’s TikTok rant | | 09:15–16:20 | The “origin story” of James Charles, CoverGirl fame, and the birth of a viral influencer | | 26:02–29:02 | Early Twitter/race controversy, rise to YouTube stardom | | 33:16–36:08 | Beauty YouTube wars: Jeffree Star’s jealousy and plotting | | 41:15–47:32 | Coachella meltdown: brand deal, betrayal, and “Bye Sister” | | 55:54–57:42 | “No More Lies” and the “gay panic” accusations | | 61:18–65:42 | Tati’s recantation and the “Dramageddon” effect on the beauty community | | 66:56–72:55 | Transition to TikTok, ongoing grooming allegations, and Notes App pseudo-apologies | | 75:13–80:42 | Failure of apologies, persistent allegations, and the “never had a real job” thesis | | 82:23–90:32 | The aftermath: donations to GoFundMe, viral escalation, and inequality | | 91:28–94:07 | System critique: the GoFundMe-ification of social welfare, segue to Frances Perkins |

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Tone, Structure, and Host Dynamics

• Language & Tone:

  • Irreverent, satirical, political, and unapologetically “girly pop.”
  • Mixes pop culture, gossip, and sharp social commentary with personal anecdotes.

• Host Attribution:

  • Mrs. P (A) is the “researcher” and storyteller, guiding the listener through intricate online subcultures.
  • Pearlmania500 (B) reacts, relates influencer drama to wrestling, and provides political context, making complex issues accessible and absurd.

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Conclusion

This episode of Too Many Tabs delivers a meticulous, barbed, and culture-savvy post-mortem on James Charles’ latest controversy, unpacking his history of internet scandal and lack of accountability, in the context of the changing norms of online fame, influencer marketing, and societal injustice. Listeners walk away understanding both the ridiculousness and the deeper consequences of internet culture’s biggest beauty guru “meltdowns,” with helpful context if you’ve never heard of dramageddon, Tati Westbrook, or why every major influencer drama seems to start at Coachella.

For further exploration: The hosts hint at a Patreon bonus segment on Frances Perkins, the New Deal, and the history of labor rights—a possible antidote to the spectacle of internet influencer drama.

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Key Takeaway:
James Charles’ ongoing scandals are not only a symptom of influencer culture and its bad incentives, but also a window into privilege, platform silos, public callouts, and the failures of the modern social safety net.

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Table of Contents

• Episode Overview
• Key Discussion Points & Insights
• Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
• Timestamps for Key Segments
• Tone, Structure, and Host Dynamics
• Conclusion

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For more:

• Follow Too Many Tabs wherever you get your podcasts.
• Patreon extended audio: in-depth segment on Frances Perkins and labor history.

Transcript

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Stop. That's not what this episode's about.

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Oh, what's this episode about?

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James Charles. Too many times.

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Remember to smile. Welcome to Too Many Tabs, a podcast where husband and wife duo sit next to each other at a table. And it is our annual time of year where Mrs. P holds me down, opens my eyes like it's bird box, and once again teaches me about James Charles.

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That's right. Because you always forget.

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I always.

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You don't remember the things I tell you.

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It's. No, no, no, no, no. It's not that I always forget. It's that I want to forget James Charles.

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Yeah.

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James Charles is a entity that I refuse to understand.

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Yeah.

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Because. Because every time I see James Charles, I go, why?

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Why?

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Why is James Charles?

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I might have the answer to that. I. I can't promise I do. I don't know if I have the, like, full answer to why he is.

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Yeah.

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But here's what happened.

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Okay.

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Recently, James Charles got into some more controversy because he got back in his dms.

[B]

Okay. So here's the thing. I just want to start off by saying I should not know as a 42 year old suburban dad.

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Yeah.

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That James Charles DM controversy should not already be a TikTok search term that pops up at the top of the comments for me.

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Yeah.

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But here we are. Yeah, here we are.

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We're back.

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Here we are. We're back.

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Well, it's not the same stuff as before.

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Oh, it's not.

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No. What happened is, I don't know if you heard Spirit. Spirit Airlines went out of business.

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I did an episode of Crashing out about it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. You know who didn't hear about Spirit Airlines going out of business? The Secretary of Transportation. Because he was too Busy taking a 7 month all paid tour of the country paid for by Toyota and Royal Caribbean. So he didn't try to save the 17,000 employees of Spirit.

[A]

That tracks so hard.

[B]

It does.

[A]

Okay, so here's the thing. Spirit Airlines goes out of business. Many people, like you said, lost their jobs.

[B]

17,000 people. That's. That's just for Spirit themselves. Not even the connected organizations. Yeah, yeah.

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So one of those people, a young woman, started a GoFundMe because she was struggling after losing her job.

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Okay.

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And she wanted to like get a little bit of, you know, a safety net. Build up a small safety net.

[B]

Okay.

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So she makes this gofundme and she messages a bunch of famous people, I assume, including James Charles.

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Got it.

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She sends it in his DMs and she's like, listen, I just lost my job. I had this GoFundMe and anything helps, blah blah. And James Charles response to this was to go into Tick Tock and scream at her that she's a lazy and entitled and that she would have been better off instead of creating a GoFundMe page, sending out her resume and getting a new job.

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You know what? I don't think, I don't think that that actually even like covers the, the, the venom that came from that. So you know what, let's just, let's just go ahead and play a highlight of it real fast. You know what else would help you? Getting another job. Welcome to the real world. I could at least understand if you were like, James, I'm a longtime fan. Here's a trillion years of DMS and, and my support for you. I love you. I'm suffering with a really rare genetic disease that there is no cure for. And I'm trying to raise money for

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myself and other people that have this.

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Maybe I would help. Maybe I would help because I love you and I appreciate you this. Bitch. You lost your fucking job. Oh, oh, oh, oh. What are we going to do? Nothing. So, yeah, that's a bad person. That's a bad person. Especially on you're lazy because the company you worked for went $8 billion into debt.

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Yeah.

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The company you worked for went so deeply into debt while the Secretary of Transportation took his nine kids rock climbing his nine kids. Nine kids.

[A]

If nine kids are rock climbing all at the same time on a cruise ship. Oh, my God.

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Yeah, he took them on a cruise ship. He has nine kids. By the way, just so you guys know, our Secretary of Transportation. You know how he got the job? Do you want to get the job?

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Fox News host.

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He was. He does himself. Okay. No, but he also was on the Real World Road Rules Challenge.

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Was it the Miz?

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No, no, it was Sean Duffy.

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I don't know who that is. Exactly, miss.

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Exactly. I know. You know about the biz for Road Rules.

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Well, no, I know about the Miz from wrestling.

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Yeah, you know about the Miz from wwe.

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And then I was like, oh, right. He was that guy from the Road Rules.

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Yeah.

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But I clocked him only as wrestling.

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Well, now you only know him as wrestling. But most people knew him as the reality star who became a wrestler. Not to be confused with the reality star who's in the WWE hall of Fame, who is our president, who let Spirit Airlines die.

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Thing is, wrestling, everything is wrestling. I was. I was. I was looking at all the backlash that was happening. A lot of things. Backlash happening. And people are asking questions like, why are you in your DMs?

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Yes, James Charles, here's the thing.

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When you have over 100,000 followers, your DMs are untenable.

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Yeah.

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There's no reason to be in there.

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I can speak to that.

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Yeah, please.

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I will. I will at some point. Because I have. I think at this point, last I checked, it was like 5 million across all platforms.

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Okay.

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Right between TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, etc. I like. I do, like, once a week, not getting our Patreon DMs, which are special and different. That's. That's if you guys are different. Honestly, if you want to reach us, join our [e-mail] and then send us a message through Patreon. We see those. Yeah. But when it comes to Instagram in particular, Instagram is terrible because Instagram has a request folder, and then there's a hidden request folder. So I've had in the past, T. Pain went through this, actually, where T. Pain discovered. He was like, why are none of these celebrities ever reached out to me? I'm. I'm this big artist. And then discovered there's a. There's a hidden folder inside the hidden folder because it filters so much stuff. But inside of all of those between, I'd say one out of every a hundred messages is actually from a human being. And isn't just somebody reacting to a story or forwarding me a video that they think I might be interested or just straight up a scam? I get so many scams, and I get a lot of GoFundMe or give send, Go or these. Like, I can't vet all of them.

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Yeah.

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And it's really, like, unless I can find something that has been vetted and we can confirm. We've. We've done a few for, like, GoFundMe, where when the I95 bridge collapse, the driver of the truck, we found their. The kids. GoFundMe.

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Yeah.

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And we. Of his child. And so we went and we, like, you know, highlighted that one. And we've done a few other ones over time. They're so difficult to vet, and there's so many scams that happen that you kind of have to, like, be like, I am so sorry. And if, you know, so I try to give where I can, and that's kind of where you have to treat it, because I don't know if any of these accounts are real. And so, like, it would actually make sense if somebody. I'm not saying this woman was. What would make sense, though, is if I was a scammer and I saw a big story like Spirit Airlines happen. I would pretend to be. Somebody said, I just lost my job. But what. She has words like, anything else? Anything else. She wasn't even asking, I don't think. Was she even asking.

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Like, guess how much she was asking for.

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How much was she asking for?

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I wrote it down. I, I'm pretty sure it was, like, 1200 bucks.

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It was under 2K.

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It was under 2K.

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He makes that.

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Yeah.

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So James Charles videos typically have, like, nearly a million views on mean, on YouTube. And then, like, if you look at, like, if you look at the breath, he's making that in maybe a day.

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Yeah.

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Like, like, maybe.

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I, I, he's making.

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He's making more than that.

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Well, more than.

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Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying, though, it's like, for him, $2,000 is a tip.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's like just, that's just like, a tip that you would leave.

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So here's the thing. This whole James Charles thing.

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Yeah.

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I'm online. Ticket, ticket, ticket, ticket, ticket. Looking at. Because here's what I knew. I knew as soon as the Spirit Airline thing, we had to talk about it. We got to talk about it. And then I was like, I'm going to have to do history podcasts about James Charles, because it's history at this Point. He's been around a long time.

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Oh, oh. James Charles has been around.

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This is a comedy history podcast where

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two people talk about their opinions. Their opinions, Jokes. Jokes.

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And then I accidentally opened a lot of tabs, and I ended up having tabs about Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal.

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What?

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It got really crazy.

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Okay?

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So that's. I really. I. What I need to do is I want to go through the history of James Charles so I can explain to you why this Spirit Airlines thing is so insane in a, like, in a more unpacked way.

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Okay.

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Other than, like, this man just yelled at a stranger and told her she was lazy.

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Got it.

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This is like. There's so much deeper to unpack in this. And then somehow I ended up.

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So. So what you're saying. So what you're saying is, is that we need to just take a whiff of poppers.

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Yeah.

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Dilate our brain and allow the James Charles of it all in so we can understand exactly how fucked up this is.

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Yeah. And also, I do want to be. I. I need to be clear for a minute. Hold on. Look at the camera. This is an episode about girly pop stuff.

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Okay?

[A]

This is a girly pop episode, okay? And do not get into my comment section and start talking about how you're tired of these quote, soy topics, okay? The first episodes of this podcast are about Jeffree star Hilario Baldwin and girl defined. This has always been a girly pop podcast that happens to have politics because everything relates to politics, okay? This entire show is for the gals, and what the gals think is fun. And then we happen to talk about politics because Permania 500 here, and he always wants to talk about politics. But girly pop feminine topics and fun is the foundation of this podcast. Not a thing that happens once in a while that annoys you. And if you think it's appropriate to call feminine adjacent things soy as a negative, you are in the wrong fucking place. That is the. If you call feminine things soy in my comments section, I'm blocking you from this point forward, okay? Real rat.

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Okay. Okay. This. Now, this is how you. There's one guy who wrote a comment two weeks ago that. That is about. On YouTube. So, guys, before we go any further, like, subscribe, comment, give us five stars. Write how much? Write. Write your favorite soy latte recipe in the comments.

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People drink oat milk now.

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Is it oatmeal?

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It's oat milk now.

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You know what I heard about. Oh, what? I heard oat milk. I don't know. I can't think of anything. I can't think of anything that doesn't end up be actually turning into a conspiracy. The. Yeah, that's one of the issues is even you make a joke, it becomes a conspiracy theory real fast.

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Yeah.

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I just discovered that the whole hantavirus, FEMA camp conspiracy theory bullshit that's been going around on TikTok.

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Yeah.

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Is from an X Files episode from 1996. Because again, anything is just like the Simpsons episode we talked about. Everything absurd becomes real. Yeah, it just becomes real because.

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Monster under an escalator in an old mall right now.

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Yeah, just right now. Just waiting. Yeah.

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Okay, so where did James Charles come from? Let's start there.

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Okay. Mama's vagina. That's what I'm going to guess.

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Upstate New York.

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Okay.

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Bad enough his full legal name is James Charles Dickinson.

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Charles isn't even his last name.

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No, it's his middle name.

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His. His last name is Dickinson.

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James Charles Dickinson.

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Okay. All right, now here's the thing.

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Deeply unserious people.

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Deeply unserious.

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His dad's name is Skip. Skip Dickinson.

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Listen, but I don't want to throw. I don't want to throw stones at names, but if someone's like, hello, I'm Skip Dickinson, I'd be like, I hope. Okay. All right.

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As a young teenager, he used to upload makeup videos onto a YouTube channel he created. Also a lot of skills, singing videos. He loved to, like, just, like, sing pop songs. They're not good. He does not have a good singing voice.

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How old is Jason?

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In my opinion.

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How old? When was he born? Do we know?

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I didn't look that up. But he's in his 20s.

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There's no way he's still in his 20s.

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Listen, now I gotta Google it.

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I need to know. I need to know, when was it? When was James Charles born?

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How old is James Charles?

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That wasn't what I asked. I asked when he was born.

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He's 26 years old. He was born May 23, 1999.

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How is he 26? I feel like I've heard about this person now for, like, 17 years.

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Yeah. Okay, so he's young, teacher, teenager. He's making terrible YouTube videos, in my opinion, and they were. They were catastrophically bad. I want to be honest.

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Okay, yeah, but he's a child.

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He's a child.

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He's a child making YouTube. Because we looked it up. He's born 1999. Right. So. So because of that, YouTube starts in 2006. Is really when it breaks out to everywhere. So he's like he was like born into YouTube almost.

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Yeah.

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You know, there's a whole generation after him that they don't know a world without YouTube. But James Charles is like, so we're early YouTuber, early adopter.

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Yeah.

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Playing around with it. And it was from a time too when you could just throw stuff on YouTube and you weren't expecting to monetize it. You weren't expecting to throw to ads or, you know, have that.

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You just wanted to share your thoughts with the world.

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You were just trying stuff. And this was back in the day when like, oh, my God, the local news would cover you. I got this person got 10,000 views on YouTube. Are they the next viral sensation?

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Anyway, he decides this is separately from his YouTube that he hates his yearbook picture is yearbook. Yeah. So basically, like I said, he's really into makeup. He loves to put on makeup.

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Okay.

[A]

And he has his yearbook picture taken and he hates it. So he paid to have the photographer come back so he could redo his yearbook photo. This is what it looks like. Blocky eyebrows, a full lash, a bunch of highlighter, chiseled nose, and then also a top knot bun with the shaved sides. This is the most quintessential 2016 image that has ever been taken. Yeah, it is so 2016.

[B]

That is very 2016.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Also it's very teen to care.

[A]

Yeah. And there's like a second picture of him putting on his highlighter. It's just, it's. It. It's so 2016.

[B]

What? He had 67,000 likes on that post on Twitter.

[A]

So, yeah. That's what happens is he posts the pictures of his yearbook photo shoot, the one that he paid for.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

On his Twitter account.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And it went super viral.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

And it was like a big, big deal all over the Twitter. And he gets so much attention from this viral tweet of this images that CoverGirl, the famous makeup company that's been around for 65.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that Tyra Banks has been having these young girls fight over to get a deal with, reaches out to him and makes him the first cover boy.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Yeah. So he gets a CoverGirl deal out of it.

[B]

Yeah. And this is. And this is 2016. So we're right in the beginning. This is. This is like at the height, I want to say, of a term I'm going to use. It's like post game. It's right around Gamergate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's I would say, like the woke wars, where there's an online discourse, especially around gender and gender fluidity. That now when we look back on 10 years later, just the entire time looks like at a canon event. And there was a lot in there too, because James. That was this part of the novelty of James Charles.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that James Charles is a boy putting on makeup?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And not, not doing full drag. Not doing, you know, these, like, it was a different thing. So I was like, oh, my God, is this the new generation? Are boys going to start wearing makeup even though men have worn makeup forever? The president wears makeup.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's not naturally that color.

[B]

No.

[A]

You're talking about his hand.

[B]

No, I'm talking about the whole thing, baby. That president wears makeup. All TV personalities wear makeup. Like, you know, you wear makeup, I wear makeup when I go on tv.

[A]

That's true. And then I was going to say the woker.

[B]

Well, there's the woker, which I debated about whether or not to show up when you told me we're going to do James Charles. No, I really did debate it. But on top of that, though. Yeah. When you do tv, when you're under certain lights.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's times, there's sometimes where I look real bad. I turn to you and I'm like, I need, I got a thing right here. We need to cover that. You're like, well, then I got to do your whole face.

[A]

I got to do your whole thing.

[B]

I know. We just go like that.

[A]

You're like, no, that's how you look like the president's hand.

[B]

That's how you look like the president.

[A]

The whole thing.

[B]

You got to blend.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You got to blend. And that's the one thing I will give James. James Charles sometimes blends. Sometimes. Okay. I'd say in that he blended.

[A]

No, no. So, so fun fact. His campaign as the first male brand ambassador was announced by Katy Perry on her Instagram.

[B]

Okay. So they're tying them all together.

[A]

Here's a picture of her with six 17 year old James.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I hate that.

[B]

I hate that. And this is while she was married to Russell Brand.

[A]

Yeah, probably so.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Well.

[B]

Yep. All right.

[A]

She has like a weird history of like being too touchy with young boys. Like the Justin Bieber of it all. Like, there's like a lot of weird stuff. Yeah, she's. She. I mean, we already know she's weird. We did a whole episode about.

[B]

We did a whole. Yeah. Apple cider vinegar. But the, the one thing I'll say is also when you mean by being weird with kids, I think there's also the Katy Perry of it all is the kids Choice awards of it all. Yeah, it's more along those lines because she knows it's kind of the same way. Like that the band Cat's Eye.

[A]

I don't know what Cat's Eye. The.

[B]

The girl group.

[A]

The girl group. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

K Pop. There was a video I saw a while ago and it was of two gay men went to a Cat's Eye concert.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And they're thinking, yes, it's gonna be. Yes, honey, it's gonna be cunty and it's gonna be all this. And they got there and it was 12 year old girls. Yeah, it's because. Yeah, this. Some of this stuff is like they. They need to market at children who then grow into it. You're planting seeds.

[A]

I don't like about cats. I love the much.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you so much. It's a great shirt. Okay.

[A]

Okay. No, the thing I don't like about Cat's Eye and a lot about the pop culture, the pop groups of like current times, is that all the Girly pops are the same. And it. Because like, I grew up in a time of Spice Girls where each one had a personality.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, there's Scary Spice, there's Sporty Spice, there's Ginger Spice, Posh Spice. Like, like every group like that had a different personality. Like, Beyonce came from a girl group.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like that you. And that happened with the boy groups as well. Like, Justin Timberlake came out of a boy group. Like, it was like each one was like, oh, he's the cool guy, he's the hip hop guy. Or he's the. He's the level one. You're like, that's Lance Bass. You're gonna find out later about why he's like that. But nowadays they are all the same.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't. They don't have like a different personality. Not that they're not prepackaged personality points, but like, it's weird that they don't each get to be their own individual.

[B]

Well, so the reason why is because on their individual pages is where they're slightly different, but they all present similar on stage. Because we now grow up at a time where knowing how the sausage is made and how it's being consumed is part of the fandom.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

So before with the Spice Girls, the conceit. The of it kind of was as. At least the Spice Girls were sold to America was that, oh my God, these are five ladies who came together and Girl Power and oh my God, look how five different women can come together. Girl power. Now It's. This is. We cut them down from 100.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We figured this out, and we've. We've cut them down to six, probably five now, but that, like, they've cut them down to this level, and this is it. And this is the marketing package. And people know exactly who their choreographers are. People know everything about them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the background. It's the same thing again, that's to say everything is wrestling. But the same thing happens with wrestling now where, like, people don't enjoy wrestling matches anymore. They talk about the ticket sales. They talk about the ratings of it. They talk about the booking. They talk about everything around what's actually happening, both on the stage or in the ring. And that is kind of part of all of this. And James is. James Charles here is kind of right at the end of that. Because now people. Because now having Katy Perry launcher. Cover boy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People immediately on TikTok would be like, plant.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

You can't do this now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because now they're like, oh, Katy Perry's involved. Okay. What agency is he with? Okay. Who's the manager? What's the market?

[A]

What are his parents do? Is he a Nepo baby?

[B]

Yeah. Immediately. People are immediately going to the Wikipedia.

[A]

Nobody was asking about Skip Dickinson until I brought it up.

[B]

Nobody. I never heard of Skip Dickinson. Okay.

[A]

He's a contractor in upstate New York.

[B]

Oh, really? Okay.

[A]

There's, like. There is a very funny video of, like, James Charles trying to learn his dad's trade, and his dad's, like, trying to teach him how to, like, fix toilets and stuff in the house.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And James is, like, in nails with a full beat of makeup.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, dad, I don't know. And you're like, this. This is probably the funniest dynamic.

[B]

It's probably the most they did together.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. James Charles does feel like, why do I have to hold a flashlight?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was the flashlight kid.

[A]

I got more than the flashlight. I was taught how to do the things.

[B]

Yeah, I know. It's been very. It's been very evident in our household, which is why now you talk to contractors, and I sit at the side and go, that seems a little much.

[A]

What color is it gonna be? So fun fact. I also, when I was pulling up this stuff about COVID boy, because he's the COVID boy.

[B]

Cover boy.

[A]

There was a short time that there was a makeup company called coverboy. And I know this because it was created by one of our favorite drag queens, Willem. He made a makeup company called coverboy that got a lot of cease and desist letters and had to close the brand. And the thing is, is, like, I'm pretty sure this is just my opinion. I think Willem just made coverboy so that it would cause legal discourse so that he could sell it out and then not worry about it later. Yeah, I see you, girl.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We love Willem.

[A]

He's the best.

[B]

We love Willem's problematic ass.

[A]

He's my favorite.

[B]

That's the thing is sometimes when people are like, separate the art from the artist. I'm like, no, take them together.

[A]

So what else did I think about? Okay, so there's all this fame. 2016. What's the only response to getting a lot of Viral fame in 2016?

[B]

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[A]

I do.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

But they also gluten free pasta.

[B]

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[A]

So it's 2016.

[B]

Okay, 2016.

[A]

We have a lot of fame going. A lot of viral fame.

[B]

Yeah. Because James Charles did have a yearbook

[A]

photo and he's a cover boy.

[B]

Cover boy.

[A]

Okay. So it's 2016. A lot of fame. Viral. Viral fame. What happens next?

[B]

Historically, you go on Ellen.

[A]

That's right. You went on Ellen.

[B]

You went on Ellie. He survived going on Ellen.

[A]

I was saying he should have been decimated by that.

[B]

Ellen used to drain the virality out of.

[A]

She was a famed succubus.

[B]

The only person who could survive was Kaylin Allen.

[A]

We love Kalyn, Kaylin.

[B]

We love you. We love you. But that's. That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. So James Charles goes on Ellen. Yeah. What do they do? They put on makeup.

[A]

Like, she's like, what do you do? And he's like, no, I'm just like, I just love doing makeup.

[B]

I just like makeup.

[A]

It's vanilla. It's boring. So around the same time.

[B]

That's not what happened, Ellen. Well, that's still my favorite.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

I love the fact that Ellen DeGeneres would have a job if it wasn't for 9 11. And if you understand that joke, go outside, touch grass, literally get sun on your face. Maybe plan a hike with a friend where you can talk because you haven't in too long.

[A]

So around this time, also, some tweets come out because, of course, he makes racist tweets.

[B]

Oh, he had racist tweets when he was a child.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. And he made his first apology video about the racist tweets. Hold on. Let me show you what it is. Okay. Don't worry. I have a link to James Charles. Racist tweets. It says, I can't believe we're going to Africa today. Oh, my God. What if we get Ebola? James, We're. We're fine. We could have gotten it at Chipotle last year.

[B]

Wait, was. Yeah, he's making an Ebola.

[A]

He was making it. He was traveling to Africa.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And he was making a joke about how he's gonna get Ebola in Africa.

[B]

And then he also was making a joke that A bowl from Chipotle Bowl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he's making a pun about a deadly disease in Africa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he sent this. This is after he became famous.

[A]

No, this was in 2017. This is like. I'm saying, like, he. After.

[B]

After Ellen.

[A]

Yeah. Then we have our first.

[B]

His first real contract, his first controversy,

[A]

which is going to be. He's going to Africa as the ambassador for cover boy.

[B]

That's not great. So he's going on behalf of a brand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Got it. Because I was like, it's a bad joke. It is a bad thing. It did remind me, though, there was a lady who Got canceled mid flight to Africa.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It was a long time ago, but there was a lady who like sent like, she posted some tweet about like, I think he was selling along the lines of like, I'm going to Africa, hope I don't get AIDS or something.

[A]

I remember that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So she posts this tweet, gets on the plane. This is back when planes didn't have Internet.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

By the time she lands, she had been fired from her job.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it was like a 12 hour flight or whatever. And it went viral across the Internet and everybody's like posting popcorn, eating gifts and everything. I think she wrote a book about it because we don't either.

[A]

She is. So I don't.

[B]

But this now. And now you can post that and become, I think the head of the fda.

[A]

Something like.

[B]

Something like that.

[A]

So.

[B]

So he posts about Ebola, apology. Makes an apology on behalf of the brand and himself. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's Twitter apology.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay. Now he's also at the same time becoming very popular on YouTube more than before. And because he's doing collabs, he. He like does like. Oh, I forgot what they were called. I didn't write down. Him and Emma Chamberlain and the Dolan twins create like a little. Yeah, no, don't make me unpack any of why I know that.

[B]

I. Okay.

[A]

So though, they start doing. Filming videos together and they grow their whole brands together anyway.

[B]

Is it like a Hype House type of thing?

[A]

Yeah, it's like Hype House, but they don't live together.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Just always film together in LA and Ally.

[B]

Okay, so because. Or do they all live in LA then?

[A]

They all lived in la.

[B]

Okay. So they just do like weekend visits,

[A]

I guess, vlogs and they drive around, they go to McDonald's or whatever. Yeah, it was all very that, you know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So he also makes plans out a cross country tour.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Called the Sisters Tour.

[B]

The Sisters Tour.

[A]

Because famously whenever he starts his YouTube videos, he goes, hi, sisters.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's how he starts all of his YouTube.

[B]

That's how he starts all of his

[A]

videos made the Sisters Tour.

[B]

It would be so funny if we forced Mr. Third to put together a. A compilation of James Charles saying, hi Sisters. But we're not gonna do that because the baby was sick this week and we're recording a couple days late. But also, speaking of tours, crashing out tour.com. i'm coming to a city near you.

[A]

I only put this little nugget in here.

[B]

Nugget in there. Just So I could do the promo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're so smart. I love it.

[A]

I'm a thoughtful person.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

So his channel is rapidly growing insane numbers. By 2019, he has 16.5 million followers on YouTube.

[B]

How many of this 20?

[A]

16.5 followers on YouTube.

[B]

Okay. That's a lot of followers.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

That's a big number.

[A]

That's a big number.

[B]

That's a big number. I look pretty. Recently, he's at like 26 million, something like that now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is crazy because, like, he starts getting canceled a lot after this.

[A]

That's the thing about being a white guy on the Internet. You canceled, but your. Your numbers still go up. It's very odd. Well, I think anyone else would face repercussions.

[B]

I have. I actually have a theory is that the. The. The subscriber base never goes down. Like followers, subscribers. When you see some of these people get canceled over time. Because I've watched. I've watched with my own numbers, when people have tried to create controversy about me, I've watched it with other people. Is the only time you'll see it go down a little bit is if they were cusping. So, like, if you're at, like on TikTok, for instance. Right. So if you're at like 1.1 million, you might not actually be at 1,100,000. Well, you actually are. At least on TikTok is you're at 1,050,001. God, it rounds up. And so you lose 10 followers. And people go, they lost 100,000 followers. No, they didn't. They lost two.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they just dropped down to 49. And so it's like that. Like, those type of things can happen a little bit. And then a lot of these. A lot of these platforms have also kind of removed some of the tools and the data scraping to be able to see that stuff. It's like with down downvotes on YouTube. Thumbs down.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You can't see how many people thumb down things.

[A]

No. It's sad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bring it back.

[B]

Well, the reason why it went away, part of it was because of Lady Ghostbusters and other things.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

I know why.

[A]

I know you're feeling Ghostbusters.

[B]

Lady Ghostbusters was a cultural gamergate touchstone moment that had ripples in culture.

[A]

I didn't understand because I just wanted to enjoy Lady Ghostbusters because you don't

[B]

understand how Jeffrey Epstein and Breitbart cooked people's brains to put a pedophile in the fucking White House. On behalf of Israel.

[A]

So this is thing. He's rapidly growing now. There's a lot of people in the makeup space because that's where he's at. He's in the beauty makeup space on YouTube because he's doing his makeup. Jeffree star Manny Mua, Tati Westbrook, Laura Lee, Nikita Dragon. And for some ungodly reason, Shane Dawson is going to show up.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

I just need a. I just need Mr. Third to put a clip of him being like, guys, I'm kind of getting better anyway. That's deep cut. No one will know what that is. Well, no, the people will know what that is. You don't know what that is.

[B]

I don't know what this is. You're throwing out names that I've heard in past passing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Many times. Also. About half of these names you have desperately tried to explain to me either on this podcast or off camera.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And every time I just went, no. Yeah, these are a lot of. These are ones that I've refused.

[A]

But you can't now.

[B]

I can't now is on. My camera's on.

[A]

You gotta learn.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So here's the. Here's some more backstory. We have to go back a little bit into something else so we can come back on to James. Wait. Nope. That. I mean, like, that.

[B]

Oh, Jesus.

[A]

So jeffree Star, who's an evil yak goblin. God damn.

[B]

I actually know what that means. That's the worst part. Jeffree Star owns a yak farm.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. Bigot Psycho. Yeah. Oh, he looks like a vampire.

[A]

He does look like a vampire.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Jeffree Star Go Yak Goblin has 15 million followers at this time on YouTube. On YouTube. So of course he sees this younger, fresher face quickly passing him, in my opinion. And he allegedly starts plotting against him with the other beauty gurus. And I guess the plot is to, like, get him canceled or something or, like, just make it so that he's a pariah in the space.

[B]

So. So real fast, because this is wrestling.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This actually notes straight up, guys. This exact stuff happens in pro wrestling all the fucking time. You have a hot new talent comes in, and the old guard in the industry can immediately decide, do we ally with him and make him part of our in group, or do we bury him? Do we destroy him right now? Or there's a third option.

[A]

What's that?

[B]

Which is you bring them in and you drain all the charisma from them and then cast them aside. That is eleaning. That is eleaning to a degree. That Most people can't process, but Dusty Rhodes used to do that all the time. Yeah, it was actually like a Dusty Rhodes thing, straight up. I'm describing Dusty Roads, all that aura farming now. Yeah, now it'd be aura farming a little bit. Our reforming is also just like with wrestling cases and maybe, maybe Kardashian cases as well. Yeah, it's. You're not really doing anything. You just kind of stand like. So like Roman Reigns are a farms. He's not that great of a wrestler, but he has amazing entrances. Yeah, that. That people look at that. You're just farming. You're farming the cheers by doing really nothing. But in wrestling, Dusty Rhodes would always partner himself. Dusty Rhodes was the Ellen of his day. He would partner himself with the new hot talent that was coming up. He'd always tag with them and do a bunch of things until they're. They kind of cooled off. And then he would move on to the next one.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Triple H and Shawn Michaels, they would destroy people through degeneration X and other things. And they would stab a bunch of wrestlers in the back. It's the reason why the Rock hates Triple H and Shawn Michaels to this very fucking day. And then completely destroying them, though, it's just Hulk Hogan. Yeah, of course, that's just completely destroying them is Hulk Hogan. But yeah, that's kind of like how all that kind of works around.

[A]

So everything is wrestling.

[B]

Everything is wrestling. I can make everything wrestling the same way you can make everything. Philadelphia. Woo. Speaking of Philadelphia, look at this, look at this. Victory soldiers of the soil Victory garden in green.

[A]

No more wrestling. Back to beauty gurus.

[B]

That's right. Okay, sure.

[A]

So while this Jeffree star stuff is happening over here, Tati Westbrook. Do you know who Tati Westbrook is?

[B]

Only because of you.

[A]

I know. You're welcome.

[B]

Because there's. Okay, I have a feeling something's coming up here.

[A]

So Tati Westbrook is. She's a beauty guru, but instead of selling just regular makeup and stuff, she decides she's gonna start selling skin and hair vitamins supplements. Because Tati Westbrook might be smarter than the other beauty gurus. Because she's like, I'm gonna go into some unregulated sales. She's like, let me sell skin and hair vitamins.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is very notoriously unregulated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So she makes this vitamin situation her whole personality. Her brand is called Halo Beauty, because again, it's a halo. It means it's angelic.

[B]

Okay, got it.

[A]

Get it, get it, got it. And I remember when it came out, it being pretty pricey because I remember watching the videos and being like, oh, I would try those, because again, I'll try. I'll try any pill. Yeah, well, questions asked.

[B]

Yeah, we've. We. That was just one of your problems earlier in your life.

[A]

I was like, oh, I'll try them. But then they were so expensive that I was like, oh, I don't want to try them, because I'd be pissed if they worked. And then I'd have to buy them forever.

[B]

I love that we. I love that that was your idea. You would be mad that you would get hooked because they would work so

[A]

well if they made my skin look really glowy and my hair grow back really thick and luxurious. And then I had to spend, like, $60 a month on these pills. I'd be so mad. I only better to not know.

[B]

I, on the other hand, I'm like, oh, you stole $60 for me because you're selling me a bunch of hokum, bunk. I'm. I'm mad about the $60 that I'm. That I'm definitely out. Yeah, this is. This is. Oh, my God. This says so much about her personality. Because you're over here. Because this is the thing about. Same thing about gambling.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, some people when they're at the slot machine, right. And they pull the slot machine, some people think, oh, my God, what am I gonna do if I win? That's gonna be great. Not me. I'm thinking, oh, I just wasted $5.

[A]

Yeah, me too.

[B]

That's how. That's where my brain is. But, yeah, it's a difference. Yeah. God.

[A]

Don't like gambling.

[B]

No, you. I know you don't.

[A]

So you can actually. This is the thing. Her bit that business actually tanked because she got sued by her business partner, Halo Beauty. But then I was looking it up because I was like, how much were they? Because as I was typing this, I was like. I remember being like, oh, they're too pricey.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I put it in. Turns out Halo Beauty still exists. She was forced to step down, I believe, allegedly from a business partner that sued her. So the website. You can still buy them. She's not on there anymore.

[B]

Was her name Tati?

[A]

Tati. And so I'm like, who's buying Tati vitamins without Tati? That's crazy. Anyway, these vitamins are her whole thing. You need to know that.

[B]

How much were the vitamins?

[A]

I feel like they were like 60 bucks a bottle.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm pretty sure.

[B]

Which is pretty. That's pretty pricey.

[A]

A lot for.

[B]

That's pretty pricey. Yeah. And you don't can't get insurance co pay on it.

[A]

No, no, you can't use your hsa.

[B]

No, you can't use your hsa.

[A]

So anyway, the vitamins are a whole thing. And at the same time that she's putting out these vitamin pills, okay. There's this new thing bubbling up, popping off in the. In the culture. Gummy vitamins.

[B]

Gummies, you say?

[A]

Gummy vitamins.

[B]

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[A]

So all these companies realize that nobody wants to swallow pills anymore. They all want a little sweet treat.

[B]

Everybody wants a little chewable.

[A]

Little chewable sweet treat.

[B]

Everyone wants a little chewable. Also, can I tell you something real fast? Just because like I take medication, it's pill form. Yeah. Don't tip your head up. Tilt your head down.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Goes in easy. It's weird. It's weird, but the first time I put it in like that, right down easy. Didn't even need water for it.

[A]

That's incredible. So the whole thing is that the gummy. The gummy vitamin people didn't realize they were on the precipice of pivoting to weed gummies. They were just like, oh, no, we're gonna do vitamin gummies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was a huge hit. People love them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this is. Okay, back to James Charles. This is where all the. The bad things start to happen within the beauty guru world of it. All. Right.

[B]

Is this Dramageddon?

[A]

This is the beginning of Dramageddon. Okay. But this is the question for you. Where do all bad things happen? For the yearly sacrifice of our social media influencer every spring, like, the fucking wicker Man.

[B]

Coachella.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I knew it. I knew it. I've been calling this. I've been screaming it forever. Every year, an influence, at least one influencer gets canceled at Coachella.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's so crazy, and it's the curse

[A]

that James Charles started.

[B]

Oh, my God, I did. The fact it all ties back to him is so wild.

[A]

Okay, okay. So, James.

[B]

I'm in. I'm sad. I'm ready. Okay.

[A]

James is at Coachella. At Coachella, and everything is cool. He's taking his pictures. He's wearing a slutty little outfit. He loves a slutty little outfit. Good for him. But here's the thing. He doesn't have security. Right. And so this is his version. He doesn't have security. And he's getting bombarded by fans.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's getting overwhelmed by people.

[B]

He has 20 at this point. 20 million YouTube subscribers. Like, he's massive, and like, Coachella is his target demo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I have Mrs. P. And I talk about this all the time. I'm in this weird space right now when it comes to how well known I am, where sometimes I can go out, nobody recognizes me, and then other times, I accidentally walk into my demo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like a Hayley Williams concert. I went to a Haley Williams concert, and every two feet I walk, someone was like. And I was like, hi.

[A]

Also, I. You should not refer to it as a Hayley Williams concert. It was like you went to church.

[B]

It's what? You went to church. Give me your hand. Yeah. When I saw Haley Williams in Philadelphia at. Now it's called Franklin something, but it used to be the Electric Factory. It's the worst venue in Philadelphia, just so you know. It's for sure the worst venue, best concert I've ever seen, Even though I could barely see it, because the way the place is set up, they actually so many goddamn blind spots that I'd say about third of the audience couldn't actually see the fucking stage. The best concert I've ever heard, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Incredible. She is a Force. And they could never make me hate you.

[A]

Never. Why would you? Why would you?

[B]

No.

[A]

So.

[B]

So James Charles is alone, no security, Getting bombarded by fans.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Probably getting overwhelmed.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So he reaches out, I'm assuming text messages. Another influencer. Btubi. Btubi. Influencer named Nikita Dragon.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

She's super problematic, but whatever. She's part of the story. She is like, she. He tells her, hey, I need security. I don't know what to do. There's so many people bombarding me. Baba. And she's like, bet. I'm currently working with Sugar Bear Hair. Sugar Bear Hair is the gummy vitamin company. They're very popular at the time. This is the gummy vitamins that Kylie Jenner is selling on her Instagram. Right. These are the premier gummy vitamin.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And they. In her mind and Tati's mind, this is her biggest competitor.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So she's like, it's Tati Westbrook versus Sugar Bear Hair. Which to me, I'm like, I don't think you're actually in competition.

[B]

No, this is a completely different.

[A]

Different demographic than Kylie Jenner.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But whatever.

[B]

This is a steakhouse fighting with McDonald's. Yeah, that's. That's kind of how that feels.

[A]

Exactly. All so Nikita makes a call and gets Sugar Bear Hair in contact with James Charles. And they're like, listen, if you cut an ad for us at Coachella, we'll pay for security detail.

[B]

But he could probably just afford security.

[A]

He could probably just afford security. This is his story.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, got it.

[A]

Okay, so this is his reasoning.

[B]

No, I had to do a sponsored ad. That's why he was. I was under. My leg was at risk. I had.

[A]

And the only way I could stop it was to do this sponsored ad for gummy bear hair vitamins.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But actually, here's the thing. It was not for hair vitamins. It was for melatonin gummies.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

So actually, Tati doesn't even have that in her market brand. She doesn't have melatonin pills.

[B]

Yeah. Which you can get. You can get melatonin gummies anywhere, by the way.

[A]

Yeah, you can get melatonin anywhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You should know by the scariest Melatonin.

[B]

I do. Listen. Grocery outlet, baby. You never know how well it's going to make you sleep. Or if you wake up. Melatonin from grocery outlet. It is probably illegal. Grocery outlet. So actually, they actually have a theme song there. It's like, grocery outlet, bargain market. I'm like, is it.

[A]

Is it.

[B]

Is It.

[A]

I get my weird pills there also.

[B]

You get to get to. You have to get a meat that you have 12 hours to eat.

[A]

You got. Yeah, you got 12 hours. You think you bought strawberries?

[B]

I bought.

[A]

Better eat them in the store.

[B]

We bought canned peaches there that went bad. Think about that. Think about that. Grocery outlet, bargain market.

[A]

So Tati freaks out when she sees this ad for melatonin. Melatonin gummies. She's like, this is my arch nemesis, my biggest competitor.

[B]

How dare you mention that brand exists that the Kardashians are pushing, pushing on television.

[A]

So she freaks out. She's all over Twitter, crying about betrayal and what it's like when your best friend betrays you.

[B]

Her best friend who's a child, he's like 19, right?

[A]

Yes. And she's like 37.

[B]

Girl.

[A]

She's grown. I don't think she's actually 37. I don't know how she is. Imagine 30s.

[B]

Imagine if I. Okay, you guys, I want you to think about this right now. Imagine if I was beefing with a 19 year old.

[A]

It would never.

[B]

That's what this is. What this is. What we mean though is like there's times where you go, like I've seen 19 year olds who are up on the Internet and I go, okay, canon event. That's your thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're not, you're not fighting in the space. It's a child. Like at 19, I'm like, your brain isn't developed.

[A]

But also being like, I've been betrayed by my best friend. Okay. It's weirdo behavior.

[B]

It's weird also for that be that old and to have a 19 year old as your best friend, I'm just, I mean, I'm just throwing that out there.

[A]

Okay. So. But anyway, this whole time Jeffree Star and Shane Dawson may have been in her ear talking some weird about James, suggesting that he's always flirting with straight guys and like that he's like a, like a alleged groomer. Right. Okay, so like Jeffree Star has Tati's ear and he's whispering about the. This stuff and then he's like, worm tongue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's like worm tongue whispering.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Into that 37 year old hag's ear. And no, you can't trust the twink. So this is so stupid.

[A]

So, so Tati makes the now iconic video. She covered.

[B]

We've covered so many topics on this podcast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So many topics of so many things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is the dumbest. I just want you to know that I know. All right, keep going.

[A]

Okay. Sometimes we have to do things for the fun.

[B]

I know. I completely. I agree with you. I'm just thinking back to four years worth of episodes. It's like episode 177, I think. Not even counting the story reports, which we actually just put one out on. There's actually a story report. It's on audio only. You can't find it on YouTube.

[A]

No, it's audio only, guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so Tati gets so mad.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That she gets into her filming studio, she turns on the lights in the microphone. Okay.

[B]

Which is a lot.

[A]

It's a lot. And she records a now iconic YouTube video, which she titled by Sister because

[B]

he says, hi, Sister.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Oh, I should have made Mr. Third make that compilation. Honestly, do it right now. We'll pay overtime.

[A]

The best is like there I. During this portion of what's now called dramageddon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're so good at titling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, as now YouTube, people. Titling is so important for some fucking.

[B]

No, it's SEO. It's a whole thing.

[A]

But, like, by Sister goes so fucking hard.

[B]

By Sister is. Is sucking. Especially if, you know, because all of these people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

James Charles, Jeffree star, Tati, all of them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Their fans are the true parasocials.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

They true. That's the reason why James Charles. I believe that James Charles had an issue at Coachella.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I do. 100% believe that.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Because the people who see James Charles. Oh, my God. And each one of them are going to have the same reaction over and over again and run up and feel like they know them. Especially when, you know, when you have somebody who's been growing up on camera.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because James Charles is used, as you showed 17 years old when they first broke. And so they're like 19, 20. I don't think he's even 21 at this point.

[A]

Probably not.

[B]

So it's like you see this person growing. And the other thing that happens, especially for this style of content creator, since I'm one of them, people who watch them take off and watch their launch, feel that they were a part of it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's a lot. Like with Dochi.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When Dochi won the Grammy and all and. And. And all these other different accolades and things, there's so many were like, we picked the right one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, okay, that's.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. But they also worked really, really hard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they spent years getting that picture

[A]

of the iceberg underwater where you only saw the top. The decade of work. She put in below.

[B]

Yeah. 100.

[A]

So she makes this by Sister video.

[B]

Yeah. Tati.

[A]

And she. In this video, she details the grave disloyalty for shilling melatonin gummies.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Also she talks about how James Charles talks about sex too much. And he's. He was flirting with the waiter at her birthday dinner.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And like it's about like he also is always flirting with straight guys. And like, so she's. But she's talking about it in this very. Like, like, like I. I can. It's only. It's like a clutch pearls. White, Straight. White girl. Like he's flirting with our straight men. Like it's very weird.

[B]

Yeah. Like he's like he's gonna turn him.

[A]

Yeah. Like. Well, no, like as though it's an insult to straight men. Like, I don't know. The way that she phrased this whole thing was. Made me very uncomfortable when I watched it.

[B]

It's gay panic.

[A]

Gay panic. That's what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She presented it as like sad, victimized white woman gay panic. Right. That was like kind of the whole thing about it. And so everybody is like screaming at James Charles now. And I'm like, okay, but you're 30 something years old and you have a 19 year old child at your birthday dinner.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're monitoring how he's behaving with. Flirting with boys.

[B]

I don't know. But it also feels like one of those things where there's these situations happen like this where at. At the time. Yeah. Everything's fine. And then upon reflection.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And gossip. Now you have to do a turn on it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's kind of like the way now, you know, now Elon didn't want to go to Epstein's Island.

[A]

So I don't know if the video dropped before or during or if it was just the Twitter. Like because she was on Twitter. Ticket, ticket, ticket. Twitter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Screaming, yelling, crying, throwing up. But then she cut the video. And I don't remember how the timeline works out, but I did want to just say that this happened is after Coachella, James got on a flight and like flew to another country. I think he was like going to like Europe or Europe or Hawaii or something. Like he was on a long flight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so he gets on his plane and then by the time he lands, he has been canceled.

[B]

And he is such a fucking. Can I tell you as somebody makes content.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who is going to be traveling. Crashing out tour.com. i have to now debate with myself on. Because you get on those flights and you're Like. Like American Airlines gives you like, 30, like, 20 minutes of free Internet. Like, here's a little taste of free Internet. And you have to debate, like, when am I gonna use it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then, like, you touch it and it's like, all right, you wanna pay $75 so you can stay online? And I'm like, I'm just. I'm strapped in a chair. But it's only three hours. And it's like. It's only three hours to California or whatever.

[A]

I think my thought is, like, number one, save the money.

[B]

Yeah. I know.

[A]

Is like, if you're.

[B]

If you're in a plane, what could he have done?

[A]

You're in a tube flying through the sky there. You can't change anything that's happening on the ground.

[B]

No.

[A]

So buckle in and read your book.

[B]

No. You could do what? What? Never mind.

[A]

So he. No, no. So what he does is he gets to his hotel room and he cuts an apology video. That's really bad because he's like. He's like jet lagged. It's bad.

[B]

He's cut. He cuts it to. Also. That's the other thing too, is he didn't talk to a PR professional.

[A]

No. He's been on a flight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Checks into his hotel and is like, oh, Jesus Christ. Panic, panic, panic. I need to apologize.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Also on the Internet.

[B]

What does he apologize for, though? Does he apologize to Tati for the. For pushing other gummies?

[A]

It's the gummies.

[B]

Or does he apologize for the alleged straight guy stuff?

[A]

Well, here's the other thing. People are talking about the straight guy stuff. And you know who came out against James Charles in this? Zara Larson.

[B]

Zara Larson.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Remember Zara Larson?

[B]

Well, now she's having her moment.

[A]

I know, but I didn't. I still don't know who she. She is.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

When I was looking this, I was like, oh, the name Zara Larson is familiar because you always bring her up as, like a pop culture thing. And I'm like, I still don't know who she is.

[B]

I just. She is one of those. One just like Cat's Eye where I'm just gonna listen.

[A]

I'm face blind.

[B]

I understand, but I'm just gonna say this. There's something else happening there.

[A]

So I just.

[B]

I just. This is the way the clip channels work, the way some of these fan accounts work. There's something else happening there because I. I've heard the songs. I'm like. Like, I guess. Sure. I'm not really into that.

[A]

Zara is on Twitter ticket. Ticket to Twitter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's like, james Charles slid into my boyfriend's dm. And she's like, my boyfriend straight. And James Charles slid into his DMs. Baba.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She did have to later retract this statement because James Charles only sent her boyfriend one message. And then I guess he like commented something on a post. But like, she was like, he slipped into my DMs. And Bubba, she like kind of blew it out of proportion, I think, just to get in the conversation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now this whole time, Yak Meet Star is tweeting all kinds of shit calling James Charles a dangerous society. And Shane Dawson's in the mix now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because at the time Shane and Jeffrey were doing this collaboration, but it was a documentary in quotes, collaboration video. And this is happening during the drama. So people are tuning in to see if they're going to talk about the drama on the YouTube videos.

[B]

And the YouTube videos are actually ads.

[A]

Yeah, they're basically. They're basically makeup that they're going to sell.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And each video is getting like 30 million views in real time.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So they're getting money.

[B]

Yeah. Which is the. Just to put it completely perspective. That's like bigger than playoff games.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're getting like mass. Like TV shows aren't getting 30 million anymore. Yeah.

[A]

So he makes an apology video, Right. Titled.

[B]

Who's he?

[A]

James Charles.

[B]

James Charles.

[A]

James Charles makes an apology video titled Ready no More Lies. It's a good title.

[B]

That's a good title.

[A]

Title.

[B]

That is a good title.

[A]

But he apologizes for not giving a tati the heads up about the gummies. But he has like a bunch of screenshots or is, you know, we call them receipts that he wasn't being predatory to straight boys. Okay. He's like, I may have not told you about the gummies, but I am not predatory towards straight boys via these screenshots I have here.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right. Okay. Now that was in.

[B]

Can I just real fast.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

I don't think you can. Like. Okay. There is. I. There. There's so much gay panic tied into that little aspect of this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With the predatory to straight boys or oh my go, I went after my boyfriend type of bullshit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is like just straight up, like homophobia. We live in a world where you actually, there's like, there's gay people who are coded straight and straight people who are coded gay. Now, like the way everything is is played around. There's always been. With gay men especially, you have to put yourself out there to See if the person you're talking to is actually on the down low.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, of, of where these things go when people come out and there's a, there's a, that's, there's some with that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That Jeffree star in particular, if involved with this, would know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's the reason why I say that is because there's, there's some Jeffrey

[A]

star who famously has said that he used to hook up on the down low with like basketball players and football players.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He would like they would be in his DMS and he'd meet up with them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like he understands.

[B]

But also if you hit on a straight man, the straight man can just say, no, no.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just say, I'm not interested, I'm straight. I'm not into. This is that, this is the part

[A]

that really bugs me is the, the man word. Because a lot of this, he's. It seems he may be flirting with young men. 16, 17 year olds.

[B]

Okay, well, 16, 17 year olds are not young men.

[A]

There are boys.

[B]

Those are boys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so that's the difference.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is a different thing if you're going after minors. Completely different.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. And this is your.

[A]

I didn't even get there yet.

[B]

Oh, okay. Got it.

[A]

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[B]

May of 2019. Got it.

[A]

His apology. People eventually forgive him. Apparently his, his followers eventually forgive him

[B]

or they just don't. They just move on. I think, I think part of it is it's not so much like people forgive, it's that they forget or they go, oh, he's still posting.

[A]

Yeah. Huh.

[B]

Honestly, posting through it at this point I've come to a realization with Cancelization that if you can make it to the end of the week, you're fine. Yeah, it's really like, if you can make it past like one weekend, you're not canceled.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'M dead serious. Because for most people, they go, oh, Well, I mean, 100,000 other people are watching it.

[A]

Yeah. And that's how this works with Netflix books.

[B]

You and then Netflix. Or. Or you go on podcast, because you then immediately, for a lot of smaller podcasts, you become an easier guest. Looking at Louis ck. Louis ck. Like, when Louis CK got canceled, you know what he immediately did after, like, I want to say about six months, he hopped on stuff like the Matt and Shane podcast. He hopped on, like, other podcasts. These smaller comedy podcasts could then get a big guest because he was available. Same thing like John Travolta did Pulp Fiction because John Travolta wasn't getting big movies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he went and did this, like, slummed it on an indie. So an indie could get a name that people recognize. And then it grows.

[A]

And then it was that good meme. The. I use that meme a lot.

[B]

What are you talking about? I'm a crazy Scientologist. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I'm in the closet and I use my weird cult religion to bury it.

[A]

About a year later, June of 2020,

[B]

well, we're all busy.

[A]

We're all. We're all deep inside. We're done.

[B]

June 2020.

[A]

This is the height we are inside.

[B]

And people are posting passionately about woke politics.

[A]

And Tati Westbrook releases a video titled why I really did it. Like, she's O.J. simpson out here. She basically blames Jeffree Star and Shane Dawson for getting in her ear for the. The James Charles situation. She says that they met up and apologized with each other.

[B]

That she and James met. That.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Her and James made up. They're friends again.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And that everything that, like, she said or thought had been fed to her by evil Jeffree Star and Shane Dawson.

[B]

This is just so you guys know, for wrestling fans, this is when. This is when Vince McMahon pulled the hood back and yelled, it was me, Austin. It was me all along. This is a. This is a level reveal.

[A]

Yeah. And okay, so after she releases why I really did it again, everybody's so online that this is like dramageddon re exploding a year later.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there is a huge backlash towards Jeff Star and Shane Dawson. And this is when Shane Dawson's like, weirdo YouTube past gets brought to the surface. Because here's the thing. I. I didn't know any of that weird stuff about Shane Dawson.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I didn't watch Shane Dawson when I was young.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When I was what, in my 30s, I got fed in the algorithm. Shane Dawson doing, like, a haunted video.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, oh, this guy seems silly. That was like, the first time I ever heard of him was he was doing like a haunted video and conspiracy stuff. Conspiracy stuff. And I was like, like, huh, that's interesting.

[B]

So you didn't see him doing blackface?

[A]

No. Yeah, he just popped up one day, and because I'm watching haunted videos, and so he's in the haunted algorithm now. And then I'm like, oh, okay. So when this stuff started coming up, and I think this happened for a lot of people, they had Shane Dawson as this documentarian who was, like, doing documentaries with Tana Mojo and like, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so when all this stuff from his youth came up, people were like, like, wait, what?

[B]

Because he used to do, like 6 to 12 minute sketches and he would do characters and he would put on literal blackface.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there was a bunch of early YouTubers that fell in this world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it was under the radar. It was pre algorithm. It really was pre algorithm. But also, this is the same thing. We've mentioned this kind of with Charlie Kirk, but I've also noticed this now with Marjorie Taylor Greene. I'm starting to notice this with Tucker Carlson and others. Some of these people, we. I mean, individual viewers might have a better idea of a larger breadth of them, but because of the way the Internet works, it's that iceberg meme again.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We all are only seeing. I don't think of it so much as the iceberg. I think of it more of the facet of a crystal, like a diamond. We're all looking through one part of it and then seeing it on the other side. So in the instance of Charlie Kirk. Kirk. When Charlie Kirk was killed, a lot of people had violently different reactions to them. Yeah. Because a lot of people were sold different versions of Charlie Kirk. We only ever saw racist asshole, homophobic, transphobic Nazi Charlie Kirk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that made us mad. So we engaged with that. So the algorithm continued to show us that. And then people saw that that was trending in their algorithm, so then they kept making content about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Other people only ever saw Church Charlie Kirk because their algorithm knew they like church content, so they wanted to be sold sermons. Yeah. Other people only saw Lifestyle Charlie Kirk, where he and Erica Kirk would do lifestyle shit and sell merch.

[A]

I didn't even know. I guess. Okay.

[B]

All right. And then there's other people. I mean, one of Charlie Kirk's biggest videos is arguing with a Kid. A college age kid. Yeah. About pancakes versus waffles. That's one of his biggest videos. It's not the race, the racist shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not arguing with trans people. All of that shit. Because again, just like we talked about with Candace Owens and now Marjorie Taylor Greene, there is a whole new generation of people who are being introduced to Marjorie Taylor Greene as a woke anti genocide warrior who is pushing back against Donald Trump and not somebody who was Donald Trump's strongest soldier for the last six years. Years. Who still is a racist transphobic bigot who would do anything to make sure that there are mass deportation camps all across America. Marjorie Taylor Greene. I just covered this on the most recent episode of Crashing Out. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a fucking Nazi and she wants to kill millions of people and institute a white Christian nationalist country. I'm just throwing that out there on this comedy history podcast about my fucking opinion. But if she wanted to actually make change and actually sacrifice a political career, she would have stayed to the end of her fucking term instead of cashing out. All right, I'm sorry. There we go. We can get back to YouTube makeup now. But this is. This is similar though in that listen. Which is why so many people were shocked about some of these old YouTubers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because a lot of them show up and then you don't go back to the first video.

[A]

And so Shane Dawson does get it. In fact get canceled.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Jeffree Star also is correctly raked over the hot flames for all kinds of different controversies. He really like. And this is my opinion, it. He didn't really come back until he got on TikTok and then now he's like a TikTok shop kind of guy.

[B]

Jeffree Star.

[A]

Jeffree Star. Like, I don't think Jeffree Star makes you long form YouTube videos anymore. I think he just gets on TikTok live.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And gets cowboy hats and sells makeup.

[B]

But this is exactly.

[A]

And he makes a lot of money.

[B]

But this is the other thing too. You. You only get canceled on one app at a time now. There's now so many app. They used to blend together a bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's now so many apps. Apps that you can be a completely different person on each one. Right, right, right. John Marco. There's just like a thing. Well, he called somebody the C word on Twitter and was getting canceled and nobody on. Just on Twitter for like a weekend and nobody cared on any other app. And I was like, yeah, this is how it works now. You can get in trouble over here, not over there. You can Fucking this person gives a shit over here. That's. That's how it goes. Unless somebody grabs it and drags it across to another area.

[A]

So anyway, James Charles.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Back 2020, he and Tati make up. And in 2020, James Charles has 25 million YouTube subscribers.

[B]

That's a lot of you.

[A]

Because people love mess.

[B]

People do love mess.

[A]

Also, he has no accountability for his bad behavior.

[B]

But also beyond loving mess, having your name out there puts you in SEO. And once you people interact with that, even if they hate it, it then still. Still puts you out more. And then you get a higher click through rate because you're being shown to more people.

[A]

Yeah. Also he decides to pivot to the coolest new app in Town in 2020. Tick tock.

[B]

There it is.

[A]

Tick tock, baby.

[B]

There it is. Back when the Chinese knew how to run a proper tick tock.

[A]

Yeah, it was so much better.

[B]

It was so much better.

[A]

Okay, so around this time, the 2020 tick tock times, young men start to pop up stating that James Charles is being inappropriate to them.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Sending them sexually aggressive DMS nudes. And, and like there's this one young man who was like, he was talking to me about this and then I was like, I'm only 16. And he responded, time.

[B]

Well, I know. I'm with you. I just want to go ahead because we do this all the time when we talk about with the Epstein thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People like to say young women. We're going to say young boys.

[A]

Boys.

[B]

Because they are minors.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yep. They're under 18.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Yeah. And I understand in some states there's difference with statute, statutes and everything else.

[A]

I don't know those laws because we don't.

[B]

We don't know those laws. But if they're under like young men. Same with young women. Is a weasel term. So let's, let's go ahead and fix that. If we're going to do this for getting rid of the term young women, then let's do it for. For men as well.

[A]

Got it. So these boys get online and they're saying that like he's. He's using Snapchat, I believe.

[B]

Oh, like Eric Swalwell.

[A]

I don't know who that is.

[B]

He's a congressman who was sending dick pics through and he's no longer. He was. Right.

[A]

I don't understand Snap. Snapchat culture. I am too ancient of a crone.

[B]

I know. Because we're 42 years old.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

There was actually a thing that we Mrs. P and I actively chose to never touch Snapchat.

[A]

We said, wait, what?

[B]

We said no. And we've actually been offered money to go on Snapchat. We're like, no.

[A]

That's the one that Chris Delia was.

[B]

Yes, that one. Yes, yes. Same issues with the ages, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Allegedly, in our opinion, on this comedy podcast. Hey, wait, hold on. I forgot I have a soundboard.

[A]

Hey, I thought I hid that.

[B]

No, it was right over there the whole time.

[A]

At least you haven't found the board yet. So he. All these people are coming out. The. All these boys are coming out saying that he's behaving inappropriately, making sexual advances through dms.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Whether sometimes the. The boys are reaching out to him, sometimes he's reaching out to them and being like, you look so cute in your picture or whatever. I don't. It's so messy and convoluted. Because they're also like making response videos through Snapchat and tick tock to each other. And it.

[B]

This is. This is around what. What year is this?

[A]

Like 2020. Ish.

[B]

2020, 2021.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah. And there was a thing that was happening around this time across social media because there was a wrestler who got in trouble for the very similar thing. The Velveteen Dream.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

He was. He got in trouble for messaging minors. There was. And there was a few others, though, that this was kind of happening. Basically every emo band had at least one member where this came out. And again, this was not just young boys, but also young women. But it also goes into. There's a thing that was very open, open secret for a very long time until the MeToo movement, which was if you got famous, then you were allowed to prey on teenagers.

[A]

Yeah. Rod stewarding.

[B]

Rod stewarding. If you look at basically every band from the 60s and 70s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ted Nugent.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my God. He adopted her.

[B]

Yes. There was a few of them did. Yeah.

[A]

Big into adopting girls.

[B]

Yes. To take across. Because that way they could take across state lines. Elvis, a lot of these different stars. One of the things was they were. They got access to teen fans. Yeah. And then they were. They would go and prey on them. Yeah. And it was between the MeToo movement pointing out this is evil.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And then lockdown of a lot of people, really. Again, sitting there and looking back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And finally, during lockdown, many people, for the first time in their lives had at least a two week vacation. Even if you were. What was the word they use for us? Essential workers. Even if you were an essential worker, you Got a little bit more time to just kind of sit there and think and digest. And that's why we started having conversations around race, around sexuality, around gender, around the MeToo movement, around all of these different settings that were a baseline in our society and why we had such a reaction to it in 2020.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what we're living through right now is the backlash to that reaction of us actually opening our minds and realizing that things were wrong.

[A]

Yeah. The backlash to.

[B]

The backlash to the thing that's just begun.

[A]

Bo Burnham, I didn't know who he was until the Netflix special Inside.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was apparently a YouTube star, too.

[B]

Yeah. And I was. I've always been a big fan of.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

And Bo Burnham is even it. Some of his early videos, he go. Looks back down as problematic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But again, they're written at the time from a perspective and from an age as a young. As a young man.

[A]

Okay. So aggressive dms.

[B]

He.

[A]

All this is coming out. All this is coming out about James Charles, John Charles on the Internet. And he does what any person on social media would do is he makes a notes app apology and post it on Twitter.

[B]

Okay. That was the place to do that, was to make a notes app apology. Now you don't need to do a notes Apple app.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know why? I know Canva, but also you have Canva, but also now Twitter. If you have pay for a blue check mark, you can write longer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So before a notes app apology was because you had too much to say that couldn't fit in 280.

[A]

You shouldn't be using Twitter, in my opinion, because it's owned by a Nazi.

[B]

Yeah. Crazy.

[A]

So there's that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, in his notes app apology, one of the last lines in his apology, in air quotes. I have air quotes going. He says, I'll make sure to ask for IDs from now on.

[B]

You gotta have to do what. Okay, that's all right. That's like admitting to it.

[A]

That. Okay, you know what? That doesn't say I'm gonna stay out of my DMs.

[B]

That's 100% what you're saying.

[A]

Boys are gonna message me. If most of my audience is girls and boys that are younger than me, that are younger than the legal age of consent, and they're messaging me, I shouldn't be in my DMs, responding.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe he doesn't say that, though. He says, I'm gonna be fishing in my DMs, but I'll make sure to ask for ID from this point forward. That's it. That's how I took it.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I took it. Right?

[B]

What? Number one, it's crazy. Number two, at that point, you're at. You're at such a size. Because, like, listen, we have a team that. For our emails.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because we get so many scam emails that get sent.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[B]

And that's just at the size. We're at that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, you know, we have a smaller YouTube channel, but we have. I have a larger social media presence. And just to go ahead and scan through those. It goes through other people, so it's filtered.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To keep a disconnect. It's the same thing, too. When I look at. When I do happen to go look like that once a week or every couple weeks, where I go, let me go make sure there isn't something in here I'm missing, because I. Can I tell you something that's crazy. Two years ago, the Philadelphia City Council DM'd me, and it got stuck in a filter somewhere. And I only discovered it one day because I was mad. I went to Philadelphia City Council's fucking Instagram page, saw that they followed me and went, what? And I was like, what do you mean, follow back? Philadelphia City Council. And then I would clicked on messages and there was a message sitting there, and I was like, what the fuck? Anyway, anyway, in these moments of, like, when I do come across something where I look, I also then take it to you and I go, this one looks a little odd.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Again, there's a thing that happens when you are a content creator. You have to have real meat space people that you know and touch that, you know, especially from before, you know, all this stuff popped off.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That you can kind of check in with and make sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And make sure that you have a alibi for a corroborating evidence.

[A]

I'm sorry, what are we talking about?

[B]

Nothing. Don't worry about it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So they were dead when I got there.

[A]

Hey, whoa.

[B]

Hey, whoa. Hey. Okay, sorry. I've been interjecting a lot. I'm gonna let you. Let me just.

[A]

Let you.

[B]

I'm gonna let you just throw information at me for a bit.

[A]

Oh. You okay? Great.

[B]

I'm gonna be quiet.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Let's see. Somebody. Okay, Mr. Third. Put a timer right here and see how long he stays quiet. How many seconds. Now there's all these grooming allegations start coming to light. And he releases a video on YouTube titled Holding Myself Accountable. Now he releases this video about grooming allegations titled holding myself accountable on April 1st. Fast forward to 2024.

[B]

That's our anniversary, by the way.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's the anniversary when we got engaged. I couldn't hold it in anymore. We got engaged on April 1, and it was the greatest practical joke I ever played on anybody. Because nobody believed you for a day.

[A]

I know. That was stink.

[B]

Okay, I'm gonna be quiet again.

[A]

Okay, Set the timer. Okay. Fast forward to 2024, and more boys were coming out with allegations of him sliding into their dms. And here's the thing. So these allegations are still. It's 2024. They're still popping up. There are still boys under the age of 18 saying that he is being inappropriate. Whether that's in person or through apps, it's constantly being discussed online and there's been apologies, but there's never been a change of behavior. Right? So here's the thing. I wanted to tell you all of this to bring it back to the Spirit Airlines thing, right? Because everything I've described to you since this man was 17 is. He's never had a real job, okay? He never. He went from high school to a CoverGirl contract, from a CoverGirl contract to Ellen to 15 million people on YouTube. He was never a barista. He never waited a table or did roll ups. He never worked a real. Like a real. What's it called? Job. Not. He never worked at, like a clothing store.

[B]

He never had a shift job.

[A]

He never had a shift.

[B]

Never had a. He never had a true boss. Yeah, he never had to. He never had to worry about rent.

[A]

So he's never had a real fucking job. Right? A real job out here in these streets where you have to work with people in customer service and get dirty and be exhausted and have. Have people in a chain of command bear down on you all kinds of.

[B]

And have repercussions for things that you didn't even have any responsibility for.

[A]

Also, the other part of this Venn diagram is he has had a life of incredible success while facing no consequences for his bad behavior. If anything, all of these basically catastrophic events, he has ended up more popular because, like, any time somebody calls him out, the comment section will be like, oh, you're all doing too much. It's not that deep. Blah, blah, blah. He currently has 40 million followers on TikTok.

[B]

On TikTok. He has 40 million.

[A]

40 million on TikTok.

[B]

Okay, that's crazy. So who the fuck is following him?

[A]

Apparently everyone.

[B]

That's. I mean, that's what's wild is like. I mean, there's Also I think the other thing too, to keep in mind that we have to keep in mind with the Internet, which I think a lot of people are brain broken about, is that the Internet is now more international than it's ever been.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so a lot of them are outside of the United States. Some. There's also a thing, especially on TikTok where once your account gets to a certain size, it attracts bot accounts and others out there who aren't necessarily even interacting, but they're just kind of there and they're existing in there to pop in, just to do scams.

[A]

Yeah, I saw that a lot. The Instagram and the threads, they just deleted a lot of bots.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was very funny because people were like on threads being like, I don't know why I just lost 50,000 followers above, like all these people were like posting about how they lost these hours and I was like, I didn't lose any followers.

[B]

I didn't.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

I didn't lose any either.

[A]

Follows me.

[B]

Yeah, well, I mean I've had bots, I've had bot spikes here and there, but mine are always around election time.

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

Because they come in because they're trying to influence what I'm saying in the comments section.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm always just like, I don't read you. The only comments I read are down here on this fucking YouTube channel and on our Patreon and on our secret YouTube.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Because we do a whole show where we react to your comments called the After Party which you only get@Pearl Mania500.net Patreon exclusive content. Yeah, it's a Pearl Maniac Patreon parasocial podcast.

[A]

We aim a bunch of shrimp tacos yesterday about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, this all goes back to him on front of his phone wearing an expensive ass robe in his beautiful million dollar mansion screaming into his phone because why were you in your DMs at all, James Charles, at this point, James, stay out of them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If anybody needs to get in contact with you, I know you have a management team that gets your emails. You should get your emails and contacts from there. There is no reason for you to ever open the DMS of any app.

[B]

Meta Business Suite use Meta Business is

[A]

probably being used by a social media manager on his team. There's no way that he is doing that himself. Yeah, he absolutely has to have a team. And so why the fuck were you in your DMs anyway? And then he started this yelling at this woman about her GoFundMe. I have a note here. It was for $1,100.

[B]

Eleven hundred bucks.

[A]

That's what her goal was.

[B]

Her goal was eleven hundred dollars.

[A]

Yes. And she was like anything she would have accepted, basically a share. That share on Instagram would have changed her life.

[B]

That is. Can I just tell you? Eleven hundred dollars. Eleven hundred. I know what that's for. That is just to float until unemployment might be able to start.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Because this government, which I remember, by the way, by the way, by the way, James Charles, you don't have something in there from 2024. I remember your dumb ass screaming that people shouldn't support Joe Biden because you said Joe Biden overturned Roe v. Wade. Because you don't understand what the fucking Supreme Court is. Because you were doing makeup instead of listening in fucking civics class, you dumb bitch. This is fucking insane. And the reason why that person is going to wait longer for employment is because so many things got doged and cut but. And so many benefits are being held back because currently the President of the United States is demanding a $10 billion personal payout. Yeah, the President, United States is spending half a billion dollars a day to fight an illegal war that nobody fucking wants. James Charles. And instead you want to scream at some lady who probably sent out a fucking blast DM to every fucking celebrity she could think of who was probably thinking, you know what? I bet these celebrities might at least post it to their stories.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that way they can get a little good pr. Yeah, you dumbass. So you could have just, again, you

[A]

could have just ignored it.

[B]

I just ignored it.

[A]

You could have just ignored it.

[B]

The way you ignored all those people saying they were 16.

[A]

So he tells her to stop begging for money to go get a new job. It's. I will have notes here about how much money he's made. He is estimated that back in 2020, his YouTube videos would clear approximately $25,000 per video just in AdSense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he also sold millions and millions of ugly eyeshadow palettes with this company called Morphe. And they actually can't even discuss how much money he made. But he didn't get paid like 2 million that they owed him. And they filed for bankruptcy and there was a whole lawsuit. But he argue over $2 million, like nonchalantly. Yeah, you know what I mean?

[B]

Anyway, real fast, do we know how much to be. Because he deleted the original TikTok video, right?

[A]

He did, but I got it.

[B]

I know, but is it over a minute?

[A]

It might be. It Might be monetizable. Yeah, he might.

[B]

Because on Tick Tock, if it's over a minute. If it's over a minute, it is monetized.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's just how it is.

[A]

He released two apology videos.

[B]

I wonder, were they over a minute?

[A]

They might have been. I think he deleted both of them.

[B]

Delete both of them.

[A]

He's just deleting stuff like it's crazy to delete it because. Because everybody's screen recording.

[B]

It's already been recruited. But also then the other thing, too, with deleting them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that then they also. Especially deleting the apology videos because everyone's already reacting to them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that's what. That's. That's what really started spreading is people. I didn't even see the initial of him screaming, listen.

[A]

I didn't see the initial. I saw Jackie Aina, whom I love.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Make a video. And I was like, why is Jackie Aina talking about James Charles? Charles. One time we saw Jackie Aina. Can I talk about this real quick?

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

We went to the White House for their Christmas dinner.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thing. And it was the last time we were there.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Because they're probably never gonna. That doesn't even exist anymore.

[B]

Yeah. That wing doesn't exist. We were in it. We were in the east wing of the White House and they ripped it down.

[A]

The Christmas party.

[B]

Yeah. It's so funny because Kaylin Allen, who was also there.

[A]

Love you, Kayla.

[B]

We love you. Kaylin made a video of him walking around, like, touching different things and being like, we'll never see this again.

[A]

Again. We both walked around and we're like. We're just touching things. Meaning, like, they're never inviting us back. But we didn't realize that they were going to tear down the Down. Anyway. While we were there, I saw Jackie Aina. I didn't. I was so Star Trek. I didn't say hi.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I was like, oh, my God, that's Jackie Aina. And you were like, what? And I was frozen like a deer in headlights as she sparkly walked by. She's five foot nothing. She's teeny tiny. And I was just like, Jackie.

[B]

Anyway, meanwhile, I was taking selfies with Hunter by.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No one could ever cancel My King.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. Everybody else in the Epstein list. Hunter Biden smoking crack on a laptop.

[A]

And you know what? Only good reviews. That's what's crazy. You don't often hear people come forward and be like, no, I smoked crack with him. And he was really nice.

[B]

Yeah. He Played Fleet Foxes for me for the first time and people were like, what the fuck? Like that came out in. That was in court testimony about Hunter Biden. No one would ever say that about James Charles. No one ever be like, oh, yeah, me and James Charles Charles, we smoke crack and listen to Fleet Foxes. No, you didn't. No, no, no, no. You smoked crack and listened to Pinky up by Cat's Eye.

[A]

Just a little bit of meth.

[B]

So honestly, no clips from this episode this week. We're not even gonna try to make a YouTube short out of anything maybe? No, I just missed it. There could no context collapse would kill me on this one.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

Hit Smoke crack and listen to Cat's Eye Pinky Up. Okay, sorry, I'm giving away too much about my FYP now.

[A]

The whole thing also. And the other thing that like I was thinking about while I was writing this, all this, like history of this YouTuber stuff down, is that like, back in 2016-2019, there was a thing on YouTube, specifically in the beauty community, where like flexing your welfare was like part of the brand. Like Jeffree Star used to like take tours of his mansion to show off his collection of Birkins that cost like $40,000 per purse. And he had like a safe that he had built in his house just to hold off his Gucci. Like, it was like showing off your exorbitant wealth in the beauty community was like part of the brand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so like, we are at such the backlash to that that like, no one wants to see rich people being rich like that anymore. So for James Charles to be as wealthy as he is, to have not put in a lot of labor behind it, falling into success accidentally with no merit in my opinion, or talent, like, it doesn't fly anymore.

[B]

It's also the. Also the other thing too, with the Spirit Airlines of it all.

[A]

Yeah, it doesn't fly like Spirit Airlines.

[B]

Well, but also with Spirit Airlines, there's a racial component to it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because Spirit Airlines was viewed as. Because especially once it went under. Like the most people who I saw really reacting to this were African Americans.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was black people talking about it. And a lot of people who lost their jobs at Spirit, especially from the customer service side, were black.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so there's like assumptions that can be made because is a low cost airlines. It had a specific clientele base and the way the reaction to it was sold in a certain way. Even if you never even touched Spirit Airlines, there was like a stigma to it. So him shitting on somebody who worked at Spirit was because he thought, oh, I'm so above them. How dare you? How dare you come into his James Charles DMs?

[A]

The serfs shouldn't talk to me this way.

[B]

Yeah, 100%. And there's that extra part. Part to it.

[A]

Yeah. So he makes the video. He screams. He makes two apology videos. He deletes them all. I believe he does. Now he gets all this backlash. Jackie Aina makes the video. There's a lot of. Lot of backlash. Discourses, they call it. On the other.

[B]

I saw so many. Jackie Aina was like, the last reaction I saw because I saw literally hundreds of videos of people being like you. You. I even thought about making one, and I was like, I don't know.

[A]

Oh, you're like. You're like. I'm sure that my wife will make me sit down and listen to me talk about.

[B]

I did not think that I was more of like that. I don't want to be involved in the James Charles.

[A]

You're here now. So then, I guess guilt and bullying kicks in. And he donates $500 to this young woman's campaign, her GoFundMe. And this is how people figured out that it was this girl, because there was a 500 donation from James Dickinson. James Dickinson.

[B]

He used his government.

[A]

James Dickinson.

[B]

You could. There's an anonymous button.

[A]

Donated five.

[B]

There's an anonymous button, but there's an anonymous button.

[A]

And that's how people were like, wait, this must be the GoFundMe. Because basically the Internet was like, they went to GoFundMe. Ticket, ticket, ticket, ticket. They pulled up every Spirit Airlines employee that has a GoFundMe, which is a lot.

[B]

That's just a lot.

[A]

And then the Internet does what it does. And somebody sat there and searched, and they found one, which was a young woman, and they said, james Dickinson. Hmm. Hmm. And so then people were making videos about being like, I think this is the one. Because James Dickinson donated $500 to it, which is a lot since everybody else's is like five or ten bucks, because everybody else is donating, only has five or ten bucks to spare.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

Then yesterday afternoon. Today is the 14th. Yesterday afternoon, Gypsy Rose Blanchard got on her TikTok and donated 500 to the girls go fund me. Right? And then I guess, like, that caused enough ruckus, along with all the other heat that's happening, that another donation was made to her GoFundMe from James Charles. And now it says James Charles, not James Dickinson. And it has, like, his YouTube. Pfp. That's what it's called, right?

[B]

The profile pic.

[A]

Yeah. And it's actual picture. James Charles. And that one has a $5,000 donation.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Little late.

[A]

Her GoFundMe is currently up to $26,000.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Yup.

[B]

Good for her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's fucking crazy.

[A]

And all she needed was like one month's rent at a cheap apartment. 1100.

[B]

No, but this will be good. I mean, like, this is. The 1100 is probably to cover. It's probably not even to cover the apartment, honestly. It's probably to cover car note, insurance, gas. Gas, cell phone bill. Because that's the other thing too. You have to realize when you are facing losing everything. Honestly, the last bill you can let go these days is the cell phone.

[A]

Yeah. You need it to apply for jobs.

[B]

You need to callbacks, to get emails, to fake that side of things. Because they'll need that over an address. You can fake an address. Yeah, that's. It's just. That's the difficulty is like. And that's where the settings are. It's just. It's so fucked up. It's just so fucked up. Up.

[A]

And that's why I get so mad when I'm like reading about these GoFundMes because, like, it's such a failure of our government. Right. Because like everybody that has any type of big medical expense has to have a GoFundMe to pay for it.

[B]

If you have cancer, if you get into a car accident, if you have anything in the world that happens to you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's actually, you know what? College humor. Brennan. Brennan Lee Mulligan did a thing about being the CEO of GoFundMe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And about how it broke his brain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As a sketch. Yeah. And that was like fucking like eight years ago.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And now we're sitting at a part here with 17, 000Americans lose their job at Spirit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And their first thought isn't, how is my government going to help me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because the President United States is currently trying to turn the. The reflecting pool into a They're watching monument reflecting pool into an actual pool. He is demanding $10 billion. The Secretary of Transportation is rock climbing with his nine kids on a fucking cruise ship.

[A]

Who knows what's on the cruise that he's being.

[B]

That they're all paying a million dollars to do. Put Toyota logos in. It's a whole thing. But yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And so I was like, I got really frustrated about how our government is such an incredible failure that we all have to rely on GoFundMe.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To help with unemployment, employment protection, medical. Baba. So then I'm online as I am, and I'm. I start researching employment protections. Yeah. And I fell down this rabbit hole, and I found this lady, Frances Perkins.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I wanted to explain her, but I feel like we don't enough time.

[B]

Well, what. What is. What's. What's Frank Francis Perkins do?

[A]

Okay. Frances Perkins is basically the central architect of the New Deal, and she also, like, made so many employment and labor protections that Roosevelt hired her.

[B]

Fdr.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, so that feels like a lot. Let me. How many pages do you have over there?

[A]

It's like. It's like three or four.

[B]

That's like four page. That's like a whole other. That's like beyond an addendum. But I'm sorry. And we've already gone so long. I know, but you spent so much time telling me about how James Charles possibly grooms minors and gets canceled every hour that I don't think we have time to cover this important lady from history. Okay, here's what I'll do.

[A]

Do. Yeah.

[B]

Let's split the baby. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what that means is we'll turn the cameras off. We'll do audio that will put over on the Patreon.

[A]

A Patreon exclusive.

[B]

We'll do a Patreon exclusive and we'll release it on Tuesday. So that way everybody gets to have. They can have the fun James Charles. And if you want to hear about this, because I can't make the episode any longer, Mr. Third has to be able to edit. We need to give him time to be able to get this out on time.

[A]

But she. She has a connection to Philadelphia. She was gonna be on my way back.

[B]

Oh, my. And I'm wearing.

[A]

We had complaints last week that I didn't get it back to Philly.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Well, I was gonna.

[B]

Well, and then you can find out then. So join us at promania500.net you can get the Patreon exclusive that'll drop on Tuesday. Of the audio of Mrs. P. Connecting James Charles to Philadelphia. All while I wear my beautiful.

[A]

Yeah. Go Birds. So the seeds of victory. I did a football jersey.

[B]

Yeah. A green football jersey, which you can get down. Link in the description below. All right, Mrs. P. Any other words before we go? Join us on Tuesday. How about that? That's the best way to close it out.

[A]

Out.

[B]

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