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Armand Rosamillia
It starts with a what if for me, I go to Walmart, go walk around Walmart and look at people. A lot of the times there's the characters right there. My wife loves to people watch. We go to the beach, we just sit on a bench and we just listen to people. And she's like, tell me about this person. And I just make up a story about the person right there as we're just sitting there. And my wife is my first reader. She goes through with a red pen anything I write and she beats the crap out of it. Welcome to the True Fiction Project, a podcast series that explores the origins of fiction. Every week we begin with an interview nonfiction, followed by a creative piece, fiction inspired by something from the interview. The idea is to demonstrate, of course, that fiction is born out of our life experiences. Now, here's your host, storyteller, author, public speaker, health and wellness expert, Renita Hora.
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Renita Hora
Welcome to the True Fiction Project. I am your host, Renita Ahora, and I have with me today Armand Rosamillia. He is a New Jersey boy currently living in sunny Florida. Lucky him. He says that he is happily married to a woman who helps his career and is very supportive and that's all he ever wanted in life. Armand is a prolific writer. He's written over 200 stories that are currently available in a variety of genres, including crime thrillers, supernatural thrillers, horror, zombies, contemporary fiction, nonfiction. He loves to talk in third person because he says that's really cool. So without further ado, let's say hello to Armand. Hello Armand. Welcome to the True Fiction Project.
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Armand Rosamillia
How are you doing? Thank you, thank you.
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Renita Hora
I'm doing pretty well, thank you. How about you?
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Armand Rosamillia
I am doing well. It is about a thousand degrees here in Florida right now, and I'm just waiting for the afternoon thunderstorm to come through.
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Renita Hora
Okay, does that help or hurt the writing? Because I don't see that you have a moment to stop. Come rain or waters, it helps.
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Armand Rosamillia
I've learned to keep the offline on, so even if I lose, I have battery backup on my laptop and all my monitors and everything. I've learned to write straight through it, which is good.
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Renita Hora
Fantastic. So I mean, I did, you know, say that you write in a variety of genres, which sort of as clear from what I've read in your bio. But do you veer towards crime, thriller, horror?
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Armand Rosamillia
The last couple years it's mostly been crime thriller stuff, but I still have contracts for a bunch of different horror novellas and novels. So as I'm finishing those up, I can check those off my board and, and try not to add any more. And that's always been my problem of having like 20 or 30 different, you know, stories up and ready to go. And so I, I'm really making an effort in the last year or so to just write the stuff that's selling. Horror sells and I'm a full time author. I've been full time for 13 years, able to make a living off my writing. But the crime thriller, honestly it's, it, I make about 10 times the amount of money that I do on anything else. And that's what I've basically been writing. You know, crime thriller series is kind of my bread and butter.
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Renita Hora
Hmm. I have so many questions. Okay. Why does horror sell? And if horror sells, why is crime and crime thrillers, why are crime thrillers your bread and butter?
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Armand Rosamillia
The horror sells, but it's not a huge market. You know, there's, there's romance is on top. Romance outsells everything. Thrillers is below that. And if you go down about, you know, 15 places, you have horror. So while it's a great rabid fan base, there's not a huge fan base. So people, people will buy my stuff. But that kind of hit the ceiling on adding a lot of new readers over the years. And so I know I have my first, you know, I put out a horror book and I know I'm going to get X number of pre orders on those books and X numbers of sales in that first week and whatnot. And I've learned that the crime thriller stuff is literally like 10 times the amount on there. And I just like writing it. You know, I'm not going to start writing romance because I want to make, you know, millions of dollars. But as a full time writer who has to make a living doing this, you got to look at it. And it's a business, you know, it'd be great to write stuff that doesn't really sell but you love. And I've done a ton of different things like that, written stories just to get them out of my head. And they never made any money, which I knew they weren't going to. But I've kind of found my voice over the last few years and I've. I found my readership who a lot of them will read the horror stuff, but they're all reading the crime thriller stuff.
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Renita Hora
So it is really great, by the way, to hear you, an author, say that you write, you write full time, you make a living off of your writing. I have to ask you about that because I don't hear that from everyone. And you know, I'm always constantly exploring myself as an author myself. So when. How did you discover that you could make a full time living being a writer and you publish under your own imprint, Is that right?
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Armand Rosamillia
Yeah. So I'm a hybrid. So a lot of the stuff, Rimfire Books is me. And then I also work with a lot of different small presses and bigger presses. So a lot of the times I use the small presses, whereas, you know, they take a bigger cut, but then they also take care of the covers and the formatting and the editing and they pay for all that stuff. And then the goal is to get their loyal fans to bring it and they start reading my backlist. And that's really helped me over the years to get brand new readers. And anytime I work with a new publisher, even if it's a short story in an anthology, the goal is I'm kind of handing them a business card with a short story. And my goal is also to have a short story. All my short stories tie into some, some of my series. So hey, if you really like this crime thriller story, well, guess what? This character is from the first coast thriller series. This is from the Dirty Deeds series. And that always brings people in that they start buying. So Maybe I've made $50 on a short story from a publisher, but realistically now I can make $100 off of that reader if they like enough because they're reading all of the various series from it.
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Renita Hora
So where are the short stories being published? In different anthologies.
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Armand Rosamillia
I have probably five or six every year that will come out. I got a couple that are should be coming out at some point this year. I have, I think, five or six right now that are with publishers. I'm waiting for a yes or a no on. So I'M always writing and I enjoy writing short stories, especially when you're writing a crime thriller book. The sweet spot, they say 63,000 words. I'm hitting those marks. But then it's a lot easier to write a 5,000 word short story in between those. And I also like to introduce new characters. There's another series that will be out and I've already written a couple of short stories with the main character in it. And for me it's just kind of okay, I can kind of figure out who this character is instead of doing it in 5,000 words. Instead of doing it in 63,000 words.
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Renita Hora
Right.
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Armand Rosamillia
And also those stories will go on to my Patreon page. So people will get to read the characters beforehand. And if they like it when the book comes out, then they'll already have an idea of the character. And also, then that story also likely goes into my newsletter as a reader magnet when that series comes out as well.
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Renita Hora
So this is interesting. The short story is almost a test case for the book in a sense, right?
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Armand Rosamillia
Yeah. It's to see if I get feedback, especially on Patreon, if I hand them a brand new short story. So once a month I do. On Patreon, I do a brand new short story that nobody's reading. And usually it's going to be one of these characters or even a minor character, a cameo character, whatever, but it's going to tie into one of my theories. And so basically then I get feedback from the Patreon group and they say, oh, I can't wait for this character or tell me more about this character. Those kind of things. And that for me, and I have a couple that really go really deep with that, which is great. And they'll say what they liked and didn't like about the story or the character, or they want to read more about this one minor thing that I mentioned in the story. Right.
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Renita Hora
You know, so I'm trying to understand this. Let's say a book such as Shakedown, which you will hear more from a little bit later, is a story in and unto itself, obviously. Beginning, middle, end, plot, whatever. It's got a certain set of characters. Your 5,000 word short story that you will release on Patreon, what is that? It features a character from Shakedown, but is that also a story with a beginning, middle and end? Or is it a character sketch or is it an incident?
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Armand Rosamillia
It's a full story. So the main character in Shakedown is Clayton Conway.
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Renita Hora
Okay.
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Armand Rosamillia
And the short story, which is actually my reader, Maggot, if You sign up for my newsletter and you'll get the free short story. It's called Another Rainy Night. And it was the first thing I wrote with the character. He's an ex cop who was thrown off the force for gambling and he's now a repo man. And I introduced the bar that he lives above in Jacksonville Beach, Florida. And there's problems downstairs at the bar, basically. And he goes down and has an altercation, more or less. And it's more of a standalone little thing. And again, for me it was, who is this character? Let me write a story in 3 and 4 and 5,000 words. And that became my reader magnet. So when the books were released then people had already read the couple months before, they'd already read about that character. And so I try to do that as much as possible to introduce you to some of the new characters. And all of these series are all tied together. It's all in the same world.
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Renita Hora
Right.
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Armand Rosamillia
So there's a character from this series from Shakedown from the first coast trailer series, and there's a character from my Dirty Deed series. And the two of them teamed up for my next series, which is down and Dirty. And so I kind of put the two worlds together.
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Renita Hora
Very, very interesting, Armand. Oh, my gosh. But. So the 5,000 word story is not necessarily a subset of Shakedown. It's related, but it's not a subset.
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Armand Rosamillia
I would read it. Right. You don't need to read that story first. It's just kind of like a bonus if you really dig the characters. Like, my Dirty Deed series came out, started in 2016. It's 12 books and it was finished and. But a lot of the side characters have been written into short stories over the last, you know, eight, seven or eight years. So you don't have to read all those stories. But it's fun for readers to try to find those stories. Like, I put them in my short story collection I put out every year, and then they'll be in other, you know, anthologies are different places.
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Renita Hora
Right. And that short story will be a separate adventure about that character, which I won't find in the main book.
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Armand Rosamillia
Right, right. It's not part of the main series at all. It's either a before or an after or a side quest kind of thing for that character.
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Renita Hora
So it sounds like a lot of work. And from what I'm hearing is that I can get that for free if I sign up for your newsletter or I can get it for free on Patreon or not for free Patreon.
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Armand Rosamillia
There Are there are levels. So at the, at the dollar level on Patreon, I'm writing a book right now and it's a chapter a month and it's a post apocalyptic that ties into my vaguely ties into my zombie series. And then at the $5 level you get that story plus you get a short story every month and which is going to tie into usually some of my books. At the $10 level, there's another book that I'm writing and that is a prequel to my zombie series which people have been begging me for five, six years to do. And I'm doing it on Patreon at that level. And then at the $20 level you get everything else plus you get a signed book every month because I'm luckily prolific and I have a ton of, you know, you can choose from 80 or 90 print books that I have in my house right now.
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Renita Hora
Amazing.
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Armand Rosamillia
So Patreon, I do really well with that. And then if you want like the short story that ties into Shakedown, that's just go to Armandros Amelia.com and then just sign up for my newsletter. And then every once a month around the 15th of every month, I tell you all the new, all the thriller stuff that's coming out, what I'm writing, you know, all the various things and you get that short story for free.
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Renita Hora
Amazing. Amazing. Oh my gosh. So much hard work, so much writing, so prolific and so inspirational. That's just a lot of sos. Okay, so tell us about the first coast thriller series because Shakedown is part one and I know that you're gonna read from this soon. What is your real life inspiration for this or for what you're gonna read us?
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Armand Rosamillia
I like to have characters that aren't superheroes. I like to have characters that aren't ex military and they know how to strip a gun in eight seconds and blah blah, blah. And I like characters with weaknesses, like people with faults. And we were actually at a. My wife likes to. We love to go to Biloxi to gamble and my wife loved. She plays the slots and she plays like all night and she brings like a hundred dollars with her song. It's just basically it's the fun of sitting there all night and she listens to an audiobook and the meantime I'm in the comped room and I go to the comp buffet and ev. For free. We stay there for free. And I'm, I'm in my. In the room writing usually most of the night.
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Renita Hora
Yeah.
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Armand Rosamillia
And it just was like, oh, a character with A gambling problem. And that was the start of it. You know, what if I wrote a character with a gambling problem? I decided what would be a real a good occupation to screw you up. And I was like, what if he was a cop? And it just kind of went from there. And then a buddy of mine had just become a cop, and he had worked for a repo company. He had been a repo man for years. So I picked his brain. I said, what if this cop who got kicked off the force for gambling, and now his wife's divorcing him, his daughter hates him because you've ruined their great life and he becomes a repo man. But the other guys have been in the repo company, have been doing it for a long time. So there's butting heads there a little bit.
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Renita Hora
Right?
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Armand Rosamillia
And so that was basically the idea for the character and that world and everything.
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Renita Hora
And is that how it goes, Armand? You put yourself in real life scenario and then you posit a lot of. You put together a lot of what if questions and say, what if, what if, what if? And the story evolves out of that. Is that how it goes?
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Armand Rosamillia
It starts with a what if. For me, I always let people go, where do you get your ideas? Which I think is an awful question, but where do you get your ideas? I said, I go to Walmart, go walk around Walmart and look at people and listen to their crazy conversations. Eve's true, because, yeah, a lot of the times there's the characters right there. And for me, it's listening in on every conversation. My wife loves to people watch. We'll go somewhere and we just sit. We'll go to the beach. We just sit on a bench and we just. Just listen to people. And she's like, tell me about this person. And I just make up a story about the person right there as we're just sitting there. And I used to write it when I was younger. I used to write everything down. Every idea was brilliant, and I had pads and everything. And now I'm like, you know, what if an idea is good? It'll stay with me.
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Renita Hora
It'll stay good for you.
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Armand Rosamillia
It'll be in there somewhere. And that's kind of the thing I'll be writing. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, an idea or a conversation from months ago will pop back into my head. And then I add it to the book. And my wife is my first reader. She goes through with a red pen anything I write, and she beats the crap out of it. And she laughs sometimes And I'm like, what? She's like, I remember this conversation we had when we went to whatever restaurant or whatever. So it's always funny because a lot of real life stuff, a lot of real life people are in the store in effect. So Clayton, the main character's name, Clayton Conway. And Clayton was the name of her grandfather and Conway is the name of her other grandfather. So when I put the two together and then, you know, the characters, they call him Clay. He hates to be called Clay. He says, my name is Clayton. And it's kind of the running joke for all six books in the series of the other repo guys always call him Clay and then he always corrects them. And so just like little things like that, that because I'm not an outliner at all, it's all in my head. So as I'm writing, I'm just writing and, you know, you kind of keep it together. And I've been doing this for 30 something years. So I know Act 1, Act 2, Act 3. I know in my head where it is. I know we're doing 63,000 words. So by 20,000 words, I need to. Something needs to hit here, you know, here's our introduction to the characters. Now let's get serious through this second act and then let's wrap it up in that third act. And that even goes with a 5,000 word short story. You get the beats of the story and you just know it in your head. And that's pretty much how I'm writing this stuff. So a lot of people are like, wow, that outline was how many pages was this outline? I'm like, no pages. It's all in my head. I've had to write stuff in the past. I've written for companies where they want an outline first. And I hate it because so I wrote the story. So now I don't want to write this. So I've written it already. You know, as a writer, I'm also a reader. I want to know where the story is going. I have no idea where this book is going to end up. And that's the fun of writing that next chapter and that next chapter.
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Renita Hora
But are you thinking about a beat as a certain number of words or a beat as a chapter or something like that?
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Armand Rosamillia
A beat as a situation.
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Renita Hora
A situation.
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Armand Rosamillia
I haven't killed anybody in a while. I need to have that coming up somewhere. Or this character needs to figure out who is the killer. Or those types of.
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Renita Hora
Yeah, plot points, those kind of moments, situations.
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Armand Rosamillia
The big stuff that's going to Propel your story to the end. I mean, I'm. I'm writing the second down and dirty book now, and I think I'm on chapter 45 of 50 chapters.
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Renita Hora
Okay.
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Armand Rosamillia
And I finally kind of figured out how it's going to end. I'm literally like 10,000 words or less from the end of this book. And I had no idea who was going to live, who was going to die, who was going to do anything. And so that's. Oh, it's also the fun of. It's like I'm reading. I'm sitting here reading the book.
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Renita Hora
Yep, absolutely. I think that is so important. You got to be the reader while you are the writer. Because otherwise, you know, how do you know what's going to resonate with the audience if you are not the audience also yourself?
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Armand Rosamillia
You write books that you want to read. I read that a long time ago. I read that when I was still in high school, you know, some book. And basically they said, write the story that you want to read and is not out there yet.
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Renita Hora
Absolutely. Well, I want to read Shakedown, but I want you to read Shakedown. Before you do that, though, could you please let our listeners know where we can find your work, whether that's your website, social media, anything you want to tell us.
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Armand Rosamillia
So armanrosamilia.com that's where you can find all of my stuff. And also sign up for my newsletter if you like Thriller books. I write live on Twitch three afternoons a week, at least. Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 1:00pm Eastern Standard Time. So you can literally come into Twitch. It's not just for gaming. And I'm. You see my pretty face. And we have conversations and there's a dozen people in the chat room and we'll talk about the most random things. I'm a. A child of the heavy metal 80s stuff. So we had a couple people that will throw in obscure bands and I'll tell you everything about this band or we'll talk about TV shows, you know, different things that I'm watching right now and who's watched it. And we just have these conversations. And then a lot of times I'm supposed to be writing, but I'm not even writing. But that's what I'm doing. I'm writing in there. And the small little part of the screen is what I'm actually writing. I'm writing chapters of books. I'm writing pages of short stories. I'm writing different things. And it's great for me because there's days when I don't want to write. I don't want to get out. And that's like, well, I got to get up because at one o' clock I have to sit down, I have to write something. And then it's the being able to talk to people, which is really cool. So we get new people and all the time and they're like, are you a writer? Is this chatting? I'm like, yes, it's all of all of the above.
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Renita Hora
Mm.
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Armand Rosamillia
Those are my two main ones. And obviously everything, most everything I have out is on. You're going to find me on Amazon.
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Renita Hora
Okay.
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Armand Rosamillia
That's probably the best place if you want to see all of my work is going to be on Amazon.
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Renita Hora
Amazon. All right. Well, Armand, I cannot wait to hear what you're going to read from Shakedown. And thank you for joining us today on the True Fiction Project.
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Armand Rosamillia
I appreciate you having me on.
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Renita Hora
That was Armand Rosamillia. He is the writer of his novel Shakedown, which is the first in the first coast thriller series. This is the True Fiction Project and I am your host, Rinita Hora.
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Renita Hora
And now to the premise of the True Fiction Project, which of course is to create fiction out of nonfiction.
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Armand Rosamillia
Walt knew he was in trouble as soon as the door slammed open. He put his hand up to ward off the deadly rays of the sunlight behind the figure in his doorway. Get up. The unmistakable voice of his boss. As soon as he stepped inside, Walt saw he wasn't alone. It was Tommy, who he'd closed the bar with last night. Good old dependable Tommy, who Walt had known since they were kids. Walt sat up on the couch and looked for his pants on the floor, but couldn't find him. He must have passed out on the couch instead of crawling to his bed last night. It was all a blur. Can we shut the door and put on a light. It's too bright and it's really hot. After a second of failing to find where he tossed his clothes last night, he gave up. He reached for his smokes, but his boss shook his head. They still hadn't closed the door. Walt closed his eyes and yawned. He was trying to act casual, as if nothing was wrong. Hell, he didn't even know what was wrong. It hit him a second before he saw the boss give a nod to Tommy, who frowned but put his hand on his waistband an inch from his weapon. Six of the cigarette boats were repossessed last night, the boss said quietly. The man never yelled, even when something importantly tragic had occurred behind his back. The crew called him Jake the Snake, after the famous wrestler who never screamed and shouted when doing a promo before a match. Calm, cool, and collected like a snake. Walt nodded. That was the plan. The half dozen speedboats were registered to a fictitious name, and they'd been useful for the past few weeks. But rumor had it one of them had been spotted by the Coast Guard, so now they weren't worth the headache of wondering when they'd be confiscated. The boss thought up a novel idea. Buy used boats up and down the Southeast using offshore bank accounts, laundering the money as they did it. Then never make a payment and have the boat repoed with dozens of boats purchased each month and used to haul their product. The paperwork alone, trying to find the purchaser, tied up the system. One of the crew, Mort, had questioned the approach not too long ago. Walt thought he was either high or drunk or likely both. Why not buy the boats outright and launder more money? Then we torch the boats offshore and move on. No fingerprints, no problems, no way for them to be traced. Mort was gone the next day. No one questioned the boss about the boats again. I entrusted you to wipe down the boats and make sure there was nothing left, the boss said. Walt nodded his head. I did it just like you said. Nabby was really uncomfortable. Had he finished the job before he'd gone out with Tommy? Last night was a bit of a blur. He remembered a hooker or maybe someone's sister stopping by. Was that last night? Walt shook his head. He started to stand, but the boss put a hand out to keep him on the couch. Do you know what happens when you mess up? It makes all of us look bad. Especially me. Do you know why? The boss smiled, but it wasn't pleasant. Because you put everyone in jeopardy? Walt asked. He thought he should know the answer to the question, but his head was jumbled with so many thoughts. The boss stared at Walt for an uncomfortable minute until Walt looked down at his feet. I did what you asked. I wiped out all the boats and left them where you told me to leave them. Walt knew he'd forgotten something, then handed over, the boss said. Walt looked confused. What? The boss put his hand out. The £50 missing. What? Walt was sweating. The sunlight was still drilling into his brain and when he moved to put Tommy between him and the sun, Tommy sighed and stepped off to the side. Walt noticed his buddy had his weapon out now too. They're all marked so I know what boat and where they were located inside the boat, the boss said. He shook his head. To Walt, it looked like the boss was disappointed. You never wanted that 50 pounds wrapped. $10 million stashed under the cockpit saw. Walt stood up. Wait. What? If you'd been counting the packages like you're supposed to, you would have known that there was an extra package in one of the boats. This was a special request from a very important person who looks the other way when our boats come into this area. It was your responsibility to make sure it wasn't left carelessly. You're on the hook. The boss glanced at Tommy. I knew you hadn't found an extra bundle because you would have told Tommy last night. I'm really sorry, boss. I swear it was an oversight. Give me another chance, walt said. The boss shook his head. This isn't the first time you've been sloppy. I've given you enough chances. More than your three allotted strikes too. While you and Tommy were out drinking, I lost millions of dollars on my watch. How does that make me look to my balls? Who I have to answer to? Not good. Walt sat back down on the couch. I'll find the boat. It has to be stored somewhere local. The boss chuckled. Not to worry. I have all that figured out. No longer your problem, Walt. Walt smiled, thinking he'd get a second chance. The package was either already found or the boss knew where it was. No harm, no foul. The smile faded when Tommy stepped forward and Walt was looking down the barrel of a gun. I don't suppose I can say anything to change your mind, boss? Walt asked. He knew this was the end. He knew he had two options. Smile on the face of death and lean into it with no regrets. Or beg for mercy. And Karla Kaby. Walt chose to cry like a baby. I'll do whatever you want. I swear. No more screw ups. I'll clean toilets. I'll kill for you free of charge. I'll take out the garbage. Anything, boss. Anything. You're going to be a lesson to the rest of the crew, the boss said. I have to answer to a higher authority wall. I need to make sure this North Florida area is running smoothly without incident. Do you think I like giving the boats over to the authorities? No. If it was up to me, we'd burn them all to the water line. But the boss shrugged. I do what needs to be done. No questions, no deviations. No part of the job can be sloppy or missed. I can change. I screwed up, but I work even harder, walt said. The boss shook his head. I wish I could believe you. Even if I could, your fate is out of my hands, Walt. You did this to yourself. As the boss left and shut the door behind him, the sunlight was gone. Walt could see see his friend Tommy as he pulled the trick.
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Renita Hora
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