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Candice Egan
I didn't think I was gonna do comedy, and yet I've had several scripts where they're moments of comedy. They're not comedies in the laugh out loud, jokey kind of way, but they have sometimes they have light hearted elements. I think this tennis one is more of a light hearted TED Lasso kind of world, but some even the one with the ladies in the desert has moments of levity that just come out. So I went, oh, that's interesting. I didn't expect that when I started writing, but it seems to bubble out without me.
Renita Hora
Welcome to the True Fiction Project, a podcast series that explores the origins of fiction. Every week we begin with an interview, nonfiction, followed by a creative piece, fiction inspired by something from the interview. The idea is to demonstrate, of course, that fiction is born out of our life experiences.
Candice Egan
Now here's your host, storyteller, author, public.
Renita Hora
Speaker, health and wellness expert Renita Hora.
Welcome back to the True Fiction Project. I am your host, Renita Hora, and today's guest is somebody I've gotten to know more recently, but somebody who I really admire. She is Candice Egan, a professor of Film and Media Arts at Fresno State University here in California and a screenwriter. Candice, thanks for joining us today on the True Fiction Project.
Candice Egan
Thank you, Renita. It's fun to be here with you.
Renita Hora
Candace. It is more than fun to be with you because as I have said to you, perhaps more than once, you are in many ways what I want to be when I grow up. If that. If that day ever comes. So you've done so much as an educator, as a storyteller, and you are continuing to do a variety of things. You're focused on female driven stories, horror stories. Why don't I just turn it over to you? Tell us what you are working on, what your focus is.
Candice Egan
So I'm finding that as happens when you start writing scripts that you learn what it is you're actually interested in. So I would say that I do have a very strong interest in female forward scripts, female driven scripts. I'm realizing we've had 120, 30, however many years since the invention of film. We've had a lot of men who've gotten to have great lead characters and stories that are focused and driven by men. So I try to actually look at, well, how can I have some female characters that take on these stronger points and do interesting fun things? And so that is kind of driving me. But like many creative people, you get this other kind of, you know, like there's a Christmas project I'm working on that's got a good women's character, but it's a romance. Right. And then we're playing around with the horror. I have a writing partner and we're playing around with the horror concept. So I get ideas, they come all over the place, but I several of them. And I feel like there's a commitment on my part to keep trying to come up with some that are giving interesting roles for women that aren't just only the mother, the wife, the daughter, the grandmother, the old crone, the bitch, you know, I'm looking for finding different kinds of characters and doing different things with the women.
Renita Hora
Because you know those women that you describe, the mother, the daughter, that they're not horrific enough. Right. They don't exemplify horror in our daily lives. Right.
Candice Egan
Well, I don't know about in the horror genre, but just in other genres that I guess I aspire to seeing women doing other kinds of things as well. Those were all important, but there's been the stereotyping. Right. And I'm feeling like if I have a perspective that adds a another angle to that. And actually as I'm getting older I. I'm appreciating things like 80 for Brady and the Best Marigold Hotel and some of. Well, or even Book Club two where the, you know, you can be older and still do interesting things and not again be just having this end of life focus.
Renita Hora
Yes.
Candice Egan
It's like can we, can we live and do exciting things? And we know we can because I know plenty of older people who are doing amazing things that I aspire to be like them in 20 years. Right. So that's another angle that I'm looking at. Let's see. Interesting, vibrant, fun. You know, nowadays, this. I'm 60, gonna be 66. And back when I was a kid, someone that old in, you know, back in the 1960s, they were tending to be kind of old and not doing that much. And we've changed our views, and the boomers are refused to go away quietly. So I think, you know, why not? Life doesn't end just because you're retired.
Renita Hora
And, Candace, I have read some of your work, select pieces of your work, and you have these fun characters. They are female, they are zany, they are doing crazy things, riding in the desert and becoming college athletes at 60 plus. So it is so refreshing to not just hear you talk about them, but see, sort of read them, see them come to life. You've done incredibly well with some of your work recently. You've been winning awards. You've been getting into fellowships.
Candice Egan
The script that's sort of the focus of today's discussion, it actually has been doing pretty well. I did get a fellowship to Stowe. So that was kind of an exciting, you know, because you enter all these things and sometimes it's like, thank you. We had lots of entries. Good luck. Keep it up. And so for some reason, that one, it was, like, quite exciting to actually receive one of the fellowships and a great opportunity. I'm participated in Sinus Stories feature, hoping to snag a spot in their tv, which we're at that point where they're feeling. Some spots I've submitted to some others. So actually, in a couple weeks, I go to Atlanta for the Women's Comedy Film Festival. Since the script's been slick for that, they're gonna do a live table read with actors. I got. Mine is of several selected for that. So all of those things are exciting. You're getting a chance to get how people respond to the story. So it's been kind of a fun. Well, fun. It's kind of a cool experience because this one was inspired by my own life. So.
Renita Hora
Yeah. And I'm. I'm dying to delve into that. But before we do, so you've got female driven, you've got comedy, you've got horror, and maybe a blend of horror and comedy. Is that right?
Candice Egan
I don't know. Who knows if comedy will bubble up in that horror project. My writing partner and I are not horror writers, but we got this cool idea, so we're gonna go for it. And. And we're still very early, so we have Some ideas, but we're actually going to New Orleans where we're setting it next month to really get immersed in the, the, the place, the vibe, the history we figure and, and give us some inspiration that more accurately places in the location that we've picked such a unique place. So that's a new. I don't know if that's a. My whole future is in horror. I doubt it. But I. If a cool story idea comes along and then you go with the genre that it fits in. Right. I didn't think I was gonna do comedy and yet I've had several scripts where there are moments of comedy. They're not comedies in the laugh out loud, jokey kind of way, but they have. Sometimes they have light hearted elements. I think the one that this tennis one is more of a light hearted Ted Lasso kind of world. But some. Even the one with the ladies in the desert has moments of levity that just come out. So I went, oh, that's interesting. I didn't expect that when I started writing, but it seems to bubble out without me trying.
Renita Hora
Well, that definitely very funny. I've read both of those and I think you really hit upon an important point and that's what life is. Life is not comedy every second of the day. It's not tragedy every second of the day. It's not as horrific as we might think it is in the moment every second of the day. But we go through these different phases and I think your work really brings that out. I love what you say and of course I'm dying to ask you about your horoscope, but we'll leave that for another episode. But I do love what you're saying about switching and changing genres, trying different things. And I want to really pause for a moment and make note of that because as writers we're told, stay in your lane. Right? Stay in your lane. Do you want to be known as the horror writer? Do you want to be known as the comedy writer? Because if you do, then that's what your portfolio should reflect. But I just keep coming back to thinking what a boring one sided portfolio that would be.
Candice Egan
Yeah. All of my writer friends, of course, you know, we're all on the verge, right. Versus actually being really rolling in a career. But we all have these different ideas and yes, I've heard the same thing. You know, you know, it makes it. You are more marketable if you can be labeled. Right. And when you don't have a reputation, I think that's part of it. When this is early on and they're trying to figure out who you are. So I get that that's maybe a marketing approach that if you're doing this and you have lots of ideas, I think you need to go with your ideas. And then everyone always says you need to write what is actually coming and meaningful to you and that you're passionate about and not chase after trends. Right. Which you could genre chase as well if you think, oh, and you know, a lot of people do horror because that's one that you can have maybe get some success easier. That's a not the best word, but that is not actually why we're even playing with it. We just came up with story, went, oh yeah, that's kind of a horror place. Or, you know, so go with what fits the idea. And I feel like the output, the thing you create is probably going to be better if it's speaking to what's exciting you at the moment. So if you're doing romance and then you're doing horror and then you're doing action adventure, makes you hard to market, but you're probably going to generate some better material.
Renita Hora
I love it. So going with what fits the moment, your moment, today's moment, this moment we're going to talk about. Second set. This is your Ted Lasso of the female world.
Candice Egan
I don't know how do you describe that? Yeah, he was pro sports. So this is community college, college level sports. And. And what I'm finding out ironically is I keep putting sports into some my story. So I may have that as an underlying thing without even realizing it. But yeah, so I've been playing tennis. I played in high school, quit when I was in college, got married, had a career, and then as a professor, bumped into another person who used to play tennis. So we started playing tennis and then I got really back into it. So I'm in my 40s, right, and I'm playing in tournaments and doing all this stuff and learned that some of the ladies I played with had been recruited in the past to play at the community college because they'd never played when they were younger. And I thought, oh, that's kind of cool. Well then I got the opportunity and so it was kind. I don't know if it's a bucket list. It's like a thing you wish you'd done when you were younger that you didn't and you think it's too late. That's why to me, Second chance is like, you know, the second set is a twist on getting a second chance to do something you would never Expect. And so I did get the chance. I got to play in a community college tennis team. And tennis is a weird Sport. If it's NC2A, there's actual and upper age limit. You have to be 28 the max or 26 or something. Oh, for some reason.
Renita Hora
Okay.
Candice Egan
I think it's because of the concern about going pro. But at community college, you can be any age and play any sport. If they want you on the team, then it's possible. So it was like, oh, this is kind of cool. Yeah, let's see if I can make this work.
Renita Hora
I like the idea because second set, second chance. And the one thing you can always do is immortalize that world in fiction. It'll always be there. You started playing tennis again and did you say, did you actually become a college athlete?
Candice Egan
Yeah, the university. I'm at a four year university. Right. So then the community college, you know, a two year program in the same city. I was helping out because a lot of times they like to have the coaches like to bring in mature players to practice with their. Their younger players. Right. So I did that. And then they were short. And so in many ways the setup for this is similar in that they could use me and a friend of mine was going to do it and then she of course backed out. So it was just me. But I ended up. I had to register as a student. I had to take 12 units. If you're gonna. You're allowed to play two seasons at community college because normal progression is you get played two, then you could go on to a four year and play two more for your full eligibility. Right. So to play two seasons, I actually had to be enrolled for three successive semesters. So I started right before the spring season. Had to take classes in summer school in the fall, so I'd had the right unit count. So. And then took classes in the following spring. So could play my two seasons. So technically I still have two years of eligibility if I want.
Renita Hora
There you go. There you go. But what I love about your characters specifically, or your character, your protagonist in Second Set and actually more than your protagonist as well, is that aside from this theme of playing tennis or being this college athlete later in life, you've got the backbiting between the sisters in law, you've got that competitive spirit, you've got this protagonist struggling to sort of keep up with all of her young college peers. So that is very slice of real world. And tell us more about. Yes.
Candice Egan
So it's not exactly, you know, I am not a grandmother, so, you know, I took my fictional narrative license and actually some of the women that have done this have been mothers or grandmothers. So I thought let's give her a bit different backstory than mine. I thought would be too weird. What full time tenured professor is going to a community college as a full time student to play tennis? It's totally, it's true but it felt, it feels a little bit weird that it's not going to cut fly. So I came up a little more backstory and you know, it's influenced by me and people I know and some of the challenges that you face. Plus I've worked in an educational environment for decades. I'm pulling from things I've seen and with ideas along that line too. So I really know the world and I know the tennis world. So I really kind of tried to pull together and then little bits of my own personal experiences. While it was a great experience, I had interesting moments and so I have all these on court things and some off court that if it went to series could be melt and you know, so we're getting a hint of that in the pilot. I think the surprise that oh, you have to be a full time student and you actually have to to pass your classes, you have to do all of those things. That is the reality of that world. So like you say, and then it was a kind of a fun idea that bubbled up with a mentor about well these gals are all knew each other in high school. It's a small community. Right. And then I thought well it's small community. Why not have our antagonists actually have a familial connection to our protagonist. So I, I really diving deeper into the idea that the, the head of the whole athletic division is the ex sister in law. And at first I had a very surface okay, well they'll just be. And then the more I I've actually got deeper in my mind about well, what's going on with the ex sister in law and that there's more to it in her character what she's doing and why she's doing it. On the surface looks like she's just striving and wants to step on everybody and but there's some secrets that she's trying to protect that would evolve later and you'd real days, oh, she's trying to save the entire athletic program. And at some point the, the two ex sister in laws are going to have to help each other because they don't want to see this all fail. So that's kind of too where I think the whole Ted Lasso thing for me, because when you start with the Rebecca, the owner at the very beginning, she's like, oh, my God, she's just trying to make a fool out of him so she can make a fool out of her ex husband. And as they develop up the series, you start to understand more about what's why and what, and she changes. And so I sort of feel like that's a good inspiration for that character.
Renita Hora
Well, as my late father would have said, the moment you sort of stick the word X or in law into any spectrum, I mean, that is just room for dark comedy, all sorts of hijinks. So, Candace, with this particular story, second set, like I said, you've had so much success with the fellowships and the residencies, that kind of thing. Give us an idea of the kind of revision, refinement, refining, rewriting that it went through. Was there a lot?
Candice Egan
It only seems that way because there are revisions. Right. And I got a lot of mentoring and a lot of colleagues who you've read and given feedback. I don't know if I'm fooling myself, but I do feel like getting started in and getting progress on a television script goes a little faster. For me, this one went a little faster simply because it was coming out of so much. I mean, my research is years of research, right. So I think that helped me get a little further faster. But then there was one whole rewrite that someone suggested I need to focus more on the family, that I rewrote the whole thing and then read it again and went, I lost all the good stuff. It threw it out, it went back. But yeah, no, I mean, like this existing lot character, there was someone who would have been the athletic director, but they were kind of a minor character. They were just there to be the bad guy. And that's evolved. And I'm trying to think how many rewrites. I have my own way of calculating how I rewrite when I make a massively big change. I call that another number. But there's lots of little revisions going on, working my way through before I go to, like, the next major ones. So my quote, major ones, probably around six.
Renita Hora
Wow.
Candice Egan
But there's lots of smaller ones that happened in there along the way all the time. Probably more work than just what you'd think of as six, but yeah.
Renita Hora
And the story, I mean, what do you think made it hit the mark? I mean, not your mark, but the mark for others reading it and these fellowships residencies and so forth. Is it because it's so out there different, perhaps a little outlandish compared to the run of the mill stories that you see or because it's really interesting.
Candice Egan
Yeah.
I have had the opportunity to have a couple situations where I'm working with a mentor. So then you get a sense, I mean, they're talking to you about it a little bit more. One of my mentors just loved it so much and laughed and she rereads it and she laughs again and she just enjoys it so much. I think the world is, it's unexpected. Right. While we know about tennis, the idea of this playing in a community college, older players putting a woman in a situation, a mature woman in a situation, feels a bit unique. But it's not so unique that people have no clue. I mean most people have some idea about tennis. Right. So that's a hard question. Right. Because you don't 100 know what help, what's behind other people's reactions. But I do get positive feedback even a couple times where it hasn't gone on. I've gotten a couple where they sent a blurb from the, the reader who liked it. So generally the concept, people enjoy the concept. So I think that's where the potential is.
Renita Hora
Super. All right, Candace, Well, I cannot wait to hear your piece. It's an excerpt from your screenplay. You've already audio Fight it. But before we transition into that, let us know where we can find more of your work or anything that you would like to tell us.
Candice Egan
Well, I have a website, candacegan.com I probably need to do another update, but I do have stuff about the different, you know, log lines of my different scripts. When this is done, I'll put a link to the podcast. So there's screenwriting information there and then there's information about the other things I do because I also have a documentary that I've submitted to festivals and I've actually got a couple festivals where my screenplay is getting accepted and the documentaries. So it's like kind of like way far apart from each other. But I still love creating videos, documentaries, doing that stuff. So it's not like I, I, I like doing both so well. Why the heck that's what I see my future.
Renita Hora
You are a multi talented woman and enviable beyond measure. Candice, thank you so much for joining us today on the True Fiction project.
Candice Egan
Thank you, Renita. It was tons of fun.
Renita Hora
So much fun. That's Candice Egan. She is a professor of film and media arts at Fresno State University and screenwriter of amongst other things, Second Set. And I'm your host Renita Hora as.
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And now to the premise of the True Fiction Project, which of course is to create fiction out of NonFiction.
Candice Egan
A sweeping do of a small community college nestled among citrus groves near the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California.
Farmers take their citrus seriously around here. Down the road is Lemon Cove. The other direction is Orange Cove.
In running shorts in a worn tank with a tennis backpack over her shoulders, Lena, 55, jogs down the sidewalk. A train's air horn blares and a diesel locomotive rumbles. Lena jerks to a stop and glares at the orange refrigerated boxcars that roll by. Happy kumquat fruit painted on their sides.
Jesus. The tracks still run through campus.
The train rolls along the tracks that separate the athletic fields from the campus. The view changes to a flashback from 37 years ago. The shining new boxcars go by, revealing the tennis courts on court. Young Lena, 18, her back to us, rallies near the net with her best friend, Young Marsha, also 18. Young Lena's loose fitting tank top almost covers her shorts while Marsha is stylish in a white tennis dress.
I had dreams of being Chris Evarts. I had a scholarship to play for the local college.
Young Lena turns and reveals she is very pregnant.
Oh yes, you can play tennis pregnant. But once the baby comes, no surprise. It changes everything back to the present.
Lena shakes her head, steps across the train tracks and gazes up at the now very tall pine trees that dwarf the court courts.
Crap.
Now I feel old.
Tennis balls thwack against rackets. Shoes squeak. Players grunt and yell. Lena stops outside the tennis court fence and watches her old friend Marcia 55. Steal a tennis fashionista in neon. Nike on Court. Teresa, 55, Lena's former high school teammate and now a taskmaster coach, conducts a clinic for a group of older tennis players. Feet sidestep, run and zigzag as tennis balls whiz by. Marcia notices Lena and jogs up to the fence.
Come on in. We've only been warming up. Still almost 90 minutes left.
About time. Lena. Get your ass on the court.
It's several minutes later and Teresa runs the players through a volley and overhead drill. She feeds a short ball to Lena, who scrambles to get to it.
It hit the net with your racket.
I hate this drill.
Ball up.
Irritated, Lena stares down the ball. In her mind, it's the size of a grapefruit.
Take this.
The ball sizzles toward Teresa, who bats it away with her racket.
Okay, that's the Lena I remember.
The court gate clanged, then Elaine, 68, drops her tennis bag and pulls out a racket. Warming up, she jogs, swings her arms and high steps.
You're late, Elaine.
Elaine bounces in place, then does a deep squat. Leah gapes. Theresa looks at her watch and grins evilly.
15 drop.
Elaine drops to the ground and quickly does push ups. Lena slithers behind Marshall.
I see you, Lena. You're gonna pass today, but be late again.
Elaine does one more push up, then springs upright.
Ignore her. Think she's a bulldog, but she's really a chihuahua. Hey, I heard that, Dr. Lane.
This is part of my training regimen for the Senior Olympics. Wait, did you know there's an Olympics for seniors? Did you? Everybody, this is Lena. She just moved back to town after divorcing her lying, cheating, two timing husband. Marcia, pmi. Oh, sorry. Two timing is redundant. Cheating is enough.
Well, oh, bad enough.
But Marcia?
Come on, Lena. You know she's right.
Anywho, Lena, this is everyone.
Okay, people breaks over coach.
Teresa feeds a ball. Marsha hits a ball to Elaine, who sends it back to Lena. The players amp up the pace with jumps and lurches.
Time for a drink.
In the middle of campus is a kquats pub. Inside it has lots of neon signage, faux leather booths and beer stained tables. Two students play a vigorous game of air hockey. Several other students sit at a long wooden bar where Marsha and Elaine placed her order. Lena and Teresa grab a booth in the crowded room.
I don't remember this.
Did you think we were frozen in time?
Maybe.
Elaine sets four glass tumblers on the table and then steps aside to reveal Marcia, who carries a skateboard this is a special skateboard that holds a flight of four beer glasses, a bowl of chips and a small bottle bucket of peanuts.
What the.
Marsha rolls the skateboard to the center of the table.
Sounds Glasses of beer on a skateboard at a college? Well, I guess a skateboard sort of makes sense, but. Beer? Welcome to the Cakewat Pub. This is the skateboard beer tasting flight.
Elaine lines up the four empty glasses. Marcia pull pours a sample of the first beer into each glass.
This is Quats of Kquats Pale ale. Wow, this is good. How's this possible?
Wow.
They add kumquats right before the fermenting phase. I mean a pub on campus. You know how it goes. A dog donor bequeath their brewery property with the stipulation the college add the craft beer. Brewery major. Did you know having bars on college campuses is a thing? Am I the only one who's shocked?
It's a bit later and Marcia pours more beer into each glass.
How long has it been since you were last here? Since the fall after high school.
Renita Hora
Whoa.
Candice Egan
A long time.
She had a scholarship to play on the team. You could have made it work.
I was pregnant. I quit college, got married, moved away and got divorced. And now she's back. Isn't that great?
Lena, Elaine and Teresa all stare at Marsha.
Not the divorced part. Well, it's not too late to go back to college or play tennis. I'm too old. That's for young people. I'm 68.
How old are you?
55. I didn't even start playing tennis until I was 50.
And now Doc's internationally ranked in a 65 year old and representing the US at the senior Olympics.
Wow. Wait, should you be drinking beer? It's got B vitamins and other nutrients, fights inflammation.
There's at least one study that touts.
Beer as a recovery drink.
She's a doctor, so she knows these things.
Yep, and it tastes way better than Gatorade.
In comes Gloria, 58, the striving and egocentric athletic director. O and? And she's Lena's ex sister in law.
Ladies, great to see you.
Dr. Delgado, athletic director.
Gloria, I heard you recruited a hotshot player from the Kumquat High. Raging Kumflux.
Gloria glares at Lena.
She's coming to try out tomorrow.
Good. Make sure she likes it here.
Gloria punches her fist into her open hand.
I. I need women's tennis to step up so I can cinch the national team Sports Athletic Cup. The nutsack. This is my year to win it.
Gloria strides off.
Did she say nutsack?
Foreign.
Renita Hora
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True Fiction Project – Season 5, Episode 8: "Second Set"
Host: Renita Hora
Guest: Candice Egan, Professor of Film and Media Arts at Fresno State University and Acclaimed Screenwriter
In the eighth episode of Season 5 of True Fiction Project, host Renita Hora welcomes Candice Egan, a distinguished professor and screenwriter known for her compelling female-driven narratives. The episode delves into Candice’s creative process, her commitment to diversifying female characters in film and television, and her latest screenplay, "Second Set."
Renita Hora opens the conversation by expressing deep admiration for Candice Egan, highlighting her multifaceted role as an educator and storyteller. [02:04] Renita states:
"Candice, you've done so much as an educator, as a storyteller, and you are continuing to do a variety of things. You're focused on female driven stories, horror stories."
Candice shares her passion for writing scripts that center on strong female characters, aiming to break the long-standing male-centric narratives in film. [03:10] she explains:
"I try to actually look at, well, how can I have some female characters that take on these stronger points and do interesting fun things?"
Candice emphasizes the importance of creating diverse and multidimensional female roles beyond traditional stereotypes such as the mother, wife, or the antagonist. [04:41] she remarks:
"I'm looking for finding different kinds of characters and doing different things with the women."
She aspires to portray women who are vibrant, active, and engaged in exciting endeavors, regardless of age. [05:34] Candice notes:
"Life doesn't end just because you're retired."
Despite initially not intending to write comedy, Candice finds that humorous elements naturally emerge in her scripts. [08:08] she shares:
"I didn't think I was gonna do comedy and yet I've had several scripts where there are moments of comedy."
Candice discusses her approach to genre, advocating for flexibility and following the story's needs rather than adhering strictly to a single genre. [10:49] she advises:
"Go with what fits the idea... the output is probably going to be better if it's speaking to what's exciting you at the moment."
Candice highlights her recent successes, including receiving a fellowship from Stowe and having her screenplay shortlisted for the Women's Comedy Film Festival. [06:58] she enthusiastically shares:
"So it was kind of an exciting, you know, because you enter all these things and sometimes it's like, thank you. We had lots of entries. Good luck. Keep it up."
Renita Hora transitions the discussion to Candice’s screenplay, "Second Set," a story about mature women returning to college to play tennis. [14:07] Candice elaborates on the inspiration behind the script:
"Second chance is like, you know, the second set is a twist on getting a second chance to do something you would never expect."
The screenplay features Lena, a 55-year-old former tennis player who reenters the sport later in life, navigating familial tensions and personal growth. [16:32] Candice explains:
"The head of the whole athletic division is the ex sister in law... there's some secrets that she's trying to protect that would evolve later."
Candice discusses how her personal experiences and observations in the educational and tennis worlds informed the development of "Second Set." [16:32] she shares:
"I'm pulling from things I've seen and with ideas along that line too. So I really know the world and I know the tennis world."
This authenticity lends depth to the characters, particularly the protagonist Lena, who grapples with balancing her passion for tennis with her responsibilities as a professor and single mother. [27:05] Lena's character reveals:
"I had a scholarship to play for the local college... I was pregnant. I quit college, got married, moved away and got divorced."
Candice outlines the rigorous process of rewriting and refining her screenplay, emphasizing mentorship and peer feedback. [20:05] she reflects:
"There were lots of little revisions going on, working my way through before I go to, like, the next major ones. So my major ones, probably around six."
This iterative process ensured that "Second Set" evolved into a well-rounded and engaging narrative.
The unique premise of older women returning to competitive sports garnered positive feedback from mentors and audiences alike. [22:02] Candice attributes the script’s success to its unexpected yet relatable concept:
"The world is, it's unexpected... the idea of this playing in a community college, older players putting a woman in a situation, feels a bit unique."
Following the interview, True Fiction Project presents an excerpt from Candice Egan’s screenplay "Second Set." This audio fiction segment immerses listeners in Lena’s world as she navigates the challenges of returning to college tennis, interspersed with flashbacks to her past and interactions with other mature athletes.
Notable Excerpts:
Lena’s Determination:
Lena jerks to a stop and glares at the orange refrigerated boxcars that roll by. [26:10]
"Jesus. The tracks still run through campus."
Introducing Conflict:
Marcia introduces Lena to the group.
"Lena, Elaine and Teresa all stare at Marsha."
Humorous Elements:
Gloria’s outburst showcases dark comedy.
"I need women's tennis to step up so I can cinch the national team Sports Athletic Cup. The nutsack. This is my year to win it." [33:55]
Before concluding, Renita Hora invites listeners to connect with Candice and learn more about her work through her website, candacegan.com. Candice also mentions her involvement in documentaries and other screenplays, highlighting her versatility as a creator. [23:23] she states:
"I also have a documentary that I've submitted to festivals and I've actually got a couple festivals where my screenplay is getting accepted."
Renita commends Candice’s multifaceted talents and thanks her for her contributions to the True Fiction Project. [24:04]
Listeners interested in Candice Egan’s work can visit her website at candacegan.com for updates on her scripts and other creative projects. Additionally, subscribing to the True Fiction Project newsletter on Substack provides access to exclusive content, including video versions of episodes.
Key Takeaways:
Commitment to Diverse Female Narratives: Candice Egan is dedicated to creating rich, multidimensional female characters that break traditional stereotypes across various genres.
Genre Flexibility Enhances Storytelling: Embracing multiple genres allows for more authentic and engaging narratives, as evidenced by the seamless integration of comedy into her scripts.
Rigorous Creative Process: Through extensive revisions and mentorship, Candice ensures that her screenplays are polished and impactful.
"Second Set" – A Unique Narrative: The screenplay offers a fresh perspective on mature women pursuing athletic dreams, blending humor, drama, and personal growth.
Notable Quotes:
Candice Egan on Female-Driven Scripts:
"I try to actually look at, well, how can I have some female characters that take on these stronger points and do interesting fun things." [03:10]
On Genre Flexibility:
"Go with what fits the idea... the output is probably going to be better if it's speaking to what's exciting you at the moment." [10:49]
On the Success of "Second Set":
"The idea of this playing in a community college, older players putting a woman in a situation, feels a bit unique." [22:02]
True Fiction Project continues to bridge the gap between nonfiction interviews and scripted fiction, showcasing the transformative power of real-life experiences in storytelling.